Mike Luckovich

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 06:54 PM | Link to this

There you go, one day he’s in an ice block the next day he’s a man of the people.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 16, 2005 06:57 PM | Link to this

Bush has eavesdropped? That dude gets around. I wonder if he has a file on all of you pinkos! You’d better check your window! He could be out there right now! Look under the bed! What’s that noise I hear!

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 16, 2005 07:02 PM | Link to this

Hey, look at this, cartoon boy drew the guys protecting America as elephants or Republicans. This is the first time he’s ever been truthful about anything. I wonder what’s up? After all of the pinko calls for surrender, does Mikey see the futility in trying to hide who our enemies, the democrats, really are?

I appreciate this new tone of discourse. It’s much more civil this way.

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 16, 2005 07:08 PM | Link to this

It was fun reading the spin on this story today.

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 07:10 PM | Link to this

Meanwhile the Dems filibuster the Patriot Act….

McCain passes the Al Queda bill of rights….

The Clinton cover-up commission says the only thing that will make us safer is a radio frequency to use after an attack (not that helpful to those attack victims)….

Thank God the President is doing the right thing in spite of all this.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 16, 2005 07:16 PM | Link to this

Nancy Pelosi shares with us a democrat policy achievement, as you can tell she is very proud of their efforts-

Pelosi said Democrats scored significant victories recently, the biggest coming on Social Security, on which she said Democratic opposition to Bush’s proposed private or personal accounts blocked any hopes the White House had for changing the government retirement insurance program this year. “Not only did we take him down on that, but we took down a lot of his credibility as being somebody who cared about ‘people like me,’ ” she said.

Merry Christmas!

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 07:31 PM | Link to this

Now this one IS funny! But then I’ve seen both parties put spin on their comments. Bill Clinton was a master of the art. Don’t get upset everyone, that is a compliment.

By Marion of Texas

December 16, 2005 07:33 PM | Link to this

Mike, this is right on target! The Bush Machine (led by the ever plotting and smirking Karl Rove) is spinning, spinning, spinning, and the Sheep People (or the Brain-Stem People or the Reptile Brain People) are believing, believing, believing …

I remain ever thankful for brave people like you, Cynthia Tucker, and Jay Bookman, who have the courage to keep telling the truth despite the Sheep People’s cheap shots. (Do they ever take a breather?)

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 07:35 PM | Link to this

This part of the New York Times front page book promotion doesn’t seem so bad. I wonder if ml can draw the Brooklyn Bridge crashing down.

Several officials said the eavesdropping program had helped uncover a plot by Iyman Faris, an Ohio trucker and naturalized citizen who pleaded guilty in 2003 to supporting Al Qaeda by planning to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge with blowtorches. What appeared to be another Qaeda plot, involving fertilizer bomb attacks on British pubs and train stations, was exposed last year in part through the program, the officials said.

By candide

December 16, 2005 08:01 PM | Link to this

And you deny that Bush is a Fascist?

By getalife

December 16, 2005 08:02 PM | Link to this

I wonder if Bush listens in on Bill O’Reilly’s late night calls.

By Elmer

December 16, 2005 08:03 PM | Link to this

It sure is funny that the New York times put the storu out on the very day that the Senate was going to vote on the Patriot Act. Shame, shame. It is going to expire, and if I hear one whinning journalist say something about the Gov. not doing every thing to stop terrerism, I am going to get a planr ticket and fly whever he or she is, and whip their butt.!!!I am glad you have Miss McKinney for a rep.

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 08:23 PM | Link to this

This one is funny. But…if this portrayed democrats in the same predicament, and they have been; they wouldn’t need to give much thought to how they were going to spin it. The liberal media would pave the way, and the democratic politicians would follow their lead.

By Geezus

December 16, 2005 08:27 PM | Link to this

Good one ml. And see RW at least half of it is pro-bush (sort of). And of course it is the fault of (…checks Repube cue-card…) Liberal media!!!! Right? do I get a door prize? (I bet cAndy’s in the plaid jacket…lol)

By Geezus

December 16, 2005 08:32 PM | Link to this

…of course I’m sure this toon can’t stack up to this touching plot….lol

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 16, 2005 08:34 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t get any better than Mark Steyn

He joins the Christmas debate.

Merry Christmas!

By Midori

December 16, 2005 08:35 PM | Link to this

Objective Overseer — what is this “Liberal media” of which you speak?

Whenever I see someone use that phrase, the person using it loses all credibility.

What is so “liberal” about the media? Would this be the same “liberal media” that has guarded and protected Bush’s many missteps and incompetencies during the past 5 years?

The same “liberal media” that gave him a complete pass for his phoney war?

The same “liberal media” that hounded Bill Clinton for eight entire years?

That is such a loser term.

By Daniel

December 16, 2005 08:36 PM | Link to this

Some of you need to grow up.

By BigDaddy

December 16, 2005 08:37 PM | Link to this

candide’s new t-shirt

By getalife

December 16, 2005 08:37 PM | Link to this

So Bush wants to be like Nixon. I wonder if he has tapes?This looks familiar

By Midori

December 16, 2005 08:38 PM | Link to this

The Myth of the Liberal Media

http://www.bartcop.com/libmedia.htm

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 16, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this

Rich Lowry scores some points-* The Iraq war offers two great dramas: Iraqis voting in their third national election as they struggle to create a viable democracy, and Democrats shadowboxing with infantile obsessions from the Vietnam era.*

Merry Christmas!

By BigDaddy

December 16, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this

Wow, Midori, that sure is some compelling, unbiased source you have there.

By Midori

December 16, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this

Meanwhile the Dems filibuster the Patriot Act….

If I’m not mistaken, Republicans joined that filibuster.

Seems some of you really do have a soul and/or conscience.

By finch

December 16, 2005 08:43 PM | Link to this

Right on the money, Mike. Keep the feds off my phone and out of my mailbox.

For those who prefer warrantless intrusions and secret government monitoring of personal communications, step right up for your mandatory fingerprinting, mandatory gun permits and mandatory government ID, complete with satellite tracking chip.

Every breath you take And every move you make Every bond you break, every step you take They’ll be watching you

Every single day And every word you say Every game you play, every night you stay They’ll be watching you

Big Brother WILL be watching. Happy now?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 16, 2005 08:52 PM | Link to this

wench: Judging from your motus operandi, I seriously doubt if you are going to garner any attention from the Bush Administration as a Al Qaeda spy. And since I doubt they spend much time tracking clowns, you can probably calm down and catch your breath. It will be O.K.

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 08:52 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

Midori’s links may not be unbiased, but they are usually entertaining. One day they may even come in handy link form.

Midori,

This is the vote, but before you start thinking Bill Frist is a great guy he had to vote no for procedural reasons.

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 09:00 PM | Link to this

Andy,

After John Wayne Gacy I think they do track clowns.

Scroll to the bottom of the page for the full effect.

By getalife

December 16, 2005 09:04 PM | Link to this

Just to be safe, I am now pro Bush and deleted all sensitive documents(porn). Bush is great, should be on Mt. Rushmore, etc…..

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 16, 2005 09:08 PM | Link to this

RW: That link says Gacy was a democratic party precinct captain, don’t it figure.

