Mike Luckovich

By Andy

February 26, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

Is there anything the left doesn’t inspect?

By getalife

February 26, 2006 07:19 PM | Link to this

Another great one Mike, nice uniforms.

Well, wrong again on the port deal

Now we have to babysit our President to make sure he does not do anything else stupid.

By Andy

February 26, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

The poster is hoping for a civil war or not hoping for a civil war, we report, you decide:

By finch February 24, 2006 07:51 AM

The WSJ concludess that this is an internal, sectarian struggle among Iraqis, and NOT a crisis stoked by foreign terrorists like Al Qaeda. In fact, this editorial doesn’t even mention Al Qaeda or Osama bin Laden. Sweet.

By DavidU

February 26, 2006 07:46 PM | Link to this

Like I said before all it needs is for the ship to be called the “Titanic” to make it even funnier.

And Mike forgot a container for the Deficit, but I guess that goes hand in hand with the Iraq container. Regardless, very funny!

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 07:46 PM | Link to this

Since when does ml do a cartoon foe the Monday Fishwrapper? Maybe this is for Tuesday, but since getalife already outed it he had to put it up.

By Napo D

February 26, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

Yes Andy. NO ONE is interested in inspecting YOUR packages. Gosh!

By Dusty

February 26, 2006 07:58 PM | Link to this

Real cute, Luckovich. You’re trying to sink the Good Ship Bush with your jellyfish attack. Won’t work.

By Dusty

February 26, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

RW,

how would Getalife have access to ml’s cartoon ahead of time?

By DavidU

February 26, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

RW- I have a beat up US History text book where I looked up information on the 17th Amendmnt, but I will go look for a link.

By MikeIsABigot

February 26, 2006 08:16 PM | Link to this

Only bigots like Mikey and scandal-mongers in the press consider the ports deal a scandal.

But then again Mikey the bigot never lets reality get into the way of a good Bush-bashing. What an idiot.

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 08:18 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

It looks like nothing has changed in the press from back then to today.

After the turn of the century, momentum for reform grew rapidly. William Randolph Hearst expanded his publishing empire with Cosmopolitan, which became a respected general-interest magazine and championed the cause of direct election with muckraking articles and strong advocacy of reform. Hearst hired a veteran reporter, David Graham Phillips, who wrote scathing pieces on senators, portraying them as corrupt pawns of industrialists and financiers. The pieces became a series titled “The Treason of the Senate,” which appeared in several monthly issues of the magazine in 1906.

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

He got it from the Washington Post.

By vincentvega

February 26, 2006 08:22 PM | Link to this

Is this cartoon supposed to be a list of all of the stories that the mainstream media has demonstrably screwed up?

No wonder polls show that the media is consistantly the least trusted of American instutions, following churches, the governemtn and the military.

By DavidU

February 26, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this

RW - Got sidetracked, here the 17th Amendment info.

There have been two principal explanations for changing the Constitution to provide for direct election of senators. Some see the amendment as part of the Progressive movement, ……..Others, however, believe the amendment resulted from the problems the prior constitutional system was creating in state legislatures, who under that system were charged with electing senators. These problems ranged from charges of bribery to unbreakable deadlocks. Deadlocks happened from time to time when, because of party imbalance, a legislature was unable to muster a majority (as necessary under the 1866 law that controlled) in favor any person. The result was to leave the Senate seat empty and leave the state represented by only a single senator, not the constitutionally mandated two.

Professor Zywicki …..contends that the true backers of the 17th amendment were special interests, which had had great difficultly influencing the system when state legislatures controlled the Senate

Basically politicians being career politicians.

By MikeIsABigot

February 26, 2006 08:58 PM | Link to this

“Majority of U.S. Adults Feel President is Justified in Authorizing Wiretaps Without Court Approval to Monitor Suspected Terrorists”

”..a clear majority (69%) of U.S. adults believe that President Bush is sometimes or often justified in authorizing wiretaps without court authorization”

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=642

Only a glass-tower liberal like Mike would be so both so out of touch and so arrogant to criticise Bush for doing something that 69% of Americans agree with.

Despite what Mike and his arrogant peers, a politician diagreeing with the extremist views of the angry left does not make a scandal.

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

And as my Wiki link shows reporters being reporters. It looks like it was an 80 year effort to show this rampant scandal that probably wasn’t.

I’m on dial-up right now so I’m probably going to back out until my cable gets going again.

Buy Danish,

I left you a long rambling response on the other thread. Now I must go strangle the closest Comcast employee.

By finch

February 26, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this

Nope, this poster has never “hoped for a civil war”. Just the opposite. But like the WSJ, this poster realizes that if there’s an Iraqi civil war, Al Qaeda and OBL will not have instigated it, and actually would much rather see Iraqis battle “infidel” Jews and Americans than eachother. It’s hard to build a united Islamic world empire when the kids are busy offing eachother.

This poster also contends that if Iraq had not been invaded, post 9-11, by the US, and if the US had continued to focus on AQ and OBL instead of engaging in a fools errand, the US would have saved money, lives and a reputation that was shining after 9-11. The US would still be respected by a world that perfectly understood why it targetted AQ, OBL and the Taliban in Afghanistan after 9-11. And the US today might actually be cleaning some clocks in the war on terror.

This poster believes that Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rummy, Wolfowitz and Condi have a lot of explaining to do.

Meanwhile, Ted Koppel says in a NYTimes Select OpEd Friday what so many are afraid to admit about the war in Iraq.

And you don’t have to be a NYT Select subscriber to read it.

“For now, the reason for America’s rapt attention to the security of the Persian Gulf is what it has always been. It’s about the oil.”

By finch

February 26, 2006 09:05 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, this Luckovich ‘toon is a stretch. (By the way, is this for Tuesday? He usually doesn’t have one Monday.)

Luckovich aspires to be the Anne Coulter of the left. Only with a different medium.

I think he’s succeeding!

By Jay not jay

February 26, 2006 09:12 PM | Link to this

Hi finch,

the poster acknowledges too many “ifs” as well.

By DavidU

February 26, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

The word for tonight is OIL.

Good article Finch.

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

For now I guess that threat worked!

finch,

Did you ever follow the links back from Sonia to Scoottage to Lydia to see the evolution of those tagged questions?

By Jay not jay

February 26, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

No way, that can’t be finch!

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay,

Yes, it appears finch is an English lass living in Germany. No wonder she was so interested in those questions.

J/K-finch

By finch

February 26, 2006 10:04 PM | Link to this

RW,

I haven’t followed the links. It’s hard.. I mean it’s difficult to get past Sonia. But she could be long lost kin…

Jaynj,

The “if” aren’t just academic. Unlike the liberations of Kuwait and Afghanistan, the world (with a few exceptions, including Britain) wasn’t buying the US rationale for invading Iraq.

No Osama or al Qaeda link. Serious doubts about WMD. And spreading democracy? Who made the US the World Police? There were so many other nations more “worthy” of liberation.

And no, I don’t think the US should have tried to liberate any of them. Not alone, anyway.

Was it about oil? Was it revenge for Saddam trying to pop Poppy? Inquiring minds….

By finch

February 26, 2006 10:06 PM | Link to this

RW,

Sigh. Your Comcast broadband must love you. It goes down on you all the time.

By Semper Fi

February 26, 2006 10:09 PM | Link to this

This looks like a ship carrying all the failed hopes and aspirations of the leftwing media and democratic Party.

Go GW!!!!

By Noah Webster

February 26, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

“Only bigots like Mikey and scandal-mongers in the press consider the ports deal a scandal.”

Follow the money

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

finch,

Have you read Sonia’s Contract of wifely expectations? It’s based on this guy who she says is terribly mild and has the S&M dynamic backward.

As for my Comcast, it hasn’t gone down since around Christmas. Today there have been massive worm attacks going on, so maybe something was going on there. It seems to be running faster than ever now.

By Semper Fi

February 26, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

If ML was really creative, he would have put the flag upside down showing distress, to make his pinko point.

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

That would really be a funny one. Somebody should steal the concept, maybe turn this into a swift boat, and have all the Dems manning the ship as they sail toward the next election. It could be a series ending when they run aground somewhere on November 6th.

By Objective Observer

February 26, 2006 10:24 PM | Link to this

Hey, Andy was right, with ml, yesterday’s cartoon is today’s. Same old, same old!!! Just putting things in their proper place.

By Andy February 26, 2006 07:18 PM

Tomorrow’s cartoon is today.

By Objective Observer February 26, 2006 05:43 PM

The reach required to draw ml’s new cartoon has left his knuckles dragging the ground. All of those containers have been or are in the process of being inspected with the exception of the drug plan. Cheap shot!

And…..ml is a “booger”.

By Semper Fi

February 26, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

RW, sounds like a plan but they only get a white flag for their ship.

By Objective Observer

February 26, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this

Who said this?

“In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low, and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now…The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.”

By Objective Observer

February 26, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

Answer: John F. Kennedy and it was prefaced by this:

Ask modern day Democrats what they think about this one. Looks like Reagan was right and if alive today Kennedy would be a Republican just as Reagan was in the early 1960’s.

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

You can’t put a white flag in the hands of a bunch of moonbats, they would whine each other to death to see who got to surrender first.

Then they would demand that we rescue them and once we did it would have been too slow, the food wouldn’t have been right, we would not have brought enough blankets, etc. etc.

When we got them back to dry land they would just draw a new box about our mismanaged rescue effort. I say they are on their own for a change.

By finch

February 26, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yes, I did read Sonia’s marital contract! If I were her husband, I’d be…. I’d be… I wouldn’t be here.

By RW-(the original)

February 26, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

finch,

Keep in mind the overwhelming possibility that Sonia IS the husband.

By Semper Fi

February 26, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

RW, well said..

By Peter

February 27, 2006 12:06 AM | Link to this

Ahoy! I don’t pay much attention here but from another source understand that GAY JAY, one of the long time homophobic Castrated Crew members has run his mouth. He’s happily in the brig w RW, Homo Andy, Semper Joke, so many other of those rough & ready sillies. It’s their very own Field of Dreams.

Good toon, Mike. And that’s just the FIRST ship in Bozo Bush’s long convoy of failures.

By Bill

February 27, 2006 12:14 AM | Link to this

RW, Bigot, Danish, Semp freak…STFU !

Vast victory in Iraq is only moments away, and you weakies aren’t even watching your tubes. Or…then again…maybe you are.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 12:33 AM | Link to this

Don’t give up now y’all, where’s Brett and Tex and John and Jean? The bathwater has to be getting a little chilly by now.

By hterrya

February 27, 2006 04:51 AM | Link to this

As of the moment I post this, only 5 (count ‘em, five) out of sixty-five (count ‘em, 65) who have voted here, don’t like the cartoon. However, there are forty-one posts (count ‘em, 41) the preponderance of which are from folks who hate Mike Luckovich and his cartoons.

Why don’t you sycophants of the current president go find someplace else to circle jerk? You are outnumbered and outsmarted.

By candide

February 27, 2006 05:36 AM | Link to this

I’d like to see Bush and Cheney in a box.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 06:03 AM | Link to this

Deal eases Iran nuke concerns

It does? Maybe in the minds of you idiot pinkos. I’ll be no longer concerned when the mad mullahs are pushing up daisies.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 06:09 AM | Link to this

Baghdad, Iraq —- Violence killed at least 29 people Sunday, including three American soldiers, and mortar fire rumbled through the heart of Baghdad after sundown despite stringent security measures imposed after an explosion of sectarian violence.

So how does the pinko media know that this is “sectarian” violence and not the usual Al Qaeda murders? Do they have advanced knowledge of these attacks? Are they helping carry them out? Giving their cohorts information on all of the fat targets?

By Andy

February 27, 2006 06:18 AM | Link to this

The residents in New Orleans, for what ever reason, may not be able to clean up after a storm, rebuild their homes or earn their own money but, boy, they sure can party, can’t they? Makes you d-amn proud to be an American, don’t it? Other countries excel at technology, others excel at nuclear insanity, we’re the clown country!

I’ll bet you they put forth the effort to figure out how to bill somebody else for the festivities.

By Wilma Lamb

February 27, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

By sickofsleaze; Bush’s ship not only came in his chickens have come home to roost. So much so that I hear he is now known as a chicken rancher instead of a cattle rancher

By Andy

February 27, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this

In one of his closing comments, Mr. Buckley assumes that eventually President Bush and the military leaders will acknowledge a tactical setback and instead insist on the survival of strategic policies. He has the tactical and strategic definitions confused. The war has been an overwhelming tactical success. Even the enemy has conceded this, which is why the terrorists have relied upon the sensational news of blowing up innocent civilians. Since they are unable to confront coalition forces or the Iraqi Army, they have targeted the weakest link, yet survive upon the benefits that the mainstream media and the left have provided. Those unwilling to continue the success in Iraq look upon the negative news and are adamant that this must be leading to a civil war, thus, indicating defeat in the overall mission. On the contrary, the President and top military leaders have maintained a consistent vision for success in the strategic arena which requires a firm commitment to ensure a free and democratic Iraq.

By Kris

February 27, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Still just throwing out zingers without backing up what you say with real ideas. You do more for the democratic cause then you could ever know.

Since you are more of a Bush toadie than Hannity or Limbaugh could ever hope to be, can please tell me how we are going to win the War on Terrorism and what is an aceptable victory in Iraq. YOu are such a strong supporter of these wars, but why don’t you support raising taxes to pay for them? Is it because you don’t think you should have to make a sacrifice? I don’t even support the war in Iraq (as a rule I would never support a war I wouldn’t in myself, and for your info. I have fought in the war on terror), but since we have no choice but to stay there I think Americans need to cough it up and pay Bush’s mistake. What do you think his approval rating would be then, when people don’t just have to look at the tv to see the war they have to see evidence of the war in their paychecks. I think you would find out real quick who really supports this war and who doesn’t.

If course you will probably just spew ot some more of your garbage about how I am a pinko and want to raise taxes because I love Stalin, but prove me wrong and actually answer my blog without attempting to destroy my character.

P.S. when you do that you are only making yourself feel superior (which by the way is something I thought only liberals do…Republican hypocrisy???) it doesn’t win any arguments. So step up to the plate.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Mixed metaphor alert: Peter greets us with an “ahoy!” but then slips into baseball imagery with mention of “a field of dreams” while Wilma stretches the imagery of the cartoon to “chickens coming home to roost”.

I liked it better when Captain D and his four letter friends were on board using strict nautical terms. Peter is clearly a friend of theirs, but needs to stick to ships. Mixed metaphors offend me.

RW -

Re the 17th, I stand corrected, and you were not rambling. I’m still not sure where I stand on this. The fact that progressives and the Nation were behind it makes me unquestionably leery. Still pondering the pros and cons. One thing in favor of repeal would be the possiblilty that groups like the AARP and Sierra Club may hold less sway…

By Andy

February 27, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

At Camp Fallujah, troops routinely called for “perseverance and patience.� They argued that “timetables can’t control the political process; the political process must control the timetable,� and they voiced the belief that “back home they don’t understand; you don’t understand unless you see it.� “What we see on TV is not what we see on the ground,� a Marine complained. “The news is just a commercial industry. The news system benefits the terrorists.� The dichotomy these troops lamented sounded like an Afghan saying we heard later in the trip from a village elder in Jalalabad: “What you see and what you hear arenever the same.�

It’s a shame that the brave young soldiers risking their lives for your protection and an Afghani villager make more sense then the fat pampered hysterical pinkos in America do.

