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By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 06:43 PM

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By getalife

December 20, 2005 06:54 PM | Link to this

Pat goes postal

By Whatablast

December 20, 2005 06:56 PM | Link to this

This may be the most perfect cartoon of the year, next to the emperor with no clothes.

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 07:24 PM | Link to this

Kinda goes without saying that blind faith and science don’t jive in gubment schools.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 07:26 PM | Link to this

This would be the same judiciary that said we could kill unborn babies as a matter of convenience, handed the government rights to take your property and give it to a business (Kelo) and that gave 18 year olds a pass to kill with no worry of the death penalty.

So you could say that today’s ruling is actually in favor of intelligent design.

Merry Christmas, pond scummers.

By getalife

December 20, 2005 07:30 PM | Link to this

Your my uncle?

By Mike's Mom

December 20, 2005 07:35 PM | Link to this

Another excellent, timely, and clever commentary on these perplexing times in which we are living! Onward through the fog!

Happy Holidays! Happy Hannukah! Joyous Kwanzaa! Merry Christmas! Happy Solstice! To One and All!

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 07:37 PM | Link to this

The Man, Brother I am with you on the Kelo vs. New London thing and the protecting 18 year olds from the consequences of their adult actions. Heck, I even heard Jerry Springer on Air America railing against that Kelo abomination. But, the abortion thing is something that I agreed with the Clintons on, legal but rare. It’s an individual liberty thing.

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 07:38 PM | Link to this

ml, could have a point. Early cartoonist003.jpg)

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 07:41 PM | Link to this

Spiro Agnew, Vice President, commenting on the media in 1969-

Later, he gave a speech calling the news media “nattering nabobs of negativism� and he also called them “an effete corps of impudent snobs.� He went on to say, “In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H Club—the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history.�

I wonder if Spiro would be surprised at how little has changed?

Merry Christmas, you accidental universe fairy tale believers.

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 07:42 PM | Link to this

When ml was still an early cartoonist links had not been perfected.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 07:47 PM | Link to this

Scooter: What the pinkos say and what the pinkos do are two totally different animals. This is like liberalism 101. Bill Clinton said “safe, legal and rare” to open the door for “doctors” to kill babies that were 8 months along. I think you and I are on the same page, if a woman is in danger from the pregnancy, yes. Otherwise, it’s murder.

Merry Christmas, you ex baboons.

By getalife

December 20, 2005 07:48 PM | Link to this

I should have said this

By buff

December 20, 2005 08:04 PM | Link to this

OK, a slap at the right, but, at least it is clever

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 08:07 PM | Link to this

A Mark Steyn Classic: A KWANZAA CAROL

Merry Christmas, you cart (evolution) before the horses (creation) a-sses.

By getalife

December 20, 2005 08:43 PM | Link to this

President Bush came out swinging on Snoopgate

By finch

December 20, 2005 08:50 PM | Link to this

Andy, I loved those Angnew quotes. Pretty good for a felon. Although those words were written by Bill Safire, a Republican, a nice guy, and a language maven!

Bill Clinton said abortions should be “safe, legal and rare”. Intact dilation and extraction abortions (falsely labelled “partial birth” by the pro-life crowd) are certainly that! D&L proceedures account for just 0.5% of all abortions, and nearly all of those are performed because the life or health of the woman is at risk.

Some anti-abortion activists suggest D&Ls are as common as liposuctions, and just as unnecessary. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nice cartoon, Mike! Last time I checked, no one had voted against it.

Merry Christmas.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:12 PM | Link to this

wench: Care to walk us through the “intact dilation and extraction” procedure step by step while I go research your wild statistics. The crowd will just be thrilled by your knowledge.

Merry Christmas, you non created beings.

By Objective Observer

December 20, 2005 09:13 PM | Link to this

Getalife: How about this for a simple solution…everyone lives off their paycheck, and nobody takes any money. Hey, now there is a novel idea.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:14 PM | Link to this

That didn’t take long- What wench says with pictures

Merry Christmas, you results of an accident.

By Objective Observer

December 20, 2005 09:19 PM | Link to this

Andy: You suppose it would be O.K. to teach it as “His Story”?

