Mike Luckovich

By Andy

January 11, 2006 06:50 AM | Link to this

We’re always one step ahead of cartoon boy and we deal with the truth:

By Andy

January 10, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Jan. 10, 2006 — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton called the Bush administration “incompetent� when it came to protecting the troops in combat and called the lack of adequate body armor for soldiers and Marines “unforgivable.�

Doesn’t this woman sit on the Senate Armed Services Committee? Isn’t the Congress, with members such as Senator Clinton, responsible for the appropriation of funding for concerns such as these? Who will these pinkos blame for their problems when Bush is out of office in 2009?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 06:59 AM | Link to this

A Justice Department investigation into influence-peddling on Capitol Hill is focusing on a “first tier” of lawmakers and staffers, both Republicans and Democrats<————, say sources close to the probe that has netted guilty pleas from lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Law-enforcement authorities and others said the investigation’s opening phase is scrutinizing Byron L. Dorgan, North Dakota Democrat; and Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat.

Read um and weep, pinkos.

By Greg

January 11, 2006 07:18 AM | Link to this

What people don’t seem to understand is that we could provide enough armor so no one would ever get hurt again, but then they would not be able to move. There is a point at which you have to consider mobility over protection and try to provide the best of both. God Bless our troops and please keep them safe.

Greg

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 07:22 AM | Link to this

Once again ml stretches the truth to meet his own ideological needs to bash this administration. All troops in Iraq(since the summer of 04) have had the Interceptor Ballistic Armor plates. I have personally seen three people that have been shot in their plates and have survived due to the plates. The arguement is not that there isn’t armor, its that some people claim soldiers should be wearing more of it. However if you talk to most people serving over there, you can’t wear full body armor due to the limitations it imposes on movement and mobility. On another note, I have been waiting for ml to scribe a cartoon bashing judge Alito. I have come to the conclusion that the Dems are embarrassing themselves so badly that even ml doesnt want to touch the subject.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 07:40 AM | Link to this

If anybody wants to see exactly how ridiculous Cynthia Tucker has become, check out her column on “stealth� HIV infections. My one rather large question, if women can “insist their sexual partners use condoms� to protect them from HIV infection, as Mother Lib suggests, why couldn’t women insist on condom use to protect the lives of unborn children?

hy·poc·ri·sy- n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies- The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Follow the “teachings� of these left wing geniuses, y’all, hook yourself up with a depressed disease ridden bitter little existence, just like them.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 07:42 AM | Link to this

[Clinton pointed to President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney as the culprits. Some have said that supplying Marines and soldiers with armor that covers their sides is too expensive — costing about $260 for each person. Clinton said that considering the United States’ defense budget was half a trillion dollars, the additional protection was affordable. She said the administration had refused to listen to people in the field like Paul Bremer, former ambassador to Iraq, who said the United States needed more troops in Iraq to pacify the country. Congress recently passed a law to reimburse troops who purchased the armor themselves, but Clinton said not all of those people had been given their money](

By getalife

January 11, 2006 07:46 AM | Link to this

Clinton pointed to President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney as the culprits. Some have said that supplying Marines and soldiers with armor that covers their sides is too expensive — costing about $260 for each person. Clinton said that considering the United States’ defense budget was half a trillion dollars, the additional protection was affordable. She said the administration had refused to listen to people in the field like Paul Bremer, former ambassador to Iraq, who said the United States needed more troops in Iraq to pacify the country.Congress recently passed a law to reimburse troops who purchased the armor themselves, but Clinton said not all of those people had been given their money.

By Pinko Liberal

January 11, 2006 07:47 AM | Link to this

They could easily provide the added armor our troops need with about a week’s worth of profit being paid to Haliburton in Iraq.

By AD

January 11, 2006 07:50 AM | Link to this

Body armor basically protects a soldier from small arms fire and shrapnel from light ordinance. Most of the casualties in Iraq are not casualties of that type. It is impossible to protect personnel from heavy weapons fire, heavy ordinance, mines, and IEDs. Yes, our troops should be given every piece of armor needed to protect them from the former. But in reality it is almost impossible to protect a troop from the heavier stuff.

By Brian Curtis

January 11, 2006 07:59 AM | Link to this

Hey, hey! None of that. Remember Bush’s warning: any criticism or dissent is treason… it gives aid & comfort to the enemy, you know.

Someone should’ve told this poor little whiner that the job of President comes with a certain amount of public scrutiny. Maybe then he wouldn’t cry and scream so much.

By AD

January 11, 2006 08:00 AM | Link to this

Furthermore, a very high percentage of our casualties in Iraq result from occurrances where the troop never even sees the enemy. I shudder to think how many will return from this adventure without hands, arms, legs, and feet. No body armor on the market today will stop this type of casualty.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 08:00 AM | Link to this

The new Anne is here

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis, you bring nothing to this discussion. All you ever do is insult people and call names.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

“There is a strong sense that we do need to move on this,” Mr. Dreier said. “I think the American people want us to act.”

Gee, you think?

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

getalife, at least the GOP is doing something to fix in the problem instead of just talking about it like the House Dems are doign right now. And Howard Dean is still trying to figure out why people don’t believe him when he says no Dems received Abramoff money

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

getalife, your links to The New York Times require an account and I don’t feel like doing the whole bugmenot.com thing.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

This just goes to show the lefty groups oppossing Alito are way out of the mainstream: Early last month, the pro-choice group NARAL sent an e-mail to supporters asking for 500,000 signatures to convince senators that Judge Alito is “Wrong for Our Country.” So how did they do? In their latest e-mail, NARAL thanks its volunteers and members for garnering 2,000 signatures in its “Oppose Alito” petition drive leaving the group just 498,000 signatures short of its goal.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

Try this one

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

Funds for modernization continue to be cut drastically — over 50 percent since the mid-1980s. Even chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili has warned that procurement spending is 40 percent below what it should be. Funds for research and development of the next generation of high-tech weapons, which have already been cut a staggering 71 percent since 1985, are to be cut another 16 percent in the years 1997-2002 under the Clinton administration’s original budget proposal.

Don’t ya hate it when the truth comes out?

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

getalife, thats not an accurate protryal of what happened either, but thats beside the point. What did you think of the hearings yesterday? How did you think Alito did?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

*A RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT’S PRESENTATION OF THE DEFENSE BUDGET TO CONGRESS February 02, 19998

The Clinton administration has cut defense since they took over in 1992 by $102 billion below what President Bush had planned for our country when he sat down with Colin Powell and other defense leaders. So he put together a blueprint for where he thought defense should go, and President Clinton, when he took over, decided to cut that blueprint by $102 billion.

The Army says they need $5 billion more worth of equipment per year. They need $5 billion worth of increased funding per year for equipment and for people. The Navy says they need an additional $6 billion a year. The Air Force says they need $5 billion more. The Marines say they need an additional $1.75 billion. And that excludes the pay raise that we all agree our service people need of $2.5 billion per year.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

I think he lied under oath about his membership to his past alummi group so he should fit right in.

Why does Bush let Mexico push us around?

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

I don’t think he lied under oath. He joined the group when its intent was to keep ROTC on campus at Princeton. As I am sure you know many of our fine, elite liberal uinvesities wouldn’t want their students to actually serve their country. And I don’t know why Bush won’t do more on the immigration issue. I wish he would. The sad part is, if he ever did, there would be people calling him a rascist running around all over the news.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

This is getting rich:

In 1998 the Army simply lost almost a billion dollars worth of gear, according to a report by the General Accounting Office, the investigations arm of Congress. It detailed $900 million the Army couldn’t account for after the equipment was shipped from one place to another.

One Pentagon financial investigator said it is increasingly difficult to match invoices to payments. “We found accounting so bad, one guy was paying big checks to his mother and girlfriend, a million dollars worth, and nothing had been bought or received at all,” said Ernest Fitzgerald.

In this election cycle, Lockheed Martin has donated $734,000 to candidates for Congress, according to FEC data. The contributions are skewed heavily toward powerful legislators who sit on defense budget committees: $9,000 to Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., of the House Appropriations Committee, for example, and $6,000 to Sen. Olympia Snowe, RINO-Maine., of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Hey! I thought this graft deal was a Reublican issue?

By Liberal Texas Democrat

January 11, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

“Someone should’ve told this poor little whiner that the job of President comes with a certain amount of public scrutiny. Maybe then he wouldn’t cry and scream so much.”

Perhaps someone should make him read The “Stars & Stripes”

In 1918, during World War I, former President Theodore Roosevelt wrote an excellent editorial. In it, he addresses questioning the president during wartime. He said: “The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or anyone else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.�

Whether you agree or disagree with his policies, you must never be afraid to question him; it’s patriotic. It’s essential in a free country that the citizenry be willing to question and criticize the president.

Saying “we should always stand by the president� is unpatriotic. If decisions must be made on which “camp� is patriotic, listen to Roosevelt.

Senior Airman John Nixdorf Sather Air Base, Iraq

By getalife

January 11, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

I know why he lets Mexico push us around on this issue. He says we need illegal immigrants to do the jobs Americans do not want to do.

It proves Bush does not care about the word illegal.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Liberal Texas Democrat: He’s been questioned about a drop of urine spilled on a Koran, in a time of war. You think Roosevelt had that on his mind?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

Maybe the Clintons had help: John Kerry has voted against body armor for troops in combat

Impeach Murtha, the little bribe taker!

By getalife

January 11, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Good for Lockheed Martin!

The Dems did it too. Whaaaa!

Murtha for Congress!

By Rich

January 11, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Bush is Dumb.

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

If the president’s critics would stick to “Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or anyone else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.” Then I’ve got no problem with bringing on the scrutiny. Saying Bush went to war for oil, and for Haliburton, are the sort of treasonist remarks Roosevelt wouldn’t have stood for. If the President really wanted to start a War for Oil, he should have had the liberal eco-whiners assasinated, and invaded Alaska!
Speaking of Haliburton. What Libs don’t seem to get thru their own thick skulls, is that, as a government contractor, Haliburton is limited to a low profit margin. I think it’s something like 6%, ballpark. But, it IS way lower that most corporations in the country. You’ve got a better chance of proving “war profiteering” against a Waffle House that’s open near an Army base. That’s why Liberal constituants, people like Cindy S, scream their mantra all the time; But no educated and intelligent Democrat brings it up, nor has any wrongdoing been found.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

When the pinkos play with the military:

Secretary Aspin laid out a five-year defense program $254.2 billion below the baseline forecast by the 1990 budget summit—$131.7 billion lower than the final projection of the Bush Administration.

Mr. Dellums is hardly alone in calling for harsher cuts. The literary and liberal communities are in full cry. The New York Times says Mr. Clinton’s reductions do not go far enough. The New York Times assures us our forces are adequate and, to boot, superbly equipped. “US weapon systems are unrivaled, so production of new tanks, planes, and ships can be put off for a decade or more,” its editorial writers declare.

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Bush is Dumb
Thanks Rich, “That’ll show ‘em.”

By Liberal Texas Democrat

January 11, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

One might want to be reminded that when GWB stood under a banner proclaiming “Mission Accomplished” he accomplished it with the military he “inherited” from the Clinton administration, which he called the finest, best equipped, strongest, and best in the world as he ordered them into this activity. If it wasn’t all that perhaps he should have repaired it before he used it. If he spoke the truth and it was then it was Clinton’s army Bush’s accomplishnment.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Liberal Texas Dem, there is only one problem with the current dems and the Rough Rider’s Op Ed. It illustarates the blind hatred that has been conjured up by the dems.

“Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right.”

Six years with no altetrnative plans, other than income redistribution, and 100% criticism and hatred. That is not leadership. Most liberals cannot criticize their own, whereas most conservatives can. Heck, conservatives can’t even criticize Clinton without getting the “whaaa” argument.

Andy, I don’t remember, but did the Clinton Whitehouse cut an entire division from the military, after the 93 WTC bombings?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Industry analysts all predicted, in the 1990’s, that it would take 3 years to research and implement improved body armor for the troops, a task that was never undertaken with a certain pinko as president. Let’s see, Bush takes office in 2001, war starts in 2001.

Nice point you make, Liberal Texas Democrat.

By Eric

January 11, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

I just wonder how many of you bright, Bush lovers would put your lives in the hands of the most incompetent so-called president in the history of the nation. Dumb as you are, I’ll bet you have better sense than that. Great commentary Mike. Rock on!

By Andy

January 11, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

I just wonder how many of you bright, silly pinkos would ever put your life on the line to defend the great country that you sit around and suck dry all day long? You know, pay your debts like men. Rock On!

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

Eric, I would.

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

“In 1998 the Army simply lost almost a billion dollars worth of gear, according to a report by the General Accounting Office”
My brother was in the Army during this period, I visited, and saw his barracks and his co-soldiers. I’ve a very good idea how this much in equipement could get “lost.” LOL

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Scooter, during Operation Desert Storm the US Army had 18 active duty divisions. By the time Clinton left office we were done to 10 divisions. Eric, I have and would again.

By buff

January 11, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Hey, getalife,

How is your health?

Are you still in La?

By Morgan

January 11, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

I thought Rummy showed a lot of concern for the troops when he boasted ” … you have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want.” (December 2004)

The invasion of Iraq was planned according to the Bush administration timetable and it wouldn’t surprise me to find that they thought the conflict would be over before the 2004 election.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Eric,

With the culture of corruption in power, I would have to agree with Mr. Murtha and say I would not.

Illegal immigrants want the Southwest United States back so grab your guns and send them back to Mexico. Bush’s “bring it on” rhetoric was all talk.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

January 11, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

“I just wonder how many of you bright, silly pinkos would ever put your life on the line to defend the great country …” Andy you know of at least [one](http://home.att.net/roboliberal48/

By Liberal Texas Democrat

January 11, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

OOPS:) -[one](http://home.att.net/~roboliberal48/

By Midori

January 11, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Ricky — who initiated the draw down?

I was in the service then, and I seem to remember that it was Bush Sr.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

hey buff,

Where have you been? How about those tigers?

Health is the same, no progress but still in La.

The army would not let me enlist.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Morgan,

[*We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for himself instead of hospitals and schools.

And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by and for the Iraqi people.

