Atlanta Opinion

By DavidU

March 23, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

Truth….

By kimberly

March 23, 2006 07:56 PM | Link to this

Let’s finally DO something about the dreadful state of education in Georgia. Our kids deserve better than this. Vote for CATHY COX to be our next governor!

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 08:11 PM | Link to this

Is Cathy Cox for a voucher system that gets our kids out of the hideous government schools?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 23, 2006 08:12 PM | Link to this

So cartoon boy is saying that the teacher’s union has failed our children? That a simple course that consists of the study of one Book will be too much for them?

By Souldrift

March 23, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

No, jackass, he’s saying that if they are doing poorly now, why are we adding a Bible class?

Not to mention why we’re doing that, clear violation of the principle of separation of church and state. We don’t teach civics and physics in church, do we?

Blog and Tan

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

ml probably means to be making fun of a religion class, but all this cartoon does is make fun of basic education like spelling.

Sometimes these moonbats don’t think these things through. What the hell am I saying? They never think these things through.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 23, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

RW: Yea, like Souldrift. These idiots have come to believe that “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” means that they can prohibit the free exercise thereof.

By @@

March 23, 2006 08:39 PM | Link to this

I’m seeing this differently I guess…maybe he’s saying that the kids are doing poorly when it comes to religious faith and spelling.

DavidU: They were picking teams for wrestling. You and Solidad????

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 08:44 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

Wasn’t Hillary just saying something about needing to use religion to write an immigration law? Funny thing this so called separation clause.

By finch

March 23, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this

This cartoon lampoons the state of education in Georgia a lot more than it does anything else. A worthy target.

RW,

Thanks for the heads up on “Earl”. Beats the hell out of basketball. But why did you mention Hillary? You’re cruel! I have a sudden urge to consume mass quantities of Jack…

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 08:58 PM | Link to this

finch,

The basketball is great too. I don’t understand people that don’t watch four or five things at a time, listen to radio show, and log on to a few blogs.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 23, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this

RW: Or like “Reverend” Barry Lynn the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Call me old fashioned but I always thought the role of a Reverend was to spread the Word of the Gospel, not ban, shun and conceal it. It must be some of that “nuance” the libs like to brag about.

@@: Nope, cartoon boy is dissing our children and the public education system, that liberal infested patronage mill, full of overpaid beaurocrats more concerned with their pensions then our children’s well being. When they do get to teaching something it is usually pinko propaganda not unlike that found in Hollywood, not spelling or even reading.

For once I agree with him.

By Local Hero

March 23, 2006 09:12 PM | Link to this

Dear Mister Liberals Suck & Lie - Ya missed the key word there, fella: it’s the FREE exercise thereof. If it’s being forced down students’ throats, it isn’t “free,” is it.

By Mike

March 23, 2006 09:19 PM | Link to this

Good lord! Does Mr Luckovich have any idea that almost all private schools,including religious ones, blow away public schools academically. You left wingers have been in charge of public education for forty years and the results speak for themselves.I think you guys should get out of the way and let someone fix it.Even if it’s the religious right.

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

local hero,

It’s an elective ya donkey’s ass. In other words, you get to *choose.

The only thing being forced down anyone’s throat is…Oh wait, I can’t say it. It might offend Hillary.

By @@

March 23, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

Local Hero:

It’s an elective, that’s far from being forced. It’s more like “free will”.

By getalife

March 23, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

Rumsfeld mentioned me today!

“If you believe everything you read in Maureen Dowd, you’d better get a life,” Rumsfeld said

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Okay, I had to dispose of Local Hero first so I can get to the subject at hand and analyze the cartoon.

I’m thinking….

Hmmmmmm. Maybe ML is saying that people who choose to study the Bible are ignorant, illiterate, right-wing……. Christians?

Damn! If only Hillary lived in Georgia we could be portrayed as uber-educated, Jesus following elites.

By Bob

March 23, 2006 09:29 PM | Link to this

Looks more like “since the legislature took Bible classes out of public schools” to me.

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 09:29 PM | Link to this

WOW - the AJC didn’t ixnay A* this time! Testing testing one two three.

Time to mention finch’s favorite author F*******!

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

As usual, I posted this too late on the already passe’ cartoon, but it is so darn good, I am going to post it again just to promote team spirit

Hat tip to @@ who forced me to look up Janine Turner and led me to the motherlode.

RE,

I hope you’re paying attention.

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Here’s video of Rummy talking about you.

By RE

March 23, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this

I concede completely, the GOP has the hotties. In all fairness though, that is about the best pic of Peggy Noonan I have seen, she is on the same level as Dowd. And Laura is an OK looking woman for her age, but she has a little bit of the helter skelter look around her eyes sometimes.

Oh, and the cartoon. I know it is politicaly expediant to blame govt. schools or teachers unions for the education level in this country, but the real issue is lack of parental involvement. If a kid in 3rd grade cannot read, it is not so much a failure of the schools as it is a failure of the parent. Everyone has heard the expression you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. It is the same with the schools, you can send the kid to school, but you can’t make him learn. lets stop blaming the teachers and start putting responsibility on the students and parents

By getalife

March 23, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this

RW,

I know, I am all over the media.

I think he reads my blog so I left him a message

By RE

March 23, 2006 10:06 PM | Link to this

BD, I kinda like Janine Garofalo as well. She has the crazy dirty sexy girl intellectual thing going on

By finch

March 23, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

A broadcasting exec once told me that an up and coming female journalist who had visions of being the next Jane Pauley had a “face made for radio”.

I have to agree that most liberal pundits who are women share this quality.

By @@

March 23, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this

RE:

I know you were posting to BD, but I think I just lost respect for you. “Janine “Godawfulhoe”??? Say it ain’t so RE, say it ain’t so.

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Yeah, why should teachers be expected to do any actual subject teaching? It’s not like they are always saying they are the professionals and the only ones that should be trusted to do the job. I mean they don’t ever come out and demand an end to home schooling or anything. They would never decide that it was far more important to have each child place their school supplies into a community supply chest than to allow a child to develop a sense of pride.

You whiny parents should just teach your brats to read, write, and do math so that the professionals in the government classroom can spend their time on social engineering.

By RE

March 23, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

RW, someone has been listening to Boortz a little too much

By RE

March 23, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this

@@, I think the guys might understand, there is always that one crazy girl who you know you should stay away from, But…

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this

RE,

This may be a bit boring since I had just prepared a really nice post for you which suddenly disappeared into the ethersphere (I think).

I’ll try to recreate it.

Janine Garafolo? Whatever. (Like, Yuck!)

You may want to invite Donna Shalala and make it a threesome. Instead of playing romantic music you could listen to Al Franken and Al Gore have simultaneous guffaws on Air America.

P.S.

Re ShaNaNa Shalala, Just don’t tell her lover (Ms.Reno) or she might have you arrested for something or other, and put you on the next boat to Cuba.

By Jean

March 23, 2006 10:28 PM | Link to this

TONY, you should write a book about all these fake military guys and their freak generation (s) and habits.

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 10:32 PM | Link to this

You whiny parents should just teach your brats to read, write, and do math so that the professionals in the government classroom can spend their time on social engineering

RW,

I gave the education blog a shot and made the exact same point, but it was not well-received. Indeed a lynching was in progress, so I gave up and left.

Their loss, MLs gain.

By Russ

March 23, 2006 10:34 PM | Link to this

Yep RW. Anything to prevent thinking and developing the mind. You’re certainly living proof of that - your own suggestions. Intellectual constipation.

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

What a scam! The dirty bathtubbers are now promoting eachothers book proposals here. A very dirty trick.

Jean. Tony. Try the customer reviews section at Amazon.com.

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

RE,

I raised two children as a single father from the time they were 6 and 4 until they were adults, I don’t need Boortz or your condescension to familiarize myself with our illustrious government school system.

And don’t worry I know you had no way to check that one in advance.

By RE

March 23, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

Tell me if this comes through jeaninie

By finch

March 23, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

Yeah, it’s all the teachers fault that students aren’t learning. They should be expected… no, REQUIRED to teach respect and responsibility along with the other three R’s. Right.

Too many Moms and Dads take that in loco parentis stuff way too literally.

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Look ^ ^ a new four letter word @ 10:34. Do you it’s the latest addition to the dirty bathwater brigade?

By RE

March 23, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

I listen to Boortz in the morning, very familiar complaints and stories about the schools. Very good for you raising your children, I am sure that they went to school in order to learn because of how you raised them. Home schooling is my first choice for education, followed by private and then public schools, but those possibilities are only open if you have the money and time to afford them. Public schools are also usually the best choice for special needs students, both those who need extra help and those who are gifted, Private schools usually do not have the resources to meet those needs.

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

Yes - RUSS! Definitely a dirty tubber.

There’s also a certain TEST who could be one of them, or could be just an innocent bystander.

They’re going to need a very large tub very soon, or someone could tragically get squished and suffocate. I’d hate to see that headline in the AJC.

By getalife

March 23, 2006 10:54 PM | Link to this

Intellectual constipation

Wow,I will have to use that one.

RE,

Nice lib!

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

RE,

I can’t quite make out the message on her belly. Now you of course can say, “Let me see your etchings” and can get a really close look, but I am not in a position to do that (and I’m not whining, believe me).

Have fun tonight and be sure to tell us tomorrow what it said.

By RE

March 23, 2006 11:00 PM | Link to this

did jeanine come through ok?

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this

RE,

Do you think that you hear very familiar stories because Boortz makes them up or because they are true?

I work at night most of the time so I don’t usually listen to morning radio, but Laura Ingraham (remember her from the other thread?) has the same time slot so I seldom hear Boortz. I do read Nealz Nuze so I could get all my lies from there.

My schooling choices would be the same as yours in order of preference, too bad I didn’t know that when it mattered. It’s also too bad that we pour billions of dollars into a totally failed school system rather than putting those resources into the systems that work.

By RE

March 23, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this

How about a little love for garofolo, see, she is the sexy crazy girl

RW,

It is hard to tell what works and what does not work in schooling, magnet schools were supposed to work, but I could not tell you how they are really doing. Most of the failed schools are from the failed neighborhoods, it is a function of the parenting more than the teachers. Please tell me how you think getting rid of the teachers unions would help a child learn.

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 11:16 PM | Link to this

RE, Scroll up and you will see that the answer is, “Sorta”^^^

finch,

Now that we have put RE and Janine to bed, I can respond to your post about homely liberal pundits:

Pundits? What about politicians? Here’s one for ya

Not to mention Hillary “I follow Jesus” Rodham Whatshername.

By @@

March 23, 2006 11:18 PM | Link to this

RE:

The link came through. I guess you could say that she has that “I don’t bathe myself, so would you do it for me kinda look.” So…….

By RE

March 23, 2006 11:26 PM | Link to this

@@,I envision Michelle Malkin as a $150 dinner, night out at the theater, sipping white wine 6-20 dates to consummation type of gal

Janine is the split a 6 pack, shoot some pool, and she is wearing your shirt the next morning.

I like a 6 pack now and then

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 11:26 PM | Link to this

RE,

I refuse to answer anything else until my snarky “why is Garofolo in a training bra” post comes through.

RE2,

Well I’ll answer anyway. Where did I say that getting rid of teachers unions would help a child learn? I think that might be a good start, but the problems with government education runs far deeper than the unions. Our public school system is a complete and utter failure and the only answer from the left is to pour in more money.

The school systems that are the biggest failures are also the ones with the most money poured into them. Atlanta city schools spend more per student than any surrounding area by far and are horrendous.

By RE

March 23, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this

I see your ugly dem and raise you

By RE

March 23, 2006 11:37 PM | Link to this

RW, take a look at the area the lowest performing schools are in, and you tell me if you think the parental involvement is the same as it in in East Cobb or elsewhere. The governmental solution for any problem is to throw money at it, but the money is not the cause of the problem. I do not see a cause and effect in play here. I grew up in NJ, some of those schools had a huge amount of cash being spent on them, the nice suburb schools had tennis courts, pools, one of them had a polo team. And the kids there in general all did much better than average in testing and went on to college. Now a school in Newark or Camden got just as much money, but that money was spent on metal detectors and security. those schools did not perform as well. Money is not the problem, it is a symptom

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 11:40 PM | Link to this

Sorry to change the subject, but please tell me I’m not paying for this partisan Democrat propaganda campaign with my tax dollars

By finch

March 23, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this

RE,

You beat me to it. The Queens dem provided by Buy Danish is definitely a paper bagger, but Ms. Harris is downright scary!

