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By Semper FI

March 17, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

Confusing:

Right now, we have one guy saying one thing. Then the other guy says something else. Who to believe. Let me see; have I got this straight?

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good… Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad…

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good… Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad…

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good… Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad…

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good… Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad…

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good… Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad…

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good… Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad…

No mass graves found in Serbia - good… No WMD found Iraq - bad…

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good… Economy on upswing under Bush - bad…

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good… World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad…

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good.. Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad…

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good… Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad…

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good… Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad…

Milosevic not yet convicted - good… Saddam turned over for trial - bad…

Ah, it’s so confusing!

By Testing

March 17, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this

Testing 123

By DavidU

March 17, 2006 11:28 PM | Link to this

Funny!

By Jay not jay

March 17, 2006 11:32 PM | Link to this

Sally soothsayers sells seashells by the seashore. Say that 3 time in a row…

By Objective Observer

March 17, 2006 11:37 PM | Link to this

JayNot: Or “She slits sheets on a big sheet slitter.”

By Jay not jay

March 17, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this

How much wood could a wood chuck, chuck, if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

By Objective Observer

March 17, 2006 11:47 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

I was not insisting that you use the Dylan quote on your site. I was just insisting that you see things my way like everybody else here wants you to see things their way. I just wanted to see what it would be like from the other side.

It was unexplored territory for me.

By Objective Observer

March 17, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Chuck Chuck Bo Buck Bonana Fana Fo F*** Fe Fi Fo Muk……Chuuuuuuucccccckkkk!!

Goodnight JayNot!!!

By Objective Observer

March 17, 2006 11:58 PM | Link to this

Goodnight nobody!!! @@ @@ @@ — — — — — zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

By Jay not jay

March 18, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

Night OO, cheers, and another Bass goes down. RW, I see they are catching Bass for you and others lately. They just have read “Mommy is a Democrat”

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 12:46 AM | Link to this

Well there certainly seems to have been a party going on in here since way before this lame effort from the scribbler showed up. How did you guys do that?

OO,

Maybe I’ll put your 11:58 up next.

By JJG

March 18, 2006 12:49 AM | Link to this

Don’t you just love it when someone tries to make a point but then screws up the details, and hopes that no one will catch their lie.

Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad…

Every estimate I’ve found, including the one by the CBO, puts the current costs at around $250 billion, with no end in sight. Even if we’re out of there in three years the cost will likely be between $500 and $700 billion dollars. I even saw one estimate on total economic impact at $2 trillion dollars!!

You’re only off by a factor of three though, which isn’t too bad for the current brand of Republican!

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 12:58 AM | Link to this

Don’t you just love it when someone tries to call someone else a liar, but in the process admits it was just a screw up and leaves out a pertinent fact them self.

JJG, Semper Fi didn’t say that was the totality of the cost, only that Dems b-itched about that amount. One of them even ran for President being alternately for and against that expenditure.

By DavidU

March 18, 2006 01:02 AM | Link to this

RW - Great, you bring up baseball and the Cubs and now you have to talk about Kerry. Why must you bring up all the PAIN! :)

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 01:08 AM | Link to this

DavidU,

I didn’t bring up Gore..oops sorry ;-)

By Liberal Texas Democrat

March 18, 2006 06:46 AM | Link to this

Commenting on the cartoon, good cartoon.

By Souldrift

March 18, 2006 07:05 AM | Link to this

I’m trying to figure out what most of Semper’s comparisons have to do with the photo.. the comparison that came to mind here concerned the Dept’ of Homeland Security: putting resources into airport security = good, while failing to put resources into port security = bad. Why all the Clinton bashing, dude?

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By Semper Fi

March 18, 2006 07:21 AM | Link to this

I had to bash Clinton because I have no personal relationships in my life and nothing to do at 11:00 on a Friday night. I already finished reading (which means looking at the pictures) in my soldier of fortune magazine and the people below me complain if I start playing with my Chinese throwing stars that late.

By DavidU

March 18, 2006 07:29 AM | Link to this

Year in review

By Jhdies

March 18, 2006 07:32 AM | Link to this

Clinton has brain and used it effectively. Bush…well, we all know the difference. I like idiots—I just don’t think they should be in charge. It creates disaster after disaster that someone else will have to clean up.

By Eric

March 18, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

All the talk about homeland security emanating from the right is just talk. It’s like everything else, they say what they think people want to hear, but that’s as far as it goes. The public is stupid, gullable and ill-informed. That’s what got Bush into office and that’s what’s kept him there. Maybe, just maybe, that free ride is about to come to a screeching halt.

By getalife

March 18, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Carey: I actually get hit on more in Washington DC, by Republicans that are drunk than I do by porno fans in Vegas.

Those good old Christian family values. Love thy neighbor?

By AntiRadical

March 18, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Without digressing to Bush/Clinton bashing this toon addresses the concomitant problems of “security” vs “open trade”. Do we open and inspect every single piece of portage coming into our country? Even if we could, the additional cost of providing this level of security would pretty much block us out of global markets via the uncompetitive cost structure that would be needed to pay for the inspections. Do we truely have any other choice than to accept the notion that absolute security can only be provided in an Orwellian society? Are we then willing to discard our free society in order to provide for these ever increasing levels of security?

“A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither”-Thomas Jefferson

By getalife

March 18, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

OBL is probably with the same old Taliban but moved into Pakistan. Not much has changed for him but a new country where they have set up shop with Omar.

Good toon, showing our lack of security here.

By Socialist Democrat

March 18, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Eric,

You are correct. The neo-conservatives suckered the millions of WalMart Republicans into voting for them because they were successful in convincing them that the Republicans had a lock on the moral perspective. Of course, those Walmart Republicans are too dense to realize that the neocons’ goals are not in their best interests. Poor people? Much worse off with this administration. Education? Retirement? Cost of living? All have been undermined. But that’s what you get when you vote on “faith,” more accurately described as ignorance.

The Republicans “values” approach has proven to be nothing more than a facade. It got them in power and now they show their corruption by selling their votes, making strategic decisions based on lining the pockets of the upper-echelon, and committing felony after felony. Yes, sounds like they are full of values, just not the right ones. We have been isolated from and are despised by the rest of the world, as a nation we’re being pushed towards bankruptcy, our soldiers are dieing needlessly, and the middle class are having an increasingly difficult time.

The majority of the people on this planet, including 66% of Americans see the administration for what it is, a corrupt incompetent embarrassment. The rightwing turnips on this site are part of the ever-dwindling minority who sadly will still attempt to defend the indefensible. Pathetic.

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

Good posts, last night and this morning. Got me off to a fast start today.

Sorry you couldn’t play with your Chinese throwing stars last night. I guess we all have to sacrifice a little.

I’d give you an encouraging quote from Thomas Jefferson but he is still asleep.

By JJG

March 18, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Don’t you just absolutely love it when some knucklehead jumps in to defend his buddy, whose just been caught in a lie, and then tries unsuccessfully to put a spin on the original lie to make it seem like it’s not?!!

For you other slow to catch on GOP lovers, let’s look at the intennded implications of SF’s original remarks. He wants people who don’t read so well to believe that the total cost of the Serbian campaign was $77 billion (the original lie) but fails to note that he’s trying to compare that with a partial cost in Bush’s fiasco. (the second lie).

BTE, Semper, I found the site you plagarized your silly quotes from and, not at all surprisingly, you edited out the really pertinent parts that didn’t agree with your failed “analysis”. Here’s the part of the article that you “forgot” to include:

*The cost of the war in the Balkans during the Clinton administration appears to have been far less than “77 billion.” Clinton at first asked Congress for “6 billion” to wage the war from April to Dec 1999. Even a conservative commentator admits that the cost of the war in the Balkans under Clinton amounted to $15 billion, not “77 billion”: “What about Clinton-led incursions in Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzegovina? Intervention in the Balkans during the ’90s cost the United States about $15 billion.”

For additional views of the costs see Congressman Duncan’s Remarks From The Congressional Record AIR WAR AGAINST SERBIA March 27, 2000 Source: www.house.gov/duncan/floor106/fs000327airwar.html

And it was not a unilateral war like Bush’s invasion of Iraq. It was a coalition fought war, and the NATO coalition also supported rebuilding costs.

Furthermore, U.S. casualties were either extremely low, or nonexistant.*

Here’s the entire article: [http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/articles/bush_clinton.html]

Yes, SF, a stupid analogy, and yes, RW, too bad for you to try the typical GOP cover up. Enjoy your crow, boys!

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Socialist Dick,

Hey, what’s the name of that book which taught you all about WalMart Republicans? Was it this one?

I may change my “screen name” to Big Bad Elephant.

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

And it was not a unilateral war like Bush’s invasion of Iraq. It was a coalition fought war, and the NATO coalition also supported rebuilding costs.

It is a LIE to say that the Iraq War is a unilateral undertaking.

Moreover, if only Milosevic had figured out a way to bribe the other NATO countries, that wouldn’t have been much of a coalition either.

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Please don’t change your name to Big Bad Elephant. Think of all the explaining you will have to do.

You are not insulting Africa with “Bad Elephant”. You don’t live in a zoo. Elephants don’t shop at WalMart(only at BIG Lots). The list goes on.

OH, the fog! The fog! On little liberal feet, it comes rolling in. (Do I need to reference that?)

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

JJG,

I’m double-posting this because I don’t want anyone to miss this gem. Pardon the bold shouting type:

By JJG

March 17, 2006 11:20 PM

BD, So let me get this straight, the reason you now admire Denmark, even though you apparently know absolutely nothing about the place, as evidenced by your deafening lack of response to any of the salient points, is because you think you’re making a point about Islamofascism? Obtuse and dim-witted to say the least…

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2006 10:29 AM

Only 22 MILLION links to Buy Danish available here

And here’s a fun image search result

And just in case you’d like a Buy Danish LOGO, look here

OBTUSE? DIM-WITTED? Only to a clueless ignoramus like you JJG!

By candide

March 18, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

The GOP has allowed itself to be taken over by rednecks and bibliolatrous idiots. Just like Dubya.

By SS&S

March 18, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

JJG-SemperFi’s post was a joke. I got the same one in my e-mail about two years ago. I guess humor escapes “the hysterical”.

You may want to put a codicil in your will asking that the mortician put a couple of extra stitches in the corners of your mouth to give it an upturn. It’s called a smile. Something used in appreciation of humor.

Life, in general, must really suck for you since you appreciate only the negative aspects of your existence. And you enjoy sharing it everytime you preface your posts with the “You are right (insert negative posters name here.)”

By Carl Sandburg

March 18, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Hi Dusty!

Thanks for plugging my poem:

*THE fog comes
on little cat feet.

It sits looking
over harbor and city
on silent haunches
and then moves on*

Not a bad metaphor for Islamofascism either.

By Ricky

March 18, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

I love how Dems on here assume the only reason Bush won was because the 55 million people that voted for him were just dense. I think I have seen that in three posts already today. Did you ever consider that Gore and Kerry were both really bad candidates. Bush isn’t that great. He is a big government Republican, not a true conservative. That has become painfully obvious over the past six years. However, he did do a better job of selling himself to the American people than Gore or Kerry did. Here is where the Democratic Party has gone wrong. They haven’t learned that you are more succussful running someone outside of Washington(Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and Bush). As a party they became fascianted with polls during the Clinton years. So instead of taking principled positions they go with what they think the most people will like. Clinton talks about doing this all the time. You can say what you want about Bush, at least he sticks to his principles.

By Jay not jay

March 18, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Ricky, good to see you back.

By Objective Observer

March 18, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

No exit east, west, north or south. I’m trapped by the race traffic. I hate these weekends.

By JJG

March 18, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Dr SS, SemperFi’s post was a joke Boy, is there a whole boatload of possibilities in that clever statement! Perhaps people laugh at his and your writings because they’re sad and demented, but certainly not because they’re funny!

What an astute, free “pyscho”analysis though! If you have a day job, I wouldn’t give it up soon. Nor should you uber-angry right wingers try stand up comedy. Can you give even one example on a truly funny right-winger of any note?

Now go a way, before I taunt you a second time!

By Carl Sandburg

March 18, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

OO,

Here’s some trivia for you while you’re stuck. The word NEWS comes from North, East, West, South…

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

The Democrats have allowed themselves to be taken over by jackals and jack-a-s-s-e-s. Just like candide.

By SS&S

March 18, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

JJG-Uber-angry right wingers??? Look up ^^^.

I see 12:49A.M., 7:05A.M., 7:32A.M., 8:42A.M., 9:41A.M., 9:55A.M., & 12:58A.M. And most before breakfast. Go to bed angry, wake up angry!!!

Face it dude, you were inspired to be an a-sshole by a joke. You missed it!!! You analyzed a joke!!! What a waste of your time and ours!!!

The right-wingers and some moderates have put you and yours to shame when it comes to humor.

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Well, JJG, looking for a funny right-winger of any note, this MIGHT pass for one that made a lot of left-wingers howl with laughter.

While fully supporting President Bush as a fine president, Zell Miller said that he was a Democrat.

I’m quite fond of Zell. He’s a Republican at heart and a Democrat by some stretch of past politics. Now that is true balance! Something that Luckovich is too timid to even try.

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I wonder if Candide is in Paris, pitchfork in hand?

By Objective Observer

March 18, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Hey!!! If Buy Danish gets to change her name to “Big Bad Elephant”. Then I get to change mine to @@ ^^^. It’s official.

N-GA can now feel free to stalk me under my new name, but he will never be able to rob me of what is mine “my consent”.

The race traffic however has robbed me of my mobility, but I am determined to get groceries today, it just may take awhile!!!

By SS&S

March 18, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

JJG-By the way, I’m glad you took some right-winger’s advice and began to insert paragraph breaks into your long-winded, “I got nothing to offer but Bush bashing” statements.

See right-wingers do have an impact.

I’m outta here, but not because of your threats against my rights to free speech!!! In the famous words of some Republican “Hasta la vista baby” and “I’ll be back”.

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Candide wouldn’t be in Paris. Too dangerous with all those crazy critters burning cars and protesting.

Candide is probably in Australia with pitchfork in hand, protesting and carousing. All the BIG mean sharks are out in the ocean in Australia, not running around on the streets like the ones in France.

By Jay not jay

March 18, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I think turnip sandwiches are in order for everyone! Bring ‘em out on a silver platter, yum:) Pass it around.

By Objective Observer

March 18, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

The Democratic party has allowed themselves to hamstrung by the extreme left, and their constituents have done nothing to stop the disgrace. And they call conservatives “victims”?????

Now if they were ever to offer a true democrat like Zell………………….!!!

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Ah, Jay not jay,

So glad to find another culinary connoisseur! Come on over. I’ll have the turnip sandwiches on the silver platter. Then I will break out the Manischevitz.

We’ll have to invite RW ‘cause he DOES love Manischevitz. I wouldn’t want to hurt his feelings.

By Objective Observer

March 18, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

What about the rhutabagas?? Then we would all have what’s necessary to repeat ourselves against the same “repetitive** arguments of the left.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

I’ll have the butter bean sandwich with merlot please. What kind of whine should we keep on hand for JJG?

By @@

March 18, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Sorry, I forgot my new name, @@. Repeat my last post. Repeat, Repeat, “Repeat.*

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

JJG,

Aren’t you embarrassed to be here? You may want to consider a name change, because you have made a complete fool of yourself.

If you need help with a new pseudonym, I can help. Just post an S.O.S. and I’ll come to your rescue. Nothing too obtuse or dimwitted, I promise.

Wait - I have it! How about “Chuckles the Clown”?

By finch

March 18, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

OO,

I sympathize with your traffic headache. Maybe you can trade with race fans. Food and beer in return for parking spots in your yard? Just an idea…

More food for thought:

Iraq’s Insurgents: Who’s Who

All the factions here in the debate over Operation Iraqi Freedom will see something in this article to buttress their arguments.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Big Bad Elephant,

Maybe he likes his real initials.

By @@

March 18, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

finch:

Please address me by my new name, @@. And here I got the impression that you were against capitalism.

I’m not that close. It would be quite a hike for race fans. But thanks for the idea!!

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

Welcome Jay not Jay, @@, B B ella, and RW,

Come on in. I have now added rhutabaga canapes. They are better than that pickled octopus I once tried. But, RW, what is merlot? Thought that he was a magician.

Oh yeah, JJG aka “Chuckles the Clown”—- I have some crow in the freezer for him. Put it there when he tried to run us down with his BIG tarnished chrome paragraphs. Should I invite him?

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Can I come to your party? I’ll just be the elephant in the room - all I need is some peanuts and a pitcher of vodka martinis and I’ll be happy.

P.S. I know its rude to invite oneself to a party, but I figured that you didn’t know how to get in touch with me.

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

OO,

Yes, Zell is a great example of a real Democrat. It is no wonder that a senile old coot who says one thing one day and another the next is your idea of a real candidate. This is the same guy who challenged a newscaster to a duel through the TV set. I think because you work with the mentally disabled all day you are no longer able to tell the difference between someone who is lucid and someone who is not. But you still think Bush has some semblance of intelligence, so go figure. Oh yeah, I’m so glad you shared with all of us about traffic and groceries. Is that how you keep your students engaged, with mundane stories about the exciting life you lead?

By finch

March 18, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

Dear @@,

@@ it is, then! And I’ve got nothing against entrepreneurs!

By Democrats are Godless

March 18, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

Bush is great! Bush is good! Bush is great! Bush is good! Bush is great! Bush is god! Bush is great! Bush is god! Bush is great! Bush is God! Bush is great! Bush is GOD! If all you stinkin kiddie porn lovin liberal commie pinkos would put down your crack pipes, take your weiners out of each others rears, and pray every now and then, we wouldn’t have to worry about anything. GOD favors the righteous, the Republican majority.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

JJG,

While you should be embarrassed to be here, I must let you in on a secret. I’m embarrassed to be me. Yes, I’m a wicked, menopausal hag whose only pleasure is to harass liberals on this site night and day with my right wing cultist beliefs. I’m so ashamed, as well I should be.

By JJG

March 18, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Dr SS, I’m glad you took some right-winger’s advice and began to insert paragraph breaks I am so glad you’re glad, Oh master of minutiae! Try to remember, son, substance, not sytle! And still more rib-tickling fun: The right-wingers and some moderates have put you and yours to shame when it comes to humor. What?!!! Any examples? Those barrel-o-laughs Coulter, Liddy, Miller and Hannity must keep you in stitches! Now go away, or I will taunt you a third time. (with apologies to Monty Python, poetic license taken)

By @@

March 18, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Well it would appear as though little @@ has once again been successful in provoking the weak-minded. It is sooooo very easy.

