Mike Luckovich

By RW-(the original)

December 27, 2005 09:29 PM | Link to this

ml is heading off to make his appearance as a political cartoonist and he leaves this behind?

The Falcon coach is pretty good, even with the leprechaun hat, but is that the grim reaper or is this supposed to be an old year/new year depiction.

Oh well, in either case that baby needs to throw that bottle around with his left arm a little.

By Objective Observer

December 27, 2005 09:57 PM | Link to this

I don’t watch football, so I would like to offer this “No Comment”.

By Geezus

December 27, 2005 10:02 PM | Link to this

Wow RW, are you waiting on the edge of your seat EVERY day for Mike’s new cartoon? Seems a bit stalker-ish to me.

By RW-(the original)

December 27, 2005 10:10 PM | Link to this

Geezur,

I’ve just been waiting for you to get back. Besides ml hasn’t scribbled a cartoon since the 23rd.

By finch

December 27, 2005 10:23 PM | Link to this

There’s not much to quibble about in this ‘toon. Jim Mora’s temper tantrum Saturday did make him seem a tad infantile.

Hey, guys and gals! How about a rousing ode to evolution instead? Sing this to the tune of “Battle Hymn of the Republic”:

My bones proclaim a story of incompetent design My back still hurts, my sinus clogs, my teeth just won’t align If I had drawn the blueprint I would certainly resign Incompetent design! Evo-evo-evolution! Design is but a mere illusion Darwin sparked our revolution! Science shall prevail!

Anyway, this made me smile, so I had to share.

Happy New Year!

By RW-(the original)

December 27, 2005 11:08 PM | Link to this

Among those who fell for the story, as we noted Friday, was Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, who cited it in a Boston Globe op-ed piece (though he claimed the book in question was “the official Chinese version of Mao Tse-tung’s Communist Manifesto”). According to a Globe news story on the hoax, the Globe interviewed the shifty student—whose request for anonymity both papers have respected even though he lied to them—“but decided not to write a story about his assertion, because of doubts about its veracity.”

Kennedy, meanwhile, apologized for slandering America’s dedicated law-enforcement agents by portraying them as totalitarian thugs.

Ha ha, we fooled you! Here’s the actual Kennedy response as reported by the Globe:

Laura Capps, a Kennedy spokeswoman, said last night that the senator cited ”public reports” in his opinion piece. Even if the assertion was a hoax, she said, it did not detract from Kennedy’s broader point that the Bush administration has gone too far in engaging in surveillance.

Hat tip James Taranto, BOTW

By Caleb Zimmerman

December 28, 2005 12:41 AM | Link to this

The Ten Suggestions…and they don’t apply to Bush? This makes no sense whatsoever. You’re trying to be funny…but it’s so obvious that you simply don’t like Bush. This obviously impedes any humor that might be found in your cartoons.

By Brett

December 28, 2005 02:06 AM | Link to this

Yeah - you’re correct in your analysis - little RW IS a bit of a stalker. But more just a plain sick, sick, sick typical coward of the right-wing, hoping to his Gawd that he can one day be a REAL Nazi. Do you remember, “I think I can…I think I can… I think I can….”?? That’s RW and his fellow Bushvolk. Pitiful people really. Just pitiful.

By AntiRadical

December 28, 2005 07:01 AM | Link to this

Imagine if all the effort that is channeled into American sports were actually used for something constructive. “Mature” men don’t need to play kids games. Sorry ML, cartoon is boring and uninspired.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 07:03 AM | Link to this

Brett: Would it be better if RW was a silly punk filled with mindless sputtering rage like you are?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 07:35 AM | Link to this

Centrist Democrats hit anti-Bush tactics

Some centrist Democrats say attacks by their party leaders on the Bush administration’s eavesdropping on suspected terrorist conversations will further weaken the party’s credibility on national security.

Credibility? What credibility?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 07:36 AM | Link to this

Money quote:

“I think when you suggest that civil liberties are just as much at risk today as the country is from terrorism, you’ve gone too far if you leave that impression. I don’t believe that’s true,” said Michael O’Hanlon, a national-security analyst at the Brookings Institution who advises Democrats on defense issues.

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 08:33 AM | Link to this

Fidel Castro would love you Andy. You make dictatorship easy.

By finch

December 28, 2005 08:40 AM | Link to this

When do you know that you can’t trust what you see in the Washington Times? When you look at it.

The paper, affectionately known in Washington as “The Moonie Times” in honor of it’s founder, South Korean evangelist Sun Myung Moon has a DC area circulation that’s less than 15% percent of the rival Washington Post.

That’s right, even Washington area conservatives don’t read it.

While typical newspapers rake in 10-15% profit, the Moonie Times has lost an estimated $1 BILLION since it’s 1982 founding.

Almost nobody reads it.

If you want to know more about the newspaper that makes “Rolling Stone” and Michael Moore appear impartial,

read this.

Putting a kinder spin on it, Howard Kurtz of CNN and the Washington Post has deemed the Times “a happy anachronism and a throwback to a simpler time, when Whigs and mugwumps strode the land and newspapers were unapologetically partisan vehicles.”

Happy New Year!

By Dusty

December 28, 2005 08:52 AM | Link to this

finch,

would you say that the AJC is one of those “unapologetically partisan vehicles” as exemplified by Mike Luckovich?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 08:54 AM | Link to this

Al Davis: Timeout. You haven’t gotten the pinko memo about Fidel Castro yet? Please research, you guys love him.

wench: So the Brookings Institute is a vast right wing conspiracy? If that’s so, why is Cynthia Tucker quoting their analysis?: according to an analysis by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 28, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

Even Mike’s less than stellar efforts make me dream of impeaching Bush.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 08:58 AM | Link to this

wench: Hey look: I can troll the kook websites to discredit your information too.

This is how wench knows the Washington Times is lying because some looney told him.

By Dusty

December 28, 2005 09:12 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

You should dream of impeaching Santa Claus. He could not find one Democratic dreamboat to put in your stocking. They don’t make them anymore.

By Vince Lombardi

December 28, 2005 09:29 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH MORA NOW!!!

By Ricky

December 28, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this

I think we can officially say that ml has run out of people to hammer on the right. You know its bad for him when he picks on an NFL cartoon. How about a cartoon of Harry Reid bragging that he killed the partiot act while having more buildings being destroyed? And in yet another sign of Democratic hypocrisy, for three years that have said that Colin Powell was right about the war in Iraq and the President should have listened to him. Now when Powell says that the President should be able to wiretap without warrants, there is not a peep from the left. Hilarious.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 09:47 AM | Link to this

Brett,

If you’re still upset about the tickets to “Brokeback Mountain” I gave you and your little friend Geezur for Christmas, you should find out why your Mom said you guys wanted them instead of lashing out at me.

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 09:57 AM | Link to this

No Andy. Just as I said. Fidel Castro would love you. Your total disregard for civil liberties would make you one of Fidel’s boys in Cuba.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 28, 2005 09:58 AM | Link to this

dusty do you dream about democratic dreamboats?

odd.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 09:59 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

To be fair, Harry Reid offered an excuse for that whole ‘killed the Patriot Act’ thing.