Accordingly, the American homefront is once again the target of our enemies. Radical Islamists define the American homefront as the center of gravity of the war — that is, the point of greatest weakness, where an otherwise strong military power can be defeated. The North Vietnamese did the same: Their military failure in the Tet Offensive of 1968 convinced them that America could not be defeated in the field, but must be defeated politically at home. The American home front became the center of gravity in the North Vietnamese effort.

Al Qaeda, American left. American left, Al Qaeda. No difference. One in the same, fighting for the same goal.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Sorry to post off topic but an article on today’s front page just had to be acknowledged.

The wayward Gwinnett teen who stole the $2M corporate jet in Florida to take his friends on a joy ride is in jail. The Sheriff won’t let the young darling have any dental floss so the young male’s apparently already over-indulgent father has been “riding” the sheriff for better dental care.

The Sheriff complied yesterday by moving the young “silver spoon” into the same cell with the Gwinnett dentist accused of murdering his wife and previous girlfriend so that the young nob can have 24/7 dental care. Now, THAT’S problem resolution I can REALLY get behind. My kudos to the Gwinnett Sheriff, Butch Conway(Rep), for a job well done!!!

By Andy

February 27, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

I noticed some glee last week, when the country was aflame. (I’m talking about some glee in America.) There are principled critics of the war; then there are those who want it to fail simply because they want it to blow up in George Bush’s face, and Tony Blair’s, and others’.

Hey, finch, it look’s like this guy read some of your statements from last week, how does it feel to get acknowledged?

By Pinko Liberal

February 27, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

If it were Clinton or Kerry allowing the UAE to run our ports the wingnuts would be at the White House with pitchforks. But since Dubya has them all brainwashed to believe that anything he wants is “for the good of the nation” they fall in line like lemmings. You are all just too predictable.

By Flibberdigibbit

February 27, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Where in the hell are those WMDs?

By Cindy

February 27, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

So True! Bush treats average American citizens like crap and Congress turns their heads.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

Butch Conway for President!^^^

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 27, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Pinko Liberalwrote, “If it were Clinton or Kerry allowing the UAE to run our ports the wingnuts would be at the White House with pitchforks. But since Dubya has them all brainwashed to believe that anything he wants is “for the good of the nationâ€? they fall in line like lemmings. You are all just too predictable.” Don’t worry. If something dreadful happens in the future because the same nation that owns the company that wants to own ‘merica’s ports’ owns/operates a banking system that transfered funds to the SunTrust bank accounts of the 9/11 terrorists who flew into the WTC we’ll be treated to 24/7 explanations from Rush, Bill, Shawn, and Ann on how it’s all Clinton’s fault.

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Andy, I knew you didn’t have it in you to acutally make a point without trying to define me as a pinko.

It’s really funny to me how you call these young soliders brave because about 3 years ago I was one of them myself, but since I now oppose Bush’s war I am a pinko trying to aid the terrorists. What have you ever done for your country Andy? You have done nothing, yet you act like you are the most patriotic person on the planet. You know nothing of war or what it takes to fight, you just sit here comfortably far away from anything resembling a war zone and slam people like me who have fought so that people like you can call me a communist. Well I will fight for your right to call me a communist, but not in Iraq because Iraq was not a threat to us.

You probably think doing your patriotic duty is listening to Limbaugh and sending a check to the republican party. What you are doing is nothing different than what the liberals did to the soldiers coming back from Vietnam. Sure you may not be spitting on me, but what you are doing is far worse, you are attacking my patriotism (when I fought for my country) and you challenge the credibility of my beliefs while at the same time telling everyone how you support the troops, when you obviously don’t support this one.

Do everyone in the military a favor don’t pretend to support us because it is obvious you don’t. You use your phony support of the troops to advance your right wing BS, I bet you have one of those little ribbons on your car don’t you…yea, thanks for supporting us tough guy. How about you get all your Republican Hawks who will support this war to the end, to enlist and ease the deployment burden on the troops, don’t just say you support the troops, join them in their rightous fight to spread your beliefs around the world. I think we both know that is not going to happen, because while you talk a big game, that is really all you are, a talker.

We were lied to. There was no WMD in Iraq and there was no terrorist links to Saddam. That is why we were sent over there and now we are being told we were sent to further liberty and democracy around the world….well BS!!! That is not a war I will fight, and I know you wouldn’t either, you won’t even support a tax increase to pay for the war. But somehow, because you talk and talk and talk about how you support the troops that makes you more patriotic and more of an American than me, when I walked the walked or fought the fight…you are pathetic.

By kimberly

February 27, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Kris, thank you for your service to our nation, both then and now.

By John

February 27, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Besides describing Andy rather well, Kris Sauriol managed to capture the essence of Dick “I had other priorities, 5 deferrals” Cheney too.

Lets start a “Send Andy to Iraq” fund.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Kris: First of all, I was ignoring you. The post was not meant for your pleasure.

Secondly, since this seems to be “Freedom to Make As-sumptions About People You Don’t Even Know Day” let me take this opportunity to say that, based on the tone and the content of your arguments, I doubt that you are even a man and that women are not allowed in combat. Along those same lines, if you think I am just supposed to take your word for it, with you being a fully functional liberal democrat pathological liar, you need to get real.

On the off hand chance that my argument does nothing to deter you from your crutch bearing “were all just supposed to cave in to your wisdom” concept, why don’t you check out what the author of the post you so decidedly brushed aside has to his credit:

Dexter Lehtinen was severely wounded as a reconnaissance platoon leader in Vietnam. He later graduated first in his class from Stanford Law School and served as a Florida state senator and United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida. He recently returned from a congressional trip to Iraq, Kuwait, and Afghanistan (he is married to Florida congresswoman Illeana Ros-Lehtinen).

If you don’t mind, could I go back to ignoring you, please?

By Eric

February 27, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Very clever, Mike!

By getalife

February 27, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Kris,

Thank you for your service and glad you made it back.

By Flibberdigibbit

February 27, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

After being on leave, our nephew just returned to Baghdad yesterday.

One of the very first things he said when he first got off a plane from Baghdad some 2-weeks ago is that the United States never put enough troops on the ground in Iraq to complete the mission.

“Mission Accomplished” my a$$ you myopic Bushies!

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Andy,

You really are a joke. I would love to meet you some time…you know talk about politics, trade war stories and such. Personally I don’t believe a word you say about who you are. Lucky for you because of the Internet we all went to Ivy League schools, have purple hearts and just came back from a first hand account of Iraq.

Unless we meet, I will never know and I don’t blindly trust anybody, especially Republicans…the whole lied to thing in Iraq has sort of eroded any trust I could ever have for Republicans.

By Scooter

February 27, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

Inconveniently for critics of the war, Saddam made tapes in his version of the Oval Office. These tapes landed in the hands of American intelligence and were recently aired publicly.

“The first 12 hours of the tapes — there are hundreds more waiting to be translated — are damning, to say the least. They show conclusively that Bush didn’t lie when he cited Saddam’s WMD plans as one of the big reasons for taking the dictator out.”

Nobody disputes the tapes’ authenticity. On them, Saddam talks openly of programs involving biological, chemical and, yes, nuclear weapons.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Good article, Scooter:

Again, not true. In a tape dating to April 1995, Saddam and several aides discuss the fact that U.N. inspectors had found traces of Iraq’s biological weapons program. On the tape, Hussein Kamel, Saddam’s son-in-law, is heard gloating about fooling the inspectors.

“We did not reveal all that we have,” he says. “Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct.”

“What was most disturbing,” said John Tierney, the ex- FBI agent who translated the tapes, “was the fact that the individuals briefing Saddam were totally unknown to the U.N. Special Commission (or UNSCOM, the group set up to look into Iraq’s WMD programs).”

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

We were lied to. There was no WMD in Iraq and there was no terrorist links to Saddam. That is why we were sent over there and now we are being told we were sent to further liberty and democracy around the world

Kris Sauriol,

If you were indeed a soldier fighting on our side in the war on terror, then you are to be commended for your service.

It is curious though how someone who has been in the thick of things is so seemingly intent on distorting our mission in Iraq as laid by President Bush prior to the invasion. You claim to be unaware that liberty was ever a part of the whole picture and now you want no part of it. It seems that at best you are either uninformed, or misinformed.

Here’s the link to W’s speech to the U.N. prior to the invasion of Iraq

By Flibberdigibbit

February 27, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

Wonderful, an attribution by the IBD with no journalist credited.

Having WMDs and having plans for WMDs are entirely separate facts.

I could have a desire to build an Ivory Tower, but it doesn’t mean I currently distance-myself from reality by dwelling in one.

By getalife

February 27, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

“You are the weakest link, goodbye.”

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Flibberdigibbit -

What does “an attribution by the IBD with no journalist credited” refer to?

I await your swift reply.

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

We were frightened into believing there was WMD and links to terrorism in Iraq and that is why we went. To make the story more enticing to Americans we were also told that after we take out this evil dictator with ties to what I stated above we will create a democracy. Creating a democracy was not the reason to go over there it was what we were going to do after we took out Saddam. It became the reason when the real reasons were proved to be false.

Had Bush told Americans the primary reason to invade Iraq was to spread democracy you might have a point, but that was never the understanding. Besides if that was the primary reason nobody but toadies or faux patriots like Andy would have supported the war.

You can’t just say that I am distorting the reason to go to war because couldn’t be further from the truth. Look at it like this, the whole notion of liberating the Iraqi’s was the dessert, it wasn’t the meat of the call to go to war. Without the threat of WMD or the link to terrorism the notion that we were going to war to liberate the Iraqi people would of been ridiculous…because why were we going to liberate the Iraqi people in the first place….because their leader supposedly had WMD and links to terrorists.

We can all agree there are lots of bad leaders out there, that being said we can’t just go around invading every country that we don’t like, there has to be a real reason, like a real threat to America, and the real reason we went in to Iraq was found to be a lie - there was no real threat. So now this spreading democracy nonsense is the only leg the Republicans have to stand on, and as public opinion polls show, that leg is shaky at best.

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Well, I am sorry to read the disillusioned words of a man who claims to have been a soldier in the Iraqi War. He seems to doubt EVERYTHING. Yet American support of the military is just about universal.

Sure, I’ll repeat those basic but true words: THIS IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Our policies are set by ELECTED officials and our Constitution. We VOTE.

If you think you are living in a snake pit, get out of it. Nobody is making you stay.

Freedom of speech is great. But it gets very tiresome when used frequently to diminish the government and the country, not to give support.

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Are you advocating that I cut and run. While that may be a Rebpulican debate tactic that is not how I intend to fight this fight.

By the way I agree that America is the greatest country in the world. I just want to keep it that way. Disagreeing with the Bush Administration and the war in Iraq does not mean I think America is a snake pit…You Republicans listen to too much talk radio.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Kris Sauriol,

When you said, “Lucky for you because of the Internet we all went to Ivy League schools, have purple hearts and just came back from a first hand account of Iraq”, were you referring at all to this post from Andy?:

Dexter Lehtinen was severely wounded as a reconnaissance platoon leader in Vietnam. He later graduated first in his class from Stanford Law School and served as a Florida state senator and United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida. He recently returned from a congressional trip to Iraq, Kuwait, and Afghanistan (he is married to Florida congresswoman Illeana Ros-Lehtinen).

Please clarify your statement.

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

YES! Who else could I have been refering to?

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Kris Sauriol,

If you “misunderstood” then that is your problem. Ignorance is no excuse. The speech to the U.N. was not a big secret, was widely televised, and was available to you and the world to hear.

The bottom line is that you can disagree with the goals of bringing liberty to the Middle East as being a lofty and perhaps unattainable goal. You CANNOT claim that you were lied to, and that this part of the overall strategy was thrown in after the fact, because to do so Sir or Madam, makes you a lying liar.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Kris Sauriol -

BECAUSE! You imply that the writer is lying. Just making up the whole thing out of whole cloth.

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Sorry, Kris, but you are making the country and the government look like a snake pit. If you think that is helpful, only the terrorists will agree with you.

I don’t listen to talk radio, just a little jazz now and then. To whom do you listen? Cindy Sheehan?

By finch

February 27, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

kris, keep up the good work.

You certainly can claim that you were lied to over the Iraq invasion, although it’s possible that you weren’t. There’s a chance that the Bush administration was just so dumb that it really believed that Iraq under Saddam not only had WMDs, and even had means of delivering them, but was determined to use them against the US.

Of course, all of that was untrue.

You are entirely justified for ridiculing the Bush administration’s campaign to “spread democracy” to places where nobody understands the concept. Just because it was outlined in a speech to the UN doesn’t make it praiseworthy, or even prudent. The US shouldn’t be using military force to spread democracy anywhere anyways, and even if this policy were smart, there are places that need democracy far more than Iraq did. Sudan, Saudi Arabia and North Korea come to mind. Something besides “spreading democracy” was behind the Iraq invasion. Oil? Revenge?? Inquiring minds….

Don’t take the bait on the Tierny tapes, kris! The right-wingers are appalled that they don’t prove Iraq had WMDs, so they’re trying to warp Saddam’s idle musings into concrete reality.

If the Tierney tapes of Saddam’s private chats were truly a “smoking gun” the Bush administration would be all over them, promoting them as further justification for the Iraq invasion. The administration’s silence on this is painfully telling.

By Voice of Reason

February 27, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Kris - You are trying to argue with the deaf mute. Regardless of what you saw, what you think or what you were told it’s wrong if it isn’t in support of GWB. These clowns on here sit and talk about how they support the president and the troops and turn around and tell you how wrong you are or how misinformed you are.

It’s like talking to a corner in a dark room. The president tells them we are making a difference, the president tells them that the infrastructure of Iraq is better than before - but when we come back and tell the truth about what’s going on over there we are liberal pinkos who love Cindy Sheehan.

They are pointless dude. Don’t even waste your time with them because they will find a way to twist what you say and have a habit of missing the point if it’s not theirs.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

finch,

like I said, you can disagree, but you cannot claim that Bush lied.

Kris Sauriol,

As I have inferred that your intent was to claim that Dexter does not exist and is merely a character created in cyberspace, I am supplying you with more info.

Scroll down for more info on Dexter Lehtinen. BTW, I Kinda like the the other stuff to

By Voice of Reason

February 27, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

They are as messed up as this administration. Colin Powell, the man who helped topple and cripple Iraq in the 90s, is the same person they ignored before the war. The same way they discounted his knowledge and experience, these trolls are trying to do the same to you, me and everybody else who had feet on the ground.

Their method is simple and stupid. How do you discredit our opinion, question our service. Sounds very familiar and it’s nauseating.

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Occasionally (like an hour a week) I listen to Neil Boortz, believe it or not I agree with him sometimes, and I even listen to Limbaugh, but only because I like hearing the right’s perspective on issues. As you can tell though I don’t agree with Rush on anything, he is such a hack I honestly don’t know how anyone with a brain can believe what that guy says. I guess when all you are looking to do is justify your position on something, anything will do.

I have to admit I don’t really pay attention to Cindy Sheehan, although whether you agree with her or not, I don’t think it is fair to criticize the mother of a fallen soldier. She is angry and her pain is something she is using to speak out against the war. There is nothing wrong with that. If you don’t agree with her just ignore her, for god’s sake she lost her son. Why does eveyone have to demonize her?

