Mike Luckovich

By Andy

February 14, 2006 07:47 PM | Link to this

No, I thought he was a democrat. And a crook. How can anyone who shags Marion Brooks be considered a victim?

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

Is that supposed to be Cheney shooting arrows at Campbell?

By Andy

February 14, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

Let’s see if I can dust off Bruce Bartlett’s credibility here real quick:

June 23, 2004, 8:52 a.m.

The Economics of Media Bias

It may soon be too costly to lean left.

A new poll from the Pew Research Center has again raised the issue of liberal bias in the media. A growing body of academic research at top universities supports it. Unfortunately, those in the major media still don’t get it and are unlikely to change their behavior, resulting in further declines in ratings and circulation.

By Andy

February 14, 2006 07:57 PM | Link to this

Gosh, Bruce Bartlett is syndicated by the Moonie Times:

Party track records on race

For decades, it has been a template of the major media that Republicans are the party of racism. It repeats uncritically any charges of Republican racism, no matter how unfounded. Democrats, on the other hand, are always given a pass whenever they commit racist offenses. Even a cursory review will show the media template is totally contrary to history.

I like this guy, you got any more authors you’d recommend Daniel?

By DavidU

February 14, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Andy - I’m currently reading “Bush’s Brain” By James Moore and Wayne Slater, so far its really biased, but then again I didn’t start reading it for that. Just becase I think Rove is one hell of a political Strategist.

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

I wasn’t in the military, but in ROTC they were pretty clear that something is wrong with this picture.

By WashingtonState

February 14, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

RW, Good one. The National Quaylitis Foundation has its hands full these days. Good thing Cheney didn’t have one of those rifles.

By Objective Observer

February 14, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

Does this guy ever let a democrat stand alone in wrong doing? Always finger pointing at the administration when it’s convenient. Cupid?

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

You don’t have a link to that foundation do you? Assuming you made it up I may steal it for a blog entry.

By Objective Observer

February 14, 2006 08:48 PM | Link to this

Just cut and paste in an open file R.W.

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Are you giving me a hard time?

By Andy

February 14, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

Hey, look, they’re kicking MC Donald’s a-ss now. It must be serious.

By Objective Observer

February 14, 2006 08:53 PM | Link to this

No, I was actually astonished!

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 08:58 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

You computer wizard you you, I took your advice and low and behold it is real.

I thought it was a quail reference not a Quayle reference.

By Objective Observer

February 14, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

True victims And all the corporations that die at the hands of them.

By Objective Observer

February 14, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

There is only one of me.

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 08:58 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

You computer wizard you you,

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I think I am over compensating for my habit of leaving words out.

You may feel free to ignore one of those yous if you want to you know. Maybe I was trying to show my street cred by saying yo yo, in which case it’s my spelling that’s the new problem.

By finch

February 14, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Oh. My God.

The National Quaylitis Foundation is real.

I especially like it’s disclaimer:

“The National Quaylitis Foundation is not associated in any way with Marina Sirtis, Vanna White, The Britney Spears Guide to Semiconductor Physics, Ronald Reagan, J. Danforth (Dan) Quayle, George Bush, or Pat Sajak.”

Brilliant find, OO…

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

finch,

I’m fond of the mailing address:

National Quaylitis Foundation c/o Dr. Joseph Lieberman Gore Ranch Luser, TN BR549 USA

By Objective Observer

February 14, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

Finch:

Not my find, it was Washington State’s. But I visited, does that count?

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

I just looked a little more and I actually put it here first. No wonder WashingtonState knew about the foundation and never answered when I asked about it.

You,you this thread is way too new to have grown so bizarre.

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 09:45 PM | Link to this

I guess I should close this circle.

Good find, finch!

By Objective Observer

February 14, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

That is bizarre! Funny picture. Let us never repeat that circle again.

By finch

February 14, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this

OO,

unionfacts.com (the anti-union site you cite) is (according to the NY Times) a nifty cash cow for one Richard Berman, a superlobbyist who trumpets the boundless benefits of clients like the liquor industry by criticizing organizations like Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

And that’s on his good days.

The enlightened folks at Wikipedia describe him thusly:

“Rick Berman founded and runs a trio of shadowy tax-exempt food, tobacco, and beverage industry front groups. (and now, an anti-union group.) *For a hefty fee, these nonprofit organizations hire Berman as executive director. Berman then uses his own privately owned public relations company to do work for the nonprofit organization. In this way, Berman channels between 49 and 79 percent of the donations given to these nonprofit groups into his own pocket.”

It appears that Mr. Berman’s primary (but hidden) agenda is the enrichment of Mr. Berman. Personally, I tend to be leery of such individuals.

By Goodnews

February 14, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

I feel that Campbell is a CROOK. His wife is crazy to stand by him. I feel that the tax payers are the true VICTIM in the whole situation. These alledged bribes do not cost the recipeint a dime, but the awarding of a contract in excess does. He is no better that a bank robber, car thief ect; If found guilty he should be placed in the general population of a federal prison. I just hope that the jury can weigh the evidence with out bias toward his race.

By finch

February 14, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

RW, OO…

Bizarre is good good, don’t you think? It’s always worked me.

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this

finch,

You could have at least “wikified” that page for them after you wrote that.

By Semper Fi

February 14, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this

Finch, you don’t like the UNIONFACTS.COM home page but think the ACLU really stands for protecting American’s Civil Liberties? Could it be that they both really have hidden agenda and sucking people in? If so, it looks like one of them have gotten you as a supporter. I am off to read the UNIONFACTS.COM.

By Objective Observer

February 14, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

Finch:

Take the NYT with comments from the AFL-CIO and you come up with bizarre.

I’m off bed. Work tomorrow!

Night!

By Semper Fi

February 14, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks OO. That Union site is pretty good. I would think all union members should review the information they have. I didn’t know this and if I were a union money I would be concerned why a lot of it is being spent on fines:

In 2005 alone, federal racketeering investigations resulted in 196 convictions against union officials and employees and $187 million in fines.

By Midori

February 14, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

Goodnews,

At least one person gets it.

By DavidU

February 14, 2006 10:39 PM | Link to this

On CNN.com is the accident report for the Hunting accident. They did such a good job blacking out the SS# that with little effort (looking at it for more than 2 seconds) I now know Cheney’s last 4 numbers are 9968. This is too funny.

By finch

February 14, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

Semper,

You’re a cool guy and all, but I don’t get how you can compare the ACLU with that Richard Berman creep. For one thing, the ACLU would happily defend Mr. Berman if anyone tried to shut him up. If he were poor, that is. Which he isn’t.

I know unions are far from perfect. For every Ken Lay there’s a.. there’s a… well, I can’t offhand think of any union boss whose plundered his organization for $10s of millions, but you know what I mean…

I just have a thing against lobbying mercenaries like Berman, no matter what their cause is. I hope somebody Cheneys him.

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this

finch,

Didn’t the verb “to Cheney” have a different meaning than what I see in your post to Semper Fi?

Something like “go Cheney yourself,”

By finch

February 14, 2006 11:27 PM | Link to this

RW,

LOL, you did it again, you jester, you.

There are two definitions of the verb “Cheney”.

One is limited to Capitol Hill.

The other applies when used on hunting forays in Texas.

By Glenn

February 14, 2006 11:31 PM | Link to this

Cheney, The Son Of Darkness, digs an even deeper sewer hole for the Bushies. All is well. Why is this heroic huntsman not in Iraq sharing his expertise with the troops??

By RW-(the original)

February 14, 2006 11:49 PM | Link to this

finch,

Good thing you managed to put at least one word between each “you”. I’d hate to have to OO you! She will awaken as a verb, how cool is that?

By WashingtonState

February 15, 2006 12:00 AM | Link to this

RW, Sorry, I was gone living in an alternative universe for awhile. My son got into medical school and was calling to let me know. Anyway, I got that link from you. Look at the bottom of the page you linked and voila, there it is.

By WashingtonState

February 15, 2006 12:03 AM | Link to this

President Bush said on Monday that the unauthorized disclosure of an undercover C.I.A. officer’s identity was a “very serious matter” and “a criminal action” as the White House announced that at least 500 of its 2,000 employees had responded to a Justice Department demand for documents as part of an investigation into the source of the leak.

Taking up where we left off. Before the spin machine kicked in, that is what Bush had to say about Plame. Now all we have reached the point where people are actually asking whether Plame was really outed. Well, President Bush thought so. But that was a couple of years and miles of spin ago.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 12:09 AM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

By the time I post this you will probably already know, but we got quite a chuckle figuring out that I started all that confusion.

I want you to know that I was giving you much credit for instantly making up a hilarious phony foundation. In a way, it’s too bad we figured it out.

Congratulations for you and your son!

By WashingtonState

February 15, 2006 12:11 AM | Link to this

Which returns us to the point of why people are making such a big deal about Cheney shooting someone accidentally. The administration has spent the last 5 + yrs assiduously controlling every bit of information that it gives to the press and the American people. As Reagan’s and George Sr.’s press secretary pointed out, there was no reason that the press wasn’t notified of the event together with facts and the points of view of all involved, within a couple of hours of the incident. I can just imagine the conversation: “Uh, George, I just shot a guy.” “Well, Dick, don’t say a word to the press until I talk to Karl” and so on. The reason that people are making such a big deal of Cheney shooting someone is not that they they think it is so momentous, but that any chink in a stone wall is of interest.

By WashingtonState

February 15, 2006 12:15 AM | Link to this

RW, It was a funny link. I like the disclaimer at the bottom. I’ll tell you something, Texas has an incredible system of higher education. If you are smart enough to get in, they pick up a huge portion of the tab. Medical school there costs a fourth of what any other school costs.

By finch

February 15, 2006 12:15 AM | Link to this

WS, applause for your son. Now that’s a big deal.

I understand that you, RW and I can now be honorary cheerleaders for the National Quaylitis Foundation. Aren’t you thrilled?

I’m pulling the shades down now. Manana…

By WashingtonState

February 15, 2006 12:17 AM | Link to this

RW, finch, Thanks for the congrats. It has been a long haul for him to get in. Now the real grind starts.

By Ricky

February 15, 2006 12:19 AM | Link to this

Did everyone see where the Dems turned on one of their own, who was a golden boy just a couple of months ago. Paul Hackett, the Iraqi war veteran was forced from his bid for the Democratic seat in Ohio. The Dems have made a big deal about running Iraqi veterans as candidates, I wonder why they forced this one to withdraw?

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 12:42 AM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

I wrote here that there is a good reason for not immediately notifying the press. My take is contrary to conservative as well as liberal press, but I think I’m right. …I’m sure the confidence of myself in my position will shock any regular readers here…There was no compelling reason for the press to have this story as it was unfolding.

By WashingtonState

February 15, 2006 01:08 AM | Link to this

RW, Even if I were to agree that your reasons are valid, my point was more that when an administration has built a reputation for stonewalling at every turn, they will likely be judged as reverting to pattern whenever there is any question. My earlier quote was from the press secretary for two former Republican presidents who thinks the whole situation was badly managed.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 01:40 AM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

If you read the post from my site I would hope that you didn’t come away with a partisan position. I really don’t care what former or current Republicans feel. I even agree with “seneca” in the comments on that post that the Bush PR department is a disaster. I have it on good authority that “seneca” even posts here using a different name, but doesn’t want to be named. {finch, was that discreet enough?}

The Whittington family deserved time to be notified and there was no compelling reason not to give them that time.

By WashingtonState

February 15, 2006 02:16 AM | Link to this

RW, I thought your post put the most charitable light possible on the whole incident and was not partisan at all. I, on the other hand, am pointing out that one has to judge people’s reactions in the light of the totality of this administration’s dealings with the press. If they had been more forthcoming in other situations, I doubt there would be any fuss about this particular incident at all. It is all very ironic from any number of angle.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 05:16 AM | Link to this

Denmark or Luxembourg can afford to exhibit domestic anguish and uncertainty over military policy; the United States cannot. A divided America encourages our enemies, disheartens our allies, and saps our resolve—potentially to fatal effect. What Gen. Giap of North Vietnam once said of us is even truer today: America cannot be defeated on the battlefield, but it can be defeated at home. Polarization is a force that can defeat us.

Which is what the liberals seem to want.

By GenGiap

February 15, 2006 06:48 AM | Link to this

While you are very good at Google searching for arguments that support your positions, you have no intellect to take information and form a rational deduction. Maybe if America chose their wars more wisely none of the above factors would be in play. Bad wars and the wrong wars always result in faltering resolve. Why did Americans support the World Wars to the very end but become polarized over Vietnam and now Iraq. Why did Americans overwhelmingly support Gulf War I.

By Matt

February 15, 2006 07:22 AM | Link to this

How about a cartoon on the gang who couldn’t shoot straight? George shot at Bin Laden and hit Saddam; Cheney shoots at a quail and hits a lawyer…

By Brian Curtis

February 15, 2006 07:35 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Deadeye Dick—the brave sportsman—screws up any shooting operation, doesn’t he?