Last week Harry Reid of Nevada, the Senate minority leader, boasted to a Democratic gathering that “we killed the Patriot Act.” Perhaps realizing that this was not the most appealing message to send to voters outside the Bush-hating base, Reid took to the Senate floor Monday and offered an apology of sorts:

Mr. President, maybe I didn’t have the education of a lot of my friends. I was educated in a little school in Searchlight, NV. We didn’t have English class. Maybe my choice of words wasn’t perfect. Maybe I should have said we killed the conference report. But the fact is, that is what we had done. People can try to change the words and the meaning of it all they want, but that is what happened. I may not have the ability to express myself like the folks who were educated in all these private schools and fancy schools, but I understand the Senate rules. Everyone knows that cloture was defeated, killed, whatever you want to call it. That means that cloture was defeated and that bill is still before the Senate.

This is the same Harry Reid who, a little over a year ago, called Justice Clarence Thomas “an embarrassment to the Supreme Court” because “I think that his opinions are poorly written.” If Reid’s literacy is as defective as he himself claims it is, doesn’t this make him, by his own standard, an embarrassment to the Senate?

Further, if Reid never even had an English class, what qualifies him to evaluate Justice Thomas’s writings? Or was he merely stereotyping Thomas as unintelligent because of his race, in the manner of ignorant men throughout history?

Source material

By Reposter

December 28, 2005 10:00 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush ranks as the least popular and most bellicose of the last ten U.S. presidents, according to a new survey.

Only nine percent of the 662 people polled picked Bush as their favorite among the last 10 presidents. John F. Kennedy topped that part of the survey, with 26 percent, closely followed by Bill Clinton (25 percent) and Ronald Reagan (23 percent).

Bush was also viewed as the most warlike president (43 percent), the worst for the economy (42 percent) and the least effective (33 percent). He was rated most highly in response to a question on who would do something even if it were unpopular.

The survey was conducted by the Chicago-based National Qualitative Centers, a marketing research company, as part of research for a forthcoming book on popular preferences, one of its authors, Ken Berwitz, said on Friday.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 10:03 AM | Link to this

Al Davis: I like the pinko attempt to have your cake and eat it too but how does my advocating strong intelligence collecting capabilities, focused on our enemies activities, to protect the lives of my fellow citizens, make me into Fidel Castro? This is a crackpot statement, are you a crackpot?

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

Reposter,

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush ranks as the least popular and most bellicose of the last ten U.S. presidents , according to a new survey.

Nice and oh so accurate survey.

George W. Bush 9%

John F Kennedy 26%

Bill Clinton 25%

Ronald Reagan 23%

That’s 83% and you still have six Presidents left, how are you going to make them all come out with more than 9%?

By blogger

December 28, 2005 10:11 AM | Link to this

No, Andy, he is not a crackpot. You are a crackpot, a clueless one.

*By Andy

December 26, 2005 04:27 PM blogger: What branch of government does the Attorney General belong to?

By Andy

December 26, 2005 04:37 PM

The Judiciary. Bush had the Attorney General review his actions. Bill Clinton had Jamie Gorelick, his deputy Attorney General review his wiretapping surveillance. Why do you say that it hasn’t been reviewed for legality by the Judicial Branch if it has been? Are you just going with the impeach Bush line, like some silly sap?

By blogger

December 26, 2005 04:49 PM

Andy, gee, I always thought that the Attorney General is a member of the President’s cabinet who serves at the pleasure of the President, and is a member of the Executive Branch of government? Did you just say that the Attorney General is a member of the Judicial Branch of government???????

By Andy

December 26, 2005 05:00 PM

It figures, I’m dealing with a lightweight, a hysterical one at that.

The Attorney General compromises the Justice Department, specifically- the Attorney General was to be “learned in the law� with the duty “to prosecute and conduct all suits in the Supreme Court in which the United States shall be concerned, and to give his advice and opinion upon questions of law when required by the President of the United States in other words a member of the Judiciary.

It should have been easy for you when I tipped Bill Clinton’s use of Jamie Gorelick to review the legality of his surveillance activities. You must not be capable of complex reasoning. Do you get all your ideas from Michael Moore? Why am I discussing this with you and not him? Wouldn’t it save time? *

By Andy

December 28, 2005 10:15 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it funny. It tells you how shallow and bizarre the argument of the pinkos is when they have to make me the issue. I am the center of their lives; they hang on every word I say. If I were to mistakenly say that Iraq was a province of Canada we would never hear another peep from them about WMD. From this day forward it would be- ANDY LIED! CHILDREN DIED! I’m humbled by the honor, knowing that I have so many pinkos waiting for me to speak.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 10:15 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Good work! I think you have driven blogger completely over the edge

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 10:20 AM | Link to this

No Andy. I left Cuba in the late 80s. People like you are the tools that government uses to crush dissent. You have the mindset of the political commissars. You are so blinded by your ideology that you cannot see nor understand when the government is using fear tactics to take your freedoms. You are so mindless that you do not recognize when all of us are the targets for no other reason than your leaders wish to consolidate power in the office of the president. Andy, you make the perfect little communist. Or is it fascist in your case.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 10:23 AM | Link to this

Al Davis: I wasn’t stoned out of my mind on September 11th, 2001, I could clearly see how serious this enemy was. What’s your excuse?

You accuse me of torturing and murdering dissenters by calling me a dictator. Where’s this evidence you must have? Do you have proof of something I’ve done?

By Reposter

December 28, 2005 10:28 AM | Link to this

Hey Einstein RW, what part of this do you not understand??? “Only nine percent of the 662 people polled picked Bush as their favorite among the last 10 presidents.

I have a couple of tickets to the new Johnny Knoxville film “The Ringer” I want to give to you, RW. I’m sure you’ll love it, there are “special people” just like you in the movie. Diversity is wonderful.

By Jay

December 28, 2005 10:33 AM | Link to this

Al Davis, this sounds like something from Timothy McVeigh:

“People like you are the tools that government uses to crush dissent. You have the mindset of the political commissars. You are so blinded by your ideology that you cannot see nor understand when the government is using fear tactics to take your freedoms. You are so mindless that you do not recognize when all of us are the targets for no other reason than your leaders wish to consolidate power in the office of the president.”

By Dusty

December 28, 2005 10:34 AM | Link to this

Does blogger stutter or something? Keeps saying the same things over and over.

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 10:35 AM | Link to this

You are an enabler Andy. You attack those that disagree with your ideological stance. You attack and label anyone that excercises the freedoms granted by the constitution, and you follow like a sheep to slaughter when the government obviously violates your civil liberties. You are tailor made for an autocratic or dictatorial society. So many other people in this world crave the liberties that you so carelessly would allow the government to take from you. Yes Andy. You are the perfect little goose stepper. Maybe you should take your idea of freedom and civil liberty to Cuba. I am sure Fidel will be glad to have you on board.

