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By Daniel

February 16, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

Mikey is a funny guy. I love this cartoon!

By DavidU

February 16, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

LOL….funny

By Dusty

February 16, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Cheney must be talking to a liberal here. They stay a little confused.

By Glenn

February 16, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Excellent. The truth does out!

By Daniel

February 16, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Ok, here’s my point. The leadership of our country is incompetent, whatever their politics. Douglas MacArthur said the USA should not engage American troops in a land war is Asia. Bush 1 knew a little about war. Brent Scocraft worked for him here is what he said on Iraq: “At a minimum we’d be a occupier in a hostile land. Our forces would be sniped at by guerillas and, once we were there, how would we get out?” There’s your land war. One thing is certain. The children of the leadership won’t serve. Why not? Their parents in our government don’t want them dead. Smeone else’s kid? That’s ok.

By RW-(the original)

February 16, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

I’m surprised ml didn’t send him here.

By clark

February 16, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

Daniel; here comes the Pinko/Traitor/Hater of America/Islam Lover bumper sticker mantra from the right for:

“The children of the leadership won’t serve. Why not? Their parents in our government don’t want them dead. Smeone else’s kid? That’s ok.”

By clark

February 16, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

I’m off to dinner, had fun.

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

Daniel -

Please stick to basic logic. The cause of the preciptating war is irrelevant to your argument that no country had democracy forced on them.

They were dictatorships we forced them to write a democratic constition at the point of a gun. Why we did it is irrelvant to your argument.

Your silly, incoherant anti-Bush screed has nothing to do with your argument. Clearly facts and logic play little rolein the shaping of your views.

By Daniel

February 16, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

Clark: Calm down. Answer the question: Why are the children of our leadership sitting this one out? Oh, by the way, I’m VFW. You are not. You don’t decide anyones patriotism. I served. You did not. I earned the right to speak my mind. You, likely have not. It’s called democracy. It is alive and well. Thanks, for asking.

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

Daniel -

Your ignorance is laughable. McArthur wa a huge advcate of invading China. In fact, Truman had to recall him over it.

“Such news ended any hopes the general had retained of leading a full-scale war against China, and MacArthur quickly issued his own ultimatum to Red China. Mocking the Chinese lack of military power and industrial strength, MacArthur’s declaration threatened the expansion of the war, and was by his own aide’s later admission ‘designed to undercut’ Truman’s negotiating position. Such an act unquestionably qualified as rank insubordination, and was so contrary to MacArthur’s long and distinguished military service that General Bradley later speculated that MacArthur’s disappointment over his inability to wage war on China had “snapped his brilliant but brittle mind.”[1] On April 11, 1951 President Truman relieved General MacArthur of his military command. General Matthew B. Ridgway replaced MacArthur and stabilized the situation near the 38th parallel.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DouglassMacArthur#Post-WorldWar_II

Maybe if you starting reading books instead of bumper stickers, you could make some more informed analysis.

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

Daniel -

Thanks for telling us who has earned the “right to speak my mind”.

Now tell me again about how conservatives stifle free speech.

Ahh the hypocrisy …

By Daniel

February 16, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

Oh my. Did you learn anything from Korea? Does Viet-Nam mean anything? MacArthur said we should not engage American troops on the ground in Asia. A war on China, or a war on the Taliban; or a war on Iraq does not mean the same thing as American troops on the ground. See? You don’t listen. And you don’t learn. That’s the problem with doggish devotion to Bush. It blocks your brain cells.

By clark

February 16, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

Daniel; I was just saying that’s what Andy is going to come back with on that one, you can say anything you want, whether you served or not. That’s the way the right punishes anyone who says the war is wrong. I really have to leave now, I hate traffic.

By DavidU

February 16, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

Why is everyone always putting words in Andy’s mouth? If he is going to say that then let him, you don’t have to foreshadow it for us.

By getalife

February 16, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

This is Cheney deer hunting

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:27 PM | Link to this

Daniel -

You have an amazing abilty to deny history.

Regardless of your flawed recollection, it is historical fact that he needed to be foired to prevent him from instigating such a wide-scale invasion. Do you deny this? Are all historians wrong?

Can you produce any evidence to back up your assertion?

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

getalife’s silly cartoon is a good example of what passes for liberal debate. Pathetic.

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

Daniel -

After reading your bizzare posts, I’ve determined that trying to have a rational debate with a person such as yourself is impossible. Thanks for proviing once again that liberals are incapable of factual debate.

By buff

February 16, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

Very lame Mikey, very lame

the Dick-haters just don’t get it

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 16, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

Clark wrote: “Daniel; I was just saying that’s what Andy is going to come back with on that one, you can say anything you want, whether you served or not. That’s the way the right punishes anyone who says the war is wrong. I really have to leave now, I hate traffic.” Been there done that with Andy when he questioned my patriotism and willingness to serve. His response amounted to, “What have you done lately?”.

By Daniel

February 16, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

Did MacArthur threaten China? Yes. Did MacArthur want to conquer China? Yes. Did he say that American troops should not be engaged in a land war in Asia? Yes. Was he insubordinate to Truman? Yes. Did Truman can him for the insubordination? Yes. Did you read the Scowcroft quote? No. Should American troops be engaged in a landwar in Asia? No. Any other questions? Now, answer one of the above.

By Buy Danish

February 16, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

I thought that Karl Rove was the leader of the free world.

By getalife

February 16, 2006 07:40 PM | Link to this

mike

By Derrick

February 16, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

American troops are engaged in a land war in Asia?

By buff

February 16, 2006 07:47 PM | Link to this

Why aren’t these Iraqi tapes getting more media attention?

I do think SH had WMD’s, but moved them to Dirka Dirkastan, aka, Syria

By Daniel

February 16, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

Someone tell Derrick that Iraq is in Southwest Asia. We don’t look like Iraqi’s. Brent Scowcroft didn’t want the USA in another quagmire. Snipers killing our boys isn’t a good thing. Bush is incompetent. And, as long as the right-wing headcases are in charge, America is in trouble. Good night.

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

Derrick -

It took me about half an hour to realize that trying tomake sense of Daniel’s posts is a waste of time. He appears to have a different history book than the rest of us.

By buff

February 16, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

getalife

How are you doin’, buddy? Feeling OK

Get this, I am drinking green tea. Wife just landed at Hartsfield, so cocktails soon

By Andy

February 16, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

mike: Would you like to know a secret? Neither one of those two, Daniel or LTD ever served in combat, there ain’t no way, I’m pretty sure they aren’t even men. It’s not that hard to tell. Liberals are weird, weird as the day is long. They will lie to get an upper hand at the drop of a hat.

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

Somebody tell Daniel that “‘s” is a possesive form, not a plural form. Tough to learn proper grammar when all you read is bumper stickers.

By mike

February 16, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Andy. I can’t say that I ever served, but I still feel like I have a right to speak my mind, even if super-patriots like Daniel don’t want me to.

By getalife

February 16, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

buff,

I am okay.

Green tea? yuk!

By getalife

February 16, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

Speaking of pathetic

By Andy

February 16, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

mike: That’s what I mean, this is America, if you feel someone is wrong then prove it, don’t be telling them to shut up or be shouting them down. The things they do are wrong.

By buff

February 16, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

Dissent is healthy, but I think the irrational Dick-haters would accept seeing our nation hurt if it furthered their political goal

By mike

February 16, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

Definately. It’s not that liberals hate America, its just that they hate Bush more than they love America.

By buff

February 16, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

Mike good point, are they all that way, of course not. But reading remarks on democraticunderground.com is scary

In 2003 one person actually said she hoped 10,000 Americans get killed in Iraq so Bush would not get reelected

By RW-(the original)

February 16, 2006 08:12 PM | Link to this

mike,

A lot of them hate America too.

Great cartoon at Michelle’s place.

By mike

February 16, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah. Can you imagine how many of these “humanist” liberals were praying for Cheney’s gunshot victim to die?

It is unfortunate that they can’t take this blinding rage and use it to create an alterntive set of policies for America. Because they are incapable of articulating alternative policies, they just choose to demonize any who don’t share their “englightened” views (whatever they may be).

By DavidU

February 16, 2006 08:16 PM | Link to this

The U.S. should close its anti- terrorism prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, immediately and try all of the detainees or release them, the United Nations said today in a report. The Bush administration rejected the idea.

Wonder what the US response will be.

By mike

February 16, 2006 08:16 PM | Link to this

RW -

Don’t get me wrong. I know that there are the Micahel Moore/Bob Herbert types who really do hate America (plenty of them). I just think that most of them just hate Bush more than they love America, which is just as bad in my book.

By buff

February 16, 2006 08:17 PM | Link to this

RW, man, she is HOT

mike

If crackpot ideas are fun, you should work in academe

By RW-(the original)

February 16, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

buff,

You got me worried there. I had to check my links and make sure I didn’t pull one of BigDaddy or getalife’s tricks.

By buff

February 16, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

RW

I did not link to anything

By RW-(the original)

February 16, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

mike,

I understand that, but that’s why I gave you the Zombietime link. These things go on all the time with some very anti-American groups behind them, but what you get in the “news” are just pictures of a few normal looking anti-war protesters.

By Richard Milhaus Nixon

February 16, 2006 08:30 PM | Link to this

You’re doing a heckuva job, Mr. Cheney! From one real Dick to another, your MY kinda guy!

By getalife

February 16, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

His blog elicited message-board postings about hunting “Wepubwican Wawyers” (think Elmer Fudd) and lots of cracks about how it’s a good thing Cheney got deferments from serving in the Vietnam War given his marksmanship skills.

I’m hunting Wepubwican wawyers!

By SillyPeople

February 16, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this

It is unfortunate that conservatives don’t appear to have the capacity to understand that liberals love America as much or more than they do. Libs simply have different convictions and visions of the America they wish to leave their children. Conservatives should sometimes stop and listen to the drivle that they exude; contrary to what they often imply, “liberals love their children, too” and they most often act in manners that they feel will best ensure their childrens future welfare. It’s amusing that this is exactly what conservatives are doing as well and they hate each other for it. Heh, Heh, Heh!!!

By getalife

February 16, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

Silly wabbit, tricks are for Dicks.

By Andy

February 16, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

SillyPeople: It’s what you do with other people’s children that makes you right or wrong. Ruining our schools for the sake of liberal history revision or for the teacher’s union is something you should really take a hard look at, before you pat your self on the back.

By RW-(the original)

February 16, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

Hey Nixon’s back and he changed the spelling of his name.

getalife,

Are your meds working?

By getalife

February 16, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

RW,

They are now, thanks.

By buff

February 16, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

SP

Sure you love America. You, or, your kind, maybe not you, hate the military, have ruined our schools to kneel to unions, hate successful people, are morally bankrupt (I am too), use class and race warfare, love big government, think the government GIVES us our right, hate religion, love tyrannys, eschew capitalism, blah blah blah

By buff

February 16, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

Where’s Midori?

I miss her

At my age not too many women list after me :)

By SillyPeople

February 16, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Andy to you everyone is liberal. Go soak your head for a few years and let cooler heads prevail. You mention only the tip of the many ice-bergs associated with far left liberals, of course. The right has it’s few problem-children, too. Problem here is that “red-baiting” only denigrates the conservative cause as much as the nazi/fascist rhetoric does the liberals. Some of us are completely repulsed by the constant accusations of “america-haters”, “pinkos”, “Hitler-Youth”, “Whitehouse-Mafia”, etc. etc. etc. There is no honor in this for either persuation.

By DavidU

February 16, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Buff - Yeah and liberals would say conservatives are:

Someone who jackhammers their fanatical religious beliefs down other people’s throats, and if you don’t like it, move to Canada.

Someone who fabricates a reason to invade a country that never attacked the United States, and if you don’t like it, move to Canada.

Someone who runs political campaigns full of lies and dirty tricks, and if you don’t like it, move to Canada.

Someone who cuts taxes to make the super rich even richer while increasing spending and putting the country deep in debt, and if you don’t like it, move to Canada.

But I think there’s a middle ground between both definitions.

By SillyPeople

February 16, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

Andy/Buff: Thanks for so eloquently proving the point of my post so irrefutably. I assure the readers that I had no input into their replies, at all.

BTW- People like you make people like me look crazy. You should both be ashamed. Your brand of conservativism can only be seen as reactionary. It saddens me to have any affiliation with you, whatsoever. Such is our times.

By Midori

February 16, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

LOL

Did I just see the Buff Signal go up???

:)

By buff

February 16, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

DavidU

You are right, my friend

SP

Note, I put a qualifier in my post that might exclude you. I was speaking of the kook left, and there is a kook right

Find a politicaaly extreme statement about policy I have made

By buff

February 16, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

Midori

I love you

Gotta run, wife just pulled in the driveway

By Andy

February 16, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

SillyPeople: First of all, who made you the wise one of the blogosphere? If we are going to declare ourselves all seeing and all knowing tonite, then let me bust you out as a bald faced pinko lib. Don’t come in here with the “can’t we just get along bullc-rap” and then start flaming everybody. Soak my head? Why don’t you suck some a-ss, punk?

By DavidU

February 16, 2006 09:47 PM | Link to this

Anyone know the name of Flag manufacturers? I want to buy stock in those companies. There’s going to be all sorts of flag burning going on for weeks; with the Danish cartoons, the new pictures of Abu Ghraib and now a leaked report from the US army’s internal investigation on the scandal.

By jerome r

February 16, 2006 10:28 PM | Link to this

First the cartoon does not seem funny or i’m missing the humor anyway.

Second I don’t remember voting for Scowcroft, so who cares what he says.

By Dusty

February 16, 2006 10:36 PM | Link to this

Oh, does this woman care ANYTHING about our country?

Nancy Pelosi was just shown on the news trying to insinuate that there might be a connection between Cheney’s accident and Katrina. She mentioned something else but I missed that one. Here’s a leading Democrat trying to drum up a sneaky conspiracy for this country. What has happened to honor in politics? Disgraceful is too mild a word for Pelosi.

By buff

February 16, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

Dusty

I saw NP on the news earlier

She is an idiot; a good representative of her nutty party

Keep talking, Nancy, keep talking

By David200

February 16, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

I went to supper and just came back. I’m a former sports official. From my perspective:

Mike 2

Daniel zip.

‘course, The McArthur quote about the land war was a crip shot. I could’ve scored on that one.

By Mike

February 16, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Did you hear the story about the 21 year redneck that ran over the pedestrian in Buckhead?

Well, he maybe had a beer for lunch with his buddies who were in the truck with him. Just one beer. And, he got the pedestrian medical aid right away. Good thing, the guy almost died.

He didn’t let the police get a chance to talk to him, or give him a sobriety test.

He let his friends handle it … a few hours later.

Seems the whole thing could have been avoided if the pedestrian had announced he was going to be walking on the sidewalk behind the truck.

But, anyway, next time your friends are riding in the back of your pick up truck and they fall out the back… don’t back up and go get them.

Let them announce when they are ready to jump back in.

The police really don’t mind if you shoot a hunting partner after having a beer with your lunch. But, DAMN, you’re going to prison if you back over your own friend who fell out of your pick up truck after having a beer with you for lunch. Especially if you don’t report the injury to the police for … 12 -18 hours.

So give the Veep a break. Remember, it’s not like he was drinking and driving.

He was just drinking and shooting.

By David200

February 16, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

There’s a simple reason why I respect our troops: I lost two close friends in Nam, I’ve got 2 former students in the ‘Stan, 2 others in Iraq, and one making bombs for the AF. One of the guys in Iraq had his best friend take a head shot right in front of him. He had to put his friend’s body back in the Humvee under fire. They have my utmost respect. I worry about them every day.

By Buy Danish

February 16, 2006 11:30 PM | Link to this

jerome r -

Aha! I couldn’t remember voting for Scowcroft either. So maybe I don’t have the early signs of alzheimers after all.

Dusty -

They tried “the culture of corruption”. That didn’t fly too far. They tried “the culture of secrecy” and that flopped. Tonight I heard something about “the culture of arrogance”. If that doesn’t work, they can always try “the culture of yogurt”.

SillyPeople - Libs simply have different convictions and visions of the America they wish to leave their children.

Can you spell these visions out for us? Any details that you can provide would be most welcome. I want the whole glorious liberal vision painted in great detail. This is your moment to shine - finally a grand plan to reveal to the world! This is exactly what we’ve been waiting for.

By RW-(the original)

February 16, 2006 11:35 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Sadly I think you have sunk the entire conservative movement. It would have been years before they figured out the “culture of yogurt” was the key to their political future.

Now we will have to sit back and wait to see if they think you are tricking them.