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this

wench: Best as I can tell, CDC won’t talk about it no more, 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions are 15% of the total per year, that’s 165,000 per year. So what are they doing with the other 14.5%, smothering them to death?

Merry Christmas!

By finch

December 20, 2005 09:22 PM | Link to this

Andy, a D&E is an ugly, painful experience, and is definitely NOT an outpatient proceedure. Unlike a first trimester D&C, it’s hard to argue that the result of such abortions is “just a clump of cells”. Personally, I’m for a ban on D&Ls, except in cases where the life or health of the woman is concerned.

And that’s my point.

Only an unbalanced woman, and an unbalanced surgeon would conspire to end a late term pregnancy like this as a matter of convenience.

But if a pregnant woman’s health or life is in jeopardy, it should be an option because she’s the priority.

It’s interesting that “pro-lifers” make such an issue of them when they are, indeed, rare.

By finch

December 20, 2005 09:24 PM | Link to this

Andy, D&Es are NOT performed in the 2nd trimester. You’ll have to do better.

Merry Christmas.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:27 PM | Link to this

wench: In 1973, the year before Roe V Wade, 380 women died of pregnancy complications. That leaves 164,620 murders that you can attribute to your “unbalanced” “surgeons.” Try again.

Merry Christmas!

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:29 PM | Link to this

While wench scrambles around for an answer allow me to share a post you may have missed from the “King George” thread-

By darin scherer

December 20, 2005 09:20 PM | Link to this

This is one of my top 5 political cartoons ever. This is the first time a cartoon had so moved me in my adult life.

It’s his first time!

Merry Christmas!

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:35 PM | Link to this

wench: See here for what a second trimester infant looks like. You want to share with us how they kill it if they aren’t doing a D&E? And tell me why the little “clump of cells” has feet and hands and a thumb that he’s sucking?

Merry Christmas!

By Objective Observer

December 20, 2005 09:37 PM | Link to this

R.W.: Whoa! That was not me!!!!!!!!

By finch

December 20, 2005 09:58 PM | Link to this

Andy, your stats on mortality from pregnancy complications are very misleading. I’m talking about 3rd trimester abortions performed because a pregnancy threatens the health or life of a woman.

That threat to health includes, but is not limited to the possibility of sterility, uterine damage, and permanent injury to the bladder and uterine tract.

I repeat, NO woman or MD in her or his right mind opts for a D&E for “convenience”. D&Es should be prohibited unless a woman’s health is at stake.

But look, we could stay here and beat eachother to death all night with our sparkling prose and infallable logic, and get nowhere, except we’d bore everyone else and waste valuable electrons. I respectfully disagree with you. You disagree with me. There.

Back to the topic. Admit it, Andy, Mike’s cartoon is pretty funny, no matter where you stand on the ID question!

Merry Christmas!

By rushncap

December 20, 2005 10:00 PM | Link to this

Awesome cartoon! Mike strikes again! w00t

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 10:08 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Where is it not you? Maybe I have missing posts.

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:27 PM | Link to this

Midori Wishes She Was Andy, that is the last time I will type that entire handle of yours. From now on you, or anybody wanting to be Andy, will be called the Dude.

The Dude, Unfortunately I don’t think we are on the same page), but you seem like a well informed individual and are probably a nice person. But, I think Clinton gave the opportunity for government to stay out of individuals lives. It comes down to what we believe a life is and when it starts.

But check this out, lets just agree that we agree on most of it and don’t give Mike’s unoriginal partisan pen another cartoon. Narrow minded Mike can only see the good in one side of the political spectrum.

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 10:29 PM | Link to this

Andy is the Dude?

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:37 PM | Link to this

RW, that is right and to call some one the dude is holding them in high regards. The dude wouldn’t use government to do anything harmful to another individual.

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 10:41 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Not only that The Dude has his own festivals

White Russians and bowling!

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:41 PM | Link to this

RW, I should say that I never saw the Dude work and he wasn’t living too bad. So, maybe he would, but I still like the Dude. My favorite is Walter, so maybe I should call any wannabe Andy, Walter?

