Mike Luckovich

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 13, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

Bill: Blame it on Bush. All these other crippled stupid POS liberals do.

By DavidU

March 13, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

Good one ML.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 13, 2006 08:33 PM | Link to this

By Liberals Suck And Lie March 13, 2006 08:03 PM

Midori: I thought you were going to ignore me?

*By Midori

March 13, 2006 08:06 PM

LSAL:

I’ll start ignoring you when I’m ready, and not before.

See what I mean? WTF is this all about?

By Midori

March 13, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

oh, goody!!!!

I’m just in time:

Midori: Don’t worry I plan on sticking with this new name, Liberals Suck And Lie. I’ve taken quite a fancy to it. Plus I don’t mind you using it for any of your fake post hijackings, it still gets my message out. It’s like a kidnap victim with a cellphone.

As I stated, I post using my real name. That is the only name I post under.

Look at it this way: who and what are you that I need to explain myself to you?

Having said that, I’m glad for you that you finally found one name to stick to.

After seeing you post so many deluded and crazy rants, I can see why you need to constantly point fingers and hurl baseless accusations.

I suppose you chose to make me the object of your allegations because I stand up for myself — something that you seem to have great difficulty accomplishing.

All you do is fling feces like a monkey in a cage.

To keep people from treading carefully and avoid stepping in your excrement, you have to yell: but wait!!! look over there!!! Midori is doing this!!! Midori is doing that!!!

I see you’re completely resigned in making these false allegations. It’s ok. Anything to help.

Cause you definitely need all the help one can muster.

And you need help mopping all of that sh*t off the floor.

That I can’t help you with.

I had a conversation with another poster on this blog, and we belong to another web community.

That person is 100 percent correct in his assertion that you just need to be ignored. No matter what anyone says to you, you just get shriller and goofier in your delusions and your own reality. Then you want to play General in getting your little gaggle of vermin together in attacking me based on your off the wall conspiracies.

So, accuse on. Create all the conspiracies you want. I’m not going to crawl down in your fetid sewer any more. Rock on, Baby.

Rock on.

By Midori

March 13, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

Oh, S-u-c-k,

Yes, I have the “inside” track.

I know deep inside you’re a true moron.

Midori: Don’t worry I plan on sticking with this new name, Liberals Suck And Lie. I’ve taken quite a fancy to it. Plus I don’t mind you using it for any of your fake post hijackings, it still gets my message out. It’s like a kidnap victim with a cellphone.

As I stated, I post using my real name. That is the only name I post under.

Look at it this way: who and what are you that I need to explain myself to you?

Having said that, I’m glad for you that you finally found one name to stick to.

After seeing you post so many deluded and crazy rants, I can see why you need to constantly point fingers and hurl baseless accusations.

I suppose you chose to make me the object of your allegations because I stand up for myself — something that you seem to have great difficulty accomplishing.

All you do is fling feces like a monkey in a cage.

To keep people from treading carefully and avoid stepping in your excrement, you have to yell: but wait!!! look over there!!! Midori is doing this!!! Midori is doing that!!!

I see you’re completely resigned in making these false allegations. It’s ok. Anything to help.

Cause you definitely need all the help one can muster.

And you need help mopping all of that sh*t off the floor.

That I can’t help you with.

I had a conversation with another poster on this blog, and we belong to another web community.

That person is 100 percent correct in his assertion that you just need to be ignored. No matter what anyone says to you, you just get shriller and goofier in your delusions and your own reality. Then you want to play General in getting your little gaggle of vermin together in attacking me based on your off the wall conspiracies.

So, accuse on. Create all the conspiracies you want. I’m not going to crawl down in your fetid sewer any more. Rock on, Baby.

Rock on.

By Midori

March 13, 2006 08:39 PM | Link to this

which is it, LSAL?

You want me to ignore you or pay attention to you?

why else would you post that insanity here on this cartoon?

I thought we were discussing this on the other cartoon?

You just cry out for attention.

Poor lonely moron.

Here you go. I aim to please:

Midori: Don’t worry I plan on sticking with this new name, Liberals Suck And Lie. I’ve taken quite a fancy to it. Plus I don’t mind you using it for any of your fake post hijackings, it still gets my message out. It’s like a kidnap victim with a cellphone.

As I stated, I post using my real name. That is the only name I post under.

Look at it this way: who and what are you that I need to explain myself to you?

Having said that, I’m glad for you that you finally found one name to stick to.

After seeing you post so many deluded and crazy rants, I can see why you need to constantly point fingers and hurl baseless accusations.

I suppose you chose to make me the object of your allegations because I stand up for myself — something that you seem to have great difficulty accomplishing.

All you do is fling feces like a monkey in a cage.

To keep people from treading carefully and avoid stepping in your excrement, you have to yell: but wait!!! look over there!!! Midori is doing this!!! Midori is doing that!!!

I see you’re completely resigned in making these false allegations. It’s ok. Anything to help.

Cause you definitely need all the help one can muster.

And you need help mopping all of that sh*t off the floor.

That I can’t help you with.

I had a conversation with another poster on this blog, and we belong to another web community.

That person is 100 percent correct in his assertion that you just need to be ignored. No matter what anyone says to you, you just get shriller and goofier in your delusions and your own reality. Then you want to play General in getting your little gaggle of vermin together in attacking me based on your off the wall conspiracies.

So, accuse on. Create all the conspiracies you want. I’m not going to crawl down in your fetid sewer any more. Rock on, Baby.

Rock on.

By Midori

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 13, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

Remember y’all, she was supposed to ignore me.

It’s impossible, I’m just so adorable.

By Midori

March 13, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this

K, suck, I’m done now.

Ciao.

Something for you to sleep on:

Midori: Don’t worry I plan on sticking with this new name, Liberals Suck And Lie. I’ve taken quite a fancy to it. Plus I don’t mind you using it for any of your fake post hijackings, it still gets my message out. It’s like a kidnap victim with a cellphone.

As I stated, I post using my real name. That is the only name I post under.

Look at it this way: who and what are you that I need to explain myself to you?

Having said that, I’m glad for you that you finally found one name to stick to.

After seeing you post so many deluded and crazy rants, I can see why you need to constantly point fingers and hurl baseless accusations.

I suppose you chose to make me the object of your allegations because I stand up for myself — something that you seem to have great difficulty accomplishing.

All you do is fling feces like a monkey in a cage.

To keep people from treading carefully and avoid stepping in your excrement, you have to yell: but wait!!! look over there!!! Midori is doing this!!! Midori is doing that!!!

I see you’re completely resigned in making these false allegations. It’s ok. Anything to help.

Cause you definitely need all the help one can muster.

And you need help mopping all of that sh*t off the floor.

That I can’t help you with.

I had a conversation with another poster on this blog, and we belong to another web community.

That person is 100 percent correct in his assertion that you just need to be ignored. No matter what anyone says to you, you just get shriller and goofier in your delusions and your own reality. Then you want to play General in getting your little gaggle of vermin together in attacking me based on your off the wall conspiracies.

So, accuse on. Create all the conspiracies you want. I’m not going to crawl down in your fetid sewer any more. Rock on, Baby.

Rock on.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 13, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

Remember y’all, she was supposed to ignore me.

It’s impossible, I’m just so adorable.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 13, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

And to think they were talking about driving me crazy.. ;-)

By Objective Observer

March 13, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Well since everybody else gets to drag over from the previous thread, it’s my turn.

By Objective Observer

March 13, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

N-GA:

Well now you have REALLY hurt my feelings!!!!!! You had better move over, cause here comes aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiii CAAAAANNNNOOOOOOOOONNBAAALLLLLLLLL!!!!!

SWOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Wrong image! But if Kathy is the one that does it for you, I’m happy to have given you that lasting impression.

By Midori

March 13, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this

which is the REAL Liberals Suck and Lie?

is this him

or this one?

I’ll bet the farm that this is him

By Midori

March 13, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Liberals Suck and Lie takes a swim in his brand new swimming pool, which he bought with money garnered from Bush’s tax cuts

By Midori

March 13, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

Liberals Suck and Lie takes his girlfriend home to meet the family

By Midori

March 13, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

Liberals Suck and Lie gets his temperature taken. Too bad he’s not for universal health care

By Midori

March 13, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

Liberals Suck and Die shows his his brand new underwear, which he bought with money left over from his brand new swimming pool

By Midori

March 13, 2006 09:29 PM | Link to this

Liberals Suck and Lie and RW call a meeting to discuss how next to blame their hijacking on Midori and how to word the next poll to poke fun at her

By SS&S

March 13, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this

Midori…woman….you can’t fall of the floor!! Come back down to earth!!!

