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By Marion of Texas
December 22, 2005 09:34 PM | Link to this
Mike Luckovich, you are the best! Thanks for all the laughs in these dark times!
By finch
December 22, 2005 09:37 PM | Link to this
I’ll be the first to say it. The whole eavesdropping thing is getting old. It’s been beaten to death. Mike, I like your stuff. Usually. But this is soooo stale.
Merry Christmas.
By RW-(the original)
December 22, 2005 09:42 PM | Link to this
ml, Is the picture of the brontosaurus above the mantel a luckovich family tradition?
By getalife
December 22, 2005 09:45 PM | Link to this
Pumpkin must be calling from overseas because W would never listen in on a domestic call. Or would he?
By Michael
December 22, 2005 09:52 PM | Link to this
I can see Bush defenders in the early 1800s. “This ‘blacks should be free’ thing is getting old.” Or perhaps as the British: “this ‘America should have Independence thing’ is getting old.” Or in modern times: “This ‘gays should be able to marry’ thing is getting old.”
Oooohhhhh. I get it!
By finch
December 22, 2005 09:57 PM | Link to this
Hey RW! Andy!!! Dusty!!
Michael actually thinks I’m a Bush defender!
Why, I don’t know whether to be flattered or hurt! But I know my old neighbor John McCain would be SO proud!
By Dusty
December 22, 2005 10:11 PM | Link to this
Well, Luckovich has wrapped up another nice little Christmas present for the liberals. There’s the tree, the stockings and the little white lie about Bush. Who could ask for more? Maybe AJC will put a bonus in his stocking for this contribution. If not, Osama will send one in appreciation.
By timid one
December 22, 2005 10:18 PM | Link to this
At the risk of sounding foolish I am afraid I don’t understand the cartoon today. Could someone explain it.
By Dusty
December 22, 2005 10:25 PM | Link to this
Finch, Michael obviously makes a lot of mistakes. He will be delighted to find that the two of you think alike.
Err, Finch, would you mind using the tin cans for communication? So much fun. John McCain would LIKE that.
By RW-(the original)
December 22, 2005 10:42 PM | Link to this
finch,
Michael has got you pegged, talk about insight. That guy is omnipotent. I think this was Michael right before that post
By Objective Observer
December 22, 2005 10:44 PM | Link to this
Finch: Try it on for size. I challenge you to argue for the other side for just one day. It will be fun!!!
By Objective Observer
December 22, 2005 10:53 PM | Link to this
Oh forgot! This one sucks!
By Semper Fi
December 22, 2005 10:54 PM | Link to this
timit one, It means ML thinks an American family of 4 are the terroist.
By timid one
December 22, 2005 10:57 PM | Link to this
Semper Fi Thanks
By finch
December 22, 2005 10:58 PM | Link to this
I guess I should be more consistent, or what?? I’m a moderate at heart you know. I don’t personally hate President Bush, but I think he’s a lousy chief executive. I think Hillary would be worse. I even hate Cindy Sheehan!!
But I think Rove is a jerk, Abramoff and Reed deserve eachother as jailhouse lovers, Cheney is a megalomaniac, and Rummy’s just evil.
I love the Bill of Rights and detest government snoops.
There… did I miss anything?
By Semper Fi
December 22, 2005 11:01 PM | Link to this
Finch, How about apple pies ,Chevorlets and hot dogs.
By finch
December 22, 2005 11:13 PM | Link to this
This late breaking story just in!
Proof Ann Coulter has broken at least one of the 10 Commandments.
Specifically, the 2nd Commandment. The one prohibiting the worship of false gods and graven images.
Go directly to hell, Ann. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
Merry Christmas!
By Dusty
December 22, 2005 11:17 PM | Link to this
Well, timid one, perhaps you are not used to the shenanigans of political cartoonists such as Luckovich. If you honestly don’t understand, these cartoonists try to make political people look like fools. In this cartoon, Luckovich shows a lady talking on the phone to “Pumpkins” and saying that the president of the United States is sitting in his office evesdropping on their conversations. That is so rediculous that it is supposed to be funny. Luckovich, an anti-war liberal is trying to make our president look like some kind of subversive spy type. The politics behind this are so complicated:Patriot Act, NSA, balky Congress, wartime Presidential powers, wire taps, legalities, terrorists. It goes on and on. Don’t have any more time tonight. I am sure someone else will give you a different opinion.
Good night.
By finch
December 22, 2005 11:32 PM | Link to this
Dusty, that’s accurate enough.
I’d add that most political humor is based on exaggeration. President Bush isn’t really listening in on Mom, Dad, Pumpkin or Pumpkin’s brother. But he could be!!
Um, that’s the joke.
Merry Christmas.
By RW-(the original)
December 22, 2005 11:48 PM | Link to this
finch,
One of these days in a post all by itself, would you mind listing the actual people whose lives were destroyed by Joseph McCarthy?
Take your time, I understand you don’t get to post often.
By CorneliusD
December 22, 2005 11:48 PM | Link to this
Mike:
You and your peer from the Seattle Post have left me laughing in stitches over the past few years.
Don’t stop…….. Keep it up. Hell, who cares who is in office. You will find truthful humor in all of it……. Cool..
By Prester John
December 22, 2005 11:55 PM | Link to this
For Our Democrat Friends:
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.
We also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2006, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere; and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.
By accepting these greetings you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for herself or himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher.
This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.”
For Our Republican Friends:
Here’s wishing all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 12:19 AM | Link to this
Prester John,
That was perfect! I hope you don’t mind if I spread it around.
By Washington State
December 23, 2005 12:59 AM | Link to this
When the world is all bland white bread, you will be happy. How do you greet your Jewish friends? Oh, I forgot, you only have white male middle class friends, right?
By Washington State
December 23, 2005 01:00 AM | Link to this
Now what are you going to do with all those neo-con Jewish friends you have picked up in the last 10 years?
By Washington State
December 23, 2005 01:02 AM | Link to this
Now what are you going to do with all those nice neo-con Jewish friends you have picked up in the last 10 years?
By Jhdies
December 23, 2005 04:57 AM | Link to this
As long as whosits keeps on listenin’ and abusin’ his authority, continuing to point it out ain’t gettin’ old—no way, no how.
Joseph McCarthey’s witchhunt killed many creative people’s careers (as well as sometimes literally killing them by killing their spirts); and we may have lost some great works due to McCarthey’s abuse of power as well.
It is true that whosits never even had a passport before becoming king of the U.S.? No wonder he’s always suspicious of them furenurs and people who may be talkin’ to ‘em.