Dusty: That magician was “Merlin” and I love to read books about the “Roundtable”, valiant knights, and the support that Merlin offered in their endeavors.

By Big Bad Elephant (The original)

March 18, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Dusty (The Original),

If Chuckles comes and I come to, we would have the ingredients to remake the funniest episode in television history.

Poor Chuckles. Splat.

RW (The Original),

He very well could be French.

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Oh dear, the jackers are after my name at 3:01. I thought they were all out protesting but I guess not. Those liberals got to have something to do.

Big Bad elephant, you are always invited to my parties. ( I had addressed you as B B ella.)I would serve you a barrel of vodka martinis but all I have is Manischevitz. Sorry! Pleae come anyway. Zell will feed you peanuts.

By Big Bad Elephant (The original)

March 18, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

JJG (the new Chuckles),

There is nothing as funny as you.

By Jay not jay

March 18, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Dusty, cool, I’ll bring some of those mini pimento cheese sandwiches. Whatever we don’t finish can be given to Sadamm or the wanker here, with a chaser of turnip, as we can watch him wretch his guts out as he tries to force them down. I’ll bring the Chilean Merlot with it’s fine tar aftertaste to finish it off.

And to the wanker, as Chuckles the Clown once said, “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.”

By @@

March 18, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

JJG:

I realize that you weren’t addressing me, but rather SS&S.

I, for one, have always supported substance over style. If you will look back though, it is the liberals who will address the trivialities of grammar, rather than debate a substantive issue. Maybe you should talk to them. SS&S is very obviously a wing-nut by your definition.

By Buy Danish (The original)

March 18, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

LLG,

Scroll up to this for some original right wing humor. (I don’t have a blog, so I’ll just pimp my post^^^^^^^):

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2006 10:50 AM

By @@

March 18, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

JayNot:

Maybe “Sodapants” has returned, ya think???

By BIg Bad Elephant (The original)

March 18, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

Thanks Dusty (the original)!

I’ll lumber right on over. I’ll bring my own keg of martinis. I’m a beast of burden -I’m made for delivering cocktails. By the time I arrive they should be nicely shaken.

I’ll wear a red carnation so you know who I am. Can’t wait to meet you all!

Is Chuckles coming?

By Buy Danish (The original)

March 18, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

@@,

In all fairness, I can be pretty hard on liberals when they write so badly that I can’t find any “substantive issues” amidst all the cluttered prose.

I have particularly low tolerance for mixed metaphors and an absence of punctuation.

By @@

March 18, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Maybe we could ask Getalife to pass out some of his “brilliant awards” (sarc) to the jackers. But then I would never ask Getalife to compromise himself. I love him far too much to do that.

Notice how I had to include my (sarc) note to boost the liberals brain-power or lack thereof.

The sun is out!!! I must enjoy!!!

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Finch,

So nice of you to keep us informed about Iraqi insurgents. As was said on your link ,they are a fragmented disorganized collection. Seems like they are fired up by fundamentalist muslim teachings or by plain hate.

We are fortunate to have the American soldier who volunteered to serve when the country called. I’ll praise them every time over hate and Muslim terrorism.

You would too, wouldn’t you, finch? Just checking.

By Buy Danish (The original)

March 18, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

RW (The Original)

Hope you don’t mind my using (The Original) today. Trying to stay one step ahead of the wankers.

By Jay not jay

March 18, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

@@, That would be funny, maybe we can have a turnip sandwich eating contest between sodapants, midori and the wankers to see who has the biggest cajones.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish (The Original),

I certainly don’t mind, but you’ve modified it from it’s ..err.. original form. You see it should Big Bad Elephant-(the original). Better yet would be RW-(the original).

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay,

All of them put together couldn’t keep up with Sodapants.

By Buy Danish (The original)

March 18, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Just when you think that liberals can’t get any more, well liberal, we are treated to news of a “Twins Epidemic” with serious implications for society at large.

The bad news:

Among the implications for the general population: If parents of twins can now increasingly request that their kids enter school together on the grounds that this will improve their academic performance, what’s to stop parents of singletons from requesting a class placement with a best friend on the same grounds?

Gosh, first Global Warming. Now this!

The good news:

There is also anecdotal evidence, according to Segal, that twins, because of their unusual side-by-side upbringing in which so much is shared, tend to be concerned with fairness and sensitive to the needs of others. These are qualities that at least one political scientist, Harvard professor Barry Burden, associates with support for welfare and education programs.

Just what we need, twins who support welfare programs. That’s how the Dems will get back their majority!

I’m not sure if this is good news or bad news:

As for the low-achievement issue, it’s important to note that Elvis Presley was a twin — his brother Jessie died at birth — as was “Our Town” author Thornton Wilder. Former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala is a twin, as was Massachusetts Sen. Paul Tsongas.

Read the whole AJC story here

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Big Bad Elephant (the original),

I am so glad you are coming and with a red carnation. Wouldn’t want to get you mixed up with anybody else.

The party is going great. Maybe we can get Jay not Jay to sing that song about “seltzer down your pants” right after his turnip chaser.

Chuckles is not coming. I told him you might sit on him (splat) and I didn’t want my living room rug messed up. Then he said he had to work on his paragraphs anyway. Party pooper.

By Buy Danish (The original)

March 18, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

RW (The original original)

Woops. Must be that Democrat at birth gene creeping in.

Thanks for the heads up!

By @@

March 18, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

I’m sorry, but this has to be said about your 3:42. It is hard being a pimp. In case you didn’t get my late night post. Why is Dylan displayed? Your site is taking it’s time.

I personally think it is the ghost of “The Dead Jerry”.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

That’s bad news that Chuckles isn’t going to be there. I was hoping to watch her standing at the door demanding that whoever left an hour before must now leave.

I submit 2:03 and 3:12 as evidence.

By JJG

March 18, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

You know what? That post of 3:08 was brilliant; I am embarrassed to be here! All this juvenile name-calling, back and forth is not for me and unfortunately, I’ve allowed myself to get sucked down to the lowest common denominators. I thought I might contribute something useful, but my search for another forum will continue.

So to all of the people who have served this great nation, (unlike our VP, who had other priorities in the 60’s than military service) and his equally cowardly associates, I say stand tall and fight the good fight, regardless of your beliefs and regardless of which political bent you have. Never, ever, ever let people like these in power now, return. We can and must do better.

And, yes, there are many ways to serve this nation without enlisting in the military. Just don’t be in too big of a hurry to get other people’s kids killed, OK?

This country will again truly thrive, but only when these two brands of self-serving extremist political parties are relegated to the scrap heap of democracy. As much as they are going to hate it, there will be more Naders, who fight valiantly, against incredible odds (including against the once proud Democratic party), to expose the unbridled and unashamed sleaze and corruption of our current systems and institutions, and yes our ordinary citizens.

You may think me a hypocrite and I’m certainly not free from the sins I’ve listed, but I am certainly willing and ready to take action to change the status quo. So, I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is. To repeat an oath I took a long time ago, “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.” This solemn vow still lives within me today.

And there will be more like you and me, who say proudly that we will not allow this geat republic, that has given us all everything we have, to be taken hostage by extremists, religous, political or otherwise.

To all of my short term friends and “foes” here, try not to hate each other. Know that we all want the same things really - to love our children and to see them grow up happy and free. To have compassion for and help those who are suffering. To somehow, someway leave this world better than we found it. To quote one of my musical heroes, Todd Rundgren:

We’ve been waiting so long, we’ve been waiting for the sun to rise and shine Shining still to give us the will Can you hear me, the sound of my voice? I am here to tell you I have made my choice I’ve been listening to what’s been going down There’s just too much talk and gossip going ‘round You may think that I’m a fool, but I know the answer Words become a tool, anyone can use them Take the golden rule, as the best example Eyes that have seen will know what I mean

The time has come to take the bull by the horns We've been so downhearted, we've been so forlorn We get weak and we want to give in But we still need each other if we want to win Hold that line, baby hold that line Get up boys and hit 'em one more time We may be losing now but we can't stop trying So hold that line, baby hold that line

If you don’t know what to do about a world of trouble You can pull it through if you need to and if You believe it’s true, it will surely happen Shining still, to give us the will Bright as the day, to show us the way Somehow, someday, we need just one victory and we’re on our way Prayin’ for it all day and fightin’ for it all night Give us just one victory, it will be all right We may feel about to fall but we go down fighting You will hear the call if you only listen Underneath it all we are here together shining still

I know this is really long, and I apologize. And SS&S, at least I’m using paragraph breaks! To any I offended with stupid, callous statements; I apologize. And to those of you who I tried to show my love and friendship, I don’t!

Good luck to all of you and thanks for caring so much for the United States of America.

By Dusty

March 18, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Yes, good news. Ted Kennedy does NOT have a twin.

I have to close with that comforting news. The party was lotsa fun. See you later.

By Brian Curtis

March 18, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Funny, funny cartoon. Wait until Bush finds out we even have ports! (As soon as someone can explain the concept to him in small words, that is….)

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

@@,

That was then this is now.

By Jerome

March 18, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Clinton creates 20 milliom jobs where workers are making profit sharing bonuses of up to $75,000 a year. Good Bush outsources million of jobs to communist and dictator led countries- bad! Clinton wants to provide health care for everyone. Good Bush signs health care law to force elderly to pay thousands for drugs. BAD Clinton keeps price of gasoline below $1 a gallon. good Bush let Oil companies raise price of gasoline 40 cents in last two weeks for sring break. A sorry joke

By Socialist Democrat

March 18, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

JJG,

You’ll be missed. Too bad all of the regular Republitard losers seemed to show up today- one idiotic comment after another. Come back in November after we take the House and Senate back and begin impeachment proceeding against Bush League. I’m sure the old elephant and the rest of her cult will still be here, or maybe that’s when they stop showing up.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Socialist Dick,

Have you read that book I asked you about?

What an inspiration!

Thank me for sharing.

By ART

March 18, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Things ARE getting better. Only 33% of our populace are still morons.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Port Security:

By the end of this fiscal year, DHS expects that 65 percent of containers will be screened for radioactive or radiological materials at our seaports, while 80 percent will be screened at our land border points of entry. These are facts that rarely get mentioned in this debate

In fact, as Chief McCabe told me, “100 percent of containers coming into the United States from overseas go through our screening process. It begins 24 hours before they are ever loaded at a foreign port.”

Customs has built up an extensive data base of shipping companies, shippers, freight forwarders, importers, container terminal operators, and other actors involved in the movement of goods, as well as other criteria, that allow them to make a preliminary assessment of the potential terrorist risk from any given container. Every single container is run through this Automated Tracking System. At risk containers are then singled out for further passive or intrusive inspections.

All containers – no exceptions – that are identified as a potential security threat are inspected, most of them before they ever reach the United States. Customs and Border Protection uses radiation detectors, gamma ray inspection equipment, and X-ray systems to identify suspicious cargo without opening the containers and immobilizing global trade.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

ART, I guess that makes you a 33 percenter!

And may I take this opportunity to whine about what a humorless bunch you all are?

There, I just did.

By Courtney La Croix

March 18, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Big Bad Elephant-You shouldn’t pick on the Marxist right now. He just lost his little puppy Chuckles. He does have his chin up. In spite of the pain he still has delusions of taking over the House and Senate. He must not know about our secret Diebold passwords.

By Napo D

March 18, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Courtney, I caught you a delicious bass. And I drew a picture of you too. It took three hours to get the shading on your upper lip right. But there’s plenty more where that came from, if you’ll go to the dance with me.

By Courtney La Croix

March 18, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Napo D-I’ve noticed that you are quite the fisherman. This isn’t the Titanic you know, Courtney is not dancing in steerage and she certainly doesn’t like anyone with a pole.

By RodeoDrive

March 18, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

A dangerous job for the faint of heart.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

Courtney La Croix (The Original),

Which Marxist are you referring to? There are so many from which to choose. They are all over in steerage.

I’ll see you over in first class (POSH) with Mr. Astor’s party.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Rodeo Drive,

Your link did not work, but is this where you wanted us to go?

Perfect for Angelina Jolie and all her children.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 18, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

By Semper FI March 17, 2006 11:05 PM

Some people say that this post was a joke, I say it was a classic textbook example of how to direct preparatory fire on to a target, softening it up for the shock troopers, RW and Danish. Your success can be measured by the pip squeak response from the enemy JJG, you even got him to surrender later in the day. Excellent mission soldier. WHHOOOAAHHH!!

Watch your backs, troopers, you were given some false intel by one of our “allies.” Turns out, contrary to what he says, he is an Al Qaeda lover, he worships them, he is their bitc-h. The real scoop on the insurgents can be found here:

Along with ammunition and arms, the soldiers seized computer discs of fatwas — edicts — issued by Islamic clerics to kill Iraqi police and soldiers, Talabani said.

That’s right, our enemies are unable to enslave the Iraqi people under Islamic religious laws because George Bush is all up in their faces. The only way these fanatical killers can win is by blowing their own brains out and joining allah in paradise, because Bush owns the Earth.

And it really sucks for you stupid POS liberals, don’t it?

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Rodeo Drive,

Come to think of it, she can afford plenty of nannies. Who is the target market for this device?

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

Surrender? I thought that was a suicide note from JJG aka Chuckles the Clown.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 18, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

Somebody might want to tell these brilliant democrats that Bush ain’t running for office in 2006:

Senate Democrats have mapped a political battle plan for the March congressional recess that calls on lawmakers to stage press events with active duty military personnel, veterans and emergency responders to bash President Bush on virtually every one of his national security policies.

I guess if they want to blow their load on someone who’s already won their election, who am I to complain?

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

I don’t know if he completely “surrendered”, or just morphed into Chuckles. He is on the run, but still lurking about, threatening suicide.

Dusty wouldn’t let him come to her party because it would ruin her carpeting. (Splat). I don’t blame her for not extending her famous Southern hospitality to that clown.

Ironically, It must be his lucky day (leftover shamrocks?) but we’ll see if he pops up later - albeit wounded.

Our special forces are doing a wonderful job, don’t you think? Sooner or later, LLG in any incarnation will be history and that mission will be indeed be accomplished.

By RodeoDrive

March 18, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Big Bad Elephant,

I’ve hit it three separate times and it worked 2 out of 3.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

RW,

There’s nothing more embarrassing than getting soda on one’s pants, so he was really depressed.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Rodeo Drive,

2 out of 3? You should buy a lottery ticket. I only tried once and ended up at “This page cannot be displayed”.

There was a handy link to Worth Magazine, and after a very brief scan, my eyes lit upon “nappy helper”.

Target market? Wealthy Marxists.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

Rodeo Drive,

What’s with the creepy pictures on the wall? This kid is going to have bad dreams.

The good news is that a trip to the gynecologist’s office will be a piece of cake.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 18, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about JJG, it’s almost like he ingested some intoxicant, got a big rush from it and then tendered his resignation.

I kinda hope he stays, it’s fun tormenting him and besides which, if he goes, it just be us and the wankers.

By Joe Roman

March 18, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

Except for some close friends, the thing I miss most about living in Atlanta is picking up the AJC each morning, turning to the back page of the A section and seeing what Mike has done to make me laugh today. Every one this week has been hilarious. I live in Baltimore now, and I know how abysmally stupid this idea of complete security really is. Walking around the watery perimeter of Fort McHenry (you know, Star Spangled Banner/War of 1812?), you can see containers that have been sitting there for years. I’ll bet no one at all knows what’s in some of them. Ever hear of time fuses, folks? We could have a real nuke-not some dirty bomb, the real thing-in one of those containers. The only way anyone will ever know is when it goes off. The only thing close to real security lies in not treating every other country in the world as if they were “our b***”. The neo-conservative notion that we can treat everybody like dirt because we’re the most powerful is by far the greatest threat to our security.

By getalife

March 18, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

it just be us and the wankers.

A match made in heaven!

W just got him a new speech writer:

“My fellow Americans. I am not an idiot. I am not incompetent. I am not stupid. I don’t believe in polls, but if I did, apparently 48% of you on this Pew poll think I’m incompetent, an idiot or stupid. Harriet Miers calls the Pew poll the P-U poll, and I agree with her.

I have a greeting card here from Harriet, it has a little flower arrangement with sparkles on it, and inside the card she says that I was the best governor ever. And she has also said publicly that I am the smartest person she knows. And she knows a lot of people. The secret committee that chose to run me for president also thinks I am very smart.

Let me tell you some other things I’m not. I am not insulated. Isolated. I talk to lots of people, I hear lots of outside opinions. Karen Hughes tells me things, Condi Rice, she’s very popular, she tells me things. Sometimes Dick and I speak; he speaks in such a low register that is hard for the human ear to hear, but I get the gist.

What else can I tell you? I am an optimistic. I look on the bright side.

The Iraq war is going well. Wars are messy. We didn’t need more troops. We don’t torture people. We have captured 1,377 terrorists. We’re holding them incognito in Cuba. They can’t see lawyers, and we may keep them there for the rest of their lives without trials. It’s a new world since 9-11. Alberto says the new world is a lot like Kafka’s The Trial. I’ve never read that, but it sounds good.

Here are some other things I am not. I am not a religious fanatic. I found Jesus when Laura said I had to stop hitting the bottle, and then I went into a room with a minister and wham! Jesus entered my soul.

This means I have been sober thanks to Jesus, and I haven’t had to sit in a room with a lot of alkies talking about this 12 steps stuff where you have to apologize and make amends all the time. Oh, also, I am not a dry drunk. People in AA who are sober but still acting crazy and manipulative and grandiose are called “dry drunks.” I, however, have never been in AA, so according to Alberto Gonzalez, I can never be called a “dry drunk.”

Alberto Gonzalez has been doing a heck of a job as Attorney General, have you noticed? I did a heck of a job choosing him.

When he was the White House counsel, he’s the one who redefined “torture” so that it’s only torture if it causes organ failure or death. So that means you can go pretty far with people you’ve captured and not be guilty of torture.

I am opposed to torture. I signed the McCain anti-torture bill, though I also signed one of those nifty side statements Alberto and Harriet help me with, which says I don’t necessarily have to follow this law if it conflicts with my role of Commander in Chief.