By Erik

December 20, 2005 10:41 PM | Link to this

Hmmmm…some of the neo-commie comments here I believe, prove that evolution doesn’t always move in a forwards direction up the ladder of progress. Hell most, don’t even appear to be intelligently designed.

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:44 PM | Link to this

RW, I see Erik has come in taking on the issues one by one and I aint stayin up for his master race display of superiority.

By finch

December 20, 2005 10:48 PM | Link to this

What the hell!

DDUUUUUUDDDEEE!!!!!

Gawd, my 22 year old niece would love you!

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 10:50 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Walter was a good guy, maybe Donnie for the wannabes.

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:53 PM | Link to this

finch, that’s cool does she hang out in Little Five or East Atlanta. I am always looking for love in those areas. Maybe she will love me some day and I can call you daddy?

RW, that link is right on. I’m getting some of those, “Phone’s ringin Dude” bumper stickers. Maybe a “I can get you a toe” t-shirts will find its way into my stocking?

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 11:00 PM | Link to this

Donny: Phone’s ringing, Dude.

The Dude: Thank you, Donny.

Walter Sobchak: You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don’t wanna know about it, believe me.

The Dude: Yeah, but Walter…

Walter Sobchak: Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o’clock this afternoon… with nail polish.

By finch

December 20, 2005 11:05 PM | Link to this

Scooter, she’s a Buckhead girl. Just like her aunt, who was born and raised there.

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 20, 2005 11:29 PM | Link to this

Andy, Andy, Andy

still fantasizing about me, eh?

By Marion of Texas

December 20, 2005 11:54 PM | Link to this

To get back on topic, the court’s ruling is right (as in correct). Science should be taught in public schools, and religion should be taught in churches. I studied evolutionary theory in school, and I study the Bible when I attend church. (Mike’s cartoon has nothing to do with a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her body and her health.)

By Spike

December 21, 2005 01:17 AM | Link to this

Little Ricky. Why would I choose to waste ime and words on the likes of you? You are an intellectual insect. You must never forget that fact. But in the meantime, why not enroll in the First Grade somewhere - anywhere - and improve your pathetic spelling. Merry Christmas. Tho I’m not quite certain what Pig God it is that you tiny people pray to.

By Joseph

December 21, 2005 02:18 AM | Link to this

Too funny… and so easy. You’ve been holding on to that one waiting for the next time the creationists did something dumb (not that it’s a long wait these days). You’re great as always.

Saw the “Factor” last night I think they are worthy of more attention. It’s fun to watch - if you need to practice throwing things accurately at the television…

By candide

December 21, 2005 04:42 AM | Link to this

It’s been 80 years since the Scopes Trial and we are still debating whether the fairy tale of Genesis is to be taught in biology classes!

Americans have been made stupid by Christianity.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

December 21, 2005 06:31 AM | Link to this

Liberation is a never ending process that begins when one frees oneself from the misogynist rantings of middle eastern bronze age nomadic goat herders and their soothsaying jingoist mystics.

By BigDaddy

December 21, 2005 06:42 AM | Link to this

Proof positive that evolution has applied directly to The Scribbler.. Shame the work hasn’t improved, though.

By Cynic

December 21, 2005 06:51 AM | Link to this

Midori-you’re the best argument for mandatory abortion ever.

The desire to limit or end legal abortion has nothing whatsoever with the right and wrong of it, or murder or not-murder. It is just another example of the desire of the ruling class-that is, the white male, to control procreation. You support people who simply want to treat women as chattel. You want to go back to the back alley coat hanger or private hospitals only for the rich? Most decent Americans don’t.

A study that was conveniently buried in the back pages showed that in Bill Clinton’s administration abortion rates were lowered.

It’s been up since Bush assumed his throne.