The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq. *](http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/index.html)

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Midori, you are correct, Bush Sr started the draw down of two division(7th ID and 3rd AD). The other six were the result of Clinton and his DOD

By Liberal Texas Democrat

January 11, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

“I was in the service then, and I seem to remember that it was Bush Sr.” In addition to which Bush Sr. and Reagan attempted to slip a 10% reduction into the dollar amount paid in comphensation to combat disabled veterans to balance their second budget. We didn’t have a one party system then and Republicans and Democrats alike put the funding back in the budget.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Post-Cold War Defense Spending Cuts

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Objective links help but libs don’t provide many adn claim to have the truth](http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2005/02/excusemethe_c.html).

Congress was run by dems during the 80’s and early 90’s and congress spends money. Congress cut republicans DOD request adn repubs raised Clintons deep cuts. Read the link, I dare you.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Did anyone else hear about the judge in Vermont that sentenced a man to 60 days in jail for raping a 6 yr old girl for four years. How bad is that?

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Well, I give up. My linking skills are not up to par today, so I’m out.

Government dependency kills.

By buff

January 11, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

getalife,

I was lazing for 28 glorious days. Went to Missouri to see my parents, went to Miami to see friends, man, academe is a great life, but back to “work” now, yuck, yuck

Yep, LSU looked like a national champ. Took the best defense in D1 and tore them up

I do not like to make excuses, but, when they played Georgia for the SEC championship they had played 11 straight weeks; UGA had two weeks off in that period. Did it matter, maybe, but who knows

I was disappointed in UGA; they were not ready to play

My best to you on your health

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Midori, again you are half right. Clinton’s dollar funding of the DOD was about the same as the Bush sr plan. He did however cut 6 divisions from the Army in addition to the 2 Bush Sr cut.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Midori, I saw your link so stuck around a little longer to read it. I haven’t finished but I don’t see anything about adjusting for inflation, or using nominal dollars to compare.

By PinkoAndy

January 11, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Another lie from the right. Government contractors are not limited to a 6% profit margin. In fact, the GSA builds in a 15% margin, but this sometimes gets eaten away by factors such as taxes and advertising.

Halliburton doesnt’ have to worry about taxes, advertising or any other laws they may break in Iraq since GWB signed the presidential order absolving all contractors of any lawbreaking.

A contractor can murder someone in the street in Bagdad and they are not culpable for anything. It’s disgusting.

The lies this administration tell are fair game, according to T.R. Truth will win.

Defense contracting

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

PinkoAndy, did you care when Hiliburton was making the same profits in Bosnia and Kosovo? Or do you only care now that it is Bush in charge?

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

buff,

It is good to have you back even though you are a tiger fan. Your quarterback was unbelievable in that game.

The dawgs underestimated West Virginia and tried to come back. I am glad I got to see the Texas USC classic.

My best to you on your health too.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

*Secretary Aspin laid out a five-year defense program $254.2 billion below the baseline forecast by the 1990 budget summit—$131.7 billion lower than the final projection of the Bush Administration.

That link is from servicemen at the time Clinton was gutting the military and it’s future. Anybody want to tell them they were wrong?

In this election cycle (1998), Lockheed Martin has donated $734,000 to candidates for Congress, according to FEC data. The contributions are skewed heavily toward powerful legislators who sit on defense budget committees: $9,000 to Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., of the House Appropriations Committee, for example, and $6,000 to Sen. Olympia Snowe, RINO-Maine., of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

You got it all in the Clinton years, cutting military spending and lining your pockets with graft money that would make Abramoff blush.

Impeach Murtha!

By buff

January 11, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

getalife,

That Texas win over USC was classic

I was deep into Jim Beam in the second half, so, I really enjoyed the game

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

buff,

Keg Budweiser and meds for me. I was happy.

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Ricky, if I’m not mistaken, and please correct me if I am, when Halliburton was contracting in Bosnia and Kosovo, our national treasury was not being emptied into their pockets at the rate is has been since 2003. Back then, our budget deficits were improving and taxes were PAYING for our efforts — efforts which were constrained by an ACTUAL mission and plan, and the withdrawal of our troops when accomplished. Now that taxes have been slashed, DEBTS are paying for our ongoing, no-end-n-sight efforts, but not, apparently, for sufficient body armor for the soldiers we claim to “support.” Funny how the audit trail fizzles into an unreadable fuzzy line when one attempts to track the tangible use of our tax dollars as they flow into Halliburton pockets. But I guess I’m just being nitpicky. Afterall, it’s our kids, not us, who will pay. And pay, and pay.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

I really like this one:

The senior Democrat on the Senate committee investigating former lobbyist Jack Abramoff announced this week that he will return $67,000 in donations from Indian tribes represented by the indicted Republican.

Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (N.D.), vice chairman of the Indian Affairs Committee, said (and presto, the committee finds)he has never met Abramoff, nor did he advocate any program backed by Abramoff’s tribal clients that he would not have otherwise embraced. But his move, reported yesterday in the Forum of Fargo, N.D., illustrates how broadly the political stain of Abramoff’s money is spreading on Capitol Hill.

This doesn’t smell of hypocrisy at all, nope, none.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

Kimberly, saying the national treasury is being emptied into the pockets of Haliburton is a gross overstatement, typcial of the hyperbole of todays poltical environment. There are several reasons we are in a massive budget deficit right now. And let me state that I am a fiscal conservative and bemoan the way this administration has handled our national budget. However, they are working back from the ripple effects of 9/11. True, we are spending massive amounts of money in Iraq. The tax cuts don’t have anything to do with the defecit. In fact the fed government is generating more moeny in tax revenue than ever before. And the soldiers who have served in Iraq(myself included) do have sufficient body armor. There is not enough body armor in the world to stop a 155 mm mortar round from destroying the human body. And the same old its our kids who will pay line is tired and lame. The Dems said that during Regan when I was a kid and I haven’t felt the ill effects of his economic policies. In fact that helped lead to the boom of the 1990’s. Just a different way of looking at things I guess. Since our ideological philosophies are different, we will probably never agree, but valid points can probably be made on both sides.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

I thought these newspaper scribblers were supposed to be “cutting edge”?

Bush wiretapped Mike Luckovich’s house, and all the secret agents could hear was the sound of a cartoonist beating a dead horse. The Vent 1/10

Maybe it was just an excuse to draw nekkid men again.

You would almost think these barking moonbats, like ml and Hillary, are trying to increase the body count for some new cartoon or political opportunity

But many soldiers say they feel encumbered by the weight and restricted by fabric that does not move as they do. They frequently joke as they strap on their equipment before a patrol, and express relief when they return and peel it off.

Second Lt. Josh Suthoff, 23, of Jefferson City, Mo., said he already sacrifices enough movement when he wears the equipment. More armor would only increase his chances of getting killed, he said.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Prosecutors have already told one lawmaker, Rep. Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio), and his former chief of staff that they are preparing a possible bribery case against them, according to two sources knowledgeable about the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The 35 to 40 investigators and prosecutors on the Abramoff case are focused on at least half a dozen Republican members of Congress, including former House majority leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) and Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), lawyers and others close to the probe said

Let us not forget the Republicans who are in power authoring the legislation.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Byron Dorgan, innocent democrat babe in the woods:

Used Abramoff’s arena skybox in March 2001 to raise money, letting one of Abramoff’s tribes foot the bill for using the box. The senator says he didn’t know at the time that Abramoff leased the box. He’s recently reimbursed that money.

Got Congress in the fall 2003 to press government regulators to decide, after decades of delay, whether the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe of Massachusetts deserved federal recognition. Dorgan met with the tribe’s representatives and collected at least $11,500 in political donations from the Abramoff partner representing the Mashpee around the time of the help.

Collected $20,000 from Abramoff’s firm and tribes in the period around when he wrote a letter in 2002 urging the Senate Appropriations Committee to fund a school construction program that Abramoff’s clients and other tribes wanted. The letter mentioned one of Abramoff’s tribes.

And, of course, knew nothing, nothing about it.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

I wish they would argue corruption like they argue abortion.

By PinkoAndy

January 11, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

Dorgan is returning the money, even though he shouldn’t have to. He received that money before the tribes hired Jack A.

By the way, Jack Abramoff never, not once, contributed a single dime to ANY Democrat… and it’s Jack Abramoff that’s the issue, isn’t it? JA, Tom Delay, the K Street project, Grover Norquist, Ralph Reed… These guys are the worst of the worst, corrupt, vile, arrogant, hypocryte, and able to be bought like the prostitutes they are.

and you can actually stand behind them and protect them? What a mess you’ve led us into.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

A culture of corruption!

Criminals!

Murtha for Congress!

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

You know when Bolten said the UN was a culture of corruption all I could think about was what about our government?

By buff

January 11, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Abramoff, is scum, no doubt of that, but proving the media’s allegations is going to be tough As Lord Acton said “power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

PinkoAndy, I can’t believe you are adopting the Howard Dean line on the corruption. Even the Washington Post and NY Times called him out on that one. The guys you listed, if found guilty, should be thrown in jail. I am fine with that. You should be too. Would you be willing to say the same about any Dems that get dragged into this?
getalife, explain why you wish we would argue corruption like abortion.

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Ricky, I’ll concede that it may have been an overstatment, but not a gross one. Here’s why I tend to buy into the “Halliburton is robbing us blind” theory, to some degree, and it has nothing to do with rhetoric: (1)Over the last two or three years, news reports have popped up about missing funds and huge payments for which they can provide no documentation — time cards, material receipts, etc. — as to how they spent the money, OUR money. When these stories surface, they last ten minutes on the lower rung of “top stories,” and then they’re gone. Usually something important, like Dobson’s moral outrage, Brad & Jennifer’s divorce, or some missing kid in Aruba, takes over as the big news o’ the day. These questions, to my knowledge, are NEVER answered for the public; they are swept under the rug. Queries to my elected officials net an unrelated form letter. Naturally I am suspicious. (2) Cheney is as IN BED with a government contractor as anyone could possibly be. Their contracts were no-bid, and again… audit trails are lost like Hansel & Gretels breadcrumbs when discovered by a pack of hungry rats. If there were a chance of the appearance of impropriety, an HONEST administration would make a point of ensuring, and disclosing, the integrity of the accounting. This one makes no effort to do so; rather, they rely on the sure-fire technique of distracting an ADD nation with panic, entertainment, and the ongoing mantra that we should question the loyalties of any of our neighbors who do not sing Hallelujah at the exact same moment as our great leader. So naturally I’m suspicious. (3) It is my belief that men will forego principles and integrity when in the process of pocketing millions and billions of dollars. That kind of money corrupts. Period. Without adequate supervision, or checks & balances, they’ll steal every penny they can. And these folks are in the prime position to do so. Human nature. So naturally I’m suspicious.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

The culture of corruption has no right to argue anything until they clean up their act.

They should argue corruption like they argue abortion. Just say no, or is that drugs?

By AntiRadical

January 11, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

It’s kinda funny that this toon is supposed to be a jab at the Bush Admin regarding the shortages of body armour available to our troops in Iraq (especially at the start of the invasion). Criticism is that we went in unprepared and it is, sadly, valid. The question that then begs to be asked is “why” were we unprepared. No one can deny that the Reps are the unquestioned champions for unbridled military defense spending and that the Dems have, for the past 30 yrs, been less than enthusiastic regarding these same expenditures. Truth is, as usual, somewhere in between the two parties claims. The Dems did not spend the money to stockpile body armour under Clinton, and the Reps did not correct it when they acquired office (even though THEY claim to know better). An accurate statement might be that both parties just didn’t want to muck-up their respective budgets. The only time a politician (or the general public for that matter) ever cares much about a footsoldier is when they have an immediate “use” for them.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

Kimberly, I agree with you that when tons of money are lost, it needs to be investigated. Haliburton got no bid contracts in Bosnia and Kosovo too. There really aren’t many companies that do what they do. I also don’t buy into the liberal mantra that if you question the President you are being unpatriotic. That is a joke. We should all be supiscious of government all the time

By buff

January 11, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

For the Atlanta locals, or anyone who listens nationally, what in the hell has happened to Neal Boortz’s radio show?

He used to be entertaining, but now, if not on a mean-spirited rant, he is just boring, and boring is a disaster to talk radio, just listen to Air-America

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

buff,

Listen to Boortz tomorrow and Friday and you will find it much improved. Herman Cain will be hosting.

Try 920AM, Laura Ingraham has the same time slot as Boortz.

By Dusty

January 11, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

RW,

Seeing today’s cartoon, it is obvious that Big Daddy’s new job is posing for Luckovich’s art work. Better than posing on the bridge, I guess. But back to serious issues.

Looks like Kimberly is taking writing lessons from Michael H. Nothing like knowing all the inside info on government contractors. Takes awhile to tell it all.

By buff

January 11, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

RW, where is Laura I on the dial? I tried to find her earlier, but couldn’t

That guy on 640 is not bad

Yes, Cain is a big improvemnt over that pompous a* Boortz

By getalife

January 11, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Try listening to this, kimberly may like it

By Brian Curtis

January 11, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Boortz has switched to ranting about everything that irritates him, in the hopes of drumming up ratings… when he’s not doing four-hour infomercials for his tax book, of course.

Ricky: Nice comment about “bringing nothing but insults,” followed immediately by your own set of cheap shots. Good to see that hypocrisy is still alive and well in the right-wing fantasy land….

I’d be happy to praise Bush for the things he’s done right. Can anyone name some? Spending, running the war, handling domestic security, the economy… anything? Beuller? Beuller?

As for “serving and defending my country,” I’ll be happy to. Just let me know when we’re going after someone who’s actually attacked us (other than the neocons, of course, who are a domestic enemy).

By Morgan

January 11, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Scooter -

I’m interested in the thought process that takes the candidate’s position opposing nation building to the program you cite.

It sounds so much like flip-flopping (and all the ditto heads that simply follow along with the “program”). How did those who supported the candidate come to the new imperialistic posture?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Listen to all the pinkos in here: (In a whiny female voice) We need to prosecute corruption to the fullest extent of the law, unless, of course, it was a democrat, then he should walk, he gave the money back, blah, blah.

hy·poc·ri·sy- n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies- The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Back to reality, Dorgan’s going to serve just as much time as Abramoff. They got him accepting money from the tribes and using his influence in the Senate to garner favors for the same tribe. It’s blindfold and cigarette time.

