Mike Luckovich

By Drain-o

February 23, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

I knew he was in the G.O.P.

By Andy

February 23, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

One day we draw George W Bush as a fully grown man, instead of a midget, the next day he admits that democrats are basically money grubbing corrupt crooks. I think this cartoon boy might be coming around to the side of the Conservatives that have taken over his blog.

You can only withstand the truth for so long.

Welcome aboard, cartoon boy!

By Drain-o

February 23, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

I guess the mayor W and bad shot chaney all run together . They all look the same crooks!

By chris

February 23, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

Talk about hypocrisy. Today’s AJC editorial on the ports states:

“In fact, there’s poetic justice in seeing Bush officials fall victim to the heightened sense of crisis that they have helped to create and sustain in the wake of Sept. 11.

They have taught the American people that they ought to be very, very afraid of anything Islamic or Arab. “

How bout Luckovich’s racist cartoons of the past two days?

Such hypocrisy.

By getalife

February 23, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

Mad as Zell

By RW-(the original)

February 23, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

I just hope that spider doesn’t appear, that is one mother of a web. ml why is the judge peaking out of an outhouse?

By mike

February 23, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

Don’t confuse Mikey the bigot’s latest for lack of partisanship.

There is no Republican party or conservatives in Atlanta city politics. You can bet your lif e that if there were Mikey the bigot would be defending Bill as a victim of the right.

Mikey the bigot is a liberal hack. Don’t ever doubt it for a second.

By Daniel

February 23, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

Don’t you people have to work for a living? Or, are you fat cat bureaurcrats feeding at the public trough? Loud moouthed slobs who sit in front of the computer all day long spewing repetitive slop. Make Believe Heroes of the blogosphere to the rescue of the fading Bush rictus. Or, are you on the dole? Fess up.

By mike

February 23, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

Drain-o

Maybe someday you will be able to spell the name Vice President of the United States properly.

Who cares what you think. You clearly never read.

By rushncap

February 23, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

Of course the reason that neo-cons have “taken over this board”, as Andy states, is that liberals have better things to do with their time than spending their days typing on a message board that no one cares about. We have jobs and lives. You have… well, you sure do have this board. Congrats!

By mike

February 23, 2006 08:11 PM | Link to this

Daniel

What are you talking about? You are hear ALL the time and you have the audacity to criticize others for being here?

Thanks for demonstrating again that liberals are hypocrites. You are a joke.

By rushncap

February 23, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Mikey, maybe some day you’ll learn that a sentence that poses a question needs to end with a question mark. See? Just like that. Clearly you never read either.

By Drain-o

February 23, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

It’s spell lire, crook, right wing theft!

By Daniel

February 23, 2006 08:16 PM | Link to this

Mike: Mayeb you will learn that here is not hear. Are you the same sadsack who flunked the MacArthur quote on the “Land war in Asia”? Fess up.

By mike

February 23, 2006 08:17 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Your hypocrisy is absurd. here is the archive of yesterday’s posts:

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/02/22/rightmanfor_t.html#comments

I tried counting up all of your posts, but got bored after 25.

Clearly you are the “loud mouthed slob who sits in front of the computer all day long spewing repetitive slop”.

Oh yeah, you are also a HYPOCRITE.

By mike

February 23, 2006 08:19 PM | Link to this

rushncap-

Wow another liberal HYPOCRITE critizing others for what he is currently doing.

You people are such HYPOCRITES. That’s why you can’t win elections and the American people despise the left.

Keep on being ignorant HYPOCRITES and we will keep running the country, losers.

By mike

February 23, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

rushncap -

Don’t confuse typos with ignorance. The “a” key is nowhere near the “e” key, dork. That idiot really thinks Cheney is spelt “chaney”.

Liberals are ignorant HYPOCRITES.

By mike

February 23, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

Daniel

Yeah I am you idiot. You were the moron who claimed that MacArthur said that American troops should never invade Asia, despite the fact that he got fired for wanting to invade China.

I asked you to post some evidence of your claim and you never did. Let’s see it.

Care to address your recent hpocrisy, idiot? Or are you just gonna change the subject, HYPOCRITE.

By Andy

February 23, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

mike: I know rushncap is usually with his neighbors dog ingi, so I can vouch for him not being a “loud mouthed slob who sits in front of the computer all day long spewing repetitive slop�.

You are right about him being a hypocrite, though.

By mike

February 23, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

I’ve had enough fun abusing you losers. Keep on with your ignorant hate speech.

We’ll keeo running the country. LOL.

Nitey-nite, HYPOCRITES

By rushncap

February 23, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

Mikey, I dare you to find my last post on this board. I think I posted once in the past week. Deal with it, baby. I’m not a hypocrite, you simply don’t seem to know the meaning of this word. If you were educated, you’d know that hypocricy means accusing others of the problem you have yourself. Now, then, I accused Andy, and his ilk, of being on this board all the time. You calling me a hypocrite means that you seem to believe that I too am on this board all the time. Care to find the grand total of my posts over the span of, oh, say last week?

And, yes, you keep running this country, in much the same way that Ken Lay kept running Enron, and “Brownie” kept running FEMA. If I were you I would not announce that too loudly or in mixed company.

By rushncap

February 23, 2006 08:29 PM | Link to this

And you really don’t know that a question is supposed to end with a “?”. The period is near the question mark key, but you also need to press “shift” to get it. So it’s not a typo.

By Daniel

February 23, 2006 08:30 PM | Link to this

Mike: You’re projecting. I cited a quote from MacArthur that Americans shouldn’t get involved in a land war in Asia. You went berserk. As you are prone to do with name calling and your usual slop. Well, google: ” Never get involved in a land war in Asia”. Then apologise. If you are man enough.

By Napo D

February 23, 2006 08:30 PM | Link to this

My lips hurt real bad.

By rushncap

February 23, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

I see Andy is still as fascinated as always with beastiality. What else is new: a neo-con sexual deviant.

By Brett

February 23, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

Ho! ANDY the masked homo speaks again. Hi ho Andy!

And a fresh new chunk of rightwing cowardice arrives on the blog-name of Mad Zell. Geesus - this guy’s lower than lice. Talk about your failed education system and dumbed down society! He’s gonna be fun! I’ve been away too long. Why can’t we just be allowed to stomp these bastards into the dirt and filth that surround them? Their natural habitat. Tough talking hideaways.

By Daniel

February 23, 2006 08:44 PM | Link to this

mike abuses the truth. He runs his mouth, then he runs out. I cited an often repeated quote from Douglas MacArthur not to involve Americans in a land war in Asia. MacArthur knew a lot about war. MacArthur cautioned President Kennedy in 1961 against involving Americans in a land war in Southeast Asia; this is the origin of the quote. The quote is important today due to the Iraq quagmire. When hit with the truth, the coward runs.

By Steve

February 23, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

Ignorant idiots! On his DEATHBED, dying from pneumonia and visited by LBJ, MacArthur “BEGGED” LBJ to NOT commit more troops to Vietnam. That’s a direct quote. And goes back to the 1960’s when it took place. You right wing crazies never read a book in your ——ing little lives. You can find this truth in over a HUNDRED different books on MacArthur. Mac would likely have the lot of you low-life bastards taken out and hanged. For every reason of your existence.

By Andy

February 23, 2006 08:53 PM | Link to this

Steve: I guess LBJ must have been an idiot democrat for not listening to MacAurthur, you reckon?

I hate to break the news to you but Iraq is not in Asia.

By Clem

February 23, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

Daniel: you are absolutely correct. And there more where that came from per MacArthur. It’s history, for Chrissakes. MacArthur knew it all too well. Recognized what the French found out the hard way in Indo China (Vietnam) and stated, “They (Viet Minh/Viet Cong) have a NEVER-ENDING supply of bodies (troops).” So we followed the same folly as the French. These Repubs are beyond stupidity. They are the shame of our nation. A stench in the very nostrils of anything “decent.” Nice post, lad.

By Angela

February 23, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

Zell:

I have been flipping through the blog and you seem fixated on kinky sex. Does your equipment not work and therefore you sit around dreaming up these things.

Go ahead give me your best shot. I don’t think it can be any worse than your previous posts have been.

My sides hurt from laughing so much already.

By Steve

February 23, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

ANDY punk. Yeah. Life is just completely over your mindless head, is it not!! I’ve been to ALL those places and a helluva lot more. I really need an insectile mentality like yours to question or tell me about it. Christ - you are pathetic. You’re gone now.

By Brett

February 23, 2006 09:05 PM | Link to this

Where did Andy Homo come up w “IRAQ” in his pitiful reply to Steve??? Can’t these wingnut scum get ANYTHING straight?

By Andy

February 23, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

Hey, in case you clowns haven’t noticed, you surrendered Vietnam. Several decades have passed and now we are fighting for freedom in Iraq. Join us in the year 2006, bozos.

We did learn our lessons from Nam, though, not to let you silly libs make any decisions regarding national security.

Thanks for the ideas, though!

By Drain-o

February 23, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

He may be a (vice) and I spell this crook’s name wrong . W and Dick .we will pay for the mistakeS of these clowns for year to come . Both are chicken hawk sending the boy off to war something they would not do Hypocrite . All they do is LIE!

By SS&S

February 23, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

How did they get that big old truck in the Fulton County Courthouse. Oh yea! It’s run by Democrats.

Exhibit B - Democrats don’t know how to run government.

By calf lick

February 23, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

It was buba purdue truck in front of the Court trying to hide them rebel flag he lied about!

By RE

February 23, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Andy, which continent is Iraq on?

Asia you dunce

God you are an idiot

By rushncap

February 23, 2006 09:44 PM | Link to this

LOL, Andy, it was a Democrat who got us most heavily involved in Iraq (Johnson) and a Republican who got us out (Nixon). Democrats have learned, somewhat, from Johnson’s mistakes. Obviously neocons don’t read history, or much else.

By bleedingheart liberal

February 23, 2006 09:45 PM | Link to this

FREE CAMPBELL!!!

By Drain-o

February 23, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

Rush you din bat you are just like the G.O.P your info is all *uck up . Get a grip

By SS&S

February 23, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

By rushncap February 23, 2006 09:44 PM | Link to this

LOL, Andy, it was a Democrat who got us most heavily involved in Iraq (Johnson) and a Republican who got us out (Nixon). Democrats have learned, somewhat, from Johnson’s mistakes. Obviously neocons don’t read history, or much else.

How did Johnson get us involved in Iraq? He died January 22, 1973.

