Mike Luckovich

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this

ml, This is the best you could do for your Sunday offering? Maybe they should be on the phone with OBL if they want instant attention.

By Midori

February 10, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this

Goody!!

I’m the first.

Let me congratulate you Mike on a wonderfully funny, insightful toon.

Well done!!

By Midori

February 10, 2006 11:10 PM | Link to this

Well, RW

They hate us for our t-shirts.

Whatcha gonna do, ya know.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2006 11:12 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Who hates us for our shirts and what were you first at? Inquiring minds and all…..

By Jay not jay

February 10, 2006 11:21 PM | Link to this

Who needs t-shirts?

By finch

February 10, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this

Oh jeez!

Mike comes up with a toon that (judging by various polls) half of Americans will love, half will hate, and half won’t get.

These findings are derived from a master survey of US citizens showing that they all fall into THREE (3) distinct groups:

Those who can count. And those who can’t.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2006 11:32 PM | Link to this

finch,

Don’t forget the fourth half that will remain confidently undecided.

By finch

February 10, 2006 11:39 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yes. Them too.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2006 11:46 PM | Link to this

Well the Torino torch may be the only one in Olympic history uglier than the Atlanta “french fry box”, but the way they lit it was impressive indeed.

By finch

February 10, 2006 11:55 PM | Link to this

The opening ceremony was okay, I guess. The choreography was a little hyper, though.

We’re taking the two TV approach here. She gets to watch the figure skating and ice dancing. I can obsess over the skiing and all the stuff that slides down, around, and out of the toboggan run.

But not until we screen for phone bugs.

Wait!! Found one!

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 12:07 AM | Link to this

finch,

Sometimes the skaters are worth paying some attention to.

By finch

February 11, 2006 12:10 AM | Link to this

RW,

Okay, I might watch that. But I’ll only be looking for athletic skill and artistic merit.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 12:14 AM | Link to this

finch,

The problem is she’s retired so you might have to sit through a lot of duds to find a new Pasha. Fortunately my wife alerts me to these things so I’ll keep you posted.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 12:16 AM | Link to this

Oh, but only for artistic skills and athletic merit or whatever the hell your excuse was!

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 12:21 AM | Link to this

athletic skill and artistic merit… finch, did you shoot under an 80 today?

By Flibberdigibbit

February 11, 2006 04:59 AM | Link to this

On leave from the front-lines in Baghdad, we picked-up our nephew from Hartsfield this morning.

The first thing he tells me is how under-manned are the US forces to get the job done.

The first thought in my head was “Damn Duh-bya!”, but I dare not insult HIS Commander-in-Chief by actually saying so.

By Andy

February 11, 2006 06:40 AM | Link to this

Hey, Bush’s bubble is wired for sound! I told you he was in touch.

Look at the frustration on the face of our President. Can you blame him? I mean, how many times do you have to explain to these freeloading, degenerate, morally depraved, pervert pinkos that the plan is to free the Iraqi people from tyranny and defeat the terrorists?

National Strategy for Victory in Iraq- White House, 2/26/03’

And even when you tell these illiterates,

Rumsfeld predicts ‘long, hard slog’ in Iraq- 10/22/03’

they still have the stupid blank ignorant look on their uneducated pinko faces. Pitiful. They couldn’t pay me to be the President. Well, it’d have to be alot.

By BigDaddy

February 11, 2006 06:48 AM | Link to this

BigDaddy wants to know how Peppermint Patty got into the White House…

By Andy

February 11, 2006 07:14 AM | Link to this

We got the whine:

$725,800,000,000- Goaded by oil prices, trade deficit for 2005 again hits a record, raising the anxiety of lawmakers, economists

But still no cheese:

Some Shaky Figures on ANWR Drilling

I guess the pinkos want to intentionally harm the economy so they can have something else to beat Bush up with it. They wouldn’t do something as low as that, would they?

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

Looks like Cindy Sheenanigans & Ray NO’Naggin’ to me. Their view won’t be improved with those spectacles though.

By SS57

February 11, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

How is the economy the democrats fault?

By irontiger

February 11, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Hey cAndy A##, how come you aren’t over there fighting for your Fuehrer? All hat no cowboy? Do you have to wax the back of your hands once a week to get the hair off of the fingers or do you have to do it every morning like Anne C?

Talk about being lonely. No,not you, I’m referring to the single gray cell you have bouncing around in your skull.

By DawgBite

February 11, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Because Andy is a chickenhawk irontiger. Besides, he spends all his time under the bed quaking in fear that the terrorist are right outside his door ready to pounce on him if he comes out. It’s all his poor mother can do to get him to come out long enough to make up his bed and change his stinkin diaper.

By Andy

February 11, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

SS57: Less oil from overseas means smaller trade deficits. Smaller trade deficits mean bigger economic output. Oil drilling in ANWR creates jobs and capital investment, increase oil supply and lowering energy costs for everyone. It’s just an all around good thing for all of us.

Which is why the democrats have taken sides with the caribou and against the American people. Are you new to the pinko nation or were you just being facetious?

By getitright

February 11, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

The DNC must be proud of Mikey. He takes a day off to make a rather mild swat at the real evil (Muslim Terrorists) in this world and then he gets right back into bashing Bush. Way to stay on top of what’s going on in this world. I guess you’re scared that the bogeyman might come after you. Maybe you should hold a protest against the Danish press, seeing as you’re not part of the real journalistic world. Coward.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

Looks like the citizens of Alaska don’t follow the NIMBY philosophy.

So, the State of Alaska’s right to free-enterprise may be violated in the interest of caribou and enviromentalists.

By Andy

February 11, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

DawgBite/ irontiger: Look, you little pinkos can gaybait me all you want, I’m not going to play with you. I’m normal. There ain’t no plan with no man. I suggest Decatur or maybe Midtown, I have no idea, but maybe you little queers could start looking somewhere else?

These pinkos are like a deformed dog trying to attach itself to your leg, you have to make sure nobody is looking before you kick it in the a-ss with all your might, but the son of a b-itch comes right back the next day. It’s dam-n dementia or something.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Some want see the stone just simply sink, rather than the lovely ripple effect it can cause.

By DawgBite

February 11, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

Your obsession with pink is the first tip off Andy. If the shoe fits, wear it. In your case Andy it would not be a good idea to kick anything. Even a kitten would be more than a match.

By DawgBite

February 11, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

And by the way Andy. My lovely Mexican wife keeps me REAL happy. So don’t worry stinky diaper. Only the terrorists want to pop you in your 4th point of contact.

By getalife

February 11, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

I am listening.

By Eric

February 11, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

If that Andy is “normal”, then there’s no choice for rest of the world. We have to be abnormal. And we’re all better off for it. Thank you, God!

By Andy

February 11, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

DawgBite/ blogger: If your Mexican man or “wife” keeps your motor running, what are you doing following me every step of the way? You’re a weird little mofo, you probably ain’t seen p*** since it had you. You might want to “get off” of the anal action and try something more normal. It’s got you al f’d up.

By Semper Fi

February 11, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

Andy, between irontiger and DawgBite, which one you think pitches and catches. I think irontiger is the pitcher and DawgBite is probably the catcher.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

RW - Thanks for correcting Finch’s math. Just imagine how great our economy would be if Finch was in charge.

DawgBite - Are you a flea? That would explain the dearth of wit and incisive commentary from your feeble posts.

RE the cartoon - Angh. Just so so. Might have been funnier if it showed Hollywood Dick Pellicano conducting wiretaps at Hilary’s behest. Or maybe Bill, Hill and Peanut in a group wiretap, saying, “Do as we say, not as we do”.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Andy - I share some of your sentiments, but you may want to stay above the fray and not stoop to bathroom humor.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Getalife:

And I’m a lookin’

By getalife

February 11, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

OO,

Thank you for pimping my blog.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

I’m lousy at math, but not that bad. I saw it as the “halfs”, the “half-nots” and the “halfs to work for a living.” Maybe the fourth half are the politicians???

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Getalife - Really like your website - some terrific blashemy, I mean satire, there, but the King/traitor cartoon isn’t very funny. Probably because the controversy is not about “domestic spying” as much as the media would like to frame it that way. For humor to work there has to be more than a morsel of truth.

By candide

February 11, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Trying to talk to Bush is like trying to talk to a Taliban Mullah. Forget it. Just vote the GOP out in 06 and 08. Make the GOP the out of power party for good!

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Getalife:

I’m learning.

By candide

February 11, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

I just bought some Danish butter.

By BigDaddy

February 11, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Cracked gives us more poignant toons than The Scribbler

By BigDaddy

February 11, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

BigDaddy is also expanding his wardrobe

By Andy

February 11, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Semper Fi: I’d be willing to bet that they switch hit.

Danish: Liberals don’t understand reasoning. They are profane, bizarre, immoral little creatures, that is why they are such big environmentalists, it’s where they are most at home, running with the other animals. You have to communicate to them on their level, civil discourse will only get you mocked around here. Hence I will occasionally use some “potty humor” as you so choose to label it. It helps cut the confusion.

It worked, didn’t it?

By BigDaddy

February 11, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Andy, are you implying that those two are Sims fans?

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

OO - The fourth halfs must be the squeaky wheels that accout for a very small percentage of the population but get half of the attention and taxpayer largesse.

Candide - Why don’t you ask Cindy Sheehan what it is like talking to Bush? She did talk to him, but had some kind of weirdly distorted memory of what actually happened. She must have been sent to re-education camp and had her memory erased. Its funny how the Left have all these p.c. rules about appropriate and even legal speech (“hate crimes”), but accuse the rest of us of being Talibanesque. Since you pretend to be such an international sophisticate, have you heard of Orianna Fallaci and her trial for “blasphemy”? Non? Pourquoi? That is an example of the Left in action chere Candide. Sorry to disabuse you of your hallucinatory ravings, but you may actually want to compare reality to fantasy before you make a complete fool of yourself.

Apropos to all of this, your P.C.Taliban is once again doing their good work in our brave new schools - a first grader was suspended for sexual harrassment because he put his PB&J’d sticky fingers on an oppressed little girl’s waistband.

Merci beaucoup Candide et vos amis- your feminist crusades have brought reason and civil liberties to the entire world: Being an innocent and playful kid is now a crime. I don’t even think they went that far during the Reign of Terror.

By BigDaddy

February 11, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

This is for Midori - time to join the winning team, sweetheart! (It gets to be a little tedious, but I’m sure you’ll enjoy playing anyway…)

Buy Danish - bienvenue! Ca va bien, j’espere!

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Big Daddy:

Where ya been? We’ve been calling you out to play, but I figured you had found new playmates who have also changed their wardrobe. I am trying to be better behaved.

By BigDaddy

February 11, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

OO, don’t you ever behave. BigDaddy has been moving - packing, unpacking, trying to sell the old digs, etc…

BigDaddy has missed the board, though. And yes, BigDaddy’s ears have been burning…

By BigDaddy

February 11, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

OO, have you seen the new head of the NSA? - his background is in nuclear reactor safety, but he’s has a certain appropriate creepiness about him - must be the eyes…

By finch

February 11, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish - I’m glad you appreciate humorous math. I’m hoping that soon, 5/4ths of all Americans will, too! And candide, you are an inspiration. Danish butter is the best.

I see the fairy tale that ANWR will save America from dependence on cruel arab oil sheiks continues. What a crock.

“ANWR is forecast to satisfy just 4 percent of domestic demand — and even (Interior Secretary Gale) Norton’s hosts at (the conservative think tank) Heritage have acknowledged that ANWR “will not dramatically bring down the global price of oil.”

The whole ANWR mess has become a petty turf battle between loony tree-huggers and obsessed GOP ideologues.

Wanna promote real energy independence? Back exploration and drilling in the lower 48 states, including in the Gulf of Mexico off Jeb Bush’s precious Florida coast. Scrap stupid laws that all but pay automakers to sell SUV fuelhogs. Encourage conservation, which contrary to what D-ickhead Cheney says, is much more than a “sign of personal virtue”.

And slap on a nice, hefty gasoline surtax. This will do much more than merely encourage conservation.

As Thomas Friedman eloquently points out, Americans are now both funding the war on terror, and funding the terrorists themselves, via the petrodollars shipped to arab oil producers.

We are feeding the hands that bite us. ANWR won’t mean squat. If ANWR backers win this battle, the US could lose the war.

By AntiRadical

February 11, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

These pinkos are like a deformed dog trying to attach itself to your leg, you have to make sure nobody is looking before you kick it in the a-ss with all your might, but the son of a b-itch comes right back the next day. It’s dam-n dementia or something.

Andy hates liberals, Dems, and now disabled canines. What’s next, stealing candy from kids, pulling the legs off insects? We should all be very thankful to Andy for those occasions when he drops his mask and shows us the true nature of the “higher moral road” offered by the “Anti”-Republicans!

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Big Daddy:

Homer is suffering from over-exposure to radiation of the “masses”. Oh wait, over-exposure is what you enjoy! I’m slipping on the “peel” known as Big Daddy.

By Brian Curtis

February 11, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

You can always tell a truly brain-damaged right winger from the fact that, when they’re really ticked off, they can come up with no worse insult than “you’re gay.”

In their sick little cowardly minds, that’s the most filty, twisted thing possible. Such sad little losers they are.

Great cartoon, Luckovich. Even as the Abramoff investigation inevitably exposes and brings down dozens of Republican legislators, let’s not lose sight of the Criminal In Chief, who has brazenly admitted committing a crime.

Impeachment may be too good for Traitor Bush, but sadly it’s all the law will allow. And liberals (unlike the neocons and their tools) actually respect the law.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Big Daddy:

If you’re not too busy, take the time to expose your other side sometimes. Not the side that I love, but the side that I admire. I’ll be checking back, gotta go do some shopping, Aaaayyyyaaarrrr!

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

finch - If we’re going to scrap stupid laws, let’s start with having uniform national fuel standards, instead of each state having wacko special needs. And remember that the SUV includes the family van, so I’m sure Americans will thank you for having to squeeze their family of four or more into a Volkswagon Beetle. Achtung! And you can pretty much kiss carpooling goodbye.

Further, increasing the tax on gas, while providing more money for government daycare centers, is not a very equitable tax. The so-called rich can live close-in to Atlanta, or L.A. and buy homes in Buckhead and Beverly Hills, while the less fortunate must live in suburbs and exurbs and commute longer distances.

ANWAR is only 10,000 measly acres. Give it up folks! How many millions of acres go up in flames in wildfires every year? Here’s some more math: 4% is more than 0%. The dirty little secret about the enviros is that they use the environment as a tool to implement their Marxist policies and halt capitalism. They care about the spotted owl about as much as the typical peace-marcher cares about our soldiers in Iraq.

And if conservation is a personal virtue, then Hollywood should set an example and give up their gas guzzling jets and gas guzzling mansions and gas guzzling Mazeratis and Jaguars. Funny how Liberal elites never do what they tell everybody else to do. The rules don’t exist for them, but for the extra chromosone lower classes.

By Andy

February 11, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Oh, so now we are going to split hairs on domestic oil production, wonderful, at least we have these sissies triangulating the issue now. If we get 1 million barrels a day from ANWR, at $50 a barrel, that’s, let’s see here, 50 million dollars a day less than what we are sending the terrorists now and that much less of a trade deficit. Are you against China owning us or not, pinko? Is it o.k. as long as the caribou sleep well at night?

Brian Curtis: If you are going to be the blogosphere judge and referee, why did this escape your attention?: It’s all his poor mother can do to get him to come out long enough to make up his bed and change his stinkin diaper. Maybe because one of your queer buddies posted it? That gaybaiting bull—— excites you liberals? You like cheering on your fellow f*?

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis - You say, “And liberals (unlike the neocons and their tools) actually respect the law.”. That’s curious. Why did B.C. lose his law license again? And isn’t it liberals who want to give drivers licenses and college tuition to ILLEGAL aliens? Isn’t it liberals who want to let felons vote, but won’t let Georgians use photo ids for voting? And isn’t it liberals who create laws like “hate crime legislation” that is really thought control? And didn’t they invent “sexual harrassment laws”, but exempt themselves? Isn’t it liberals who illegally use the judiciary to write laws? It seems to me that the whole essence of a liberal is to create rules and laws that don’t apply to them.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

In that I am an admitted math lackey, I’ll abstain from the first two, and acknowledge that anyone who can see through the enviros and leftist hollywood elite has the ability to see the bigger picture.

I did not know I was less fortunate in the suburbs though. You know what the studies show about us suburbanites, but I’m working hard not to misbehave so I will abstain there too.

By candide

February 11, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

By Buy Danish: Evidemment vous n’avez jamais lu Candide, le livre de Voltaire. Dites-moi, Candide est une femme?

By gadem

February 11, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Three more Republicrats with ties to Abramoff

By gadem

February 11, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

The Token, what do you have against people trying to better themselves. You b-i-t-c-h and moan about people not being productive in society. When there is an avenue for them to help themselves you complain. Look in the mirror, do some research on your past, and get a clue.

By Brian Curtis

February 11, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Danish: I was talking about liberals. What does that have to do with Clinton—other than the fact that the far-right crowd are so obsessed with him that they can’t complete a sentence without mentioning his name?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

gadem,

That’s a real hard hitting article you found there. I especially like the part about court filings show no wrong doing on the part of the legislators.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

What’s this all about?

Impeachment may be too good for Traitor Bush, but sadly it’s all the law will allow. And liberals (unlike the neocons and their tools) actually respect the law.

When you enter an open blog you have to your facts a little straighter than that. We’ll let you have your little fantasy that Bush is a criminal for awhile and if you ever get around to proving it you can have impeachment and a criminal proceeding. Study up on the last President, you will see both an impeachment and a criminal conviction for the same offense.

By Jesus

February 11, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Andy

February 11, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

Straight from getalife’s link, why even bother posting it?:

Court filings do not allege wrongdoing, but outline dealings with lobbyist

Because it distracts attention away from Harry Reid, Super Chief Donation Taker, heap big money grubber, that’s why. Kind of funny that the pinko media will splash headlines of Republicans that have no “alleged wrongdoings” but they’re a bunch of Church mice when it comes to a democrat crook.

Let’s clean up the Republican’s mess, right, we’ll all feel better then.

Bias maybe?

By Semper Fi

February 11, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

After reading the article gadem linked to, I guess any Republican or staff member that tries to help any Indian tribe is a criminal. Even if they’re just trying to get them added to a perferred list for an old PO building. Throw in a Jewish religious school in the mix and all liberals go crazy.

By gadem

February 11, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

That is the only thing that you guys can hold on to is Harry Reid…his sins pale in comparisons to the Republican lawmakers…i knew that the article pointed out no wrongdoings but regardless you guys still say Harry Reid did it too…sounds like what you guys were saying. But Bill Clinton did it too.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

gadem,

We can also hang on to the fact that we have control of the House, we would have control of the Senate if Bill Frist had any balls, we have the Presidency, and the courts are looking up.

You, on the other hand, have whatever phony scandal moveon.org generates to get all giddy about. So far Harry Reid is far closer to the textbook definition of quid pro quo, so I wouldn’t be quite so smug if I were you.

BTW, when are you guys going to demand that Reid steps down from his leadership position?

By Andy

February 11, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Yeah, when is the Harry Reid step aside ceremony gonna happen? That’s a real nice way to set the “standard” for ethics reform, ignoring your own problems. You pinkos know right where the entrance ramp to the low road is, that’s for dam’n sure.

By Semper Fi

February 11, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

RW, I got my wife one of those oil heaters. I got a 7 fin Honeywell. Sitting next to her right now. It keeps the room it is in several degrees higher than the rest of the house. I think I am going to like it. Thanks for the info.

By Joe Roman

February 11, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Can you imagine the ethical quandry facing Muslums at breakfast time? First, no sausage or bacon. Now, no Danish. The horror…………the horror.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

I’ve used the Delonghis the last two winters, in the two rooms we use most often, and they made a big difference in my overall heating bill. Does the Honeywell have a thermostat? The Delonghi has one, but it doesn’t let you pick a temperature, you just set it when you decide you are comfortable.