By Kevin
December 23, 2005 07:12 AM | Link to this
Well like said before clinton n carter did it wire-tappin in 95 n 79 so what is different Bush zip….and who sent that kid to cuba from his dad in fla old slick willie n his cow oh what her name….Oh yeah janet Reno….remember it u clods
By AntiRadical
December 23, 2005 07:33 AM | Link to this
Kevin, Difference: So far no one has shown that Clinton or Carter used the power of their office to imtimidate political enemies like Nixon did with is “Whitehouse Plumbers” and the Bush administration did with Valerie Plame (oh wait, the Bush spin doctoring machine will probably tell us that exposing Plame’s CIA identity was neccessary to insure national security). I don’t think people would be up in arms about this wire-tapping thing if Bush didn’t already have a history of abuse of power.
By BigDaddy
December 23, 2005 07:47 AM | Link to this
The Scribbler’s recipe for political cartooning:
1) Take any political issue that casts the Republicans in a bad light
2) Beat the horse.
3) Flay the horse.
4) Wring every last bit of commentary possible out of said political issue until nothing is left but bones.
5) (Optional) Draw a maximum of one cartoon per year that disparages Democrats, no matter their levels of malfeasance or complicity - you know, so that you can show that you’re balanced.
6) Repeat, beginning at Step 1, until even your supporters recognize that you’re a tired, boring hack…
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 07:50 AM | Link to this
Uncanny resemblance? Here’s your chance Cindy… President Bush is listening.
By finch
December 23, 2005 07:53 AM | Link to this
Prester, that’s very good. Like Mike’s cartoons, it is satire based on naked exaggeration and does the job well.
RW, this guy Joseph McCarthy. He was, like, an important Senator, right?
Whatever. Ann Coulter apparently worships him. Has she had him stuffed and mounted yet?
Merry Christmas!
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 08:29 AM | Link to this
Alright R.W., I see your “that’s funny” and call. Could you explain the technical term “thread”?
By Rich
December 23, 2005 08:31 AM | Link to this
Bush = Nazi
By Ira
December 23, 2005 08:32 AM | Link to this
Prester,
Wow! You cut and paste without attribution!
Get him RW!!!
Or is that particular part of your wrath only for those you seem to dislike?
By Ira
December 23, 2005 08:38 AM | Link to this
This is an excellent cartoon Mike.
Keep ‘em coming on this front. The psuedo-patriots that p** and moan on this site that are willing to give up some of their rights are cowards and leaders of the real anti-America crowd.
They should all abide by their sometime credo: America, Love it or Leave it. Since they don’t love this country enough to stand up for the basis of it — the US Constitution — the should get the heck out.
The sooner the bette really. Let me know when you’re leaving America Haters. I want to throw a party.
By Eric
December 23, 2005 08:46 AM | Link to this
Laugh out loud knee slapper. Thanks again Mike. Keep up the great work! For Christmas I hope you get a new display case for all your awards. Merry Christmas, Mike!
By AntiRadical
December 23, 2005 08:50 AM | Link to this
Bush Logic: If fire fighters fight fires and crime fighters fight crime; what do freedom fighters fight?
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 09:09 AM | Link to this
Ira: I am not inclined to do this often, but the object of your obsession has become blatantly obvious! It is “YOU”!
Surely, you cannot support the boring redundancy of these cartoons as creative. As a fan, I would think that “YOU” would expect more from “YOUR” ml.
When you come back with your personal attack against “me”, be forewarned, it will have no effect. Most everybody here on both sides, are here for open discussion and “fun”. What is your definition of “fun”?
By Jay
December 23, 2005 09:15 AM | Link to this
Intercepting communications into and out of the United States of persons linked to AL-QAIDA in order to detect and prevent a catastrophic attack is reasonable. In this circumstance, if there is not enough time to get a warrant, exceptions can be made for the sake of national security.
By getalife
December 23, 2005 09:18 AM | Link to this
The real Bush: Warm and hearty in public, Bush can be cold and snappish in private, and aides sometimes cringe before the displeasure of the president of the United States, or, as he is known in West Wing jargon, POTUS
By Ira
December 23, 2005 09:26 AM | Link to this
OO,
Still waiting on you to enlighten me on what your link was supposed to point to the other day. Let’s discuss whatever it was.
As for ML and this issue… The secret abuses of the 4th Amendment rights of the citizens of this Country is not an “issue of the day” that can be ignored just becuase you’re bored with it. This is serious and needs to remain in the public focus. I believe a crime was commited and do not think ML or the AJC or FOX News should do anything but discuss, report, investigate this until all the facts are brought to light and the full extent of this illegal activity is known to one and all.
Finally, I’ve never attacked you so I don’t know where this paranoia is coming from. I mock Andy alot but that’s becuase he’s a whacko. I inadvertantly taunted RW yesterday, admitted my error and retracted it. When have I done anything to you? Serously, what’s got your knickers in a wad this am?
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 09:37 AM | Link to this
Objective Observer,
On this blog I would call a “thread” the comments under a particular cartoon or one of ml’s mindless ramblings. For instance there was the “Bush never listens to anyone” thread on the 15th and three separate “Bush is listening to everyone” threads since.
Prester John,
I don’t blame you for not attributing an open source version of a greeting just because it shows up unattributed on other web sites. F. Lee Ira notwithstanding.
finch,
Typical response to a specific request. Thank You.
To the three of you and anyone else seeing this throughout the day a truly Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah!
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 09:44 AM | Link to this
Getalife: Read your link, fair in its’ distribution of blame, except it left Blanco out. I have been told that I, too am unapproachable. Now you have to know that I am but a “docile kitten” and may nibble, but never bite.
By Ira
December 23, 2005 09:44 AM | Link to this
RW,
The post comes from here.
Note that this is on one of the links I posted earlier.
Shame on you and your double standard.
By getalife
December 23, 2005 09:50 AM | Link to this
OO, The more I read about Bush, the more he seems like Nixon.
By Bee Ess Detector.
December 23, 2005 09:52 AM | Link to this
So who has the problem here? Sounds like “Objecting Obsessor” is the one with the problem. Some of you people seem a little too sensitive. Why obsess with a cartoon to the point some of you do? Some hate every cartoon Mike draws, some like all of them, big deal. Its the regulars here that have hijacked this blog with all the cartoon characters you so dearly protect. Remember, this is an ANONYMOUS blog.
By getalife
December 23, 2005 09:59 AM | Link to this
If you are against domestic spying, you can do something about it
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 09:59 AM | Link to this
Ira,
Is it your position that anything written on Scott Schwimer’s web site is his original material, because this, where you could easily be “the other guy” doesn’t seem too original.
By RW-(the original) Objective Observer Andy getalife Ira Finch Carol Dusty Midori et. al.