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 09:11 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Hanging out with the Carters fits right in, too. If he had only declared himself dictator of some South American country he would still be dining with Jimmah.

By getalife

December 16, 2005 09:20 PM | Link to this

Man, I am unplugging my phone and computer

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 09:39 PM | Link to this

getalife,

With the drugs you’re taking you better stay against President Bush. The prescription drug nazis that go after Republicans are far more intrusive than a few wire taps.

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 09:40 PM | Link to this

Midori: Linked to your site, its’ intention was evident pretty early on. It was humorous though. I used to think that everyone who claimed this bias was just lacking objectivity. However, in all honesty, I began to listen carefully out of view of the television. Subtle words like “attempted”, “tried”, “supposedly”, “questionable” were being heard more clearly from the other room. When I would go in to check the station, they were, shall we say, all 3 majors, two cables. One of the cables being a little more objective than the other which was right-biased.

My favorite news and cultural commentator has always been Dennis Miller. Just can’t keep up with where the guy is located. What channel, what night. May not even be on anymore, can’t seem to hold an audience.

I also enjoy Charles Krauthammer on Fox and sometimes Bill Crystal. But let’s be honest with each other, bias exists in both directions.

By getalife

December 16, 2005 09:45 PM | Link to this

You mean like Rush SSSSSSShhhhhh…..did you hear that?

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 09:50 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Bernard Goldberg, who wrote the book bias, says there is a liberal bias among most media, but it isn’t intentional.

The funny thing is his thesis is it’s because they “live in a bubble”. I think I’ve heard that somewhere before.

Dennis Miller was on CNBC, but it’s been canceled for a long time.

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 09:58 PM | Link to this

Midori: You may want to check this. The UCLA News, come on…my home town where my open-minded roots were engrained.

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 10:12 PM | Link to this

R.W. (bearer of “bad news”) I told you I was slow in response. “tiny bubbles”, damn, why aren’t there musical notes on the keyboard? You have made me very sad. Krauthammer & Crystal seem to be objective, but they just aren’t funny like my man Dennis. You know how I enjoy my laughter.

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 10:18 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I’ll have to hang my head in shame yet again.

On the bright side Dennis is free to do other, more interesting things

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 10:18 PM | Link to this

BTW R.W. you could have excluded the word “long”. That really didn’t help my self-esteem. sigh! So sad, so sad. No Dennis.

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 10:26 PM | Link to this

R.W., quit hanging your head in shame. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Thanks for the link, I shall slumber with sweet visions and promises of things (never mind), I know how damn quick you are.

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 10:29 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

If I keep making you feel bad with everything I say I may just have to leave this site. Alas, it’s been fun while it lasted.

And, for those of you cheering my decision I refer you to the word “may”.

may=not very likely

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 10:34 PM | Link to this

R.W.: not very likely=good

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 10:40 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Actually you shouldn’t examine that Dennis Miller link too closely (it’s not like it has a BigDaddy problem), it just doesn’t seem very up to date.

Drat!! Now I feel worse. I think I’ll go back to researching why ml’s implication isn’t even in violation of any law.

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 10:48 PM | Link to this

Knock it off! Now Ugotme feeling bad about you feeling bad and so on and so on and….. Until I read where Dennis has died, hope will prevail.

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 10:51 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry Dennis is alive and well

By Objective Observer

December 16, 2005 10:58 PM | Link to this

That Dennis went bonkers. Oh wait, so does my Dennis on occasion. Did you find humor in today’s cartoon? Goodnight! Happy hunting.

By RW-(the original)

December 16, 2005 11:04 PM | Link to this

For ml this toon was pretty good. Goodnight!

By Ricky

December 17, 2005 12:12 AM | Link to this

This toon just proves my point. Today you had three leading Dems(Pelosi, Dean, and Rahm Emanuel) give three different answers when asked about the Dems position on the war. Pelosi flat said they had none and Dean Emanuel both said we’ve got one and we will let you know what it is soon. I am sure ml could have done a toon about the confusion in the dem party

By Bill

December 17, 2005 07:07 AM | Link to this

So President “Nixon”, oops er “Bush” got caught with his hand in the cookie jar again. This should cause us to look very carefully at Clinton, Lewinsky, Hillary, White Water, anything overseas, and anything else that will forestall a careful and truthful examination of the Bush Whitehouse (that is the true point of the Iraqi conflict, afterall). I already see that Andy has posted that “cartoon boy drew the guys protecting America as elephants or Republicans”. So now this kind of activity is called “protecting America” by the Neocons. Heck, let’s resurrect Joe McCarthy, elect him President, and then we can get the full measure of this type of protection.

By candide

December 17, 2005 07:21 AM | Link to this

Bush must be impeached.

By Bill

December 17, 2005 07:29 AM | Link to this

Candide: We didn’t impeach Nixon or Clinton. Why get all “moral” at this late date.

By Kevin

December 17, 2005 07:44 AM | Link to this

Why not wait next Ny times will change story sayin bush never did tap lines sayin got this from john kerry n jane fonda…And never had facts just like kerry sayin we send are soldiers to kill kids n babys again like he said in 1972…at a senate hearin remember n Jane of foot in mouth…say we wrong should left Mr goodbar in charge..i wonder will be standin with rocket launcher aim at Us soldiers next like did in 68 for the viet-cong…

By Bill

December 17, 2005 07:52 AM | Link to this

Let me add Hanoi Jane, John Kerry, King Kong and the price of Cheetos to the list of things we should talk about instead of Whitehouse McCarthyism.

By Mac

December 17, 2005 07:59 AM | Link to this

McCarthyism….Bushism …. is there a difference?!

By Bill

December 17, 2005 08:06 AM | Link to this

Bush is sneakier, more sophisticated, and a better liar than “Smokin’ Joe”.

By Pinko Liberal

December 17, 2005 08:20 AM | Link to this

Kevin - if you speak the way you type you are a real moron. Judging by your post you’re a real moron anyway.

Happy Holidays - one and all!

By candide

December 17, 2005 08:35 AM | Link to this

Bush will address the nation Sunday night. Had he any sense of honor he would announce his resignation.

By Bill

December 17, 2005 08:41 AM | Link to this

Candide: Honor?/Politician? hah, hah, hah, hah, hah. Stop it you’re killing me.

By Country Mouse

December 17, 2005 08:51 AM | Link to this

Marion of Texas: Cynthia Tucker and Jay Bookman told the truth? When was that? I must have missed their columns that day. I’m sorry to have missed such an historic event.

By Eric

December 17, 2005 08:52 AM | Link to this

Great job Mike. Keep turning up the heat. The Liar in Cheif can only take so much, even with the protection of the “liberal” media. Eventually the weak minds amongs us may even see the light. I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

By Brian Curtis

December 17, 2005 09:41 AM | Link to this

This cartoon is great! I wonder how any self-respecting Republicans (if they still exist) can continue claiming they’re all about freedom and smaller government.

I guess those ideas don’t apply when “enemies of the state, or anyone we don’t happen to like” are involved… hypocritical morons. Hah!