By DawgBite

February 11, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

I will say again that I am perfectly happy with my lovely Mexican wife Andy. You however, have definate gender issues.

Sempleton Fi you are just another reject crawling from the bottom of a whiskey bottle that makes real Marines look bad. Besides that you a probably a pus%$ as well.

By Semper Fi

February 11, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

RW, it does have a thermostat. We have just been keeping it on high and letting the extra heat bleed over into the next room.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

gadem - We have our Harry Reid, you have your Karl Rove (and Tom DeLay and Newt Gingrich).

Brian Curtis - I Guess “Brian” is not an acronym for “Brain”. Let’s try this one more time: You claim that liberals respect the law. I find that a blatantly false, albeit humorous, assertion and pointed out factual examples that disprove your claims. I ask you once again, Why did Bill Clinton lose his law license? The correct answer is not: “He was persecuted by right-wing Clinton haters”. There is a correct answer, can you find it? A little puzzle to busy you on a rainy day.

Cher Candide - It does not surprise me that you chose someone who is a pessimist, and hates money, religion and philosphy for your alter ego. Just another miserable sod cultivating your garden of discontent.

By How Exciting!

February 11, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

It does have a thermostat!!

By finch

February 11, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

On the contrary, I think a gasoline tax can be very equitable. You can limit use of the revenue to things like highways, mass transit, or federal debt reduction. It doesn’t have to go for daycare or buggy-whip museums or any other “frivolous” endeavor.

VW Beetle carpooling in lieu of SUVs?? Give me a break. If I had a dollar for every SUV I see carrying one or two people, I’d be king.

And you dont need a $75K 10MPH Hummer to carry a family. This vehicle will do nicely at 1/3 the price.

I have no sympathy for folks who live 50 miles from their jobs, commuting in their single occupancy SUVs, and living in a 10000 sq. foot house on a 10 acre lot, who whine about the cost of their chosen lifestyle. None. Zero. If you can’t afford it because of a $1/gallon fuel tax hike, you can’t afford it period.

I agree that the mishmash of mileage and emission rules covering vehicles is a joke. Trash ‘em all, starting with California’s.

Of course, if you WANT to ultimately go broke funding the war on terror, AND the terrorists, AND a really self-indulgent lifestyle, all with money borrowed from China, keep whining everytime anyone even thinks about hiking the gas tax to both curb consumption and raise revenue.

By finch

February 11, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

That’s a 10 MPG Hummber, of course. Miles per gallon. A 10 MPH Hummer would be a hoot to see, but I don’t think anyone would buy it.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

finch,

Not to butt in here, but most Hummers go much faster than 10MPH. (Initials really aren’t your strong suit, are they?)

Buy Danish,

I think we should encourage this idea of finch’s for the Democrats to run on. We certainly wouldn’t have to worry about filibusters ever again.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Drat…you got there first. I knew I should have waited to type to “Buy Danish”

By Semper Fi

February 11, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

finch, you are a true democrat. If it’s broke, it can be fixed by taxing it. Yea, we really need to pay more taxes to the government.

By WashingtonState

February 11, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Here’s an interesting question. The polls show that Bush has gained a lot of ground on the issue of warantless wiretapping with the public, especially men. Why is congress turning up the heat now? (Not just Democrats either.)

By Le

February 11, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

I thought you might want to know RW that MPG doesn’t stand for speed, as your post suggested, but for miles per gallon. I think you owe somebody an apology, or at least a post of your resume.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

finch - You have something against 10 acre lots? I’m confused - I thought the enemy of mankind was suburban sprawl and high density building. Further, your presumptions are well, shall we say, highly presumptious? Hummer? No. 10 acre lot? No indeedy. 10,000 sq ft house? That would be Buckhead and Beverly Hills. Long commute: Yup - that we’ve got. I drive a minivan - I guess that makes me really self-indulgent. You know if I could afford a Hollywood mansion with a 10 car garage I’d have a little Mini Cooper to commute in, but since that doesn’t fit the whole family, I’m stuck with the gas guzzler. So sue me. Meanwhile, perhaps you could make up a list of liberally acceptable automobiles. I know Hummers are out. What’s in?

I also want permission to hire a government agent to check your thermostat and make sure that you are not using your unfair share of energy to warm your butt. Do you use hot water to do your laundry? How much time to you spend in the shower? Just think of all the ways that we could regulate behavior. Put a little government mandated timer on the shower. Regulate ceiling heights in houses. Ration hot water, and heat, cooking fuel, and toilet paper. Don’t surf the web too much because you waste electricity. The possibilities of government intervention are endless.

I AM glad you agree about the deregulation. Can we build some new refineries too? How about going nuclear?

We have not choice BUT to fight the war on terror. Taxing Americans into submission is not going to do diddleysquat to cut the deficit.

By WashingtonState

February 11, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Le,

Actually, it is easier to express the gas usage of a Hummer in units of time. For examples gallons per minute.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

We’ll be the judge of whether that question is interesting, I say!

Part of it is just the never ending search for control between branches of government.

It’s also a pretty safe bet that Republicans know this is a good issue for them and they aren’t very likely to be challenged by a Democrat from the “political right” side of the issue, so they can keep their own base and pander to the civil libertarians a little bit.

I can think of about six more reasons, so I guess it was, in fact, an interesting question.

By WashingtonState

February 11, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

RW,

If the polls show that 50% of men support Bush, I would think that would exclude the issue of pandering to their base. I think they lost the liberatarians a long time ago over Schiavo and assisted suicide in Oregon, to name just 2 issues. That leaves the issue of the the never ending search for control between branches of the government. So far, congress has been little more than a rubber stamp for the administration. Why the change?

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Washington State - There are some in Congress who follow their principles and don’t cave to polling data. There are other “moderates” who tend to blow with the wind. It will be amusing to see how they weasel out of their stated positions as the polls change. There’s an art to being for it before they’re against it - just follow old swift boat’s example.

RW - Please feel free to jump in anytime!

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Le,

Not that you deserve an explanation, but I’m feeling generous today. My snarky little comment was a reference to this:

And you dont need a $75K 10MPH Hummer to carry a family. This vehicle will do nicely at 1/3 the price.

And I can assure you the party that left that comment wasn’t offended. I’ve said much worse to finch. Hell I didn’t even point out there is no such word as dont.

By WashingtonState

February 11, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Do you honestly think that all these congressmen, senators, and prominent Republican figures like Norquist are just blowing in the winds of popular opinion?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

But Danish,

OK!

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

RW - You might as well apologize to “Le”. Hurt feelings are hurt feelings. It doesn’t really matter that you did nothing wrong. After all if B.C. can apologize for slavery, surely you can apologize for Finch’s error. Its a fine opportunity to be bipartisan and reach across the aisle.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

And I thought you liked Danish R.W.. Stop the name calling “But Danish”.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

or BUY Danish,

Sorry!

I am being forced against my will to venture out into the cold just because our politicians have decided that 7 days supply of beer must be purchased in 6. A little Carlsberg is in order. I’ll catch up in a few.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Washington State - Yep. Norquist is a bit of a conundrum - I seem to recall that he has some odd allegiances to the sword carriers. Need to do some googling to refresh my memory.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Le,

I am terribly sorry!

My limited knowledge of French tells me something should follow “Le” like “Le pinson” or something. Apologies to BigDaddy and the lesser known one that uses this, RW out!

By WashingtonState

February 11, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer, I appreciated your post on using the private sector for funding for health care for children and the disabled. In fact, we do have a program that is mainly dependent on private sector funding to provide evaluations, referrals, and support for families of disabled children. The problem is that we are talking such huge numbers. Over half the kids born in this country are inadequately insured or not insured at all when it comes to health care. Someone mentioned Peachcare in Georgia as an example of a good program. That program is funded mostly through federal funds for families living at poverty level with matching funds provided by the fed for coverage of families living over the federal poverty level that the state is covering. Pulling 13 billion out of these programs will leave a huge hole. There has to be a better way to go about this.

By buff

February 11, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Taxes are a necessary evil, but we cannot/ should not ever try to tax ourselves out of debt; that does not work

What I do not understand about leftists is that they want more money for social programs, yet resist tax breaks, which brings more money into government coffers

The wealth/asset jealousy is part of the problem

As I have posted here before, three important economic points:

If you want less of something, tax it, i.e. wealth

By buff

February 11, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

WS

What bothers me is people having children when not financially or emotionally equipped for the responsibility, and kids are a huge responsibility

These people have kids, who wind up being “victims” of their circumstances

Peachcare is apretty good program

By finch

February 11, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - I only have something about 10 acre lots, 10,000 sf homes, and 10mpg Hummers when they’re owned by whiners who howl that they’re cash strapped.

Hint: They are. Too farking bad.

A gas/transportaton tax is not the same as an income tax or a sales tax. It’s a selective tax that encourages conservation, cuts the flow of cash to nations bankrolling terror, and eases chronic borrowing from China.

It’s downright patriotic.

By finch

February 11, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

I see buff is a charter student at the finch school for the mathematically impared.

Welcome to the club!

By WashingtonState

February 11, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

buff,

I agree. But a lot of those kids have parents working several jobs at companies that don’t provide healthcare coverage to large number of their employees. My experience is that many of these families would be happy to purchase health care insurance if they could get it for less than what it currently costs, around $500 per month for a family in our state. The disabled are another story altogether. There is no way many of them will ever have the financial means to purchase insurance or health care. So my question is: with all the pork attached to congressional bills at the last minute, why have we chosen healthcare for children and the disabled as the token cut to make it seem as if we are really doing something about balancing the budget?

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

RW - Checked out the figure skater photo link from earlier. I wonder if The Olympics are being broadcast in Iran, Syria, “Palestine”, and certain caves in Afghanistan and Pakistan. These scantily clad babes on ice are more dangerous encitement for rioting fools. They better get their flag orders in quickly if they want to have some proper riots with the requisite flag burning.

One thing’s for certain - as long as there are mandatory burkas, there will be no champions on ice coming from Islamic states - it is far too dangerous to skate and wear a burka at the same time.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

woops, that’s “incitement”. Sorry le.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Washington State:

Your desperation for these disabled children and adults was heartfelt. Right now all you can do is work with what you have and strive for what you want.

Dip into that old “yankee ingenuity” or pacific northwestern explorer mentality in your case. Organize the parents, go to the state level, they are enjoying some financial windfalls due to withholdings from the feds. I assure you, they are wasting your tax dollars somewhere, and maybe you can tap into that wasteful spending for a better cause. I just don’t know what to tell you.

I am not a big supporter of tax increases of any kind, but if they are going to be raised, I’d rather see it in the states. We can keep a closer eye on it there.

I’ve got more errands to run. Good luck, I have confidence in your desire to do something.

By WashingtonState

February 11, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, Isn’t that “le incitement”? Actually, I got a visual flash from your post that tickled my funny bone something fierce.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

finch - I just absolutely recoil at the concept of “selective taxes”. Selected by whom? And what about the overall effect on the economy and the inevitable result of less, not more revenue going into the federal coffers? I like to think of these sorts of taxes as “feel good, do nothing but harm” taxes. Of course, if we got rid of the income tax and IRS altogether and switched to a Fair Tax, I’d be game.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

It looks like they do have skaters. They’re no Pasha Grishuks though. When she skated they said she was so…um..er..randy, that they would try to keep her locked up until after her competition.

Now watch Danielle be back when I hit post after that comment.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

Speaking of female skaters, the U.S. womens hockey team plays ROUGH!

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Yeah the US Women’s Hockey team beat down Switzerland, Laura Bush and one of the daughters were in attendance. No news on how rough they were, but they did pose for pictures!

By joe

February 11, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

As interesting as this cartoon was, I’d rather be eating a spicy italian sandwich from Subway. 2 layers of salami and Pepperoni topped off with 4 slices of american cheese. Put a little mayo on there, some lettuce, tomatoes, and black olives, and you’ve almost got yourself a sandwich. Next, have them cover the sandwich in salt and pepper, then spray some oil and vinegar over the top, wrap it up and there’s dinner. I think we can all give thanks for a sandwich that good. mmmmm mmmmm

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

Is there more to that post that doesn’t come through to the reader? BTW, Canada isn’t playing very nice with their hosts, it’s 14-0 with five minutes left over Italy.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Well 15-0, 3 minutes to go.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

I think the post button makes Canada score 16-0.

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Good News but of course you won’t find any mention of that on the ajc’s site.

By buff

February 11, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

RW

That new Dodge 4X4 I bought gets 13 MPG city driving

Of course, it might do better if I quit “nailing it” at every stop light. That sucker will RUN

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

RW - No, no political joke regarding the First Lady, just a regular joke tying in the US team playing rough. and Yeah isn’t there a mercy rule or something? They put one in for the World Baseball Classic, they should do the same here.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

That game needed one. Canada finally played the clock and let it die 16-0. Isn’t that the hockey equivalent of an 80 point lead in basketball?

The thing is I wasn’t talking about the score with the Swiss girls. I was really talking about the rough style, Canada was all speed and finesse. It would make a very interesting Gold Medal match-up.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

RW - I hope the IOC, doesn’t follow the same model from the Summer Games and axe the Women’s Hockey competition, like they did Women’s Softball, They are both entertaining in my opinion (for Olympic events).

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Jat not jay,

Now you know that story can’t be true if it’s on the Fox News web site. Even if it isn’t a Fox story.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

How could they do such a thing? There is never any telling what the IOC will do, but unless the US becomes dominant they will probably leave it alone.

By This Weeks Headlines

February 11, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

Libby Testified He Was Told To Leak Data About Iraq

Ex-CIA Official Faults Use of Data on Iraq

U.S. Trade Deficit Hit All-Time High in 2005

White House Knew of Levee’s Failure on Night of Storm

American Idol Crushes Grammy’s in Ratings Battle

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

watch out there, TWH.

you’re about to be swift blogged.

By dave

February 11, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Ah, you just can’t beat a good anonymous chat fight huh? But as the saying goes there are no winners.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

RW - I agree unless the US becomes dominant. However they did give us events like Snowboarding, Arial and moguls events which are basically geared to the US, so in their mind (IOC) it’s an even trade taking away baseball and softball. They apparently have not seen Jennie Finch.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Midori,

LOL you’re about to be swift blogged.

That was hilarious. Where did you steal that line?

By Redneck

February 11, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Todays luckovich cartoon looked better before I enlarged it, but then it always does!!!

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Washington State:

Just back from errands, and I had meant to say: If you drop back in and you see Big Daddy onsite, maybe he can offer more helpful advice in your dilemma. He works in healthcare and whizzes on economics…oops, I mean is a whiz on economics.

He may be mad at me, but hey, I do enjoy watching his righteous anger so who knows?

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

believe it or not, I came up with it myself — as I’ve been a victim of it.

By getalife

February 11, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Peekaboo

Nope, never met the guy!

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

TWH,

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

I’m bored with all this Olympic talk. Le, can you post YOUR resume?

A random thought - Maybe “Le” is short for “Lee”, but “le” saves ink and energy. Saving the environment, one letter at a time.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Always the victim, huh? That is truly the one defining quality of the Democratic Party.

Great line, though! The funny thing is the Swiftvets stories have held firm while Kerry’s have constantly changed. So is being Swift (blanked) when someone tells an inconvenient truth about you?

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

That’s “The Cowboy” and “the indian”, they are probably arch enemies.

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t say that I’m “always” the victim.

That’s your people’s claim to fame.

And if you limit your news sources to those that keep perpetuating those lies, so be it.

Their garbage has been debunked so many times.

I’m not going to bother posting links, as I’m quite sure your’e not interested.

I grow weary of wasting my time talking to a rock.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I love your links. I often read them and get a huge kick out of them. Please don’t stop!

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Midori - So if being a “victim” is our claim to fame, then who are all those people who didn’t flee Hurricane Katrina? It sounds like something to be debunked, doesn’t it? Please post links, its fun! Puts us in touch with the parallel universe.

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Yeah, sure.

Maybe later.

You sure you have a good supply of lotion at hand?

I’ll give you a chance to run out and buy more.

I aim to please. :)

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

RW - I’ve got an idea! Why don’t we award Midori a Purple Heart as an incentive to keep on getting Swift-blogged?

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

BD,

Do I know you?

Better question: do I even “want” to know you?

Go find someone else to play with.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I need lotion for these? What kind of links are you going to be posting?

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Gawd you’re an idiot, BD.

Are you RW’s cheeleading assistant?

You can keep your purple hearts.

Is there nothing that you morons won’t make a mockery of?

By buff

February 11, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Midori

Whatcha been doin’

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Its funny, but I detect some homophobia from Midori. Posters are being labeled as “gay” and that’s supposed to be an insult, yet we’re the one’s who are told we’re homophobic. Just another stunning liberal paradox I guess.

Moreover, if they’re not for gay rights, then that really cuts down on their issues, not to mention campaign contributions.

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

I don’t know RW.

let’s start with this one, shall we? I know how you enjoy that sweet primate love

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Midori,

See I read that whole link and didn’t need any lotion.

I wonder what a blog cheerleader would sound like…hmmm, maybe:

I really like the cut of your jib

Or something as nauseating probably.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Isn’t a rock solid?

By M and the Ms

February 11, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Take the children and yourself And hide out in the cellar By now the fighting will be close at hand Don’t believe the church and state And everything they tell you Believe in me, I’m with the high command

Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Oh No! Midori is throwing away the fat and nerdy people’s vote too! Soon there will be nothing left of their constituency. Good thing we have Ann Coulter on our side.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Midori,

The arguments you present with these links are overwhelming, where do I sign up? Are there special moonbat classes?

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

So the drive-bys have teamed up and are now a married couple. Congratulations!! I’m pretty sure it was two guys.

By M and the Ms

February 11, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

There’s a gun and ammunition Just inside the doorway Use it only in emergency Better you should pray to God The Father and the Spirit Will guide you and protect from up here

Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

M and the Ms,

The weekend cartoon blog stays up for a long time, but I’ve got a feeling that offering of yours may hold up as the weirdest entry for this one.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

M and the Ms,

I didn’t think you were going to stick around. The first one is still the better one.

As strange as your posts are there is an interestingly poetic quality to them.

By M and the Ms

February 11, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer Never hint at what you really feel Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters Will rise up and fight while we stood still

Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

yes, RW - The special “moonbat” classes can be found here

Isn’t that the place that decries calling names, but personally does so good at it?

Happy Moonbaytting!!!!!

By getalife

February 11, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

Oh no blog terrorist, run for your lives!

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

M and the Ms. - You just need to get in contact with a producer, so he can but a melody/beat behind your verses, and you got yourself a made for radio song….Not sure if it has American Idol type pull, but you never know.

By Midori

February 11, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

I need to go get some firewood, so RW I leave you with this. you sure you have enough lotion? this should give you lots and lots of orgasms

By getalife

February 11, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

I like this one

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Midori,

The 5:54 would be better than the 5:56 for that. Thanks! The only informative link you provide is to dear sweet Michelle.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

It’s hard to keep up with Midori. Her synapses fire in a really peculiar way. I need a compass to follow the recent exchanges.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

There is also the airish quality of the thoughts, if you can call them that.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

So you like it when GW winks at you? And I thought we had something special.

By Andy

February 11, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

Tsk-Tsk, RW: You must respect the rights of the kooks to drive by here and throw their lies and misconceptions out the window and on to the pavement as they speed away. Who are you to present facts and evidence to disprove their goofy lib daydreams, shattering their hopes, bringing rain down upon their little pinko parade?

Swift blogging should only be used as a last resort.

Besides which, I called dibs, didn’t I?

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

RW - like a stream of unconsciousness? They resemble blips more than thoughts.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I couldn’t resist picking up the gauntlet when it was thrown down like that, besides which you are about an hour and a half late.

In any case, they spread so much of this around that there is always somebody out there you can set straight.

I wonder if there will be a new moonbat talking point coming out on the Sunday shows or if they stay with the same losers pointed out above?

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

You may be a rock, but looking at the previous two posts, you are not an island. Call in the marines and it will be a team of four.

