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By Daniel

January 30, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Mikey hits the nail on the head, once again!

By physicsDawg

January 30, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Even thought I don’t disagree with Bush on all of his policy, and I don’t like ML’s single mindedness all the time, this IS funny. Call ‘em like you see ‘em, Oprah.

By Midori

January 30, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

ROFL!!

Another one hit out of the park Mike.

Keep em coming!!

By physicsDawg

January 30, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

Scary, take the “chub” out of Oprah’s cheeks, and that picture looks like Michael J. Yikes! And notice I said “the picture” I would never insult a human being by saying they actually look like Mike…

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

So this time Andy gets to speak, it looks like ml sewed Midori’s mouth shut.

Wouldn’t Oprah have waited until a couple of million copies of the speech had been sold and called all of her media friends to defend Bush, before bringing him back for a ratings stunt?

By Marion of Texas

January 30, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this

I wish Oprah would take this lying administration on! Good job, Mike!

By Midori

January 30, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

How has Mike L. “sewed my mouth shut”?

You need to get out more.

[In the meantime, enjoy] (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11103804/)

Actually, I’ve become bored with you and your posse’s “walkstep mentality”.

Same crap every, day in and day out.

Can’t wait to see you in next week’s “Tom Tomorrow”.

you’re becoming quite a star, RW.

By kimberly

January 30, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

Democracy - (checks + balances) = Dick-tators who can lie all they want. Congratulations theocrats, fascists, and fundies! It’s all yours now.

By getalife

January 30, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

Dubya went on Oprah to borrow money for his next fiasco.

What is that next to Midori?

By Andy

January 30, 2006 08:26 PM | Link to this

Or we could consider a radical alternative: energy prices are high because Americans object to every possible source of energy known to mankind. Energy, it seems, is icky. Not so icky that we want to use less of it, mind you. But icky enough that we don’t want to make it ourselves. Instead, we fantasize about utopian energy sources of “the future,� and pay through the nose today for limited supplies of foreign energy that originate in the most backward, unstable, and faraway places imaginable.

Gosh, I wonder where I heard that said before?

A coal-fueled power plant emits more radiation than a nuclear power plant (due to uranium ore in the coal), but such facts do not matter in a society that draws its knowledge of nuclear physics from “The China Syndrome� and “The Incredible Hulk.�

But America will not pursue nuclear energy, any more than it will drill for its own oil. Energy is bad. Instead we will continue to live in a fantasy world in which we do not develop our own oil, coal, gas, hydropower, wind power or nuclear and instead dream about hydrogen and ethanol and solar because we know they are too far off to require us to make real decisions anytime soon. We will continue to restrict supply and then complain about price.

I have no idea what he means by “we.�

By Carl

January 30, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

the “toon” is almost as stupid as the show and host. pitiful garbage.

By Andy

January 30, 2006 08:49 PM | Link to this

{So now what?](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/30/175352/650)

by kos

Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:53:52 PM PDT

We lost the cloture vote, but that was — despite some of your best wishes — a pre-ordained conclusion. But that doesn’t mean we lost on the bigger picture.

What you guys accomplished the last week was amazing — the outpouring of emails, letters, faxes, and phone calls was unprecedented for the netroots and particularly surprising given how weak our issue groups organized against Alito. We should’ve played a supporting role to strong efforts by NARAL, People for the American Way, and others. Instead, we ended up being pretty much the entire effort.

The entire effort or the entire problem?

But say what you will about blogs and the netroots, we are not effective organizers for this type of large-scale effort, with an opposition wielding tens of millions of dollars. (say what?) That we got this much accomplished in the fact of that is simply incredible.

So they see their absolutely embarrassing crash and burn in the confirmation hearings as a “accomplishment.” With pinko leaders like this, how can we lose?

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this

Andy,

If Kos managed to push the “no” votes down from 37 to 25 on cloture, maybe they can get busy tonight and get Alito confirmed unanimously.

By Objective Observer

January 30, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

Obviously ml is one of those who places high value on the opinions of Hollywood. Not me!

By Dangit

January 30, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

“We lost the cloture vote, but that was — despite some of your best wishes — a pre-ordained conclusion. But that doesn’t mean we lost on the bigger picture. “

BWAAhahahaha !!! You just don’t get it do ya’ boy! You dims lost the last two elections so STFU and quit your snivellin’.

Dangit!

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

You have to admire their determination. One of their icons gets caught in a mess like this and they just slide W into the picture and absolve themselves.

By shocker

January 30, 2006 10:32 PM | Link to this

Wow! Mike criticizes a Republican? Didn’t see that one coming.

Yawn.

By Spike

January 30, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

Another good one, Mike. And now we ready ourselves to watch the SOU. Wherein we witness this dumbed-down alcoholic weakling representing the U.S. Now that’s REALLY disgusting and repulsive. Praise Geesussa!

By finch

January 30, 2006 11:33 PM | Link to this

ml does it again! Odds are President Bush’s SOTU will be filled with fabrications.

He won’t mention again that Iraq didn’t have any WMDs when the US invaded. Admitting this mistake once was probably too much for his fragileness.

And this invasion was supposed to be a financial no-brainer, right? Iraqi oil would not only fund the US military action, it would pay for Iraq’s reconstruction.

Forget about Iraqi oil underwriting the cost of the war. It could cost US taxpayers 2 trillion dollars. That’s TWO THOUSAND BILLION DOLLARS for the math impared.

Rebuilding Iraq? The gang that couldn’t plan a picnic doesn’t have a clue about rebuilding Iraq.

The US was told the Iraqis would greet us with cheers, flowers and kisses.

So why do 80% of them want us to leave, and close to half support attacks against US forces?

On the domestic front, there’s not much Bush can brag about, outside of artificially high stock prices.

Big oil continues to take Americans to the cleaners. Exxon raked in nearly 11 BILLION dollars in profit between October and December, a record!

Oil companies are just “passing along” higher crude prices (blamed on Katrina and the Iraq war) to consumers. Thats why gasoline and home heating fuel costs so much more. Yeah, right.

When even Bill O’Reilly blows his loofah over big oil profits, you know something’s rotten.

And the personal economy of Americans continues to sink. While the pay of corporate whores accelerates, the real after-tax incomes of ordinary workers shrinks.

Is it any surprise that the average American is now spending more than he or she is saving?

Now more than ever, the emperor has no clothes.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 04:42 AM | Link to this

Liberal activists promote a ruckus to silence Bush

Well, I mean, noise us really is all they have.

Liberal activists — among them graying leftovers from the Vietnam-era antiwar movement — plan to gather near the Capitol tonight, banging pots and pans to drown out President Bush’s State of the Union address.

I wonder if oddball gay finch will be banging on his crackpot?

By Andy

January 31, 2006 04:58 AM | Link to this

The latest evidence that a rift is growing between Iraqi insurgents and al Qaeda in Iraq: The Arab newspaper Al-Hayat reported four days ago that 270 foreigners have been apprehended by authorities in Anbar province. Local tribes, with the cooperation of insurgent forces, are turning on the foreign fighters they once regarded as allies in war against the United States. Most of the 270 were Jordanians, Saudis and Syrians, Al-Hayat reported, suggesting that the arrests have dealt a serious blow to foreign terrorist groups in the area.

But they are fighting eachother in a very civil manner, right pinkos?

By Andy

January 31, 2006 05:10 AM | Link to this

Big oil continues to take Americans to the cleaners. Exxon raked in nearly 11 BILLION dollars in profit between October and December, a record!

Oil companies are just “passing along� higher crude prices (blamed on Katrina and the Iraq war) to consumers. Thats why gasoline and home heating fuel costs so much more. Yeah, right.

“We will continue to restrict supply and then complain about price.”

And we will remain either too stupid or too ignorant to remember that government makes more on a gallon of gasoline than the oil companies do.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 05:14 AM | Link to this

According to knowledgeable DNC sources, Dean about ten days ago was shown opposition research documents generated by the Republican National Committee more than three years ago, which laid out facts regarding Reid and his family’s lobbying and ethical conflicts.

Dean, according to the sources, was fascinated by the details, and asked that his staff research and independently confirm everything on the documents. “Basically he oppo’d a member of his own party,” says a DNC source loyal to Dean.

*”Basically, we were looking at three- or four-page documents that made Jack Abramoff’s lobbying work look like that of a rank amateur,” says the DNC source. “Between the minority leader’s past in Nevada and here in Washington, and the activities of his sons and son-in-law, there probably isn’t anyone in this town with more conflicts. The Reid family is the symbol of what’s wrong with Washington; it’s their behavior that enabled the culture that spawned people like Abramoff.”

By andy

January 31, 2006 05:15 AM | Link to this

government makes more on a gallon of gasoline than the oil companies do.

so why would they want to change that?

By candide

January 31, 2006 05:49 AM | Link to this

Bush and his cronies are experts in lying.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 06:21 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it kind of rude the way cartoon boy drew Oprah to be so fat? I know she’s a plump little pinko, but gosh, look at how much bigger than Bush she is. It’s kind of gross, you libs should have a intervention with her before it becomes a health issue.

And top that off with the stress from getting lied to by another pinko! Mercy, it’s rough being a left winger these days. It’s not like the whole entire foundation of your feelgood socialism is built on a bed of lies, now we can’t distinguish one lie from another. Or who’s supposed to be lying and what lies they are to respond to the liars with. Is there anybody keeping track of the lies? Like a chief liar? Maybe we could get ourselves a liars “bible” to tell us which lies are true and which lies are lies?

By candide

January 31, 2006 06:22 AM | Link to this

The Holy Bible, Andy, already tells enough lies.

By AntiRadical

January 31, 2006 06:35 AM | Link to this

Priceless and so very apropos. Oprah DOES seem to be the forum for ex-drunk-addicts with “memory difficulties” and “integrity challenges”.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 06:53 AM | Link to this

This cartoon and its responses just show that most people that don’t like Bush have already decided(before the speech) that it will be full of lies. The man hasn’t even give his State of the Union yet and everyone has already made up their minds. I thought the left was suppossed to be the open-minded party. I guess not

By andy

January 31, 2006 07:07 AM | Link to this

Ricky, I guess you think Bush is going to say something new and uplifting eh?

By AntiRadical

January 31, 2006 07:09 AM | Link to this

Ricky: Both sides are completely and hopelessly polarized at this point. Many voters fell for the Presidents campaign swill in which he claimed to be a “Uniter not a Divider”. We all see the “truth” in that, now. Fool me once, shame on you (Mr. President); fool me twice, shame on ME.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 07:21 AM | Link to this

Speaking of the truth, does the hysteria ever stop? Do they ever get tired of yelling fire in the crowded theaters?

By AntiRadical

January 26, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

In an aside, the US military decided to release 5 Iraqi women, today; bowing to the demands of the captors of American journalist, Jill Carroll. I thought that the US didn’t negotitate with terrorists??? Seeing the “Mental Midget� waffle around and violate every principle he ever “mouthed� is becoming an entertainment bonanza.

With the incredible ineptitude of our military command and their complete lack of comprehension regarding psy-ops, if we get out of this thing with our shirts, we will be very lucky indeed. Jill Carroll made her own bed with full foreknowledge. Let’s save the little darling if we can but let’s not prostitute ourselves in the process!!!

Nice timing.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

January 31, 2006 07:51 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical - “Ricky: Both sides are completely and hopelessly polarized at this point. Many voters fell for the Presidents campaign swill in which he claimed to be a “Uniter not a Dividerâ€?. We all see the “truthâ€? in that, now. Fool me once, shame on you (Mr. President); fool me twice, shame on ME.” Amen!

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

Anti, are you suggesting the dems have been more than bipartisan with their calling him fascist, comparing him to Pol Pot, bringing up Cheney’s daughter’s sex life in the debates? How about when they blamed him for the recession, like they don’t know that it takes years for the massive US economy to react? Was it bipartisan, when the dems refused to even acknowledge there was a problem with Social Security, then refused to talk about any plans that would give Americans any financial liberty. Hey, it was bipartisan when they acted like all the crooked CEOs only became crooked when Bush came to office, right? It is the rabid “know it all” passionate liberals that are… you know what screw it.

Anti, bring up the no nation building promise, but be sure to ignore 9/11, OK.

By Jim

January 31, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

Bushes state of the union, I already know the state of the union. The rich get filthy rich and the rest of us that work for a living get the shaft. If gas prices had really skyrocked the gas companies would not be raking in record profits. I got a $497.00 gas bill to prove it, and it hasn’t been that cold this year. Mr Bush, pull out the troops and the next time we’re attacked just do it efficiently. Nuke em.

By Candide

January 31, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

I have to admit, I was born again last night at the church.

By BSdetector

January 31, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

If Bushes lips move a lie comes out. The entire SOTU will be full of propaganda and spin. Bush has accomplished absolutely nothing.

I will say this however. Dick Cheney is the problem in this administration. Every single problem we are facing in this country today most likely originated in his office. Getting rid of Cheney will make Bush a much better president.

By MOC

January 31, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

I think you are right. If people payed more attention to the VP candidate during campaigns we would probably not have this administration. Dick Cheney is worse than cancer and his world view is not compatible with a free society.

By The Grinch

January 31, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Remember Libs….Ophrah lied too.

By Eric

January 31, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

If the truth were really that important to Oprah she would devote her show, her life to bringing down this corrupt administration. And she could probably do single handedly what the socalled news organizations are apparently afraid to do. I’m no big Oprah fan, but if she’d serve the country in that way, I’d be in her hip pocket for life.

By The Grinch

January 31, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

You gotta love the Liberal media. CNN considers this breaking news…”“Brokeback Mountain” leads Academy Awards field with eight nominations, including best picture”

I’m sure most libs get their news from Entertainment Tonight and already know this.

By The Grinch

January 31, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

You gotta love the Liberal media. CNN considers this breaking news…”“Brokeback Mountain” leads Academy Awards field with eight nominations, including best picture”

I’m sure most libs get their news from Entertainment Tonight and already know this.

By The Grinch

January 31, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

You gotta love the Liberal media. CNN considers this breaking news…”“Brokeback Mountain” leads Academy Awards field with eight nominations, including best picture”

I’m sure most libs get their news from Entertainment Tonight and already know this.