By Andy

February 15, 2006 07:37 AM | Link to this

GenGiap: Sticking up for the oppressed that can’t fight for themselves? Unselfishly spreading freedom to those in the world who don’t have it?

On the other hand, enslaving people keeps you pinkos in business and provides you with all kinds of excitement, doesn’t it? That’s what you libs are all about, making people totally dependent on government, whether it be by the gun or the biweekly check.

By AntiRadical

February 15, 2006 07:38 AM | Link to this

Since Vietnam is now one of our stronger trading partners in the SE Asian theater, it may be well to remember that, like in Sumo wrestling, sometimes you win by relaxing and letting the enemy defeat himself. In this case; Vietnam is reforming itself through the best forum for our interests, the free market place. Vietnam is already a free trader and will eventually transform itself into a totally free society simply because we stopped trying to force the issue through a venue that was disingenuous to us (one on one entrenched jungle warfare). Only stupid people or brutes fight when they can better win through trade mechanisms. That is the true lesson to be learned from our sad involement in Vietnam!

Gen. Giap wasn’t as crafty as he imagined. By winning “face” (oriental concept of pride) he sacrificed his ultimate goal of entrenching Vietnam in socialism. Gap is being defeated by Hershey bars and Coca Cola. His cause could only be sustained in the minds of his people while there was an American “enemy” occupying Vietnamese soil to use as a rallying point. Who was the better soldier? Who has the last laugh?

If one imagines using the American approach to Vietnam on today’s semi-socialist China the wisdom of our past actions in ‘Nam are more readily apparent. Does anyone think that we could in any manner occupy present day China and convert its’ people to non-socialist governing by force? We are, also, winning in China today through China’s embracment of the free market. In China’s case, we haven’t the might to do otherwise.

By AntiRadical

February 15, 2006 07:45 AM | Link to this

Good toon ML. About time you put the skewer to some of the Democratic scumbags for a change. The Republican party isn’t the only thing that stinks in Atlanta OR Washington! We should all remember that the next time we choose to gift any of these miscreants with even the vaguest vestige of power.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 07:52 AM | Link to this

AntiR: Only a pinko would be proud of Freedom’s enemies using the weakness of you libs to defeat the strongest country in the world. Or consider the fact that 3 million people were killed by the communists after we left to be a “victory.”

You clowns keep saying things like this, please. The majority of Americans don’t want freedom to be a loser, have some national pride and it shows at the ballot box. That’s why you goofy libs are an endangered species.

By The Grinch

February 15, 2006 07:59 AM | Link to this

ALERT!! ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOM CRUISE IS NOT GETTING MARRIED AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This should take the Cheney shooting off of the liberal minds and put it where the REAL liberal concern is.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

By Andy

February 15, 2006 07:37 AM | Link to this

GenGiap: Sticking up for the oppressed that can’t fight for themselves? Unselfishly spreading freedom to those in the world who don’t have it?

On the other hand, enslaving people keeps you pinkos in business and provides you with all kinds of excitement, doesn’t it? That’s what you libs are all about, making people totally dependent on government, whether it be by the gun or the biweekly check.

Do you really think that the motivation is sticking up for the oppressed? If so I can point out many nations much more oppressed than was Iraq. The Republicans fought Clinton tooth and nail over Bosnia when the Serbs were committing genocide there. They also flatly refused to do anything for Rwanda and other African nations where conditions are much worse. Your humanitarian/freedom argument doesn’t wash. It is just spin to sell your point of view on Iraq.

By neocon(findenceman)

February 15, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

A divided America encourages our enemies, disheartens our allies, and saps our resolve—potentially to fatal effect.

I couldn’t agree more. Which is why it is such a travesty that the repubs have taken a “you’re with me or you’re against me” policy on political cooperation. we face a nation deeply divided. the party in power needs to start accepting some responsibility for letting the divisions fester, start proclaiming the need for a middle ground, and start compromising in order to achieve it.

Bush is the polar opposite of Lincoln, who always found common cause for a divided nation — first as a difficult-to-stomach pro-southern-slavery platform in 1860, and then as a very favorable deal for reconstruction in 1864-. the latter p** off the extremists in his party, who wanted to punish the south for a very bloody war, but it was the right decision to strengthen the country in the long-term against further division.

“let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds…. “

By AntiRadical

February 15, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

The Republicans fought Clinton tooth and nail over Bosnia when the Serbs were committing genocide there. They also flatly refused to do anything for Rwanda and other African nations where conditions are much worse. Your humanitarian/freedom argument doesn’t wash. It is just spin to sell your point of view on Iraq.

Telling it like it is. Thanks Giap!

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Thank you Anti-Radical. The slaughter in Rwanda was sparked when the presidents of Rwanda and Burundi were killed in a plane crash. Within 100 days of the crash 800,000 people in a country of only 8 million had been slaughtered. Most hacked to death by machetes. The republican congress flatly refused to send help to a nation “not vital to our national interest.”

Had we sent just a few thousand troops, even taking into account the time to deploy, hundreds of thousands of lives could have been saved. But it wasn’t in our “national interest.” So much for humanity and freedom from oppression in the purest sense.

By AntiRadical

February 15, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Rwanda (and others I might mention) really puts the light on American hypocrisy associated with the Iraq misadventure. Let’s hope that the businessmen can still win the peace, after the Hawks have lost the war, again.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

4.2 million North Koreans have died of starvation as a direct result of the policies of an oppressive regime, while that country’s military continues to be well fed and menacing to it’s neighbors. The North Korean government diverts the famine relief aid intended for the starving and uses it to feed soldiers and the ruling elite. This nation continues to be a nuclear threat and is by GWB’s own definition part of the axis of evil. Where is the concern for the freedom from oppression of the North Korean populace?

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

In Chile, Salvador Allende was assassinated by the CIA and Pinochet was installed in his place. Pinochet is now on trial for the commission of atrocities during his brutal and oppressive regime. We didn’t feel too concerned about oppression of the Chilean people and in fact made it possible. The humanitarian/freedom argument doesn’t wash.

We don’t care if you support the Iraq war or not Andy. Maybe you have to sugar coat it to sell it to yourself. Or maybe it is just spin that you use to throwup smokescreens in an attempt to make shinola from s-hit.

By Edd Williams

February 15, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Congratulations Luckovich - you got one right this time!!!

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

GenGiap and Anti-Radical -

Oh, so Rwanda is Bush’s fault? Maybe I’m confused, but I seem to recall that Bill and Hill were in charge during the Hutsi/tutu machete’ massacre and that Ms. Albright refused to characterize the situation as “genocide”.

Gosh, I even saw a PBS Frontline episode that blamed the Clinton Administration, and reasonably claimed that the whole thing could have been prevented if they had just sent in some troops early on in the game before it got out of hand. BTW, great HBO movie, “Sometimes in April”.

Dittoes for Robert Mugabwe, another celebrated butcher-hero of the Left. Black despot slaughters white Zimbabwan farmers, farms given to Mugabwe’s cronies, cronies can’t farm, famine results, Mugabwe is a hero. Classic!

There seems to be a trend where the Left (and the U.N.) only get outraged when white people are the bad guys. Whenever blacks (or Arab warlords) are the “evildoers” they get a pass. It also hints at a funny sort of racism, where they also don’t care if blacks are the victims. Maybe I’m hallucinating, but it seems that all the Left really want is an issue to use to promote the general stereotype that white men are evil s.o.b.s. Hence all the attention that South Africa got (good thing), but the lack of focus elsewhere (bad thing).

If the Sudan’s jingaweed were a group of white people committing mass murder and practicing modern slavery, I just betcha that there would be a wee bit more outrage over the situation. But that would upset the self-esteem of some people who look to Africa as being the center of civilization.

Obviously the U.S. can’t fight everyone’s battles, so it would be nice if the rest of the civilized world would pitch in once in awhile. What’s left of it.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

The government of the United States has traditionally used the installation and support of very oppressive regimes as a means to control nations deemed vital to the security of the U.S.. Freedom seems to be for some but not for others. Reality seems to indicate that the U.S. is actually afraid that freedom will take hold in many nations allowing the citizens of those countries to make choices they deem in their interest, but not ours. But if we truly promote freedom and democracy, well, we let them choose their own destinys. Or do we.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

The Republican congress denied Clinton’s request to send troops at the outset of the atrocities. Do some research. They were afraid that the nation was not not “psychologically” ready to do it so close to the Black Hawk Down incident. Newt Gingrich rallied the repubs to do nothing. It’s documented. Check it.

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

I suspect that Mr. Campbell and OJ will be sitting on the beach in Florida sipping boat drinks and laughing about the U.S. justice system, perhaps as soon as early summer.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

By the way Buy-Danish. It is an historic trend that is not confined to any administration. We have seldom done things for humanitarian reasons. Usually our primary interest is economics. If theres not a buck or two in it, it is not worth our time. Of course nobody expects you to know much about anything that goes beyond Iraq.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

The Indian Campaigns in the 1800’s did not promote freedom from oppression. Theodore Roosevelt’s “Gunboat Diplomacy” only promoted the control and oppression of Central America. This was for the benefit of the United Fruit Company. Roosevelt summed up our concern for Central American self determination with the statement, “what is good for United Fruit is good for America.”

History does not back up your argument Andy and Buy-Danish.

By Dick Morris

February 15, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

You clowns keep saying things like this, please. The majority of Americans don’t want freedom to be a loser, have some national pride and it shows at the ballot box. That’s why you goofy libs are an endangered species.

Andy, you just might get to see an “endangered” species in all their glory at the 2006 mid-terms. And it won’t be just “libs”. It will be mainstream Americans that are just sick and tired of this administrations way of doing business.

Don’t be so cocky. You may have to eat crow. It ain’t just libs that are disgusted.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

Gen Giap - Wait! The great diplomat, Mme. Albright was supposed to get the U.N. on board. Isn’t that how we’re supposed to proceed? Never do anything without U.N. approval? Of course, if you’re not willing to call it “genocide”, it’s tough to get support.

Blaming the Republican congress is a bit like blaming Republicans for Vietnam by characterizing it as Nixon’s War! And that Black Hawk down incident was Clinton’s fault, not Newt’s. If Clinton was a real commander in chief and actually showed “leadership” maybe he might have persuaded people to take action. But apparently he was too busy doing other important things.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

It’s on the record. Check it out. Clinton wanted to send the 82nd to slow down the slaughter while diplomatic actions were taken.

ONCE AGAIN BUY-DANISH. History illustrates quite clearly that we don’t get involved in anything for humanitarian reasons. You are trying to nit-pick to create a smokescreen.

And by the way, are you afraid to touch upon North Korea? They really need “humanity, freedom, and relief from oppression. And they are on GW’s watch. What about them?

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Research

By Kelvin

February 15, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Giap is killing you guys. You took a knife to a gunfight on this one. History backs him up. Smart men know when they need to let it go. Obviously you guys that are arguing so lamely with him don’t fall into that group.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Good try RW. But alot of us prefer the congressional record to internet garbage that can be cherry picked with search terms. Clinton wanted to send troops. Congress said no.

Besides, we are addressing our nations history as a whole. And we are still waiting as to why the North Korean people are not worthy of this nations assistance to relieve their starvation and oppression.

By Kelvin

February 15, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Match point, game over. Giap wins, dummies lose, AGAIN.

By QUOC THAN

February 15, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

It is strange to me that my native land of Vietnam is becoming more free at the same time Americans are being willing to have less freedom. Vietnam is becoming more like America and America more like Vietnam under the oppressors. So many Americans are letting their leaders scare them to be less free.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Thanks RW.

General Giap - You blame Rwanda on Republicans, yet when I present the generally accepted historical record, you say that I’m “nitpicking”.

Re N. Korea - Maybe they want to remind the world of the horrors of Communism? Just a little right wing humor.

Speaking of Communism, here’s a story with great photos I’m happy to share Communist Vietnamese honor John Kerry, the war protestor, as a hero in their victory over the United States in the Vietnam War

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

GG,

Make up your mind. I’m not even in this discussion, but you said you wanted some research. I think “Clinton+Rwanda” is a fairly reasonable search term. Why don’t you provide this Congressional record that shows how Clinton was chomping at the bit to save Rwanda, while the evil Republicans blocked his every move?

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Quoc Than - Maybe because the Mullahs haven’t put Vietnam on their fatwa list?

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

BTW, if you click on that handy link I provided, you’ll see my personal fave, which is the “Al-fatah” antiwar display found in photo #9. Peace General.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Your internet intelligence should equip you to find it yourself RW. But what I suggest is a HISTORY REVIEW, maybe a BOOK. U.S. history does not back up the fredom/democracy/humanitarian spin that we hear as justification for Iraq. HISTORY RW.

What about North Korea’s freedom from starvation and oppression?

By Kelvin

February 15, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Again match point, game over, Giap wins, dummies lose.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Who are your favorite historians, General? Chairman Mao? Che’? Al Franken? Al Gore? Please share your links and recommended novels, er I mean, history books with us.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

GG and your little dog Kelvin too,

Since the Gingrich revolution didn’t take office until 1995, how was it they blocked Clinton’s march to stop genocide in 1994?