By Andy

February 11, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

RW: They had to retire the “Good job, Brownie” wisecrack, I don’t expect to see a going away ceremony for it though:

Brown defends his role in response to Katrina

They should be hard into rebuilding Brown’s credibility so they can launch him at Bush next week.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

She did stick around longer than usual before running off to kill a few trees for the sake of a little personal comfort.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

The Marines can take care of the foreign enemies while we take care of the domestic ones.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

I was talking about Semper. I have a hard time communicating to you. Maybe you are a rock.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

That was just cruel!!!!! Semper Fi said he wasn’t Marine, if I recall correctly. Besides you said to count to four, I took that to mean Andy, Buy Danish, you, and me.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

Hell, I’m just here for fun. I couldn’t carry on an argument with a rock and win! Besides, arguing isn’t fun for me.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

The subtlety you bring to the argument is invaluable for me. Of course, as you note it is often too subtle for me to figure out when you are addressing me. I usually get it when you are talking to someone else…..I think.

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Oh sure R.W., you’re just buttering me up for my quotes. I did stumble into a great philosophical site while looking for the lyrics to “M & The Mrs” song.

MAYBE I will share. I’m gone again!!! Have fun debating.

By Buy Danish

February 11, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

OO - Has anyone ever told you that you’re a bit “vague”? It’s almost as if your words are being translated into English from some other language.

Nite all - going off to a Valentine’s Day dinner dance with my hubby. Yep, time to unveil a bit. Someone (Kimberly?)assumed that I was male, and I didn’t want to disabuse her of the notion.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Enjoy! See you again soon.

By buff

February 11, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

0-0

Hmmm, BUTTER you up? You are a naughty little scamp, who might need a spanking :)

Oh, the sexual metephors that could ARISE from your words :)

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

buff,

Quit trying to horn in on my buttering job!

By Midori

February 11, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

Be still my heart — Buff appears :)

It sure is cold outside.

I’ve built a nice fire, and sipping hot tea with rum.

All I need now is a good sci-fi movie.

By Midori

February 11, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

found that sci-fi movie.

It’s entitled: George Bush, Most Competent Man in the World.

Now for the popcorn.

Evening all.

See you later.

I’ll review the movie if you wish.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

Very interesting, I wonder if they will search them before they actually get to meet with President Putin. After all, they are terrorist.

We are trying to get democratic states in the Middle East, so I guess eventually even the US is going to have to step back their rhetoric (not invite them to dinner, but at the very least deal with a gov’t headed by Hamas)

By Andy

February 11, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Anybody who wants to see how far bizarre has made it up the ladder only needs to turn to Cynthia Tucker’s Sunday column for your answer.

Mother pinko has assumed the role of apologist for the King funeral grand standers and since this idiocy is almost impossible to defend, why not tap Queen Lib for the job?

I must confess, before Tuesday, I had no idea that there even was a Joseph Lowery. Like I’ve said before, I don’t spend much time studying victim hood the way these pinkos do, but I’d wager that if all of the whiteys killed themselves tomorrow, thereby totally eliminating racism, Mr. Lowery would immediately become a panhandler because he has knowledge of no other occupation.

So this sorry a-ss basically interrupted the family’s grieving for their lost Matriarch, to try and score some stupid political points, unbelievably using the one thing Congress was in almost total agreement about before the war started. If you are going to hijack a major historical event, could we at least find something original to bore everybody with?

Same thing with Carter, Mr. Has Been, irrelevancy at it’s finest. Let’s be honest; how many of you were relieved when he got kicked out of the White House, even with Ronnie Raygun taking his seat? I know you libs get a kick out of American embarrassments, but this was just a little too much. So why does this American History Wrong Turn feel the need to share his stupid ideas with the whole world, using a democrat misdeed to try and pin something on a Republican President, no less?

When Doctor King spoke of responsibility at the funerals of the Birmigham bombing children, some who were friends of Condeleeza Rice, he was absolutely right to share the blame like he did, it was pertinent to the children’s deaths, they were killed because of an institutionalized bigotry, a government sanctioned bias, Bless Doctor King’s Soul for making us face that music.

So why does Tucker want to drag us back to the Pre Martin Luther King era?

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Of course when they act like that they can just deny it ever happened.

By lol

February 11, 2006 08:29 PM | Link to this

At least Cynthia Tucker doesn’t spend her life whining ALL day on an internet blog that 20 people read. LOL

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

It seems they will stoop down to any level to get some press time and political “points”. Let’s see, good press time: Viewing and taking pictures of soldier’s caskets without family’s permission, funerals… What’s next grave digging parties?

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 08:33 PM | Link to this

Andy- Its called reaching, for something that’s not there (It was completely fumbled by the Dem, there is no way to save it). When I heard what Lowery and President Carter said, at the Funeral of Mrs. King, In front of President Bush, With the Democratic “candidate” there, just STUPID, there is no other way to say it. They shot themselves and the Dem Party in the foot with their remarks. Its not like they never have a chance to speak out against the war and Bush at another time, but they chose the worst possible situation to do it in. I have no idea what Dean is doing, but he needs to grow a pair and start getting control of Dem Party, they are killing me and my party. Bush was walking into a no win situation by going, and the best way to have handled it was to just be their for the funeral and let everyone else outside of the Party start with the “should he have gone, shouldn’t he”, and see if something could have been gained from it. But no that would have been using strategy in politics and the last time that happened from the left was with Gore and the “leaders” still have not gotten over the fact that they lost to Bush, so there is no one voice, one strategy, just a bunch of lose cannons.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

Here’s is how Crazy Howie is passing the time on your behalf.

Evidence, we don’t need no stinkin’ evidence…

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this

RW - The chairman of the Democratic National Committee accuses Bush of leaking military secrets (quote), “in a time of war in order to fulfill their political agenda.”

That one has some kind of strategy behind it….BUT

Dean went to allege that Bush wasn’t “truthful” about the extent of his knowledge surrounding the levee damage in New Orleans in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

It should be the number one goal for the Dem (and probably the Rep also) to just fix the ‘Katrina’ debacle quickly and just let it die without anymore finger pointing. Nothing good can come of that issue or strategy, just stop taking about it Dean/Dem please!

By buff

February 11, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this

Midori

Tea and wine, yuck

Try bourbon and bourbon

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

RW - Yeah I know Dean is crazy, I have no idea how he got to be the leader of the party, I’m going to go find out who is to blame for that one.

By Andy

February 11, 2006 08:52 PM | Link to this

DavidU: You hit on the whole entire point to this sad story, Bush went into this partisan lion’s den because Coretta Scott King deserved to be honored by the office of the President of the United States, her life and her legacy are worthy of such an accolade and it was the right thing for Bush to be there.

It just shows the maturity of the democratic party that they would use the opportunity of Bush doing the right and couragous thing to try and score cheap partisan political points at his expense. At the funeral of a very honorable woman, no less.

What Mother Pinko, Cynthia Tucker, is saying is that honoring Mrs. King’s legacy of fighting racism should take a back seat to cheap partisan politics. I don’t know how anyone could agree with that.

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

How did crazy Howie achieve such a high post?

Seems they probably would like to make an adjustment? I haven’t seen many dems here (publicly) crowing about him.

By Andy

February 11, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay: The Dems were hoping that if they made Howieeeeeeeeeaaaaaarrrrrrggggggyyyyeeeaaa the party chairman he would quit running for office. He’s a lot less of an embarrassment where he is at now.

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

And a great political strategist to boot (he hee heee). Dr. D, what kind of medicine does he practice?

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Excuse my Godfather reference: Dean is actually a great peacetime Chairman, but “You’re not a wartime consigliore, Dean. Things may get rough.”

And that’s another huge hurdle my party needs to get over now. I’m just oozing excitement here.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

and by Wartime, I didn’t mean the one with soldiers but the one with votes in November and in ‘08

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

If you’re looking for some sanity in the Democratic Party, you’re not going to find it anytime soon. The extreme left is where all the cash is.

Why don’t you consider the party that truly does have a big tent?

By Andy

February 11, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

Strategists at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran’s nuclear sites as a “last resort” to block Teheran’s efforts to develop an atomic bomb.

Cool. Let’s do it.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 09:29 PM | Link to this

Since “Buy Danish” is out painting the town, I’m going to slip in an Olympics observation/question and feel free to treat it as a math question.

They keep making a big deal about the new scoring system for ice skating and one of the things they keep saying is the most important reform is that no judge can give a perfect 6 for any element. All that means to me is the new perfect score is 5.9, so how is this particular piece of the new system in any way a reform?

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

RW - Because of things like what Andy just posted. I like my party and what they stand for, I just wished they would run thing effectively, and not like a teenage girl spending Daddy’s money. I admire the way Rove handles things, that’s who Dem should study and emulate when it comes to running for office.

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 09:33 PM | Link to this

That’s what is so sad, if the likes of the far left had not “gone to war” for political purpose, the shiat would get done so much faster.

Like giving Saddam so much time to cover his behind before we got there? Having to wait to clear Fallujah out until after our elections?

Andy, on that note, maybe we should grant Palestine their wish and cut Israel loose?

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

RW - Its just a knee-jerk reaction to the whole French judge controversy from the Salt Lakes Olympics. IMO its just so in case the same thing happens again, it will be much tougher to find out that someone cheated, and who.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 09:39 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

You don’t understand the concept of “big tent” do you? In the Republican Party we gladly accept people that might be queasy about what Andy just posted and people like me that are in complete agreement with what he just said. Then we work out the best overall strategy for a plan of electoral action.

All you hear from Democrats is that “they have a better way” and ” they would do things differently”, but there is no substance. Then they lose and after they finish b-itching about the Diebold machines they decide to “re-frame” the message that wasn’t.

By Midori

February 11, 2006 09:45 PM | Link to this

LOL

Here’s your “big tent. Is that RW I see under there Or is it Jeff Gannon?it Jeff Gannon?)

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 09:45 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

Obviously you are correct in your 9:38 post, but that really has nothing to do with what I said.

I only asked about the one piece that “experts” keep saying is the most important part. If you change the highest possible score from 6 to 5.9, you may have lowered the overall scores, but you haven’t reformed anything with that particular action.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 09:48 PM | Link to this

Midori,

How much rum are you putting in that tea? Maybe the fire went out and your typing fingers are stuttering.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

RW - If your “big tent” covers my views, then it would not cover it’s core constituency. I am not a pinko (like Andy references, going by the strict definition of the word) I agree and back many of the issues Bush and Rep push in their agendas. But the Dem party has more views that fall in line with mine however.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

One day when we have a lot of people on line discussing politics you should share those views and let both sides kick them around a little bit.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

RW - My take on the all the fuss over the scoring: being competitive athletes in the highest competitive event in their field, the old system let them achieve perfection the 6.0 final score. With every aspect of the ‘routine’ now being judged, perfection is never able to be reached. Then again I was not a philosophy major so basically I’m just shooting from the hip with that one.

Before it was overall score, now Instead of judges just judging the overall performance, every jump or spin or step sequence has a base value, plus a range of execution values that lead to a technical score. (yeah I looked that up) And I am still not sure If I answered your post.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 10:18 PM | Link to this

RW - Yeah, I just hope the ones that are able to have the discussion come to have an open discussion, and are not the just to say My party is the best: “You are a racist/Bible humper(Rep)…no, you are gay/tree hugger(Dem)”. I enjoy the exchange of ideas and welcome when someone changes my view on things. I can accept when I’m wrong, I just hope that the other person can at least acknowledge when my argument raises a question regarding their position.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

There is always some of that, but it isn’t hard to ignore it and discuss with the others.

Try this philosophical question. If a 6 is longer allowed as a score isn’t 5.9 perfection?

By finch

February 11, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

I think the Dems have a big tent. There’s Harry Reid, Joe Lieberman, Evan Bayh, Mark Warner, Diane Feinstein, Howard Dean… yes, even Howard… a nice palette of overlapping political perspectives that deftly balance patriotism and pragmatism.

And you can be a Democrat even if you don’t like Hillary. A lot of Dems don’t.

Unfortunately, to be a Republican, it seems that more often than not, you have to ignore your natural heaven sent humanity.

If you don’t talk like Ann Coulter, scheme like Dick Cheney, cheat like Jack Abramoff, pander like Bill Frist or pray like Sam Brownback, you can’t be a Republican.

You’ll be skating on thin ice if you think the United States isn’t divinely inspired to spread pluralism and democracy to nations where those concepts are alien and considered a threat to the status quo. You may realize this is not our “manifest destiny”, but too many Republicans don’t.

And God help you if you question the morality, much less the rigid enforcement of a total ban on abortions, even those involving incest, rape, or the health or lives of women. You’re doomed.

I hope the irony of the twin policies of an abortion ban and the termination of all government funded child health care doesn’t escape you.

The so-called GOP “big tent” really isn’t. It’s a brick faced, lead lined inflexible box. Conform or smother.

The Dems aren’t perfect, but they’re flexible, and the first to admit there’s always room for improvement.

Come on in, and stay awhile! Y’all come back now, hear??

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 10:29 PM | Link to this

RW - I think I may have figured it out or its going to haunt me all night The scores now come from a base score and few are even derived from 5.0

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 10:31 PM | Link to this

finch “Unfortunately, to be a Republican, it seems that more often than not, you have to ignore your natural heaven sent humanity.”

where did you find this?

Good jokes: “The Dems aren’t perfect, but they’re flexible, and the first to admit there’s always room for improvement.”

“And you can be a Democrat even if you don’t like Hillary. A lot of Dems don’t.”

he hee heee!

By finch

February 11, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

It’s bad enough when a British newspaper publishes a report on US plans to attack Iran’s nuclear assets.

It’s even worse when a neocon gloats about it.

Let me get this straight. Reporting on NSA eavesdropping. Bad. Trumpeting US military plans. Good.

Am I missing sonething?

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 10:35 PM | Link to this

Yes, finch, apples and oranges.

By finch

February 11, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this

Jnj,

Apples and apples is more like it.

Sure the GOP lacks humanity! Compassionate conservatism is an oxymoron.

And everybody knows Dick Cheney has no heart!

By Objective Observer

February 11, 2006 10:40 PM | Link to this

Finch (My little adjective):

There was absolutely nothing flexible in your post. You offered only either/or with nothing in the middle. There have been more Republicans on this site who have conceded that their party is not perfect. That the abortion issue is up for debate as well as separation of church and state. Not to mention, that whether we were right or wrong going into Iraq, the job must be finished.

I cannot believe you said all of that. The administration is not the Republican Party.

Relax, David U is, at this point, committed to his party. No need to panic!!!!!

Sorry for that unsightly exposure David U, not all democrats are that opinionated.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

Finch, OO, JnJ - Its the beauty of the two Party system, and one of the reasons the USA is such a great nation.

I’m a member of the Dem party, but I say I’m more of a moderate who walks with a limp that causes me to lean to the left, how ever I don’t mind what I see on the right, MOST of the time that is :).

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 10:46 PM | Link to this

finch, did you shoot under an 80 today again today? Just a question…do YOU support Dr. D?

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 10:47 PM | Link to this

It all did start with Jefferson challenging Adams under the banner of the Democratic-Republican party. Oh man I should have been a Poli Sci Major instead of Economics.

By Semper Fi

February 11, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

Finch, you have only demostrated how little you know of the Republican Party. This must be your move.org brainwashing coming thru.

By DavidU

February 11, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Well You all have a good night,

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this

DavidU, your candor is appreciated. ‘Night

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 10:58 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

I didn’t mean to have the 6.0 vs 5.9 as perfection bother you. I was really hoping for “finch” to come by and BS an answer, but I guess I got his BS on the “oh so flexible” Democrats.

By Jay not jay

February 11, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this

finch, get out your calculator!

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

I hope DavidU doesn’t read this tonight! The base 5.0 isn’t any different. Some elements start at different base numbers, but the ones that are base 5 get scored in tenths.

You could give a 5.0 or a 5.1 or a 4.9 and so on. The difference now is that you used to be able to go all the way up to 6.0 and now you can only go up to 5.9. Since 5.9 is the highest possible score it is now a perfect score.

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 11:21 PM | Link to this

finch,

I have a new post up about a New York Times article. I’m looking for a larger excerpt of an editorial that I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find. I won’t tell anybody where I got it if it should appear somewhere.

By hereyougo

February 11, 2006 11:32 PM | Link to this

RW - The Journalist and the Whistle-Blower

By RW-(the original)

February 11, 2006 11:36 PM | Link to this

Thank you! “hereyougo”

By finch

February 11, 2006 11:48 PM | Link to this

Here’s another thanks to “hereyougo”!

RW, I’m gonna have to check out your blog again.

And pimp it while I’m at it

Jnj, I’m ambivalent about Dr. D. I definitely trust him more than I do Hillary.

DavidU, I think I walk with the same slight tilt to the left. Sometimes I think the US two party system is too constraining. A multi-party system like Britain, (to a lesser degree) Canada, or (heaven help us!) Israel might be nice. Our two party system means too many of have been voting with one hand while holding our noses with the other.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 12:03 AM | Link to this

finch,

I just put the story through re-write. Please be sure to point out the words that I can see, but aren’t really there.

By Jay not jay

February 12, 2006 12:18 AM | Link to this

finch, does that mean that you are more “in line” with Dr. D or you just hate Hilliarly?

By finch

February 12, 2006 12:24 AM | Link to this

RW,

It’s so nice to know that I’m not the only one who writes a sentence, and then “sees” words in that sentence that are invisible to everyone else. The mind is faster than the fingers, or something like that.

Jnj,

Let’s just say that I’m not Deans biggest fan, but he’s worlds better than Hillary. I have very little respect for New York’s junior Senator.

By Brett

February 12, 2006 12:31 AM | Link to this

Today I saw on TV 3 great American heroes: Trent Lott, David Duke, George Bush. What an impressive trio.

By the way, “We’re winning”!!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 01:05 AM | Link to this

finch,

If you wonder what happened that story at my place had to be completely redone, so the comments are gone as well. I think I hit “publish” instead of “save” and let a poor draft of a work-in-progress get out, so what you saw probably doesn’t resemble what’s there now anyway.

By WashingtonState

February 12, 2006 01:51 AM | Link to this

Good article in this week’s “Foreign Affairs.” http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85202/paul-r-pillar/intelligence-policy-and-the-war-in-iraq.html

PAUL R. PILLAR is on the faculty of the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University. Concluding a long career in the Central Intelligence Agency, he served as National Intelligence Officer for the Near East and South Asia from 2000 to 2005.

By Andy

February 12, 2006 06:53 AM | Link to this

Gosh, who would have thought that the AJC would devote a full section of the litter box liner to our failure to respect the tender sensibilities of the savage little Muslim terrorists? This coming from a “news” paper that blaspemes, censures and impugns Christianity at the very first and every opportunity.

Could it be that we are following your exalted examples, like your trailblazing thought provoking displays such as the “p** Christ,” with our lack of respect for the Islam?

Aren’t you pinkos the ones who taught us that Religion was basically the root of all evil? And that it deserves no special protections?

I got an idea, AJC. Let’s set up some free screenings of “BrokeBack Mountain” for these Muslim folks, you know, sort of like a peace offering, everybody likes free movie tickets, don’t they?

By Andy

February 12, 2006 07:01 AM | Link to this

These savage little monsters are just begging us to bomb them:

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran’s hard-line president on Saturday accused the United States and Europe of being “hostages of Zionism” and said they should pay a heavy price for the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that have triggered worldwide protests.

What are we waiting for? To see if they are really serious about killing us?

Why is the first pinko priority in this emerging crisis, a crisis that could make World War 2 look like a cakewalk, to publicly shame ourselves over a couple of cartoons that we didn’t even draw? Is this the only reaction you libs know, to apologize and grovel around in self loathing?

By Liberal Texas Democrat

February 12, 2006 07:03 AM | Link to this

Bob Barr says of all of this

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

And what do ylu suggest we do about the Saudis Andy? Give them ANOTHER pass? They are fanning these flames along with the rest of them.

By Andy

February 12, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

RetLtCol: I missed the part where the Saudis were openly threatening our security like Iran is. I think liberals are a greater threat to the United States then even Iran is, but that doesn’t mean we should bomb them.

No, let’s just kick Iran’s a-ss, we’ll see how things shake out from there.