By gadem

December 28, 2005 10:38 AM | Link to this

Here is the link RW

By E. Howard Hunt

December 28, 2005 10:39 AM | Link to this

Andy does have a rather Nixonian concept of civil liberties.

By gadem

December 28, 2005 10:40 AM | Link to this

RW I know you are going to say that numbers are faulty, which is true, but it is a survey. We all know that numbers can be manpulated in anyway to prove a point. I am sure Fox news can conduct a poll, and say that a majority of americans approve of the job Bush is doing.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 10:41 AM | Link to this

Reposter,

You still only have 17% of the 662 people left to distribute among 6 Presidents and they all have to get more than 9%.

It’s your faulty survey, not mine.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 10:43 AM | Link to this

gadem,

See above.

By J. Edgar Andy

December 28, 2005 11:03 AM | Link to this

You pinko panty wearing unamerican lovers of our constitution need to get off Andy’s a#$! The government NEEDS to listen to all of your phone calls. The government NEEDS to monitor all of your Emails. The government NEEDS to know each and every conversation that you have. In times like these the government NEEDS to use every tool at its disposal to hold down disagreement and dissent. The government NEEDS to violate your rights to keep you safe. The government NEEDS to scare you to death to accomplish its agenda. Don’t let such trivial things as your constitutionally guaranteed liberties stand in this administration’s way. Do you not understand that this country NEEDS a good dictatorship to win this war on terror. This government needs more sheeple like Andy who are willing to give it up for our wannabe dictator. Keep up the good fight comrade Andy. HEIL BUSH! HEIL CHENEY!

By Patrick Henry

December 28, 2005 11:15 AM | Link to this

Andy is a coward that is willing to trade his freedom for a false since of safety. Our maybe he just doesn’t possess the analytical tools to understand that you can be safe and free. That you don’t have to give up one to enjoy the other as this administration would have us believe. As for me. Given the choice between my freedom or safety. Give me liberty or give me death. Live free or die.

By Jay

December 28, 2005 11:16 AM | Link to this

New Dem mascot: Hyena

By Dusty

December 28, 2005 11:18 AM | Link to this

Sheep! Sheep! Would you liberals please get a new name word for conservatives? I know you were raised with “Little Bo Peep has lost her sheep bleep! Bleep!” but repetition is rabid. How about something different for a change: lambie pie, I love ewe, fuzzie-wuzzie, lil’mutton chops……anything but boring SHEEP. Now remember, liberals, use a new word. Conservatives are sensitive people who like to be challenged.

By Daniel

December 28, 2005 11:32 AM | Link to this

I think the cartoon is worth a laugh.

By gadem

December 28, 2005 11:39 AM | Link to this

Dusty, please direct your rant at Mr. Good Christian “I Hate anyone who disagrees with me” Andy. He is the only one on this board that constantly uses pinko….I can think of a lot of other words to describe conservatives besides sheep. Would you like to hear a few?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

“I think when you suggest that civil liberties are just as much at risk today as the country is from terrorism, you’ve gone too far if you leave that impression. I don’t believe that’s true,” said Michael O’Hanlon, a national-security analyst at the Brookings Institution who advises Democrats on defense issues.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this

FISA vs. the Constitution-Congress can’t usurp the president’s power to spy on America’s enemies.

No matter how hard Aerica’s enemies wish it wasn’t so..

May Bush listen in on you, find you, torture you and kill you.

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 11:48 AM | Link to this

I’m sure the agent in the Atlanta field office of the FBI that monitors this blog thinks so too Jay. I guess being compared to Timothy McVeigh is a price I’ll just have to pay to excercise my constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. However, calling me Timothy McVeigh will not deter me from being truly free.

By FormerAgent

December 28, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Trust me on this one people. Once the people in a free society give up a civil liberty to the government, it is forever. The people never get that liberty back. Any time that you allow government to borrow or suspend your freedoms you have weakened the Constitution that was authored to protect you from government oppression. When an administration views the Constitution as an impediment or plays fast and loose in its interpretation of the Constitution, watch out. The ends never justify the means when your civil liberties and Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms are the price that you are asked to pay.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this

And you people say he isn’t popular

By Kurtis R.E. Segars

December 28, 2005 12:04 PM | Link to this

I didn’t know Coach Mora was a Republican.

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this

Are you saying that every American is the enemy Andy? We are all included in this latest round of domestic spying.

By J. Edgar Andy

December 28, 2005 12:14 PM | Link to this

Preach to me brother Andy! Any citizen that uses the telephone, a cell phone, email, does research in a library, or blogs should be surveilled! They are all a threat to our national security. We need more citizens like you Andy. You are such an aid and comfort to our government in its campaign against a terroristic society.

By Objective Observer

December 28, 2005 12:14 PM | Link to this

R.W.: Funny link. I especially liked the one on the Pope and Oral Sex. People left to wonder!! Adding to my favorites.

By gadem

December 28, 2005 12:16 PM | Link to this

Well Andy, the problem that I have, that so many may also have, is that “Your” President may be abusing his powers to carry out such wiretaps. As someone so eloquently said yesterday, terrorism is not an entity, it is a cause. It is not an army or a country, it is a group of people fighting for what they believe to be right. Much like you fight tooth and nail to defend George Bush, I fight tooth and nail to make sure another like him will never be elected.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 12:22 PM | Link to this

I thought it was a pretty simple question and had a low level of difficulty. You hysterical sissy pinkos seem to know of some vast overreaching violation of civil rights that is going on in America, why keep it a secret?

By Daniel

December 28, 2005 12:23 PM | Link to this

There’s the Christian!

By gadem

December 28, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this

Fortunately, I don’t believe that Andy is a Christian…if he were it makes me ashamed to be one. See with people like Andy calling themselves Christians, he will eventaully tell me that I am going to hell because I am Baptist….If anyone is United Methodist, please talk to Andy…he is representing your faith in a very bad fashion.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 12:32 PM | Link to this

gadem: That was really deep and moving and so convincing. You’ve almost got me thinking about becoming a pinko.

Now, will you clowns answer the question? Or do you want me to?

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this

Obviously Andy, the violations of our civil liberties has been exposed and is no longer a secret. That is THE problem that you seem to have with it. The light of truth has been shined upon it. The administration and its apologists wish it was still a secret.

By gadem

December 28, 2005 12:42 PM | Link to this

Andy honestly, I have not seen a question that you have asked. If you would repeat, I will answer it to the best of my knowledge.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 12:50 PM | Link to this

Al Davis,

On the contrary, I hope every Democrat in the country hammers away at this issue.

Please

By Objective Observer

December 28, 2005 12:56 PM | Link to this

Gadem: United Methodist here! We are an argumentative and questioning group. Wait a minute…that is Andy.