By getalife

March 13, 2006 10:00 PM | Link to this

I can’t remember, did Campbell get locked up?

By Dusty

March 13, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

Ten o’clock and all is not well. TORNADO WARNING IN NORTH GEORGIA!!

Oh well, we have already had a big windbag blow through in self centered repeat proclamations. Nobody cares. Just boring.

This cartoon—that’s Campbell in jail? Surely you jest. He won’t go to jail. Maybe to that ultra prison south of Atlanta where they send celebraties for a brief recess. Luckovich seems to be getting a little “tired” of his presidential cartoon plunder. I certainly am.

By Laf

March 13, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this

please monitor the responses sent in before you post them.

By Souldrift

March 13, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

LSAL and Midori, you’re both embarrassing yourselves. This is pathetic.

By Souldrift

March 13, 2006 10:46 PM | Link to this

I must add my offense at “crippled stupid POS liberals.” I also have a problem with stupidity, and attempting to use “crippled” in an attempt to discredit is at best childish. I have immediate family with physical disabilities since birth, so if that word has a negative connotation to you, I now have a problem with you.

By JJG

March 13, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Well said, Souldrift. There are quite a few people, both libs and cons, who post here that are an embarrassment. The inmates are definitely running the asylum!

By Dusty

March 13, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

Laf,

If you want to make a complaint about this blog, you can. Go to the main AJC page and call up Member center at the very top. They may try to help. I believe their hours are Mon-Fri, 9-5 but you can leave a message. Just thought you might not have noticed that info.

By Objective Observer

March 13, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this

This cartoon looks out of place here. I’m not sure why, but I’m not finding it funny. I didn’t follow the Campbell trial so maybe I’m missing a point. Oh well!!!!!

By Objective Observer

March 13, 2006 11:19 PM | Link to this

This cartoon really is throwing me off.

R.W.: Glad to see you are deleting in storage. It gives me insight. Left some funnies in your in-box.

By clark

March 13, 2006 11:21 PM | Link to this

This blog is not monitored. If it becomes a monitored blog, it will be open from 9am to 5pm. Just like the majority of the blogs on the AJC. If you want it to be available 24hrs a day, then you just have to deal with the “spam”.

By RW-(the original)

March 13, 2006 11:24 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I left you an update over there. Do you think there is some history between ml and Campbell? This seems a little odd.

Dusty,

How serious do you think “laf” wants us to be on a cartoon blog?

By Dusty

March 13, 2006 11:32 PM | Link to this

OO,

don’t feel bad. This cartoon is not funny (but at least is not a charade of President Bush). Former mayor Campbell was being tried on several charges mostly for his numerous criminal indulgences. He has excused himself BLAMING RACISM, didn’t do it, misunderstanding, etc., etc., etc. Except for tax evasion, a lenient jury ruled in his favor. It seems ml thinks Campbell is going to jail with his same attitudes. I have my doubts. I don’t think the judge has handed down a sentence yet.

By Objective Observer

March 13, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

The Dylan you posted at your site couldn’t have been more appropriate for you. My neighbor taped “The Sopranos” for me. I can’t wait to watch it.

By Dusty

March 13, 2006 11:51 PM | Link to this

RW,

Maybe I am wrong but I think Laf wants a blog that shows some sensibility. Ask him.

Just like those who are free to be contemptible or otherwise, Laf is free to complain if he wants to do so.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 04:38 AM | Link to this

Bush: “We will not lose our nerve” in Iraq Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:56 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President George W Bush launched a new public relations drive on Monday to counter growing American opposition to the Iraq war, saying “We will not lose our nerve”.

You’re right, Bush doesn’t speak for you weenie stupid POS liberals.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 04:41 AM | Link to this

Bush ties Iran to roadside bombs in Iraq Mar 13 2:49 PM US/Eastern

US President George W. Bush directly linked Tehran to roadside bombings against US forces in Iraq, stepping up his criticisms of Iran amid a tense standoff over its nuclear program.

“Tehran has been responsible for at least some of the increasing lethality of anti-coalition attacks by providing Shia militia with the capability to build improvised explosive devices in Iraq,” Bush said in a speech.

US military intelligence sources said the weapons have been traced to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard or Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed militia in Lebanon.

Last week, US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld directly accused the Islamic government in Tehran for the first time of sending Iranian Revolutionary Guard into Iraq to make trouble.

This war is starting to look very un”civil.”

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 04:46 AM | Link to this

Feingold Draws Little Support for Censure Mar 13 7:14 PM US/Eastern

By LAURIE KELLMAN Associated Press Writer

Democrats distanced themselves Monday from Wisconsin Sen. Russell Feingold’s effort to censure President Bush over domestic spying, preventing a floor vote that could alienate swing voters.

Republicans dared Democrats to vote for the proposal.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 05:26 AM | Link to this

Badgering Bush

New York Sun Editorial March 14, 2006

Senator Frist, the Republican leader, was yesterday calling Senator Feingold’s bluff, pressing for a full Senate vote on a resolution introduced by the Badger State Democrat that would censure President Bush for warrantless wiretapping of conversations between foreign terrorists and Americans. That would put Democrats on record about how strongly they oppose the wiretaps, which polls show a majority of Americans support. It would make the Democrats look weak on national security just at a moment when the Democrats had succeeded in using the Dubai issue to, for once, appear more hawkish than Mr. Bush on the war on terrorism.

The Democrats were doing what they could last night to avoid such a vote, and they hardly seemed to be rallying around the Badger State Democrat’s proposal. Another censure resolution introduced in the House by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan focuses not on the wiretapping but on Abu Ghraib and intelligence on Iraq. Mr. Conyers has amassed only 15 other congressmen as co-sponsors of that resolution, including that notorious crackpot Cynthia McKinney of Georgia (Homegirl!) and, sadly, New York City’s own extremist and out-of-touch Jerrold Nadler, Major Owens, Charles Rangel, and Carolyn Maloney. That Mr. Nadler and Ms. Maloney, who represent Manhattan, which was attacked on September 11, 2001, would fall for this sort of stunt is particularly disappointing.

By Kevin

March 14, 2006 06:34 AM | Link to this

This was for of lovable bill campbell Man of wise looks….n now will lose his lawyer license in fla hooray for fla people n he no allow vote so…he next blame boortz for all this on him….Poor baby

By AntiRadical

March 14, 2006 06:53 AM | Link to this

Nice to see ML address “victim” mentality. Another Dem grab of a Rep issue, of course. With Dubai, they managed to wrest away Rep dominance of “security”; now they can work on the “accountability” angle. Since this administration has handed them these issues on a silver platter, Dems should be very thankful to GWB. He’s the only succinct argument for a Dem President/Congress that there could possibly be. Reps are smart enough to distance themselves from this boat anchor; sadly, they appear to be a day late and a dollar short in that regard!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 06:57 AM | Link to this

March 14, 2006 Myths of Iraq By Ralph Peters

During a recent visit to Baghdad, I saw an enormous failure. On the part of our media. The reality in the streets, day after day, bore little resemblance to the sensational claims of civil war and disaster in the headlines.

No one with first-hand experience of Iraq would claim the country’s in rosy condition, but the situation on the ground is considerably more promising than the American public has been led to believe. Lurid exaggerations and instant myths obscure real, if difficult, progress.

I left Baghdad more optimistic than I was before this visit. While cynicism, political bias and the pressure of a 24/7 news cycle accelerate a race to the bottom in reporting, there are good reasons to be soberly hopeful about Iraq’s future.

I wonder why the media would mislead us?

By candide

March 14, 2006 07:09 AM | Link to this

Censure or impeachment would be too good for Bush. He should be strung up.

By George

March 14, 2006 07:16 AM | Link to this

Cambell makes it sound like it is a minor thing. He ONLY got convicted of tax evasion. Gee at least he didn’t try to rip off a Target store then he would have been in trouble.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 07:21 AM | Link to this

Stanford University gives the Allan Cox medal each year for faculty excellence in guiding student research. Cox was a professor of geophysics and dean of the school of earth sciences at Stanford. He committed suicide in 1987 while under investigation for sexually molesting the son of a former student. The molesting allegedly went on for five years, starting when the boy was 14.