By The Grinch

January 31, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

You gotta love the Liberal media. CNN considers this breaking news…”“Brokeback Mountain” leads Academy Awards field with eight nominations, including best picture”

I’m sure most libs get their news from Entertainment Tonight and already know this.

By finch

January 31, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

government makes more on a gallon of gasoline than the oil companies do.”

Oh, and so that makes oil company consumer gouging okay? What an shallow, insipid rationalization. I’m sure that makes everyone facing skyrocketing gasoline and home heating costs feel just peachy.

The anti-US insurgents in Iraq remain overwhelmingly Iraqi, despite the criminally skewed dispatches in such propaganda rags as the Moonie Times. The handful of foreign born terrorists who are in Iraq wouldn’t be there at all if it weren’t for the wasteful, unnecessary US invasion, which inspired them to join “jihad”.

In fact, the US government consistently overstates the number of foreign insurgents in Iraq, “feeding the myth” that Zarqawi and his clones are a major force.

As for the financial cost of the war, it’s now approaching $240 BILLION dollars.

Even the “Moonie Times” is reporting that Iraq is now a bottomless money pit.

This doesn’t include the human cost of the Iraq war. 2200 American dead and counting. (but don’t take pictures!) 30,000 Iraqi dead (by Bush’s estimate).

The Emperor has no clothes.

By getalife

January 31, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

“Powerful corporate special interests control the agenda and people who don’t have paid lobbyists really don’t have much of a voice,” he said. “To these power players, the challenges facing America are not problems to solve, but opportunities to exploit. We’re all paying the price for that.”

Since Dubya is not going to address the root of all problems, I will not watch him spew his rhetoric. I will look forward to the coc indictments and post them as they come. Good day Atlanta!

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

“We will continue to restrict supply and then complain about price.�

Ain’t it the truth?

The anti-US insurgents in Iraq remain overwhelmingly Iraqi, despite the criminally skewed dispatches in such propaganda rags as the Moonie Times.- Says oddball gay finch.

The following is from ABC News, propaganda rag:

Jan. 30, 2006 — There is increasing evidence that the fault lines between local Sunni Iraqi insurgents and the mostly foreign fighters of Abu Musaab al Zarqawi’s al Qaeda in Iraq are deepening, according to a number of press reports. Go to second link, “Pressure grows,” cartton boy won’t link to the propaganda rag ABC.

Bush lies?

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Why is this cartoon, of all the left-sided ML Bush-bashing, so unpopular? Are Oprah fans upset about the way she is depicted? I can’t figure out why he averages about 85 - 15 % every day, and today it’s 65 - 35 %

By Andy

January 31, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

ATLANTA — Coretta Scott King, who turned a life shattered by her husband’s assassination into one devoted to enshrining his legacy of human rights and equality, has died. She was 78.

A moment of silence, please.

By getalife

January 31, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

“I want to contrast what I consider to be an administration that is super partisan and not really able to deliver results with a different model, a better way, which is what we’ve been doing in Virginia and other states,” Kaine said, previewing his Tuesday night speech in an interview with The Associated Press.

“Results matter. Planning matters. Management matters, and you can make much more progress if you do it in a bipartisan way,” he said.

This divided country is getting old and tired. We are all Americans and should fight problems together and move forward. This guy has a good message

By AntiRadical

January 31, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Andy: The latest University of Maryland poll of the Iraqi people indicates that over 45% of all Iraqis favor roadside attacks on US troops. The lowest polling area was, of course, the Kurds (14%), but interestingly both the Sunnis and the S** had responses of greater than 40% on this issue. Yeh, Andy, the problem in Iraq must be “foreign fighters”. Our “good buddies”, the Iraqis, just “love us to death”, don’t they?

By Billy Joe

January 31, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Don’t wanna be an American idiot. One nation controlled by the media. Information age of hysteria. It’s calling out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension. All across the aryan nation. Everything isn’t meant to be okay. Television dreams of tomorrow. We’re not the ones you’re meant to follow. For that’s enough to argue.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

In my opinion here is where the Democratic Party has gone wrong. The “mainstream” American opinion has shifted to the right some starting in the 1980’s. The Republican Party has done a better job adjusting to this. I don’t think the Dems have. They seem to be stuck in the same group think. Evidence of this exists in the nomination of Sam Alito. Most Americans believe he represented “mainstream” views. Dems consistently said he was out of the mainstream. He is obviously not as far out of the mainstream as Ginsburg or Breyer. I really think Kennedy, Kerry, Durbin, etc believe he is way out there. I think they have misread what most Americans think and that is why the have lost power over the last 25 years. That being said, I don’t think Bush represents most Americans either. I think the majority connect more to guys like McCain, Liberman, Guillani, etc. Will this change starting in the 06 elections? It might. That will just be part of the excitement of next years races and then the lead up to the 08 Presidential election. It should be interesting to watch

By Andy

January 31, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Actually, AntiR, I believe you might be the problem in Iraq.

By AntiRadical

January 26, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Andy: I can’t believe that you of all people would support the Iraqi women “prisoner exchange�. I guess al-Queda is an official government now that we are “negotiating� and “exchanging prisoners�. That’s not giving them tacit authenticity or authority though, is it? We held these Iraqi women for months/years. Why do we release them, now, when it can only appear to the terrorist cabals that we are doing so from fear/weakness ‘cause we were ORDERED to release them? Terrorists have no government or country so why do we treat them as if they had legitimate world standing as a rightful government? Nothing good can ever come from what might even appear to be capitulation with terrorists. We’re now stuck fast to an intolerable effort that we cannot win or quit. What a great place to be!

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Ricky: You’ve been in Georgia too long.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

Great response Daniel. Once again no facts or logical reasoning.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

Ricky, Daniel’s right. You claim to understand what “Americans” really think. Based on weeks of reading your posts, I can honestly say you don’t know diddly effing squat about “most” Americans. You only understand your little microcosm of reality and think it applies to everyone. Let’s be clear, Dude. YOU don’t know me. You don’t speak for me. Maybe not all Americans think like I do, but they don’t all think like YOU do either. We are NOT one. Capice?

By Midori

January 31, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Ricky: You’ve been in Georgia too long.

ROFL!!!!

Daniel — thanks for the sorely needed laugh :)

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

kimberly, why get so upset. I was just stating what I have seen through the last couple of elections. I am not claiming to speak for you. There is no need to get mad. I don’t claim to understand what Americans think. Instead of getting so mad why don’t you just offer your opinion and then we can have an honest debate.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Daniel, how do you know I live in Georgia? In fact I don’t, but I didn’t expect you to take something like that into consideration

By AntiRadical

January 31, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Go Andy. I know you’re chomping at the bit to “make a deal” with those terrorists. You’re half way there, only 4 more women terrorists to release, right? The “Mental Midget” sure would like to avoid any responsibility for getting a photogenic woman journalist killed wouldn’t he? (might sour public opinion more). Might as well blame Iraq on me, the President sure as heck ain’t going to take any responsibility for anything, is he? The fact that nearly half of all Iraqis think it’s good and honorable to engage in roadside attacks on US troops has nothing to do with the problems in Iraq, huh? Your rose colored glasses have, now, turned into blinders.

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

The definition of “Mainstream” would be something like: “most people think…” So, to base a statement on a poll of a lot of people, and what most of them reply, is a very valid statement. Your ranting that “YOU don’t know me. You don’t speak for me.” proves you weren’t part of the majority results he was referencing. I guess that makes you, Tedy, Kerry, etc. the ones who are “out of the mainstream.” He wasn’t trying to speak for ALL Americans, just what most of them stated they felt. Alito is a perfect example of what Mainstream America says is “mainstream,” and What some liberals think is “mainstream.”

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

The definition of “Mainstream” would be something like: “most people think…” So, to base a statement on a poll of a lot of people, and what most of them reply, is a very valid statement. Your ranting that “YOU don’t know me. You don’t speak for me.” proves you weren’t part of the majority results he was referencing. I guess that makes you, Tedy, Kerry, etc. the ones who are “out of the mainstream.” He wasn’t trying to speak for ALL Americans, just what most of them stated they felt. Alito is a perfect example of what Mainstream America says is “mainstream,” and What some liberals think isn’t “mainstream.”

By Andy

January 31, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

kimberly: Did you ever consider that you just might be in the minority? You should.

AntiR: What’s the matter, the closer we get to victory over Al Qaeda in Iraq, the more agitated you become. That’s kind of weird, unless you really like cold blooded killers that suicide bomb children, stone adulterers to death, crush homosexuals. Sounds like your “chomping at the bit” for some of those old time atrocities to happen again. Would a nice terrorist attack win you some seats back in the Senate, pervert?

By Midori

January 31, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Kimberly,

give it a couple minutes and he’ll go into his Cindi Sheehan rant.

Guess he speaks for her, too.

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

So, how many of their students did the U of Maryland send to Iraq to do that poll? Interesting source…

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Mainstream idiots, the vast majority, used to think the earth was flat. We now know it’s not true. You think your Godly Ruler Bush has been telling you the truth? Uh-huh. You think removing checks and balances from a democratic republic is GOOD for America? Please excuse me while I step over to the minority side while you have your big parade. Hey, watch out for that big pile of horsesh—!

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

Here is the poll that AntiR and finch are using. Question 5-A will show you where they get this “half of Iraq thinks it’s a good idea to kill us” bs.

You won’t find a question that backs AntiR’s claim of “honorable roadside attacks”. You will find a typical polling trick that splits approval into degrees so that someone may say “somewhat” and then get lumped into the approve numbers. You will also find that 150 Sunnis were added to the original sample of 1000 to reach the results based on 1150 Iraqis.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

Way to go! Kimberly.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

HYSTERICAL NEUROSIS - Symptoms and Signs

Dissociative phenomena: A variety of altered states of consciousness may result from the dissociative process. In somnambulism, the patient appears to be out of contact with his environment, is seemingly unresponsive to external stimuli, and in many cases appears to be living out a vivid, hallucinated drama, often the memory of some past emotionally traumatic event. In amnesia, the most common form of dissociative hysteria, the patient typically has a complete loss of memory for all past events covering a period of several hours to several weeks. Anterograde amnesia may occur, wherein the amnesia covers the memory of events as they are experienced, the patient forgetting continuously from moment to moment what he has just been thinking, feeling, and doing.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

kimberly, if you read my post you will see where I said Bush doesn’t represent the mainstream either. I am not a die hard supporter of Bush. Did I like him better than Gore and Kerry? Yes. But the were conservatives I would have rather voted for. So you guys are taking my post and contorting to what you want to hear so you can bash Bush. Thats fine, there are many things you can critize the President over(too much spending, immigration, bad intel, etc). All I was trying to do was post what I had seen happening over the last several election cycles. If you disagree with me thats cool, I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, but why the rancor and and name calling?

By AntiRadical

January 31, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Poor Andy, your dream of American loving Iraqi nationals dancing in the streets and throwing rose petals at the feet of our troops have been dashed and now you’re sulking. Too, bad. Welcome to the REAL world from your favorite pervert. Sorry, but will have to continue tommorow as I’ve gotta try and get a tabasco bottle out of a young mans’ backside (geez, you never know what you’re going to find in this work). How do you “lose” a bottle of tabasco??? Must have been watching “Brokeback” and just got beyond himself, I guess. Geez!!!

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Federal Budget Deficit 2005: 319 Billion. Federal Budget Deficit (Projected) 2006: 400 Billion. Overweight, indebted America clings to phony Bush pretending it can avoid the consequences of its excesses forever.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Ricky, you seem to be a concerned, thoughtful, observant young man. Might I suggest that instead of just describeing what you “see,” that you try to understand it? Because 50 million people believe a lie does not make it truth. Because people react with FEAR to things they don’t understand, does not mean FEAR is actually the best response. These election cycles to which you refer are far more complex than what you encapsulate in one small paragraph. But the ramifications are far-reaching. Never give up on your education, please. If you’re paraphrasing Hannity, then you CLEARLY do not have the whole story.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Alito Confirmed 58-42

Should be an interesting day as the left wing blogs try to figure why they couldn’t sustain a filibuster.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

kimberly, you are making assumptions that aren’t true. First, I am not a Hannity fan. In fact I am not a fan of the blow hards on either side. I understand the Bush didn’t win by much in either election. That is why I stated that there has been a small movement in the direction of the right in the political leanings of Americans. I think to say that the reason people voted for Bush the second time was because of fear is simplistic. There is a legitimate threat of another terrorist attack on our country. I also acknowledge that there are many different factors to why Bush was reelected, one being that Kerry was a bad candidate, much like Bob Dole was in 96. In both cases the party out of power didn’t have a good candidate to run. If you are paraphrasing Air America than you CLEARLY don’t have the whole story. If you want to say Bush lied, then you have to believe that he looked at the intel and decided to make it what he wanted. In my opinion, Bush did what he thought was best. Was he right? You can argue about that for days. What we know is that the intel was bad, from everyone. I wish Bush would get up there tonight and say that the intel was bad and that he made a mistake in what he thought would happen after Saddam fell. Will he? Probably not.

By candide

January 31, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Women of America, watch out! Alito is now on the Court. He will treat you like the Sopranos treat their women.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

candide, people probably said the same thing about Souter at the time. What proof do you have?

By candide

January 31, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

He’a rightwing wop, ain’t he? Another Mussolini.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

candide, wow, there is a lot of racism flowing from your mouth today. I thought the left was suppossed to be compassionate and accepting of all. I guess thats only for people you like though.

By gadem

January 31, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

RW, some know what battles to pick. And that was actually not one. I don’t think that he was too far right but I think the thought of having to predominately conservative judges being appointed by King Bush was too much for most to stomach. One thing for sure, most Justices views changes once they have been on the court a while.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

gadem: There’s truth in what you say. Louis Brandeis, for one, is an example of that.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Souter is an example of that.

By Starvinmarvin

January 31, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

As the bible says, defending liars is a sin more grievous than the liar’s. There is time to repent and be born again. Just confess.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

gadem,

I’ll be sure to check with you when I want to support a cause in the future.

By getalife

January 31, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

I am an Italian American and do not understand the “without papers” reference. Shouln’t that racial slur belong to the illegal immigrants?