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 07:08 AM | Link to this

Good toon, ML. Guess the Creationists will have to find another way to shove their delusions down the throats of my children. Seems like lying under oath is one of those ways if we are to believe the PA judges decision (said the Creationists lied during course of trial). Wanted to express a big THANK YOU to those Creationists for showing us your genuine lack of respect for the word “truth”. Guess lying under oath is ok with Jesus if it supports “God’s Work” though, right?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 07:37 AM | Link to this

Here’s some good reading on the Bush spy program: But the Journal notes that in a 2002 case dubbed: “In Re: Sealed Case,” the FISA appeals court decision cited a previous FISA case [U.S. v. Truong], where a federal court “held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information.” The court’s decision went on to say: “We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power.” What’s more, notes the Journal: “The two district court judges who have presided over the FISA court since 9/11 also knew about” the Bush surveillance program.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 07:49 AM | Link to this

Here’s my take on this issue as a conservative. Do I belive in God? Yes I do. Do I think creationism should be taught in science class? No I don’t. If you want to teach it in school, do it in a religion class. I think this is one of those common sense issues that people get bent so out of shape about. I am just wondering what some opponents of creationism think. Would you be okay with it being taught in a religion class if the school offered one as some high schools do?

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 07:54 AM | Link to this

CNN this morning reports that “PETA” and “Greenpeace” were among those under surveillance. Yep, those dirty pinko animal and whale lovers are a definite threat to national security. They’re rounding up all the dogs and cats for a mass attack on D.C. Run, Run, everyone a “terrorist” is taking a leak on the fire hydrant outside my home.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 07:59 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical, the FBI has said it was watching activists that had been linked to violent demonstrations before(like the WTO riots in Seattle a couple of years back). While I agree that it is probably a waste of time, its not as if they are watching them just for political reasons as the left is trying to protray it. Also, did you know Clinton used the same warrantless wire taps and searches that Bush has done?

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 08:00 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

Here’s a couple of other spy stories:

William Jefferson “Sherlock” Clinton”

J.E. “J. Edgar” Carter

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 08:14 AM | Link to this

Ricky: Know about Clinton and that is the problem with Bush. It seems all I hear anymore is that “but Clinton did it too” excuse. Is the President trying to emulate the former President (he was such a shining example afterall)? My great Aunt Gertrude on my Mother’s side, twice removed by… once went to the Chatanooga aquarium. Since the aquarium once posted a flyer from PETA, Aunt Gertie is now “linked to violent demonstrations” and fair game for surveillance, right? (me too as her nephew by the way). If you think that is far-fetched; the director of Greenpeace, also, found it incredulous that his completely non-poltical family members had been targeted as well as he. This kind of power is so corruptive that it should never be granted to any person, thing or entity.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 08:19 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical, heres my point about Clinton(who was an avg President at best, but a great politician). If he was doing this during peace time and it was okay, how the heck is it not okay during war time? I don’t see any of the lefties up in arms about Clinton doing it. Look man, I am not defending who or what the FBI watches. However there have been environmental groups and anti-globalization groups that have been caught committing arson and threatening people in recent years. Its not like this stuff doesn’t happen.

By Mike

December 21, 2005 08:21 AM | Link to this

Merry Christmas all!

The intelligent design thingie is taught in many schools. They’re called Sunday schools.

Now that I’ve slapped a few more people in the face, they don’t teach any math in Sunday school. Let’s fix that before we break science.

That intelligence design thingie is taught in another place under another name: philosophy — metaphysics.

Philosophy has several theories on the origin of life and the universe. How come no one wants to teach those in science class?

Did you hear the one about there are no clocks in the fossil record?

It’s a timeless record.

Okay, so that what the opening into the logical argument of intelligent design. Man can make clocks. There are no clocks in the fossil records. Clocks are easier to make than dinosaurs. Clocks should have come first.

It’s past time to get over this Bible in a teacup argument.

Happy Holidays

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 08:30 AM | Link to this

Ricky: Timothy McVie was a member of the subversive group “The US Army”- certainly we should wiretap all the military people then, right? PETA and Greenpeace are as ridiculous an expenditure of our national security resources. We have real enemies. I find it much more likely that, like Valerie Plame, some measure of this surveillance was done under political motivation and not national security interests. Anybody know if Clinton surveillance was linked to “Valerie Plame” type politically retributive activity?

