Mike Luckovich

By getalife

December 20, 2005 06:54 PM | Link to this

Pat goes postal

By Whatablast

December 20, 2005 06:56 PM | Link to this

This may be the most perfect cartoon of the year, next to the emperor with no clothes.

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 07:24 PM | Link to this

Kinda goes without saying that blind faith and science don’t jive in gubment schools.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 07:26 PM | Link to this

This would be the same judiciary that said we could kill unborn babies as a matter of convenience, handed the government rights to take your property and give it to a business (Kelo) and that gave 18 year olds a pass to kill with no worry of the death penalty.

So you could say that today’s ruling is actually in favor of intelligent design.

Merry Christmas, pond scummers.

By getalife

December 20, 2005 07:30 PM | Link to this

Your my uncle?

By Mike's Mom

December 20, 2005 07:35 PM | Link to this

Another excellent, timely, and clever commentary on these perplexing times in which we are living! Onward through the fog!

Happy Holidays! Happy Hannukah! Joyous Kwanzaa! Merry Christmas! Happy Solstice! To One and All!

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 07:37 PM | Link to this

The Man, Brother I am with you on the Kelo vs. New London thing and the protecting 18 year olds from the consequences of their adult actions. Heck, I even heard Jerry Springer on Air America railing against that Kelo abomination. But, the abortion thing is something that I agreed with the Clintons on, legal but rare. It’s an individual liberty thing.

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 07:38 PM | Link to this

ml, could have a point. Early cartoonist003.jpg)

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 07:41 PM | Link to this

Spiro Agnew, Vice President, commenting on the media in 1969-

Later, he gave a speech calling the news media “nattering nabobs of negativism� and he also called them “an effete corps of impudent snobs.� He went on to say, “In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H Club—the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history.�

I wonder if Spiro would be surprised at how little has changed?

Merry Christmas, you accidental universe fairy tale believers.

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 07:42 PM | Link to this

When ml was still an early cartoonist links had not been perfected.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 07:47 PM | Link to this

Scooter: What the pinkos say and what the pinkos do are two totally different animals. This is like liberalism 101. Bill Clinton said “safe, legal and rare” to open the door for “doctors” to kill babies that were 8 months along. I think you and I are on the same page, if a woman is in danger from the pregnancy, yes. Otherwise, it’s murder.

Merry Christmas, you ex baboons.

By getalife

December 20, 2005 07:48 PM | Link to this

I should have said this

By buff

December 20, 2005 08:04 PM | Link to this

OK, a slap at the right, but, at least it is clever

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 08:07 PM | Link to this

A Mark Steyn Classic: A KWANZAA CAROL

Merry Christmas, you cart (evolution) before the horses (creation) a-sses.

By getalife

December 20, 2005 08:43 PM | Link to this

President Bush came out swinging on Snoopgate

By finch

December 20, 2005 08:50 PM | Link to this

Andy, I loved those Angnew quotes. Pretty good for a felon. Although those words were written by Bill Safire, a Republican, a nice guy, and a language maven!

Bill Clinton said abortions should be “safe, legal and rare”. Intact dilation and extraction abortions (falsely labelled “partial birth” by the pro-life crowd) are certainly that! D&L proceedures account for just 0.5% of all abortions, and nearly all of those are performed because the life or health of the woman is at risk.

Some anti-abortion activists suggest D&Ls are as common as liposuctions, and just as unnecessary. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nice cartoon, Mike! Last time I checked, no one had voted against it.

Merry Christmas.

By getalife

December 20, 2005 09:06 PM | Link to this

Sen. Reid Calls US Congress ‘Most Corrupt in History’

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:12 PM | Link to this

wench: Care to walk us through the “intact dilation and extraction” procedure step by step while I go research your wild statistics. The crowd will just be thrilled by your knowledge.

Merry Christmas, you non created beings.

By Objective Observer

December 20, 2005 09:13 PM | Link to this

Getalife: How about this for a simple solution…everyone lives off their paycheck, and nobody takes any money. Hey, now there is a novel idea.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:14 PM | Link to this

That didn’t take long- What wench says with pictures

Merry Christmas, you results of an accident.

By Objective Observer

December 20, 2005 09:19 PM | Link to this

Andy: You suppose it would be O.K. to teach it as “His Story”?

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this

wench: Best as I can tell, CDC won’t talk about it no more, 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions are 15% of the total per year, that’s 165,000 per year. So what are they doing with the other 14.5%, smothering them to death?

Merry Christmas!

By finch

December 20, 2005 09:22 PM | Link to this

Andy, a D&E is an ugly, painful experience, and is definitely NOT an outpatient proceedure. Unlike a first trimester D&C, it’s hard to argue that the result of such abortions is “just a clump of cells”. Personally, I’m for a ban on D&Ls, except in cases where the life or health of the woman is concerned.

And that’s my point.

Only an unbalanced woman, and an unbalanced surgeon would conspire to end a late term pregnancy like this as a matter of convenience.

But if a pregnant woman’s health or life is in jeopardy, it should be an option because she’s the priority.

It’s interesting that “pro-lifers” make such an issue of them when they are, indeed, rare.

By finch

December 20, 2005 09:24 PM | Link to this

Andy, D&Es are NOT performed in the 2nd trimester. You’ll have to do better.

Merry Christmas.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:27 PM | Link to this

wench: In 1973, the year before Roe V Wade, 380 women died of pregnancy complications. That leaves 164,620 murders that you can attribute to your “unbalanced” “surgeons.” Try again.

Merry Christmas!

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:29 PM | Link to this

While wench scrambles around for an answer allow me to share a post you may have missed from the “King George” thread-

By darin scherer

December 20, 2005 09:20 PM | Link to this

This is one of my top 5 political cartoons ever. This is the first time a cartoon had so moved me in my adult life.

It’s his first time!

Merry Christmas!

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:35 PM | Link to this

wench: See here for what a second trimester infant looks like. You want to share with us how they kill it if they aren’t doing a D&E? And tell me why the little “clump of cells” has feet and hands and a thumb that he’s sucking?

Merry Christmas!

By Objective Observer

December 20, 2005 09:37 PM | Link to this

R.W.: Whoa! That was not me!!!!!!!!

By finch

December 20, 2005 09:58 PM | Link to this

Andy, your stats on mortality from pregnancy complications are very misleading. I’m talking about 3rd trimester abortions performed because a pregnancy threatens the health or life of a woman.

That threat to health includes, but is not limited to the possibility of sterility, uterine damage, and permanent injury to the bladder and uterine tract.

I repeat, NO woman or MD in her or his right mind opts for a D&E for “convenience”. D&Es should be prohibited unless a woman’s health is at stake.

But look, we could stay here and beat eachother to death all night with our sparkling prose and infallable logic, and get nowhere, except we’d bore everyone else and waste valuable electrons. I respectfully disagree with you. You disagree with me. There.

Back to the topic. Admit it, Andy, Mike’s cartoon is pretty funny, no matter where you stand on the ID question!

Merry Christmas!

By rushncap

December 20, 2005 10:00 PM | Link to this

Awesome cartoon! Mike strikes again! w00t

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 10:08 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Where is it not you? Maybe I have missing posts.

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:27 PM | Link to this

Midori Wishes She Was Andy, that is the last time I will type that entire handle of yours. From now on you, or anybody wanting to be Andy, will be called the Dude.

The Dude, Unfortunately I don’t think we are on the same page), but you seem like a well informed individual and are probably a nice person. But, I think Clinton gave the opportunity for government to stay out of individuals lives. It comes down to what we believe a life is and when it starts.

But check this out, lets just agree that we agree on most of it and don’t give Mike’s unoriginal partisan pen another cartoon. Narrow minded Mike can only see the good in one side of the political spectrum.

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 10:29 PM | Link to this

Andy is the Dude?

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:37 PM | Link to this

RW, that is right and to call some one the dude is holding them in high regards. The dude wouldn’t use government to do anything harmful to another individual.

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 10:41 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Not only that The Dude has his own festivals

White Russians and bowling!

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:41 PM | Link to this

RW, I should say that I never saw the Dude work and he wasn’t living too bad. So, maybe he would, but I still like the Dude. My favorite is Walter, so maybe I should call any wannabe Andy, Walter?

By Erik

December 20, 2005 10:41 PM | Link to this

Hmmmm…some of the neo-commie comments here I believe, prove that evolution doesn’t always move in a forwards direction up the ladder of progress. Hell most, don’t even appear to be intelligently designed.

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:44 PM | Link to this

RW, I see Erik has come in taking on the issues one by one and I aint stayin up for his master race display of superiority.

By finch

December 20, 2005 10:48 PM | Link to this

What the hell!

DDUUUUUUDDDEEE!!!!!

Gawd, my 22 year old niece would love you!

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 10:50 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Walter was a good guy, maybe Donnie for the wannabes.