Speaking of following laws, did you see that insulting thing Senator Russ Feingold did? He says he wants to censure me because he says I am guilty of authorizing “illegal wiretapping program in direct violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.”

Boy, talk about partisan. Did he not LISTEN to Alberto during his visit to the Senate Judiciary Committee? That law does not apply to me for two reasons: one, my role as Chief Executive of the country makes that law null and void as it relates to me; and also the Congress voted to give me total power to use force against Iraq, and that includes anything else I do that I feel is related to that, and that includes wiretapping. You can’t break the law if it doesn’t apply to you.

Am I saying I am above the law? Yes, I am saying that. There are some laws I am willing to still follow. Traffic laws. I will still stop at red lights. Unless I am chasing a terrorist, in which case I will go through the light.

I am the Commander in Chief. We live in a post-9-11 world. Because of that, I am re-asserting my carefully reasoned doctrine of “pre-emptive war.” That means we no longer wait to be attacked. We attack first.

We get all the finest intelligence, as we did in the run-up to the Iraq war. Sorry, as we thought we did, but Judith Miller fed us a lot of hooey. She kept telling Libby stuff and he believed her. No other countries may use the doctrine of pre-emption to attack us, however. This doctrine only applies to us because we are the strongest, and because we are good.

I know some of you were disappointed that there weren’t weapons of mass destruction.

But we were always going over to Iraq for more reasons than just the weapons thing. Dick and Paul and Donald all have that neo-conservative theory that if we impose democracy on some of these Arab countries, then the entire area will get a whole lot more stable.

I know I didn’t say that BEFORE the war, because frankly we didn’t think you’d understand it. So instead we just stressed how Saddam was trying to get nuclear weapons, and that he was likely to use them against the United States in like five minutes. Condi was very worried about that mushroom soup thing.

A lot of the news media keep stressing the killing and kidnapping and blowing up of mosques. Where are the human interest stories of soldiers patting children on the head? Or painting schools. Or lending people flashlights when the electricity doesn’t work. I mean, it all takes time.

And Iraq turns out to be harder than anyone expected. I mean, just as no one could have predicted the levees might break in New Orleans, so nobody could predict there would be all this sectarian fighting in Iraq between the Kurds, the Shiites, and the Sunni. Well maybe the state department prepared some papers about that, but Dick wouldn’t let any of us read those things.

Plus Colin Powell was so sour all the time. “If you break it, you’ve bought it” he kept saying about invading Iraq. That’s negative thinking. I like African-American people, I like Condi Rice, and that guy who got caught shoplifting. But I was very disappointed in Colin. He wasn’t a team player. And he didn’t listen to Dick and Donald enough. Dick and Donald refers to Dick Tracy and Donald Duck. I am the Sense of Humor President. As well as the War President.

In conclusion, I am not an idiot. I am not incompetent. I know some things in Iraq are going badly right this minute, but that doesn’t mean in the next minute the Iraqi people won’t suddenly calm down and get democractic.

I have been more honest today about some of the things that have been upsetting the American people. I understand their pain, I’ve read about people feeling pain, it’s been explained to me.

But still I am an optimist. I am not part of the reality based community. I believe we never back down. I believe in pre-emptive attack. Empt first, figure out later.

I think I’m going to go back to my previous spreechwriter, I don’t think it’s a good idea I keep saying “I am not an idiot.” A lot of people didn’t even hear about that part of the P-U poll.

I’m going to go back to my standard repeating of phrases over and over. That has worked before. I’m competent. I’m competent. I’m competent. I’m competent. I’m competent, competent, competent. I’m competent. I. Am. Competent.”

By @@

March 18, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

I’m with you Joe, we should let the U.N. do the necessary work.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 18, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

On a weekend with gas prices at 2.50 a gallon, of course Cynthia Tucker is going to remind us that she thinks the war in Iraq is for oil. Sigh:

But the movie’s essence is merely a recounting of recent U.S. history: Consecutive administrations — Democrat and Republican — have done whatever was necessary to assure a continuous supply of cheap petroleum. That’s the overriding reason that President Bush invaded Iraq.

And don’t forget to glamorize suicide bombers, Queen Pinko. They have every reason to detonate themselves amongst innocent women and children, with the evil Bush monster “stealing” their oil at $80 a barrel.

While we’re at it, a shill for a tax hike!:

But it’s not too late to start to curb America’s huge appetite for oil before we end up at war with China in 10 or 20 years over dwindling reserves. The political moment when it would have been easy to change consumption habits has already passed: President Bush could have sought and received a stiff increase in the federal gas tax — as much as a dollar a gallon — just after Sept. 11. Americans were ready, then, to make sacrifices.

It would be harder now but hardly impossible. Polls show that more than half of Americans would accept a higher gas tax if it led to less reliance on foreign oil. While the price hike would ripple through the economy, we would adjust — with more public transit, more carpooling and fewer discretionary car trips.

I think the first sacrifice that needs to be made is Mother Lib putting down the pipe.

By @@

March 18, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

Thanks Getalife!!! Where have you been? I needed you.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

OH NO! Not Joe Roman! The last time he was here the whole blog went on the fritz. Complete shut down.

getalife,

Is that you or a wanker? Your posts are usually so short and direct.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

Isn’t news print made out of petroleum by-products, or was that in the olden days?

By getalife

March 18, 2006 07:43 PM | Link to this

OO,

Did you go back to see “crallspace”?

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I think your post was one of those blog terrorism acts you are always talking about. I was all set to respond to Big Bad Elephant and you carpet bombed the place.

By getalife

March 18, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

I like W’s new speech writer.

Very honest.

Must have been some nicjacking going on up in here.

By @@

March 18, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

No, but I have been bouncing around, and I have seen him, and his mind’s eye at other blogs. He’s only slightly scary when he’s awake. But scary all the same.

By @@

March 18, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

If Big Bad Elephant has to change her name yet again, may I suggest “Brobdingnagian”. That outta make them think twice about jacking.

Getalife: My new name is @@, but I’ll forgive you if you forget a few more times.

I have already had to reprimand Finch.

By getalife

March 18, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

RW,

That was a “nuclear” blog attack.

@@,

Does he give you nightmares?

Talk about a vicious lib.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 18, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

[*A White House

official says the choice strategy “is the means to go on offense,” instead of merely defending the controversial or unpopular actions of the Bush administration. There are numerous “luscious targets” offered by Democrats, including the fact that two-thirds of House Democrats voted against the reauthorization of the Patriot Act and three-fourths of congressional Democrats opposed the president’s tax cuts.*](http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/987ykuud.asp)

By DavidU

March 18, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

Semi-political related question: Is Fidel Castro allowed or welcomed to come to the US? I ask because Cuba is going to play in the finals of the WBC and I wondered if Fidel would be allowed to attend, and also I’m trying to figure out the over-under on Cuban protesters.

By Conservatives Swallow BS

March 18, 2006 08:11 PM | Link to this

LS&L, Thanks for the continued entertainment so demonstrative of your blind faith in government. The war in Iraq is purely for oil. The war on terror is purely for oil. Our country runs on oil. If you think we really went to Iraq to spread freedom and democracy, don’t you think it would’ve been cheaper to invade Cuba?

Again, RW, Andy, BD, you all suck.

Thanks for reading!

By getalife

March 18, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

How about @@mco?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 18, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

Gee, I wonder if the libs will be quoting Pat Buchanan this week?:

The first imperative is to define the Democratic Party and inform the country on what a Democratic victory will mean.

And, in this sense, the Feingold Resolution is a godsend. A true believer, Sen. Russ Feingold has introduced a motion to censure President Bush for allowing the National Security Agency to listen in on phone calls to and from Kandahar. Republicans should key off the Feingold Resolution to inform the country what a victory for the party of Clinton & Clinton, Pelosi and Reid, Sharpton and Dean, Kerry and Kennedy will mean.

And with John Conyers running the House judiciary committee, that victory would mean a rush to censure and perhaps impeach the president in wartime. It will mean no more justices like Roberts and Alito. It will mean the tax cuts will be repealed and taxes raised on dividends and capital gains, which will send the stock market into a tailspin.

By @@

March 18, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

Conservatives Swallow:

Thanks for writing!!

Getalife:

You can call me whatever you like!!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 18, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

A White House official says the choice strategy “is the means to go on offense,” instead of merely defending the controversial or unpopular actions of the Bush administration. There are numerous “luscious targets” offered by Democrats, including the fact that two-thirds of House Democrats voted against the reauthorization of the Patriot Act and three-fourths of congressional Democrats opposed the president’s tax cuts.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

Castro does travel here. He was here for the Cuban baseball games in the 1996 Olympics. My wife (gf at the time) and I were in the Stadium Club at the old stadium. We had to leave after our game and they wouldn’t let us go down the ramp because Fidel was on his way and the ramp had already been sanitized.

I thought she was going to dump me right then and there when I couldn’t stop laughing after she asked how us going down the ramp was going to get it dirty.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 18, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

March 18, 2006 Inside Report: Gore vs. Hillary By Robert Novak

WASHINGTON — Democratic insiders take seriously a possible new try for the presidency by Al Gore and say he is capable of raising more money than the presumptive front-runner, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Puh-leeze. Algore? Has Novak flipped his freakin lid?

By DavidU

March 18, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

RW- Thanks for the info. Now, off to explore the Miami Herald for Protest information.

By Joe Roman

March 18, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

It’s hard to know where to start. Clinton left office leaving us citizens a budget surplus. All uses of American troops produced the desired results and came with an exit strategy that actually worked within the publically acknowledged time table. The one failure was Somalia, but a realistic assessment prevailed, and we got the hell out of there quick. America was the source of admiration in virtually every field of endeavor, and our security lay in the near universal good will we enjoyed in the world. Unless somebody starts turning loafs into fishes and water into wine PDQ, Bush will leave us deeper in debt than we’ve ever been before because he keeps coming up with ways to both deplete our treasury and eliminate sources of revenue. At the same time, he cracks down on people who can’t pay their credit card bills. Go figure.
He starts two wars, declares “Mission Accomplished!” two years ago, yet both still rage today. He has treated the rest of the world as if it was his personal lap dog-unless of course, they are wealthy Arabs or Indians (!?). Clinton got a hummer from a groupie. (Gee! That’s never happened in politics before. Has it, Mr. Wizard?). Bush has nearly destroyed the country, and he still has TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO GO. For fifty points: Which president has done more harm. ……and simper faye: Don’t even bother. Your writing skills are so poor, you’d spend the rest of the night explaining what you meant to say, and the people will get impatient waiting for their burgers and fries.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

Once you deconstruct these we can get started.

By NJH

March 18, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

I loved W’s new speech writer.

By Semper FI

March 18, 2006 09:12 PM | Link to this

Good one RW. If I didn’t know any better, I would think Joey didn’t like GW. The sky is falling on him. It must be sad to live in his world but at least he has Moveon.org to cheer him up.

GO BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

I think Joey is the first guy.

By finch

March 18, 2006 09:31 PM | Link to this

It’s good to see Republicans salivating over Hillary, or Gore, or even Kerry as a 2008 Democratic Presidential candidate. It’ll never happen.

But even if it did, President Bush will end up being the GOP’s worst liability. The Iraq war is bringing together Islamic radicals from different countries, and with different cultures, languages and agendas to unite against a common enemy. Us.

Predictions of a better Middle East have evaporated three years after invasion

Republicans aren’t helped by Bush, whose leadership over issues like Iraq, Islamofascists, the Dubai port deal, Harriet Miers and Katrina (among others) are painfully obvious. How many spending bills has he vetoed? And of course, he couldn’t talk his way out of a paper bag.

Bush using straw-man arguments in speeches

And then there’s the elephant in the living room. Operation Iraqi Freedom isn’t about WMDs, or 9/11, or Islamofascists, or Saddam, or democracy…

It’s about the oil.

Not about oil profits for ExxonMobil or Occidental or any corporation. It’s about oil as the drug of choice for the West. It’s a deft analogy, and one of the few times Bush has used rhetoric correctly.

This goes beyond Republicans versus Democrats. Right now, we’re the deer in the headlights.

Now, where’s the party?

By Joe Roman

March 18, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

Thanks for proving my point faye and RW. You respond to arguments like 10 year olds passing notes in class. That’s one thing I’ll give Bush. He knows his audience. Approval ratings in the high thirties is a telling statement. It means fully a quarter of the population will remain incapable of reading the handwriting on the wall……..or in this case, their computer monitor.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

It isn’t worth the time and effort to respond to a post like yours so we make light of it. Good lord why didn’t you have Bush sneaking away with the Lindberg baby or carrying out the Kennedy assassination.

Even this much of a response is hopelessly wasted on you. Seriously if you like to pare things down a bit and have a rational discussion I’m more than happy to do that.

finch,

With a post like that do you honestly think we are going to tell you where the party is?

You might bring a date.

By Semper FI

March 18, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

RW, I bet you’re right about the first one being Joey. Your other link on those sad democrat protestors is funny. Makes me want to go to one of those rallies just to pick out a few and slap’em around. I’ve always wanted to go to a PETA rally with a dead deer and gut it for their pleasure viewing.

By @@

March 18, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this

The “first guy” looks like “Crallspace” plus 15 pounds.

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

@@,

I think you are seeing a “Crallspace” around every corner. See how evil getalife can be.

There was a big Bay area protest today so it shouldn’t be long before we get a new Zombie layout. The London protest was apparently sponsored by Mercedes.

By finch

March 18, 2006 10:24 PM | Link to this

Heck, RW, I just wanted to add a little pepper to Sucks salt.

You should invite me just for my extensive collection of fine vintages.

Or we can go for the hard stuff.

My treat.

By Jay not jay

March 18, 2006 10:35 PM | Link to this

(Absinthe) You first finch, you first!

By Big Bad Elephant

March 18, 2006 10:35 PM | Link to this

finch, finch, finch,

What am I to do with you? You say what? Oh yeah, this last century stuff:

The Iraq war is bringing together Islamic radicals from different countries, and with different cultures, languages and agendas to unite against a common enemy. Us.

WHAT??? How can this be????? have been actively promoting Diversity and Multi-culturalism for like decades now!Do you mean to tell me that it was all for naught? (Sorry - I just used an anglo-saxonish word).

Why is it that when we invite all these differently-languaged, differently-cultured, differently-agenda-dada-da-daddied people into our country, and our universities, and maybe even our homes, that they hijack our planes and fly into our buildings?

What are we doing wrong?????Why do they hate us so????

Why is it that those tribal Pashtun fellas will invite anyone into their home and put out an eternal welcome mat and never betray them, no matter what, but we send them to Yale and UNC and they still hate us?

What are we doing wrong????

Is it because of THE (BIG BAD)ELEPHANT in the LIVING ROOM??

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

By Joe Roman March 18, 2006 09:40 PM: Thanks for proving my point faye and RW.

Does anybody know - Who is FAYE?

I hate it when I’m not in with the in crowd!

finch,

Is there anything that you won’t eat or drink? I never did say NO to that Chinese lunch invitation last week. Forgive me, but I like the food and drink at Dusty’s much better.

It’s not you, it’s me.

By @@

March 18, 2006 10:47 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

I’ve been visiting around the blogosphere.

I will fight to the death to defend my Getalife or at least send my dog Buddy to do it.

When you are not so busy…stop by and look in. It is humorous. Andy would love “The Lawyer’s Coloring Book”. It can be found at the bottom. But then you may find it Dylan-esque. Who knows????????

@@ Ooouuuuuuttttt!!!

By RW-(the original)

March 18, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

It looks like the party may be here. I’m in a San Francisco kind of mood, anybody got some Peppermint Schnapps? It’s a very nice complement to the beer I brought and the combination beats the hell out of that rotgut finch brought in.

By Semper FI

March 18, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this

BD, faye is Joey’s 3rd grade attempt at referring to me. He is a really smart guy. I am going to promote him to the 4th grade.

By Buy Danish

March 18, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi Faye,

Urgent Message:

No! Don’t promote him please!! I’ve been told by numerous people on Joey’s team that I only have a third grade education.

Make him stay back a grade, then I can catch up.

My self-esteem is at stake here. Nothing else matters.

By Steve

March 18, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this

SEMPER FONEY: Yep. That would be you. Killing animals. Cowards like you lack the balls to open up your mouths to anyone one-on-one. I’ve had a zillion of you punks. All the same. Gutless. Too many movies, video games, comic books, etc. Almost forgot - you’re one of the “Castrated Crew” on this blog along w RW, Andy, ad nauseam. You have all come from “The Land of The Little People.” And it always shows. Quickly now, it’s time to go back under your rocks - anywhere behind a…screen of anonymity. How typical. Yawn.

By Bill

March 18, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Right you are Steve. Joe Roman: take these wingnut losers off your mind. Their very words reveal their mentalities. Empty people. Rest well this night - but remember:

“Mission Accomplished! Bring it on with Iran!” - Your AWOL Presidential Hero.

By Jay not jay

March 18, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Skateboarding in not a crime!!

By Socialist Democrat

March 19, 2006 12:12 AM | Link to this

Steve,Bill,

You are both right but you tarnish my image with your vacuous prose. If you want to be on my side you will need to learn to use complete words along with proper spelling and grammar.

I also demand that you pay homage to my superior intelligence in each and every effort you put forth. I am the supreme being in this land and I demand nothing less than your complete devotion to me.

While I know you will comply you must also demand that finch no longer tries to speak with this filth and that he also acknowledge my greatness.

I have not the time nor patience for compromise and I demand that you speak out now and often. Never allow these cretins to have a voice and I will protect you.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 12:13 AM | Link to this

You have all come from “The Land of The Little People.”

Steve,

What? We’re all little people from Iceland?

I am quite sure I am a Brobdignagian. Just ask Chuckles.

One of us is dreaming, and I don’t think that it is me.

BTW, Can I have your last name and address since you’re so down on “anonymity” and all?

Right off the bat I can eliminate “McQueen”.

By Jay not jay

March 19, 2006 12:26 AM | Link to this

Go Socialist D!

By Socialist Democrat

March 19, 2006 12:37 AM | Link to this

Jay not jay,

I wonder what bottle SD opened tonight. Maybe it was something from finch’s whine cellar.

By Jay not jay

March 19, 2006 12:52 AM | Link to this

well, let’s see… finch, how was the absithe or whatever it is?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 06:43 AM | Link to this

Bush was right, again. He said that the closer we get to victory in Iraq, the more desperate America’s enemies would become:

3 YEARS AT WAR!: A reckoning on Iraq!! Tens of thousands of lives!!!, hundreds of billions of dollars!!!!: A toll the nation did not foresee!!!!! Bob Deans!!!!!! - Cox Washington Bureau!!!!!!! Sunday, March 19, 2006!!!!!!!!