By finch

February 12, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

RetLtCol, you make a great point. The Saudi ruling family has done nothing to contain US hating Wahabbi Islam fanatics who make most Iranian mullahs look pro-American.

It was Wahabbi teachings that gave the world Osama bin Laden.

And the US should attack Iran?

By NOIBTD

February 12, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

[The Future

After decades of theocratic oppression, the vast majority of the Saudi people are restive for the following reasons: 1.) The Shiite minority in the southern and eastern provinces are tired of the violent persecution they have suffered at the hands of the Wahhabist clergy. 2.) The young people of Saudi Arabia want to live in a modern society where they can utilize their enterprising talents and energies to build a prosperous future. 3.) Lastly, non-Wahhabi scholars are already calling on the royal family to reject the officially sanctioned intolerant state religion and replace it with pluralistic Ottoman-Islamic traditions. Remarkably, thousands of young people are turning to Sufism as an expression of protest against the entrenched religious establishment.

The transition to a reasonably open Malaysian parliamentary model from its current medieval state need not be catastrophic. The Saudi monarchy could remain as a symbolic body with power concentrated in a representative legislature. Indeed, the position that a more strict Islamic system might emerge if the House of Saud is brushed aside is ludicrous. Proponents of this view often cite the emergence of an Iranian-style regime as a possible consequence. However, this is a specious historical analogy since the Iranian people never experienced the harsh strictures of Islamic law prior to the ascension of the Islamic Republic. The people of Saudi Arabia know this repression all too well and they are dead tired of it.](http://www.meforum.org/article/535)

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

Nobody is saying attack the Saudis. But they should be under intense pressure to be a part of the solution in the Middle East. Exert extreme pressure on them to stop the money flow from Saudi Arabia to the various terrorist groups. And stop being apologists for the Saudis. Don’t be afraid to mention them in the same breath as the other terrorist states. And if they retaliate by blackmailing or extorting us with oil, by all means take stronger measures against them.

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

By the way Andy. If you don’t understand that the enormous financial support that terrorists get from the Saudis is more threatening than the rhetoric coming from Iran, than you really have no understanding of the situation at all. The money is the lifeblood.

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Very good points NOIBTD. It seems that an administration that is a proponent of democratic states around the globe would be making a push to promote a more democratic system in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis also have some of the most oppressive policies toward women in that region. Cut to the chase. Stop Saudi support of terrorism and reform that regime. Stop tippy toeing and p*** footing around the real problem with these endless smokescreens. Deal with the Saudis and the biggest part of the Middle Eastern equation is solved. You can’t secure the hen house by giving the fox a pass.

By Ricky

February 12, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Saudia Arabia is definetly a thorn in our side. They are suppossed to be one of our “allies” in that region but they don’t do near enough to stop terrorims either being taught at their schools or from money give to those organizations from their citizens. We should put as much pressure as possible on them to reform themselves. RetLtCol, you make some very good points about the Saudis. I couldn’t agree more with you.

By IRAQVETX2

February 12, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Over the last few days I have read so much of your bullshi$ that I just have to say it Andy. Maybe it is you and people of your ilk that are the greatest threat to this country. You little punks want to kick everyone’s a* just so long it is not your blood that gets shed. You are the most disgusting type of coward that there can be. Every single one of you computer commandos ought to have to dig the graves of those who have to do the “a$# kicking” so that you can sit on your worthless butts talking all your wannabe bada$% bullsh*& that makes you feel like such big men. Quit being such legends in your own minds. And you Andy are most definately queer.

By Ricky

February 12, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

finch, your contention that the Democratic Party has a bigger tent is laughable. You claim that if you don’t support total restrictions on abortion you can’t be a Republican. I guess Arlen Spector and Rudy Guilani didn’t get that memo. You could just as easily move a few words around and change the names and you would have the Democratic Party. To claim that one party is pure and the other isn’t is not intellectually honest. It just goes to show how blindly partisan you are. But, I think most of us already knew that

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Every administration since Carter has known that the Saudis are the biggest problem in that region and do absolutely nothing about them. We keep expending resources and blood on peripheral players by striking at the tail instead of going straight to the head of the snake. Deal with Saudi Arabia and the rest of the region becomes nothing more than sabre rattling fleas on the elephants butt. Quit wasting time and lives. The tail doesn’t wag the dog guys.

By Ricky

February 12, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

RetLtCol, while I agree with you that the Saudi’s have been a problem for years(since the Carter admin) and that we need to deal with them, saying that the rest of the region is “sabre rattling fleas” is wholly inaccurate. Iran will not change due to anything that happens in Saudi. Iran is determined to make its mark on the middle east, most likely through direct confrontation with Isrea.

By candide

February 12, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

I an an equal opportunity anti-religionist. Screw the Muslims and the Christians and the Jews.

Burn the Bible, Talmud and Koran and strangle the Pope in the entrails of the last Ayatollah and rabbi.

Ecrasons l’infame!

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

All I’m saying Ricky is that without the financial support that the Saudis provide, the rest of the players are dramatically weakened.

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

When we stand up to the Saudis, not only will the Middle Eastern countries know that we mean business,but the rest of the world as well.

By EricDeming

February 12, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Its Snowing!!

By John McL

February 12, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Taking on the Saudis would require a great deal of sacrifice on our part and I think this country is too spoiled for that. Its one thing to pick on an easy target like Iraq, but taking on the Saudis would send the world economy into an economic crisis much like the depression.

We see our use of oil as a god given right protected by the constitution. Our addiction to oil means we pay the black mail and keep our mouths shut and do nothing.

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Doing nothing is not an option with China becoming a major purchaser of Saudi oil. When the Saudis don’t need us anymore they will think nothing of tossing us overboard. If you think you pay the blackmail now. Wait until the Chinese reduce our influence. They sell us oil while loathing us quite openly. China will change the Middle Eastern equation and it will not be user friendly to the U.S.

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

This quest to take down Iraq and Iran is a move on our part to secure portions of the Middle Easy as a run up to the end game that is certainly coming. It looks as if Iran will be next if for no other reason than to take minds off of Iraq. This administration cannot afford to have the get out of Iraq heat so high that eventually we pull out. Being engaged in Iraq and Iran will almost insure that the next administration cannot accomplish a withdrawal. The ultimate goal is to be entrenched to the point that we can quickly secure the Saudi oil fields if our supply is threatened by any entity including the political and economic manuevers of the Chinese. Do not think for one minute that China does not intend to be the last man standing. The Chinese are a grave threat to the security of this nation and this entire thing is part of a strategy to survive the China threat.

By finch

February 12, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

So it comes down to who’s more rigid, the Republicans or the Democrats? I’ll say it’s the Republicans.

Guiliani doesn’t count. Neither does Bloomberg. Both are pro-choice (heresy to the GOP) because you couldn’t be elected dogcatcher in NYC if you weren’t.

And who’s to say that “Iran will not change due to anything that happens in Saudi”? Saudi Arabia is the physical and spiritual center of Islam.

It doesn’t mean Saudia Arabia should be invaded. But even a little criticism might help. Bush is right. The US is addicted to oil. Guess who’s the pusher?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Well a memo must have gone out that said we were getting serious about the problem posed by Iran. Why else would all the bleating start about Saudi Arabia?

Have you ever considered that a little unified saber rattling might just work? I swear that if we decided we were going open a few resorts about 60 miles due south of Key West, you guys would say Jamaica is the real problem.

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

RW, there’s a big picture here. The whole point of this thing is to ensure that we never lose the ability to quickly secure the Saudi oil fields. Think about this RW. Latin America has gone totally left. They are not coming back. Mexico will go left in the July presidential election. And if you are paying attention to anything other than the Middle East you know this. The Chinese have made inroads in Latin America both strtegically and economically. They will become the largest consumer of Venezuelan crude in short order. And Chavez will laugh all the way to the bank. Don’t be surprised if trade agreements come about that practically shut us out in that part of the world. This makes the security of the Middle Eastern oil fields all that much more crucial to our well being. And one other little thing. All of you xenophobes that want to get tough with Mexico over immigration, be careful what you ask for. Mexico is still in our camp and are important trade partners. The immigration issue is fire and we could really get burned.

By andy

February 12, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

How can we not support a president that stands up for freedom and democracy. Should we have just let them attack us on 911 and done nothing? I can’t believe how the Democrats in this country are trying to tear the very fabric of freedom and democracy in two.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

RetLtCol,

I was reading your well thought out post with interest until this: All of you xenophobes… Now one inclination would be to ignore that and have a discussion, another might be to say screw you jerk.

I’ll get a cup of coffee and decide.

By Mike

February 12, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Just when there was about to be some intelligent dialogue here back comes pansy Andy trying to push the conversation back to the only thing he knows. Rats vs Cans. Don’t you know anything else Andy? I guess if Rush ain’t talkin about it you can’t either. What a boar.

By Wow

February 12, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Some great comments and debate. Then of course the 2 Republican campaign bozo’s that are here 23/7 come back and ruin it.

Take a day off rw (Mr Google) and andy, please, the intelligent debate without both of you has been refreshing.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Why won’t Bush feed the polar bears?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Wow,

There are plenty of blogs that don’t allow an opposing point of view. This isn’t one of them yet.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

I’m back after a night of frolic. Music! Dancing! Drinking! Earthly delights! Thumbing my nose at the Intifada…

Candide - No one, not even, Pat Robertson, cares if you are an atheist, as long as you don’t try to erase the history of Western Civilization. Burning books and strangling the Pope? Isn’t that a bit, dare I say, “chilling”?

What is the difference between an fanatical religious fundamentalist and a fanatical anti-religious fundamentalist? I see none, except that thanks to America’s bounty you probably have more teeth and wardrobe choices than the typical jihadist.

I’m curious as to how you got to this point in your life. You appear to consumed with rage against a non-existent bogeyman. Did you have a lousy childhood? Molested by a Priest perhaps? Still bitter that the “glorious” Communist revolution failed? Scorned by a lover? What is responsible for this great big chip on your shoulder?

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

RW, it is not xenophobia on the part of everyone that has feelings about the immigration thing with Mexico, but we have all encountered those who would shut the door for no other reason than they don’t like Mexicans. The xenophobes know who they are as does everyone else. I would hope that people would not let that drive such a strategic issue.

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Andy it is really obvious that you are Buy-Danish. What a boar.

By Wow

February 12, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Its not about an opposing view with you and andy its an obsession. When things dont go the way the 2 of you want you start flooding the blog with cr@p like you’re trying to win a sporting event and there is nothing at all intelligent about that. The 2 of you are killing this blog.

One day of intelligent non bashing, non angry, non partisan , non flooding cr@p! Is that too much to ask for? Insted we get stupid diversions like “why wont Bush feed the polar bears”

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Let’s review this great debate that Mike and Wow are so thrilled to be reading:

RetLtCol: Saudi Arabia is our real problem.

finch: That’s right!

Ricky: I couldn’t agree with you more (although Ricky loses points for telling “finch” how warped his view of the Democrat party is)

IRAQVETX2: Andy is a queer.

Mike and Wow: Go away we were having such a great “debate”

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

The “molested by a priest” comment gave you away Andy. Your mind seems to be occupied a lot of the time by gay subjects. Are you trying to fight off homosexual tendencies or are you just plain gay?

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Actually RW there was more good dialogue than has been here in days. You guys just freak out when you are overmatched by someone that actually knows their stuff and can see the world as a whole. Maybe you just don’t have the education, intellect, or intelligence to keep up the pace.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

RetLtCol,

There is a BIG difference between discussing xenophobia as in your last post, where I happen to share your feeling, and flat out calling me a xenophobe with no basis whatsoever, as you did in the first post you addressed to me.

Wow,

What have you got against polar bears?

By IRAQVETX2

February 12, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

The game’s on Andy and RW. Step up to plate or shut the f*******% up and let smarter people talk. All you’ve done in the last of your post is prove that you are a bunch of dumbshi^%. And before you jump, I know that I’m not smart but I do know who is. And you and candy pansy gay boy Andy ain’t. I’m tryin to get a little smarter and RW and Andy can’t help.

By John McL

February 12, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Well I thought I’d give it a try, lol. You guys can have your playground back.

Good comments RetLtCol.

Wow, Mike, Mike S, I’m afraid your fighting a losing battle.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

IRAQVETX2,

Give us a list of people that are allowed to express their views in your world. Why do self-professed morons like yourself only want to hear one side? That certainly doesn’t sound like any way to learn.

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

If you go back and read the comment RW you will see that the man said “xenophobes”. Nothing was directed at you. It was directed at those that are. Take some reading comprehension classes or something.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

MikeS,

If I’m addressing a comment to you and I say “all you bigots that think…”, that certainly sounds like I am calling you a bigot.

For the record that is just an example.

Now if I was addressing a comment to you and I said “among the dangers society faces are bigots that think…”, that sounds like I have changed from addressing you and begun to discuss a problem.

There is your reading comprehension lesson.

Your welcome!

By IRAQVETX2

February 12, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

RW,everyone is, crapforbrains. It just seems like you mental midgets get real resentful when someone is a little more aware than you. Your “views” have no purpose accept a pitiful attempt to dominate the blog and run everyone else that has more brain matter than you out. You are pitiful little weasels that get some perverse satisfaction out of showing the world how dumb you can be.

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Most of us understood that the man was saying don’t let bigotry drive such an important issue. If the shoe fits wear it. If it doesn’t don’t.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

IRAQVETX2,

Then exactly what views are you talking about? Saying “We have to go get the Saudis” and then slapping each other on the a-ss isn’t exactly dialog.

Saudi Arabia is certainly a problem, but Iran is rapidly developing nuclear weapons and making no bones about their desire to use them. RetLtCol is absolutely right that we have to figure out how to secure the oil fields there, but where the argument falls apart is ignoring Iran while we do that.

We could take over all of Saudi Arabia and then have the whole place incinerated by Iran immediately after. My point is that if we could just once present a unified front that sent a clear message of our resolve, we would have a much better chance of not having to invade Iran.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

IRAQVET2 and MikesS, you’re clogging the blog up with your whinning. Want cheese? Please go away and let greater minds discuss things.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

MikeS,

Talk about needing reading comprehension class, did you miss this:

For the record that is just an example.

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

RW you just made my point for me. The man never said ignore Iran, Iraq, or anybody else. He pointed out the strategic reasons that the administration is focusing on Iran and Iraq. A regional strategy RW. Maybe you have to read something 3 or 4 times before it sinks in. Or try reading out loud.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

It appears that Wow hit the nail precisely on the head.

guess which group they belong to

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

This quest to take down Iraq and Iran is a move on our part to secure portions of the Middle Easy as a run up to the end game that is certainly coming.

That it is RW. I just made it real easy for you. Maybe even you can get it now.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

MikeS,

It would be impossible to make your point for you because you would first have to have one.

We have a regional strategy already, it just doesn’t happen to be the one you want.

By IRAQVETX2

February 12, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

AT EASE Private Semper Fi. Crawl your simple as$ back under the rock you crawled out from under. Your ignorance makes the corp look bad. Your beer bottle wisdom is nothing more than gas being passed.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

MikeS,

Mighty selective aren’t you?

By RetLtCol

February 12, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Every administration since Carter has known that the Saudis are the biggest problem in that region and do absolutely nothing about them. We keep expending resources and blood on peripheral players by striking at the tail instead of going straight to the head of the snake. Deal with Saudi Arabia and the rest of the region becomes nothing more than sabre rattling fleas on the elephants butt. Quit wasting time and lives. The tail doesn’t wag the dog guys.

Cheerleading fools like you are extremely boring.

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

I just made it moron. It’s there for the whole world to see. Keep proving how dumb you are rockhead.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Yes indeed it is, right above your last insightful post at 2:43. Fool.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

IRAWVET2 MikeS. Why all the name calling?? Do you have anything real to say?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

Later today somebody will come along and say “See how mean conservatives are! RW called “MikeS” a fool.”

By Amelia

February 12, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

I am just passing through today but after reading the last comments I went back and read RetLtc’s posts. He did a really nice job laying it out from a strategic standpoint and wrapping it all up into a global context. He probably understands the administration’s logic better than anyone that has ever posted here. I guess strategic thinkers see all of the aspects better than we laymen. I loved how he understood how the situation in Latin America ties into this strtegy as well. And he did it by the way without falling down on either side of the political debate. Obviously he has some background in international relations. I would like to stay longer but have to do other things.

HAVE A NICE DAY EVERYONE!

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Amelia:

I absolutely agree! I was seeing the discussion between RetLtCol and R.W. going somewhere. I am waiting, however for IRAQVETX2 and Mike S. to make their point, not the RetLtCol’s he was doing great on his own and needed no support.

I hope to see him come back!

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Actually they are peripheral players in the big game. Saudi Arabia is the final objective. As the man said moron. “The tail doesn’t wag the dog”.

Midori that is GREAT! Thanks for the laugh. But tell me. Which ones are Andy and RW. It is real easy to pick out Semper Fi.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Well since everyone one is guessing Who is Who, I am going to guess MikeS and IRAQVET2 are the exposed boobs.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

Hmmmmm, another “rock” reference. Maybe Mike S. and I……..Nah!

By IRAQVETX2

February 12, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer you are right and nobody should be name calling. But I have been reading this blog for a week or so and I see the same handful of people resort to name calling and other types of cyber intimidation. I just think that sometime the bully needs to be bullied himself and sometimes getting into the gutter with them gives them a little dose of their own medicine. I wish everybody could do it the right way. But they should never be given the privelage of those tactics without getting some back in return.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

He probably had to read back to even come up with his insults. I wonder if he has figured out his last post contradicts his new found idol?

By Mikes

February 12, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Touche Semper Fi. Even I have to laugh at that. You got me.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

We call it blog terrorism according to Dusty.

Looks like “RetLtCol” has brought a new thought on the big picture.

By galaxy803

February 12, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Hi….just to get all of you fired up … especially you sad Bushies, I’m an ex-pat living in Switzerland. From what I can gather from all these discussions here and on other sites, it’s pretty clear the US is screwed and existing under one of the most corrupt governments in modern democratic history. Sorry to be such a downer. Fire away!!!

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

MikeS. Glad to give you a laugh. I tried hard to refrain from toilet talk and almost didn’t post that. Glad I did if you gave a chuckle. Have a great day.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

getalife,

He gave the parrots something to say, anyway.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

galaxy803,

I call it the coc(culture of corruption) and it stinks worse than New Orleans after Katrina.

By MikeS

February 12, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

At least it will something new RW. Not the same old regurgitated Rushrant from you and Andy that we all know so well.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

MikeS,

With the memories of your latest incoherent thought ringing in my ears, I’m off to shovel the driveway.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Snow in Alanta? How much snow?

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

galaxy803, we’re not Sad, we’re proud as peaches. Thank you though.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

For the record, I agree with Andy 100 percent. It is just that I am more a M16 type and he is the M60.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

IRAQVETX2:

Sorry for the delay! I was lost in a link which I am prone to do. You see, I am here to learn as well, but I do it by listening more and responding little. In my opinion, outbursts directed at “an individual” do little to help us learn.

But men are inclined to retaliate when provoked. In that you have only been visiting for a week, I would suggest that you go back and see some exchanges that have taken place. The conservative that you targeted today is always open for discussion, but don’t expect to walk away with a win, but that doesn’t mean you lose either. Give and take is the best that you can expect. Hell, even Andy has his moments, but he reserves them for those who are truly in pain. His tool of the trade is sarcasm in front of his convictions and in that I enjoy sarcasm and admire convictions, I have no problem with learning from him as well.

There should be nothing taken personally here.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

OO,

Torture is not good enough for Cheney!

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

RW - Dittoes to “My point is that if we could just once present a unified front that sent a clear message of our resolve, we would have a much better chance of not having to invade Iran.”. Unfortunately some people would rather commit national suicide than unite against the real enemy. Blinded by irrational hatred of W, they don’t see the approaching Taliban.

Mike S - Actually it was I, not Andy who asked Candide if he had been molested by a Priest. It had nothing to do with a gay/anti-gay message. I am merely trying to fathom the depths of his anti-religious extremism. Are you defending the burning of Bibles and the strangling of Popes? That doesn’t seem to shock you which doesn’t surprise me, but does disturb me.