By Dusty

February 16, 2006 11:48 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish and RW,

I don’t think I can wait up for the glorious liberal vision. Guess I aint got no culture. Not even yogurt. Just plain uncouth!

G’nite.

By RW-(the original)

February 16, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Nite Dusty,

You aren’t ever going to get that “vision” anyway. All you will get is that your way is wrong and, as the eyebrow told us after the SOTU, there’s a better way.

By Buy Danish

February 16, 2006 11:56 PM | Link to this

marc -

Are you an imbed sent from CAIR? Because while you may have good intentions, you’re not doing our side any favors with your first paragraph, especially when it’s followed by your second paragraph.

RW - It may be too late. They have operatives everywhere, watching every thing we say, and reporting back to DNC headquarters. By tomorrow morning Howard Dean will have received the talking point. I am so ashamed. How could I be such a reckless fool! I’m going to cry myself to sleep.

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

I’m gettin’ it, RW. I’m GETTIN’ it, the glorious liberal vision, right out of the darkness.

Aw heck! Naw… I forgot to turn off the light. G’nite (again).

By repubs hate black people

February 17, 2006 12:08 AM | Link to this

Dissent is healthy,

I appreciate you respect for dissent; it is truly the hallmark of our nation.

but I think the irrational Dick-haters would accept seeing our nation hurt if it furthered their political goal

Righties need to realize that progressives attack Dick (and GW, and neocons, and maulkin, and coulter, and o’reilly, and …) in an attmpt to keep the nation from being further hurt, not to hurt it. Both sides believe they are fighting a war for the soul of America, against those who are perverting its just causes. Neither side is completely right or completely wrong, just completely american. baiting doesn’t change that.

By finch

February 17, 2006 12:12 AM | Link to this

RW,

Sorry I missed all the fun. I’ve been trying to squash a worm in my PC. I think it’s the one Cheney released. The ol’ Dell got infected after I clicked on the FNC website and tried to send an anonymous note to Sean Hannity threatening his manhood.

HTMLSARC and HTMLSNARK are active.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 12:14 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Don’t cry yourself to sleep. You have probably prevented them from ever trusting the “culture of yogurt” gambit. They do see conspiracy theories lurking behind every freezer case. On further reflection, your preemptive strike was a masterstroke. You should break out in a happy dance, although your husband may have you committed.

Dusty,

Is this going to be one of those nights that we spend 4 or 5 hours saying goodnight to each other?

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 12:24 AM | Link to this

finch,

You know what they say, “lay down with dogs wake up with fleas..err..worms”.

This is an excellant tool for those sneaky little critters.

By Miguel de la familia Robinson

February 17, 2006 01:17 AM | Link to this

The real question is: who the heck gave Cheney a gun?

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 01:40 AM | Link to this

Anybody that read “Mike” at 10:49 might enjoy this. Be sure to click on the “Mike’s” name to see the where the profile resides.

The normal “mike” on this blog should consider changing nics.

By Julie

February 17, 2006 02:15 AM | Link to this

The cartoon is not funny, and neither are the posts… A man got shot and could have died. It was an accident. It’s times like these that Dems show their true nature. So sad.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:41 AM | Link to this

Lobbyists have given more to Democrats

Gosh, you reckon?

Since the 1990 election cycle, Democrats have accepted more than $53 million from lobbyists while Republicans have taken more than $48 million for their election campaigns, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Data provided by the nonpartisan group also shows that when Democrats controlled Congress in the early 1990s, they consistently hauled in more than 70 percent of the town’s lobbyist money. The group is a leading critic of Texas Republican Rep. Tom DeLay’s ties to lobbyists.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:44 AM | Link to this

Rumsfeld slams war statements by Murtha

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, in his first public faceoff with Rep. John P. Murtha since the Pennsylvania Democrat called for a quick U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, rejected yesterday the congressman’s charge that the U.S. cannot win the war.

Gosh, you reckon?

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 17, 2006 05:29 AM | Link to this

Andy wrote,”Daniel or LTD ever served in combat, there ain’t no way” Hey Andy Kiss my A**

By Andy

February 17, 2006 06:25 AM | Link to this

Yeah, that’s real nice LTD, here’s my war pictures.

Gig’s up, sweetheart.

By Kevin

February 17, 2006 06:35 AM | Link to this

Okay day 5 of cheney shoots hunter by accident…still press no ask of about foster death n rose papers no whitewater papers….where were they then..Now u have these suddam tapes of WMDS n hid in syria what will dean do now will Cnn report it answer No. lets bash bush i tell u if this was gore n was done like bush. Well u here donkeys sayin the Reps. are knit pickin on nothin u get me point!

By ModerateMike

February 17, 2006 06:37 AM | Link to this

Has anyone questioned the shooting victim about his links to Al Quaeda? There could have been wmd present and Cheney was simply doing his best to protect US.

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 06:40 AM | Link to this

Julie, you seem to be mistaken about the party affiliation of those making fun of the shooting. The day after the accident, both the Whitehouse press secretary and the Presidents brother, Jeb, were making jokes regarding the wearing of hunter’s orange so that Cheney would not accidentally shoot them. I quoted them here within a couple of hours of the statements being made as I thought it to be insensitive. This was before the more serious nature of the victim’s condition was released. I believe this bad judgment to be the product of embarrassment and it came out as nervous “black�? humor. It was, also, I believe in some part an effort to soften the incident by minimizing. Nonetheless, for you to misdirect blame to the Dems just demonstrates that you don’t really keep abreast of current events and rely on spin doctors to put words in your mouth. Don’t get a life, the one you have is pitiable enough; get a brain and use it to keep your self informed!

PS- Political cartoons are often not funny and are usually outrageous. Nature of the beast. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. (unless you’re Muslim and need something else to whine about, of course.)

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 06:47 AM | Link to this

LTD, your ‘Nam photo and citations are worthy and honorable. People like Andy never acknowledge anything good or decent, all they have are insults. I apologize for their ignorance; I hope everyone realizes that they are NOT representative of the views of moderates (I’ve given up on the word “conservative”- from what I’ve seen over the past 6 years, I don’t want to be one anymore).

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:00 AM | Link to this

Well spoken, AntiR, but it doesn’t change a thing. In fact let me give you something else to do a false pinko proclamation over: I doubt if LTD is even a man.

You pinkos will go to any length to silence the debate, telling people to shut up and shouting them down. It is understandable, seeing how your ideas are so lame that you have no other recourse. You are going to have to show me irrefutable proof of anything you lying little wormy people want to claim, I just don’t trust you lowlifes. Why should anybody else? We’re just supposed to take your word on it?

How does service to your country give you the right to shout down everybody else’s right to free speech, anyway?

By ModerateMike

February 17, 2006 07:07 AM | Link to this

Hey Andy, what does it matter if LTD is a woman? I came on here to express my opinion about this Cheney attempted killing of a top level Al Quaeda operative in our back yard and all I am reading is Sean Hannity level tripe. Luckovich had to do something regarding this, but I have seen him do much better.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 17, 2006 07:09 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical wrote:”LTD, your ‘Nam photo and citations are worthy and honorable. People like Andy never acknowledge anything good or decent, all they have are insults. I apologize for their ignorance; I hope everyone realizes that they are NOT representative of the views of moderates (I’ve given up on the word “conservative�?- from what I’ve seen over the past 6 years, I don’t want to be one anymore).” Thank you for your comments.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:12 AM | Link to this

ModMike: It doesn’t, unless she is lying about being a man.

Why can’t you liberals understand when somebody assigns special rights to themselves, based on a minority status, so that they can gain an upperhand in a political debate, is worse than any racism or bigotry imaginable? Am I missing something here?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:13 AM | Link to this

Excuse me..

Why can’t you liberals understand when somebody falsely assigns special rights to themselves, based on a minority status, so that they can gain an upperhand in a political debate, is worse than any racism or bigotry imaginable? Am I missing something here?

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 07:17 AM | Link to this

Andy, it’s called simple human dignity and respect, a concept of which you occasionally appear to be unaware. You most often bring on insults by your outrageous statements. I personally understand your frustrations but am most impressed when you express yourself with ideas rather than rhetoric. Military service does not equal rights or even neccessarily wisdom. It only indicates that someone did the right thing at one point in their life and put the value of their ideals and duty above that of their wants and immediate needs. I most often do not mention my own service out of habit (at one time our citizenry mocked returning veterans). You may then understand the reason for my sensitivity (and that of most ‘Nam vets) regarding this matter.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:24 AM | Link to this

Andy, it’s called simple human dignity and respect

By Daniel

February 16, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

Clark: Calm down. Answer the question: Why are the children of our leadership sitting this one out? Oh, by the way, I’m VFW. You are not. You don’t decide anyones patriotism. I served. You did not. I earned the right to speak my mind. You, likely have not. It’s called democracy. It is alive and well. Thanks, for asking.

I thought this was America where we had equal rights for all citizens that were protected by our Constitution? Am I missing something here?

By ModerateMike

February 17, 2006 07:25 AM | Link to this

Andy, I’ve been called a lot of things, but never a liberal. It must be my birthday or something. Truth is I was once a kool-aid drinking, fire-breathing, right of Rush Conservative Republican. Thanks to Bush I have changed some allegiances, but few ideals.

Its like I tell my friends, “Don’t blame me, I voted for Badnarik.”

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:29 AM | Link to this

ModMike: Apologies. I meant to address that second paragraph to all the other libs in here.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 17, 2006 07:41 AM | Link to this

Andy wrote: “How does service to your country give you the right to shout down everybody else’s right to free speech, anyway?” This, from a man who supports an administration that institutionaliized “free speech zones”. Oh, never mind, nuance and irony are lost on the dim.

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 07:46 AM | Link to this

Andy, sorry about Daniel’s post. It was dead wrong. Please try to be the better man, even if it can be tough at times. If you approach me as a human being, an equal, I will respect and listen to you. You might even change my mind; you have before. If you approach me as if I were an animal, you might just get snarled at.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:51 AM | Link to this

LTD: If the government said it was fine to jump out of 20 story windows would that make it alright for us to do it?

AntiR: Don’t read me the wrong way, I’m not near as bad as you think I am.

By Edd Williams

February 17, 2006 07:53 AM | Link to this

You really are just a left-wing sycophant aren’t you Mr. Luckovich?

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 07:58 AM | Link to this

Andy, I don’t think your bad at all. I think you are standing up for what you think is right and believe me I respect that. Too many people never stand up for anything their whole life long. We may disagree on some things but I understand that you are a good person with a family that he wants to leave a good and decent America to. On that, we will always agree!

By buff

February 17, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

Heyj LTD

Not trying to pick a fight here, but, to you, what does it mean to be a “liberal”

By Max Flaig

February 17, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

It’s a tragedy what happened to VP Dick Cheney’s hunting partner, but he is alive. We all know what happens when a politician gives some one a ride home and they drown then delays calling authorities. Oh, thats right nothing.

By Van

February 17, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

buff,

Liberal, Noun: Someone that knows exactly where God went wrong.

By finch

February 17, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

Did anyone see “The Daily SHow” last night?

Jon Stewart ran a clip montage of Fox anchors saying the Cheney incident was overblown, a distraction, a Bush foe obsession, a waste of time, not real news, irrelevant, etc.

So what in the world of Fox is real news?

Stewart ran a clip montage of Fox news video of accused wife and daughter killer Neil Entwistle’s “prison” jet leaving Britain and arriving in Boston. Entwistle disembarking from jet, arriving for arraignment, leaving arraignment; videos of dead wife’s parents, etc.

Y’know, real news. What you’d expect from the Natalie Holloway network of record.

I laughed my butt off.

By Van

February 17, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

I think the cartoon is a bit tasteless. To make fun of a traumatic experience is a bit low bred.

Next we will be making fun of other accidental shooting victims. Oh, how much fun is that.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

LTD argues This, from a man who supports an administration that institutionaliized “free speech zones�?.

Tex -

Your Marxist p.c. friends invented “institutionalized free speech zones” by criminalizing “offensive speech”. Heck, You can’t even call anyone “stupid” anymore without the threat of a hate crime indictment.

And, where are we now, in the 21st Century, after decades of well-organized Marxist thought control? You and the mullahs have managed to convince billions that “Islamophobic” cartoons are both worthy of a death sentence and an occasion to party. Good job Tex.

BTW, How did Abu Ghraib photos slip through your tightly controlled zone of offensive images?

Get those American flag orders in today before its too late! You can’t party hearty without a good flag burning.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

And I guess this is what Buy-Danish considers proper protection of our 1st Amendment guarantees.

Posted at 09:45 AM ET, 02/ 9/2006 No Big Deal, Pentagon Says Oh my goodness, Donald Rumsfeld, says. Well-meaning, honest mistakes: “no big deal.” That’s how the Secretary of Defense describes his Department’s own admission to Congress that the Pentagon “inappropriately” collected information on anti-war and anti-military protestors in the United States. In a January 26 letter to Sen. Levin and other Congressional leaders, the Defense Department admits: “Although the TALON reporting system was intended to document suspicious incidents possibly linked to foreign terrorist threats to DOD resources, some came to view the system as a means to report information about demonstrations and anti-base activity My goodness gracious indeed. Rumsfeld is trying to gloss over the fact that military police and intelligence personnel clearly collected information far beyond potential terrorist’s casing U.S. facilities.

By finch

February 17, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

“Your Marxist p.c. friends invented “institutionalized free speech zones�? by criminalizing “offensive speech�?. Heck, You can’t even call anyone “stupid�? anymore without the threat of a hate crime indictment.”

That’s a HUGE stretch, Danish.

If it were true, most of us here, of whatever political bent, would be hiring lawyers.

And since when did lowering yourselves to a warped perception of your adversaries standards* become defensible and even admirable?

*The only one here suggesting that Old Glory be torched is you.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

I agree Van. Give Deferment Dick a break! At least this time no one was doing his shooting for him. Give credit where credit is due.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

1A: You are granting first amendment rights to foreign jihadist killers? Am I missing something here?

Joe H.: What is your major pinko malfunction?

By Brian Curtis

February 17, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Finch: You can always count on the Daily Show for good perspective on the day’s events, pre-mocked for your convenience.

And 1A has a point: At least this time Deadeye Dick was willing to fire the gun himself! I guess he’s gotten so many people killed he was growing curious about what it was like to actually pull the trigger.

But not to worry; Darth Cheney will rise again. Maybe he’ll get to be the next president’s brain too!

By Andy

February 17, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

By The REAL Brian Curtis

February 17, 2006 09:16 AM

We can do without these kind of posts here, let’s leave the pettiness for the libs to take care of, please.

By finch

February 17, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

1A - I see you’ve been falsely accused of wanting to “grant first amendment rights to foreign jihadist killers”.

Isn’t it amazing how the parasites here can mutate a reasoned post into unrecognizable twaddle?

Brian - Darth Cheney speaks.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

finch -

The only one suggesting that Old Glory be torched is ME??

I used a BIT of hyperbole to make a point about criminalizing speech. But the fact remains that the notion that people have a right not to be offended is indisputably the invention of the Left, and the mad mullahs are milking it with great results.

The cult of Mohammed and the cult of Mao have a lot in common.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

By Andy

February 17, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

1A: You are granting first amendment rights to foreign jihadist killers? Am I missing something here?

Yes Andy you are missing something. That the first amendment protects the right of American citizens to protest and have opinions contrary to that of the government. Your mentallity is that of the old commissars they had in the communist block nations or present day Cuba. You claim to be such a great American and defender of freedom for those who agree with you but not for those who don’t.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Every time you type a post Andy, you prove that you are unamerican.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Ooops:

1A: If one of the most violent homegrown terroist organizations decides to protest out in front of a Honey Baked Ham store, is it really out of line for the law to take pictures of them, just in the off hand chance that the store gets burnt down in the future?.htm)

Is there any killers that you libs won’t go to bat for?