And this:

By finch March 18, 2006 09:31 PM

It’s about the oil.

Not about oil profits for ExxonMobil or Occidental or any corporation. It’s about oil as the drug of choice for the West. It’s a deft analogy, and one of the few times Bush has used rhetoric correctly.

Keeping with my proper Christian upbringing of not kicking someone when they are down, I would like to extend an olive branch to the hysterical sissy liberals: Is there anything I can do to try and help start a civil war in Iraq?

It’s an odd little world we live in where victory is a reason to protest and to try and harm your country. Or is this your country?

By Conservatives Lie First and Suck Later!

March 19, 2006 07:11 AM | Link to this

RE: Olive branches, Christian? In a pig’s eye. Jesus had no love for WAR MONGERING you minion of hades. Get back Satan!

I’ll hug your elephant if you kiss my a-s-s!

Elephant- a mouse built to government specification.

BIG FAT Elephant- a mouse built to Bush administration specifications!!!!!

By seeker

March 19, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

Donald Rumsfeld - “Turning our backs on postwar Iraq today would be the modern equivalent of handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis.”

There you have it. Our Defense Secretary saying Saddam was Hitler. Is he criminally overinflating that tinpot’s importance? Or is he trivializing the supreme sacrifice of Americans in World War 2? Probably both.

Disgraceful.

By Conservatives Lie First and Suck Later!

March 19, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

RE Rumsfeld: So invading Iraq to take advantage of its’ strategic position and resources must be the modern equivalent of Nazi germany invading Poland!!!!!

By finch

March 19, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Jay not j,

Absinthe affects short term memory.

What was the question again?

By Semper FI

March 19, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Who are these dumb liberals taking about when they say, AWOL President? Couldn’t be Bush. He served as a fighter pilot in the guard. Couldn’t be Clinton He didn’t serve. Must be something from their dreamed up Dan Rather not world.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Conservatives Lie First and Suck Later!,

Warning:

Do NOT hug me.

I don’t like being hugged by humorless clowns. I might squish you just like I squished poor Chuckles. Remember, I am a BAD elephant, not a FAT elephant.

Now, if you could develop something called “a sense of humor” I might let you hug me.

Here’s a book that you really need to read

Pay close attention!

And when you’re finished with that one, here’s what you need to graduate

However, even if you get straight A’s, I will not kiss your sorry A*ss. Just be happy that I don’t squish you and leave it at that.

By Joe Roman

March 19, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Faye is simper faye, a child pretending to be a man pretending to have something to do with the Marine Corp. I have found in my years on forums and blogs that people who trumpet military credentials are almost always pretenders. While it may be sad but true that many of the childish postings we see come from emotionally troubled adults, a good portion come from children who think sites like this are opportunities to play “let’s pretend”. That’s why I and no one else with an actual life hangs on these things for hours and hours. If they don’t use their real names, there isn’t even the most rudimentary basis for believability.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

You mean to tell me that Midori didn’t really serve in our military? Say it ain’t so!

By @@

March 19, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Joe:

Is that really you???

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Wow, I post 2 or 3 times yesterday and I get called out 3 times after midnight? It seems as if you cultist fools are literally losing sleep over me for some strange reason.

You want to know what bottle I opened? I had 2 Budweisers at the Mexican restaurant (the wife had more but I was driving). When we got home I had about 5 more Amber Bocks when an old judo buddy came over to watch the Hasim Rahman v. James Toney fight (pretty good one by the way). Just regular guy stuff- there’s no reason for you losers to be so obsessed, especially at all hours of the night. There will be plenty of time to show your ignorance, just as Andy and the menopausal hag do daily.

By the way, you’ll have to work on the name-jacking a bit. The effort was pretty poor, but it’s not surprising considering you can count the number of humorous conservatives on no hands.

By finch

March 19, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Cynthia Tucker is correct, natually. Iraq is a war about oil.

And there, on the opposite page from Tucker’s column in the AJC print edition is our old friend, stalwart conservative George Will!

“…more than any presidency in living memory, George W. Bush’s will be judged by a single problem — Iraq, where on May 30 the war will be twice as long as was U.S. involvement in World War I.”

“Iraq’s civil war — which looks more like Spain’s in the 1930s — began months ago.”

“Three years ago the administration had a theory: Democratic institutions do not just spring from a hospitable culture, they can also create such a culture. That theory has been a casualty of the war that began three years ago today.”

From one George (Will) to another (Bush)… call Iraq what it is, not what you wished for.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

George Will is admitting Iraq is a big mistake.

All right, y’all admit you are really vicious libs, just here to stir up posts.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Social Distortion,

Who won that fight?

I was watching but had to go to bed.

By candide

March 19, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Congressman Jack Murtha did a terrific job this morning on Meet the Press. He demonstrated that Bush is really the Wizard of Oz.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

getalife,

It was a draw. Two judges had it 114-114, and the third had it 117-111 Rahman. The decision wasn’t controversial because everyone agreed they each inflicted about the same amount of damage to the other.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Candide,

The “Wizard of Oz” is putting very kindly. I can see you’re off to a diplomatic start today.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

@@,

Good choice with the name change. I guess you got tired of looking “objective observer” up in the dictionary every time you wanted to post.

By @@

March 19, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Just here to stir up fun…

“If toast always lands butter-side down, and cats always land on their feet, what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it?”

In the interest of fairness, I ask that Getalife (moderate leaning leftist) join me (moderate leaning conservative) on the panel of judges, to award what he and I deem to be the most viable answer. Getalife and I may need to find a private room in which to debate our choices. The vote will require our unanimous concensus.

No PETA members need participate, please!!!

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Socialist Nancy,

It’s not the number of times you post that matters, it’s seriousness of the content.

Does anybody care what bottle you opened or how much you and your wife (poor dear) had to drink? Or that you watched a fight? Desperately trying to prove how macho you are?

But wait! There’s more! What’s great about this site is that it has a cool feature where you can translate the lyrics into a different language. I suggest the Italian version to match your suit

One last thing - you’ll need to lose the Birkenstocks, dude.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

AWOL means that you’re on active duty and then you disappear and don’t finish your tour. That’s what Bush did. At least Clinton had an ideological opposition to the war. Bush didn’t. He thought the war was fine as long as his rich, priviledged a$$ didn’t have to fight it. So he skipped out on the end of his service. That was near the beginning of his long list of felonious conduct, followed by DUI’s, cocaine possession, tax evasion, insider trading, and we won’t even review the crimes he’s committed while in office.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

With all that felonious conduct you’d think some Democrat somewhere might be able to beat him in an election.

Social Dick, When did the military start giving out honorable discharges to people that were AWOL?

By DavidU

March 19, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Social Distortion - You thought Rahman v. Toney was a good fight? Please explain that it was due to the 7 beers or food poisoning that you thought that.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

David U,

Don’t worry about it. I guess you’d have to know something about boxing to have recognized it.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

RW,

Gore did, and OBL saved his sorry a$$ the second time.

By @@

March 19, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Social Dysfunction:

Thank you!! I like it too. Although Objective Observer truly described who I was, the “extreme liberals” here refused to acknowledge my objectivity. It came to me that they wanted it “their way” or “no way”. I was forced to choose the latter. “No way” can I support the principles of the “extreme left”. Please notice how I use the term “extreme” here. As long as the Democratic party and its’ constituents allow themselves to be hijacked by the “extremes”, I won’t be able to support them as I once did.

I remain fond of Getalife and all moderates. I remain appreciative of substantive debate which does not require concession of principles. I love humor!! Can you please try to develop a sense of this invaluable commodity (humor). I will let you know how you are doing as time progresses.

Now I must go and help count the offeratory at church, so that we can distribute our generosity to those who are truly in need.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

If anyone cares to review the story of Bush and the National Guard, through an eye less jaundiced that Socialist P******’s, read this

Case closed.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

Royal Wanker (the original),

The military has always handed out honorable discharges to AWOL soldiers if they’re rich and their daddy is a Senator.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

Social,

Gore tallied more meaningless popular votes, he didn’t win the election. Since you fancy yourself as all knowing, do you remember the last two weeks of the Gore campaign? His people had told him he was probably going to win, but lose the popular vote so every speech contained a primer on the electoral system.

It’s amazing how quickly you guys want to scrap the Constitution when it serves your needs. Of course when the 2004 vote was tallied it was all Ohio all the time. Not a peep about the popular vote.

So you’ll have to try again. I think there is a Congressional race way back when that you can find.

Why is it again that Bush has a real honorable discharge and Kerry has a Carter era revised discharge?

By finch

March 19, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

To: @@ and getalife, esteemed judges.

How DARE you attempt to inject levity into a terminally serious site such as this?

I vote for cat side down. Cats are active. Toast is passive. Even buttered toast.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Socialist Dick,

Has anyone ever told you that your writing lacks originality? Sheesh. You can’t even come up with an original epithet.

Pathetic Plagiarist.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Menopausal Elephant,

Thank you for telling us the case was closed. Would you now like to rationalize his cocaine abuse, sketchy financial dealings, and running multiple corporations into the ground like he’s doing with the U.S. economy?

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Social Disease,

You seem to be talking in code today, maybe the food poisoning.

The military has always handed out honorable discharges to AWOL soldiers if they’re rich and their daddy is a Senator.

It seems the only person we are discussing that fits this model is Al Gore. Are you impugning Al’s service by claiming he was AWOL?

By DavidU

March 19, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Social Distortion - Toney looked like he had been training for an eating contest instead of a heavy-weight fight. If you thought it was good just because they hit each other back and forth, than yeah it was a great fight.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

The military has always handed out honorable discharges to AWOL soldiers if they’re rich and their daddy is a Senator.

Al Gore’s daddy was a rich Senator. George Bush’s daddy was a rich Congressman. So, are you referring to Gore here?

I like that objectivity.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

finch,

It really depends on how po’d the cat is about that toast strapped to it’s back. Cat’s don’t multi-task very well. I vote for toast side down and a cat that is going to spend the next week ruining every square inch of your carpet.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

RW,

Kerry went. Bush didn’t. Kerry got shot at. Bush did shots. Kerry nearly got blown up. Bush did blow. Kerry spoke out against the war. Bush spoke to the guy on the barstool next to him.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Social Disease,

Bush is President Kerry is a gigolo. It’s all about how you move forward and improve your life. It seems Bush has progressed far more than the purple heart collector.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Elephant,

You’ve heard of Social Distortion? Very surprising for a conservative, menopausal old maid. Must have mistakenly googled it when you were doing “research” on one of your Aryan websites.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

finch,

An interesting thing happened last week. An amendment was attached to the emergency spending bill for the war in Iraq that prohibits use of the funds for the establishment of any permanent bases in Iraq. The amendment was introduced by a Democrat, Barbara Lee, but passed with bipartisan support. Wolfowitz and Cheney must be livid. Maybe Bush will turn out to be a uniter after all.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

By Social Distortion March 19, 2006 11:00 AM: Your wife hammers 3 or more beers on one visit to the Mexican restaurant? She doesn’t have a drinking problem, does she? Could it be due to her Social Situation, being stuck with a clown like you?

War For Oil Idiots: Anyone one else want to sign up for the club by showing their profound ignorance? There is room, I’m counting like 4 members already. You have to be pretty stupid to join, I don’t think that will be a big problem for you liberals.

We are giving the oil from the wells that we rebuild back to the Iraqi People. We are paying $80 dollars a barrel for what we once paid $10. What, pray tell, don’t you understand?

I mean, really, being on the same side as Queen Pinko, Cynthia Tucker, should be your first clue.

Back to you, Social Dimwit: If Bush is “wrecking” the economy, I’m begging, begging him to do more damage, pleeze.

Our Church is expanding, again! For the kids!

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Royal Wanker,

Good rationalization, pathetic apologist. What’s your rationalization for the recent crimes he’s committed?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

How do you like these stupid POS pinko liberals, heavyweight boxing they can get into. A sport where two men pound on eachother until they are mentally handicapped, or killed, spending the remainder of their lives getting the drool wiped from their bibs. All for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

But Heaven forbid if a soldier were to get hurt defending innocent women and children from fanatical Islamic religious killers, we can’t have that, that just doesn’t make any sense.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Socialist P*rick,

They are not MY facts, they are THE facts.

All your rumor-mongering hasn’t gotten your party anywhere. Why don’t you try coming up with a plan without insulting a big chunk of your constituency - women and seniors.

That menopausal hag theme hits right at Hillary Clinton (if not your own wife) so you may want to try something different.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Andy’s back. It’s official, all of the Republitards are here today, a virtual idiot convention.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Reporter:

“Why aren’t we attacking North Korea?”

Wolfowitz: “They aren’t sitting on a sea of oil.”

I like Wolfowitz. At least he is honest.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

RW,

Don’t you just love the hypocrisy of someone who starts the day bragging about how many beers he drank, and then has the gall to disparage someone else for drinking?

Just like a Socialist Democrat Dick whose Golden Rule is “Do as I say, not as I do”.

By finch

March 19, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

WS,

I was going to say that Bush would never sign a bill barring permanent US bases in Iraq, then I remembered that Bush has okayed every bill put in front of him. It was a thought….

On a lighter note, well known Arab jokester and former Iraqi PM Ayad Allawi (he’s the guy who convinced the US and Britain that Saddam’s Iraq was awash in WMDs) slips another whoopie cushion under “Operation Iraqi Freedom”.

“LONDON (AP) — Iraq is in the middle of a civil war, former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said in a TV interview aired Sunday.

RW,

The cat will wreck the carpet, but I’ll wager it still lands feet first.

By DavidU

March 19, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Liberls S&L - You don’t like boxing?

By King RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Social Disease,

Since you have chosen to bestow Royalty on me I will help save you the typing. We already have an Empress I will use King.

Where were we? Oh yes current George W Bush crimes. You see it wasn’t really him, it was a mask.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

finch,

The bill doesn’t really bar permanent bases in Iraq, just says that the money from the emergency spending bill can’t be used for it. I am sure they will find another way of funding those bases.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Socialist Nancy,

Lady Astor: “Winston, if I were your wife I’d put poison in your coffee.”

Winston: “Nancy, if I were your husband I’d drink it.”

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

finch,

Another light note:

“But just yesterday, General John Abazaid, the Army general in charge of the US troops in Iraq, told the House Defense Appropriations committee that the US could end up having permanent bases in Iraq.”

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Elephant,

I didn’t drive drunk, go AWOL, or do cocaine. Bush did all of those. Yes, christian values.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

finch,

No matter how the cat lands, it still gets eight more chances before it matters. But the toast and carpet are history the first time the cat lands.

Dusty, for one, will not be strapping buttered toast to cats - she is very careful about her carpeting.

By Social Distortion

March 19, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Royal Wanker,

How about using a period? Moron.

By King RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Empress of Elba,

Sorry the Socialist has forced me to address you in a more formal manner.

It’s not just the hypocrisy it’s that rapid fire display of his attributes. American beer in a Mexican restaurant. He can show his true blue buy American union boy attitude and his diversity at the same time. I’m not sure why he wanted to diss his wife, but he must have thought it would impress someone that he could drive.

Then home with the boys to watch one of the worst fights in years with a buddy. Wait I mean a judo buddy. While claiming he could get just as hammered as his wife.

Thank God he stopped the description of the night’s activities there. The three of them must have been quite a sight.

By King RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

Don’t you just hate it when English teachers get testy?

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Use those as you see fit

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Your Royal Highness,

No need to apologize - I welcome your esteemed company!

Do you think that the three of them ended up in bed together? Not a pretty sight is right! At the very least, I’m certain that they took a bath together.

By King RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Empress,

Do you think it was bath night for that other crew? Weren’t there about 6 or 7 of them? If I thought they used soap I would buy a few P & G shares.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Socialist Dick,

I know that you worship at the altar of Big Government, but if you’re going to imply that George Bush is not a good Christian, then at least learn some basic tenets of Christianity before you use the Left’s favorite talking points.

Christians believe in such things as the forgiveness of sins, and redemption. Here’s a really easy test for you. Finish this sentence:

Christ died for our ———-?

Only Socialists claim to be perfect from birth and to lead perfect lives, entirely free of sin. It’s easy for you to do this - there is no such thing as sin in your world as concepts of good and evil do not exist - with the sole exception of evil Republicans and their evil Corporations.

By Empress of Elba

March 19, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Your Royal Highness,

Saturday night’s their night for dirty bathing - the whole lot of them.

Saves the environment and gives them an excuse to show off their wankers. Card-carrying members of the Mutual Admiration Society…

By @@

March 19, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Where is Getalife? It appears as though we have matters to discuss. He hasn’t even joined me on my judge’s panel. These are all interesting responses.

I can’t help but wonder why “Social Dick-tator” hasn’t weighed in yet. OH YEA! He’s got no sense of humor or he must be a member of PETA.

Getalife:

Prepare a little room over at your place for our discussion later this evening. I want everyone to have the opportunity to weigh in.

Award to be handed out tomorrow and there will be no debate allowed as to our selection. Sore losers will be ignored.

By @@

March 19, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState:

Prepare to be “teased just a little” in response to your 12:50 post. I’ll have to go hunting on a previous thread. Take it in the good humor in which it is intended please!!!

By Empress of Elba

March 19, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Socialist Party Animal,

Let this be a warning to you

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

finch,

You have single handedly solved the energy crisis. A cat with a piece of buttered toast strapped to his back will spin in space indefinitely. If you take a million or so cats with buttered toast strapped to their backs and harness the energy of their spinning, you could probably provide enough electricity for a medium sized town.

By Empress of Elba

March 19, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

@@,

We aleady know for certain that Socialist Party Animal has no sense of humor. We suspect that he is ALSO a PETA member.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

@@,

My blog is not cooperating right now.

I was trying to post this

Kid Rock says he gets women with his sense of humor.

By Empress of Elba

March 19, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

I’m almost starting to feel sorry for these pitiful protestors - big emphasis on almost

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

@@,

You have a point about PETA. They would probably complain about all those cats spinning.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Empress,

You could have picked a better source than a Mormon paper in Salt Lake City. The only thing they protest in Utah is monogamy.

By Joe Roman

March 19, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

It looks like simpering faye has taken his/her/it’s ball and gone home. I guess the truth hurts. It must be hard to keep it comin’ when your hero is somewhat less popular than venereal disease.