By RW-(the original)

March 23, 2006 11:46 PM | Link to this

RE,

It is absolutely maddening trying to discuss anything with you.

All you ever do is throw false premises up in each and every post that have to be beaten back in each answer and before you know it the discussion has no resemblance to where it started.

Parenting is a problem, government is not the answer to that and I don’t have the patience for any more of your straw men tonight. So I’m going to leave for awhile and let you put together a whole string of misrepresentations that I will either answer or snicker at later.

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 11:48 PM | Link to this

RE,

Money is a symptom? You just said that all the schools got the same amount of money.

Could it be that liberal social policies have created an epidemic of kids with lousy parent(s)?

And bureaucrats who are constantly experimenting with the latest p.c. curriculum and calendar fad instead of sticking to the basics which work just fine in the private schools?

By RE

March 23, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this

BD, you are not

The Ad Council is a private, non-profit organization that marshals volunteer talent from the advertising and communications industries, the facilities of the media, and the resources of the business and non-profit communities to deliver critical messages to the American public. The Ad Council produces, distributes and promotes thousands of public service campaigns on behalf of non-profit organizations and government agencies in issue areas such as improving the quality of life for children, preventative health, education, community well being, environmental preservation and strengthening families.

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 11:51 PM | Link to this

finch,

Harris is actually a very classy lady - just a wee bit heavy on the makeup.

Ada is a Jerry Springer contestant, so she’s worse.

On that note I’m off to bed.

By finch

March 23, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

The Ad Council is an industry group, and it’s been around for eons. Madison Avenue ad agency and PR types. Your tax dollars aren’t directly at work here, although it is a non-profit (tax exempt) group.

By RE

March 23, 2006 11:54 PM | Link to this

Well he was angry, all I was saying is that Parents should bear more of the responsibility instead of the schools and teachers.

BD, liberal policies have never been needed to have bad parents.

By finch

March 24, 2006 12:00 AM | Link to this

Breaking News

The ml blog maintenence staff

By RE

March 24, 2006 12:00 AM | Link to this

another

Yikes

By rushncap

March 24, 2006 12:20 AM | Link to this

Wow, it’s rare I laugh out loud at a cartoon. I did this time. Mike — priceless!

By RW-(the original)

March 24, 2006 01:48 AM | Link to this

RE,

I go away for nearly two hours and the only false allegation you can come up with is that I was angry? Pitiful effort, I was expecting a list of some sort.

Well maybe tomorrow, until then another photo of that “babe” you’re after.

By WashingtonState

March 24, 2006 02:45 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I see just as many abused children from Republican families as I do from Democratic ones. In fact just today, I was involved with a 3 month old child who had a fractured femur. Clearly child abuse. 18 year old father. I would never dream of blaming the fact that he abused that child on his consevative upbringing. People are people and human nature is human nature. We all have the same faults and failings. Liberal, conservative, it doesn’t matter. Come out here and spend a day in my office with me. It might change your world view.

By hterrya

March 24, 2006 03:12 AM | Link to this

Washington State: Re. your request to Buy Danish: “Come out here and spend a day in my office with me. It might change your world view.”

Buy Danish “change his world view?” What on earth have you been smoking?

Buy Danish CHANGE something - HaHaHaHaHa! That NeoCon sycophant hasn’t changed his underwear in years! Changing his mind (or world view, if you prefer) would require a brain replacement.

By RE

March 24, 2006 03:14 AM | Link to this

RW,

I am pretty sure you are just looking to pick a fight. My contention is that parents are responsible for their child’s education, and somehow you are able to find false premises and straw man arguements in that assertion.

A couple things

more money going into a school does not make it worse

More money going into a school does not make it better

parents who care and work with their children in school tend to have better educated children

Jeanine is hotter than many give her credit for

By Janeane Garofalo

March 24, 2006 03:24 AM | Link to this

Jesus f*** Christ, could you at least spell my f*** name right if you are going to jackoff to me all f*** night?

By RE

March 24, 2006 03:31 AM | Link to this

RW,

I read through everything posted tonight, mainly because though I tend to disagree with you often, I do respect that you generaly have a logical factual point of view. But you did not say anything other than a rant about teachers.

“Yeah, why should teachers be expected to do any actual subject teaching? It’s not like they are always saying they are the professionals and the only ones that should be trusted to do the job. I mean they don’t ever come out and demand an end to home schooling or anything. They would never decide that it was far more important to have each child place their school supplies into a community supply chest than to allow a child to develop a sense of pride.

You whiny parents should just teach your brats to read, write, and do math so that the professionals in the government classroom can spend their time on social engineering.”

Its all mindless anecdotes. I really don’t have a clue what you are p** about, you are not one to usually go on cliche rants. You can call it whatever you want, breakdown of society, lack of responsibility…whatever, the problem with education is that the kids are not going to school to learn as much as it is a daycare center. The parents should take more of a role. Do you have a problem with that?

By RE

March 24, 2006 03:34 AM | Link to this

Janeane Garofalo,

I wanted to see if you were listening pumpkin, you know I love you. Now fix me a pot pie and clean the toilet.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 06:04 AM | Link to this

This has got to be the most utterly ignorant thing I’ve ever seen in print, except for any of rushncap’s posts, of course:

9/11 backlash tied to lower birth weights Richard Moron - Washington Post Friday, March 24, 2006

I guess we’ll have to remember to be more polite the next time we get slaughtered wholesale by a bunch of religious cowards.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 06:11 AM | Link to this

By the way, Jeanine Godawfulhoe is a pumpkin alright, a rotten one from last Halloween.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 06:14 AM | Link to this

I like this one.

Why can’t we have a funny cartoonist?

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 06:21 AM | Link to this

Great Toon. The problem is not the teaching of religion as an elective, the problem is teaching ONE and ONLY ONE religion as an elective.

Court challenges will, of course, require that a comprehensive review of all religions be presented. There are many non-Christian familes (ie-we are Buddhist) who are required to send their children to school and who don’t want their children to be given an entirely one-sided view of a differing “approved” religious viewpoint by a teaching system that has false credibility to their children via its’ authority of loco parentis.

This latest attempt at “spreading the word” by radical Christian elements may end up being their worst nightmare. They really do not want their kids to be instructed in the teachings of Abdul B’hai, Mohamed, Siddartha Buddha, Judaism, Druidism, Wicca, Branch Davidian, Atheism, Classical Mormonism, etc. They only want to force exposure to Christianity alone on the children of others.

We have taught religion in many guises over the years. Most people don’t regard ancient Roman and Greek mythology as religions anymore because they are dead religions at this time just like Latin is a dead language. To ancient Romans and Greeks, however, their belief system was as authentic and genuine as Christians of today think theirs’ is.

By no means does restricting the teaching of religion from public schools infringe on the right to free religious expression anymore than yelling fire in a crowded theater infringes on the right to free speech. Anyone can pray anytime, anywhere as long as they keep it to themselves and don’t force it on others. Anyone who wants to listen can do so, but no one should be required to! (electives are still required credits and the neccesities/manipulations of scheduling can still coerce attendence even if it is just an elective)

“ถามยังการคงอยู่ของพระเจ้าเพราะถ้าตรงนั้นสิ่งคือที่เขาต้องยอมรับจำนวนมากของเหตุผลกว่าเอาผ้าปิดตาความกลัว”- Thomas Jefferson

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 06:24 AM | Link to this

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice telephoned President Hamid Karzai on Thursday seeking a “favorable resolution” of the case of Abdul Rahman. The 41-year-old former medical aid worker faces the death penalty under Afghanistan’s Islamic laws for becoming a Christian.

A no win issue…

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 06:35 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical - I think it also depends how it is being taught. As scripture or literature.

By @@

March 24, 2006 06:41 AM | Link to this

WashingtonState:

I’m curious re: your 2:45am post. How is it that you determine a parent’s political affiliation on your job. Are you required to ask that question?

An 18 year old just became eligible to vote and probably has no party affiliation at that age. I really am just curious.

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 06:50 AM | Link to this

For all of you who love polls:

Of 2,010 Mexicans and Americans surveyed by research groups CIDAC and Zogby International, 69 percent of Americans and 90 percent of Mexicans opposed a proposal in the U.S. Congress to build a fence along much of the 2,000-mile border.

mmmm…I wonder why 90% of Mexicans oppose a fence? What was the point of conducting that poll? And who were the 10% who said they were in favor of the fence? They must have been real bored at Zogby in order to conduct this poll. But I guess it was better than their alternate idea: “Are you for or against contracting the Bird Flu?”

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 06:52 AM | Link to this

DavidU- I respect your position but I think it it would be nearly impossible to separate out the content of religious writing from it’s literary presentation. It could be done (as is the case in teaching Mythology) but we both know that the potential for abuse is too great for fundamentalists of any “living” persuasion to abstain from “spreading their word”.

By liberal Texas Democrat

March 24, 2006 06:52 AM | Link to this

Discussions “about” the Bible while in public high school some thirty five years ago are what freed me from the “yoke of religion”. I say go for it.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 06:52 AM | Link to this

AntiR: Public school already teaches more about Islam then it does about Christianity, you clown. This Country was not founded by a bunch of Muslims, we did not have religious terrorists landing on Plymouth Rock. As much as you pervert liberals want to change history around to make it fit your agenda, you can’t do it, we aren’t going to let you.

This country was founded by Christians seeking shelter from religious persecution. That is why our Constitution says that “no law shall be made respecting religion” and “the free exercise thereof shall not be prohibited.” We are not leaving again, trust me on that one. We will eliminate you before that happens.

It is our traditions, our culture, our beliefs, our history. It is what made us great. Multiculturalism is a new abnormality, we did fine for 200 years before you perverts started in, by my eyes, I’m willing to bet you made us worse with your meddling in reality.

Why don’t you pinkos set sail across the seven seas and found your own little lib paradise? You can have at it over there.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 07:02 AM | Link to this

DavidU: Without even looking, I guarantee the 69% number that Zogby came up with is probably Mexican Americans.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 07:05 AM | Link to this

LS&L- I’m a fourth generation American my friend and all four generations have provided military service to America and all have been Buddhist. Thankfully, true Christians do not war monger and do not blindly hate other religions. You are neither an American or a Christian and you don’t even know it. Buddhism has much less in common with Christianity than Islam does which basically shares the same old testament belief structure, ignorant clown.

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 07:05 AM | Link to this

Liberals S&L - LOL…for a second there I thought you were going to say: “We didn’t land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us!”

By @@

March 24, 2006 07:07 AM | Link to this

DavidU:

Are clerics afraid of losing their influence over the people?

“If he is allowed to live in the West, then others will claim to be Christian so they can, too,” he said. “We must set an example. … He must be hanged.”

Off to work.

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 07:11 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical - I was discussing with BD this a couple of days ago, about how they use King James Bible in English classes already. Only for the literary aspect of the text. But I’m not really worried since once it passes by that same time next year they will be teaching with texts from the Koran and Torah also (there was an interesting article in the AJC yesterday about this; using all three books in classes here in Atlanta), I’m sure motions are being made up about this as I type this.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 07:12 AM | Link to this

LTD- Religion is not neccessarily a yoke. It can be a life adjunct. I speak from the abstract, of course, as Buddhism is not truely a “religion” in the definition of most Americans (no God, God offspring, or prophets per se). It is a philosophy; a subtle but very real difference.

By rt

March 24, 2006 07:13 AM | Link to this

I’m curious, RW since you’ve obviously thought this through and through, or had it ingrained into your melon by Boortz.

How much can we expect in the form of a Voucher? Do you know how much a private school costs? Any private school? I’m sure there are schools who will take your voucher and child and give a discount, but they will have an agenda other than sound education.

Our children are doing poorly because of what happens at home. It’s not up to ANY teacher to impose the will to learn and not text message while in class, thats a work ethic that can ONLY come from home, right wing nutbag homes or left wing pinko homes whatever. If any of you idiots think for a second that putting your favorite flavor of religious schools on the gubbament payroll via vouchers will improve the religious schools, or the childrens capacity and will to learn, you have drank the koolaid, I’m pretty sure a few here are drinking it by the gallon, and you know who you are…

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 07:16 AM | Link to this

@@ - Ultimate power usually corrupts the mind.

We (US) has a PR nightmare with this story, the new Afghan gov’t has religious problem on their hands (probably the last thing a new gov’t want and the least it is equipped to handle), and Afghanis are watching to see how it unfolds and who is running their country. Which ever way it unfolds it’s going to be bad for the US.