By sleestak

December 17, 2005 09:50 AM | Link to this

Cynthia Tucker, jay bookman tell the truth yeah right! Joseph Goebbels would be proud of his two grand kids

By Ricky

December 17, 2005 09:59 AM | Link to this

Does anyone else find it interesting that the NY Times has admitted to holding this story for months and then waits until the day after the best news Bush has gotten in a while to run it? Or that one of the authors fo the story has a book coming out soon? The NY Times is more worried about making Bush look bad and promoting itself and its writers than they are about the objectivity of the stories

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 09:59 AM | Link to this

Well at least six people have shown up this morning and proved that they haven’t read the book chapter from the NYT.

Those who actually read the piece will note that the paper must grudgingly acknowledge that it is talking about the NSA’s monitoring of international communications (e-mails, cellphone calls, etc.) only; the agency still seeks warrants to monitor entirely domestic communications.

Michelle Malkin provides links to the story as well as a few excerpts and other relevant information.

I can just see the NY Times editors sitting around fretting that after they ran with a bogus Iranian ballot story and the elections in Iraq went so well. “We’ve got to get this election off the front page, get Risen and tell him the book is going to have to come out early”

By Geezus

December 17, 2005 10:03 AM | Link to this

Amazing that the Re-pubes show absolutely NO concern about the implications of this. Your pres or not, this is VERY serious. It matters less about the timeliness of the information release and it matters more about the validity of these allegations.

By Ricky

December 17, 2005 10:05 AM | Link to this

Geezus, did you read the link RW provided? People are running around yelling that domestic calls are being monitored without warrants when they weren’t. And is it really necessary for you to call names in very one of your posts?

By Geezus

December 17, 2005 10:10 AM | Link to this

Is your name Re-pube?

By Jesus

December 17, 2005 10:14 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Geezus

December 17, 2005 10:16 AM | Link to this

I’m sure, Ricky, that you would love to feel like a “taget” on this blog, but in fact you are not the only one here who has voiced that concern (timeliness of the info). You are only the target of this spying information…lol

By Ricky

December 17, 2005 10:25 AM | Link to this

Geezus, I don’t feel like a target at all. The President just did his weekly radio address and said yes I authorized the monitoring of conversations of people with KNOWN links to terrorist groups. They were only overseas calls that were monitored without a warrant. The Justice Dept and the General Counel of the NSC along with the leadership of Congress knew about this and approved it. So once again the initial report is blown way out of proportion

By getalife

December 17, 2005 10:44 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Saturday he personally has authorized a secret eavesdropping program in the U.S. more than 30 times since the Sept. 11 attacks and he lashed out at those involved in publicly revealing the program.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 10:47 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Saturday that senators who are blocking renewal of the terrorism-fighting Patriot Act are acting irresponsibly and standing in the way of protecting the country from attack.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 10:52 AM | Link to this

In the months after 9/11, Woodward writes, Bush was obsessed with the threat of another attack

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 10:54 AM | Link to this

At the bottom of the Michelle Malkin link she quotes the entire text from Mark Levin. I went to the link and found this story right after Levin’s piece.

It has nothing to do with the topic, but it’s pretty funny

Could this be “Marion of Texas’” representative?

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this

Mama Moonbat says President Bush also has poison kisses. Alert the Old Gray Lady.

Suddenly, Sheehan laughs at what seems to be the most inappropriate moment.

“Bush later kissed me on the right cheek,� she says.

“The next day – and I’m not kidding – my right eye swelled up to the size of a golf ball. I told everyone he’d given me some Republican disease.�

By getalife

December 17, 2005 11:27 AM | Link to this

RW, How dare you talk about our President like that. He is a great man, should be on Mt. Rushmore, etc…I could not sleep last night because there is a white van with no windows parked in front of my house.SSSSShhhhhhh… did you hear that.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 11:32 AM | Link to this

Dear NSA, I love the President and the drugs are prescribed by a doctor. Please leave alone.

By candide

December 17, 2005 11:33 AM | Link to this

Sleestak: when you mention Herr Goebbels you mention the respected mentor of George Bush and Karl Rove, the hero of Republican politics who is daily emulated on Fox News and other Fascistic organs.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

Now we know what Bush and Putin were discuussing.

By finch

December 17, 2005 11:39 AM | Link to this

Why are people mischaracterizing the NYTimes scoop on wiretaps?

For example, RW says: “I can just see the NY Times editors sitting around fretting that after they ran with a bogus Iranian ballot story and the elections in Iraq went so well. “We’ve got to get this election off the front page, get Risen and tell him the book is going to have to come out earlyâ€?

I just happen to have the print version of Thursday’s NYTimes at hand. The headline is Iraqis, Including Sunnis, Vote in Large Numbers on Calm Day. The front page (above the fold) has 6 columns. 5 of them are filled with Iraqi related stories. The 6th (in the fold corner) is the wiretap story. How can anyone say, with a straight face, that the Times buried the Iraq voting story?

And as for the Patriot Act renewal? Kudos to the brave Senators, including NH’s John Sununu (GOP) for blocking it’s renewal. It’s an assault on personal freedom.

Sununu demolished Hannity on Fox last night by pointing out (correctly) that under the Patriot Act, your medical records, bank records and financial records can be subpoenaed without your knowledge, and it is a crime to inform someone whose records are under investigation that they are a target.

A cornerstone of Constitutional rights is the right to confront your accuser so you can defend yourself. Secret government enroachments on the right to privacy are the mark of a totalitarian regime, not a democratic government.

Oh yes, and thanks, Mike. Great cartoon.

By finch

December 17, 2005 11:41 AM | Link to this

Actually that was Friday’s New York Times whose front page was dominated by the Iraqi story. Details, details…

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 11:41 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Now you know that was Mama Moonbat speaking. I would have provided the link, but it’s got more spyware on it than the NSA could come up with.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

RW, I got a anti-spyware program but I don’t think it will block the NSA satellites.

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

As far as I can see, all the [usual suspects](http://www.fotosearch.com/DSN110/1766985/ are present and accounted for here today. Obviously the eavesdropping has not proven to be fruitful in our cases. Details will be forthcoming. Did both houses sign off on something they did not agree with. While that one finger points forward, three point back at them.

Reality Check: As much as we do not want to believe it, these capabilities have always been there, and have likely been used by many administrations. In light of this NEW? revelation, just keep your noses clean and your gas masks handy.

My link (pic) covers a “very important” consideration.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You can pick something up here to help with that

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 11:51 AM | Link to this

Oops! do-over

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 11:53 AM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I’m shocked, shocked that you would link to a site with pictures like that. You need to quit hanging out with BigDaddy.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

I got a feeling somebody watching me

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You look a little different than I pictured.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

You talking about that guy in the closet? Thats not me thats Big Daddy.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this

getalife,

So you’re Loretta Swit?

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 12:02 PM | Link to this

Getalife: You and I both. All sorts of wierd things are going on with my connection here. I don’t think anyone could consider me suspicious. Do you? Oh wait a minute, I see you as suspicious! When will it all end?

R.W.: BD (behavior disorder) has given me no indication that he is into “child porn”. I saw it as representative of all of us in our innocent youth, but we still play the same game.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 12:04 PM | Link to this

No, I am more like Rush.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 12:09 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I saw it that way too, I was just trying to generate some interest in your picture.