By King RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Empress,

Here’s a few more of those lovely protestors, it looks like the people in the last picture are about to lose their message. Ah the blissful days of moronic protests.

By DavidU

March 19, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Let’s go Braves!!!

That’s ‘the’ Bradley Braves.

By @@

March 19, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

WS: Just like you, I want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 03:48 PM

Here’s an interesting follow up to the Dubai fiasco. Shall auld acquaintances be forgot?

By Objective Observer

March 14, 2006 08:03 PM

Upon Washington State’s return and to enhance on his 3:48 conspiracy theory he posted.

There are alot of suspicious characters in The Carlyle Group.

Politicians affiliated with The Carlyle Group:

Alice Albright, daughter of ex-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright

William Kennard, Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle’s Managing Director in the Telecommunications & Media Group

Arthur Levitt, Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle Senior Advisor

Mack McLarty, White House Chief of Staff under President Bill Clinton

Colin Powell, former United States Secretary of State

Business Persons Affiliated with “The Carlyle Group”:

George Soros, international investor and liberal political activist

It just didn’t want anybody to feel left out or misled.

Shame on you WashingtonState, and to think, it was your namesake who confessed to cutting down the cherry tree.

I’m off to prepare Sunday dinner.

By Joe Roman

March 19, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

If Bushies didn’t have a sense of humor, Kool Aid would be perpetually out of stock in the grocery stores. Their hero has a popularity rating somewhere below venereal disease.

By Semper FI

March 19, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

Hey little Joey, I am hear. I haven’t gone anywhere, just busy doing some other things. Surely you don’t think you have run me off.

By @@

March 19, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Kid Rock is blonde. I’ll go for the dark and funny Dennis Millers and you.

By Semper FI

March 19, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Did any of you liberals ever find out why Kerry spent 4 days in the stockade??

By Empress of Elba

March 19, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

WS,

That article was not only about Utah. You may be cheered with the news that San Franciso had a pretty good turnout.

If only they could attract some young people…

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Big Bad Elephant,

Why do you think the Social Disease won’t tell us his secret knowledge of Al Gore going AWOL? Maybe after seeing this nobody wanted him around.

By @@

March 19, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

Please quit linking to “California Nuts”, I may take it personally.

BTW, you can buy a 3lb. bag of pistachios on the roadside for $2.00. I guess “California Nuts” come at a cheap price.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

@@,

Or these, the awards you want to bestow on our fellow bloggers?

The greatest honor history can bestow is that of peacemaker. Richard M. Nixon

By Joe Roman

March 19, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

Faye, ‘hear’ is what ears do. ‘here’ indicates presence. Yeah, you are Mr. Credibility, no doubt about it.

By Semper FI

March 19, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Thanks little joey. I didn’t now that. You so martass.

By @@

March 19, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

Whaddayaknow Joe. I’m going to correct my spelling on “Socialist Dick-tator” to “Socialist Dick-tater.” In the interest of the southern hospitality afforded us by the AJC.

Back to my dumplings!

By Souldrift

March 19, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Sad that it takes such a simple cartoon to point out a glaringly obvious truth: The Bush administration’s four-plus years of being in charge, with a Republican Congress, have produced a bloated national security apparatus which has some presence in airports but little at our ports; and this was possible because nobody was watching.

Why? Too difficult to answer briefly, but did anyone notice that Bush’s friends the UAE royals were the same folks whose presence at a camp in 1998/99 prevented us from getting Bin Laden before 2001? Does this not drip of irony?

You can bet that the truth will be spun in 2008 to say that since Bush wasn’t a “real” conservative, we should elect yet another Republican to “get it right” instead of going with a more sensible alternative, a Democrat.

Blog and Tan

By Semper FI

March 19, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Sensible Democrat??? now that was funny, I don’t care who you are. And someone said you folks didn’t have a sense of humor.

By Semper FI

March 19, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Now that was wrong of me. You guys do have Zell Miller. Of course, he votes Republican, when it counts.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

@@,

Like this one?

She’s averaging just two days per month here. The next morning she will fly off again, the surreal star of what is — depending largely on one’s political perspective — either an epic tragedy or a farce. After stops for protests in New Orleans and Washington, D.C., she will breakfast in Manhattan with actress Susan Sarandon, who is set to portray her in a biopic movie. A crew will film Sheehan for a weekly reality series on the Sundance Channel. Her letters to President Bush inspired “Peace Mom,” a one-woman monologue show in London. A memoir is due to her publisher April 1.

And she hopes to reschedule a trip to address the European Union, postponed, she says, because of injuries when she was arrested yet again and jailed earlier this month on charges of blocking entrance to the U.S. Mission to the United Nations.

A year ago, when The Chronicle’s Insight section profiled the Sheehan family, Cindy was a rather anonymous Vacaville mom, shaken by the fact that her son has been killed by an ambush halfway across the globe. Six months later, when she pitched a tent outside President Bush’s Texas ranch and demanded he explain the “noble cause” for which Casey was sacrificed, her plaintive cry seized the moment in America. By injecting aching humanity into the political debate, she catalyzed public opinion against the war.

Sorry!

By Conservatives Lie First and Suck Later!

March 19, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

How appropriate the party emblems are this political season:

Elephant- Gray mammal, nearly extinct but still found in isolated enclaves and reserves where they are herded, controlled, and manipulated into performing circus tricks by their “handlers”. Each individual produces over a ton of dung and 2000 liters of methane gas each day.

Donkey- Gray mammal, numerous while living large and free on every continent of the globe. So stubborn and fiercely independent that it can be reliably controlled by no “handlers” anywhere.

What do you call an elephant in glass slippers?- Cinderellephant. (hah)

Elephant- a rat built to big government specification. (hah, hah, hah)

BIG FAT Elephant- a rat built to big “Bush” government specifications. (hah, hah, hah, hah, hah, hah, hah, hah, hah)

By @@

March 19, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Well R.W., I’m beginning to think that you may be one of those who does not like to receive awards.

Don’t go poking the bear.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

RW,

I agree

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

RW,

Thanks for sharing the pictures! I particularly like the ones with the Peace Towels - always prepared to jump in the bathwater together.

As for the Vacaville Mom being the inspiration for a “one-woman monologue show in London”, I thought that they already exhausted the feminist monologue genre when it reached its, er, climax with The V**** Monologues.

Lucky for us, we have her memoirs to look forward to. Although it could be a joke, as they come out on April Fool’s Day…

@@,

Socialist-Dick-taters is delicious!

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

@@,

You’re very confusing. The last time you were giving out awards I had to do things like mention various Vacaville residents to get one. One I never got, I might add and there was supposed to be one left.

Good news for you, though. It looks like the race is being postponed until tomorrow so all your new friends can stick around.

By Semper FI

March 19, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

CLFSL. So much for the animal world. Republicans continue to control the US, as it should be.

You did leave out that in some countries, elephants do all the heavy lifting, much the same in the US.

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

CLFASL (an A-SS and proud of it!)

Did it take you all day to come up with that? You are no Ambrose Bierce, that is certain.

In the immortal words of Napolean Dynamite:

……………………effing Idiot!

By Conservatives Lie First and Suck Later!

March 19, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

BIG FAT Elephant- unlike you “Jesus-Haters” (he doesn’t like war-mongers, you know), I go to church services on Sunday mornings with my wife and kids and coach a youth team after where I try to impress upon my kids the difference between Republican “say everything/do nothings” and the Democrat standing before them. See you pseudo-Christians later, I must go “corrupt” some more impressionable youth!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Hey CLFSL: Hee Haw, Hee Haw, you as-s.

Anti-war protesters in SLC, elsewhere lament apathy

“There’s just about more policemen here than people,” said the Democratic candidate for the Utah House of Representatives in District 40, nodding to the squadron of eight motorcycle officers parked alongside 400 South. “I guess the longer the war goes on, the more people accept it.”

Why, maybe not that many people are stupid enough to want to be enslaved under Islamic Facism? Could it possibly be? They want, gasp, America to win?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday that Iraq is not in the midst of a civil war, but instead described the violence as a desperate tactic by terrorists in the country to stop the move to democracy.

“What we’ve seen is a serious effort by them to foment a civil war,” Cheney said in an interview on “Face the Nation” on CBS on the third anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. “But I don’t think they’ve been successful.”

Yes, but it provided at least a week or two of happiness, right finch?

By Big Bad Elephant

March 19, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

CLFASL,

My, my, my - aren’t we sanctimonious! Right out of the Ted Kennedy playbook.

That’s just great. Brainwash the little kiddies on the team with Hate Republicans Harangues. That’s really Christ-like of you.

Has your wife read this to them yet?

It was that ridiculous, and dare I say “mean-spirited”, book which inspired my current “screen” name.

By @@

March 19, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

I was going to test your skills in observation, which I determine to be very keen.

I was going to make it easy with a ^^^^ reference assigning a number of ^’s. However, I have no way of determining who may post before me, so numbers can’t apply.

Here is the question…..”Do I dare???????”

I know what the answer should be. If you get it right, I will give you the “nut with teeth” award for all the wrong reasons.

Nothing is going on here right now, so have fun.

Don’t presume that Getalife was giving you an award earlier. He was agreeing with me. Don’t poke the bear. Am I right Getalife?

Don’t let this puzzle distract you from any worthy topics of debate however. I enjoy learning.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

@@,

A conundrum wrapped inside of a riddle posing as a puzzle eh…The correct answer should be no, but is yes! Getalife was likely passing out an award to me, he’s far less disciplined than you.

By finch

March 19, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

And what do Dick (Sure Shot) Cheney, Donald (the Army you have) Rumsfeld, and Suck have in common? Teeny, tiny minds.

“The Vietnam War experience can’t tell us anything about the war in Iraq – or so it is said. If you believe that, try looking through this lens, and you may change your mind…”

“The Vietnam War had three phases. The War in Iraq has already completed an analogous first phase, is approaching the end of the second phase, and shows signs of entering the third…”

“Only by getting out of Iraq can the United States possibly gain sufficient international support to design a new strategy for limiting the burgeoning growth of anti-Western forces it has unleashed in the Middle East and Southwest Asia.”

(Lieutenant General William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.) was Director of the National Security Agency from 1985 to 1988.)

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

You’ve got to appreciate the graphics person at CBS running the score on the Bradley game:

Brad

Pitt

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

If you were wondering why the name Lieutenant General William E. Odom didn’t jump out at you as a great American Patriot, this could be why:

What’s wrong with cutting and running?- Lieutenant General William E. Odom

Isn’t that nice, finch found a kook to back him and his goofball ideas up.

Hey, isn’t it about time for you crackpots to start with the 100,000 soldiers lost if we invade Iran prophecies? How the revolutionary guard will push us into the sea?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

Oh look, a “civil war” in France:

French youths riot over jobs law

Check and see if I’m right one year from now (Is there any doubt): France will be worse and Iraq will be better.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

I think this would be sending the right message to the world

Brilliant!

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

@@,

I think you are having a senior moment. The follow up post about the Carlyle group wasn’t mine. Look at your logs again.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Suck,

What you really mean is that he is not the kind of source you would agree with. Like Powell’s chief aid? Someone here disagreed with his assesment of Iraq because he used the word “cabal” when referring to the various members of the cabinet in favor of sexing up the intelligence in the lead up to the war. Really good reason to discount his testimony. It seems that every person who has left the Bush administration with tales that reflect poorly on the administration has a credibility problems with the diehard (but endagered) loyalists here. Cherry picking your facts again?

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

Senior moment? it sure looks like it came from WashingtonState.

Sorry for answering, but it seems @@ is wrapped up in some strange puzzle. If you mean the wiki post it clearly shows that it was from her as “Objective Observer”. Maybe you are having the senior moment.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

I tell you what, Washington State, you come up with one more general that agrees with Odom and I’ll consider whether I’m “cherry picking” my facts. If there are 200 generals involved in the actual Iraq war, not some bitter old rejected sideliner with dementia, than I have 200 generals on my side.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

RW, I posted one comment in follow up, I think to suck because he went off on one of his unintelligible rampages, but after that, I was out of here. Sorry to disappoint you.

By @@

March 19, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState:

SENIOR MOMENT…SENIOR MOMENT. I beg your pardon!!! Worthy response!! Looking beyond the obvious always reveals something closer to the truth. I was glad to help with the follow-up. People are out there looking in you know.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

Now we’re talking:

The good news is that House conservatives in the Republican Study Committee understand the perilous problem and have introduced a bold spending cut plan. The RSC’s “Contract with America: Renewed” would balance the budget in five years with over 150 cuts to discretionary and entitlement programs.

Here is a sampling of the RSC’s proposals:

Corporate welfare. The RSC plan would scale back farm subsidies, subsidies for fossil fuels and renewable energy, and Commerce Department business subsidies. It would end subsidies for Amtrak, maritime interests and rural air service.

Entitlement programs. Medicaid would be turned into a block grant, and the annual growth in federal Medicaid costs would be limited to 4 percent. Medicare reforms would include higher premiums and deductibles, means-testing for the prescription benefit, and various changes to cut program costs.

By @@

March 19, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

Screw one on R.W. The right answer for the wrong reason. A “no” followed by a “yes”.

Colorful confetti, balloons, and those little swirly things decend upon your head. Party horns emit sounds of revelry. Well-wishers are slapping you on the back. Women are giving you hugs and kisses. This is, indeed a glorious moment.

Congratulations! Wear it with pride.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Here is the comment in question:

Upon Washington State’s return and to enhance on his 3:48 conspiracy theory he posted.

There are alot of suspicious characters in The Carlyle Group.

I categorically deny having posted that.

BTW, sorry, I made two posts in reply to Sucks rampage.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

@@,

I was not trying to be offensive when I made the “senior moment” comment. I started having them when I turned 40. It just seemed like the kindest explanation for the misunderstanding.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

She only shows one post from you. Geez learn to read before you bite someones head off. It’s right ^ ^ ^ up there.

Here I’ll make it easy for you

This is all she attributes to you:

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 03:48 PM

Here’s an interesting follow up to the Dubai fiasco. Shall auld acquaintances be forgot?

Are you claiming you didn’t post that?

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

RW,

Of course I posted that. But the next post attributed to me is not from me. And if you consider my attributing that to a “senior moment” biting her head off, you are obviously not a senior yet.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

@@,

I’m honored and humbled not to mention feeling the love.

Did I mention I really love what nuts with teeth attract?

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

RW,

Upon Washington State’s return and to enhance on his 3:48 conspiracy theory he posted.

There are alot of suspicious characters in The Carlyle Group.

That I did not post. I am sorry, but my brain works in a sequential fashion. If someone posts that “upon my return” I made the post “There are a lot of suspicious characters in the Carlyle Group,” then I obviously think they are referring to the post I allegedly made on my return.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

There is no next post attributed to you. Try reading it again. I also thought it was my head you were biting off not hers.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

ARRRRGH!

I am not biting anyone’s head off and that post still looks to me like someone is saying that upon my return I made a post about the Carlyle Group. I guess it isn’t that important anyway. I was just trying to set off the nuts on both sides.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

RW,

I can’t see this

Are those Falcon cheerleaders?

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

@@,

This little spat reminds me that I never did thank you for your informative post about the Carlyle Group members.

So, better late than never………..Thanks!

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

ARRRRGH! Ditto!

If you ever revisit the post try thinking like a woman so that can follow the curvaceous flow of the point the post makes. She posted the Wiki link to show you what other characters were involved with the Carlyle group in an attempt to refute your 3:48 allegation that it was just a bunch of Republicans.

Why oh why did I ever try to explain that in the first place?????

By @@

March 19, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState:

I thought you were being facetious. My mistake. I don’t take the senior moment personally. I do, however, worry about those who are looking in. I would want them to get all the facts before they make important decisions.

Maybe it is the wording, allow me…

“To enhance on the conspiracy theory you (Washington State) posted at 3:48 (first link), @@ would like to offer additional information (second link) for a more complete view of The Carlyle Group”.

How’s that?

Your link, I feel, contributed to those many conspiracy theories which are unfounded. Not that I think you contribute “many” of those.

@@ is leaving now, sorry to have caused all this trouble. She is going to watch the “Bad Boy” Russell Crowe in Gladiator. Give R.W. a hardy slap on the back. He has just won a long-awaited and well-deserved award.

OMG, I’m starting to sound like Big Daddy with my 3rd person self.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I couldn’t post the picture I wanted to use without burning down ml’s server. The site I stole the picture from says they are Falcon cheerleaders, but I didn’t notice the year.

By WashingtonState

March 19, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

RW,

I made no allegation that it was just a bunch of Republicans. If you actually read the article, it doesn’t have much substance. The Carlyle Group formed a unit to study the purchasing of U.S. infrastructure the day after the Dubai deal collapsed. They deny having any designs on the ports involved in the Dubai deal. I just floated my post out there to see what the reaction was.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

RW,

Well I noticed [this] was trying to put both posts together.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

How about implied allegation. I was only helping explain @@’s posted response. I am not a mind reader, but I think I got pretty close after reading @@’s 6:35.

I never read your link and now I think I will run screaming from anyone that ever mentions the Carlyle group. Suffice it to say the explanation of your reading of @@’s post got 1000 times more reaction than whatever you tried to elicit the first time.

I am not taking this any further as I want to bask in the glory of my toothy nut award and make an effort to get the daily double by coming up with something “Brilliant!” for getalife.

By Midori

March 19, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

Change of Heartland

Interesting read.

Makes me almost miss living in Indianapolis.

By getalife

March 19, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

RW, I noticed this was trying to put both posts together.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 07:56 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I also noticed that you answered the question two threads down on Rummy’s article.

By Kofi Annan (just for tonight)

March 19, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

Before a minor Civil War breaks out, I feel compelled to intercede in the complicated W.S./R.W./@@ entanglement.

I certainly got the impression that W.S. was attempting to put the now Unmentionable Group in the Halliburton/evil Republicans basket!

I can’t imagine why I thought that, but could it have had something to do with the sort of stuff W.S. usually posts? Could there be a reason that some posters sometimes refer to him as “Clueless in Seattle”?

And @@ does deserve recognition for being the “Whistle Blower”!

Why can’t we just get along?

By getalife

March 19, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

RW,

I did not want to be the only one at the orgy.

By @@

March 19, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

Kofi:

I appreciate WS and RW, and I hope that they will forgive my mischievious ways.