By rt

March 24, 2006 07:18 AM | Link to this

LSL, we did, unfortunately, like all paradises, evil has found a way to slither in and ruin it, that evil is people like you and organized religion. Maybe instead of sailing away to find another paradise, we’ve decided to stick around here and eradicate the evil. We sailed from england to get away from idiot zealots like you.

By candide

March 24, 2006 07:22 AM | Link to this

Good cartoon! Georgia kids cannot read, write or do math. If they spend time studying the Bible, with teachers who know nothing about the Bible that is scientifically true, they will just increase their ignorance and wallow in religious stupidity.

The only person is Georgia who can teach the Bible properly is Me. Yes, me!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 07:24 AM | Link to this

I don’t know if anyone else has heard this but some Atlanta area immigration groups have apparently called for a “strike” with the local illegals not reporting to their jobs today. It is supposed to highlight their worth and value to the metro economy in response to the pending immigration legislation.

So far, the only difference I’ve noticed is that traffic is far lighter than normal, which is an awesome change. Today would be a good day for us tax paying law abiding naturalized citizens to discover the health care system in the United States as it won’t be overrun with non citizens. Perhaps we will also have our teachers being able to focus on education for a day instead of administering day care for all of the non English speakers.

This is the start of something good. I’m thoroughly enjoying America the way it was supposed to be. What ever the Conservatives in the Georgia Legislature have done to initiate this wave of freedom, this day away from the burden of supporting millions of freeloaders, I say keep up the good work, y’all. Kudos!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 07:30 AM | Link to this

AntiR: Welcome to the United States, dude. We have our History here, it is what it is. We are not going to change things around to make you more comfortable at the expense of our Heritage. Blow me.

I’m not the one censoring religion, where in the hell did I say to outlaw or conceal anyone’s faith? You stupid POS liberals are the ones censoring Christianity, look at the cartoon ^^^^^, Moron.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 07:36 AM | Link to this

You only have to listen to what “rt” is saying to know I’m exactly right about the liberals rewriting American History. Here’s what the first American law said:

“In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620.”

Change that around, pinko.

By Charles

March 24, 2006 07:53 AM | Link to this

That’s right ML …. we need school vouchers to stop this entitlement crap the teacher’s unions have created … and failed our kids.

Wow … no drawings mocking our President for a change? How refreshing!

By clark

March 24, 2006 07:53 AM | Link to this

liberals suck & lie - yeah, we were also a colony back then under British rule.

Things Change———-for the better.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

@@,

Great point about how W.S. knows the political affiliations of his clients.

W.S.,

I said that liberal POLICIES helped create bad parents. Indeed, thanks to many of these policies a lot of these kids don’t have parent(s) at all. Kids are having kids, and these kids are growing up without daddies - in great numbers in certain segments of our society. And waddya know - these are the kids who are “at risk” to fail.

I never said anything about whether or not the parent was a liberal or conservative or libertarian or whatever.

hterrya,

Since I used to be a Democrat I guess you could say that I already did change my “world view” jack*off.

AntiR,

We teach mythology in the schools but you have a problem teaching the Bible as literature? If you can show me where the Koran had any influence the formation of our government, our culture, our values, and our literature, I’d say ok, study it. Dittos for Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, any of the isms.

I do think it would be a good idea to study Sharia Law in social studies classes so our kids can learn what happens to people, say in Afghanistan, if they decide to become a Christian. This would be entirely appropriate.

BTW, we do not need any presumptuous lectures from you or Hillary Clinton on what Jesus would or would not do. BTW, I get the impression that you’re not very Buddha-like yourself.

rt,

What kind of poison do you drink every day?Just say no to multiculturalism!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

clark: Let me guess- The Revolutionary War was fought for “reproductive rights” and sexual freedom from repression, right?

By clark

March 24, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

liberals suck & lie; I know you want to go back to a time when you would churn your own butter, but me not so much.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

clark,

Here’s a link to George Washington’s First Inaugaral Address - you know, when we weren’t under British Rule any longer.

Note how he ties in the concept of LIBERTY with our CREATOR - just like our founding documents.

This concept of LIBERTY is a Christian concept, dating back to The Magna Carta. For example, LIBERTY is not a part of Sharia Law.

I’ll give your more links in a bit and give you a chance to catch up on your American History lessons.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

There’s BD….wishing for the “good ole days”. I guess that she would like to give up women’s voting privileges. Or perhaps she would like to bring slavery back.

Maybe she wants to go back about 6,000 years ago when she thinks all of this began. Oops, we can’t be talking about that in public schools.

Voucher systems are simply another support mechanism for elitism. Those who can afford to send their children to private schools will do so while those who cannot…..well you can see where this goes.

There are public school systems all over the U.S. (and all over the world, for that matter) that are successfully producing educated citizens. Here in Georgia you can find counties that are much more successful than other counties (when measured by SAT scores, graduation rates, college matriculation, etc.). A large part of the problem is with the family unit. Much of the rest can be blamed on a weak system that allows poorly performing teachers to continue in their positions.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Correction - make that *Judeo-Christian”.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

clark: Actually I don’t want to go forward to a time where our school children are taught how to worship cattle but our History of Christianity is censored. Thanks, anyway!

By regulator

March 24, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

LSandL, I guess we should salute and pledge alliegence to Charles and Camilla too.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

From George Washington’s Farewell Address:

Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of american, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the Independence and Liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts, of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.

Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Wing-nuts want everyone to think that allowing Christian ideology to be taught in public schools would “improve” the quality of education, and would allow “alternative” views to be introduced. That’s a lie, and they know it. The neo-cons have framed another issue for their fascist children to preach. They even use the Constitution and its authors to support their fascist position.

Christians are free to educate their children in public schools, private schools, or at home. No one else is challenging that right. They can also teach their children about their ideology at home or in the church.

They should not be allowed to proselytize to other people’s minor children without consent…PERIOD!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Well, actually, school vouchers are for those who can least afford to escape the pinko indoctrination taught at these public day care centers. I can afford private Christian schools for my children, which I do, I would never think about taking a voucher from a needy family. I have to live with the effects of liberalism, the more robutts they create, the harder it is on the normal, productive, contributing Conservatives like me.

There is a huge difference between public and private education, that being that they care about your child in the private sector. This is a huge hurdle for the public teacher’s union, they only have time for their agenda and faking test scores so that they get paid more.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it quite telling that the same people that want to censor our Christian Heritage are the same people that want us to lose in Iraq? Just an observation.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

If you can show me where the Koran had any influence the formation of our government, our culture, our values, and our literature, I’d say ok, study it. Dittos for Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, any of the isms.- Buy Danish 8:10

Henry Steel Olcott- Olcott, a Union Colonel in the American civil war, a Buddhist, and special commissioner in the U.S. War and Navy departments (1863–66) had just a little “influence (on the) the formation of our government, our culture, our values, and our literature.” So I guess I can count on buy Danish to say “ok, study it” (Buddhism)!

There are hundreds of thousands of examples of Americans of non-Christian heritage who supported America, the land of religious toleration, of course. How about Native American beliefs in ancestral spirits? Since they were here before us all, by LSL/Danish’s own logic we should then be teaching Cherokee and Apache spiritual beliefs rather than biblical ones.

False-Christians like Buy Danish and Liberals Suck and Lie just want to “deny non-Christians their heritage”. This is typical of the far right method- deride religious intolerance while all the time doing that very thing themselves. They think that if they scream loud enough that they can shout down reason; they are wrong!

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

Schools vouchers would never pay the full cost of private education. Again, only those who could afford it would be able to take advantage of it.

Andy, I don’t believe for one minute that you would return one dime from any school voucher you received. You would use the money to upgrade your imperial wizard outfit.

By seeker

March 24, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

They myth that the founding Fathers were devout Christians persists. They were not.

Thomas Jefferson repeatedly said he was a “deist”, who believed that a greater power created the earth, and life… and then left them to fend for themselves.

George Washington never mentioned Jesus in any of his writings. He did advocate true religious freedom.

Letter to United Baptist Churches in Virginia

For you, doubtless, remember that I have often expressed my sentiment, that every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.

The bible thumpers who argue that the US was founded as a Christian state are delusional. Their push for a theocracy is dangerous.

Evangelical Christians = Islamic extremists.

By cynic

March 24, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

To the conservative redneck pinheaded morons out there. Or should I say members of the KKK. That was then p**, this is now. All you are arguing for is to go back to “better times” when the white man’s will was “law, owned slaves, beat their women without fear of reprisal and felt secure in his “superiority”-conveniently given him by a book of lies.

The only failure of the educational system is to produce decent human beings, as evidenced by the ignorance and myriad hatreds of our loving “Christian” and conservative neighbors, let alone the complete lack of logical deductive “reasoning”, born out by the “since this is what I feel it must be true” nonsense humorously considered intellligent thought.

Liberty is a Christian concept”-what a steming pile of horse manure. So too is carpet bombing of civilians, concentration camps and the mechanized asssult on every living creature and the planet itself. Death and destruction thanks to the Christian scheme of industrialization. Take the credit for that as well, there’s nobody else to blame.

Of course, if there was such a thing as real education in the South and not the mumbo jumbo crap fed to you by religious bigots you great “historians” would know that there was a well recorded democracy in ancient Greece long before the Romans were feeding you cultists to the lions-too bad there weren’t enough lions. What conceited, arrogant, mendacious gall. FDR brought electricty to the south but not a shred of enlightenment.

Poor Jesus-what a sorry and despicable fan club he has. You vile spawn of a culture sharing more in common with bacteria than human values have SO much in common with the fundamentalist Muslim -like two peas in the same pod or the other side of the same coin.

With the great unwashed ranks of bible-thumping bile spewing delusional gelded lackeys of the ruling class running around unchained who needs the “terrorists” to worry about, when we have such a large home-grown population of born-again killers of our own at home?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

See why I like my new name so much?- Liberals Suck And Lie.

By AntiRadical March 24, 2006 09:12 AM False-Christians like Buy Danish and Liberals Suck and Lie just want to “deny non-Christians their heritage”. This is typical of the far right method- deride religious intolerance while all the time doing that very thing themselves.

Hey this little POS can’t even stay within the framework of the debate. It’s pathological for these libs to make things up as they go. It’s the only way they can compete and this is how they teach children in public schools by making things up to make America look bad and perverts look good.

Look at the cartoon ^^^ and tell me who is censoring who? That’s what this whole deal is about, “denying Christians their heritage.”

I had a little bit more respect for Anti Radical than I do now.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

By seeker March 24, 2006 09:18 AM They myth that the founding Fathers were devout Christians persists. They were not.

That’s what is getting taught to your children in public school right now. The Pilgrims didn’t come here to escape religious persecution, nope, they came here so that they could oppress and rape the Indians. Check into it yourself if you don’t believe me. Listen to the clown seeker if you need proof.

If you want to lose your country, if you want it to become third world disaster, let these liberals keep on with their bulls-hit.

By Eric

March 24, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Does that liberals suck guy have a sign on his forehead that says IDIOT? Nevermind, he doesn’t need one.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

If I were Anti Radical, I would wear Andy’s “lack of respect” like a badge of honor.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Sometimes I think we Real Americans (read: liberals) are TOO liberal. People like Andy make me want to consider a law restricting an individual’s right to procreate.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

cynic: Allow me to sum up your argument for you- If a Muslim stuck his reproductive organ into a fellow Muslims digestive tract, would he be doing this in the name of Allah?

How can you, POS, say that slavery was done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ?

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

When Andy posts quotations all over this blog, he thinks that is okay. When someone posts facts and/or quotations from George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, he suddenly implies that these are lies taught in public school today.

His ignorance is boundless.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

LS&L: Non-Christians are not rallying to force the inclusion of non-Christian instruction in public schools. It is the far-right Christians who are vehement about forcing Bible study! THAT, see Jaysuss^^^, (and the sorry state of education) is what the toon is all about. It is you who “can’t even stay within the framework of the debate.”

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Eric,

LS&L is really a blogger named Andy. He changed his sobriquet a couple of weeks ago. In reality, he is a chronic bed wetter who has the same dream every night.

He dreams that the terrorists have attacked him right there in Smyrna. He awakes in a cold sweat, sitting in a puddle of urine (the same color as the stripe down his back). He then jumps on this blog and, in an attempt to overcome his impotence, starts calling everyone morons, pinkos, etc.