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Ricky, you said, “most people that don’t like Bush have already decided(before the speech) that it will be full of lies.” That’s because he lies a whole lot. Maybe THAT’s why we don’t like him. You think he saw the intell and made the decision he thought best. I think he ORDERED the intell like he used to order bourbon & coke (& coke). I think hes a g—d——-d liar with a mission to make his friends rich and hold power for the elite that spawned him. I think he always was, and always will be. Do you think I’m going to watch the speech with an open mind? Oooooo, they’re clapping. He must be BRILLIANT!

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

gsl: Thank you.

By The Grinch

January 31, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

F**k Ted Kennedy

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

kimberly, obviously we have a different opinion on this matter. I think you have bought into the left mantra that Republicans are out to make themsevles rich and screw everyone else. But like I said, we have a different opinion.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I just call it like I see it, Dude. Don’t need anybody’s mantra, thank you. Maybe you’ve seen something I haven’t. I’m quite sure I’ve seen things YOU haven’t.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Kimberly has it exactly right. The evidence is overwhelming. The one thing Bush has accomplished is the unending flow of cash to the wealthy. Mobile Oil (Surprise?) reports a profit last year of 36 Billion. Who was the last Republican President to balance a budget? The worst elements of the Republican party have learned how to bleed the government for their profit. Small fry are taking a beating.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Daniel, once again you are confusing the facts and bending them to your own desire. First off, when Clinton balanced the budget it was at the urging of the Republican Congress. That is fact. Does that mean it is okay to spend like crazy now? No and I don’t agree with it. But to act like it was all Clinton just isn’t true. You also don’t mention that Bush has proposed a plan to cut the deficit in half by 2009.

By getalife

January 31, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

If you have the money to invest, just follow Dubya’s policies to know where to invest. Drug companies, big oil, defense like Haliburton , etc… and look at the profits and stocks of these companies in the last five years.

By Voice of Reason

January 31, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Proposing to do it, and doing are two inherently different things. Especially when you have the billion-dollar adventure goin on.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Who was the last Republican President to balance a budget? If Clinton balanced many budgets at the urging of the Republican Congress, what is the problem today? We’ve had a Republican Congress for years! No, my friend, your Republican Party has been hijacked by rank opportunists who only care for money. Can you answer the question?

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Hey, I’m better off than I was 4(or 6) years ago. Isn’t that the selfish way to determine if a President is any good? [don’t tell my wife I didn’t attribute the last 6 good years to her :)]

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Daniel, the problem with this administration is that Bush isn’t a true conservative. Is he conservative, yes on social issues. But not on fiscal matters. And he has pressured the Congress into following him. I lay the blame at Bush’s feet. Unlike you Daniel, I can critize both sides. I am not a blind partisan. And no I don’t know the answer off the top of my head.

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

VoR, proposing and doing are not inherently different things; They are just so often unrelated nowadays. But, UN-proposed and UN-done things are intrinsically linked.

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Hey, I’m glad for ambitious proposals. The higher they aim, the better off we’ll still be when they fail to reach their goals. “Aim small, miss small” I don’t really subscribe to the Party (in Congress) following the Executive’s lead. If the Republicans in House and Senate could reach a majority, with good plans, It would/should be the Oval Office following their lead.

By Voice of Reason

January 31, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Are you serious Dawg? I proposed to quit smoking this year, but so far, no dice. But as long as I propose, everything is okay. You see, most rational thinking people consider proposals empty promises until they are actually fulfilled. And at the rate Big Dub is spending, he’s gonna have to borrow money from his oil friends to cut the deficit in half by 2019, let alone 2009.

By candide

January 31, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

StarvinMarvin: cut the crap about being born again. For you once was too much.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Ricky: Don’t feel bad. No one here does. It was Dwight D. Eisenhower. Thanks for not taking the “Georgia” comment too seriously. I was just kidding. Nothing threatens America like the National Debt. The flood of borrowed cash to the rich is vintage Bush. Will you help pay my share of the debt?

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

candide, it amazes me everyday how much racism, anti-religion, and hate speech spew out of your mouth.

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Ricky, I agree with current Repubs being “conservative” in abortion policy, stem cells, and not much else. A good example of skewed terminology is, I’m a “environmental conservative,” I think we should stop chopping down so many trees, recycle cans, paper, etc. But, that’s considered “liberal” not “conservative.” [I also believe no fossil fuels should EVER be used to produce electricity. Yes, we need them for cars, but Nuclear plants can produce elec. and coal fouls the air a lot worse. But, most “environmental conservatives” would rather use our natural resources and foul the air, than deal with the prospect of another cooling tower in their state. Go figure.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

Ugly in here today. I think some of you need a timeout for juice and cookies while some grown-ups chat awhile.

Alito’s a basic judicial conservative, like any number of others before. We’ve had conservative courts for years that haven’t subjugated women and minorities as feared, even if their rulings weren’t well-received by same. Fortunately, nearly all of our qualified jurists on both sides have a greater sense of long-term Constitutional rulings than our short-sighted, election-obsessed politicians in the other two branches. Which is why fear of radical rulings from the bench usually don’t come to fruition. But we’ll see.

The guy I don’t want to be after today is Lincoln Chafee. He may have to switch parties to get invited to anybody’s buffet.

By Ricky

January 31, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

Daniel, why would I help pay your share of the national debt? Do you pay your taxes? That should be good enough. I don’t buy into the the Bush giving all the money to the rich. To me it is just a tired old talking point. Much like the Dems all being for abortion on demand.

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

I don’t wanna juice & cookies, I don’t wanna juice & cook… Oh, Tanks. Mmm, crunch Hm-mm, mmm…”

By Voice of Reason

January 31, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

This if for Kimberly if you’re still out there

Tonight’s SOTU!

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Because I live within my means. Yes, I unlike Mr. Abramoff, pay my share of taxes. I do not support “Borrow and Spend”. I expect the government to live within it’s means, as well. Sadly, we’re led by a pack of crooks who could care less about you and I. They treat the USA like suckers (I.e. “morons, troglodytes and monkey’s”). All the rest is B.S.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

To the point: We’ve had Republican presidents for 17 of the last 25 years, appointing conservative justices (note: Reagan appointed O’Connor and Kennedy, now both celebrated for their centrist views; he played the right wing like a bass fiddle, he did). Yet women still have more rights than they did in the days of Democratic-controlled courts and Congress of previous generations. So where does the fear of renewed oppression come from? Keep in mind, all these neocons you fear have wives at home to answer to, and they’re probably on your side more often than not.

Changing the subject, did I hear that the new Virginia governor is going to deliver the Democratic response to the State of the Union tonight? Are the Dems that hard-up for a spokesperson without negative baggage?

By getalife

January 31, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Actually, it is a new message. Check it out here.

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Physics Dawg, you speak of environmental conservatives and I have always thought that was funny. I told you that I was in Conner Hall, while at UGA, but didn’t tell you what I majored in. Anyway, I majored in Environmental Economics and Management, but know work in environmental engineering. Whenever I meet someone and they ask what I do, I say I am in the environmental field (as specifics to strangers are not my thang). By simply saying I am in the environmental field, I found that people would automatically assume they had a friendly ear for their liberal rants. So, I began to qualify my statement to include that I am an environmental capitalist and am amazed at how befuddled people look when they hear that term. No point just thought it was noteworthy, but probably not.

Ricky, be careful feeding the animals they generally don’t give back what they recieve. I have tried the give a little and get a little approach as well, but repubs (which I am not) have been doing that since the Great Depression but we have not “progressed” to free markets. We have the government educating our children to have good self esteem but riddlin drugged and economicaly ignant so that a political party can exploit that ignance for more power of dependency in Washington. All they need is a “progressive tax code” and the human charecteristics of envy and animosity to subject some to a dependent status.

By Who Cares?

January 31, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Here is a way to really enjoy the SOTU speech tonight. Beer and present danger - The president’s State of the Union address might go down a little easier if you mix it with a few drinks.

By Syd

January 31, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

Once again Mike shows just how predictable he is. Take any pop-culture event, “news”, etc…tie it to Bush…”it’s George’s fault”, and you have his cartoon for the day. Now Bush certainly is not tops on my list, but our country would be much better off if the media, including Mike L, would stop pushing their agenda. Regardless of what Bush does, Mike will always make him look bad simply becuase Mike does not like him. What a shame Mike.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Didn’t do the link, but I could see a drinking game emerge. Slug one down every time he says the phrase “protect the American people.” You’ll be pie-eyed before it’s done.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Well, that’s what it was indeed. Great minds think alike.

I tend to agree with those who decry the State of the Union as political theater rather than a substantive address to Congress, as it once was. Before Wilson, presidents just sent their Message to Congress (as it was called) up in writing. Of course, that was before the prez could have a couple hours (or more, in Clinton’s case) of prime-time TV all to themselves.

By Midori

January 31, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Syd,

you are sooooooooooo far off the mark that it’s hilarious.

Mike isn’t saying that anything is “Bush’s fault”.

I don’t know which is funnier — your completely missing the point, or your interpretation of the “point”.

By Voice of Reason

January 31, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

I guess his medical bills were overwhelming him

You would think with all of the money Wal-mart execs made, they could afford bloody mary mix.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Is it just me, or is this site running way slow today?

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

No

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

It’s

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Just

By physicsDawg

January 31, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

You.

By WashingtonState

January 31, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Where’s RW today?

I need a fairly reasonable conservative voice to explain to me what Bush is trying to do with this Medicare Perscription thing. Out here, we are having one hell of a time with it, especially with severely disabled people who are on Medicaid and Medicare. Many have been randomly assigned to plans that don’t cover their medicines. Some plans are breaking contractual agreements. The federal response so far has been somewhere along the lines of: We broke it, you get to fix it. Sounds to me like we have been sold a pig in a poke. The pharmaceutical industry is the only group happy with the outcome. Taxpayers are upset about the tremendous costs (much of which was deliberately hidden before congress voted on the program.) Seniors are upset about the complexity and spotty coverage of the plan. And the disabled are getting the royal shaft because they can’t get life sustaining medicines.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

WS: It’s a Bush plan. That means money for the Insurance Company. B.S.and claptrap for therest of us.

By WashingtonState

January 31, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Daniel, I read that Rove was very involved with the formulation of the plan and it was meant as an attempt to appeal to seniors, who tend to exercise their voting privilege in large numbers. As such, it makes no sense. There has to be something else going on. Maybe it was just a miscalculation. Maybe it was part of a “starve the beast” plan. But there has to be a better explanation than that for it.

By RobC

January 31, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

It might have been a little more convincing if you had actually waited until he gave his address. But you don’t really care what he has to say, do you? Like many liberals, you don’t have principles, you have attitudes. Just don’t bother you with the facts, right?

By Andy

January 31, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

RobC: Every single one of these goofballs in here has foam coming out of their pinko mouths just from thinking about Bush’s speech tonight, it’s a sickness, a disease, a mental thing.

By RobC

January 31, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Andy: Michelle Malkin really nailed it: Unhinged!

By WashingtonState

January 31, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

My question has nothing to do with Bush’s state of the union. And that is why I addressed it to RW. The rest of you conservatives don’t seem to be able to do anything more than call people names. You have been well taught.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Yes, I’m sure tonight’s prepared speech will be slam full of important facts. I look forward to being enlightened, and promise to keep an open mind.

BTW, does anyone know the exact number of actual PRESS CONFERENCES this President has held since taking office — not the buddy-ups like with Blair or “Pootie”, but where he stood in front of his press corp and answered questions without a script. I’m not sure, is it 10 or 11? Does anyone know?

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

The answer is, not enough. The reason isn’t hard to detect: when addressing reporters, Bush looks as if he’s talking to the gathered detrius of a Port-O-Let. Most of us have more fun at the dentist. Like many in public life, he doesn’t understand that the role of the media is to question everything he does, for better or worse. If we ever get a president who likes the White House press corps, then they’re doing something wrong.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Washington State: Think about this for a minute- The rest of you conservatives don’t seem to be able to do anything more than call people names.

As far as your questions concerning a free government handout, for something that used to cost people money I think back to a famous wise man saying I learned many many years ago: “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.”

The pinko liberals, who probably had their heads bitten off looking for Bush inside of the gift horse’s mouth, are sour grapes as usual, it’s a standard operating procedure for a pinko. Maybe it could be the anger, frustration and blind screaming rage that could be causing their confusion.

One minute their veins are bulging out of their necks because you aren’t giving enough to the needy, 5 minutes later their veins are popping out of their foreheads because you’re spending too much on the needy.

Maybe we need more mental health care funding?

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, he is on vacation all the time. He is a record setter on vacations right? He probably hasn’t had enough time to give many press conferences, as he is so busy “screwing” up the country, being a fascist and all.

Washington State, he was trying to use the “progressive” tax code to buy votes like the other guys. With that plan he spit in the face of all limited government conservatives, the little republicrat.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

WS: A miscalculation? You are kind. Every Bush economic promise has been broken. Social Security=A scheme to profit brokerage houses; Iraq War=oodles of money for Halliburton and Co.; Iraq War=A 1 Billion estimate balloons to a 300 Billion Failure with no end in sight; Trade Deficits and Budget Deficits galore. At the present America borrows 2 Billion daily from Asia. No end in sight.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

DrR: Like many in public life, he doesn’t understand that the role of the media is to question everything he does, for better or worse Absolutely, we should give the impression to our nation’s enemies that we are weak willed, led by a madman and that we will surrender at the drop of a hate. We should convince them that we are in need of a regime change and that we will gladly be slaughtered in the streets to achieve this end. You’ve nailed it once again, my man.

By WashingtonState

January 31, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I’ll wait for some more sane answers than that. Your partisanship is preventing you doing more than frothing at the mouth.

By getalife

January 31, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

How low will the coc go, this low.

They will give the money cut to the Iraqis.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

We need not fear, however. The Bush government will be there for us with another excuse and a TV commercial. And if that’s not enough loudmouthed cowards are handily nearby to sacrifice someone elses kids for their greed. The Republican Party is hostage to avarice and deceit.

By Who Cares?

January 31, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Andy

We do need a regime change in the US.

By Josh

January 31, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

Take a long look and listen to BUSH tonight. Then reconsider how much time you really wish to spend with anyone who voted for him.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

President Congratulates Judge Alito on Senate Confirmation

President George W. Bush shakes hands with Judge Samuel A. Alito in the Roosevelt Room of the White House Tuesday, Jan. 31, 2006, after the Senate voted to confirm Judge Alito as the 110th Justice of the Supreme Court.