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 12:58 PM | Link to this

Every CITIZEN in this country should be hammering away at this issue. I realize that I am fighting a losing battle here however. There will always be a cowardly segment of the population that the government can dupe into believing that they can’t be safe AND free.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:07 PM | Link to this

Al Davis, (gadem pay attention): THE problem I have is that our national security has been compromised by a bunch of anti Bush kook pinkos such as yourself (and gadem, don’t feel left out just because I’m not addressing you directly.)

First of all, you have to get over the fact that the FBI or the CIA even has the time to pay any attention to you silly lib losers to begin with. Weren’t you freaks whining about us not having enough intelligence agents, when did we get this army of pinko watchers?

Secondly, any lawyer worth his own weight will ask as his very first question at the evidentiary hearing, “where’s the warrant?” When the government hands over a warrant that is specific to foreign terrorist activity and the case against rushncap is animal husbandry, the judge will then say “case dismissed, illegal search and seizure.”

The fourth amendment says, “unreasonable searches.” You pinkos act like you can carry a 55 gallon drum up to the steps of some Federal Building and the cops are just supposed to look the other way.

The precedence has been set over many Administrations for wiretapping, including the last one, Bubba’s, who was spying on Oklahomans looking for a…. terrorist!

Finally, I sure would like to hear of the actual harm that it is doing to American citizens. Anybody?

By getalife

December 28, 2005 01:07 PM | Link to this

Good job Atlanta, you should be proud, bashing a marine veteren.

Pitiful! In case you have not noticed, the democracy in Iraq is starting off with a bang!

By buff

December 28, 2005 01:08 PM | Link to this

You leftist Dems have stepped in it again. The LEGAL spying issue will hurt you terribly in the Fall elections, so, go for it BTW, trying to compare the Prez listening in to an Al Qaeda phone call to Nixon wire-tapping his political enemies is nauseam absurdum

By Jay

December 28, 2005 01:09 PM | Link to this

Al Davis, you are paranoid, just don’t call any terrorists - They have better things to do than to try to listen in on 300,000,000 Americans.

By Daniel

December 28, 2005 01:11 PM | Link to this

Most of us believe we have a right to privacy. We don’t want “Fony’s” like you listening to us.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:17 PM | Link to this

Gosh, getalife: I feel terrible that we have offended the tender sensitivities of someone over at Daily KOS. What can I do to sooth them, maybe sing some relaxing pinko music?

By gadem

December 28, 2005 01:18 PM | Link to this

Buff I disagree. No one really knows whom the President was “listening” to. As far as Andy is concerned, the harm it is causing is the liberties that are being slowly taken away in the name of securing America against Terrorist attacks. I don’t consider Greenpeace and Peta terrorist organizations. They may be radical, but look at the more dangerous hate wielding groups that are present in our modern day society. You have militia, nationalist societies, and others. When is the last time Sweden or Amsterdam was attacked after the World Wars?

By Al Davis

December 28, 2005 01:21 PM | Link to this

Nope Jay. I just believe in protecting the freedoms that the founding fathers granted me in the constitution. If anything, you are paranoid based upon the ease with which you would give the government your freedom and privacy so as to be protected from the terrorist that you think lurks behind every tree and bush. Paranoia and fear is exactly what the government depends upon to accumulate more and more control over we the people.

By getalife

December 28, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this

Andy, That is harsh but I notice the females on the left look better than the ones on the right.

By Patrick Henry

December 28, 2005 01:24 PM | Link to this

The terrorist have already defeated you Jay. They have convinced you that you can’t be free and safe too.

By buff

December 28, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

gadem, I do not have a problem with an investigation. But, I think this is political gotcha, which, of course, is D.C. in all its glory

Now, the leftist media frothed at the Plame leak, why not at the NYT leak on this story?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

Greenpeace Publicity Campaign Could Help Terrorists Attack Chemical Plants

PETA Attacks Meat-Eaters Once Again

By gadem

December 28, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this

People like Jay and Andy live in constant fear and paranoia. They have allowed the terrorist to win, by changing the way we as Americans live. You can get killed walking outside, does that mean you stay in the house for the rest of your life?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:30 PM | Link to this

getalife: Believe me, there are some things I can overlook political affiliations for. At least until the morning….

By Jay

December 28, 2005 01:31 PM | Link to this

Al Davis, I agree with you in protecting the freedoms granted in the Constitution. However, I don’t believe any facts have been brought forth that the Constitution has been breached.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

gadem: Dude, if I don’t care who’s spying on me and have nothing to fear from it, where do you get off saying this: People like Jay and Andy live in constant fear and paranoia. Do you need time to gather your thoughts?

By getalife

December 28, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

Andy, Unless you wake to see this!

By gadem

December 28, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

Andy, what they are doing is no worse that goes on during Halloween…although they are somewhat twisted about the way they try to get their point across, they are by no means terrorist. Nice try at trying to spin Peta and Greenpeace into a terrorist organization. Andy, do you even know what a terrorist is?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:36 PM | Link to this

Just one person that’s had their rights violated, that’s all I’m asking for…

By Jay

December 28, 2005 01:36 PM | Link to this

The only thing I would fear is if I was trying communicate with a terrroist

By gadem

December 28, 2005 01:39 PM | Link to this

Andy, you are always talking about terrorist attacks….terrorist attacks. You sound like chicken little. No need to gather my thoughts. I have not changed anything that I have done since 9/11…There is no way on God’s green earth that Bush or his preemptive policies can divert another terrorist attack on American soil.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this

getalife: If Bush can take one for the Conservatives than I can take on Ann. Hey, wait a minute, I thought Cindy didn’t like Bush, what’s she got her lips on him for?

Online photographs of Sheehans show 1st meeting with president

Do you pinkos ever tell the truth?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:42 PM | Link to this

No gadem: I was talking rights violations, just one person, remember?

By sickoftheneocons

December 28, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this

If PETA and Greenpeace are terrorist organizations, then so are the countless “pro-lifers” who bomb abortion clinics and assault the doctors who perform them and the women who have them. Would you care to put them in the same classification you reserve for Greenpeace and PETA?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:46 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: Yes, I would. They should be watched just as closely as any terrorist.

By sickoftheneocons

December 28, 2005 01:48 PM | Link to this

Here you go Andy, one example of a rights violation…

Filed a federal lawsuit in Atlanta on behalf of two vegan protesters who were subjected to imprisonment, arrest and harassment by Homeland Security officials, RAW STORY has learned.

By Midori

December 28, 2005 01:48 PM | Link to this

Blogger — go here for the truth and to set the record straight over the vast amounts of misinformation spewed here:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512240002

Top 12 media myths and falsehoods on the Bush administration’s spying scandal

By TrickyDick

December 28, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

Keep up the good work Andy! We must keep an eye on each and every American. They have absolutely no right to know what government is doing behind their backs. Privacy! I say nuts to privacy! The president cannot possibly accomplish his agenda and be accountable to the American people. When the constitution gets in the way I say ignore it. If you want good government you can’t let the will of the people, privacy, or constitutional guarantees get in the way. We need more people like Andy and Jay! With citizens like them we will have government of the president, for the president, and by the president. By God that is the way it ought to be.