December 23, 2005 09:59 AM | Link to this
Bee Ess,
No, you are wrong, our whole lives and senses of self are tied in to the assorted ramblings posted here. We live for this and are truly hurt when someone speaks ill of us. Please don’t take this all away from us with rational thought, we implore you!
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 10:01 AM | Link to this
Ira: In response, I cannot recall the point I was trying to link, and I tend not to dwell on single topics for too long. You’re right about the need to stay on top of important issues. But everyone here is being bombarded with media coverage of the topic, and “we” are all paying attention.
Obviously “YOU” feel that “we” can be enlightened by “YOUR” clear? perspective on the topic. Guess what, not everybody but “YOU” is in the dark…some of “us” just look through a different window for a different light.
My knickers are just fine. Thanks for asking.
By Barney Fife
December 23, 2005 10:09 AM | Link to this
Citizens arrest! Citizens arrest!!!
Someone linked without a source.
Get’um RW, sick’em RW!!
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 10:10 AM | Link to this
Barney Fife,
A link is, by definition, sourced.
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 10:15 AM | Link to this
Bee Ess: Don’t misunderstand. I have found some of his cartoons funny, no matter who is the topic, although that does not change very often. I just think that a political cartoonist owes it to his readers to be more creative. It is kinda like looking at the same “dust bunnies” under your bed week after week and asking yourself why you haven’t just vacuumed.
If you find my analogy strange, don’t worry. I’ve had that pointed out to me before, the problem may or may not be, that they make perfectly good sense to me.
By Ira
December 23, 2005 10:20 AM | Link to this
OO,
It’s too bad you can’t stay on one topic for too long. Oh well, so much for a discussion.
I post my opinions here for the same reason you do and just because you don’t agree with me does not mean I will stop. Deal with it.
Look through whatever window you desire, just don’t come crying to me when the cops sneak up behind you and arrest you for some undocumented reason and hold you for an for an indeterminate amount of time with no access to a lawyer.
PS Shouting only makes you look silly.
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 10:23 AM | Link to this
R.W.: My common definition of “thread” is a string than is used to close a gaping hole in the seat of your pants. Yesterday was yesterday and today brings new light.
Merry Christmas to All!!!!!!!
By Ira
December 23, 2005 10:26 AM | Link to this
RW,
Your facile wit is amusing.
Thanks for the attemted insult. I shall wear it as a badge of honor.
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 10:28 AM | Link to this
Objective Observer,
Sometimes thread is a Bridal shop
How did you know about my pants?
By getalife
December 23, 2005 10:30 AM | Link to this
We’ve done more damage than good,” Obama said, citing tax breaks for the wealthy and cuts to food stamp and Medicaid funding
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 10:31 AM | Link to this
Ira,
It’s there for all to see, whether you choose to wear it or not.
Now, I’ll ask again, is all the unattributed material on Scott Schwimer’s web site his original work?
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 10:32 AM | Link to this
Ira: You misunderstand my “YOU” vs. “me”. Not shouting! Arrogance vs. humility. If I had to recognize two things which I find valuable in a person, they would be “sense of humor” and “humility”. If you could muster up some of both, I could better appreciate your contribution.
Now, before I see your response, allow me to say, that “my” opinion should mean no more to “YOU” than it does to “me”.
I sincerely hope that you have a wonderful holiday!!!
By Ira
December 23, 2005 10:33 AM | Link to this
getalife,
I guess the GOP are secret fans of the Dead Kennedy’s then?
Kill Kill Kill Kill the Poor
By getalife
December 23, 2005 10:45 AM | Link to this
Why does the GOP hate the middle class and poor people in this country? Is it becuse they can’t afford to donate to their campaigns? I am all for campaign reform and hope the upcoming indictments will be the first step.
By Ira
December 23, 2005 10:48 AM | Link to this
OO,
Your opinion is no more important to me than RW’s is. The discussion is where the fun is.
Humor and humility are next to impossible to determine or convey in this format so I’m not quite sure what you’re looking for and I really don’t care.
Your arrogance is getting old. I’m done with you.
Thanks!
RW,
I’m saying the cut n’ paster should have - by your rules - given some attribution or used a link - again your rules.
You gave him a pass and showed me that you have double standards.
Shame on you. Consistency is a virtue.
Happy Holidays to all!
oops… did I just kill an Elf or something?
By Andy
December 23, 2005 10:51 AM | Link to this
I completely agree with Objective Observer, he has excellent insight on this. I find this cartoon to be disgusting and morally objectionable. How much more does the left think they can get out of this Cindy Sheehan woman? To take advantage of this woman’s grief to further your pinko “Impeach Bush” campaign is one thing; now cartoon boy is going to mock her, using her dearly departed and divorced relatives to attack Bush? This is as low as it gets. Will someone please get this woman the help she needs and quit using her in your cheap political pursuits, for the love of God?
Merry Christmas!
By Andy
December 23, 2005 10:52 AM | Link to this
Ira: Mock this.
Merry Christmas!
By Jesus
December 23, 2005 10:56 AM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
By Ira
December 23, 2005 10:58 AM | Link to this
Andy,
And to you Happy Holidays!
I hope you have a wonderful Kwanza!
By Ira
December 23, 2005 10:59 AM | Link to this
You tell ‘em Jesus!
By Brazil Boy
December 23, 2005 11:01 AM | Link to this
Very interesting, the holiday “greeting” from Prester John…
It shows what it’s really all about for the Republicans: they despise Democrats for representing something other than their vision of the all-WASP world that they long for and expect to live in after the Second Coming. They see us as the enablers of a real-life Nicolae Carpathia (see the Left Behind series of trash novels).
Republicans, on the other hand, are the virtuous Christians knights that will defeat the Beast.
It figures. Except for a select group of war profiteers and other scoundrels, it is impossible for a rational individual to still support George Bush.
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this
Ira,
I have no idea where “Prester John” got this. As you have pointed out some variation appears in many areas, I have received similar greetings via e-mail. There is no need for attribution in a case like that.
In the hypothetical case of some unnamed pompous jerk trying to act like they are some sort of legal genius cutting and pasting directly from the ACLU web site referencing cases the ACLU is proudly holding up as examples of their fine work, then said pompous jerk should attribute their source.
Attribution: All or most of the above words can be found in a number of reference sources all of which can be accessed here
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 11:05 AM | Link to this
Andy: I will not stand by while you attribute my thoughts to those of a “man”. I am firm and inflexible on this issue.
Getalife: I just want you to know that I am “middle class” and a lot of my time and monthly income is contributed to those in need. But I think you already know that, for, “you” are a dear sweet man.
Merry Christmas Andy! Merry Christmas Getalife” Merry Christmas “Jesus”
By Ira
December 23, 2005 11:05 AM | Link to this
Jesus,
Before I go, Happy Birthday!