/note to self: take anti-depressants before talking to Objective Observer

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 12:10 PM | Link to this

Getalife: No…I see you as a little less high-strung. I wonder why? As R.W. will tell you, I am merely here to “observe the human condition”.

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 12:16 PM | Link to this

R.W.: I’m still trying to get a handle on his name. Burly truck driver with C.B.. “Is thet you out thar “Big Daddy”, cmon? Oh the “imagination” a source of all that is good and not so good.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

We could always link a few guesses until he shows up to and tell us.

Maybe this is the key

By getalife

December 17, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

Here is my condition. I had a stroke and my doctors said I should rehab my brain in a program called Information Overload. The idea is to read as much as possible and try to use my brain( what is left of it) to stimulte the dead spot and try to recover. I get a lot of tests and so far, no progress but it does give me something to do. I go to alot of blogs, websites, newspapers, magazines, tv, games and movies.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

Maybe he just eats alot.

The Upper Deck is home to the World-Famous 9 Pound Big Daddy Barrick Burger.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

YEAR: 1976 CB HANDLE: Big Daddy NAME: HOME CH: CALLSIGN: RADIO USED: MICROPHONE: ANTENNA: Super Laser 8 Element Beam Pictures, Recordings and Misc:

I guess he scrubbed the file, but if you scroll past that entry you’ll find BigDummy and BigD

By Stu

December 17, 2005 12:35 PM | Link to this

If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator. —George W. Bush

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 12:36 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Progress can be measured on a wide-scale, and in my opinion is often times overrated. You seem “fast on your feet” here.

R.W.: Are you being “dirty” (right side of site) or attributing “delusions of grandeur” to Big Daddy?

Where is everybody. If they are out shopping in this chaos, they are certifiable. If I have forgotten a present, an apology will have to do. Don’t know how to package it, but I’m creative enough when I have to be.

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 12:43 PM | Link to this

O.K., get back to work guys. Stu is up and he seems to need a lesson in sarcasm.

Hi Stu!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 12:46 PM | Link to this

That Bush is good. I was up all last night trying to catch him sneaking around my yard. I couldn’t find him but I know he’s there; I hear noises! Also, an ominous looking flock of big black birds keep landing in my trees and cackling at me! They are either Bush operatives or members of Candide’s immediate family. They’re watching me!

Merry Christmas, you Bush henchman!

By Stu

December 17, 2005 12:47 PM | Link to this

suck my balls. how’s that for sarcasm?

“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.” —George W. Bush

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I always keep a case of wine and some of those individual Christmas bottle bags around. Makes a quick fix for those no longer forgotten presents.

I don’t think I’ve met Stu and I’m certain I don’t want to wade through transcripts from before President Bush even took office. So I guess Stu can Stew.

By Stu

December 17, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

“I’ve been talking to Vicente Fox, the new president of Mexico… I know him… to have gas and oil sent to U.S…. so we’ll not depend on foreign oil…”

—George W. Bush

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

Stu: Calm down. You seemed like a nice enough fella when you signed on, thus my greeting. The “sarcasm” was G.W.’s. I don’t clearly understand your form of sarcasm. So I guess we both have some work to do.

By Stu

December 17, 2005 12:55 PM | Link to this

“Well, I think if you say you’re going to do something and don’t do it, that’s trustworthiness.”

George W. Bush

By Stu

December 17, 2005 12:57 PM | Link to this

“It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency.”

George W. Bush, June, 2001

By Stu

December 17, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this

“They misunderestimated me.” —George W. Bush

By Craig

December 17, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this

“I’m a tool.” —Stu 2005

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 01:02 PM | Link to this

Stu: Sources for you quotations??? That can be very enlightening.

Andy: Take this one, my field of expertise is philosophical and psychological.

By Stu

December 17, 2005 01:09 PM | Link to this

foreign oil - first presidential debate in 2000

trustworthiness - cnn.com chat in 2000

prosperity - speaking to swedish prime minister June 14, ‘01 but unaware he was being filmed

misunderestimated - his own website

By getalife

December 17, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this

So tell me, what do you think about this Andy character? After reading some comments from people writing about this blog, he is very popular.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this

In the weeks following the terrorist attacks on our nation, I authorized the National Security Agency, consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution, to intercept the international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations. Before we intercept these communications, the government must have information that establishes a clear link to these terrorist networks.

This is a highly classified program that is crucial to our national security. Its purpose is to detect and prevent terrorist attacks against the United States, our friends and allies. Yesterday the existence of this secret program was revealed in media reports, after being improperly provided to news organizations. As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have, and the unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk. Revealing classified information is illegal, alerts our enemies, and endangers our country.

As the 9/11 Commission pointed out, it was clear that terrorists inside the United States were communicating with terrorists abroad before the September the 11th attacks, and the commission criticized our nation’s inability to uncover links between terrorists here at home and terrorists abroad. Two of the terrorist hijackers who flew a jet into the Pentagon, Nawaf al Hamzi and Khalid al Mihdhar, communicated while they were in the United States to other members of al Qaeda who were overseas. But we didn’t know they were here, until it was too late.

The authorization I gave the National Security Agency after September the 11th helped address that problem in a way that is fully consistent with my constitutional responsibilities and authorities. The activities I have authorized make it more likely that killers like these 9/11 hijackers will be identified and located in time. And the activities conducted under this authorization have helped detect and prevent possible terrorist attacks in the United States and abroad.

The activities I authorized are reviewed approximately every 45 days. Each review is based on a fresh intelligence assessment of terrorist threats to the continuity of our government and the threat of catastrophic damage to our homeland. During each assessment, previous activities under the authorization are reviewed. The review includes approval by our nation’s top legal officials, including the Attorney General and the Counsel to the President. I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks, and I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al Qaeda and related groups.

The NSA’s activities under this authorization are thoroughly reviewed by the Justice Department and NSA’s top legal officials, including NSA’s general counsel and inspector general. Leaders in Congress have been briefed more than a dozen times on this authorization and the activities conducted under it. Intelligence officials involved in this activity also receive extensive training to ensure they perform their duties consistent with the letter and intent of the authorization.

This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists. It is critical to saving American lives. The American people expect me to do everything in my power under our laws and Constitution to protect them and their civil liberties. And that is exactly what I will continue to do, so long as I’m the President of the United States. President George W. Bush 12/17/2005

Source Byron York

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this

Yesterday the existence of this secret program was revealed in media reports, after being improperly provided to news organizations. As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have, and the unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk. Revealing classified information is illegal, alerts our enemies, and endangers our country.

Bush might want to check on that one. I believe the pinkos have made it illegal to withhold imformation from our enemies… Or it sure seems like it.

O.K. George, who are you bringing up on treason charges?

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 17, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this

I bet he taped the Democratic conversations to know what they were up to. George Bush stars in Watergate II.

By Bill

December 17, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this

Too bad Bush administration enemies seem to be American CIA agents and citizens. Who knows what might happen if their enemies were NON-Americans.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 01:50 PM | Link to this

Umm, correction:

*Too bad American CIA agents enemies seem to be Bush administration and citizens. Who knows what might happen if their enemies were NON-Americans.

Merry Christmas!

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this

Stu: Since Andy seems to be otherwise occupied, I’ve taken time to review your quotations on a computer that is consistently jammming up.