By gadem

December 28, 2005 01:52 PM | Link to this

What about those people in Guantanomo Bay

or were you referring to wiretaps?

This entire transcript does not sit right with me…but who am I?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: Standing in the middle of the street is being wiretapped? Are you sure you want to go with this?:

Vegans Targeted for Protesting Outside Honey Baked Ham Store

ATLANTA, GA — The American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia today filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of two vegan protesters who were subjected to false imprisonment, false arrest and harassment by officials of the Homeland Security Division of DeKalb County and the DeKalb County Police Department.

And if the Honey Baked Ham store was bombed or arsoned, I wonder who the first persons the law would have looked for?

What kind of kook protests a Honey Baked Ham store? Oh, yeah, they were pinkos, pardon me.

By sickoftheneocons

December 28, 2005 02:00 PM | Link to this

Andy you dodn’t say “wiretapped” you said give me one example of someone’s rights being violated. I gave you one. If you were holding up a sign in front of the local Wal-Mart protesting against them not using the words “Merry Christmas” and the Department of Homeland Security were surveilling you and you decided to take down the license plate number and then they arrested YOU for doing so, would you not think your rights were being violated? That is what you asked for. Would YOU care to go on?

By Jay

December 28, 2005 02:00 PM | Link to this

Midori/TrickyDick, how has your privacy been violated?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 02:02 PM | Link to this

So gadem lands squarely on the side of the enemy: This guy has evidence that people caught on the battlefield trying to KILL! American soldiers had their RIGHTS VIOLATED! under the fourth amendment. How could I have missed this, why, I bet I’m driving by CONCENTRATION CAMPS! every day and I didn’t even know it. Alright, where do I sign up to become a hysterical pinko?

By gadem

December 28, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

Andy and Jay it would be in your best interest to read the link that Midori supplied. You may disagree with her, but atleast read the link.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 02:07 PM | Link to this

Excuse me for one moment, let me re read this NY Times article, “Bush wiretapping without the court’s approval,” O.K., I was just checking. Maybe I missed where you pinkos wanted him impeached for taking photographs of kooks in public? You weirdos do know that most cellphones have a camera in them now, don’t you?

By FormerAgent

December 28, 2005 02:09 PM | Link to this

Domestic surveillance is the greatest threat to the American way of life. Wake up people! Once you allow something like this to get started it is like the proverbial snowball rolling downhill. And you will not stop it once it becomes SOP. Study history people. Every single regime on this earth that we have formerly stood against conducted domestic spying against the populace. It is the way that they control the people and solidify their own base of power. You are allowing our government to become just like the governments we have historically stood against.

By Midori

December 28, 2005 02:12 PM | Link to this

Anyone have a valium they can lend to Andy?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 02:13 PM | Link to this

Midori’s link: Moonbat Central

A George Soros funded venture, as long as he’s not a Moonie!

By sickoftheneocons

December 28, 2005 02:14 PM | Link to this

I’m assuming from your lack of a response that I have satisfied your request for the example of a rights violation. Your welcome.

By Jay

December 28, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this

gadem, that link is trying to debunk what Drudge, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, etc. have said. Who cares, doesn’t mean very much as everything is heresay at this point.

By finch

December 28, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this

Be warned that links to the Washington Times, I mean the MOONIE Times should be automatically discredited.

Most newspapers, even the AJC, the NYT and the WSJ try to make a pretense of avoiding bias in news content, attempting to limit opinions to the editorial page.

The Moonie Times doesn’t even try. It ranks down there with the Soviet era Pravda when it comes to “fair and balanced”. Why, Britt Humes looks positively leftist compared to the Moonie Times.

Which is why nobody in Washington reads it.

And as for the Bush administration’s willy-nilly intrusions into personal lives: “The president has no right to ignore the rule of law as if it were a mere nuisance.”

Or, in case anyone missed FormerAgent’s succinct post above:

“Trust me on this one people. Once the people in a free society give up a civil liberty to the government, it is forever. The people never get that liberty back. Any time that you allow government to borrow or suspend your freedoms you have weakened the Constitution that was authored to protect you from government oppression. When an administration views the Constitution as an impediment or plays fast and loose in its interpretation of the Constitution, watch out. The ends never justify the means when your civil liberties and Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms are the price that you are asked to pay.”

Got THAT right. Our Founding Fathers weren’t paranoid. Human beings are NOT inherently good. And people really WERE after them. And the Bill of Rights was ratified to prevent that from happening again. Don’t give it up.

Happy New Year!

By Andy

December 28, 2005 02:18 PM | Link to this

Now that we’ve gotten the off the wall kook paranoid tales of terror out of the way, could someone please give me an instance where a wiretap surveillance has violated the rights of an American citizen, not a jihadist, gadem, you freak. Pretty please?

By Midori

December 28, 2005 02:20 PM | Link to this

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/wiretaps_0…

U.S. law enforcement sources said that more than four years of surveillance by the National Security Agency has failed to capture any high-level al Qaeda operative in the United States. They said al Qaeda insurgents have long stopped using the phones and even computers to relay messages. Instead, they employ couriers.

“They have been way ahead of us in communications security,” a law enforcement source said. “At most, we have caught some riff-raff. But the heavies remain free and we believe some of them are in the United States.”

By Midori

December 28, 2005 02:26 PM | Link to this

*By Andy

December 28, 2005 02:13 PM | Link to this

Midori’s link: Moonbat Central

A George Soros funded venture, as long as he’s not a Moonie!*

So, Andy — it could only be credible if it were funded by Richard Mellon Scaife — a la “The Spectator”?

Last I heard the Spectator was all about spreading lies and slime — not debunking it.

Do you have proof that Soros funds Media Matters? And if so, so what???? That makes them “unreliable”? “Untruthful”?

Unlike the Spectator, they don’t run stories like “Bill Clinton is a drug dealer”.

Media Matters relies on donations. They have an extensive research staff. And a volunteer staff. I used to volunteer for them by listening to Boortz and Limbaugh, and reporting their lies and disinformation to MM.

Again, you are trying to confuse facts with b.s.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 02:29 PM | Link to this

Washington Times readership grew nearly 3% in 2004, while the Washington Post’s dropped 2.7%.

It’s also one of the most visited websites in the world

Anyone want to guess why the pinkos don’t like them?

By M.C.

December 28, 2005 02:35 PM | Link to this

My wife is a legal immigrant to this country and has her permanent residence card. During the three year process to get this green card she was here on a K3 Visa. While waiting for her social security number she was issued a tax ID number by the government for tax return purposes. This was after she had been thoroughly screened and cleared into this country I might add. I am also a West Point grad and retired Army officer. When trying to add my wife,the checked out, cleared, K3 visa holder with the tax ID number to my bank account, I was told that the PATRIOT ACT prohibited it. When asked why, I was told that because she had no social security number (tax IDs are government issued and can be tracked) that it would be a way for money to be laundered through my account and funneled to terrorists. Now this sounded like fuzzy logic to me and 6 months later when she recieved her SSN she was added to my account with ease. To me this seems to be an example of government run amuck and of innocent people being treated like criminal suspects. And to think that there is 10,000 pages of garbage like this in the Patriot Act. And I am sure that there are alot more serious abridgements of our basic freedoms than joint bank accounts in that document. After serving this country faithfully for 21 years, I for one definately view government and this administration in particular with a sense of apprehension.