For the record America is not a snake pit. Why is it that the right beleives that if you disagree with Bush you don’t believe in America? That is so far from the truth and it doesn’t even make sense.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

VOR -

You got it. Your new best buddy is misinformed, uninformed and/or lying.

Time to get in the bathtub.

By Voice of Reason

February 27, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - Thanks for the tip. Time for YOU to get your head out of your a-ss.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Actually VOR, it is KRIS who questions the service and credentials of DEXTER. I think “KRIS” may be dead or in hiding.

KRIS - are you still floating around out there, crafting a response to be presented using another name, who will of course defend KRIS?

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Danish,

What are you Dexter’s little stooge or something. I think Dexter or Andy or whatever he/she is calling himself/herself can defend himself/herself.

Besides what does this have to do with any issue affecting America. It doesn’t, it is just your way of making an irrelevant argument that you think you can win with me. Classic Republican, change the subject to one that will distract from the real issue. Good job dude, you have learned from your Republican masters.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

AHA, Kris is back!

While leaving the Dexter comment unanswered, he jumps to Cindy Sheehan and asks plaintively, Why does everyone have to demonize her?

Gosh, I can’t imagine why we would pick on someone who consorts with Chavez, compares convicted terrorist lawyer Lynne Stewart to Atticus Finch, calls Bush a terrorist, and generally supplies anti-American propaganda to Al Qaeda and Al Jazeera. She’s a perfect angel of course.

By George

February 27, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Kris

Thank you for your service to the country.

Andy is a legend in his own mind and has nothing to contribute to the world so he types all day, every day.

Unfortunately, most of the Bush apologists on this blog that are armchair generals so you won’t see many that would actually support the troops. They just talk and talk about supporting the troups since doing something is everyone elses job.

Talk is cheap and that is all they have in their little world. Please try to find a little sympathy for the Andy’s here because this is all they have.

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Danish,

Calm down buddy, you are so eager to jump all over me. I responded to you, if you haven’t noticed I am defending my arguments to a number of people.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

KRIS -

I’m sorry, but I do not suffer fools gladly, and must now put into words the thoughts that are circulating in my brain: YOU ARE A MORON. Period.

Andy is not claiming to be Dexter Lehtinen you idiot. He linked to a story WRITTEN BY Dexter Lehinten that appeared in NRO online.

Titled, “Iraq As Vietnam Disappointments on the homefront”

By Brian Curtis

February 27, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

There are a lot of sadly confused people here, Kris, who think that supporting Bush is the same thing as being patriotic. They don’t realize yet that there’s no way to straddle a fence that wide.

You can love America OR be a Bush booster… but you can’t do both.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Kris,

If you served thank you.

That being said you may be the most misinformed clown I have ever seen spouting off about almost any topic. Dexter Lehtinen is a fictitious internet handle? BTW, his Republican wife, the Congresswoman, is against President Bush on the UAE deal.

You say just lay off Cindy Sheehan because she lost a son. This woman has said Bush is ten times the terrorist OBL is, she has said this country is not worth dying for under any circumstances, and I could go on if it wasn’t making me sick to continue on her.

The only anonymous person to claim an Ivy league education here is the one patting you on the a-ss at 11:38.

You say you listen to Rush occasionally to see what the “right” is thinking. If you listened or read a little more widely you would know that there is no monolithic thought in the Republican party.

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

RW,

I disagree, the right thinks with one, rather small, brain. You all think and say the same things, and you are all wrong about practically everything.

I misinterpreted Andy’s statement, you got me there buddy, but when it comes to ideas, that is something that matters, you have nothing on me. So keep talking up the non-issues because it’s all you got.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Kris,

Pick a topic and I’ll go toe to toe with you any time, although I will probably have to take some no-doz to keep you from boring me to sleep.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

Kris,

Your problem is that you don’t know the difference between “ideas” and “fantasy”.

finch,

You’ve allied yourself with a real winner!

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Dennis Weaver has succumbed to cancer, it’s been a bad weekend for actors in their 80’s.

RIP Sam McCloud

By finch

February 27, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

With all respect, no one can prove that Bush didn’t lie. I like to think he’s just dumb, but maybe he’s a great actor, like Don Knotts.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

It is far too easy to see that Kris is a woman who is trying to shout down the debate by claiming that “he” served in Iraq. It’s like we have a wounded war veteran speed typist? Please.

Just an opinion (-:

By Scooter

February 27, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

I can say the UN placed the burden of proof on Saddam, not Bush.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

finch,

That was awfully an awfully weak reply to Buy Danish.

Kris,

Here’s a vacation plan for you, you can rub noses with the enlightened set that you claim membership in. Who needs elections when you can just stage a coup?

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

I’m getting good at this overcompensating with extra words. Sweet!

By Objective Observer

February 27, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

No Scooter, you cannot say that! The first amendment is very obviously owned exclusively by the Democrats here. Now if you wanted to say that the U.N. is a burden, I would be right there with you.

By Syd

February 27, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Once again, little Mikey is so predictable. Though I certainly am not the biggest Bush fan, I firmly believe the media and the far left liberal types intentionally skew there facts, stories, political cartoons, etc. Frankly, I think most of little Mikeys cartoons are akin to a small child calling someone a name, screaming a little “na na na boo boo”, and then running away. It really would be nice to for once hear a well balanced report.

By finch

February 27, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

RW,

Now, now. I’ve never suggested a coup. That would be seditious! And I’m no fan of the UN except as an advisory body. Tell you what, though. If you don’t stereotype me as a left wing looney, I promise not to suggest you’re a wingnut. (wink) Deal?

I see the third shoe has dropped in Hollywood. Dennis Weaver’s gone to that great soundstage in the sky. I always thought he was over-the-top great in 1971’s “Duel”, the TV flick that jump started Steven Speilberg’s career.

By RE

February 27, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Kris, if you have not noticed yet, those who proclaim their patriotism most loudly are also the first to call you a traitor, coward, fool…etc if you disagree with the administration, you will be likened to a terrorist enabler, as if Osama is hiding out just waiting for the NYT or some other entity to critisize the government before launching an attack.

Thank you for you service, I believe you have the right to speak your mind.

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Kris,

First, thank you for your service. I know the wing nuts on here allege support for America, all of the troops, and OF COURSE their commander-in-chief. However, as the comments on here have shown they are hypocrites of the most unparalleled form.

(And when I say “they� I mean in an all-encompassing variety. There is no difference from one to another. A wing nut is a Rush/Hannity/Coulter… gag devotees of the most disturbing variety. Not very patriotic to ASSUME and lump a whole group of people into ONE category, I know. Making a point there. It will COMPLETELY go over their heads tho.)

Let’s start by looking at the wing nut’s defense today:

From Andy’s 10:09 AM post: Kris: First of all, I was ignoring you. (Nice. Good way to show you have the APTITUDE to debate someone…) Secondly, since this seems to be “Freedom to Make As-sumptions About People You Don’t Even Know Day� let me take this opportunity to say that, based on the tone and the content of your arguments, I doubt that you are even a man and that women are not allowed in combat. Along those same lines, if you think I am just supposed to take your word for it, with you being a fully functional liberal democrat pathological liar, you need to get real. (WOW. Well thought out argument. “You’re a woman and I don’t have to DEIGN to debate you…� ALWAYS such an unbeatable argument there!)

Then we have “Danish� at 10:40AM and “Dusty� join the fray.

If you were indeed a soldier fighting on our side in the war on terror, then you are to be commended for your service. (IF… as in: IF you think the president lied THEN I don’t believe you were EVER in the war… GRRRRRRRREAT argument there too! Keep ‘em coming boys!) It is curious though how someone who has been in the thick of things is so seemingly intent on distorting our mission in Iraq as laid by President Bush prior to the invasion. You claim to be unaware that liberty was ever a part of the whole picture and now you want no part of it. It seems that at best you are either uninformed, or misinformed. (Ah, the ol’ he MEANT to say “Liberty� and it came out “WMD� claim. WHEW. Glad SOMEONE remembered that one!)

And Dusty’s pearls of wisdom arrived at 11:09AM…

Well, I am sorry to read the disillusioned words of a man who claims to have been a soldier in the Iraqi War. He seems to doubt EVERYTHING. Yet American support of the military is just about universal. (LOOK folks! It’s the “If you don’t support the war you don’t support the troops argument!!! YEAAAAAA! Gets ‘em EVERYTIME!) Sure, I’ll repeat those basic but true words: THIS IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Our policies are set by ELECTED officials and our Constitution. We VOTE. If you think you are living in a snake pit, get out of it. Nobody is making you stay. (That’s EXACTLY what Kris said not a moment… before… huh. Don’t see that though… Well it was UNDERLYING. THAT’S the assertion here. GOT IT.) Freedom of speech is great. But it gets very tiresome when used frequently to diminish the government and the country, not to give support. (Blindly support Republican prez… Bash Dem prez at any and all costs… divide country ONLY when Democratic president in office… I’m trying to get all this down for future reference MMM-KAY?)

And then it happens! (Can you feel it in the air?!?!) RW makes his arrival (SQUEAL!) 12:24PM

Kris, If you served thank you. (Again, dissent equals lying about service. Write this one down folks! You may need it for future reference!!!) That being said you may be the most misinformed clown I have ever seen spouting off about almost any topic. Dexter Lehtinen is a fictitious internet handle? BTW, his Republican wife, the Congresswoman, is against President Bush on the UAE deal. You say just lay off Cindy Sheehan because she lost a son. This woman has said Bush is ten times the terrorist OBL is, she has said this country is not worth dying for under any circumstances, and I could go on if it wasn’t making me sick to continue on her. (The dissenting against the administration thing again… now when it was Clinton, it was and IS fair game. But Bush??? NOOOOOO. Not an option. Clinton had sex, Bush gets American troops killed…. Oh, yeah. NOW I see the correlation. OOH! Can I hear the argument about it’s Clinton’s fault about lack of armor cuz he reduced the defense budget… yeah, he really should have predicted a warmonger for the next administration… DUH) The only anonymous person to claim an Ivy league education here is the one patting you on the a-ss at 11:38. You say you listen to Rush occasionally to see what the “right� is thinking. If you listened or read a little more widely you would know that there is no monolithic thought in the Republican party. (Yep, all I ever see on here is coherent and well thought out ideas and opinions that truly help persuade the left to understand the wing nut magnetism… There name calling and left-bashing is kept to a minimum. The pathetic arguments and talking points are never repeated over and over again with no real context.)

Very good arguments here today wing nuts. I mean, B-R-A-V-O!

Losers

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

Kris,

You have now fallen in line with the far left. You have said “the right thinks with one, rather small, brain.” Indeed, that is why the right is now running the country and you and your big”brains”are beating your heads against a stone wall. You offer nothing but a loser’s gripes.

You cannot separate into little cubicles the government, the president, the Iraq War and the military. They all come under one big heading—-AMERICA. If you unfairly criminalize one, you do it to the whole country.

Try offering something constructive beyond hate politics. We may then believe that you do not think this country is a…snakepit.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

finch,

For someone that claims not to be a left wing looney, you make some mighty quick assumptions. The coup is in my link that gives Kris an idea for a vacation. It has no connection to you other than the list of organizations involved.

There is no leverage in refraining from calling me anything, because many are going to anyway and I could not care less.

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Hey, One for the road,

Thanks for repeating my posts. Glad you ENJOYED those words.

You mean they were PATRIOTIC? Guess I slipped up. That is definitely not POLITICALLY CORRECT.

Here’s another one. THE TRUTH HURTS. Sorry, bub, but you’re hurting. Hope you feel better soon. Get some help.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

This is just like finishing a Broadway play and waiting an hour for the reviews. Thanks AntiRadical! Even if it wasn’t you and you were merely the inspiration for “One for the road” and her bold moonbattery.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

O.K, so not only are the Conservatives supposed to STFU, now we won’t be allowed to point out the fact that “one for the road” is “Kris Sauriol” advocating for herself.

This would be our “war hero’s” very first, straight out of the box, post this morning:

By Kris February 27, 2006 08:54 AM

Andy,<——- That’s me!

Still just throwing out zingers without backing up what you say with real ideas. You do more for the democratic cause then you could ever know.

Since you are more of a Bush toadie than Hannity or Limbaugh could ever hope to be, can please tell me how we are going to win the War on Terrorism and what is an aceptable victory in Iraq.

I’m sorry if I don’t get near as excited about all this as the rest of you libs have. Most soldiers that I know are usually polite, unassuming people who have put their lives on the line for other people’s freedom to express their views.

You pinkos seem to be fighting for something entirely different than our country.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 27, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Kris: Welcome Home and thanks.

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

OH! OH! (Waaaaaaait for it!!!)

ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! (that was the sound of a clock running out for those who missed it).

Wrong Andy-hole. Try again tho! “There can’t POSSIBLY be anyone else that could SUPPORT someone who was a troop that fought in the war and came home A:dissillusioned and B:a dissenter of THIS ADMINISTRATION! GASP (I know! I’ll say it’s the same person with a different name! Get’s ‘em every time!)

Yeah that was real good Cheney work…. (“Cheney work”… a select few might pick up on that) but oh, so wrong, nutboy. (Oohh… insulting name-calling. THINK-THINK-THINK.) One of you has something worthy coming back, right?

Still pathetic.

Hypocrite losers to boot

By Andy

February 27, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

I know you libs are going to accuse me of cheerleading for my country but allow me to say that life’s a bitc-h, ain’t it?

Top Zarqawi Aide Nabbed, Iraq (Asia) TV Says Monday, February 27, 2006

Iraqiya TV identified the captive as Abu al-Farouq, a Syrian. It said he was captured with five other alleged Al Qaeda operatives in the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad. The raid was carried out by the ministry’s counterinsurgency Wolf Brigade.

Forces of the Interior Ministry, under the control of the country’s majority Shiite Muslims, are routinely accused by minority Sunnis of targeting civilians within their community.

So Al Qaeda is not trying to gin up a civil war, they’re just killing the Sunnis for excitement, right?

By RE

February 27, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Andy I would like to congratulate you on raising the level of discourse on this site. I am happy to see that for any of those folks out there you think you have no idea what you are talking about, you have proved them wrong. It is now evident that you do know what continent Iraq is on.

By Andy's my hero

February 27, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Way to go Andy, Keep pointing that finger, and pushing OUR country farther apart from each other. YOU practice what you preach:

Accordingly, the American homefront is once again the target of our enemies. Radical Islamists define the American homefront as the center of gravity of the war — that is, the point of greatest weakness, where an otherwise strong military power can be defeated. The North Vietnamese did the same: Their military failure in the Tet Offensive of 1968 convinced them that America could not be defeated in the field, but must be defeated politically at home. The American home front became the center of gravity in the North Vietnamese effort.

Andy, you have got to be one of the most gullible people around. It’s kind of sad that you believe everything that the president and his administration say. Remember how we were going to Iraq to get rid of WMD’s? It’s funny how they were never found and suddenly the tune changed to “liberationâ€?. Now we can thank the Bush for spawning more terrorism and the Muslim world further having western society. Is it that hard for you to think for yourself Andy without having someone do it for you?

By Midori

February 27, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

One for the road:

very impressive!

I salute you!!!

Excellent, excellent job!!!!

Kick as*, baby!!!!!!