So please point me to your “Revisionist History” book.

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

All you can do is, obviously, provide another snippet of spin. Even the stupid article you linked to states that the date of the meeting was 1993 (more than 18 years after the “war” ended). It also states that Kerry was in Nam to promote assistance in locating KIA/MIA’s. The fact that the Vietnamese chose to feature the photo in the way they did was to incite fascists like you. I’m curious…are you also an Oxy addict like Rush?

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

“What about North Korea’s freedom from starvation and oppression?”

What about it? Let’s hear YOUR ideas - you’re the general, and we need a multifaceted approach that includes diplomacy and military options.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Same old story. You guys have no argument and if your knowledge of history is that weak it is your problem. And actually oh unaware one. The United States Military studies Giap, Mao, Ho and others in order to better understand history and to keep it from repeating itself. The administration should do the same, but obviously did not. “Know your enemy,and in a thousand battles you will never be defeated.” Who said it?

By the way. Do the people of North Korea not deserve freedom from oppression and starvation?

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

RW,

Here is a bit of revisionist history for you.

GWB invades Iraq because there are WMD’s. When there are no WMD’s found, the mission statement is “revised”. Now we are there to bring democracy to the Middle East and freedom to the wonderful Iraqi people. Nevermind the “democracies of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and (choke…choke) Israel.

By Kelvin

February 15, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

JEEEEZ! Once again! Match point, game over, Giap wins, dummies lose. Are you guys sadomasochistic? Or are you really stupid? Everyday you get in over your heads with somebody and then then try to find googles-hit to bolster your already LAME arguments. You guys keep proving that you are stupid and then get hostile about something you do to yourself. It is getting obvious that you don’t know enough of this nations history to even argue about most issues.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

GG,

Why don’t you try actually providing some backup for your argument? (The puppy doesn’t count)

N-GA,

Are you trying to be reasonable again? You might want to read the use of force declaration sometime.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Puppy,

Would you like to explain how a Congress that took office in 1995 blocked Clinton in 1994, or is that more mythology from Google.

By NEWT

February 15, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Cut the cabal some slack. Maybe they can revise their story to read, we armed Saddam. We backed his cruel regime for many years. We sanctioned his terror. We allowed him to acquire the weapons that he used to exterminate hundreds of thousands of Kurds, and what WMDs he had were because we gave them to him and now we are being humanitarians in our efforts to clean up the mess that we made in the first place because we wanted someone to kick Iran’s a-ss in the 80’s. Saddam was in our national interest and we admit that oppression and genocide didn’t bother us at the time. But now we are righting this wrong and freeing the oppressed Iraqi’s that we helped oppress.

Maybe that is Andy, RW’s, and Buy Danish’s idea of a humanitarian venture.

By Kelvin

February 15, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Still avoiding the issue of history RW?

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Puppy,

Just providing facts.

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

General Giap (alias liberal college professor),

You seem to have a double sided opinion as how to handle aggression. On one hand, you say that Viet Nam would have cured itself of communism if we had left it to Hershey Bars and CocoCola.

On the other hand we should “cure” by force the massacres of Rwanda or the state murders of Darfur or the starvation and oppression of North Korea? What happened to your thought of chocolate bars and Cokes?

I suspect it all comes down to the fact that you don’t like any war when George W. Bush is president. That Saddam would have been ousted with your CB & C theory. That Iraq had no terrorist is like saying the eye of the hurricane is not part of the storm.

There are “good wars” ( we win) and “bad wars” (we lose). Nobody likes them. But we have ELECTED the wisest people we know to run this country. They have more information on the status of international affairs than we do. We do not have a Hitler or a Stalin as president. We are fighting tyrants and terrorism. Ask your questions. But… is it too much to ask that you support your country of freedom and justice?

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Let me relate some interesting history and pose a hypothetical question:

3/16/68 My Lai massacre occurs (300-500 dead)

9/69 Lt. Calley charged with 6 counts of murder

11/69 American public reads 1st reports of the massacre

3/31/71 Calley convicted by Court Martial and sentenced to life in prison

4/1/71 Calley released on appeal by order of President Nixon. Nixon states that he will personally monitor the appeal

8/20/71 US Army reduces Calley’s life sentence to 20 years in prison which was then immediately reduced to 10 years in prison by the Secretary of the Army

1974 Calley released after serving only 3 1/2 years of house arrest at Fort Benning

QUESTION: How would Americans react if the women and children murdered were Americans and their murderers were Muslims? Further, how would they react if the commander of the muslim murderers was released after only 3 1/2 years of house arrest?

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

You are absolutely right! We do not have a Stalin or Hitler for President. What we have is a Benito Mussolini.

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

OK RW. Here are some names that even you might recognize. Really good examples of our history of promoting freedom from oppression the world over.

Pinochet, Samoza, Duarte, d’Aubisson, Noriega, Saddam, the Shah of Iran, Pol Pot, the Pathet Lao.

That is a short list for RW. All friends of ours. So now tell me all about how we do things for purely noble reasons.

AND ONCE AGAIN. WHEN DOES OUR DESIRE TO LIBERATE THE OPPRESSED EXTEND TO THE PEOPLE OF NORTH KOREA?

By Pat Collins

February 15, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

I certainly hope that cupid immediately called a national press conference to apologize to the American people. Cupid should be held to same media standards as applied to VP Cheney!

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

GG,

Look we elected Bill Clinton twice, so we obviously don’t always do the right thing.

Why are you yelling about North Korea, didn’t Bill and Jimmy fix that? Why not use your usual plan and send them some Cokes and Snickers?

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Kelvinator - You sure are quick to claim victory, when all we’ve been involved in so far are a few minor skirmishes, and I think RW is actually the one kicking a*.

N-GA, You are misrepresenting why we went into Iraq and only giving us part of the historical record: Picture spraying of birdshot in your direction. Retreat, read U.N. resolutions, regroup, try new attack.

But! Before you do that you and the General and other Iraq war critics may want to check out this brilliant link about Clinton/Albright/Berger/Cohen and Iraq.U.S. policy on Iraq draws fire in Ohio It even features the requisite peacnix counting to four and complaining about a ‘racist war’.

General Giap - I want to know what books, other than Maoist propaganda, that we should read. I just got finished reading, “Wild Swans” by Jung Chang, so I feel pretty up on modern Chinese history. But I want more - I’m hungry for knowledge! Give us links, book titles, all of it. Please be nice and share. Or is this classified information that you are holding back from us, doing your job as an American patriot?

Re N. Korea, I’m still waiting for your solutions. Maybe we’re following the policy of “containment” that your side likes so well? Maybe we know how to pick and choose our battles and prioritize? Maybe our plate is a bit full at the moment? Maybe we connected the dots and they didn’t lead to N. Korea? Maybe if the MSM hadn’t help glorify communism these people wouldn’t be so oppressed and hungry in the first place?

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

History RW. The most important thing that one can study. History is the best indicator of the future. Unfortunately the same mistakes are repeated time after time after time. And never underestimate the importance of knowing the history of something that created whatever mess we are in at the time. Sometime because one ignores history they make a bed that is very uncomfortable to lay down in. Too many times I hear Americans boldly declare that they don’t care how some other country feels about something, blissfully ignorant of the fact that that is exactly why we are putting ourselves in the position of us against the world. That is an unwinnable contest. And now there is China.

And by the way RW, I am not advocating sending cokes and snickers. I am wondering why this administration doesn’t apply the same logic to North Korea that they have to Iraq and liberate the N. Koreans by the same method if necsssary. Does our “humanitarian” motives apply only to Iraq?

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Would any of you like to defend this Hillary statement? Feel free to wait until after you finish playing with your other revisionist stories.

Asked at a press conference for her reaction about how the White House has handled the incident, US Senator Hillary Clinton called the Bush administration’s failure to be more forthcoming “troubling.”

“A tendency of this administration — from the top all the way to the bottom — is to withhold information … to refuse to be forthcoming about information that is of significance and relevance to the jobs that all of you do, and the interests of the American people,” Clinton said.

It was so much easier to get information in the Clinton years.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

The oppressed people of North Korea have no oil. By the way, how did our oil get under their sand? Bush and Cheney are impostors. What they serve up is the image of leadership. Clinton balanced many budgets. Can anyone name the last republican to do so?

By NEWT

February 15, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Every administration in history inherited the sins of the previous administration. Scapegoating past administrations doesn’t change present fact. Every administration is obligated to deal with whatever the problem is no matter where it came from. The fault that alot of people find with this administration is that it seems to create more problems than it solves. It has brought nothing to a desirable conclusion. Things just get worse. The next administration is going to be handed probably the worst mess that any group has had to deal with from deficits to war. And it WILL NOT BE ACCEPTABLE to whine that it was inherited from this administration.

This administration is yet to be able to stand up in front of the American people and point to any significant successes only messes. At least the Clinton administration did a rather fine job dealing with the crisis in Bosnia. Maybe one day the Bushies can show us something that they have successfully handled and made better.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

GG,

North Korea is being dealt with in a multi-lateral fashion. Something that I usually hear people like you support. The exceptions are when we are actually doing it.

It may not work and we might have to do something, which would prove once again the complete worthlessness of the UN from the humanitarian position of your complaint.

From a possible military involvement standpoint China, Japan, South Korea, and Russia have a place at the table in this discussion, don’t you think?

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

GG: You make an excellent point. It was Douglas MacArthur who said: “America should not engage her troops in a land war in Asia”. MacArthur knew about war. Our leadership are cowards and weaklings. They lied us into war. America has been betrayed. Our troops have bullseyes on their backs while Bush makes commercials. The government is incompetent. They don’t think history applies to them.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

From a possible military involvement standpoint China, Japan, South Korea, and Russia have a place at the table in this discussion, don’t you think

We’re gonna need them if it ever comes to that, N. Korea won’t roll over the way Iraq did….

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

This is a well-annotated history. You should like this General. Left-Wing Monster: Pol Pot.

Pay special notice to what happened when the Dems swept congress after Watergate and dismissed Republican concerns about what would happen if we bailed. Hint, it had something to do with Kerry/Lake and “anti-communist hysteria”.

Dusty - Great post!

By General Giap

February 15, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

The humanitarian issue was started with an Andy comment. I am aware of our history and realize that we do nothing for humanitarian reasons when it comes to use of force. It is disgusting to hear people putting humanitarian spin on an issue that has not one thing to do with the goodness of this administrations heart toward the Iraqi people.

By buff

February 15, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

A story that is just now getting attention is worthy of discussion

The USS Iowa, a heralded battleship of WWII and Korea, was planning on being a permanent attraction in San Francisco Bay

The local SF pols declined that vaunted vessels being in their waters

I taped Hannity & Colmes last night and watched it this morning

Hannity was in SF and had one of the SF pols on camera who said they did not want the USS Iowa because it was a “weapon of war”

The pol was an articulate middle-aged white man, obviously well educated

I was stunned at his comments

He even said, then tried to backpedal, that the USA does not need a military; we have “police officers to guard our shores”

I am curious, what do the liberals on this blog think of SF’s decision, and his comments about the importance of military

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

That’s cute GG,

You go caps lock on me asking about humanitarian intervention and blame Andy when I answer.

By buff

February 15, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

OK

The world is coming to an end

Willie Nelson released a song about gay cowboys. He muses that “inside every cowboy a woman wants to get out”

By NEWT

February 15, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

By the way RW. Why would an administration that is so obsessed with security and terrorism be ready to turn over control of our major seaports, New Orleans, New York, New Jersey, etc to an Arab Company based in the United Arab Emirates. Fortunately once again someone “leaked” the deal before this administration could approve the lease. Now the lease is under “further review.”

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

NEWT - So basically you’re saying to pay no attention to history because that is just whining and scapegoating.

J.A.P./N-GA/Kelvinator/GG - You all just love to change the subject don’t you. If we talk about Iraq you talk about N. Korea. If we talk about N. Korea you talk about Iran. If we don’t follow Kerry’s example and use endless diplomacy, we get accused of being cowboys. When we use diplomacy with Iran we get accused by Hilary Clinton of wasting our time dealing with the Europeans. Anyone can be a critic. Give us a PLAN!

Meanwhile, I’m still trying to understand the connection between REPUBLICANS and RWANDA, but the general is stingy and won’t share his classified data with us.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

I don’t know Newt,

I’ll look at the resource material you provided and see if I can find some nefarious shenanigans.

By NEWT

February 15, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

Giap gave you a whole list of names. If you know their history his argument becomes perfectly clear.

By buff

February 15, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Now, here is an example of the lunacy on college campuses across America

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

RW - Don’t you know that Hilary would have been more forthcoming but she didn’t remember what happened? Meanwhile, I’ve been reading the Wall Street Journal for years, but I still haven’t figured out how to make an overnight killing on cattle futures. She says that they have instructions right inside their pages, but I guess I need some of that super secret ink that Dusty knows about to find them.

NEWT - RE the UAE - I agree that this could be problematic. The UAE are allies, but then again many terrorist scum are from the UAE.