We shall overcome and get along. I deem it to be so.

Thanks for joining in the fun. It was fun for me anyway.

WashingtonState/R.W.???

By finch

March 19, 2006 08:26 PM | Link to this

Midori,

The article about second thoughts in Indiana about the Iraq war is liberally tainted with liberal bias. For shame!

For one thing, it’s in the Boston Globe, owned by the New York Times. For another, it’s datelined South Bend, home of Notre Dame and a hotbed of liberals and Catholics.

Why do they hate America??

/sarcasm off

By @@

March 19, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

My apologies.

Getalife: When and where shall we meet for our deliberations. Do I need to bring an overnight bag?

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2006 08:33 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I don’t blame you - that would be very dull and could be potentially embarrassing - especially if your idea of an orgy happened to involve wearing a costume.

There are few things worse (other than spilling soda on one’s pants) than showing up at a party completely over/underdressed.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

@@,

I can’t say it was particularly fun, although most of the time I enjoy a conversation with WS. I think this time we both wanted to reach through the screen and shake the other one to get them to see what we were saying.

Nothing can shake from the glow of receiving my [fine award] and I think mine is much nicer than the previous batch. I just have to decide if I’m my toothy nut is an inny or an outy.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

fine award

By @@

March 19, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this

I was really tempted to send R.W. running and screaming, by mentioning The * Group, but I didn’t want to poke the ….. Aaahhhhhh!!!!! Soooo cute!

By Liberals Suck And Discriminate

March 19, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this

I still think they could have made a better choice for Cindy Sheehan than Susan Sarandon:

The Perfect Pick

Oh well, it was only time before the great big liberal history rewrite machine gave Cindy some glamor. But that still leaves the problem with her brain or does that matter to a pinko?

By getalife

March 19, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

@@,

I think a brilliant award should go to RW for posting a story about a judge and a orgy.

BD,

“Soda pants” from the “Freedom” thread was one crazy character.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

This is pitiful, sort of like the civil war hopefuls, talk about needing to get a life:

Global War Protests Attract Smaller Crowds

Only about 200 joined a march Sunday down New York’s Fifth Avenue, with signs including: “We the People Need to do More to End the War.”

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 19, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

George W Bush, awesome American leader:

“Today, my reflections are upon the sacrifices of the men and women who wear our uniform. … They volunteer — many volunteered after 9/11 knowing full well that their time in the military could put them in harm’s way. I think that all Americans should offer thanks to the men and women who wear the uniform and to their families who support them.

“May God continue to bless our troops in harm’s way,” he added.

Amen.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

getalife,

The only problem with my orgy thread is that Buy Danish has been the only female brave enough to venture in.

Just the other day you were complaining about me hoarding women at my site and now look what’s happened.

Check that “OO” just arrived things are starting to even out.

By Midori

March 19, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

Happy Hour Already?

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

Midori/finch,

That Heartland article was a none too subtle attempt to sterotype Republicans as a bunch of (hint hint) uneducated yahoos.

Let’s see, we were introduced to the owner of a plumbing company, a woman who sells bird houses and seed at the farmers’ market, a retired manager at an aircraft wheels and brakes factory, a baseball team coach (Yay!), a retired trucker sitting near video poker machines at the back of a smoke-filled tobacco bar in LaPorte, The owner of Allie’s Café, a retired automotive engineer, and a waitress at the South Junction Café.

The one Democrat in the story? A lawyer.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Woops, make that “stereotype”. Wouldn’t want a typo to stereotype me now, would I?

I blame all my typos on poor eyesight and poor typing skills - not a lack of education.

By @@

March 19, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Midori:

Cheney prefers “birdshot”.

By finch

March 19, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Seriously, you have a point. Put a good writer in any US city and tell him/her to write an article profiling “regular folks” who are for/against the subject du jour, and you’ll end up with a well written article that may tug at your heartstrings or make you angry, but will prove absolutely nothing.

By @@

March 19, 2006 09:19 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

The only Democrat in the group. I hope that link worked.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Finch,

That article did neither. If I were from Indiana I’d be angry for stereotyping the entire state, but I’m not so I don’t care.

It just made me laugh. I mean, could it be anymore obvious?

@@,

A metro-sexual lawyer no doubt! How positively quiche-ey.

By Midori

March 19, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

I see the same mindless drones are here, furiously trying to make some sense out of the senseless, justify the unjustifiable, and frantically trying to pump up their applications to appear before a Bush pre-screened “town hall” Q&A.

birdshot, indeed

has it really been three years?

I think I’ll visit some friends in Indianapolis later this year. Being that tornado season is almost upon them, and judging from the “super-duper” way Katrina was dealt with, I’m going to have to wait until the all clear signal is given.

Good night.

By Bill

March 20, 2006 02:46 AM | Link to this

FAT SLOB ELEPHANT: Now, what would a pervert like you know about Christ??

I love watching you Super-Christie hillbillies inject good ol Jesus into your “politics.” Yawn.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 05:25 AM | Link to this

Do voters and taxpayers really want Harlem Democrat Charlie Rangel as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee? Let’s take a peak into the future: In the House, Rangel will ignite tax-hike legislation. Next door in the Senate, Democrat Ted Kennedy will look to raise the minimum wage. Trial lawyers will rule the roost in their battle to undermine business. Wacko left-wing attempts to censure or impeach President Bush will move to center stage. Cut-and-run will become our new defense policy.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 06:38 AM | Link to this

Saddam’s Philippines Terror Connection And other revelations from the Iraqi regime files.- by Stephen F. Hayes- Weekly Standard

SADDAM HUSSEIN’S REGIME PROVIDED FINANCIAL support to Abu Sayyaf, the al Qaeda-linked jihadist group founded by Osama bin Laden’s brother-in-law in the Philippines in the late 1990s, according to documents captured in postwar Iraq. An eight-page fax dated June 6, 2001, and sent from the Iraqi ambassador in Manila to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Baghdad, provides an update on Abu Sayyaf kidnappings and indicates that the Iraqi regime was providing the group with money to purchase weapons. The Iraqi regime suspended its support—temporarily, it seems—after high-profile kidnappings, including of Americans, focused international attention on the terrorist group.

No link. No link. No link. No link. No link. No link. No link. No link. No link. No link. No link. No link.

I responded for the pinkos, aren’t I just so polite?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 06:50 AM | Link to this

From Iraq’s front line, it looks like the media has lost the plotMarch 19, 2006

SOLDIER friend stationed in Baghdad for the past two months has been sending me emails with such arresting lines as: “It’s late here and I [have] to get the Chief of Staff back to the Palace.”

But with the third anniversary of the Iraq invasion tomorrow, he says, “the only people who seem to have lost both their grip on reality and their nerve are the western media” (not to mention some pinkos).

His reality is quite different: “I am more and more impressed with the Iraqis every day. There are problems, to be sure, but I do not know of any country that has gone through the sorts of upheavals that this one has without any problems.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 07:08 AM | Link to this

Some newspapers and blogs across the country trumpeted the findings of the Zogby poll, which was conducted from mid-January to mid-February. They said the survey portended disaster for the U.S. in Iraq, as if the loss of faith of the common soldier on the ground reflected some kind of turning point in the war.

As critics of the Iraq war rallied around that 72% figure on withdrawal, defenders of the policy trashed Zogby’s methods and questioned the poll’s motives. The firm has been tight-lipped about its methodology, citing “security purposes.”

There is, however, one telling hint: A quarter of those surveyed were female, but only about 15% of U.S. forces in Iraq are female. This indicates that the sample was skewed toward logistical support troops as opposed to front-line combat forces.

Another slanted poll? Asking the women if they want to go home and using the obvious answer as proof of US policy failure? Are you kidding me? Is this not proof of how absolutely out of touch and stupid the liberals are?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 07:38 AM | Link to this

“There is no middle ground. The enemy will emerge from Iraq one of two ways: emboldened or defeated,” Bush said. “We will not lose our nerve.”

Americans and Iraqis are at a key juncture. In the coming weeks, we will have to endure more of the kind of bloody conflict that followed the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra.

“The terrorists attacked the Golden Mosque for a reason,” Bush said. “They know that they lack the military strength to challenge Iraqi and coalition forces directly, so their only hope is to try and provoke a civil war.”

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 07:40 AM | Link to this

Toward the end of his speech at the university, Bush read excerpts from a letter written by Debbie Kinzer, an Army mom whose son, Scott, was killed in Iraq last year while securing polling sites for the elections. The president often gets such letters:

These words are straight from a shattered but healing mother’s heart. … My son made the decision to join the Army. He believed that what he was involved in would eventually change Iraq. … On his last visit home, … I asked him what I would ever do if something happened to him. … He smiled at me with - his blue eyes sparkled as he said, ‘Mom, I love my job. … If I should die I would die happy, does life get any better than this?’

Please do not … let his dying be in vain. … Don’t let my son have given his all for an unfinished job. … Please … complete the mission.

Sgt. Kinzer, 27, was engaged to be married, and just a few weeks from returning home, when he was killed by a rocket-propelled grenade in Ad Duluiyah, just east of Samarra, on Jan. 26, 2005.

“I make this promise to Debbie, and all the families of the fallen heroes. We will not let your loved ones’ dying be in vain,” Bush said.

“We will finish what we started in Iraq,” he said. “We will complete the mission.”

By clark

March 20, 2006 07:43 AM | Link to this

Suck; I finally understand! It’s not ok and treason if Dem say they are against the war, but it’s ok when you degrade our service women. I finally see the light. Hallelujah.

Another slanted poll? Asking the women if they want to go home and using the obvious answer as proof of US policy failure? Are you kidding me?

By Big Bad Elephant

March 20, 2006 07:50 AM | Link to this

Bill,

In two short sentences you have illustrated that you are an ignorant and bigoted fool.

Since nothing that you said has any basis in fact, I have an idea: Why don’t you censure me?

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

LS&L,

Great link to Stephen Hayes! Jayna Davis, author of “The Third Terrorist” may also find it interesting

I look forward to finch’s deconstruction…

finch,

Are you awake yet?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

clark: If you think I’m going to join you in space orbit, think again. It’s called reality dude, you should try it. Rear Echolon MoFo’s are notoriously whiney, they could be registered pinkos as good as they are at it, and now we are going to throw a slanted woman’s opinion on top of that? And called it foreign policy?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Danish: You know what’s so cool about all these documents, they’ve only released 3 out of 9000 so far, two of them established a solid link between Saddam and Al Qaeda, the other one has Iraq brimming with WMD (clean up the traces of chemicals that we don’t have, now!) One wonders what the other 8997 will say. Saddam paid for 9/11?

Whatever comes to light, it will be a sad, morose, mournful day for the pinko nation. Their whole existence the last 5 years has been based on Bush Lied! and now it looks like Bush Told The Truth!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

They’re putting on a show for you liberals in Iraq, it’s the only news they know how to produce:

BAGHDAD, Iraq — Suspected insurgents marked the third anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq Monday with roadside bombings that killed at least seven policemen, and authorities reported finding 10 more bullet-riddled bodies dumped in the capital, one of them a 13-year-old girl.

Aren’t they just so brave, killing 13 year olds, that’s your army, finch.

By RE

March 20, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I really think you need to get some help. You have lost all sense of reality and are sucked into your own little world. Have you noticed the only writer really pushing this Saddam link is Hayes from the weekly standard. I know he is giving you just what you want, but not even the White house is trying to push any of this. Let me break down a few things for you, come on back to reality:

President Bush is very unpopular, about one person in three think he is doing a good job.

The war in Iraq is very unpopular, as is bush’s handeling of it.

We are not fighting al-quada in Iraq as much as we are trying to stop a civil war from starting.

Most of the Iraqi troops who are able to fight and protect thier own neighborhoods are sectarian militias, such as the mahdi army

No matter how hard you try, you cannot win a civil war if you are not on either side.

The US media never had a part in the planning, deployment, or tactics of this war, they are not in any way responsible for it’s outcome.

By getalife

March 20, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Obviously, some did not watch the Sunday talk shows all saying how bad the war in Iraq is going.

Some are calling for Cheney, Rumsfeld and all others involved to resign or be fired.

Of course, this will never happen and business as usual will happen in Iraq. Lots of killing going on for our Christian wingnuts to praise.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Iraqi tribal fighters kill al-Qaida terrorists- 13/03/2006

An armed group created with government backing to drive al-Qaida fighters out of a restive Iraqi province today claimed it had killed five top members of the terror group.

“Your brothers, heroes of the Revenge Brigade, carried out the killing of five important elements of al Qaida group, avenging the death of the sons of our Ramadi city,” said the Anbar Revenge Brigade, recently formed by tribal leaders of the western Anbar province.

As they stand up, we stand down.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

[Insurgents claim al Qaeda backers purged from Anbar](http://washingtontimes.com/world/20060313-102837-7319r.htm

BAGHDAD — Insurgent groups in one of Iraq’s most violent provinces claim they have purged the region of three-quarters of al Qaeda’s supporters after forming an alliance to force out the foreign fighters.

If true, it would mark a significant victory in the fight against Abu Musab Zarqawi, the head of al Qaeda in Iraq, and could partly explain the considerable drop in suicide bombings in Iraq recently.

Looks like Al Qaeda is the one with the civil war.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Are liberals ever right about ANYTHING?

That was then -

1965:

Congress eliminates the “national origins” quota system by passage of the Immigration Reform Act of 1965. Chief Senate sponsor, Sen. Edward Kennedy, argues: “[O]ur cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same.” Kennedy’s ally, Sen. Hyram Fong, urges passage of the bill, telling Congress: “I just want to make this point because the argument that the cultural pattern of the U.S. will be changed needs to be answered. Our cultural pattern will never be changed as far as America is concerned.”

This is now -

2006:

Kennedy: Immigration, border control ‘broken’ He says the situation involves national security and needs fixing

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Looks like some of the people in here can’t distinguish in between protecting the United States from future terrorist attacks and stupid democrat political stunts that endanger national security in an election year. Thankfully, Bush is not as stupid as, let’s say, getalife or RE, and he will remain focused on protecting us, instead of making as-sinine political promises.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

RE,

Go back and read the article. Stephen Hayes is NOT the only one on this story - he just happens to be an “expert” on the topic.

Just because the MSM is not “on” this story does not make it any less true.

The only way to discount this newly released data is to claim that it is all a hoax.

Try it. Your moonbat friends will jump right on a theory like that.

getalife,

I watched Company of Heroes with Greg Palkot last night. Way better than a bunch of talking heads

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Al-Sadr calls for declaring Al-Zarqawi disbeliever- AlArab Online

Iraqi Shiite leader Moqtada Al-Sadr called upon all Iraqi parties and classes to join in signing a memorandum calling for peace and calm, and asking the Iraqi Sunni clergies to declare Al-Zarqawi and his followers infidels.

We can believe people that are like actually in Iraq and are in charge of a huge portion of the population, you know, in touch with the reality on the ground, or we can believe Harry Reid.

Go for it, dumas-ses, hee haw.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

A story from within the borders of Iraq, where people know nothing about their own situation and must turn to the democratic national committee for the truth:

Fewer insurgents enter Iraq from Syria, Russia says.

Source: Reuters

UNITED NATIONS, March 8 (Reuters) - Fewer insurgents are crossing the border from Syria into Iraq these days to take part in attacks on Iraqi targets, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

Looking for good news on Iraq, instead of the stupid political stunt BS that the liberals have to offer?:

The Other Side of the Story There’s good news from Iraq.

Here you go.

By RE

March 20, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

What political stunts you poor deranged man? You have a problem with reality, not with any political party. You are really going insane, I hope you get help.

Let me explain, if all you want is war, which comes to about 1 billion dollars per week, and you want to expand the war to fight syria, iran or anyone else….at some point you must pay for it. So do you want more war and higher taxes, or peace and lower taxes?

By getalife

March 20, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

They just want bombs and death.

It does not matter we can’t pay for it. They want our children and their children to pay.

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

The definition of dhimmitude, by RE:

So do you want more war and higher taxes, or peace and lower taxes?

OBL couldn’t have said it better. “America can be at peace simply by refusing to fight”

RE, Peace is not just the absence of war.

By George

March 20, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Nice try RE but Andy is so far gone that only intervention will help. Trying Logic on him will only make him post more strange stuff because then he knows that someone is actually looking at his postings. Most of us just skip over his postings because it only make sense in Andy’s little world.

Remember this one? It’s so nice to be insane, No one asks you to explain….

If you ask Andy to explain somthing then the only result is that you and anyone with a brain will end up going WTF since it only make sense in Andy’s home planet.

By Midori

March 20, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

LOLOLOL

Most of us just skip over his postings because it only make sense in Andy’s little world.

I thought I was the only one :)

When he blows, it ain’t gonna be pretty. That’s for sure.

By Andy

March 20, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

This may be too hard for some of you pinko liberals to understand but “Andy’s World” has a link to an article attached to every single solitary one of his posts. Most of them are from people on the ground in the war zone. Each one of these columns is the alternate view of the Iraq War compared to what Pelosi or Boxer has to say on the Sunday shows.

Believe what you will, jacka-sses, hee haw, hee haw.

By RE

March 20, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

RW, Could you show me that trick where no matter how much we as a nation spend, we still never have to raise taxes.

You are correct, if we refused to fight in iraq, we would have been at peace right now, we would be a few billion less in debt, would have some credibility left in the world. Do you feel like your 500 billion in tax money has been well spent on your safety? Do you really feel that this was the best possible way the govt. could have spent a half trillion dollars.

I hope you come to your senses soon, our country is much more vulnerable now becasue of Iraq, we cannot project any type of land based threat to other countries, we have dissolved most of our alliances, and have ruined our reputation in the world community.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

More than 7,000 people marched through downtown Chicago on Saturday, saying the war diverts money from domestic needs (terrorist attacks for welfare?) and demanding the U.S. pull out of Iraq.

Many of the protests drew smaller-than-anticipated crowds — far short of the millions who protested the Iraq invasion in March 2003 and the anniversary in 2004.

It’s a lie! More people were there, in spirit! I saw Bush’s cabinet marching!

By Sigmund Freud

March 20, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

One one have to be INSANE to ignore this:

Saddam’s Philippines Terror Connection -
And other revelations from the Iraqi regime files

Don’t shoot the messenger.