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Andy,

ahhh, back from lunch, I see you wing nuts have been busy trying to slam my character. Good job, you still have no ideas though and that is what it is really about.

I meant that we should have coffee sometime. I will bring my Medals, Ribbons, pictures and stories to tell you what serving your country is really about, and you can bring your little magnetic car ribbon to show how much you supported my sacrifice and Americas soldiers fighting abroad.

Oh and just so you know I am not a women, but I do believe that a women serving her country is twice the man you could ever hope to be. At least she does something for her country while all you do is post on the AJC blog. How very patriotic you are Andy.

Loser.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

By finch February 27, 2006 11:38 AM

There’s a chance that the Bush administration was just so dumb that it really believed that Iraq under Saddam not only had WMDs, and even had means of delivering them, but was determined to use them against the US.

The case for WMD in Iraq (Asia) presented to Bush in the CIA’s National Intelligence Estimate before the invasion:

Key Judgments {from October 2002 NIE}

Iraq’s (Asia) Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.

By RE

February 27, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Now this is funny

GAY ADOPTION. State Senator Robert Hagan (D-Ohio) says he will introduce legislation to ban Republican couples from adopting children. According to Hagan, “credible research” shows that adopted children raised in GOP households are more at risk for developing “emotional problems, social stigmas, inflated egos, and alarming lack of tolerance for others they deem different than themselves and an air of overconfidence to mask their insecurities.” Hagan agrees there is no scientific evidence backing his claims about Republican parents — just, as Hagan notes, there is none backing State Representative Ron Hood’s (R) bill banning gay parents from adopting. Hood claims children purportedly suffer from emotional “harm” when they are adopted by gay couples. Hagen admits he created his proposal to mock Hood’s proposed ban on gay adoption in a way that people would see the “blatantly discriminatory and extremely divisive” nature of the bill. The GOP House leadership does not support Hood’s proposal.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Who is this mysterious blogger who signs in as “One for the Road*”?

I am glad it didn’t sign in as “One MORE for the road” as that would have ruined a perfectly wonderful Frank Sinatra song just as surely as Cindy Sheehan destroyed To Kill a Mockingbird for me.

Which leave us with

Or could it be a name inspired by this

or perhaps this Huntsville native who performs in Atlanta

Hopefully not the latter as anyone who loves Frank has, at least until this point in time, been fine by me.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

There are going to be some very drunk people.

Give me an M!

Give me an I!

I see Midori has weighed in with the usual brilliance.

By Jay not jay

February 27, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

I think Lucko’s container cruiser stopped by the broadway hit Monkey Island on the way in and picked up Kris and his “pals”.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

It might be inspired by Boz Scaggs. We can just call OFTR Lido.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

I have to ask a real quick question of you pinkos- Do you realize that when posted text is either [blue] or in italics that means that it is attributable to someone else? That you can click on the blue and someone else’s words will magically appear?

I’m just wondering as it seems you libs think I’m making all this up on my own. I’m really not the enemy you think I am, actually the whole world is against you.

Enjoy that little revelation!

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

FROM RW-(the MOST UNoriginal)

February 27, 2006 01:42 PM

This is just like finishing a Broadway play and waiting an hour for the reviews. Thanks AntiRadical! Even if it wasn’t you and you were merely the inspiration for “One for the road� and her bold moonbattery.

ErrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRR … AGAIN. PAAAAAAAATHETIC! This is the best you wing NUTS have isn’t it??? (Gee golly… ‘One for the road’ has to be _ in DISGUISE).

Looo-hooo-hoo-ser-er-ers.

COME ON. Make this WORTH MY EFFORT. Something INSPIRING. No, Andysack. No name calling “pervert” or “pinko” or anything RELATING to “homo-” ANYTHING. Try somethin’ N-E-W. And ORIGINAL

DARE. Double DARE. OOOOOOOOOOH

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay,

So you don’t say much and then you weigh in with that comment. Are you kidding me…I don’t expect you to have any real insightful ideas, but all you have done is just join the chorus of Republican attacks on my character.

Does any Republican have any idea of how to win in Iraq? Any of you, I know you are reading. Do any of you have any ideas on how to win this war on terrorism? How to balance the budget and get this country out of Debt? How to improve this country’s standing in the world which ranks just above world opinon for Iran? Or is all you have to add to any argument a stupid comment trying to make fun of someone? Are all Republicans trapped in an elementary school mentality?

Get a clue Jay not jay and then make a post directed at me…attack my ideas, provide solutions or just shut up.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

By all means type away Lido, your posts verify the dearth of ideas from the left better than anything we could say.

By Mike

February 27, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

RE- Hysterical post about the proposed legislation, and so true. It just kills me what is going on in this country now with regards to gay issues. All of this bigoted hatred is doing nothing to protect children…the reality is, that it is making children, who know they are different, struggle even more with themselves now, just hearing all the anti-gay crap surrounding us everyday under this administration. I am gay, and remember as young as fourth grade, hearing stuff from others and knowing that what I was hearing wasnt true. Every gay person was a kid once too and struggled with feeling different than everyone else…I cant imagine what the kids are going through now, just knowing they are attracted to someone of the same sex. States stopping gays from adopting would be the low point of these insane 8 years we are living through.

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

(Siiiiiiiiiigh). No, Danish… “One for the road” is a refernce and is only meant in true SARCASM. It has nothing to do with ol’ Blue Eyes. Try to figure it out.

And RW… I would have thought “Chomsky” would have been a better label for me from you. Come now. Something a bit more erudite if you will. THEN I might take you seriously.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

RW -

I’ve got it! OFTR the ghost of the iconic hipster cat

It was that crazy bloggery, masquerading as poetry, that tipped me off to the Beat Generation link

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Kris,

I just painfully read back through all of your posts. There is a lot of invective, but the only idea presented is to raise taxes. If you actually have an idea why don’t you try stating it and we will proceed.

Lido,

Just enjoying the Nom de Plume immortalized in that fine song.

By Jay not jay

February 27, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

Kris, the way to win Iraq is to provide security and training so they can stand on their own. Not by screaming for a bail out before they even have their elections. As much as I’d like to, I don’t have time to sit here all day and write a book for you. Good day!

By RE

February 27, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

from RW: your posts verify the dearth of ideas from the left better than anything we could say

I know it is commonly accepted that the dems have no ideas, but it seems like the GOP has not really been overflowing with ideas either. It is more of a doctrine of support Bush. Anything idea that goes against that doctrine seems to be dismissed as a complaint (or outright treason) instead of an idea. Where are the ideas from the GOP…please note, stay the course is not really a new idea

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

KRIS -

You first with the ideas!

Ours can be found on the RNC and White House websites, on the editorial pages of various brilliant publications and blogs, on this shared-blog, and in countless other locations. We don’t always agree on every idea, but the ideas are out there.

In contrast, yours are lost in outerspace and can’t even find their way to cyberspace. Perhaps it is because “figments of the imagination” do not equal “ideas”.

We’re waiting! Our nation is waiting! Bring them on! Just please give us something post-Marxism because we’ve heard those ideas already and want NEW ones.

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

THAT’S IT Danish! You got me!

Good chuckle there, thx. :]

Wait. Am I EARLY drug addled-Kerouac? or late drunk-Kerouac? I need clarification! Quick!

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

RE -

You and Kris can huddle and work as a team!

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

OFTR -

I don’t know, but your poetry sucks.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

OFTR -

Let me clarify that. You should have quit when you were ahead. Your DEAD poetry sucks.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

OFTR,

Since you have experience with being drug and/or alcohol addled maybe you can explain this. Keep in mind this was for HER test.

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

Wait… When or at what point EXACTLY did I become a beatnik? Cause all I said is that you people on here that rant and rave about dissenters being UNpatriotic are re-cheney-ulous and went on to point out PRECISELY how… <—— no where in there did I include the “chi-ch-ch-chi” high-hat sound! I haven’t been ramblin’ like Dylan have I? Come now, really?

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

No matter how long RE and Kris huddle, the only “idea” they will have will be to raise taxes. They will send out the trick eyebrow to claim they “have a better way”, but they will guard the secret of that better way like the Hope diamond.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

OFTR -

Dylan? Don’t flatter yourself.

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

FROM RW-(the UNoriginal)

February 27, 2006 03:10 PM

OFTR,

Since you have experience with being drug and/or alcohol addled maybe you can explain this. Keep in mind this was for HER test.

The “article” he’s citing is about a male reproductive organ!!! <—- can’t even make this up, folks. What IS IT with repubs and bodily parts/functions and Homo-_? If it isn’t weird/sexual it has to be gay related. “The lady doth protesteth too much, methinks”. Frued would have a FIELD DAY with you people! EW EW EW. Creepy alert! AROOOOOOGA! Just plain nasty.

By RE

February 27, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

BD

Ours can be found on the RNC and White House websites, on the editorial pages of various brilliant publications

Such as: Bill Buckley, National Review

“One can’t doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed”

“He will certainly face the current development as military leaders are expected to do: They are called upon to acknowledge a tactical setback, but to insist on the survival of strategic policies.

Yes, but within their own counsels, different plans have to be made. And the kernel here is the acknowledgment of defeat.”

Pat Buchannan

“Why would a president use his State of the Union to lash out at a school of foreign policy thought that has had zero influence in his administration? The answer is a simple one, but it is not an easy one for Bush to face: His foreign policy is visibly failing, and his critics have been proven right.

But rather than defend the fruits of his policy, Bush has chosen to caricature critics who warned him against interventionism. Like all politicians in trouble, Bush knows that the best defense is a good offense”

Scott McClellan, in referance to the timing of the predients knowledge of the ports deal:

“Q When specifically did the President — how did he find out about this — and when specifically? Was it last week when this blew up? He read it in the paper?

MR. McCLELLAN: No, it was coming out last week, and he learned about it over the last several days. I couldn’t pinpoint the exact time, but last several days, recently. “

Yeah, the GOP is right on target.

By Midori

February 27, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

RW,

You’re just jealous.

You see, my vocabulary is much more advanced than: Bush good, democrats bad!! Ugh!!!

By Midori

February 27, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

One for the road: you’re kicking their butts left and right here. I haven’t laughed this much in weeks!!! And their lame come backs!!! This is priceless!!!!

You are soooooo cool!!!!

And they are HATING it!!!!

ROFL!!!!!!!

By Midori

February 27, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

OFTR: If you’ll note, they can’t think or respond on their own. RW needs his cheerleaders by his side.

I wonder if they wipe his as* after he does number 2 as well.

One on the right cheek and one on the left.

I can just picture it.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

RE -

You left out the part where I said that we didn’t all agree, but the ideas are there. Where’s yours? Still waiting…

OFTR,

More sources of inspiration for you no doubt:

inside the mind of a LIVING beat poet

Midori,

Read up! Bad poetry from the DEAD Kerouac, and bad ideas from Lawrence Ferlinghetti.

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Midori-

I look at Mike L’s ‘toon everyday and SKIM the responses so the addicts of the wing-nut-job party are not new to me, but slaying the character of Kris was just inappropriate and needed to be pointed out as such. I said “No, YOU’RE the tool” and became… a BEATNIK?! Riiiiiiiiight. That’s a uh….. spec-tac-u-lar argument ya’ll got there!

Thanks again. I only bother to debate… well point out their obvious FLAWS since they have no debating ability (as per RW and Danish’s responses)… when they attack people ruthlessly and so cheaply.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Well Midori,

Dig it. I’m not angry in the least! I find this whole exercise incredibly entertaining. I love mysteries, and I figured out who the dead poet was trying to be. That’s more than you can say for your sorry self. EVER.

I’m happy to take you and others on a trip back in time to The Beat Generation, and I welcome any opportunity for a little poetry exchange.

By kimberly

February 27, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

ROFL Midori! Hahahaha! Too much fun today!

By Beth Kroger

February 27, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Mike - Your cartoon today (Bush on a cargo ship) was beyond brilliant. I noticed this cartoon also made it into Newsweek. Your comic insightfulness is incredible, and it is beyond my comprehension how you can come up with a different creative cartoon every day. Of course, the Bush administration is quite obliging in giving you a steady supply of material to lampoon! Every day when I open the AJC, I turn first to your cartoon so that I can laugh before I cry. Keep up the great work.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

OFTR,

Oh proud defender of Kris, if you really knew what was going on you would know that he/she started in the other day slandering and smearing every conservative here, or anywhere else for that matter.

So it’s not like your little child was being unfairly persecuted.

I’m out, you and Midori can continue your lovefest without me. Midori, Buff is going to be awfully jealous.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

OFTR -

You are not a poet, you are a whiner. Or should I say a “Howl-er”.

Kris deserved what he got when he screwed up with Dexter. I gave him an opportunity to correct himself when I asked him to clarify what he had said, but he jumped right back in, tried to toss a snooty comment my way, and proceeded to paint himself into a corner.

You can come to his defense, but I don’t know that he needs any more fools on his side.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Danish: Although I’m not sure they know it, the pinkos are sharing their ideas with us. When a Conservative comes up with something, they will call him a faux patriot and then declare themselves better than him and everyone else. See Algore, Howard Dean, Hillary, etc, etc.

When the Con ignores their non participation and drives on to finding solutions, the libs will put phase 2 into operation. This involves either shouting down the argument, hijacking the debate by claiming moral authority (I’m a war hero! You’re a scumbag!) or by reinforcing a fellow pinkos nonsense (you really showed those pigs! You’re so jam up!)

No where in any of this will you find any fresh unused ideas. It’s pointless to even expect any from them.

By Jenn

February 27, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Midori, Maybe they just don’t want to engage in stupid conversation…..

By RE

February 27, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Actually the whole Iraq war was a fresh new idea. Congrats to W. His bold innovative thinking in the face of years of tradition blazed new trails for US foriegn policy. Pre-emptive war, new idea. He was bold enough to ignore all those state department experts who said that Iraq would devolve into a civil war and be a recruiting tool for terrorists.

Bold action, new ideas, George W Bush.

Hey, how did that whole pre-emptive war turn out anyway?

By Poetry Analysis

February 27, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Having difficulty understanding the inner meaning of poems from a Really Bad Dead Poet wannabe? Don’t fret - It’s clear as a bell:

BLAH?

$$$$$$$ r a i s e t a x e s$ BLAH………?? &&&&&&&&&&&&& l i a r &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& BLAH!* poor Kris WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

By Midori

February 27, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

you see, RW, what we have here is a failure to communicate. you’re just a cheerleading moron. wake the heck up.

By Poetry Analysis

February 27, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Andy -

What they really don’t understand is how entertaining I find them. Like watching slapstick comedy, where the actors keep falling on their faces.

By One for the road

February 27, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Oh, RW… you pathetic and petty man. So Kris, (who SAID he’s a he, try to get it right) said mean things about conservatives. So that means OPEN SEASON on Kris huh? Where’s your blind defense of all that is war/troops/Bush related? OH OH OH! Got it, FOR the war (Soldier or not) = good guy. Against the war (SOLDIER or not) = commie, socialist, dem, pinko, pervert… am I missing any there Andy?