By Midori

December 28, 2005 02:38 PM | Link to this

Andy — I am sincerely happy for you and The Washington Times.

Whoopee!!!

Hip, Hip, Hooray!!!!

You happy now?

And I don’t like the Washington Times because it has no credibility.

But I remain happy for you.

By getalife

December 28, 2005 02:43 PM | Link to this

M.C. This is how our country treats our veterens.

Let freedom ring!

By M.C.

December 28, 2005 02:56 PM | Link to this

It pains me greatly that so many Americans will so easily give up the freedoms that so many have died for. I once saw something that compared the odds of being killed by terrorists and being killed in an airplane crash and winning the Powerball Lottery. There is a fatal air incident once in every 5,000,000 flights. So you have a 1 in 5,000,000 chance of dying that way. The odds on Powerball were more against you. But in both cases a person is more likely to be killed in a plane crash or to win the lottery than they are to be involved in a terrorist incident. I am rather amazed that the Bush administration has managed to create such fear among this populace that it would tolerate some of the things they are being told are needed to protect them from terrorism. Go figure.

By TrickyDick

December 28, 2005 03:06 PM | Link to this

Jay! Excuse me! I am one of you. I agree with the views of you and Andy. Do you have a reading comprehension problem. J. Edgar! Put a lookout on Jay!

By getalife

December 28, 2005 03:08 PM | Link to this

Bush is like the sick whale and all the other whales follow him blindly until they get stuck on the beach and lose their freedom. The terrorists want to change the American way of life and Bush is letting them.

By Objective Observer

December 28, 2005 03:11 PM | Link to this

M.C.: I can’t so easily discount the fears that loom in the hearts of those who had loved ones here

By getalife

December 28, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

OO, Those who had loved ones pushed for this.

By gadem

December 28, 2005 03:32 PM | Link to this

Andy would let everyone in the Bush Administration sleep with his mom if they told him it would prevent terrorist attacks.

By M.C.

December 28, 2005 03:35 PM | Link to this

Now show me a picture of KAL 007. I still will not stop flying any more than I will give up my freedoms. When we give them our freedom we have handed them a victory.

By getalife

December 28, 2005 03:35 PM | Link to this

Do not follow the sick whale

By finch

December 28, 2005 03:38 PM | Link to this

Andy, so the Washington Times circulation is up… to just over 100,000.*

The Washington Post circulation slips, but is still close to 3/4 of a MILLION.

*Corrolary: Exotic bird ownership rises in DC area. So does need for bird cage liner.

You crowing about Times readership is like MSNBC crowing about viewership. Dam**d lies with statistics. And even MSNBC gets more web hits.

And for a humorous, totally non-partisan, fair and balanced look at the Bush administration, the Bill of Rights, and the war on terror,

read this!

Merry New Year!

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 03:38 PM | Link to this

M.C.,

When you had your and your wife’s banking problem, did you bother to pick up a phone and call your Congressperson?

By Jay

December 28, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

Follow the dems

By Andy

December 28, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this

I step out for a minute, still no instances where someones civil rights have been violated by wiretap surveillance. The kook slogans never did stop coming, though…

Midori: Even media matters sez they are funded by pinkos: David Brock Group Backpedals on Soros Funding

(CNSNews.com) - Media Matters for America, the group headed by conservative turned liberal writer David Brock, has changed course on its stated association with billionaire liberal financier George Soros.

After initially claiming on Dec. 1, 2004 that “neither Media Matters nor its president and CEO David Brock has received any money from Soros or from any organization with which he is affiliated,” the group is no longer disavowing any connection with groups “affiliated” with Soros.

The Media Matters shift came after Cybercast News Service questioned the group’s financial ties and demonstrated that there were numerous and extensive links between Media Matters and several Soros “affiliates” like MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress and Soros ally Peter Lewis.

Let me guess, Moveon is not funded ny Soros, right, loonies?

By David Loveall

December 28, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this

Mike, I was searching for news on MSNBC and found that 11 of the 24 favorite editorial cartioons were yours. Not bad for a guy who’s journalism teacher said one day in class that, “not many cartoonists make it, you’d better find another way to make a living…just in case it doesn’t work out..” Fortunately, you didn’t have ears to hear then…and still don’t. Good on you man! From your school newspaper buddy whose making a living as a photographer, just like he was doing in high school newspaper class. Just goes to show you, without dreams, we both could have been silver star insurance salesmen, eh?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 03:53 PM | Link to this

wench: Allow me to quote you, as you seem to have forgotten, which is one of your more useful ploys: Which is why nobody in Washington reads it- I hate to break the news to you but 100,000, aside from not being nobody, is a lot in a town that went 85% Kerry in 04.

You mind showing your link for web hits or is it classified?

By Midori

December 28, 2005 04:02 PM | Link to this

Andy — I don’t care if Bozo the Clown funds Media Matters, it still has nothing to do with MM showing your side to be lying, thieving dogs.

Who cares about its funding? Do they not tell the truth, and debunk the lies? Who should Media Matters look to for funding? Abramoff? Ney? Delay?

What the hell is your point?

That’s all your side is good for — you can’t debate the facts, therefore, you TRY to throw up a smokescreen and start with the name calling.

again, who CARES if Soros, et. al are funding them? Who CARES?

Does the funding in any way take anything away from MM telling the truth and busting you and your ilk in your lies?

Your’e mixing apples and oranges.

Moon funds Washington Times, a totally unprofessional right wing bird liner.

Soros (so you and Cyber Cast News, what ever that is) funds Media Matters, who tracks and corrects lies and misinformation spread by rags like the Moonie Times.

P.s. — is Cyber Cast News anything like “Talon News”?

By Midori

December 28, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this

ahem

I just answered my own question:

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the “Conservative News Service,” CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 2000.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=CybercastNewsService

Yeah — right. CNS is just dripping with credibility.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 04:06 PM | Link to this

Let me try this in Midori speak: Moon funds Washington Times, a totally unprofessional right wing bird liner. Or Soros funds Media Matters, a totally unprofessional left wing (cage, sweetheart) bird liner.

By buster hymen

December 28, 2005 04:07 PM | Link to this

mIdori, what are you wearing today, darlin’?

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 04:08 PM | Link to this

So Midori wants the legality of any issue decided by Media Matters instead of through Congressional oversight and the Judiciary.

Remind me who it is that’s supposedly giving up our rights.

By M.C.