Murtha’s next!

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis, you talk about people living in fantasy land you are permeantley there. Show me an example of the cheap shots I have taken. I don’t call people dumb for their opinions like I have see you do on numerous occasions. As for what Bush has done right. Well, no terrorists attacks since 9/11. He inherited an economy in decline and then had the terrorists attacks which further hurt the economy. The economy is now booming with 2 million jobs being created last year and the economy growing at a 4% clip. Unemployment is under 5% which Clinton called full employment. Is easy to say you would serve your country when you never have. Explain how you think the neocons are the domestic enemy

By Brian Curtis

January 11, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Ahh, the frenzy of right-wing spin and distraction. “But the Democrats are just as bad! It’s gotta be Clinton’s fault somehow! Waaahhh!”

Not gonna work, guys. The K Street Project is Republican all the way down to the street. Sure, there’s corruption in both parties; but the launch point is Abramoff, who’s been taking Republican-only bribery to new heights for years now. And he’s got a LOT of co-conspirators who are sweating bullets right now.

But keep spinning and trying to distract the people; it’s the Faux News agenda at work. And it’s not working.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

ml could at least have given BigDaddy’s horse a feather, how rude.

buff,

Laura is here on 920WGKA, I think you can stream the show

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis you are right the K-street project is Republican. What does that have to do with Abramoff. Nothing. He is a single corrupt lobbyist who gave money to both parties. It is not Republican-only. I can’t believe some of you actually think that. And who are the ones in Congress talking about reforming lobbying practices? Its the GOP, while the Dems do their usual dance of demogoguery and actually do nothing to fix the problem

By getalife

January 11, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

I am getting dizzy, wait a minute, I just got a fresh meds. Whoa nelly!

By Andy

January 11, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis: Here’s your “Faux News” for you:

Collected $20,000 from Abramoff’s firm and tribes in the period around when he wrote a letter in 2002 urging the Senate Appropriations Committee to fund a school construction program that Abramoff’s clients and other tribes wanted. The letter mentioned one of Abramoff’s tribes.

PMSNBC has gone over to the Conservative side? Why, this right wing conspiracy has gotten plum out of hand!

Bye, Bye, Harry Reid!

By getalife

January 11, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

RW,

Big Daddy’s feather is on his hat

By Brian Curtis

January 11, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Ahh yes, the great “economic recovery� we keep hearing so much about.. without any mention of how wages and household incomes have been affected. Here’s a hint: THEY HAVEN’T.

“Job creation?” Don’t tell me you bought into that spin, too? Let’s do some math:

2 full-time jobs with benefits become 6 part-time, low-wage jobs with NO benefits.

Hey, look! Jobs have been “created!� All hail the Economic Geniuses reponsible!

No, jobs have not been “created�—-ore like downgraded, apart from the ones that have been outsourced. And the wealth gap just keeps on getting’ bigger, while more and more working-class fools pretend that illegal immigrants are the problem, rather than high-level corruption and greed.

Yes, it’s ver easy for anyone to say they’ll serve their country… and it’s easy to do, too. (My father and brother both have.) All you need is an actual threat that requires military action. I THOUGHT we had one on 9/11, but it’s already been resolved (apart from giving up on finding its mastermind, of course).

I don’t see any other threats outside our borders lately—-just the neocons who want to destroy democracy from within. And I can fight those just fine without joining the military (who can’t be deployed within our borders).

Traitor Bush is going DOWN. And I can’t wait for America to shake off this fascist nightmare we’ve been stuck in and start moving forward again, paying attention to things that actually matter (education, infrastructure, healthcare, domestic security) instead of screeching about gay marriage and the evils of the minimum wage.

But buck up: trying to clean out some of the corruption will ultimately benefit ALL of us… even the fools and tools who still believe everything the Bushies tell them.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Another well known “Conservative” news source:

But Abramoff didn’t work just with Republicans. He oversaw a team of two dozen lobbyists at the law firm Greenberg Traurig that included many Democrats. Moreover, the campaign contributions that Abramoff directed from the tribes went to Democratic as well as Republican legislators.

The Washington Post has no circulation, nobody, I said nobody reads them, they lose money every year, er, I’m sorry, I meant Washington Times….

Bye, Bye Dorgan!

By Midori

January 11, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

the best equipped fighting force on Earth

By Midori

January 11, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

building a bridge to the first century

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis, like I said you are stuck in fantasy land. According to you our economy is terrible, we are stuck in a depression apparently. Its people who have the belief system like you and Howard Dean that kept getting Republicans elected. Keep up the good work.

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

Bye, Bye Dorgan!

Andy, I thought we were supposed to await the outcome of trials before we automatically branded someone guilty. Of course, they have to be indicted first, or does that only count when a Republican faces charges?

By getalife

January 11, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

Andy,

You are the man on corruption. Excellent, but don’t forget this;

Bye, Bye Delay

By Andy

January 11, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Among the biggest beneficiaries (of Abramoff donations) were Capitol Hill’s most powerful Democrats, including Thomas A. Daschle (S.D.) and Harry M. Reid (Nev.), the top two Senate Democrats at the time, Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.), then-leader of the House Democrats, and the two lawmakers in charge of raising funds for their Democratic colleagues in both chambers, according to a Washington Post study. Reid succeeded Daschle as Democratic leader after Daschle lost his Senate seat last November.

Bye, Bye, Tom Daschle, Ooops, we already got him!

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Quit whining! I’m real busy today. Somebody else slam these goofballs.

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

I’m actually VERY interested to see the composition of the votes when these corruption-fighting pieces of legislation are drafted and brought before Congress. It’s gonna be very interesting…

By Andy

January 11, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

“Lobbying shops typically direct contributions to both parties because they want contacts on both sides of the aisle,” said David M. Hart, a professor of public policy at George Mason University. “Lawmakers in the minority can also have a lot of clout.”

Shoots that argument right in the a-ss, doesn’t it?

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

But that position was put forward by a liberal, pinko university professor Andy so it can’t possible be valid or true, right?

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Andy, that’s a good point… when there happens to be some balance of power in the government. But since one party now controls all three branches of government, and the other has effectively NO power, why would they waste their money on people with no power? Just wondering.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Andy has a point. Reid is in it. The Dems should do like the Republicans and elect new leadership.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Morgan, you said you are curious about a flip-flop.

“It sounds so much like flip-flopping (and all the ditto heads that simply follow along with the “programâ€?). How did those who supported the candidate come to the new imperialistic posture?”

You see Morgan, there was twelve years of Saddam refusing to disclose the wherabouts of the WMD’s we helped him obtain, while he was fighting the Ayatollah Khomeini. Then after eight years of planning Al_quieda was finally successful ar bringing down the World Trade Centers on 9/11. The nation building thing comes in here, Iraq was a loose cannon that was unwise to leave out there making a mockery of UN resiolutions and the world in general.

So Morgan, the inspectors left before Clinton launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998 and were not allowed back in until Bush forced them back in in 1993. So, what did you know and how were you so sure that you would risk Americans’ lives on it. Are you not glad we found out the Oil for Food Program was corrupted?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Harry Reid, innocent little pinko babe in the woods, who won’t give the money back, Brian Curtiss:

In a little noticed story in November, the Associated Press revealed that Reid had accepted tens of thousands of dollars from an Abramoff client, the Coushatta Indian tribe, after interceding with Secretary of the Interior Gail Norton over a casino dispute with a rival tribe.

Reid “sent a letter to Norton on March 5, 2002,” reported the AP. “The next day, the Coushattas issued a $5,000 check to Reid’s tax-exempt political group, the Searchlight Leadership Fund. A second tribe represented by Abramoff sent an additional $5,000 to Reid’s group. Reid ultimately received more than $66,000 in Abramoff-related donations between 2001 and 2004.”

Interceding on behalf of a rival tribe. I wonder why he would do that?

Any last words, Mr. Reid?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Mark my words: With the pinkos hysterically calling this Abramoff deal a Republican issue and taking into account the liberal penchant for lying through their teeth, I’m willing to give 10 to 1 that more democrats wind up getting convicted than do Republicans. Any takers?

By Midori

January 11, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

[It’s for putting things so bluntly that Dean is often derided as a wild man. In this instance, however, he’s right. See, Abramoff wasn’t just any GOP lobbyist. “Casino Jack,� as he was widely known, was the king of the K Street lobbyists and the principal financier of the “Republican revolution� —an insider’s insider.

The former head of the College Republicans, Abramoff qualified as a “Pioneer� for raising more than $ 100, 000 for President Bush’s 2000 campaign. He boasted of his close working relationship with White House political adviser Karl Rove. In 2001, Abramoff’s personal assistant, Susan Ralston, became Rove’s.

Until quite recently, Abramoff and fellow GOP strategist Grover Norquist were giving interviews boasting of their creation of a one-party political machine. With Republicans holding the White House along with both houses of Congress, anybody who wanted anything out of the U. S. government needed to contribute heavily to GOP causes, hire their protégés and drop the Democrats like a bad habit.](http://moose-and-squirrel.com/gene/gene.html)

By Midori

January 11, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

[To McQ’s good point just prior, let me add a bit of an explanation of how politicians are playing gotcha around the edges of this scandal. First, let’s concede that this is primarily a Republican scandal. Since Republicans control the Legislative and Executive branches, it follows that lobbyists are buying Republican.

The Democrats aren’t pure of heart. They just don’t have much to sell.

But there are two different levels of payment being alleged here. There’s…

Direct: money that flowed directly from Abramoff and…

Indirect: money that flowed from organizations with which Abramoff was involved. (or, if you prefer, Abramoff Money and Abramoff-related Money)

The Direct Money all went to Republicans. All of it. You can check for yourself at Open Secrets here and here.](http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3216)

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

I honestly don’t know yet but if I recall correctly, only a Republican has been indicted, along with a couple of his aides, so far. I might be wrong though.

By Jay not jay

January 11, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

kimberly, why don’t all the dems just go leave Washington and go home since they are just taking up space?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Uh-Oh:

But Abramoff hired Eddie Ayoob, who was Harry Reid’s legislative counsel until 2002 and was assistant finance director on Reid’s 1998 Senate campaign. Ayoob held a fund-raising reception for Reid at the offices of Greenberg Traurig, according to The Washington Post.

Harry, we thought we knew ya!

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

sick, you are right only a Republican has been indicted so far. Most reasonable Republicans will admit that this is going to hurt the Republican party more than the Dems probably, and probably have more involved in the scandal. We will see what happens.

By Dusty

January 11, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

RW,

Luckovich has been fishing for a big scandal and thought he had one. When he pulled up his line he had TWO big ones, a red one and a blue one. This was a little fishier than he had expected. So back to “bare” exposure. Abramoff sure knew how to “cut bait”. Caught the greedy grabbers, the “bottom feeders” and muck eaters.

Hope you like fish stories.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Andy,

You may have a problem with that 10-1 thing, it seems Democrats tend to plead guilty and then claim that exonerates them.

See:

Clinton, William J. (AKA Bubba)

Burgler, Sandy (AKA Pants)

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Sickof…., and/or Ricky,

Who exactly is this Republican office holder that has been indicted in the Abramoff kerfuffle?

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

How in the h-ell can you plead guilty and say that makes you not guilty? Is that possible? Kind of like the chicken and the egg argument…

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

RW, it is not an officer holder. No office holder has been indicted as of yet.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

RW: I’ll admit the odds are long, seeing how the Republicans have already been tried and convicted in the media, (Thanks, Ricky!) I’ll still bet more dems are going down then Cons. Do a google search for each money takers name, add “Abramoff” and “investigation.” Only dems are coming up as having given favors to the tribes.

I guess the whole world could be lying…

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

OK, I’ll concede it is a republicrat scandal. But, you concede that the only reason there is a scandal is because politicians have too much power over the Amewrican citizens. They have power to manipulate a tax code that turns Americans against Americans, rewards ineptitiude and punishes achievement. This tax code gets so complictaed that no individual can understand it (allowing politicians to hide favors in its largess) and business run off shore to hide from it. The main point is, the tax code allows a mindless party to disguise leadership as income redistribution while limiting consequences for the individual to learn from.

Any person who sits there and types about this corruption, but still votes to put more responsibility/power in the hands of politicians can be classified as an opportunistic critic.

There are two types of people in the world those who try and those who tell them all the reasons they won’t succeed. Which would describe which party? I hate them both.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Now, all of a sudden, the Democrats have become very, very silent. Those that have commented claim no knowledge of Abramoff’s involvement with the six Indian tribes that donated tens of thousands of dollars to their campaigns between 1999 and 2004 through Abramoff’s recommendations. While the biggest winner in this handout festival was Republican Conrad Burns ($141K), one-third of the largest recipients were Democrats. Here’s a list of a few of them:

Rep. Patrick Kennedy: $128K Senator Harry Reid: >$40K Senator Tom Daschle: >$40K Rep. Dick Gephardt: $32.5K

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

sickof….,

How many people have you heard say and how many stories have you read that say something like, “after all the years of the Whitewater investigation Bill Clinton was found to have done nothing wrong?

He pled guilty.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Kennedy, of Rhode Island, received $42,500 from tribes represented by Abramoff over the past five years, making him the top Democratic beneficiary, according to a study by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Kennedy has also supported tribal efforts to negotiate with states to build casinos, Richardson said.

That be a crime, y’all, just as sure as if Abramoff had done it..

By PinkoAndy

January 11, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Ricky, Sure, anyone who is proven to be corrupt should go to jail, Dem or Rep, but since the Dems have had no power, I think all we’re going to find this round are Republicans.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Everyone, it is probably just that I am not surprised politicians are corrupt, so i haven’t given a rat’s a** about the Abramoff scandal. But, how does indian tribe donations indicate corruption. I personally have a long lineage of proud Native American in me and just don’t understand why Indians can’t get involved in the political process of favor buying. Will somebody help me out?