Fortunately I am a Real American and a liberal, so I feel pity for him.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Keep on with the lies, AntiR, it’s the only way you perverts can hang. The course in question is elective.”

Once again, the only people forcing anything are the liberals. American Christian Heritage runs counter to abortion, pornography, homosexuality, polygamy, assisted suicide, hatred of the United States and all of the other things these POS liberals stand for.

It’s bad for their business.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

*”The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life.” *- Adolf Hitler, My New World Order, Proclamation to the German Nation at Berlin, February 1, 1933

By Rev. Phelps

March 24, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13.

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:32.

Now let’s go protest at Soldiers Funerals. Praise Him! Teach the Gospel.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

I changed my “sobriquet” because the stupid POS liberals were getting tired of me spanking their as-ses in this debate and they started to use my real name to post stupid childish N-GA type posts in an attempt to discredit me.

This name they are more than welcome to hijack. It’s like a kidnap victim with a cellphone. My message is still getting out.

I wish I could add a few nouns into this new handle, like “wanker,” so that I can represent all of the liberals, I feel like N-ga is not getting represented. I’m considering the change to get him the attention he desires.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

LS&L- Electives are still required courses, you only have the option to choose which ones you take. Scheduling parameters often REQUIRE that students take courses that they do not wish to. When ONLY Bible study is permitted as an elective, that is exclusive. I don’t advocate removing Bible study from elective curriculums as long as equivalent all inclusive non-Christian spiritual elective studies are provided as well. How about you?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Pathological lying AntiR:

There is no question that Hitler was a Nazi. Nazism was clearly his most important religious affiliation, not in the positive way the word “religion” is often defined, but in the general sense that any philosophy or belief system which is most important in a person’s life is that person’s “religion,” regardless of whether or not it is universally labelled as a “religion.” Hitler was also born into a Catholic family, but he specifically rejected Catholicism and he rejected Christianity in general. On occasion we have read people claim that “Hitler was a Catholic” or “Hitler was a Christian” in a meaningful way, implying that Christianity or Catholicism was the primary impetus for his Nazi reign. Such claims are simply vitriolic attacks occasionally voiced by ideologically-inclined anti-Christian’

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Hey Phelps….Mr. Mission Impossible…teach your gospel somewhere else….choke on the hypocrisy that you and those like you practice.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Anti-R,

The Declaration of Independence and our Constitution were written before 1863 (DUH) and unless you can show me where the beliefs of Native Americans influenced these founding documents, then they are irrelevant to the discussion.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Andy….why don’t you change your sobriquet to “A$$-$PANKER” ?? It would be so very appropriate. I’m sure your wife and children can relate.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

LS&L- I didn’t claim that Hitler embraced TRUE Christian ideals. He only USED them to spread his idea of Aryian supremacy, much like you are doing now! You gave a synopsis of what your author wanted to think Hitler believed according to your own agenda; I gave a word for word direct quote from Hitler’s own words and the data needed to verify their authenticity. No conclusions or synopsis were needed from me to explain them; no conclusions or synopsis from you can excuse them!

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Seeker,

Deists followed the teachings of Christ, which makes them Christians. They did not believe in certain aspects of Christian dogma, or organized religion, or other formalities, but no matter how you spin it, Christ is the key word.

And no matter how you spin it, our founders were guided by documents like the Magna Carta and Mayflower Compact, and by Judeo-Christian principles like liberty, and in inalienable rights endowed by our Creator.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

AntiR: Let’s get really specious, my man. You are trying to say that by teaching the history of American Christian Heritage in our schools is opening the door for a holocaust perpetrated by Christians right here in America?

Do you liberals know how stupid and silly you sound?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Non-Christians are not rallying to force the inclusion of non-Christian instruction in public schools. It is the far-right Christians who are vehement about forcing Bible study!

Anti R,

No one is FORCING Bible Study. You are trying to deny Americans who don’t go to church an opportunity to study a book whose influence on our civilization and culture is greater than any other book ever written.

You are free to practice Buddhism and celebrate your Buddhist heritage. No one is stopping you.

Buddha did not influence English Literature or our Constitution or Declaration of Independence. The Bible did. That’s why it should be offered as an elective.

How difficult is that to grasp?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Danish: Isn’t it funny how all these liberals have to do to prove our point about the lack of American History being taught in public schools is open their mouths? And let the ignorance just flow out?

They really believe that white male nazi persecution garbage that public school teachers tell their students, they have no idea of our true heritage.

If America is bad and so evil, why have and why do some many people keep coming here to escape their country? For the opportunity to be enslaved? For the chance to be oppressed?

When are you libs gonna get tired of being lied to?

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

There’s Andy….foolishly calling the kettle black.

If you want to teach “American Christian Heritage”, do it in your “American Christian Madras”.

The rest of us Real Americans will educate our children with the TRUTH.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

LS&L- Andy just because you make something up (“opening the door to holocaust”) doesn’t meaan that I said or agree with what you attribute to me (typical right wing tactic). Once again, “I don’t advocate removing Bible study from elective curriculums as long as equivalent all inclusive non-Christian spiritual elective studies are provided as well. How about you?” YOU are the one who appears to advocate stifling belief structures that are incompatible with your own. People no longer buy into far-right straw-man tactics, you need a new schtick!

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

BD:

Your lack of quality education leads you to make stupid statements about Deism. For your benefit, here is Webster’s definition:

“Deism is defined in Webster’s Encyclopedic Dictionary, 1941, as: “[From Latin Deus, God.Deity] The doctrine or creed of a Deist.” And Deist is defined in the same dictionary as: “One who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being but denies revealed religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason.”“

You will find no mention of Christ or Christianity. Please put bullets into your gun before you aim and shoot it.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Thousands To Participate In “Day For Latino Dignity”

ATLANTA — Jose Castro says there is something different today about Buford Highway, well known for its many Hispanic and other ethnic businesses.

Standing at a bus stop, Castro — who is from Mexico — says the area in metro Atlanta is missing its usual hustle and bustle today.

Immigrant communities encouraged a work stoppage to protest a bill passed by the Georgia House yesterday that allows sweeping changes to the state’s immigration policies. Some estimate that as many as 800,000 would take part in the protest.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Anti-R,

AntiR,

Let me try the Al Gore method of speaking and use really short sentences:

We are the United States of America. We are not Germany, or Nazi Germany. We shed blood as Americans to defeat Hitler. We did not shed blood to defeat Christianity.

Can you argue like a grown up, stop lying, and and stick to quoting our founding fathers, or those individuals who wrote the great works of English literature that are essential to be familiar with in order to be an educated American?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

LS&L,

AntiR wants to ignore history, including the part about where we entered WWII and defeated Hitler and Nazi Germany.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

BD states: “You are trying to deny Americans who don’t go to church an opportunity to study a book whose influence on our civilization and culture is greater than any other book ever written.”

Every American has access to the book you describe. If they want it, they can get it at any Christian church. They can attend bible study. They can even go to any hotel and look in the drawer next to the bed. Your ideological zeal allows you to tell yourself that your lies are okay as long as they help your to spread your “message”.

You are a spreader of merde.

By finch

March 24, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Deists do not follow the teachings of Christ. Their beliefs just happen to parallel the teachings of Jesus, who (in their eyes) was just a very smart and compasionate man.

More.

For them, Christ is definitely not the key word… no matter how you spin it.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

AntiR: When did I say anything about censoring other religious beliefs? Read back through any of my posts over the last 6 months if you must. Show me. You are the close minded hater, exactly what you accuse Conservatives of doing. I want to open people’s minds to our history and let them decide what is right or wrong. You only want one opinion to get out, yours, look at the cartoon.

It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if one of these liberals came back and said that the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock so that they could drill for oil and steal it from the Indians. These liberals are wasted, they no nothing but the stupid mindless cliches that the public school agenda crapped out their minds with. There is nothing there with these people, their whole entire life is a facade, erected for the sole purpose of falsely making everything equal. What a fk’n joke.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

“Question even the existence of God, for if there be one he must approve more of reason than blindfolded Fear.”- Thomas Jefferson (founding father)

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Let me explain this to you in the simplest of terms. Our country is founded on Judeo-Christian values of liberty and freedom.

Madrassas teach the exact opposite of these Christian values. That is why, right now as we speak, in Afghanistan a certain gentleman who converted to Christianity is being prosecuted and the prosecutor wants the death penalty for his apostasy.

That is why Al Qaeda has issued fatwas against Christians, Jews and “non-believers”. Islamofascists, many of whom are “educated” in Madrassas think that it is okay to kill anyone who is not a Muslim. Countries with Sharia Law forbid practicing any other religion, and will kill you if you disobey.

It is nothing short of despicable for you to use LIES not TRUTH to claim that Christianity and Madrassas have anything in common, or to imply in any way that we wish to establish a theocracy in America.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” —George Washington in a speech May 12, 1779

“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”

“It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors.”

Amen.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

N-GA<

Using your logic we should just close down the schools and not teach anything because we can learn it at home.

By finch

March 24, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Most “liberals” I know favor public school classes on how the Bible (Old and New Testaments) have influenced world history, politics and culture, for better and for worse.

I would hope the classes would also include how disputes within and among religions, including Christianity, have been responsible for wars that were longer and more bloody than ones over such “trivial” issues as territory, trade and autonomy.

And no proselytizing.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Anti-R,

To question something is not to deny it. It just means to think about it - a skill that you have apparently not mastered.

By WashingtonState

March 24, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

@@,

I’ve known most of their families for years. It’s not that big a town and my job brings me into constant contact with a large segment of the population.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

John Adams and John Hancock: We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! April 18, 1775

John Adams: The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.

July 4th ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” —October 11, 1798

“I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen.” December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

Amen.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

finch,

The Deists who were our founding fathers at the very least observed the teachings of Christ the philosopher, and were guided by Judeo-Christian principles.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

I’m not the one who doesn’t want all inclusive spiritual study, Danish. I’m completely ok with studying the Koran, Wicca, Druidism, whatever. I believe that our kids should be instructed in all spiritual matters, not just Christian ones. You appear to only want “Bible” study, or have I misunderstood you? Do you or do you not advocate the study of ALL religious text or just your own?

By finch

March 24, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Buy Danish is right. You can’t dismiss the vast influence of Christianity on world politics and culture, even if you don’t think much of some of the zealots today who call themselves “christians”. You might as well try to marginalize the law of gravity. It should be a required subject.

By WashingtonState

March 24, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

@@,

You are right though. I don’t know their political affiliations, just whether they are liberal or conservative.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin “ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

Amen.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

John Hancock: | Portrait of John Hancock • “In circumstances as dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that whilst every prudent measure should be taken to ward off the impending judgments, …at the same time all confidence must be withheld from the means we use; and reposed only on that God rules in the armies of Heaven, and without His whole blessing, the best human counsels are but foolishness… Resolved; …Thursday the 11th of May…to humble themselves before God under the heavy judgments felt and feared, to confess the sins that have deserved them, to implore the Forgiveness of all our transgressions, and a spirit of repentance and reformation …and a Blessing on the … Union of the American Colonies in Defense of their Rights [for which hitherto we desire to thank Almighty God]…That the people of Great Britain and their rulers may have their eyes opened to discern the things that shall make for the peace of the nation…for the redress of America’s many grievances, the restoration of all her invaded liberties, and their security to the latest generations. “A Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, with a total abstinence from labor and recreation. Proclamation on April 15, 1775”

Amen.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

finch,

What religious wars have we participated in since our founding? I can think of one, and we are fighting it right now, although we aren’t allowed to call it that.

We are defending our liberty and our civilization against religious and cultural tyranny.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Anti R,

It is not the schools place to instruct in spiritual values. That is what you do or don’t do at home.

It is the schools place to instruct on American History and that includes studying the books and documents that both govern and guide our beliefs as a nation.

By RE

March 24, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

If you want to see something really fun, watch in 5 years after they start teaching chrisitan history in schools.

The methodists will go after the baptists, the catholics will sue the episcopalians….and on and on. No one can agree what the book says, thats why there are so many different churches around. This is still a concept so the believers out there figure that the government schools will teach the bible exactaly as they believe it. Watch the shock and horror as they begin to fight over all the differences that seperate them.

Do people have free will to choose, or is it all gods plan?

Mary, virgin at birth? Virgin her entire life? Jesus had brothers and sisters? Mary Magdalene, was she a prostitute, an apostle, or Jesus’ wife?