But since you mentioned it, I also have to ask why Clinton turned our Long Beach,CA port over to the Chinese, and why Peanut gave Panama back?

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

It does seem to be an endless loop of obfuscation. I think they are playing a little name association game.

Where are those Rose law firm billing records again? That box in the closet keeps getting in my way of finding them. /HRCR

By NEWT

February 15, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Buy-Danish. What was said was that the country deserves leaders that fix the problems of the past. It was made in reference to the finger pointing at previous administrations. It matters not who created the problem at hand. It is all about leaders that FIX IT.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

NEWT - “Giap gave you a whole list of names. If you know their history his argument becomes perfectly clear”.

I began at random and checked out Pol Pot. Its not clear in the least and in fact my positions are only further bolstered. See 11:23 a.m. post for link.

I checked out Clinton and Iraq. Same thing happened! See 11:07 a.m. post for the link.

Recent humanitarian efforts that did NOT involve force: Pakistan earthquake, Tsunami recovery. You guys always talk about our “sins” but conveniently omit our generous “good works”. Of course, compared to Castro, Chavez, and other U.S. neighbors, our humanitarian efforts are stingy and selfish and we’re polluters too, so that makes us really, really evil.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

How could I forget?! Recent humanitarian effort that required military intervention: Hurricane Katrina.

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

I think it can all be easily summed up. The neo-con/republicans control the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the government. So now they can: 1. Solve the Social Security problem 2. Solve the Medicare problem 3. Solve the oil addiction problem 4. Solve the unbalanced budget problem 5. Solve the Iran problem 6. Solve the North Korea problem 7. Solve the China trade problem 8. Solve the terrorism problem 9. Solve the French problem 10. Solve the bird flu problem 11. Solve the global warming problem 12. Solve the global hunger problem 13. Solve the AIDS problem 14. Solve the United Nations problem 15. Solve the Syria problem 16. Shoot themselves in the head and solve the real problem

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Andy,

When you get back would you take “N-GA’s” little to do list. That one deserves a special touch that only you can provide.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

NEWT - Our elected leaders are trying to fix the situation, but you Dems keep obstructing our efforts. Harry Reid is singing with joy that he “killed the Patriot Act”. We try to reform social security and you let that “Special interest group” called the AARP, block it and then you offer NO other options.

I could go on, but I’m going to take my dog for a walk, enjoy the day, and give you all time to connect RWANDA to the REPUBLICANS, and read my Pol Pot and Clinton/Iraq links.

See ya later!

By RE

February 15, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

Compare and contrast:

Ted Kennedy;

Got into a car accident with a woman who was not his wife, escaped the wreck then waited 7-9 hours to report to the police.

Enlisted in US Army during Korean war, but served a non combat role in France

Dick Cheney;

Shot a campaign contributer during a hunting outing with two woman, niether of whom was his wife. Waited 18-24 hours to report the incident

Received 5 deferments from Vietnam after graduating college

By buff

February 15, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

N-Ga

I suggest you try #16 on yourself

If you lack the hardware I will be delighted to provide it to you

yours is one of the most stupid posts I have ever red on a blog

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

RE,

Odd that you left out the inconvenient fact that the woman in Kennedy’s car was suffocating in am air pocket during the swimmers wait, while an ambulance was called and medical attention was given in the Cheney case.

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

I don’t remember there being any congressman with the name AARP. This administration has much more than a narrow majority in both houses of congress, yet cannot implement the legislation they say is needed.

I think it is because the neo-cons thrive on problems. 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to GWB, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. If they can maintain FEAR in the American people by telling them about terrorism coming to these shores, Social Security & Medicare going bankrupt, etc., they think they can continue “governing”. Personally I believe every last one of them are traitors to the American people and the values that helped create America.

By RE

February 15, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

But at least both of them had enough time to sober up before going to the cops

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

while an ambulance was called and medical attention was given in the Cheney case.

Doesn’t Cheney travel with an ambulance in case another heart attack decides to strike? I don’t think they had to call one, one was already there.

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Now we hear from Buff, another wimpy bed wetter in the mode of Candy Andy. He can’t refute the post, so he attacks the author.

Next you’ll be calling me a Pinko!

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

RE,

Are you really planning to stick with this argument that a hunting accident is equal to LETTING A GIRL DIE IN YOUR CAR?

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Now then, it was reported that Cheney’s victim was life-flighted to a hospital. Here in North GA it costs $11,000 for a life flight to Chattanooga. In Vail, it cost $15,000 for a life flight to Denver.

I wonder who paid for this Republican contributor’s life flight?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Seeing as how both Mr. Cheney and the victim are millionares, I don’t think it matters either way…

By RE

February 15, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

not the accident, the handling of it. Your right, Kennedy should have used the crowbar he was carrying and got the scuba tank out of the back seat so he could pry the door open and rescue the girl.

Come on, lets hear cheneys defense. If I had the option I would wait until I sobered up before calling the police as well.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

RE,

Nothing Cheney or anyone else says will matter to you, bit he will be on with Brit Hume/FNC at 6:00 tonight.

Kennedy got his own sorry a-ss out of the car that was sitting in 4 feet of water.

By getalife

February 15, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Have y’all had a cardiac cath. done.

I have and it sucked.

Cheney should be locked up.

Criminal.

By finch

February 15, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

After a review of this morning’s guns, I’m really glad nobody here has firearms that work over web connections. RW, it will be such fun when your evil twin arrives to confront N-GA.

ANd now for the lighter side of the news:

“VICE PRESIDENT Dick Cheney accidentally shot documentary filmmaker Michael Moore yesterday as Moore was walking out of a Manhattan Denny’s.”

Read on and discover how Chertoff, Brown, and every Democratic member of the Senate Judiciary Committee were shot in an apparent plot to gun down Maureen Dowd.

Only in America.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Well I’m out for awhile. It’s not you finch really, trust me.

I’ll be anticipating your tales of how a drunken Prescott Bush kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

I had to step out for a few minutes and I see that libs are spouting off the same surrender monkey nonsense that they were before I left. I would just like to interject a few points:

1- Bush has been in office for 5 years and he has freed at least 2 whole entire countries from tyranny which is better than what you pinkos have done in, oh, let’s just say, ever.

2- We can’t fight the whole entire world of dictators at once, it is silly for you to even suggest that. I’m willing to venture that we will get around to solving Korea’s problem, do you mind if we finish in the Middle East first?

3- What is this moonbat attack warrior garbage anyway? You democrats have slam freaked out, gutting your own political party, taking it slam out of contention with your foaming outbursts, over the invasion of one oppressed regime. Now you want us to prove our foreign policy dedication by warring with the whole entire rest of the world?

As I said earlier, the more you liberals talk about national security, the more you look like the idiot pinkos that you are. So, by all means, keep it up!

By RE

February 15, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Andy;

under FDR, that whole WWII thing, France, Italy, Belgium, Norway, Germany, Also all of northern africa, and eastern europe as well, however that did come under control of stalin, a lateral move at best

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

N-GA & RE

Keep trying. Make a big deal out of a hunting accident. I can find about three suggestive ideas you included, none of which were founded in fact. You keep trying to make a fiasco by suggesting lies. Why don’t you run over to San Francisco and join the other traiterous anti-military groups? We don’t like your “stuff” here.

By Andy's Mom

February 15, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

Be careful son. Be nice to people. If ya keep on a callin people names I’ll have to tell em a little more about you.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Bush is doing for Southwest Asia what Cheney did for Whittington. Have we borrowed enough from China yet? We’re hitting 2 Billion dollars a day to save Bush rictus. Why aren’t you half-baked heroes in service? Why haven’t you served? How many of you are on the dole? Typical Republican cowards: send someone elses kids to fight.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

N-GA - Your completely irrelevant ‘life flight’ comment just confirmed my suspicions that you are a model of progressive class envy. Of course if you are ever life-flighted somewhere I guess the taxpayers will pick up the tab which is so much better than paying for it yourself.

You do raise one issue that you didn’t fully extrapolate for us: If Cheney volunteers to pay the lawyers’ bills, will you all charge him with a quid pro quo coverup and try to impeach him?

Futher, if you’re going to insist that 9/11 was just the greatest thing that ever happened to W, then I suggest that you may want to contact Sore Loserman for a job. With your acute sense of paranoia and highly delusional theories, I bet he’d hire you on the spot.

RW - Following Hilary’s example and in the interest of full disclosure, I’m reporting that Rush played a hilarious montage of Hilary not recalling anything about how her grotesque brother, Hugh Rodham, managed to criminally benefit from nepotism and cronyism. I’d forgotten about that particular memory lapse!

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Just posted from Drudge: ” ABCNEWS PLANS AIRING OF SADDAM TAPES TONIGHT: Saddam talking with his advisors about hitting Washington with WMD, hiding weapons, etc… Developing… “.

I guess they’re in a ratings war with Fox/Brit Hume/Cheney interview.

So much to watch tonight, and the Olympics too!

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I’m not anti-military. My father flew 50 combat missions in WWII. I got sucked into ACTIVE DUTY (from 1969-75…I did 1 re-up), and I have 2 brothers and a brother-in-law who all served on ACTIVE duty and have the DD-214’s to prove it.

What I am opposed to is having some draft-dodging cowards decide to send this country to war over some lies and suppositions. The USA has illegally invaded a sovereign nation (excuse - PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE), just like Germany did to start WWII.

You don’t see a draft because the voters wouldn’t stand for it. You don’t see any Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, or Cheney kinfolk over there because cowardice tends to run in the family. What you do see is that the average Iraqi wants the US out of their country. But we don’t really care what they want, do we?

By Karen

February 15, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

To listen to some of you argue that if a person does not agree with or even like GWB they are traitors or pinkos. Can 61% of this populous be traiters and pinkos? Could it not be simply that this administration has just lost the trust of many Americans to include those from the mainstream? At one time Bush had the support of a majoruty of the American people. It was up to him to keep it. To call people that won’t just blindly follow the man off a cliff traitors and pinkos is ridiculous and un-American as well.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

N-GA - I’m double posting this just to be absolutely sure that you don’t miss it:

“Just posted from Drudge: â€? ABCNEWS PLANS AIRING OF SADDAM TAPES TONIGHT: Saddam talking with his advisors about hitting Washington with WMD, hiding weapons, etc… Developing… “.

By buff

February 15, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Rush just had a really funny line

“The sequel to Brokeback Mountain is going to be entitled Saddle Sore Canyon”

Go USS Iowa

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Wow, Buy Danish. Once again you speak, but nothing comes out of your mouth.

My observation about the life flight was posted because I suspect that the American taxpayer will likely pay for Cheney’s misfire. FYI, Very few insurance policies come close to covering the full cost of life flights.

And since you seem so smug about me having progressive class envy, perhaps it will enlighten you to know that I have more than likely paid a great deal more in taxes in 1 year than you have earned in ten years. You, I suspect, can only wish to join the upper 5 percent of Americans when measured by net worth. FOOL!

By RE

February 15, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Hi Dusty:

“Kenedy County Chief Deputy Gilbert San Miguel Jr. issued a statement late yesterday saying the incident had been investigated by local authorities and was determined to be “no more than a hunting accident.” He told reporters the case remains open.

Local law enforcement officials did not interview Cheney until Sunday morning, about 14 hours after the shooting, in an agreement worked out between the Secret Service and Kenedy County Sheriff Ramon Salinas III. Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said at least one deputy was turned away shortly after the shooting because security personnel at the ranch were not aware of the agreement between the sheriff and the Secret Service.”

Can you wait until 14 hours after you shoot someone to sober up, I don’t think the cops would give you that much leeway

By Real Patriot

February 15, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

My father is a retired Brigadier General and West Point graduate. I am a West Point graduate. My oldest daughter is presently attending the U.S. Naval Academy and I find reason as Karen says, not to “blindly follow the man off a cliff.” Your propensity to cast disparagement on other Americans because they choose not to agree with the president or even dislike him goes against the very principles that you claim to defend. Freedom. And that includes the freedom to not like George Bush. Obviously 61% of this nation are not un-American, unpatriotic,or disloyal to this nations bedrock principles. You have the right to love the man. They have the right not to.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

RE: World War 2 didn’t feature Republicans stabbing FDR in the back at every step, slobbering and drooling over each step his administration made, like Bush has to deal with today. Let’s call it a war of mutual cooperation, you pinkos should study it and learn some civility.

Daniel: How many of us have our panties in a wad when we should be showing strength and solidarity with our soldier in the field?

N-GA: Bill Clinton was a country abandoning draft dodger who took this nation to war and I never heard one peep out of you sissy liberals about that c-rap. If Dick Cheney’s and Donald Rumsfeld’s strategy and planning keep soldiers from getting slaughtered, and 2200 hundred deaths are heartbreaking but also miraculously low, they are more than qualified to lead our armies.

You are a piece of garbage if you just offhandly declare people that support the troops as “cowards.” It takes millions of citizens to sustain just a few soldiers, some of them weak and disadvantaged. Are you saying you are better then them? Scumbag.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

N-GA - You said, Now then, it was reported that Cheney’s victim was life-flighted to a hospital. Here in North GA it costs $11,000 for a life flight to Chattanooga. In Vail, it cost $15,000 for a life flight to Denver. I wonder who paid for this Republican contributor’s life flight?