By RE

March 20, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

“Each one of these columns is the alternate view of the Iraq War compared to what Pelosi or Boxer has to say on the Sunday shows”

Or Chuck Hagel, or George Will, Or Pat Buchanan, or Bill Buckley, or….lets see, just about anyone with any credibility

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

RE,

I don’t buy your various premises, but here are a few of your fellow travelers.

By getalife

March 20, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

I hope you come to your senses soon

Not going to happen, W calls it “resolve”.

The security money not spent on controlling the borders or posts is a terrorists welcome mat.

Illustrated in Mike’s latest “brilliant” cartoon!

By Sigmund Freud

March 20, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

RE,

You are babbling again. Sure sign of psychosis.

Try reading the Stephen Hayes article - if nothing else it will occupy you long enough to stop your jabberwocky rants for awhile.

By George

March 20, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

RE

Now that we are spending $200 million a day for Bush’s Fantasy War, don’t forget that your children will have to pay the tab in the end. Some Legacy huh!

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Here is the SoCal version be sure to see the slide show.

By RE

March 20, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Thanks for not buying the premise, how about this one, when you spend money, it means you are in debt. That is something to be repaid, as a nation, it usually comes from taxes. Who is going to pay the half trillion we have spent so far while protecting tax cuts?

What part of paying your debts do you not get?

By Sigmund Freud

March 20, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

RE,

*Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez, a strident Bush critic, said world opinion is turning against the war as he offered some of his harshest criticisms of the U.S. president in months.

“The world is opposed to your war, Mr. Danger,” Chavez said Sunday on his weekly television and radio program. He also called Bush a “coward,” a “donkey” and a “drunkard.”

Impeach Mr. Danger! Viva Los Communistas!

By getalife

March 20, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Sigmund Freud,

Afghanistan Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah has claimed that Al-Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden, his deputy Ayman Zawahiri and Taliban leader Mullah Omar are “all together” and “in Pakistan”.

I thought we were going after the people involved in 9/11. Please use your expertise and explain these current events.

By RE

March 20, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Chavez is right on this one. Here is a guilt by association agruement, it is very weak. Just because Chavez thinks the war in iraq is a bad idea, than by me thinking the iraq war was a mistake, I am somehow supporting chavez.

You are wrong, it is a false arguement. I bet Cavez thinks child rapists should be locked up and your should help old ladies cross the street, by agreeing with some of his opinions, it does not mean I support him.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Peace just a breath away, says Sharon Stone

Don’t hold your breath?

By Sigmund Freud

March 20, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Have you ever heard of “The Armies of Bin Laden”? They are everywhere.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

RE,

No, just Chavez and all the Marxist/Islamist anti-war protestors that finch claims don’t really represent the anti-war movement.

RW,

I love the term “Moronic Convergence”.

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

RE,

You could follow the typical Democrat model and raise taxes which will raise more money in the short term, but will always plunge the economy into a recession in a few years. The former President, that can’t be named here without moonbat head explosions messing up the place, left office with the economy beginning to have negative economic growth. If his policies were so sound why was this?

Then you have the Republican model which is to lower taxes thus stimulating economic growth and ultimately bringing more revenue in by increasing the number of contributers.

Try this out. You are an events promoter with a 20,000 seat venue. Would you be better off selling 10,000 seats for $100.00 each or 20,000 seats for $75.00?

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

The one before that from Zombie (which is yet to be completed) at 11:01 has a few great pictures that are so typical. NBC picks out one of the only normal looking people in the whole march to make the “face of the protest” and the kid with the “we support the insurgency” sign while walking around with his nearly naked girlfriend are a couple of my favorites.

By George

March 20, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

RW,

I thought the Republican model was to spend like there is no tomorrow and let someone else worry about paying for it.

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Well George,

You would be wrong.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

RE,

The Contract with America Renewed How to fight a tax Hike

Here’s a Plan!

By getalife

March 20, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

I like this one

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

The Dem Recess Packet; A Map Of Dems’ Midterm Political Strategy Mon Mar 20 2006 08:07:38 ET

THE DRUDGE REPORT has obtained a copy of the “game plan” devised by the office of Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) office for Democrat Senators with political tips on how to use the war in Iraq against the Bush administration in their home states over recess break.

Harry Reid using the war against the Bush Administration? Why, nobody would be stupid enough to fall for that political stunt, would they?

By RE March 20, 2006 10:15 AM

What political stunts you poor deranged man? You have a problem with reality, not with any political party. You are really going insane, I hope you get help. Waaaaaa, Waaaaaa, hee haw, hee haw.

By getalife March 20, 2006 09:39 AM

Obviously, some did not watch the Sunday talk shows all saying how bad the war in Iraq is going. The Sunday shows, gasp, it has to be true! They’re not political at all.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

RW,

I don’t know what’s funnier - the photos or the comments. That rainbow bikini would go over really well with the “resistance fighters”.

Its always handy to have some faux-Abu Ghraib costumes available to borrow. In the event that the scantily clad protestors offend anyone, they can always double as a Burhka.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

O.K. since the goofball liberals on here only tell you what they heard and expect you to just believe them, I’ll start posting links to their sources. Consider it a continuing public service based upon my proper Christian upbringing of being open to all sides of the argument:

REOPEN 9/11 ORG, Catch the real terrorists!

Proof Blue Screen Technology Faked 2nd Plane!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

The world can’t wait! Drive out the Bush Regime!

Your government is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule!

Your government enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance!

People look at all this and think of Hitler — and they are right to do so. The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come. We must act now; the future is in the balance!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

Radical Women Freedom Socialist Party

The crisis we face is not the work of one administration or one political season. The heroic accomplishments of unionists, feminists, civil rights fighters and others have been under attack for decades. Our total social inheritance is being stolen before our very eyes: public ownership of services, unionization, voting rights, pensions, the social safety net, affirmative action, reproductive freedom, workplace safety and protection of the natural environment, civil liberties, and immigrant rights. Meanwhile, workers and small businesses are being taxed to death, in large part to send our sons and daughters to war, while corporations evade taxes and are plied with no-contract bids and subsidies.

By getalife

March 20, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Speaking of zombies, we shall start calling the blind wingnuts “zombies”

Brilliant!

By Wilma Lamb

March 20, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Instead of bashing “libs” you self-righteous Bush kissing neocons had better watch your hero to see he doesn’t start another war, this one with Iran. I don’t know what would happen if he bombed and Irainian nuclear facility and let loose unknown quantities of radiation and hope to hell I don’t find out. sickofsleaze

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Wrong again - I love the protestors! They are demonstrable proof of who the Left really is.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

A.N.S.W.E.R.- Act Now To Stop War And End Racism!

This is not our war! The Bush administration has sent hundreds of thousands of young people in the armed forces to Iraq to kill and be killed in a war for Empire!! Iraq has the second largest oil reserves on earth!!! It has been targeted for destruction by the imperialists because the Iraqi people dared to nationalize their oil and other natural resources!!!! Every rationale provided by the Bush administration for the war has been exposed as a lie!!!!! Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction!!!!!! Iraq had no connection to the events of September 11 (Yet)!!!!!!

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

getalife,

No fair taking down the zombie thread after I posted the link.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

White House Mafia

And, due to popular demand, I am now taking pre-sale orders for my much requested and anticipated design that says it all, the Bush Sucks t-shirt. So go ahead and buy one or two. I am selling these at just above cost to try to recover the money I put into this protest and that’s all. Now on to my anti-Bush t-shirt store!

By getalife

March 20, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

RW,

I was trying to stir up the blog and failed.

Y’all know me too well.

Hey, W is answering real questions.

By finch

March 20, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Somebody spiked the water in the neocon condo!!

Hilarious reading, Suck! Your references to the Moonie Times and the Weekly (no) Standard(s) show you’re still hooked on non-credible “news” cesspools. And your links to fringe leftwing sites scuttle your own arguments! They’re about as representative of rational liberals and Iraq war critics as are the rainbow (heh!) of christo-rightie sites I could link to…

And when Ayad Allawi, the first postwar PM of Iraq, hand picked by the US, says that Iraq is going to he-ll in a handbasket, people should listen. dontchat think?:

“One of Iraq’s most pro-western figures and an ex-prime minister yesterday became the first of its leaders to express what most of his compatriots fear: the country is in the grip of a “terrible” civil war.”

But keep up with relentless pursuit of rationalizations, Suck. Terminal denial somehow suits you. It provides me with hysterically funny reading. And I laugh even more thinking about the time you spend on your Quixotic quest for “truth”! Hee!

Buy Danish,

You have GOT to be kidding! Janya Davis??? She’s been so thoroughly discredited she makes Oliver Stone and the JFK “grassy knoll” dingbats look respectable. Then again, I shouldn’t be surprised. Your link to Sharon Stone is just as desperate and irrelevant.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Communist Party, U.S.A.

Karl Rove, top Bush advisor now facing possible indictment, arrogantly declared the Republicans will use fear of terrorism once again to win the elections in 2006. It will be about the Republicans’ “post-9/11 worldview” versus the Democrats’ “pre-9/11 worldview” he said at the Republican National Committee.

The question is, can the fear factor smokescreen associated with the war on terrorism create a thick enough cover to maintain the corrupt Republican majority in the U.S. House and Senate?…

More National Committee Meeting, March 4-5, 2006

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

International Action Center

IAC will join with other anti-war and progressive organizations, and the many thousands of individuals to once again hit the streets - in East L.A. on Friday (for info click here) and in Hollywood on Saturday - to demand an end to the war in Iraq and an end to the war against immigrants at home.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

International Communist League

Imperialist Occupation Fuels Communal Slaughter

U.S. Out of Iraq Now!

FEBRUARY 28—The daily slaughter that has come to define life under the blood-drenched U.S. occupation of Iraq is now threatening to spiral into an all-sided bloodbath. On February 22, the Al-Askariya Mosque in Samarra, which houses a thousand-year-old mausoleum for one of Shi’ite Islam’s most revered imams, was bombed, obliterating its beautiful golden dome and triggering a wave of attacks between Shi’ite and Sunni Muslims that have thus far claimed nearly 400 lives.

By dubya

March 20, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

I have jus spoken. Victory in Eye-rack is ours. Even tho the masterfully trained Iraqi troops did it all in r latest “Shock & Awe” demonstration. Fer them of you still impatient, we must destroy thee rest of thee country beefore we can reconstruct it. Why cain’t you unnerstand thet?? No doubt about it - we have suckcessfully brought Freedom n Democracy n Christianity to them strugling folk in Eye-rack. Listen to thee rerun of my speech tonite. Mission Accomplished. n this is my best speech ever. Lots of writers put it togather fer me. I’m so proud n know you fellow-Repubs will be too. Jus listen! God bless Mercuh. God bless me. God talks directly ta me, ya know! Now get on out thar an peddle some more hate an lies!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

International Action Center

*Information, Activism, and Resistance to U.S. Militarism, War, and Corporate Greed, Linking with Struggles Against Racism and Oppression within the United States. We urge the entire movement to demand an end to colonial occupations, not only in Iraq, but in Afghanistan, Palestine, and Haiti, and in every part of the world where people are resisting occupation, intervention, colonialism and neo colonialism. *

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

finch,

Jayna Davis was discredited by whom?

And I don’t get what was “desperate” about the Sharon Stone link. She’s supposed to be one of Hollywood’s most brilliant inhabitants.

By Andrew

March 20, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Be careful. The Iranians could kick the U.S.’s butt anytime.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

finch,

I asked you this once before, but never received a response: If Cindy Sheehan is “on the fringe” then why did she get non-stop coverage by the MSM?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Oh, cool, we are going to quote Ayad Allawi now, I’m game:

Allawi “Intelligence” Reports Saddam “Connected” to Al Qaeda

“Saddam had ordered Atta training,” according to Allawi, identified as “a member of Iraq’s seven-man presidential committee” in the December 15, 2003, The Indian Express.

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I think finch’s hysterical outburst (I understand that might be a slight exaggeration) about Jayna Davis means she is dangerously close to having popped the bubble the left lives in. The one that loves having McVeigh to throw out as typical of a whitechristianrightwingerthatwasinthemilitaryandbecameaterrorist, but would fight tooth and nail to cover up any other possibility.

On the other some of us like you, LS&L and myself would prefer the unvarnished truth.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Ayad Allawi is full of interesting information:

WMD Pipeline from Iraq to Syria? (by William Norman Grigg) February 13, 2006

Georges Hormuz Sada, a former high-ranking official in Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi air force, claims that “Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in [sic] which the passenger seats were removed.”

Sada has long served as a “personal adviser” to former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, who worked for many years as an assassin for the Ba’ath Party before having a falling-out with Saddam.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Exiled Allawi was Responsible for 45-Minute WMD Claim by Patrick Cockburn

Common Dreams, News for the Progressive Community

The choice of Iyad Allawi, closely linked to the CIA and formerly to MI6, as the Prime Minister of Iraq from 30 June will make it difficult for the US and Britain to persuade the rest of the world that he is capable of leading an independent government.

Iyad Allawi, a former member of Saddam Hussein ‘s Baath party who worked with the CIA to topple him, was chosen as prime minister of Iraq May 28, 2004. (Sergio Perez/Reuters)

He is the person through whom the controversial claim was channeled that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction could be operational in 45 minutes.

By tu es un imbécil

March 20, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Hey! Semper FFFPhony

“Milosevic not yet convicted - good… Saddam turned over for trial - bad…”

Milosevic is D-E-A-D! Remove head from @$* before copy and pasting!

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milosevic]

“No mass graves found in Serbia - good… No WMD found Iraq - bad…”

WTF are you talking about? Your pilfered comparison between the executions of Serbian/Bosnian/Yugoslavian peoples and WMD discoveries, well, lack thereof really, is incredibly debasing to the deaths of those men, women, and children. Dontcha think?

By finch

March 20, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Oooooo goodie! More links to fringe commie sites from that master of truth bending, Suck!

Hey! You wanted another US general who thinks Iraq’s been “masterfully” bolloxed?

Here’s Paul D. Eaton, a retired Army major general, who was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004.

That means he was on the ground. In Iraq.

“In sum, he (Defense Secretary Rumsfeld) has shown himself incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically, and is far more than anyone else responsible for what has happened to our important mission in Iraq. Mr. Rumsfeld must step down.”

Buy Danish,

Sharon Stone is an actress, for crying out loud. Her blabberings mean nothing.

Cindy Sheehan had her fame flash in the pan a year ago. The MSM has been ignoring her for months and months. With good reason. So what’s your point, anyways?

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Isn’t that cute…JJG (or someone that makes the identical mistakes) is back as a Frenchman. Maybe we were right.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

anyways? That extra “s” is as annoying as “irregardless”. I trust it was a typo. But I digress…

The Sharon Stone link was meant to be…….hold on now, ‘cause I know this is difficult for some liberals…A humorous illustration of how out of touch Hollywood liberals are with reality (and America).

Cindy Sheehan’s peak was last summer. How did she get to such an exalted place, even for a day? Try NBC News for one. You know, home of Katie Couric and the mainstream apple pie media.

My point, is that despite your claims to the contrary, the anti-war movement is dominated by people like Cindy Sheehan. These very same people are embraced by the MSM as mainstream representatives of dissent.

If you think that that is unfair, then you should be complaining to the likes of NBC, not to me.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Boy, finch is just full of left wing genuises today, I sure hope he doesn’t think I’ll ever let him out of quoting Allawi, but first here’s our new pinko “expert” who wants Rumsfeld to begone:

This interview was conducted May 30 at Fort Benning, Ga., when Major General Eaton Was Chief of Infantry. He is currently serving as Commanding General of the Coalition Military Assistance Training Team, Which is responsible for manning, equipping and training the new Iraqi army.

Q As the Chief of the Infantry, you and the Chief of Field Artillery have joined to send the message throughout the Army “Indirect fires first is the American way of War.” What does that mean?

A Another way to say it is, “Never send a Soldier, when a bullet (of some caliber) will do.” The intent is for the infantry to engage the enemy with somebody else’s ordnance—indirect fire or close air support (CAS) or some other means—and we need to apply those effects to avoid having to commit Soldiers in the close fight.

That’s great, we probably won’t get any collateral damage or any innocent civilians killed with this idea. Just back up to the border and blast away indiscriminately at the enemy.

Are the rest of you liberals on board with this idea?

By RE

March 20, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

“Try this out. You are an events promoter with a 20,000 seat venue. Would you be better off selling 10,000 seats for $100.00 each or 20,000 seats for $75.00?”

RW,

I guess I am just not as bright as you are, what does this have to do with paying what you are owed. We are not talking about a concert promotion, where we can choose to buy a seat or not, we are talking about taxes that are mandated. We are talking about money already spent. We are talking about an amount we owe. I am sure you have all kinds of justifications for not paying what you owe, I was raised a little different. I think there were much better ways to spend 500 billion dollars aside from this war which has done very little to provide any additional security, and most would say has left us less secure and much more vulnerable because our troops are now engaged in a war with no clear victory condition or way out. This ties them up and eliminates any future use as a deterrent they would have against more serious countries where a ground force would be needed.

Tell me again, why do you not need to pay what you owe?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

In another part of the motion, the Libby defense team refers to Valerie Wilson’s role in the matter as “minor” and “not important” and also refers to the “falsity” of some of Joseph Wilson’s statements. Specifically, the motion says, “Contrary to Mr. Wilson’s claims, he did not debunk as forgeries documents suggesting that Iraq was attempting to purchase uranium from Africa.” It was claims like that, which received extensive coverage in the press and cried out for rebuttal, the lawyers argue, that demanded Libby’s attention — not the place of Wilson’s wife’s employment.

“If the jury learns this background information,” the Libby motion continues, “and also understands Mr. Libby’s additional focus on urgent national security matters, the jury will more easily appreciate how Mr. Libby may have forgotten or misremembered the snippets of conversation the government alleges were so memorable.”

Just Scoot on away to freedom…..

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

RW,

I don’t know if it’s JJG. Too many paragraphs.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Specifically, the top of the State Department. The motion says, “The defense may call Mr. Powell to testify about a September 2003 meeting at the White House during which he is reported to have commented that everyone knows that Mr. Wilson’s wife works at the CIA. At the same meeting, Mr. Powell also reportedly mentioned a 2002 meeting during which Ms. Wilson suggested her husband for the CIA mission to Niger.” Later, the motion requests “Any notes from the September 2003 meeting in the Situation Room at which Colin Powell is reported to have said that (a) everyone knows that Mr. Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and that (b) it was Mr. Wilson’s wife who suggested that the CIA send her husband on a mission to Niger.”