Other than entering the mosh pit and bashing Bush, I don’t have a clue what you actually stand for because all you do is call people “morons”. You could start a blog for your fellow playground buddies instead of boring the rest of us to death. You wouldn’t actually have to use full sentences either, just choose from a selection of pre-teen epithets and Midori’s photo gallery.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Where do you disappear to? It was a lawyer he shot, I don’t really call that beyond torture. Do you?

I hope the guy is alright, the article didn’t say. He’ll probably retaliate with a lawsuit to ease his pain and suffering.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

getalife, so what’s wrong with shooting lawyers??? You’re just mad it wasn’t a fatal shoot, right?

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

I had you down as a female (take it away Buff). Sorry, just a vague reference to someone else.

You gave yourself away with your 2/11/06 9:00 A.M. post.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

Sorry, make that 9:30 A.M.

By sct

February 12, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

What a joke this blog has become. I can’t believe Mike L allows his name to be associated with this blog. A few people a day walk into the trap of trying to have a civilized, intelligent discussion and are rudely treated by a bunch of loser amateur bloggers that think they own the place. Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back people you have ruined this place. Lonely hearts club would be a more fitting name for this blog.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

OO,

This story is late night comedy’s dream.

He was hit with shotgun pellets and should be alright.

I have been bird hunting in Texas and you have to know where you fellow hunters are before you shoot. You know, if he served in the military, he might know something about guns.

D’oh!

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

sct:

We’ve already hashed that out. Feel free to look elsewhere for those who you can agree with, but this is the place to be for fun as long as you don’t feel the need to be defensive.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

There are guns and then there are guns. If you served, you will know what I’m talking about (boot camp cadence.)

I’m glad the money-grubbing lawyer is O.K.

You still haven’t told me where you disappear to.

By sct

February 12, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Who ever said this place is for fun????? This is a place to comment on Mike’s cartoon. You people have turned this place into your private chat room and by the comments posted here it seems alot of people are starting to resent it.

And as a matter of fact I love honest, intelligent debate whether I agree with someone or not. What you have here is a social club and a bunch of nonsense.

A place for fun? This is just a sport for some of you.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

getalife, we didn’t have guns in the military. If you were in you probably remember this:

This is my rifle this is my gun(holding crotch) this is for killing, this is for fun(holding crotch).

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

sct, OK. I’ll talk about Mike’s cartoon. It sux. Happy?

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Oh well, I was trying to be more delicate, but Semper just had to reveal. Before you ask, I was not in the military, just know guys that were.

By candide

February 12, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Cheney just shot a Democrat in Texas!

Send him to Iraq. He can take his dummy, dubya, with him.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

sct:

The choice is yours, ain’t America a great place to live?

I’m off to nourish.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

OO,

I play with my gun all the time. No not that gun!

Video games.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

OO - Translation please?

sct- by “loser, amateur bloggers” I assume you are referring to Midori, Mike S, le, and other assorted posters who have an amazing abiltity to say absolutely nothing?

getalife - It will be late nite comedy’s dream, but some people are going to be really p.o.d that it wasn’t Scalia who got nailed.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

I am surprised Cheney did not have the big one /Redd Fox

after he shot the lawyer.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - who are you calling a “loser”?

you ignorant piece of filth.

talking about saying “nothing”.

that’s exactly what you are — NOTHING.

I don’t even know how you entered my life.

I was discussing something with RW, and you jumped in to ask some stupid, ignorant, vile off the wall question. A question I wouldn’t dignify with an answer on my worst day.

Ignorance runs abound, and thy name is Buy Danish.

By Andy

February 12, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

I like this IRAQVETX2, I’m kind of sad that I didn’t get to play with this p***, I hope he comes back around. I have a special place in my heart for dripping little pussys who would rather let women jump out of burning skyscrapers then to put his sissy a-ss out there to protect them.

I especially don’t need some little punk sissy calling me out on my service, I volunteered just as sure as all those men in Iraq right now did.

If somebody threatens my family’s life, whether standing in my front yard or lighting off a nuclear weapon over the city I live in, only the Lord can help them no matter what you sissy liberals have to say about it.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

Most men never address other men’s bathroom humor, it is a freedom they allow one another unlike us women. Someone will come on now and remind me of my indiscretions, but that’s O.K., I’m guilty.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

too bad this guy wasn’t there hunting with Cheney

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Ahh…back from my shoveling. It was coming about 10 to 12 an hour here. That many flakes can really add up if you don’t watch out.

Now for something a little more serious, how on Earth would this blog be a better place if people just came and made a comment about the scribblers latest effort? Have you read what they write in the Fishwrapper Edition about it? Hint: They like it.

getalife,

Now I guess we have the answer to where you disappear to.

Dang, somebody just ran over my mailbox. Bye.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

sct moans, “A place for fun? This is just a sport for some of you.”

Maybe we can make it into the summer olympics, preferably on the fencing team. I like the sound of “en garde” and “touche’”.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Is it true what R.W. has alluded to? Don’t you know that will make you go blind?

By getalife

February 12, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Driving in Atlanta after a good snow storm. Hope you have insurance and can get them to pay.

They have a problem with that down here.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It was only a few flakes, I was kidding about the driveway. Although if we did have snow maybe that guy wouldn’t have been teaching his kid to drive backward into mailboxes.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

I know

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

And you wouldn’t want to miss that view now would you? Behave yourself.

By Andy

February 12, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

RW: When I read the “news” paper in Atlanta it takes quite an effort on my part not to choke or gag, so I usually scan through quickly just catching the headlines. This must have caused me to miss the comment on cartoon boy’s blog, what did they say?

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Midori - “Ignorance runs abound”. Huh? It looks to me like ignorance ran aground with that phrase. The Bard of Avon you are not.

The few days I have been blogging, I don’t recall you actually “discussing” anything. You certainly seem to anger easily. Why don’t you refresh my memory what question got you so unhinged? Humor me.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

RW,

I have been known to take some curves too fast and knock down a few mailboxes.

Nascar style.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Angela Tuck wrote a piece about what an entertaining place this blog was. She said it has a lot of humor, spirited debate, and sometimes a few over the top comments.

That was a few weeks ago, but this blog has really never changed from day one. So these people that say it is now somehow ruined are the same ones that want the place to themselves.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - you are obviously someone who wants to be a part of my life.

Thankfully, I have some say in that.

Why don’t you go see what your mother/sister wants? Wouldn’t you do better to try to have a conversation with her?

I don’t do filth.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Were you driving something like this?

By getalife

February 12, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Cheney’s Got A Gun Cheney’s Got A Gun His whole world’s come undone From lookin’ straight at the sun What did his daddy do What did he put you through

They say when Cheney was arrested They found him underneath a train But man, he had it comin’ Now that Cheney’s Got A Gun He ain’t never gonna be the same

/Aerosmith

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I get to do my “finch” impersonation now. Steven Tyler and I used to be neighbors.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

RW,

I watched that movie last night. The best thing about it was this

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

Midori - What are you talking about? I really don’t “get” your posts.

Be a part of your life? No thanks, really! Your repeated use of the term “ignorant filth” and “filth” indicates to me that you may be an obsessive-compulsive. Do you have to wash your hands everytime you read my posts? It’s a classic warning sign of oc disorder. I keep my posts very clean, so you needn’t worry about filth, but of course reality gets distorted with oc so you won’t believe me no matter what I say. With meds and treatment you CAN make progress.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

RW,

If you were neighbors with Steve, I am sure you kept the train rolling.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I might have, but he was 9 and I was 2.

Buy Danish,

I’m still trying to find this exchange that Midori calls a discussion she and I were having that you joined in. The last one I remember was on her birthday back in November and I’m pretty sure nobody jumped in.

Man that first sentence sux, but I’m not fixing it.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

RW,

Did he have a big mouth and big lips back then?

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Does Steve’s daughter have a big mouth and lips?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

getalife,

When you are two years old everything seems pretty big. I’m not even positive we really were neighbors, but that’s what I’ve been told by people that actually had an awareness of their surroundings at the time.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Oops! I left the daughter behind.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Cr.ap You guys got into a War discussion, and from the looks of things it was “Shock and Awe” style

By getalife

February 12, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

RW,

The only thing I remember when I was two, was a fireman telling me not to light Popsicle sticks with matches to play caveman under my bed.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

OO,

Thank you

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Your welcome! For when you are away.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

exclusive!! Cheney right after the accidental shooting story

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

David U:

It was shocking to me as well! I guess I could apologize, but I don’t know what for.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Midori’s links rock.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

I am resisting the temptation……….O.K. it has passed!!!!!!!!!!

By getalife

February 12, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

OO,

Don’t resist, just let it flow.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

I’m trying to behave myself. It is a new objective for me.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

OO,

I thought you were here for fun.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Sunday, Feb. 12, 2006 3:55 p.m. EST Mary Mapes Blames ‘Vicious’ Bloggers

(http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/2/12/155659.shtml?s=ic)

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

OooooKay! Where is his gun?

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - She is not associated with the Dem Party, so shes just basically a regualr person that can’t get over the fact she got fired. Thats my story and I;m sticking to it. LOL

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I love this from your link:

Mapes says that she was a victim of a new standard in journalism where “the truth doesn’t matter” but instead it’s “the perception of truth that matters.”

Maybe Mary should take another look at this.

By getalife

February 12, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

I’m hunting wabbits

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

David U:

How did you get to that link, I tried twice and couldn’t get anything? But then computech evades me.

R.W. is the master linker.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

OO,

Here!

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

OO - Copy it and paste it on to a new window…without the parenthesis.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

Your link was literally beating like a heart on my screen. What was that about?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

OO,

Here’s the description of what is affectionately known as the throbbing memo:

For our new visitors following John Podhoretz’s citation of Little Green Footballs on the Bill O’Reilly show, here is the animated graphic to which Mr. Podhoretz referred, showing my document created with default settings in Microsoft Word for Mac OS X, overlaid on the CBS News Killian memo from August 19, 1973:

That’s a brand new computer memo overlaid on one of the fake CBS Memos. Pretty remarkable match for a 1973 memo, wouldn’t you say?

By Danielle

February 12, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

Hi everyone! IS everyone’s weekend been lovely?

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

O.K. more information to digest. Perception is like art…subjective.

David U:

When giving me linking instructions, do this: c-u-t & p-a-s-t-e t-o a n-e-w….. Just kidding, I’m slow OO, but not that slow. Thanks!

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

Hi Danielle. Welcome back girl.

By Danielle

February 12, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

Thanks SemperFi

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

OO - You said ‘computech’ evades you so I was unsure how specific, or not to be. Thats why I also added the whole “remove the parenthesis” thing. LOL

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

David U - She may not be “associated with the Dem party” but she sure knew how to get her calls to Kerry’s campaign manager answered before the story, which was not about Kerry but Bush, rolled out before America got to vote. What was his name again? Joe somebody?

RW - How DO you do make those links? Enquiring minds want to know. I can cut and paste an article but don’t want to get charged with plagiarism by citing the whole story. I get the AJCs instructions for Bold and Italic, but tried the link thingy and it didn’t work. I admit it - I’m not a tech savvy chick - and occasionally need help from a man.

But yes, that italicized quote was just classic. The whole story sounds like something out of “The Onion”. As does your Polar Bear story…

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - I get what you are saying, but it doesn’t mean that what ever she does or says get a Dem Party approval.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

Attention everyone: the following blog pimping is a teaching exercise.

Buy Danish.

[RW’s blog]&(http://rw-theoriginal.blogspot.com/)

now take out the dollar sign for this:

RW’s blog

Hi Danielle!

By Andy

February 12, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

Hey, Danielle.

Danish: [Place a name for your link inside here]$(then place the URL here) Remove the dollar sign in the middle, I had to put it there so everything doesn’t turn blue.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

And it doesn’t matter that that wasn’t a dollar sign! Nothing goes there.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

And they say RW and Andy bring nothing to the Blog….You people see this!! (This is sarcasms for those who are unable to notice)

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Great now “Le” is going to say “RW, you owe Andy an apology, that was a dollar sign”

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Got lost in the links again. O.K., very enlightening R.W., but if you can’t explain why that text was throbbing, you have lost all credibility with me.

I wasn’t really lost, I was mesmerized.

Danielle:

Where was the 10 minute warning. It was Getalife’s fault!!!!!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

OO,

Please tell me you are kidding!

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Crickets chirping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

David U:

This is the quiet time when everybody has fun, gets to know their adversaries, and waits for the opportunity to openly discuss issues. Right Andy?

Oh, by the way Andy, I really don’t think you are an a-ss, that was for Kimberly’s benefit. But I may be being vague here, I’m assuming you saw the exchange, but maybe you didn’t.

Boy, explaining yourself requires too much typing. I don’t like it. It’s not fun!!!

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Thanks RW and Andy for helping a damsel in distress. I better get it to work or I’ll really look like an idiot! If you don’t hear from me for a few days you’ll know why.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

All alone with my own crickets!!!!

By Danielle

February 12, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Everyone Im back, so yes OO you got about a 25 min warning b/c i got up and left the comp for a few mins.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

OO,

I keep waiting for you to tell me if you were kidding about the throbbing text. I know how coy you can be.

By Brett

February 12, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

How about that CHENEY and his shotgun!!? Why is it I’m not suprised at his intellectual acumen?? No wonder “we’re winning in Iraq”!

By Midori

February 12, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

anyone watching 60 minutes?

your tax dollars at work.

oh, wait, I forgot.

That show isn’t on the “list”.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

OO - I get what you are saying, Sunday the day of rest.

By nucular

February 12, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Yup. Lets git r shotguns and plug them dirty commie pinko quail. Hit don’t git no better’n this fer us Publicuns. God bless Murca.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

Tell me again how it’s the moonbats that bring all the intelligent conversations to the blog? I just love that one!

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

I wasn’t kidding about being mesmerized, but I was kidding about you.

Hi Danielle, thank you for the warning, my flag is up.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

Brett — 8.8 BILLION missing in Iraq.

8.8 BILLION.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

60 Minutes is pretty good tonite.

Now talking about frozen embryos.

Next story is about all the brain injuries occurring in Iraq.

By Danielle

February 12, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

OO is there something about having me on the blog that makes people want to behave or something? lol.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

8.8 Billion canisters of sarin?

8.8 Billion grains of sand?

8.8 Billion phony SesBS news stories?

Where are they Brett? Midori is calling you out!

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

Danielle:

No, drop by whenever you want. Just have a forgiving heart when it comes to OO.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

RW,

I don’t see anyone twisting your arm and making you hang out here.

If the conversation isn’t up to your intellectual scale, why don’t you just move on?

Logic suggests that if one does not like something, one wouldn’t keep exposing him/herself to it.

And you little “moonbat” comments are as old and lame as your disengenious complaints.

Really they are.

I saw a conversation about how this blog has gone downhill, and you want to blame the left for that.

The left isn’t the first to CONSTANTLY keep whining about Mike’s toons and their subject matter.

So what’s your point?

Do you even have one?

By Danielle

February 12, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

OO Im forgiving besides I stop by a lot and just dont post, mostly b/c I know I will end up not wanting to leave. Just like soon I know I will have to go.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

Danielle:

If I miss you before you leave, have fun! I’m testing my linking skills on a “dead thread” as R.W. would say. I call them “old cartoon sites.”

By Danielle

February 12, 2006 07:34 PM | Link to this

OO lol Have fun testing things out, I know soon I will retreat to cleaning my room and doing the unavoidably homework. And at the same time talking on the phone with one of my best friends! I think Ill stay on for just a few more mins though.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

Danielle,

I think OO is picking on me!

Midori,

I can’t begin to imagine why the LEFT doesn’t immediately begin whining about ml’s toons. I’m shocked, shocked. Hope you didn’t miss too much of 3600 seconds for that rant. Wouldn’t want you to miss a good embryo killing story.

By Andy

February 12, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

The quality of discourse we would be left with if Midori got her wish and RW left:

By IRAQVETX2

February 12, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

RW,everyone is, crapforbrains. It just seems like you mental midgets get real resentful when someone is a little more aware than you. Your “views� have no purpose accept a pitiful attempt to dominate the blog and run everyone else that has more brain matter than you out. You are pitiful little weasels that get some perverse satisfaction out of showing the world how dumb you can be.

Would you consider this blissful, Midori?

I, for one, would prefer that RW keeps hectoring the moonbats…

By Danielle

February 12, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

Im leaving yall, have a great week every one, and happy Valentines day (even if you hate it happy v-day). GOD Bless!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

Bye Danielle,

Have fun with the homework/housework….

By Danielle

February 12, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

RW I dont think Im going to get in the middle of any picking on between you and OO! I have more sense than that, and besides I promised myself Id be off the computer five mins ago, so Im gone! Bye Yall!! GOD Bless!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

Danielle,

Everything is good natured between OO and me. Bye again!

By Andy

February 12, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

In fact, if the Conservatives left this blog what would the pinkos whine about? Would there even be a discussion? Would anybody post? Would they fossilize in here waiting for someone to have a fresh thought? Think about how many times you’ve heard one of these crackpots come up in here and say, for instance “Did you hear the democrat’s new idea? I think it’s great for America.” Never, right? It’s always, “you’re stupid man” or “you repukes need your a-sses kicked.”

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

I have succeeded!!!!!!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 08:11 PM | Link to this

OO,

Good story too!

By buff

February 12, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

I watched the outstanding race-biter, Joseph Lowrey, on Foxnews this morning

When Chris Wallace asked him about the 68% single mother birth rate in the black community JL wanted MORE money spent on social programs. So, how would spending MORE money keep the black chicks from getting knocked up in their teen years? Getting Kued leads them into government dependence and continues the cycle of irresponsibility and government dependence, which, of course, leftists want

These so called civil rights icons could impress the hell out of em if they would preach self responsibility instead of class warfare and bigotry

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

Thanks, but I can’t believe you went snooping. After seeing you and Andy’s instructions, I thought I might be better off on my own. Saw some guy try to do it this morning, looked, and figured out there needed to be closed continuity with the brackets.

See one, ignore it, try one (out of site) and succeed. I am patting myself on the back!

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 08:38 PM | Link to this

buff - So what do you suggest we do then, stop funding the programs? Tell them the gravy train has dried up and its over? And then how do we (society) deal with ‘those’ people?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

OO,

I don’t understand (that rock thing), you already link here all the time. If you put * inside of the brackets you can even put it in italics!

By B.P.O.E

February 12, 2006 08:46 PM | Link to this

Heya Buff r you drunk yet, I sur am

By buff

February 12, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

DU

How do we deal with them now? Do you think that LBJ’s Great Society has helped the poor, whether black or white?

My point was that the civil rights warlord/class warfare race-baiting mongers would better serve their “people” if they would advocate issues of self-responsibility, rather than blame us evil rich folks

He p-ssed and moaned about “tax breaks fot the rich,” which puts more money in my pocket, which i invest, which leads to a stimulated economy, which leads to more opportunities for the “oppressed”

People like Lowrey are more interested in attaining power via stirring anger than they are in solving their “people’s problems

And DavidU, can you tell my why 68% of black kids are born to single chicks?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

OO,

Hmmm is it that you were using part of the stories text?

By buff

February 12, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

BPOE

Naw, just poured a glass of wine

Midori’s tea and rum concoction kind of turned me away from booze for a few hours

By finch

February 12, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

Jeez, I stay away for 6 hours, and look at all the fun I miss!

RW, your comment here was quite succinct.

Wish I’d hung around for the rest of the dialogue with RetLtCol. He’s a smart dude. Hope he comes back.

I trust some of the other newbies left for blogs where everyone agrees with them? Snort.

Unlike RW, I was never Steven Tyler’s neighbor. But I DID stay at the same Holiday Express as he did. (kidding)

Hi Danielle! Bye Danielle!

By buff

February 12, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

finch, who is Steven Tyler?

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

I could take you through it in chronological order, but just know that I was being facetious.

I can link text in blue now, but the * inside the brackets was even clear enough for me to understand. By the way, could you please clean up the mess I left at the Abramoff link at your site. It is just downright embarrassing to lack the skill.