By Eric

February 17, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Look who’s deciding who served and who didn’t and who is a man and who isn’t. It’s Andy Sue.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Andy sees a terrorist behind every bush and tree and would give up his basic freedoms in return for safety. He is a constant apologist for an administration charged with our security yet one that took one of the most respected and efficient government agencies prior to 9/11 and turned it into something practically useless. Staffing Shortages Loom Large in Report on Woeful Response to Katrina By Stephen Barr Thursday, February 16, 2006; Page B02 Hurricane Katrina overwhelmed the Department of Homeland Security in a number of ways, but one of the biggest involved staffing. When the monster storm hit, the department was short-handed. That’s one of the key findings in a report released yesterday by the House committee that investigated preparations for and the response to Katrina, which hit New Orleans and much of the Gulf Coast on Aug. 29. The report by the committee, chaired by Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), portrays the government as unable to learn from experience or unable to act on what it had learned The staffing woes were particularly evident at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which has about 2,500 full-time employees

In Louisiana, FEMA officials could meet only about half of their responsibilities. Scott Wells , the deputy federal coordinating official for the state, said: “We did not have the people. We did not have the expertise. We did not have the operational training folks that we needed to do our mission.” FEMA also had other staffing problems. Since 2002, FEMA has lost a substantial number of its top disaster specialists, senior leaders and other experienced hands in a “brain drain,” the House report says. “Many emergency management professionals had predicted this ‘drain’ would have a negative impact on the federal government’s ability to manage disasters of all types,” the report says. FEMA scored second to last among government agencies in a 2005 survey of job satisfaction, the report notes. The report also says Homeland Security officials “were unable to maintain their ranks of disaster professionals, through employee retention, development or recruitment, and this failure hindered the response to Hurricane Katrina.” When Katrina roared ashore, FEMA had about 500 jobs that were vacant, and eight of 10 regional directors were in an acting capacity, the report says. Essential to the federal response system are FEMA teams that deploy in disasters to set up a unified command with state officials and to direct federal operations, the report says. But by 2004, the readiness of FEMA’s emergency response teams “had plummeted dramatically,” the report says. “Funding for the teams dried up after 2002. They lost their dedicated communications equipment… . Team training and exercises ceased.” FEMA officials warned that the teams were unprepared, the report says, but “it appears no actions were taken to address the problems.” The combination of staffing, training and other problems at FEMA are not the only management breakdowns described in the House report ( http://www.katrina.house.gov and http://www.reform.house.gov ). The report, written by House Republican members and aides, shows Homeland Security unable to execute plans, coordinate operations or set up a clear chain of command and control. Yesterday, Davis said Katrina demonstrated that “we’re still not fully prepared,” despite efforts to improve emergency responses at all levels of government after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Davis criticized the government for a “failure of initiative,” “a failure of agility” and “organizational inertia.” Other House Republicans deplored what Rep. Sue Myrick (N.C.) called “the bureaucratic mess” at Homeland Security and FEMA.

Andy keeps saying they will kill us all. Another 9/11 is coming. We obviously can’t depend on this administration in an emergency. So how have they made you secure Andy?

By finch

February 17, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

” …the notion that people have a right not to be offended is indisputably the invention of the Left.”

What? So it’s the left that tries to crack down on “offensive” TV shows, books, Playboy and Mad Magazine, music, Howard Stern, “Brokeback Mountain”, etc.? And it’s the left that works to smother every political and artistic idea that doesn’t conform to a Norman Rockwell ideal?

Why, I had no idea!!!

By 1A

February 17, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Are there any liberties that you won’t go after Andy. You little commie.

By finch

February 17, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

It seems Fox News has actualy raised the spectre of a drunk Cheney wounding his elderly friend.

Too funny!

By MikeT

February 17, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Andy is not hitting on you too is he Eric? Andy I hope we have something special. You are not a butterfly boy are you?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

1A: Thanks for the easy question- By collecting information on you kook liberal moonbats.

Here is what you consider to be more “efficient” and I don’t have to waste megs of bandwith to get my point across.

Eric: Plus I’m calling you a sissy, the nerve of me.

By buff

February 17, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Say, in ‘78, or so, the political satirist P.J. O’Rourke did a piece for National Lampoon Magazine entitled “Foreigners Around the World”

Google it, and enjoy

Be advised it is insensitive, racist, etc, but funny as hell

Especially hilarious is the bit about Africans, Canadians, French, Greeks and English

By MikeT

February 17, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Andy why are you calling people “sissies”? Are you infering that someone else is gay as if you are turning on your own kind. You are gay too Andy. Sometime I just don’t understand your attitudes.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

New Terrorism Report Questions Threat Domestic terrorism, as opposed to cross-border, international terrorism, was the main threat worldwide in 2005 and it was mostly confined to the Middle East. What is more, Muslims were the prime victims of terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam. The political scientists also wanted to conclude from their numbers that “In view of the number of international terrorist attacks and victims, it is difficult to uphold the view that international terrorism represents a major existential threat. International terrorism is more of a challenge than a threat.”

The authors conclude that “Contrary to widespread belief, it is not international but domestic terrorism that presents the gravest danger. Moreover, instead of being a threat of a global nature, terrorism is largely concentrated within one region, the Middle East.” Posted at 09:30 AM ET, 02/10/2006Consider the following: • In 2005, there were 266 international terrorist incidents and 443 “casualties” from international terrorism, a decline from 393 incidents and 733 casualties in 2004. • In 2005, almost nine out of 10 victims of international terrorism were in Iraq and Jordan. Though there were 192 victims of terrorism in Western Europe in 2004, there were none in 2005. There was a slight decline in the number of victims in Iraq in 2005 compared with 2004. • Domestic terrorism is significantly increasing, yielding almost 20 times as many incidents and casualties as international terrorism in 2005. The number of incidents and fatalities increased by ninety and sixty percent, respectively between 2005 and 2004. There were 4,217 domestic terrorist incident in 2005 vs. 2,247 in 2004 and 7,041 casualties in 2005 vs. 4,333 casualties in 2004. • In 2005, Iraqi Sunni and jihadi groups were responsible for 80 percent of all victims of domestic terrorism

Finally, the authors say that “The Iraq war has drastically boosted terrorism, instead of lessening it.”

By 1A

February 17, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Andy’s heroes can’t even be honest when it comes to science. Yet they are the champions of freedom and democracy the world over. The evidence says not.

NASA to Draft New Rules for Media Office By Guy Gugliotta Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, February 17, 2006; Page A09 NASA Administrator Michael D. Griffin said yesterday he has convened a team of scientists and public information officials to draft new guidelines to ensure that news of agency research or events will not be tailored or curtailed to reflect political or ideological bias. In his clearest statement yet regarding accusations that NASA public relations officials had manipulated news releases or reports involving climate change and cosmology, Griffin told reporters that “it is not appropriate for scientists to be required to adjust, spin or alter their scientific work to fit any particular political agenda.” Although Boehlert and other House members mentioned NASA’s public information difficulties in opening statements, they asked Griffin no questions about the accusations that arose in January when scientist James E. Hansen charged that the agency’s press office was restricting his efforts to publicly discuss climate change. In response to Hansen’s assertions, Griffin earlier this month e-mailed employees vowing to respect scientific openness. On Feb. 10, NASA spokesman George C. Deutsch, a political appointee, resigned after allegations he had edited a scientist’s press release on cosmology to conform to administration views. Griffin told reporters after yesterday’s hearing that he has made it a policy that “technical people within NASA are not only allowed to speak their minds … we beg them to speak their minds.”

By Andy

February 17, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

1A: You might want to look at the 2006 statistics for terrorism, you seem to have, er, overlooked them, but they show a very promising decline.

We are talking about the same NASA that, because of pressure from you kook pinkos, went to an “environmentally friendly” foam on the shuttle fuel tank, which caused it to blow up, killing seven innocent astronauts. Now you loonies want us to give you a chance to work your magic on Planet Earth? I think not.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

1A says, * Your mentallity is that of the old commissars they had in the communist block nations or present day Cuba.*

Who do you think is populating the average “peace march” and “anti-globalist” rally?

By 1A

February 17, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Could this be why the “wardrums” are beating so loudly in regard to Iran now. Once the Chinese have interests this big in Iran there will be absolutely nothing that we can do. China is the big threat, not terrorism. And they will surely veto any sanctions imposed on Iran as well.

Reports: China, Iran Near Huge Oil Deal

By ELAINE KURTENBACH, AP Business Writer 1 hour, 58 minutes ago SHANGHAI, China - China and

Iran are close to setting plans to develop Iran’s Yadavaran oil field, according to published reports, in a multibillion-dollar deal that comes as Tehran faces the prospect of sanctions over its nuclear program.

The deal is thought potentially to be worth about $100 billion. According to Caijing, a respected financial magazine, a Chinese government delegation is due to visit Iran as early as March to formally sign an agreement allowing China Petrochemical Corp., also known as Sinopec, to develop Yadavaran. The Wall Street Journal also reported in Friday’s editions that the two sides are trying to conclude the deal in coming weeks before potential sanctions are imposed on Iran for its nuclear ambitions. The report cited unnamed Iranian oil ministry officials familiar with the talks.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Leave it to the Washington press corps to make a story about what could have been an awful personal tragedy and was still wrenching — with Harry Wittington’s life in jeopardy, and Cheney burdened with the guilt of having shot a friend — all about themselves. Instead of learning of the story Saturday night, they had to wait until Sunday afternoon, and that ignited their rage. Worse, the story broke in the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. Wrong Times. The Corpus Christi paper doesn’t belong to The Club and doesn’t, like the other Times, employ a host of reporters reflexively hostile to the Bush administration and obsessed with the latest Beltway minutia.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Obviously Andy you missed the stats that showed the huge increase in domestic terrorism, particularly in Iraq.

Interestingly enough now there are death squads running amuck in Iraq. Shades of El Salvador. The version of freedom and democracy the Iraqis are getting is probably not what they envisioned.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

1A: Wrong again, this deal has been in the works since at least 2003:

According to the Department of Energy (DoE), Iran supplied 14% of China’s oil imports in 2003, and is expected to provide an even larger share in the future …

I thought most people could figure out on their own that the reason the war drums are beating would be like, Iran building a nuclear weapon? Maybe that they have already threatened a sovereign nation with it? I guess you can’t a-ssume anything with these goofball liberals…

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

*”If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed.” - Benjamin Franklin *

[Political correctness] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness) and [Political correctness+marxism] (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Marxism%2Bpolitical+correctness&btnG=Search)

One thing is certain: These are not “conservative” ideas.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

1A: You want to show me those statistics, since I haven’t seen them, or is dropping a vaque reference to something only you know about good enough?

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Hate to laugh in the midst of such a serious discussion. But….

I loved your picture from 6:25 this morning. So imposing. Made me want to cut down a cherry tree. Could we put up a monument for you?

By 1A

February 17, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

It is interesting to compare record in the war on terrorism to the previous administration.

Clinton: prevented terrorist attacks on the United Nations. Prevented terrorist attacks on the holland Tunnel. Prevented terrorist attacks on the Lincoln Tunnel. Prevented the hijacking of planes by terrorists in the Phillipines that planned to attack targets on the U.S. west coast. Apprhended, tried and convicted Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman and nine members of his cell for the 1st World Trade Center Bombing.

Bush: 9/11. Domestic terrorism drastically increases in Iraq and the Middle East.

GOOD JOB DUBYA!

By Andy

February 17, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Dusty: Hey, look at what I “drive” to work everyday.

By John

February 17, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

1A~You can spout as much revisionist (omitting) history as you want, but the fact remains Clinton was offered bin Ladin on a silver platter and he p*d out as usual. You might expect that from a draft dodging/commie agitator whose future wife was Saul Alisnky’s protege; but to hear her complain that Bush didn’t get the “tallest man in Afghanistan” is nothing less than gross and infuriating for those who were serving or lost someone on that day.

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Wow, Andy,

I bet that is faster than my son’s new Kawasaki.

Does Martha do any back seat driving in your little vehicle?

By 1A

February 17, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Andy you can read but obviously have no analytical powers whatsoever.

When is the deal being signed. Next month. When did the wardrums beating intensify? January. Why. Because once the Chinese are there the Bush administration won’t have the BALLS to deal with Iraq. They are trying to sell it before China puts Chinese feet on the ground there.

Too bad Rush can’t teach you to think.

By BC

February 17, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Another Andy lie. They don’t let morons fly fighter aircraft.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

1A Obviously Andy you missed the stats that showed the huge increase in domestic terrorism, particularly in Iraq.

So, I guess they’re not “freedom fighters” aka “insurgents” any more. When they fight American forces they are “freedom fighters”, but when they fight Iraqis they are “domestic terrorists” who operate “death squads”.

[link here] (http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1110917241.shtm)

I know about the “Iraqi death squads” that are in the news. I just want to understand the difference in terminology.

Give me nuance.

By BC

February 17, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

John Wayne Gacy and Andy. Of the same same persuasion and republi-cons both.

By John

February 17, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

The “useful idiots” strategy, no offense to the idiots on the blog, has-make that had- payed off for Hussien and his proxies. Coming to an end on friday (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48858)

By John

February 17, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

[http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48858]

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Why aren’t my links working? Andy, what’s your secret? Help!

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

To everyone who met him, John Wayne Gacy seemed a likable and affable man. He was widely respected in the community, charming and easy to get along with. He was a good Catholic and sharp businessman who, when not running his construction company was active in the Jaycees and was also a Democratic Party precinct captain, when he had his photo taken with then First Lady, Rosalynn Carter. He also spent much of his free time hosting elaborate street parties for his friends and neighbors, serving in community groups and entertaining children as “Pogo the Clown”. He was a generous, hard working, friendly, devoted family man, everyone knew that — but that was the side of John Wayne Gacy that he allowed people to see.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

BC -

You really are an idiot, and not even a very useful one. RW put the lie to that myth days ago.

By Midori

February 17, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Where’s Buff?

I feel like flirting :)

By John

February 17, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Ok, I’m new to the format. How does one post an active link to a URL? Doesn’t seem to work with what’s described by AJC?

By 1A

February 17, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

9/11 was on GW’s watch. Spin that.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

John - I’m having the same problem today.

Thanks for the WND link. GREAT stuff.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

And Bush got 3,000 people killed in the Twin Towers because he was asleep at the wheel. Maybe he was obsessing on Iraq and just couldn’t be bothered by something so distracting as good intel on coming attacks on American soil.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Andy - I’ve been doing that, but it isn’t working.

BTW, for future reference, “pussycat” does work.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

John,

Follow Andy’s instruction above.

Buy Danish,

I think ml’s computer is just picking on you. I don’t see anything wrong in the ones you are putting up.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

1A: jimmy Carter had more to do with 9/11 than George Bush did. Spin that. He forever made us look like p-ussy (<—-learnin) in the eyes of fanatical Islamic killers everywhere.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

And how did he do that Andy. Gives us a history lesson.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

Dusty: Someday I will have to give you a ride on my “yacht.”

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Let me get this one straight. This Andy character says Jimmy Carter is to blame for 9/11. He left office in 1980. Since then there have been 4 presidents. Three of them Republican and the attack happens on Dumya’s watch. How in the hell does Jimmy Carter get the blame. What were the other presidents doing? Reagan (R) Bush (R) Clinton (D) and baby Bush (R).

Andy that has got to be the dumbest post I have ever seen on this blog. Are you stupid?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

1A: Caution! This will involve a little bit of reasearch!:

Jimmy Carter Library and Museum

The Hostage Crisis in Iran

And then came a man named Reagan…

By John

February 17, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

*By 1A

February 17, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

9/11 was on GW’s watch. Spin that.*

A verrrry simple analogy:

A mass muderer is caught and HELD in Alabama but his crimes were committed in Florida. For some very unknown reason, Florida passes on the opportunity to recieve him from extradition so he is let go.

Some time passes. A new administration takes over in Florida. The next day, the serial killer strikes again.

Where does the highest degree of fault lie? If you don’t answer this properly, please., please never practice law. Oh and don’t let the cognitive dissonance bite you in the a*.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

OK John. Now that we know you watch the court channel, tell us why pre-911 intel was totally ignored by the Bush administration.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Alright, never mind, I don’t feel like extrapolating for you pinkos how Jimmy should have slaughtered those Iranians and sent a clear, unmistakable message to these killers 25 years ago, I take back that last accusation blaming Carter and instead I will go back to blaming Clinton for it. My bad.

By John

February 17, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Andy that has got to be the dumbest post I have ever seen on this blog. Are you stupid?

Actually Captain Rod, Andy probably just has a grasp on the march of history, the “dialectic” if you will, that might befuddle you.

Carter allowed the Islamic revolution to begin. Many geopolitical strategists of the time knew where it would lead. 9/11 was a cake walk compared to what he has ultimately let out of the bottle.

By getalife

February 17, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Uh oh Mike

By Andy

February 17, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

The people that the libs are always fighting for:

16-2: We will drink the blood of the Jews Scroll down to the link.

By John

February 17, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

OK John. Now that we know you watch the court channel, tell us why pre-911 intel was totally ignored by the Bush administration.

You might want to lay out the EXACT evidence of WHAT intel was there, then also tell me how he would have circumvented the the Dems, ACLU and civil libertarians before the Patriot Act and the congressional resolutions were enacted to execute the proper action.

You guys can’t have it both ways.