By Objective Observer

December 21, 2005 08:30 AM | Link to this

In reference to the cartoon: It is a pretty accurate depiction of how the majority of we Christians feel on the issue. Unoffended and disinterested. ID is not a science and doesn’t need to be taught as such. “Theory” needs to be clearly defined as just that. I’m O.K., you’re O.K.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 08:32 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical, Timoty McVie was long out of the Army when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City. I told you earlier I think it is a waste to monitor non-influencial socialist groups like Greenpeace and PETA. I was just posting what the FBI had said about them. And I love how you just ignore the question about it being okay for Clinton to do this but not Bush by just deflecting the question. Oh wait that’s what Clitnon did his entire time in office.

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 08:41 AM | Link to this

Risky: sorry if answer didn’t register. Let’s try again: “This kind of power is so corruptive that it should never be granted to any person, thing or entity.” (including Slick Willy). FBI the same folks that “innocently” monitored rock stars, MLK, civil rights workers, and anti-war protesters before. They were so very truthful about their activities then, I guess they must be a “kinder, gentler,” more truthful FBI these days though.”

By Theorizing

December 21, 2005 08:43 AM | Link to this

One thing that needs to be discussed is the difference between a “theory” as is commonly used and a scientific theory, which is what evolution, gravity, relativity etc. are. We don’t add disclaimers when teaching gravity, do we? A scientific theory is not just a wild guess or some random guy’s hunch. A scientific theory is scientifically testable and has been tested repeatedly and found to work. Evolution is a scientific theory that has been repeatedly tested by the scientific community. ID is not a scientific theory. It is not scientifically testable. Even with religious references stripped out of it, it is basically something that should be taught in a philosophy class.

By Scooter

December 21, 2005 08:44 AM | Link to this

To the self proclaimed analytical liberals out there; how does string theory and its many layers of reality connected by worm and black holes fit into your scientifically based anti creation position? While I am agnostic, I am doubtful that the first “spark of life”, extremophiles and algae’s, was created by chance. Maybe Mike’s brilliant mind can come in and rationalize that one for us? I hope so.

The big bang didn’t simply come from intergalactic flatulence.

By finch

December 21, 2005 08:44 AM | Link to this

The Bush “Star Chamber” surveillance dustup continues! Bush administration supporters, led by the ever evenhanded Drudge, proclaim, “But Carter and Clinton did it tooooo!”

Leaving aside the fact that the “But Bobby did it tooooo!” argument got really old by about the 4th grade, it turns out that Jimmy and Bill DIDN’T do it.

Drudge conveniently left out one sentence in the Executive Orders signed by Clinton and Carter:

“(searches and intercepts can be ordered) if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section ( of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act).”

i. e. In order for the surveillance to commence, investigators must either ask the special FISA court for permission, or notify the applicable Congressional committees.

President Bush did neither. Bad, bad Bush!

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 08:49 AM | Link to this

Ricky: McVie out of Army only 3 years at time of OKC bombing and both known accomplices served with him.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 08:54 AM | Link to this

Snoopgate continues with a US District judge resigning in protest and this

By Cherish

December 21, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

ROFL @ today’s cartoon!

One of the best. I am a born-again christian, and republican, and I can take a joke.

The best cartoon of the year!

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 09:03 AM | Link to this

getalife,

That story is quite a reach. If that’s the best follow up Risen has his book, which will soon be in a New York Times bookstore near you, will be a bust.

Eavesdropping on communications between two people who are both inside the United States is prohibited under Mr. Bush’s order allowing some domestic surveillance.

But in at least one instance, someone using an international cellphone was thought to be outside the United States when in fact both people in the conversation were in the country. Officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the program remains classified, would not discuss the number of accidental intercepts, but the total is thought to represent a very small fraction of the total number of wiretaps that Mr. Bush has authorized without getting warrants. In all, officials say the program has been used to eavesdrop on as many as 500 people at any one time, with the total number of people reaching perhaps into the thousands in the last three years.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:05 AM | Link to this

Okay, how about Snoopgate before 9/11? Does it work?

By The Sad Truth

December 21, 2005 09:07 AM | Link to this

A truly inspired and extremely funny cartoon. Great work, Mike!!!