One of the most elegant prep schools, Phillips Exeter Academy, gives an annual Edmund E. Perry Award for “diversity and cultural awareness.” Perry was an outstanding black student at Phillips Exeter who was shot to death in Harlem while trying to mug a plainclothes cop.

Last year the Borough of Manhattan Community College in New York announced a new scholarship named for Ho Chi Minh and another honoring Joanne Chesimard, the former Black Panther and convicted murderer of a New Jersey police officer.

Isn’t the left just delightful?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 07:26 AM | Link to this

Despite this convincing evidence that the tax cut worked, and that the economy has consistent and robust forward momentum, there are still many who feel as if this economic recovery is fragile.

The laundry list of worries is long: High and rising energy prices, a large and growing trade deficit, budget deficits, rising interest rates, a slowdown in housing, consumer debt levels, layoffs, and pension problems make up part of the list.

But, none of these so-called problems has ever killed a recovery in the past, despite the fact that they have been feared for a very long time.

Our forecasting methodology concludes that there are really only four threats to the economy that investors should worry about: 1) Tax hikes. 2) Protectionism. 3) Government spending and regulation. 4) Bad monetary policy.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 07:47 AM | Link to this

Even CNN considers the See BS 34% poll to be a bald faced lie:

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Growing dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq has driven President Bush’s approval rating to a new low of 36 percent, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

Isn’t that like the pot calling the kettle black?

By Charles

March 14, 2006 07:52 AM | Link to this

Bill Campbell shouldn’t worry about losing his right to practice law. Since he’s such a great gambler (rolling my eyes) he’ll make more money in that endeavour - right, Bill? :)

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 07:56 AM | Link to this

Does Feingold think the terrorists have a constitutional right to kill us?:

I know of nothing that Russ Feingold has proposed to make this nation safer from terrorists. He was the lone vote against the original Patriot Act and opposed recently renewing the watered down version. He opposes the president’s exercise of his legitimate and traditional constitutional authority to intercept enemy communications during war. He opposes aggressive interrogation of al Qaeda terrorists detained at Guantanamo Bay. In fact, there’s no record of Feingold supporting any measure that would protect this country from another 9/11. We haven’t been hit since then, no thanks to Feingold.

Moreover, for all of Feingold’s self-serving pronouncements about civil liberties, he (and his friend John McCain) have done more to damage the Bill of Rights than anything war-on-terror related, i.e., he is the co-author of the most egregious assault on political speech — the McCain-Feingold Bill — since the early Sedition Act, which, among other things, cost President John Adams his reelection (and defeated the entire Federalist Congress).

By Kerry

March 14, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Okay a monitored blog would be better than seeing this garbage every other post from this LSAL. this guy is seriously on the lunatic fringe. Get help. You have a serious problem.

By Scooter

March 14, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

“Supporters say ethanol-blended fuel tends to be less expensive than regular unleaded gasoline, the auto industry has started marketing more cars and trucks capable of using E85, Congress has passed renewable fuel standards that increase the use of ethanol and grant money is available to help install E85 pumps.”

Iowa has 21 ethanol plants and six more are under construction or expanding, according to the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association. The state produces 1.1 billion gallons of ethanol, but that is expected to soon increase by nearly 600 million gallons.

By seeker

March 14, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

Howell, Michigan schools ban gay hiring bias

Massechusetts Governor Romney, in about face, says same-sex couples have ”a legitimate interest” in adopting children

The ho-mos are coming to get YOU, LSAL!! Run!! Hide!!

By SS&S

March 14, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Kerry - What exactly was your contribution in your 8:07a.m. post? Thought provoking???

By Napo D

March 14, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

Hey Andy, I mean, LSAL, my lips hurt real bad. Will you bring me my chapstick?

By Wilma Lamb

March 14, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Mike if everyone hates you so much, why does the % of likes keep going up? Or is it just the non-libs that b***?

By Eric

March 14, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

To “Liberals Suck and Lie”, you seem to be an expert on sucking and lying. You learn that from Rush and OReilly?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Wilma: I nave never voted either way for the cartoon poll and I suspect not many other of the regular Conservatives do either. We like to vote our opinions with our voices.

Eric: I learned it from you, actually.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

My aunt was telling me the other day, all the news will talk about is the president’s polls. They start with that, they linger over it, they savor it. The lower the numbers, the better, of course.

This fascination with the polls is interesting, especially in the second term. Bush is determined to do what’s right, not necessarily what’s popular. (I hate to sound like a kindergarten teacher, but you remember the title of that onetime bestseller: “All I Really Need to Know I Learned in …”) It used to be, people admired a leader who did what he thought was right, popularity be damned. In other words, indifference to popularity was, in a way … popular.

By Objective Observer

March 14, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Someone who posts here had some “interesting” predictions on the Dubais Ports deal. Based on what I’m hearing and reading, looks like he was dead on. Stay tuned!!!

Who was that guy anyway?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

FRIST DARES DEMS: MORE CENSURE TALK Tue Mar 14 2006 08:11:04 ET

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist plans to push Democrats for a vote of censure against President Bush! After facing down Senator Russ Feingold’s censure bill on Monday and seeing Democrats of all ranks fold, Frist thinks it’s time to call Democrats on their antics, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. “He pushed them to the mat today, and they blinked,” said one Frist associate. “He dared them to vote, and Democrat Leader Harry Reid looked like he was going to be sick as he said ‘No.”’ Frist is going to continue to dare Democrats to vote on censuring the President. “When it comes to intercepting phone calls from Tora Bora to Topeka, Frist thinks Senate Democrats have made a huge blunder, and he will lead the charge to make Democrats put up or shut up on censure,” the top insider claimed.

By getalife

March 14, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Someone who posts here had some “interesting” predictions on the Dubais Ports deal. Based on what I’m hearing and reading, looks like he was dead on. Stay tuned!!! Who was that guy anyway?

This Justin? Jesus? Napo D?

By RE

March 14, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

LS&L,

I do not know if you are every going to learn this, but in general the complaint with Bush is not that he is too conservative, it had always been he is incompetent. He shows it daily in one miscue after the next. His poll numbers being down are not fabrications, each poll has a degree of error, but it looks like he is now in the mid 30s. Stop this denial and accept it. Doing the right thing does not always make you popular, but consistently doing the wrong thing usually does make you unpopular.

Bush is becoming a greater liability daily. He does not have the support of the country or the congress, and that makes him weak. Look at Iran and North Korea ignore him. For the security of this country, he should step down.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

RE: After you try growing a set of balls yourself, you know, having some convictions and principles other than Bush sucks, get back with me and we’ll re open the discussion.

By RE

March 14, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

My Beliefs:

Constitution is the supreme law of the land, if you are in violation, or need to find loopholes, you are doing the wrong thing.

Fiscally responsible spending, hold congress accountable for the budget, using Veto power if needed.

War is always the result of failed diplomacy, the Army is used to destroy people and buildings, it is not a diplomatic tool or a police force.

Ok, what do you have as a belief, or is it just the standard RNC talking points?

By George

March 14, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Kerry

Andy is not on the lunatic fringe. He is a “normal” red blooded All American Bush enthusiast and typical of the Republican party these days. All the people that can think for themselves have left the Republican party and what is left are the Andy’s.

Scary, isn’t it.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

RE: Canvas your neighborhood with your ideas, choose candidates that meet your expectations and get them elected in November.

I’ve already made up my mind, you are not going to change many years of upbringing here.

By Kurt

March 14, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

This whole “discussion” is the most sophomoric string of ignorant claptrap I could imagine. I will not be back!

By gadem

March 14, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Andy, how dare you blame your failed life on your parents!

By getalife

March 14, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Now look at what we have done :

By Kurt March 14, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this This whole “discussion” is the most sophomoric string of ignorant claptrap I could imagine. I will not be back!

Sophmoric? More like Senior.

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

OO,

I would guess that those interesting predictions came from RW. Although he sometimes descends to the level of other conservative posters on the blog, by and large he is more open to the “big picture.” He was one of the few who didn’t join in the general hysteria when the news first broke that we were turning over port operations of 16 ports to Dubai.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Touche’!

By RE

March 14, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

War is always the result of failed diplomacy, the Army is used to destroy people and buildings, it is not a diplomatic tool or a police force.