You know NGA, you never actually made that American Taxpayer connection, so I guess we are all supposed to be psychics or on riding your moonbat wave length. Can you do a better job of connecting the dots for us next time?

Meanwhile, I thought that he was such a rich mofo from all his Halliburton years that he wouldn’t need to charge the taxpayer for a measly $11,000 dollars. I mean, he smokes that for lunch!

Hope you got your big screen tv set for ABC news tonight!

You’re only in the top 5%?

By Karen

February 15, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Good point RE. Why would officials of the U.S. government keep local officials away from what appeared to be an obvious accident and one which they have total jurisdiction over. This is another really good illustration of why this crowd is not trusted. They don’t even appear to be trustworthy. They are their own worst enemy.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Karen: It seems sort of odd that the only time that “majority” or “61%” are all for you liberals and your ideas, it isn’t on election day. We are a real wishy washy society, aren’t we?

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Americans like me served this country so that bed wetters like you can spew your fascist B.S. You are just not smart enough to debate real issues. Why not review some of my posts from earlier today. I posted about Lt. William Calley, but none of you wing-nuts had the nerve to respond. I posted about the Republican-controlled “DO-NOTHING” Congress, but got no response other than RW sending out a post to you (Bed Wetter, cum laude) to respond when you returned (from changing your boxers/briefs, one would guess. All you can do is repeat the various neo-con mantras: war on terror, Hillary, Kerry, Saddam, etc.

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Right, N-Ga, You aren’t anti-military. You are anti-country. Your hate of the president has led you into the reaches of treachery and you don’t even know it. Don’t start preaching about your military record. Most of my family have been in the military, some recently. But none of them were “sucked” in. I am not eligible, thank you. President Bush served in the military, even if you don’t want to recognize it. Maybe the draft dodging cowards you mentioned were people like President Clinton. Most of the stuff you put out is flim-flam and none of it patriotic.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Oh good, looks like BuyDanish and N-GA are engaged in a game of my wallet is bigger than yours. Such playground antics…

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Karen and Real Patriot - If you read the threads, I don’t think you’ll find anyone suggesting that we follow W off a cliff, or anything of the sort. What you will find is a bunch of wackos rewriting history (see RWANDA and REPUBLICANS) and a few conservatives trying to set the record straight with facts.

BTW, I’m a former democrat, my grandfather and greatgrandfather served in Congress as Democrats, we were cousins, neighbors and friends of FDR, and yet despite all those connections to the democratic party, I fled in 1994 after it became crystal clear that it was not the party of FDR or even JFK any longer. It was once possible to be a conservative, a patriot, and a democrat.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

N-GA: You ain’t smart enough to accept what you hear unless it comes from a bigoted racist pinko like you. If you really did even “serve your country,” who were you fighting for, scumbag? The strong? Dictators of the world? Most normal people fight for the weak, the “bedwetters” that you masturbating immorally depraved perverts like to talk and obsess about, homo, because those people are too weak to fight for themselves.

Sick mofo.

By RE

February 15, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Ok, I will try to stop being negative here and look at the positives.

After watching Bush for 5 years, I have a greater appreciation of Nixon’s honesty and integrity

After watching cheney this weekend I have a greater appreciation of Ted Kennedy’s ability to do the right thing in a quick direct way, even if it is personally embarrasing.

By Andy's Mom

February 15, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Andy, callin somebody a piece of garbage ain’t right.

Folks I apologize for my son. I took him to his shrink this morning and while nothin can change the xy chromosome imbalance that he got from his daddy who has a same sex partner, they have tried to get him to deal with it a little better. He takes out his frustration at his condition by getting real nasty with other people on blogs. Before the internet I had him going in the right direction because I could always find his magazines. Ya know the ones with the nekid men in em. But then that damn Al Gore went and invented the internet and now he has all these nekid man sites to look at and at the same time he just gets worse and worse. When we came home today he rushed to his room and took out his anger on that blowup man doll that looks like Che Guevara. After he relieved himself of his “anger” he started his nastiness with you bloggers. He is sittin in there nekid being mean to other people and lookin at dirty pictures.

Somebody please help me and my boy.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

President Bush served in the military

In what way? Flying training missions?

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

I’ll wager that the Mayor of Spokane, Washington was first in line to see Brokeback Mountain.

BTW, Cheney’s hunting “companion” was non-other than Pamela Willeford, the US ambassador to Switzerland. It was reported that Lynn Cheney is not fond of Ms. Willeford. So, was the delay because of beer (Cheney has 2 confirmed, but dated DUI’s), or to get the boy/girl situation cleared up?

By Karen

February 15, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

The midterms are coming. That will tell us alot won’t it?

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

RE: Swimmer Kennedy left a woman to drown in a creek, so by all means, congratulate him on his actions. It’s exactly what I would expect out of you pinkos.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

J.A.P. - N-GA started it, so I just decided to make a little joke about it. I never said anything about the size of MY wallet. But, if that is what you think is the most important post to discuss, feel free.

Just a reminder: Watch ABC news tonight.

By RE

February 15, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

I was trying to be positive andy, I know Teddy should have used the scuba tank and crowbar he was carrying to get here out of the car. I admit that

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I never cease to be amused at how little it takes to send you off the deep end. That is why us real Americans are not really concerned about how long the fascists will remain in power. You and your sister, Buy Danish, really don’t concern me unless I happen to read about you blowing up an abortion clinic or something. Your poor mama!! She probably had a hysterectomy after she had you.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

I never said anything about the size of MY wallet

No, not directly, but then again, when you asked if N-Ga were only in the top 5%, you implied that you were in at least the top 4% so I guess it depends on what your definition of is is…

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Jewish And Proud: It’s a sure sign of mental deficiency when you judge somebodies rights based upon their service in the military. I failed to notice that language in the Constitution. Is this how you personally feel that we should govern our nation? The military in control of everything. The weak should just have their rights trampled by the strong?

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Asked at a press conference for her reaction about how the White House has handled the incident, US Senator Hillary Clinton called the Bush administration’s failure to be more forthcoming “troubling.”

And I here I thought the Clinton’s weren’t very forthcoming when Vince Foster “blew his brains out (wink, wink)” in Fort Marcy Park. But what ever lib, just roll around with the dripping hypocrisy.

By finch

February 15, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

“…the “bedwettersâ€? that you masturbating immorally depraved perverts like to talk and obsess about, homo… “

Lowering the debate bar again I see. Good show.

N-GA, don’t let rants like that go to your head. You’re dealing with an Excitable Boy here.

Danish, you are a shining hope for real Conservatives. Unlike the faux-cons here. Tally-ho!

By Real Patriot

February 15, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

What I see is one group ridiculing another for exercising their right to an opinion and to disagree. What is more un-American. Their viewpoint or your condemnation, ridiculing, and name calling. Is their something in the Constitution that says all Americans have to like, respect, trust, an elected official. No. Does the Constitution say they have the right not to and to say it. Yes. Just as you have the right to disagree with them. Dissent and disagreement is not unamerican.

By Ray Powell

February 15, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

I enjoyed your discussion on NPR’s Talk of the Nation. I’m not a cartoonist, but I wanted to pass this along. I thought it would be interesting to have Jesus, Moses, and Muhammad all sitting at a table. Muhammed’s back would, of course, be turned to the viewer so that we can’t see him. They could be arguing which one of their respective religions has been used to justify the most hatred, violence and murder.Moses could start with some Israeli victimization of Palestinians; Christ could trump that with the Spanish Inquisition, witch trial, Crusades, etc. (and I mean “etc”) and Muhammad could of course go back to the Middle Ages and recently 9/11, etc. “and besides,” he could say, which one of you could cause rioting, violence and murder just by turning around?” as he begins to turn around. The other two grab him to keep him turning around and concede, “You win.”

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

Karen, the Secret Service was right there on the famous quail hunt. They are not the local police force, but they certainly are law officers. No one has ever suggested that anybody was drunk, as you did. Where did you get that propaganda?

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Oddball gay finch: Look and see who called who a so that bed wetters like you can spew your fascist B.S. You are just not smart enough to debate real issues. Why not review some of my posts from earlier today. I posted about Lt. William Calley, but none of you wing-nuts had the nerve to respond first. Isn’t it typical for a bunch of sorry libs to dish it out but not be able to take it?

By Karen

February 15, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

You just keep proving the point that you can’t see the forest for the trees when it comes to your support of the president. You don’t even know how anyone else feels about the Foster case. You just keep reverting back like some moronic little child to something not of the here and now. We are talking about this incident. Not Foster, not Chappaquidick, only the Cheney incident. And you just don’t want to deal with it because you can’t explain it. I’m surprised that that blow up doll you entertain yourself with isn’t wearing a Bush mask.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

RE says, I have a greater appreciation of Ted Kennedy’s ability to do the right thing in a quick direct way, even if it is personally embarrasing.

Like what?

J.A.P.- From (http://www.ang.af.mil/) “Although the Air National Guard was not established as a separate component of the U.S. Air Force until 1947, National Guard aviators have played significant roles in all of America’s wars and most of its major contingencies since the beginning of the 20th Century…”

A word of caution - there are a lot of military families who are not going to like it if you insist that the ANG is not a legitimate military unit.

By RE

February 15, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Dusty, from the “eye witness”

, Armstrong initially reported to MSNBC (before they scrubbed the story) that some beer may have been in the community picnic basket lunch the hunting party shared. No idea whether the Veep partook or not — but we’ll never know, since the police officers were turned away at the front gate by Katherine Armstrong’s security staffers.

By NEWT

February 15, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Be careful what you ask for Andy. A special prosecutor looked into the Foster thing. Maybe this should be looked into as well. After all the hoopla over the Foster death it would not be unreasonable for people to wonder if the VP was under the influence when he shot someone and just like in the Foster case. Alot of inquiring minds might like to know. What was the purpose of stonewalling the locals for 14 hours over an obvious accident. Maybe something contributed to the accident. Maybe it was an alchohol related incident. If not once again they were their own worst enemy by creating the perception of wrongdoing.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

A word of caution - there are a lot of military families who are not going to like it if you insist that the ANG is not a legitimate military unit

I didn’t say any such thing BD, all I asked was in what capacity Bush served the military…I didn’t say anything about the National Guard not being an actual arm of the military..sheesh, you can really put some spin on things can’t you…

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

oddball gay finch’s idea of raising the bar: I’m surprised that that blow up doll you entertain yourself with isn’t wearing a Bush mask.

What are you talking about anyway, Karen? Is this that little liberal problem of how you guys like to tell everybody how to live their lives but then live yours totally different? How pinkos can kill and murder and drown, it’s no big deal, but when a Republican accidentally wounds a friend….

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Hey, Buy Danish. ANG can stand for either ARMY or AIR National Guard.

Now then, when I was in basic training, all of us regular GI’s poplitely referred to the National Guard dudes as FANG’s.

I’m sure you can figure that acronym out. We knew we were going to be deployed (in 1969) and we knew they were going home after basic. GWB was sipping beers with his Texas FANG buddies.

The Reservists today are paying GWB’s dues because he can’t get the military draft going again because it would be political suicide.

At least in Israel, everyone is required to serve.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Real Patriot - It does get a bit wearing at times trying to get the subject back to facts and away from fantasy. Anyone can say whatever they want, but that does not mean that we have to agree. Blogging is a shining example of free speech at work. Defending our President against moonbats is not a criminal offense either.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Oddball gay finch’s idea of “raising the bar of the conversation:”

By Andy’s Mom

February 15, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Andy, callin somebody a piece of garbage ain’t right.

Folks I apologize for my son. I took him to his shrink this morning and while nothin can change the xy chromosome imbalance that he got from his daddy who has a same sex partner, they have tried to get him to deal with it a little better. He takes out his frustration at his condition by getting real nasty with other people on blogs. Before the internet I had him going in the right direction because I could always find his magazines. Ya know the ones with the nekid men in em. But then that damn Al Gore went and invented the internet and now he has all these nekid man sites to look at and at the same time he just gets worse and worse. When we came home today he rushed to his room and took out his anger on that blowup man doll that looks like Che Guevara. After he relieved himself of his “anger� he started his nastiness with you bloggers. He is sittin in there nekid being mean to other people and lookin at dirty pictures.

Somebody please help me and my boy.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the info NGA - I gave you the link to follow.

Sheesh.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

At least in Israel, everyone is required to serve

Thanks for pointing that out N-Ga. EVERYONE!!! Men and women…

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Oddball gay finch’s idea of “raising the bar of the conversation” and pinko hypocrisy in full swing:

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

16. Shoot themselves in the head and solve the real problem

By RE

February 15, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Dusty, can we trust the eyewitness?

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

N-GA - So military training is mandatory in Israel. So what? Do you live in Israel?