You people just think that patriotism means blind accord WITH the republican party. THINK long and hard about that. Dissent is what YOU were doing 7 years ago AGAINST Clinton. We were all there. Heard it then, STILL freakin’ hear about it today! Dissent is the ability to DISAGREE with the party in charge. THAT INCLUDES THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. If we couldn’t say that we thought the “war on terror” or “Gulf II” or WHATEVER you are calling this FAUX and ludicrous war today, was RIDICULOUS and ASININE and we should LEAVE while some troops are still alive, then we wouldn’t be AMERICA you MORONS. We would be Communist Russia! Or Nazi Germany! Or Mussolini’s Italy! WHATEVER! “There should be no dissent in a time of warâ€?!!! What the h* is THAT?!? What good could that POSSIBLY serve? We are AMERICANS because we HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE!!! We have rights and we have abilities and for ONE PARTY…and you know who you are… to say that ANYONE should be silent and keep their opinions to themselves??? *SHAME ON YOU. You wave that flag and you say you support the troops?!? Well you sure as h** don’t support freedom of speech you slimy cretins. What are they over there defending then HUH? Pathetic. All of you wing nuts. Utterly despicable.

I’m out. PEACE. and other beatnik rhetoric.

By dubya

February 27, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

So here we are again. We have destroyed the Village in order to save the Village. And killed a lot of villagers in the process. Who never asked to be “saved.” Now they get to rebuild our destruction. “Heroes.” I puke. There are no “heroes” in Iraq. Just GI’s doing their jobs. Audie Murphy was a “hero.” And others. John McCain. The guy who jumped from his car into a frozen NYC river to save a young lady from the Air Florida flight while 100 firemen stood by spinelessly watching. He was a “hero.” The last 3 generations, the “Worst Generations” in history, find Kobe Bryant & other brainless athletes to be “heroes” as well. And these same nitwits speak of “victory” and “freedom” and “democracy” in Iraq & elsewhere. How is it possible to be so stupid?? Easy. Grow up in front of video games and sports stipidity. They never have to engage their brains from earliest childhood. They never develop into anything but failures which fill them w hatred and bitterness and propel them into worshiping something like a Bush or a Rove. stood by

By Midori

February 27, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

I’m out, you and Midori can continue your lovefest without me. Midori, Buff is going to be awfully jealous.

nooooooooo. where’s my Buff????!!!

And Jenn: you’ve lost me sweetheart. Nancy Reagan says, “just say no”. Learn it. Live it. Accept it.

What were you saying about “stupid” conversations?

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

That’s right, I analyze poetry too!

By Midori

February 27, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

I look at Mike L’s ‘toon everyday and SKIM the responses so the addicts of the wing-nut-job party are not new to me, but slaying the character of Kris was just inappropriate and needed to be pointed out as such. I said “No, YOU’RE the tool� and became… a BEATNIK?! Riiiiiiiiight. That’s a uh….. spec-tac-u-lar argument ya’ll got there!

That’s what they do best, unfortunately.

I call it “Swift blogging”.

That’s all they have.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so pitiful.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

RE -

It’s not over yet. Your Ideas?

By Midori

February 27, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Hi, Kimberly!!!

:)

By Kris Sauriol

February 27, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

RW and other Republicans who asked,

Here is one idea:

Terrorists such as UBL and other such organizations hate us not because of our freedom (which is just ridiculous to suggest) but because of our involvement in the affairs of middle eastern countries and our blind support of Israel. Our invasion of Iraq was like giving them a Christmas present for their cause.

To win the war on terrorism, in conjunction with fighting Al Qaeda, we need to stop doing things that keep young, uneducated, unemployed muslims from making the U.S.A. the face of their anger and hatred.

First we should start at home, the President should announce a program to get America off our dependence of fossil fuels. I have heard the phrase Apollo program for renewable energy tossed around, whatever you call it, something to inspire Americans to get off foreign oil. Just talking about it as Bush does, while not increasing funding for these programs is not going to cut it. Our dependence on foreign oil is a National problem that has National Security at it’s heart, it deserves federal funding just as much as any Department of Defense program deserves funding. We can get at least some of this funding by raising the gas tax, and levying a tax on SUV’s. I don’t just think it is a good idea to do this because I enjoy breathing clean air and because I believe global warming is at least in part caused by humans, I think we need to invest money in this because if we could get off foreign oil, we wouldn’t need to meddle around in the affairs of middle eastern countries. Not to mention the High-tech and engineering jobs that such a program would open up for Americans.

Second I think it’s time we as Americans treated the Palestinians fairly. Yes, some of them are terrorists, but what would you good Republicans do if you had a piece of land, had it taken from you and given to your arch enemy, then you were forced to live on small plots of land (reservtions if you will) or refugee camps, given no way to representation locally or internationally and oh by the way you don’t have a job and your leaders can’t build schools to educate you because nobody else has much work and there isn’t any tax money to create schools….you would be p** off… now I am not justifying terrorism, but really it’s a poor man’s way of fighting back and without the abilit to raise an army it’s their only way to fight back. So how can we fix this, tell the Israeli Govt. that if they don’t stop their citizens from building settlements on Palestinian land and kick Israeli citizens who have built homes off palestinain land then we will stop giving them aid…I hope y’all know that the U.S. gives more aid money to Israel than any other country in the world. We need to get tough with Israel, and by being a fair broker we will really help our image in the region and will take away a rallying call for many terrorist recuiters.

The next thing I would do is increase development aid to the non-oil rich middle eastern countries so that they can develop infrastructure and the means to establish an ecomony. There needs to be some oversight, the money must be spent on infrastructure not weapons or palaces. There is precedence for this, if you recall we did it with Japan and Europe after WWII and as a result we have strong allies and trading partners. And if you think about it we are doing it in Iraq now. Why not spend the money before you have to go in and bomb the place.

The U.S. gives less than 1/2 of 1% of our GDP in the form of development aid, that is by far the least of any developed country.

Would this end terrorism today or even next year…no, but at least it would be something other than what Bush tell’s us he is going to do…round ‘em up, smoke ‘em out and stay the course. Terrorism will always exist, it has since the beginning of civilization we can’t ever defeat it completely, but we can at least marginalize it. What we are doing now is only making it worse, our policies just create more enemies. So that is my idea for chagning our strtegy to win the war on terrorism. I am sure this makes me a Pinko in your eyes because it’s not Bush’s idea, but I really don’t care. Something has to give, this war we are fighting is not working.

How can you win a war when you can’t even define what a victory is? It’s not like the terrorist leaders will surrender like the Japanese did after WWII, it’s an ideology and you can only defeat an ideology by defeating it in the market place of ideas not by killing those who believe it, that just makes it worse.

I look forward to any and all bashing that will follow.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Midori -

It’s so much sweeter when we have “people” like “Dubya” give us this:

There are no “heroes� in Iraq. Just GI’s doing their jobs

The word “Scum” comes to mind in a real stream-of-consciousness way so forgive me I can’t help it.

By the way scum, if you’re going to allude to other people being “stupid” it helps not to use the word “stipid”.

By Jenn

February 27, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Midori, I was referring to your 3:24 post…

By Spike

February 27, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

MIDORI, et al: keep it coming. These freaks are never any competition for you. The RW’s, Homo Andy, Buff, Danish, Jay, Zell, Semper Flunk, so many more. They’re all just very tiny people filled with defeat and rejection. At home, on the job, everywhere. They find solace & companionship in the company of like minded social dropouts and psychopaths. Angry, ugly people never engage with pleasant, normal life forms. They are always, always drawn to each other like magnets and enjoy life in one big barrel of their own human excrement. You can NEVER lose a debate w any of these freaks if you get them face-to-face. Always remember: these gutless goons from these generations have always thrived strictly on “THE WRONG STUFF.” Every day in every way they must try to convince others, but especially THEMSELVES, of their masculinity. It doesn’t “work” because it isn’t there. Women and children and dogs suffer from these needy nerds every day throughout our “democratic” society.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Kris -

Anti-Semitism reveals itself in mysterious ways, masquerading as “ideas” and blinds idiots like you to the fact that UBL wants to kill you AND us, and has wanted to do so way before George Bush took office. YOU may take responsibility for the evil that is Islamofascism, which is helped by the Lefts’ coddling and appeasement of evil.

Include ME out.

I hope that you are prepared to apologize to Boortz for claiming that you listen to him “one hour a week”. He doesn’t need fans like you.

By RE

February 27, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

BD, I wish I had some ideas about a great way to clean up Bush’s mistake, but as of now, I don’t think there are a whole lot of options. We have alienated just about every country so international support is out, this would at least bring a shade of legitimacy to the action. “let them stand up so we can stand down” is a nice idea, but after two years of training, we now have 0, yes ZERO units able to operate independently of US forces. I really hope we make them turn in thier weapons and vehicles when they go home at night, if not we are just arming them for the civil war. The best option would be for some regional support for this, but that might just broaden the war. If the Saudi’s got involved, then Iran would step up in support of the Shia. Turkey has a very bad history with the Kurds, and most others for that matter.

You tell me BD, what is your idea

By Midori

February 27, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

ah, Buy Danish: the idiot’s idiot. The moron’s moron. The buffoon’s buffoon.

I’m designing a special crown, just for you.

I’ll bet I know what you do with all of those Danishes.

ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!

Is that why you have scum on the mind?

Did you add an extra consonant?

Hey!!! I’ve got an idea!!!! Ditch the pastries and use the crown!!!

By Midori

February 27, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

gee,

thanks Spike. :)

By kimberly

February 27, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Kris, you rock! The sandbox bullies kick sand in your face because you won’t affirm their Bush love. Blind allegiance to their “guy” eclipses any allegiance they once had to America, the American people, or the principles upon which our nation [allegedly] stands. They’d rather eat their own young than admit that they’ve been misled or misinformed.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

RE: Right at this moment the preemptive war in Iraq (Asia) is in the stage where the newly liberated citizenry is forming a freely elected government, one that is particularly suited for the touchy compromises of the Muslim Faith and democracy. There are several different ethnic factions participating in this process, so it is time consuming but, considering the United States government wasn’t stabilized for nearly 30 years, it is moving along very nicely.

The “insurgency” in Iraq (Asia) is made up of mostly foreign fighters allied to Al Qaeda, with their main goal of enslaving the region in sharia law either by the mass killing of “apostates” as an example or by trying to incite a civil war between Shiite and Sunni. The foreigners have been largely unsuccessful, never mind that the US army has slaughtered tens of thousands of these killers, now the Iraqi citizens are turning against them, as shown by recent executions and police actions targeting them. These murderers of the innocent, Al Qaeda, will not last another year in the sunshine, they will be relegated to cave dwelling with their “leader” Bin Laden.

The biggest challenge to seeing this venture through to a successful conclusion, a conclusion that guarantees freedom to 25 million people in Iraq and possibly to the entire Middle East in due time, is subduing the hysterical panties in a wad pampered selfish pinko liberals in America. They will surrender this worthy crusade, this righteous cause, in a Minnesota minute, consigning millions to religious oppression and mass murder.

Other than that, it has gone rather well, a lot better then the ten thousand that were supposed to die trying to take Baghdad, like the pinkos were wrong about, as usual.

By Midori

February 27, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Jenn, Jenn, Jenn

Have one on me

hic

By Bill

February 27, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

You’re deeply over your head as usual, DANISH. And you damned sure aren’t “Danish.” We wouldn’t tolerate you. Don’t try to compete. You are indeed the lowest form of scum. And never know how to react or respond. Yoy’re oh so lucky that hands can’t yet come thru your tiny screen and grasp your neck and do you. The world would be a cleaner place. Stay in your place, White Trash.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

RE -

I don’t think it’s a mistake. I’m not interested in debating you. I want your ideas for America.

By Spike

February 27, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

MIDORI: You are a very fine humam being. Pay no attention to the insects herein who constantly try to rap you. That’s what their kind of “men” do. Without exception, they are cowards, useless, and the embarrassment of a nation.

By RE

February 27, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Andy, I do not think even Bush himself paints that rosy a picture.

” The “insurgencyâ€? in Iraq (Asia) is made up of mostly foreign fighters allied to Al Qaeda”

From the CS monitor “The US and Iraqi governments have vastly overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, and most of them don’t come from Saudi Arabia, according to a new report from the Washington-based Center for Strategic International Studies (CSIS). According to a piece in The Guardian, this means the US and Iraq “feed the myth” that foreign fighters are the backbone of the insurgency. While the foreign fighters may stoke the insurgency flames, they make up only about 4 to 10 percent of the estimated 30,000 insurgents”

At least you got the continent right this time

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Bill -

That’s fine - You just go ahead and take “Dubyas” side. You know, the one who says that there are no heroes in Iraq. Midori’s on your team too. Rah Rah.

By Osama Bin Laden

February 27, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

A ha ha ha ha. Thank you, Republicans for spreading the fear at home and increasing my power by keeping soldiers in Iraq. Thanks for the recruits and for buying into the UAE. You are my bestest friends!

By Kris

February 27, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I say we should reduce aid to Israel to make them stop builiding homes on Palestinian land and that means I am Anti-semitic….what are you talking about?

Tell me how that is anti-semitic? I guess that is just your way of dismissing an idea, you just call the person a horrible name and expect your declaration to trump any idea that person could have.

What’s your idea to fight terrorism, duhhh stay the course….duhhhh what’s the latest republican talking point…duhhhh better tune in to Hannity…duhhhhh studid liberal….duhhhh

Oh and for the record I never said anything about letting UBL go, in fact I prefaced my argument with “in Conjunction with fighting Al Qaeda”…you just don’t get it do you…my whole post was about things we can do now to stop future terrorists…Are you than dense?

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

Hey, this poetry thing is fun. Let us play more kid games and show how clever we are.Yes Yes

Liberal ideas 000000000

Liberal war support 0000000000

Liberal troop support 00000000000

Liberal political cartoons 000000000

Liberal name caling ++++++++++++

Now isn’t that euphonious, serendipitous and Shakespearean! Will couldn’t do it any better, if I do say so.

By Scooter

February 27, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

“Saddam’s primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted, while maintaining the security of the Regime. He sought to balance the need to cooperate with UN inspections—to gain support for lifting sanctions—with his intention to preserve Iraq’s intellectual capital for WMD with a minimum of foreign intrusiveness and loss of face. Indeed, this remained the goal to the end of the Regime, as the starting of any WMD program, conspicuous or otherwise, risked undoing the progress achieved in eroding sanctions and jeopardizing a political end to the embargo and international monitoring.”

The introduction of the Oil-For-Food program (OFF) in late 1996 was a key turning point for the Regime. OFF rescued Baghdad’s economy from a terminal decline created by sanctions. The Regime quickly came to see that OFF could be corrupted to acquire foreign exchange both to further undermine sanctions and to provide the means to enhance dual-use infrastructure and potential WMD-related development.

Just trying to be a blind follower here?

By Kris

February 27, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Andy,

How about meeting up for coffee…I could even bring some of my fellow veteran friends along and you can tell us to our faces how we are pinko communists. You can tell us how we are all terrorist loving UBL sympathsizers and how our service didn’t count because we don’t support your boy dubya. Now I know you don’t have the courage to go fight in a war that you would send me off to fight in, but you can at least have the courage to say to my face what you say in these blogs about me…right? That’s the least you can do…

Come on buddy, show your support for veterans and meet up with me.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Dusty -

I just heard “strategist” Roger Stone say that AL GORE is ready for a comeback! That’s right, he’s going to run to the left of Hillary, and the new, softer, more affable Al Gore is just waiting to make an appearance. They have found their Dream Man!

Oh GOODY! I cannot wait to see this!