Hail To The Chief.

U.S. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy — who ripped Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito for ties to a group that discriminates against women — says he’s going to quit a club notorious for discriminating against women “as fast as I can.�

Kennedy was outed by conservatives late last week as a current member of The Owl Club, a social club for Harvard alumni that bans women from membership.

In an interview with WHDH Channel 7’s Andy Hiller that aired last night, Kennedy said, “I joined when I … 52 years ago, I was a member of the Owl Club, which was basically a fraternal organization.â€?

Asked by Hiller whether he is still a member, Kennedy said, “I’m not a member; I continue to pay about $100.�

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Dr R., I agree the medias role is to question everything the prez does, but I don’t think they are fair.

possible example;

Bush goes to Iraq to have Thanksgiving with the troops and for a photo op uses a fake turkey, the media questions and criticizes.

Bill Clinton goes to Normandy and finds enough rocks in a small area, of a bare beach, to form a cross in remembrance, the media accepts.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Scooter, you show that you have the ability to filter whatever bias the media provides, as do I. They report, we decide. We can tell when they’re not straight with us. But like any other pursuit in life, journalism is imparted by flawed, all-too-human people who must overcome their flaws to do a nigh-impossible job. Most do it well. I read the NY Times, for instance, knowing that it has a liberal bias. I’m a big boy; it won’t change my mind about anything.

Andy, your point, if I have it correct, is that our enemies judge us as one entity and that criticism of our leader implies weakness. And you’re right; the small-minded barbarians who practice zealotry and terrorism have no concept of a free society in which dissent and discussion are signs of strenth, not weakness. No doubt they feel this. I do believe, however, that our way of life and government is superior to their backward approach, so I see no need to alter it to “play down” to the primitive cognizance of 11th century goat (lovers). We is what we is, don’t care what they think. And yes, we should kill them all, but all in good time …

By finch

January 31, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

RW,

I think the Democrats decided not to support a filibuster, and let Alioto be confirmed because (this is the political cynic in me) they hope Alito will commit some major “blunder” on executive powers, wiretaps, abortion, etc.

And then, in future elections, all 42 Democrats who voted against Alito will sing in unison, “I told you so!”

On another subject, The UMd Iraqi poll, don’t you worry that the huge opinion gap between Sunnis and Shia on just about everything is fertile soil for a civil war? If one hasn’t started already?

I know I do.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

DrR: Maybe if the pinko media wasn’t a lapdog for the democratic party I would be able to see your point. Did they question Bubba over everything he did?

Maybe our government would be more efficient and do a better job for us if they didn’t spend all of their time answering to a bunch of pinko libs about the weather and everything else that can possibly be pinned on them.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

Yeah, the pinko media gave Bill a pretty hard time, too. We just forget that because the GOP has been in charge most of the time. I doubt he or Carter felt they were coddled by the fourth estate.

I’d be afraid of a government that didn’t have the media to answer to. I think it would be far more corrupt than now if that’s even fathomable). Keep in mind that those yahoos work for us, whether you voted for them or not, and they have to tell us what we’re up to. Since we can’t get an audience with them one-on-one, the media is the conduit through which we need to communicate.

And trust me on this one: For every pinko lib you see in front of a camera or a word processor, there is an editor behind them more concerned about fairness than agendas, and a publisher behind them knowing that there is no profit to be made if the job isn’t well done.

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

The ten minute Secys. of State photo-op was vintage Bush. All image and no substance. Bush government is real simple: “Big dogs eat first” with pablum for the “morons and troglodytes? King “Grab the Cash” George floods corporations with moolah, and they in turn pad his campaign coffers. The little guy gets screwed again. Oops, that’s right, we get “Schiavo” and the War, sorry.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

That ain’t Bush, pal; that’s Darwinism. The lesson is to work your fanny off to be the Big Dog rather than whining about being the Little Guy.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

WahingtonState,

I think it was “AntiRadical” that has some experience with the Medicare plan if you are trying to get help with the plan maybe he/she can help. The AARP supported it, so their web site may be of some help.

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

4:20

By Daniel

January 31, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Hey, Dr R: Where do I apply for my Chinese loan?

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

finch,

Whatever the Democrat “stategery” was, they looked like fools and Alito doesn’t strike me as anywhere near the way they painted him, so they aren’t likely to have their “I told you so” moment. He would almost have to advocate returning to Jim Crow to get close to the way Kennedy described him.

The Sunni/Shia difference did strike me as a problem. Too bad blind partisans just try to pump up the phony “50% think it’s a good thing to attack Americans” line instead of pointing to the real issue in the poll. Of course the 150 hardliners added in at the end probably had something to do with the numbers.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

ML: Excellent job on the Coretta Scott King drawing.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Dunno, ask Leon Panetta. The Clinton crowd was peddling off state secrets a few years back to anybody from the mainland with a checkbook.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Agreed. A grand lady, bless her soul.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

That King cartoon is very nice, I agree with Andy. Thanks ml!

Too bad Josh and Midori had to take shots at Bush there too, I’m glad you closed the comments.

By Midori

January 31, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

RW,

can you read? where did I take “potshots” at ANYONE????

Funny how Josh’s post is still up on that thread, huh?

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

It bears mentioning that while we sit here and swap views and vitriol in our little blogs, safely distanced from each other. Nobody’s turning water hoses or sicking police dogs on us. What Martin and Coretta King and their supporters had to go through pales next to anything we pampered little boomers have to endure.

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Not to mention us generation X’ers.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

Midori,

You know damn well what you meant with your compliment to Josh. You already proved during the Alito hearings that you have zero class, you just try to hide behind other peoples words.

By Midori

January 31, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

I wonder if I said I stubbed my toe, would you start yelling that “I hate Bush” or “I blame Bush” or “I’m taking shots at Bush”?

Actually, he’s not my type.

He’s ALL yours.

enjoy.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

Midori: You might want to take another peek at that thread, cartoon boy took down all of the snarky disrespectful anti Bush comments.

By Midori

January 31, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

RW,

All of your taste is in your mouth

By Midori

January 31, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I saw that he deleted ALL of the comments.

The last I looked, there were only 3.

And I didn’t say one word about Bush.

I had been following Josh’s comments on other threads, hence the compliment.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Andy,

It would have been nice to be able to tastefully pay our respects on that thread. I am amazed that there isn’t a single topic that doesn’t bring out the Bush bashers. Maybe that’s why ml never did a tribute to Rosa Parks.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Midori,

You’re also a bald faced liar.

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

I’m a chicken hawk!

By Andy

January 31, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Midori: You are dissembling, true to your liberal form, I quote you: “Josh, I like the cut of your jib.” This followed on Josh’s comment about watching Bush closely tonite to see if you would want to hang around his friends or some such madness like that.

RW: It is sad, you would think the one thing we could all agree on would be our respects for Mrs. King and her very honorable life.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Boys and girls, go to your rooms if you can’t get along and play nice.

By Josh

January 31, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

MIDORI: These little people are all insects - no more, no less. Ever shall it be so. Always remember that. Your star shines brightly, while theirs is besmudged by the excrement that is their…lives.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Or maybe you two should get a room.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Josh,

Only a little person would post the very first comment on a tribute to the “First Lady” of the Civil Rights movement and use it to trumpet their own pettiness. I think you have a mirror near your keyboard.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Star shines brightly? You hear that Midori? Josh has got a thing going on.

By Dr R

January 31, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Well she does like the cut of his jib and all. Ah, young love …

By getalife

January 31, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

ML: Excellent job on the Coretta Scott King drawing.

I agree Mike, very nice.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Where did the phony picture go?

By getalife

January 31, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

RW,

I deleted it due to your comments.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I read it, that was an anonymous comment.

By getalife

January 31, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

RW,

Just kidding, it was pretty lame.

What happened to the comments for the new drawing?

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

getalife,

People just started their usual Bush bashing, so I guess ml put a stop to it.

By getalife

January 31, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

RW,

Guess we can comment it here. I think it is one of his best.

By Norma

January 31, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Mike: Very moving tribute to Mrs. King.

King Family: May your hours of breavement Be somewhat less to bear Just by knowing, others sympathize and most sincerely care.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

getalife,

ml does great tribute cartoons when someone dies. I guess there isn’t much money in the obituary cartoon business, though. The one he did for Lewis Grizzard is a classic.

By andy

January 31, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Six Dead in Calif. Post Office Shooting By TIM MOLLOY Associated Press Writer

GOLETA, Calif. — A former postal worker who had been put on medical leave for psychological problems shot five people to death at a huge mail-processing center and then killed herself in what was believed to be the nation’s deadliest workplace shooting ever carried out by a woman.

The attack Monday night was also the biggest bloodbath at a U.S. postal installation since a massacre 20 years ago helped give rise to the term “going postal.”

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

Today I helped a child with cerebal palsy walk a distance of five feet on their new walker.

Today I allowed a child with CMV to use a spoon independently to feed himself, something he had never done before but wanted desperately to do.

Today a child with autism arranged the letters in his name successfully.

These are small accomplishments to some, but great accomplishments for them. I smile with them at their successes.

By finch

January 31, 2006 07:27 PM | Link to this

RW,

I wish I could have seen the Grizzard cartoon. You’re right about commemorative ones. No market for them.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

Remember faithful followers of Lord Bush: Every time he tells a lie, mispronuncicates a word, or says “9-11” you have to do a shot. Careful now!

By Paul

January 31, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

RW - what the hell would you or the other little wingnut punks/weaklings know about “civil rights”?? The more you self-loathing freaks speak up, the more you reveal layer after layer of human ignorance. Now climb into your greasy little beds, think of Bush, and fondle yourselves. Hit don’t git no better’n that fer u hicks.

By Marion of Texas

January 31, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

Mike, thank you for the beautiful tribute to a compassionate and loving woman, Coretta Scott King. She will be missed.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Far more than you, clown.

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

Kimberly:

I believe you meant to say mispronunciates.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

Paul: You sound like a man who speaks from experience. I can sense the confidence in your words that you know what you speak of. I must ask, since I’m not as worldly as you, do you think of John Kerry or Al Gore when you fondle yourself? Is it really that exciting that you can think of nothing better?

Are these pinkos weird or what?

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

Paul, Man I missed you at the Somber Reptile the other night. I know, you were out cyber-stomping on conservatives. Well, the Somber Reptile is no longer, progress and all.

So now, if you ever see a guy with a tattoo of the “Trail of Tears” on his left forearm, you be sure to let me know what you think. Agreed?

Hint: I hang out at The Highlander, near The Virginia Highlands, Atl.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this

ObOb, haha! No, he doesn’t just mispronounce words, Hon, he mispronuncicates. It’s part of his strategery for keeping us all saferer. Rememember now: Lie = 1 shot, Mispronuncication = 1 shot, “9-11” = 1 shot. And if he says “We’re safer-er now,” you have to drink the whole bottle, ‘cause you know you’re screwed anyway! Haha! GOOD LUCK, CAMPERS!

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this

I’m pretty sure the correct grammar is mispronounces, but I didn’t want to be too mean.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

When he was dating Laura, he said, “Come on, Baby” and she said “No! No! Get off me!” and he said, “Do you want me to wear a propy-lastic?” HAHAHAHA!

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

Nice try Kimberly! Cover-up is obviously not exclusive to the Republicans.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Great news about the children you’re working with. The little things we take for granted really come into focus reading that.

By Midori

January 31, 2006 08:09 PM | Link to this

Where’s Ricky? I want to see his head explode.

I just heard on Countdown that Cindi Sheehan has a ticket to attend the SOTU.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 08:09 PM | Link to this

ObOb, if you’re trying to diss my competence and embarrass me, you should (a) know that I make a decent living as a writer, and (b) GET IN LINE. Personally, I like to use humor to get through the dark times. You can do what you like, while we still have one or two freedoms left, Mmmmm ‘KAY dear?

By Semper Fi

January 31, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

Alright folks, our Commander-in-chief is coming on in about 50 minutes. You liberals that prefer slick talking snake oil salesmen don’t want to miss it. Might get some more hate ammo.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 08:11 PM | Link to this

OO: Yes, it would be better if you didn’t rattle the pinkos cage, they are already in a highly agitated state. Kimberly is doing shots, Paul is playing with his wee wee and oddball gay finch is probably holding wifey-pie’s hand seeking affirmation of his manhood from her. There is something other wordly about Bush that brings out the beast in these liberals. I have no idea what it could be.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

Maybe this’ll be the year he becomes a UNITER, not a DIVIDER. This year he’ll tell us to stop hating, and that it’s UN-American to call your fellow Americans “pinkos” and “moonbats” and that only by coming together can we solve problems and work for a stronger, more unified America!

Nahhhhh…..

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

OO, how old are the little kids? I can imagine how it makes you feel to see those kids overcome their adversities. Handicapped kids simplicity is rather pure.

By Midori

January 31, 2006 08:17 PM | Link to this

which came first: the snake or the snake oil salesman?

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, Bush has already set himself up for your favorite… criticism. In an interview today i saw him say he will encourage cogress to be civil in their discourse. So there you go, Cheey told pecker face somebody to go “f” themselves. So just ignore what peckerface had said about Cheney and go with that. It’s criticism.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

Midori, um… the one who was on top?

By Bill

January 31, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

RE: “By I hope ML gets cancer and dies.”

Takes a certain brand of human being to write/say anything like that. A sickness almost beyond comprehension. But not quite. That’s what a life of bitterness and hatred will do for you. People become what they do.

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this

Scooter:

You, of all people, know what those little purists do for me. Little humans unencumbered in so many ways that matter.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

Scoot, you mean he’ll encourage the Republicans in Congress to let the minority party actually participate? WOW! That’s exciting. ‘Cause you know, they haven’t even had SESSION yet this year, until today. See, I watch C-SPAN so I can see what’s happening without the reporters’ spin. And I’ve seen the Repubs completely shut down any attempt by duly elected congressmen to do anything, even to the point of shutting off microphones and walking OUT on hearings that were not legally adjourned! Imagine! But now they’re going to cooperate…. GREAT!

Baby steps…. we can do it y’all!

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 08:30 PM | Link to this

Scooter: Or those infamous words by Cheney can be heard here.