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

One thing that can’t be disputed. The friendly body count under Bush far surpasses that of Carter, Reagan, BushI, and Clinton combined. 3000 from 9/11, aproximately 1100 from Katrina, and if you don’t count GI’s in Iraq and Iraqi citizens, that comes to about 4100. We all know that Chertoff and Brown were asleep when Katrina rolled ashore. Bush was most likely snuggled up to Laura as well. Prior to Katrina this crowd had rolled FEMA into DHS practically neutering it. Prior to 9/11 GW was ignoring pre-9/11 intel that he should have been digesting and BAM. Osama claims his greatest coup on GW’s watch.

If you add GI deaths and Iraqi civilian deaths in GW’s war you got about 32500 + the 4100 from Katrina and 9/11 for a total of 39600 (approx).

Old GW sure knows how to keep us safe doesn’t he?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 17, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

*By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

One thing that can’t be disputed. The friendly body count under Bush far surpasses that of Carter, Reagan, BushI, and Clinton combined. 3000 from 9/11, aproximately 1100 from Katrina, and if you don’t count GI’s in Iraq and Iraqi citizens, that comes to about 4100. We all know that Chertoff and Brown were asleep when Katrina rolled ashore. Bush was most likely snuggled up to Laura as well. Prior to Katrina this crowd had rolled FEMA into DHS practically neutering it. Prior to 9/11 GW was ignoring pre-9/11 intel that he should have been digesting and BAM. Osama claims his greatest coup on GW’s watch.

If you add GI deaths and Iraqi civilian deaths in GW’s war you got about 32500 + the 4100 from Katrina and 9/11 for a total of 39600 (approx).

Old GW sure knows how to keep us safe doesn’t he?*

RW and Danish, it’s posts like these that make me see where you guys are coming from…

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

You guys have let your ideology blind you to the point that you are totally blind. You would let your children be molested and your mother raped if it was a Bushie doing the deed.

Anyway, 61% of the American people think they are doing a terrible job. After the 06 midterms alot of the Bush enablers will be gone and he can’t do any more damage between then and 08.

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I’d love a boatride but only if you let me “paddle” and wear water wings. Just my tsunami training in Brownie Scouts.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 17, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

Hey! Why wasn’t that italicized (sp?)

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

JaPoi,

It loses the formatting when you change paragraphs. You have to do each one individually.

By MikeT

February 17, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

Andy don’t forget our cam meet this afternoon.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

RW, but the links aren’t turning blue. I’m going to try again…

1A -

Getting down to brass tacks, you are are completely FOS. No pussyfooting around for me today. I’m tired of you POS’ rewriting history.

Did it take 9 months for Bin Laden to plan and execute 9/11? Just like a sweet little baby.

Bush is busy with Iraq? Too bad that Clinton was too busy with Lewinskys to respond to the numerous attacks that Andy outlined for your above.

Intelligence. What about the contributions of “The honorable Robert Torricelli”? Sen. Torricelli Played Key Role in Closing Down CIA Ops

What about wall between the FBI and the CIA, the brainchild of Clinton’s Jamie Gorelick? The beauty of this is that she helped Bin Laden and China! How Chinagate Led to 9/11

Tell me again what it is that Democrats do for our national security? Marching in “peace” rallys and circulating Communist manifestos doesn’t count.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 17, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Thanks RW, I shall proceed accordingly…

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

One thing that can’t be disputed. The friendly body count under Bush far surpasses that of Carter, Reagan, BushI, and Clinton combined. 3000 from 9/11, aproximately 1100 from Katrina, and if you don’t count GI’s in Iraq and Iraqi citizens, that comes to about 4100. We all know that Chertoff and Brown were asleep when Katrina rolled ashore. Bush was most likely snuggled up to Laura as well. Prior to Katrina this crowd had rolled FEMA into DHS practically neutering it. Prior to 9/11 GW was ignoring pre-9/11 intel that he should have been digesting and BAM. Osama claims his greatest coup on GW’s watch.

If you add GI deaths and Iraqi civilian deaths in GW’s war you got about 32500 + the 4100 from Katrina and 9/11 for a total of 39600 (approx).

Old GW sure knows how to keep us safe doesn’t he?

RW and Danish, it’s posts like these that make me see where you guys are coming from…

By getalife

February 17, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Whats a cam meet?

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

My lips hurt real bad.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Napo D,

Try typing with your fingers.

By Joe H

February 17, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Andy, Your penchant (look it up, if you don’t know the meaning) for the term pinko leads me to believe that you actually jack off to pictures of Joseph McCarthy. I don’t know how old you are, man; but boy, are you stuck in the ancient past, both verbally and socially! Get some new material!

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Will you bring me my chapstick?

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

J.A.P. says RW and Danish, it’s posts like these that make me see where you guys are coming from….

Captain Ron -

Are you the pirate on the Rum bottle? You may want to stay off the hootch and the doobies when you’re blogging. But if you insist on making bizarre connections,why stop with Katrina? Why not blame the Pakistan earthquake and the tsunamis on Bush? Oh, you already did?

While you’re on the subject of counting body counts, here’s some envirowacko results: [Without DDT, malaria bites back] (http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/000000005591.html)

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Give me some of your tots!

By Liberal Skank

February 17, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

I see the liberal circle jerk continues. Can I join in?

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

It’s a tragic comedy watching both sides argue over this issue. Everyone is so hell bent on pinning blame, and coming up with ridiculous numbers to somehow give their side the edge.

Get over it, the war is on, and there really is no point in debating how or why we are there. The reality of it is, NEITHER side has an answer or solution to ensuring this debacle doesn’t bite us in the a-ss. When the smoke clears, if it ever does, we are going to need real politicians to sort out the mess and make sure the damage is repaired. Damage to our country, our way of life and our democratic system.

We have dilluted the entire idea of a two-party system, and if Capitol Hill and D.C., are anything like this blog (and many others) we have a long way to go.

By the way, it’s naptime for you Romper Roomers.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Do you have any skills?

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

VOR -

Let’s make it simple: Iraq is no longer a threat. Iran is next.

If Sore Loser or Swift Boat were in charge the above would be a false statement.

We don’t need 3 parties. What we need is a country unified enough to -

A. Recongize a threat and B. Take appropriate action.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Joe H: With a nuclear Iran on the horizon, rioting Muslims burning down embassies all over the world and an 18 hour information gap with the vice presidential whereabouts, one would think you would have more worries than my usage of the word pinko.

Pinko Feminist Hellcat

Offending people is my right, not yours plebes!

By Andy

February 17, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Look Joe H, there’s all kinds of us, we’ve got you surrounded.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - To a lot of people, Iraq was never a threat. Well at least not since the early 90s. Instead of Iran being next, let’s focus a little energy on the REAL reason we are at war. That Osama what’s his name guy.

Admittedly, something needs to be done about Iran, but I doubt very seriously we need to start it. We definitely need to be a big part of an INTERNATIONAL Force.

You’re right, we don’t need three parties, we need two NEW ones. I say we tear it down and start over. 50-50 and 218-217. Let them work together and truly do what’s best for the country, not just their party.

And tearing it down will definitely help your last point. Neither party, nor this administration, has an eye for a threat. Iran and N. Korea were far bigger threats than Iraq - unless you are talking about personal threats - in that case we did the right thing.

And I don’t think we took “appropriate” action with the lesser of the threats. Action yes, but definitely not appropriate action.

By Liberal Skank

February 17, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

VOR do you have mild retardation?

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

Liberal Skank - No retardation, but YOUR retardation may confuse my post as intellect.

By getalife

February 17, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

Andrew

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Voice of Reason,

You need to change your title. The current one is not suitable.

While you run around like a dog chasing its tail, looking for a strong leader, why don’t you support the one you have, George W. Bush? He is fighting terrorism whether you noticed or not. And dealing with obstructive liberal congressmen and politicians at every turn.

Keep talking about a futuristic International Force. Like the UN, I suppose. Have you heard the latest news today? In the city of Peshawar, Pakistan a million dollar bounty has been offered for the assassination of the Danish cartoonist. One fourth of that bounty was offered by the friendly Muslims at the local mosque.

Our president is leading the fight against terrorists NOW. You really should help since such fanatics want to kill, not only cartoonists, but YOU & me NOW.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Vor - We definitely need to be a big part of an INTERNATIONAL Force.

That would be nice.

Since they’re being blackmailed by agents of Iran on their own shores, do you think they’ll have the courage to act this time?

Neither party, nor this administration, has an eye for a threat.

I beg to differ. The dems know what the threat is - its W, Cheney and Rove.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Chicks dig guys with skills.

By Brian Curtis

February 17, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Fighting terrorists? I thought he was fighting the Constitution; or else he thinks he’s already defeated it….

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis - What has Bush done to you lately? You seem concerned that your rights are being violated.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Does Bush have any skills?

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Dusty - Of course reason eludes you. I am well aware of where my tail is and has been. George W. Bush is not a strong leader. Stubborn is not a leadership trait that I am aware of. Reason prevents you from seeing that he is not fighting terrorism, but swatting at flies. A true leader knows you can’t fight terrorism you can only prevent it. There are far more economical and effective ways of preventing terrorism.

Of course he is fighting liberal congressman. Too bad his fight against congressmen is more effective than his war or terror. Maybe he should focus more on both sides of the isle and bring honesty back to the government like he suggested. Right now, not too much is happening. The first step in change is looking in the mirror.

But you are right Dusty, let’s throw another billion dollars at Pakistan to get rid of one cleric. I’m sure the people of Pakistan would love an even more miserable infrastructure because our feelings are hurt by bad words.

I have done my part in the war or terror. 13 months in the middle east, where I got to witness first hand how affective your leader’s war is. What is your part, defending the president regardless of the failure of his crusade?

By getalife

February 17, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Noob

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Nunchak skills…..?

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

I am not surprised at what you thought he was fighting. When you wake up at Sleepy Hollow, you will find that America is at war and the president is leading.

But, as Buy Danish said:The dems know what the threat is-its W., Cheney and Rove,

Oh, yeah.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - Reforming the U.N. is the whole reason Bolton got a recess appointment, but I haven’t heard much about his progress. Besides, I think we have a lot more international support for dealing with Iran, regardless of the U.N.

I don’t know what Dems consider a threat. It seems like it IS the three you mentioned. In a truly democratic society, no one branch should present a threat to any party. I don’t support any one side because neither has my best interest in mind as far as I’m concerned. Both are chock full of idiots.

By Mad As Zell

February 17, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Liberal congressman and politicians aren’t obstructionist…they’re annoying little treasonous roaches that need to be stepped on and exterminated. Anybody know the number of a good PEST CONTROL SPECIALIST?

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Bow-hunting skills….?

By Mad As Zell

February 17, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

A call to the Orkin man and a 30 billion-gallon drum of Raid should clear right up that problem of that rat-infested roach motel called the Democratic Party. Jimmy Carter, Lowery, Teddy Kennedy, Harry Belafonte, John Kerry and the rest of those french-speaking, America-hating traitors can burn and rot in hell as far as I’m concerned.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Computer-hacking skills…..?

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Voice of Something’r’other,

I appreciate your time in Iraq if it was in the military. Were you shot in the head? Something is wrong here.

The war in Iraq is “swatting at flies”? That would be ludicrous if it were not so sad and disfunctional.

We are not throwing one million dollars at Pakistan to get rid of one cleric. What are you talking about? Are you referring to the aid we are giving to frozen Pakis in the Himalaya earthquake zone?

As to my part? Yes, I am supporting the president and this country in the “crusade” against terrorism. Why did you QUIT?

I am not eliglble for military service, in case you want to insinuate something else. Don’t bother.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Cheney Shooting Victim: Accidents Happen

The hunter shot by Dick Cheney said Friday that “accidents do and will happen” and said he is sorry for all the hullabaloo and scrutiny the incident has brought upon the vice president and his family.

“This past weekend encompassed all of us in a cloud of misfortune and a sadness that is not easy to explain, especially to those who are not familiar with the great sport of quail hunting,” said Austin attorney Harry Whittington. “We all assume certain risks in whatever we do … accidents do and will happen and that’s what happened.”

By Brian Curtis

February 17, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

“This has been one of the worst days in my life,” Cheney commented with a passable attempt at regret. (Impressive, given his unfamiliarity with the emotion.)

“Yeah, it was… gasp… no picnic for me either,” Mr. Whittington was quoted as replying from his hospital bed.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Dusty - My time in Iraq was in the military, and no, I wasn’t shot in the head. That doesn’t make your sick attempt at humor any funnier.

The war in Iraq IS swatting at flies because for every “terrorist” we kill, 5 more take his place. Maybe you should do a little research and figure out WHY terrorist hate us and want to kill us. Then you will see why no amount of war is going to end it.

I was not referring to aid for the Himalayas. I guess I was kind of taken aback and trying to figure out what a cleric calling for the head of a cartoonist had to do with terrorism? Bush’s answer seems to be war, so why not send in the calvary to protect Americans from getting a muslim bounty put on their head.

At least you recognize it as a crusade. Just because I don’t believe on our reason for being there, doesn’t mean I don’t support the military and their mission. I don’t have to praise your almighty Bush to have a part.

I had no plans on insinuating anything. You questioned my role in fighting terrorism, I just wanted to know yours. You’re doing a hell of a job, Pom-Poms and all.

By Brian Curtis

February 17, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

Dusty: That’s funny stuff! “Fighting terrorists” indeed. Yep, we were attacked by Saudi Arabians hiding out in Afghanistan…

…so we attacked Iraq. Looks like Dubya’s aim is as bad as Deadeye Dick’s.

But then, close does count in horseshoes and hand grenades, after all. How close is Iraq to the terrorists, anyway? Any chance a few will get hit by some crossfire, in between the civilians?

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Did the QUAILS have large talons?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Boy I sure would like to see this statement backed up: The war in Iraq IS swatting at flies because for every “terrorist�? we kill, 5 more take his place. For someone who has supposedly “been there” that sure is saying something that is out there.

Maybe you should do a little research and figure out WHY terrorist hate us and want to kill us. Maybe because we shove homosexuality down everybody’s throats? We advocate adultery without shame or humility? Abortion? Teenage sex movies?

By Midori

February 17, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

“Cowboys and hunters, lest we forget, in the American mythology are white archetypes, too.

The Republican Party snatched the mantle of “party of white supremacy” from the southern Democrats with Nixon’s Southern Strategy. But it was also the mantle of white male supremacy.

White men with big hats and guns have seldom been a welcome sight to Black men or women.

Dick Cheney loves photo ops with guns, whether accepting a Dan’l Boone muzzle-loader at an NRA Convention or having the cameras chase him around while he shoots farm-raised animals on hunting preserves. Cheney shot 70 confined, semi-domesticated pheasants in one day at the Rolling Rock Club and Game Preserve in Pennsylvania, a place for men who wear those power suits to demonstrate their ability to kill and dress up like “woodsmen.”

However pathological the macho death-cult of guns is in this country, the people who have taken the trouble to learn anything about firearms at all now know that Cheney is what my dad used to call a pig-hunter and a fool that traipsed around after his “one beer” lunch on the quail preserve with his finger on the trigger. He’s no more a hunter than Bush is a cowboy.

He’s just another stupid, pampered, autocratic narcissist like Bush — b****** his way through high office — and leaving bodies in his wake with as little concern for them as he does for 70 pheasants. In the age of postmodern politics, when the impression is sovereign, the gendered spell is broken for a moment when the costume slips.

That’s why I relish every jibe and joke, and I hope people milk this incident for all its worth. I oppose male power, and white power, and the reign of narcissists. With every grant of legitimacy, we grant power. Ridicule is a potent political weapon. It is a form of resistance.”

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

I swear I didn’t tell anybody you shoved it down my throat, Andy. Gosh.

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis, that was beautiful. I am also a combat vet and know plenty of other high ranking military officers and retired officers that think this administration has taken this country down the wrong path and fights the wrong wars for the wrong reasons. They are also digging a hole that the military is not going to be able to fight its way out of.

Your last paragraph said it all.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

By the way Dusty - When did I ever say I didn’t support the war on terror? I’m starting to see how people here twist everything.

By Midori

February 17, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis

for you :)

By Mad As Zell

February 17, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Shrill Voice for No Reason: Instead of constructively using your energy to fight the War on Terror most of you liberals are too busy destroying this country by enabling terrorists by going abroad and denouncing the US in front our enemies. Like Al Gore did in Saudi Arabia and the almost endless line of liberals led by Harry Belafonte did in Venezula.

Until you libs can learn how to stop going abroad and denouncing America to some of her worst enemies, maybe you and the rest of the traitors in the Donkey A** Party just need to shut up!

By Andy

February 17, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Any chance a few will get hit by some crossfire, in between the civilians? Another wonderful bit of wisdom from the moonbat left. Let’s see if the other pinko “veterans” call this POS on his BS statement. Let’s see if these left wing hero’s tell us about how American soldiers have been killed because they showed restraint with civilians.