Yeah sure, RE. Bush should resign and we should put someone who thinks like you in charge.

Pearl Harbor? Negotiate with Japan. 9/11? Negotiate with Islamofascist terrorists. Why not use that Yale Ambassador to the Taliban to negotiate - put that Ivy League education to work.

“Destroy people and buildings”? Don’t know if you remember (I WILL NEVER FORGET), but Bin Laden used civilian airplanes and destroyed civilian people in civilian buildings.

Meanwhile, I’m just wondering if it’s okay to destroy caves and the sub-humans inside them who are planning, planning, planning to destroy us.

If RE isn’t available, maybe Russ Feingold would be good. Calls from Tora Bora to Topeka could be made in complete privacy.

By getalife

March 14, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Yes, RW thought the Dubia port deal looked bad at the start.

Then, after reading all the right wing opinions and blogs, decided no biggie.

From the voting American public, who do not disect the issue and look at it as a common sense non security issue (a no brainer, if you will.)

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

The failed negotiations weren’t with the Taliban, they were with the rest of the world, who almost universally supported our war on terrorism after September 11. Our attack on Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th and everything to do with our stated geopolitical goals of “establishing a permanent military presence in the Persian Gulf.” The biggest con of the 21st century is that the war on Iraq was necessary because of September 11th. It had been planned before Bush was even elected and September 11th was the pretext for launching it.

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I can’t believe I am doing this, but RW made an effort to read materials from liberal sources as well. I supplied him with some of those. It took awhile for the Right Wing blogs to realize that Dubai was more about free trade and less about security.

By RW-(the original)

March 14, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I’m shocked, shocked that you would make such an accusation. My evidence. No wonder I’ve referred to you as a vicious liberal.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

WS,

Sure they did - until Saddam began to bribe the Security Council members: France, Germany, and Russia. A last minute change of heart after years of approving resolutions against Iraq. Imagine that!

Furthermore, RE won’t permit ANY use of the military without “diplomacy”. Like that’s really going to work well with the sociopath whose in charge of Iran.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

I am getting really offended by these people who are so easily offended

By RW-(the original)

March 14, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Here’s more. Notice that these were posted the Monday and Tuesday of the story breaking into general release.

BTW, Thanks for the great pimping opportunity!

WashingtonState,

This was hardly a right/left issue. There are numerous examples in some of the links I gave, but there is one right here. Finch and I came to the same conclusion pretty early on and I don’t think you will see that happen very often.

With that I am being dragged kicking and screaming out to stimulate the economy.

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Failed diplomacy covers both sides of the street. Not all failures can be attributed to our unwillingness to engage in diplomatic solutions. Sometimes the other side makes it impossible. There is a glimmer of hope in Iran. There are some people there intelligent enough not to blindly follow their president who are starting to make noises against his extremist policies. Whether they can make a difference is another question. As for Iraq, a lot of good people think we were precipitous in rushing in when we did. Start with Powell.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

[Anybody want to guess how many Palestinians will name their son, “Qunter”?(http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49246)

No differences between our cultures - Nope, we’re all equal. Don’t you dare “judge” them!

By getalife

March 14, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

RW, Ha, I knew that comment would wake you up.

I am shocked, **shocked that Washington State took up for you.

I guess some wingnuts and vivious liberals are not that bad. After all, we are all Americans.

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Great link to that South Park story. I guess anyone who believes that a creature from outer space planted a bunch of evil aliens near our volcanoes and then blew them up has to be a little overly sensitive. Especially when it costs big bucks to find out how to get the remnants of those evil aliens out of yourself.

By getalife

March 14, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

shocked

D’oh!

Don’t forget your new credit card

By Midori

March 14, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

LSAL plays Messiah to his followers

By Midori

March 14, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

LSAL, accompanied by two of his AJC blog mates, poses for his yearbook picture.“>http://www.allhatnocattle.net/skinheads%20for%20bush.jpg)

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I am not taking sides here, but there is no reason for you to add to the spam that LSAL posts here. Please don’t feed the monkeys.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Hey! 2:27, I like fornication! How else will we make new little Conservatives?

By Objective Observer

March 14, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

A worthwhile photo-op Mr. President. I cried, too!

By getalife

March 14, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

You know how some people have to sell everything they own when they go broke.

Wonder what they will try to sell next?

By RE

March 14, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

BD, I know thinking isn’t really your strong suit, but how do you think a radical was elected to lead Iran. Lets break it down for you:

Iran was lead by Khatami, a reformer elected in the 90s who pushed for a more open secular govt. In his time Iran became more open and initiated informal dialougue with the US, similar to the ping pong diplomacy with china in the 70s, this was focused on wrestling. Anyway Iran had a growing middle class and the clerics and imams were losing power.

2001, the WTC are hit, mixed reaction in Iran, some celebrate the attack, some come out to denounce the attack. GWB a few month later calls Iran part of the axis of evil, even though they have not attacked the US, have no nuclear weapons program, and pose no threat to the US at that time.

3 countries were named as the axis of evil, we invaded one of them. What happened in Iran; they became more nationalistic and fearful, so the next oppertunity to vote they elected a radical that we have to deal with today. These things do not happen in a vaccum. We have Adminijad (sp) to deal with now because of the fear and threats we inflicted upon Iran.

By Midori

March 14, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

LSAL and his crew take a well-deserved break after an all-night strategy session in which they tried to find solutions to LSAL’s problem with premature ejaculation

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

RE: Your a dingbat, a clown. Iran is like one of the major financiers of international terrorism, they have been for decades. Did you learn all of your knowledge from Sesame Street with Kofi Annan hosting?

Thursday January 17, 2002 U.S. Traces Iran’s Ties to Terror Through a Lebanese By JAMES RISEN

One of the world’s most wanted men has been operating for years with the protection and backing of the Iranian intelligence services.

The US Department of State’s report “Patterns of Global Terrorism: 1997,” released in April 1998, states that “notwithstanding some conciliatory statements in the months after President Khatami’s inauguration in August 1997, Iran remains the most active state sponsor of terrorism [from a list of seven governments accused of sponsoring international terrorism]. There is no evidence that Iranian policy has changed, and Iran continues both to provide significant support to terrorist organizations and to assassinate dissidents abroad.”

What a moron. I’ll bet you learned from Kofi that the Iranians bury women up to their necks and stone them out of “fear” of the United States.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Don’t feed the monkeys, Midori! Remember, you’re supposed to be ignoring me!

No flame outs!

By Midori

March 14, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

GOBBLE, GOBBLE

By Midori

March 14, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

LSAL, bottom right, poses with his kindergarten classmates for their official class photo

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

RE’s most favorite episode, he doesn’t know how to work his VCR, so if anyone has the tape

By RE

March 14, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

So is your solution to start a war with them?

By Midori

March 14, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Liberals Suck and Lie,

you sick of me paying attention to you yet? want me to stop? I’ve showered you with tons of attention and recognition. Just let me know.

In the meantime, I’ve found this touching photo of you and your mom. Awwwwwwwww. Wasn’t LSAL a cute little bugger?

By AntiRadical

March 14, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Dr Strangedeal Mar 9th 2006 From “The Economist” print edition

Congress should veto George Bush’s nuclear agreement with India

Good article and on the surface appears reasonable. Problem is that India really doesn’t need the U.S. to advance its’ nuclear program. They have developed thorium cycle breeder reactors and have vast natural thorium reserves. Since the end product of this cycle is a nearly pure fissionable isotope, this would be a disaster in terms of non-proliferation efforts. By giving the Indians an alternative, the President is simply selecting the best of many less than ideal options that are available to us. Where he screwed the goose is in not having brokered the same deal with Pakistan when he had the chance. As the article mentions, now China will in all probability broker that same deal instead.

By SS&S

March 14, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Midori - Are these cupid’s arrows you keep shooting at LS&L?

To gain more satisfaction you may have to give up your “Victim” role.

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Here’s an interesting follow up to the Dubai fiasco. Shall auld acquaintances be forgot?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

SS&S: I make Midori’s motor run. I float her boat, trip her trigger, I bring out the animal in her.

RE: No man, we should let them blow Israel off the map like they are telling us they’re going to do. After that, we should let them enslave America under Islamic law.

By RE

March 14, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Actually the Iranians stone women to death because they follow sharia law, which is based in a large part on leviticus. Maybe you should tell them which parts of the Quaran to ignore like you ignore the bible.