By Scooter

December 20, 2005 10:53 PM | Link to this

finch, that’s cool does she hang out in Little Five or East Atlanta. I am always looking for love in those areas. Maybe she will love me some day and I can call you daddy?

RW, that link is right on. I’m getting some of those, “Phone’s ringin Dude” bumper stickers. Maybe a “I can get you a toe” t-shirts will find its way into my stocking?

By RW-(the original)

December 20, 2005 11:00 PM | Link to this

Donny: Phone’s ringing, Dude.

The Dude: Thank you, Donny.

Walter Sobchak: You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don’t wanna know about it, believe me.

The Dude: Yeah, but Walter…

Walter Sobchak: Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o’clock this afternoon… with nail polish.

By finch

December 20, 2005 11:05 PM | Link to this

Scooter, she’s a Buckhead girl. Just like her aunt, who was born and raised there.

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 20, 2005 11:29 PM | Link to this

Andy, Andy, Andy

still fantasizing about me, eh?

By Marion of Texas

December 20, 2005 11:54 PM | Link to this

To get back on topic, the court’s ruling is right (as in correct). Science should be taught in public schools, and religion should be taught in churches. I studied evolutionary theory in school, and I study the Bible when I attend church. (Mike’s cartoon has nothing to do with a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her body and her health.)

By Spike

December 21, 2005 01:17 AM | Link to this

Little Ricky. Why would I choose to waste ime and words on the likes of you? You are an intellectual insect. You must never forget that fact. But in the meantime, why not enroll in the First Grade somewhere - anywhere - and improve your pathetic spelling. Merry Christmas. Tho I’m not quite certain what Pig God it is that you tiny people pray to.

By Joseph

December 21, 2005 02:18 AM | Link to this

Too funny… and so easy. You’ve been holding on to that one waiting for the next time the creationists did something dumb (not that it’s a long wait these days). You’re great as always.

Saw the “Factor” last night I think they are worthy of more attention. It’s fun to watch - if you need to practice throwing things accurately at the television…

By candide

December 21, 2005 04:42 AM | Link to this

It’s been 80 years since the Scopes Trial and we are still debating whether the fairy tale of Genesis is to be taught in biology classes!

Americans have been made stupid by Christianity.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

December 21, 2005 06:31 AM | Link to this

Liberation is a never ending process that begins when one frees oneself from the misogynist rantings of middle eastern bronze age nomadic goat herders and their soothsaying jingoist mystics.

By BigDaddy

December 21, 2005 06:42 AM | Link to this

Proof positive that evolution has applied directly to The Scribbler.. Shame the work hasn’t improved, though.

By Cynic

December 21, 2005 06:51 AM | Link to this

Midori-you’re the best argument for mandatory abortion ever.

The desire to limit or end legal abortion has nothing whatsoever with the right and wrong of it, or murder or not-murder. It is just another example of the desire of the ruling class-that is, the white male, to control procreation. You support people who simply want to treat women as chattel. You want to go back to the back alley coat hanger or private hospitals only for the rich? Most decent Americans don’t.

A study that was conveniently buried in the back pages showed that in Bill Clinton’s administration abortion rates were lowered.

It’s been up since Bush assumed his throne.

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 07:08 AM | Link to this

Good toon, ML. Guess the Creationists will have to find another way to shove their delusions down the throats of my children. Seems like lying under oath is one of those ways if we are to believe the PA judges decision (said the Creationists lied during course of trial). Wanted to express a big THANK YOU to those Creationists for showing us your genuine lack of respect for the word “truth”. Guess lying under oath is ok with Jesus if it supports “God’s Work” though, right?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 07:37 AM | Link to this

Here’s some good reading on the Bush spy program: But the Journal notes that in a 2002 case dubbed: “In Re: Sealed Case,” the FISA appeals court decision cited a previous FISA case [U.S. v. Truong], where a federal court “held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information.” The court’s decision went on to say: “We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power.” What’s more, notes the Journal: “The two district court judges who have presided over the FISA court since 9/11 also knew about” the Bush surveillance program.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 07:49 AM | Link to this

Here’s my take on this issue as a conservative. Do I belive in God? Yes I do. Do I think creationism should be taught in science class? No I don’t. If you want to teach it in school, do it in a religion class. I think this is one of those common sense issues that people get bent so out of shape about. I am just wondering what some opponents of creationism think. Would you be okay with it being taught in a religion class if the school offered one as some high schools do?

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 07:54 AM | Link to this

CNN this morning reports that “PETA” and “Greenpeace” were among those under surveillance. Yep, those dirty pinko animal and whale lovers are a definite threat to national security. They’re rounding up all the dogs and cats for a mass attack on D.C. Run, Run, everyone a “terrorist” is taking a leak on the fire hydrant outside my home.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 07:59 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical, the FBI has said it was watching activists that had been linked to violent demonstrations before(like the WTO riots in Seattle a couple of years back). While I agree that it is probably a waste of time, its not as if they are watching them just for political reasons as the left is trying to protray it. Also, did you know Clinton used the same warrantless wire taps and searches that Bush has done?

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 08:00 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

Here’s a couple of other spy stories:

William Jefferson “Sherlock” Clinton”

J.E. “J. Edgar” Carter

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 08:14 AM | Link to this

Ricky: Know about Clinton and that is the problem with Bush. It seems all I hear anymore is that “but Clinton did it too” excuse. Is the President trying to emulate the former President (he was such a shining example afterall)? My great Aunt Gertrude on my Mother’s side, twice removed by… once went to the Chatanooga aquarium. Since the aquarium once posted a flyer from PETA, Aunt Gertie is now “linked to violent demonstrations” and fair game for surveillance, right? (me too as her nephew by the way). If you think that is far-fetched; the director of Greenpeace, also, found it incredulous that his completely non-poltical family members had been targeted as well as he. This kind of power is so corruptive that it should never be granted to any person, thing or entity.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 08:19 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical, heres my point about Clinton(who was an avg President at best, but a great politician). If he was doing this during peace time and it was okay, how the heck is it not okay during war time? I don’t see any of the lefties up in arms about Clinton doing it. Look man, I am not defending who or what the FBI watches. However there have been environmental groups and anti-globalization groups that have been caught committing arson and threatening people in recent years. Its not like this stuff doesn’t happen.

By Mike

December 21, 2005 08:21 AM | Link to this

Merry Christmas all!

The intelligent design thingie is taught in many schools. They’re called Sunday schools.

Now that I’ve slapped a few more people in the face, they don’t teach any math in Sunday school. Let’s fix that before we break science.

That intelligence design thingie is taught in another place under another name: philosophy — metaphysics.

Philosophy has several theories on the origin of life and the universe. How come no one wants to teach those in science class?

Did you hear the one about there are no clocks in the fossil record?

It’s a timeless record.

Okay, so that what the opening into the logical argument of intelligent design. Man can make clocks. There are no clocks in the fossil records. Clocks are easier to make than dinosaurs. Clocks should have come first.

It’s past time to get over this Bible in a teacup argument.

Happy Holidays

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 08:30 AM | Link to this

Ricky: Timothy McVie was a member of the subversive group “The US Army”- certainly we should wiretap all the military people then, right? PETA and Greenpeace are as ridiculous an expenditure of our national security resources. We have real enemies. I find it much more likely that, like Valerie Plame, some measure of this surveillance was done under political motivation and not national security interests. Anybody know if Clinton surveillance was linked to “Valerie Plame” type politically retributive activity?

By Objective Observer

December 21, 2005 08:30 AM | Link to this

In reference to the cartoon: It is a pretty accurate depiction of how the majority of we Christians feel on the issue. Unoffended and disinterested. ID is not a science and doesn’t need to be taught as such. “Theory” needs to be clearly defined as just that. I’m O.K., you’re O.K.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 08:32 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical, Timoty McVie was long out of the Army when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City. I told you earlier I think it is a waste to monitor non-influencial socialist groups like Greenpeace and PETA. I was just posting what the FBI had said about them. And I love how you just ignore the question about it being okay for Clinton to do this but not Bush by just deflecting the question. Oh wait that’s what Clitnon did his entire time in office.

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 08:41 AM | Link to this

Risky: sorry if answer didn’t register. Let’s try again: “This kind of power is so corruptive that it should never be granted to any person, thing or entity.” (including Slick Willy). FBI the same folks that “innocently” monitored rock stars, MLK, civil rights workers, and anti-war protesters before. They were so very truthful about their activities then, I guess they must be a “kinder, gentler,” more truthful FBI these days though.”

By Theorizing

December 21, 2005 08:43 AM | Link to this

One thing that needs to be discussed is the difference between a “theory” as is commonly used and a scientific theory, which is what evolution, gravity, relativity etc. are. We don’t add disclaimers when teaching gravity, do we? A scientific theory is not just a wild guess or some random guy’s hunch. A scientific theory is scientifically testable and has been tested repeatedly and found to work. Evolution is a scientific theory that has been repeatedly tested by the scientific community. ID is not a scientific theory. It is not scientifically testable. Even with religious references stripped out of it, it is basically something that should be taught in a philosophy class.