By Brian Curtis

February 17, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Midori, Ron. When the country’s headed for heck in a handbasket, you might as well enjoy the scenery on the way down!

By Andy

February 17, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Semi domesticated pheasants? You got to be freakin kidding me, right?

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Mad as Zell - When did I say I was fighting against the war on terror. Just because I think it was a bad idea, doesn’t mean I don’t support it. Maybe you are confused because I don’t bow down to Bush.

Andy - What do you think happens when we kill someone’s brother or father? What do you think people that already hate us do when we kill their friends and family? Do you think all of these “insurgents” were in Iraq when we got there?

There hate for us goes far beyond homosexuality and our way of life. They hate us because of our policies and our insistence to “involve” ourselves in their affairs. Basically they hate us because we think we are better than everybody else. It is THAT hate that will fuel terrorism long after the war is over. Unless you think we are going to kill them all Andy.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Do the pheasants have large talons?

By MikeT

February 17, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Napo D, does Andy have another boyfriend? One he hasn’t told me about? Do you cam with him too?

Andy are you promiscuous?

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

By the way Zell. I don’t claim affiliation to either party, but if you are a conservative, being called a liberal is an honor. THANKS

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Voice’r’something,

I wasn’t being humorous about you being shot in the head. I was thinking of excuses.

After 9/11, I didn’t have to study Muslim terrorist to know something about them. The Wahabi school of Muslim thought is to rid the world of infidels. For them, that is us.

You need better comprehension. Read the news reports and maybe you can get the million dollar bounty straight in your mind.

Yep, I wave those red, white and blue poms poms a lot. Go, Bush, go. You’re a winner and I am right here on the American team.

Good ol’shows of patriotism get you down, don’t they?

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

VOR,

It’s actually a little simpler than that. They hate us because we exist. Sadly a large number of people in this country are more than willing to slide right into dhimmitude.

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Hi Midori, charming as ever I see. Enjoy your comments even if we may often disagree. Since you sound to be a woman of color, what do you think of Condi Rice; sell-out or shrewd player?

For other pinko vets who may be interested, R. lee Ermy is showing “Ermy’s Vietnam” tonight on “Mail Call” @9pm on the “History” channel. Andy, you’ll love this one (seriously). Ermy is, of course, the Marine drill sargeant from “Full Metal Jacket” (and a former real DI). We came away from the conflict with different perspectives but damn you gotta admire a guy with this kinda semper fi.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Well, I think it’s getting pretty serious, Andy and me. We chat online for like two hours a day so yeah, you could say it’s getting pretty serious.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

VOR: Then why did Zaqari send his second in command and his wife to die in the Jordanian suicide bombing?

If our society had even the slightest bit of modesty it would go along way towards soothing things over with Islam. Maybe we could like talk about meeting in the middle? You know, promise them that if they let Miss Islam out of her burqa we wont try to make her a porn star. The simple, conciliatory things.

As it is now, it’s our right to parade down the middle of the street, make movies, do sick bizarre reviews of gay films in family newspapers. Why? Is filth that important to us now?

By Mad As Zell

February 17, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Midori, let me get this right: Dick Chaney is a racist male chauvinist white supremacist just because he likes to go quail hunting? Looks like you can’t make up your mind as to whether you want to be a race-baiting black racist or a male-hating feminist. So I guess Bush and Cheney are supposed to be like Hitler because they are white males who like to hunt?

Talk about overtly playing the race card…angry, disrespectful, treasonous rhetoric like that is why Democrats are going to stay in the political wilderness. Will somebody please tell me when was the last time they saw Bush and Cheney riding around in white KKK robe yelling over a loud speaker for the extermination and enslavement of all people of color?

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

MikeT and Napo D. Is Andy really gay?

By MikeT

February 17, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Yes. I met him in a yahoo group and we started IMing and camming. I found out that he blogs here and when I get here I see him gaybaiting and all that other stuff. He is flaming gay in the other group but poses as straight here. It kinda p** me off. You should see the things that go on in the group with Andy and on the cam.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

He is like the only guy at school who has a mustache. And he has a sweet bike.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Dusty - I don’t need excuses, but thanks for trying. But I see why your understanding of terrorism is foggy, you got all of your information post 9/11 from the president. That makes sense, so I’ll cut you some slack.

I know how much the bounty was. That still doesn’t equate it terrorism. With your rationale, we need to raise a war on christianity because Pat Robertson said we should kill Chavez. Although, I don’t think he threw out the million dollars.

Patriotism doesn’t get me down dear confused one. My level of patriotism, and those who served before me, afforded you the opportunity to be a cheerleader. So no, it doesn’t get me down … I’m actually pretty proud of it. But you’re right about one thing, your patriotism is just that, a SHOW.

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Jeez, the worst insult we can come up with today is “gay”. What, are we going to start comparing pecker sizes next? If so, who knows, you may come up “short”.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

MikeT: You should be able to share some of that with us, if it was true, that is.

You liberals have to be gay because real women don’t want to have anything to do with your weak kneed sissy little a-sses. They want real men, not freaking weirdos. Enjoy it!

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

Andy - You stretch way to far dude. You think they flew planes into buildings because we watch pornos and let our women wear bikinis? Good Lord!

By MikeT

February 17, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

If our society had even the slightest bit of modesty it would go along way towards soothing things over with Islam. Maybe we could like talk about meeting in the middle? You know, promise them that if they let Miss Islam out of her burqa we wont try to make her a porn star. The simple, conciliatory things.

As it is now, it’s our right to parade down the middle of the street, make movies, do sick bizarre reviews of gay films in family newspapers. Why? Is filth that important to us now?

This is what I’m talking about. Andy spends time with me everyday having gay cybersex over the webcam and then comes here with this. People are right to call Andy a hypocrite about alot of things.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

VOR: You know what sharia law is?

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

Quote of the hour: * A true leader knows you can’t fight terrorism you can only prevent it.*

Dusty -

I’m starting to believe in U.F.O.s. They have landed, and Captain Ron is steering the ship for his crew, Voice of Reason, Brian Curtis, Midori, and other visitors from outerspace.

We have nothing to fear, as these alien warriors are ready to battle evil

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Andy - Something about Allah being the law. Pretty much their way of life before the 19th century.

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

VOR, it is not uncommon for real warriors to fight and die so that those like Dusty can stand on the sidelineand be free to support whatever they choose. But it is sickening that the protected “cheerleader” types turn on the real warriors like rabid dogs when the warriors express a different opinion than theirs. Go figure.

By Mad As Zell

February 17, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical: liberals would lose in a pecker size contest also because most of them are just a bunch of small pr*cks anyway

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Ooooo, what a mental image. MikeT and Andy locked tail to johnson in an intimate embrace through gay cybersex. Which way do you swing MikeT; giver or taker?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

VOR: Forgive me for not being able to give you a link right now, but there is a film out that shows exactly what the punishment for adultery in Iran is. They bury you in the ground so you can’t move and throw stones at you. It takes a while for death to come.

Yes, we have incited these savages by the things we do, there is no doubt about it. For what other reason would they hate us? They see us as a threat to their religion, infidels, which they take very seriously. Look at what a few simple cartoons has created.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Pedro offers you his protection.

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Dusty the mighty chairborn warrior has spoken. The Mrs. Cheney of the blog. How about doing something useful Dusty and see if you can use your charms to make Andy go straight. Of course that is most likely a battle that can’t be won. When you’ve had a few bullets launched your way Dusty, come back and talk like a bda-ss. Until then do what you do best. Cheerlead.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Captain Ron - I know exactly what their deal is. It would be sickening if it wasn’t so funny. It’s even funnier to me that they think supporting Bush is supporting the war. What’s even funnier was when I came back, my wife had video taped his million dollar inaugaration party. He was having a good ole time while we were riding through the desert and sitting in sand storms. Go Bush!

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

And what do they do to gays Andy. I’m sure that you’ve google searched it just in case things get so bad Bush has to conscript unemployed gay bloggers like you.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Andy - I’ll do more digging on Sharia Law because my understanding is vague at best. They see us as a threat because we are in their face, so to speak, telling them they are f-ucked up. (Not that they aren’t). To them we involve ourselves in their affairs.

If we TRULY wanted to fight them. Protect our homeland and leave them to the wasteland they have created. Cut all ties and watch them suffer. Without the U.S. dollar and U.S. support, they would have nothing, and no means of attacking us. Make our borders more secure, make it damn near impossible for them live here, work here and become ‘part of our society.’

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Does Dusty have large talons?

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Capt Ron: You know that psychologists tell us that the things that annoy us in others are our own faults that we see in them. We can forgive them their faults but not our own.

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

Voice’r’something,

Don’t cut me any slack because I don’t need it or want any from you. My immediate family has veterans so you can stop the “I know better” attitude.

You still don’t get the million dollar bounty, do you? A MUSLIM MOSQUE offered a bounty of one million for the ASSASSINATION of a cartoonist in Denmark. You may consider that an invitation to a picnic but I don’t. It is a” strike-terror” propaganda move announced to the world, Einstein.

Are you getting your information by Pony Express? I got info about 9/11 from every news source known to man but not a single personal call or letter from the Prez. Guess he missed me.

What fun to prattle on about your errr patriotism. Whatever. But it is bread and milk time. Snow coming. Bye.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 17, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

VOR: You know what sharia law is?

Which part of Sharia would you like clarification on? In Israel we can study Islamic law (know you enemy) and I have a pretty good grounding in the basics…

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Latest quote from the spaceship:

When did I say I was fighting against the war on terror. Just because I think it was a bad idea, doesn’t mean I don’t support it.

Sounds an awful lot like Swift Boat himself. Its the nuance that gives it away. Come clean VOR, we know who you are now!

RW - Speaking of dhimmitude

And finch thinks I exaggerate!

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

I just hate chairborn commandos Anti-Radical. They are all for fighting and killing when it’s not them risking their lives. And at the same time they have no respect whatsoever for anyone elses right to disagree with them. They are some of the most unamerican people on this blog.

By clark

February 17, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Its funny, a Dem comes in here and says I’m against the war, and all the Conservatives say you sissy, traitor, pinko, Terrorist lover, etc. But its ok for them (Rep) to question Iraq vets. Its ok for them to question the patriotism of people who actually were in this war. LOL

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

And by the way Anti. My wife is a psychologist. Comes in handy sometime and I don’t have to pay the $120.00 an hour for the counseling session. Works out really well.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Dusty - There you go, get a little more irate because you are starting to NOT make sense.

I never gave you a know better attitude. You question my original post, and like most people you don’t like the answers. You question my patriotism and when I tell you about my patriotism you think I’m giving you a know-better attitude. I apologize if you are offended because my opinion doesn’t mirror yours.

Here’s a tip … get over yourself. I fully understand the million dollar bounty. WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND is how you use that situation to justify a war. And further how you consider it terrorism.

I don’t care where you get your information. The point is, you said you learned about terrorist because of 9/11. Guess what cupcake, terrorist were around long before then, and they are going to be around long afterward.

Read back, gather yourself, and if you have an intelligent response to my post saying,” *Get over it, the war is on, and there really is no point in debating how or why we are there. The reality of it is, NEITHER side has an answer or solution to ensuring this debacle doesn’t bite us in the a-ss. When the smoke clears, if it ever does, we are going to need real politicians to sort out the mess and make sure the damage is repaired. Damage to our country, our way of life and our democratic system.

We have dilluted the entire idea of a two-party system, and if Capitol Hill and D.C., are anything like this blog (and many others) we have a long way to go.*

Until then, bunker down from the snow, terrorist or whatever has your mind all f-ucked up.

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Sorry Dusty but the million dollar bounty thing is kinda hard to defend when we have so many multi-million dollar bounties of our own outstanding. Pot calling the kettle black, you know. If we condemn this act, we condemn ourselves. I personally think that was bad precendent for us to set even if it did get Hussein and his muderous sons (the biggest sickos of the whole affair)! This is one of those times that I think it should have been done the hard way, without payola, but then I think the whole thing was F-U-B-A-R from the get go.

By Captain Ron

February 17, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

If we TRULY wanted to fight them. Protect our homeland and leave them to the wasteland they have created. Cut all ties and watch them suffer. Without the U.S. dollar and U.S. support, they would have nothing, and no means of attacking us. Make our borders more secure, make it damn near impossible for them live here, work here and become ‘part of our society.’

That’s exactly how you win the war on terror. Thank you VOR.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - You are truly the peanut gallery. Twist it however you want to. Maybe you should look up at my original post then you and Dusty can get together and come up with an intelligent response that actually deals what what I SAY, not what retarded twist you choose to put on it.

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Capt Ron: It is how we treat the worst of us that defines us. I hope that you are able to incorporate this wisdom into your life, sounds like you’re almost there.

By Teddy K's Designated Driver

February 17, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Liberals seem to spend a lot of time fretting over “why they hate us”. They, of course, refers to Muslim fanatics (forgive the redundancy.)

A nationally syndicated columnist (whose name escapes me at the moment) pointed out several months ago that the reasons for radical Islam’s dislike/hatred of America extends far beyond our various foreign policies.

Specifically, many Muslims are disgusted by our crass, vulgar pop culture, as perpetuated by the likes of Hollywood, MTV, etc.

So, my question to the libs is this: are you willing to admit that perhaps some of the so-called “artists” whom you admire bear a portion of the reponsibility for our “negative” image in certain parts of the world?

By KZGUY

February 17, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Does anyone remember the look on Bush’s face when he was first informed about the 9/11 attack? One of his aides informed him while he sat there in that Florida classroom listening to the first graders read. He sat there another 10 minutes with that deer in the head lights look before another aide suggested it was time to leave.

If that wasn’t his finest hour then maybe when his said “Brownie you are doing a great job” on his first trip to New Orleans.

In the final analysis Bush will be compared to Nixon and Warren Harding if he is lucky.

By Dusty

February 17, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Uh, oh I’m closing still. My talons ARE red, white and blue and plenty sharp. My husband (a veteran) says that I am not Mrs. Cheney. I don’t have a white flag tied to my flagpole. I may go quail hunting. Any of you err..patriots want to go. Now, let me do something useful before I clean my rifle. Bye.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Some info on Sharia Law from Wikipedia. Most amusing:

In theory, Islamic law allows spouses to divorce at will, by clearly saying “I divorce you” three times in public. In practice divorce is more involved than this and state proceedings vary. In 2003, for example, a Malaysian court ruled that, under Sharia law, a man may divorce his wife via text messaging as long as the message was clear and unequivocal

And then there’s this which is less amusing:

Some states in northern Nigeria have reintroduced Sharia courts. In practice the new Sharia courts in Nigeria have most often meant the re-introduction of relatively harsh punishments without respecting the much tougher rules of evidence and testimony. The punishments include amputation of one/both hand(s) for theft and stoning for adultery. But overall the implementation of the Sharia law is meant to create a just society where the law and people live in harmony. Many Western views consider the punishments described above as harsh, but islamic scholars argue, that if implemented properly, these punishments will serve as a deterrent to crime

Maybe Al Gore plans to go to Nigeria next to explain about how WE abuse Muslims?

For a fuller picture go to

By Liberal Skank

February 17, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Probably the earliest flyswatters were nothing more than some sort of striking surface attached to the end of a long stick.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

By clark

February 17, 2006 03:28 PM

None of the Conservatives in here has questioned the patriotism of any Veterans, far from it. What has been called to question, is you lying sorry a-ss liberals coming in here and trying to dominate the debate by falsely telling everybody you “served.” It is not beneath a pinko at all to do something like that, you are the victim’s party after all. Plus you definitely can’t argue on merit.

I have not heard one person in here today that said they were a “veteran” that sounds like any soldiers I ever knew. Not even close. Matter a fact, they sound an awful lot like women and there haven’t been very many women that have seen combat.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

I’ve read a lot of the usual B.S. today (lib versus neo-con). However, very little has been said about ML’s toon.

Someone observed that the toon was disrespectful of the shooting victim. While I haven’t read every post, I did not see anything that came close to what ML was trying to say. It was certainly not disrespectful of the shooting victim. The White House did plenty of that with the “wearing orange” jokes.

ML simply used the shooting event as a segue into suggesting that the leader of the free world is not GWB, but Cheney himself. Now then, is Cheney’s hand the movement behind GWB’s mouth?

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Hey Andy,

I’m a veteran, a patriot, and a genuine American.

You, on the other hand, are nothing but a chronic bed-wetter. Never an original thought, a reasonable solution, only ignorance and hatred. You must hate the fact that the KKK has all but died out.