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Speaking of bottom feeders:

Mama Moonbat wins in a runaway defeating challenges from both Hugo Chavez and The Old Gray Lady.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

PinkoAndy, do you really believe the Dems have no power? If they had no power, why aren’t we drilling in ANWAR? Why don’t we have private Social Security accounts? Because the Dems have enough power to stop legislation. Its not like groups just stop lobbying the out of power party. Thats why your arguement is invalid.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

The main connection between corruption and Indian tribes has nothing to do with traditional tribal issues.

Indian tribes being exempt from gaming restrictions have given rise to dozens of new tribes being created for the sole purpose of setting up casinos. Couple that with them being exempted from McCain/ Fiengold and they become a breeding ground for corruption. It isn’t a reflection on the Indian people.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

I thought I read somewhere that from May 2001 through January 2003 Tom Daschle was Senate majority leader. I bet Republican Senators are happy to know that anything they did during that period of time is off limits.

By Jay not jay

January 11, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Ricky, libs use that line to cover their behinds. “They have no voice, they are getting pushed around by the bullies, they are powerless, waaa, waaa, waaaa”

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

OH OH OH! I know! Maybe we aren’t drilling in ANWAR or privitizing Social Security (by handing over to those who blew our 401Ks to heck) because there actually ARE some intelligent Americans who wrote to their representatives and said, “Um… BAD IDEA, Dude!” Could be. You think?

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

RW, McCain/Fiengold is limiting free speech so I don’t like it. He with he most money speaks the loudest, I can live with that.

I know I am dense but why can Indians just set up new tribes. Seems to me, a solution would be a law that imposes a static number of tribes to be allowed into the pity party hosted by white guilt. So are new tribes simply trying to get new casinoes up and running and that is the problem? Thanks for your patience.

By Morgan

January 11, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Scooter –

How deftly you entwine Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda in your response (where there was not connection until we lured them to Iraq) … and the WMD puffery persists when Saddam claimed he had none, our “intelligenceâ€? had no verification of any and Dr. Hans Blix’s inspections discovered none.

If I’m not mistaken, Mr. Bolton is on a mission to make a mockery of the UN after Duh-bya defied the assembly and made his pre-emptive assault in spite of his failure to convince anyone but Tony Blair of the dire (fabricated) international threat.

I think we could have discovered the Oil for Food Program was a failure for less than a coupla trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives lost. (Is that the final justification for this quagmire?)

The candidate (with no international experience) took a very cautious position (and his supporters said, “YEAH YEAH YEAH”) then he saw an opportunity to invade Iraq on a hunch (and his supporters said “YEAH YEAH YEAH”). No flip flopping there … and you maintain in spite of the gross miscalculations and fabrications that it was the right thing to do?

I’m shocked and awed by the logic.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Jay not jay,

Don’t forget they were tricked, tricked by the man they call the dumbest on the planet.

New Democrat slogan:

Vote for us! We’re powerless, naive wimps!

By AD

January 11, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Why would the president go out of his way to make contract holders in Iraq immune from prosecution in cases of fraud and malfeasence in the execution of their contracts? Is the president paying back some favors to these guys by letting them steal from the American taxpayer. How can anyone give immunity for stealing from the citizenry? This should be investigated as well.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, they said individual economic liberty is a bad idea, you can trust gubment. Individuals would have been allowed to choose where they wanted their money invested or if they wanted out at all. It was the braniac dems who wouldn’t even talk about it as long as economic liberty was on the table. They are soooooo smart they wouldn’t even attempt to reconcile the transition costs if it meant loosing power over retitrement plans.

By Jay not jay

January 11, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

True, even Lucko scribbles W as the dumbest man on the planet, then the next day he depicts him as a King or a God…

By Andy

January 11, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

O.K. class: “Lobbying shops typically direct contributions to both parties because they want contacts on both sides of the aisle,� said David M. Hart, a professor of public policy at George Mason University. “Lawmakers in the minority can also have a lot of clout.�- Washington Post.

Any congressman, whether he is a pinko or a Con, can attach an earmark to a spending bill. It happened all the time last year, remember the “bridge to nowhere?” All they have to do is pass some resolution that the Rogatoogie Indians are federally recognized and then the Rogatoogies can receive federal money and open a casino. This would be the real underlying crime in the whole matter. Abramoff was lobbying some congressman, the Indians were lobbying the others directly. If you can’t figure this one out on your own, you have some serious comprehension issues.

You’ll see.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

If an Indian tribe can show they were a legitimate tribe that has been somehow overlooked for a couple of hundred years I have no problem with it.

When a new tribe is set up today it is being done solely to exploit laws exempting Indian tribes from certain laws. If they want to set up a new tribe and live by the same laws the rest of us live by that would be fine with me as well.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Speaking of no power, if I were an Indian looking for legislation to assist my casino, who would I approach: Harry Reid is a member of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee with strong relations with Indian tribes, he explained- Washington Post

We likum Harry in a heap big way…

By buff

January 11, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

McCain-Feingold is a disaster. RINO McCain, in exempting Indian tribes for campaign finance laws, had a personal agenda. I heard on the news the other day that HE gets more Indian money than anyone else in Congress

By Andy

January 11, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Rushbo!

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Morgan, the fact that you insistthere was no connection between Iraq and terrorist, shows your lack of desire to seek info that contradicts your preconcieved notions. I didn’t directly comapare 9/11 with Iraq. I compared the idiocy of the left, saying we can’t allienate the UN as we will we need them to fight the war on terrorism, then saying UN resolutions don’t neccessarily have to be enforced.

Further more, you say Saddam said he had no WMD’s. Maybe I missed it, but when did Saddam say that.

Morgan, you totally avoided the main question;

So Morgan, the inspectors left before Clinton launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998 and were not allowed back in until Bush forced them back in in 1993. So, what did you know and how were you so sure that you would risk Americans’ lives on it. Are you not glad we found out the Oil for Food Program was corrupted? If you need to ignore everything else so you can answer this question, so be it. But answer it.

Absolutely I agree it was the right thing to show the world when you sign a cease fire agreement with this great nation, you will be expected to live up to its terms in no more than twelve years.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

In addition, Daschle was a favorite of Indian tribes and received donations from 64, including five Abramoff clients. “We took about $150,000 in this last election cycle from Indian tribes around the country,” Hildebrand said. “Tom is viewed as a champion of Indian issues. We have nine tribes in South Dakota, and they worked hard for him.”

That would Tom “Chief Wounded Retiree” Daschle.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Buh Bye Little Ralphie

By Andy

January 11, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON – Sen. Patty Murray has received $55,000 in contributions from out-of-state Indian tribes that are represented by a lobbyist under scrutiny by federal investigators. 4th item on google page, cartoon boy won’t link to story…

In addition, Murray received $9,500 from Michael Smith, a one-time member of Abramoff’s lobbying team. More than half of the $55,000 from Abramoff’s tribal clients and Smith went to Murray’s leadership PAC.

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Scooter, Social Security was not intended to be a retirement plan. It’s not a substitute for and IRA or a 401K. People should still make and participate in plans for their own future, and indeed, we are free to do so.

SS is a safety net for a society in which, many of us feel, people should not die in the street in a puddle of their own feces. (Well.. that WAS the case before last September.) As unappealing as the idea of “entitlements” is to you, the fact is the safety net, in order to exist, requires government control.

You are free to make your own finanical decisions, and likely have the intelligence to do so. But there are millions of Americans for whom that would he as difficult as me designing a new space shuttle and making it fly. These are the people who work doing what you’d rather not. They clean, collect trash, load pallets at the warehouse, and make our sandwiches at lunchtime. If they were “free” to throw away SS protection on the promise of wealth, they would also become PREY to greedy, selfish, scamming bankers and investment brokers, and many would be left with nothing. Do you really want to step over them and their stench on your way to work in the morning? Or do you want an America where that doesn’t happen so much? Just asking.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Andy,

It that the same Tom Daschle that said the federal government needed to pick up the tab for airline security, thus taking that burden off the airlines and adding thousands of government employees, while he was the Senate majority leader and his wife was a lobbyist for the airline industry?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

RW: Chief Daschle gave the money to his wife so that makes him innocent.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Speaking of giving back money, does anyone believe Hillary’s brother gave back the “bribes for pardons” money.

By Brian Curtis

January 11, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Wow… you STILL manage to obsess over the Clintons. I wonder if they’re to blame for the approaching comet too?

More dodging, more spin, more smokescreens… not gonna work. Bush (already a proven traitor) and his cronies are in this up to their eyeballs and deserve a massive smackdown.

We can only hope there’s a few legislators with enough integrity (or enough concern for their re-election prospects) to follow through.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

A sitting US Senator that is more than likely to run for President in 2008 is not yesterday’s news.

Would you like to attempt to defend your charge that President Bush is a proven traitor?

By Dusty

January 11, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Well, RW,

I just don’t know how to celebrate Mama Moonbat’s great honor. Idiotarian of the year! Should I break out the champagne or will Manischevitz do? And who will be nominated for this distinctive glory next year? We might have a few right from this blog.

By RE

January 11, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

So if a republican wins the next presidential election, who will be blamed for the country’s problems?

“I’m not going to engage in the blame game,� Bush press spokesman Scott McClellan

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Andy & RW, I give money to my wife all the time. And it never makes me innocent. :(

By Andy

January 11, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Gosh, I finally found an innocent democrat:

Mikulski’s (democrat, Maryland) campaign fund got $5,000 in contributions from the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians of California; the Saginaw Chippewa of Michigan; the Mississippi Band of the Choctaw; and the Tigua tribe of Texas. All four were clients of the lobbyist (Jack Abramoff). 3rd item on google, no link.

Melissa Schwartz, a Mikulski aide, said there is no evidence that Abramoff steered the donations to the senator, adding that she never intervened in legislation on behalf of any of the tribes.

If true, there’s no crime to be convicted of.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Manischevitz will do fine, the more of it you drink the less the rest of us have to.

Idiotarian of the Year nominees will identify themselves as the year goes by.

Ted Kennedy is making a good case for himself in the Alito hearings. Sometimes they come out of nowhere, Rachel Corrie, sometimes known as St. Pancake won one year.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Sen. Tom Harkin, Democrat- Iowa, failed to account properly for two fundraisers he held in lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s skybox at Washington’s MCI Center in 2002 and 2003, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and a spokeswoman.

“He has no recollection of ever meeting Mr. Abramoff,� she said. Although the name on the outside of the skybox said “Jack Abramoff,� a handful of Abramoff’s tribal clients, including the Choctaws and the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians, paid for the box over the years.

Michael D. Smith, a lobbyist at Greenberg Traurig, represented the Sac and Fox tribe from Iowa and would likely have had significant contact with Harkin’s office. Smith’s sister, Pam, is Harkin’s legislative director.

“Mr. Harkin, I believe you know your cellmate, Chief Daschle.”

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Is it possible that Abramoff reached across the aisle with his $$ in a “spirit of bipartisanship?”

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Kimberly that was well nuanced. People dying in the streets in puddles of their own feces? How often does that happen and did government not ensure them the same opportunities I had. I am the son of a mill village child and wasn’t born with much. I worked in many of those jobs you speak of and yes they sucked, but that was my motivation to stop the excuses and proceed forward. I worked at those jobs and went to college when I could. My pappy always told me; “boy you can spend your time making excuses or you can spend it making progress and only one will get you ahead.â€? However, liberals/”progressives” will make an excuse for anything and anybody if it will allot more dependency to government.

“free to throw away� and “would also become PREY to greedy, selfish� Those certainly are some presumptuous generalizations don’t you think? And Kimberly, I do want an America where there aren’t many hopeless people; I just think government has a conflict of interest in pursuing that goal. Government gets its power from people who can’t survive without it, so what is their motivation to make people self sufficient?

Also, my best learned lessons are those that carried heavy consequences and dems work to minimize those consequences thereby reducing the need to learn from bad decisions. The democratic party will lead us to a country of mediocrity like France or Germany.

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Share, share alike as my momma always said…

By Dusty

January 11, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

Do you ever tell the truth? NO!

Calling the president a “proven traitor” is not dissent, but character assassination at its worst. You are a disgrace to this country. Why don’t you blog on al-Jazeera where they appreciate Americans like you?

By Andy

January 11, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) wrote letters on behalf of one faction of the Meskwaki Tribe of Iowa with the help of one of Jack Abramoff’s associates, the Associated Press reports.

I would hate to be Tom Harkin.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Brian Curtis doesn’t need to go all the way to al-Jazeera to find like minded people.

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

The Associated Press?!?! Liberal commie pinko b-astards everyone of them. That story can’t possible have any merit or truth to it!

By Morgan

January 11, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Scooter -

Further more, you say Saddam said he had no WMD’s. Maybe I missed it, but when did Saddam say that.

Saddam Reiterates Iraq Has no Banned Weapons - Monday, November 18, 2002 would indicate it wasn’t the first claim he made.

It’s shouldn’t be just American lives we value. “To fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here” is cowardly and I think the Iraqi people would prefer that the war be fought somewhere else. Would Duh-bya call for air strikes in a U.S. metropolitan area to fight “terrorists?” (If we don’t have an “official” count of Iraq civilian casualties, we don’t care about consequences.)

By buff

January 11, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

RW,

did you hear Arlen Spectre smack down Teddy? It was hilarious

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Your stretching it a bit there Andy. Harkin dictates a position letter to an Abramoff associate who types it up for him and THAT’S government corruption?

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Good old Tom Harkin (D-IOWA) ringleader of the Paul Wellstone memorial campaign rally, chief cheerleader of Howard Dean at the Iowa meltdown, and good friend of Jack Abramoff.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

buff,

That was a hoot, Teddy needs to have his dog Splash tell that story in an upcoming childrens book.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: What don’t you understand about “on behalf” and the implication of that when money has exchanged hands? Is it possible that your confusion results from the lack of “Republican” not being included in the story? Please.