By Scooter

December 21, 2005 08:44 AM | Link to this

To the self proclaimed analytical liberals out there; how does string theory and its many layers of reality connected by worm and black holes fit into your scientifically based anti creation position? While I am agnostic, I am doubtful that the first “spark of life”, extremophiles and algae’s, was created by chance. Maybe Mike’s brilliant mind can come in and rationalize that one for us? I hope so.

The big bang didn’t simply come from intergalactic flatulence.

By finch

December 21, 2005 08:44 AM | Link to this

The Bush “Star Chamber” surveillance dustup continues! Bush administration supporters, led by the ever evenhanded Drudge, proclaim, “But Carter and Clinton did it tooooo!”

Leaving aside the fact that the “But Bobby did it tooooo!” argument got really old by about the 4th grade, it turns out that Jimmy and Bill DIDN’T do it.

Drudge conveniently left out one sentence in the Executive Orders signed by Clinton and Carter:

“(searches and intercepts can be ordered) if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section ( of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act).”

i. e. In order for the surveillance to commence, investigators must either ask the special FISA court for permission, or notify the applicable Congressional committees.

President Bush did neither. Bad, bad Bush!

By AntiRadical

December 21, 2005 08:49 AM | Link to this

Ricky: McVie out of Army only 3 years at time of OKC bombing and both known accomplices served with him.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 08:54 AM | Link to this

Snoopgate continues with a US District judge resigning in protest and this

By Cherish

December 21, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

ROFL @ today’s cartoon!

One of the best. I am a born-again christian, and republican, and I can take a joke.

The best cartoon of the year!

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 09:03 AM | Link to this

getalife,

That story is quite a reach. If that’s the best follow up Risen has his book, which will soon be in a New York Times bookstore near you, will be a bust.

Eavesdropping on communications between two people who are both inside the United States is prohibited under Mr. Bush’s order allowing some domestic surveillance.

But in at least one instance, someone using an international cellphone was thought to be outside the United States when in fact both people in the conversation were in the country. Officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the program remains classified, would not discuss the number of accidental intercepts, but the total is thought to represent a very small fraction of the total number of wiretaps that Mr. Bush has authorized without getting warrants. In all, officials say the program has been used to eavesdrop on as many as 500 people at any one time, with the total number of people reaching perhaps into the thousands in the last three years.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:05 AM | Link to this

Okay, how about Snoopgate before 9/11? Does it work?

By The Sad Truth

December 21, 2005 09:07 AM | Link to this

A truly inspired and extremely funny cartoon. Great work, Mike!!!

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:08 AM | Link to this

I like the name Snoopgate.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 09:15 AM | Link to this

getalife,

How about doorbustergate

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:21 AM | Link to this

I bet Clinton did some physical searches on his own.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 09:22 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You’re probably right. Did Aldrich Ames have daughters?

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:23 AM | Link to this

Unlike Clinton, Bush’s power went straight to the wrong head.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:32 AM | Link to this

Clinton library opening

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this

Thats a pretty funny cartoon getalife

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:37 AM | Link to this

Mike did a lot on Clinton. You can goggle images Luckovich Clinton to see them all.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 09:40 AM | Link to this

getalife, heres the difference I have seen with ml’s cartoons. With Clinton his cartoons were all in jest. With people on the conservative side of things, he makes personal attacks, like the cartoon showing Harriet Miers working at a fast food restaurant.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 09:45 AM | Link to this

Ricky, I must have missed that one but I did see the one with her calling Bush god. If the next president and power switches to the Dems, he will probably bash them pretty hard. He does lean left though.

By Eric

December 21, 2005 09:47 AM | Link to this

Another really good one Mike, timely, creative, clever, on target! To you quasi-conservatives, there is no such thing as an unborn baby. Babies don’t exist until they’re born. So no one has ever killed an “unborn baby” and no one has ever authorized the killing of an “unborn baby”. There are lots of unwanted babies out there and if you’re so freaking concerned about them you’ll be finding and providing loving homes for them, not prancing around and condemning those who happen to disagree with your hypocritical stance on the issue. And another thought, I noticed that this “left wing propaganda rag”, the AJC, has “Merry Christmas” on their banner. What could that possibly mean? Maybe the AJC is just a news paper that reports the news. Maybe it’s not all just a liberal rag after all. Maybe it’s time for you boneheads to wake up and smell the coffee.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 09:52 AM | Link to this

Eric, I don’t understand how you don’t think a baby in the womb is not a human being. But thats another arguement, not really related to the cartoon today. There are plenty of conservatives and faith based organizations that run foster homes and help children of all ages find better homes. What do you consider a quasi-conservative? Are you a quasi-liberal?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 09:58 AM | Link to this

Eric, all you have to do is look at the editorial board to see the AJC leans left. They have one editorial writer that is a conservative.

By candide

December 21, 2005 10:21 AM | Link to this

While creationists don’t believe they are descended from monkeys, they manage quite easily to show themselves to be as……es.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

candide, couldn’t go a day without insulting someone huh

By Jay

December 21, 2005 10:40 AM | Link to this

Notable Quotes 2005

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 10:46 AM | Link to this

some pretty good quotes there Jay

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:00 AM | Link to this

Jay,

Thanks! I love being referred to an biased web page!

Here’s some to balance you out.

Enjoy!!!

By gadem

December 21, 2005 11:01 AM | Link to this

I like this quote the best…

“I see her [Hillary Clinton] in — she’s very consistent [in] what she’s always believed. She’s very consistent [in] what she’s always believed. She’s always had strong religious faith. She’s been a strong Methodist. She does have conservative social values on many issues.” — U.S. News & World Report Editor at Large David Gergen, on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360, February 9.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:02 AM | Link to this

Hillary is anything but consistent.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

So Hillary and W have something in common then don’t they?

By Jay

December 21, 2005 11:05 AM | Link to this

Thanks Ira, that is funny also!

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this

Flippity Floppity Floo…

Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: “I don’t think you can win [the war on terror].” [President Bush, 8/30/04]

Bush says he will win the war on terror: “Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror].” [President Bush, 8/31/04]

Bush says medical records must remain private: “I believe that we must protect…the right of every American to have confidence that his or her personal medical records will remain private.” [President Bush, 4/12/01]

Bush says patients’ histories are not confidntial: The Justice Department…asserts that patients “no longer possess a reasonable expectation that their histories will remain completely confidential.” [BusinessWeek, 4/30/04]

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING “If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.” [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING “We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people.” [President Bush, 3/6/03]

BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE “Bush said he…favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question.” [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE “I am pro-life.” [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

By getalife

December 21, 2005 11:16 AM | Link to this

“Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.” — This is a classic. I think Hillary will have a good chance to be president. Thanks to Bush, I think the American people will want a change in leadership.

By The Dude

December 21, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

I’ll give it a shot but I like the Midori handle; seeing her get her rear end chewed for her anti abortion stance was too rich. Maybe she’ll stop using my name; I know it’s so alluring to her.

The reason why pinkos don’t believe in creationism is because it is too simple for them to understand. Liberals just can’t accept something as fact, they have to jack it off and morph it into something bizarre, like homosexuality or abortion. It’s not convincing enough to them unless it runs counter to basic human nature. If anyone honestly believes that babies were meant to be aborted, then there is little hope for mankind.

I, realist and Conservative, don’t look at the world and say silly things like “this was an accident.” What would cause someone to even come to that conclusion? Before someting can “evolve” it has to “exist.” Before something can “exist” it has to be “created.” It’s really that simple and that’s where we lose the pinkos. It’s not wierd enough for them.

Most people can’t guess correctly the proper usage of their reproductive organs, how are we supposed to figure out God’s Will? Our Blessed Creator has His Means and Methods, These are Things that humans may never come to understand. Closing our minds to the obvious sure isn’t gonna help.

Merry Christmas!

By RE

December 21, 2005 11:22 AM | Link to this

Hey Dude,

Who created God?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:24 AM | Link to this

Ira, there are few politicians that act on principle instead of political expediency. McCain and Lieberman are good examples of ones that do act on principle. The rest just say what they need to get reelected.

By finch

December 21, 2005 11:25 AM | Link to this

Gosh, I just hate being ignored by the “don’t confuse me with facts” crowd!

The executive orders signed by President Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton authorizing searches and surveillance under the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act specifically required the permission of either the special FISA federal court or of the relevant Congressional committees. To wit:

“The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order…if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.”

President Bush broke the law.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:30 AM | Link to this

finch, Clinton had no warrant when he searched Aldrige Aimes house.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

Dude aka Andy,

“I believe that this nation sits at a crossroads. One direction points to the higher road of the rule of law. Sometimes hard, sometimes unpleasant, this path relies on truth, justice and the rigorous application of the principle that no man is above the law.