December 28, 2005 04:09 PM | Link to this

Yes I did R.W. And I got the polite response that it was indeed uncalled for but other than the sympathy that was it. The greatest assistance that I got through the whole process was from our immigration attorney who was a former FBI agent.

By Midori

December 28, 2005 04:12 PM | Link to this

hey Andy —

you still didn’t answer my question.

I’ll be back in a couple hours.

I want you to show me that Media Matters lies, distorts or anything thing else you are hinting.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this

George Soros told a carefully vetted gathering of 70 likeminded millionaires and billionaires last weekend that they must be patient if they want to realize long-term political and ideological yields from an expected massive investment in “startup� progressive think tanks.

Senior Democratic National Committee (DNC) officials were quietly briefed about the meeting in recent weeks. DNC Chairman Howard Dean was aware of it, in part though his friendship with Stein, but one senior DNC source said the organizers “kept that list [of attendees] kind of tight.�

Sarah Ingersoll, de facto spokeswoman for Stein’s Democracy Alliance, said it was “a very preliminary meeting of committed donors interested in building a community to support progressive infrastructure.�

The Democracy Alliance will act as a clearinghouse and is expected to channel much of its money to new organizations and existing ones such as John Podesta’s Center for American Progress and David Brock’s Media Matters for America.

By Midori

December 28, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this

RW — I think I hear your Mommy calling you.

I’ll see you after dinner, and after your diaper change.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this

M.C.,

I’m surprised, usually Congresspeople will jump on an issue like that.

Did you ever find out whether it was truly in the law or a bureaucratic misunderstanding? And if you don’t mind saying, who is your Rep.?

By Midori

December 28, 2005 04:16 PM | Link to this

I repeat:

hey Andy —

you still didn’t answer my question.

I’ll be back in a couple hours.

I want you to show me that Media Matters lies, distorts or anything thing else you are hinting.

Because Soros, Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck funds them, does that mean they lie, distort, etc.?

Help me out here.

By Midori

December 28, 2005 04:18 PM | Link to this

Andy, Andy, Andy.

Is that all you have?

That MM is FUNDED?

By Progressives, no less?

So, in your mind, being funded by progressives makes one a liar?

Please explain.

Please show me MM’s lies.

Please.

By Midori

December 28, 2005 04:20 PM | Link to this

and Andy — you’re going to have to provide better proof that font size, type face and ledding.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 04:24 PM | Link to this

If you type Media Matters into the search window here you can see a few examples

By M.C.

December 28, 2005 04:24 PM | Link to this

I also found out during this process that low ranking government officials like to interpret the law as they want it to be as opposed to what the law really is. When you go to the consulate to finally be issued the K3 visa you are given a list of documents to bring. Just as we were at the end of the process and before the consular officer was about to issue the K3 another officer that had not been involved with us to that point demanded to see a document that was not on the list. She was going to make us return home, which was about 800 miles away to get this document THAT WASN’T ON THE LIST. Just because she had arbitrarily decided to change the governments own list. Much to her dismay I called our attorney who called her supervisor, who personally issued the K3 after speaking to our attorney. He also took her to his office after issuing the visa. What I am trying to point out here folks is that we do get abused by our government and should be very vigilent in our oversight of them. I am pleased to say that Senator Zell Miller made life very unpleasent for the wayward INS official that for what ever reason had decided to interpret the policy to suit her instead of administering it the way it was intended. Sound familiar?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 04:25 PM | Link to this

Midori: Senior Democratic National Committee (DNC) officials were quietly briefed about the meeting in recent weeks- Seems pretty clear to me. I hate breaking the news to you but you would never believe the extent that the media goes to to get the pinko message out. You could say that they are the democratic party communication wing. It’s a disease that has spread throughout PBS, NPR, PMSNBC, ABS, C B.S, Clinton News Network and virtually every newspaper in the country. This has to be devastating news for you, to find out all of the things you had taken for granted are total falsehoods. You need to be debriefed. There’s probably an RNC branch office in your neighborhood, go there immediately, tell them Andy sent you, they will know what to do.

By Objective Observer

December 28, 2005 04:28 PM | Link to this

Getalife: It sounds like Bush is on board for changes. What’s holding up Congress? Oh yeah, spending. Then everyone will be complaining about excessive costs and so on and so on and…..see how complicated things become. What to do? What to do?

I was at the beach with friends where 45 Belugas had beached themselves. All my friends wanted to go see them. They went without me. Sad! Too sad! I’m not a whale.

By M.C.

December 28, 2005 04:34 PM | Link to this

RW at the time my rep was John Linder. The scary thing is that these guys themselves have know idea what is contained in the 10,000 pages of the Patriot Act. What I suspect is that they called the bank and the bank repeated what they had told me and that was it. There is no doubt in my mind that the bank was right. That is the point I am trying to make. We are all being treated like criminals. We are at the mercy of 10,000 pages of God knows what else. I think that Bob Barr would have been a little more helpful.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 04:36 PM | Link to this

Does the fact that Media Matters thinks Chis Matthews is a right wing hack say anything about their credibility?

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

M.C.,

John Linder is working hard to get about 3 million pages of regulations off our back right now.

I don’t see how the bank following a regulation, albeit what seems to be a bad one, means you are being treated as a criminal. In any case those are the sorts of things we run across all the time in dealing with government, much like your Visa story. It doesn’t mean we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If I ran across a situation like that and my Congressperson was unhelpful, I would take it to the press. With the resume you have given us I’m sure they would lap it up.

By finch

December 28, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this

Andy, you warp the numbers again. While 85% of voters in DC itself went for Kerry, DC proper has a population of only about 500,000. The greater DC area, which includes its VA and MD suburbs has a population of 4.7 MILLION.

Here’s more from Wikipedia.

DC collar counties including Loudon (56%-44% for Bush) and Prince William VA and Charles MD went GOP in 2004.

Fun fact: The DC Metro carries more than 700,000 passengers a day.

And despite the size and political plurality of that market, the Moonie Times can barely sell 100,000 copies a day, and loses 10s of MILLIONS of dollars a year. The only thing that keeps it afloat are donations from pie-eyed Moonies.

Like I said. Nobody reads the Washington Times. Nobody.

Merry New Year.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 28, 2005 04:53 PM | Link to this

Linking to Boortz to try to prove Media Matters lies? I’m gonna’ laugh all the way home!

Boortz? Really Boortz?

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

You’re right! It’s much easier just to look at the Media Matters site. Although they did butcher the report on Boortz.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 05:04 PM | Link to this

wench: 107,000 people add up to nobody? At 50 cents a copy that adds up to $53,500 a day right there, I’d take that. Not to mention the web site visits which I can’t find a count for, RW?

Hey, maybe if you hold your breath and scream NOBODY! it will come true, or at least you would pass out and stop bothering us with your nonsense.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 05:08 PM | Link to this

Well, well, look at this. The Wall Street Journal is quoting from the Washington Times, go figure.