I may try again sometime, but if I leave a mess, I’ll come back here and ask for a “Clean Up on Aisle ?”.

I’m not sure I like the coy reference. It carries some negative connotations. But I will think in positive terms.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Buff

are you that fickle that you base what you drink on what other’s drink?

By buff

February 12, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

Midori

No, I actually was curious and tried your recipe. eeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccckkkkk

I used Earl Grey and Captain Morgan

Now, I like spiced rum

What were your ingredients?

By Midori

February 12, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

no spiced rum - regular Barcardi and Lipton tea with lemon slice.

and as to your inquiry about blacks and the high birth rate among single black women, I wish the hell I knew.

It disgusts me and I really hate it.

But it isn’t confined to the black race.

I had my daughter young, and learned my lesson. I never married, tho I had my opportunities.

If I could do it over again, I would have waited until marriage.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

OO,

I got rid of the first one, is that what you wanted? I was assigning all the most positive aspects of “coyness” to you.

By buff

February 12, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

Midori

Yep, not isolated to black, just more predominant

My daughter went away to college and got knocked up in her first year. She was planning an abortion, told her brother, who told me, and I talked her out of the procedure. It was a hell of a tough situation. She got madder than hell at me. I handled it POORTLY,

But, we decided on a plan, she would keep my grand child, my bride and I would help her, and she would go to college

It was a terrible time for us. I was a jerk

It was settled when she miscarried at eight weeks

But, she now has three younguns and a decent life (married too :) )

By Midori

February 12, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

I would like to compare the statistics between blacks and Hispanics birth rates to single mothers.

I moved here from El Paso, Texas.

I learned that when a young girl turns 13, they have this huge “rite of passage” party for her.

Shortly afterwards, the babies start coming.

However, I believe their attitudes about having children is rooted in their Catholic beliefs.

I should know those statistics, as I work for a health care organization.

I have to look this up.

By finch

February 12, 2006 09:29 PM | Link to this

buff,

You don’t know who Steven Tyler is??

RW, are we showing our age, or is buff?

By buff

February 12, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

Midori

I think it is higher with Blacks, but not much. Yes, Catholicism is certainly a factor, or, anyway according to a Baptist missionary neighbor

You gals need to understand something: MEN ARE PIGS

Does not mean we are not responsible for our action, but WE ARE PIGS

By finch

February 12, 2006 09:31 PM | Link to this

buff,

But seriously, it takes a real adult to admit that he was a jerk once.

I’m glad things worked out well for all of you.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 09:32 PM | Link to this

LOL

oink, oink

Well Buff, that’s one thing I’ve learned in my 50 years on this planet :)

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 09:32 PM | Link to this

DavidU:

I can tell you that my church offers our facilities for daycare services to unwed teenage mothers so that they can finish their education and the babies get early intervention. It is funded by the State through the BOE in my county.

The problem is the numbers are increasing, and our church is too small which will require them to move to a bigger facility which will probably charge (additional cost).

The numbers are going up which would indicate that what the government has been doing is not working to benefit their future. I know the education is available. I have a good relationship with the girls and talk to them when I am there, which isn’t often, but something else has to be tried. I think that we all want the best for them, but any suggestions you can offer will be heard.

By buff

February 12, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

finch

I did some research

Wow, maybe the dementia has started and I ain’t 60

I was a big Aerosmith fan too

By Midori

February 12, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

How are you doing, Finch?

I watched “To Kill a Mockingbird” last night, and thought of you :)

By buff

February 12, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

finch, thank you

My anger at my daughter was not over her sluttiness, which was a factor, but, I was a PIG myself. My bleeding heart conservative wife was much more mature and reasonable

I was upset over how a child would mess up her life, she was a stellar student and athlete, and a pregnancy changes all that

But, i handled it poorly; bad temper, just like NeoReo

I guess it is the Irish in me, or, maybe that is just a lame excuse

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this

buff - tax breaks fot the rich,� which puts more money in my pocket, which i invest, which leads to a stimulated economy, which leads to more opportunities for the “oppressed�

That is not technically correct, since Trickle Down economics rarely worked before, and much less now that we life in a Global Economy. Your ‘investments’ don’t specifically go to American citizens, they also go to that kid with the Burning Danish Flag who works an outsourced job in Pakistan.

can you tell my why 68% of black kids are born to single chicks?

I could say it has to do with economic reason, but that to me seems like a cop out. However according to the Rutgers study the percentage of black females with children out of wedlock actually declined from 2000 to 2003 (to 68%) while the percentage of white females with children out of wedlock increased from 2000 to 2003 (to 30%). They used US Census data to calculate their findings so the sample size of blacks to white is significantly smaller when compared to each other, I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual numbers not percentages are the same for black and white females with children out of wedlock. Its a problem of all of america, not just black people.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 09:41 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

I was talking about the whole, entire mess. Just eliminate me from that one altogether.

I see you are still attached to “the nipple”, I just can’t help myself!!!! Something is wrong with me.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 09:44 PM | Link to this

Midori - I learned that when a young girl turns 13, they have this huge “rite of passage� party for her.

Its at 15 years old, caled a ‘quince’ for 15.

By Midori

February 12, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

thank you very much, DavidU :)

I’m never too old to learn or be corrected :)

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 09:48 PM | Link to this

OO,

There were only two comments by you on that one, am I looking at the wrong one? I took the one off the Harry Reid/Tribe donation chart that used this sites link format.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

I remember when Newt and the guys took over congress, there was some changes in the welfare system that was suppose to limit some of the welfare to 4 years. Also, they put something in to stop the increases in welfare money for each additional child. I have been wondering if this was still in place. Anyone know?

By buff

February 12, 2006 09:53 PM | Link to this

DavidU

I am not saying white chicks cant’ be slutty too, but 68%???

That ensures their slavery to Uncle Sam and State government, which the pols love

As for tax cuts, I know we can all find studies with the findings each of us desire, but, first, it is MY money. Second, being against tax cuts has the reasoning that the government uses money more wisely than the populace, which I find preposterous.

As Milton Friedman said: Any time you can get money out of Washington D.C. and into the hands of the citizenry that is a good thing

Plus, it is common sense that Americans having more money helps the economy

What enrages me against the current administration and congress is their spending appetite

It is economically irresponsible to increase spending in this environment

But, make no mistake about this: Whether Leftist or GOP, they all want to buy votes in one way or another; is about their political power

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

Nope, that’s the one with your response to me on the link technique which I have saved in a text file for future reference.

Wipe me out! I was never there. I won’t bother you anymore after that.

By finch

February 12, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

Hello Midori!

I’d like to say that Atticus Finch was a relative, but he wasn’t!

Neither is this Finch. (Thanks, RW). Which means I could date her. If I weren’t married.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this

DavidU:

These are my thoughts for what they’re worth. I am a firm believer in the old adage “Necessity is the motherhood of invention”, but when the government steps in, it creates a vicious cycle, although with well intended efforts, they create the necessity and the cycle continues. It stifles the individuals desire to do better.

The unfortunate circumstance is that there will be a period of weaning, which should never have been necessitated by the government to begin with. I have more confidence in the individual’s desire than I do the government’s.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

“To Kill a Mockingbird” was a great movie. Funny (Scout & Boo), heartwarming (Bo Radley) and enlightening (for all of us).

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 10:17 PM | Link to this

finch,

Her husband might have a problem with that as well.

OO,

All the comments are gone and the quote is updated.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 10:17 PM | Link to this

Scout & Jim and Boo Radley.

By buff

February 12, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this

DavidU

I keep hearing people, usually organized labor types, who bemoan the “loss of manufacturing jobs” and their going to third world countries

We are at 4.7% unemployment

I recognize this causes pain for many, but, here is a good question:

If you have kids, would you rather they punch a time clock from 7-3:30 or sit behind a desk?

Service jobs do not have to be bad jobs

The key: education, planning, training, and that is the individual’s responsibility

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this

buff - Just wanted to point out that its basically the same number of females in each race that are having kids out of wedlock, but you are right that 68% of black females is just too big a percentage (even if not all of them are on Gov’t assistance) to ignore.

The Rutgers study I pointed out was the one you referenced from Fox News. When I spoke of Trickle Down economy, I didn’t need any stats because that type of economic plan is based on the assumption that it is going to be put to work in a free market -one that is free of things such as taxes, regulations, tariffs and labor laws (also unions) among other things. Which is a fiction of economist imaginations, a theory that cant be put to actual use in the real world but is need since its the base of all economic theory. That’s one of the many things Fed Chairman Greenspan was very good at, balancing out such partisan economic plans (both Dem and Rep) that are just nice to hear about but kill an economy as big as the USA’s. I understand how you feel about “your Money” but more steps need to be carried out by the gov’t (I know you don’t like to hear that) than just let you keep more money and for you to invest in America.

By finch

February 12, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

RW,

The other finch and I could double date?

nahhhhhh…

OO,

One of my favorite books and movies. Having a fictional namesake in it was an additional thrill when I was 10 or so…. and it’s still kinda neat today.

By Objective Observer

February 12, 2006 10:23 PM | Link to this

Don’t be so submissive R.W., I like you better when you are giving me a hard time. But Thanks.

Goodnite, work tomorrow.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

If you talk just in numbers I’m sure there are far more children born out of wedlock to whites than blacks. The reason this is stated in percentages is that it’s the only way to make a fair comparison. The study also doesn’t say 68% of black females are having children out of wedlock, it says 68% of black children are being born out of wedlock.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 10:31 PM | Link to this

Buff - What enrages me against the current administration and congress is their spending appetite

That’s one of the problems when you are at war, spending. Its the reason why the Deficit keeps growing and growing, nothing the President or Congress can do about it now.

Service jobs do not have to be bad jobs

Service jobs as well as manufacturing jobs are leaving too, companies will go where the supply of workers drives down the wages so that their profits increase, I don’t blame them its good business. Is it good for American Citizens? No, but that’s the gov’ts priority not a private companies.

OO - I have more confidence in the individual’s desire than I do the government’s.

Yeah, I wish that was the case too (In this I am with Rep), but out economy is too big and tied to the economies of too many other countries, for anything like that to happen. Other parts of Gov’t yes, the economy, sadly no….IMO.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 10:31 PM | Link to this

OO,

Goodnight! I’ll try to be meaner.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 10:34 PM | Link to this

buff - The study also doesn’t say 68% of black females are having children out of wedlock, it says 68% of black children are being born out of wedlock

I don’t understand the difference…sorry

And yeah I understand what you are saying about percentages, I just wanted to point out that it was a problem accross all races, but you had already said that before I posted.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 10:35 PM | Link to this

Sorry that was for RW

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 10:39 PM | Link to this

finch,

Another namesake of yours just wiped out big time. Although it really happened hours ago. I think this one is single, though.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

DavidU, the American Manufacturing Institute said this week that 25 percent of the cost of manufacturing in America was gov’t regulatons. Throwing very high liability premiums, because of no tort reform, and high labor cost, what is the fix for keeping thsese jobs in America? I would think that if I was going to make widgets, I would certainly go overseas.

By buff

February 12, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

DavidU

I have enjoyed our discussion, but am going to bed, will continue tomorrow

g’nite

Midori, hope you have someone to keep you warm :)

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

Trust me I really hate hitting you with math twisters every night.

For example one woman might have ten kids out of wedlock. I don’t know how much the percentage would change, but 68% of children surely doesn’t automatically correlate to 68% of the women having them.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

The study says: “Percentage of Live Births that Were to Unmarried Women”, just because I looked it up and now I need to do something with the info

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this

SemperFi- Thats the reason why there is no ‘free markets’ governement regulations like labor laws and premiums. Manufacturing jobs left for good, nothing that can be done about now, global economy broke down that door and there is no way to get it back. Like buff said “education, planning, training” are now the things that need to focused on, to find and be prepared for the next great job sector to carry america forward.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

I guess if they meant 68% of women the study would be titled, “Percentage of Unmarried Women Giving Birth To Live Children�

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 11:04 PM | Link to this

RW- You are right about it being children and not women, and like I said before I went to look at the numbers just to make sure it was not just a ‘black’ problem. And it isn’t. I would also point out that it did not say that all of those 68% were on gov’t assistance. But the point that was made on Fox News is correct, just that it’s also in the same real numbers white kids who are born out of wedlock.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 11:04 PM | Link to this

DavidU, I think we need to do something to keep the remaining manufacturing jobs here. We still have steel mills, Auto plants,etc. If we end up not able to make anything, we’re in big trouble when a major war breaks out. We pretty much beat the Germans by bombing their ball bearing plants.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

You had already answered, should not have gotten up to get coffee. :)

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 11:10 PM | Link to this

DavidU,

Are you sure that it’s the same number of children? That would have to mean the % in the white population is TINY and I find that very hard to believe. I’m winging this, but there almost has to be more actual children born out of wedlock in the white population.

By Daniel

February 12, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this

Many of you aren’t smart enough for good government. Iraq is now a 500 Billion dollar quagmire and counting. One thing is certain: republicans will sit this one out. Rich man’s war; poor man’s fight.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 11:16 PM | Link to this

RW - 68% black children to 30% white children are the numbers given by the study cited in the Fox News transcript (I didn’t actually see the program). I also believe that based of percentage of population there are more white children out of wedlock, but I said it’s the same number to keep it let us say ‘bipartisan’ :). But also because since its based from census data, some Hispanics and other minorities say they are white in those census forms. But at the very least the numbers for both black and white children should be close to equal.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 11:18 PM | Link to this

DavidU, I agree a companies 1st priority is to stockholders and it’s the gov’t’s job to try and supply jobs. Problem is the gov’t can’t do anything about higher union wages. They can ease some of the regulations, a lot of what I hear stems from wacko enviromentlist. They can also set some type of tort reform, which Bush has tried to do. Of the 3 things pushing Ameican jobs overseas, the gov’t can help with 2 of them.

What I have always found odd, is that the unions, wacko enviromentlist, and lawyers all heavily support the same party, which is the party that creates all 3 of these hardships for corporate America. I believe in saving the enviroment, we just need to do it intelligently. In case you didn’t know the biggest dollar contributor to Democrats is lawyers and second is the unions. I had always thought it was unions giving the most, but John Edwards and the gang beats them.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 11:24 PM | Link to this

Daniel, I thought the poor were in projects and the ones from NO was in hotels. Did FEMA move them all to IRAQ?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 11:26 PM | Link to this

I guess I will go do some blog work on this.

Thanks Al, this should be helpful:

JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia - Former Vice PresidentAl Gore told a mainly Saudi audience on Sunday that the U.S. government committed “terrible abuses” against Arabs after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that most Americans did not support such treatment.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 11:27 PM | Link to this

SemperFi - One of the main things in my opinion is to increase consumer confidence on things “made in the USA”, which is the main problem of companies like Ford. But the definition of “made in USA” is an iffy one to tackle. But none the less getting Americans to actually buy American good is a start to the problem. The other is removing some of the gov’t regulation on corporations to entice them to stay in the USA like ‘regular’ countries do to entice them to go to their countries. But its a slippery slope when you start giving corporations too much, since the only thing that governs them is the profit margin, things like Enron or WorldCom occur. Manufacturing jobs like you said are the backbone of American culture, but it’s going to be extremely hard to keep them here with globalization in place. It definitely needs to be talked about with urgency, since Manufacturing is one of the most important things that got us out of the recession of the 80’s

By Daniel

February 12, 2006 11:27 PM | Link to this

SF: You’re beating a old drum. Your hatred for lawyers and Unions reveals a sad lost life. Something’s missing, pal.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this

SemperFi - Oh yeah and torts legislation has to be implemented, frivolous lawsuits are killing health care and jobs like manufacturing.

By Daniel

February 12, 2006 11:32 PM | Link to this

DU: Fat, lazy slobs are killing health care. Weak leadership is killing America. Name one frivilous lawsuit that has hurt manufacturing jobs.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 11:36 PM | Link to this

Daniel, I did not say I hated them(well maybe lawyers), I just said I find it odd they do things that push jobs overseas.

DavidU, it is a global economy but we must help corporations to compete. The Sarbines Oaxley law is costing our companies billions, just by itself. I know, I work on this at my job. We are handicapping them. If we want them to say and pay the higher wages, which I think they can and will do, we must cut some of the other two constraints.

Americans believe that if you collect 20 billion from taxes from a company and give them back 500 million for a specific purpose, it is corporate welfare, when really they are still getting 19.5 billion from the company and something they, the govt’t, wanted, like investment in clean air or something. The class warfare has also been setup puting worker agaisnt the companies.

By Daniel

February 12, 2006 11:36 PM | Link to this

American Jobs are flooding China because greedy Republicans make more money that way. Greedy Republicans love monet more than the USA.

By finch

February 12, 2006 11:38 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

Please consider that unions aren’t soley and inherently evil. Unions wouldn’t have been created in the late 18th century if industrial trusts (steel, oil, mining, manufacturing, etc.) hadn’t been so adamant about preserving 6 day, 12 hour weeks, child labor, sub-poverty pay, and dangerous and disgusting working conditions.

Unions are a necessary evil that periodically get too powerful and arrogant. Just as corporations and governments are necessary evils that periodically get too powerful and arrogant.

And don’t even get me started on the lawyers.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 11:39 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Are you the same Daniel that is usually here during the day? If not you may get a few odd responses for reasons that you won’t understand, if you are the same one you seem more coherent at night.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 11:41 PM | Link to this

Daniel, you’re kidding right?? Dow Corning comes to mind right off. How about googling asbestos lawsuits and see how many companies went under. You work for the union, don’t you?

By Daniel

February 12, 2006 11:44 PM | Link to this

You’re living in a fog. Name one lawyer who has pushed one job overseas. We’re all small fry here. Bush borrows 2 Billion daily from China. Bush brings deficits, debts, BS, deceit, borrow and spend. We’re like fat slobs in a whorehouse with our kids credit-card. We need leadership. We’ve got a p**-ant coward when we need someone with courage.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 11:44 PM | Link to this

Collective bargining in 1939, I believe, was one of the best things that happened for the American worker. But things have gotten too out of hand. I would always want the unions around but with sensible leadership.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 11:45 PM | Link to this

Daniel - One exmaple from the news (I’m not a lawyer or a fan of law) is The asbestos litigation which some expert are saying will cost over 200billion. This was already litigated in the 70’s…why again now? How can it be that much when the majority of the victims already were compensated in the 70’s and 80’s. And the problem for me is that torts litigations have huge costs that ultimately leave the plaintive whose the one with the problem with little in means of compensation(a bad by product of class action suits, which have other pros but this huge con)

By Daniel

February 12, 2006 11:47 PM | Link to this

RW: It’s me. I’ve been out of town on business.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 11:48 PM | Link to this

SemperFi - Sarbanes Oxley may be killing them, but that one just like child labor laws for example, companies brought on themselves by trying to skim from the top every other day basically. So I have no pitty for that law on them.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

If I would have waited, the 11:44 would have identified you.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 11:52 PM | Link to this

DavidU, SOX is a terrible idea. It’s like killing a nat with a sledge hammer. The SEC just needs to tighten some things up. Bush and his DOJ has been putting the 1990’s crooks in jail and still working on them. SOX is not ready making shareholder more secure, it just costing thousands of hours in each company to do all kinds of stupid reporting. Actually there is talk of repealing it or at least watering it down.

By DavidU

February 12, 2006 11:53 PM | Link to this

Actually I should have just said the one that p** me off the most, Fat people suing McDonalds, I love me a Big Mac Its not a thursday if I don’t eat one, and those people are out of their minds if they don’t know McDonalds makes them fat.

By Semper Fi

February 12, 2006 11:55 PM | Link to this

Well Techwood homes just called to tell me to go to bed so I can go to work tomorrow and pay some folks rent. Goodnight all.

By finch

February 12, 2006 11:56 PM | Link to this

DavidU has a good point about Sarbanes Oxley. It wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for amazing corporate greed and dishonesty (Enron, HealthSouth, WorldCom). Kinda like unions wouldn’t exist either.