Now, the other road is the path of least resistance. This is where we start making exceptions to our laws based on poll numbers and spin control. This is when we pitch the law completely overboard when the mood fits us, when we ignore the facts in order to cover up the truth.

Shall we follow the rule of law and do our constitutional duty no matter unpleasant, or shall we follow the path of least resistance, close our eyes to the potential lawbreaking, forgive and forget, move on and tear an unfixable hole in our legal system? No man is above the law, and no man is below the law. That’s the principle that we all hold very dear in this country.”

What say you on this? Agree?

By finch

December 21, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

getalife, was that really you making nice about Hillary?

Please!

Republicans are salivating at the mere thought of Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. She is sure to lose.

Please reconsider.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 11:32 AM | Link to this

Eric: See here for a real live picture of a baby that doesn’t “exist” or so you say. The rest of you pinkos that nodded your empty heads up and down at his post might want to have a look yourself. Not much different then something you would find in a cradle, is it?

You can take your high minded pinko lecture about morality and run it right up your… My two abortion opportunities are upstairs right now enjoying the precious life that God and I gave to them. I don’t need to hear your college protest moveon slogans about “providing loving homes for them.” By me rejecting the easy way of murder relieves me of having to listen to your lazy a-ss reasoning.

Merry Christmas!

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:33 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

Regardind Ames: He did however acquiesce to Congress and aggree to use the FISA process.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 11:34 AM | Link to this

RE: Most people can’t guess correctly the proper usage of their reproductive organs, how are we supposed to figure out God’s Will?

Does this help?

Merry Christmas!

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this

So did Clinton break the law Ira?

By finch

December 21, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this

Ricky, just because Clinton conducted a warrentless search of Aldrich Ames’ property doesn’t make Bush’s warrantless search of, what… hundreds? maybe thousands of Americans? right.

You’re an adult. The school playground argument “But Billy did it tooooo!” just doesn’t cut it.

Merry Christmas.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

finch, my point is that nobody is saying Clinton committed a crime doing this during peace time, but during war when Bush is only monitoring calls either to or from overseas connected to know terrorist, then that is a crime. I am just trying to point out the hyprocrisy.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

Yes, Clinton broke that law and should have been held accountable for it.

From the NYT: “Vice President Dick Cheney entered the debate over the legality of the program on Tuesday, casting the program as part of the administration’s efforts to assert broader presidential powers.”

We need to limit the power of Government’s ability to intrude upon our lives not help them to expand their reach.

By RE

December 21, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

no, it does not

who created God?

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

RE,

I’ll help sAndy out on this one.

Man created God.

There you go.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

Ira, we don’t even know if a law was actually broken or not yet. We will see. You have good lawyers arguing both sides of this. So we will see. And unless you are making or receiving calls from terrorists, you live is not being intruded upon by this.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

These are the people the pinkos don’t want us spying on-

Witness: Saddam Officials Ripped Off Prisoners’ Skin

Merry Christmas!

By Ira

December 21, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

You are correct, we will see on this in early Spring I guess.

As to my life not being intruded upon by this, you are incorrect. Any time civil liberties are taken away from anyone, my life is intruded upon.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this

Ira, the tough part about his whole question is at what point does the President need to put the safety of the American citizens first? I know some say that any loss of civil liberties is too much, but that is an idealistic situation in my opinion.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 11:51 AM | Link to this

And here’s an example of the pinkos helping our enemies-

Worst of all, al Qaeda’s senior leadership had stopped using a particular means of communication almost immediately after a leak to The Washington Times. This made it much more difficult for the National Security Agency to intercept his conversations.” That is the only story cited by the September 11 commission on the issue of bin Laden’s satellite phone.

The 9/11 commission got it wrong, as usual, it was the NY Times that leaked Bin Laden’s surveillance.

Merry Christmas!

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 11:51 AM | Link to this

*Midori-you’re the best argument for mandatory abortion ever.

The desire to limit or end legal abortion has nothing whatsoever with the right and wrong of it, or murder or not-murder. It is just another example of the desire of the ruling class-that is, the white male, to control procreation. You support people who simply want to treat women as chattel. You want to go back to the back alley coat hanger or private hospitals only for the rich? Most decent Americans don’t.

A study that was conveniently buried in the back pages showed that in Bill Clinton’s administration abortion rates were lowered.

It’s been up since Bush assumed his throne.*

Cynic — Andy has this strange, um, “thing” for me.

I couldn’t agree with you more.

By RE

December 21, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this

Ricky,

The point is not about trading civil liberties for security. There was already a legal way to perform these searches, which would have provided the same results, only with a modicum of oversite. The administration decided to go around that and follow an illegal path when a legal one was open to them. I seems to me like an indefensible position.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

Midori, I love how you like to bring race into everything and make between the line racist comments. You arguement is the same scare tactic that Ted Kennedy and his buddies used to destroy what was considered the brightest legal mind in the country, Robert Bork. That arguement got old long ago.

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this

*By The Dude

December 21, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

I’ll give it a shot but I like the Midori handle; seeing her get her rear end chewed for her anti abortion stance was too rich. Maybe she’ll stop using my name; I know it’s so alluring to her.*

May I ask what you’re talking about? Do you even know?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

RE, Bill Clinton did the same thing. Nobody flipped out then. And that was during peace time.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 11:57 AM | Link to this

Oh, look, the “cultists” at the Washington Times have got John Kerry nailed-

Married to a woman who flies him and herself around the country in her private, energy-guzzling Gulfstream II jet visiting their five mansions heated and cooled with increasingly scarce, ever-more-expensive energy resources, Mr. Kerry and his family surely consume far more BTUs than 99.99 percent of America’s households he sought to represent as president last year. Nevertheless, there he was, holding a press conference Monday pledging to defeat the defense spending bill because it included the ANWR provision.

Merry Christmas!

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

So, Ricky, you have no problem with Bill Clinton conducting illegal searches / surveillance? Really?

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

*By Ricky

December 21, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

Midori, I love how you like to bring race into everything and make between the line racist comments. You arguement is the same scare tactic that Ted Kennedy and his buddies used to destroy what was considered the brightest legal mind in the country, Robert Bork. That arguement got old long ago.*

May I inquire? Just what are you talking about? When did I bring up race? Where?

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Ah, Day 2 of Andy trying to get close to me.

Give it up, Hon.

I don’t suffer idiots.

Period.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:02 PM | Link to this

Midori, in the post where you said abortion was just white males attempts to control procreation. Its under the name Midori thinks Andys an Idiot. rushncap, if it was good enough for Bill in peace time, it is certainly good enough for Bush in war time.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 12:02 PM | Link to this

We will call this one lobbyistgate

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this

Midori, in the post where you said abortion was just white males attempts to control procreation. Its under the name Midori thinks Andys an Idiot. rushncap, if it was good enough for Bill in peace time, it is certainly good enough for Bush in war time.

I said nothing of the sort.

That was Andy’s post. For some reason, he has hijacked my name to use for his USERID.

He has been doing it since yesterday.

As long as he’s having fun, I figure, what the heck.

Tho I wonder who else he stalks via this method.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

So you’re willing to give up your 4th Amendment rights for a little security.

How would you feel if you had to give up your 2nd Amendment rights - guns, or your 3rd Amendment rights - forced to house soldiers, or your 5th through 10th Amendment rights?

Where do you draw the line?

By Midori Thinks Andy is an Idiot

December 21, 2005 12:08 PM | Link to this

P.S. — I really do think Andy is an idiot.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 12:08 PM | Link to this

This just in, Saddam was totured

By RE

December 21, 2005 12:10 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

Faulty logic, because CLinton did something illegal, it does not make it ok when bush does it:

Two Wrongs Make a Right Type: Red Herring Quote-Unquote: “Consider that two wrongs never make a right, But that three [lefts] do.” Source: “Deteriorata”, National Lampoon Radio Dinner Album Example: “The operation cost just under $500, and no one was killed, or even hurt. In that same time the Pentagon spent tens of millions of dollars and dropped tens of thousands of pounds of explosives on Viet Nam, killing or wounding thousands of human beings, causing hundreds of millions of dollars of damage. Because nothing justified their actions in our calculus, nothing could contradict the merit of ours.”

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 12:13 PM | Link to this

For a brief history of what Midori is ranting about, yesterday she got caught bald faced posting something using my nickname. The paragraphs were structured exactly the way she does it and it was a book length long deal which is a dead give away. Plus she threw a fit when I called her on it, which any day care provider knows is a undeniable sign of guilt. Hence, Midori wishes she was…

Merry Christmas!

By Jay

December 21, 2005 12:14 PM | Link to this

If you’re dealing with someone with known terrorist ties, some of their rights may be infringed upon if it is a matter of national security.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:16 PM | Link to this

RE, the point is we don’t know if it was illegal. Do you want to go back and punish Clinton too? By your logic you would have too.