BTW, How did that new outfit work out for you?

By RE

February 27, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

Sure BD, some ideas for the US:

Flat Tax, no exceptions for capital gains, home owner deductions, child credit…etc. Each one taken seperately is a good and valid idea, but put them all together, you have an over complicated mess full of loopholes

Campaign Finance, Money does not equal free speach. Never did, never will. If I happened to give a young lady $100 then she happened to perform a “service” for me, I am sure no court would accept the arguement that we were just talking politics. Same goes with all financial contributions. Yes this applies to corporations and labor unions as well. Also I would revoke the tax exempt status for any church that participates or provides forum for a candidate, no GOP in the Baptist churches, no Dems in the AME Zion churches, or they lose that tax exempt status.

Corruption, I would give the GAO or some other non elected non partisan authority to conduct investiagtions into any and all corruption charges against a politician, as it is there is clear conflict of interest in having the Justice department (part of the executive branch) investigate possible corruption in the executive branch.

Institute balanced budgets, there are always extrodinary circumstances where we have to exceed the budget, but it is now commonplace to have year after year of debt. Also I would exclude earmarked projects from any budget, as well as non related issues into spending bills. It would be great to have the line item veto back again. That would put the onus back on the executive to check congress.

What do you have

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

KRIS -

“Palestinian” land? You know, they have been given about 15 chances to have their own Palestinian state since around 1937 and have rejected every GENEROUS offer every single time. Why? Because they refuse to recognize Israel and want to destroy it.

Sound familiar?

By Andy

February 27, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

RE: Why do I have to go find your bogus sources? Do you not know how to link to the Christian Science Monitor site?

You say ZERO (your CAPS) Iraqi units are freely operating on their own, that’s a bald faced lie: The Iraqi army’s 5th Brigade, 6th Division formally assumed responsibility for security of parts of central and Southern Baghdad after a transfer ceremony on Monday, the American Forces Press Service reported this week. The transfer means that nearly 60 percent of Baghdad is now officially guarded by Iraqi forces.

Previously, the U.S. Army’s 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, handled security in the new 5th Brigade regions, which include the International Zone and the Karradah Peninsula. U.S. officials say the Iraqi brigade had been mostly operating independently in recent months. The ceremony made that fact official.

See, I’m not scared to link to my sources.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

Kris: Where at?

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Re -

Fair tax, not flat tax.

Money does equal speech.

Investigage “Corruption”? That’s a winner. not.

No balance budget demands - we are at war.

By Kris

February 27, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Well, I live and work in Buckhead. You name the place.

By Scott

February 27, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Anyone see ANDY preaching here on 02/25/06 @ 6:04 PM?? Filtering his hatred thru Jesuss. Don’t miss it! Another reminder revelation of the depth to which the Bush Jihadists will burrow. Pitiful, just pitiful.

By RE

February 27, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Andy From the WAPO

The number of Iraqi army battalions that can fight insurgents without U.S. and coalition help has dropped from three to one, top U.S. generals told Congress yesterday, adding that the security situation in Iraq is too uncertain to predict large-scale American troop withdrawals anytime soon.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Kris: Your the one running your mouth, why do I have to do the work? Do you have health insurance?

By RE

February 27, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

BD,

no ideas, just complaints. You are what you abhor

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

AL GORE is ready for a COMEBACK??? Uh oh. I guess we will have to go from poetry to the COMEDY HOUR here. Will there also be a newer, softer Hilary? Yeah,I know. Don’t expect miracles.

Woo, my new outfit was a “killer”. The minister rolled his eyes and said he’d pray for me. Well, not really. But drat! I’ve spent all my birthday gift cards. Bummer.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

RE: You are playing pinko word games with me, I don’t have time. You may not realize this but the United States Army 3rd Infantry Division also needs some occasional support. How many Iraqi AC-130 gunships or F-117 bombers do you think there are?

By Kris

February 27, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Yes, they have been given a number of chances, but instead of examining why they have always failed you just make it seem like it is all their fault. The truth is both sides have not played fair and the only side we ever punish is the Palestinians.

When peace talks start up, the lure of the Palestinian state is always dangled in front of the palestinian people like a carrot, just as long as they meet certain (almost impossible) objectives. While the Israelis’s never have to do anything.

So then news reports come out that a Palestinian has bombed an Israeli checkpoint or a bus or something, when what you don’t hear is how the Israeli citizens are building or are continuing to build settlements on Palestinain land. The Israelis’s are taking their land from them, if you are not entitled to fight for your land than what can you fight for? You have to understand at least that. Yes, blowing up a bus full of innocent people is terrorism, but what are they going to do…they can’t build up a military. And you assume that the Palestinian leadership has full control over all the palestinian people, when considering how far apart they are spread and the lack of resources the leaderhip has it is an impossible task. So then peace talks are off and we punish the Palestinians and nothing happens to the Israelis as they keep on building the settlements.

It’s a viscious cycle and we can stop it, and many muslim’s believe that as well, our failure to do so makes us look one-sided in our supoport for Israel and serves as a great recruitment tool for the terrorists.

How is it that anything I have said goes against Conservative values. Maybe the religious wacko’s might have a problem with it, but not the business minded conservatives. If I am wrong tell me, but please knock off the name calling, can we at least exhibit some civilty.

By Kris

February 27, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Fine, meet me at the Caribou Coffee off Peachtree Street in Buckhead near the intersection of Peachtree and Piedmont Saturday at 11 am.

By RE

February 27, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Andy, it is the generals playing word games, I guess they are the “pinkos”

check out Neil Bush, what a guy

By Andy

February 27, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Four people were killed Monday when several shells exploded near the Nasir Market in the mostly Shiite Shula area of western Baghdad, police said.

Otherwise, the city was generally peaceful Monday — the first day without extended curfews or a ban on private vehicles since the crisis erupted, pushing the nation to the brink of civil war.

So that’s what they were upset about, the curfew.

By RE

February 27, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Kris, if you are going to meet up with Andy, make sure he emptied his colostomy bag beforehand, it can be a little disgusting

By Andy

February 27, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Kris: Peachtree and Piedmont ain’t cool, there’s too many cops in that part of town.

By Clem

February 27, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

KRIS - Andy & his ilk will never show up…at anything but a Klan meeting with hood covering face. Him a vet?? No way. Neither are any of the rest of these clowns here. Phonies every one. REAL vets never need to talk about it. They are comfortable within themselves. This B.S. began w and after Vietnam, w every little weakling crowing, “I was in NAM!!!” Utter B.S. I’ve been at it a long time, & I grab these punks every chance I get. Which is often.

By Bill

February 27, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

RE: remember the good ol days when multi-indicted-felonious Neil Bush was sent away by Daddy Bail Out Bush to Japan for years in hiding? The entire Bush Family background is filled with these kinds of adventures and has been available in books for decades. Not a pretty family. Neil’s currently in Houston, living off the family dole while “consulting” others. Hot damn but it’s so good. Too bad the Repubs never allow themselves a bit of educational history.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

You go around beating up old people RE? You know all the ins and outs? make sure he emptied his colostomy bag beforehand, it can be a little disgusting You really are a pinko, so brave and strong. RW do you have those San Francisco anti abortion rally where the punk liberals ganged up on the old folks? Maybe we can see RE little punk a-ss in there.

By candide

February 27, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

Bill: I have been telling people on this site, with no success, about the nefarious Bush family, one which in one generation got from Boston Baked Beans to Houston Pork Rinds.

Glad to see you know the truth.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 27, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

[WASHINGTON - Republican governors are openly worrying that the Bush administration’s latest stumbles — from the natural disaster of Hurricane Katrina to those of its own making on prescription drugs and ports security — are taking an election-year toll on the party back home.

The GOP governors reluctantly acknowledge that the series of gaffes threatens to undermine public confidence in President Bush’s ability to provide security, which has long been his greatest strength among voters.

“You’ve got solid conservatives coming up speaking like they haven’t before, it’s likely that something’s going on at the grass roots,” said Republican Mark Sanford of South Carolina. “Whether it’s temporary or not remains to be seen.”](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060227/apongoot/governorsgop_dismay ) My gosh! Republican Governors questioning Bush Administration policies! Will the treasonous pinko GOP stop at nothing?

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

Kris,

Since 1937, Palestinian leadership has rejected a total of fifteen attempts, by the UK, UN, US and Israel, to create a Palestinian state alongside of Israel. Instead, that leadership has chosen violence, murder, war, and terrorism in the belief that they could bring about the destruction of Israel and the creation of their Palestinian state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean sea.

I’ll get the full skinny for you as soon as I dig it out.

By candide

February 27, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

According to Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman, and other political pros, within a couple of weeks Bush will sink the Dubai deal. He cannot afford to have this problem reappear at the 06 elections.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Kris,

This is long. If you want the summary, skip down to APPENDIX: A Survey of the opportunities for creating a Palestinian state

Not enough? Here’s a whole collection from the author

Hopefully this will keep you busy for awhile as I am getting sleepy. Just do me a favor and don’t come back with any UBL propaganda.

By RE

February 27, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

LTD, I think the only ones still supporting Bush are willfully ignorant, learning impaired, or outright mentally unstable. Not all rats jump off a sinking ship, just the smarter ones

By candide

February 27, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

The GOP will be significantly repudiated in the fall elections. It will not be a total disaster for them because there are always enough Americans — Protestant nutcases, rich seniors, bigots and Fascists, pro-life hypocrites — to vote Republican no matter what. But the Democrats will do well.

By RE

February 27, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Back to the Neil Bush story, does anyone remember when politicians had the common decency to at least try to hide nepotism and corruption? This guy gets a deal to run the computers for the no child left behind in….Florida and Texas.

Come on, it is not a conspiracy theory, it is right there.

By Daniel

February 27, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

Clem: I couldn’t have said it better. Phonies one and all.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

LTD -

You know, we don’t have a problem with people who question the administration in a respectful and reasonable way, when it is perfectly clear that they actually have the best interests of the U.S. at heart. There are differing views on the UAE deal, but we are not calling those who disagree with us on the Republican side names. We are wary of the Dems motives, and reasonably so.

BUT, when we hear “Bush Lied while soldiers died”, when we have Candide suggesting that soldiers shoot their officers and put Bush in front of a firing squad, when we have “Dubya” offering the opinion that “there are no heroes in Iraq” and Bilious Bill and Midori jump in and cheer, you’re right - we may just possibly think that these people are Leftists who hate America.

Can you see the difference? Probably not.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

Candide -

Hasn’t the FBI been around to see you yet? Since our government is run by fascists and you have been making seditious comments, surely you have had a knock on your door by now.

By Mad As Zell

February 27, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

Hey pro-Manchurian Candide: Don’t count the GOP out completely, because of wack-jobs like you who cheer for our troops to fail at their mission, get mad and shoot their superiors. With left-wing nuts like you picking the bill, the GOP will always have solid support from a majority of clear-thinking American people who are not heavily under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

The Army has decided to reimburse a Halliburton subsidiary all but $9 million of $222 million in costs that Pentagon auditors questioned for oil industry work in Iraq, Army officials said Monday……Rep. Henry A. Waxman, D-Calif., the top Democrat on the House Committee on Government Reform, called the Army’s decision “an insult to taxpayers.” In a letter to Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., the chairman of that committee, Waxman said that typically, the military withholds payment on 55 percent to 75 percent of the costs that Pentagon auditors challenge. In this case, the Army will withhold payment on only 4 percent of the contested charges.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

does anyone remember when politicians had the common decency to at least try to hide nepotism and corruption?

RE -

I don’t know why it is, but when I think of nepotism and cronyism, my mind immediately zips back in time to The Clintons.

And you know, both George Bushs’ could have retired to a nice beach or golf course somewhere long ago, but they had this silly idea that they wanted to be public servants. Dittoes for Cheney.

Unlike Bill and Hill, the Bushs’ already had money and didn’t need the White House to grow their stash.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 27, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

I just know I’m going to regret this, but, I look at it the same as those who go on about hating the sin … loving the sinner. Some in this nation love the country … hate the bunglers.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Calif. Stem Cell Agency Fights for Life

ML missed what I think may be one of the President’s most grevious of errors, closing federal funding for stem cell research. Most conservatives think that this industry needs tons of human embryos in order to sustain it. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The industry only needs rare infusions of new lines that could easily be supplied through using only those aborted fetuses terminated in order to save a mother’s life. This is because those small germs of life are then replicated trillions and trillions of time; very little original germ plasm is ever needed.

What happens to these aborted fetuses, otherwise? They are thrown away! When they could have been used to save a baby’s heart that might otherwise not make it up the transplant list, or they might make a crippled child walk again, or cure their terminal cystuc fibrosis. These are very real demonstrated results in mouse models. When you see that mouse walk who only a few weeks before had totally paralyzed hind legs, you can’t help but think of all the children that the President has denied a new or better chance at life!

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Is this what you wanted?. Most of the confrontation is near the end of page and on page 2. My favorite is page 3, it really gives a nice contrast.

Kris,

I saw that you gave “one idea” up ^ ^ there and addressed it to me. If I ever find time to read the manifesto that surrounds that idea I’ll get back to you.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

Violence Subsides Across Iraq- A mortar attack kills 10, but overall the fighting lets up. Arrests are made in mosque bombing.

Authorities have arrested 10 people in connection with the bombing of Samarra’s Golden Mosque, national security advisor Mowaffak Rubaie said in an interview with CNN. Rubaie, who accused followers of Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab Zarqawi of carrying out the attack, said four of the suspects were guards at the shrine. Six were outsiders who recently moved into rented flats in Samarra.

HA-HA, there never was a “civil war.” It was a reaction to an Al Qaeda provocation. Back to the Bush plan: Victory.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

David U -

Since Chucky Schumer thinks that Halliburton should take over the port deal, and since they don’t have too many competitors who can do what they do in places like Iraq, it wouldn’t make much sense to bankrupt them now would it?

Unless you name is Henry Waxman and you don’t care about Iraq or the ports, and only care about getting power back to the Dems.

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

Rick Barton, co-director of the postconflict reconstruction project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said despite the difficulties of doing business in a war zone, the low rate of recovery on such huge and widely disputed charges was hard to understand. “To think that it’s near zero is ridiculous when you’re talking these kinds of numbers,” he said.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

Without debating the merits of stem cell research, do you realize that President Bush is the first President to allow any Federal funds for it? It’s a little absurd to claim that he shut off the funding.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

RW: Are you sure you gave the right link?

By hterrya

February 27, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

Daniel:

Andy, et. al., are not only phonies, but a very small number of phonies (10.79% of the total respondents) - all sycophants of the current president, involved in an intimate circle jerk of hate for Mike Luckovich and his cartoons.

It is nice that the small, insignificant group is so infantile, otherwise there would be sperm spots on the carpet. {:-)

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

In their opportunistic opposition to the Dubai Ports World takeover of commercial container operations at six major U.S. ports, Democrats aren’t just reversing themselves on so-called “racial profiling” but on their phony condemnation of President Bush for allegedly shattering our alliances in the War on Terror.

Since 9/11, Democrats have railed against any hint of profiling, even for national security reasons. Liberal political correctness is the intangible, misguided moralistic force that has demanded that airport baggage checkers scrutinize blue-haired Caucasian ladies as readily as, if not more so than, young Middle Eastern male adults. Yet, there’s no other conceivable explanation for their objection to the alleged transfer of “foreign control” over these ports than that the transferee company is Arab.