By RW

January 31, 2006 08:30 PM | Link to this

RW - puhleeze! THIS is your life - your entire life. And that life is a stench in the nostrils of the very word, “decency.” Typical over-fed ego with matching under-fed intellect. Another blob mopped up from the mensroom floor.

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

Scooter: Oops, give it time to download.

By Scooter

January 31, 2006 08:33 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, that may happen if the minority party was offering more than hindsight opportunistic criticisms. You know, if they had ideas beyond failed socialist policies that solidify power with government and the political class. They will regulate away our opportunities and leave us all in mediocrity.

Personally, I would use Cheney’s expression to reply to 95 percent of today’s minority party.

By Semper Fi

January 31, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

The sad thing about tonights speech is that about 40 percent will give it an OK to excellent, another 40 percent has already decided they hate it and another 20 will decide based on hair style or color of suit.

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 08:52 PM | Link to this

R.W.: Do you really want the award bad enough that I should let your last post ride?

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 08:52 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

I bet the “news” stories have already been written just waiting to hit send as soon as the speech ends. It would be great if the President would do something like announce that due to national security interests he has signed an executive order and the rigs are on the way to ANWR, then watch the scramble begin.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

OO,

My last post before the one to “Semper Fi” is at 8:08. The 8:30 was a jealous admirer.

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 08:58 PM | Link to this

R.W.: So you are saying that it should stay where it is? O.K.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

OO,

As much as I want it, I can’t take it under false pretenses. I like it around your neck anyway.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Cindy couldn’t handle it, she freaked out.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:06 PM | Link to this

You guys need a better class of protester. Mama Moonbat couldn’t wait until President Bush got in there to unfurl her banner?

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

Where’s that drunken camera hog Kennedy at? Did anybody go get him at the bar?

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

See he’s wearing a blue tie. Reaching out across the aisle I say.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:19 PM | Link to this

No surrender so far, pinkos. It’s not looking good for y’all.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

Yeah, let’s win first and then come home. How about that for a concept?

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:24 PM | Link to this

The democrats remained seated during the applause showing solidarity with the troops. Nice.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:25 PM | Link to this

They didn’t like the 20/20 hindsight comment much either.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

See B S shuts down the sound for the tribute to Dan Clay, typical.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

kimberly,

Can we do shots for Hillary eye rolls too?

Barkeep!!

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:32 PM | Link to this

I believe Kennedy shut the bar down. Where’s he at?

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:35 PM | Link to this

Hey, Alito hasn’t changed a thing. The Supreme Court still sits with the Democrats. What was all the fuss about?

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

Barkeep!! Hit me with another Hillary special.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

It’s official, the democrats are against not being hit again by Al Qaeda.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:40 PM | Link to this

NOOOOOOO…..Not permanent tax cuts!!!!! The Democrats might leave on this one.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

It’s official, the democrats want to take back the $880 billion dollars that Bush gave taxpayers.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

Barkeep!!

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:44 PM | Link to this

Standing ovation by the Democrats for letting Social Security go broke? Go figure.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:48 PM | Link to this

Help people with Health Savings Accounts, Dems sit on their hands.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

It’s official, democrats are against a life of personal responsibility.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 09:57 PM | Link to this

It’s official, democrats are for legislating from the courts.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

Breyer looked happy about Alito, I bet he’s just glad he doesn’t have to serve the coffee anymore.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 10:00 PM | Link to this

finch,

We covered that, she had a premature protestation. Try to keep up.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this

Somebody wake Hastert up, that’s not right.

By Andy

January 31, 2006 10:04 PM | Link to this

Now we get to hear about the “bounce” in his ratings, that’s how the pinkos will play it for the next several weeks.

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 10:09 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I thought the best part was we never heard the “new spending” laundry list. It was defense, innovation, personal responsibility, and spending cuts. Sweet!!

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

And now from the party that has all the answers, knows how to achieve peace in the four corners of the world, can balance any budget, solve any ill…the 18 day Governor of Virginia.

Where’s Teddy?

By finch

January 31, 2006 10:17 PM | Link to this

Tryin’ to keep up, RW!

I saw where you guys noted Chris Matthews mentioning Cindy was gonna be there, and someone said Cindy freaked out ‘cause she couldn’t handle it.

I thought her being arrested was new! Must be my computer’s fault. Yeah, that’s it.

By Jay not jay

January 31, 2006 10:18 PM | Link to this

Goodnight my fellow Americans. As the flu hits hard, I would rather listen to a dozen cats attempt to climb a chalkboard than the screaming memes that are sure to ensue.

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

Another State of the Union Address like all those before his. But wait, I liked this part “Hindsight alone is not wisdom and second-guessing is not a strategy.” Where do the liberals go from here?

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

Well at least my wife says this guy has a nice chest, she just wishes he would get out of the way so she could see it better.

(I think it’s a hutch)

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 10:27 PM | Link to this

JayNot: Feel better soon!

By Phil

January 31, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

Praise Jesuss! What a magnificent, inspiring leader we have. He mentioned all the good stuff except for “I am not a crook.” An oversight doubtlessly. Wonder how many bottles of life support he downed prior to this, his latest travesty. Seems he’s beginning to believe his own - - - - ! God bless Murca!

By nucular

January 31, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this

Yup. Now let’s get busy and do what Republicans do best: kill some more American troops in Quaziquaziland.

By SS57

January 31, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Bush really told it like it is. I bet all you pig lovers feel proud.

By John Turner

January 31, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

Everybody knows we’re doing a bad thing in Iraq, it’s just that some folks think It’s Good To Do Bad Things. The Bush administration chanting “what’s foul is fair, what’s fair is foul” as they stir the pot may seen a ridiculous image in this country, but doesn’t look so silly to those who once looked the U.S. for world leadership and who now see us slipping down the same road of collective madness that Russia and China have both tread. Bush rhetoric is quite similar to that heard during Stalinist purges, and neoconservative activism has a lot in common with the Red Guard waving their Little Red Books.

In fact, accusations of “pinkism” against Bush foes are ludicrous. Neoconservatives are Trotskyites who don’t use the name but otherwise play the game. They are not right-wing, they are not G.O.P. Republicans and they are not devout Christians. Why does everyone think they are all these things? Lots of chanting over the cauldron kids: “what’s foul is fair, what’s fair is foul… .”

By SS57

January 31, 2006 10:47 PM | Link to this

Whatever sounds good, its nothing like a good pep rally.

By kimberly

January 31, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

Hmmm… After reading Scooter’s last response to me, I’m inclined to think he doesn’t WANT to get along. Surely it’s the Scotch filtering that message in my mind…

Scoot… are you saying YOU DON’T WANT COOPERATION between Americans? Huh? Buddy? Patriotic citizen? I just want to be sure that it’s not me, you know. Who is the obstacle to unifying our once-great nation into a strong, proud people again? No… say it ain’t so! Oooo… there’s another shot in this bottle. Yay!

Seriously Dude. If a divided and venom-filled America is what YOU WANT, then be a man and SAY IT. All of you. Stop accusing the “pinkos” of dividing us if the truth is that YOU just flat out hate us. G’head big boy. Say it. The truth shall set you free.

By Objective Observer

January 31, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this

Nancy Pelosi vows that the Democrats will fight Health Savings Accounts to the bitter end. Big Daddy, what do you say to that?

By RW-(the original)

January 31, 2006 11:19 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

HSA’s were part of the Medicare prescription drug bill. I know you’re asking Big Daddy, but isn’t she tilting at windmills now?

By pinko rebel

January 31, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this

SOS— Same Old Stuff from Shrub. It was great to see Democrats sitting on their hands when the President endorsed making tax cuts for the rich permanent. Now there’s an idea that needs to be killed!

The rich getting these tax cuts were supposed to fuel the economy with new investment funds. That hasn’t happened.

Instead, the economy’s barely coasting, while the federal deficit (what the US owes China, Japan, etc.) hits record highs daily.

“…by virtually every measure, the current economy has performed worse than in all past business cycles, including the early 1990s, which was a period of major tax increases. He finds that by creating these excessive permanent deficits, the tax cuts have lowered our future standard of living.”

And it was good to see the Democrats just plain MOCKING Shrub’s plan to “privatize” Social Security.

Privatize. Oh, great! Just like he tried to privatize, I mean commercialize perscriptions for the elderly with the new Schedule D. More money for drug companies and insurance giants, while millions of Medicare recipients find out their drug coverage doesn’t cover the drugs they can’t live without. Isn’t that special?

Or as the Journal-Constitution so eloquently put it Tuesday: “As the consulting firm DiamondCluster asks on the front of its report on health savings accounts: ‘Who would have thought, when the Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003 was passed, that some of the biggest beneficiaries would be financial institutions and payment processors?’

“So it wasn’t about helping the elderly struggling to pay for their prescription drugs?”

It’s a given. When Shrub starts talking “privatization”, check your pockets. His proposed overhaul of Social Security will just mean mountains of fees, commissions and other charges as greedy money “managers” steer consumers to highly profitable investments. Profitable for those “managers”, that is.

Bush is leading the reverse Robin Hoods!! Steal from the poor and middle class and give it to the rich! He’ll go to hell for this.

By AntiRadical

February 1, 2006 05:19 AM | Link to this

Why the Reps imagined that GWB could make a “Hail-Mary” with any speech whatsoever is beyond me. Same old sloganeering with no substance.

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 **

“MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”- Propaganda catapulted, Mr. President. (Sorry Reps, I couldn’t resist that one)

By AntiRadical

February 1, 2006 05:21 AM | Link to this

“I can only speak to myself.” —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

At least the President’s honesty is improving!

By Andy

February 1, 2006 05:28 AM | Link to this

Right again, AntiR:

By AntiRadical

January 26, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

In an aside, the US military decided to release 5 Iraqi women, today; bowing to the demands of the captors of American journalist, Jill Carroll. I thought that the US didn’t negotitate with terrorists??? Seeing the “Mental Midget� waffle around and violate every principle he ever “mouthed� is becoming an entertainment bonanza.

With the incredible ineptitude of our military command and their complete lack of comprehension regarding psy-ops, if we get out of this thing with our shirts, we will be very lucky indeed. Jill Carroll made her own bed with full foreknowledge. Let’s save the little darling if we can but let’s not prostitute ourselves in the process!!!

By Andy

February 1, 2006 06:18 AM | Link to this

Why is it that when some network news reader gets injured in Iraq, he gets more press and sympathy than the soldiers?- The Vent, 2/1/06.

DATELINE: BAGHDAD: Latest incidents show ‘everybody is a target’ in Iraq

I had no idea a roadside bomb could pick and choose who to injure and kill. Go figure.

HUTA syndrome among liberal journalists is all the more reason to believe everything they say, right pinkos?

By candide

February 1, 2006 06:25 AM | Link to this

My hero: the soldier wrongly sent to Iraq who shoots his officer and comes home!

By Ricky

February 1, 2006 07:23 AM | Link to this

candide, obviously you don’t understand the military. The officer is stuck there just like his soldiers

By delta refugee

February 1, 2006 07:44 AM | Link to this

I see that Bush’s speech did nothing to bring the American people together.

By delta refugee

February 1, 2006 07:46 AM | Link to this

Whenever you feel like getting away-FLY DELTA.

By Semper Fi

February 1, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

So while liberals fuss and complain about the 2200 dead soliders in IRAQ(like they care) advocate having enlisted men shot their officers. This would probably be about 5000 -10000 more american deaths and the killer would be a liberal hero. That explains why the terroist now seems to be the liberals hero. You people are scary. But it does go along with Paul, earlier wanting to kill everyone that voted for Bush. Such great Americans.

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Why is todays ML cartoon blocked for comment?

Remember, it Feburary……all negro, all the time.

By Jesus

February 1, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

Grinch, some lefties were overly compassionate and understanding in the first two post, it was sad. It is a moving toon though.

By SS57

February 1, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

Semper Fi, who made you an expert on liberals? I guess any time you hear someone say something stupid its easy to just call them a liberal and stick your chest out as if you’ve accomplished something.

So when did you graduate from Parris Isand?

By finch

February 1, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

It’s incredible to me that the BushBoths take every word that terrorist nuts like Zawahiri utters with such fear and trembling.

True Americans nod knowingly when Zawahiri writes that *“More than half of the battle is taking place on the battlefield of the media… .” This is propaganda 101, sports fans. Meanwhile, BushBots quiver in panic. They confer far more power on Mr. Z than he really has. You can bet he loves it.

While back in Iraq, the birth of a civil war continues:

A bomb exploded alongside a group of Iraqi men waiting for work in eastern Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least eight and wounding more than 50, as a key Sunni Arab leader threatened to call for a nationwide “uprising” unless the Shiite interior minister is replaced.

As is nearly always the case, no Americans were killed or injured in this attack.

And Bush’s promise in his SOTU speech not to abandon our “Iraqi allies” got a predictable, timeworn response in Iraq:

“That did not sit well with those Iraqis who are weary of the continued violence and lack of basic services such as water and electricity, and believe things would get better if the Americans went home.”

Oh well, civil war in Iraq was probably inevitable. Just as Yugoslavia fell apart after Tito’s demise, Iraq was doomed after the removal of Tito-like Saddam.

But leave it to the neocon BushBots to try and extinguish a smoldering fire with gasoline (in this case a premature, ill advised poorly planned invasion), making a bad situation worse.

What a horrible waste of American time, money, and lives.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

Well then, let’s just hear from the “Bushboths:”

Al-Zawahri hails ‘victory of Islam’ in Iraq- ‘You have been defeated,’ al-Qaida’s No. 2 says of President Bush in video- PMSNBC 1/6/2006

I have no idea how to address a crackpot statement such as this- the BushBoths take every word that terrorist nuts like Zawahiri utters with such fear and trembling. It’s just simply insanity to even say something like that. Who may I ask, is calling for surrender to these pieces of excrement? Bush?

I wonder if this oddball gay finch is playing with himself as he types in about the “birth of a civil war?” Does this pervert not sound excited? Since there is no civil war, how else will he achieve release from his enjoyment? A homosexual encounter? Will his partner cry out that he enjoys being abused? Will they play bad America/ good Al Qaeda sex games?

It takes a very special “breed” of “person” to hope and pray and search the internet for signs of the defeat of a country that you are sucking dry with your leach like exploitation.