Complacency Threatens Civil Liberties “Some centrist Democrats say attacks by their party leaders on the Bush administration’s eavesdropping on suspected terrorist conversations will further weaken the party’s credibility on national security,” reports Donald Lambro of the Washington Times:

“I think when you suggest that civil liberties are just as much at risk today as the country is from terrorism, you’ve gone too far if you leave that impression. I don’t believe that’s true,” said Michael O’Hanlon, a national-security analyst at the Brookings Institution who advises Democrats on defense issues.

“I get nervous when I see the Democrats playing this [civil liberties] issue out too far. They had better be careful about the politics of it,” said Mr. O’Hanlon, who says the Patriot Act is “good legislation.”

By UGAlawDawg

December 28, 2005 05:08 PM | Link to this

finch that was a very good link.

By Steve SC

December 28, 2005 05:10 PM | Link to this

I am shocked, SHOCKED, that George Soros recommends that liberals start funding progressive think tanks. This is exactly the strategy that big business started in the 70s, which is why there are so many strong conservative think tanks in D. C. Frankly, I’d rather listen to a discussion between the Cato Institute and the Brookings Institution than one between Bill O’Reilly and Michael Moore. Public debate can only benefit.

By UGAlawDawg

December 28, 2005 05:18 PM | Link to this

What I am seeing here is Andy trying to make everything an ideological Dem vs Repub issue when the real issue is an assault on our constitution and the accountability of the executive branch of government in the discharge of its duties. The president is sworn to defend the constitution, not erode it because he percieves it as an inconvenience.

By M.C.

December 28, 2005 05:32 PM | Link to this

RW, with respect, it was not a regulation that the bank created. It was dictated to the bank by the Patriot Act. I think that anyone that is being told that they can’t add someone to their bank account because they could then use it to finance terrorism through that account would feel as we did. This goes straight to the heart of the issue. The government does not want to be bothered with the inconvenience of having to gather the evidence needed to monitor individuals who have given them reason to look as the law dictates. They want to throw a blanket over us all for their convenience at the expense of our freedom.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 05:34 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Try this, I don’t think it’s a complete picture though

By Andy

December 28, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

UGAlawDawg: So this is the very first issue you pinkos have had with George W Bush, eh? All those other spastic meltdowns you had, over anything he did, were just a warm up for the domestic spying issue, that you libs have been generally pleased with his performance, right?

Isn’t it amazing that when a kook pinko says that we need to “get along” or this is “about America not politics,” five minutes later they’ll be calling Bush a shrub and Chimpy McHitlerBurton? Do they really expect us to fall for their nonsense?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 05:39 PM | Link to this

RW: Thanks, an average of 10,000,000 page hits a day is an awful lot for a right wing nobody rag.

By UGAlawDawg

December 28, 2005 05:44 PM | Link to this

Andy, little pinko. Earlier today someone pointed out that you would make a fine “pinko”. That you display all of the traits that make you the representative sample for a friend of Fidel. They were right. Fidel has his little Che Guevaras and I guess our guy has his Andys.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 05:47 PM | Link to this

M.C.,

Obviously I didn’t say it was a bank making the regulation or I wouldn’t have suggested that if it was a provision of the Patriot Act it might need to be changed.

There may well be a good reason for being careful with Federal TIN’s, as they are extremely easy to get.

I think you are confusing the issues of trying to prevent a terrorist attack with solving a crime.

Frankly I would be more inclined to listen to liberal arguments on this issue if they wouldn’t have been so vociferous in condemning the President for not doing enough to prevent 9/11. I don’t see any evidence of a police state, I think this is just political opportunism on the part of some.

By William Casey

December 28, 2005 05:52 PM | Link to this

Andy, I suspect that you are part of a communist sleeper cell and have just been activated to spread your anti-american, anti-freedom ideas to the populace. Watch yourself PINKO!

By finch

December 28, 2005 05:53 PM | Link to this

Andy, in a market the size of DC, a newspaper should be a license to print money. The Moonie… excuse me, the Washington Times has lost an estimated $1 BILLION since it’s 1982 founding. That comes out to around $50 MILLION a year, just under a million a week, or $120,000 a day.

I’ve rounded some numbers, but that’s a good ballpark figure.

So it makes $50,000/day in sales? Hold me back. Any other business would shut down.

Meanwhile, The Washington Post outsells the Washington Times by more than 7 to one, and makes so much money it can’t spend it fast enough.

The conservatives in the DC area who do read the Times also read the Post so they know what’s really going on.

Bottom line? For all practical purposes, nobody reads it.

Those are the facts. Chew. Swallow.

Merry New Year.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 05:54 PM | Link to this

UGAlawDawg: Au contraire, sweetheart: pink·o-(P)-Pronunciation Key(pngk) n. Slang pl. pink·os A person who holds moderately leftist political views; a pink.

I seriously doubt if there are very many people that would make the same mistake you just did. Other than that, it was a nice empty meaningless infantile rant. It’s almost like you haven’t contributed anything to the discussion.

By Daniel

December 28, 2005 05:57 PM | Link to this

FOny.

By UGAlawDawg

December 28, 2005 05:59 PM | Link to this

Andy the PINKO must be right. None of the rest of us can possibly know what makes a PINKO except for Andy. So maybe we should just call you commissar or little Fidel. Which do you prefer?

By finch

December 28, 2005 06:01 PM | Link to this

One US newspaper is out to educate Congress with a book drive.

You can do your part.

It’s the patriotic thing to do.

Merry New Year.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 06:05 PM | Link to this

wench: I finally figured out why some people deny the Holocaust- Bottom line? For all practical purposes, nobody reads it.- Little did I know that 107,000 subscribers and 10,000,000 page hits per day were “nobody.” That’s what your fellow kooks are trying to say, that “nobody” died in the Holocaust. It’s all clear now.

You have to add advertising revenue on to the 53 grand, you b-imbo. I thought you could figure that on your own. It must really suck to know that the Times gets the truth out everyday, 24/7, and there ain’t nothing you can do about it except lose elections, BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA. I’ll take my majority in the government, you enjoy your high circulation numbers, b-ozo.

By RW-(the original)

December 28, 2005 06:06 PM | Link to this

This is finch?

By Andy

December 28, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this

UGAlawDawg: Ummm, my definition of pinko came from Webster’s. Don’t tell me they’re apart of the CONSPIRACY! too.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 06:10 PM | Link to this

Cartoon boy is bragging about another TV show on a new thread.

By Andy

December 28, 2005 07:08 PM | Link to this

It’s Annie time again!

By Odelay

January 1, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

*Orwell had opposed a war with Germany, declaring that the British Empire was worse than Hitler, but during World War II Orwell served as a sergeant in the Home Guard and worked as a journalist for the BBC, Observer and Tribune, where he was literary editor from 1943 to 1945. Toward the end of the war, he wrote Animal Farm, which depicted the betrayal of a revolution. After the war, Orwell went to Germany as a reporter, but in his dispatches he sent to The Observer and The Manchester Evening News he did not mention the extermination camps or Auschwitz.

Source: http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/gorwell.htm