The Democrats’ opposition, as distinguished from the differently motivated opposition from some on the right, has also demonstrated their wholesale hypocrisy in having castigated President Bush for all these years for his supposedly ham-handed approach to international diplomacy and turning otherwise peaceful Muslims into homicidal terrorists. So, in one fell swoop, they’ve done an about-face on their positions on both profiling and alienating our allies in the War on Terror.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I’m not sure what you wanted. That’s the only one I know of that dealt with an anti-abortion march in San Francisco. Go back to Zombie’s home page and see if it was the “World Can’t Wait” rally. In any case the only photo essays I have linked to from the Bay area are on Zombietime.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Sorry RW perhaps “denied additional” funding for stem cell reasearch thereby crippling the industry and tens of thousands of children” would be more palitable? Is there any real practical difference? Kids still don’t get to walk again!

By Drain-o

February 27, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Mad as Zell voting for W and bad shot dick is not clear thinking . You must to have had 150 proof or some meth. what has these lying pink-loco rusted right-wing nut did for america but -uck our eye out. . they hood wink a lot of people . they are finding his lying a$$ out now. a lot of good men died on a lie. we find out a back room deal ever day from energy to ports . all of his fat cat friend are getting paid -o yea W is saving us from terror. all hat and no cattle. clueless a-hole and a brain washer.

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

BD - Schumer suggested Halliburton as an alternative to the UAE and only IF they “can do the best job and they get the contract on the merits,” as suppose to the no-bid contracts they got in Iraq that tax payers are paying them for.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Here it is. Scroll down the page a bit, you will see some black clad punks covering their faces before they go off rampaging on some old people. I’m sure RE is a part of this crowd, he’s giving them advice on what to do about colostomy bags and walkers and such.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Sorry about that. I see where the confusion came from now. That other story is pretty funny though, considering it was her drug test. I hope this doesn’t double post, my apologies in advance if it does.

AntiRadical,

Does every single thing you think of have to be done by government? I know my ancestors wouldn’t be too happy with you. As for that insipid little comment about me wanting kids to remain crippled because I don’t share your views, f*** you!

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

Anti-R,

This is because those small germs of life are then replicated trillions and trillions of time; very little original germ plasm is ever needed

Are these your words or some “expert’s”?

I don’t know that I’ve heard the word “germ” used before, but hey I could be what do I know?. And if these germs are replicated “trillions and trillions of times”, now many do you need? And, this is really tough to bring up, but what if the germ was delivered at 9 months to ‘save the life of the mother’ and then used for research?

I hate to delve too deeply into this particular subject, but am curious about the germs of your ideas.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

David U -

Tell me, who are they going to bid against? American companies only need apply.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

Furthermore, a***** show me the bill that Bush vetoed that kept these children from walking. You worthless POS.

By Midori

February 27, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

wonder who these losers in the 34% range are?

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

BD - Are you talking about the ports or Iraq?

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

AR,

That should have read “I could be wrong…

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

Imagine that, lie about the details of a deal and run out and do a poll that shows people are opposed to it.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

Drain-O -

I’m on a roll today, so I’m going to make a wild guess and say that you might just be from the Ghett-O. You won’t fess up to being from any other country outside of the U.S., so this is my final guess as to why you are so incredibly inarticulate.

I guess you went to school before No Child Left Behind was implemented. How unfortunate. It’s not too late to learn some English, but you may have to give up blogging so you can concentrate on your studies.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

David U -

The Ports.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 07:34 PM | Link to this

I know the last time it counted there were 51% of us, thank you.

By Mad As Zell

February 27, 2006 07:40 PM | Link to this

Sorry that I’ve been away for so long, but I’ve been busy with what I thought would be some tough legal charges. I had another run-in with the venerable (or venereal, as in the hypocritical scum-of-the-earth venereal disease that he is) Reverend Fred Phelps of Topeka, Kansas’ Westboro Baptist Church. There was an article about Rev. Barnes and his loyal followers in Friday’s U.S.A. Today paper. Rev. Fred and his band of cowardly “Deliverance”-style inbred congregationers love to hold anti-gay protests at the funerals of U.S. Soldiers and terrorize the mourning family and friends of these soldiers with signs like “Thank God for IEDs” and “God Hates F*g Enablers”.

Well, lets just say that one day the venereal Rev. Fred and his bigoted band of inbred punk sissy cowards were picketing outside a funeral and I decided to run my truck through their nice little play group of treasonous ingrates and send them all running like the slimy little cockroaches they are (Kids, make sure that you don’t try this at home…). Anyway, I didn’t crush none of them, but I was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon. I recently went to court to face the charges, but since everybody in the town, even the judge and the prosecutor liked what I did (or tried to do) to the little ingrates I was only slapped with a $25 fine and time served.

Anyway I’m not encouraging anyone or any group to run over anti-American, anti-gay protesters who picket with hateful messages outside the funerals of U.S. Soldiers (although, I’d understand). I’m not going to put up a link to the website because even the web address to the so-called church (how those people can have the nerve to call themselves a church, I’ll never understand) because even the website address itself is vile and hateful.

If anyone out there would like to send a delightful message to the venerable Rev.? Fred Phelps and the lovely congregation at Westboro Baptist, just type in “Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, Kansas” into your internet search engine to get access to the website and street address of the so-called church and you will get, in lucid detail, a schedule of upcoming anti-gay protests at the funerals of American Soldiers and assorted hate-filled messages from cowards hiding behind the veneer of a “church”….

and a lot of you people thought I was crazy. The vitriolic, hateful, venomous stuff these idiots spout makes me, Mad As Zell, “look perfectly sane and level headed” to quote one fellow AJC blogger who shall remain nameless. I’m sure that left-wing, right-wing and moderates alike will agree that the Rev. Fred Phelps, the members of Westboro Baptist and people of their ilk are the real, absolute, treasonous, scum-of-the-earth terror-enablers.

When faced with the choice, I’d try to run over these scum-of-the-earth birdbrains again and I don’t think that I would miss next time.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: Those are my words (I am a professional), thanks for asking. Only new line material is needed; fetal tissue can be thought of like yeast in a way. It is grown endlessly in culture media in a vaguely similar fashion (ironically a sort of immortality for those selected embryos). For this reason only the smallest “kernal” or “germ” of life is needed.

The cells do age so after many generations, it is needed to introduce new cell lines. Old fetal tissue from near term abortions is actually unsuited to this purpose as it has already differentiated into end tissue and is no longer stem cell in nature. Embryonic tissue from early term abortions performed only to save a mothers life would supply many thousands of times the needs of the industry.

This is an issue that conservatives have just plain come down on the wrong side of through misunderstanding the needs of the technology.

By Midori

February 27, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

bwahahahahahahahahaha

I know the last time it counted there were 51% of us, thank you.

someone has “here and now” issues.

snort…..chuckle…….guffaw……

Imagine that, lie about the details of a deal and run out and do a poll that shows people are opposed to it.

methinks someone needs rehab.

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

BD -Well then open up the bidding process to see who else applies for the contract. I never said make it a US only bidding process though.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

RW- If you aren’t open-minded or aware enough to realize that the President (quite proudly) denied further federal funding for stem cell reserach then you are much further gone than I ever realized. I’m sorry but I think you are a lost cause. Continue to sail off the right edge of your flat world. Did you hear that it was all a liberal conspiracy and the sun REALLY moves around the Earth after all?

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

Zell - Thank you, read a story about them last week I think. I was just amazed at them, their message, basically their reason for being. I don’t agree with your adjectives rant about liberals, but on this I give full support.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

You don’t a damn thing about me or my feelings on stem cell research. So get off your holier than though soapbox you worthless, presumptive pos.

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

Zell - They even went to NY and Protested during the clean-up for 9.11

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

Anti-R,

Since you are “a professional”, what about umbilical cord stem cells? And if this research is so promising, why can’t private companies fund and develop it?

BTW, if you yourself were “open minded”, you would realize that this is a reasonable issue for people to disagree on, or at the very least be wary of. Accusing people of trying to cripple children is not the way to win reasonable people to your side.

By Daniel

February 27, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this

Midori! Your posts are a hoot. Keep up the great work.

By Pink Lady

February 27, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Give Him hell Mike. Loved the toon.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

RW: Your command of the English language is as entertaining as ever. Quite gentlemenly. How many hours a day do you practice? Thanks for giving everyone a glimpse at a radical masquerading in conservative clothing.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 08:09 PM | Link to this

Anti-R,

and what about research fraud?

The point is that, as much as you would like to turn this into a backward NASCAR fundamentalist Republicans versus enlightened progressive Democrats issue, it is far more complicated than that, and it is not necessary to be a “professional” to see that.

As this issue will probably not be resolved anytime soon, it may behoove those of you who support it to look to private sources for funding.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

Anti-R,

You are officially toast. Party’s over.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

Let me do this in terms you might understand. I didn’t say a word about wanting to stop medical advances and I certainly didn’t say anything about crippling children. That didn’t stop you from accusing me of it. These promises of instant cures that give people false hope, ala John Edwards saying that if he and Kerry were elected Christopher Reeve would get up and walk, are far more damaging to real people than anything I have said. The fact that you would use crippled children to promote your dream of the Federal Government funding every single project on the planet says far more about you than me. If these cures were so imminent, big Pharma would be all over it.

Sorry you don’t like my command of the English language, but maybe you should think twice about what you are accusing someone of. So go ahead and accuse me of something else, it’s really all you know.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 08:26 PM | Link to this

Danish: Sometimes it is neccessary to shock in order to break through the prejuduces that people have acquired through disinformation.

Private California companies are trying (see the original post link) but they are being taken to court by misguided conservative elements. Not only is there no federal support but because of the “third-rail” nature of this controversial topic there is considerable impediment from federal agencies on all fronts. Neccesary duplication of lab equipment so that no federal equipment is used on this segment of research is one example. Area sectoring and onerous reporting requirements are others.

Umbilical cord stem cells are good souces for some applications but are not “raw” enough for basalar new line generation. Embryos are needed but only very few. There is a wealth of information available on this subject. If you know another physician or biologist, they are generally good souces for informed information.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

RW: Why in the world do you think all the worlds reasearch centers are working so hard on stem cell technology, so that they can kill a few fetuses? Imbecile, we are trying to save lives. Big pharma didn’t develop nuclear energy, spaceflight, or any other technology that requirs such large expenditures of time, money, materials, etc, especially with the input of the Flat Earth Society and the threat of legal action and obstructionism to impede profits. Your ignorance abounds. The end product of your prejudice is that children cannot be helped. LOL

By Mike

February 27, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

Anti-Radical:

Well done.

Very few people have enough information to make a decision, enough desire to get information, or the courage to look past radical rhetortic.

Well done.

Now…those who are dead set against “science” should deny themselves medical care, including over-the-counter drugs, to prove their point.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this

RW/Danish: The mice do walk again. I’ve personally seen the results and the post mortems. There are some new videos that are being released into the education sector. They will show up on Nova, PBS, etc with time if they haven’t already. Seeing is believing!

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

Obviously you are too thick headed to understand what I am saying. This is the last response you will ever get from me.

One day look at what I said with an open mind, I never said a word about not doing stem cell research. So in the immortal words of our Vice-President, go f*** yourself.

By Andy

February 27, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

Cord blood has produced several well documented “cures,” fetal blood has produced the same thing the democratic party is basing all of it’s hopes on: nothing. But you pinkos get to take a life; hence your excitement.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

RW: It really isn’t a contest. I’m sorry you don’t like to think that your’s and the President’s actions are preventing treatment of grevious injury and death (especially to children) but they are. LOL

PS- You and the Vice-President will have to start without me.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

Anti-R,

Dittoes to RW, with just one last word: The “Private Companies” in California were being “Publicly funded” through a taxpayer referendum that approved the unprecedented funding.

As the Ouija board says, GOODBYE

RW,

I know you are not fond of O’Reilly, but he just had a great guest on and was completely calm and reasonable, and actually let the guest talk for a change (only once slipping in how HE had a book coming out on a similar subject).

Anyway, it was with Claire Belinsky who has written a book called “Menace in Europe.

Totally apropos to the Cartoon intifada, the threat of Islamofascism, et cetera…

Time for 24…

By Drain-o

February 27, 2006 09:05 PM | Link to this

Danish you are right me and you mama and your daddy the milkman is from ghett-o. And you must must be a hillbilly that went to school at U.G.A.. English is not your Major. ARE you a clown full time?

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

Andy: If cord blood filled the need, believe me NOBODY would want to take on THIS fight for no reason. It may surprise you to know that we have and love children as much as any of you do. It is because we CARE that we endure the ire and abuse of the misinformed masses. The life of one child will be worth it all, though, if you please let us do our job and save it.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Anti-R,

One last last word. Go to hell mofo. LOL over this issue? Ha Ha Ha. Funny like a colostomy bag. You find humor in the sickest places and can’t last 10 minutes before the real “YOU” comes through all the veneer of moderation. You can’t STAND it when we don’t fall hook line and sinker for your secular-socialist crapola and then you lash out like a snake.

Enjoy the revolution. You have one sure- fire soldier and his name is Candide.

By Midori

February 27, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this

at least Gerald Ford could walk and talk at the same time

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

O’Reilly is a strange one. On some subjects he is fabulous, like aggressive prosecution and harsh sentences for child molesters. On a lot of subjects he is very reasonable in questioning conventional wisdom, like in the ports issue.

For some reason he just grates on me most of the time.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

Andy and RW,

This “guy” gives me the creeps, big time, worse than REDRUM. “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” comes to mind. It’s all for the greater good don’t you know.

I particularly love the way they try to sucker you in, just like a child-molestor tempts a child with a lollipop or puppy dog before they pounce.

I played along for a bit because the creep did’t even get it when I said that I wondered where he got his “germ” of an idea, but now it is full decontamination time.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 09:19 PM | Link to this

Danish- The companies are non-federally funded and the state-voters that pay the tax voted the referendum in. You have a problem with how they spend their money? Much of the funding is, also, generated from private industry sources in hopes of generating a new “silicon valley” and generating a new highly profitable industry. Is that a problem? The pay-off is tremendous in terms not only of humanity but of business as well. Ironically, this research is too important to abandon and will continue in the rest of the world. Our children and our economy will just not be the primary beneficiaries.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

Drain-O,

Why don’t you and Candide and “Anti-Radical” all get together and have a good old bodysnatching party? Okay voodoo boy?

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

That’s my Danish. When you can’t argue facts it’s name-calling time. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Well, two out of three ain’t bad!

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Hello netherworld -

Humanity indeed.

Danish knows that it wasn’t FEDERALLY funded, but was to be STATE funded as the result of a referendum where you and your creepy cadres pulled the crippled children routine on a gullible public. ECHHHHHHHH.

I am SO glad that this is being challenged in court.

GOODBYE

GET LOST

TRY YOUR CRAP WITH SOMEONE ELSE

By Drain-o

February 27, 2006 09:33 PM | Link to this

Danish hurting any child is wrong .I am going to ask you agin. Are you from Iran?

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 09:33 PM | Link to this

Hello Satan,

You wouldn’t know evil if it stomped you in the face like the big boot in Orwell, and handed you a contract with Bin Laden’s army to rig a gymnasium in Chechnya.