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

RE,

Listen goofball, you asked how the government could raise money to pay it’s commitments. Your ONLY solution is to raise the taxes on a set number of payers. I said leave the taxes low and grow the number of payers. I thought you guys like having more available jobs.

As to your new question, it’s none of your business what I pay in taxes. Suffice it to say the last time I was audited they came away satisfied that I was in compliance.

If we could get more of you kooks on board with the Fairtax the government would be swimming in cash and you would have to hide under your bed to avoid having a job.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

finch,

I’m still waiting: Jayna Davis was discredited by whom?

I’m googling and answer.com-ing all over the place and I just can’t find the answer. All I find are more links that say that she has never been discredited. Can you help?

By Napo D

March 20, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

RW, my lips hurt real bad. Will you bring me my chapstick?

By RE

March 20, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

Oh, I see. Instead of dealing with the reality of how many tax payers we currently have, lets hope there are more taxpayers magically appearing. Interesting way to do business. Hey, I have an idea, lets eliminate all taxes on current tax payers and have our magical new tax payers pick up all the costs.

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

JJG used paragraphs in his suicide note. There is a very telling clue.

By RE

March 20, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, and isn’t the unemployment rate at around 5% right now? Where are all these new tax payers coming from?

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

RE,

There will be more taxpayers with a fair tax. All those people who don’t pay taxes because their income is earned in the “underground economy” will pay taxes everytime they buy something.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

RE: It’s called the Laffer Curve, you dingbat, look it up.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

RW,

Shoot, I don’t get it. And I have to work on my taxes so I can’t explore this little mystery until later.

That will give finch plenty of time to get back to me on Jayna Davis AND call NBC and the rest of the MSM to complain about their anti-Iraq war coverage.

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

RE,

People build and/or expand businesses so that they can make a …brace yourself…profit. They do this when economic conditions are right which is often when taxes are low. There are some exceptions such as the the IT boom during the 1990’s, but anybody with the least bit of common sense knew that was an industry that as it developed was going to become less people dependent. It’s pretty foolish to think someone is going to pay eighty bucks an hour for something a chip and a piece of software could do.

Raise the tax burden and you make it harder for businesses to survive so they down size or take their ball and go home. Guess why? Businesses are around to make money for their owners and/or shareholders. Jobs belong to employers not employees.

I know this is hard for a cradle to grave government dependence addict to grasp, but look at what is happening in France right now.

I’m out..I’ll respond to your next mindless rant later. It’s been fun as usual.

By getalife

March 20, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

KABUL, Afghanistan Mar 19, 2006 (AP)— An Afghan man is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death on a charge of converting from Islam to Christianity, a crime under this country’s Islamic laws, a judge said Sunday.

Did you know it is against the law over there for converting to Christianity?

By Napo D

March 20, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

RW, gosh! Don’t you know there’s a war going on? What kind of moron cuts taxes when there’s a war on? IDIOT! Didn’t you go to history class? When there’s a war on, everyone is supposed to sacrifice so the soldiers get what they need and we don’t go into debt. Are you stupid or what?

Give me some of your tots.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

getalife: It looks like they are starting to learn “tolerance” and “diversity” over there in Afghanistan, probably learned from us, they are most likely afraid of hurting Hollywood’s feelings when they push a concrete wall over on some homosexual.

But since Christianity is open for attack anywhere the liberals are at, it gives the Muslims somewhere to safely vent their hatreds.

See, you liberals and the Islamic killers really are alike. Regular old brethren.

By Napo D

March 20, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

“See, you liberals and the Islamic killers really are alike.”

Andy, that is pretty much the stupidest thing anyone has ever said on the whole entire planet since the beginning of the dinosaurs. IDIOT!

By RE

March 20, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Evolution…up for debate

Global warming…..not enough facts in to come to a conclusion

Laffer curve….Bedrock solid fact.

You guys are nuts

By RE

March 20, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Napo D, you have to understand, Andy thinks the dinosaurs have only been around for 8000 years or so, so it may not have the same effect

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Andy, that is pretty much the stupidest thing anyone has ever said on the whole entire planet since the beginning of the dinosaurs.

Funny, I thought it was telling someone your lips hurt.

RE: Reagan and Bush tax cuts both saw increased tax revenues which proves the Laffer curve.

I never questioned “evolution,” I just don’t give a rat’s as-s about it.

The Earth, and Mars for that matter where there are no humans, warm and cool pretty much at will. Why have all of you pinkos gotten quite about the hole in the ozone layer, now that it is dense as liberalism, years after it was supposed to be ate completely up. Junk science is for clowns, that could be why you brought it up.

By RE

March 20, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Laffer curve:

In 2005, the Congressional Budget Office released a paper called “Analyzing the Economic and Budgetary Effects of a 10 Percent Cut in Income Tax Rates” [2] that casts doubt on the idea that tax cuts ultimately improve the government’s fiscal situation. Unlike earlier research, the CBO paper examines the budgetary impact of any possible macroeconomic effects of tax policies, i.e., it attempts to account for how tax cuts affect the overall size of the economy, and therefore influence future government tax revenues; and ultimately, deficits or surpluses. The paper’s author forecasts the effects using various assumptions (e.g., people’s foresight, the mobility of capital and the ways in which the federal government might make up for the lost revenue). Even in the paper’s most generous scenario, only 28% of lost tax revenue is recouped over a 10-year period after a 10% tax-rate cut. The paper points out that these shortfalls in revenue would have to be made up by federal borrowing: the paper estimates that the federal government would pay an extra $200 billion in interest over the decade covered by his analysis. The 10% tax cut would result in a 1% increase in gross national product. The paper appears to focus on Federal government revenue only and does not look at the total public sector revenue (i.e., it does not include increases in local and state government revenue).

By Napo D

March 20, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

What kind of moron cuts taxes when we are trillions of dollars in debt? That’s pretty much the stupidest thing ever next to Andy’s last post. IDIOT!

Vote for Pedro!

By getalife

March 20, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Andy,

KABUL, Afghanistan Mar 19, 2006 (AP)— An Afghan man is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death on a charge of converting from Islam to Christianity, a crime under this country’s Islamic laws, a judge said Sunday.

I do not see a liberal in the article.

See, you liberals and the Islamic killers really are alike. Regular old brethren.

Very Christian like, hate breeds hate. Christians hate Muslims and vice versa. Just say it Andy, then pray on it.

It will be okay. Poor guy, he sure does have a lot of hate built up.

By RE

March 20, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

globalwarming

Must be all those crazy liberal NASA scientists. Why should we believe them when we have you Andy

By hewhoasks

March 20, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Laffer Curve:

CBO study or not the Laffer curve is the answer to a question for which the question is never revealed. I think the question was “OK, Keynes says cutting taxes for those who spend, caussing a temporary deficit, stimulates the economy, at the cost of an unbalanced budget. We don’t want to cut taxes for those who spend, we want to cut taxes for those who invest. How can we spin that?”

The answer was the Laffer curve.

No statistician and no mathematician would make the absurd aguments made in favor of the “Laffer curve analaysis.” They (the Laffer curve proponents) sketch a curve, with no data to support it, note that the curve that they sketch goes to zero on the right (by their assumptions), and claim that there is a region in which lowering taxes raises government revenue. Then they take that assertion and apply it to any tax reduction for the rich at all, no matter what the rate, and claim it increases revenue. It’s mathematical nonsense.

It’s made more nonsensical by the fact that the US doesn’t have a single tax rate, it has a tiered tax rate system: the Laffer curve doesn’t apply, can’t apply. If you did a so-called Laffer-curve analysis for the top rate then their figures would show, at worst, that tax revenues from the rich would drop to the amount collected at the next-higher rate. That’s not zero.

It’s spin.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

A B C , Its easy as 1 2 3 , as simple as do re mi, A B C, 1 2 3…

Hum that, read this:

How cutting taxes raises revenue

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

only 28% of lost tax revenue is recouped over a 10-year period after a 10% tax-rate cut.

Lost from who, the people that earned or the government????????????????

July 13, 2005 Sharp Rise in Tax Revenue to Pare U.S. Deficit

getalife: I didn’t say the Afghans were Christian, or whatever your weak rebuttal was, I said that you liberals and the Afghans were alike, being that you both hate Christians. I can’t read back all of the negative reviews from the pinko media about the “Passion of the Christ” there are simply too many of them. The ACLU sues Christians on sight. Hollywood makes movie after movie after movie that makes fun of or casts in a bad light religion.

Liberalism, Fanatical Islam, same difference.

NASA, global warming, Can’t get a shuttle into space and safely back to Earth, just the brilliant rocket scientists that I want to “put in charge of out climate,” whatever the hell that means anyway. Algore, global warming speech, same day that the record for cold weather is broken. Libs still have no clue.

This is like amateur hour today, where are the heavy pinkos at?

By DavidU

March 20, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Laffer Curve actually does work…just not when you want to counter a deficit.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

getalife,

What is happening in Afghanistan is nothing new. They don’t get many muslims (99% of the population) converting to Christianity because under Sharia Law the punishment for apostasy is death. Quite a disincentive wouldn’t you say?

By RE

March 20, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Just a question for andy and BD, what would be the optimal tax rate that the laffer curve suggests?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

DavidU rebuts the NY Times head on, excellent.

Giving credit where credit is due:

By finch March 20, 2006 01:06 PM

And when Ayad Allawi, the first postwar PM of Iraq, hand picked by the US, says that Iraq is going to he-ll in a handbasket, people should listen. dontchat think?

Thank you, finch, for turning me on to this highly credible source:

Allawi: Saddam connected to al-Qaida. New Iraq leader believes deposed president had relationships with terrorists

June 29, 2004: NBC’s Tom Brokaw has an exclusive interview with new Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, who still believes that Saddam Hussein was connected to al-Qaida.

Allawi: No. I believe very strongly that Saddam had relations with al-Qaida. And these relations started in Sudan. We know Saddam had relationships with a lot of terrorists and international terrorism.

Thank you, again, finch, this guys quotes will keep me busy for quite some time, dontcha think?

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

Gosh, Why does this June 2004 story sound so familiar? Didn’t I read something just today by Stephen Hayes that is eerily familiar?

But Allawi said it in June 2004, before the document dump. How can this be?

Could it be true? Shazaam!

And just to irritate finch I’m going to mention Jayna Davis, Nichols, The Philippines, Iraq, Bin Laden and Oklahoma City all in one sentence.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

Best job market in 5 years for grads: report Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:35 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. college graduates are facing the best job market since 2001, with business, computer, engineering, education and health care grads in highest demand, a report by an employment consulting firm showed on Monday.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Liberalism, Fanatical Islam, same difference.

LS&L,

Not exactly except that both are “intolerant” of Christians, both blame America for everything, and liberals both appease Islamofascists, and encourage their immigration to Western cultures while discouraging assimilation.

By Napo D

March 20, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Best job market in five years! Flippin’ SWEET! The last five years have had the worst job opportunities for young graduates since like, Andy wanked with the dinosaurs on the Ark! Like, me and Kip might finally be able to move out of Grandma’s house!

Do the Chickenhawks have large talons?

By The Pirate

March 20, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Ahh… the AJC Mutual Admiration Society of Political Science Experts continues…

Can any of you formulate your own opinions? Or does Fox/CNN/[insert favorite media outlet] do all your thinking for you? Welcome to Dumbed-down Amerika… sheez…

By MikeT

March 20, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

If any of you guys here are involved with Andy sexually, be careful. I met him on this blog and we became lovers. I now have an awful STD. Be careful with Andy folks. He is totally the opposite of everything he pretends to be on this blog. I am paying a horrible price for knowing Andy.

By RE

March 20, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

Fans of the Laffer curve, I am still waiting, what is the optimal tax rate? See, the laffer curve does not mean that cutting taxes increases revenue unless you have exceeded the optimal tax rate. When you are under the optimal tax rate, cutting taxed means you lower revenue. So if you are going to base economic policy on this curve, what is the optimal tax rate?

By DavidU

March 20, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

The Pirate- Please share your non [favorite news media outlet] based opinion, oh great one, seer of all things here and abroad. Please we must be enlightened.

By Andy

March 20, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

That’s funny, I never had an STD.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

RE: I’m still waiting to hear what you think the CIA is responsible for.

By RE

March 20, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Foriegn Intelligence?

Along with the NSA, that is the CIA’s primary role. I could send you a link to the CIA website if that would be helpful.

Remember, the justice department is part of the executive branch.

Iraq is in Asia.

Anything I can do to help you along Andy, it must have been those government schools that let you down.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Is Iraq engaged in a civil war? Vice President Cheney has taken some heat for saying “no” on yesterday’s “Face on the Nation,” but he’s right. Not to minimize the problems in Iraq, but we do not face the problem of contending centers warring for power - which is what I think most of us mean when we use the term “civil war.” Rather, we are facing an attack on a weak government by an insurgency that can command support from only a very small fraction of the Iraqi population. The insurgency is brutal and effective and difficult to suppress. But it is purely a destructive force, not a contender for power.- David Frum’s Diary

By Napo D

March 20, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

Look! Is this a picture of you reading the National Review?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

RE: So the CIA would be responsible for telling the Commander In Chief about any suspected Weapons Of Mass Destruction that a country like, let’s say, Iraq had in 2003? He would order an invasion based on their intelligence?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

Excellent:

There are around 110 million households in the United States. It is for their alleged benefit that the $2.4 trillion was spent. Each household may thus count as their even share of the cost of federal government approximately $21,800 per year. (I used “households” in this calculation, rather than people, because I am so generous as to believe that children should not be held responsible for a share of the cost of government.)

Those households that pay less than $21,800 in taxes are therefore leeches, who fail to pay their share of the cost of our beneficial, necessary, and not-in-any-way bloated federal government. Likewise, those households that pay more than $21,800 per year in taxes are suckers, who carry more than their even share of the costs and are thus being parasitized by the leeches. The effect of taxation is to divide all the citizenry into either leeches or suckers.

By DavidU

March 20, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Liberals S&L - Cute article.

By RE

March 20, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

So your plan is to increase the tax on those making less than 21800/yr. How does that compute with the laffer curve, and did you find that optimal tax rate yet or are you just spouting off?

By Breaking News

March 20, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

So…. why did the CIA and the President perpetuate THIS LIE when they knew it was a lie? Huh? Little neo-con war mongers? Wanna tell the truth for once? Nah… Didn’t think so.

By RE

March 20, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Ok, so what you are suggesting is that the CIA was feeding Bush bad intelligence because the CIA wanted to start a war in Iraq?

Who do you think decides which info is released from what the CIA gathers?

Did the CIA make the choice to invade?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 20, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

So Bush himself gathered the all the WMD evidence. I never would have thought that. He is a jam up guy, when does he have time for all these things?

By the way, Valerie Plame was a CIA weapons of mass destruction analyst before you silly libs go too far down the road.

By Freddie

March 20, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

We have WON the Iraq “war.” We have observed the actions of the mightiest army the world has ever seen! What part of “Mission Accomplished” is it that you people don’t understand? Now we need more “Iraq Victory Parades & Celebrations.” Just like before.

By Semper FI

March 20, 2006 07:37 PM | Link to this

Thansk Freddie for being a supporter. We did win the major battle a few years ago, as the banner stated. We’re just doing some mop up operations now. Will all be over soon. Keep up your support.

By DavidU

March 20, 2006 07:46 PM | Link to this

A LOT of mopping

By finch

March 20, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

Suck,

Thanks for the Allawi link! It doesn’t make his view of the worsening civil war in Iraq any less valid! And contrary to what you say, its neocons, not liberals, who have the most in common with Islamic killers. At least, neocons like you, who believe pre-emptive, indiscriminate mass murder is justified.

Buy Danish,

Obsession with Janya Davis and her attempts to tie Oklahoma City to Islamic terrorists is a serious disorder. It has been compared to the delusions suffered by extremists who are convinced the WTC towers collapsed on 9/11 in a controlled implosion ordered by either the Bush administration or fanatical Zionists. Professional help is strongly encouraged.

By finch

March 20, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Janya Davis discredited

Nobody believes this wanker.

By Freddie

March 20, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

SEMPER NOT: What a psychotic you are. Pitiful. Both were/are massive failures in every respect. Read it, punk - it’s history.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 10:09 PM | Link to this

Finch,

Try Jayna.

By finch

March 20, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Janya

Nada.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

finch,

Your 9:34 is so wacky-fringy, that I am wondering if you have finally been hijacked.

A dream come true?

By finch

March 20, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Okay, my dyslexia kicked in. Sorry about that.

But Jayna still kicks up nada. Her only claim to fame is that book, which prove nothing.

She is not credible. Seek professional help. This is far more serious than dyslexia.

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

finch,

Are empty Wiki searches now some proof of being discredited? I think I am misunderstood

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 10:28 PM | Link to this

finch,

Apparently you are having difficulty finding these famous links that discredit JAYNA Davis. I tried Google, Ask.com and dogpile. Nothing to discredit her.

Your snarky little comparison to 9/11 conspiracy moonbats, along with the implication that I am crazy is out of line.

Schippers, Specter, Burton, Lehman and others looked at her stuff and found it credible and worth delving into further.

You are basing your opinions on some source. Where is it??

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

finch,

Have you thought to consult something other than Wiki?

Here, I’ll help you

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

RW,

Since finch is in denial,here’s a good one for the truthseekers

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Wiki is a particular favorite for finch. I think it’s because if he doesn’t like what it says he can write it himself.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

Maybe we should just consult Wiki instead of bothering with the CIA.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this

finch,

Is this how you define “obsession”?: …………………………………. By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

LS&L,

Great link to Stephen Hayes! Jayna Davis, author of “The Third Terrorist” may also find it interesting

I look forward to finch’s deconstruction…

finch,

Are you awake yet?

By RW-(the original)

March 20, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

If Wiki can’t cover take care of someone’s argument they can always stack the commission that investigates.

You’ve got a point about Wiki over the CIA, any time the CIA is wrong about any intelligence you will always be able to count on the finch’s of the world to say they knew all along and link you to Wiki as proof.

By Buy Danish

March 20, 2006 11:10 PM | Link to this

RW,

funny how finch trusts wiki so much, but doesn’t trust documents direct from Baghdad.

By wikiki

March 22, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

wiki

By Blunderbuss

March 24, 2006 07:46 AM | Link to this

Great cartoon ML. I think it is a good idea to teach the bible in school since the preachers can’t seem to do it. We might even bring back recess.

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March 24, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

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