Tell Elvis we miss him.
By Jay
December 23, 2005 11:06 AM | Link to this
I bet the picture above the mantle in the ‘toon is acutally meant to be the Lock Ness Monster
By Andy
December 23, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this
Brazil Boy: Au contraire on Prester John, I believe he is trying to illustrate the petty efforts of the left to highlight each individual’s differences, instead of just not noticing them and everybody getting along. The concept is too simple for the pinkos, they have to label everyone to satisfy their perverted worldview.
Merry Christmas!
By getalife
December 23, 2005 11:12 AM | Link to this
O O, (_) _/
Good for you. Merry Christmas!
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this
R.W.: Not your pants!!!
By getalife
December 23, 2005 11:16 AM | Link to this
O O
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By Andy
December 23, 2005 11:17 AM | Link to this
Let’s see if I can get the pinkos to freak slam out..
Alito Argued to Overturn Roe in 1985 Memo
Merry Christmas, Pro Lifers!
By getalife
December 23, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this
O O
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By Ira
December 23, 2005 11:20 AM | Link to this
RW,
So if what was posted could be found in many places it need not be attributed?
I think you owe said jerk an apology.
Or, do you want to clarify something again?
By getalife
December 23, 2005 11:26 AM | Link to this
OO, I was trying to do this
By finch
December 23, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this
Sigh. RW, it’s depressing that you don’t believe that Senator Joe McCarthy “actually destroyed” the lives of people.
McCarthy’s campaign to crush the reputations, careers, and (yes) the lives of people began with this famous telegram that he sent to President Harry Truman in 1950.
You remember Truman, don’t you? The guy who dropped The Bomb on Japan? The guy who stood up to the Reds in Korea?
It’s believed that Truman never sent this telegram in response, in which he told (or wanted to tell) McCarthy he “was not fit to serve in the U.S. government”, and adding that “the people of Wisconsin must be very sorry to be represented in the Senate by such a person”.
McCarthy went on to tar and feather countless others. Oh no, he didn’t directly ruin them. He simply presided over and encouraged “blacklists” that branded people suspected of even saying the word “communist”.
McCarthy’s exuberant campaign to crucify anyone who even knew someone who might be a Commie started to fall apart during this exchange between him and Special Counsel for the Army Joseph N. Welch.
Do you really think, as Ms. Coulter does, that McCarthy was at best, a patriot, or at worst, a harmless crank?
“You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”
You probably know all about this already, RW. The links are for open minded people who either don’t know, or feel the need for a refresher course.
For further information, go see “Good Night, and Good Luck”, George Clooney’s entertaining movie about Edward R. Murrow’s expose of McCarthy. I won’t bother posting a link. Now playing at a theater near you.
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this
Ira,
When sources are possible to ascertain they should cited.
Any unnamed jerks that are offended by the triviality of Ira’s discussion I apologize.
By Andy
December 23, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this
Nice job picking out a non partisan, there, wench:
Unseating old-time liberal ‘actor-vists’ such as Warren Beatty, Tim Robbins and director Rob Reiner, George Clooney has now emerged as the leading political voice (kook) in Hollywood, winning plaudits from liberals and stinging attacks from conservatives.
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 11:41 AM | Link to this
finch,
I’ll repost:
finch,
One of these days in a post all by itself, would you mind listing the actual people whose lives were destroyed by Joseph McCarthy?
Take your time, I understand you don’t get to post often.
As most people could see this a simple request for names, it implies neither that they exist nor that they don’t.
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this
Getalife: Just the enthusiasm that I enjoyed in anticipation of your message made it well worth my time.
By getalife
December 23, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this
OO, My position is clear. Take this and turn it into this
By Jay
December 23, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this
Ira, are you basing your opinion of illegal activity on any kind of fact or just your hate of Bush?
“I believe a crime was commited and do not think ML or the AJC or FOX News should do anything but discuss, report, investigate this until all the facts are brought to light and the full extent of this illegal activity is known to one and all.”
By Ira
December 23, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this
RW,
Here’s a list for you (though I’m sure finch is working on one too):
The “Hollywood Ten”: Alvah Bessie, screenwriter Herbert Biberman, screenwriter, director Lester Cole, screenwriter Edward Dmytryk, director Ring Lardner, Jr, journalist, screenwriter John Howard Lawson, writer Albert Maltz, author, screenwriter Samuel Ornitz , screenwriter Adrian Scott, screenwriter, film producer Dalton Trumbo, screenwriter, novelist
Blacklisted artists: Allen Adler, screenwriter Larry Adler, actor, musician Edgar Barrier, actor Orson Bean, actor Barbara Bel Geddes, actress Herschel Bernardi, actor Walter Bernstein, screenwriter John Berry, actor, screenwriter, director Marc Blitzstein, composer Allen Boretz, songwriter Phoebe Brand, actress Bertolt Brecht, screenwriter Lloyd Bridges, actor J. Edward Bromberg, actor Sidney Buchman, screenwriter Hugo Butler, screenwriter Morris Carnovsky, actor Jerome Chodorov, writer Aaron Copland, composer Jeff Corey, actor John Cromwell director Jules Dassin, director Roger De Koven, actor Paul Draper, actor, dancer Hanns Eisler, composer Cy Endfield, screenwriter, director John Henry Faulk, radio personality Jerry Fielding, composer Carl Foreman, producer, screenwriter John Garfield, actor Betty Garrett, actress Will Geer, actor Jack Gilford, actor Bernard Gordon, screenwriter Lloyd Gough, actor Lee Grant, actress Dashiell Hammett, writer Sterling Hayden, actor Lillian Hellman, playwright Marsha Hunt, actress Sidney Kingsley, playwright Sam Jaffe, actor Paul Jarrico, producer, screenwriter Gordon Kahn, screenwriter Pert Kelton, actress Victor Kilian, actor Howard Koch, screenwriter, actor Alexander Knox, actor Arthur Laurents, writer Marc Lawrence, actor John Howard Lawson, writer Canada Lee, actor Robert Lees, screenwriter Louise Lewis, actress Philip Loeb, actor Joseph Losey, director Arnold Manoff, screenwriter Robert A. McGowan, screenwriter, director Arthur Miller, playwright Karen Morley, actress Zero Mostel, actor Jean Muir, actress Clifford Odets, writer Dorothy Parker, writer Larry Parks, actor Leo Penn, actor Abraham Polonsky, screenwriter, director John Randolph, actor Maurice Rapf, screenwriter Anne Revere, actress Rosaura Revueltas, actress Frederic I. Rinaldo, screenwriter Martin Ritt, actor, director Paul Robeson, actor, singer Brian Eubanks,lawyer Edward G. Robinson, actor Edwin Rolfe, poet Robert Rossen, screenwriter Jean Rouverol, actress, writer Waldo Salt, screenwriter Pete Seeger, folk singer Irwin Shaw, writer Joshua Shelley, actor Howard Da Silva, actor Gale Sondergaard, actress Lionel Stander, actor Frank Tarloff, screenwriter Dorothy Tree, actress Louis Untermeyer, poet Orson Welles, actor, writer, director Michael Wilson, screenwriter Richard N. Wright, writer Nedrick Young, actor, screenwriter
Wikipedia
How’s that RW? Would you like to see more or will you now acknowledge finch’s point?