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Scooter, you make some good points. I think there would be more validity to those points IF we all were born with the same capabilities. But we’re not, Dude. Not trying to sound MEAN, but some folks are just not bright. (We all have DIFFERENT gifts and talents.) But they ARE Americans and part of our society. Social Security is for people who WORK and pay into it; therefore it is not an encouragement for laziness as other programs might be. Confession time: I’m TERRIBLE with math and percentages. For my financial future, I have to trust somebody ELSE. You gonna give me your guy’s number and promise he won’t screw me over? (uh-huh) Are you saying that understanding today’s complex financial environment is a capability everyone SHOULD have, and if we don’t, we’re either bad, lazy, or didn’t try hard enough? The GED blue-collar dad who works three jobs to feed his family without gubmint help, and still manages to chip a fiver into the plate on Sunday…. when does he have time to take some Finance classes at the local community college so he can understand the fine print on his money papers?

And yes, travel to the poor parts of India or Africa… Watch some news footage from the New Orleans Convention center four months ago. People dying in the street in their own feces. Not something I want happening in MY America.

By RE

January 11, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Anyone ever try to come to a consensus on issues instead of hurling insults and insinuations back and forth?

Here it goes, tell me if you agree:

What I would like from my government

A smaller less intrusive government that obeys it’s contitutional limits and obligations

Accountability in representitives, from all parties. If you commit a crime, you should not be in office.

Free and open trade, but with safegaurds on enviornmental and workplace conditions.

Free trade also means accountability in courts, sometimes the court is the only place a company will be held accountable.

Move back toward an originalist reading of the constitution.

Strong national defense, but not conduct nation building missions

SOund balanced fiscal policy, no more spending ourselves into a hole. Right now China has more influence on our economy as Greenspan.

I also would love to see the RNC and DNC investigated under the RICO statutes, if they are not both corrupt orginizations, I do not know what is.

By buff

January 11, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Kimberly,

Yes, I am free to invest my own money, and I do, but I AM NOT free to opt out of Socialist Security

People, not government, should be responsible for their own needs

Perhaps if that failed program did note exist more people would be responsible

Consider this, if you tried to begin a private program such as Socialist Security it would never pass government regulations

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Kimberly’s arguement has no foundation, regarding SS being a “safety net” for those (dollar-wise or intellectually)unable to save for their own retirement. How many old people are snookered out of their meager SS pensions by scam artists? You can’t guarantee they’ll stay out of the gutter, anyway. Perfect example is the old lady in ATL that just got scammed out of $700K. She obviously was WELL prepared for her retirement, but was “free to throw away” her funds, and became “PREY” because she was a little greedy & selfish herself. “You can give a man a fish, but you can’t keep him from putting it in his ear!” That’s what WELFARE is for anyway! Doesn’t Welfare come out of our tax dollars to keep people from dying in the gutter? Why have two programs, with the bureaucracy entailed, to serve the same purpose. Oh, Yeah. Answer is in the same sentance: bureaucracy

By Andy

January 11, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Are you pinkos really that dense? Are you trying to tell us that the crime here is being associated with Abramoff? How, exactly, can this be considered a crime? Is it really that hard to understand that buying influence from a congressman is the real wrongdoing here? Why do I pay so much in taxes for public education? Why don’t we all just take that money and get stoned? It won’t make a dam-n bit of difference. (RLMFAO)

By buff

January 11, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

physicsDawg

I have to feel a bit sorry for that old lady’s heirs. But, she was just greedy

What scares is that someone that dumb was driving an automoble

By Dusty

January 11, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

RE,

Seems to me we already have laws on the books that cover almost all of your points.

You might add: Abolish all natural disasters and enemy attacks on our country because they ruin our budget.

As ‘tis said,”We see through a glass darkly”, until Democrats are back in power. Wasn’t that on your list too?

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

If only she were smart enough to use email. I’ve got MILLIONS I need to get out of Nigeria…

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

The debate over whether to have private social security accounts is another example of Democratic hyprocisy. The claim to be the party of choice. But not on whether to invest your own money. Or for that matter to send your child to a better school if his or her current school is failing. Why not give people the choice of how to invest their own money? If they don’t want to, they can keep their money in their social security account. Individuals will always do better managing their own money than the government will

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

Sooooo… basically here’s the feedback I’m getting: I am a jack@ss and an idiot because I actually CARE that elderly, sick, or disabled people in my own society can survive when they can no longer care for themselves. Is that it? ‘Cause you’re all bellyaching about bureaucracy, but no one’s offering any concern for those people.

Funny…. When Christ said, “These people are hungry. Let’s feed ‘em,” He’s a God. When I say it, I’m a socialist. Riiiiiight. Nice chatting with y’all. Good to know what kind of neighbors I have.

BTW, those of you sneering and laughing at the old lady, may you all wake up tomorrow in her shoes.

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Mike Rogers, R, Member of Congress from Michigan speaking about the Republican leadership in Congress: “We have lost our way…” Abramoff is singing. He spends 8 to 10 hours a day with Federal Prosecutors. This thing has legs. It is a hopeful sign of our great nation that justice will prevail.

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

I actually felt a little sorry for her. Hey, it could’ve been my grandma. Until I read the particulars: She was abetting someone who found $8.5 mil., we’re going to try to find the rightful owner, and wanted to get it out of the country without paying taxes. She deserves every bit for trying to be just as much of a crook as them. I really hope they catch the B@stards, and they can all share a cell. (she really doesn’t deserve jail my granny would smack me for that suggestion, but any recovered funds should be donated to charity.)

By getalife

January 11, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Told you Alito lied under oath about his alumni group membership.

D’oh!

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Daniel, you are pretty funny. Justice will prevail and those guilty will be found. But you make the point yourself, which party in Congress is talking about the issue and suggesting fixes, its the GOP

By RE

January 11, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Laws are on the books, but not enforced. A republican will not be investigated by a republican controlled house, just as a democrat would not be investigated by a democrat controlled house. Part loyalty has trumped law and basic morality

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Her shoes probably cost what I make in a week, But I’m sure I’d look funny in them, Thanks…

By Dusty

January 11, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

Oh, good one, physicsDawg,

You made me laugh. Strange, though. I, too, have money in Nigeria. Small world, isn’t it? Wonder if they also have Indian tribes there.

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

That’s “weren’t” going to try and find the owners, sorry

By buff

January 11, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, I do feel bad for the old lady, but, remembers thought she was going to make a quick 3+ million, so, greed was her motive

And, if you care about those sick, elderly, etc. use your money if you CHOOSE to give it to them. To support this program is to hate today’s young workers

Plus, your whole argument is based upon emotion and lacks logic. Socialist Security is a horrible ponzi scheme that if failed economic policy

Bus, I do not think you are a jack@ss, probably just a leftist who “feels their pain,” which is OK

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Ricky: I started work at 14. I am now a senior. I have paid into this system, by law for almost fifty years. The government promised me a retirement. I want them held to that. This reckless gang of crooks is borrowing and spending like crazy. Is my retirement safe? Will these selfish b*stards protect me and my family? The short answer is: No. You say: “Individuals always do better…” That is simply dead wrong. Read todays paper, and this blog.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, those are the excuses I was talking about, thanks. I can show you some brokerage houses and financial advisors, but I can’t assure you they won’t exploit your ignorance of finance. What I can do is assure you that there are far more honest brokers than corrupt ones and they will make some money off of your earnings. However, I can also assure you that government can never be trusted with individual’s money.

That blue collar GED dad working three jobs… yeah I know a couple of those and their personal pride will not allow them to use their vote to steal someone else’s wealth. That is why the left has demonized the successful and the private sector, so people will feel more secure with gubment control. Power to government is their objective, you just don’t see it. What did you think about the gubment being conflicted when it comes to making individuals self sufficient?

New Orleans four months ago was a perfect display of the consequences of Johnson’s great society’s reaction to god’s destruction. The self sufficient citizens are down there trying to rebuild, Johnson’s folk are in hotel rooms looking for the next handout.

Nobody is saying you are stupid because you care, we are saying you are misguided to put government in charge of something the private charities are more efficient at. Again, do you see how government has a conflict of interest in this arena? I bet you don’t like conflicts of interest in the private sector, what about the public sector?

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

To link my off-subject remarks to what’s going on: Maybe Lobbyists should start using Nigerians to route money to politicians…

By Andy

January 11, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

RE: What kind of nonsense news source do you consult everyday? You got to be kidding me, you don’t read the AJC, do you? Duke Cunningham and Tom Delay, Republicans, both resigned their posts without being found guilty. They did the right thing. There are a lot of others that need to step down, both pinko and Conservative.

These pinkos are a trip. It’s like the 8 sorry, dark years of Clinton never existed. When did these democrats become George Freakin Washington with the cherry tree here? Do they not know about google yet?

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Daniel, you will get your social security. I am 26, will I get mine? Not if it isn’t fixed. Why not let me invest my money the why I want to? Individuals as a whole, will make better decisions regarding their money than the government will. Social Security is a good idea. Many seniors will need some assistance when they retire. I am not saying get rid of it, I am saying fix and provide the working American who makes this country run the option of how to prepare for their retirement.

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

Ricky: I seek American solutions to our problems. I believe the Republican Party can be a positive force for reform, I DO NOT CARE WHETHER IT IS A DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. Is that clear? I am not a partisan. I want good government. The law is the law. A crook is a crook. The genius in American government is in “Checks and Balances” That is liberals check conservatives; and the reverse is true. The danger today is that a pack of greedy lunatics have hijacked the Republican Party. I cite Rogers, Flake, and Jones as a hope for all of us. All Americans benefit from good government. Now, we have bad government.

By buff

January 11, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Scooter, Amen

Ricky, at your age you are screwed

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Ricky: Don’t fix what isn’t broke. What happens if you make a mistake? What happens if you are ripped off? Will I have to pay to rescue you? Look, “Hope for the best, plan for the worst” Our SS system is a floor, nothing more.

By RE

January 11, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

google, a very good source:

SAN DIEGO – Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham resigned from Congress Monday morning after pleading guilty to conspiring to take bribes in exchange for using his influence to help a defense contractor get business.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

New Orleans four months ago was a perfect display of the consequences of Johnson’s great society’s reaction to god’s destruction. The self sufficient (Translation: those with MONEY) citizens are down there trying to rebuild, Johnson’s folk (Those who NEVER HAD SQUAT) are in hotel rooms looking for the next handout (OR A CHANCE TO MAKE A STANDARD WAGE rebuilding their own city.)

Dude… what can I say? I was glued to the news coverage, know some affected people, and have followed the rebuilding efforts, to some degree, ever since. But I have NEVER come to the conclusions that YOU have. Dude…. How many years has Johnson been dead? How many of our tax dollars funded an agency called FEMA (not the only culprit, to be sure) — one that, under current leadership was unable to perform the basic functions INDICATED IN ITS TITLE. If the Federal Gubmint can’t be trusted to assist people in times of disaster, the WHY OH WHY are we paying for them, and um… praising their substandard performance. (Shouldn’t Brownie have to sink or swim on his merits like the rest of us?) OH, I’m sorry. This was JOHNSON’s fault? Dude… Please bring me some of what you’re smoking! I am totally stressed today.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Daniel, I agree that we need good government as well. Checks and balances has worked for over 200 years and continues to work. I am not being partisan either, I have stated many times on here that there are GOP members who are probably going to fall during this lobbying scandal. However, my point is that I am tired of hearing people bash one party and have no solutions to the problem they are railing against.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

“A government that has the power to provide all is a government that has the power to take away all” I think it was Eisenhower that said that.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

So the Dems on the Judiciary committee have been railing against Alito because of Roe vs Wade, their litmus test. In the 3 cases he heard on the 3rd Circuit, he ruled in favor of the pro-choice side twice. The Dems really are embarrassing themselves on this one. These hearings really use to be about the qualifications of a judge, but after the Bork hearings the Dems have turned them into a political hearing where they trully show how deep they are in the pockets of the pro-choice interest groups.

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

He’s TWENTY-SIX? Oh good Lord have mercy. I’m not debating someone who doesn’t even remember when 18-year-olds could drink, or that Snuffalupagus was a secret that only Big Bird knew. Ricky, sweet child.. what do you know of the world? Seriously. Your thirties are going to come as a BIG shock to your system, that’s for sure!

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, you have to go to Humboldt County to get what I have.

Brian even mentioned it earlier, but do you know why the president can’t use the military within our own borders? Also, why has all of the blame been placed on Bush’s shoulders. I’m not saying you placed it there, but the dems sure were quick to place blame. But, that is what they call intellect.

Johnson helped to create the entitlement mentality and dependency that was displayed after Katrina. Granted, the Great depression and FDR helped.

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Ricky: I get that. This government only divides us. My generation has benefited greatly from past excellent American leadership. The list includes Eisenhower. This government is failing you. They have betrayed us. It is up to us to change it. By holding government accountable all of us benefit. The leadership today does not care about us. They care about their friends, power, and money. The problem in leadership today is present on this blog. They do not unite us. They divide us. And, that is sad.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

Kimberly,

FEMA was instituted by Jimmy Carter and it worked just fine until this administration.

I work right next door to them.

When Katrina hit, and the fiaso ensued, I strolled over to see what was up.

The place was in full damage control mode.

By Ronnie

January 11, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Alito can’t open his mouth without lying, he is identical to his mentor W.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Ricky — I knew you were very young.

Always have.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

kimberly, I have seen more than enough of the world. I have spent 18 months in Iraq watching friends die and seeing poor people that have never know freedom fight to enjoy freedom for the first time. I have seen freedom at its best and worst. I have seen the world change when 3,000 of my fellow Americans were killed for simply being Americans. Is that enough of the world for you Kimberly?

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

Daniel, the country is divided because the poor have been led to believe they are entitled to things provided by someone elses money. It is the democratic party that feeds off animosity and envy of the rich. The republicrats try to provide opportunities before the dems regulate them away.

By Dusty

January 11, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

physicsDawg,

Not necessary to link off-subject remarks to what’s going on. But…I, for one, am donating all my Nigerian money to Nigerian Indian tribes so they can open casinos. A precautionary note; “I did not have any er…relations with that Abramoff!” (in case I go into politics.)

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

You two are mean! All of us were young once.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Humboldt County, If I had any sense, I would smoke it.

kimberly,

Keep in mind that some people blindly follow the biggest criminals this country has ever seen. The culture of corruption can’t be trusted, period

By Andy

January 11, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

RE: Cunningham plead guilty, he was not found guilty. He did the honorable thing, admitted to his mistakes. Show me one democrat out of what, 50,000,000, that has ever done that.