By AntiRadical

February 17, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Sunni Arab politicians claim death squads linked to the Shiite-led Interior Ministry have been kidnapping and killing Sunni civilians for months. The ministry denies the charge but announced an investigation Thursday after U.S. officials reported that 22 Iraqi policemen were arrested last month before they were able to kill a Sunni Arab man north of Baghdad. There are claims of hundreds of “disappeared” Sunnis.

Anybody remember the American installed and supported “Shah of Iran” prior to the Iranian revolution and his death squads? This was one of the major rallying cries of the Iranian populace prior to the fundamentalist Muslim assumption of Iranian government in the 70’s. The more it changes, the more it stays the same.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

DUH! Why you explain the subtle nuance behind a few more blatantly obvious things.

However, sometimes people don’t quite understand what others are saying.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

VOR:

Retarded twist? It was a direct quote from your 2:38 pm post.

I could quote you all day since you are such a fountain of quotable quotes, but I think we all get the picture.

Poor Swift Boat - He is continually haunted by his past utterances.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

This is as thoughtful and intelligent as the left gets, right here:

You, on the other hand, are nothing but a chronic bed-wetter. Never an original thought, a reasonable solution, only ignorance and hatred. You must hate the fact that the KKK has all but died out.

Marvel over it.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Andy, where did you see combat? On television?

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

Andy where did you serve?

By clark

February 17, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

This is as thoughtful and intelligent as the left gets, right here:

You liberals have to be gay because real women don’t want to have anything to do with your weak kneed sissy little a-sses. They want real men, not freaking weirdos. Enjoy it!

Marvel Over it.

By Napo D

February 17, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Andy, don’t be jealous that I’ve been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, you know I’m training to be a cage fighter.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Andy are you AWOL? We are waiting. Where did you see combat? Where did you serve?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

If a teenage girl with spina bifida who was confined to a wheelchair and was also blind, came to this blog and with help from a friend typed in a comment that said she was in favor of what George W Bush has done in Iraq, would you worthless liberals shout her down, yelling that she didn’t serve her country and she should shut up, what does she know? They sure would, how do they now they haven’t?

Conservatives, on the other hand, know that this is America and everyone has the right to speak their mind, guaranteed by the Constitution, regardless of whether they’ve seen combat or not.

It only makes a difference to the liberals in here because their argument sucks so badly, that they have to find someway, anyway to try and stop other people from speaking out.

They hate freedom and embrace censorship. And they lie to make it happen, giving themselves a status they haven’t earned. Disgusting.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

I would like one wing-nut to step up to the plate and reply to a CURRENT issue facing the USA.

If any of you actually read the AJC this week, you may have noticed an article written by David M. Walker. Mr. Walker is the Comptroller of the United States.

He observes that if a corporation was managed (financially) the way the U.S. was (is), it would be on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story on every newscast. While the article is somewhat lengthy, one statistic he notes is that the country’s accumulated liabilities and unfunded commitments have risen from $20 trillion at the end of FY 2000 to more than $46 trillion now.

Now then…GWB has not vetoed a single spending bill since he became president (actually, he has not vetoed anything to date). Ronald Reagan AND the GWB’s father BOTH vetoed the Federal Highway spending bills because there was too much pork in them. GWB’s highway spending bill was the largest in history, but it sailed through Congress.

There are those who argue that the USSR lost the cold war because they went bankrupt. Is the same thing happening to the USA with China the ultimate victor. Are GWB and the Republican Congress personally handing this country over to Communist China?

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Where is Andy?

Are you a combat vet Andy? Where did you serve?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

The 7th Infantry Division, you little punk sissy mommy teat sucking punk. Any other questions, b-itch?

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

RW -

Do you think N-GA is one of these annoying people one encounters at movie theatres who explain EVERYTHING that is happening on the screen in a conversation with themselves?

“What’s he doing? He’s opening the door. What’s that in his hand? Its a gun. Will he shoot the guy? He shot the guy. Is he dead? He’s dead. Will the police come? Here come the police…”

By BACK-words

February 17, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

If a teenage girl with spina bifida who was confined to a wheelchair and was also blind, came to this blog and with help from a friend typed in a comment that said she was in opposed to George W Bush’s invation of Iraq, would you hateful conservatives shout her down, yelling that she doesn’t support her country and she should shut up, what does she know? They sure would, how do they now they haven’t?

Liberals, on the other hand, know that this is America and everyone has the right to speak their mind, guaranteed by the Constitution, EVEN THOUGH these rights are currently under attack.

It only makes a difference to the howling conservatives in here because their argument sucks so badly, that they have to find someway, anyway to try and stop other people from speaking out.

They hate freedom and embrace censorship. And they lie to make it happen, giving themselves a status they haven’t earned. Disgusting.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Once again Buy Danish opens his mouth and nothing comes out. His/her mother must be so disappointed.

By clark

February 17, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

This is as thoughtful and intelligent as the right gets, right here:

you little punk sissy mommy teat sucking punk

Marvel over it.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Andy you little triwp. You have the gall to question veterans because they chose to believe differently than you. You are a poser you little twirp.

Where did you see combat? Where did you serve? Furthermore, where are the WMDs B-itch?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

That’s nice, N-GA, the AJC has had their panties in a wad over the impending failure of the economy for the last 5 years solid without let up, this coming during one of the biggest economic booms in history, and you are quoting from their pages?

Some day my tax dollars will support your a-ss, I can guarantee that..

By clark

February 17, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Back-words; CLASSIC. LOL LOL

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Speaking of stopping folks from speaking out. What do you think about this?

NASA to Draft New Rules for Media Office By Guy Gugliotta Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, February 17, 2006; Page A09 NASA Administrator Michael D. Griffin said yesterday he has convened a team of scientists and public information officials to draft new guidelines to ensure that news of agency research or events will not be tailored or curtailed to reflect political or ideological bias. In his clearest statement yet regarding accusations that NASA public relations officials had manipulated news releases or reports involving climate change and cosmology, Griffin told reporters that “it is not appropriate for scientists to be required to adjust, spin or alter their scientific work to fit any particular political agenda.” Although Boehlert and other House members mentioned NASA’s public information difficulties in opening statements, they asked Griffin no questions about the accusations that arose in January when scientist James E. Hansen charged that the agency’s press office was restricting his efforts to publicly discuss climate change. In response to Hansen’s assertions, Griffin earlier this month e-mailed employees vowing to respect scientific openness. On Feb. 10, NASA spokesman George C. Deutsch, a political appointee, resigned after allegations he had edited a scientist’s press release on cosmology to conform to administration views. Griffin told reporters after yesterday’s hearing that he has made it a policy that “technical people within NASA are not only allowed to speak their minds … we beg them to speak their minds.”

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

N-GA -

Her mother is dead, but she had a sense of humor, so she would have enjoyed it.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

So…..no wing-nuts want to blame Clinton for the financial implosion the USA is experiencing! Not one of them wants to trump up some lame excuse for the Republican party’s criminal handling of our country’s finaces. None of them wants to talk about fiscal corruption or bridges to nearly uninhabited islands.

No surprise. All they want are easy targets like Hillary, Kerry, Dean, etc.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Buy Danish makes quite a bit more sense than you. After you told us what a cartoon called “Take Me To My Leader” meant I thought I might know you. You would be the guy behind me at the Falcons games that would see them line up with five wide receivers and no running backs and tell everyone in the area that it looked like a pass play was coming.

By clark

February 17, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

Conservatives are for fiscal responsability, didn’t you know that N-GA? I mean…I mean….It’s Clintons fault.

By Midori

February 17, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

BACK-words — of course they would.

N-GA - They can’t answer the question, so they will always attack the questioner. Stupid is as stupid does.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

Thank you Andy. Did you see combat? What was your rank?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

This is the same NASA that some punk a-ss liberals like N-GA forced into getting some environmentally sensitive foam for the shuttle fuel tanks, which caused it to blow up, killing 7 innocent astronauts. And you want us to give the a shot at Mother Earth? I think not.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

STUPID POST Andy! You choose to criticize the AJC about something they printed when you should be critical of the article and/or its author.

When Doonebury depicts GWB, he shows him as an EMPTY Roman helmut which alludes to GWB’s powerful intellect.

Andy’s post about the AJC article would suggest something similar.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

N-GA: The only proof you got of a “financial implosion” is something a kook from the AJC editorial page said. Did you ever consider that the economy sucks for you because you might be too stupid to be successful?

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the Andy observation. Does anyone have anything intelligent to say? Andy just gave us more of his, well, Andy insight.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Coming from a man he shot:

This past weekend encompassed all of us in a cloud of misfortune and sadness that’s not easy to explain, especially to those not familiar with the great sport of quail hunting,” he said.

“My family and I are deeply sorry for all that Vice President Cheney and his family have had to go through this past week,” Whittington said. “We hope that he will continue to come to Texas and seek the relaxation that he deserves

Easy to tell that this guy ain’t no pinko…

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

And you Andy? Are you successful? We know you are stupid. But didn’t someone say that God takes care of children and fools, or something like that?

By clark

February 17, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Andy; What? You expected him to come out and say: “I can’t believe Dick shot me? How does he confuse me with a bird?”

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

I’m the only thing you can think of, 1A, I must have something going for me.

By A realist

February 17, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

The time is perfect for the Dems to take control of both houses of Congress. Why? Often in the mid-term elections during the 6th year of a presidency, the presidents party loses congressional seats. Part of being a lame duck executive. Also, an unpopular war, natural disasters, etc. sets the stage. But they won’t win. Why not? They have nothing. Consider the focus of the party of obstruction and everything anti-Bush. Here is what they have been harping on, insteading of leading the country and legislating some progress: 1) Leaking the identity of a CIA employee that isn’t even covert. Good thing the janitor’s name wasn’t leaked. Probably hard to replace him. 2) Threating a filibuster of a justice that believes that congress should legislate instead of the judiciary. Remember the grandstanding when Clinton nominated that very liberal Ginsburg? Oh, yeah. There was none. Bigger fish to fry. 3) “Domestic” survelliance. So, lets see, liberal friends. Have you changed your communication patterns since this has been “exposed”? Decided not to make a call afraid of being heard? Didn’t think so. I don’t think the NSA has time to listen to petty chatter. 4) Cheney’s accident. Not informing the public in a timely manner. Why should he have? What is it to you? Why do you need to know? Not your business. Again…anything of importance change in your life due to the fact that you did not get this critical information a few hours earlier? This is a non-event. 5) Cindy Sheehan. Why, oh why, can’t this woman shut up. Her 15 mins. are up. She is no better than the other 2,000+ moms that lost sons/daughters (most of which don’t support Cindy’s efforts, BTW).

6) And my personal favorite…nothing but obstruction, without counterproposal plans or heck, any plans at all. a) Social Security…Don’t like the personal accounts…fine…Clinton said SS is in trouble years ago…what is your plan? Don’t have one?
b) Iraq - It has become a mess. Ok, granted, but what is your plan (not the bail out plan, that is not a plan, but a recipe for disaster). c) Katrina - Beautiful job of Monday morning quarterbacking. I think the levees were in the same condition during previous administrations. Terribly substandard. Hear the Republicans blaming Nagin for not using the buses? Nope. Homey don’t play that. Talk radio, yes, but their just a bunch of blah, blah, blah.

Point, and it was a long time getting there, is this…Here is a trivia question…Quick, when is the last time you heard a positive message from a Democratic leader about a plan that they had to do something? Good luck in November. You’ll need it.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Andy -

Did you ever consider that the economy sucks for you because you might be too stupid to be successful?

Its called causing a recession, and it hurts everyone, even you. It doesn’t discriminate based on wealth.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

I’ll provide another quote from the article written by the Comptroller General of the USA (a “kook” in Andy’s words):

“As Washington embarks on the budget cycle for fiscal year 2007, the facts are clear and compelling that the federal government is on an imprudent and unsustainable fiscal path that, if not effectively addressed, could serve to swamp our ship of state. Our current course doesn’t just threaten our future economy and quality of life, but also our longterm national security.”

Andy, you suggest I am not successful. Somehow I managed to retire before age 50. However, you can dream, bed-wetter.

By Amelia

February 17, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

My husband is a retired Army officer and West Point grad that did 21 years. I remember how he disliked Bill Clinton. He also thinks that George Bush is a total disaster. I saw him put it on the line for this country on many occassions and I know that his patriotism cannot be doubted.

By ModerateMike

February 17, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Bush lost me with his blunders going into Iraq and his actions during the last election. He spends money like a madman and then brags when he slows the rate of increase on domestic programs. It used to bother me when we spent so much treasure on entitlements without oversight. Now I watch as we dump money in the desert. GB1 showed his wisdom when he stayed out of Baghdad. He knew that you could give them money for their oil and maintain stability in the region and it didn’t matter who the puppets were in charge. Iran is a problem, China will be a big problem, N Korea is isolated and is more Japan’s problem than ours.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

1a,

I did my part to help your boy Hansen out here. Maybe doing an interview with the New York Times is the same as being muzzled. I report you decide!

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

I continue to wait for a single intelligent response to my post about fiscal irresponsibility. I think the wing-nuts will leave me waiting because they have nothing to say.

To - A Realist - One of your observations concerned a financial issue…Social Security. All I will say is that BOTH houses of Congress have substantial Republican majorities. Well, one would think that the Republicans would have rallied behind GWB and passed a Social Security bill. But NOOooooooooo! No one to blame but themselves.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Most of us agree that government spending is out of control. The answer certainly isn’t to turn things over to Democrats that claim every program under the sun is underfunded. The only spending cuts they would approve of is to our military.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

N-GA: Why would I post about “fiscal irresponsibility” when I’m making money hand over fist? Your the loser, you post that nonsense.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

By A realist

February 17, 2006 04:38 PM

Point, and it was a long time getting there, is this…Here is a trivia question…Quick, when is the last time you heard a positive message from a Democratic leader about a plan that they had to do something? Good luck in November. You’ll need it.

I can think of one thing. The last time we had a Democrat in the White House he balanced the budget. I know that doesn’t count with you cons, but he did it. And you got to hand it to Bush, he undid it in record setting fashion. YOU GO GEORGE!

By getalife

February 17, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

What the hell?

They are outsourcing our ports?

By ModerateMike

February 17, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Bush likes to play rope-a-dope and maybe he is spending like crazy to force his successor(maybe a democrat)to raise taxes and take the blame for a recession. Maybe he is a brilliant tactician seeking to ensure his parties place for coming years by pretending to be a complete moron. Maybe a land war in Iran against a huge army in difficult terrain while already overcommitted elsewhere is just the medicine to get us back on track. Maybe not. Maybe Bush should go on a hunting trip with Cheney before this gets out of hand.

By 1A

February 17, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

You know the deal getalife. They are the “national security” administration. They’re leasing the ports to Arabs to better fight the war on terror. Go figure.

By Voice of Reason

February 17, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - I never said you were misquoting me. But due to your lack of reading comprehension, let me explain. I’ll try and go slow, starting with the first quote you commented on. Pay attention:

“You can’t fight terrorism, you can only prevent it.”

Terrorism is more of an idea than it is an action. To wage a war against someone or a group who use terrorism will not stop it. Preventing it from happening within our borders is an entirely different thing. It is actually more practical, especially if you use the scenario I presented earlier.

You still with me Danish, cuz this may take a little more to understand.

“When did I say I was fighting against the war on terror. Just because I think it was a bad idea, doesn’t mean I don’t support it.”

Now see, this is where most conservatives get all stuttery and stuff. I never said I was against the taking out Saddam or this war on terror. I think it’s stupid to try and fight it the way he chose, but I support military action, nonetheless. If that’s what he feels he needs to do, then I support him. I supported him by fighting in the war, and now I support my friends and brothers in arms that are there now.

If any of you that had this dialogue with me before can remember, I’ve ALWAYS maintained that it’s his approach and half-assed handling that I don’t approve of.

By E.Howard Hunt

February 17, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

They’ll probably outsource airport security next.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

I can only hope and pray that everyone who posts on this blog can read Andy’s wimpy response. It is so funny that it bears repeating”

“N-GA: Why would I post about “fiscal irresponsibility�? when I’m making money hand over fist? Your the loser, you post that nonsense.”

Perhaps someone from the right can advise Andy that he’s making them look really pathetic.

RW….I enjoy most of your posts. There is true thought & depth to them. I never suggested that we should turn this country over to the Democrats. Hell, when Uncle Sam had my but back in 1969, I decided that the reason I was there was because both Democrats and Republicans had fckd things up so badly, so I promptly registered as an Independent. Now I vote for the candidate. Unfortunately I cannot vote in primaries, but it’s worth it.

Personally I think that the Republicans could serve this country well….it’s the Neo-Cons who have stolen it from the people!