Were you drafted? Is that why you are so keen on Bush re-starting a military draft? You want to get even? Just curious, because you are simmering with resentment and I’m trying to figure out what the source is.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Name one promise Bush has kept? What is the Iraq war plan? How much will we borrow from China? When is the Trade Deficit too high? Will Bush balance even one Budget? What is the Katrina Relief Plan? What is the R&D to preserve what is left of America’s manufacturing jobs? Why did Homeland Security miss the destruction of New Orleans? Who has hijacked the Republican Party? Where is the leadership? Why does the government care only for the rich and powerful? Who is looking out for the rest of us?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

*By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Oddball gay finch’s idea of “raising the bar of the conversation� and pinko hypocrisy in full swing:

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

16. Shoot themselves in the head and solve the real problem.*

Aren’t you always telling the libs to come up with ideas for solutions to the problems of this country? Seems to me that N-Ga was just responding to your request.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

That is about what I would expect from you all, J&P…

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Who got the 9 Billion missing in Iraq?

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

May I repeat two definitions from Webster:

Dissent—a difference of opinion.

Propaganda—the spreading of ideas, info or rumors for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person.

What I object to is the use of our freedom of speech as a tool for spreading propaganda. Dissent becomes more than a difference of opinion when it is used to injure our country or our president. That is what I see when I read outright lies, purposeful insinuations or rumors which undermine the presidency and the country. Who does that help? Only the people who hate Americans, the terrorists.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

J.A.P. - I guess you’re not too up on current events. If you’d been watching 60 minutes you’d know the answer and wouldn’t have had to ask the question.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Propaganda—the spreading of ideas, info or rumors for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

I suppose none of the above has been used by this administration to further its policy?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

J.A.P. - I guess you’re not too up on current events

Bush’s military service is a current event?

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

J&P: America is lead by greedy cowards. They will never, that is: NEVER institute a draft. The lack the courage. They’re too busy grabbing the dough. They feed the suckers Schiavo. Dusty: It’s nap-time. Anyone else: Name one promise Bush has kept?

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

J.A.P. No, not directly, but then again, when you asked if N-Ga were only in the top 5%, you implied that you were in at least the top 4% so I guess it depends on what your definition of is is… Blah blah blah.

Talk about nitpicking. It was a JOKE J.A.P. in response to stupid, boastful comment that N-GA made.

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Everyone cannot be everywhere reading and watching every newspaper article or television show. So why the smart a** comment. If J&P of it asks a question, you owe her an answer, not B.S. Or don’t respond at all.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Talk about nitpicking. It was a JOKE J.A.P. in response to stupid, boastful comment that N-GA made

I know BD, I’m just f—-in with you..

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

RE,

You may have a bottle of beer in your refrig. May I say that you are probably drinking and therefore drunk. And may I say —that explains a lot of your explanations. Good old free speech here.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

J&P of it asks a question, you owe her an answer.

Wrong gender N-Ga…

By kimberly

February 15, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

No one has ever suggested that anybody was drunk Dusty, before I read that the mention of alcohol was reported and then scrubbed, I naturally considered the possibility, as men have been known to drink whilst toting guns around in the woods on the weekend. I imagine members of the Sheriff’s office, familiar with the weekend habits of American males, went to investigate this possibility, and others, but were unable to complete the investigation when they were turned away at the front door by the Secret Service. Had they entered, and interviewed the VP in the first hour, then they could conclusively assert that he was not drinking. However, now they cannot.

Hmmm…. Like the wiretap lovers always say, “If you’re not hiding anything, then why not bare it all?”

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Hmmm…. Like the wiretap lovers always say, “If you’re not hiding anything, then why not bare it all?�

Touche Kimberly, Touche!

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

N-GA - Well, for starters we have this little thing called, “Search engines”, so if one has a question like that, it’s pretty easy to look up the answer.

I took JAPs comment to be sarcasm, because it is hard to believe that someone who blogs here wouldn’t know the answer to that question. Moreover, you just went on to prove the logic of my inference that it was meant in sarcasm because you immediately disparaged service in the ANG!

Phew. This is getting really tedious. Maybe flash cards would help?

By JimG

February 15, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

If you’re not hiding anything, then why not bare it all?”

I think thats also the “Girls Gone Wild” Motto

By RE

February 15, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

You would make a great prosecutor Dusty, at least if I ever have to go to court, I hope you are prosecuting council.

Let me get this right.

So there was beer present and a few of the people were drinking (according to armstrong) but not Cheney. Then cops were turned away for 14 hours, not because cheney needed to sober up but because…Why? I am not really sure, Could you fill that in for me

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Hey Buy Danish,

My comment about the top 5% was precipitated by your comment:

“Your completely irrelevant ‘life flight’ comment just confirmed my suspicions that you are a model of progressive class envy. Of course if you are ever life-flighted somewhere I guess the taxpayers will pick up the tab which is so much better than paying for it yourself.”

My response was directed specificly at your accusation that I am a model of class envy. The fact that I was discharged from active duty in 1975 as a S/Sgt, yet used the GI Bill and became successful still wasn’t enough to make me greedy and selfish like you and yours. Anything I might say about my personal financial status would only be said to point out to you that not all moderates or Progressives have to rely on government handouts. I simply give you the facts…you simply use them, distort them for your own fascist needs, and go on.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

took JAPs comment to be sarcasm, because it is hard to believe that someone who blogs here wouldn’t know the answer to that question

I just started blogging here last week and have only been “in country” since September. I have to return to the homeland this September. I have to say, I have enjoyed my time here. Have met many interesting people and have made many friends, both personal and virtual :). I appreciate the hospitality that most have shown me on my visit and will take back many fond memories when I return.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

Lies, lying liars that tell those lies, rhymes with liberal:

“Was Cheney drunk?” There is no known evidence to support that notion — and there is a sheriff’s report which specifically says, “”The investigation reveals that there was no alcohol or misconduct involved in the incident.”

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

J.A.P. Bush’s military service is a current event? If you’re in the MSM or a member of the wackoleft, it is always a current event!

Just like Bush’s “drinking problem” that always gets dug up by snide bush haters when ever possible. Dittoes to Cheney. Just read today’s posts from the side you lean on.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

�The investigation reveals that there was no alcohol or misconduct involved in the incident.�

The “investigation” wasn’t allowed to get under way for 14 hours, please account for that time for us…Mr. All-knowing, all-seeing…

By David200

February 15, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

“It may soon be too costly to lean left.

A new poll from the Pew Research Center has again raised the issue of liberal bias in the media. A growing body of academic research at top universities supports it. Unfortunately, those in the major media still don’t get it and are unlikely to change their behavior, resulting in further declines in ratings and circulation.”

…and an article in a far right magazine is an unbiased source too, right?

Newsflash…. this just in…Fox News is conservative and presents facts in a conservative light. Second newsflash… the new York Times has a liberal slant…

2+2 now equals what you want it to be

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

If I were an old fogey like you, I would take a nap. Why don’t you go play with Andy’s mother? She just took her dementia medicine.

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Again,

Was the 14 hour delay needed to cover up alcohol abuse, or to get the VP’s companion spirited away?

To borrow a thought from another website, Cheney and his staff must have known that a 14 hour delay would cause some problems. Obviously those problems must be more tolerable than whatever needed to be swept under the carpet during that 14 hour lapse.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

J&P: It’s like an official police report that says there was no drinking. What do you want me to do, bay at the moon in unison with you kooks?

Hey did you moonbats know that Bush got out of bed this morning and took a dump in the toilet?!?! It went through the pipes of the White House and out into the river?!?! A poor, endangered fish probably ate it?!?! It settle to the bottom of the river and is impeding barge traffic?!?! Ooops on the last one, interfering with commerce is a good thing with the pinkos BUT IT WAS BUSH’S TURD!!!!

By jimG

February 15, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

Maybe Cheney wanted a lawyer present. I know, I know, I’m reaching here.

By kimberly

February 15, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Yes, there is an unanswered question on the table. If YOU shot YOUR friend on a Saturday evening, could YOU postpone your chat with the police until Sunday? I mean, without hiding in Ashley Smith’s apartment.

By DavidU

February 15, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

If the Cheney incident is what’s going to win or lose the elections for either party I think we(as Americans) are completely s.crewd

By Cherish

February 15, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

Andy for President!!!!!

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Andy….We wouldn’t want to interfere with commerce, now would we? Not with Exxon setting new profit records while a bunch of companies are having the US Government (read: taxpayer) bail out their pension obligations.

I went into a Walmart the other day. I just walked into the clothing department and started looking at where each article was manufactured. I had a list of 19 foreign countries, but not one article of clothing was made in the USA. And this research took less than 3 minutes. I remember when Walmart used to note “Made in the USA” in its advertisements. But then Sam Walton was alive then.

Yea, commerce is such a wonderful thing. Like the Marianna Island workers who are not covered by US minimum wage laws. Oh, I forgot, Abramoff had some USA lawmakers over there and……well, you know. But that’s just this Pinko’s silly observations.

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Oh, Kimberly, our private investigator has now returned.

Funny, I thought the sheriff’s department was investigating a shooting accident on a quail hunt, not a drunken brawl.

Also, I am not an expert on the habits of men hunting in the woods. But I did want to buy a 410 at the local hardware store one time. Does that qualify me as an investigator of unseen bird hunts?

By Andy

February 15, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

You went into Walmart and came out alive, N-GA!!!! They didn’t chain you to the floor buffer?!?! They didn’t lock you into the stock room?!?! They are out to GET all of us, burying us in low priced merchandise, we won’t be able to breath bacause of all the stuff!!!! Why, oh why do they hate us?!?!

By buff

February 15, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

N-Ga

Cheney does not care what the media thinks

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Let’s see now. Kenedy County, Texas:

population - 414 residents employed by government - 22% 25 years old who have H.S. diploma or higher 57.9% !! county size - 1456.8 sq. mi. (land - 488 sq.mi (water)) location of incident - Armstrong Ranch size of ranch - 50,000 acres

Must have been one helleva investigation. I’ll bet there was no blood test. Oh, I guess it would have been to late, unless we need to DNA test someone. Ambassador Willeford, are you available for questions?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

Cheney does not care what the media thinks

Probably the most true thing said on this blog all day. Good show Buff!

By N-GA

February 15, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Darn Andy….I can’t believe it is you resorting to inane sarcasm. Me thinks it must be your incestuously conceived sibling, Andy VIII. You have to love foreign imports. After all, you wouldn’t be here if your mama had insisted that your daddy use a condom made in the US of A. Instead, he used one made in Haiti.

Oh well…another event in the Universe of events.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Just saw excerpts of Cheney/Hume interview. All I can say is that he looks a lot better than the W.H. press corps.

P.S. He had one beer for lunch, but the “incident” occured hours later at dusk, so they could have performed all the breatholizers in the world and it wouldn’t have made him come out “drunk”.

N-GA - You’re right, I did make a “class” envy remark, but money and class are not the same thing, so I was not referring to your wallet. I made the remark because your post about the cost of life-flighting implied a little, uh, envy, or anger or something irrational. Someone gets “life-flighted” and you tell us how much it costs? And your point was…?

BTW, I appreciate your military service, if that makes you feel any better. I wish I understood why you are SO p’d off at Walmart though. Especially since, no one is forcing you to shop there.

By buff

February 15, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

I have never heard of a breathalyzer being used in circumstances other than auto related

Is it common?

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Now you moonbats have your smoking gun Cheney had a beer at lunch 5 and 1/2 before the incident. Send him to Club Gitmo!

Where does this notion that men run through the woods guzzling booze and shooting anything that moves come from? Especially on a quail hunt. Probably the same place that brought us gay shepherd err.. cowboy movies.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

J.A.P. - Forgot to mention, “welcome to America -glad you enjoyed your stay”. Now if you’d logged in as “Israeli and proud of it” I wouldn’t have expected you to be so up on our current events! Seriously - hope you come again to visit. I’d love to go to Israel some day.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

I feel sorry for any of you who have yet to read the new cartoon boy posting.

By buff

February 15, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

The arrogance of the Washington Press Corps is amazing

Do they think they are a branch of government

One of them came to my university back in the Spring and spoke about her experiences. First, she was a horrible speaker, convoluted, rambling, evasive. Second, she was incredibly arrogant when asked questions

Someone needs to -itch slap David Gregory

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Buff - I don’t know, but I wish they’d done it so we don’t have to listen to the ultimate conspiracy theory for the next decade!

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Cheney had a beer at lunch 5 and 1/2 before the incident

This really is a serious question…is that what Cheney reported or what the restaurant who served him reported? I have seen quite often those videos where a police officer pulls over a guy who gets out and is obviously drunk. The police officer invariably asks How much have you had to drink tonight? Without fail, the guy will respond…A couple of beers.

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

“The Interview” has now been presented. I read how Luckovich said that he would never”embarrass anyone for a cheap laugh”. Then later it was said that his cartoons were “topical and tasteful”.