By WashingtonState

February 23, 2006 09:56 PM | Link to this

RW, ]

“The United States’ trade relationship with the UAE is the third largest in the Middle East, after Israel and Saudi Arabia. The two nations are engaged in bilateral free talks that would liberalise trade between the two countries and would, in theory at least, allow companies to own and operate businesses in both nations. ‘There are legitimate security questions to be asked but it would be a mistake and really an insult to one of our leading trading partners in that region to reject this commercial transaction out of hand,’ said Daniel T. Griswold, who directs the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, a Washington-based libertarian think tank.”

By Drain-o

February 23, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

no free America from the rightwingnuts they must can’t read or who every is reading to them keep getting W wrong info!Clueless

By bleedingheart liberal

February 23, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

russians and drain-o what a match.. flush the hairballs down the drain.

By WashingtonState

February 23, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

RW, I think the guy’s right. In the end, it is about free trade. That is why Bush is willing to stick his head in the lion’s jaw to see this deal through.

By finch

February 23, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this

RE,

I fell on the floor laughing when I read your geography lesson on Iraq.

I’d really like to think the original poster was just joking. But somehow I think he wasn’t.

My sides hurt! I can’t stand it!

By RE

February 23, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

I always thought the arguement against public schooling had no real foundation, Now my opinion kinda rests on what learning institution produced Andy

By rushncap

February 23, 2006 10:27 PM | Link to this

Christ, SS&S, I meant LBJ got us into Vietnam. Yes, I misspoke, but, come on, it was obvious what I meant.

Drain-o, if you have a specific problem with what I have said (keeping the above paragraph in mind), please feel free to share. If not, keep it to yourself.

By DRINK MY BATH WATER

February 23, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

G.O.P. blind leading the blind. some of the sheep has gone off the clift most are meat heads W. Don’t sell your soul for money!

By George

February 23, 2006 10:35 PM | Link to this

Does anyone here have a real job or are you all home getting diability checks like Andy?

By bleedingheart liberal

February 23, 2006 10:36 PM | Link to this

Nice toon Mikey, an all white bench and juror pool. Just like the movies.

By finch

February 23, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

You’ve got to watch your P’s and Q’s here, rushncap. People nail you for slips like that, and yes, I bet everyone knew what you meant anyway. I did.

Heck, yesterday I was zapped for mispelling unpatriotic. Priorities, you know…

By RW-(the original)

February 23, 2006 10:39 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I’m not sure that “drain-o” knows what is being typed from their computer right now. The coherence level is fading fast.

WashingtonState,

Do you have a link for that 9:56 quote? I’d like to add it to some updates I’m doing.

By bleedingheart liberal

February 23, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

Yes, Mr. bath water, been to a few Phish concerts lately?

That’s what we like to do, roll around in the mud and ride the Camelot trip. We bathe maybe once a month and shave even less.

By Drain-o

February 23, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

Rush-n cap you sound just like W he misspoke and lied. bad info and lying about info got us in a war and a lot of good men had gone down . But what does he care mother lost son all about a lie. His buddy are getting paid and you can go to sleep you are safe from terror W clueless!

By Jamal

February 23, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

Boy, really got a hillbilly piece of white trash here in this Mad Zell geek. Um-umm.

By Buy Danish

February 23, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Drain-O,

I’m curious - What country are you from? Chine-O? Iran-O? Japan-O? Mexic-O?

This is only a guess, but it must be somewhere where English is not the native language.

By RW-(the original)

February 23, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

finch,

Careful there…you were a source of frivolity, not zapped as you put it, today. Well unless you are over in the UAE with Condi.

Your typo happened to be hilarious since you typed about a thousand words just to get to it. rushncap’s was pretty funny too since he was calling attention to someone else’s lack of information when he said it, but he gets a little bit of a pass because liberals have been chanting “Iraq is Vietnam;Iraq is Vietnam;…” for so long

By rushncap

February 23, 2006 10:58 PM | Link to this

RW - the world is coming to an end, since I’m agreeing with you. Drano - you’re preaching to the choir, so stop doing it so combatively.

By Drain-o

February 23, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this

Danish I am from God’s country wingnut. when did you start speaking english . you are from Iran you don’t like danish . Can I use that dish rage on your head!

By Jay not jay

February 23, 2006 11:03 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, good perception,

drain-0 is just going to help itself and its little hairy friends like rusncap down the drain.

By RW-(the original)

February 23, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I bet you agree more with the 10:39 than the 10:58. That was good timing though.

By finch

February 23, 2006 11:38 PM | Link to this

RW,

Mea culpa! Now where were we??

By RW-(the original)

February 23, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this

finch,

You were somewhere that it is tomorrow and I’m right here trying to figure out who Mea Culpa is. Why didn’t you send a picture?

By RW-(the original)

February 23, 2006 11:54 PM | Link to this

Never mind I found her. I guess we know where she is.

By RE

February 24, 2006 12:12 AM | Link to this

Rw finally found the picture of Ann Coulter after the voting “mistake”

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 12:22 AM | Link to this

RE,

I thought she looked more like Samantha from Bewitched.

You guys really like to lock people up without trials, don’t you? Unless they are caught on the battlefield, of course. In that case you can’t let them loose fast enough.

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 12:48 AM | Link to this

finch patrol

By WashingtonState

February 24, 2006 02:00 AM | Link to this

RW, Better late than never. Here’s the article:

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32217

By Andy

February 24, 2006 06:17 AM | Link to this

Gosh, I thought there already was an Asian civil war?:

Such a sweeping daytime curfew indicated the depth of fear within the government that the crisis could touch off a Sunni-Shiite civil war. “This is the first time that I have heard politicians say they are worried about the outbreak of civil war,” Kurdish elder statesman Mahmoud Othman told The Associated Press.

Too bad the real one was so short lived. Not even a chance for you pinkos to get in a celebration. Talk about dashing all of your hopes and dreams. That evil George Bush.

By AntiRadical

February 24, 2006 07:09 AM | Link to this

Well, everybody’s still talkin’ about the Dubai deal. Guess I’ll pop in another day. **This is a trumped up security issue chosen to tar the current admin by upsetting the basket it has placed ALL its’ eggs in (security).

While, admittedly, the current admin has begged for what it is getting by its’ divisiveness and secrecy, this deal is a good one. It is a shame that the ultra-right is now having to learn the hard way that “no man (or group of same) is an island”. When you eschew partisan bridge building and make as many enemies as the Bush camp has, eventually you find yourself without any allies, home or abroad! Then all the rest of us get to pay the high price of arrogance.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 07:44 AM | Link to this

AntiR: Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t the democrats, with their hateful bigotry, the ones making the “enemies” in the UAE deal?

By finch

February 24, 2006 07:51 AM | Link to this

The Wall Steet Journal has a good editorial this morning on the Iraq mosque bombing and it’s aftermath.

The Iraqi Violence: The Baathists Want a Sectarian War

The WSJ concludess that this is an internal, sectarian struggle among Iraqis, and NOT a crisis stoked by foreign terrorists like Al Qaeda. In fact, this editorial doesn’t even mention Al Qaeda or Osama bin Laden. Sweet.

It also suggests that Bush make a televised speech to Iraq. Not a bad idea. A corollary to the Pottery Barn rule (“You broke it; it’s yours.”) is “you can try to fix it”.

Oh yeah, Mike’s cartoon. Kind of shallow but worth a smile.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

Sweet? No mention of Al Qaeda? Taken directly from the posted article:

It is also remarkable that it has taken the Shiites so long to react this way. Carnage isn’t a strong enough word for the myriad bombings they’ve suffered over the past several years, for the most part with stoicism and equanimity. Their restraint is all the more impressive given that we all know why the terror is happening and who is responsible. Killing Shiites to foment civil war has been the explicit strategy of the Saddamists who dominate the insurgency and their jihadist allies like Abu Musab al Zarqawi.

By SS&S

February 24, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

You’re right! Good article when read with a balanced perspective.

[*But it could equally be that this week’s glimpse of hell will be the medicine that pushes Iraq away from the brink.

Hope for the latter is strengthened by our familiarity with the good sense of most Iraqis and the knowledge that the violence on both sides is the work of a few. Despite the hardships of the past few years, most Iraqis pride themselves on their cosmopolitanism and bridle at questions about their ethnic or sectarian background. “I am an Iraqi” is a common reply.*]( http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008013)

By SS&S

February 24, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

I guess I could use some lessons in linking from Andy. Maybe another time, I’m outta here.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

SS&S: The two seperate paragraphs got you that time, you can only have one in the [brackets.]

By AntiRadical

February 24, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Andy: Even a high number of Reps are lining up against the President on this one. The Dems are just following the template that has been laid down by the admin. (ie- If you don’t support even “Stalinesque” security, you are a traitor, pinko, anti-American, etc.) I agree that they are tapping into the enormous reserve of bigotry and hatred that exists in our culture; sadly, I must observe that the tactic is working as well for them as it has for GWB.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

Mike Kinsley is just like all the other pinkos, a bald faced liar. Their position is so sorry and untenable they have to twist the truth so it fits their argument:

Thus Bush’s only major domestic accomplishment in six years as president has not achieved its intended purpose of cementing the affection of senior citizens for the Republican Party.

Why even believe one word these pinko libs tell you? If they can’t overcome their pathological lying, their child like affliction from the truth, are they even relevant to the discussion?

By Andy

February 24, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

AntiR: O.K. you tell me what the basic premise of this statement means: Either you are with us or you are against us.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

I forgot a very important point at 8:36, all of theses achievements were accomplished in spite of a total democrat obstruction effort, almost zero cooperation from the pinkos. In fact, they have spent four years removing government’s focus from the people’s business and putting it onto nonsense like FISA and UAE. It’s your fault nothing is getting done, liberals. Or should I say it’s your only hope?

By AntiRadical

February 24, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

Andy: I guess it means that the large number of Reps (and of course the Dems) opposing the UAE port deal are against the President since they aren’t for him; not a very good place for the President to be is it? This is most especially true since it’s regarding an issue that should otherwise be a slam-dunk!

By Eric

February 24, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

Unlike that Andy, Mike, as usual, is just being truthful.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

AntiR: So which is it, we should have allies in the war on terror or we should act alone? Can’t you libs make up your minds?

It also looks like that lockstep Republican message BS that you guys were babbling is a bunch of nonsense, ain’t it? We welcome debate and minorities into our party.

By Napo D

February 24, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Andy, I caught you a delicious bass.

By jdc

February 24, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Interesting how so msny people here believe that there is only one way to think. You have toe The Party Line, whichever party that may be.

Fortunately, there are still some people that have open minds and address issues based on the facts rather than party affiliation.

These open minded people, who understand that there are more directions than right and left; more colors than black and white, are the people that we need serving our country and making decisions.