Relax Stu, all is well!

By Lol

December 17, 2005 02:22 PM | Link to this

“Objective” Observer????

More like ‘Bush is my God Observer’

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 02:45 PM | Link to this

“God forbid that there be a terrorist attack that could have been prevented by the Patriot Act after it has expired,” Sen. Jon Kyl said yesterday after the Senate declined to stop a filibuster of legislation that would have reauthorized the Patriot Act. “If that happens, those who have supported the filibuster will have to answer for it, and the American people will have a very hard time understanding what their objections were.”

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

A message from one of our “theocrats” overseas-

And here’s a missive from one of our Army officers in Iraq, forwarded to me by a reader: “Just a quick election note. On October 15 a little over 8,000 Iraqis voted in western Abu Ghraib. Today over 32,000 voted. What a statement! It will take time and a lot more work, but certainly democracy is taking root in Iraq. God bless America and the U.S. soldiers, and God bless Iraq.�

Merry Christmas and God Bless You Too.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 03:18 PM | Link to this

One Democrat said in response to Bush’s remarks on the radio that Bush was acting more like a king than the elected president of a democracy.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 03:20 PM | Link to this

getalife,

And a Democrat saying that would be different how?

By getalife

December 17, 2005 03:20 PM | Link to this

A state district judge said Saturday he won’t immediately consider separating two criminal charges against Rep. Tom DeLay to allow an early trial, another blow to the former House majority leader’s hopes of regaining his post.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 03:26 PM | Link to this

Whatever you do don’t click to enlarge this picture

By getalife

December 17, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this

Drat!! Now I feel worse. I think I’ll go back to researching why ml’s implication isn’t even in violation of any law. Spin it RW. God Bless the King!

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I’ve read all through the book chapter that the NY Times printed, the Washington Post story, and listened to a bunch of Democrat bloviators.

I still haven’t seen one specific allegation of a crime.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 03:38 PM | Link to this

They said it would have taken about an hour to get a judge to sign off on it but Bush decided to do it on his own. Maybe it is legal, but it does not look good on privacy. Remember this, they want to change the American way of life, so look at all the changes made. This is what Ann should have said to the hecklars

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 03:42 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I bet that parody isn’t too far from the truth. Maybe Fitzgerald can try to find out who leaked this, you guys do like to go after people that leak information about our intelligence gathering, don’t you?

By getalife

December 17, 2005 03:44 PM | Link to this

And think about this. Why do you think the Democrats are so upset? If someone is listening to their conversations, they probably know about their corruption.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 03:47 PM | Link to this

getalife,

True, maybe they know that Chuck Schumer ordered his staff to find Richard Steele’s Social Security number and pull his credit report.

Maybe they know the true reason that Democrats are insisting that the Barrett Commission report never sees the light of day.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this

It is full of possibilities. “I didn’t hear him specify any legal right, except his right as president, which in a democracy doesn’t make much sense,” Bamford said in an interview. “Today, what Bush said is he went around the law, which is a violation of the law — which is illegal.” I think the leak was former NSA officials who were concerned it was being abused.

By M.S.

December 17, 2005 03:53 PM | Link to this

For crying out loud! Didn’t we go through all of that crying and complaining about how this administration could have stopped 911 if only they had done this or that? Now that they are, more whining. Maybe W should do what left wing hero Roosevelt did and throw every one who looks like the enemy into internment camps and be done whith it. Its not as if these people being spied on wern’t suspected of ties to terroist. If you think this sort of thing just started going on in the past few years, you should get your head out of your behind. A hostile press is the difference.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 03:56 PM | Link to this

“I tell you, he’s President George Bush, not King George Bush. This is not the system of government we have and that we fought for,” Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., told The Associated Press.

Added Sen. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), D-Vt.: “The Bush administration seems to believe it is above the law.”

Republican Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on Friday said the NSA program was inappropriate and he promised hearings soon.

By Scooter

December 17, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

As far as this cartoon goes, its typical.

The Elephants should learn how to spin the alleged eavesdropping from the dems. They have been able to spin it so to some, enforcing our 1991 cease fire agreement is a crime and a lie. How did they spin it so that people are complaining the UN Oil for Food Program wasn’t allowed a 13th year to enforce a single resolution? The list of democrats’ misinformation and out right lies to mislead the people is extraordinary. The dems spin it so their constituents don’t even see it.

Bush never said Iraq was an imminent threat. The “mission” was to remove Saddam and his sons from power, which was done when Bush gave the Speech from the deck of the Lincoln. In that speech Bush said much hard work remained in Iraq. But the dems and their loyal minions will repeat these false hoods over and over. Oh yeah, the burden of proof was on Saddam for 13 years and I don’t know how it got but on us. Bush is not perfect but he is taking care of problems rather than letting them fester and passing them of to his predecessor.

Where is Candide?

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:00 PM | Link to this

Oh the humanity! Stop spinning, I’m getting dizzy!

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:08 PM | Link to this

MS must have read this Damn those Patriots look unbeatable today.

By Scooter

December 17, 2005 04:08 PM | Link to this

getalife, sorry brother you are on of the spun. Keep giving those dems and their beloved government the power of dependency.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this

Scooter, I am not a Dem. and am not part of any political party. I am an American who believes in right from wrong. I believe that Americans are so divided because they give their complete loyalty to a party no matter what.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:21 PM | Link to this

Like RW who works for the RNC, just kidding.

By candide

December 17, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

Scooter: when we finish in Iraq (or are finished) the Iraqis will doubtless have a dictatorial ruler no worse than Saddam. All our expenditure and the death of our youngsters shall have been in vain.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

getalife,

See if you can find me here

By finch

December 17, 2005 04:24 PM | Link to this

The Bush administration’s order authorizing domestic wiretaps on phone calls and emails between the US and foreign recipients is in clear violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Under the Act, the NSA or other investigative agency must obtain a court order before engaging in this kind of surveillance. The only exception to the court approval requirement clearly states that the appropriate Congressional committees must be notified at least 30 days before the surveillance begins. The Bush administration ignored these legitimate safeguards against government fishing expeditions.

President Bush broke this law. His claim in today’s radio speech that his actons were “consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution”* is a crock, and probably an impeachable offense.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:29 PM | Link to this

You are the guy in the white shirt

By candide

December 17, 2005 04:29 PM | Link to this

What exactly does it mean to celebrate Christmas as the birth of the saviour? This particular saviour went to his death in the delusional belief that God would save him and Israel. Neither happened. After he has spent 2000 in the grave what salfivic function can celebrating his birth bring? Might as well celebrate the birth of Plato or Julius Caesar.

These are questions moronic Christians never ask. They should be forced to ask and answer some real questions about their fraudulent faith.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

or maybe you are this guy

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 04:33 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I wonder why I’m biting that girl’s head?

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:34 PM | Link to this

or gttim

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 04:35 PM | Link to this

getalife, this is RW

By Scooter

December 17, 2005 04:36 PM | Link to this

Candide, do you think the Iraqi’s are ingrates? They have private property rights now, wheras the mines and sources of raw materials used to be owned by the state. You seem to think the iraqis are going to be ungrateful and still see us as the boogie man. I doubt they will be so quick to kill themselves in order to kill us after we handover our bases.