Have fun

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Patrick Henry: | Portrait of Patrick Henry “Orator of the Revolution.” • This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.” —The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ (Blessed Be Thy Name). For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses

“The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed.”

Amen!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

James Madison “ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” 1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia

I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor of religion or against temporal enjoyments, even the most rational and manly, than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments and [who] are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare the unsatisfactoriness [of temportal enjoyments] by becoming fervent advocates in the cause of Christ; and I wish you may give in your evidence in this way. Letter by Madison to William Bradford (September 25, 1773)

Amen.

By getalife

March 24, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

Where is the outrage wingnuts?

What is being done to save this man’s life for wanting to convert to your religion?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Why shouldn’t our chidren know these things?

Anybody want to tackle that question?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Anti-R,

Do you understand what the words literature and history mean?

Here - I posted this once for Candide, but I’m going to post it again just for you. I’m giving you fair warning - it is from the Bible - from a bit of poetry known as a Psalm. Ready?

Listen to this

You see the influence that The Bible has on our culture - even on an anti-war activist named Pete Seeger?

You cannot escape it - The Bible is part of our culture and history. Be not afraid!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22; “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us.”

[Baron Charles Montesquieu, wrote in 1748; “Nor is there liberty if the power of judging is not separated from legislative power and from executive power. If it [the power of judging] were joined to legislative power, the power over life and liberty of the citizens would be arbitrary, for the judge would be the legislature if it were joined to the executive power, the judge could have the force of an oppressor. All would be lost if the same … body of principal men … exercised these three powers.” Madison claimed Isaiah 33:22 as the source of division of power in government.

Scripture divined the three co equal branches of government, go figure.

Amen.

By finch

March 24, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

American politicians in the 18th century share a trait with their contemporaries. In public, to woo support, they’d say anything. That includes pandering to the religious beliefs of potential supporters.

In private? Let’s see now…

“I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.” –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

But wait! There’s more!

“The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” - John Adams

Amen!!

(tip of the hat to Google. It’s almost too easy.)

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

RE,

Gosh, I hope you don’t expire from having to think too hard.

By RE

March 24, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Imagine the long drawn out school board meetings where people are shouting our how much time they want spent on Paul’s letters. How about where it is taught to just ignore leviticus, that does not matter anymore.

If any state is going to do this, I am sure it will be GA or kansas. This is going to be hilarious. CHristians will be at each others throats in a couple years

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Jedediah Morse: | portrait of Jedediah Morse “To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys… . Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them.”

Just like Andy said, let these liberals keep on with their lies and they will bring us down.

Amen to the truth.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Everybody: Please open finch’s second link on John Adams at 11:55. Is this what you want for the future of our children?

Why do they hate our children so much?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

I would also like to thank you, finch. When you have to enlist the help of a pornographic website to fight off the Word of God it makes my job that much easier.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish- “It is not the schools place to instruct in spiritual values. That is what you do or don’t do at home.”

On that we can totally agree. That is why it is such a bag of worms to try to include only one religion or subset thereof in the elective study of religion in schools. If it is to be done, it must be inclusive and I think the courts will eventually bear that out. I do agree that religion should ideally be studied at home or in church. Like you, I feel that religion should be something you “do or don’t do at home”.

By getalife

March 24, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

You wingnuts are something else

A violent bunch.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Thomas Paine: “ It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.”

Amen.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Our Founding Fathers, pandering for votes like Hillary Clinton (joke, these dudes weren’t up for election, I’m using sarcasm to show the utter stupidity of finch, pornographer):

James McHenry – Signer of the Constitution | Portrait of James McHenry Public utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, the punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience.

Amen.

By RE

March 24, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

BD that is the point, there are a lot of spiritual questions that you kick around in your head for years without ever coming to a real answer on, but you learn more from the struggle than you do for the answer. Well now with religion in school, we can bypass all that thinking and give you the answer right away, what ever the answer the school board has decided upon at least.

You guys are nuts sometimes, endless complaint about intrusive and incompetent government, and how the free market is always superior to government mandate, except for religion I guess. On religion, I guess we do need government to push it into the schools.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Danish- all religions and beliefs are part of our culture. We are an inclusive society and have had non-Christain members of our society since before the War of Independence, or are you unaware of the colonial African slave population and their tribal spiritualisms, among others? The USA embraces all religions in it’s tolerance. We specifically spelled it our in our founding documents. We don’t have freedom of only “Christian” expression. We have freedom of “religious” expression, Christian and all other religious expression!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

Look, Jefferson’s Memorial even panders for votes among Christians:

[“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984

Amen.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

finch,

Nice lefty link. Now let’s try one of mine.

“[S]o great is my veneration of the Bible,” he wrote Charles, “and so strong is my belief, that when duly read and meditated on, it is of all books in the world, that which contributes most to making men good, wise, and happy.” He served as vice-president of the American Bible Society, 1818-48.

By finch

March 24, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

I knew I’d get your attention with that link, Suck! heeheee!

It’s almost too easy. Like “canned” quail hunting!

You can’t refute the quotes… can you?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

AAARRRRGHHHHH.

Anti R,

It is not being taught as a spiritual guide, but as literature. It is not being read to convert students to religion or Christianity or Judaism.

Your skull is incredibly thick.

By AntiRadical

March 24, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

BD/LS&L- Nice discussion. I may stop by more frequently if this blog is returning to the more civilized discourse that it used to enjoy. Sadly, I must leave you to carry on the debate without me for now. See you on the “flip” side (that’s self-deprecating humor, guys and ladies).

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Anti R,

History is not a bag of worms and neither is literature. All religions are not a “part of our culture”. Because people are free to practice or not practice whatever they want does not automatically confer equal status to all of them, or give them a significant place of importance in American History.

By RW-(the original)

March 24, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

You know I’m usually on here at night and LS&L is on here early and people are always harping on us being here (God I hate this term) 24/7.

I think RE is really trying to do it.

By LiberalMinded

March 24, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

One of your best works to date Mr. Luckovich. Keep up the excellent work. I have been laughing all morning because this is so true.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Here you go, finchy, the whole quote from Adams, not just the conveniently edited out version to promote your POS liberal agenda:

“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.”

The man was talking about the tenets of the faith that have no basis in the Gospels. He is not talking directly about Christianity, in fact he is affirming his faith in the Word of God by showing disdain for man made ceremonies. To each his own, we practice freedom within Christianity.

Pathological Liar.

By Scooter

March 24, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

The flip side was also used in one of my favorite flicks, The Boondock Saints

Except it said “catch you on the flip side”.

Anyway, a good flick it was. I’ll bet getalife would like it?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Since when is teaching Literature and History an “intrusion”.

Getalife,

You apparently believe a fallacy about Christianity. We do not claim to be perfect, or without sin. Because one Christian does something horrible, even a minister’s wife, does mean that all of Christianity should be condemned. Indeed, what this person did is exactly what we are taught not to do, and one hopes that the crime will be appropriately punished here on earth, in the interest of justice. What happens when they die is open to interpretation.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

RW: Don’t forget about the Danish we all eat at lunchtime.

By finch

March 24, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

“What religious wars have we participated in since our founding? I can think of one, and we are fighting it right now, although we aren’t allowed to call it that.”

Buy Danish, I agree that we are at war with Islamofascists, and they started it. That’s as opposed to the war in Iraq, which we started.

But the costliest war in US history, the War Between the States, boiled down to religion. Specifically, interpetations of Christianity. You had the faction that believed slavery was sanctioned by the Bible, and the faction that believed the Bible condemned it. The other issues (civic, economic, territorial) were ancillary.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

And again, the full version of Jefferson’s quote, not finch’s perverted one:

* I have examined all the known superstitions of the World, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world … . The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind … to filch wealth and power to themselves. [They], in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ. Thomas Jefferson*

The bold text is what finch “forgot” to include. I wonder why he left that out?

I am the champion, my friend, and I’ll keep on fighting till the end, I am the champion, I am the champion, no time for losers…

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Not to change the subject but Victor Davis Hanson makes a hell of a good point:

Throughout this postmodern war, the military has been on the horns of a dilemma: Don’t shoot and you are indicted for being lax and allowing lawlessness to spread; shoot and you are gratuitously slandered as a sort of rogue LAPD in camouflage. We hear only of the deliberately inexact rubric “Iraqi civilian losses” — without any explanation that almost all the Iraqi dead are either (1) victims of the terrorists, (2) Iraqi security forces trying to defend the innocent against the terrorists, or (3) the terrorists themselves.

By finch

March 24, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Suck,

Thanks for that link, which just supports what I’ve been saying. Did you miss the conclusion at the bottom? Here it is.

“These quotes suggest that many of our Founding Fathers were skeptical of organized religion and felt there was no place in our secular government for any specific religion.”

Loser.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

finch,

I think that your interpretation of the Civil War is not what one would call the consensus view.

By getalife

March 24, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Good point now apply that logic to Islam.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

finchy: I don’t have to distort or conceal my side of the argument like you do with yours. I’m the champion. I have faith and principles, you have lies.

Enjoy!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

It was the equivalent of describing vandalism as genocide. The blaze faded, only to be reignited briefly by former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi’s statement last weekend that Iraq was in a civil war - a claim he swiftly retracted, to the disappointment of anchormen and -women everywhere.

Allawi wants to be prime minister again - although his country’s voters rejected him - and he was playing the fear card. It backfired: Iraqi leaders from virtually every faction denounced his claim, and the former PM, once seen as a muscular leader, was outed as just another political hack.

By Syd

March 24, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Wow, Mike actually has a funny cartoon that isn’t based on the media’s biased reporting!

By Joe Scarborough

March 24, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Losing patience with Bush (Joe Scarborough)

It wasn’t hard to figure out when Richard Nixon was screwed.

My father, who was a faithful member Nixon’s Silent Majority, supported the 36th President throughout Vietnam, Cambodia, Kent State and the Watergate hearings.

To George F. Scarborough, the Washington Post was the enemy, Walter Cronkite was a communist and John Dean was a spineless traitor.

Even as an 11 year old, I knew the gig was up when my dad opened up the paper one morning in August and whispered, “If he’s done half of this stuff, he should be sent straight to jail.”

The next day, Nixon resigned.

Thirty-two years later, the same guy who stood by Nixon to the very end turned away from the Duke-Boston College game to tell me that he was losing patience with another GOP leader.

“What’s going on with Bush? I look at some of the things he’s been doing and I just don’t…”

Dad’s voice trailed off.

This lifelong Republican who waited in line for hours in 1964 to cast his vote for Goldwater, and predicted the rise of Ronald Reagan in 1979, could not bring himself to verbalize what the President’s critics have been saying for years now. That George Bush’s war is a disaster and his administration is out of touch with the Silent Majority.

The record deficit. The port deal. Amnesty for illegal aliens. Bridges to nowhere. Skyrocketing gas prices. Iranian terrorists getting the Bomb.

It’s all been enough to make hardcore Republicans like my dad start asking if there’s any difference between the Republican Party they have always loved and the Democratic Party they have forever loathed.

A Republican President has to work hard to lose guys like my dad. But George Bush is close to losing George Scarborough.

Maybe that’s why he’s sitting at 38% in the polls and why his party’s leaders are running for their lives.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Has anyone else noticed any effects of the illegal immigrant labor “strike” other than all of the taverns were full at 12 noon? Traffic has been great, area food service seems to be moving along quite well. Let’s make this permanent.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Quotes from our founders. I am particularly fond of Patrick Henry’s…

George Washington:

Scroll down to his personal prayers which specifically and repeatedly mention Jesus Christ

Alexander Hamilton:

I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.” [July 12, 1804 at his death]

Benjamin Franklin:

In Benjamin Franklin’s 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach “the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.”

In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was dedicated as “a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the Cornerstone.”

Patrick Henry:

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

“The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed.”

Thomas Jefferson:

The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”

“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

“I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.”

James Madison:

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

All of the above and more can be found at this handy website

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I’m not sure what you’re looking for exactly, but Islamofascism, rewards “believers” for killing “infidels”, and under Sharia Law the punishment for apostasy is death. See Afghanistan.

Unlike Christianity, which reveres LIFE and liberty, Islamofascism is an uncivilized culture of DEATH which, for example, offers cash payments to those who wish to kill themselves and others in the name of Allah.

It is very dangerous business.