By Ira
December 23, 2005 11:58 AM | Link to this
Jay,
My like or dislike of the President is irrelevant as far as whether a crime was commited or not.
It is clear that what the President did was illeagal to many that are smarter than you or I. I agree with them and apparently you agree with those equally intellegent folks that believe otherwise.
Is your position based solely on you blind trust and support for the President? I think not. I’d be willing to bet that you’ve listened to the same arguments I have and have just come to a different conclusion.
Ain’t America great?
By candide
December 23, 2005 12:04 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry to tell you self-righteous rightwingers this but it is true: YES, IT IS SUFFICIENT TO HATE BUSH. THIS HATRED IS HOLY AND FULLY JUSTIFIED AND BUSH SHOULD BE SENT PACKING BY ANY MEANS, EVEN LEGAL ONES.
By Ira
December 23, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this
Ira, I did not state a position as to whether the taps were legal or not. At this point, I believe it is impossible to draw a fair conclusion either way, other than to use it as a propaganda tool against the president.
By Jay
December 23, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this
Sorry Ira, I accidentally put your name in Name instead of Comments:
Ira, I did not state a position as to whether the taps were legal or not. At this point, I believe it is impossible to draw a fair conclusion either way, other than to use it as a propaganda tool against the president.
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 12:08 PM | Link to this
Ira,
My question is names of people destroyed by Joseph McCarthy.
Once again you have chosen to jump in with a load of misinformation. The House Committee on Un-American Activities was not Joe McCarthy.
That wikipedia link comes directly from your wikipedia link, why don’t you just go edit the page so you don’t so foolish.
By Ira
December 23, 2005 12:08 PM | Link to this
Jay,
Is that you pretending to be me?
By Jay
December 23, 2005 12:10 PM | Link to this
No, see ^above^
By Ira
December 23, 2005 12:13 PM | Link to this
Jay,
Fair enough. I don’t think it’s impossible to draw conclusions now.
Hey, I’ve been wrong before so we’ll see in a month or two.
By Jay
December 23, 2005 12:14 PM | Link to this
Fair enough
By Andy
December 23, 2005 12:16 PM | Link to this
It appears as though the MoveOn staffers are off celebrating the Blessed Birth of Our Saviour, probably by protesting some Nativity Scene, thus leaving Ira alone on the blog to fend for him/her/itself. I should do as the pinkos would do under these circumstances; pile on. But the goodness and joy of the Season has touched my heart; hence I will leave Ira to be torn to shreds by RW, Jay and Objective. This will not be pretty; if you have a weak stomach please look away.
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 23, 2005 12:19 PM | Link to this
RW:
Here you go:
David Bohm, Physicist Charlie Chaplin, Actor Aaron Copland, Composer of modern tonal music Dashiell Hammett, Author Lillian Hellman, Playwright and left-wing activist Arthur Miller, Playwright and essayist Paul Robeson, Actor, athlete, singer, writer, political and civil rights activist, and winner of Stalin Peace Prize Waldo Salt, writer, government employee & CPUSA member. Paul Sweezy, economist and founder-editor of Monthly Review John Garfield, Actor Elia Kazan, film and theatre director and producer, Committee Witness John Hubley, animator
Wik again
By getalife
December 23, 2005 12:20 PM | Link to this
Somebody has one of these
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this
Andy,
I have appointments this afternoon, paving the way for the joyous season through the halls of commerce you know.
So check in and save someone if the jackals start to swarm in my absence.
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 12:22 PM | Link to this
Andy: No can do! Ira has cast me to the curb. “I am finished with you”. Not to worry though, I can readily accept rejection. However, you still owe me an apology for identifying me as a man earlier. Am I less worthy than Serena last night? I would like to think not.
By Andy
December 23, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this
Objective! I had no idea! It just goes to show you what can happen when you as-sume. Will you accept my gracious apology?
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this
Ira,
Maybe you should let “finch” handle his own argument, you’re sinking it faster than the Titanic.
McCarthyism took place during a period of intense suspicion in the United States primarily from 1950 to 1954, when the U.S. government was actively countering American Communist Party subversion, its leadership, and others suspected of being Communists or Communist sympathizers. During this period people from all walks of life became the subject of aggressive “witch-hunts,” often based on inconclusive or questionable evidence. It grew out of the Second Red Scare that began in the late 1940s and is named after the U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, a Republican of Wisconsin.
Your latest list is of:
Persons who were alleged to have been victims of McCarthyism
By Ira
December 23, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this
Andy,
You do know Jesus wasn’t really born in December, don’t you? Also, you know that his mother wasn’t really a virgin and that there is no empiracle proof that he ever existed, right?
By Dusty
December 23, 2005 12:28 PM | Link to this
Finch, please tell me that you are not enriching your history studies from a movie starring liberal hate-Bush George Clooney? That is like asking Luckovich to describe the good qualities of George W. Bush.
As to McCarthy, sounds like he started a true search to uncover Communist subversion and then went beserk. Sorta like Cindy Sheehan. She lost a son and then went beserk over notoriety. If Truman didn’t like McCarthy, I would be inclined to dislike him too. Truman had a good head on him and a character strong enough to do what was right. George W. Bush is much like him.
By Ira
December 23, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this
RW,
You asked for a list and I gave you a list.
You don’t like the list. Get over it.
You’re just like a child stomping your foot screaming, ‘No that’s not what I want, I want that one!’ over and over and over again…
Have fun washing those windsheilds!
By Objective Observer
December 23, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this
Andy: The tender side of “Andy”, truly a wonder to behold!!! Thanks.
Off to run errands!
Merry Christmas to you and yours!!!!!
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 12:35 PM | Link to this
Ira,
No, I’m afraid you’re describing yourself. I see you’re following your usual pattern of going to the name calling when things get tough.
It’s a shame to see someone so bitter during the Christmas season.
By Andy
December 23, 2005 12:36 PM | Link to this
Let’s get ready to rrrrruuuuuuummmmmbbbbbblllllleeeee!!!!