As for the rest…leave the name calling in the school yard please. By stooping to such tactics you only trivialize whatever argument you are attempting to make.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Eric: I agree cartoon boy is being honest today, Bill Campbell and most democrats are crooks. See, even you and I can agree on something..

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Anti-R-

It’s called HYSTERIA - politicians not taking the time to fully assess the situation and behaving like fools. The Reps who jumped in early to oppose this deal are wankers, and given time most will eventually come around because it is the right thing to do.

The Dems will continue to oppose it, just like they opposed Judge Alito and Roberts - despite their superb qualifications. Or they will manage to get some minor change to the deal which they will make a big deal about in order to save face and declare victory. (Or they could consult their Ouija Boards for advice from their ancestors).

This issue is the Demobrats only hope right now to give the illusion that they are sane and thoughtful on national security issues.

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Anti-Radical can’t even THINK of anything in terms of this country as a whole.

Either you are with us or against us is a simple statement made to citizens of this country. “US” is America.

Dems want to tear that apart and banish the elected president any way possible, overtly or actively.

Tearing apart the country by “attack politics” is one way to be AGAINST the USA.

Dissent is one thing until it crosses the line and becomes sedition. And please, no more quotes from Ben Franklin. He was a patriot and should not be quoted for non-patriotic purposes.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

The UAE is a kind of Arab model. It is pursuing commercial openness, attempting to orient itself more toward the West. Blackballing the Dubai firm would turn our backs on the UAE’s progress.

This is exactly right. The message you pinkos are sending to the Arab (excuse me, Asian) world is that we will never trust you to become our allies, you will always be our enemies. Is this what you libs have planned, to isolate a major portion of the world, to relegate them to second class world players? Will we eventually have to kill all of these people in your little world, because we can never rely upon them?

By Kris Sauriol

February 24, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

To Conservatives everything is a black or white issue, it is either conservative or liberal…there is no gray area. So when Luckovich draws a cartoon depicting Atlanta’s corrupt former mayor Bill Campbell, the Conservative looney’s don’t know what to make of it. The can’t believe someone they believe to be a liberal is actually making fun of another liberal. You simple minded conservatives just don’t get it…I enjoy laughing to myself (and sometimes out loud) as you idiots try to explain and justify the world around you. Then when I remember our government is controlled by you idiots I get really depressed.

We are on the brink of civil war in Iraq, the deficit is higher than is ever have been, real wages are decreasing, we spend nearly 50% of our budget on the military, International opinion polls shows our standing is the world is just slightly higher than Iran, education costs are soaring and despite not having a national healthcare system Americans pay more per person for healthcare than any of those socialist european countries…but hey just as long as those good Christian Conservatives keep gays from marrying all is right in the world…you people are pathetic.

By Midori

February 24, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Watch out Kris — you’re making sense.

You’re a threat now.

Prepare to be swift blogged.

By AntiRadical

February 24, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Dusty: Apply “with us or against us” to “Whitewater” and “Lewinskygate” and you will confront the absurdity of your present whining. Reps gave us 8 years of obstructionism and attack politics ad nauseum under Clinton. The only principles that Reps appear to have at the present time are the ones they ignore!

By getalife

February 24, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Good Christians?

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I like Rich Lowry and the quotation you gave. Rich comes on Lehrer News Hour and always speaks with a clear voice, so to speak.

Let’s hope this Ports deal becomes clearer. Already I am hearing people say “Now that I know more about it………sounds better.”

By buff

February 24, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Kris

Could you plese provide a credible link stating “we spend nearly 50% of our budget on the military”

Thank you

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

How in the world do the muddy waters of Whitewater and the shoddy loss of morals in the Clinton Oval office have anything to do with supporting the country? We should support THAT?

Maybe you can explsin. President Bush is not doing shoddy and immoral “things”. You may disagree with that but try to be honest. Big fat lies don’t cut it.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Kris Sauriol: Hey, while you are looking up the meaning of the word “swift blogging” also check and see what “sarcasm” means. It will greatly help you in your quest to understand Conservatives.

And, by the way, every thing to a liberal is a “Bush sucks” issue, makes that black and white Conservative deal seem downright sophisticated, don’t it?

By AntiRadical

February 24, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Dusty: We were talking about supporting the administration; not its’ actions (which are debatable in terms of benefit provided our country; Iraq sure is turning out nicely). You are calling for “blind” patriotic support of the administration. I assume that you then only wish to “blindly” support Rep administrations then and the whole thing about “with us or against us” was really just a smoke screen, right?

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Here’s a classic story unmasking European anti-Semitism - involving the anti-Bush, anti-Iraq War, Pro-Palestinian suicide bomber Mayor of London:

Mayor suspended over ‘Nazi’ jibe

Does anyone believe that the anti-Semitic mayor didn’t know that the reporter, Oliver Finegold was a Jew? What a tolerant bunch these Leftist anti-war elites are - Just like American moonbats.

Ironically, by suspending Livingstone, they are encouraging the cartoon intifada, because offensive speech has been effectively criminalized.

At least in the good old USA, you can apologize for anti-Semitic comments and get away with it - that way you get to have your cake (Left wing support) and eat it too (pretend to be a moderate).

By Voice of Reason

February 24, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Things are getting messy everywhere!

By Midori

February 24, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Buff!!!!

smooch

smooch

smooch

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Anti-Radical,

Twist and turn. Please read my 9:43 post again. Do you remember I said “‘US’ is America.”? Do you remember America is our COUNTRY?

I hope that amazing revelation will help improve your eyesight among other things.

Nobody has mentioned or acted like “blind” except YOU.

By rushncap

February 24, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Jezus effing Kerist, Andy, do you LIVE on this board? Is this what our Social Security paying for: broadband access for the developmentally disabled?

BTW, you still did not answer as to which continent Iraq is on. Do you need help, lil one?

By Midori

February 24, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

VOR:

Check it out

as usual, with these people, wait a couple days before the true story starts to leak out.

By AntiRadical

February 24, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Dusty: Here are your words-

Tearing apart the country by “attack politics� is one way to be AGAINST the USA.

Sounds to me like the old “America love it or leave it” mantra. In other words “blind” support of the “country” (translation- the admin currently in power), right or wrong.

Once more- “Reps gave us 8 years of obstructionism and attack politics ad nauseum under Clinton. The only principles that Reps appear to have at the present time are the ones they ignore!”

By Kris Sauriol

February 24, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

To buff,

There is no link stating what I said because I interpreting the budget for what it really is. The Department of Defense is suposed to get $420 billion this year. However, that doesn’t include the cost of financing the war in Iraq or Afghanistan or other defense related budget expenses.

The real point I was trying to make is that the amount of money we spend on Defense dwarfs what any of our “potential” enemies spend. The next closest rival we have is Russia (an ally?) and they spend only about $70 billion on defense. What is lost in all of this is that we have allies (unless Bush and his toadies want to continue to alienate everyone) it’s not us versus the world. Yet we build a military as if the whole world is our enemy and to do it we sacrifice programs like education.

As a former member of the Armed Forces and citizen of America I strongly support allocating money to adequately equip the members our military, but not when we must sacrifice spending on education. If people are so supportive of increased defense spending then why aren’t they willing to raise taxes to support that military?

By Kris Sauriol

February 24, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I think you need to back away from the Right Wing radio talk shows and try to formulate an original idea.

I am not a liberal, in fact I have voted for more Republicans than I have Democrats in my life, but these guys in office are morons. You don’t have an objective brain cell in your head. The guys in office are bad for America, does that mean Bush sucks…well seeing as how he is the ring leader I guess it does.

The funny thing is that if it were not for Bush I probably would of never considered voting Democrat.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

AntiR: Check this out-

‘You are either with us or against us’- George W Bush, 11/6/2001

He was speaking to the other nations of the world, which is my point. If we say things like this to our allies, but then reject, discriminate against and alienate them, what kind of message does it send to all of the others that wish to join us in the fight for freedom?

Kris: Look in the mirror when you say what you do. I’m far more open minded than you are, you just don’t like what you are hearing. How come I can present a coherent well thought out argument to every point you pinkos make, but you can’t. All you can do is make half cocked judgements about people you don’t even know.

rushncap: Are you suggesting I should spend my days with your neighbors dog Ingi, like you do?

You sound like an old woman, am I right? Some nosy blue hair, spying on the neighbors, always gossiping. Is this true?

By rushncap

February 24, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

No, Andy, please stay the hell away from my friend’s dog. I have no desire to see it sodomized by you, you sicko.

By Kris Sauriol

February 24, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I am not a Pinko, and I have done more for my country than you could ever hope to do. You never say anything of substance you just try to make people look stupid.

When I wrote about the problems we face as Americans you said nothing. You just tried to paint me as a communist. You can’t even fathom that I don’t fall into the category of Conservative or Liberal. I wish you would engage in more enlightening debate instead of name calling, but aparently to conservatives that is debating. Actually I don’t believe that I know many conservatives who articluate their viewpoints quite well without demonizing opposing views or the people who harbor those views, and you know sometimes I agree with those conservatives and sometimes I don’t.

In the future you would serve your cause much better if you would articulate your point of view instead of trying to demonize anyone who disagrees with you. It’s that sort of intolerance you exhibit in your blogs that makes it easy for liberals to call conservatives fascists.

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Poor, poor, Anti-Radical,

Still getting it all wrong. No mystical mantra here.

Supporting our country does not mean you have to do so blindly. You translate support as blindness.

The meaning of attack is to “begin hostilities against”(Webster). Attack politics is the process of political parties attacking with hostility any process or purpose they do not consider their own. There is no consideration of merit. This tears the country apart.

Right now, Democrats have offered nothing to consider. Nothing whatsoever. But they employ almost total “attack politics” in an effort to gain political power against Republicans.

Again, this is what may tear our country apart as is one goal of terrorists.

By Jenn

February 24, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I’ve been reading this blog for months now and this is my first comment. I like our president and respect him because of the fact that he is in charge of our country. We might not like some of the decisions that he makes and I’m not too happy about this port issue. However, blogs like this make be proud to be an American, because we can openly disagree. Others in this world arn’t so fortunate. Where has Objective Observer been?

By AntiRadical

February 24, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Andy: I accept your idea as I did your original post; in light of our possible upcoming betrayal of the trust given us by the UAE. I think Dusty had a much different idea, though, one in which criticism and debate are denigrated as unpatriotic. That idea will always find me standing firmly in its’ way.

By Jenn

February 24, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

I’ve been reading this blog for months now and this is my first comment. I like our president and respect him because of the fact that he is in charge of our country. We might not like some of the decisions that he makes and I’m not too happy about this port issue. However, blogs like this make be proud to be an American, because we can openly disagree. Others in this world arn’t so fortunate. Where has Objective Observer been?