Candide, I know you think highly of your independent thought and supreme intelligence so tell me something. Why do you have a problem with Bush enforcing the cease fire agreement from 1991?

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:36 PM | Link to this

You are tring to make the President laugh because he had a rough day.

By candide

December 17, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

Some Christian perceptions and their real meaning:

Father forgive them, they know not what they do: this is Jesus’ forgiveness for Paul and John who invented a religion he never preached or even thought of.

Glory to God in the Highest: God is an s.o.b who doesn’t give a damn about the suffering he allows. He f….ed the Jews and now he f…..ks everyone else as well.

Happy Christmas: I hope all knocked up virgins get as good a press as Mary.

By candide

December 17, 2005 04:40 PM | Link to this

Bush 41: he went into Iraq for questionable reasons but he was able to con other nations to pay the bill. He son, a spendthrift, could not even get another corrupt country to throw in their two cents.

Any Bush in the White Haus is intolerable.

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 04:42 PM | Link to this

unless this is RW

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 04:42 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

That looks kind of like Joe Biden’s hair plugs when he gets done.

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 04:42 PM | Link to this

RW is quite the ladies man…

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:43 PM | Link to this

Check RW out at two

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 04:45 PM | Link to this

Shouldn’t that say “Yo, me at 2”?

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 04:46 PM | Link to this

RW is so hardcore, he even eats a sandwich like a stone-cold killa…

By Scooter

December 17, 2005 04:46 PM | Link to this

Questionable reasons? You really have no problem with letting another little Hitler get started up do you. So pretty much you don’t want to address my question because you hate Bush. They have gotten you seriously misinformed and blind with hatred.

Candide, have you kicked a rural idiot today. That would be the tolerant way.

By Objective Observer

December 17, 2005 04:47 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Could that be you herethe purple stuff on her finger, or one of those little purple dots on the map below?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

wench: The Patriot Act supersedes FISA as 911 happened after FISA was implemented. Bush consulted Congress and received their approval for all methods of surveillance. What are you trying to hide? Child porn? Bomb making facility? Your utterly depraved ignorance?

Impeach this.

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

That young lady and I will be sandwich thuggin’ later.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

I think this is RW

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy has quite the food empire

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 04:52 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer, no, I don’t think getalife looks like that. Try to think of something a little more flamboyant, as getalife is the webmaster here

By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:52 PM | Link to this

OO, By getalife

December 17, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this

Scooter, I am not a Dem. and am not part of any political party. I am an American who believes in right from wrong. I believe that Americans are so divided because they give their complete loyalty to a party no matter what.

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 04:54 PM | Link to this

RW, what can I say? BigDaddy likes to eat…

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 04:54 PM | Link to this

The BigDaddy food empire was doing so well he took over the band Havoc and changed the name to……

…..BigDaddy

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 04:55 PM | Link to this

be sure to scroll down on that last link. The third is a personal favorite of mine…

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

You forgot the language alert for Objective Observer on that one.

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

ok gang, gotta run. Big Christmas party - gotta go get kilted up.

Tomorrow we can work on discerning the identity of Objective Observer. I’m going to start by googling hot & horny Christians…

Merry Christmas!

BigDaddy’s a HO! HO! HO!

By Scooter

December 17, 2005 05:00 PM | Link to this

Getalife, The people are divided in the same way they have always been, the haves and the have nots. You seem to not have a problem with the dems pimping dependency to increase their power over the people.

There is certainly enough power in Washington to corrupt anyone, but many people today only hate the republicrats. Are there things you like about both parties and if so what?

By getalife

December 17, 2005 05:07 PM | Link to this

Scooter, I think government should be downsized due to the deficit and should be stop spending money that they have to borrow from other countries. I believe there should be campaign reform and eliminate corruption in Washington and the UN. The government should not take away the freedoms fought for and should focus on our country.

By Scooter

December 17, 2005 05:42 PM | Link to this

Getalife, you have no problem with the tax code being used to divide Americans and create a sense of animosity and envy amongst the poor decision makers? Unfortunately Washington cannot and will not reform itself; we have to take their power away from them. That should start with the tax code that nobody understands and allows politicians to hide favors, penalize hard work and reward ineptitude. What part of that do you have a problem with?

You realize the UN is corrupt, but would you argue the UN should still be making sure Saddam didn’t realize his ambition of reconstituting his WMD programs? If that was the case we would not have known the UN O.F.F. program was corrupt.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 05:42 PM | Link to this

Candide @ 4:29- Allow me to let the Word of God answer your questions-

Proverbs 26:4- Do not answer a fool according to his folly or you will be like him yourself.

Proverbs 26:5- Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.

Proverbs 9:13- The Woman Folly is loud; she is undisciplined and without knowledge.

Let’s see, the liberals guessed wrong on the purpose of their sexual organs, they guessed wrong killing babies as a matter of convenience and they think that you can “evolve” without first being Created.

Decisions, decisions.

Merry Christmas Blessed Lord and Saviour!

By finch

December 17, 2005 05:50 PM | Link to this

Andy, the Patriot Act, like the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, still requires the federal government to either notify select Congressional committees or a federal judge before intercepting phone calls or emails between the US and foreign entities. In this sense, the Patriot Act reinforces FISA. It does not uverride it.

This means the Bush administration still broke the law when it unilaterally approved these phone line and email taps.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 05:52 PM | Link to this

Scooter, The tax code is very complicated and what I read on the flat tax may work but do not know much about it. Bolten at the UN said there needs to be a cultural revolution due to the oil for food program. I believe the same for Washington but the people have to vote it out of Washington and until that happens, it will be the same situation we have today.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 05:59 PM | Link to this

wench: I guess it saves you time reading just the things you want to hear- To fight the war on terror, I am using authority vested in me by Congress, including the Joint Authorization for Use of Military Force, which passed overwhelmingly in the first week after September the 11th. I’m also using constitutional authority vested in me as Commander-in-Chief.

In World War II they would have shot you dead or maybe hanged you by the neck for undermining the authority of the Commander-in-Chief. I would back Bush up if he chose such an action.

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this

And in Dodgeville, Wis., the Ridgeway Elementary School changed the name of “Silent Night” to “Cold in the Night.” Sung to the tune of “Silent Night,” the lyrics were secularized as: “Cold in the night, no one in sight, winter winds whirl and bite, how I wish I were happy and warm, safe with my family out of the storm.”

It’s no big deal, right?

I wonder how the pinkos would reword the Bill of Rights if we let them?

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 06:23 PM | Link to this

Andy,

You’ve got to love the excuse the school in Wisconsin has. They were only performing a play that was written years before.

I guess they didn’t pick that play because the words had been changed and I’m sure the play changed the words for no apparent reason either.

By M.S.

December 17, 2005 06:36 PM | Link to this

Leave it to the left to try to have it both ways.Take the days off work, take the bonus money from work,go to the parties,get the presents then swear its not about a religious celebration. Happy holidays my butt!

By finch

December 17, 2005 06:45 PM | Link to this

The musical performed by students at the Ridgeway Elementary School in Dodgeville, Wisconsin is entitled “The Little Tree’s Christmas Gift”. It was written by Dwight Elrich, currently a choirmaster at the Bel Air Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles.