Ira: Let me as-sume that you mean “empirical” not “empiracle”- Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws. and, if in fact I am correct, allow me to answer your question by saying that no, I am not 2005 years old and cannot verify the Birth of The Blessed Saviour. That’s why we call it Faith.
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 23, 2005 12:45 PM | Link to this
RW,
Not bitter. Just resigned to the fact that you and yours are next to impossible to engage in reasonable discourse.
It seems to me that you’re po’ed at gettig busted over having a double standard when it comes to “posts” on this blog. Sorry I had to expose you but it needed doing.
Take a look back at the back and forth I had with DR R the other day. We disagreed, respectfully, and had a nice discussion. Take a look above at my give and take with Jay. No venom there.
Why do you think all of your discussions here devolve into your alternately trying to claim a moral high ground and snippy little barbs? Perhaps the common denominator is you? RW? the original? Hmmm? You?
You, Andy, and OO (the not-so-objective one) seem to be cut from the same cloth in that regard.
And so, like with OO, I am done with you too.
I reserve the right to enrage Andy for sport though.
Happy Kwanzaa!!
By Andy
December 23, 2005 12:47 PM | Link to this
Ira: No mas?
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 23, 2005 12:51 PM | Link to this
Andy,
I can prove that Nebuchadnezzar existed through archeological records and he pre-dates Jesus. If your saviour was such a big deal, why aren’t there any references to him in any documents written during his supposed lifetime?
Oh, that’s right, you probably don’t believe in archeology, do you.
By Andy
December 23, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this
Ummm, Ira: Shroud Of Turin?
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 23, 2005 01:02 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Shroud of Turin: created in the 14th Century.
Next?
By Howard Cosell
December 23, 2005 01:03 PM | Link to this
Down goes Ira-Down goes Ira
By Ira
December 23, 2005 01:04 PM | Link to this
Howard,
Welcome back! Give me regards to Elvis!
By Andy
December 23, 2005 01:12 PM | Link to this
Ira: Carbon dating was inconclusive, in other words the pinkos can’t deny it. Believe me, they would if they could and then dance on His Grave also.
Yes, let’s move on. You obviously believe in the Old Testament, as you cited Nebuchadnezzar. Let’s just see what the Old Testament prophesied about the Coming of Christ-
Psalm 2:7
I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: He said to me, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”.
Zechariah 9:9
“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold your King is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation, Humble, mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
Daniel 7:13, 14
I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And he came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
*That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language *
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.
Amen.
Merry Christmas!
By getalife
December 23, 2005 01:17 PM | Link to this
Down goes Frasier
By Ira
December 23, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Nope the Old Testament is mostly hogwash. A very good read though. I really liked all the blood, sex and violence!
Let’s say I accept that Jesus existed and discuss the Gospel of Thomas and the Q document and how they relate to the New Testament.
I ask because the teachings of Jesus regarding love of your fellow man and humility before God seem to be absent from your behavior here.
By Midori
December 23, 2005 01:26 PM | Link to this
The same day the congressional resolution passed….September 18, 2001, changed at the last minute by Daschle to keep them from attacking Americans in our own country…. . That same day, Tom Daschle was targeted as a victim of a domestic terrorist attack, an anthrax letter was dropped in a mailbox for him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/22/AR2005122202119.html?nav=rss_politics/administration
By Midori
December 23, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this
Letter sent to Daschle (postmarked Sept 18) tests positive for anthrax
*”Washington - A letter sent to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle tested positive for anthrax on Monday as the bioterrorism scare rattling the nation reached the halls of Congress.In Trenton, N.J.,
Postal Inspector Tony Esposito and FBI officials said the letter to Daschle was postmarked in Trenton on Sept. 18, the same date and postmark on a letter that infected an NBC employee in New York last week.”*
http://www.jsonline.com/news/attack/oct01/anthrax-congr…
By candide
December 23, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this
Neither the Old Testament nor the New Testament is anything but literature and propaganda. Old Testaments prophecies were transformed by Christian writers to pretend they had something to do with Jesus, which they did not. You cannot go to the Bible for predictions of what will occur, since the people inventing these predictions had purposes and intentions far different from our concerns.
The desire for a book which one can believe is understandable but there is no such book. God, if there is a God, which is highly unlikely, does not need to write a book or to dictate a book to others.
People who say they believe because of some biblical verse cannot tell you why that verse is more believable than something out of the Iliad, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Koran.
And their God or Jesus is just another version of the Blue Fairy.
By Andy
December 23, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this
Ira: Nowhere in Jesus’s Teachings did he ever say to those who chose to follow him, to accommodate or in anyway accept evil. If you disagree, I would enjoy hearing your logic.
Everything that the liberals stand for in this time has it’s roots in evil. There is nothing that they advocate that can be seen as good. Hence, my zeal in taking on said issues without regard for hurt feelings or upset pinkos. There is nothing that can detour me from my beliefs, it’s just the way it is.
Merry Christmas!
By Andy
December 23, 2005 01:41 PM | Link to this
For the pinko trinity, Midori, Candide and Ira: It should turn your heads that the Old Testament, which is believed by many different faiths, including Christianity, so accurately predicted the Coming of the Birth of the Saviour, the Word Made Flesh. These books were written, as best as we can tell, hundreds of years apart, and, most importantly, before the Birth of the Lord Jesus Christ. There are mulitudes of witnesses for both Testaments, the Calender was changed at the Birth of the Saviour and, at last count, 95% of Americans believe in God.
Don’t get left behind!
Merry Christmas!
By Andy
December 23, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this
Excuse me: I meant that the Old Testament was written before the Birth of the Lord. Apologies accepted.
Merry Christmas!
By Daniel
December 23, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this
What a bunch of claptrap from a dead-on phony! Shove your BS. We believe in God, but not you and that poack of thieves in Washington. You’re just a fat tub who sits in front of your computer all day.
By Jay
December 23, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this
Why is it that the libs are so Anti-Christian but so Tolerant-Muslim?
By Midori
December 23, 2005 01:59 PM | Link to this
Andy — my only regret is that I breathe the same air that you do.
Whatever substance that has infected your brain has found a happy, happy home, and seems to be breeding and growing like weeds.
It’s GOT to be something either in the air or water.
You know nothing about me and my faith.
I was brought up in the church. My sister and I were part of the choir. We even had our own gospel group. Additionally, my sister still serves as the church’s pianist/organist.
And yes, I do believe in God. I believe in him to the extent that I recognize his wisdom in putting people like you on this Earth. You serve a purpose, although I must admit I’m still trying to discern exactly what that purpose is.
You may want to actually follow some of the teachings of the bible that you so readily quote.