By Daniel

February 13, 2006 12:01 AM | Link to this

Unions represent onlya small % of workers. No, I am not in a Union. I’m just an old goat who loves his country. And wants good honest government. I don’t like phonies.

By DavidU

February 13, 2006 12:02 AM | Link to this

Checks and Balances….checks and balances. I hate accounting with a passion so I’ll take what you said SemperFi and just add that maybe it was the first step a first reaction to the fallout and if it needs to be tweaked then it should, but not relaxed, Enron, Tyco and the like caused too much damage to the economy for corporations to be trusted without strict oversight.

By DavidU

February 13, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this

Well I’m off. Good night! Thanks for the healthy discussion.

By Jean

February 13, 2006 01:24 AM | Link to this

Cheney, The Prince of Darkness, will never be forgotten. Now.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 04:42 AM | Link to this

Algore said Arabs had been “indiscriminately rounded up” and held in “unforgivable” conditions.

“Indiscriminately round up” on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq? Does this guy not have a trainer? Who tells him these kook crackpot pinko ideas? Is he trying to inflame the Saudis into some good old fashion American hatred?

These are the people that want to be “in charge” of national security.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 05:20 AM | Link to this

Ah, the good old days:

In any case, the idea that rebuilding is impossible without the guiding hand of a federal planning czar is historically inaccurate. After the great Chicago fire and the San Francisco earthquake, these cities were at least as desperate as New Orleans is today. But both were well on their way to restored glory within three to five years with little federal money and no central planning agency. We’d rather trust private homeowners and developers to make rational decisions about where re-investment in New Orleans should occur and—just as important in areas highly susceptible to future flooding—where it shouldn’t.

Maybe those people weren’t clowns like we seem to be brimming with today.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 06:10 AM | Link to this

I was just looking at the Abramoff/ Bush photo in today’s litter box liner and I was wondering why don’t you pinkos zoom out a little more, like a satellite photo of planet Earth and then you get Bush for all kinds of crimes.

This is funny, it looks like the “figure” on the “grassy knoll” pictures of Kennedy’s assassination, they have to circle the blur and insert arrows to show where he’s at.

Everything the liberals do is lame. This is how you prove implication by association.

By candide

February 13, 2006 06:59 AM | Link to this

Did Cheney the guy in the orange hunting vest was Scooter Libby? What a way to solve all his current problems.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 07:55 AM | Link to this

DavidU - On the subject of out-of-wedlock births, U asked, “any suggestions you can offer will be heard.”. UH- I know I’m really going out on a limb here, but this suggestion does occur to me: Birth control??

It might also help if Hollywood didn’t glamorize single motherhood. Didn’t Dan Quale bring this up to much derision from the hilarious Left, like decades ago? Ok, he got stumped with “potato” - too bad that they didn’t have spell check in those days and we might have fewer parentless children having children. Might have put the Rainbow coalition out of business though. A difficult quandary, I agree.

Moreover, the deficit hawks would have less to squawk about as we wouldn’t have squandered so much money on the “war on poverty” - arguably a worse “quagmire” than Iraq - and that poverty war was largely preventable. Bumper sticker of the day: Condoms for Peace.

By Sherlock Holmes

February 13, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Andy you are a piece of work. You now have to create the Buy Danish handle as reinforcement. Is that kind of like having a pet rock?

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Sherlock - Don’t give up your day job.

Candide: This is for you and it’s not out of “The Onion”. Italian Court Told To Prove Jesus Existed

Update: Case dismissed

By candide

February 13, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Yes, I know about that Italian fool who tried to get a court to declare Jesus fictitious. Of course there was a Jesus, but he wasn’t anything like what Paul invented.

By Drivebyshooter

February 13, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Yeah you little queer. Of course those of your stripe prefer wars where there are body bags and toe tags. The war on poverty doesn’t allow you to pop off from the safety of your bedrooms while others with more balls than you do the dieing. Of course you don’t have to worry about being stuffed in a body bag either. either. All you wannabe warriors with delusions of couch potato combat. Keep on fighting your blog war on terror sissy boy. Maybe Bush and Cheney will make you chicken hawk of the year.

But rest assured rainbow boy, all of the terrorists you are so afraid of are aware of this valient war you are fighting against them from the safety of your momma’s house. They know your darkest secret and fear. They will get you where the sun don’t shine. But you might like that, huh girly boy.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Drivebyshooter - I’m not Andy, I promise you. Not even related.

One thing I love about “progressives”. In addition to being humorless s.o.b.s, they never actually make any “progress”: If not for us nipping at their heels we could have 100% out-of-wedlock birth rates for everybody!

Speaking of “chickenhawks” - you need to get your own recruits for “The War on Poverty”. We give out tax dollars so you can fight.

By finch

February 13, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

Danish, birth control is a really cool idea! Please pass it on to the Republicraps who have a hissyfit if their “abstinence only” family planning classes are dirtied with even the mention of contraceptives.

“(After the) Chicago fire and the San Francisco earthquake, these cities were at least as desperate as New Orleans is today.”

This is called reaching a ridiculous conclusion from a preposterous premise. San Francisco and Chicago at the time both had populations well under 100,000. The pre-Katrina population of New Orleans was near 600,000.

There are far better arguments for limiting federal aid to New Orleans than this turkey.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

You progressives can rejoice - I’m off to a day of torture worse than a fortnight at Abu Ghraib: the dentist.

Something to ponder in my absence: I am puzzled by all this left wing homophobia. And isn’t “sissy boy” hate speech according to your rules?

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

finch - Condoms are not a very effective method of birth control. There was no decline in pregnancies where they have been handed out like lollipops.

By finch

February 13, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

EXECUTIVE POWER ON STEROIDS

“Yet the key legal struggles over domestic spying go not to its wisdom, but to the thorny issue of whether the president has exceeded his constitutional powers in disregarding FISA. He has.”

Don’t you just love the Wall Street Journal?

By finch

February 13, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

I never said anything about condoms. But they’re better than nothing.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Drivebyshooter: Your logic is as weak as your mind is. Did you ever consider that to protect innocent women and children, it takes more than just soldiers on the ground? People have to transport soldiers, purchase materials for soldiers, direct soldiers actions, coordinate between nations to facilitate their actions. People have to pay taxes, have to come together and form a nation before soldiers can do the job they volunteered for.

It’s sissies like you that get innocent women and children “toe tagged” with your pinko weakness.

Coward liberals like you and Al Gore apologize for things that we have not done wrong, making us appear weak and self loathing. These terrorists are just taking advantage of the weakness that you liberals can’t seem to keep to yourselves.

You would rather see innocent women jump out of burning office buildings than show any strength, to stand up to these killers like a man would.

By buff

February 13, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

finch

From your post last evening, late

Can you differentiate between corporate “greed” and “profit”

And, what is a “windfall profit”

I keep hearing these terms

By finch

February 13, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Buff,

Windfall progit is a term I avoid. Too much baggage.

Corporate greed doesn’t necessarily include big oil. Not even today. It does include WorldCom, Enron, HealthSouth and other corporations where executives pillage and loot and leave workers, stockholders and pensioners with zero.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Corporate greed can be defined as McDonalds making 24% on the dollar like they do. Compare this to “big oil” who’s “profits” usually run about 6% or so. Even Microsoft is making 15% but the libs in government sued them for being a “monopoly” so they jacked up prices to cover that nonsense.

Every government action has an equal opposite reaction on your wallet, so by all means let’s sue “big oil.” Give them a real reason to raise prices.

By finch

February 13, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Well, well, well!

Look who also spoke at the Saudi Arabia forum where Gore appeared:

“Also at the forum, the vice chairman of Chevron Corp., Peter Robertson, said President Bush’s desire to cut U.S. dependence on Mideast oil shows a “misunderstanding” of global energy supply and the critical role of Saudi Arabia.

“This notion of being energy independent is completely unreasonable,” Robertson said at the economic forum…

It appears idiots come in pairs. Wonder how much they both were paid?

By buff

February 13, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Finch

I think those examples you listed are not greed, but “illegal activity”

Greed is not illegal, cooking the books for gain is, however

By buff

February 13, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Plans I WILL NOT be making:

Quail hunting with Dick Cheney

By finch

February 13, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Government action certainly does have an effect on wallets!

Thanks to the SEC, the Fed, bank regulators, OSHA, the FDA, etc. etc., citizens have at least some protection against corporate sanctioned pimps and rapists who would sell their mothers for a profit.

The only thing worse than governments and unions running amok are amoral greedy capitalists running amok.

By WildBill

February 13, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Now it is confirmed. This administration really is the gang that couldn’t shoot straight.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Quick “greedy capitalists” lesson for everybody:

Regardless of what you have heard or been told, government regulations have caused prices to rise more than any greedy capitalists could ever dream of. The free market has a way of regulating itself that the government doesn’t have. If somebody starts charging too much for their goods or services another person can offer the same thing for a lower price, therefore taking that business. Consumers will always pay less when possible.

Government will always cost more, when have they ever gotten smaller?

By finch

February 13, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

buff,

The examples I cited were of greedy people heading corporations who were (allegedly) breaking the law and got caught. Their own greed sunk them. Their smarter cousins sneak by.

Clever corporate thieves are kind of like hackers. Efforts to restrain or neutralize them are always a few steps behind.

Fortunately, entrepreneurs with ethics still outnumber unprincipled cheats.

By finch

February 13, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Quick “greedy capitalist” lesson for everybody.

The ideal image of a free market where multiple suppliers of goods and services fairly compete, allowing consumers to choose what they believe are the best products for the best price is a fairy tale.

There’s a reason the government regulates mines, stock markets, banks, refineries, factories, medical services and so on.

Free market anarchy always results in monopolies, oligopolies, trusts, cartels, price fixing schemes and other market strangling business tools that enrich a handful at the expense of everyone else.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Walmart is a monopoly because they offer goods at the lowest price and operate on a margin of 6%, not because of government regulation. And nobody is forcing employees to work there which seems to be a popular myth around here.

By The Grinch

February 13, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Unions are for people who cannot hold a job on their own merit…Unions protect the lazy.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Grinch - You assume that unions only represent workiers when it comes to wages and job security.

By The Grinch

February 13, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

VOR, I don’t assume nothing. I have been a union member and seen it first hand.

By RE

February 13, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Hey, anyone remember the punishment for disclosing state secrets in a time of war?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060212/apongoco/cialeak

By buff

February 13, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Oh, the jokes are coming out on the radio

“Dick Cheney, what a shot, bagged a quail and a lawyer with one shot”

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

So do you think without unions, workers would have adequate health care, retirement benefits, and most importantly a safe working environment?

By RE

February 13, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Jesus was a carpenter, do you figure if he was back today he would be in a union, or would he be a scab?

Actually, there are several carpenters named jesus working on the new development accross the street

By The Grinch

February 13, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Yes VOR. Not having adequate health care, retirement benefits, and most importantly a safe working environment is classic Union brainwashing Kool-Aid.

By buff

February 13, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

RE

You provide an argument that is the “either-or” fallacy

You can be a carpenter and neither be a scab or in a union

I worked construction years ago and was in a union for awhile (hated it) and then worked independently

What is outrageous is that many, if not all, government contracts, have to pay union wages

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Grinch - Call it what you will. I’m not brainwashed by anyone, I’ve never been in a union… well I guess I have one now, but it’s nothing like UAW.

But I have seen what some companies without unions have done. A company at the airport in Detroit (unionized) folded under new management and fired everyone. Got rid of the union and hired some employees back at half the wages and benefits.

Also, one of the Ford plants, in Detroit again, tried to ban smoking in the plant for health and air quality reasons. UAW was going to pay for air quality study, Ford said nevermind.

Seems to me that unions provide a little checks and balance. Otherwise, workers would get sh-it on.

By The Grinch

February 13, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

A union strike is legal extortion.

By Shawn Maloney

February 13, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it a shame that a cartoonist voices more comcern for dead Georgia soldiers than does our supposed local representation? Whether or not the White House manipulated the intel is not just a democrat issue. In light of the recent disclosures on the subject, our senators and governor ought to be demanding answers. Obviously, they could care less.

By Shawn Maloney

February 13, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it a shame that a cartoonist voices more concern for dead Georgia soldiers than does our supposed local representation? Whether or not the White House manipulated the intel is not just a democrat issue. In light of the recent disclosures on the subject, our senators and governor ought to be demanding answers. Obviously, they could care less.

By RE

February 13, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

aren’t unions part of the free market for the labor side?

And I could picture Jesus more as a labor orginizer and protector than as a manager or someone who did not care about those he worked with. He was a pretty blue collar kinda guy

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

finch - You blame republicrats for the dearth of birth control. The condoms referred to another failed progressive idea to hand them out at government schools, which gives tacit approval to risky behavior and unintentionally creates a demand for even more condoms which, woops, aren’t very reliable.

VOR - Without unions some of these companies might not be bankrupt and “the workers” might actually have a job to go to. Without unions they would all actually have to work to collect a paycheck, which is a slight inconvenience to some union “workers” who often get paid handsomely to do absolutely nothing.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - So CEOs are part of the union then. Because they damn sure get paid handsomely to do absolutely nothing. I’m not a rigid supporter of unions, but I see why they are needed. Without unions, a lot of these people will fit into the working poor category, and will end up without retirement benefits.

I thinks unions and our government are kind of similar. They are both jacked up, but getting rid of them is not the answer. REFORM them, make them serve their purpose. Both have a purpose no matter how misguided they become.

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Some random thoughts, although I think the same person inspired them all.

Shouldn’t an established city of 600,000 have more resources to rebuild than a fledgling city with a population of 100,000?

Isn’t there a bit of a difference between an oil man making a pandering statement to a group of oil producers and an ex Vice President telling an Arab audience that the United States likes to run around torturing Arabs for no reason?

and this one I read somewhere, my apologies to whomever wrote it:

The people that complain of losing all their retirement funds because of the business practices of Enron, would never have had that money in their retirement account if not for the business practices of Enron.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Also Buy Danish - Some of these companies that are bankrupt or on the verge are there because of their own poor business practices, not the unions.

By buff

February 13, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

VOR

People should make decisions to see to their own needs. Unions and government are anathema to success

Say, did y’all hear that 40%, yes 40%, of the disaster claims after the hurricanes were bogus

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Thanks RW. Maybe Al Gore hopes to take over the House of Saud? He could be “The First Arab President”. Looney tunes has had crazier ideas than that, so it is a possibility.

VOR - Can we “reform” social security?

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

buff,

The same screaming liberals that demanded that all these claims be paid immediately will be waving their pom-poms and pointing at President Bush as soon as 60Minutes does an expose on the money the Government wasted on bogus claims.

By buff

February 13, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Rw

Diad on, watch the leftists attack bush for waste

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

VOR - Aren’t most of them are in trouble because of “defined benefit contracts” that the unions demanded? I’m not including the ponzi scheme corporations - just the ones like GM who can’t compete with Toyota.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Buff - You are absolutely right. But without fair wages it’s hard to save. Additionally, most employees pay into a retirement fund with expectations upon retirement. If you had a savings account with $50,000 in, and the bank told you that you could only withdraw $20,000 wouldn’t you be p** if somebody told you to plan for it?

Buy Danish - We could reform social security, but I venture to say most people don’t trust the govt. enough to do so. I wouldn’t write off the airliners trouble to defined benefit contracts. The majority of the problems lie in the hands of poor executive decisions along the way. GM relied to heavily on their truck market and they paid the price down the road, just like Ford may be soon. I don’t compare GM to Toyota, but if we play that game, why is Air Tran doing so well why big Delta is in trouble.

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

George Stephanopolis to Lynn Swann: You first registered to vote as a Democrat, what tipped you to the Republican Party?

Lynn Swann: Growing up.

By rct

February 13, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Ok. Time for a cartoon showing Lisa Clark being burned at the stake. What if the she had been a he and a 37 year old male was marrying a minor. There would be a sigh of relief by the rigtheous right that the little lady has got a man. The major component absent here is common sense and compassion.

By buff

February 13, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

On Social Security

I predict that people like me will get screwed. I have paid into this horrible program for nearly 40 years. I also have worked hard, took some chances, made money and now live comfortably.

What the government will do when this idiotic program is in dire financial straits will tell me and others like me that “You don’t NEED Social Security”

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

VOR says, “We could reform social security, but I venture to say most people don’t trust the govt. enough to do so.”

That’s funny - I think we haven’t been able to reform it because people trust the government too much! Especially with the AARP peddling the dinosaur.

By Lee

February 13, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

IDEA: The three stooges are out hunting. Curly has the shotgun and a few feet away are Moe and Larry. Larry is binding over tying his shoe while Moe is crouched behind him holding a rubber chicken on a pole. Moe yells, “bird” and Curly whirls around to shoot Larry in the butt.

You can make it funnier and I freely give this idea to you for your own use. Keep up the great work!

By RE

February 13, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

18-24 hours passed before any word of the Cheney hunting accident got out.

Anyone wonder if a blood alcohol test was performed, or do you think they would wait 18 hours for that as well.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - We haven’t been able to reform it because the government hasn’t come up with a way to do it effectively. And I was depending on it, the last thing I want this administration to do is mess with my money! That’s what I meant. Here’s an idea, let Jack Abramoff, Frist and Enron tackle it.

By regulator

February 13, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Andy, Gas is too high, I think I’ll start me an oil company, I need heart surgery, the surgeon costs too much, I’ll go get me a Medical degree, My electricity is too high, I’ll start me power company, come on you idiot think before you say asinine things.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

VOR - if you don’t let somebody mess with it real quick, there isn’t going to be any money for any of us, and I’m going to hold you personally responsible!

By buff

February 13, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

It is hilarious watching the mainstream make further a*******es of themselves over this hunting accident

BTW anyone who knows anything about group hunting knows that when you announce when you leave the group and announce when you return

I do not like Cheney, but, from the scant news I have heard the victim is as liable as DC

Finally, who gives a damn?

By WJC

February 13, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

The people that complain of losing all their retirement funds because of the business practices of Enron, would never have had that money in their retirement account if not for the business practices of Enron.

RW that’s some of the best fuzzy logic I’ve ever seen. But maybe you should have said it this way. If it hadn’t of been for the dishonest, unethical business practices of Enron, these employees wouldn’t have had any money for Enron to steal. You definately put a unique spin on it there RW.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

What the government will do when this idiotic program is in dire financial straits will tell me and others like me that “You don’t NEED Social Security�

Don’t worry about it Buff, don’t professors at state schools get great retirement benefits?

By SAYWHAT?

February 13, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

You missed your calling RW. Based on the comment above you should be a grief counselor. I bet those ripped off pensioners would sure feel better about losing it all after talking to you.

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

WJC,

I noted in that post that it wasn’t my spin on it, however much I would like to take credit for it.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

lol @ Buy Danish. I buy into the buff retirement program. I put a portion of my meager earnings aside. I’m doing pretty good, so if they mess it up either way, I’m good. There might be a little left for you Buy Danish - but no promises.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

I may just follow our govt and take out one of those Chinese loans.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Better yet, I’ll just run for Senate.

By The Grinch

February 13, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

VOR.. are you forgetting that if a person does not like how a company they work for is treating them they can leave???? Why do you advocate the workers banding together and extorting higher wages or benefits from them? If you don’t like it….LEAVE has been my motto.

By WJC

February 13, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Kenny boy and the Enron crew are going to be the life of the party down at the penitentiary. There are some .15 cents an hour fellas waiting to give them their bonus.

By buff

February 13, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

J and Proud

Yes, GREAT benefits, part of my salary package. But, it is still MY MONEY that the imperial federal government TAKES from me

Even if I do get to draw Socialist (and that is what it is) Security it is a horrible investment plan, a true ponzi scheme

Consider this, if a private entity tried to begin a program mirroring Socialist Security those involved would be indicted

By RE

February 13, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Can some one please explain to me how workers coming together to ask for wages is not part of a free market economy. If a company does not want to pay the workers what they ask for, than they can fire them.

By DeadeyeDick

February 13, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Maybe it’s a good thing that Cheney got those 5 deferments from the military. With him around friendly fire casualties would have been outrageous.

By Midori

February 13, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Buff,

in reference to our conversation last night.