By RE

December 21, 2005 12:18 PM | Link to this

Yes I would. I have this crazy belief that if a crime is commited you should stand trial for it no matter what your political affiliation or rank is. Call me crazy, I believe in the rule of law

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:19 PM | Link to this

Ira, I am not willing to give up anybody’s 4th amendment rights. What I am willing to give up is letting the NSA monitor calls to know terrorist if it is going to prevent another terrorist attack that kills 3000 of my fellow Americans. To me that seems like common sense, but that is just my opinion. I agree that this is a difficult situation that you can make very well reasoned arguments both for and against.

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:19 PM | Link to this

For a brief history of what Midori is ranting about, yesterday she got caught bald faced posting something using my nickname. The paragraphs were structured exactly the way she does it and it was a book length long deal which is a dead give away. Plus she threw a fit when I called her on it, which any day care provider knows is a undeniable sign of guilt. Hence, Midori wishes she was…

Andy — you’re a bald faced liar. I never, ever ONCE posted anything under your name.

Perhaps you are just acting out a fantasy, and wish I did.

You need to get your facts straight before attacking and accusing people.

I was wondering why you chose to focus on me. Now I know. Over something you IMAGINED.

You’re not worth it Buddy.

I’m now going to go back to my USERID, and contact the site administrators asking them to do something about you using my name.

Playtime is over.

Next time get your facts straight.

Now wonder you’re a Bush supporter — act first; get the facts/verification later.

Son — fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life — Dean Woermer.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

midori, people on both sides have been using others screen names. It has happened to me. It is childish and stupid. To make a comment that no wonder he is a Bush supporter is dumb, becuase Bush critics on here have used others screen names too.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

Everyone knows Midori is a liar. She wants me in the worst way and can only hope to see me naked some day. Well Midori, today’s your lucky day, come by my house tonight, the wife’s got weight watchers tonight, and we can “get down” and perhaps you’ll learn that God’s righteous staff and what’s in my pants are one and the same.

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 21, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

This just in, Bush has seen a ghost

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

Yes, I said he’s dumb like his hero “Bush”. Only a moron would invade an unarmed country because of something someone “thought” he had, said, did or imagined.

I refuse to back down. I refuse to take it back.

Calling me childish and stupid doesn’t take anything away from that fact.

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:28 PM | Link to this

P.S. Ricky — as someone else commented to you, 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

Deal with that.

I’ve corrected my screen name. I refuse to play his sick game(s) anymore.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this

I’ll leave to the court of blog opinion, it wasn’t me, who gave this to us?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 20, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

All:

From our glorious leader George W. Bush:

“It’s a myth to think I don’t know what’s going on. It’s a myth to think that I’m not aware that there’s opinions that don’t agree with mine, because I’m fully aware of that.� —George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Pa., Dec. 12, 2005

“I mean, there was a serious international effort to say to Saddam Hussein, you’re a threat. And the 9/11 attacks extenuated that threat, as far as I-concerned.� —George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Dec. 12, 2005 “I think we are welcomed. But it was not a peaceful welcome.� —George W. Bush, defending Vice President Dick Cheney’s pre-war assertion that the United States would be welcomed in Iraq as liberators, NBC Nightly News interview, Dec. 12, 2005 “As a matter of fact, I know relations between our governments is good.� —George W. Bush, on U.S.-South Korean relations, Washington D.C., Nov. 8, 2005 “Wow! Brazil is big.� —George W. Bush, after being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brasilia, Brazil, Nov. 6, 2005 “Bin Laden says his own role is to tell Muslims, quote, ‘what is good for them and what is not.’� —George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Oct. 6, 2005 “The best place for the facts to be done is by somebody who’s spending time investigating it.� —George W. Bush, on the probe into how CIA agent Valerie Plame’s identity was leaked, Washington D.C., July 18, 2005 “I was going to say he’s a piece of work, but that might not translate too well. Is that all right, if I call you a ‘piece of work’?� —George W. Bush to Jean-Claude Juncker, prime minister of Luxembourg, Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005

“The relations with, uhh — Europe are important relations, and they’ve, uhh — because, we do share values. And, they’re universal values, they’re not American values or, you know — European values, they’re universal values. And those values — uhh — being universal, ought to be applied everywhere.� —George W. Bush, at a press conference with European Union dignitaries, Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005

“You see, not only did the attacks help accelerate a recession, the attacks reminded us that we are at war.� —George W. Bush, on the Sept. 11 attacks, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005

“And the second way to defeat the terrorists is to spread freedom. You see, the best way to defeat a society that is — doesn’t have hope, a society where people become so angry they’re willing to become suiciders, is to spread freedom, is to spread democracy.� —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005

“It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of — and the allegations — by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble — that means not tell the truth.� —George W. Bush, on an Amnesty International report on prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2005

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.� —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas!

By Jay

December 21, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

Midori, take a time out. Just sit in the corner for 5 min. until you catch your breath.

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

Andy, Andy, Andy — is it hard to type with one hand? Can’t you take your finger out of your nose long enough in order to use both hands?

I bet you call your sister, “Mom” too…….

And is “Grandpa” also “Dad”?

By Ira

December 21, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

You are most assuradly giving up your 4th Amendment rights if you are willing to allow the government to perform wiretaps and searches without a warrant.

I agree that we need to spy on the bad guys. We need to find out what they’re up to, find out who their friends are, find out where their money’s coming from and then kill them and take their money.

What I don’t agree with is the govenment have unfettered power.

Obey the law. It’s really not that hard.

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

Midori, Iraq was not unarmed. They had a large military that was willing to fight. Granted we didn’t find any WMD’s but that doesn’t mean they were unarmed.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 12:32 PM | Link to this

Let me make something perfectly clear, who ever is doing it is a pinko, there is no doubt about that, they only target Conservatives. So it makes it your problem, not mine, you losers should be so proud of your fellow member, aren’t pinkos devious little jerk offs?

Merry Christmas!

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

Ira, you are automatically assuming that this broke the law. We don’t know that yet. If it did, then it should stop. Our government doesn’t have unfettered power. That is one of the alarmist claims being made since this report became public

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this

Andy — I most defininately did not post that garbage.

I’ve alerted the site administrators.

As an email address must be used to post here, surely they can track the IP address to the real culprit.

BTW — you also have the option of asking them to do that as well. On the home page, there is a link to “contact us about the site”.

That’s all you have to do.

I am eager to get to the bottom of this as well.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this

I like this one: Since you are new to this blog, let me recap the basics of it for you. Most people come here to see me and the many other conservatives not cartoon boy

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this

yeah, Ricky — whatever you say.

That Iraqi Navy and Air Force sure kicked butt, didn’t they?

And all that fertilizer they found near the Tigress. Wasn’t it clever of them to mislabel mustard gas as such, eh?

And those rusted and spent and leaking munitions heads? They did some REAL damage!!!

Those whacky Iraqis!!!!

By getalife

December 21, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this

This just in, Andy thinks he is a celebrity. Notice the big head and red shirt.

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 12:38 PM | Link to this

Midori: What makes you so sure it isn’t the site administrator who’s doing it? Others have been down this road and asked for assistance with no help given.

I don’t know why it is so hard to act like adults. That would be the simplest solution.

Merry Christmas!

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:38 PM | Link to this

Midori, I agree with you one this one. There needs to be some sort of verification process before you post so people can’t post under others names.

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this

So Ricky, if they are “known terrorists”, it shouldn’t be too hard to obtain a warrant to wiretap their phones, should it? Kinda curious that when there is a rather straight-forward method of doing something legally, this administration (as usual) chooses to do it in its own way, and illegally. Do you EVER question anything this man does, or does thinking hurt too much?

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this

*Let me make something perfectly clear, who ever is doing it is a pinko, there is no doubt about that, they only target Conservatives. So it makes it your problem, not mine, you losers should be so proud of your fellow member, aren’t pinkos devious little jerk offs?

Merry Christmas!*

And Ricky called me stupid and childish.

Oy.

Veh.

Andy — why not go after the TRUE culprit?

By Bush Is An Idiot

December 21, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this

And a hypocrite and a liar and should be impeached. Anyone who voted for him is an idiot (or to be generous, misguided or misinformed). Bush’s Number One Priority after 9-11-01: Get Bin Laden! Over four years later, where is Bin Laden? The guy’s an idiot, a liar, a hypocrite, and should be impeached!

Merry Christmas!

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this

*Midori: What makes you so sure it isn’t the site administrator who’s doing it? Others have been down this road and asked for assistance with no help given.

I don’t know why it is so hard to act like adults. That would be the simplest solution.

Merry Christmas!*

Boy — that makes a lot of sense.