By finch

February 27, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

RE,

You are correct. There are ZERO Iraqi military units at or above the batallion level (that’s 800 men) operating independently of American forces.

The link posted above, the one that contradicts your claim, is from an editorial in the Moonie Times (not a very reliable media outlet) dated 2/23/06.

THIS link, dated 2/24/06 is actually a news item, properly sourced, and not an editorial:

“The only Iraqi battalion capable of fighting without U.S. support has been downgraded to a level requiring them to fight with American troops backing them up, the Pentagon said Friday.”

Bottom line is that after nearly three years, the US still can’t trust the Iraqi military to do anything without a babysitter.

Just thought you’d like to know, RE….

By Objective Observer

February 27, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

Let’s look at the law that made available the source for stem cell research. Abortion!

Initially enacted to protect poor and impoverished from back alley butchers, which…

Progressed into a convenient form of birth control by all women, which…

Progressed into, “Oops, I know it’s late in the pregnancy, but I changed my mind and now I want a partial birth abortion,” which…

May have contributed to violence within our youth in that they have been given the message that their lives and the lives of others is inconsequential in our society, which…

Mayhave contributed to an increase in violent crime amongst said youth, which…

Increases the cost of incarcerating violent criminals, which…

Depletes the federal budget of funds that could have been used more productively within a moral and ethical society.

I am not opposed to stem cell research in some form; neither am I opposed to abortion for the reasons that it was initially intended. But hasty decisions bring unintended consequences. **Always factor in the human condition, before making hasty judgments in a complex world.

I could reach even further, but I’ve already missed 30 minutes of Jack Bauer, and I’m pretty sure, AntiRadical, that my post has fallen on deaf ears.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 09:39 PM | Link to this

Plain and simple fact is that I initially posted and RW/Danish attacked, I then responded. Look at the above posts and you will learn how revivionist conservative thinking works. The parts about pretending to be someone they are not is particularly enlightening as to this persons character (or lack thereof). Who attacked who? It is all in black and white above. I love it when radicals PROVE themselves to be wrong and document it at the same time.

By Objective Observer

February 27, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

In addition! In that the last 12 years of my life have been dedicated to the education of mildly to profoundly disabled children, I see great value in them just as they are!!! I would not discount anything that would make their lives better, but I also would not want to place them in a world unworthy of their value.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this

For the benefit of anyone reading that doesn’t want to track back up, here is my vicious attack:

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

Without debating the merits of stem cell research, do you realize that President Bush is the first President to allow any Federal funds for it? It’s a little absurd to claim that he shut off the funding.

That brought on the response that I wanted to deprive children the ability to walk. So if anyone chooses to look back up ^ ^ there you can easily follow that the self-defined innocent victim was really the perpetrator.

By Drain-o

February 27, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

Danish Bin Laden was on the CIA pay roll. we get in bed with any body to make some money. The send our young men off to die so company can make more money. They lie cheat steal and kill the CIA has hurt our country because the are in other doing dirt. That why they are so p** off at The U.S.A They are doing $hit they have no business doing!

By RE

February 27, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

Finch, thanks, I was looking for that story, I could not find it when I was trying to site a reference.

Zell, I don’t really care for a lot of your opinions, but if you ever need to borrow my truck if the oppertunity presents itself again, you got it

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 09:50 PM | Link to this

The United States on Monday wrapped up negotiations to eliminate tariffs and other trade barriers with Colombia, the second Andean nation to reach a free trade deal with the United States.

About time this got finished for both sides.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this

The statement was part of my initial post that I repeated when you called me “absurd”. RW you are so far gone you post your own name-calling and can’t even tell it’s name-calling!

By Drain-o

February 27, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

David u what is free trade. Lately it’s been free for the company but the worker are getting the shaft. Free trade my a$$!

By finch

February 27, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

RE,

I’ll be most happy to join you and Zell any time you’d like to educate the “Reverend” Fred Phelps and his mongrel followers. Zell, congrats for beating the rap.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 10:09 PM | Link to this

It’s a little absurd to claim that he shut off the funding.

If there are any English majors out there please help. Kimberly this might be a chance to see if you have any intellectual honesty. (I’ve already been told by the “victim” that I have no command of the English language).

In the italicized sentence would “absurd” relate to the claim or the claimant?

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Drain-o - Well just from a political stand point the US needs to befriend and tie their economies to the US, so that the socialist wave that’s going on in Latin American Countries is stopped (i.e. Bolivia and Venezuela). And any time tariffs can be dropped in a mutual agreement the better for industries doing business in either country.

By finch

February 27, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

RW,

I’m glad I missed the stem cell dustup. It’s a shame your debator(s) apparently missed a very important point you made. President Bush has not moved to ban stem cell research. There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about this.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

RW: Right RW when you name-call a person’s words or ideas you don’t name-call them. Give us a break,now you’re just being “absurd”.

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical is a professional? A professional what?

If AntiRadical is in the medical field, he is the only one I know who spends his days posting on a blog. Professionals don’t go around talking about “killing children” in the research field. Few scientific people are interested in using medicine for political propaganda. That is what AntiRadical is trying to do here.

If AntiRadical is a professional in the field of medicine, he has lost his ability to think clearly. He has become obsessed with some issues that have clouded his mind. Therefore I can give no credence to his vindicative accusations about people he does not know.

By Drain-o

February 27, 2006 10:24 PM | Link to this

David U we need trade but the worker should get more out of the deal .nafta was a joke but it’s not funny . We the worker got the shaft and the company’s made off like a fat rabbit!

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

Devil - “An extremely and malignantly wicked person”.

That just about describes he who can no longer be named. Alright, I’ll give it a name: “succubus”. Such a perfect word to describe evil incarnate.

Isn’t the English language wonderfully expressive?

RW,

I know, O’Reilly can be an incredibly arrogant and unbearable jerk, and I have thrown many a slipper at the t.v., but every once in awhile he gets a good guest on and actually lets them talk.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 10:31 PM | Link to this

Sorry Dusty: Political propaganda is a non-issue. Democrats treat the stem cell issue like it is the third rail, too. My motivation comes from the faces of the children I see at night who I could not save but might have if my collegues had been allowed to work unimpeded. You should all be ashamed.

BTW- I’m not here that much. I pop in occasionally and rarely stay this long so I bid you สวัสดี.

By RW-(the original)

February 27, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

Finch,

I appreciate the fact that you got the actual point, but I am awaiting English major verification for the obfuscated point. As we all know I am completely uneducated, one needs go no further than my “debater” for verification.

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Drain-o - You are talking about the worker here (US), right? The fact that the benefits of NAFTA have not fallen on the workers has to do with the way company structure is comprised here in the US and outside economic factors (recession, 9.11, war, dot.com bust etc), not because of the agreement. NAFTA has provided growth for all the three country’s economies which was it’s purpose. I understand if it hurt ‘you’ that you believe it was bad policy, but in my opinion it was good policy. And that’s why I also applaud this one with Colombia.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

finch -

That fact was not lost on me. I did not have a intransigent position on stem cells until it started talking. Then I got repulsed by its creepy talk and I moved towards the “no” side. I will probably not budge at this point as I have been too weirdoed out by the GOODBYE boy.

Devil boy’s manifesto.

chapter 1:

Sometimes it is neccessary to shock in order to break through the prejuduces that people have acquired through disinformation

chapter 2:

The mice will walk again

chapter 3:

The pay-off is tremendous in terms not only of humanity but of business as well

So, I guess the bottom line is that he’s in it for the money. That’s why he is a “professional”.

By Objective Observer

February 27, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

I am appalled, appalled I say that someone’s objectivity can be so easily dismissed on an issue without first asking the pertinent question which would render an opportunity to reveal one’s objectivity.

On second thought, no I’m not. Appalled that is!

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

The final chapter:

My motivation comes from the faces of the children I see at night who I could not save but might have if my collegues had been allowed to work unimpeded. You should all be ashamed.

Not fooled by succubus. I know that there are no children who you could save right now - the science has not progressed that far. By the time it does, if ever, the children will be adults, but that is not as seductive a fundraising tool.

I just wish that beezlebub would drop us a hint as to where it works so we could avoid that particular location for any and all medical needs.

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

Your own words betray you. If, at night, you are seeing the faces of children you could not save, you have become unbalanced.

Research still continues on stem cell research. It may not be as well funded as you like but it is not being ignored. At this stage, it is no magic bullet to save anybody. It well may be. But there is much more to be done, to prove how it can be successful in any way. That has to be done one step at a time and with extreme care.

I hope stem cell researchers are working with clear minds and total impartiality. Results must be obtained and recorded in accurate impartiality. Otherwise they are not reliable. They must not be affected by politics, funding or personal feelings.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:01 PM | Link to this

I’m not here that much. I pop in occasionally and rarely stay this long so I bid you สวัสดี

Yep, off to do his good works. So much to do, so little time.

And what is that last symbol supposed to represent? I mean, what language is that?

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: Thought I would catch you “sniping” again. Guess you just had to show everyone your true lack of character one more time! Anyone who self-admittedly pretends to be someone else as you did above has no credibility with anyone. You are a self-admitted LIAR (see above “play along”). Maybe the “devil made you do it”. Were you one of Bishop Paulk’s women? Naw, not even HE would stoop THAT low!!!!!

Goodnight all.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

Dusty: I’m quite sure the faces of dying children would never haunt you or any of your kind. Congratulations on your “balanced” life.

By Drain-o

February 27, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

David U as long as the deal pay worker in both country a living wage and health care we all win. If not we all lose. Doing what is what best and right help the U.S.A. it help them stay at home and good paying jobs for us and our family!

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 11:11 PM | Link to this

Danish: It roughly means “see you in a minute”. What do you want me to reveal my culture so that you can deride that too? Sorry, educate youself; you aren’t my responsibility.

By Objective Observer

February 27, 2006 11:19 PM | Link to this

AntiR:

For you to determine on my behalf who does and does not have credibility on this site is presumptuous. I have in the past enjoyed your posts, but for you to say that this has not become a contest promoting your self-perceived superior intellect is false.

That is exactly what it has become and I can, nor will I ever condone condescention from or to anyone else. Condescention discredits you with me from this point forward.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:21 PM | Link to this

El wierdo thinks that I am pretending to be someone else. I don’t know, maybe it was my brief role as “poetry analyst” that sent its psyche off the deep end.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:24 PM | Link to this

The last really famous doctor that I can think of who thought that he was God was Dr. Kervorkian. Charming fellow, much like GOODBYE boy.

By DavidU

February 27, 2006 11:25 PM | Link to this

New Cartoon.

By Buy Danish

February 27, 2006 11:32 PM | Link to this

Funny how people who don’t want to reveal their culture manage to slip in little hints like using non-English script. Just a clever little trap to get me to call them some sort of name I suppose.

Foiled again.

Supercalifragiliciousexpialidocious.

By Dusty

February 27, 2006 11:35 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

The faces of dying children do not haunt me because I am not “haunted”. You are.

You see, I AM a medical professional. A biologist by degree with post grad training in laboratory medicine. Most of my work is in hematology not stem cell research.

I only mention this because I have worked with medical professionals many years. Most are people dedicated to improving the health of people in their care. They are not running around talking about “killers”. They are usually too busy doing their work. They are also well “balanced”.

Good night to you, Anti, and pleasant dreams.

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this

Nice thing about print is that it doesn’t LIE like Danish does.

Danish 9:18pm “I played along for a bit because the creep did’t even get it” (Translation: I LIED for a bit because…)

Your lack of character is fully documented for all the world to see LIAR Danish. Sorry, it isn’t name-calling when it’s TRUE!

By AntiRadical

February 27, 2006 11:49 PM | Link to this

Dusty: Thank God that you aren’t involved in patient care. Keep calibrating your machines; it’s where you belong! Like I said, I was quite certain that you would never be haunted by a lost patient. Just as a matter of interest, what would you be looking for if you were to quantitate a level of TNF or a CPK iso? Your answer will let me know your validity and my question should validate mine.

By AntiRadical

February 28, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this

Whatsamatta Dusty, can’t you google up simple laboratory tests that are done in every hospital in the country, or is it my use of standard medical vernacular that confuses you.

Looks like “medical professional” Dusty joins the rank of LIARS alongside Danish.

By Dusty

February 28, 2006 12:46 AM | Link to this

NO, dear Anti-Radical, I am not lying about my profession. I don’t have to “google” lab tests. If you really work, sounds like you may be in Chemistry. I am not. Would you like my ASCP registration number?

I have no interest in your work or your credentials. You are unstable. It isn’t name-calling when it is true. Get help.

By Glenn

February 28, 2006 04:05 AM | Link to this

Yeah Dusty. I’d like that number. And a few other credentials as well. You should know what I mean. You are so full of crap. Your pretend education is not impressive and a dime-a-dozen in reality. Never BS about what you can’t back up. Overfed false ego w matching underfed intellect. That’s about 80% of the goons on this blog. Pitiful.

By Andy

February 28, 2006 05:07 AM | Link to this

[Self-Appointed Clowns](http://www.spectator.org/dsparticle.asp?artid=9465

If you believe that all the facts will come out in congressional hearings (about the ports deal), and that our representatives will then come to informed and considered conclusions based on the facts, then you probably didn’t watch the hearings on the NSA program, or on Hurricane Katrina, or the confirmation hearings for Sam Alito. Remember, the halls of Congress are not filled with statesmen; they are filled with John Kerrys, Ted Kennedys, and Chuck Hagels. The demanded hearings on the Dubai Ports World deal will not be used by many in Congress to learn the facts (which, for many, are immaterial), but to make speeches.

It’s like Mardi Gras in the Senate! Nothing ever gets done, they just party!

By Andy

February 28, 2006 05:17 AM | Link to this

By the way, Mr. Reiner serves on the board of the Children and Families Commission, which oversees the expenditures of the tobacco trust fund. That Commission approved spending $23 million of tobacco taxes to finance TV ads that promote his own new tax-and-spend-on-pre-school scheme. This use of taxpayer dollars to lobby for more taxpayer dollars may violate state law preventing taxes from being used to finance campaign activities. And the Los Angeles Times reports that some $200 million of the children’s education fund has found its way into the bank accounts of public relations and advertising firms, some of which are run by friends of Mr. Reiner.

The lesson: Beware liberals promising to tax someone else in the name of helping “children.” They’ll end up taxing you, while they and their friends benefit. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is now under pressure to oust Mr. Reiner from the Children and Families Commission, and it’s amazing he hasn’t already. While the Governor is at it, how about taking a stand against the June tax-increase initiative?

Pocketing money meant for children? Again?

By Buy Danish

February 28, 2006 07:38 AM | Link to this

Andy -

Love that Meathead economics!

By Objective Observer

February 28, 2006 07:54 AM | Link to this

Andy:

Excellent article on California’s fiscal woes. As a native of that, once great state, I can substantiate the article by saying that alot of my friends have left for that very reason.

By Buy Danish

February 28, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

Dusty -

I think it is best not to communicate directly with a certain unhinged and incredibly creepy “professional” who lurks on this board.

This monomaniacal creep will stop at nothing to gets its particular progressive world view established, including the use of vile accusations hurled at those who dare to question its agenda.

By AD

February 28, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Dusty is a gum popping, bubble headed bleach blonde valley girl. No brain whatsoever.

By Had enough

March 1, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this

Mike, This one was “dead on”. Please wake up Georgia. Is it 2008 yet???