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:08 AM | Link to this

I like the name Snoopgate.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 09:15 AM | Link to this

getalife,

How about doorbustergate

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:21 AM | Link to this

I bet Clinton did some physical searches on his own.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 09:22 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You’re probably right. Did Aldrich Ames have daughters?

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:23 AM | Link to this

Unlike Clinton, Bush’s power went straight to the wrong head.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:32 AM | Link to this

Clinton library opening

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this

Thats a pretty funny cartoon getalife

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:37 AM | Link to this

Mike did a lot on Clinton. You can goggle images Luckovich Clinton to see them all.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 09:40 AM | Link to this

getalife, heres the difference I have seen with ml’s cartoons. With Clinton his cartoons were all in jest. With people on the conservative side of things, he makes personal attacks, like the cartoon showing Harriet Miers working at a fast food restaurant.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:45 AM | Link to this

Ricky, I must have missed that one but I did see the one with her calling Bush god. If the next president and power switches to the Dems, he will probably bash them pretty hard. He does lean left though.

By Eric

December 21, 2005 09:47 AM | Link to this

Another really good one Mike, timely, creative, clever, on target! To you quasi-conservatives, there is no such thing as an unborn baby. Babies don’t exist until they’re born. So no one has ever killed an “unborn baby” and no one has ever authorized the killing of an “unborn baby”. There are lots of unwanted babies out there and if you’re so freaking concerned about them you’ll be finding and providing loving homes for them, not prancing around and condemning those who happen to disagree with your hypocritical stance on the issue. And another thought, I noticed that this “left wing propaganda rag”, the AJC, has “Merry Christmas” on their banner. What could that possibly mean? Maybe the AJC is just a news paper that reports the news. Maybe it’s not all just a liberal rag after all. Maybe it’s time for you boneheads to wake up and smell the coffee.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 09:52 AM | Link to this

Eric, I don’t understand how you don’t think a baby in the womb is not a human being. But thats another arguement, not really related to the cartoon today. There are plenty of conservatives and faith based organizations that run foster homes and help children of all ages find better homes. What do you consider a quasi-conservative? Are you a quasi-liberal?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 09:58 AM | Link to this

Eric, all you have to do is look at the editorial board to see the AJC leans left. They have one editorial writer that is a conservative.

By candide

December 21, 2005 10:21 AM | Link to this

While creationists don’t believe they are descended from monkeys, they manage quite easily to show themselves to be as……es.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

candide, couldn’t go a day without insulting someone huh

By Jay

December 21, 2005 10:40 AM | Link to this

Notable Quotes 2005

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 10:46 AM | Link to this

some pretty good quotes there Jay

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:00 AM | Link to this

Jay,

Thanks! I love being referred to an biased web page!

Here’s some to balance you out.

Enjoy!!!

By gadem

December 21, 2005 11:01 AM | Link to this

I like this quote the best…

“I see her [Hillary Clinton] in — she’s very consistent [in] what she’s always believed. She’s very consistent [in] what she’s always believed. She’s always had strong religious faith. She’s been a strong Methodist. She does have conservative social values on many issues.” — U.S. News & World Report Editor at Large David Gergen, on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360, February 9.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:02 AM | Link to this

Hillary is anything but consistent.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

So Hillary and W have something in common then don’t they?

By Jay

December 21, 2005 11:05 AM | Link to this

Thanks Ira, that is funny also!

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this

Flippity Floppity Floo…

Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: “I don’t think you can win [the war on terror].” [President Bush, 8/30/04]

Bush says he will win the war on terror: “Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror].” [President Bush, 8/31/04]

Bush says medical records must remain private: “I believe that we must protect…the right of every American to have confidence that his or her personal medical records will remain private.” [President Bush, 4/12/01]

Bush says patients’ histories are not confidntial: The Justice Department…asserts that patients “no longer possess a reasonable expectation that their histories will remain completely confidential.” [BusinessWeek, 4/30/04]

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING “If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.” [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING “We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people.” [President Bush, 3/6/03]

BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE “Bush said he…favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question.” [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE “I am pro-life.” [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

By getalife

December 21, 2005 11:16 AM | Link to this

“Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.” — This is a classic. I think Hillary will have a good chance to be president. Thanks to Bush, I think the American people will want a change in leadership.