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Michelle Malkin has a lot of the information and the outrage over that. I haven’t had a chance to go through her links yet. Sure sounds like a bad idea at first blush, though.

By clark

February 17, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

getalife, 1A; Gore says something stupid in a speach……Response from the right: prissy, liberal, traitor to the nation.

BushCo leases our ports to Arabs…..Response from the right: Clinton is a punk. {quickly change the subject, throw in WMD’s something! Change the subject}

By clark

February 17, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

From the Right to the Left……Later!

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

That’s odd. From your screen name I just assumed you lived in Georgia. I guess that’s why they have that catchy little saying about the word.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

N-GA’s economic outlook is in shambles, he is damn near hysterical about it, posting all kinds of panty wadding kook columns from the AJC and he says I’m pathetic, just because I refuse to affirm his insanity?

Ever thought about seeing a debt counselor, my man?

By E. Howard Hunt

February 17, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

You’re right N-GA. And alot of republicans are to dumb to see it. What it tells you is that alot of people who call themselves “conservatives” actually have no clue what the definition of conservative is. They can tell you all day long what a liberal is but can’t define conservative. The ones that care only about guns, gays, and abortion are the wingnuts that don’t truly illustrate true conservatism.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Ok, I give up…no more about this country’s finances.

RW, your link scared the merde out of me. What happens if a LNG ship happens to have just 1 Al Qaida crewman aboard?

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

clark,

You might want to look at what is being done by the right about the port business.

Instead of whining on a cartoon blog, Michelle and others are trying to put some heat on the White House.

The other day one of the “name change” crowd was griping about it here and I asked for some resource material, they just ignored my request, called me some childish name, and went on to other issues making it seem like some kook conspiracy theory.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

RW…I do live in the North Georgia mountains about 50 feet from the rapids of the Cartecay River.

I am a stranger in a strange land up here (perhaps this last sentence is just to much ammunition for Andy).

I better attribute that phrase to Robert Heinlen.

By E. Howard Hunt

February 17, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

You know folks. If those Delta pilots don’t shape up maybe we could outsource their jobs to Saudi Arabia.

By E.Howard Hunt

February 17, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

By KZGUY

February 17, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

In the final analysis Bush will be compared to Nixon and Warren Harding if he is lucky.

To compare Bush to Nixon is an insult Nixon. Same character flaws, but Nixon’s grey matter far surpassed GW’s.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Well you said you were a registered Independent that couldn’t vote in primaries.

I don’t know what you’ve been told, but we don’t register any party affiliation in Georgia and can vote in any party primary. The only restriction is if you choose to vote in a primary you can only vote in a runoff if it’s the same party whose ballot you took the first time.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

N-Ga -

I have a moment to address your concern over deficits. The reason that I don’t respond to a liberal’s concern over deficit spending is because they have one solution, and one solution only: Raise taxes on the “rich”.

No deal.

I support getting rid of the income tax and replacing it with the “Fair Tax”, but that would take away the class warfare issue, so it’s tough to get dems to support it.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

RW,

Is that a state law, or does it vary by county? Up here, you have to bring your own rock and chisel to the polling station.

Seriously, I haven’t voted in a primary since I moved to GA.

By E. Howard Hunt

February 17, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

RW, Lou Dobbs hits the port issue hard almost every night and lots of people see it. The issue seemed to get traction after it came out in his show.

Do you have any idea why an administration that sees terrorism as such a threat would even consider signing that lease? The scary thing is that if this hadn’t been exposed they would have signed it. At least now they have to put it “under review.” At the same time they are probably p-issed as hell and looking for the whistleblower that let it out.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I support fiscal responsibility. By that I mean that Congress should not have reduced taxes (as much as I wanted them to be reduced) until spending was cut.

If people want lower taxes, they need to demand that their congressional representatives cut spending. Then, when there is enough of a surplus, cut taxes. If congress doesn’t do that, throw them out!

Before we talk about new taxing methods, I believe we need to look at who is being taxed. When domestic companies move offshore to reduce their tax burden they should be punished. Also, all churches should pay taxes. The Catholic Church and the Church of LDS both have billions in assets, but pay no taxes on the earnings. When I see the pastor of a “mega-church” with a mansion, expensive cars, etc., it really p** me off.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

It’s State law. So take your chisel to the ballot box next time you want to help (or hurt) someone in one of the primaries.

Are you sure you live in Georgia? I thought Cathy Cox said every precinct in Georgia had touch screens. A Democrat Secretary of State wouldn’t be less than truthful, would she?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

I really shouldn’t be egging these pinkos on but I’ve been wondering and, besides, I like watching them spaz. Do these kooks sit around hoping for the economy to collapse? Do they fret over positive economic indicators? Can you imagine “Man, I hope the stock market tanks so I can go to cartoon boy’s blog and tell that Andy.” Just think of the time and effort they have invested in it, heralding gloom and doom all through the Reagan years and now bellowing how Bush is going to deep six us, but nothing has ever happened, zero of it has come true. No wonder N-GA is so panicked.

Is this like a disease? Will they go crazy from it? Will they be on their deathbeds shrieking “put my money in bonds, what did China buy today?!?!”

By E. Howard Hunt

February 17, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

N-GA, I have a couple of acres on the Etowah River and 4 on the Chestatee up in Lumpkin County.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

RW….Positively live in GA. No one could make up a river called the Cartecay (the most pristine river in the state).

Rw…..I consider myself a mainstream moderate. By that I mean:

pro choice
pro death penalty
entitlements only for those w/genuine need
limited gov’t
world leadership, not domination
stewardship of the earth’s resources

You see what I mean

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

E. Howard Hunt,

If you scroll down the link I left to Michelle Malkins post there is a letter from a woman that says this is being misrepresented quite a bit and it isn’t as bad as it sounds.

My gut says I don’t want Arab control of our ports, but since most of our container inspection is done on the far end we are probably already in that situation. I’m going to dig into it tonight and see what I can find.

Damn shame that most of our media spent the whole last week bi-tching about a hunting accident. This seems to be a slightly more important story.

By E. Howard Hunt

February 17, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Don’t forget fiscal restraint N-GA. That used to be one of the conservative biggies.

By E.Howard Hunt

February 17, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

David Stockman, president Reagan’s Budget Director once stated that the Reagan administration ran huge deficits to create a crises that would “starve” the domestic budget. GWs defecits are probably a page from Reagan’s playbook.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Rw….Where I am going with this is that I have a problem with this administration and some of the products of their loins.

For example, Saxby Chambliss can criticize Max Cleland’s voting record, but to accuse him of being soft on terrorism is egregious to the point of sin. To a lesser degree, I feel the same about Kerry and critics of his service. As a veteran, I am sensitive to criticism about fellow GI’s. Personally, I think what Kerry did in opposing the Viet Nam war after he was discharged was the correct thing to do. What William Calley did was the wrong thing. What our politicians did to all the servicement who died (or were wounded) in that war is criminal. And it shouldn’t be allowed to happen again. We definitely should be in Kabul, but not in Baghdad

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I didn’t mean that to sound like I didn’t believe you really live here. I am curious whether we actually do have touch screens everywhere, though.

When I look at your list it seems to be pretty much a mainstream conservative list. Add the “safe, legal, and rare” disclaimer that Democrats pretend to believe and it pretty well describes me.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

N-GA -

Spending cuts are fine. Bring ‘em on. Tax increases are terrible. If you really care about the deficit, you will oppose tax increases since they end up bringing less money to the federal coffers and end up increasing the deficit.

You’re using “static” analysis, which is a dinosaur, and among other things, assumes that the pie never gets any bigger. “Dynamic” analysis is how one realistically approaches budgets.

VOR - The problem with your posts is that you are what Laura Ingraham refers to as a “But monkey”. You contradict yourself constantly and can’t seem to take a clear position on any issue. Swift Boat calls it “nuance”. I call it confusion.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

Hey RW,

I’m not sure that “Pro Choice” would play to mainstream conservatives. Let me go one step further…I strongly believe that religion and/or ideology should be taught at home or in the religious institution of your choice. I strongly oppose teaching “intelligent design” in public schools (except at the University level in philosophy class).

While I am not an “Isolationist”, I feel we should practice MYOB. Until we solve MOST of our social, economic, environmental, and political problems here in the USA, we don’t need to be telling other countries what to do.

Finally, we need to stop pandering to business interests. Support it, yes….but kowtow to it, an emphatic NO. Our government can chastize China for copyright infringement, child labor, currency manipulation, etc., but our government will NEVER do anything of substance about it because doing so would cause some pain to US business interests.

My last shot……get rid of “riders”. Every bill in Congress should pass/fail on its own merit.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Static or dynamic….we still have huge deficits and an incredibly huge national debt (relative to any previous era).

I never said anything about a tax increase (although it could be inferred). I said that Congress should not have decreased taxes until they cut spending. If you disagree with that statement, ‘splain yoself.

By kimberly

February 17, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

Interesting. Hello RW. I stop by for a read, and see you making all nice with a man (N-GA) who holds, for the most part, the same positions as I do. Funny, you bend me over every chance you get, sometimes before I’ve hardly had a chance to get going! Is that because you must join the mob when the blog bullies are watching, or do you just like bending me over and being cruel? RW, are you a HETERO or something?

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

It all depends on how you define mainstream, so we never really know. That was the one I wanted the disclaimer for.

We may get the chance to test that theory if Guilianni (sp?) runs. I don’t think it will be nearly as big a deal as many on my side do.

My position on public schools is that whenever possible to abolish them.

It isn’t possible to reach the fundamentalist Islamic definition of MYOB without being an isolationist. No matter how much we give in to them they want more. see: Dhimmitude

On your final, which actually is penultimate, point. If we did do anything about it wouldn’t it violate your MYOB theory?

On your actual last point, we agree on that. I think it’s Neal Boortz that tries every year to get a bill introduced in the State legislature that goes even further. The bill would make every spending bill contain language to the effect of “By voting for this bill I hereby certify that the money for this proposal is more important to the Government than the needs of the citizen that earned it.”

That might make some people take a second look.

By Midori

February 17, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

Kimberly,

the answer is simple: they simply like bullying women.

I have observed this time and time again.

Which is why I’ve figured Dusty out. The typical antebellum protetype.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

kimberly,

A rational discussion is always welcome. Unfortunately you never provide one.

By Midori

February 17, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

forgot to add: this is why I like/appreciate/can communicate with Buff.

He can disagree with me, and not resort to bullying and name calling.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - Your “dynamic” theory is basically Supply side economics or to take a Bush term, “Voodoo economics”. You think a reduction in tax rates would actually raise tax revenue, since the tax base would grow so much. And that’s been proven not to be true (remember the 80’s), the budget deficits exploded in the 1980s after tax rates were cut by Reagan in 1981 (then came a recession with Bush Senior). The response of private savings and labor supply to the Reagan tax cuts was small, the labor supply did not increase and the effect on private savings was killed by the reduction in public savings. Since labor supply and savings increased only marginally, government revenues did not increase compared to GDP and the budget deficit became very large. (and that’s what you want to do to combat our current deficit? Its what you do to counter stagflation and inflation, not a deficit.)

What did work (for out of control deficits) was the deficit reduction plan that Clinton proposed that was based on a limited increase in income tax rates to the top earners, an increase in various indirect taxes and a slowdown in the real growth of government spending. The results were the deficit fell, the economy boomed, and Real interest rates decreased (from their high rates of the 80’s) and then stabilized.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Either of these could say they were a woman on a blog.

Now you can usually tell from certain writing styles and hot buttons, but “Kimberly” is a trained professional and is equally likely to be either of the folks in my example.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

N-GA-

[The Max Cleland Myth] (http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/lowry200407291758.asp)

Re Kerry, opposing the Vietnam War is not the same thing as slandering this fellow soldiers.

By kimberly

February 17, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

Yes, I’ve seen that some women don’t have the courage to use their actual female names, and hide behind something ambiguous.

RW, that’s not true. Sometimes I’m in a defensive stance when I get here, because I get pounced right away. And there WAS that time on SotU speech night when I was forced to do shots and got a wee bit emotional. For the most part, though, I am a rational, moderate, America-loving, lets-get-real kind of person who engages these debates because I DO CARE.

But when chunked feces is flung my way the minute I take exception with the gross mismanagement of our once-great nation, it escalates into something less productive. No biggie though. If you want to talk nice to the nice man while ridiculing me for caring about the same things, that’s your biz. Double standards are still VERY much ingrained in our culture.

By N-GA

February 17, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

RW,

Gotta go….dinner engagement….I can go at least 2-3 years without getting to use “penultimate” in a sentence.

As far as China/trade, I don’t think I contradict my MYOB statement. If they stick their finger in our eye by not enforcing copyright laws, we should restrict trade. As far as child labor, send some Christians over there to convert them. In a couple of thousand years, things might change (wink-wink). Until then, let the American public decide whether or not to buy their goods. Just make sure that the public knows where they came from.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

David200 -

Can you edit your thoughts down? Think “spending cuts” and apply them to “word cuts”.

I’ll just deal with this You think a reduction in tax rates would actually raise tax revenue

They have. You need a new economics textbook.

Later, maybe…

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

kimberly,

Most people that use their real name capitalize it when they aren’t one of the people that doesn’t capitalize anything.

My take on this blog is that I am always willing to leave any argument behind when the cartoon changes. You being defensive about showing up does sound like a feminine quality. (Unless that’s one of tricks you learned in creative writing).

Now if you look like the person on the right side of my example I will have a completely different view of what you say I do to you when you show up here.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - Can you edit your thoughts down? Why? You have reading comprehension issues?

Which economics textbook do you use to come up with your fairy tale economic policies. Let me know so I can read along.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

DavidU: Where did the “peace dividend” military cuts and stock market dot com “cash burns” factor into your Clinton economic fairy tale?

By kimberly

February 17, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

RW, Now if you look like the person on the right side of my example I will have a completely different view of what you say I do to you when you show up here. Dude. I might be slow, but I have no idea what that means. Yes, that’s my name. Never said I was a “good” writer, only that I make a living from it. The daily digs are getting old.

All the stupid fighting is getting old. This partisan mud-slinging here is a slice of the bigger picture, which is the state of America. It IS up to us, to ask, to voice concern, to support, and to vote. How can we solve anything if we can’t understand each other’s concerns? The answer: WE CAN’T. We CAN’T because too many people would rather amuse themselves by belitting others than to listen to what someone else has to say. Too many people love hate more than love. Too many people leave the words of their Lord in the church building instead of taking them into their lives. Look around. Who are my neighbors? If this blog is a cross-section of America, then I’m sorry, but I think we’re F——D.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

Andy - Clinton does not control the fact that he pretty much had no big/earth shattering events to kill an economy during his term, so he was able to get the US out of the budget deficit of a previous war and recession through……wait for it…..Tax Increases (a move even praised by Greenspan). Bush on the other hand got it completely different. A dot.com bust, 9/11 and a war factor in to the reason behind a deficit for Bush (I’m not going to go into if the war(s) was right or not). And there is nothing (I’m going to say it again just in case some on the far left did not hear) nothing! To be done about a budget deficit when you have to finance a full out war. Now the magnitude which the Administration has let it get out of hand, yes I put blame on the magnitude of debt accumulated by the country, but a deficit comes with war and the rest of the stuff. But in order to rein it back in, tax cuts are not the answer and history has shown that. I was arguing the next step to get out from the whole that has been dug, not how we got here.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

kimberly: We do understand your position and you can forget about us getting along. We are taking it all back from you liberals, before it is all gone.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

kimberly,

I think you are making me the embodiment of your problems with everyone you argue with here. I would say that my impression is quite different. It seems like you sign on cheap shotting me, but I don’t care. I can take it and give it back. A political blog is hardly representative of the country as a whole anyway.

Today you jump in gay baiting because I’m having a civil discussion with “N-GA”. He and I have had plenty of spirited disagreements, but we don’t have to let it linger.

Your 6:15 and my 6:36 is the road map to the end of your confusion. It was supposed to be an olive branch, but I’m guessing you would use it to put my eye out.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

and that’s “Out form the hole” not whole for the spelling Nazis out there.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

And I even had a typo in my spelling correction, TGIF!

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

DavidU: After 9/11 and two major hurricane disasters the economy is still growing at a 4% clip. I’m a firm beliver in the Laffer curve, which basically means more money in circulation equals more tax revenues. We need to abolish the IRS and go to a fair tax. If that can’t be agreed upon then extending the tax cuts and abolishing the death/ AMT tax are the next best things.