By Andy

February 24, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Kris Sauriol: You came in here flaming away at Conservatives- To Conservatives everything is a black or white issue, it is either conservative or liberal…there is no gray area. So when Luckovich draws a cartoon depicting Atlanta’s corrupt former mayor Bill Campbell, the Conservative looney’s don’t know what to make of it.- You are the one “painting” people you don’t even know.

These are the things that pinkos say- I have done more for my country than you could ever hope to do.- it brands them immediately because it shows their argument to be so weak they have to have a crutch to support themselves with.

What you are trying to do is establish yourself as a Conservative so that you can present your pinko argument and expect to get nothing spoken back to you in turn. Try playing your game where only liberals are allowed to speak, they will look upon your “greatness” with awe.

Either that or try to explain, for once in your life, exactly why you feel the way you do. Instead of the attacking.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Kris,

It should be pointed out that in your first post you called all conservatives simple minded idiots. It’s more than a little disingenuous to claim that someone else has been name calling in lieu of debate.

By Jenn

February 24, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty, kinda sounds like our own civil war…

By rushncap

February 24, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Come on, Andy, what continent is Iraq on?

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Looks like everyone went to lunch.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Asia, bozo, MacAurthur was specifically referencing Vietnam Orientals when he said that to Kennedy. Tell me, junior, have you ever heard of the Iraq war referred to as an “Asian Land war?” Or is it being fought in the Middle East?

Do you think the Jews in Israel are “Asians?”

By SaneBob

February 24, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

WARNING

Andy, RW, someone claiming to be an ex-Marine have been joined by Andy posing as “Shoopâ€? and some new fool calling himself “Buy Danish” and they are all still pathetic excuses for men.

They have no jobs, interests, women, or lives. They spend their days swooning over the Fat Drug Addict, Shemp Hannity, and O’Liely and then spewing the hatred they hear as if it were their own.

Pity them. There is no need to engage them in conversation as they are incapable of reasonable discourse.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

kind of a tough call. Not really Africa, not really Asia, not really Europe…. LOL Kinda just wedged in there.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

rushncap: Iraq is in the Middle East.

Want to try again?

By Andy

February 24, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

jenn: your an idiot.

By Kris Sauriol

February 24, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Good points….

I am sort of new to the world of blogging so guess I have to remember that this isn’t like a discussion. I won’t call people names any more because it is hyporcitical.

By RE

February 24, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Andy, before you make yourself look worse, get an atlas and find which continent iraq is on.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Now this is quite illuminating

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Kris, you should lurk like me and then come on with some really stupid comments to introduce yourself

name calling comes later you stupid beyotch

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

That was meant to be funny, Andy. That stinks, You are one of my favs on this blog. And I’m not an idiot.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Fav Andy, The Middle East is not a continent.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Jenn,

Objective Observer is on a beach in South Florida and if you’ve been reading for awhile you should know that imposter’s like the one at 12:22 are constantly trying to stir things up by pretending to be Andy.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Or like the one at 12:31 playing me. I’m out, Kris those are the people you really should go after so that we can have a discussion here.

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

Poor ol’ Anti-Radical,

Still standing in the way of something that isn’t even there.

Freedom of speech includes dissent. I mentioned that I do not like dissent when it turns into sedition. You might find out there is a difference in the two.

Jenn—-civil is also a synonym for politeness and courtesy. This is a political fight, certainly not a civil one.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

THAT WASN’T ME JENN!!!

Learn to tell the difference.

Please like me.

Please?

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Now there is another Jenn?

By Kris Sauriol

February 24, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Are you serious, I wasn’t attacking you. I was suggesting to you that you shouldn’t label me a communist because it is incorrect. For the record I am not trying to establish that I am a conservative, quit trying to fit me into some neat little category.

Face it Andy you have no ideas so you sidetrack the real issues to focus on the character of the person making the argument. You are trying really hard to define me so that you can discredit my argument. It is the oldest trick in the book. If you can’t beat the argument try to defeat the person making the argument.

For the record I support the sale of U.S. ports to a U.A.E. based company. I see no problem with it, I find it funny that Bush didn’t know about it and that Americans found out about it in the manner in which we did, but all that aside I think it is political grandstanding to oppose this sale.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

RW is another on of my favs. I’m home today and read this blog usually around 4 at work when I’m not doing too much. This is my first time. Be gentle! LOL

By Eric

February 24, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

I like liberal women. They are so easy. They tell me no but all I have to do is get them drunk. They try to get me to wear a condom but thats when I tell them to get an abortion if you get pregnant. They are so stupid, I do anything I want to them.

By finch

February 24, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

This is ridiculous.

Iraq is in Asia. So is Israel, Jordan Saudia Arabia, Turkey east of the Bosporous (Istanbul), and everything else northeast of the Black Sea and Africa.

SEE MAP

The refusal of some people who admit that they are wrong about something as numbingly simple as geography astounds me.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Dusty, as my mom would say “this is the beginning of the fall of the Roman empire”

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Kris, why do you support the sale of our ports? I usually support the decisions of the president, but this one, to me, seems like a huge security risk.

By Candide

February 24, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Beware Conservatives this is not an open blog!! If we don’t like what you are saying we will shout you down. We will use your nickname to make stupid posts because it is all we have, we are weak. We don’t want to hear you, leave us to our own sorry selves, or else.

By RE

February 24, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

Just for Andy

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/geography/continents/

By Andy

February 24, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

RE, finch: How does it feel to respond to a pinko that is using my name? Is this how you liberals get your kicks?

By rushncap

February 24, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Oh Dusty ol’ pal, so when does “dissent” turn into “sedition”? When someone is dissenting from you? Is that the criterion?

By jenn

February 24, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Eric, I am in no way even close to being a liberal. And you get them drunk so they will like you? You are so shallow…. And the whole abortion issue, I would never allow a shallow minded idiot like you tell me what I can and can’t do with my body. Republican or Democrap, I mean Democrat. Sorry about that little typo

By rushncap

February 24, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

I think it’s pretty telling, Candide, that it’s frequently hard to tell whether a post is just another insanely rambling wreck by a neo-con or someone trying to make fun of them.

By AntiRadical

February 24, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Poor Lil’ Dusty: You might be surprised to learn that sedition involves a call to insurrection.

Sedition is a deprecated term of law to refer to non-overt conduct such as speech and organization that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order.- Wikipedia

Now, where has anyone called for insurrection against the USA? Don’t know about you, but I’ve only heard people criticize the way it is being run. You’re good at name-calling (long practice I suppose), but you must come to a contest of ideas with more than that. Try as you may, you will never be able to shout down free people in a free open discussion. Poor baby, maybe if you moved to Russia you could rebirth Stalinism and be at peace!

By Voice of Reason

February 24, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Is today another off-day from school?

By Kris Sauriol

February 24, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

I support the sale of the ports for a couple reasons. First, the owner of the port does not ensure the containers coming in are safe, that is the job of the Coast Guard and Homeland security, if you are afraid someone or something may come in to this country you should be mad at the Department of Homeland Security. Their current standards only call for 5% of all imcoming containers to be inspected. If that is defending the homeland than we are in trouble. This is one of the reasons I do not like Bush, if he were serious about protecting us from terrorism he would do more than just fight them, he would do a better job protecting us at home.

The second reason I support the sale of the ports is because we need to make allies in the middle east, and the U.A.E. is one of the most progressive of all the Arab countries. If we can’t do business with them then who can we do business with in that part of the world. We must win this war and to do so we have to show Arabs that our war is against terrorists and not the arab world. One of the best ways to ensure a country will not attack you is to make them a trading partner, that way they have too much at stake to start a war against you. To not let them buy the ports I believe sends the wrong message.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

VoR— I work for a living.

By finch

February 24, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

If anyone can find the words “Osama bin Laden” or “Al Qaeda” in today’s Wall Street Journal editorial I linked to on the violence in Iraq, I will give them a million dollars.

Zarqawi doesn’t count.

Newsflash!! Zarqawi, the putative head of Al Qaeda in Iraq, is not doing Al Qaeda’s will, according to Osama’s #2 man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, by killing S-hia Muslims and blowing up their mosques.

This is according to a letter #2 sent to Zarqawi last October, as published by the conservative Weekly Standard.

many of your Muslim admirers amongst the common folk are wondering about your attacks on the S-hia. The sharpness of this questioning increases when the attacks are on one of their mosques… My opinion is that this matter won’t be acceptable to the Muslim populace however much you have tried to explain it, and aversion to this will continue.

There’s no proof Zarqawi blew up the Golden Mosque. But if he did, it didn’t have Al Qaeda’s blessing, much less direction.

Conclusion: The WSJ acknowledges that the domestic violence in Iraq today is just that. Domestic.

Which blasts the “We have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here” argument about Osama’s tentacles in Iraq into teeny tiny pieces.

They aren’t there. Neither are WMDs. What are we fighting for again?

By jenn

February 24, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

Kris- I agree with some points of that. Thanks. I just think that there are other issues at hand right now instead of trying to kiss their butts. We need to worry about Iran, and I don’t think them handing over their enriched uranium to Russia is a wise call. They have shifty eyes…. And we need to worry about finishing what we started in Iraq.

By Scooter

February 24, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

“George Soros, a multibillionaire stock and commodities speculator, has written an essay titled “The Capitalist Threat” (The Atlantic Monthly, February 1997). The essential substance of this essay is the claim that the main contemporary threat to a free society is a fully free society—i.e., a society of laissez-faire capitalism”

“The Declaration of Independence may be taken as a pretty good approximation of the principles of an open society….”

Could that be considered as seditious? I think the founding fathers were pretty hip on the free market.

By Voice of Reason

February 24, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Jenn - Congratulations!

By jenn

February 24, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Finch, it’s on the FNN website. I was reading about the recent attacks in Baghdad

By jenn

February 24, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

If Bush never would have sent in the UN to find them 4 years ago, Saddam would have one now. He had them back then, and he hid them. I think we are just looking in the wrong country for them.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

VoR, Yea, some of actually do that.

By Scooter

February 24, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Andy, from yesterday;

Scooter: It does sound like a good idea but you can expand taxable transfers of money to include almost anything.

It only taxes at the retail level. It is not like the complex and non transparent VAT in England. It is transparent so that if politicians want to raise taxes for vote buying programs or pork spending, then they have to raise the federal sales tax. That federal sales tax will cause pork and program cost to impact all Americans, not benefit one group at the expense of another.

By Gus

February 24, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Little Homo Andy is now joined by Jenn. How nice. Glad you love Bushie, Jenn. So much for any credibility. Yuk.