I should think the admin has more pressing, important tasks demanding their attention than engaging in goofy, mindless web vandalism.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 12:42 PM | Link to this

I seriously doubt Ricky is the “culprit.” As far as the comments go, you did call me fat, stupid and drunk not too long ago.

Merry Christmas!

By Midori

December 21, 2005 12:44 PM | Link to this

Reading is fundamental, Andy.

I never once said Ricky was the culprit.

And I can quote the dearly loved and departed Dean anytime I wish!!

I attributed it, didn’t I?

By Ricky

December 21, 2005 12:45 PM | Link to this

Midori, I didn’t call you stupid and childish. I said using other peoples names to post is stupid and childish. Hey if the shoe fits wear it.

rushncap, nice insult thrown in there. Couldn’t just make an arguement with insulting huh. I have questioned many things Bush has done right here on these blogs. His spending is way out of control, he made some big mistakes in the immedaite aftermath of the war and he was slow on Katrina. However, I do believe he is doing what he thinks will make this country safest. Do you EVER acknowledge the President has done well?

By Jay

December 21, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

rushncap, do you know the procedures and techniques used to track terrorists? If there is not enough time to get a warrant and there is a viable threat, should they let the threat be carried out just because they can’t get a warrant in time?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

Ben Stein scores some points:

Is there any evidence at all of Americans’ rights being trampled upon by the application of the Patriot Act? Are we any less free? Are there detention camps anywhere? Are opponents of Bush afraid to express themselves? Has anyone had his library card confiscated? Where is all of the harm that Bush’s opponents claim? It is just plain invisible, a fantasy used to justify their own paranoia, isn’t it? It is sort of the same as the fear that Californians and Manhattanites have of eating food with “chemicals” or “additives” in it. Pure self-obsessional thinking about imaginary victimhood to justify their frightened and aggressive existence. I am not sure how much good the Patriot Act has done, but I sure don’t see any harm, and I don’t think anyone can really find it. If it’s there, where are the examples?

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

Commence to mourning pinkos:

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden may no longer be able to run the militant network and has not been heard from for nearly a year, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Wednesday.

Merry Christmas!

By Ira

December 21, 2005 01:17 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

The grab for our civil liberties has begun in Ohio, America’s heartland:

SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!

Do you support this type of law to make yourself feel safe?

Ain’t the GOP just neato?

By getalife

December 21, 2005 01:23 PM | Link to this

Blogging will be next

By finch

December 21, 2005 01:25 PM | Link to this

Andy, if nothing else you are prolific! Ben Stein scores points all right. Negative points. When a President ignores the law to accomplish a goal he could have accomplished just as easily, if not more so, by obeying the law, then we have a problem.

The pattern is set. What are mere laws?

Meanwhile, the global media is acknowledging the obvious. Remember President Bush’s vow to bring Democracy, specifically secular Democracy to Iraq? And how last week’s elections would show that Iraq had turned the corner? Well, forget it.

“Iraq is disintegrating. The first results from the parliamentary election last week show the country is dividing between Shia, Sunni and Kurdish regions.

“Religious fundamentalists now have the upper hand. The secular and nationalist candidate backed by the US and Britain was humiliatingly defeated.”

No, wait! President Bush ordered the Iraq invasion because Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction! Oh, he didn’t? Dang.

Whatever. Havae another drink, George.

Merry Christmas.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 01:26 PM | Link to this

They are already looking at Google earth.

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 01:26 PM | Link to this

Ricky — I will acknowledge he has done well when he has. I think just about the only thing he did well was thte Afghan war, and even that is very suspect now, since it seems like his strategy allowed bin Laden to escape. But at least it was somewhat well done. If you want to point me to a single other thing he has done well, be my guest. I’d love to see them. I’m yet to, however. Oh, and illegal (and unconstitutional) wiretaps do not count.

You also blithely avoided my question by pretending to be offended. Is that because you could not answre it? My money is on “yes”.

By finch

December 21, 2005 01:30 PM | Link to this

The Bush administration’s goal of a secular democratic government in Iraq is slipping away. It’s increasingly likely that Iraq will involve into a S&=a Islamic theocracy.

Just like it’s neighbor Iran. You know, the “Death to America” country with the nuclear weapons program?

Great job. Hats off to Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz and all the other neocons who thought they had this “all figured out”.

Poor George. I still think he’s probably a nice guy. But he’s dumb. Sooooo dumb.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 01:34 PM | Link to this

Another right wing hack weighs in saying what the Bush administration did was legal

President Bush’s post- Sept. 11, 2001, authorization to the National Security Agency to carry out electronic surveillance into private phone calls and e-mails is consistent with court decisions and with the positions of the Justice Department under prior presidents.

It was right wing hacks that were associate attorney generals under Bill Clinton wasn’t it?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 01:36 PM | Link to this

wench: It seems like a pretty simple question. Oh, that’s right, nothing is ever simple with a pinko, who said that?

Ben Stein: Where is all of the harm that Bush’s opponents claim? It is just plain invisible, a fantasy used to justify their own paranoia, isn’t it?

Isn’t it?

Merry Christmas!

By Jay

December 21, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this

finch, you must have ESP and know the future or you just sound like you’re giddy at the notion of an Iraqi failure

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this

How’s this for an easy question pinkos:

Do you want to burn in the eternal flames for eternity?

Do you want to have the skin pealed off you body and fingernails pulled out day after day for the rest of time?

If not, worship Jesus and pay attention.

WAKE UP!!

Merry Christmas!

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 01:48 PM | Link to this

LOL, Andy, what a little child you are. Gosh, you are quite a retard.

By finch

December 21, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

Jay, I am certainly not giddy at the notion of an Iraqi failure. I am sickened by the needless deaths (Americans, Brits, Iraqis, whoever) caused by this futile exercise in “nation building”.

You know, “nation building”? Something candidate George Bush said he’d never do??

And Dude. (Can I call you Dude?) Time to dig up that well worn but so applicable phrase, “slippery slope”. If President Bush breaks the law to accomplish something he could have done by obeying the law, what other laws will he ignore?

The buck stops here.

Merry Christmas.

By finch

December 21, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

Andy dude, someone’s ripped of your name again. Seriously, I wish this idiot would stop.

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 01:52 PM | Link to this

rushncap: That wasn’t me that was the fake Andy/Midori. I don’t care what she says, she must really want to get close to me. I know who to spell.

As for the rest of you pinko atheists, turn to God before it’s too late.

Merry Christmas!

By Andy Is Better Than I Am

December 21, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this

rushncap: If you don’t have enough intellectual ability to distinquish between my posts and something one of your fellow pinkos out, don’t make it my problem, stupid a-ss-

Or maybe you enjoy getting jerked off?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this

How’s this for an easy question pinkos:

Do you want to burn in the eternal flames for eternity?

Do you want to have the skin pealed off you body and fingernails pulled out day after day for the rest of time?

If not, worship Jesus and pay attention.

WAKE UP!!

Thanks for all your help, Midori.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

Michelle Malkin has several stories of interest here, like you need an excuse to see Michelle

Be sure and check out the Power Line link at the bottom of the page, John Hinderaker has some questions in to the Times Bookstore writers. Great T-shirt ads too.

By Rushncap Wishes He Was Andy

December 21, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

I figured out who it is. I should have known it would be a mental midget.

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 21, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

Or maybe you enjoy getting jerked off?

I do, I do! /arm raised.

By Jay

December 21, 2005 02:00 PM | Link to this

finch, of course no one wants to see any deaths. Nation building was not the goal when intially going into Iraq. It was to get Saddam’s sorry butt out, which we did. He had every chance to avoid this conflict but he put himself before his country. Unfortunately, war does not always go exactly as planned and now we are forced to keep them as stable as possible until they have a chance to stand on their own. We owe them that much.

As far as breaking the law instead of obeying the law, I don’t think any of that has even been established yet. Sounds like another one of the Conspiracy Theory of the Week rantings.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 02:02 PM | Link to this

RW,

Why don’t you post some Ann Coulter links while you’re at it?

That tripe is just flat out sad.

Try promoting some real Conservative thought, not the “It’s all Bill and Hillary’s fault” crowd, and I’ll be happy to read it.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 02:10 PM | Link to this

Ira,

Ann’s article probably won’t be out until tomorrow. Michelle has several links to other stories that in turn have links to various other news stories.

There are some open minded people that may want to read them, obviously you don’t fit that category.

Anything that doesn’t fit neatly in your world view seems to be dismissed as tripe and I don’t intend to post for the sole benefit of what you feel others should be allowed to read.

By getalife

December 21, 2005 02:17 PM | Link to this

Rudy joins the Patriot Act discussion

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 02:18 PM | Link to this

Here you go Ira, an article from the other side

By finch

December 21, 2005 02:53 PM | Link to this

RW, thanks for the Malkin link. I almost never agree with her, but damn! She’s a great writer.

But she still misses the point. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And the “But Billy did it tooooo!” argument is soooo lame.