It’s about a poor scraggly evergreen who fears he’ll never be a Christmas tree. He laments his fate in the song “Cold in the Night”.

The play ends with the little tree happily decorated in Christmas finery, as the cast leads the audience in singing, “We Wish You a Merry Christmas”.

Try as I might, I can’t see why this play is anything but a celebration of the Christmas spirit.

Andy, RW… get your facts straight, please.

Merry Christmas.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 06:49 PM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich, Atlanta’s premier political cartoonist, has a new blog. It’s really a forum in which people are asked to comment on his cartoons. He’s getting his share of snarky wingnut comments and they always seem to be from the same small group of braindead locals. The majority of the comments are from folks who actually have a brain and agree with Mike’s commentary.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 06:50 PM | Link to this

wench: O.K. I’ll give you the whole quote-

*And in Dodgeville, Wis., the Ridgeway Elementary School changed the name of “Silent Night” to “Cold in the Night.” Sung to the tune of “Silent Night,” the lyrics were secularized as: “Cold in the night, no one in sight, winter winds whirl and bite, how I wish I were happy and warm, safe with my family out of the storm.” Just this week, the school changed the policy only after massive public outcry and a campaign by concerned advocacy groups.

So what was the “outcry” over?

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 17, 2005 06:51 PM | Link to this

Terry “Tex” Turner Remember Tex?

By getalife

December 17, 2005 06:55 PM | Link to this

I wonder if she posts here?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 07:03 PM | Link to this

“the folks who actually have a brain and agree with cartoon boy.”

By Marion of Texas

December 16, 2005 07:33 PM | Link to this

Mike, this is right on target! The Bush Machine (led by the ever plotting and smirking Karl Rove) is spinning, spinning, spinning, and the Sheep People (or the Brain-Stem People or the Reptile Brain People) are believing, believing, believing…

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 17, 2005 07:07 PM | Link to this

Andy, you will like her.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 07:15 PM | Link to this

and him

By Geezus

December 17, 2005 07:18 PM | Link to this

Wow, Bush cried “foul” when he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. RW there is not a law that allows ANYONE to listen in on private conversations of an American citizen. Bush told others to do this….Bush broke the law. Even the president is not above the law. I do give him credit, because he finally admitted something. Even though it came exactly one day AFTER he had just said that he will NEVER discuss the specifics of an on-going intelligence gathering operation. SO, it seems he pulled a real fast, quick flip-flop. Of course I’m sure it’s because of media bias … right?

By getalife

December 17, 2005 07:18 PM | Link to this

I think Mike Luckovich is brilliant. This cartoon is in the Sunday edition of the AJC

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 07:19 PM | Link to this

getalife: You had to leave cartoon boy’s page and go scour the internet for goofy Conservative quotes? And it took you eight minutes to find the second one? I thought Conservatives were brain dead?

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 17, 2005 07:21 PM | Link to this

I am moving real slow for some reason and yes I am brain dead.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 07:23 PM | Link to this

Did you write this

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 07:28 PM | Link to this

Geezur,

It that a public service announcement or something?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 07:30 PM | Link to this

getalife, yes I did write that. And I noticed a typo. Where it says -Luckovich is just to the left of Michael Moore please replace that with- Luckovich is just blow Michael Moore. I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused.

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 07:36 PM | Link to this

Let me clear that up for Geezur.

Geezur, change It to Is or Was.

By getalife

December 17, 2005 07:37 PM | Link to this

Of course in Cobb county they refer to him as commie pinko scum! Another one by gttim.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 07:44 PM | Link to this

Nice. getalife’s “TDogg” website consist of one kook pinko and 3 telemarketers giving him a sales pitch. At least the telemarketers know where the suckers are at.

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By getalife

December 17, 2005 07:48 PM | Link to this

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By getalife

December 17, 2005 07:52 PM | Link to this

queerthinktank?

By finch

December 17, 2005 08:21 PM | Link to this

Well, Andy.. I’m guessing that the outcry over “Silent Night/Cold in the Night” resulted when someone took the song completely out of it’s context (a theatrical work celebrating Christmas) and falsely portrayed it, and the play the song was in, as an anti-Christmas production. Bill O’Reilly and his ilk took the bait, and the “School Bashes Christmas” story exploded.

It’s sad that people like O’Reilly, and you, are so damn gullible.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 08:32 PM | Link to this

wench: Wouldn’t it be easier just to say “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!” and just leave it at that?

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 17, 2005 09:16 PM | Link to this

David Hitch, a real man’s cartoonist

Merry Christmas!

By finch

December 17, 2005 09:19 PM | Link to this

A “conspiracy” suggests intelligence and planning. All I see in the “Cold is the Night” flap is a loose confederacy of dunces with a predisposition to herd behavior and too much free time on their hands. It’s sad, really.

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 09:38 PM | Link to this

I guess that scrawny tree is not going to be happy.

School Dumps “Cold in the Night” and Returns to “Silent Night”

That Elrich dude sure does original stuff

By WTH!

December 17, 2005 09:44 PM | Link to this

Finch: Straight from ml’s mouth to your lips. Are the two of you THAT close?

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 10:25 PM | Link to this

This must be why BigDaddy was missing a few days ago

By BigDaddy

December 17, 2005 10:47 PM | Link to this

no, RW, this is why BigDaddy went MIA a few days ago

Hard to blog with pepper spray in the eyes…

By RW-(the original)

December 17, 2005 11:14 PM | Link to this

BigDaddy,

This eye test should let you know if the pepper spray is cleared out

By AntiRadical

December 18, 2005 01:02 AM | Link to this

Great job combining issues of illegal wiretaps, political double-speak, and spin-doctoring in one cartoon.

By Nick Voss

December 18, 2005 03:10 AM | Link to this

Um, this would be funny if it weren’t a bogus story posted in the New York Times that was almost a year old. Also, it would be more legit if it wasn’t by a guy trying to sell a book. I guess true things are funnier. But then, you only hear truth from republicans.

By AntiRadical

December 18, 2005 05:24 AM | Link to this

Since the President got caught red-handed, he is now telling us that he thinks he has the authority to spy on and harrass his political enemies with impunity (Valerie Plame, et al). The administration didn’t out Plame in order to safegaurd national security; they outed her because her husband was deemed a political threat. These new “targets of interest” are probably the same. Lyin’ George cons the American public once again. We heard that “National Security” BS so many times with Watergate you would think that even the dimmest bulb would get a little light.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 06:52 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - A senator on Saturday accused The New York Times of endangering American security to sell a book by waiting until the day of the terror-fighting Patriot Act reauthorization to report that the government has eavesdropped on people without court-approved warrants. “At least two senators that I heard with my own ears cited this as a reason why they decided to vote to not allow a bipartisan majority to reauthorize the Patriot Act,” said Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas. “Well, as it turns out the author of this article turned in a book three months ago and the paper, The New York Times, failed to reveal that the urgent story was tied to a book release and its sale by its author.”

We revealed that for them. Your welcome.

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 07:45 AM | Link to this

Anybody looking for a good laugh should read Cynthia Tucker’s comic screed, which she starts out by proclaiming the so called “war on Christmas” is “trumped up” but then goes on to write a 7000 word hysterical proclamation about the so called “war on Christmas.”