By The Dude

December 21, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

I’ll give it a shot but I like the Midori handle; seeing her get her rear end chewed for her anti abortion stance was too rich. Maybe she’ll stop using my name; I know it’s so alluring to her.

The reason why pinkos don’t believe in creationism is because it is too simple for them to understand. Liberals just can’t accept something as fact, they have to jack it off and morph it into something bizarre, like homosexuality or abortion. It’s not convincing enough to them unless it runs counter to basic human nature. If anyone honestly believes that babies were meant to be aborted, then there is little hope for mankind.

I, realist and Conservative, don’t look at the world and say silly things like “this was an accident.” What would cause someone to even come to that conclusion? Before someting can “evolve” it has to “exist.” Before something can “exist” it has to be “created.” It’s really that simple and that’s where we lose the pinkos. It’s not wierd enough for them.

Most people can’t guess correctly the proper usage of their reproductive organs, how are we supposed to figure out God’s Will? Our Blessed Creator has His Means and Methods, These are Things that humans may never come to understand. Closing our minds to the obvious sure isn’t gonna help.

Merry Christmas!

By RE

December 21, 2005 11:22 AM | Link to this

Hey Dude,

Who created God?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:24 AM | Link to this

Ira, there are few politicians that act on principle instead of political expediency. McCain and Lieberman are good examples of ones that do act on principle. The rest just say what they need to get reelected.

By finch

December 21, 2005 11:25 AM | Link to this

Gosh, I just hate being ignored by the “don’t confuse me with facts” crowd!

The executive orders signed by President Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton authorizing searches and surveillance under the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act specifically required the permission of either the special FISA federal court or of the relevant Congressional committees. To wit:

“The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order…if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.”

President Bush broke the law.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:30 AM | Link to this

finch, Clinton had no warrant when he searched Aldrige Aimes house.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

Dude aka Andy,

“I believe that this nation sits at a crossroads. One direction points to the higher road of the rule of law. Sometimes hard, sometimes unpleasant, this path relies on truth, justice and the rigorous application of the principle that no man is above the law.

Now, the other road is the path of least resistance. This is where we start making exceptions to our laws based on poll numbers and spin control. This is when we pitch the law completely overboard when the mood fits us, when we ignore the facts in order to cover up the truth.

Shall we follow the rule of law and do our constitutional duty no matter unpleasant, or shall we follow the path of least resistance, close our eyes to the potential lawbreaking, forgive and forget, move on and tear an unfixable hole in our legal system? No man is above the law, and no man is below the law. That’s the principle that we all hold very dear in this country.”

What say you on this? Agree?

By finch

December 21, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

getalife, was that really you making nice about Hillary?

Please!

Republicans are salivating at the mere thought of Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. She is sure to lose.

Please reconsider.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 11:32 AM | Link to this

Eric: See here for a real live picture of a baby that doesn’t “exist” or so you say. The rest of you pinkos that nodded your empty heads up and down at his post might want to have a look yourself. Not much different then something you would find in a cradle, is it?

You can take your high minded pinko lecture about morality and run it right up your… My two abortion opportunities are upstairs right now enjoying the precious life that God and I gave to them. I don’t need to hear your college protest moveon slogans about “providing loving homes for them.” By me rejecting the easy way of murder relieves me of having to listen to your lazy a-ss reasoning.

Merry Christmas!

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:33 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

Regardind Ames: He did however acquiesce to Congress and aggree to use the FISA process.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 11:34 AM | Link to this

RE: Most people can’t guess correctly the proper usage of their reproductive organs, how are we supposed to figure out God’s Will?

Does this help?

Merry Christmas!

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this

So did Clinton break the law Ira?

By finch

December 21, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this

Ricky, just because Clinton conducted a warrentless search of Aldrich Ames’ property doesn’t make Bush’s warrantless search of, what… hundreds? maybe thousands of Americans? right.

You’re an adult. The school playground argument “But Billy did it tooooo!” just doesn’t cut it.