Also, it’s one thing to zero in on one suspected “white supremacist” encampment, but quite another to routinely authorize hundreds, perhaps thousands of phonetaps and email intercepts based on hearsay.

Our Founding Fathers (bless them!) were quite familiar with oppressive government types who delighted in random searches for dubious evidence. That’s why there’s the 4th Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Subsequent laws and court rulings have affirmed this right. The Foreign Intellegence Surveillance Act acknowledges it by requiring at the very least that a federal court be notified before surveillance begins. The Bush administration ignored this requirement. It’s as simple as that.

I’m not happy with the Clinton Justice Department’s decision to focus a spy satellite on the camp of a bunch of nutcases. But the blanket invasion of privacy admitted to by the Bush administration trivializes the Clinton error.

Merry Christmas!

By Blitz

December 21, 2005 02:53 PM | Link to this

Andy, you need to get a job, get off welfare, quit hogging the computer at the public library with your ridiculous blog posts, and get out once in a while. Don’t have anything else to do with youru time?

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

Andy — what does that tell you if your posts are indistinguishable in tone and intelligence from those of people who make fun of you?

RW — Michelle’s column is nice. Very nice. Did you bother reading it? Probably not. Because if you did, and you were honest, you would notice that the article about satellite surveillance that she links to says absolutely nothing about FBI not having a warrant. You see, RW, the probles is not wiretaps. The problem is that those wiretaps were done apparently illegally. Any of this making sense?

By Theorizing

December 21, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

Wiretaps and current events notwithstanding, as an educational exercise for a non-lawyer, is satellite surveillance something that requires a warrant? Isn’t there some kind of plain view exception to the warrant requirement? If it can be seen from above, is that in plain view?

By Rushncap Wishes He Was Andy

December 21, 2005 03:04 PM | Link to this

Blitz: Paying scant attention to my 3.33ghz Pentium notebook is really not that much of an issue for me. I do in fact appreciate your concern. I also feel sorry that you are overwhelmed by life’s more simpler pursuits and that you find success such unachievable object. It is quite telling that you recited a laundry list of the free things society has to offer. Paid for with my taxes, dude.

rushncap: Blow me. How’s that for tone?

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 03:05 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

It’s certainly obvious one of us didn’t read

and, it’s not my position that warrant less wiretaps were illegal under any President when it had a relationship to National security.

This satellite surveillance was quite illegal and certainly not done with a warrant, granted it has little to do with wiretaps.

By Serena

December 21, 2005 03:20 PM | Link to this

Andy: You can take your high minded pinko lecture about morality and run it right up your… My two abortion opportunities are upstairs right now enjoying the precious life that God and I gave to them. I don’t need to hear your college protest moveon slogans about “providing loving homes for them.� By me rejecting the easy way of murder relieves me of having to listen to your lazy a-ss reasoning. Just curious if your wife participated in these two events or was it just you and God.

By Objective Observer

December 21, 2005 03:23 PM | Link to this

Getalife: You are having a lot of fun today, and are in good form. Saddam’s Torture must not have been too bad, because he still had enough intestinal fortitude to get “the ugliest woman I’ve ever seen” pregnant afterwards.

By Blitz

December 21, 2005 03:23 PM | Link to this

Andy, scant attention? You’re obsessed. Why don’t you go out and get a job, make a few minimum-wage dollars and relieve the burden on society that your Mike Luckovich obsession is causing.

By Serena Wishes She Was Andy

December 21, 2005 03:24 PM | Link to this

Serena: Blow it out your sex-hole. My wife and I worked very hard for our little miracles and I won’t have you using them to make your dirty evil points.

My internetting skills are quite advanced and I will track you down if you address me again, woman.

Merry Christmas!

By Objective Observer

December 21, 2005 03:25 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Scratch that, but he’s ugly too!

By Rushncap Wishes He Was Andy

December 21, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

Serena: I apologize, I forgot to give my wife credit, you are right to correct me.

Blitz: Is this the sole extent of your human interaction; to criticize and ridicule others? Is there something specifically that I said you would like to dispute or have you not aged enough to form your own thoughts?

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 21, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

OO, I have been in the eggnog and took too many meds.

By Blitz

December 21, 2005 03:33 PM | Link to this

Andy, funny to hear that “sole extent of your human interaction” comment coming from someone who probably has no life, no friends, and no job given the nonexistent social skills, constant lashing-out, namecalling, etc. that you have on display on this blog.

By Objective Observer

December 21, 2005 03:33 PM | Link to this

Getalife: I told you progress can be overrated. Even undergoing rehab, you’ve progressed beyond by technical abilities. You rock!!!

By Rushncap Wishes He Was Andy

December 21, 2005 03:33 PM | Link to this

Okay this has gone on far enough. Stop trying to imitate me and live up to my magnificent self. You cannot do it. You don’t have the intellect or the ability to comprehend what I share with the board each day.

You know half the people that read this Board, do it becuase of my wit and charm.

Quit trying to be me you pinkos.

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 21, 2005 03:35 PM | Link to this

OO, Thanks, feel pretty good today and can’t wait to get to Vegas.

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

RW, you’re right. One of us didn’t read. That “one” was obviously you. In the second link there STILL is no reference to any suggestion that a law was broken, or that the surveillance was done in any way other than according to correct and constitutional procedures. If you found somewhere in the article any statement to the contrary, feel free to post it. Until then, you stand corrected.

And if I understand your position correctly, the President can do anything he pleases, including violating any provision of the Constitution, and all he has to do is yell “national security issue”? Man, Clinton should have hired you as his lawyer. “Mr. Clinton, did you have sexual relations with Miss Lewinsky?” “National security issue! Next question”.

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this

Andy, I will most certainly not blow you. Go find a nearest kennel.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 03:44 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

No, you don’t understand my position correctly. What else is new?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 03:44 PM | Link to this

If you don’t mind hearing from the real Andy: To all of you who come in here looking to share your thoughts on the cartoon or perhaps participate in the discussion, Serena in particular, I would like to extend an apology for some behavior that others in here have engaged in. For one, while I do speak my mind and sometimes I can be harsh, I will never engage in personal attacks such as referring to someone’s “sexhole.” Please understand that this blog is predominately liberal in make up, and this type of behavior should be expected from them, it is who they are. I would think that the “moderator” of this blog would demand a little bit more respectability, as it reflects directly on him, but apparently his obsession with Bush does not allow time to correct these disgraceful actions.

By Objective Observer

December 21, 2005 03:45 PM | Link to this

Just wondering

By rushncap

December 21, 2005 03:47 PM | Link to this

Well, you refusing to either answer my questions or recognize when defeated in an argument certainly isn’t new, RW. So, to do you the honor which you so frequently refuse me — i.e. to answer your question — not much else is new. In fact, your tapdancing is getting a bit, dare I say it, old.

By Serena thanks her God she is not Andy

December 21, 2005 03:49 PM | Link to this

Andy:

You sound just like Archie Bunker. I think you are a bully. If you don’t want to be addressed then don’t write on public blogs. I pity your poor, poor wife.

I did not insult your wife or your little miracles. Why did you respond with such grossness and vugarity?

Why did you think I was a pinko just because I thought your wife should have had some of the credit for giving birth?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 03:50 PM | Link to this

Stop it right now with the imitating. I did not post that apology to Serena. I hate her and all you liberal pinko swine. You killed my Lord and I will never forgive you for that. I am not ashamed of anything I’ve posted here and never will be. I am an agent of the Lord and I am only trying to show you all the wickedness of your ways. Repent. Come unto me and my church and listen to my wisdom.

Plus that fake Andy didn’t wish you a Merry Christmas like I always do so you know he’s a fake.

So, in conclusion, Serena you can still blow it out your sex-hole. The rest of you should listen to me and my wit and charm and repent, love Jesus, and finally help me crush God’s enemies: Liberals.

Merry Christmas!

By Andy

December 21, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this

If you don’t mind hearing from the real Andy: To all of you who come in here looking to share your thoughts on the cartoon or perhaps participate in the discussion, Serena in particular, I would like to extend an apology for some behavior that others in here have engaged in. For one, while I do speak my mind and sometimes I can be harsh, I will never engage in personal attacks such as referring to someone’s “sexhole.� Please understand that this blog is predominately liberal in make up, and this type of behavior should be expected from them, it is who they are. I would think that the “moderator� of this blog would demand a little bit more respectability, as it reflects directly on him, but apparently his obsession with Bush does not allow time to correct these disgraceful actions.

By Blitz

December 21, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this

Andy, apologize for your own comments as well. As someone else mentioned, you engage in enough personal attacks of your own so that some people can’t distinguish the fakes from your own nastiness. Or better yet, just get a job and a life so you can find something else to do with your time besides camping out in the public library in front of the computer.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 21, 2005 03:56 PM | Link to this

Italics and double posting won’t fool anyone, fake Andy.