By Scooter

February 24, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Andy, HB 25 and SB 25 require a constitutional amendment to repeal the 16th Amendment.

I have never undertood how the progressive tax code afforded equal protection from the power of government to levy taxes.

By dubya

February 24, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

I see our drunken wannabe Fuhrer is back at the Reichstag. With the Arab/port joke, plus our enormous victory in Iraq, it should be a comforting weekend for the little lunatic. Just the first of many to come. God bless Murcuh! (And all his devoted followers.) It gets better by the day!

By finch

February 24, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

jenn, the US treads on dangerous ground when it invades another country because it thinks it may have WMDs.

The ground is more treacherous when almost every other major power insists on more proof.

And the ground can’t support a thing when it turns out (as even President Bush now concedes) that there were no WMDs.

At that point, you kiss credibility and responsibility goodbye.

Thanks, George! And Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, Rove, Condi, etc. Mission accomplished.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Uh Gus, who are you? I’m sorry but I have been working since I was 15 yrs old and have always paid taxes no matter who was in office. If you like your tax dollars to go to people who just want to sit on their butts squirt out babies, and collect a check every month, then fine. But I only help people who want to help themselves.

By Midori

February 24, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

If you like your tax dollars to go to people who just want to sit on their butts squirt out babies, and collect a check every month, then fine

Gee, what have the Iraqi’s done to you????

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

finch, you think that AlQaeda is not in Iraq and not trying to stop the spread of democracy there?

This is from the same link you provided from the letter al Zawahiri wrote to al Zarqawi:

“A-I want to be the first to congratulate you for what God has blessed you with in terms of fighting battle in the heart of the Islamic world, which was formerly the field for major battles in Islam’s history, and what is now the place for the greatest battle of Islam in this era, and what will happen, according to what appeared in the Hadiths of the Messenger of God @ about the epic battles between Islam and atheism. It has always been my belief that the victory of Islam will never take place until a Muslim state is established in the manner of the Prophet in the heart of the Islamic world, specifically in the Levant, Egypt, and the neighboring states of the Peninsula and Iraq”

By jenn

February 24, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Ahhhh, Midori. Missed ya!

By jenn

February 24, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Finch, I think that we are looking in the wrong country for the WMD. Saddam had plenty of time to get rid of them, especially when we tell them that the UN will be there on XX/XX/XXXX. You can’t create mass graves without WMD’s. Did he just have a bunch of cronies go around and shoot these people and load them up in the back of an 18 wheeler?

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

finch -

Zarqawi and Zawahiri may differ about certain details of HOW to fight the war, but they still want the same thing:

The establishment of a Caliphate in Iraq AND in surrounding countries and to do that they need to force the Americans out of Iraq.

Zawahiri is concerned with winning the media war - he would like Zarqawi to be more discreet when he kills Shia. They are still best of buds in the Jihad and are clearly in league together.

I’m still putting my money on Zarqawi as person responsible for the destruction of the mosque. (As an aside, I do wish we would get rid of that disgusting mahdi maniac, Al Sadr, for once and for all instead of trying to appease the butcher).

By Midori

February 24, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

You can’t create mass graves without WMD’s

Yeah, Bush has demonstrated this many times over.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Since this blog is posting soooooo slowly, that by the time it posts our comments are outdated,I’m posting finch’s link again so you can see what Jay and I are talking about

finch leaves out an awful lot in his analysis! Warning - the letter is incredibly boring, but very instructive.

By RE

February 24, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Hi Jenn,

Welcome to the site. About mass graves, most of those were filled back in 1991-1992 when we did not follow through with our support of sepratists who were trying to overthrow saddam. A very bad a shameful situation where we asked for open rebellion and promised support, only to reconsider later. For those mass graves, no chemical or bio weapon was needed, just an air assault by helo and fixed wing…how do you think we came up with the no fly zones?

Chemical waepons were used on Kurds in the north, and Iranians during the war, those bodies were never buried, they were left to rot, hence no mass graves

By jenn

February 24, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

I just don’t think that Midori sour likes Republican presidents, or anyone that is Republican

By jenn

February 24, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Hi RE! Thanks. Ok, so I was wrong about the whole mass graves = WMD. I still believe that he had them and that he hid them. Maybe if we looked into quiet Syria, we’d find some…. maybe not. I just think that the President only tells us so much. He can’t possibly hate this country so much that he would just go invade a country for no reason. I know about the whole he is finishing what his dad started, but has anyone ever thought that he can only disclose so much to us??? Just a thought. I don’t know too much about the first Gulf War, I was in 7th grade. Had a cousin go over and he is fine. I have several friends over there now, though, and a couple co-workers that were just sent, or are going in a few months….

By jenn

February 24, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: I read the letter. What a bunch of whackos. Thats all I have to say about that.

By Scooter

February 24, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

15-18 Feb 1998 In order to understand the scope (size and perimeters) of the eight Presidential sites which Iraq had decided to declare off-limits to the Commission’s inspectors, the Secretary-General decides to despatch a technical survey team to Iraq. The report of this mission is forwarded to the Council under cover of a letter from the Secretary-General to the President of the Council (S/1998/166 Add.1).

“*Despite Iraq’s assertions and it having had a full opportunity to present its views on all matters pertaining to the two issues, the team of UNSCOM international experts conclude unanimously that Iraq has still not provided sufficient information for the Commission to conclude that Iraq had undertaken all the disarmament steps required of it in these areas. *”

Know it all liberals had eyes in Iraq I guess.

By bob

February 24, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Why not pile on? Who needs elected officials in a police state? - If that is an appropriate word for a country that spends more on incarceration than education, sentences two innocent people to death for every three guilty ones, and does not even consider the possibility that synchronized suborned testimony may perhaps lead to similar rates of convictions of the innocent to service a prison industry that prepares our reservists to torture overseas.

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

Jenn, you will have to excuse some on here as they believe what Saddam says more than Bush.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Hi Bob! Bitter are we?

By jenn

February 24, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay— another one of my favorites! Hello! Yes, the months I have been reading this blog, I can tell who loves who here.

By RE

February 24, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Jenn, I do not think the president hates this country, I think he is doing what he feels is the best course of action, however one persons opinion, no matter how justified they feel, does not mean that they were correct.

I think there is a very common and human element to this. When a person has a preconcived notion, they tend to seek out evidence to support that notion. Some examples, a person who believes that global warming is a fabrication will find any report supporting that claim as proof, while dismissing any claim to the contrary as biased. Same for evolution, tax cuts supporting the economy…etc. It is a natural tendancy to give more weight to a study or report supporting your belief than to one that erodes your arguement. But it does not make it correct, only time will tell for sure.

I think this is the case with W, he truly believed that Iraq was a threat, and so gave more weight to the evidence that supported that claim than to those that did not. The problem gets to logic at some point, you cannot prove a negative. I cannot prove without a doubt that you do not have sarin gas hidden somewhere, in your defense, you cannot prove that you do not have it either, it can always be hidden. Proving you do not have something is a standard you can never meet, the onus is on me to prove you are hiding it, that I think is the major fault in the arguement and case for war

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

finch et al,

Right on time, and right on topic -News and analysis on Iraq from Victor Davis Hanson

An excerpt -

*The terrorists, whom I did not talk to, but whose bombs I heard, answer back that while they fear the Iraqization of their enemy and the progress of democracy, they can still kill enough Shiites, bomb enough mosques, and stop enough rebuilding to sink the country into sectarian war — or at least something like Lebanon of the 1980s or an Afghanistan under the Taliban.

It is an odd war, because the side that I think is losing garners all the press, whether by blowing up the great golden dome of the Askariya shrine in Samarra, or blowing up an American each day. Yet we hear nothing of the other side that is ever so slowly, shrewdly undermining the enemy.*

By finch

February 24, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Danish, thanks for posting my link again. Yup, read the whole letter from Zawqahiri (Osama’s #2 man) to Zarqawi. It’s a classic “you’re doing a great job, BUT… “

And the “but” is, stop blowing up other Muslims and their mosques. It cripples the “cause”.

If Zarqawi blew up the Golden Mosque, he spat in Zawahiri’s face. And Al Qaeda’s. So much for control. Zarqawi’s a renegade free-lancer.

If he didn’t, then Sunnis did. Hello civil war.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

who wants to pet my kitty?

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Well, back to the deep dark past on this blog. It seems that some still don’t know the difference between dissent and sedition.

Dissent is nothing but a difference of opinion.

Sedition is incitement of resistance to lawful authority. A synonym of sedition is treason.

Treason implies an overt act aiming at overthrow of government or betrayal to the enemy.

I hope that some of what I am hearing on this blog is dissent. You decide for yourselves.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

RE- I agree. I may not be right, it is my opinion. I respected Clinton as well, because he was our President, with a few exceptions…. I think he dropped the ball a few times when Bin Laden was literally handed to him. I could care less about what he did in his personal life, however, how can you have a platform of “family values” if you can’t value your own family? I think Bush should have focused his effort on a few other things. N Korea, Iran (which he had already classified as an axis of evil and both proved it). I don’t think that he should have told Saddam when the UN was going to be there, instead just show up. Thats what DHR does when they are investigating your house because of complaints, right?

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

We’ve located the one Democrat that doesn’t get his news from the “Daily Show”. Well we know he’s a Democrat if we get our news somewhere besides CNN, anyway. I guess they just couldn’t squeeze that one word into the story.

By Scooter

February 24, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

I can only Imagine the screams of unilateralism had we gone in un-announced.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Proving you do not have something is a standard you can never meet

RE - Indeed. Kind of like proving that one is not a racist, homophobe, or fascist.

Meanwhile, I want to extend a warm welcome to Bob -

I so enjoy reading moonbat socio-economic theory. Of course, instead of incarcerating prisoners we could just do what Hussein did and free them all so they can create murder, rape and mayhem. That provides a wonderful environment for educating our children.

For details refer to the Victor Davis Hanson link a few paces up.

Gotta run to WalMart - it’s my special way of enforcing liberal stereotypes about the Right. Later!

By jenn

February 24, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Welcome back RW.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Hi Jenn,

Maybe if we’re quiet it will stay just one of me this time.

WashingtonState,

Thanks for the link. I wonder if Mark Foley knows he is a Senator now?

By jenn

February 24, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

I like WashingtonState too! I guess we ran off Midori sour and Candide (my least two favs) I think they might be stay at home moms….. shhhhhh

By rushncap

February 24, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Ummmm, jenn, other than desperately wishful thinking, what are you basing your Saddam/nukes statements on? And which country do you suggest we look in for those supposed nukes? Japan? Burundi? Equatorial Guinea? Vatican?