Merry Christmas.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

finch, my point is that nobody is saying Clinton committed a crime doing this during peace time, but during war when Bush is only monitoring calls either to or from overseas connected to know terrorist, then that is a crime. I am just trying to point out the hyprocrisy.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

Yes, Clinton broke that law and should have been held accountable for it.

From the NYT: “Vice President Dick Cheney entered the debate over the legality of the program on Tuesday, casting the program as part of the administration’s efforts to assert broader presidential powers.”

We need to limit the power of Government’s ability to intrude upon our lives not help them to expand their reach.

By RE

December 21, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

no, it does not

who created God?

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

RE,

I’ll help sAndy out on this one.

Man created God.

There you go.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

Ira, we don’t even know if a law was actually broken or not yet. We will see. You have good lawyers arguing both sides of this. So we will see. And unless you are making or receiving calls from terrorists, you live is not being intruded upon by this.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

These are the people the pinkos don’t want us spying on-

Witness: Saddam Officials Ripped Off Prisoners’ Skin

Merry Christmas!

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

You are correct, we will see on this in early Spring I guess.

As to my life not being intruded upon by this, you are incorrect. Any time civil liberties are taken away from anyone, my life is intruded upon.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this

Ira, the tough part about his whole question is at what point does the President need to put the safety of the American citizens first? I know some say that any loss of civil liberties is too much, but that is an idealistic situation in my opinion.

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 11:51 AM | Link to this

*Midori-you’re the best argument for mandatory abortion ever.

The desire to limit or end legal abortion has nothing whatsoever with the right and wrong of it, or murder or not-murder. It is just another example of the desire of the ruling class-that is, the white male, to control procreation. You support people who simply want to treat women as chattel. You want to go back to the back alley coat hanger or private hospitals only for the rich? Most decent Americans don’t.

A study that was conveniently buried in the back pages showed that in Bill Clinton’s administration abortion rates were lowered.

It’s been up since Bush assumed his throne.*

Cynic — Andy has this strange, um, “thing” for me.

I couldn’t agree with you more.

By RE

December 21, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

The point is not about trading civil liberties for security. There was already a legal way to perform these searches, which would have provided the same results, only with a modicum of oversite. The administration decided to go around that and follow an illegal path when a legal one was open to them. I seems to me like an indefensible position.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

Midori, I love how you like to bring race into everything and make between the line racist comments. You arguement is the same scare tactic that Ted Kennedy and his buddies used to destroy what was considered the brightest legal mind in the country, Robert Bork. That arguement got old long ago.

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this

*By The Dude

December 21, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

I’ll give it a shot but I like the Midori handle; seeing her get her rear end chewed for her anti abortion stance was too rich. Maybe she’ll stop using my name; I know it’s so alluring to her.*

May I ask what you’re talking about? Do you even know?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

RE, Bill Clinton did the same thing. Nobody flipped out then. And that was during peace time.

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

So, Ricky, you have no problem with Bill Clinton conducting illegal searches / surveillance? Really?

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

*By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

Midori, I love how you like to bring race into everything and make between the line racist comments. You arguement is the same scare tactic that Ted Kennedy and his buddies used to destroy what was considered the brightest legal mind in the country, Robert Bork. That arguement got old long ago.*

May I inquire? Just what are you talking about? When did I bring up race? Where?

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Ah, Day 2 of Andy trying to get close to me.

Give it up, Hon.

I don’t suffer idiots.

Period.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:02 PM | Link to this

Midori, in the post where you said abortion was just white males attempts to control procreation. Its under the name Midori thinks Andys an Idiot. rushncap, if it was good enough for Bill in peace time, it is certainly good enough for Bush in war time.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 12:02 PM | Link to this

We will call this one lobbyistgate

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this

Midori, in the post where you said abortion was just white males attempts to control procreation. Its under the name Midori thinks Andys an Idiot. rushncap, if it was good enough for Bill in peace time, it is certainly good enough for Bush in war time.

I said nothing of the sort.

That was Andy’s post. For some reason, he has hijacked my name to use for his USERID.

He has been doing it since yesterday.

As long as he’s having fun, I figure, what the heck.

Tho I wonder who else he stalks via this method.