I guess it’s how you pinko libs get your rocks off. Have fun while you can.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

finch, it must be difficult to have aligned yourself with a group who depends on failure. They now have to work to ensure their predictions come true. Bush asked for resolve and who is working to destroy that resolve? The Iraqi trainees need sufficient time to train so they can defend their new freedom. Who is working to withdraw our troops prematurely, leaving the half trained Iraqis to be slaughtered (like Bush 41 did the Kurds)? Al Jazeera airs god only knows what and the US tries to buy paid advertising/propaganda to help win the hearts and minds of Iraqis and who ensures this is not allowed? If a soldier shoots an unarmed and injured insurgent, because you never no if they are wired to pop, who will demand a Court Marshall of that soldier? UBL called us a paper tiger because ewe will run form any battle and who is reinforcing that belief? The list of democrat actions that work directly against our success is too long to recite but it is almost like anything they do is to ensure Iraq fails so they can’t get back to “progressing� us closer and closer to socialism.

Finch, this thing may not work out and I will say it was better to have tried and failed than to never have tried at all. However, if Iraq becomes some sort of semi-peaceful representative government and that starts a tide in the Middle-East, what are you going to say? Let me guess, oh the Middle-East was unstable before Bush came to office and it was bound to fail eventually. Many on the left used that to minimize Reagan’s economic impacts on the U.S.S.R. so just reuse it.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Things that real men say:

The al Qaeda terror network that attacked our country still has leaders — but many of its top commanders have been removed. There are still governments that sponsor and harbor terrorists — but their number has declined. There are still regimes seeking weapons of mass destruction — but no longer without attention and without consequence. Our country is still the target of terrorists who want to kill many, and intimidate us all — and we will stay on the offensive against them, until the fight is won.

Things that pervert immoral morphodite liberals say:

Oh well, civil war in Iraq was probably inevitable. Just as Yugoslavia fell apart after Tito’s demise, Iraq was doomed after the removal of Tito-like Saddam. But leave it to the neocon BushBots to try and extinguish a smoldering fire with gasoline (in this case a premature, ill advised poorly planned invasion), making a bad situation worse.

Which side are you on?

By finch

February 1, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Things that real men say:

“Al Qaeda was never in Iraq until after the US invasion. Even now, the al Qaeda linked terror cell headed by Jordanian born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi remains a a small player in the Iraqi unrest. Osama bin Laden has never even been to Iraq. To link the war against terror with the invasion of Iraq, a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11, is an exercise in intellectual disonesty.”

Real men seek the truth. BushBots search for rationalizations.

Which side are you on?

Scooter,

I do not endorse a unilateral withdrawl from Iraq. Colin Powell was right. We broke it, it’s ours. But if we strive to prevent civil war there, we’ll be there forever. A genuine, realistic exit strategy, one that goes beyond tired “stay the course” rhetoric would be nice.

My primary argument is that the US should never have gone there in the first place. And those who made the decision to invade (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz among others) must be held accountable for their stupid, deadly, disastrous handling of US foreign policy and military power.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Women told the task force that they believe they were lied to. “If I had known that there was an existing living human being whose life would be terminated, I would have factored that into my considerations, and I surely would not have submitted to the procedure, and I would not have consented to it.”

Just excuses for behavior regretted in hindsight? Maybe. But when you consider the heart-wrenching life-and-death finality of abortion, and the perversely unnatural mainstream acceptance (at least in our law) of mothers rejecting motherhood in the most final way … we ought to listen.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Grinch are you a racist?

By finch

February 1, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Another mediocre grade for Bush’s SOTU speech.

Robert Novak says Bush is all hat and no cattle.

gadem, good heavens! I’m not a racist. Whatever gave you that idea??

By the way, do you still beat your wife?

By Andy

February 1, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Rice: Iraq trained al Qaeda in chemical weapons Thursday, September 26, 2002 Posted: 1:28 PM EDT (1728 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Bush’s national security adviser Wednesday said Saddam Hussein has sheltered al Qaeda terrorists in Baghdad and helped train some in chemical weapons development — information she said has been gleaned from captives in the ongoing war on terrorism.

Honesty? What would a pervert lib know about honesty?

By Andy

February 1, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Iraqi funds, training fuel Islamic terror group

World > Middle East from the April 02, 2002 edition

Two Iraqi Arabs held in a Kurdish prison tell of contacts among Ansar al-Islam, Al Qaeda, and aides to the Iraqi president.

Honesty? What would a pervert lib know about honesty?

By Andy

February 1, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

What Robert Novak actually said:

Robert Novak

Bush pleases neither side as he heads toward middle

February 1, 2006

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

WASHINGTON — President Bush, at a low point of popularity, took the course of conciliation in his fifth State of the Union address, which downgraded conservative themes.

Partisanship, maybe?

Honesty? What would a pervert lib know about honesty?

By sickoftheneocons

February 1, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

President Bush’s national security adviser Wednesday said Saddam Hussein has sheltered al Qaeda terrorists in Baghdad and helped train some in chemical weapons development — information she said has been gleaned from captives in the ongoing war on terrorism.

OF COURSE if Condi says it it has to be true. Wasn’t she relying on those oh so reliable intelligence reports when she made that report?

By Andy

February 1, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Money Novak quote:

The speech, therefore, appeared to be a calculated decision by the White House to try to lower the intensely partisan tone in Washington. Bush was trying to appear moderate in contrast with the fiercely partisan Democrats in Congress, typified by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)

Translation: Bush is acting like an adult while the pervert libs throw a fit. Very perceptive, that Novak is.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

By finch

February 1, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Another mediocre grade for Bush’s SOTU speech.

Robert Novak says Bush is all hat and no cattle.

So you would think this is a headline or possibly a quote from Novak’s article, wouldn’t you? Well read the article and see if you can find it-

Novak column

So now we are making up quotes to add life to our constant pathological lying. Very nice.

sicko: Are you totally hopeless, man? Why don’t you reasearch if you do’t believe me, like I have to do with every word you pervert libs say?

How’s the chimanzee?

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Finch, if you don’t think we should have gone there in the first place that’s fine. In my previous post I tried to distinguish you from others by saying “aligned yourself with”.

So, you say that we should have never gone in, but do you think we need the UN’s help in the war on terrorism? Did you argue we should not alienate our “allies”, France, Russia, Germany and the UN? Assuming you do think we need the UN’s help in fighting the global war on terrorism, do you think their resolutions and threats should be taken seriously by those receiving the threats? Iran may be warned by the UN that they have to give up their nuclear ambitions, but no sooner than 13 years from now. What a precedent we have set.

Since you don’t think we should have personally enforced UN Resolution 687, how did you know for a certainty there were no WMD’s? The inspectors left before Clinton launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998 and were not allowed back in until Bush began beating the war drums, for months while Saddam staled, in the UN Security Council. Does the fact that the same democrats who criticize now were saying Saddam was a great threat, in 1998, bother you at all? Does the fact we found out the UN monitoring program was corrupt give you any reason to pause in advocating they should’ve been allowed to continue along the status qoe? Does the fact that both the Kay and Duelfer reports stated Saddam was pursuing the end of sanctions so he could reconstitute his programs bother you at all? Does the fact that both reports stated Saddam was mastering dual use technologies hinder you criticisms?

What will you say if it works?

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Well “finch” is certainly quick to defend himself from an implication that wasn’t made about him.

finch,

I doubt “gadem” could beat himself, much less his wife.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

I said The Grinch not finch…

By gadem

February 1, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

RW I am a lover not a fighter….fighting is for those that can not solve problems intellectually.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

gadem,

I was standing up for you against that hideous charge the “finch” made, albeit in a snarky way.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

I know, just some good natured ribbing on my part.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Since it’s good natured and all, maybe you were one of the people that Reagan was talking about when he said, “They were holding up signs saying ‘Make love,not war’, they didn’t look capable of either.”

By Andy

February 1, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

It’s 10:59:00 E.S.T. February 1, In the Year of our Lord 2006, and the United States still hasn’t surrender to the vile, despicable religious extremist terror masters nor has “civil war” broken out in Iraq, but y’all pinko libs keep trying, there’s always hope.

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

gadem, no, I am a negro….are you a gay demeocrat?

By gadem

February 1, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Are you a homo-sexual republican…cause everyone knows that republicans are some of the most sexually repressed people aside from catholic priests…

By Andy

February 1, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Republicans Have Better Sex Lives Than Democrats- AB.S. News

Keep it up, gaden, maybe, I say maybe someday you’ll get something right.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Gadem, when I used to feel sexually repressed I would go to The Chamber or Masquerade to find me some good liberal cat slingers. Boy do they know how to handle their cat, from experience I’m sure. The best are the tattooed and pierced activist (tell them you do environmental work and it is on, or off) and since I was a rabid liberal they are easily convinced. Now I’m happily married, to a conservative woman, but boy I was repressed in my single days?

By Andy

February 1, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

By Khaled Meshaal, KHALED MESHAAL is head of the political bureau of Hamas. This piece is © Guardian Newspapers Ltd., 2006.

‘We shall never recognize… a Zionist state on our soil’

IT IS WIDELY recognized that the Palestinians are among the most politicized and educated people in the world.

Spoken like a true pinko.

By sickoftheneocons

February 1, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

I think that Republicans have an opinion that they have a good sex life because to a Republican, sex life means having sex at least once a month with the wife in the missionary postition for all of 3 minutes…yeah when weighed against the standard, it’s small wonder that if you have sex TWICE a month then that’s a GREAT sex life! HEHE.

By Ricky

February 1, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Wow this blog has fallen into disrepair

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

This is a lame pi$$ing contest.

After seeing the democrats show pride in their obstructing individual liberty over our social security accounts I just have a hard time thinking they are not the political power mongers. So smart and wouldn’t even attempt a solution to the transition costs, so long as individual liberty was an option.

Ricky, I totally agree but it is fun. I think finch is pondering my questions from above, not.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

sicko: While on the other hand, pinko libs get on with “chimanzees,” dogs and antelopes. They are trying to go totally gay, based on their homo movie assault and they appear to be having much success.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

I would like any Bush supporter to list the strong good points from the SOTU last night. Not just slogans with no substance, but actual ideas and initiatives.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

What were you looking for gadem? The discovery of the fountain of youth? How about if you libs quit obstructing the great ideas he had last year, we’ll clear the table and think up some more for you?

On that same note, can you name any idea or initiative the democrats have had in the last quarter century? Homosexuality doesn’t count.

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

The best point of all and the most telling is the world stood and clapped and Dems sat on their hands.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Anybody want to bet that switchgrass winds up on somebodies endangered species list? That we get some pinko expose and lib books about the over harvesting of switchgrass and it’s contribution to world food shortages? That the converting of switchgrass to fuel causes global warming?

By physicsDawg

February 1, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

I didn’t even watch… couldn’t bear to sift thru the pauses, clapping, and empty statements I knew would be there. I did skim the transcripts, So gadem, this one’s for you:
1. Increased Nucular Energy. I know we’ll always need some coal, and WV needs jobs, but No electricity should ever be generated by fossil fuels.

By physicsDawg

February 1, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

That’s a non-link. I put “Nucular” in brackets, as a joke, since that’s how he pronounces it. But I could be wrong. Anyone who watched see if he said it properly?

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Dawg, I’m sure the reason you didn’t watch the SOTU is because you were watching some mindless sitcom like the rest of the liberals…

By gadem

February 1, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

THe Grinch, I doubt that the World stood and clapped…If the world you are referring to are your xenophobic friends then yes, but I really don’t know where you get the idea that the World is behind George Bush…hell a great majority of America is against him.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

I figured out who oddball gay finch is:

KERRY CLAIMS: 53% OF CHILDREN DO NOT GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL Wed Feb 01 2006 10:43:40 ET

And the Census Bureau’s own website states: 85.9 Percent Of Americans Aged 20-24 Are High School Graduates. (U.S. Census Bureau Website, www.census.gov , Accessed 2/1/06

By physicsDawg

February 1, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Grinch: No, as soon as NCIS ended, we just turned off the TV, and watched the fish-tank. :)

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Are you writing for Rush? He just used your switchgrass/endangered theory.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Bush is trying to kill ground birds by depriving them of insects. There you go libs, consider that a gift.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Grinch I doubt that physicsDawg is a liberal.

By Mark

February 1, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Yeah I think Kerry was way off on that one. Maybe he misspoke. I thought he was off when I heard it too.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

No RW, Andy is just regurgitating what he hears…not enough gonads to think for himself.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

gadem,

Andy said it first. It’s right ^ ^ up there.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 1, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Ichulim everyone! Newcomer to the blogosphere. Looks like fun and sure beats working!

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Welcome Jew… But you must remember that this place is full of Liberals who will support Iran and you know how Iran feels about you guys. Good luck.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 1, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

Thanks Grinch, I think I can handle it :)

By Midori

February 1, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Grinch,

which “liberal(s)” posting here support Iran?

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Grinch, you should have said there are liberals here who hate Bush soo much they will oppose anything he does, even if he is defending Israel.

History has been full of people who told others it’s too hard or it can’t be done and criticized people as they tried to accomplish lofty goals. Unfortunately those people have found a party and a political philosophy, it just smells a lot like socialism and democrats.

By buff

February 1, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Just jumping in for a bit.

I found it interesting when the Dems stood and cheered when Bush said:

“Congress did not act last year on my proposal to save Social Security — (applause) — yet the rising cost of entitlements is a problem that is not going away. (Applause.) And every year we fail to act, the situation gets worse.”

He should have publicly nailed them and challenged them for a SS plan

Also, the Prez said somethings that troubled me

“Our government has a responsibility to provide health care for the poor and the elderly, and we are meeting that responsibility.”

Responsibility, hmmmm? The libertarian in me screams

What is up with the Hildebeast chewing gum and chatting during the SOTU

And, why isn’t the media focusing as much on that GO Congressmans’ wife getting the boot for wearing a pro-military tee shirt, but screeching over that nut case Cindy Sheehan getting arrested?

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Jewish and Proud of it,

They will give lip service to not supporting Iran, right up to the point that President Bush does something about it. Then they will be ready to put your homeland on the endangered list along with the switchgrass.

Welcome!

By Mark

February 1, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Don’t mess with Iran, they’re not Iraq. They will fight to the death and not cower and run like the Iraqi army.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Let’s check the facts

By Paul

February 1, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

C’mon, all you right-wing freaks. Stop the pretense about mourning MLK’s widow. Were it up to you goose-steppers, we’d still be locked into slavery. Why can’t you punkos al least summon up the required scrotal mass to stand up for your own valueless standards??