By clark

March 24, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

liberals suck and lie- How would you know? you’ve been at your computer since 5am.

by the way, you went third person at 11:58 AM, I think you may have finally lost it.

amen.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

It would be unfair to brand all Muslims as IslamoFascists, but they are allowing their religion be hijacked, and they need to do something to stop it, or there will be no “moderates” left.

And as you can see from what is going on in Afghanistan, much of this stuff is the law of the land in some countries, not just some fringe element.

While David U thinks that this situation is bad, I actually think it is good because it forces us to see the truth, instead of the baloney that the professional propagandists and apologists feed us.

By getalife

March 24, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

BD,

It is very dangerous business.

Indeed and that is my point. Not only Islam believes in killing others but so does Christianity.

There have been millions killed in the name of religion.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

clark,

What business is it of yours how much time one spends on the computer?

This is typical Liberal crap, where you think you are better than everyone else (without providing even a scintilla of evidence, and in fact you prove the contrary more often than not). You think that you can tell people how to lead their lives, without knowing the first thing about anyone’s personal life, interests, or individual circumstances.

But, hey, keep it up. I enjoy exposing hypocrisy.

By clark

March 24, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

buy danish; I always like it when you stand up for your buddies, makes me laugh.

and you are right, I don’t give a flying f* what ‘suck and lies’ does with his time. I was responding to his observations of traffic patterns and restaurant service efficiency.

amen

By getalife

March 24, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

If This Justin was hear, he would scream: THOUGH SHALL NOT KILL!

Please tell me why it is okay to kill others. Is it do onto others before they do it to you?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

clark: If you think it takes me, the champion, several hours to read through and comprehend these comments, like it does you, you are sorely mistaken. I can come and go from here at will and still have your liberal as-s covered.

Thanks for caring about me, though.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

getalife: I thought Conservatives were supposed to be the whiney ones? Are you a Republican at heart?

By Andy's Mom

March 24, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Its true my Andy hasn’t left his room since this blog started last October. Yesterday I tried to get him out of the house when the blog went down but he just sat at his computer muttering “I must hit reload, I must hit reload.” At other times he would mumble “google, google, google”, I think that is some sort of baby talk, now I’m really scared.

I even made him his favorite, spaghetti-o’s, put the bowl on the patio table but he still wouldn’t budge.

I just don’t know what to do he won’t see the doctor. I cry most nights now, he’ll never move out.

By getalife

March 24, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I am not associated with any political party due to the ongoing corruption in government today.

I try to find truth and understanding towards wingnut and liberal rhetoric but the more I learn, the more I embrace change in the current political system.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Actually Andy,

I’ve always believed that you were really an extremist liberal who is so dedicated to overthrowing the wing-nuts on the right that you blog as a complete fascist idiot in an attempt to make reasonable rightists look bad.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Tell me exactly who, now in 2006, is being killed in the name of Christianity. Tell me who, in the history of our nation, on our soil, has been killed in the name of Christianity.

I don’t mean one kook here and there, I want to know about a major movement by Christian Americans.

By clark

March 24, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Andy’s mom; Your act is tired. Move on get a new gimmick.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

clark,

It is possible to be at one’s computer away from home. Have you heard about wireless laptops, or is that too technologically advanced for you?

By Scooter

March 24, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Wow N-GA, I have often thought the same of you, Kimberly, Candide, JJG, JC and Socialist Democrat.

By RE

March 24, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

BD,

All the indian tribes?

By Andy's Mom

March 24, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Thanks Clark, I haven’t been getting much sleep and am very tired. Been worried about my boy.

Buy Danish, you also seem to be in the need for a life since you too are now here 24/7. How would you like to meet my Andy? He’s not much to look at, but you two sure think alike. I’ll make you both a batch of my famous Kraft Macaroni and Cheese, Andy loves it. How many boxes should I make for you?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

RE,

That was not “in the name of Christianity”, so you score a zero on that pop quiz.

By clark

March 24, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

buy danish; Have you heard about wireless laptops

nope, never heard of dem? I have my trusty Xerox Alto that works for me just fine.

By seeker

March 24, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

So the truth rises and sparkles.

The USAs Founding Fathers spoke of Christ and church in public to energize and organize, but among eachother and in private they were deists and agnosics, who realized that (to paraphrase Marx) religion is the opium of the people. They rejected organized religion, except as a political tool, and so should we.

And speaking of paraphrase…

I am the champion, my friend, and I’ll keep on fighting till the end, I am the champion, I am the champion, no time for losers…

LS&L: You must know that you are parroting Freddy Mercury, who was an outspokem sodomist until the day he died. Doesn’t that make you feel a little… queer?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Don’t get confused!: Actually, I’m just a normal God fearing Christian Conservative who doesn’t view life as one big immoral playpen where I can do what ever feels good without nary a concern for the world around me. I believe in giving others a chance to succeed on their own without enslaving them to some dead end life killing entitlement program. I believe in paying for what I use and not taking what I don’t need.

I believe in the strength of America and if that offends some other people it is their problem not ours. I believe if you want to be apart of this great nation you should learn about it and understand it first, before you start accepting benefits from it. You shouldn’t drive, go to school or seek medical care until you have taken the steps necessary to become a naturalized citizen like the rest of us, who work and pay for those services. You should pay taxes, not go exempt from them, send all your money to another country and change your social security number every year to cheat the system.

I believe that our children are the future and we should treat them as such, not use them for props to advertise some sicko Hollywood movie (Thirteen.) They deserve to be protected from life’s hazards until they are old enough and mature enough to make their own choices. They deserve to live a life free from the bondages of sexual abuse, humiliation and degradement. I believe that you have the right to call your women hoes and b*** but if you say that to my women I will kill you.

I can’t believe that there are people that actually disagree with me. That blows my mind. Liberalism is the bottom of the barrel, why can’t you people see that? Have you no pride, no dignity, no respect for yourself?

Thanks for asking.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

ML hits the tip of the iceberg. Georgia’s position in the following state rankings:

State Enlightenment - 44th

Eligible voters voting - 46th

Infant mortality - 45th

Gonorrhea - 45th

Unmarried births - 41st

% living in mobile homes/trailers - 33rd

SAT/ACT Averaged - 48th

Violent crime rate - 35th

ML has lots of material….

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

OOPS. A very quick hire and fire at the Washington Post. Hired on Tuesday fired on Friday - for plagiarism. If this were France he might still be employed

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

Thankfully most of you bloggers recall Andy (LS&L) talking about my disabled daughter, so you see him for what he really is. He says “…you have the right to call your women hoes and b* but if you say that to my women I will kill you.” What a fascist hypocrite (and Olympic-class bed wetter).

By clark

March 24, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

You kind of walked into that one Andy

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

State Enlightenment - 44th

Ok N-GA, I give up. What’s that?

I actually think it’s pretty good that we’re not #1 in the nation in Gonorrhea.

God only knows what the source of your fabulous data is.

By clark

March 24, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

The facts don’t lie

N-Ga but rememebr hes a God fearing Christian

Ok now people are staring since I’m laughing so hard

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Ben Domenech was hired to write the Washington Post’s conservative blog. He was one of the founders of redstate.org and has been caught creating fictitious quotes (of Tim Russert) and plagiarizing during his college years.

Another “honest” right-wing ideologue (kinda like Jack Abramoff and that fake reporter that the administration hired).

Another one bites the dust!!!!

By clark

March 24, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

I forgot to drop an Amen on that one^^ so that I can feel more Christian.

Amen.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

I said I would like to take care of your daughter and then apologized for it anyway. You might want to look at some of your comments before you throw stones, Mr. Glasshouse.

By Eric Deming

March 24, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Likes to Suck and then Lie about it

BS, and you know it. Its in the archives. Are you a politician? Because you lie like one.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

We are grateful to the soldiers who risked their lives to free Jim, Norman and Harmeet. As peacemakers who hold firm to our commitment to nonviolence, we are also deeply grateful that they fired no shots to free our colleagues

The Christian Peacemakers have finally thanked our military for rescuing them (after dissing them for occupying Iraq in their original statement).

I wonder if they are grateful about shots not being fired because they are opposed to firing shots under any circumstances, or because they might have been in the line of fire.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Well, let me go look in the “archives” and see what we can find:

By finch February 18, 2006 10:39 PM | Link to this bedwetter.bedwetterbedwetterbedwetter. Yup. Anyone who disagrees with you is homo. Or pinko. Or in a drunken stupor. A punka-s-s. A pus-sy. You are a profoundly inhuman excuse for a human being. bedwetterbedwetterbedwetter….

Is that what you are talking about?

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Do you have a hard time swimming in your KKK robes? Your view of Amerika is vintage 1930’s Germany. There is no room for anyone’s views but yours. You don’t want the state to interfere with you, but you want to use the state to introduce religion into public schools (those you don’t close down). You say you are willing to pay taxes, but don’t want the country to be fiscally sound.

You talk about entitlement programs, but you and your administration haven’t addressed Social Security or Medicare, even though the GOP has the votes to pass any legislation it wants over the objections of the Dems. Personally, I would love to have the government pay me every red cent of social security paid by me and my company.

Your hypocrite president seems to want illegal immigrants here….he has the power to do something about it (well, maybe not the WILLpower).

Andy, you raise your offspring your way. My daughter has a teaching degree from Kennesaw State, and my son is BS/MS from Ga Tech and both contribute to this country and humanity. And they had a liberal upbringing.

Where was your apology about my daughter? Was it sincere? I guess I missed it.

BD, google on state emlightenment. The ranking is based upon 12 metrics including crime, education, infant mortality, voting, etc. Like all such “rankings”, I’m sure it can be easily skewed.

By RE

March 24, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Christian Peacemakers

It is kind of in the name isn’t it. They believe that “Thou shalt not kill” did not have any footnotes or riders or signing statements.

You wouldn’t be intolerant of christians would you?

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Bed Wetter…who is your 4:38 post directed to? I didn’t know Finch was posting at this time.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Gosh, just like I said:

By Andy February 18, 2006 10:24 PM I’ll come by to help your daughter later, Sissy, after you fallen into a drunken stupor.

And, of course, you stupid POS liberals took it out of context:

By Andy February 18, 2006 09:58 PM N-GA: There is not a chance that you are a “multi millionare,” I know this sissy liberal game, you pinkos make up little titles for yourself so that you stand a chance in the world of debate. If I’m wrong, then why don’t you just take care of your daughter?

He’s a “millionaire” and unable to take care of his daughter, I was mocking him not her. And I apologized anyway.

Blow me, now I’m mocking you.

By Eric Deming

March 24, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Likes to Suck and then Lie about it

You have serious mental issues. Example

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

BD….I assume that you were being sarcastic about being glad Georgia wasn’t ranked #1 in gonorrhea….the ranking was done measuring cases per hundred thousand population. Being ranked #1 would be a good thing.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Well good. I’m glad they nipped that in the bud. Wouldn’t want any Jayson Blairs or Janet Cooks or Walter Durantys running around and fabricating stories out of whole cloth now would we?

From what I gather, some of you libs still believe Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times author, Walter Duranty.

(Here’s the plagiarism roundup for 2005)[http://www.regrettheerror.com/2005/12/2005_plagiarism.html]

By Eric Deming

March 24, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Likes to Suck and then Lie about it

Punk A.ss. I can’t believe you have the balls or lack thereof to post it and leave out the most Christian part of the issue. Sorry N-Ga for posting it, but I can’t take it when this guy gets all I’m better than everyone and wraps himself in religion to make it all good.

By Andy

February 18, 2006 10:24 PM | Link to this

I’ll come by to help your daughter later, Sissy, after you fallen into a drunken stupor. She needs a real man, anyway

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Well, is it good or bad to be 45th in gonorrhea?

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Hey Bed Wetter….please provide the quote where you apologize….follow it up with the quote where you determine that I don’t take care of my daughter….you are proving once again that you are an utter fool.

Bed Wetter, you are the fodder of levity on this blog.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

Let me try that again.

Here’s the plagiarism roundup for 2005

N-GA,

That I was being sarcastic is a brilliant deduction.

Now if this blog could ever get back to real time it would save us having to clarify posts as they cross in cyberspace.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Eric Demming,

Thanks too for leading us back to hijackers memory lane.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Hey Eric: I kind of thought this was between me and the Wanker. If you are going to contribute with your little pus-sy posts, you could at least be on time.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Hey Wanker: Last time I address you so enjoy it. I retract my apology, I did nothing to warrant giving you one. I was trying to be gracious before but now, since you are a vicious stupid piece of sh-it, I no longer feel that need. Blow me.