I just talked with a friend who works at CDC, in their Divison of Reproductive Health.

She tells me that not only are Hispanic single mother births higher than blacks, but Hispanics are also the fastest growing majority in the U.S.

They will be the number one minority here in Georgia by the year 2010.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Grinch - You’re right! I forgot the economy was so great. Leaving my decent salary and benefits to work at McDonalds is a great idea. That’s much easier than demanding a safe workplace, fair wages and retirement benefits.

Striking workers prove one thing — the company is useless without them.. Ask Delta.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

regulator: I know you are probably too incompetent to start your own company but there are people out there with motivation and wherewithal to take hold of an opportunity like that when it presents itself. With lazy free loading whiny little pinkos like you out there it keeps the competition level relatively low.

By DeadeyeDick

February 13, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Don’t make too many reasonable request VOR. You’ll wind up getting outsourced.

By WJC

February 13, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Uh…Andy. Are you forgetting that you ARE one of the lazy, freeloading, whiny little pinkos. (well, pink something or other) Doesn’t the state expect you to be looking for a job while you’re on their dime?

By The Grinch

February 13, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

VOR you sure do have a self esteem problem there. Is McDonald’s the only job you are qualified for besides your union job? So you feel that once you have the job you are entitled to it for the rest of your life and should be able to extort money from them because YOU feel that don’t pay you enough? Why must you demand anything from a company. If you donjt like it LEAVE and find a company that will treat you right…but wait, no company treats their employees right unless the have a union…

By DeadeyeDick

February 13, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

I bet HUD is subsidizing his blogging addiction too.

By RE

February 13, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Please stop bashing socialist ideas. I know many here would not like it, but there are several socialist programs I for one would not want to live without; State and local police, local fire department, entire US military, CDC, Post office, FDA, USDA, EPA. All of the above are state sponsered agencies that could be run privately, but I am glad they are not. Not all socialist ideas are bad

By Andy's Mom

February 13, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Don’t you be lyin on my boy Andy. He don’t work but he don’t get HUD! He lives with me. I change his diapers and everything.

By The Grinch

February 13, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

VOR answer this truthfully……

lets put the union thing closer to home for you. Let’s say you are the sole owner of a company making widgets. You mortageded your house, cashed in your 401k to start this business. You pay your workers a good salary and benefits. They are happy and working with no problems at all. Soon the widgets start selling through the roof and your company starts making very good money. You would like to expand or get new equipment but the workers start thinking they should be getting some of your profits even though they make good money. They contact a union to try to unionize the place. All the workers agree and form a union. They demand double wages and benefits. They say you are making a killing and you can afford it. They strike and put your company out of business

What would be your reaction? Remember you made the sacrifice and had the vision for the company…

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

VOR - This Enron/Abramoff thing is getting a bit old. Granted Abramoff hasn’t really taken off yet, but I don’t think it ever will because its a guaranteed snooze fest. Neil Entwistle? Jack Abramoff? Who gets the tube time?

BTW, Didn’t most of the Enron employees who “lost their retirement savings” lose it because they voluntarily invested their 401Ks in Enron stock? Did Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skillings put a gun to their heads and force them to invest in Enron? So while the company was one big ponzi scheme, the employees do share some personal responsibility for not diversifying their investments.

But yeah, the Senate has a great retirement plan. No wonder they don’t give a rats tail if we peasants lose our social security. And the longer they do nothing, the easier it is to be re-elected and really collect the big dough when they get their golden parachutes thanks to our involuntary generosity.

By Dusty

February 13, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Buff,

I was sitting here “sizzling” when I read your 1:39 post about Chaney. As to who gives a damn, well the AJC of course. They have already started a blog on Talk of the Town Section. Put a little cover up line about what Letterman would say about the accident. I assume Luckovich will have some artistic propaganda to add. Why not big headlines? Anything to get a few whacks at Republicans.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Grinch, Grinch, Grinch - My self esteem is just fine. I served 11 years in the military and transferred that time and experience into the federal government. I make a very good living and would qualify for any job I chose to do.

I don’t feel entitled to anything, but if my wages aren’t commensurate with my performance then yes I have reason to speak up. If they feel my time and talent is worth it, they’ll pay me, if they don’t I have choices to make. I demand from my company, just like my company demands from me. Just because you choose to be a insignificant pawn, doesn’t mean that everyone else should too.

How do you feel about the officials who give themselves raises because some other city officials make a different amount?

You say I have a self esteem problem, but I think yours may be ambition.

By WJC

February 13, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

No Buy-Danish, Kenny and Skilling didn’t put a gun to their heads. They just stole their pensions. A crook is a crook is a crook.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Grinch - If I were in that situation, I would hardly agree to double a salary. But I do understand the importance of strong workforce, so I would bargain with them and try to make sure that as the company succeeds so do the ones who make it grow. But that’s just me, I’m not a greedy person; and I appreciate the people that work with and for me.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - Those were just attempts at sarcasm, albeit bad ones. But I think we agree. ESPECIALLY on the Senate retirement plan.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

RE - You are really confused about what “Socialism” is, but I don’t have the energy to explain the difference between funding our military and wealth redistribution.

By The Grinch

February 13, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

VOR, you work for the government? Sorry, that explains a lot.

Ambition is my problem? This coming from a gov. union worker? See above….

By RE

February 13, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Buy danish,

A federally funded standing military is a socialist idea. There is no way around that. In a true free market we can contract out mercenaries. This would be a terrible idea. Sometimes socialist ideas work

By Andy

February 13, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

WJC: I know the world probably seems huge, complicated and scary to you, but to me it is relatively simple and easy to navigate. I’m sure you have great difficultly with the more elementary functions like, for instance, logging onto Windows, while I can not only master several different tasks on my computer at once, I can also run a highly successful business at the same time.

By Inquiringmind

February 13, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

Alot of people on this blog do a lot of woofing about work and being productive, but what percentage of you are blogging on your boss’s time in effect stealing HIS money. Let me guess. All of you own the company, are independently wealthy, or retired. How foolish of me to think that some of you are stealing from the boss.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Grinch - You are funny! Well laughable anyway.

By Voice of Reason

February 13, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Inquiringmind - I guess that makes you part of the %4.7.

By WJC

February 13, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

Little Andy. Your room is your world. It should be easy to navigate.

By inquiringmind

February 13, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Nope. Just taking one of my personal days. You know, one of those benefits that some find so unreasonable.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Look at these libs, they are like little old ladies, nagging and whining about everything, but when you call them on it, it’s no big deal, they just drop an excuse and get right back to pointing their fingers at everyone else.

Hypocrisy:hy·poc·ri·sy- n.- The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

By Andy's Mom

February 13, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Andy! What have I told you about lyin son? Online porno ain’t work. Can somebody please help me with this boy.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s likely Republican Senate race challenger charged Monday that the New York Democrat’s criticism of the Bush administration “aids and abets our enemies” in the battle against terrorism.

Yes! Donate here.

By buff

February 13, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

RE

The military and Post Office are Constitutional entities. Police and fire are safety issues, so, OK with me

When I talk about “socialist programs,” I am referring to Socialist Security, Medicaid, welfare, etc

As for privatization, I would be for any with such things as the USPS, even if it Constitutional. I think a private company would do it better and cheaper

It will be interesting to see how Sandy Springs, a newly formed free standing city near Atlanta, gets along as it is privatizing EVERYTHING except police and fire

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

RE - Just because many of us want limits to government does not mean that we want to do away with it altogether. Your logic seems to imply that any government at all equals a “socialist idea”.

By Rapido

February 13, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

McCAIN IN 08!

By buff

February 13, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Dusty, it is pathetic

I wish Bushy would get rid of Scott McClellan. He is just a punching bag for those idiotic news media people

At least Ari Fleischer refused to let them pound him

One moron wanted to know if it was against the law

Another asked if Cheney was going to resign

And for those of you who may not know: These accidents are not rare in quail or dove hunting. I have been sprinkled with bird shot twice

By finch

February 13, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

RW,

You’re right that an oil man made a “pandering statement to a group of (Saudi) oil producers”. Chevron Corp. chairman Peter Robertson,is a somebody who weilds tremendous economic and political clout, and he has the arrogance to say President Bush is wrong to push for oil independence.

Al Gore is a former politician who runs a cable channel with no audience. He’s a nobody.

Both are panderers who told their audiences just what they wanted to hear.

I would really like to know how much they were paid.

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

finch,

You don’t watch Current? I thought everybody did.

By Dusty

February 13, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

buff,

I put a comment on the Talk of the Town blog. Just mentioned something along the lines that AJC was giving liberal Democrats an opportunity to criticize Chaney. No ugly words. They did NOT post it.

Then I put another one about freedom of speech. Last time I looked that one hadn’t come out either. Oh,well. Nothing new discovered here about censorship.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

That sounds kind of erotic buff. I’m interested in knowing more.

By buff

February 13, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

Andy,

um, erotic, no, scary as hell

But, that was pretty funny

By Andy

February 13, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

buff PLEASE tell me about getting sprinkled!

By Dusty

February 13, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Erotic? Did buff go to ICU? Oh well, what do I know—about birdshot, that is.??

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I wouldn’t waste any of your good thoughts on Cheney at the other blog. I would be shocked, shocked if the scribbler doesn’t give us a forum for that tomorrow.

By RE

February 13, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Danish,

I am tired of hearing about how everything in life would be better in a free market system. Anything contrary to a free market system is labeled as a socialist idea. I am trying to point out that there are many “socialist” checks on the free market that I would not want to be without. Next time you think of critizising an idea you think is socialist, just remember all the other agencies that could be privitized but are not. Would you rather have Dupont tell you what level of PCB in your water is safe, or would you like the EPA to check them. What if Cargill wanted to put out beef that has the “possibility” of being tainted with mad cow, well I am glad there is a USDA. Industry and free market does nothing to regulate themselves, that is not their goal, the goal is to make profit. That is all their goal should be, it is the govt. responsibility to make the rules and make sure everyone plays by them, as socialist as that sounds.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

I want to get sprinkled too.

By Dusty

February 13, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

RW,

Surely Luckovich wouldn’t miss a golden opportunity like this. Liberals really don’t have much to be happy about these days. You got any idea of how ml will try to make Chaney look like some kind of Dumbo and involve Bush in it also?

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

To the Real Andy that seems to have last checked in at 3:11,

John Spencer’s speech has really gotten some wide spread attention. I love this part:

“I wish we had it before 9-11,” said the former mayor of Yonkers. “And, I wish we had an administration in Washington that wasn’t an appeasing, liberal, whining administration in the 90’s that allowed the terrorists to build up the way they built up.” There was no immediate comment from the former first lady.

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Cox&Forkum has a few tips for ml.

By buff

February 13, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Andy

Let’s be clear about getting “sprinkled,” I AM NOT talking about a golden shower

The first time was in Missouri in a pretty brushy area

We each had staked out an area to hunt, there were four of us

We were not using dogs, but quail were abundant

Unknown to me a buddy had strayed into my area flushed a covey and shot three times and a got a few shot in my chest. Light stings, hardly no blood, but John Kerry would have gotten a purple heart

It was at a far distance; glad he wasn’t closer. He was mortified

The second time was in Nebraska pheasant hunting. My youngest son had brought along an idiot, and I mean idiot, friend who dusted two of us. I took his gun away

That time was really scary

By Dusty

February 13, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Come to my church. We sprinkle.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

Although the waters have receded from New Orleans, it’s still a huge, huge problem and will be for months to come. You see the fresh water is contaminated with oil and gas. Actually, from Dick Cheney’s perspective, the oil and gas is contaminated with fresh water.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

The Bush campaign unveiled its new slogan. The new slogan is ‘We’ve Turned A Corner And We’re Not Turning Back.’ This replaces their old slogan ‘Do What Dick Cheney Says And Nobody Gets Hurt

By Andy

February 13, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

blogger: What is your major malfunction? Is it impossible for you to stay off my leg? I thought you had a mexican “wife,” did you make her up for our benefit? If not, does she know you are in love with and can not get enough of me? Or is she a freak like you?

RW: The man is going to get all my money, at least what is allowed under the current campaign finance laws. He is a breath of fresh air.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Cheney’s temper got the best of him last week when he told Vermont Senator Pat Leahy to ‘go F yourself’ on the Senate floor. Wow that’s so out of character. He seems like such a peach. … Afterwards President Bush would not comment on Cheney’s outburst adding, ‘You think I want that psycho coming after me.’ … Dick Cheney does have a history of swearing, but usually he’s clutching his chest and falling down.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

As Cheney told CNN, he has been 100 percent heart attack free since ascending to the vice presidency. He added, ‘In fact, rather than giving me stress, being vice president has actually fueled my blackened soul, allowing me to gorge vampire-like on the bloody nectar of unlimited power.’ I’m sorry that should have read ‘I never felt better.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

RE - I haven’t hear a clarion call from conservatives to get rid of the FDA or EPA. I think these agencies that you cite are safe, even in a land of free-marketeers.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Vice President Cheney continues his whirlwind 11-nation middle eastern tour designed to bring America’s anti-terror message to the region. That message: Help us fight terror or …Is that oil?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Vice President Dick Cheney is currently out in South Dakota on a three-day hunting trip. What better place for a man who has had four heart attacks than to be carrying a big gun and a backpack through the snow looking for red meat.

By JimG

February 13, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

andy, You live in NY?

By Andy's Mom

February 13, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Andy please stop embarrassing me before I have to tell some stories on you.

By Midori

February 13, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Jewish and Proud of it: You’re killing me!!!

:)

By Midori

February 13, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Personally, I can’t WAIT until Letterman and Leno tonight, and more stuff like this

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

President Bush had this to say about Dick Cheney’s shooting over the weekend and the message it sends to terrorists everywhere:

If Dick Cheney is willing to shoot an innocent American citizen at point-blank range, imagine what he’ll do to you!

By DeadeyeDick

February 13, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Jewish and Proud of It, the draft dodging deferment collector probably has some poor little GI with orders to Iraq valeting for him. Of course Iraq may be the least of his worries. Friendly fire might get him first.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 13, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Dick Cheney may have been off his meds when he shot Whittington this weekend. He thought, in fact, that he was shooting aide L. “Scooter” Libby.

An EMT who attended to “Mr. Whittington” told the Huffington Post that, during the ambulance ride, he overheard Cheney mumbling, “Who’s leaking now, fker?” and, “Fker survived. Gotta work on my aim.”

By WildBill

February 13, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Shi%! He ain’t walkin. He rides out to the place where they got the animal tied to the tree.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

Jewish…Thanks for reminding me of the incident when Cheney told the effing phony Leahy to go eff himself, in such a graceful manner. I thought that was hilarious and made me love my VP all the more.

By DeadeyeDick

February 13, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Too bad the animals can’t shoot back. Of course if they could you can bet chickenshi#…I mean chickenhawk, Cheney wouldn’t be out there. Deferment Dick has this thing about getting shot at. That activity is for someone else.

By buff

February 13, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Midori

Oh, yeah, Leno will have a field day. How long before SNL has s skit?

By Andy

February 13, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

JimG: I sure don’t just like Hillary doesn’t.

For those of you unfamiliar with my childish pest blogger, allow me to introduce the little f-ag. It is not just a case of misplaced moonie eyed love this dude has for me, no, it’s a full blown obsession, just ask any of the regulars in here. It’s proof positive that the liberals are too weak minded to intellectually compete with me, so all they can do is imitate and mimic me. Real impressive.

Any of you other pinkos, who I’m as-suming should be experts on liberalism, think this is normal behaviour than by all means raise your hand and be heard. Tell us your opinion.

By DeadeyeDick

February 13, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

PUHLEEEZE EVERYBODY. Keep telling the Cheney jokes. It is so much better than having to tolerate boars like Andy and Danish. Besides. Cracking jokes about their hero p** them off.

By JimG

February 13, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

andy, I thought you were all for local governement, but you want to aid/influence in the local elections of a state in which you don’t live in. Isn’t that contradicting your conservative stand on how gov’t should behave? Oh if liberals interfere, thats a no no, but you can. I see.

By psychoanalyst

February 13, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Andy, you are gay baiting again. Seems that you are always the first to go that route. Andy did you know that most gay baiters and homophobes are reacting to their own latent homosexual tendencies. You need help Andy.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Hero? A vice president? I think not. Does this mean you pinkos worship Algore. Well, isn’t that bizarre.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Why is “Jewish” synonomous with “comedian”? I’m curious about the sociological origins of Jewish humor, and how long they’re willing to try their schtick before the tomatoes start flying.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Deadeye Dick - You know what’s really boring? Repeatedly confusing the word “bore” with “boar”. It’s terribly “boorish”.

By Andy

February 13, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

psychoanalyst: Listen to the “BrokeDick Mountaineers” over here accussing someone of gay baiting. Are you an expert on the subject? Get lots of practice in?

By buff

February 13, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Midori,

a guy just forwarded this to me

http://www.snappygreetings.com/paul-shanklin.html

This is funny

By NeoReo

February 13, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Buffy-sonny, tell your little friends how you almost killed me with an arrow

By psychoanalyst

February 13, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

It is not hard to detect in your case Andy.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Deadeye Dick: P.S. I can’t speak for Andy, but it’s not pi#$ing me off in the least. I actually find the lame attempts at humor amusing, even if the jokes fall flat. It’s cruel I know, but I somewhat enjoy seeing people make fools of themselves. Write on Deadeye!

By Andy's Mom

February 13, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Psychoanalyst please help my son. Just the other day I went in his room without knockin and there he sat in my pink panties that I thought got ate in the washing machine. He had this blowup man on his lap that looked liked Che Guevara and he was screaming pinko pinko pinko. And then he let out one last scream and went limp. I thought he had finally kilt his self but he was breathin real hard so I knowed he was alive. I know he’s not normal. Please help my boy.

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Speaking of a little gun play.

By N-GA

February 13, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Back to ML’s toon. Ordinarily I appreciate ML’s efforts at political satire. However, today’s toon is pretty lame. GWB has repeatedly said (in effect) that his policies will not be influenced by polls. I believe we can infer that he chooses not to listen to the American people (unless they head big corporations or gave him big campaign $$).

By DickMorris

February 13, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Maybe that’s why his poll numbers hit 39% today.

By Buy Danish

February 13, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

RW - what’s your website address again? Too many messages to slog through.

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

I thought you’d never ask!

By Johnnie Cochran

February 13, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

The guy Cheney shot is lucky Dick didn’t torture him a little before shooting him.

By RW-(the original)

February 13, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

The Viking Kitties were getting bored, so this looks like a good place for them to play until ml scribbles something new.

Be sure to stay long enough to see the body of water they are trying to reach the Western shore of.

By Andy's Dad

February 13, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

Hey, Andy’s Mom

You slutty wench, witch and -itch

Andy has succeeded in life despite that you were a whore, smoked two pack of cigs a day, abused drugs, and used to beat him because he was ambitious and you were a loser

Leave my son alone

By Objective Observer

February 13, 2006 07:29 PM | Link to this

I have speakers now. Better!

By DavidU

February 13, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

New Cartoon!

By anti-Andy

February 14, 2006 03:10 AM | Link to this

Did you hear the Democrat’s new idea? I think it’s great for America.

Yea, I did. It’s called “Stop lying to the American people.”

Oh wait, here’s another: “Stop taking bribes from lobbyists.”

Or, how about “The senate is a co-equal branch of government and provides oversight of executive privilege.”

also, please please please be sure to call me a pinko, it makes me all hot and bothered. if you don’t, i’ll be very upset and have to taunt you again.

By Andy

February 14, 2006 04:42 AM | Link to this

So when do you reckon the democrats will implement their new idea?

By neocon(findenceman)

February 15, 2006 06:55 AM | Link to this

they’ve “implemented” lobbying reform and an attempt at illegal wiretapping oversight already, in the form of proposed bills on the one hand and lawsuits (that DoJ commentary says is a strong case) on the other. that’s about all they can do as the minority party in a two-party system.

what remains is for the repubs to determine exactly how they’ll spin their eventual support for these good ideas, whether kicking and screaming, or, more likely, by claiming they were their ideas in the first place.