By why not

January 11, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Oh Good Idea Scooter blame it on a section of the populas with no power in polotics yes folks its all the poor peoples fault I mean if they have such a hard time getting by why don’t they just invest in Billion dollar offshore banking while eating cavier in their mansions? I mean who TRIES TO SURVIVE on low income budgets?

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Midori, I knew you were blindly partisan. Always have.

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Scooter: Give it a rest. I don’t need anything from any of them. I’ve made my own opportunities. Thank you. I ask only for honesty, frugality, competency and decency. We have gotten none of that from these bums. We are betrayed. We are in deep sh*t. It’s going to get much, much worse. We are being lied to. We can, I believe, pull this back. I’m just a small fry. I write letter s to them and get back BS. Jeff Flake gives us hope.

By RE

January 11, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

It’s tough to find any democrat congressmen recently who have plead guilty, maybe they should be commiting more crimes so they have the oppertunity

Nice distinction between pleading guilty and being found guilty, I guess like you said before that absolves him of any wrong doing

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

RE, what about Jim Trafacont, I think thats his name. The Congressman from Ohio, isn’t he in jail now

By Andy

January 11, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and DeLay, R-Sugar Land, received the same amount ($30,500) in contributions since 1999 from fallen lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his Indian tribe clients.

Look’s like we can tack some perjury onto Harry’s rap sheet.

By why not

January 11, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

Oh Ricky Back to the sheild of god country and biegn a veteran you do know you can’t just revolve your entire life around 18 months (oh and in case you didn’t know living in constant terror is not enjoying freedom)

-for all your homies

By RE

January 11, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

I did go to this site, which seems pretty well informed, and I cannot find much of anything recent in there so far as any charges being brought, lots of innuendo however:

http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm

By getalife

January 11, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Most of them will take a deal and plead guilty then turn in their buddies. For instance, Duke wore a wire and I think Tom is wearing one right now!

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

why not, thanks for educating me on the fact that I can’t revovle my life around 18 months. i didn’t know that. They didn’t teach me that in college. Oh and in case you didn’t know, the vast majority of Iraqis are living in constant terror. And thanks for the snide remark about my fellow soldiers who are willing to give something back to their country

By RE

January 11, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

for balance, here is a republican scandal site, it is more recent and there is a lot more on there

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/index_np.html

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

getalife, Duke’s lawyers are saying he didn’t wear a wire. they of course just might be trying to make their client look good.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

I had forgotten this one, thanks for reminding me RE: John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

So Murtha is a crook who still holds power in Congress, and, in fact, is actively trying to get us to surrender to Arabs. Is this not like a really weird conflict of interest?

By why not

January 11, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Oh come now Ricky every time I see you all you’re doing is I FOUGHT IN IRAQ YOU UNPATRIOTIC *#$% almost makes me wonder if you’re related to Cheney…

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Ricky, I am so glad you made it back, and hope you are in one piece. You have a good ten to twelve years before the REAL disillusionment kicks in. I hope you will live your life to the fullest between now and then. God bless!

By getalife

January 11, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

Duke’s lawyers are saying he didn’t wear a wire except with defense contractors and not fellow Republicans. The truth will come out in court, so he will get a lighter sentence. I am looking forward to it. I am sure Iraq will be mentioned.

By sickoftheneocons

January 11, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Andy I have a question for you and I hope you’ll answer honestly: Has there EVER been ANY Democrat in the entire 229 year history of the United States that you think EVER did ANYTHING worthwhile EVER?

By getalife

January 11, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Andy likes John Murtha and mentions him all the time.

By RE

January 11, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Thanks Andy, I agree, lets get all the politicians who had shady dealings with arabs out of office now:

President Bush and the bin Laden family have been connected through dubious business deals since 1977, when Salem, the head of the bin Laden family business, one of the biggest construction companies in the world, invested in Bush’s start-up oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc.

James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden’s brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.

Through a tangled web of Saudi multi-millionaires, Texas oilmen, and the infamous Bank of Credit and Commerce International, Bush was financially linked with the bin Laden family until Salem met an untimely end in a freak flying accident near San Antonio in 1988.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

RE: Nice way to say you couldn’t find anything. A Salon list of unproven kook paranoia delusions is not exactly what I was looking for.

By why not

January 11, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Andy how are we to surrender to a race again? I wonder if you pass an Arabic person on the street if you start screaming at them how were not going to surrender

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

You’re wasting your time.

By RE

January 11, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

If you don’t like what an article says, discredit the source…..sounds familiar

What exactally would be a proven source?

By kimberly

January 11, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Andy, so the Carlyle Group is a fairy tale invented by Howard Dean and the DNC? Um-hmmm. Okay.

By RE

January 11, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

If you don’t like what an article says, discredit the source…..sounds familiar

What exactally would be a proven source? how about this from the texas observer

After the death of Mohammed bin Laden, control of the company passed to Salem bin Laden, Osama’s half brother. The roots of the first known Bush-bin Laden convergence date back to the mid-1970s, when the two clans were linked by a Houston businessman named James R. Bath. Bath had befriended George W. Bush in the late 1960s, when they both served in the Texas Air National Guard. By 1976, when Gerald Ford appointed the elder George Bush as CIA director, Bath was acting as a business agent for Salem bin Laden’s interests in Texas. (Texas and Saudi Arabia were well-connected by this point through U.S. oil companies and related industries with operations in both locations.) In 1991 Time magazine and later other publications reported on allegations by Bath’s former business partner that the Bush CIA hired Bath in 1976 to create offshore companies to move CIA funds and aircraft between Texas and Saudi Arabia.

After W. lost a bid for Congress, he decided to launch an oil company in Midland in 1979. For $50,000, Bath bought a 5 percent stake in W.’s Arbusto (Spanish for “Bush”) partnerships. At the time, Bath also served as business agent for several prominent Saudis, including Salem bin Laden. In exchange for a percentage of the deals, Bath made U.S. investments for these clients in his own name, according to Time. Although Bath has said that he invested his own money in Arbusto, not Saudi money, the fact that he was Salem’s agent at the time has fueled speculation that Osama bin Laden’s eldest brother was an early investor in W.’s first oil venture. It was around the time of this investment, incidentally, that Osama bin Laden made his first trip to the Khyber Pass, where he would soon join the Mujaheddin and the CIA in the holy war that expelled the Soviets from Afghanistan. (Salem, for his part, owned a house in Marble Falls, and died in a 1988 plane crash near San Antonio.)

By RE

January 11, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

maybe the texas observer?

After the death of Mohammed bin Laden, control of the company passed to Salem bin Laden, Osama’s half brother. The roots of the first known Bush-bin Laden convergence date back to the mid-1970s, when the two clans were linked by a Houston businessman named James R. Bath. Bath had befriended George W. Bush in the late 1960s, when they both served in the Texas Air National Guard. By 1976, when Gerald Ford appointed the elder George Bush as CIA director, Bath was acting as a business agent for Salem bin Laden’s interests in Texas. (Texas and Saudi Arabia were well-connected by this point through U.S. oil companies and related industries with operations in both locations.) In 1991 Time magazine and later other publications reported on allegations by Bath’s former business partner that the Bush CIA hired Bath in 1976 to create offshore companies to move CIA funds and aircraft between Texas and Saudi Arabia.

After W. lost a bid for Congress, he decided to launch an oil company in Midland in 1979. For $50,000, Bath bought a 5 percent stake in W.’s Arbusto (Spanish for “Bush”) partnerships. At the time, Bath also served as business agent for several prominent Saudis, including Salem bin Laden. In exchange for a percentage of the deals, Bath made U.S. investments for these clients in his own name, according to Time. Although Bath has said that he invested his own money in Arbusto, not Saudi money, the fact that he was Salem’s agent at the time has fueled speculation that Osama bin Laden’s eldest brother was an early investor in W.’s first oil venture. It was around the time of this investment, incidentally, that Osama bin Laden made his first trip to the Khyber Pass, where he would soon join the Mujaheddin and the CIA in the holy war that expelled the Soviets from Afghanistan. (Salem, for his part, owned a house in Marble Falls, and died in a 1988 plane crash near San Antonio.)

By dubya

January 11, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

What’s the count so far today?? How many suckered US troops and innocent Iraqis have been murdered so far by our Republiscum cowards under the scam of “freedom and democracy”?

Why not try at little of the latter here at “home”?

By getalife

January 11, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

[Does anybody else think this is really weird?](http://freund.typepad.com/myweblog/images/bushsaudi.jpg

By getalife

January 11, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Is this weird?

By RE

January 11, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

I got a missing page from that link

By Scott

January 11, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Oh puhleeze! Closest thing to a uniform Ricky or any of his little friends here ever wore were jail togs for DWI or some other act of cowardice. Get real with these liars! No “heroes” on this site. Only silent ones.

By Jay not jay

January 11, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Scott, you are an a-hole. You don’t know anything about what is going on in here, so be your so called hero and shut the fu** up

By why not

January 11, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

getalife, not only is it weird but at the time this picture was taken they were talking about flowers

By RE

January 11, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Maybe that picture could be the basis of a brokeback mountain sequel, Bush is a cowboy after all

By Andy

January 11, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Are we done with our trip into the fever swamps yet? Are you kooks happy to get the moonbats rustling in here? Bin Laden and Bush working, my goodness, you people are lost, lost in the freakin woods.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Scott, obviously you have never served your country. If you had you wouldn’t be calling those of us who have served liars. While I disagree with Rep Murtha’s plan, I will never slander him or call him a coward out of respect for his service to my country. I think he is dead wrong on this one though

By Andy

January 11, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

RW: Guess what I learned today, courtesy of Salon. Bush was throwing people out of the top of the burning World Trade Centers and he rode a bubble to the ground, unharmed, when they collapsed. And then he called Osama and asked where he’d like his family delivered. Seriously. That’s what RE told me.

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

RE, all that history of links between Bush-binLaden families is fascinating. However, it is entirely irrelevant. We all know that Osama was “acceptable company” back then. Remember, we sent him LOADS of support to help fight the Ruskies in Afghanistan? It was after that when he became a state enemy.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

George W. Bush and Saudi Prince star in Brokeback Mountain II

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

physicsDawg, you are falling prey to a common belief that is totally false. During the war in Afghanistan, the CIA gave funds to the Afghani fighters, not to the fighters that came in from out of country. Could the Afghani forces given that money to Osama and his Saudi buddies, sure, but the fact is he never recieved money from the CIA

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Oh, Yeah, and who would you call if you wanted to start an oil venture? The caribou that “roam freely” across ANWAR?

By why not

January 11, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

JESUS CHRIST RICKY!!! will you never shut up about the military for one G******* second? JUST BECAUSE YOU SERVED IN THE ARMY DOESNT MEAN PEOPLE CAN”T SAY BAD STUFF ABOUT YOU it’s your right to say whatever you want about whoever the f**k you want you’re always going on about this country and how great it is how come you never read about the free speech part? I bet you weren’t sticking up for Kerry when swiftboat came around were you?

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Andy,

It must be true if RE found it on the internet. I read that Bill Clinton was the real life Manchurian candidate, but the USSR fell before he could get elected.

By RE’s standards I guess he was, I naively thought sometimes people make stuff up.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

why not, settle down man. No reason to get all fired up. People can say whatever they want. I have never told anyone that they couldn’t. I don’t respect because of the way he acted when he returned from Vietnam. He told flat out lies in front of Congress and tranished his service by doing that. Scott basically called me a liar and I was defending myself. My point was that people who have served almost always have a mutual respect for others that have served, my example being John Murtha. I disagree with him but still respect him. Wesley Clarke, same thing.

By RE

January 11, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Wow, I didn’t realize I said all that. All I was suggesting is that the Bin Laden and Bush families have close ties that go back for years. That is in response to your suggestion that Murtha is somehow trying to help “arabs” by proposing a withdrawl from Iraq. So is it your contention now that there is no connection between the families?

By buff

January 11, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

why not

Why do you keep changing names?

Your writing habits are very distinct

By getalife

January 11, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Man, Mr. Murtha is very popular on this blog.

Murtha for Congress!

By buff

January 11, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Ricky

Thanks for your service

I served in Nam because I was drafted. You volunteered and I have a great deal of respect for you and others who CHOSE to go to war

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Oh, My bad.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I think Mothra should immediately redeploy to Okinawa and run for whatever they run for there. He is good at running these days.

By RE

January 11, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

So RW, this is all made up. Can you prove that or are you just speculating?

By why not

January 11, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

buff what the hell are you talking about ive always beent why not who else are you talking about

By getalife

January 11, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

RW,

Mothra, who is Mothra. Oh, you must be speaking of the great marine veteran Mr. Murtha. I know how ya’ll feel about him in Atlanta

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

RE,

If you choose to believe that President Bush threw people out of the burning World Trade Center buildings and floated to safety on a magic bubble that’s your business.

I won’t think any less of you for it.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It looks like Mothra already made it to Okinawa.

Impeach Murtha!

By Andy

January 11, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Yeah, RW, prove it. Cynthia McKinney is the one who discovered Bush’s evil circle of Bin Laden cooperation, it has to be true. By the way, RE, do you have permission to float Cynthia’s ideas? I believe this is her intellectual property we are talking about.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

There was someone on this blog who several months back claimed that the WTC was blown up from the inside

By Dusty

January 11, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

What is this? Anti-American Day or something? getalife—take your meds. You’re hallucinating again. RE—get back in your mud hole and roll. why not—you are simply despicable. Go back to your rat hole where your language is acceptable.

It would be very nice if some of you people didn’t act like you are really big buddies to terrorists. All the support you are giving them makes it obvious. And believe me, I am not the only one that has noticed.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

It seems someone is paying attention to Joe “Hairplugs” Biden

By RE

January 11, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

All I stated was that the Bush family and Bin Laden family have long standing ties. I must have hit a nerve. Hey, if Bush SR is still a part of the Carlyle group and still gets funding from the bin laden family, shouldn’t he be on a watchlist?