By Midori's son

March 14, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Mommy, please come play your game with me!

By RE

March 14, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

They have been saying that they want to blow isreal off the map since 1979. In the 90s the rhetoric died down and iran was becoming more peaceful, you know it is a democracy right? After the axis of evil speech, everything changed, it was most likely the most idiotic thing this president has done, and that is saying alot.

Question, how exactly are they going to enslave the US? How would they possibly do that. That is the problem, your justification for action is an impossible consequence. Besides, we are well on our way to a fundementalist state without any outside interference.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

Clueless: Who would you like to see run the ports, Greenpeace? Naral? NAMBLA? Planned Parenthood? We’ve already lynched the most qualified, least expensive company, will nothing satisfy you exalted, pompous little liberals? Shall we cease accepting cargo from the seas?

By finch

March 14, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

This late breaking story just in.

The real reason why the GOP is distressed with Bush

(the above link is not to a photo)

Hint: It’s not the reasons why Americans are distressed with Bush. No, distressed isn’t the right word. Disgusted. Yeah, that’s it.

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Suck,

I just said it was interesting. Besides, I think it was the Republican congress who shot down the Dubai deal. I know facts don’t usually have much impact on you, but at least get that one right.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

It figures finch would link to a stupid POS lying liberal:

They gathered on Oct. 19 for a ritual known to thousands of New York co-op owners, the annual meeting. The board president, Richard Cohen, and his wife, the newscaster Paula Zahn, threw open their second-floor apartment overlooking Central Park for the occasion. Quickly, the discussion focused on a huge and untidy red-tailed hawk, known famously as Pale Male, which had been nesting on the building’s facade for a decade.

The nest, board members said, had to go. There would be no vote among shareholders. Several people familiar with the discussions said it was Mr. Cohen who had headed the effort, even though his wife had once proclaimed her affection for the birds on television.

This a-sshole is a true liberal, stop us from drilling in ANWR because of Caribou but then disrupt the lives of an endangered species because it messes up their tidy little pinko existence.

You can go all in with this human filth, I’ll stick with Bush.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Clueless: Yes, the details-

Chuckie Schumer, Democrat, New York: Bipartisan Push To Pass Emergency Legislation Suspending Dubai Port Deal Continues

By WashingtonState

March 14, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Suck, I see you have mastered the Bush administration’s greatest accomplishment: avoiding taking the blame for anything. Since when has a democrat had any impact on anything this congress has done?

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

RE

Iran had a growing middle class and the clerics and imams were losing power

It’s a bit difficult to discuss why Iran is run by mad mullahs without mentioning the name: Jimmy Carter.

For you to claim that Bush pushed them over the edge to extremism is absurd.

About Khatami:

No Mephistophelian professor or conniving Dr Faustus today rooting for President Khatami will be able to deceive us into forgoing our common sense and losing time and energy on reforming and mending a ship that is sailing our country closer and closer to the edge of doom

And:

President Khatami stood by and watched as his interior minister Abdollah Nouri was thrown into jail. He stayed silent in the face of mass closures of reformist newspapers and imprisonment, torture and murder of many journalists, students and political activists. In fact Khatami’s 2 terms in office is a sad tale of missed opportunities and callous indifference to the appalling human rights violations by the regime. At every crunch point, Khatami chose to align himself with the hated supreme leader and his henchmen rather than his constituents, the Iranian people. It is unfortunate that some quarters in the Western press are still portraying Khatami as a democrat. Such portrayals are purely based on his words and not his deeds

And:

And here we learn how totally disillusioned the Iranians are “Lock, stock and barrel”

Not one of these people blame Bush; in fact when the subject is mentioned, they applaud our use of a “stick” over the E.U.’s decades long use of a “carrot”.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Clueless: My link says bipartisan, doesn’t it? In this case it means the democrats scored some RINOs to tag along but it is still the same.

If you think I’m going to suck up responsibility for all of the non problems that trouble you so deeply, you are in for some serious disappointment.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

finch,

Republicans were not distressed, either, by the intelligence failure that produced the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, more than seven months after our MBA president took over as CEO of the federal government

Pure, unadulterated Crap. No reason to go any further with Mr. Cohen’s analysis.

By finch

March 14, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Suck, I’m so glad you click on my links! Try this one…

WASHINGTON, March 14 (UPI) — A major new (Pentagon) report extracted in Foreign Affairs confirms that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction before the 2003 Iraq war began.

The report also documents Saddam’s remarkable incompetence and unreality as his almost quarter century-long tyranny collapsed around him.

The invasion of Iraq was prompted by either gross stupidity or treasonable dishonesty.

Take your pick.

By Napo D

March 14, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

Andy, I caught you a delicious bass.

By getalife

March 14, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

finch,

Good link:

Republicans are not distressed by the deaths of more than 2,300 Americans in Iraq, many of whom ( most of whom) lost their lives needlessly fighting a war that should have been over long ago. Republicans are not distressed by the wounded or the widowed or the orphaned or the merely haunted who will, on account of combat, never get another good night’s sleep.

Of course Republicans will never admit mistakes because they do not believe in accountability.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

finch: I’ll go with treasonable dishonesty. It was their job.

Besides which, 90% of the evidence, concerning the amount and possible whereabouts of said WMD, hasn’t been investigated yet. What’s your rush to judgement?

By finch

March 14, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

But wait! There’s more!

A founding father of the “neocon” movement, and of the ill-named “Project for the New American Century” disavows his former worldview!

“”America at the Crossroads” serves up a powerful indictment of the Bush administration’s war in Iraq and the role that neoconservative ideas — concerning preventive war, benevolent hegemony and unilateral action — played in shaping the decision to go to war, its implementation and its aftermath. These arguments are made all the more devastating by the fact that the author, Francis F-u-kuyama, was once a star neoconservative theorist himself…”

Another reformed and repentant rat deserts the sinking SS BushCheneyRoveRumsfeld…

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

LS&S,

Red-Tailed hawks are nasty creatures. They nearly killed my mother-in-laws’ cat, leaving him terribly bloodied for the crime of roaming about in his own yard.

What I find relevant is the interest paid by limosine liberals in saving the hawks, while completely dismissing the millions of oppressed people that Bush has freed in Iraq - preferring that they rot under Saddam.

One could say that their priorities are screwed.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

finch and getalife,

Republicans are not distressed by the deaths of more than 2,300 Americans in Iraq, many of whom ( most of whom) lost their lives needlessly fighting a war that should have been over long ago. Republicans are not distressed by the wounded or the widowed or the orphaned or the merely haunted who will, on account of combat, never get another good night’s sleep

More disgraceful and vile CRAP.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

From finch’s link:

The article confirms recent assessments that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction before he was toppled, but it says that he wanted others to suspect he might. “In the last months before the war he realized that it was too dangerous to continue playing this double game and finally decided to cooperate fully with international inspectors. But at that point his track record of repeatedly lying meant that no one believed him,” Foreign Affairs said.

This is called history revision, in case you were wondering.

By Like it Really Is

March 14, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Kurtlar vadisi: Irak /// Valley of the Wolves: Iraq (2006) Bittorrent Download

Directed by Serdar Akar

“Valley of the Wolves Iraq” opens with a true story: On July 4, 2003, in Sulaymaniyah, northern Iraq, troops from the U.S. Army’s 173rd Airborne Brigade raided and ransacked a Turkish special forces office, threw hoods over the heads of 11 Turkish special forces officers, and held them in custody for more than two days. The Americans said they had been looking for Iraqi insurgents and unwittingly rounded up the Turks because they were not in uniform. Still, the incident damaged Turkish-U.S. relations and hurt Turkish national pride. Turks traditionally idolize their soldiers; most enthusiastically send their sons off for mandatory military service. In the movie, one of the Turkish special forces officers commits suicide to save his honor. His farewell letter reaches Polat Alemdar, an elite Turkish intelligence officer who travels to northern Iraq with a small group of men to avenge the humiliation. There they find a rogue group of U.S. soldiers led by officer Sam William Marshall - played by Zane. In the bloodfest that ensues, the small band of Turks bonds with the people of Iraq and eventually ends American atrocities there, killing Zane and his men in the final scene.