By getalife

March 24, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Do you ever read the hate you spew?

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

Happy hour….time for a Cognac (oui, that’s French brandy).

Why not have some constructive discussion about what is needed to improve the quality of Georgia education?

I believe that testing should be required for promotion to the next grade…PERIOD. And teachers should be measured by the results of their students’ scores….PERIOD. And teachers should be FIRED if their students consistently underachieve. And teachers should be FIRED if they defraud the system by claiming advanced degrees that were purchased through the mail or over the internet. And we need to find a way to hold parents accountable for their children’s truancy, excessive sick days (unless justified), failure to turn in assigned homework, disruptive behavior in school, etc. That’s a start.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

By RE

March 24, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Christian Peacemakers

It is kind of in the name isn’t it. They believe that “Thou shalt not kill” did not have any footnotes or riders or signing statements.

You wouldn’t be intolerant of christians would you?

I am intolerant of fools RE, and you and the “Peacemakers” qualify with flying colors.

Here’s a little link that Midori inspired me to find yesterday. Now read this and tell me how the Christian thing to do would have been to maintain the status quo.

If you don’t trust that source and want something more recent, try this

Maybe these ungrateful “peacemakers” should have read this before they went over there to complain about our “occupation”.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

getalife: Nobody asked you.

That hate that I spew, look at the timeline:

By N-GA February 18, 2006 09:28 PM RW, I’ll wager that if the bed wetter knocked up some drunken chick, you would support a women’s right to choose. Do you ignore him, or do you support his views?

Y’all libs are just little angels, aren’t you?

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Eric…thanks….I appreciate that. That just proves the utter hypocrisy of LS&L/Andy (aka: The Bed Wetter). Not only does he say he will kill you if you talk about his wife, he then talks about Christian values.

He has no credibility except with a few wing-nuts.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

There is an education blog that deals with this stuff right here at the AJC. If we wanted to participate in those sorts of discussions we could - over there.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

The hate that I spew, again, check the timeline:

By N-GA February 18, 2006 09:33 PM Hey Bed Wetter: From some people’s point of view, the government health care that ALMOST killed you failed the rest of us. When private healthcare is unavailable or unreachable, where does an American turn for healing?

By RE

March 24, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

“And teachers should be measured by the results of their students’ scores….PERIOD. And teachers should be FIRED if their students consistently underachieve”

Good idea, bad reality

Why would a good teacher go into a bad school if they have the possibility of being fired because of the kid’s performance. I know it sounds good and it feel right, but it does not work

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Did I just read that the Bed Wetter is NEVER going to address me again? My horoscope didn’t mention that this was going to be my lucky day. Of course, the Bed Wetter had to lie just one more time. He said he was retracting his apology. However, he never did apologize and is quitting this debate in shame.

Then he wants me to “blow” him? I have nothing against gays, but I am straight. Now that the Bed Wetter has come out of the closet, maybe some of you can help him by suggesting some gay blogs for newbies.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

And we need to find a way to hold parents accountable for their children’s truancy, excessive sick days (unless justified)

N-GA,

Georgia recently passed laws dealing with truancy and absences, so you are not blazing a trail with new ideas, just irritating this particular reader.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Well BD….since the topic of today’s ML cartoon is “really higher education”, perhaps there is a place for that discussion right here.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

There is an education blog that deals with this stuff right here at the AJC. If we wanted to participate in those sorts of discussions we could - over there

RE,

That was for you too.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

PLEASE go over to the education blog! It would be great for all of us.

By RE

March 24, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

It seemed so much more civil on the blog last night, I am fool now BD.

There are people out there who are pacifist and who do not believe in violence for any reason. Usually these beliefs are part of the judeo-christian tradition, biblically based(I think you said something about that before)

They are responsible for their actions, and the consequences as well. But don’t mock their religious beliefs

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

RE,

If that system were to begin during first grade, then students shouldn’t be allowed to advance unless they have shown that they are prepared. Then teachers wouldn’t be penalized by teaching at certain schools. They would be teaching students who have passed these tests.

The difficulty would be in implementing such a system now, in midstream, without knowing how prepared the current crop of students are. Your thoughts?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

The “Higher” referred to teaching The Bible in our schools. It was not asking for your views on education reform, nor was it about smoking crack - but you seem to be doing both.

By RW-(the original)

March 24, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

RE,

The blog always goes to hell in a handbasket when N-GA shows up.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

RE,

I don’t think it is mocking their religious beliefs. It is mocking their hypocrisy and stupidity.

And if they are responsible “for their consequences”, then why did they need to be rescued??

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

The Russian government collected intelligence from sources inside the American military command as the U.S. mounted the invasion of Iraq, and the Russians fed information to Saddam Hussein on troop movements and plans, according to Iraqi documents cited in a Pentagon report released Friday.

I just got a headache.

By Napo D

March 24, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, my lips hurt real bad. Will you bring me my chapstick?

By N-GA Is A Wanker

March 24, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

By Andy February 22, 2006 09:38 AM

N-GA, thanks for dropping by and showing everybody who starts the childish, immature name calling. That would be you:

By N-GA February 18, 2006 09:24 PM- RW, Anyone can comment….but I prefer to listen to someone speaking from an informed point of view….not someone like the bed wetter who lacks compassion, morals, and intelligence.

By N-GA February 18, 2006 09:28 PM- RW, I’ll wager that if the bed wetter knocked up some drunken chick, you would support a women’s right to choose.

By N-GA February 18, 2006 09:33 PM- Hey Bed Wetter: From some people’s point of view, the government health care that ALMOST killed you failed the rest of us.

You know what, I was wrong to even respond to you. I completely forgot that I am the adult here, you are the little foul mouthed child (Wanker), you won’t catch me making the same mistake twice.

Drive on, junior.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

RE,

I wasn’t mocking their religious beliefs. I was mocking their hypocrisy and stupidity.

If they are responsible for the consequences of their actions, then why did they need to be rescued???

Here’s a Conscientious Objector one can be justly proud of. Quite a contrast to the CPMs

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Wow BD,

You’ve succeeded in stating the obvious about the cartoon. As far as smoking crack, I’ve never been around it so I wouldn’t know what it’s like. But you seem to have first-hand knowledge. Is the crack you buy from Denmark?

The cartoon lampoons religion in public classrooms and illiteracy in Georgia (IMHO). The cartoon wasn’t asking my views on anything (or yours, for that matter). However, I believe this blog’s primary purpose is to allow discussion of the cartoon. When will you start doing that?

As far as Christian behavior, I suspect it has been a long time since you considered that on judgement day you will be found seriously lacking. No one would ever confuse you with a Christian woman.

By Conservatives Swallow

March 24, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

This “blog” has gone to hell ever since RW, Andy, Buy Danish, Redneck, and Pinko’s WN set up permanent shop. You need to get lives, seriously.

By Napo D

March 24, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

N-GA, don’t talk about my girlfriend that way! She may not be a good Christian woman, but she’s a um… pretty much the only woman that doesn’t hate me. So what if she’s clueless? GOSH! BD, I caught you a delicious bass.

By RE

March 24, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

n-ga,

It is tough to fix a mess when you are in the middle of it, thats for sure. I am with you on the testing for kids in order to graduate to the next level, it might get a little tricky with too many hands at the state level writing the tests, but it is better than nothing.

Without a doubt there are incompetant teachers out there, but I think they are in the minority, so I am not for the firing of teachers based upon student performance.

As a trial run, I would try out a few new magnet schools where the policy is that the parents have to sign a contract stating their commitment to their child’s education. I would enforce this with, and I know it sound crazy here, parental detentions. For example if the kid gets an F on a test, part of the signed contract would state that the parent would have to come in on saturday or sunday with the child to help study the material. If the parent decides not to come and breaks the contract, kick the kid out of the school. I figure if a parent had a consequence for his child’s failings, that parent would be more inclined to participate and make sure the kid did well.

By RW-(the original)

March 24, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Swallow,

That would be difficult since Andy and I have been on here since day one. So you are either wrong (something I’m sure you are very used to) or you think the blog has always sucked, yet you remain here six months later. What does that say about you?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

“Smoking crack” is an expression, like, “You must be smoking crack”.

I already commented on the cartoon. Here it is:

By Buy Danish

March 23, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Okay, I had to dispose of Local Hero first so I can get to the subject at hand and analyze the cartoon.

I’m thinking….

Hmmmmmm. Maybe ML is saying that people who choose to study the Bible are ignorant, illiterate, right-wing……. Christians?

Damn! If only Hillary lived in Georgia we could be portrayed as uber-educated, Jesus following elites.

As far as Judgement Day goes, I have faith that you will not be the one at the gates determining who passes the entrance exam.

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

“Noteworthy items mentioned in the unclassified IPP report include:

Saddam was more concerned about internal revolt than a coalition invasion; therefore bridges were not blown, oil fields were not torched, and the south was not flooded – all part of the inadequate and ineffective military planning done prior to the invasion.

Saddam and his inner circle believed their own propaganda

Military and ministry leaders lied to Saddam about the true state of their capabilities.

Iraq military capability was also eroded by irrelevant guidance from the political leadership, creation of “popular” militias, prominent placement of Saddam relatives and sycophants in key leadership positions, and an onerous security apparatus.”

How to operate a military: By Saddam Hussein

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Swallow,

If you don’t like what we have to say, there’s always that charming fella Napo D on your side.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

RE,

Your idea for parental detention is more than interesting. My wife has often said that she hated putting our children on restriction, because that meant she was also on restriction. In a way, your suggestion is similar.

When I was in the service, my CO said that the conduct of a soldier’s children was reflected in the soldier’s file (read: fitness report). While it didn’t seem fair, it certainly had a good result. IMHO, there were fewer instances of vandalism, truancy, on-base theft, etc. than there were off-base.

Since I’ve been away from the education system for so long, is the PTA still a serious participant in school activities? Has anyone ever correlated parent’s participation in PTA with their child’s performance in school?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

David U,

If you were one of the chorus complaining about how Bush didn’t use “diplomacy” with France, Germany and Russia, it is a good time to reconsider those views.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 24, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

Charlie Sheen usually does comedy on TV, where he currently stars on NBC’s “Two and a half Men.” But last week on Jones’s radio show he turned in a hysterical performance discussing whether the U.S. government is conspiring to cover up what happened on 9/11.

“Call me insane,” said Sheen, “but did it sort of look like those buildings came down in a controlled demolition?”

O.K. you’re insane, Charlie.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

CS….you forgot Semper Fi….he’s probably off shooting stray dogs

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

not relating to politics: “Two and a half Men” is on CBS not on NBC

Ok I feel better.

By DavidU

March 24, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

BD- My view is I don’t support the decision to invade/attack/colonize/liberate Iraq that this administration decided on. I support putting an IED up Osama’s rectum…. that I support. And if we were going to invade/attack/colonize/liberate then get everyone to back you (this is the diplomacy part) so you don’t end up taking care of this new wannabe Puerto Rico (with more needs and issues) by yourself.

If someone shoots me in the leg, I want to get back at THAT guy, I don’t go after his estranged cousin who lives two states over. And ignore the guy who shot me…..But that’s just me.

By N-GA

March 24, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

Hey Bed Wetter….you still there?

I wrote comments about you and yes, they are still true. I never attacked your wife or children. They are not at fault for the pathetic cretin that you are.

You, however attacked me through my daughter. Then you said you would kill anyone who slandered yours. That makes you a HYPOCRITE !!!!!

Then you said you apologized to me. But you can’t retrieve any post where you apologized. That makes you a LIAR!!!!!

Now, I suppose you will fail in your resolve never to address me again. Oh well. You are so weak.

Support our troops!!! Impeach Bush!!

By getalife

March 24, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

DU,

Why didn’t I think of that?

Actually, I did but you wrote it very well.

By @@

March 24, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

N-GA:

It would appear as though very few people here, liberals & conservatives don’t appreciate your presence. You know how I feel, I’ve made it clear before.

You really haven’t improved much, though I see your attempts to try. When you try to be humorous, you attract flies, gnats, trolls.

Let me give you, the supposed father of a disabled child, an example of those you attract with your humor. And then you award them with your overbloated grandeur (Jabba):

By clark

March 22, 2006 03:46 PM

@@ ; Have you heard of this site

These are your kinda people.

Let’s not forget JC who on Eric’s last link I believe, came in behind you. He ridiculed my profession (Special Education) claiming that special education teachers were rejects from regular teaching positions. That they could only get a position if they agreed to coach volleyball and clean toilets as well.