I stopped there. There is a limit to how much adulation and blarny one can tolerate.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

The level of discourse that oddball gay finch would like to see: After all, you wouldn’t be here if your mama had insisted that your daddy use a condom made in the US of A. Instead, he used one made in Haiti.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty - What really gets me about the Luckovic interview is his contention that the Danish cartoons were wrong, tasteless, inciting violence, all of the above. He compares making a joke about Catholics (okay) but never using Jesus’ image. Well, the problem with that analysis is that you can’t even make a joke about Islam. Censoring those ridiculous cartoons is craven, not sensible.

We are now at a place in the world where we are being completely blackmailed by Islam and can’t print anything about them without fear of a personal fatwa.

Bill Kristol of the Weekly Standard published the cartoons in their entirety and told an anecdote about an english journalist friend who had published them on their website, but got a call from Scotland Yard telling him he had bettert remove them because they couldn’t guarantee “protection”. Now THAT is what I call “chilling”.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Jewish and Proud of It,

That is from Cheney’s mouth and already said earlier that none of you moonbats were going to believe anything he said anyway.

For someone that hides behind your “newbie” status both on blog and in country you are one miserable little p-rick.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

RW - I think you’re right. I tried to “reach out” and then the beer scenario got unleashed, so what’s the point? Of course, unlike you and me, JAP doesn’t actually know anybody who drinks beer, but only sees it on videos. Nope, don’t drink, don’t even know anyone who drinks. Leagues above Bush and Cheney that J.A.P. is.

By buff

February 15, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

BD

I agree. Europe has caved into radical Islam, and if they think that will make that rabble like or accept them, they are nuts

Culturally, they are subhuman, barbaric louts

It is similar to someone who knows that a rattlesnake is under the porch and just leaves it alone, yet, someday that person will have to deal with the snake, as Europe will radical Islam

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I tried to reach out to J.A.P once too, the next thing he’s picking fights with everybody on the blog. I’m sick of the little jerk.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

I don’t believe I’ve resorted to name-calling on the blog, I’d appreciate the same courtesy.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Please tell me in what way I’m picking a fight with anyone. For the love of G-d, I thought it was a good thing to ask questions, perhaps, I am mistaken?

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Jewish and Proud of It,

Go read your posts over the last few days and you might spot a pattern. I have nothing to discuss with you and I definitely don’t think you deserve any special courtesy.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Do you know the kind of heat Sharon, Pires, Netanyahu, or even Barak or Sharet would get back home if something like this were to happen to one of them, oh the questions that would be asked.

By kimberly

February 15, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Jewish, it’s not you. It’s them. Your logic is wasted here; they only want an excuse to screech “pinko lib traitor!” at anyone who refuses to bow down before their dubya idol. Any question you ask will be answered with (a) some DEMOCRAT did such and such in 19-something or other! or (b) why do you libs love Hillary the whore? Seriously. Beam off this planet. You don’t need the rash these poisonous vines will give you.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

RW - “I thought it was good to ask a question”

Apparently “sincerity” is not part of the equation. BTW,I don’t blame you for using the “jerk” word, I was tempted after all the lame jokes that didn’t make it on late night tv.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Alright RW, you win, Bush and Cheney are the Masters of the Universe, all hail Bush and Cheney. I humbly bow before the might, intelligence and strength of these great men. Happy?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Kimberly. Nice to know that asking someone to consider the source of the info on the alcohol that Cheney drank this weekend was, in fact, a logical question to ask. I suppose they’re worried about where the answer might lead.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Jewish and Proud of It,

Is that another of your sincere questions? I’ll make a deal with you. If you don’t answer that question and leave my words out of your putrid attempts at humor, I’ll agree not to talk to you.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

JAP - Okay, RW has dropped out, but I do have a few more things to say. Whether or not you like Bush or Cheney is irrelevant. It is the snarky way to you make your point that matters. None of us want to force anyone to like our President or VP. We would like some reasonable opinions peppered with facts to justify your positions. The DailyKOS and Moveon.org do not qualify as a fact-finding sources. We would like a sense that the Bush/Cheney critics actually care about the fate of our country and aren’t bent on destroying it. I could go on, but I’ve got to attend to my son who just got home from school.

By kimberly

February 15, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

None of us want to force anyone to like our President or VP. Translation: Our attempts to convince you of their merits fall woefully short of supportive content, hence the use of the Rove-patented, “slander-whomever-asks-the-question” tactics. We would like some reasonable opinions peppered with facts to justify your positions. HAHAHAHAHAHA! ROFL! Stop it! It hurts! OMG! Hahahaha!

By RE

February 15, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Anyone know if there are laws similar to drinking and driving laws for hunting?

By buff

February 15, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

RE

Nope, don’t think so

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

BD let me respond to your post… First of all, I don’t know what “snarky” means. Second, I absolutely care about the United States, why do you think I’m here? I may not be a fan of Bush or especially Cheney, but I love America. As a matter of fact, as an Israeli, I almost revere America. Last, I do not poke fun at the VP because of any real malice, it is much more a technique meerly to evoke some thought.

I don’t know the Vice President and I wasn’t there this weekend, I cannot say for certain what happened but I CAN say that neither can you…I can say that the sky is red but just because I say it doesn’t make it so…I hope I have been able to clear up any misconception that I hate this country and that poking fun of the VP was just that, poking fun. My sincerest (truly) apologies at having offended. Behatzlacha (All the Best to You)

By Dusty

February 15, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I really like this sentence of yours.We would like a sense that the Bush/Cheney critics actually care about the fate of our country and aren’t bent on destroying it.

Yes indeed. (I am leaving, also, as another one of my four sons will soon be arriving.)

By Andy

February 15, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

I just had to vent regarding an overheard conversation at my office. The liberals across the cubicle from me were discussing the man Dick Cheney accidentally shot, and were joking about the fact that he’s apparently had a mild heart attack as a result of a pellet that entered his heart area. Laughing about it, one of them said he wished the gentleman would die so it would harm Mr. Cheney politically, to which everyone else laughed.

Normally I roll my eyes and go on with my work when I hear most of their discussions, but this one made my jaw drop. What kind of human beings are these people, that they’d wish an elderly man would die so that it would somehow boost the Democrats politically (which is an extremely questionable presumption in the first place)?

I know, I know!!!

By kimberly

February 15, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

Andy, that’s horrible. Certainly not decent human beings. Of course, what kind of human beings would suggest that bombing a city filled with innocent men, women and children is okay, ‘cause they look sorta like some other people of a different nationality that flew some planes into America? I mean, “collateral damage” what IS that?

You’re right. Finally we agree! People who disregard the lives of others in the interest of politics are AWFUL!

By JimG

February 15, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Kimberly - You are about to get hit with the traitor rant for your: * bombing a city filled with innocent men, women and children is okay, ‘cause they look sorta like some other people of a different nationality that flew some planes into America? I mean, “collateral damage� what IS that*

Oh, and probaly a pinko thrown in there.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

JimG,

Why would Kimberly get bombarded for that? She’s got that one exactly right.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Of course, what kind of human beings would suggest that bombing a city filled with innocent men, women and children is okay That is intellectual perversion, kimberly, which is right on par with liberalism.

Any of you Iraqi “vets” out there want to weigh in, did you guys indiscriminately kill women and children during your tour of duty?

By JimG

February 15, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

I rest my case….I’m out.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Come on, Daniel, here’s your chance to tell us about all those women and children you indiscriminately killed. Throw some of your theatrics at that little accusation.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Kimberly,

How about expounding on that. I read it to mean someone that would say that is despicable, while Andy reads it as you accusing us of actually doing that.

Maybe it’s your quirky writing style. It seems it could easily be taken either way.

By kimberly

February 15, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Ooooo, now I’m a pervert, huh? Snappy comeback. With regard to the soldiers, I’m smart enough to know that they don’t MAKE the decision to invade a country or fire bombs into a community. Our soldiers dedicate themselves to protecting us by entering a chain of command, realizing they have little or no control over their personal destinies. THEY have my respect and gratitude. WE have a responsibility to hold our leaders accountable for their use or misuse, as the case may be.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

O.K. I’ll throw the discussion open to all of you, who else wants to tell us about all of the indiscriminate killing of women and children that our soldiers do?

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

Kimberly - Tell me who Rove slandered ok? We know about the McCain rumors. Who else? I really want to know so I can understand why you’re laughing so hard. And tell me what Pellicano was doing for Hill and Bill if not digging up dirt on the “opposition”. Remember “Monica Lewinsky,’that woman’”? If it wasn’t for that little blue dress she would have been destroyed by Bill and Hill. Completely destroyed.

JAP - Snarky. Figure it out. A cross between a snake and a shark perhaps?

Dusty - Cheers.

Andy - Of course they reacted that way. They are happy to hear it when the death toll in Iraq mounts too. They will be happy when Al Qaeda strikes America again. Any defeat for Bush is a victory for them, no matter what the consequences. They are so desperate that their utopias are crumbling beneath them and they will use any means necessary to get back in power.

So when they’re not entertaining themselves by throwing rocks through the windows of Starbucks, or sticking it to WalMart,or whatever “capitalist” bogeymen they have targeted, they carry on snickering at their own foul and often dangerous ideas of a joke. And then they play the ‘victim’ and act shocked when we challenge them and their base motives and the unsubstantiated claims they’ve extracted from the netherworld.

Time for a cocktail.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

So we just indiscriminately kill women and children, right kimberly? We are engaged in an illegal act of murder, correct?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, gotta jump in once more… Andy, whether a child was killed with discrimination or not, a dead child is still a dead child. Do you think a mother would be any less grieved to have someone come to her door and say your child is dead but we didn’t mean to.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Kimberly,

You’re quick!!! I bet you hadn’t even seen my question when you answered, sorry for trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Why do you think our brave soldiers get killed on the ground in Iraq? It’s because we DON”T do what you are accusing us of. That used to be the policy back in Bosnia and Kosova, we have a commander in chief now that cares about reducing “collateral damage” and tries to prevent them even at the cost of American lives.

By kimberly

February 15, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Andy, you expressed dismay at others’ disregard for the sanctity of [rich, white, GOP Texan] human life. I agreed. Do you want to say that NO innocent people have been killed in the war that our soldiers are now fighting? If so, please get soldiers to verify. If not, then you agree that innocent people die in war — that the “mother of all bombs” dropped on a city is going to kill more than just the dozen evil dudes for which it was intended. Yet many people today have no problem with the deaths of THESE individual human beings. Am I wrong? Please, I hope I am! (Gotta jam now.)

By RE

February 15, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Finally, after hearing over and over again about the rampant voter fraud and the need for reform, we have an example: “By Jose Lambiet

Palm Beach Post Columnist

Wednesday, February 15, 2006

She may be smart enough to earn millions from her acidic political barbs, but when it comes to something as simple as voting in her tiny hometown, hard-core conservative pundit Ann Coulter is a tad confused.

Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections records show Coulter voted last week in Palm Beach’s council election. Problem is: She cast her ballot in a precinct 4 miles north of the precinct where she owns a home — and that could be a big no-no.”

Felony, that means she cannot vote again if convicted. Unless the dems push through a voter restoration for felony criminals. That will be an interesting debate to hear from her on

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Kimberly -

Thanks for telling us - its a racist war! Gosh, and to think that we were actually trying to contain a dictator who was given every opportunity to surrender so that not one single woman or child had to die.

Did you read my earlier link to Clinton/Albright/Berger/Cohen? You must have been one of the people in Ohio at that town meeting in the 1990s! One, two, three, four, we don’t want your racist war! You must be brilliant too - you can actually count to four.

How about the Vietnam museum photos? Did you check those out? I find it so interesting that we have peace-loving people from all over the world defending communism, including, “Al-fatah”. Must be because we always pick fights with people “who don’t look like us”.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but I’m just quoting you, kimberly. You are saying that our soldiers are so morally degenerate that they would indiscriminately kill women and children if they were “ordered.” That our officers would give those “orders” just for their excitement, for their murderous thrills. That our purpose in Iraq is not to risk life and treasure for the freedom of others, it so bloodthirsty Americans can fly planes into, er, I mean, bomb women and children “indiscriminately.”

I like these pinkos. The are more adapt at taking themselves out of the equation then any harm that we could ever do to them. They can’t keep a lid on their raging hatred of this Great Nation, they are apologists for those who really do slaughter women and children. People aren’t blind to this, keep talking kimberly.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

JAP - That was an incredibly banal observation. Further, it isn’t in this country that mothers and fathers dress their kids in suicide vests and belts. Concern for children? Ha! They don’t even care about their OWN kids, they just want that big fat bonus Martyr check from Saddam Hussein, and Arafat when he was alive.

RW is exactly right about collateral damage. Look how many soldiers died during Fallujah and during that pig Al Sadr’s 15 minutes of fame? I actually get p.o’d that we don’t just destroy some of these people, and if it means that there is some collateral damage, so be it. Just remember, without The Taliban, and Bin Laden, and Hussein, and other maniacs, there would be NO collateral damage. So blame them, not Bush, not our country, and especially not our soldiers.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

RE,

Your story says Ann left New York to get away from stalkers, couldn’t Jose Lambiet have done his gossip section story without giving out her address?