They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv. The movie, which reportedly cost some $10 million, is the latest in a new genre of popular culture that demonizes the United States. It comes on the heels of a novel called “Metal Storm” about a war between Turkey and the U.S., which has been a best seller for months. One recent opinion poll revealed the depth of the hostility in Turkey toward Americans: 53 percent of Turks who responded to the 2005 Pew Global Attitudes survey associated Americans with the word “rude”; 70 percent with “violent”; 68 percent with “greedy”; and 57 percent with “immoral.” Advance tickets are already selling out across Turkey for the film, which has dialogue in Turkish, Arabic, Kurdish and English. In addition to Turkey, the film is set to be shown in more than a dozen other countries - including the United States, Britain, Germany, The Netherlands, Britain, Denmark, Russia, Egypt, Syria and Australia. The movie’s American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed “peacekeeper sent by God,” and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American doctor. U.S. soldiers have become hate figures in Muslim countries around the world after the unpopular war in Iraq. But here in Turkey, a personal grudge fuels the resentment.

Turkey is our staunch ally. You can imagine how much the Iraqis really love us when our backs are turned. The entire radical Islamic world is not worth one more drop of American blood. Pull out now and let ‘em slaughter each other, good riddance!

By getalife

March 14, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

You know you will be looked at when the government gets Google search records.

They will wonder why you are so interested in government Google searches.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

finch,

Don’t count your chickens yet. You could be as wrong on this as you are about whether it is a lie to state that women in certain bainlieues of Paris fear being raped if caught without a headscarf, or just for the fun of it.

By getalife

March 14, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

That is how I feel about most of the wingnut opinion articles posted here.

By Scooter

March 14, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Oh how some want to put off the inevitable by allowing the corrupted Oil for Food Program to continue.

“Saddam’s primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted, while maintaining the security of the Regime. He sought to balance the need to cooperate with UN inspections—to gain support for lifting sanctions—with his intention to preserve Iraq’s intellectual capital for WMD with a minimum of foreign intrusiveness and loss of face. Indeed, this remained the goal to the end of the Regime, as the starting of any WMD program, conspicuous or otherwise, risked undoing the progress achieved in eroding sanctions and jeopardizing a political end to the embargo and international monitoring.”

“The introduction of the Oil-For-Food program (OFF) in late 1996 was a key turning point for the Regime. OFF rescued Baghdad’s economy from a terminal decline created by sanctions. The Regime quickly came to see that OFF could be corrupted to acquire foreign exchange both to further undermine sanctions and to provide the means to enhance dual-use infrastructure and potential WMD-related development.”

Fortunately for America, we no longer have to worry about Saddam and his intentions. Also, we have troops next door to Iran.

By RW-(the original)

March 14, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

finch,

Your no WMD link is interesting too.

“Saddam believed that the United States was a paper tiger and that France and Russia would protect him,” Foreign Affairs wrote.

That was the problem with the final UN resolution the “illegal war” crowd points to.

“Ignorant of military history, logistics, and technology, Saddam lived in a bubble due to the atmosphere of fear he had had instilled throughout his civil and military bureaucracies,” the magazine said. Therefore, “once the war actually began, its ultimate result was a foregone conclusion.”

I thought he was an all around nice guy if we would have just left him alone.

The article confirms recent assessments that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction before he was toppled, but it says that he wanted others to suspect he might. “In the last months before the war he realized that it was too dangerous to continue playing this double game and finally decided to cooperate fully with international inspectors. But at that point his track record of repeatedly lying meant that no one believed him,” Foreign Affairs said.

Except Bush was supposed to be the one man on the planet that knew the new and improved Saddam was the one running things. This country cannot be governed with 20/20 hindsight. Give me Bush’s policy anytime over any wishy-washy leftist drivel.

By RE

March 14, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Ok, I am just trying to get my head around this one suck…you state that the reason for getting into iraq was the treasonous dishonesty of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson?

You just are not making any sense

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

finch,

It is the shameless, phony anti-war protestors who don’t give a damn about our soldiers, who never shed a tear for a one of them, who exploit their deaths for p.r. purposes.

It is they who are never accountable for anything. The appeasers of Islamofascists, and totalitarian rule, they are filled with grand delusions and so-called “good intentions”. They and their role-models have the deaths of millions under the Stalins, Pol Pots, Mao’s, Mugabwe’s and others to be held accountable for.

They yearn for the defeat of George Bush, Capitalism, Christianity, and Western Civilization. Meanwhile, the mullahs are standing by, just waiting for our defeat.

Utopia at last!

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Well unfortunately finch is incapable of facing up to certain FACTS.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

Also, we have troops next door to Iran.

Scooter,

Exactamundo!

By SS&S

March 14, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

We’ll soon find out what the U.N. is really made up of…..fluff or fury!! It’s going to be interesting to watch them hold Iran accountable. Go John Bolton!!!

By getalife

March 14, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Pat is at it again. Calling Islam satanic and not a religion of peace.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Danish: That must have been a Conservative Red Tail that got your MIL’s cat, it sounds like it was protecting it’s young, which is something liberals usually let slide.

Trust me on this one, as nasty as you think a hawk is, a caribou makes them look like Alistair Cooke. Plus they would have trampled the cat probably at first sight.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

RW,

Maybe Bush should have used this

By RW-(the original)

March 14, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

He couldn’t please the left with any any option, so this one suits me.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

RE: Can’t you ask Kofi about Joe Wilson? You’re going to go with some crackpot theory anyway.

Seriously, Valerie Wilson was a, check this out clown, weapons of mass destruction analyst. How’s that for your average “it’s a small world” moment? And she even sent her dear hubby, a man who “voted” for Bush, off to discredit WMD claims by sipping mint tea with the locals, who probably humored him I can imagine.

You can’t see the irony in all of this? You still think I should apologize, admit my mistakes, when it was you pinkos that failed, failed once again to properly do your jobs?

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

On July 4, 2003, in Sulaymaniyah, northern Iraq, troops from the U.S. Army’s 173rd Airborne Brigade raided and ransacked a Turkish special forces office, threw hoods over the heads of 11 Turkish special forces officers, and held them in custody for more than two days. The Americans said they had been looking for Iraqi insurgents and unwittingly rounded up the Turks because they were not in uniform. Still, the incident damaged Turkish-U.S. relations and hurt Turkish national pride.

Further evidence that these people get their feelings hurt very easily and are more worried about “pride” than life itself.

As for all this stuff about Jewish doctors cutting out organs to sell to rich New Yorkers, I need more evidence than the usual “Jews are pigs and monkeys” stuff that is taken as fact in certain parts of the world.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

No, it was a Left-Wing Hawk. It attacked the cat for going after voles and mice, when it should have been eating bean sprouts.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Sorry - this comment:

By Buy Danish - March 14, 2006 05:48 PM

Should have been directed to this commentator:

By Like it Really Is/March 14, 2006 05:15 PM

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Actually, I think our little spat with Turkey is:

Two Allies, Two Angles New Film in Turkey, America’s ‘24’ Reflect Uneasy Relations, Divergent Perspectives

By Karl Vick Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, February 14, 2006; Page A12

ISTANBUL — In “Valley of the Wolves: Iraq,” U.S. soldiers shoot small children at point-blank range, harvest kidneys from Iraqi prisoners for shipment to Tel Aviv, blow a Muslim cleric out of his minaret and, to top it all off, display utter contempt for Turkish foreign policy. The feature film set a box office record in its first weekend, after opening in more theaters than any movie in Turkish history.

Meanwhile, the American television series “24” did not open at all in Turkey last fall, despite high ratings over the three previous seasons for agent Jack Bauer and the swashbuckling Counter-Terrorist Unit. The problem: In season four, the terrorists intent on destroying America were Turks.

By finch

March 14, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

You are warping my views to fit some simplistic vacuous stereotype. To suggest that people like me are sympathetic to Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Mao, etc. is absolute slander. As is your implication that we cheer everytime an American dies. We care a lot more about keeping Americans alive than you do.

Most of the world doubted Iraq’s WMDs, and in any case, didn’t think it was worth the money and blood of an invasion before the facts were known.

Bush, goaded by neocons who wanted Iraq overrun even before 9/11, abandoned prudence, eschewed facts, ignored intelligence contrary to the neocon agenda, and launched a huge military offensive.

Americans were promised a quick and cheap victory for a worthy cause.

Wrong on all, and I mean all counts.

Incredible arrogance, unfathomable stupidity, and treasonable deception.

I want them to pay.