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Jenn,

I don’t think that was Candide earlier today either. I think that’s why VoR was asking if it was a school holiday. Midori is always here, if you want to make her appear just mention Clinton.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Hi Rushncap- I said look into “quiet Syria”, I guess you think we should bring over all the Iraqi’s and pay for them as well? (not that I’m against baby Noor, what a doll baby! I don’t mind that) RW, I just said my peace about Clinton and him having Bin Ladens head on a platter, and having his platform based on family values, when he didn’t value his own. She never came back. I though VoR was directing that I was out of school today.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Rushncap, WMD, do not have to be nukes. Bush was right about N Korea and Iran. I think that it’s the quiet ones that we really need to worry about though. I think that they just hate us, but not our money and want in on the media action also

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Does this qualify as Dissent?

By candide

February 23, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Dubya’s manifest failures makes James Buchanan and Warren Harding look pretty good, Herbert Hoover too.

I am still waiting for our troops to shoot their officers and come home from Iraqland.

By RE

February 24, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

ok, just for an update, on this UAE ports thing,

Maureen Dowd and Ann coulter both oppose the transfer

Geroge W Bush and Jimmy Carter both support the transfer.

IS anyone else a little confused yet?

By Andy

February 24, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Some people on here today are tripping slam out of their minds. Zarqawi is no longer with Al Qaeda? When did all this go down? When finch needed it for his argument?

I hate to interrupt our little joy and rapture festival, spoil the Asian civil war fun, but none seems to have started yet. You reckon they’re getting limbered up before they go to killing each other?

On a side note, who imposed the curfew on the whole entire country of Iraq (Asia) and has been successfully enforcing it? I thought that they had no government there and it was a quagmire for the US Army? That’s pretty good, locking down a whole “inflamed” country, we can’t even control Detroit.

Do everything these pinkos tell you turn out to be a lie? Why even listen to them?

By jenn

February 24, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

She’s back!!!! Hi Candide!

By jenn

February 24, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Hi Andy, missed ya. I think the curfew is just for Baghdad. I’m watching FNN now and thats just what they said about 30 minutes ago. They arn’t sure how long it’s going to last though. I also think there was another attack on a mosque…. Nut cases. I’m confused about the port issue. Why is Jimmy Carter ok with it? I thought Coulter was a huge Bush supporter?

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Does anyone know what’s up with the delay in posting now?

By Andy

February 24, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

jenn: That’s even better, if the Iraqis are policing themselves and don’t need a curfew.- Shiite and Sunni leaders appealed for calm Thursday, and the number of violent incidents appeared to decline after the government extended the curfew.

Ann Coulter’s friend Barbara Olsen was killed on the plane that slammed into the Pentagon, you will probably never see her take up on the side of any Arabs.

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay,

I have rattled on so much about dissent today that someone is going to send me a real straight jacket (and not the one suggested yesterday). You could hear the zzzzz. But…..

As to Candide’s statements, I would say #1 is dissent and #2 goes over the line into sedition. What do you think?

I try not to think too often of Candide. Makes me lose my appetite.

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

The way different figures are taking sides on the UAE deal reminds me of this

By jenn

February 24, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

Andy, just something interesting to read. It’s an article in Maxim Magizine. All about the 9/11 attacks. Not that I don’t believe that it happened, but there are multiple conspiracy theories. One of them being about the Pentagon. Showing pics of the hole in the side of the building. Perfect circle, and the lawn is perfect and the cable spools are still in tact. It’s in this months edition if you don’t get it… I just find it funny. The whole article about it was if a plane was to fly into that building, don’t you think the yard would be burnt and everything around it. And why is the hole so semetrically perfect? Just another thought

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I think #2 definitely goes over the line, but hey, we’re considered fascists.

By Andy

February 24, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

I hope Maxim isn’t serious, there were, like eyewitnesses that saw the plane approach and hit the building.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Not Crazy Howie, too??

By DavidU

February 24, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Glad the administration sees the importance of a full federal response in events like Katrina.

The report, which combined a detailed reconstruction of what went wrong with more than 100 recommendations for change, embraced the traditional view that state and local authorities should take the lead in ordinary emergencies. But it said that in major disasters like Katrina — which swept across an area the size of Great Britain — only the federal government has the resources and broad authority to react effectively.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Yup, talks about them too. Just a thought, another reading material for you. I’m not sure if the site will give you pics or not, but I have seen them here at home, pretty funny…. http://www.maximonline.com/maximlounge/articles/index.aspx?a_id=7043 prolly have to copy and paste, it didn’t come up blue for me….

By jenn

February 24, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

David U, It’s not the Presidents duty to respond to Katrina. Correct me if I’m wrong, guys, but I think the pres is like 4 or 5th in line if things don’t go the way they are suppose to…. Sorry, but by the time it got to Bush, he had alredy sent in troops or whatever. Starts with Mayor, then Governer. They are incompentent, don’t blame Bush for that. He warned them….

By Glenn

February 24, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Mike’s cartoon is HILARIOUS today. Perhaps Mayor Campbell’s naive and “ever-forgiving” wife drove the Brink’s Armored Truck for him!!! ;-)

“Stand by your Man”….Mrs. Campbell reminds me in many ways of Manatee Legs Hillary Clinton…Except, Campbell’s flings seemed to have been with much, much better looking chicks…JE JE JE

Politicians = Gotta just love ‘em!!!

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

David U -

An earlier military response would have worked wonders.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Mr. and Mrs. Campbell are both idiots. She is only in it for the money. Do yo actually think for one minute that she is ok with this deal? She has to relive it every day, just like Hillary. Don’t like her either…. All for the money…. oh and the publicity

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

Jenn’s links have a certain BigDaddyish quality to them.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Sorry Glenn, you are a fellow??? I’m usually on my way home when these posts come out. Sorry, that last post was not directed at you

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

RW -

Heard on the radio that 9/11 commish Tom Kean says UAE deal never should have been permitted. Sadly, this is gonna hurt.

What’s worse, the UAE deal, or having Jamie Gorelick sit on the 9/11 commission?

By Glenn

February 24, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

The sad thing is this…Campbell will probably come out smelling like roses. Even though he’s a HORNY son-of-a-gun, and has had one affair after the other, his lawyers will destroy the prosecutions strategy of discrediting him and his personal affairs (supposedly with taxpayers money/funds)

By the way, here’s the new official name for our President: George “Dubai” Bush…BWAHAHAHAHA

By RE

February 24, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Jenn, so far as national disasters go, ie hurricanes, earthquakes…etc. I think it is incumbant on the individual to either evacuate or if they chose not to evacuate to be responsible for themselves and thier families for the first 48-72 hours. After that it goes right up the chain, from local response, to state, up to FEMA and national. They should have their act togethter within 3 days.

The responsibility is on the state and local solely for evacuation prior to disaster, but after that disaster, local and state authorities do not have the resources to cope. That is what the national response is for. Every state pays in to FEMA and each has it’s own problems that may come up. For years Texas, Mississipi, Alabama, and Lousiana payed into the system when hurricanes did not affect those states, in effect they subsidized rescue and reconstruction for Florida and North Carolina in hurricanes, the midwest for tornadoes, and California for earthquakes.

Fema is like a national insurance policy, it would be far to costly for each state to equip itself for every conceivable natural disaster, so instead they pool their resources for safety and economy.

All responsibility in my mind for the first 48-72 hours is on the individual who makes they choice to stay, after that, I do not think it is unreasonable to expect help from the government in a crisis.

By Glenn

February 24, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

No problem Jenn…I thought your comment was right on the money!! You’re a sharp cookie, dudette!! JE JE

Have a terrific weekend! Today is the start of CARNIVAL in my country of Panama in Central America!!! PARTY!!! GLENN ;-)

By buff

February 24, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

BD

Letting Gore-lick, two syllable pronunciation, stay on destroyed the Commission’s credibility, at least for me

I still get agitated over our open borders. Letting immigrants flock unfettered across the border from Mexico is tantamount to giving car keys and whiskey to teen age body: a lot of bad things can happen

Oh well, cocktail time

By jenn

February 24, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Sorry, RW, I copy and pasted…. Didn’t work the way I wanted. Were you able to get to it?

By Glenn

February 24, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

You all KNOW why George “DUBAI” Bush says he has to spy and wiretap on Americans? Because nobody in his inept administration ever tells him anything so that’s the only way he can tell what’s going on…BWAHAHAHA

We certainly have a CLOWN in office…a real “intellect”, if you will…NOT!!!

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Why don’t we just scrap the rest of the Government and the 9/11 commission run every thing? I am so sick of that worthless group, hell somebody go find the Jersey girls for more of their “expertise”.

I wrote to Kean when it started coming out about Gorelick being behind the Chinagate wall. I said it seemed she should be a witness, he told me to mind my own business.

That’s what Tom Kean thinks about the American tax payer.

By Glenn

February 24, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

An Arab Company running the ports in the United States? Heck NO!!!! NO WAY!! Give ‘em back to the MAFIA, where they belong!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

KUDOS TO OUR CLUELESS PRESIDENTE: GEORGE “DUBAI” BUSH ;-)

By DavidU

February 24, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Jenn -Like the article/report said, when its a natural disaster the size of Katrina, the Federal Gov’t is the only one capable of handling the situation

By Andy

February 24, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

jenn: I cutted and pasted but I’m not a “member,” although registering did cross my mind for some reason. Can you give me the long and short of it, are they saying Bush blew up the Pentagon?

I usually don’t pay the moonbats very much attention. There are plenty of weirdos out there, finch comes to mind, who actively wish for the United States to fail. It’s an obsession for them, an addiction even, and if they can’t get a “fix” from the news, they’ll make some kook story up and share it with their fellow pinkos. Once it gets circulated in bizarro world it can gain some pretty remarkable traction.

It’s just a disease really. I bet these are the same people that pull the wings off of fly’s and giggle about it.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Glenn, Thanks! I give my credit to my daddy! HUGE REPUBLICAN! I make my own mind up though. I’m sorry to say I think I have some of both charastics….ony sometimes though. RE, if they didn’t get out, sorry for them. I’m tired of paying for them, others on welfare in this state depend on me. Get a job or get out! It’s been long enough. Sorry. But I can hardly put food on the table for my own two kiz and save for college, and everything else. Yes I’m married, for all of you thinking I’m a single mom leach. Do you think they have a program for working people that pay their bills in full every month, but still need a little extra to get by? H3LL no! I make too much money and I’m not carrying Loui purses, or driving a new car… Really sux.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

RW -

Well at least you got an answer from Kean! I wrote and told them that I was appalled by J.G.s presence on the commission, and by the self-aggrandizing speeches that these lifetime politicians were making, and never got a response.