Maybe Ann is still trying this.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Cheney fesses up! After days of denial and hiding Dick “Five Deferments” Cheney finally fessed up today to shooting his hunting buddy in the head. “Five deferments” hasn’t given a press conference in four years. In typical republican fashion Cheney first tried to blame his buddy Harry Whittington. Then he blamed the democrats, the media and finally the liberals.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Daniel says In typical republican fashion Cheney first tried to blame his buddy Harry Whittington. Then he blamed the democrats, the media and finally the liberals.

I guess he was watching a press conference from Mars, because that is exactly NOT what Cheney did. But this might work as Al Jazeera propaganda. Good job Daniel. One more kiss to the enemy.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Hey Daniel: If Cheney got a deferment that means he wasn’t gleefully killing babies like kimberly said you other soldiers were doing. See, there is an upside to every story.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

I wonder if we can find Jose Lambiets address. We can print some cartoons, put his name on them, and post his address on Arabic websites.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: Are you really THAT stupid?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 15, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

They don’t even care about their OWN kids, they just want that big fat bonus Martyr check from Saddam Hussein, and Arafat when he was alive

Wow, I don’t even know what to say to that, wait, yes I do, BD your an absolute bastard. You mentioned earlier that you were leaving the blog to attend to your son, now imagine instead of your son coming through the door, a police officer comes instead and tells you sorry, your son was killed in a bus accident, it wasn’t the bus driver’s fault but your son is dead anyway. How would you feel? Please tell me that you really don’t believe that ridiculous post. I would lose all faith in Americans as a people.

I suppose all the news footage of crying parents and grandparents was just a bunch of actors, huh. You absolutely despicable excuse for a human being.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

You are COLD!!! I like it!!!!

Daniel,

I bet you could read this watch the interview and come out sounding just as stupid as you do now.

By RE

February 15, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

It did give her street out, of course I am sure a 1.8mil home has security. Now we know who to watch out for with voter fraud. I am shocked, just shocked. I think if convicted she faces $5,000 and five years in jail. Come on all you law and order types, lets put Ann away

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

J&P: Do not take these people seriously. America is doing fine. These Fat Cowards sit in front of their computers all day long and pretend. Actually, it’s a miracle “Five Deferments” fessed up at all. We should be grateful the american people got anything. The only time the republicans seek transparent government is when the democrats are in power.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

JAP - for a Jew you sure have a lot of sympathy for Hamas, Hezbollah and others.

You can call me any name you want, I grew up during the “sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me” era that preceded political correctness and hate crimes.

As far as MY child goes, I am going to fight to the death if necessary to protect him and try to preserve this country, and if that means that some women or children who are in the families of the enemies who want to kill us, then so be it. Like I said, NOT A SINGLE CHILD HAD TO DIE FROM COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Blame Bin Laden and the rest of these hideous excuses for human beings, just put the blame where it lies, not on America.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

RE,

Maybe this Annie’s little olive branch to all you kooks that want anybody to vote anytime, anywhere, and as anybody.

She’s reaching out, trying to be a uniter and all.

Yes, goofball her house probably has security. The neighborhood probably does as well. Thanks to peaceful tolerant fools on your side of the aisle she probably has to travel with security.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

RE - You’re a freaking coward. Who cares how much money someone has? Oh, you do, and you hate people with money so they’re fair game I suppose. Literally.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

I wish one of you cowards had worn our country’s uniform. You sure are liberal with other people’s lives.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

I wish one of you cowards had worn our country’s uniform. You sure are liberal with other people’s lives.

I did, you little sissy.

By Crazy

February 15, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

LOL

Americans lecturing Israelis on the price of sacrafice in times of War. You guys are Effing Crazy!!

By RE

February 15, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

Somehow, BD thinks I am coward for wanting to stand by the law. I guess BD just hates these laws and hates our country. I am glad you have show yourself to be a supporter of criminals

By Andy's Mom

February 15, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

The military was a very difficult time for Andy. His xy chromosome imbalance that he got from his daddy who now lives with his same sex partner caused him many very hard moments when it was time to shower. I think maybe that is why he has a problem taking a bath to this day.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

They think democracy applies only to the democrats. They think “King George” and “Five Deferments” are America. They think the Republican Party “sitteth at the right hand” of god. They are mad at democracy. They blame every one else for their many mistakes and misjudgments and when all else fails: They lie.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Crazy,

Should we assume from your screen name that everybody describes themselves precisely on a blog?

If you noticed, or even if you didn’t, this one is awfully fond of suicide bombers.

CAIR has a little trick where they go on blog sites, especially newspaper ones, posing as Jews to get some nasty talk going about Islam and then using it to show how wrongfully treated the poor, poor, pitiful Muslims are by our vile hate speech.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

RE - No, I think you’re a coward because you don’t care that she is a target because of some “investigative journalist” has made her vulnerable to crazies who want to harm her. She has security system so that makes it all okay.

BTW, its a council election. I really can’t think of any reason why someone would vote in a council election that wasn’t for your own councilman/woman. Personally,I could not care less about any council elections that don’t affect my ward. So, maybe, just maybe she made a mistake?

By Andy

February 15, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

The level of discourse that oddball gay finch would like to see in here:

By Andy’s Mom

February 15, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

The military was a very difficult time for Andy. His xy chromosome imbalance that he got from his daddy who now lives with his same sex partner caused him many very hard moments when it was time to shower. I think maybe that is why he has a problem taking a bath to this day.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Finding out Jose’s address and phone number was a snap. I would have thought a gossip columnist would be more protective.

I think I will e-mail it to Annie and see if she has any interest in it.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

RW - funny you say that, because a similar thought occured to me about JAP. A shill for CAIR? It wouldn’t surprise me. There are an awful lot of people who pose as “republicans” who clearly aren’t (like WWJD from last week) and now we’ve had JAP to flip flop all over the map and go from being the ambassador of conciliation to calling me a bastard.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Ann does seem to be a little fired up this evening:

Perhaps we could put aside our national, ongoing, post-9/11 Muslim butt-kissing contest and get on with the business at hand: Bombing Syria back to the stone age and then permanently disarming Iran.

You won’t need me to tell you about the rest of it… I’m sure everybody else will.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Not to mention the comment that set him off. How dare you question the family values of people that strap bombs to their kids and send them out to blow up an Israeli bus?

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

RW - good work Mr. Holmes. I would imagine that Ann has already thought of this, smart cookie as she is, but I think I made my point about the recklessness of it all. Although, since you have his phone #, You may want to call him yourself, and speak with him man to man.

Of course the press don’t actually have to live by the same rules as we do. I’m sure Jose would be just outraged if anyone printed his address. Look at Mary Mapes! She’s just crushed that some people did a little investigative journalism about her forged story and her life wasn’t even in danger. Tant pis.

By DavidU

February 15, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Bombing Syria back to the stone age and then permanently disarming Iran.

So that would basically put us at war in 4 different countries at the same time. and by next year 5 if we throw in North Korea. Yeah, Great Idea.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

RW - My thoughts exactly! That is exactly what tipped me off. And the sudden, uncontrollable rage.

Attention CAIR: We’re on to you and you phony plants. We will be more cautious in the future. We won’t be cowed by you, but we will try to vett the people we blog with. We have our ways…

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

That’s a little harsh, but that’s her style. She does have a valid point about our obligations under NATO, though.

By Scooter

February 15, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Better get busy bad mouthing the military and keeping recruiters off college campuses. We may have to fight not flight/appease.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

Andy,

The mass violence by Muslims over some cartoons reminds us why we have to worry when countries like Iran start talking about having nukes. Iran is led by a lunatic who makes a big point of denying the Holocaust. Indeed, in response to the Muhammad cartoons, one Iranian newspaper is soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust. (So far the only submissions have come from Ted Rall, Garry Trudeau and The New York Times.)

I guess from the “interview” we know that ml likes to start work at deadline, do you think he’ll get his submission in on time?

By DavidU

February 15, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

RW - I’m would rather at least getting done with Afghanistan or Iraq before we “engage” with any other nations. Let Denmark if they are so p** about their embassy get in it with Syria before we go and get involved, we have quite a bit on our hands as it is.

By Andy

February 15, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

RW: The Jews might kick his little butt, he’d never do it.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

One more thing CAIR - if your plants start using the word, “snarky” while trying to pass for Americans, we’ll really be on to you.

I can just see it. JAP send out special alert to cells all over the world. Tells them about this new slang word that he learned, and urges them to use it in order to get access to gullible Westerners.

I’m going to start using really obscure words and see if they turn up on Arab websites like Supercalifragaliciousexpialidocious. Take that and run with it!

By buff

February 15, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

I am not a big Dick fan, har har har

But, he was very good tonight with Brit Hume

Believable, sincere, straightforward

I know the moonbats will hammer him, but Cheney does not care

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

Harry Whittington got shot and you’re crowing about how “very good” “Five Deferments” did on TV! How’s Harry doing? Pretend he was shot by a democrat.

By finch

February 15, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

Kudos to Dick Cheney for finally… finally admitting the obvious to FNC’s Britt Hume. He not only shot Harry Whittington, but he’s solely responsible for the accident.

And leave it to Britt to ask the really important question:

HUME: And you — and I take it, you missed the bird.

CHENEY: I have no idea.

Jon Stewart’s gonna have a field day with that.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

finch,

And what do you suppose the reaction would be if Cheney said that he did or did not hit the bird? The safest possible answer is the one he gave.

BTW-My nekkid poster is talking to you about your neighbor over at my place.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this

It took five days to tell the truth. I’m glad America got anuthing out of that guy. We can also hope and pray that Whittington pulls through.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 07:37 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

Should we disband NATO?

ps-I don’t think we are really going to start bombing Syria, at least not until after Iran!

Oh and when do we get out of Kosovo? Never mind it’s as soon as we follow your plan and abandon NATO.

By RW-(the original)

February 15, 2006 07:46 PM | Link to this

New toon…a four parter. ml must be getting overtime pay.

By Daniel

February 15, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Kosovo. A search of Bush/Kosovo will provide a real education, to those interested in learning. Among other things Bush lambasted Clinton for the lack of an “Exit Strategy”, an endless war and no “Plan”. The Iraq War cost is now at 500 Billion and climbing. Pretend Bush is a democrat.

By DavidU

February 15, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

RW - “NATO’s essential purpose is to safeguard the freedom and security of all its members by political and military means in accordance with the North Atlantic Treaty and the principles of the United Nations Charter. “

Yeah, we are not to keen on following the UN charter…that is, only when it benefits us (Iraq). In Kosovo we are there in a peacekeeping role. While in Afghanistan and Iraq we are at war, just a little different, and pertaining to my 5 nation war debate.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

Daniel - Just curious. If Cheney had informed the holy press corps immediately, would it have affected the outcome for the wounded hunter?

No? Gosh, and I thought the press were God.

By finch

February 15, 2006 08:34 PM | Link to this

RW,

My chuckle over Britt’s question had nothing to do with Cheney’s answer, which was the best answer he could give. And I included it because I didn’t want to slander Cheney by omission.

It’s just that Britt’s question was just so damn DUMB!

Danish,

If Cheney had informed the public (via the media) immediately, he would have nipped this bru-ha-ha in the bud. Stomped it flat. Cut it off at the pass. Pick your cliche.

Wittington would still be shot, but the public wouldn’t care.

By letting it fester he INVITED controversy. He made Bush, McClellan, the White House and the GOP look like fumblebutts.

The way Cheney and the administration dealt with what was originally a footnote story will be detailed in college textbooks for decades to come as a prime example of how NOT to handle an unexpected but relatively minor accident involving a high-ranking elected official.

By buff

February 15, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

finch

I like Brit Hume, but it was a dumb question

By DavidU

February 15, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

RW - Besides NATO would have to invoke NATO article 5, in order for us to be involved. For article 5 to be invoked (even NATO has limitations) Article 6 of the North Atlantic Treaty has to be fulfilled. Article 6: “For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack: 1. on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France (2), on the territory of or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer. 2. on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”

That’s why NATO did not get involved during the Falkland’s war (in behalf of Britain) or during the US embassy bombing in Kenya (in behalf of the US). So the Cartoon war Ms. Coulter wants to start on behalf of Denmark under the premise of standing behind our NATO allies is just a pipe dream.

By Buy Danish

February 15, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

If Cheney had informed the public (via the media) immediately, he would have nipped this bru-ha-ha in the bud. Stomped it flat. Cut it off at the pass. Pick your cliche

finch, I seriously doubt that. If the press can hound Trent Lott over absolutely nothing, just imagine how long they would and will hound Dick Cheney, especially when their eyes get all starry over the idea of impeachment and bringing down “Darth Vadar”.

In hindsight it could have been handled differently, but he would have been hounded regardless. He is a nice guy, a gentleman, a great VP, and a fine public servant, and all the swill in the world will not change that. We shall see what the history books say. I suppose it depends on who writes them, doesn’t it?

By Dave

February 19, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Please create a cartoon that shows the Pequod sailing ship with Capt Ahab on the deck and a white whale swiming in the distance. Can you fill in the rest ? The whale is Iraq.