You attract these kind of gnats N-GA, while LS&L, BD, R.W., SemperFi (others) attract the AntiRadicals, REs, Washington State’s, DavidU’s, Finch’s.

Take a look at the company you keep. They define you.

By Scooter

March 24, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

Yup, Saddam should be back in power and the noble UN should still be threatening paper cuts through their umpteenth Resolution.

By Midori

March 24, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

anyone watching Lou Dobbs?

Now Bush wants to outsource port security to China.

Yes, China.

The moron.

By I Don't Respond To Wankers

March 24, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

You know what, I was wrong to even respond to you. I completely forgot that I am the adult here, you are the little foul mouthed child (Wanker), you won’t catch me making the same mistake twice.

A wanker is an idiot or an unpleasant person.

wank·er (wngkr) n. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang 1. A person who masturbates. 2. A detestable person

By Testing

March 24, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

Test 1 @ 7:30pm

By testing

March 24, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this

test 2

By @@

March 24, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

RE:

I’ve always thought that Magnet schools were a good idea as well. The problem is consistent funding.

By finch

March 24, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

NBC says the Iraq invasion data given to Saddam by the Russians was not from an agent inside the US military, but from communications intercepts.

NBC News’ Jim Miklaszewski reported Friday that military investigators found no evidence of spies or moles at the headquarters. It is believed the Russians received their information via electronic eavesdropping…

I still have a headache, but now it’s not so bad.

By RE

March 24, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

@@, the basic problem is, who would vote for higher property taxes. Or, if your city council raised taxes on your property, would you reelect them. More money does not make the schools better, but they do need some type of budget to make them run. An idea like having parental responsibility would only work in a large school district like metro atlanta and then spread out from there (maybe 1 magnet school per 5 no magnet). I think that the qualification should not be need based or achievment based, if you only pick the best or worst you will not have an accurate idea of if the school is working or not. If after a few years, the idea looks like it is working, start converting the other public schools to the magnet set up and work from there. I think magnet schools would wind up being higher performing.

By Jay not jay

March 24, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

Education in Georgia is failiing because of the slack a* parents. Quit blaming the teachers, quit blaming the principals, it has to begin at the root and that is with the parents. Teachers don’t want to be baby sitters. They want to teach and enrich these kids. But, when you don’t get the support of the parents and you are left to babysit someone’s brat with no recourse, how can you teach it?

By WashingtonState

March 24, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

I sent my kids to Catholic grade and middle schools because I wanted them to have that experience and background. They went to public high schools. I didn’t notice a whole lot of difference in the quality of education or the kind of people they were exposed to. I did notice that parents were more involved in their children’s education in the Catholic schools and more involved with their sports in public high school (particularly football and basketball.) There were good and bad teachers in both systems. Most of the teachers cared about their students. A few didn’t. Most were decent people. None were rich. As for whether government intervention makes for good or bad students, look at the countries that are whipping our a**es in math, engineering, and science. They all have school systems that are run by the government.

By Jay not jay

March 24, 2006 09:48 PM | Link to this

WS, they aren’t kicking are a’ss because of their government schools. They kicking are a’ss because they are disciplined.

By finch

March 24, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

RE,

I’ve read lots of stuff, but seen little action on proposals to overhaul the way taxes fund public schools. The traditional property tax system has always been problematical, and it’s more now today than ever, with wildly fluctuating property values, to say nothing of assessments, changing the funding picture constantly. Then there’s the rich town/county versus poor town/county inequity.

It’s more than I (or anyone else) can tackle on this blog. Someday, though, the spit will hit the shan on this issue. There must be a simple solution somewhere.

And I’ll go along with what you say, Jandj… there are some rotten teachers around, and the teacher’s unions could be more helpful. School district bureaucracies are top heavy with assistant paper pushers. But parents have been abdicating their responsibilities. That’s a serious problem. Too many are good at complaining, but not much else. Stop me, please, before I go into a “back when I was a kid” mode….

By WashingtonState

March 24, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay,

I agree with you. The point is that the main factor in how students do is not whether government runs the schools or not.

By RW-(the original)

March 24, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

I already beat this dead horse too long last night, but one difference is that our government schools are too busy with condom/cucumber practice where some of the other government run school systems in countries that you describe are strictly teaching subject matter.

So I get your premise that the problem isn’t as simple as the government running the schools. It’s the quality in which they do it and for the most part ours are pathetic.

I’m going to join finch now in escaping this conversation before I start with those same “back in my day” stories. See y’all on another thread.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 10:36 PM | Link to this

David U,

I’m not sure what your response had to do with whether or not it was possible to use diplomacy with the help of the coalition of the bribed:

France, Germany, Russia (and probably a few moles in Britain)

Remember, all the criticism was that Bush was a cowboy, that he didn’t have the effete diplomatic skills of John Effing Kerry, that he rushed to war (that is the overstatement of all time).

My point was, in light of additional information that Russia may have been passing our war strategy on to Saddam, is it possible that it was impossible to have a diplomatic solution? I’m not really debating here whether or not it was the right thing to do.

Note that I have just read the NBC version of how Saddam got advance notice of war plans, and I think that the last paragraph is laughable:

*“The largest contributing factor to the complete defeat of Iraq’s military forces was the continued interference by Saddam,” the report said.”

Right Jim. If not for Saddam’s ineptitude the U.S. forces would surely have suffered a big defeat. Just like the Republican Guard VS. the U.S in the Gulf War.

By @@

March 24, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

So you are all in agreement! Lack of discipline and parental participation (a compounding problem) is to blame. Now consider this.

RE: I would love to see magnet schools given a chance. A group has tried to start one in my county. They already had a long waiting list for enrollment. The local school board (top heavy & overpaid) made it very difficult. I’m not sure they were ever able to launch the school.

Something that our school district has implemented is an alternative school. Not necessarily for behavior problems, but rather for those kids who just can’t achieve in public school for various reasons. We all know that those kids exist sometimes through no fault of their own or through lack of parental guidance. Flexible hours, in-school childcare, vocational training and GED diplomas will be offered along with standard high school curriculum. I am excited to see how it will work out. It will also be beneficial, in that it will remove distractions from those children in public school who are there to learn.

It almost seems to duplicate segregation, but nowadays it crosses racial boundaries. I think the intent is good. We’ll see.

Off to bed!

By WashingtonState

March 24, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

Here’s a question that I think this forum of troglodytes is particularly suited to answer. If a vaccine is offered that would prevent most cases of cervical cancer, would you allow your child to get it? The virus is spread by sexual intercourse and one particularly rabid doctor I know thinks it would encourage sexual activity among teens to offer this vaccine. What’s the forum’s take on this?

By WashingtonState

March 24, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

Here’s a question that I think this forum of troglodytes is particularly suited to answer. If a vaccine is offered that would prevent most cases of cervical cancer, would you allow your child to get it? The virus is spread by sexual intercourse and one particularly rabid doctor I know thinks it would encourage sexual activity among teens to offer this vaccine. What’s the forum’s take on this?

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

The other side of the Washington Post plagiarism story, from Ben Domenech himself. After reading this, experienced bloggers may understand why I tend to believe him:

The hate mail that I have received since the launch of this blog has been overwhelmingly profane and violent. My family has been threatened; my friends have been deluged; my phone has been prank called. The most recent email that showed up while writing this post talked about how the author would like to hack off my head, and wishes my mother had aborted me.

But in the course of accusing me of racism, homophobia, bigotry, and even (on one extensive Atrios thread) of having a sexual relationship with my mother, the leftists shifted their accusations to ones of plagiarism. You can find the major examples here: I link to this source only because I believe it’s the only place that hasn’t yet written about how they’d like to rape my sister

NO! Say it ain’t so! Liberals don’t behave this way. Do they?

By finch

March 24, 2006 10:52 PM | Link to this

The way I read Miklaszewski’s report, US officials were expecting a long, difficult struggle with Saddam’s much vaunted Republican Guards, and were shocked when they wilted like so much toilet paper.

Jim’s highly regarded at the Pentagon, BTW. He gets his best stories there because of that.

By @@

March 24, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this

Washington State:

This one is too tempting not to answer with a question. Could I give it to my child without telling her what it is for? I’m a conservative realist.

Guys like RE out there looking for cheap dates would concern a mother. Just kidding.

I’ll have to read your response in the morning. Now I’m off to bed.

By RW-(the original)

March 24, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

If you actually wanted an answer, why would you start by insulting anyone that might choose to answer your hypothetical question?

By finch

March 24, 2006 11:17 PM | Link to this

@@, that’s a fine answer to WS’s query. You have a future as a diplomat.

BD, the people who crudely dumped on Domenech aren’t representative of mainstream moderate liberals, anymore than radical freeper flamers represent reasonable conservatives. You should know better than to slime like that. But plagarism is plagarism, and it’s a shame he was careless in his youth. I’m a chronic Washington Post reader (the result, I guess, of getting the real thing in DC for so many years), and the site’s losing a bright, highly opinionated (which is good) sparkplug of a writer. I hope his sucessor measures up.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:18 PM | Link to this

RW,

I’ll respond to you since we are in the quartet and not trogs.

Does anyone really think that there is a girl on this planet who has ever said to herself, particularly in the throes of passion:

“I can’t have sex with him - I might get cervical cancer.”

In short, I would insist that my daughter get it.

finch,

US officials were expecting a long, difficult struggle with Saddam’s much vaunted Republican Guards, and were shocked when they wilted like so much toilet paper

Deja vu all over again.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:25 PM | Link to this

the people who crudely dumped on Domenech aren’t representative of mainstream moderate liberals

finch,

Cindy Sheehan, ANSWER, Michael Moore, blah blah blah are all anomalies? You keep telling me this and accusing me of slander and slime, but all I have to do is read this blog to know that you are the exception and not the rule.

Futher, just ask Horowitz, Coulter, et al how they are met on college campi.

I think you are in denial, but please don’t shoot the messenger.

By WashingtonState

March 24, 2006 11:30 PM | Link to this

@@,

You could tell your daughter whatever you wanted. And good for you.

RW,

This is not really a hypothetical question. The vaccine will be available soon. As for the troglodyte part, this is the largest gathering of them that I know who aren’t completely nuts. I figured I would check out the reactions and get some honest answers. If you find that apellation insulting, come out into the light.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:34 PM | Link to this

Must be time for bed - Make that “fuRther”. Dangerously close to Fuhrer that time.

New cartoon and I commented first this time.

By RW-(the original)

March 24, 2006 11:37 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Every left wing nut job is an anomaly, but every goofy thing Pat Robertson says is completely in line with the monolithic thinking on the right.

I would have had my daughter take this magical drug WashingtonState is offering too. Of course I would do it with the full knowledge that John “Silky Pony” Edwards was lurking around the next corner to sue WS into oblivion for some mythical problem with the vaccine.

New toon, btw. I bet even the “why aren’t you talking about ml’s beautiful artwork?” crowd will be happy to go off topic on this one.

By Buy Danish

March 24, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this

RW,

Good. Now I can tell finch to stop slandering me!

By finch

March 25, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

What do Domenech and the Dixie Chicks have in common?

It’s certainly not their politics But they both got death threats from loose cannons.

Now, the last time I checked, Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore weren’t personally threatening to kill anyone. I do put them in the same category as Pat Robertson, another loony who is not representative of the party he claims he belongs to. As for ANSWER? Don’t make me laugh. Name a single public figure (B list celebrities and Maxine Waters don’t count) who endorses them?

By BobR

March 25, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Shouldn’t that be:

“Another subject on which we’re performing poorly”?… LOL

By TNTIrish

March 27, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Did any of you neo-Christians think that you haven’t thought of which Bible is to be used? Perhaps the Bible of our Jewish brethren would be best, you see it is only 4 books of the old testament.

Not only is the bill silly, it is so flawed a first year law student can see it is unconstitutional and will only cost money to defend in court.

By pauly

March 28, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this

The school kid mis-spelling in class is common in todays class room unlike in the past.Sure we mis-spelled but learned to correct and learn from our mistakes.Todays indoctrination on STUPID takes president.By the time the kids graduate they are queer or a steer and easily lead.Americanism is not acceptable in American class rooms.So by the time the teachers are done with you…you actually may beleive that everwhere else and everybody else except Americans is better than you or the greatest country in the worlds history,the United States of America.Good cartoon!

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