Hope you read the link on Francis (father of the neocons) Fu-k-uyama’s book. At least he has integrity.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

finch,

I didn’t realize that you were actually one of the active anti-war protestors.

I certainly hope that you have fully researched the groups like A.N.S.W.E.R. and Americans United for Peace and Justice, and the rest of the Marxist organizations that are behind them.

So it is not slander finch. And it is a perfectly fitting response to your slanderous post about Republicans not caring that soldiers die in Iraq.

You may just be a useful idiot, straggling along, and not fully aware of the true intentions of these people who pretend to care so much.

I do not doubt YOUR sincerity, but for the most part the motives of the protestors are less than pure.

Just ask David Horowitz.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

finch,

Most of the world doubted Iraq’s WMDs

Oh really? Then what were all those UN resolutions for? Just to give Kofi Annan a job?

I guess “the rest of the world” are brilliant psychics, while the Clinton and Bush were nothing but gullible fools.

By RE

March 14, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Suck, I have no clue what you are talking about anymore.

First you claim Valerie Wilson is responible in some way for the faulty intelligence that led us into war in Iraq, calling it dishonestly treasonous.

You also claim the information was correct, and iraq did have weapons of mass destruction. We just have not found them yet.

And then you claim the documents supporting the programs are being withheld by the whitehouse.

Does any of this make sense to you?

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

THIS IS WHAT PASSES FOR A “TRUE STORY” according to Like it Really Is/March 14, 2006 05:15 PM:

*But the film also reflects deep skepticism about U.S. intentions, which opinion polls show is common among Muslim countries. In one scene, a man wearing the black coat, fedora and earlocks of a Hasidic Jew gets up and walks out of a restaurant moments before Polat reveals that the place is wired to explode. The moment slyly evokes not one but two conspiracy theories often heard in Muslim societies: that no Jews died in the World Trade Center because they had warning, and that Israeli agents are hard at work in northern Iraq, helping the Kurds.

A woman in Istanbul passes a sign advertising the new Turkish film “Valley of the Wolves: Iraq,” **a fictional story based on the Iraq war that shows Americans committing atrocities. (By Murad Sezer — Associated Press)

*The villain is an U.S. Special Forces commander (Billy Zane) who keeps a mural of the Last Supper on his office wall and declares, “I am the son of God.” His snarling, homicidal A-team, wearing gold chains and mohawks, are only the most aggressive Americans in a movie that relentlessly reinforces the image of the United States as a country in love with killing.

“Unfortunately, that is the perception, rightly or wrongly, and this perception is fueled by the European perception as well, which is not too much different”*

Just like certain bloggers at the AJC perhaps?

Great link LS&L!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

I doubt finch’s sincerity, especially when he says things such as this:

Americans were promised a quick and cheap victory for a worthy cause.

Here’s your President and what he “promised” a week before the invasion:

One of the things we love in America is freedom. If I may, I’d like to remind you what I said at the State of the Union: liberty is not America’s gift to the world, it is God’s gift to each and every person. And that’s what I believe. I believe that when we see totalitarianism, that we must deal with it. We don’t have to do it always militarily. But this is a unique circumstance, because of 12 years of denial and defiance, because of terrorist connections, because of past history.

I’m convinced that a liberated Iraq will be — will be important for that troubled part of the world. The Iraqi people are plenty capable of governing themselves. Iraq is a sophisticated society. Iraq’s got money. Iraq will provide a place where people can see that the Shia and the Sunni and the Kurds can get along in a federation. Iraq will serve as a catalyst for change, positive change.

So there’s a lot more at stake than just American security, and the security of people close by Saddam Hussein. Freedom is at stake, as well, and I take that very seriously.

I appreciate that question a lot. First, for those who urge more diplomacy, I would simply say that diplomacy hasn’t worked. We’ve tried diplomacy for 12 years. Saddam Hussein hasn’t disarmed, he’s armed.

And we live in a dangerous world. We live in new circumstances in our country. And I hope people remember the — I know they remember the tragedy of September the 11th, but I hope they understand the lesson of September the 11th. The lesson is, is that we’re vulnerable to attack, wherever it may occur, and we must take threats which gather overseas very seriously. We don’t have to deal with them all militarily. But we must deal with them. And in the case of Iraq, it is now time for him to disarm. For the sake of peace, if we have to use our troops, we will.

Just because finch is too stupid to understand what he is being told doesn’t mean we have to be.

By RE

March 14, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Guilt by association. That is what the dunce is trying to pull on you finch. It goes along with the “you’re either with us or against us” mentality.

For comparison, imagine being lumped in with the Westboro Baptist Church, those are the guys who protest at soldiers funerals. I think we can all come together here and say they are the worst group of people on the planet right now. However they are a christian group, if you are a christian then you are tacitly supporting those same views and actions. By Dunce’s definition, all christians are the same as the freaks at westboro.

I understand why she and suck act this way though, they have no basis in reality for their support or beliefs, so they have to concoct rhetoric and allegations to defend themselves. It must be a horrible thing when the man you supported so passionatly is shown to be the incompetant man you were told he was. They set up their own reality in order to avoid admitting failure.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

I really didn’t think this would be that hard to understand but we are talking about RE:

a- CIA tells Bush that there are WMD in Iraq.

b- Bush invades, no WMD found.

c- CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, has no idea where the WMD is at!! So instead of analyzing the documents captured from Saddam during the invasion, they attack Scooter Libby.

The Conservatives at Weekly Standard, sensing that the CIA is anti Bush, calls for the documents to be released, so that they can analyze them, seeing how the CIA is paralyzed with fear of Dick Cheney.

No, this is not Bush’s fault. He tried to correct the CIA once, it got his administration it’s own special prosecutor. He probably figures now that if the people and the media of the United States don’t mind a traitorous intelligence agency, why should he care about it?

By Scooter

March 14, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

You are either “with us our against us” is right when it comes to the Iraq.

So, the strategic thing to do after people from all over the Middle East attack us on our homeland is to leave Saddam under the supervision of the UN?

Contain terrorism by embracing the sympathy of 9/11, is what many liberals will tell me. But, then we would be trusting dozens of foreign government’s intelligence.

Call me crazy, but after 9/11 I think it was wise to figure islamic terrorist to be extremely proud people. So proud that they would see any “Saddam” of the world running willy-nilly over the UN as a weakness. Maybe they would even call us a paper tiger cause “we the people” are pansies who would rather put things off till the fight would be much more deadly.

I would further say we should change the next generations’ mindset of Middle Easterners by liberating them from a viscous dictator, who managed the peace by executing and torturing all dissidents. But hey, we can get a poll of some Sunni who say they were better of under Saddam, not saying anyone said anything about polls.

Many liberals in here who say we were lied to either forgot the threat Saddam posed in 1998, before the inspectors got the “boot”. But they will take you on a nuanced week long ride that brings them right back to arguing the UN should still be in charge of managing Saddam’s dictatorship.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

RE,

Allow me to re-post what I said. Pay careful attention to the word PHONY:

*It is the shameless, phony anti-war protestors who don’t give a damn about our soldiers, who never shed a tear for a one of them, who exploit their deaths for p.r. purposes.

It is they who are never accountable for anything. The appeasers of Islamofascists, and totalitarian rule, they are filled with grand delusions and so-called “good intentions”. They and their role-models have the deaths of millions under the Stalins, Pol Pots, Mao’s, Mugabwe’s and others to be held accountable for.

They yearn for the defeat of George Bush, Capitalism, Christianity, and Western Civilization. Meanwhile, the mullahs are standing by, just waiting for our defeat.

Utopia at last! *

Which was in response to this gem from finch:

Republicans are not distressed by the deaths of more than 2,300 Americans in Iraq, many of whom ( most of whom) lost their lives needlessly fighting a war that should have been over long ago. Republicans are not distressed by the wounded or the widowed or the orphaned or the merely haunted who will, on account of combat, never get another good night’s sleep.

So RE, my response was not directed at finch, but at PHONY anti-war protestors. Little did I know that finch considers to be himself one of them.

And while there is documentary evidence to support my link of PHONY anti-war protestors to Marxism and its sorry past, what finch posted was Opinion, and nothing but opinion.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

Here’s a poll question:

Which cause is more noble:

Think it over very carefully before giving your answer. I know that there are serious moral issues here.

By SS&S

March 14, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

U.N. Fluff = Fiddly fart around while their threats become a reality.