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

gadem,

Here is one of those substantive things you wanted from the SOTU address.

I have to admit I missed this one last night.

Hi Paul, how’s the asylum today?

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Mark, we understand that. Bush is trying to do it diplomatical right now and Hillary criticizes him for that. Iraq, Bush is an impreialist for isolating our “allies” France, Russia and Germany and going at it unilaterly. Iran, Hillary said it was irresponsible to allow the euro weenies to negotiate guess we are supposed to be unilateral on Iran. It must be nice to be a liberal.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 1, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Thank you RW, I appreciate the welcome. I was born in Akko and grew up in Netanya which is about 12 miles west of Tulkarm in the West Bank. For the first 22 years of my life I’ve listened to the rhetoric of the Eizel so I’m numb to promises and plans. I rely solely on our Hayalim Kedoshim to define the existence of Israel. I wouldn’t put my faith anywhere else.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Paul, black and white tattoo of the Trail of Tears on my left forearm, I look forward to speaking with you in person.

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Gaydem, Nice facts straight from the liberal media who brainwashed you in the first place. Same old liberal crap.

By buff

February 1, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

RW

I get a kick out of the wacko left who thinks we conservatives are fascists, nothing could be further from the truth; they are much closer to that category. They also try to say we support slavery and segregation

Hmm. how about Billy Clinton’s “mentor,” Democratic Senator Fulbright, or Democrat Senator Richard Russell, both segregationists, and, there is always Democratic Governor George Wallace

By kimberly

February 1, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Hi Scooter, I wanted to see if you had answered my question from last night. Remember, you said Bush was instructing the Congress to cooperate with one another, and I said that was a GREAT idea! Then you said, “Personally, I would use Cheney’s expression to reply to 95 percent of today’s minority party.”

Then I asked you, “Are you saying YOU DON’T WANT COOPERATION between Americans?” But you didn’t respond. See, I’m trying to keep an open mind and adjust to my environment accordingly. If what America NEEDS is for us to stop fighting amongst ourselves, to end this division, and to work together to be strong, then I’m thinking perhaps we should all try harder to cooperate. But then YOU expressed what I perceive to be complete disagreement with that idea. Am I wrong? Am I the only one that’s tired of the constant in-fighting that weakens our once-great nation?

If this is the case, and you speak for a large cross-section of Americans, then perhaps I should re-think my position on what it means to be “One Nation, Indivisible….” Care to comment, or just fling some more meaningless labels at me?

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

buff,

It must a new definition. We lay out our plans, make our case to our fellow citizens, ask for their vote, win elections, and do what we said we would in the first place. That is the new moonbat definition of “fascist”.

By Voice of Reason

February 1, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Mark - That would make our job EASIER.

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Buff, don’t forget the beloved Robert “KKK” Byrd

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Grinch,

Byrd voted for Alito, let’s give him a couple of days off.

Voice of Reason,

Your 2:34 lives up to your screen name. Good observation.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

The Grinch, the only things that can be written off as opinion is Iraq and Homeland Security. How can things that don’t fit your ideology be dismissed as crap by you. It is fact that a good majority of oil is imported from Canada (Andy has quoted that figure previously), Congress has denied rebuilding the levees stronger(that can be researched, and the rise in the uninsured can also be labled as fact….so why must it be crap?

By Voice of Reason

February 1, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

RW - The scouting report on Iran has been out for a while.

By Mark

February 1, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Voice, you really think that by standing there and fighting, it would make our job easier. You really think that? You think a country of 75 million people fighting an Army of 125000 will lose? We’re having trouble in a country of 25 million people, some who are on our side. You honestly think we could whip 75 million people who hate us? That’s the tough Neocon crap that has us in the Iraq quagmire right now.

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

He said he wanted to decrease our dependence on foreign oil, not just from the middle east. What is wrong with that? Do think we should keep the dependence from the rest of the world? It’s crazy to rebuild the Levey’s anyway. It will happen again. Unless we can find Bush’s hurricane generating machine. Liberal spin news you got there….

By Voice of Reason

February 1, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

No Mark, it is your thinking that makes people who don’t favor the war look bad. If you had a military background, coupled with some common sense, you would know that our military would obliterate a country like Iran. Our problem is Iraq is that we have an uncoventional enemy. They plant and IED and run and hide. They shoot at us in crowded streets and hide.

The Iranian Imerial Guard or whatever they call themselves, along with Hamas are more proud than that. They actually believe they can go “toe-to-toe” with our military. H-ell, they think they can’t beat the Israeli Army. They are wrong on both accounts.

Iran and Iraq are completely different. If we would have gone to Iran instead of Iraq, our boys would have been home drinkin beer, raisin hell and forcing your to lock your daugther when liberty sounded.

By The Grinch

February 1, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Neocon, I love it when libs find a new word. You are just like a baby that has learned a new word.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

RW @ 01:16 PM: Eerie, isn’t it? I beat him to Kerry’s “graduation” lie, too.

gadem: You’re the one who has absolutely no idea how to vet Condaleeza Rice’s statements about Al Qaeda in Iraq. All you can do is babble that it must be a lie if Condi said it, blah, blah. I wouldn’t be impugning anyone’s intelligence if I were you.

By buff

February 1, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

About the Alito vote

I was surprised that Bayh of Indiana voted against him, and Pryor of Arkansas

Cindy Sheehan just said she was going to file a complaint and/or lawsuit against the Capitol Police “rough treatment” last night

I cannot imagine the pain of losing a child, but, this woman has lost touch with reality. That South American trip???

Plus, she is using his death for publicity purposes. When she is with her goofy allies she is laughing, smiling and having a “big ole time”

By Mark

February 1, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

You know what, forget all the tough talk. When it comes down to it, Bush won’t lay a finger on Iran. Iran’s not a weak sister to Iraq. Neither is North Korea. Funny how the Commander-in-whatever went after the weakest sister of them all, the one who was the least dangerousous of them all. Yeah, he showed em.

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 1, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

You can be sure that Israel, before even the U.S. could act, would deal with Iran the minute we discovered that they had even the most miniscule amount of weapons grade nuclear material. We have a saying where I’m from: Kol Yisrael Arevim Zeh Lazeh and is basically a polite way of saying “Don’t F—- with Israel”

By buff

February 1, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

J and P of it

You are right about Israel taking out an Iranian nuclear reactor, but, the Middle-East would explode

but, I think that is inevitable anyway

By Mark

February 1, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

BTW, I spent 21 years, 8 months in the Air Force. I have a military background. Our technical superiority is doing us a lot of good in Iraq isn’t it? F-16s, B-1s, F-15s, A-10s, F-117s, are all pretty useless right now wouldn’t you say? Tanks are being obliterated by roadside bombs. What do we have after that, street to street combat where we would probably be massacred since they’re not our streets. Grab your helmet and flak jacket and sign up. Bush could use a good soldier like yourself for useless war-mongering.

By Voice of Reason

February 1, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

I was waiting for you (Jewish) to say something. A lot of people don’t know how “capable” the Israeli Army is. Our special forces guys think Isreali’s are crazy! And that should tell you something.

Mark - Of course our fast movers and heavy hitters are useless right now. There are no bases, or concetrated areas for the Air Force to operate. Calls for fire are easily handled by Cobras and other small helicopters. That would be completely different with Iran. A sustained air campaign would pretty much scratch that itch with minimal bodies on the ground.

Your military background should tell you that the two countries are completely different strategically. Besides, Israel would probably lead the road to Tehran.

By buff

February 1, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Mark

I am not talking about war justification, but,

When I heard people screeching about the innocents we are killing in Iraq I want to bang my head on my desk

With our air power and cruise missiles we could destroy any mid-east nation

But we put boots on the ground to try to lessen civilian fatalities

By Mark

February 1, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Isreal lead the road? Yeah just what we need, WWIII. I hope you’re not advocating for that.

By RE

February 1, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

ANyone read Bob Barr today or Pat Buchanan? Both of them were talking about how neocon ideas were putting our country on the wrong track. Are they now considered liberals as well?

Oh yeah, and Bob Barr works for the ACLU

Is it possible to consider that Bush’s policies are not conservative, and are also not helping our security?

By Jewish and Proud of It

February 1, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Since both Israeli men and women have compulsory military service (men for 36 months and women for 24). Every Israeli adult knows what it means to be military (except the Haredim who are exempt). Even some Arab Israelis can serve!

By Mark

February 1, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

I honestly think we do try to limit civilian casualties but we’re just not good at it.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, give a little get a little. Since most of the dems are rabid with hate and give nothing to bipartisanship, unless it is on their terms, I don’t think they will ever get along. The republicrats have tried to hard to get along over the last few decades. Heck, Bush is now adopting the dems vote buying tactics. When the dems start acting like mature adults we’ll get along.

Try this on Ms. Open minded. UN inspectors left Iraq before Operation Desert Fox in 1998. About that time these were the statements of dems;

“There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.—Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.“—Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.“—Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

Now, the inspectors were not allowed back in until Bush began to beat the “wear drums”. Of course this took six months of Saddam staling (with the help of his Oil For Food buddies on the Security Council) like he did for twelve years. But, knowing the above statements were made, when they were made and what those people are saying now, I can understand why they aren’t getting along. It is because these same people will act like they were duped or just ignore those statements altogether

Also, knowing about the above statements could you tell me who is lying and who is willing to stick behind their statements?

By Mark

February 1, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Scooter, those statements don’t mean anything because the Dems didn’t have the power to do anything with them. The minute Bush decided to act on false/incorrect/misleading/whatever you want to call it intelligence, it became his fault and his fault alone. Don’t try to put it on the Dems at all. He’s the “War President”.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. “[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real … Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

By kimberly

February 1, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Actually, Scooter, I wasn’t trying to get on the merry-go-round regarding the justifications for war with Iraq, which is where your quotes seem to point. The issue I’m concerned with at the moment is MY FELLOW AMERICANS. You are quick to point out that the “libs” and Dems have nothing to offer but criticism and “socialist” policies, but I wonder, when was the last time you sat down and listened to anyone who wasn’t spinning for your “side?” Do you ever listen obejctively? REALLY? Or do you just google for quotes that support your version of events? (BTW, your highly-favored label “SOCIALIST” was used by both Nazis - fascists, and Soviets - communists. The current daily flinging of it serves no purpose nor makes any point that I can see.)

So I ask, if the time for cooperation is now, (as you said last night the President encourages), then how do YOU fit in with your statement that you’d tell 95% to Cheney themselves? How does YOUR PERSONAL love affair with spite help make this country a better place?

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Mark, I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that I was trying to put it on the dems. Are those not their statements? Do they not directly contradict what they are saying now? I didn’t know that democrats could hide from past statements, but libs teach me new tactics everyday.

Mark, so after 9/11 and the dems saying all of this (can I mention it now) the president was supposed to allow the corrupt UN Oil For Food Program to continue into its thirtenth, fourtenth years. I assume if we got attacked by something that originated in Iraq the libs would have no criticism of Bush. Do you think I am cookin? It is damned if you do damned if you don’t when you are dealing with opportunistic critics.

Didn’t have the power to do anything about it?

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, I read transcripts of speeches and try to search objective sites. Also, i conceed when pointed to correct info. Do you remember the other day IO conceeded the 43 million dollars in aid, but not directly to the Taliban like some on your side would tell me.

Kimberly when dems can say the statements above and then call Bush a liar for believing the same thing, yeah they can go f themselves. You can defend them and chastize conservatives all you want, if that is what you think will make America a better place. Now I have criticized Andy for chastizing gays, so don’t act like I am the partisan in this discussion

What the F*ck have the dems ever done to try and get along with conservatives?

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, when did I say the time to get along is now? Did you plant that in my mouth so you could start something?

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

It’s discouraging to see GWB throwing in the towel. He’s not always right, he’s not always wrong, despite what many of you think (nobody’s all of one or the other), but up until last night he seemed to be a guy trying to do something at least. Now he’s promoting vague ideas and presidential “commissions” which have zero lasting impact. It’s almost as if you could read between the lines and here him say, “OK you bas—-ds, you win, I give up. I’ll keep fighting terrorists and y’all battle over the rest your ownselves. Three years from now I’ll be kickin’ back on the ranch anyway so what’s the use?”

By kimberly

February 1, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

What the Fck have the dems ever done to try and get along with conservatives?* Well, let’s see Scooter. To keep it on a current topic, they voted FOR ninety-something percent of Bush’s judicial appointments with narry a peep of dissent. That beat the record of the Repubs in the 90s right there. Nineteen Democratic senators voted Yes to Cloture on Monday, effectively stabbing their own in the back. As for the decision in Congress three years ago to support the President, I think they voted to support the President and stood by that, UP UNTIL information came to light that indicated we (all of us) were deceived. Was it Leahy who told Cheney to go f* himself, or was it the other way around? Hmmmm….

So, Scoot…. if it’s okay with you, I’d like to go back to MY question of the day, which is: Just exactly WHO is dividing this country? WHO is the obstacle to being a strong, united people once again? Unlike some folks, I am actually open to meaningful discussion on this issue, as I WOULD LIKE to have hope for our future.

By kimberly

February 1, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

At 8:20 last night, Scooter said: “Kimberly, Bush has already set himself up for your favorite… criticism. In an interview today i saw him say he will encourage cogress to be civil in their discourse. So there you go, Cheey told pecker face somebody to go “fâ€? themselves. So just ignore what peckerface had said about Cheney and go with that. It’s criticism.”

BTW, nice use of the pronoun peckerface.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

To keep it on a current topic, they voted FOR ninety-something percent of Bush’s judicial appointments with narry a peep of dissent. Say what??????????

Watch it Scooter, if you translate “Can’t we all just get along” into english it means “stop kicking my a-ss, next chance I get, I’m going to scratch your eyes out.” This is like pinko 101.

By gadem

February 1, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Scooter, one can not argue that the statements were made. What bothers me is that politicians in general refuse to have a back bone and standup for what they believe in. If you remember correctly, during this time in question, there were a lot of patriotic feelings throughout the country. No one dared question the President or the information that his administration spewed. It was viewed as unpatriotic if one dared to speak out against the Bush Administration. There were quite a few people that were publicly chastised for disagreeing with the war.