I do not apologize for anything.

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2005 04:03 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

America’s spy-satellite program is jointly under the control of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Department of Defense (DoD). Targeting decisions are classified; however, persons familiar with the project say any domestic use of these satellites is barred by agreements between the CIA and DoD.

As for the other thing, on the off chance that it isn’t you changing names to ask the same thing over and over, my position is that these wiretaps aren’t illegal. I am basing that on what seems to be coming out over and over that courts have consistently held that position. I am certainly not sure of that, nor are you sure of the contrary position. We will find out for sure as time goes on.

Sorry for being short before I had to run out and it definitely seems that you are posting under different names to keep saying the same things over and over on multiple threads. The snarky question/comments at the end of virtually all your posts give that impression. Maybe that’s a character trait of people with your political point of view.

By Andy

December 21, 2005 04:10 PM | Link to this

Blitz: I ask for one thought, that’s all. Prove to us that you are more than a spoiled brat college pinko protester who can only mimic what you hear in the kook blogs. Is it too much to ask?

Speaking of obsessions…

Merry Christmas!

By Blitz

December 21, 2005 04:16 PM | Link to this

Andy, post one thing to prove to us that you aren’t a brainless, penniless, jobless, obsessed loser hogging the public library computer and defining his existence by posting nonsense to this blog.

By Andy

December 21, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

The mental reasoning powers of the pinko in action:

Blitz: so you can find something else to do with your time besides camping out in the public library in front of the computer.

Powder Springs Library 4262 Marietta St., Powder Springs, GA 30127 9-8 Mon.-Thur., 9-6 Fri.-Sat. (I picked out randomly, please don’t stalk them, you pinkos.)

By Midori Wishes She Was Andy

December 20, 2005 09:35 PM | Link to this

wench: See here for what a second trimester infant looks like.

So much for that idea. Caught in a lie like always.

Merry Christmas!

By Fan of Mike and Ira

December 21, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

Mike, great cartoon. Ira, great arguments. I hope that more people THINK about these things.

By Objective Observer

December 21, 2005 04:46 PM | Link to this

With everybody tattling on one another, and if the consequences are banishment, we’ll be missing quite a few of you here soon. A sad day indeed!!

By Andy

December 21, 2005 04:47 PM | Link to this

Fan of Mike and Ira: You are a double pinko loving piece of scum. I will NOT take direction from the likes of you. You should read some of my posts and then you’d have someone to be a fan of!

Merry Christmas!

By Andy

December 21, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this

If you don’t mind hearing from the real Andy: To all of you who come in here looking to share your thoughts on the cartoon or perhaps participate in the discussion, Serena in particular, I would like to extend an apology for some behavior that others in here have engaged in. For one, while I do speak my mind and sometimes I can be harsh, I will never engage in personal attacks such as referring to someone’s “sexhole.� Please understand that this blog is predominately liberal in make up, and this type of behavior should be expected from them, it is who they are. I would think that the “moderator� of this blog would demand a little bit more respectability, as it reflects directly on him, but apparently his obsession with Bush does not allow time to correct these disgraceful actions.

By Andy

December 21, 2005 04:52 PM | Link to this

If you don’t mind hearing from the real Andy: To all of you who come in here looking to share your thoughts on the cartoon or perhaps participate in the discussion, Serena in particular, I would like to extend an apology for some behavior that others in here have engaged in. For one, while I do speak my mind and sometimes I can be harsh, I will never engage in personal attacks such as referring to someone’s “sexhole.� Please understand that this blog is predominately liberal in make up, and this type of behavior should be expected from them, it is who they are. I would think that the “moderator� of this blog would demand a little bit more respectability, as it reflects directly on him, but apparently his obsession with Bush does not allow time to correct these disgraceful actions.

By Andy

December 21, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

If you don’t mind hearing from the real Andy: To all of you who come in here looking to share your thoughts on the cartoon or perhaps participate in the digressions, Serena in particular, I would like to extend an apology for some behavior that others in here have engaged in but not me as I do no wrong. For one, while I do speak my mind and sometimes I can be harsh and childlike and rude and simple and common, I will never engage in personal attacks such as referring to someone’s “sexhole� unless it makes me laugh, which “sexhole� does. Please understand that this blog is predominately smart type folks in make up, and this type of behavior should be expected from me, it is who I am. I would think that the “moderator� of this blog would demand a little bit more respectability, as it reflects directly on me, but apparently my obsession with Bush does not allow me time to correct these disgraceful actions.

By Brian Curtis

December 21, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

Great cartoon, and a good reminder to the fundie whackjobs that no matter what drivel they teach their kids at home, the schools are under no obligation to support it.

Science = science, and religion (ID) doesn’t belong in a science class.

Besides, you right-wing Christians (there’s an oxymoron) hate public schools anyway… why would you trust them to teach your kids the One Truth Faith correctly?

By Andy

December 21, 2005 05:00 PM | Link to this

Brian: Can’t you see I’m trying to calm this board down. Go away with all your hate speech, I need to apologize again.

Merry Christmas!

By Candide

December 21, 2005 05:02 PM | Link to this

Warning! The Atlanta Journal Constitution does not run an open minded blog. If you come in here with Conservative ideas, we will shout you down. It is the only recourse we have, since we cannot argue our ideas as we don’t have any. So stay out of here wingnuts, we don’t want to hear your lies!

By Scooter

December 21, 2005 05:02 PM | Link to this

Andy, is this what you are trying to say?

By Scooter

December 21, 2005 05:06 PM | Link to this

People are putting words in other peoples mouths if that is the Candide. So that would be a conservative doing such a thing. Too naive to know it is shooting its self in teh foot.

By Brian Curtis

December 21, 2005 05:07 PM | Link to this

Right on Candide, who does these wingnuts think they are? Nobody believes what they say, even Jay Bookman can see their lies.

I don’t want to be responsible for my life and I d-amn sure don’t need some Jesus freak telling what to do. I can live off of the government if I want.

By Scooter

December 21, 2005 05:16 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis, I’m agnostic and think that if government gets its power from people who depend on it, then it has a conflict of interest in educating our childrern. But, democrats get power of dependency from that conflict. Do you have any problem with that?

By BigDaddy

December 21, 2005 05:20 PM | Link to this

Andy fans, there are only a few days left until Christmas. Everyone (except This Justin) has just enough time to pick this up

By Scooter

December 21, 2005 05:22 PM | Link to this

Andy, sorry I fed him. I have to leave anyway, so calm her on down, my brother.

By BigDaddy

December 21, 2005 05:24 PM | Link to this

Ahh, the “progressives” strike again. Here’s their latest idea to promote peace in lieu of the War on Terror.

My question is why do the two have to be mutually exclusive?

By getalife

December 21, 2005 05:25 PM | Link to this

Torture Dude

By RE

December 21, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

I think Karl Rove just followed me home! I have to be quick but here is what happened. I was at a seminar on how to file false discrimination claims against the government, when I noticed that the clock in the room had an eye in the middle of it. And it was looking at me! I got real scared and tried to sneak out but the eye followed me! I ran to the bus and started home when I noticed a black Lincoln Navigator following the bus. I got off at the public housing projects I live in and the Navigator turned in. I locked myself inside but I’m so scared. I think I wet myself. If you don’t hear from me again call John Murtha’s office and tell him to investigate.

By Ira

December 21, 2005 05:44 PM | Link to this

Is anybody else watching Faux news now? Can you believe the things they are saying? Bush is winning the war in Iraq? The economy is good? The democrats only idea for the last 5 years has been to get Bush and just like everything else they do it’s a total failure? That Bush’s poll numbers are going up? So what if the economic growth is at 4% and unemployment is at 5%the lowest level ever, it doesn’t mean nothing. China owns us!

By Erik

December 21, 2005 05:48 PM | Link to this

I like liberal women. They are so stupid. They are easy and they never ask me to use a condom. If I get them pregnant I just split. Why should I pay for their abortion? Women’s liberation, right?

By getalife

December 21, 2005 05:56 PM | Link to this

Speaking of liberal women and faux news

By Midori

December 21, 2005 06:41 PM | Link to this

My, my Erik.

Me thinks you are an excellent candidate for STDs.

Altho I hardly think that it’s liberal women who forgo using condoms — just like at Ann Coulter. She looks like a walking test tube if there ever was one.

By Objective Observer

December 21, 2005 09:31 PM | Link to this

Big Daddy: Was that 10 days of “piece” or 10 days of “peace”.

Getalife: Now I can’t decide which one is uglier, Saddam’s torturer whom he got pregnant, or Susan Estrich (her voice is like nails on a chalkboard)and she is soooooo dumb.

By Larry

December 22, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

Mike, you did a good cartoon, but you had an error in it. The guy reading the newspaper should be titled “Evolutionist” because the judge proved he’s a monkey’s uncle.