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Joe Biden continues to embarrass himself at these hearings. In the first 12 minutes of his questioning of Alito, he asked exactly one question. On CNN Wolf Blitzer even said Biden was one of those guys that had fallen in love with his own voice. Between him and Chuck “I need to be on TV” Schumer, they are quite a pair.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Thanks Dusty,

It is that time to pop my pills.

NSA, I am not calling Al Quaalude.

By physicsDawg

January 11, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Cynthia McKinney’s “Intellectual Property” is like owning an acre-sized sand Dune in the desert. Can’t do anything with it, and the wind will relocate it soon enough.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Another corruption case for you, this one’s in your neck of the woods

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

You didn’t generalize did you.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

OH MY GOD!!

This is sooooooooooo funny!!!!!!!!!!

Andy how are we to surrender to a race again? I wonder if you pass an Arabic person on the street if you start screaming at them how were not going to surrender

By buff

January 11, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Right on, some of these wackos hate Bush so much that they would harm the country if it hurts him. truly sad

To em, Bush is an economic disaster, but, at least he is dealing with national security in the right way

By RE

January 11, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

And for reference, the source was the Texas Observer, not Cynthia McKinney

By Midori

January 11, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

Buff,

How did you get your username?

If I’m not being to nosy.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

If the NSA is listening to calls from Al Quaalude why can’t they trace the call and get them?

By RE

January 11, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

I do Apologize, I did not realize how important Bush is to all of you. I will try to forget all information that ties him to the bin laden family. If only you could set up a “re education camp” for me, this would be a lot easier.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

It has surprised me over the last two days that not many of our more liberal friends have been making a big deal about the confirmation hearings. I wonder why? I think even they realize these hearings have become a joke. And why has that happened you might ask? Because of the way the treated Judge Bork and Thomas. Yesterday on MSNBC Chris Matthews asked Joe Biden if the Bork hearings hadn’t destroyed the process. Biden couldn’t help but keep a huge smile from crossing his face, like that was the single greatest accomplishment of his life.

By FeFe

January 11, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Are we still hating on Cynthia because she made up all the so called lies about Bush wanting to revenge his daddy’s honor. I guess next you will tell me that weapons of mass destruction were found.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Alito’s wife thinks the hearings are a “joke”, Ricky.

She left the room crying.

Maybe something hit home, eh?

You are such a follower.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

Question from Republican: Are you a clone?

Sheese.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

If Liberals who hate Bush are “whackos”, what are people who love him?

Inquiring minds want to know………

By buff

January 11, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Midori, that is not too nosy

In a grade school play I was “Buffalo Bill” and the nickname has stuck ever since

Plus, I am cute naked if one has consumed enough hard liquor :)

By Andy

January 11, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

RE: I don’t think we need to take such drastic measures as a “reeducation camp” with you. I believe it would suffice if you would just stop being so ridiculous. Think about what you are saying before you shout it out in a crowded room. You’ll save yourself a lot of humiliation.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

oooooooooooooooooo

Buff is frisky :)

By getalife

January 11, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

It was another question by another member of the culture of corruption: Are you a closet bigot?

Sheese.

By buff

January 11, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I support Bush b/c of security and tax cuts, but, I think he has been a failure on domestic spending

BTW, I voted Libertarian in ‘00 and ‘04

By getalife

January 11, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

buff is the stuff.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

“After three full days of attacks against her husband’s character, Mrs. Alito had enough. Democrat behavior during this hearing has not only been wrong, it’s been embarrassing. Ted Kennedy is nothing but a bully.�

All of you pinkos should be so proud of yourselves. This man is your intellectual superior, which isn’t saying much, all you can do is bully and falsely slander him in front of his wife and kids? Have you no shame?

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Is culture of corruption some kind of club?

This guy will be questioning Alito next

By buff

January 11, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Midori

As frisky as a mid 50s guy can be, which is not what it used to be

By RE

January 11, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Andy, that is funny.

Do you understand the concept of Irony?

By getalife

January 11, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

WTH, warning please. I just lost my buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Sorry, I thought you were talking about Culture Club.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

FeFe,

This guy says high.

By Ricky

January 11, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Midori, you call me a follower for supporting Alito, yet you offer nothing to dispute that is a extremely well qualified candidate for the Supreme Court.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

Ricky, I wanted to tell you earlier, but procrastinated. Anyway, thank you for your service. My past has been checkered, both politically and logically, but a serious brain injury changed all of that. Since the injury I have changed my attitude towards America and I see the long term strategy being played out before our very eyes. Ironically it is that very brain injury that prevents me from serving in the Corps. Long story short, I fear I will go to my grave with the regret of not serving my country in this ambitious endeavor.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

Scooter: For someone who has suffered a brain injury, you are very bright indeed.

By Brian Curtis

January 11, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

RE, Daniel: You’re doing great work here. Very reasonable proposals, lots of supporting evidence for your claims… in general, you’re making the usual gang of neocon tools-n-fools look like the idiots they are.

Good work!

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

why not: At a time when this country is in search of honor, you will find it in military service. Always has been, always will be. Your defense of Scott’s rantings is poorly directed.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

OO, I am sure that depends on who you talk to.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Wearing a wire seems to be in vogue and I love to follow trends. Exactly where do I get one.

Have you gotten “fluffy” yet.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

I too have a brain injury due to a stroke. I would have never known until your recent post.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

OO,

The FBI would be able to help you out and Duke could show you the ropes.

No fluffy, just you and me.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Are you inferring that Scooter’s recent post was indicative of someone with a brain injury? Just kidding, I know what you meant. Was that a Bushism?

By getalife

January 11, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

OO,

You speak much better than our President. My spelling and grammer needs a good spell checker program.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

Ricky — from day one I could tell that you are:

a. very young, and

b. a follower.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

who wants to see Buff in the buff??

:)

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

BC: Thank you. Our Nation has gone astray. Never in World History has one country forced Democracy upon another. Democracy must come from within. Put aside, for a second, the lies of the government (No small task), if the reasons they now state for war are valid (A very large task); History says the effort will fail.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

I’m listening to CSPAN callers re: today’s session.

Most are commendable of the Democrat’s questioning.

Democrat AND Republican callers.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Correct grammar is nice, but if you get your point across, that’s all that matters. So you’ve been buuuzzzzzzing today? Let me guess, flying low over the halls of corruption.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

P.S. Ricky,

I say this because I have a daughter a little older than you — she is 30.

She is a follower, too.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Midori: Just my opinion, and you are a firm believer in honoring the differences. But if Ted Kennedy opened his mouth, it could not possibly have been commendable. He is a scandalous individual. Just my opinion!

By getalife

January 11, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

OO,

Got me a fresh batch of meds so I feel no pain. Talking about corruption makes me smile :-)

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Midori,

If the same standard were applied to you and you were slandered with and made to take ownership of all the words found on any of the web sites you send us to you wouldn’t be too happy about it and your family would have every right to be upset.

By RE

January 11, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Age is only a number, experience counts for much more.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

Midori: The questioning was so “commendable” that Lindsey Graham felt the need to apologize for it. Most drunken rampaging democrat jackboot woman drowners probably do inspire awe from their hopeless following on Cspan.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Why do Mothers and daughters have totally different political views?

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Hey, seeing me naked would make some of the homophobes on this blog admit their true sexuality

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

getalife, While I don’t post much, in comparison to many, I do check in and read post/links. I have seen you mention your rehab and always took a since of respect for your struggles. Like Ricky respects other soldiers’ service, I see the brain injury as a respectable struggle. I value the brain and will cherish what is left of mine, while always trying to fill it with objective cool headed reasoning.

Honestly getalife, look into the Fair Tax when you get bored with us Bush defenders, but always look out for conflicts of interest when seeking out analysis.. I know how you despise corruption and admit both parties are involved, so just take the power away from all of them.

Also, know that I don’t think everything will go down just as the fairtax experts predict but da*n the up side would be so sweet. It would be close to true economic freedom, poor people, or thrifty people, could pay virtually no tax by shopping at thrift stores, buying used cars and houses, while the drug dealers, illegal aliens and rich could pay all taxes.

Beware of the pirhanna that will come out against it.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

buff,

Just send a note to ml, I’m sure he would be happy to scribble your nekkid likeness into one of his cartoons.

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

“A mind is a terible thing not to have” Dan Quayle.

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

getalife,

What is the media saying about the sleaze bag Congressman Jefferson and his corruption?

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:19 PM | Link to this

Midori, what are YOU wearing?

Earlier, you mentioned Alito’s wife ran crying from the hearing. I watch the news and she left when Lindsay Graham was pontificating on what a nice guy Alito is, and how he has lived his life

Those gas bags on that committee! Both Dems and GOP members use their 30 minutes to give speeches. Kennedy, Schumer, Durbin, et al. average around 70% of their time speaking. And, the GOP is no better

Selecting a Supreme Court Justice is serious business and should be above grand-standing

Dam-n I despise politicians

On a state note, did y’all notice Governor Bubba is trying to buy education votes in his reelection year?

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 07:19 PM | Link to this

I had some catching up to do on today’s posts. Can anybody explain how indian tribes can be created? Is there not someone who would validate their legitimacy?

R.W.: On the previous thread, why would the Conservative National Review not have a problem with ml deleting a portion of their article?

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

RW

With ml’s fascination with partially-clothed men he might put a nekkid pix of me in the AJC

As elrushbo says “every inch of my glorious naked body……….”

By RE

January 11, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

Fair Tax,

The only problem I see with this plan is the lack of taxation on corporate and investment profit. Very few people have a real stake in the stock market to the point where they would be affected by change, however it seems that once you make a nice chunk in the market, the money will begin to roll over on itself. I think if this were to go into effect, we would rapidly develop a huge split in wealth distribution. I do not believe it is the governments job to redistribute wealth per se, however there is always more stability in society when there is a large middle class.

2 questions, how is the government going to send every household a check each month without dramatically increasing in size?

How would online purchases directed to foreign countries be taxed?

By Daniel

January 11, 2006 07:24 PM | Link to this

Indian tribes are not created. They just are. One is either an Indian, or not. I’m not an Indian. Nor, have I been to India. I have, however, been to Indiana, as well as, Indiana, Pa.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Seems like a good deal. I put in my favorites to read the whole thing and will pass it along.

People are starting to get really upset over the illegal alien issue, so now maybe a good time to get it out there.All valid Social Security cardholders who are U.S. residents Very nice.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 07:27 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

They would actually have more reason to be upset if he had copied the entire article.

As a general rule you don’t post an entire article without the author’s permission, but you do provide a link to the story along with the excerpts. He did say where the story was from so he probably didn’t do anything wrong.

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

Dam, not even 7:30 and I am already drunk; wife out of town on business. Midori, you want to play later? :)

RE Corporations just pass the taxes on to consumers. Each sold item has over 20% of its cost due to embedded taxes

I just opened a bottle of Jim Beam; cost me $22.00. Around five dollars of that was taxes paid up and down the line. I could destroy my liver much cheaper with The Fair Tax

We punish corporations more than France does. This economy would explode, positively, with productivity if the FT was initiated

Here is why I am an economic conservative. Leftists want the pie cut up differently; I just want a bigger pie

To your questions: 1. It would be a smaller government if the IRS was abolished, which would have to happen or the shysters in D.C. would keep both taxes 2. I do not know, but, how big is that economy? The last foreign product I bought was some dope in Viet Nam

By Midori

January 11, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

The Travel Channel did a special on Wayne Newton last night. He showed off his home, his den specifically. He has a huge piece of petrified wood over the mantel, with some beautiful carving.

Wayne said that only Native Americans can own petrified wood.

Wayne is a Native — he was born in Norfolk, Virginia. Altho I don’t know to which tribe he belongs.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this

RE, if either of your alleged problems “resembled” an undertanding of corporate pricing and/or the result of investment income, I would entertain you.

getalife, I don’t have much time tonight… cooking for myself and all, but corporations pay their alleged taxes by multiplying the amount of good or service sold times price of that good. Corporate taxation he says? Talk about puttin a struggle on the common man. I am writing a business plan so that I can get my hands on some of that investment money and I will eventually create jobs.

getalife, don’t mind RE he can’t hear me and why are his hands in his pants?

By Midori

January 11, 2006 07:38 PM | Link to this

The last foreign product I bought was some dope in Viet Nam

Buff — that can’t be true. You’d be surprised at home much of our goods are made in China — even down to those little “support the troops” ribbons people put on their cars.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

buff,

Was the dope any good?

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:40 PM | Link to this

Scooter, its RE’s, he can play with it if he wants to

Whatcha cookin’

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

Midori,

yeah, the China thing is dead on, look at Wal-mart labels. but, I was addressing hsi query on buryign “directly” froma foreign entity

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 07:45 PM | Link to this

Wayne Newton may just like to think of his when he looks at petrified wood, sorry had to take it.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 07:48 PM | Link to this

I should have put my brain in gear before I asked that question re: “Conservative National Review”. Thanks for the kick start. I knew that, but forgot I did.

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

getalife

It was incredible, $5 a lid (old dopers term for an ounce) and was so strong if you smoked too much it would make you sick

I brought some seeds back, and for a few years after I cane back I was what elrushbo would call “a long haired, dope-smoking, maggot-infested hippie” and I grew and sold in the early and mid 70s; then I grew up

Ain’t nothing wrong with smoking a little reefer now and again, though

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

A neighbor just loaned me a porn movie titled “Backside to the Future.” Has anyone seen the movie? She said it has a plot

By getalife

January 11, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

buff,

A lid was $10 in Texas, Mexican rag weed. Good thing about Nevada, my home town, $10 a gram of Humboldt County skunk and you better sit down somewhere.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

Hey Scooter: Buff is an advocate of the fair tax and legalized drugs. Get him on board.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 07:58 PM | Link to this

Scooter —

that link is broken.

By buff

January 11, 2006 07:58 PM | Link to this

O-O

you are correct on my pol views

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 07:58 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

He’s apparently fond of Greek film festivals, too.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

Yes, get on board

By buff

January 11, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Rw

Did you hear that gas bag Biden yesterday or today? Many, those hair plugs aren’t working for him

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Buff: I guess I was one of those who didn’t handle it well. Tried it, got very paranoid. Froze up. Afraid I was going to call my boss to come pick me up and drive me home. He was a leacherous old fart. I’m talking really froze up. Wouldn’t raise my arms from my sides. Never tried it again.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

getalife, I too used to partake on the ganja, but you know that stuff will make you crazy… reefer madness and all.