By Daniel

February 17, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

Kimberly: Thank you for your noble effort. It is impossible to discourse with some of these people. They sit in front of a computer ALL DAY and pretend. You are so correct. They are reprsentative of the larger problem facing USA. That is a blind incompetent leadership. Work with the reepublicans who listen. Ignore these people. By the way, for anyone who is listening. Google: “Never get involved in a land war in Asia”. This is the quote I attributed to Douglas MacArthur. I got hammered for it by the right-wing knuckleheads here. Sadly, they are the last few people in Georgia who don’t know this quote. Ta. Ta.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 07:47 PM | Link to this

Andy- Well like I said to Buy Danish I don’t believe Voodoo economics/Laffer Curve/Supply-side economics will help an economy that is in stagflation and has a deficit of this size. I do understand the issue with he death tax, and though I don’t believe in completely eliminating it, I support scaling it back. Regarding the fair tax, then you’d have the issue of free healthcare for everyone to tackle (like Canada). Its definitely an important issue in the coming elections that I hope doesn’t get put on the back burner over: war, no war, gay, not gay, etc. And one that needs to be dealt with.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

^^ “An economy that is NOT in stagflation but has a deficit of this size”

By Andy

February 17, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

Well, if we are going to quote MacArthur:

Americans never quit.- Douglas MacArthur

You are remembered for the rules you break.- Douglas MacArthur

By Daniel

February 17, 2006 07:57 PM | Link to this

DavidU: great post. The looming Health Care problem in this country will dwarf Terrorism and the economy. There is no question that America will have to create some form of Universal Health Care. There was an excellent republcan plan that was proposed in the Clinton era. Sadly, it fell by the wayside. It (in some form) will be revived. It is simply unfair for American business to shoulder the failing health of Americans. We are a fat people. Ther has to be a national effort to get us to exercise. Watch this one. By the way, the free market is the greatest single engine of prosperity known to the history of mankind. Americans are the greatest of peoples. Much of the political polarization too, will pass, We will get through this time.

By Buzz

February 17, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

Well, Cheney’s been fun for a week. Time to now look at the rest of the ugliness & ignorance the Republiscum have wrought throughout the world. We’ll wake up one morning and find we no longer have a country thanks to these vermin.

By finch

February 17, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

Daniel, DavidU ~ you both stuck a stick in the hornet’s nest when you brought up the concept of (gasp) Universal Health Care!!

To many here that means socialism!!!!

Gasp!

They ignore facts: The US ranks 23rd in infant mortality, 23rd in male lifespans, and 21st for women.

The US spends 50% more of its GDP on medical care than France, but France has more MDs per capita. And nobody goes bankrupt in France because they’re sick.

Administrative costs for private health insurers and HMOs in the US range from 18%-40%. Administrative costs for Medicare? 2.1%.

Health “industry” execs rake in $10 million+ annual salaries. The business is riddled with bloat and corruption. Can you say HealthSouth?

Last year, the makers of Ambien, Lunesta and other prescription sleep aids spent more than $260 million in the US just on advertising.

And yet when my brother’s wife, a breast cancer survivor sought health insurance (after her employer insurance was terminated), she was quoted $3000/month, $10000 annual deductible.

More than half of all personal bankruptcies in the US involve debts that are mostly health care related. Most of the people overwhelmed by medical debt who file for bankruptcy protection had health insurance.

At least 45 million Americans don’t have any health insurance.

Foes of socialized medicine point to Canada and scream about rationed care, deadly waits for hospital beds and surgery, etc.

It’s all a lie.

Canada held a national election last month. Issues included political payoffs, energy policy, the environment, education and trade with the US.

You know what wasn’t an issue in Canada?

Universal government funded health care.

Get sick or hurt in Canada and you’re taken care of. And you won’t go bankrupt.

The private market multi tier medical payment system in the US is the free market at it’s worst. Capitalism on crystal meth. It needs to be killed and replaced.

Gosh, I feel so much better!

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

Is it David200 or is it DavidU?

Are you one and the same? You’re making it tough to follow the threads. I address a comment to David200, and I get a response from DavidU.

The point of my comment that angered one, or both, of you off was to try to edit your posts a bit so that I might be willing to read them. I don’t need a complete rehash of Bush 41 thru Bush 43 economic policies.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

delete the “off” after “you”.

By Jay not jay

February 17, 2006 09:09 PM | Link to this

so finch, do you prefer Canda’s system or Hillary’s?

What’s wrong with reforming the system that is already in place?

By Andy

February 17, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Apologies on the post length but I do have a lot of bald faced lies to counter:

Buyer Beware: The Failure of Single-Payer Health Care

The head of trauma care at Vancouver’s largest hospital announces that they turn away more cases than any other center in North America. He’s quoted as saying this would be unheard of in the United States.

In Manitoba, which is my former home province, the premier—the political equivalent of a governor—concedes that his pledge to end hallway medicine has fallen short. Hallway medicine is the phenomenon where the emergency rooms are so filled with patients that people are forced to lie on stretchers in hallways, often for days. Overcrowding is a periodic problem. In fact, the overcrowding is worse than last year. The community is rocked by the death of a 74-year old man who had waited in the emergency room for three hours and had not been seen.

New Brunswick announces that they will send cancer patients south to the United States for radiation therapy. New Brunswick, a small maritime province, is the seventh to publicly announce its plans to send patients south. In the best health care system in the world, the vast majority of provinces now rely on American health care to provide radiation therapy. Provinces do this because the clinically recommended waiting time for treatment is often badly exceeded. Ordinarily, oncologists suggest that there should be a two-week gap between the initial consult by the family doctor and the referral to the oncologist, and then two weeks more from the oncologist to the commencement of radiation therapy. In most Canadian provinces, we exceed that by one to two months, sometimes three.

In Alberta earlier this year, a young man dies because of the profound emergency room overcrowding. He is 23. On a winter’s night, he develops pain in his flank and goes to the local emergency room. It is so crowded that he grows impatient and goes to another. There, he waits six hours. No one sees him. Exhausted and frustrated, he goes home. The pain continues, so he finally decides to go to the local community hospital. It’s too late: His appendix ruptured. He dies from the complications hours later.

Spin that, doctor.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 09:37 PM | Link to this

finch -

Health care needs to be fixed, but you are comparing Canada to the USA. We may be neighbors, and speak English (mostly), but we are very different countries with completely different demographics.

Just for starters:

Canada. Population 30 million. USA. Population 300 million.

Daniel -

We are a fat people. There has to be a national effort to get us to exercise. Watch this one

I’m glad to see that you are embracing a Republican health care intiative (Medical savings accounts?), but -

*We are a fat people

Ahem, speak for yourself, Daniel. Further, I keep reading all these “statistics” about fat kids and fat Americans, but when I actually use my eyes, look around, and estimate the data, I don’t get the same results. I live in Georgia, and I’d say that 95% of my son’s schoolmates are in great shape.

Much of this junk science is pushed by “special interest groups” who have either a political or personal economic agenda that skews the results.

There has to be a national effort to get us to exercise. Watch this one

Only one state, Illinois, mandates PE in schools. I grew up during the Kennedy years which stressed PE - now the schools claim they don’t have time anymore. All the government can do is encourage exercise - it can’t force it.

the free market is the greatest single engine of prosperity known to the history of mankind. Americans are the greatest of peoples.

Yes, but doesn’t Universal Health Care contradict the above?

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - It’s DavidU. You responded to comments posted by DavidU (me), however you addressed them to David200 (someone else). I just chose to ignore that and did not bring it up. And yes, we are two different bloggers, DavidU and David200. And the reason for the economic policy trip down memory lane was to support my argument regarding tax cuts to fix a deficit.

By finch

February 17, 2006 09:39 PM | Link to this

Golly, that’s so EASY to spin, it’s… it’s a walk in the park!

That lovely post on the horrors of the Canadian health care system was not based on a report from some impartial group.

It’s from the Heritage Foundation.

It was founded by right wing racist Adolph Coors, the brewery king who once told black leaders they were lucky their ancestors were lucky to be dragged in chains to America.

It’s about as non-partisan as Al Qaeda.

And if you believe ANY of it’s claims, think about this.

Why wasn’t health care an issue in last month’s Canada elections? Not even a teeny tiny bit??

Because the nightmare stories about Canada’s single pay health care system ARE ALL LIES

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 09:43 PM | Link to this

Andy -

Great work - and you kept it clean too. Gold star for Andy!

By finch

February 17, 2006 09:43 PM | Link to this

Jnj,

I’d favor the Canada health plan over Hillary’s simply because the Canadian health plan has a track record, but nobody knows how Hillary’s plan would work or even IF it would work. We’ll probably never know.

Maybe the present system could work with an overhaul. But as you know, there are too many Americans who scream socialism everytime you talk about changing the system even a tiny bit.

They absolutely refuse to acknowledge thhat the present system s-ucks the big one.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

Andy - I brought up the issue of Universal HealthCare, because you brought up the issue of Fair Tax. Almost like a quid pro quo type deal. From your article then we should take what they say and implement it, learn from their (Canada’s) mistake, if we decide to have Universal Healthcare:

“I think it would be safe to say that you could have a single-payer system that’s smarter than the Canadian system. You could have a single-payer system that has user fees. You could have a single-payer system that allows private insurance. You could hire better administrators.”

By Andy

February 17, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

That’s a real easy way to win the argument, dismiss offhandly the other guy as a liar. Of course, we just get to take oddball gay finch’s word on it, as always.

How about the government of France, are they a trustworthy source? Well, it seems as though their health care system, which lucky for us it’s also single payer, is “unsustainable” using their words and “they must be prepared to make deep cuts to service when overruns are encountered.” Looks like paradise lost.

Oh well, the Frenchies can come to the U.S. where it is against the law for a patient to be turned away from essential care. Seems that this may also contribute to the lack of health care insurance, no? Some people just don’t pay for what they can get for free.

How much can you possibly hate the country that you live in that you can’t say anything, I’m talking about anything good about it. It’s a freaking sickness.

By Jay not jay

February 17, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this

finch, you can’t really compare Canada’s system to the U.S. Our population difference couldn’t tolerate Canada’s or Hill’s system.

By finch

February 17, 2006 09:53 PM | Link to this

People waiting in hospital hallways for medical care. Emergency rooms crowded with patients who don’t see a doctor for hours.

That sounds just like lots of hospitals in the US.

The major difference is that suffering in Canada’s hospital is just so darn much more cost effective!!

What’s really horrifying is the number of people who scream “socialism” whenever government managed health care is mentioned think the present system is JUST FINE THE WAY IT IS AND DOESN’T NEED TO BE CHANGED ONE BIT!!!!

Ignorance? Sadism?? Hard to tell.

But none of them’s offered to pick up my sister-in-law’s $36K/year insurance premium.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this

there are too many Americans who scream socialism everytime you talk about changing the system even a tiny bit.

finch, as I recall, Reagan tried to reform SS so there would be a catasrophic health care option. Dems killed it, with the help of the AARP.

Newt tried “Medical Savings Accounts”. Ted Kennedy killed it by only permitting a very, very few people to participate. Despite his attempts at censorship, it is gaining in popularity. It’s not for everyone, but it is a nice OPTION.

If the Heritage Foundation is nothing but a racist group, please give us a think tank whose data you trust. Call me skeptical, but somehow I don’t believe that all the stories are LIES.

By RW-(the original)

February 17, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

The latest lame effort from the scribbler has arrived.

By finch

February 17, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this

Jnj,

I don’t see why a system analogous to Canada’s health care system wouldn’t work in the US.

The population difference really wouldn’t matter. You’d still have about the same number of sick people per 1000 people.

It’ simply economics of scale.

Please keep in mind that I’m not calling for the mirror image of Canada’s system in the US. I’m not saying that the US system couldn’t be worse if it had been designed to be that way.

By DavidU

February 17, 2006 10:04 PM | Link to this

New Cartoon!

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 10:05 PM | Link to this

finch -

Here’s a question: Why don’t we have more clinics, with PAs (Physician Assistants)? What happened with the proposal in Georgia to let nurses write some prescriptions? I know that doctors’ groups were lobbying against it. It seems to me that everybody doesn’t need to see a “doctor” in a private office for every little ailment. We’re getting Rolls Royce service when sometimes all we need is a bicycle.

By finch

February 17, 2006 10:09 PM | Link to this

I hate it when I misspeak myself. I am indeed saying, and emphatically so, that the US health care system could not be worse than it already is.

It’s like some planners tried to build the most expensive and inefficient health care system in the world (outside of a 3rd world nation) and exceeded beyond their wildest expectations.

By Andy

February 17, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this

Trust me on this one, the Heritage Foundation didn’t just make up the dead Canadians in the emergancy room stories, anybody can fact check that. I’d rather pay too much than be dead from cuts in service, sound familiar, that cuts in service? That’s government speak!

By finch

February 17, 2006 10:15 PM | Link to this

Danish,

Okay, you made me smile. And you’re right. PA, nurses writing prescriptions, Health Savings Accounts, h-ell I’ll consider any adjustment to the present system. Canada’s not necessarily the answer, but it sure is an option.

“We’re getting Rolls Royce service when sometimes all we need is a bicycle.”

I gotta remember that!

By Jay not jay

February 17, 2006 10:15 PM | Link to this

If the government takes over health care, it will be “hell in a handbag”.

By finch

February 17, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

The Heritage Foundation stories of dead Canadians are just apocryphal tales with no statistical significance whatsoever.

I’ll say it again. If health care in Canada were so catastrophic, wouldn’t it have been a major issue in last months elections? Maybe even a teeny-tiny issue?

It wasn’t an issue because it isn’t an issue.

You can’t argue with that fact, jack….

By Jay not jay

February 17, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

finch, apples and oranges, again.

By finch

February 17, 2006 10:29 PM | Link to this

Jnj, with all respect, I don’t think it is apples an oranges. It’s economies of scale.

If anything, given it’s larger population and smaller territory, the US should be much more efficient in delivering health care than Canada. And it most assuredly is not.

By finch

February 17, 2006 10:39 PM | Link to this

Another health care in Canada point to ponder.

My family lived in Buffalo New York for years. We still have lots of friends there. If Canada’s clinic and hospital system were as terrible as the Heritage Foundation claims, you’d think there would be a torrent of people crossing the Niagara River from Ontario to get the care they can’t get in Canada. Especially when, as it’s been pointed out here, US hospitals must, by law, provide essential care to everyone.

Guess what? There’s not. Not at all.

More Canadians enter Buffalo from Ontario for cheaper gasoline (US$2.40 vs US$3.20) than they do for better medical care.

By Buy Danish

February 17, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

finch -

I don’t think that the economies of scale argument works here! Just the opposite.

I think that American health care is superb - it’s just too expensive. But spreading the cost around to taxpayers isn’t going to make it any cheaper, or more efficient. See also Hurricane Katrina and government waste.

Nite nite all.

By "neocon slut whore"

February 17, 2006 11:03 PM | Link to this

liberal skank,

you are so bush’s b-itch, you misogynistic a*.

fortunately, the screen name is perfect — it informs the reader youy are a total idiot before they then avoid reading your mindless drivel.

remind me: how does denigrating over 50% of americans help you?

oh, i get it — you are simply hateful. what a pretty sight.

By RW-(the original)

February 18, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

Thank you so much for your note on the typo. I could argue that many a dinosaur enjoyed the operatic presentations at the DeGive!

The site is so big and my typing so poor, there have been a few typos caught by others that I have corrected as well as the ones I find while I’m revising pages. When I get back to my office where the source files are on my workstation, I’ll make the corrections and upload them to the site on Monday.

Thank you for the compliments and I’m thrilled you enjoyed the site. It’s nice to know that people are still visiting it. I made the first version of this site back in 1996, 4 years after I ended my volunteer duties at the Fox. I did a major update of the site between 2003 and 2004 when I was involved with Georgia Public Television’s 75th anniversary documentary on the Fox. This continued while I was involved with the Atlanta Preservation Center last year with their tours.

During that time, I was flabbergasted to discover that there is so much of the Fox’s history that was very inaccurate. I would say that over 50% of what I was told as a member of the Fox staff was wrong. This still continues to this day, but I have worked really hard in trying to make the site as accurate as I could through research and logical deductions almost worthy of Sherlock Holmes! Part of this is because of the hype that was made about the Fox in order to promote it when it was new. Another part is because we are now working from an incomplete set of historical documents about the building. No one ever thought the Fox would become an historical landmark and with the number of owners it had between 1929 and 1940, no one thought of retaining records as part of a historical archive. Throw in urban legends and myths and you have a fine mess.

I created my site simply because no one else had attempted to present this type of information online. Last year, I had hoped that perhaps the Atlanta Preservation Center might take my site over as part of their involvement with the Fox, but they were not interested in such a venture. So I guess for now, this site will be maintained by me.

Regards Hal Doby

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