Happy Holidays.
By Midori
December 23, 2005 02:02 PM | Link to this
Why is it that the libs are so Anti-Christian but so Tolerant-Muslim?
Care to back that up? Provide examples? provide proof?
and don’t pull it out of your a* like you did with that statement.
bottom line is: I’m anti-idiot(s). Period.
By candide
December 23, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this
Islam is much more rational than Christianity. It involves few miracles, does not compromise with monotheism, and is largely ethical rather than salvationist. Of course it retains more than Judaism and Christianity its primitive semitic qualities and they do put off westerners.
By Andy
December 23, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this
Midori: I probably shouldn’t say this, but if you are a Christian then I am a Chinese woman.
Merry Christmas!
By Ricky
December 23, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this
What a surprise another bash on Bush. Its getting bad when you can predict what ml’s cartoons are going to be about. He has grown disappointingly predictable. Why not do a cartoon on Harry Reid saying that he had killed the Patriot Act. Oh wait ml probably doesn’t want that out in the public
By Midori
December 23, 2005 02:09 PM | Link to this
Midori: I probably shouldn’t say this, but if you are a Christian then I am a Chinese woman.
I hear they force you to have abortions over there.
Oh my!!
Does it hurt?
How do they allievate the pain?
by sticking a bamboo rod up your snatch?
By Ricky
December 23, 2005 02:11 PM | Link to this
midori, you go off the deep end again. You actually make some reasonable arguements sometimes but then you post something so ignorant and obscene as your last post.
By Midori
December 23, 2005 02:12 PM | Link to this
Andy has been on an absolute tear after I made a complete a* out of him the other day.
But then, I didn’t have to work very hard at it. He provided 99% of the labor.
Most people, when made a jack a* out of, sit down and shut up.
but not our Andy.
he comes back harder, meaner, nastier, with both barrells blasting.
I wonder if he’s related to Yosemite Sam.
By Midori
December 23, 2005 02:15 PM | Link to this
midori, you go off the deep end again. You actually make some reasonable arguements sometimes but then you post something so ignorant and obscene as your last post.
Ricky — the “ignorant” and “obscene” police.
I wish I had a dime every time you slapped those terms on me.
Yet nothing said to the “individual” I make these “ignorant” and “obscene” comments to.
Put a sock in it, jerk.
Oh, excuse me — I wasn’t obcene enough. don’t want to disappoint.
Put a f*** sock in it, a*****.
By Midori
December 23, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this
And Ricky — you think you can pry your lips off Bush’s p***?
By Andy
December 23, 2005 02:18 PM | Link to this
I can just imagine the hymns they sing in Midori’s “church.”
Put a f sock in it, a*.*
Merry Christmas!
By Cherish
December 23, 2005 02:27 PM | Link to this
Candide,
You’re in for a rude awakening, my friend. Please prove to me that there isn’t a God.
Merry Christmas everyone!
By mit
December 23, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this
cherish,
please provide proof there is a God.
no one can prove one way or the other. what you believe is what you believe and probably will never change.
my only qualms with religion is that is seems to be something you are born into. if your born in the US the chances of being christian are high, whereas if you are born in Iraq you are more than likely muslim. Same for most countries. A religion is usually geographically located. Not so much anymore but you need to be looking at the time and place it started and not today’s date of locations. That alone proves to me that a higher power doesn’t exist. And the fact humans have hooked a man’s brain to a computer. now when he thinks about moving his hand the cursor on his computer moves. now that’s cool.
By getalife
December 23, 2005 03:25 PM | Link to this
I died and came back and I did not see a bright light like most people see. I saw people who were in my life that passed away, looking down at me and laughing. I had a stroke and saw a lot of strange colors and shadows but no bright light.
By candide
December 23, 2005 03:48 PM | Link to this
Cherish: we godless bastards don’t have to prove there is no god. You have to prove there is one. Nothing in science demands a creator. All we need is that things develop through evolution. That is why you all hate evolution — it makes god unnecessary.
But on another tack: Even if there is a God, surely he is not so evil as to demand that his son be crucified for sinful man. Most of Christian theology is extremely sado-masochistic. Is this the God you want to worship?
God is our blue fairy, whom we need when we are blue. But when we are feeling ok. we don’t pay him much mind.
By buster hymen
December 23, 2005 03:50 PM | Link to this
Midori, what are you wearing today, Sweetie
By Daniel
December 23, 2005 03:50 PM | Link to this
FO as in FEE-FIE-FO-FUM? or as in PHONY? You’re just a windbag who sits in front of a screen all day and pretends. Americans are broke and dead in Iraq so you can play important, Delay can golf, Cunningham can ride his boat and “Five Deferments” can lie. Help, however, is on the way. To the tune of “Here comes Santa Claus” take it from the top, 1, 2, 3, “Here comes Abramoff, here comes Abramoff”
By whynot
December 23, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this
uh getalife your tripping
By Cherish
December 23, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this
Candide,
In no way was I hateful in my previous posts, neither did I call anyone names.
Are you aware that just recently a well-known atheist, who has throughout decades teaching that there is not a God, has actually now said that there is no other explanation. There has to be a God. Nothing else makes sense.
If we came from apes, then who made the apes?
Merry Christmas to all! :)
By getalife
December 23, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this
What a long strange trip it’s been. No, it was real.
By whynot
December 23, 2005 04:08 PM | Link to this
“Truckin out of new orleans” cool.
By finch
December 23, 2005 04:19 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon, RW. Jeez, I got so rattled by your reverence, shared by Ann Coulter for Joseph McCarthy, that I plumb forgot about listing the people whose careers, families and lives had been damaged or destroyed by ol’ drunken Joe’s wild rants and eager endorsement of other anti-commie witch hunters. So I got sidetracked into showing what an utter sleazeball he was.
I’d like to thank Ira for a solid, though not complete list of McCarthy’s victims.
Does that answer your question? You’re welcome.
Now, what’s all this bru-ha-ha about religion? It’s faith! There’s nothing wrong with faith, unless it’s warped by people with evil in their hearts and blood on their hands.
Merry Christmas to all!
And Randy, you won’t see Mike pen a cartoon about how Harry Reid killed the Patriot Act. Because he didn’t.
By Andy
December 23, 2005 04:50 PM | Link to this
Candide: The man that built the very first car took it out for a test drive, when it started raining. The man couldn’t see the road anymore because he forgot to install windshield wipers. From there, the car evolved into one that could be driven in the rain.
Now the liberal belief system has the history of the car starting when the windshield wipers were installed. The pinko who installed them sat around thinking how much better he was than everybody else since he came up with the windshield wiper idea. He came to consider himself a god and wrote a manifesto about himself and his windshield wipers. Many other libs read the manifesto and were mesmorized by the story of the windshield wiper. Taken by the wisdom of the windshield wiper pinko; they denounced god.