By RE

January 11, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

I am not talking about the profit the actual company makes, I am talking about the sale of stock from speculation. Major shareholders dumping stock and netting out 6 figure sums that are tax free. Wealth will be accumulated exponentially for very few individuals. I just see this structure moving away from an “ownership society” and going toward a tenant/ landlord society.

Abolish the IRS, good move, however you are creating an agency that will have 12 times the work as the IRS. How is that going to be smaller than the current system?

So far as the innternet sales go, a product can be bought and shipped for much less than the 20+% tax. Any item from TV and computer to clothing and foods can be shipped in from Canada or Mexico for cheap. There would be a major decline in retail sales. Also there would probably be a much larger black market for other goods, who would pay for the policing required for that.

Give me a flat tax, but not this fair tax plan

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, to whomever axed. The menu is sauteed french beans, with whit raisin curried couscous and marinated then braised pork tenderloin. Garlic bread of course.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

That guy looked like he was on something else although his eyes are red. It makes my chest loosen up because I have a mechanical aortic valve and makes me eat.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

Greek porn? Now that must be interesting.

Legalized drugs make me uneasy. Family of six, 3 have addictions to alcohol and/or drugs. Younger sister died as a result.

I understand the concept, but can’t be totally objective on this one. But won’t stand in the way of progress. I worry about the emotional cost to families.

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

RE, if your mind was half as open and you were somewhat humble, like getalife, you would look into the link beore you expouse your ignorance. Did you notice how I warned getalife about people like you.

Pans hot, I’m off to add butter and sautee.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

You may not want to google that.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 08:15 PM | Link to this

I think Scooter should invite us all to dinner. How rude! Make out mouth water and then run.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 08:17 PM | Link to this

Really, he must be a chef. Made me hungry.

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 11, 2006 08:20 PM | Link to this

Mike,

I thought about this one all day. I have family who wear these kinds of devices in the service of their country. They deserve the best.

I understand there are still families who buy their sons and daughters armor before they go to Iraq. Why do they have to do that? How long have we been at war? Do we as a nation really not give a damn about all those kids?

Forget the Liberal and Conservtive guano. All of you. Get off this website and call or e-mail your representatives and tell them to do better.

Don’t tell me it’s hard work. Don’t tell me it’s not that simple. I can get on the phone and make contacts, pull in favors, demand service and move mountains when I have to. If our government cannot accomplish the same things any decent business person can do - Throw the bums out.

Please, we can’t stand beside our loved ones “locked and loaded” to protect them over there. We have to do the work here.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Godzilla, let’s throw Murtha out! Or imprison him. We’ll see if the rest of these traitors get behind our soldiers.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

You may want to read this, this group needs to be listened to more carefully than any politician or scribbling moonbat cartoonist

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 08:28 PM | Link to this

R.W.: Be more specific. You know how I am when faced with temptation.

By buff

January 11, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

RE

Have you red the book?

Have you carefully analyzed www.fairtax.org

Some pretty sharp economists, even Harvard ones, are on board

Why do you think ti would take 12 times s many fed employees? The calculations would be simple

By RE

January 11, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

Actually Scooter, I did look at the link. If you think a 3 sentence paragraph is enough explaination for a huge tax overhaul, I would love to start selling you some real estate. Nothing is mentioned about increased black market trade, or internet trade from other countries, take a look at your own site before you rant.

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 11, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

Gentlemen We can play battling links, call names in the school yard or we can save more of our boys. When young ones safety is a question, an answer is demanded.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:36 PM | Link to this

Hey, I got an idea. How about the next time a drop of urine spills on a Koran, we don’t haul the military command staff in front of Congress and make them withstand an month long inquisition by a bunch of fat stupid drunken jackboot woman drowners? You know, we leave our military leaders alone, let them focus on protecting the troops in their command. Wouldn’t this be a unique situation?

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I can’t really get too specific. Open mouthed kissing is sometimes referred to as French, the same nationality is often used to describe other activities. In that context Greek refers to the first word in “buff’s” movie title.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 08:37 PM | Link to this

I say let’s all go over to Scooter’s house!!!

That dinner sounds delish!!

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

You can call it “battling links” all you want, but if you read it you will see that our troops think piling on too much body armor is getting them killed because they can’t move.

By buff

January 11, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

RW

OK, so I am loaded, but my movie title was “Backside to the Future”

I do not get the Greek reference. Now, I am a bit out of touch……….

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 08:41 PM | Link to this

Getalife/R.W.: This is baaaaddd. For those of us who have difficulty cleaning some of Big Daddy’s links from our system, we may need to use this method. Move your mouse, it really works. Apologies! But funny.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

buff, OO,

This subject really needs to be dropped.

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 11, 2006 08:44 PM | Link to this

Scooter and Midori - Can I bring dessert? I make a mean Martha Washington Cake. I’d have to use preserves from a jar, though.

By Andy

January 11, 2006 08:44 PM | Link to this

What don’t these pinkos, I’m sorry, people not understand? Everytime you get hysterical for no reason and cause our leaders to become distracted from their real work, you endanger a soldiers life. It’s really that simple.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

My monitor is much cleaner now, thank you.

By buff

January 11, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

O-O THANK YOU for that link

I book marked it. Even if it has that malicious peg virus and causes my pc to crash it will be worth it, hubba hubba

By buff

January 11, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

O-O THANK YOU for that link

I book marked it. Even if it has that malicious peg virus and causes my pc to crash it will be worth it, hubba hubba

And, I just realized, it is two chicks

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 08:52 PM | Link to this

RE, my beans are done. How are internet transactions with foreign countries taxed now? How much of a black market operates now and how many of those people don’t pay taxes at all?

Where did you get your credentials?

Unfortunately, you offer the same old knee jerk, closed minded, “know it all” criticism that has been perfected by the same party that depends on the devisive nature of the current tax code. Just one of those percieved conflicts of interest that I cannot ignore.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 08:52 PM | Link to this

Are you smiling? Results good!!! OO, bad.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this

Buff: You bookmarked it twice. You really must have liked it ALOT.

By Midori

January 11, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla — I’ve never heard of a Martha Washington cake.

What’s in it?

By Scooter

January 11, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, you are welcome to come over. You had better hurry I am starting to cook.

You know what Jello Biafra told me in college, he said Martha Washington used to go pick cannabis for old George. I think buff and getalife would like a Martha treat as well.

By buff

January 11, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this

G-nite, drunk bedtime

Wish I had some of get’s hootie

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 11, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Same layers as a Boston Creme, Preserves between the layers, fudge on top - not the sides, sprinkled with sugar.

Best served with Irish Coffee and loud seditious conversation.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 09:05 PM | Link to this

OO, you are a sick, sick little thing. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you. And a little aroused.

And just to let you know, the boys on Brokeback Mountain go “Greek”…

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

Big Daddy: I had to put all of R.W.’s pieces together to figure that one out. I’m slow. You linked us to some dating escapade site the other night. I have not laughed that hard in a long time. I needed a good laugh too.

I’m gonna have to keep that screen cleaner handy. How’s the new job going?

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 09:13 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy is very busy. And tired - sitting on that horse all day for The Scribbler is absolutely exhausting…

Were you referring to this site? He has an application you know, if you’re interested…

By Mrs.Godzilla

January 11, 2006 09:14 PM | Link to this

I have read that it helped with dental pain. Martha was probably a good wife.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

The scribbler tricked you, once he posts the drawing you can get down from the horse.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

[That bastard!}(http://www.nachunsnurnullen.de/surfer/beetlejuice.jpg)

Oops, wrong Beetlejuice…

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

That’s the one Big Daddy. Funny, funny, funny. Need not apply!

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

ObjectiveObserver,

I was going to give you this clue next.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 09:21 PM | Link to this

OO, what was your favorite. Show me yours, and I’ll show you mine…

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 09:25 PM | Link to this

Well, here’s a clue, after putting R.W.’s pieces together, it brought one in particular to mind.

R.W.: Now you get specific, and in such good taste too. You make me work hard, and I’m so tired after work.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

OO, that’s my favorite too, followed very closely by The Austin Road Trip.

Did you ever see The Aristocrats?

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I would have made it easier, but I was afraid the tipsy one might say just about anything at that point.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

I go eat, come back and what do I see? Dessert, thanks OO, nice and funny.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 09:32 PM | Link to this

No. Will it make me laugh? Show me the way.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 09:35 PM | Link to this

R.W.: You’ve got to remember, I’m slow. Always make it easy for Slow OO.

Your welcome Getalife! It’s you and me.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 09:38 PM | Link to this

OO, I have a link to an animated version of the joke, but if you haven’t seen the film you won’t think it’s funny, believe me. It made BigDaddy cringe.

Instead, I’ll give you some other funny stuff:

for our vegan, PETA-member friends… - click on “Lumberjack”

An excellent example of the destructive abilities of the mainstream media

And OO, did you inspire this tattoo?

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this

Big Daddy: I’m not sure on the tattoo. She’s wearing shoes.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

If you are taking a vote on the animated Aristocrats link I vote:

NO

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this

O.K. R.W., you give sage advice.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this

RW, I’m not taking a vote on that. If it makes BigDaddy cringe, it’s really not fit for human consumption. Did you see the flick?

By finch

January 11, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this

Sheesh, I leave for a day to help someone move (dont you hate it? Moving, I mean) and what do I miss?

Scooter cooking up a feast, talking ganja with O-O and getalife and RW saying something about Greeks? Nice joke!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there’s a new survey showing that despite all the whoop-dee-do about Alito, Abramoff, wiretapping, bodyarmor and whatnot, we still hate politicians!

We just hate the cons a little more

Now, where’s my corkscrew?

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

I’ve got to be honest here. When you say The Aristocrats, I’m thinking Disney cartoon. But thanks for the warning you two. I’m all about smiling, not cringing.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

finch, if you come on here and stir up trouble, I’ll be forced to totally bust some Rex Kwon Do on you nods…

Bow to your sensei!

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 10:01 PM | Link to this

O.K. guys, on with the debating. I’m going for apples, stilton & triskets. You’re on R.W.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

No, but there is also a site with several variations of the joke. Of course, I’m shy, quiet, reserved, and something of a puritan.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 10:05 PM | Link to this

RW, I had that figured about you.

Wonder which one buff is going for…

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

If you had just used saltines instead of triskets you could have kept your snack on topic.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

BD,

I found it but the link was broken. Could you point me in the right direction, I like to cringe.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

getalife, you mean you really want the link to The Aristocrats? Okay, but under no circumstances should anyone click here Don’t. I mean it. I can’t stress this enough. This is the worst thing I’ve ever linked to. Please, for the love of all that’s good, don’t do it…

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:15 PM | Link to this

GRAHAM: …Are you really a closet bigot? ALITO: I’m not any kind of a bigot, I’m not.

GRAHAM: No, sir, you’re not. And you know why I believe that? Not because you just said it — but that’s a good enough reason, because you seem to be a decent, honorable man. I have got reams of quotes from people who have worked with you, African American judges — I’ve lost my quotes.

Judge Higginbotham — I don’t know where they’re at. But glowing quotes about who you are, the way you’ve lived your life; law clerks, men and women, black and white, your colleagues who say that Sam Alito, whether I agree with him or not, is a really good man.

You know why I believe you when you say that you disavow those quotes? Because the way you have lived your life and the way you and your wife are raising your children.

Let me tell you this: Guilt by association is going to drive good men and women away from wanting to sit where you’re sitting. And we’re going to go through a bit of this ourselves as congressmen and senators.

People are going to take a fact that we got a campaign donation from somebody who’s found out to be a little different than we thought they were — and our political opponent’s going to say, “Aha, I got you!”

And we’re going to say, “Wait a minute. I didn’t know that. I didn’t take the money for that reason.”

And you know what? I’m going to believe these senators and congressmen for the most part, because that’s the way we do our business. We meet people here every day. We have photos taken with people — and sometimes you wish you didn’t have your photo taken.

But that doesn’t mean that you’re a bad person because of that association.

Judge Alito, I am sorry that you’ve had to go through this. I am sorry that your family has had to sit here and listen to this.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

The preceding post was for distance control.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 10:18 PM | Link to this

RW, I wouldn’t associate with me either…

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:20 PM | Link to this

BD,

I am shocked,**shocked I say. Pretty sick but I did not cringe.

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

I am shocked,shocked I say. Pretty sick but I did not cringe

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

I wasn’t getting away from you, I was getting all of us away from your indiscretion.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 10:24 PM | Link to this

getalife, but you’re medicated! I could send you to stuff that would make you cringe, but I won’t do it directly.

By BigDaddy

January 11, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this

RW, you know I can’t help myself. Don’t worry though, if the heat ever gets too much for me, I’ll just do this…

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:27 PM | Link to this

RW,

Graham lost it. This Jack thing is messing with his head.

By Objective Observer

January 11, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

No apples, what a disappointment. Crackers and cheese only. I’m sorry, I have led you all astray. I’m going to bed now. Have fun.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:34 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Graham was only going over how out of line the personal attacks from the Dems had been, but I think you’re on to something with the theory that Jack is messing with his head.

Yesterday he said something like, “Judge Alito, if one of us comes before you in the future and says we don’t recall a guy named Abramoff I hope you’ll tend to believe us.”

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:41 PM | Link to this

RW,

Didn’t he say something about a clone for Scalia. I thought he was drunk, high or going crazy.

Somebody needs to tell Biden to ask a question, it is not about him.

Kennedy is desperate to find something on Alito. The Times reporter already looked in those boxes and did not find anything.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this

getalife,

He was just talking about how others were trying to smear him by saying he was just another Scalia, some on the left call him Scalito.

Speaking of Kennedy, this should make you cringe

By getalife

January 11, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

Orange and red, sometimes I wish I did not have this 21 inch monitor. Nodding off, goodnight.

By RW-(the original)

January 11, 2006 10:53 PM | Link to this

Goodnight!