By Mark

February 1, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

You tried to put it on the Dems by using all those so statements in a Hannity “gotcha” moment. So what if they said it. They had bad intell like everybody else. They didn’t start the war based on it though, Bush did. Bush even had the nerve to say that if he knew then what he knows now he still would have attacked Iraq. What a crock! He knows damn well he would have not went in if he knew there were no WMDS. If you think he would have then you’re just as delusion as he is.

By kimberly

February 1, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Oh good. Andy wants to play. Andy dear, please help me, will you Sweetness? What percentage of the American population do YOU think falls into the “pinko” category? You use the word A LOT, and you blame “pinkos” for practically everything, so… how many would you say? Just wondering.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Kimberly this is it. I was illustrating what I saw Bush say, not what I thought. Bush said congress should be civil and I was telling you the left can criticize that statement, because Chaney did not live up to that standard. Dang!

By Mark

February 1, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Gotta go. Blog you later.

By kimberly

February 1, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Scooter for your clarification. As it’s been pointed out, Alito’s in, the Dems are spineless and ineffective, and the “side” I’ve been defending is quite possibly both impotent and wrong. As such, I’m trying to better understand how I should adjust and fit in to my new, less-freedom-of-expression, more-marching-in-line environment. As you can imagine, it’s not an easy transition, and I may need help from you nice, patriotic, truth-loving gentlemen.

So… I was right in my assumption that you, personally, do NOT want to try to get along, is that what you’re telling me?

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, are you a US Congreesman or Senator? If not you and I can get along fine, I hang out with mostly liberals, since I used to be one. Three have seen who is fibbing and why, they are know “marching-in-line” (libertarian).

So Mark left, dangit.

Mark, so after 9/11 and the dems saying all of this (can I mention it now) the president was supposed to allow the corrupt UN Oil For Food Program to continue into its thirteenth, fourteenth years. I assume if we got attacked by something that originated in Iraq the libs would have no criticism of Bush. Do you think I am cookin? It is damned if you do damned if you don’t when you are dealing with opportunistic critics.

Bad intel or not it was the intel and the left would rather have trusted the UN and risk it. Did Clinton launch operation desert fox? Did Saddam all of a sudden fall in line after that? Were the inspectors removed prior to desert fox? When did they re-enter and what changed so much that Clinton was willing to launch a half a*******ed uncommitted attack and Bush is a boob for finishing the mission?

By Andy

February 1, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

pink·o- n. Slang pl. pink·os A person who holds moderately leftist political views; a pink.

I’m not making it up.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Sorry, the Oil for Food Program was not in Iraq that long, but the UN was.

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

I turn a little pink when I get too much sun. Does that make me one too? And I enjoy the contributions from our learned, liberal friends in here as well, so that probably clinches it. Maybe we can form a club, get some hats and T-shirts made or something. I’ve mentioned before to my liberal friends that though I tend to side with conservatives more on issues (real conservatives, not the the current crop of parsimonious ninnies), I prefer the company of “pinkos.” The girls are cuter, the ideas flow easier, and they usually have good drugs. And even when you disagree with them, they don’t tell you you’re going to hell (which I may be anyway …)

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

gadem, are excusing the statements because there was a sense of patriotism in the nation after 9/11? You should check out the link and see how many statements were made in 1998.

By Phil

February 1, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Well now. The Rodent has spoken. God’s own drunk. Watching Bush speak - the goofy facial expressions, the mindless little grin, the movement of the arms - is every bit as entertaining as watching a monkey - - - - ing a football.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Thank you Phil!

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Remember the rest of the line: “God’s own drunk … and a fearless man.” For what it’s worth.

By kimberly

February 1, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Andy, thanks for the definition. Good to know, since the word is so widely used here in blog-land.

So, what percentage of Americans do YOU think are deserving of that label? Four in ten? Six in ten? In YOUR opinion.. you know, when YOU use the word? Just curious.

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Question, though: If Bush, with his “goofy expressons” and “mindless grin” got up there and offered a full slate of reforms you agree with, would you still attack his personal appearance? And if they are more akin to your political views, are the Botox-induced Halloween mask visage of Nancy Pelosi and the bloated drunken-uncle Falstaff that is Ted Kennedy less comical to you? Agree or disagree on issues, fine, all fair game. But this “your guy’s stupid and looks funny” wears thin once you get out of middle school.

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

So if Kimberly and Co. are pinkos, what would that make Fidel Castro? A “red-o?”

I still think we need T-shirts ….

By Objective Observer

February 1, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

Paul: Did you grow up in a household where either one or both parents suffered from alcoholism? This question is not intended to be sarcastic. I am just curious.

By Scooter

February 1, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Dr R, yesterday we typed about media bias and how we are big boys that filter it out. By the way, I appreciate the compliment that I seem to have the ability to filter. Back to the point, it is not so much the bias that scares me, as it is the selective reporting.

Here is another conspiracy theory for you. I have always wondered why the media is so dominantly democrat and I think I may have come up with something. Let me run it by you?

I think dems are more likely to “lead” by sticking their moist finger in the poll winds and simply give the people what the polls saythey want. Now, I asked who controls what the people know and want… the media. I have been tumbling the idea that when democrats are in office the media has more control over policy and that may be why they are so liberal. Please take my little unpolished stone/thought out before it gets all smooth and shiney in the tumbler of my mind.

Or it could be the simple answer? They force themselves to see so much negative in the world that they have become idealist for the nanny state?

It scares me how they have the power to shape public opiniion. Thank heavens for Fox News to balance it out!

I’ll catch you in the flip side!

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Perhaps. Another theory I’ve seen is that journalists by nature are trained to question authority figures and the establishment, which often puts them at odds with conservative forces. One phrase to summarize this is that the media’s role is to “comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.” Kinda sounds like something right out of the Dems’ playbook. You create news by reporting conflict, in many cases, and by taking on the status quo, the accepted norm, the paradigm of politics and society. That automatically appears to paint you “pink,” whether you really are or not. The hard part is separating what is true bias and what is perceived bias; in other words, if the viewer/reader occupies a biased position of their own, as most of us do, how can you really judge what is objective?

But keep in mind, again, that the journalists with the most face time and notoriety may tilt to the left (except for George Will and others), but that’s the tip of the iceberg of the number of writers, editors and the like toiling at smalltown papers and radio stations who probably are much more centrist, if not conservative. Don’t let Dan Rather and Sam Donaldson steer you toward painting all with a broad brush.

Let’s just say I have some contacts in the industry that validate my claim.

By Objective Observer

February 1, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

Dr.R.:

By Dr R February 1, 2006 05:40 PM

One phrase to summarize this is that the media’s role is to “comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.�

So would it be safe to assume that their intention is to divide, or am I misunderstanding.

By Bill

February 1, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

Love your analogy, Phil. Bush, the monkey, the football. Picturing it is hysterical.

By Semper Fi

February 1, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

I will have to say that I do not know how many liberals there are, but it is enough to take over a once decent political party.

By Objective Observer

February 1, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

R.W.: Washington State was looking for you at 1:58 P.M.. I hope to be around for your explanation as well, especially as it relates to HSA.

It would seem that HSA’s would allow the people to drive the market thereby being beneficial to all. But won’t some fall through the cracks, or will it free up federal dollars to help those in need?

The gaps between the old and the new always worry me. But something has to be done and then seems like progress to me.

By Offshore911

February 1, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Some of the bloggers here who like to call everyone “pinko” would be perfect fits in totalitarian countries like Cuba, based on their views on civil liberty and individual freedom.

By Objective Observer

February 1, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

R.W.: My problem is, I am a fast typist with a slow and analytical thought process, but the results are the same. Make “then” “this”.

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Yeah, divide at times, stir stuff up at other times, ask tough questions and make people squirm. Face it, the sun coming up in the morning and everybody going happily on their way isn’t news. Stuff happening is news, and a lot of it isn’t good. Even on a slow day, I like to see the media go bare knuckles after all politicians, left and right, because those clowns are our paid employees and we need someone to hold their feet to the fire. They spend our money, they make policy that affects our lives, they run our schools, they send our kids off to war (rightly or wrongly), and they need to answer to us. So, yeah, I want some pi$$ant little reporter with no love life and a chip on his shoulder to make Sen. Blowhard sing to me, loud and clear.

Politicians from both parties lie, cheat and steal, and will do it all day if somebody doesn’t call them on it. You trust those guys more than reporters? Fine, good luck with that. But reporters can’t tax you until your nose bleeds. The media are our paid Rotweilers, trained to attack on sight and kill when necessary. Doesn’t mean you have to pet them and cuddle with them, but they do serve a purpose.

By buff

February 1, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

Ask a student why they want to major in journalism and most often you get the response “because, I want to change the world”

I tell them to change majors and go be a social worker

By Phil

February 1, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

OO. Thanks, but no, absolutely not. The stuff never much agreed with us, mentally or physically. I spent one LE career in which I observed daily the victims of a very controllable “disease.” I.E., wives, children, other family members and loved ones and friends. Ripping open the doors of cars that had been smashed into by drunks. Watching brains and blood running into the streets and sewers. One could go on endlessly. It’s a condition of/for weak people, and those who refuse to deal with it engage in a lifetime pity-party wherein they endlessly destroy lives and make “enablers” out of well-meaning people. It’s inexcusable. And help is immediately available in every tiny town to big city in America. Just look in a phone book some time. Any place. Any time. Anywhere. I don’t tolerate alcoholic addiction in responsible places/positions. It speaks volumes about the person involved. That’s as quick as I can do it. It’s a VERY good question to ask, tho.

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

And if they say they want to make money, send them to biz school.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Wasn’t that yesterday? I really didn’t have much information for him other than to search it out. I think AntiRadical was talking about having some experience with the prescription drug portion of the bill.

The HSA’s are a great thing that give people more control, you might even say more choice. Basically you save money tax free in your HSA and use that money to pay for “routine maintenance” and couple that with a high deductible insurance policy. I don’t think they replace anything.

One thing we need is some serious reform of insurance company regulations, for instance I don’t need to have sex change operations covered in my policy. Do that and some tort reform and we could be in much better shape.

By Andy

February 1, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

kimberly: 45 million some people voted for an absolute clown, a dude that couldn’t remember that his wife was the owner of a “Benedict Arnold” company, he couldn’t remember that his wife owned 10 mansions- a GulfStream jet- 15 or so SUV’s before he accused Bush of “ruining” the environment, he couldn’t remember if he voted for the war or against the war, he told some “hicks” in a red state town where he was doing “hunting” photo op to “git me one dem lisenz,” he ran over a secret service man on the ski slopes and then cussed him out and he never went to work as a senator missing 2 or 3 thousand votes, never authored any legislation, just hung out with Teresa’s money. He’s totally unqualified to be a janitor, never mind president.

To answer your question, I think the 45 million qualify as pinkos.

Offshore911: Who asked you, pinko?

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

Kerry or Bush, what a helluva choice that was. Almost as bad as Bush or Gore.

Where do they GET these bozos, and where are the real leaders out there?

By Andy

February 1, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

DrR: Bush is a real leader. It will all come clear to you some day.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

It looks like Kerry was right about the graduation rate, at least if you follow his nuance.

By Dr R

February 1, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

I admire his desire to kill bad guys and not back down from that, and that alone may be a worthwhile legacy. But Andy, I think it will be clear to you that he’s letting us (being true conservatives) down in many other ways. Like when our kids are paying twice the taxes to pay for his dumba$$ Medicare drug thing passed to win senior votes in Florida. That’s when he lost me and my vote.

Gotta run, guys. Maybe we’ll have a fresh blog in play in tomorrow.

By delta refugee

February 1, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

Bush is a real leader eh? Yeah hes a regular George Custer.

By Objective Observer

February 1, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

Phil: There are probably alot of people who you know and respect who have dealt with alcoholism successfully. It is usually not something that comes up in light-hearted conversation. Recovering means just that, a daily struggle to win the battle. And that must be admired.

I am familiar with the destruction it brings to families. Not me, but a parent who has beat the odds, and hopefully will continue to do so. There is no position more responsible than that of a parent, and definitely a place where one should struggle to overcome.

Do you get my meaning? I appreciate the civil response to my question, I know it was rather personal. Is it really critical to your argument that you refer to President Bush as “God’s Own Drunk”? I believe you can make worthwhile contributions here that I want to enjoy reading.

I’m excited about seeing “Jewish And Proud Of It” here, his/her viewpoints should be very interesting, don’t you agree?

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

There now … nominating a conservative to the Supreme Court wasn’t that scary, was it? Hey, who wants to go again?

Democrats have the most exaggerated reputation for fearsomeness since Saddam Hussein’s vaunted “Elite Republican Guard” — the ones who ran like scared schoolgirls when U.S. forces toppled Iraq in 17 days flat.

There, let Annie sooth your feelings.

By Objective Observer

February 1, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

You are right R.W., it was yesterday, I didn’t do much reading from yesterday. Sorry to make you turn around and go back, I know how men hate to do that.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I didn’t even stop to ask directions.

By Donn

February 1, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Amen. And thank you for taking the time, Mister Phil.

By RW-(the original)

February 1, 2006 07:20 PM | Link to this

ml has up a new toon which I know will shock everybody.

By kimberly

February 1, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

Andy, thanks for your answer: 45 million Americans are “pinkos.” That’s roughly one-sixth of the population, not counting our children who aren’t old enough to vote, or the people who just didn’t vote. So… since your President’s approval rating is at forty-somthing pecent(two-fifths, give or take) and Congress is at 29 pecent (one-third) that leaves a significant number (between three-fifths and two-thirds) of Americans who agree with us pinkos, at least on the widely general point that the country is being run for s—-. I’m sure your math skills are better than mine, but would you agree this is a good mathematical assessment?

By hunky manstick

February 4, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

i wish i could suck MLs hairy manstick…oh just think how warm it is! So lovely!

By Kelly Verdier

February 9, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

I keep seeing these outlandish Bush ears, can’t we stuff something in them? He obviously is not either not listening or they are all stopped up. I can’t remember a President who used his ears less.

By C Freundlich

February 9, 2006 11:16 PM | Link to this

IF ONLY!! BUT i’M PRETTY SURE OPRAH WOULDN’T HAVE THE NERVE TO CHEW OUT GW -

 

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