The Christians saw the windshield wiper manifesto and had to stifle gales of laughter because God taught them not to judge others. They also thanked the man who Created the automobile because they didn’t have to walk to Church anymore.
Any questions?
Merry Christmas!
By whynot
December 23, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this
Thank you Andy for showing me the light I NOW WORSHIP WINDSHEILD WIPERS HAIL THE RAIN DEFEATERS!!! oh and while im converting your calling people pinkos and then saying God told us not to judge? Well im gonna go ahead and judge and call you a bigot but what do i know I worshp windsheild wipers
By Andy
December 23, 2005 05:06 PM | Link to this
whynot: Since when did you become Candide?
Merry Christmas, you pinko!
By whynot
December 23, 2005 05:09 PM | Link to this
Happy Holidays
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 05:26 PM | Link to this
finch,
Again I’ll repost:
By RW-(the original)
December 22, 2005 11:48 PM | Link to this
finch,
One of these days in a post all by itself, would you mind listing the actual people whose lives were destroyed by Joseph McCarthy?
Take your time, I understand you don’t get to post often.
Your response:
Sigh. RW, it’s depressing that you don’t believe that Senator Joe McCarthy “actually destroyed� the lives of people.
My continuation:
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 11:41 AM | Link to this
finch,
I’ll repost:
finch,
One of these days in a post all by itself, would you mind listing the actual people whose lives were destroyed by Joseph McCarthy?
Take your time, I understand you don’t get to post often.
As most people could see this a simple request for names, it implies neither that they exist nor that they don’t.
To which you respond:
Good afternoon, RW. Jeez, I got so rattled by your reverence, shared by Ann Coulter for Joseph McCarthy,…
If you find reverence, to the point of being rattled, in my above questions would you please point that out in a separate post after you answer the initial question. That would be my question, not your redefinition of the question.
I do love this part:
I’d like to thank Ira for a solid, though not complete list of McCarthy’s victims.
Since neither of Ira’s lists contain anyone whose lives were destroyed by McCarthy then, unless the number is in fact zero, I would agree that would indicate an incomplete list.
So finch,
One of these days in a post all by itself, would you mind listing the actual people whose lives were destroyed by Joseph McCarthy?
By whynot
December 23, 2005 06:04 PM | Link to this
hey RW When the United States entered the Second Word War McCarthy resigned as a circuit judge and joined the Marines. After the war McCarthy ran against Robert La Follette to become Republican candidate for the senate. As one of his biographers has pointed out, his campaign posters pictured him in “full fighting gear, with an aviator’s cap, and belt upon belt of machine gun ammunition wrapped around his bulky torso.” He claimed he had completed thirty-two missions when in fact he had a desk job and only flew in training exercises. In his campaign, McCarthy attacked La Follette for not enlisting during the war. He had been forty-six when Pearl Harbor had been bombed, and was in fact too old to join the armed services. McCarthy also claimed that La Follette had made huge profits from his investments while he had been away fighting for his country. The suggestion that La Follette had been guilty of war profiteering (his investments had in fact been in a radio station), was deeply damaging and McCarthy won by 207,935 to 202,557. La Follette, deeply hurt by the false claims made against him, retired from politics, and later committed suicide.
On his first day in the Senate, McCarthy called a press conference where he proposed a solution to a coal-strike that was taking place at the time. McCarthy called for John L. Lewis and the striking miners to be drafted into the Army. If the men still refused to mine the coal, McCarthy suggested they should be court-martialed for insubordination and shot.
McCarthy’s first years in the Senate were unimpressive. People also started coming forward claiming that he had lied about his war record. Another problem for McCarthy was that he was being investigated for tax offences and for taking bribes from the Pepsi-Cola Company. In May, 1950, afraid that he would be defeated in the next election, McCarthy held a meeting with some of his closest advisers and asked for suggestions on how he could retain his seat. Edmund Walsh, a Roman Catholics priest, came up with the idea that he should begin a campaign against communist subversives working in the Democratic administration.
On 9th February, 1950, McCarthy made a speech in Salt Lake City where he attacked Dean Acheson, the Secretary of State, as “a pompous diplomat in striped pants”. He claimed that he had a list of 57 people in the State Department that were known to be members of the American Communist Party. McCarthy went on to argue that some of these people were passing secret information to the Soviet Union. He added: “The reason why we find ourselves in a position of impotency is not because the enemy has sent men to invade our shores, but rather because of the traitorous actions of those who have had all the benefits that the wealthiest nation on earth has had to offer - the finest homes, the finest college educations, and the finest jobs in Government we can give.”
On 20th February McCarthy made a six hour speech on the Senate floor about how the Democratic administration had been infiltrated by communist subversives.
McCarthy named four of these people, who had held left-wing views in their youth, but when Democrats accused McCarthy of smear tactics, he suggested they were part of this communist conspiracy. This claim was used against his critics who were up for re-election in 1950. Many of them lost and this made other Democrats reluctant to criticize McCarthy in case they became targets of his smear campaigns
Drew Pearson immediately launched an attack on Joe McCarthy. He pointed out that only three people on the list were State Department officials. When this list was first published four years ago, Gustavo Duran and Mary Jane Keeney had both resigned from the State Department in 1946. The third person, John Service, had been cleared after a prolonged and careful investigation. Pearson also pointed out that none of these people had been members of the American Communist Party.
By whynot
December 23, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this
Shall I go on RW some of the names are in their though I do not have a complete list
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 06:11 PM | Link to this
whynot,
You can paste in the history of the world if you’d like, but I think you are falling for “finch’s” trap of redefining the question.
By whynot
December 23, 2005 06:17 PM | Link to this
The secretary of stae who was accused by Mcarthy published a list check it out for yourself
By Dr R
December 23, 2005 06:33 PM | Link to this
The woman looks a little like Hillary, don’t you think?
By RW-(the original)
December 23, 2005 06:41 PM | Link to this
More warrantless surveillance for the moonbats to freak out about
The right to make nuclear weapons for your own personal use must not be infringed. Bring on the ACLU.
By TrueConservative
December 23, 2005 07:40 PM | Link to this
Well I would post my opinion but the thought police might crucify me for my own protection. Wait… isnt that the point of illegal survelance…
Merry Christmas blind followers… and everyone else- watch your back.
By Brian Curtis
December 24, 2005 06:23 PM | Link to this
Nothing like a supremely powerful police state with unquestioned authority to make those “smaller goverment” conservatives happy, all right!
After, all security’s MUCH more important than some piddling old freedom, isn’t it?