U.N. Furry = Act before their threats become a reality.

It is not a beautiful world we’re living in.

By RE

March 14, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this

Suck, you are really out of touch with reality. You are saying the CIA decided to not look at the documents collected in the invasion, instead to go off on an attack on the whitehouse. By the way, Libby is accused of purjury, not leaking the name of a covert agent. Fitz was pretty smart on those charges, there would be no need at all for classified documents to be exposed by keeping the charges limited to purjury, but the defense still managed to try to subpoena classified documents anyway, how they could disprove he lied, I have no clue. And how did he try to “correct” the CIA by releasing a covert ops name.

Lithium and thorazine, those are your best options you poor, poor, delusional man

By SS&S

March 14, 2006 07:20 PM | Link to this

Make that:

U.N. Fury = Act before their threats become a reality!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

Speaking of which:

President George W. Bush has made clear in recent weeks his displeasure with the delays in getting the information out to the American public. On February 16, one day after ABC News broadcast excerpts of recordings featuring Saddam Hussein and his war cabinet, Bush met with congressional Republicans and several senior national security officials and said three times that the documents should be released. “This stuff ought to be out,” he told National Security Adviser, Stephen Hadley. “Put this stuff out.” It seems Bush will soon get his wish.

So now Bush will get a pinko investigation for speaking rudely to CIA. Or maybe for letting the WMD truth get out.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

RE: Up inside your mind, what do you consider the job of the CIA to be?

By RW-(the original)

March 14, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

SS&S,

You may as well stay with furry. As in, if you really think the UN is ever going to act when it’s necessary you need to cuddle up to a furry critter until the thought passes.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 14, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

Bush Sets Target for Transition In Iraq Country’s Troops to Take Lead This Year

Not bad for a country in the midst of an “unwinnable” “civil war.”

By Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 14, 2006; Page A01

President Bush vowed for the first time yesterday to turn over most of Iraq to newly trained Iraqi troops by the end of this year, setting a specific benchmark as he kicked off a fresh drive to reassure Americans alarmed by the recent burst of sectarian violence.

Bush, who until now has resisted concrete timelines as the Iraq war dragged on longer than he expected, outlined the target in the first of a series of speeches intended to lay out his strategy for victory. While acknowledging grim developments on the ground, Bush declared “real progress” in standing up Iraqi forces capable of defending their nation.

“As more capable Iraqi police and soldiers come on line, they will assume responsibility for more territory with the goal of having the Iraqis control more territory than the coalition by the end of 2006,” he said in a speech to the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. “And as Iraqis take over more territory, this frees American and coalition forces to concentrate on training and on hunting down high-value targets like the terrorist [Abu Musab al-] Zarqawi and his associates.”

The president made no commitments about withdrawing U.S. troops, but he repeated his general formula that Americans could come home as Iraqis eventually take over the fight. He also used the speech to urge Iraqis to form a unity government three months after parliamentary elections, and he accused Iran of providing explosives to Shiite militias attacking U.S. forces in Iraq.

By SS&S

March 14, 2006 07:40 PM | Link to this

LS&L - The liberals are more concerned with how Bush phrased that. “This stuff ought to be out.” “Put this stuff out.”

It doesn’t matter so much what he says, but how he says it.

By SS&S

March 14, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

R.W. - I’ve seen others on the blog make those same mistakes, but then I’m not that judgmental.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

RE Admits: I have no clue

Finally! What took you so long?

By Objective Observer

March 14, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

Upon Washington State’s return and to enhance on his 3:48 conspiracy theory he posted.

There are alot of suspicious characters in The Carlyle Group.

Politicians affiliated with The Carlyle Group:

Alice Albright, daughter of ex-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright

William Kennard, Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle’s Managing Director in the Telecommunications & Media Group

Arthur Levitt, Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle Senior Advisor

Mack McLarty, White House Chief of Staff under President Bill Clinton

Colin Powell, former United States Secretary of State

Business Persons Affiliated with “The Carlyle Group”:

George Soros, international investor and liberal political activist

It just didn’t want anybody to feel left out or misled.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

Thanks for the link to Stephen “The Connection” Hayes.

We now have a great acronym for some of those on “the other side”:

NIV - No Intelligence Value

As in, “The NIVs are at it again”.

Even I was tiring of the STFU acronym…

By finch

March 14, 2006 08:09 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

A classic conservative would have answered your hawk/Saddam choice thusly. None of the above.

The hawks will survive. They’re not an endangered species, despite which Suck claims.

Iraq? Saddam wasn’t a threat to the US, so why bother? He was a far more serious threat to Saudi Arabia, but the noble leaders there refused to let US warplanes use it as a base for attacks. Turkey, another Iraqi neighbor, was equally uncooperative. If these nations weren’t threatened by Saddam, why was the US?

Maybe because they realized that Saddam was already drowning in his own stink. It was just a matter of time.

So don’t attack Saddam! No nation building! No benevolent hegemony! Sooner or later, Saddam would get his, just as all despots do.

If Saddam’s torture did justify an invasion (absolute anathema to a true conservative) then the US should attack North Korea, among other nations, where human rights are also non-existent. In case you haven’t guessed, I’m against this idea.

Of course, you can’t change the past. The Colin Powell “Pottery Barn” rule lives. You break it? It’s yours. The US can’t leave now. It must do whatever it can to bring peace and a civilized government to Iraq.

If the US had waited until Iraq inevitably imploded, it could have led a true international coalition to restore peace and stability. But noooooo…. stupid neocons drunk with power and far too convinced of their own “moral superiority” decided to make history. And they are. In ways they obviously never imagined.

Now we’re stuck. George Bush’s tar baby is America’s tar baby.

And I want Bush and all his “grand thinkers” to pay.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 08:11 PM | Link to this

Hello NIVS,

by Stephen F. Hayes 03/13/2006 5:20:00 PM

*No one can say with any certainty what will come from the document release. Intelligence officials with knowledge of the exploitation process estimate that less than 4 percent of the overall document collection has been fully exploited. It’s reasonable to assume that documents in the collection will provide support to both supporters of the war in Iraq and critics. Summaries of the exploited materials, listed in a U.S. government database known as HARMONY, suggest that the new material will at least complicate the overly simplified conventional wisdom that the former Iraqi regime posed no real threat.

Stephen F. Hayes is a senior writer at The Weekly Standard

By Scooter

March 14, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

So finch, I must not be conservative. Not in your eyes at least. You see, I would think that Saudi Arabia and Turkey would feel safe as they are largely Muslim nations.

However, I would not choose to trust Saddam’s “secret service” to keep WMD’s out of the hands of bad guys. You know Saddam was planning to reconstitute programs after sanctions ended, right? Anyway, he may not keep them out of the hands of our enemies. I wouldn’t normally say that terror and human rights would be a reason to invade countries that haven’t violated over a dozen UN Resolutions, but Iraq had. Iraq also destabilized the region and that is what the UN Resolutions spoke of doing – stabilizing the region. Not to mention, if the Iraq Government stands it will symbolize the generosity of America, cause we’ll be mostly off petroleum by then. Just need to figure out a new way to make plastic.

By Buy Danish

March 14, 2006 10:31 PM | Link to this

finch,

You certainly have powerful feelings of revenge and a need for payback.

It’s puzzling - all this sound and fury…

By HA HA HA

March 14, 2006 11:04 PM | Link to this

“I must have the last word!” by: Buy Danish

By finch

March 14, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

You are right, and it’s probably not healthy. But the Iraq tar-baby really ticks me off. I am relieved to see how former supporters and even authors (Fu-k-uyama) of the Cheney-Wolfowitz-PNAC cabal’s platform are now rejecting that ideology. It’s gratifying watching the evil eat their young.

The perversely named “Operation Iraqi Freedom” fiasco has set the war on terror back by years. The only thing worse that could have been done against Islamofascism would have been nothing.

By payback, I want to see the portfolios, influence, and reputations of these arrogant, immature, self-centered “paragons of peace and justice” destroyed.

By Buy Danish

March 15, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

finch,

What’s this “tar baby” stuff about? Are you saying that the Iraq war is a “racist” war?

I do have video available of phony “Anti-War” protestors interrupting a town meeting presided over by Albright/Berger/Cohen making just such an accusation. The triumverate were discussing Iraq and WMDs. Would you like to see it?

By test

March 19, 2006 01:50 AM | Link to this

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