Meanwhile, I just saw the most bizarre segment on FNN with a falconer to the emirates on John Gibson. He claims that falconry camps, not training camps are where we need to go to get UBL, and that the UAE are actively supporting him.

I wonder how can he say this stuff without getting a fatwa directed to him. Anyway, he’s going to be on Gibson’s radio show if you’re interested.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Jenn,

The link worked, I was talking about the scantily clad women scattered around the screen. That is a feature of most of BigDaddy’s links.

I couldn’t get to the story though.

By RE

February 24, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

“Mr. Bush has a very difficult internal problem here because to make the kind of concession that is strategically appropriate requires a mitigation of policies he has several times affirmed in high-flown pronouncements. His challenge is to persuade himself that he can submit to a historical reality without forswearing basic commitments in foreign policy.

He will certainly face the current development as military leaders are expected to do: They are called upon to acknowledge a tactical setback, but to insist on the survival of strategic policies.

Yes, but within their own counsels, different plans have to be made. And the kernel here is the acknowledgment of defeat”

Damn liberal cut and run pinko……oh wait..that was from William F Buckley written today.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I didn’t mean a personal reply. I’m talking him going on TV and saying all the people complaining about Gorelick should mind their own business. So you see, he responded to you too.

With Gibson’s hair that could almost be “The Falconer and the Snowman.”

By finch

February 24, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Danish, Victor Davis Hanson is a great writer, but IMO he’s whistling through the graveyard. But thank you for the link.

There’s no doubt that the “Golden Mosque” bombing was a professional job… done by the Batthist Sunni Army officers kicked out of the Iraqi military after the US invasion. Don’t misunderstand me; these guys are evil. But they are not Al Qaeda. AQ wants a united Islam. A handful of Batthists wants civil war. Guess who’s doing all the blowing up and killing?

The Sh-ia police don’t help, with their “you can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave” approach to Sunni suspects, but that’s another story that’s also part of the Iraqi civil unrest.

Zawahiri’s letter to Zarqawi (which both Danish and I linked to, but if you haven’t read it…) goes on for multiple paragraphs about how the “real enemies” are the US and Israel. (I guess he gets double points for American Jews. Just kidding). And it emphasizes that killing fellow Muslims and destroying mosques is very, very counter-productive.

Well, Zarqawi’s not killing many Americans or Jews. And if he is killing fellow Muslims, he’s an insubordinate pud.

You see, Zarqawi only pretends he’s Al Qaeda. Think “Apocalypse Now”. Zarqawi is OBL’s Colonel Kurtz. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s on Osama’s hit list. On the bright side, Zarqawi’s “cell” is just a handful of crazies, who are at risk of being offed by Iraqi Sunnis daily. Good riddance.

RW,

Blagojevich is a cool guy. Definitely not your Kerry-Pelosi-Dean Democrat. I’m surprised “The Daily Show” caught him flat-footed. Doesn’t anyone on his staff watch TV?

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it ironic that the V.P. of DP World’s name is Michael Moore. Just got in and watched him on FNN to ease my concerns. Done!

By Mad As Zell

February 24, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

Hello Al-Jazeera Constitution Nazicrat Osama Lovers. Just stopped by to say that I hope that all you ANTI-AMERICAN, WHINE-EATING, SOCIALIST-COMMUNIST STATE, WELFARE-LOVIN’, NAZI-WORSHIPPIN’,BENEDICT ARNOLD TURNCOAT BACKSTABBIN’, LIMBURGER-SMELLING, PACIFIST, AL-QADEA/TALIBAN CHEERLEADING, OSAMA’S BABY-HAVIN’, BUSH-HATING, VILE, EVIL, SATAN-SODOMIZING, BLASPHEMOUS, TERROR-LOVIN’, KETCHUP HEIRESS-MOOCHIN’-GIGOLO VOTIN’ FOR, DRUNK LEFT-WING SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS WHO LIVES IN A GLASS HOUSE BOMB-THROWIN’ SUPPORTIN’, PINKO, ATHEIST, EUROTRASH, HIPPIE, ANTI-U.S. SOLDIER, VIET-CONG-LOVIN’, PRAVDA-READIN’, FRENCH-SPEAKING, TERROR-ENABLING, TERROR-LOVIN, TREASONOUS, LEFT-WING, LEFT-WEENIE, TRAITOR, PANSIES burn in the Godless satanic hell that you anti-American propaganda-spreading left-wingers have made for yourselves.

Have a nice evening and goodnight turncoat, backstabbing anti-USA traitors.

With deepest regards and NO sympathies for the political death of the Nazi-lovin, left-wing, anti-American philosophy-following Democrats….

No love, just nothing but utter contempt for your collective loss.

It’s about time that we’re all able to read the political obituary of the anti-USA, so-called “American” left,

Zell

By Andy

February 24, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Oh, right, now the Sunnis are the super heavyweight champions of the world. It’s like no one can remember Desert Storm when these dudes threw their weapons down and surrendered to TV cameras.

Maybe that’s why I missed MacAurthur’s reference to super killer armies of Iraq and his horrible nightmare of hordes of Saddam’s palace guards driving American armies into the Gulf.

HAHAHAHA on the Sunni killers. Funny.

By Midori

February 24, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

My word!!

I think Zell just challenged me to a duel!!!

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

finch -

Well, I just saw news footage of gazillions of Iraqis - Sunnis and Shias - women even - gathering to express their desire for unity and calm. There were infinitely more people in attendance than at any Cindy Sheehan-led American “peace” march.

The Iraqis are blaming Zarqawi for trying to create a civil war, but of course they could just be gullible fools. Some of them also want us to leave, which is understandable, but not very wise.

All in all, I am going to have to defer to the Iraqis on this one - besides, they agree with me more than finch!

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Glad you’re back, maybe the blog will start working again.

By Midori

February 24, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

Well, I just saw news footage of gazillions of Iraqis - Sunnis and Shias - women even - gathering to express their desire for unity and calm. There were infinitely more people in attendance than at any Cindy Sheehan-led American “peace� march.

some people see what they want to see. anyone who sees bush as a leader obviously has pretty damn bad eyesight.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

Dusty -

I think Candide’s comments are unquestionably seditious, and we may have him to thank for the reason that this blog is slow as molasses lately.

If we hear any stories of a lover of Voltaire being questioned by the FBI, we’ll have a pretty good idea who they refer to.

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

Thanks R.W., I would like for it to have been a longer stay, but ONE day of sunshine and one and a half days of relaxation will suffice until June.

What’s going on with the delay in posting? By the time you get this, you’ll probably be in bed. Should we take this literally now? —-

There will be a delay of up to 5 minutes before your comment appears.

By Kris

February 24, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Mad as Zell,

Do you seriously think that socialist communist state liberals as you call them in any way love Nazi’s? The two are incompatible, the Nazi’s are a manifestation of a far right wing ideology called Fascism. Now had you said Communist loving and just left it at that you would still be wrong but at least it would show that you can demonstrate even a remedial understanding of political ideologies. I think it’s obvious that you don’t so go on and keep talking it’s people like you that make the American Right Wing what we all know it too be…bigoted, intolerant and ignorant. Thank you for proving to me everything I ever needed to know about people on the right!

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Duel: Zell vs. Midori:

From Fight Club:

“The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is - you DO NOT talk about Fight Club. Third rule of Fight Club, someone yells Stop!, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over. Fourth rule, only two guys to a fight. Fifth rule, one fight at a time, fellas. Sixth rule, no shirt, no shoes. Seventh rule, fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight.”

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

JayNot: Love “Fight Club.” Had it figured out before the end. Congratulations OO!

By Dusty

February 24, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I think it would be more fun if Candide were questioned by Mad As Zell.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

RW - Here’s some earnest blog pimping…

Everyone -

In all seriousness, while we’re waiting for this blog to get up to speed, you may want to catch up on your reading and check out what Ben Stein has to say

Any suggestions about how we can combat this craven self-censorship before it’s too late?

By Kris

February 24, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

Do any of you realize that “Fight Club” is about socialism. I know conservatives aren’t ususally the quickest people in the room intellectualy speaking, but I find it hilarious that you love a movie that is about the very thing you hate.

By jenn

February 24, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

Don’t buy it Daveu. I guess it’s ok for the rest of them to run and hide with their tails tucked between their legs?

By Andy

February 24, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

finch thinks the Sunnis figured out how to blow something up besides themselves:

But Mr. Thomas Friedman, NY Times, doesn’t. On the matter of this mosque being blown up, he has a theory. He thinks it means Al-Qaeda is losing.

He was on Good Morning America today with Charles Gibson, and he said, “Tom, who benefits here? I can’t imagine who would want to bomb this mosque.” Al-Qaeda bombed it, Charlie!

I mean, going into a mosque, blowing it up, one of the most prominent Shi’ites shrines, the reason they’re doing that is actually because in some ways they’ve been losing. The process of Iraq coming together has been happening. And I believe that the most dangerous point for America, as with Iraq, is the closer we actually get to producing a decent outcome there, the crazier our opponents are going to get, because they know if they lose, it’s strategic.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

midori -

That post italicized was a response to finch about whether or not Zarqawi was responsible for blowing up the 1200 year old mosque, and whether or not Civil War is inevitable in Iraq.

It is a debate that finch and I have been having, and it has been a civil one. I say Zarqawi blew up the mosque; finch disagrees. I heard Iraqis say Zarqawi did it; I agree with the Iraqi. finch thinks civil war is imminent; I saw hordes of people gathering to dispute that assertion.

It had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not Bush is a good leader. I guess it was the Cindy Sheehan comment that got your goat.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

This slow as molasses blog is like having a conversation with someone who speaks a different language which requires a U.N. interpretor to translate every sentence of every party. Tedious as heck to wait for your statement appear, and to then wait for the dilatory response.

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 07:20 PM | Link to this

Kris:

I loved it in fantasy land. Why would you assume my party affiliation? I don’t believe we’ve met.

Do you believe that because I talk to JayNot, a proud conservative, I am like-minded? I’ve talked with many on this site from both sides.

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

Kris, haha, it’s only a movie…chill

Close minded fool.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Don’t be talking about Midori having a goat, those DPW port managers will be all over her.

Kris,

Are you the same flame thrower that came in with a last name earlier and started instantly griping about name calling. If so you might notice that you started this round responding to someone, but went on to call anyone on the political right an ignorant, intolerant bigot.

I’m really beginning to think you have no right to b-itch.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

Kris-

Fascism or Communism, the results are the same. For all intents and purposes, there is no real difference between the two. Dittoes for the cult of Mohammed and the cult of Mao.

“There’s more than one way to skin a cat”

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

Jenn,

Here’s some clarification on the port deal.

I’ve been collecting stories here including all the strange alliances on this.

By DavidU

February 24, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

Maybe the UAE should not only handle logistics but also security:

The attackers at Abqaiq were turned back at the first of three electrified security fences that surround the plant, which is also patrolled around the clock by helicopters and F-15 warplanes, in addition to thousands of state security personnel and Aramco guards.

I mean what’s our security perimeter composed of at the ports, 2 High school drop outs with walkie-talkies and small closed circuit tv (that doesn’t work) which has American Idol on?

By buff

February 24, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

Midori

Taking my brIde out to dinner

Catch you later, maybe :) XOXOXO

By Tar Heel Bred bleeds Tar Heel Blue

February 24, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

My goodness!!! I think Mad As Zell’s head just exploded all over his keyboard, just a small preview of what’s to come for the lyin’ Rove, that disasterous retard W, VP Triggerman and the other gene-pool reject neo-cons It looks as if the rapid anger, intolerance and flaming ignorance was just too much to handle.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

RW -

Re “Kris”, I think so, and like so many fakes who show up here, in his original guise he claimed he was a disgruntled Republican. Sure he is.

“Kris” is a four letter name like all those posters from a few days ago that were actually the same person - “John” “Jean” and I forget the rest. Just know they shared the same bathwater.

By RE

February 24, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this

Hey, just saw a picture of the mosque in samarra that blew up, I thought it was supposed to have been around since 1200 AD, or 1200 years or something. Anyway, I am pretty sure they didn’t use renforced concrete back more than a hundred years ago…there is rebar exposed.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 07:43 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

Is the UAE component in your story the laptop being used to write the story about Saudi Arabian security?

Although our Navy says the security is great in the Dubai port they use. Some company named Dubai Ports World runs it.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

Correction:

“Kris” didn’t say he was a Republican. He said that he is an ‘independent’ and often votes for Republicans, but just can’t stand W and probably would not have voted for a Dem if it wasn’t for Bush.

In short, he’s all over the map.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

RE -

They built the pyramids and you question whether or not they used rebars?

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Don’t you just love those “disgruntled Republicans”? They say, “I have always been a strong Republican, but this administration has pushed me to the other side etc., etc.” and then they list all the ultra-liberal things they have always stood for.

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

This delay is more than I can deal with. In case you missed my previous post on DP World, their V.P.’s name is Michael Moore. Now there is something that should raise our suspicions on this deal, but the V.P.’s explanation of their plans and how it is run left me feeling confident. We’ll see.

I have a beach story to share with Big Daddy if you see him since he couldn’t go with me.

Oh, by the way, you’ve got mail!

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 07:58 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I have a link in the collection above that takes you to the whole board of DPW. The link is titled Fred Frey and I gave a special hat tip to Mr. Moore

By nucular

February 24, 2006 07:58 PM | Link to this

Freedom & Democracy. On the march in IRAQ, and throughout the Middle East. God bless America. God bless then Bushes!

Alcoholic W Bail out Daddy. Multi-felonious Neil. Save Schiavo Jeb

By Ricky

February 24, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

Here is what most are missing in the case of the mosque being blown up. I think it shows that the Sunni’s and Al Qaeda are losing and they know it. They see that Iraq is coming together as a country(14 of 18 provinces are without notable insurgent attacks) and that the Iraqi forces are starting to stand up and are getting better. They see that the Constitution is going to be approved. So now they have turned to their last option, inciting a civil war. That is what they are trying to do. Hopefully it will not work

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

RE-

You may be on to something

Maybe the mosque is 1200 months old?? Did they have concrete 100 years ago? If not, maybe they mean 1200 days.

By DavidU

February 24, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

RW- I just was reading the article and noticed how countries that handle terrorism on a daily basis handle security, so maybe its not such a bad idea to let the UAE handle ours.

And I don’t know about the computer, but the story was actually filed from Dubai :)

By DavidU

February 24, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

And yes I know the current deal does not hand over security to the UAE.

By getalife

February 24, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

The funny part is Zell use to be a Democrat and some considered him a turncoat when he spewed at the GOP convention.

Talk about a flip flop!

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

Mosque mystery

Okay, they MUST mean 1200 MONTHS. Or maybe they use a different calendar in Samarra.

Any actual Islamic scholars out there to explain this discrepancy?

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 08:12 PM | Link to this

“The duty of an upright administration is to pursue its course steadily, to know nothing of these family dissentions, and to cherish the good principles of both parties.” —Thomas Jefferson” or:

Stay the course.

Ignore the polls.

And attempt to work with both parties.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

Before

and

After

I don’t think anybody said it had never been re-done.

By DavidU

February 24, 2006 08:18 PM | Link to this

According to Professor Northedge, the shrine was extensively rebuilt as Samarra withered over the centuries and power was restored to Baghdad. Modern-day Samarra, a tough, Sunni-dominated town in the middle of the Sunni Triangle north of Baghdad, fills just a fraction of the enormous ancient city built along the banks of the Tigris. The latest remodelling of the shrine took place in the late 19th century, with the dome that was destroyed today added in 1905. Covered in 72,000 gold pieces and surrounded by walls of light blue tiles, the shrine attracts thousands of Shia pilgrims from across the world.

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

Ricky, I think you are right. al-Sistani understands that too, otherwise he would have cut them loose.

Al-Hakim’s remarks, issued in a statement read Friday on Iraqi TV, echoed those by Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who asked Shiite “believers to peacefully express their sorrow and peacefully denounce and condemn this act.”

Al-Sistani exhorted people not to resort to “acts that will benefit those who are trying to agitate sectarian violence. Our enemies who have entered Iraq have been trying to do this for a long time.”

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

How ya doin’? Are you fine toonin’ over there?

By DavidU

February 24, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

Just architecture: The Shrine was built in 9-10th c., rebuilt 11th, 12th and 19th c.

By getalife

February 24, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

OO,

I am good and you.

Tell me the vacation story you are going to share with Big Daddy.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Don’t you have a list of questions to be working on? I can’t imagine you passing up this blog-pimping opportunity.

By Buy Danish

February 24, 2006 08:39 PM | Link to this

Mystery solved.

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

SShhhhh! I’m saving it for Big Daddy. It’s all in the game. I’ve got to get over to your place to post. I’ve been slow.

I have good news and bad news. You know that politician friend of mine with the conflict of interest? Well he is under investigation for ethics violations. Sad for me, but right is right. He’s a democrat, but I know that doesn’t matter to you, you just want justice to prevail. Right!

By getalife

February 24, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

RW,

I keep thinking of the pictures we posted of the real Sonia and could not bring myself to play its game.

Canada eh?

I don’t pimp like I use to but went to Houma today and seen a lot of pimps for Mardi Gras.

By getalife

February 24, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

OO,

Big Daddy has all the fun.

I know a Gwinnett County official who had a confict with property sales and he beat it to get elected.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It’s just as well. I was interested to see how you were going to answer with cartoons, though.

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

My friend votes on zoning applications for his two sons who develop & build, and his daughter-in-law works in lending for those homes built. Nice way to make millions eh!

Area homeowners who are familiar with my work in zoning matters and who know I used to work there, have called for information. I am a Scooter Libby but you like me anyway!

By Abdul Abdulahdulah

February 24, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

Evening greetings. Ricky, Andy, RW, the other freaks here are RIGHT. You crazy Americans are WINNING our hearts and our soil with your victories. Kinda reminds me of my past life with the Crusades! These are great moments in history and we thank you for them.

By getalife

February 24, 2006 09:24 PM | Link to this

OO,

Well at least he kept it in the family.

By Objective Observer

February 24, 2006 09:31 PM | Link to this

SteynOnline! This is funny.

By getalife

February 24, 2006 09:45 PM | Link to this

OO,

Your friend is in good company

By finch

February 24, 2006 11:03 PM | Link to this

Considering the delay in this blog, and the risk of repeating myself (and no one ever does that here!), I’ll hold off on the life or death proclamations and links for the time being.

Anyway, I’m having too much fun ruminating over the eternal questions posed in RW’s blog via his close, personal friend Sonia.

As RW puts it so eloquently, Forget Gitmo, Sonia is the menace we all must fear.

Sometimes I think RW is just too cool and funny to be a right wing fanatic!

Also, a tip o’ the hat to OO, Jay-n-j, Danish, getalife, midori and DavidU for provoking actual thought! That’s not a dig, or as I tell RW, HTMLSARC is off. Hey, even whatsisname was reasonable.

OO, don’t forget the sunblock tomorrow.

Back to Sonia’s questions.

By Jay not jay

February 24, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this

finch, you too, no matter they say about you, you’re ok in my book.

RW, that Sonia’s list is great, good questions.

By RW-(the original)

February 24, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay; finch,

The key to the blog pimp questions is to also follow them backward. If you go to the questions at Sonia’s place you will see a link in her post to “scottage” who tagged her. She didn’t link directly to the post so you have to find the “Tag You’re it” post in his previous post list. Once you find that you will find that a Finch had something to do with this already.

By Andy

February 25, 2006 06:18 AM | Link to this

The closest the pinkos in Atlanta will ever get to praying:

Restless tension seethes in Iraq

Lord, this will make up for Fitzmas if you could give me civil war… Please?

By Andy

February 25, 2006 06:25 AM | Link to this

Now correct me if I’m wrong: Bombers hit Saudi Arabia oil processor

Can you claim a “hit” if, as words buried in the text of the article say- Suicide bombers carried out a bold attack on the world’s largest oil processing facility Friday but were stopped from breaking in by guards who fired on their cars, exploding both vehicles and killing the attackers. or was this meant to convey a false sense of Al Qaeda success?

Remember what I said about the pathological lying….

By Andy

February 25, 2006 06:50 AM | Link to this

Chertoff Worried Gulf Not Ready for Storms

Gosh, doesn’t Chertoff understand what the priorities are here?

[Yes, Virginia, New Orleans will have Mardi Gras in 2006!}(http://www.mardigrasneworleans.com/)

Why prepare for a storm when you can blame Bush for any damage and scam the taxpayers for “relief?” Doesn’t this Chertoff know the routine?

By Shelley Johnson

February 25, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

I have an idea for a cartoon. if you like this, and you should, please know I’ve told no other cartoonist, you lucky bum. “There’s a catholic, holding his prayer beads, praying out in public, saying, ‘In the name of the Father, You-know-Who, and the Holy Spirit’ “, since it ain’t politically correct anymore…Let me know if you at least like it.