Check out this nugget of information Mother Lib shares with us, her vast pinko knowledge on display- The Constitution protects the rights of the minority but not the majority. I kid you not. (For you hapless pinkos who attended Georgia public school and advance your education by gazing at the pages of the AJC, the Constitution protects the rights of all American citizens regardless of how many elections their political party has lost. If you want to argue this point, feel free.)

Never mind that Big Lib has absolutely no proof whatsoever that any “minority” religions have been oppressed, nor can anyone in this blog show me an example (unless you count the left’s ongoing persecution of the Jews.)

I, on the other hand, can show untold number of cases where Christians have been sued, harrassed, freely impugned by pinkos in the lib media and get blamed for all of the lib idea rejections.

And what would the definition of discrimination be?

Hypocrites.

Merry Christmas!

By candide

December 18, 2005 08:08 AM | Link to this

There is no war against Christmas. But there is something. In the last fifty years America has become more secular, despite polls in which Americans like to pretend they are pious Christians. Compared to when I went to school, sang Christmas carols, heard the bible read and prayed in unison with others — and also listened to bigoted Christian teachers imply that Jews and other evil people were trying to undermine Christianity — there has been a lessened emphasis on religion in much of our life — at least outside of the benighted South and Midwest where ignorance still reigns. Christians understandably can be upset by this and when upset people tend to think they are being victimized by evil forces. The belief in an anti-Christmas campaign is part of this paranoid reaction, understandable but nevertheless mental deranged.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 08:19 AM | Link to this

The Plano, Tex., Independent School District last year banned “Christmas colors,â€? and prohibited students from handing out candy canes and pencils with religious messages on them — even barring parents from exchanging religious Christmas items with other parents. Most troubling of all, at a time when good men and women in uniform are risking their lives for the cause of freedom around the globe, the district prohibited students from writing “Merry Christmasâ€? on cards to soldiers because the phrase might “offend someone.â€?

Well, I’m glad it’s just me then.

Merry Christmas, Candide!

By candide

December 18, 2005 08:21 AM | Link to this

I guess Mike’s cartoon requires an answer to the question: to whom does Bush listen? (Notice the m on whom! That proves I was not educated in Georgia.)

The answer? Perhaps he thinks he listens to Jesus, but rational men know that Jesus is dead and cannot hear. Perhaps his father? Dumb as witless 41 was it would be an improvement, but it seems 43 still resents Poppy. Mama Barbara: she is a real witch, I doubt Dubya gives her the time of day. Maybe those woman around him, Karen Hughes, Harriet Miers, Condi Rice — all intelligent but limited in their ability to speak truth to power. Cheney? Yes, of course. The devil is always listened to. Rumsfeld and his neocons, yes of course.

Bush would of course say that he listens only to Jesus. People who listen to Jesus are the most pathetic of all. Especially since they know nothing about the real Jesus and would reject him if they did.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 08:21 AM | Link to this

More signs of “mental derangement” from the, umm, Conservatives-

Hostility to faith, though, extends well beyond the classroom. Just last week, two Florida cities jointly tried to ban a private display of a nativity scene on public property, only backing down in the face of lawsuits. The ACLU in 2003 filed suit against Cranston City, R.I., challenging a menorah and a nativity scene. In Boston, the city changed the name of the annual Christmas tree to a “holiday tree,� sparking significant criticism in the community.

It’s trumped up, right?

Merry Christmas, Candide/ Cynthia!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 08:26 AM | Link to this

Candide: I’m thankful to God the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth, that Bush doesn’t listen to the United Nations, which you forgot in your list.

Merry Christmas!

By candide

December 18, 2005 08:26 AM | Link to this

As you Christers go off to church today, the fourth sunday of Advent, ready to eat what they tell you is the body and blood of a dead Jew, or to sing saccharine hymns about blood and atonement, or to hear windy preachers with little wisdom expound on the meaning of a passage from Daniel or Revelations, the two craziest books in the bible, or to play a little hanky panky with the choir director in the loft or the educational minister in the office or the priest in the vestiaire — please remember that there are unwed mothers much like Mary around who could use a little help and compassion and who cannot pretend that an archangel came to them to tell them they were really knocked up by God himself. That Zeus sure gets around, eh?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 08:32 AM | Link to this

Candide: We tithe in Church too. Our money has done more to help victims of Katrina then anything that the Feds have given to Ray Nagin or Mary Landreou, which we will never see spent on disaster relief. What size house in Dunwoody did Nagin buy? Ah, the “religion” of government. Let us “pray,” indeed.

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 18, 2005 09:24 AM | Link to this

Please tell your church to rent a helicopter to drop food and water after the next disaster. Her name is Senator Landrieu.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 09:32 AM | Link to this

Huh, did anybody get with Farrakhan about this yet?-

Katrina Killed Across Class Lines The well-to-do died along with the poor, an analysis of data shows. The findings counter common beliefs (exacerbated by the pinko media) that disadvantaged blacks bore the brunt.

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 09:37 AM | Link to this

Mark Steyn speaks, quite you pinkos-

The Iraq election’s over, the media did their best to ignore it, and, judging from the rippling torsos I saw every time I switched on the TV, the press seem to reckon that that gay cowboy movie was the big geopolitical event of the last week, if not of all time. Yes, yes, I know: They’re not, technically, cowboys, they’re gay shepherds, but even Hollywood isn’t crazy enough to think it can sell gay shepherds to the world. And the point is, even if I was in the mood for a story about two rugged insecure men who find themselves strangely attracted to each other in a dark transgressive relationship that breaks all the rules, who needs Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger when you’ve got Howard Dean and Abu Musad al-Zarqawi? Yee-haw!

Merry Christmas!

By John in Mableton

December 18, 2005 09:47 AM | Link to this

SAN DIEGO — There’s controversy over how the military is transporting the bodies of service members killed overseas, San Diego TV station KGTV reported.

A soldier’s family said fallen soldiers and Marines deserve better and that one would think American war heroes are being transported with dignity, care and respect. It said one would think upon arrival in their hometowns they are greeted with honor. But the family said that is just not the case.

Dead U.S. troops are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag — greeted by a color guard. But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners — stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.

http://www.ksat.com/news/5524802/detail.html?rss=ant&psp=news

By candide

December 18, 2005 09:55 AM | Link to this

Our dead soldiers the Bush Administration would rather forget.

Think of the families who will never have a Christmas without heartache and bitterness. They can go to church and pretend that God took their sons and daughters but it would be more honest to blame on the real culprit: Bush/Cheney, that beast from hell.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 09:55 AM | Link to this

John in Mableton: There are so few dead servicemen leaving Iraq it makes no sense to transport them in huge military transports like they had to in the democratic party failure of Vietnam. Besides they are afforded the utmost respect, their coffins draped in the American Flag, a lot of the dearly departed civilians get transported this way.

Merry Christmas!

By Brandon Honeycutt

December 18, 2005 11:01 AM | Link to this

Dear AJC Readers,

as someone who voted for Bush I am concerned about the recent accusations against him by the media. He has done many things that have been good for the security of this country. Americans should wait for the results of an inquiry/investigation by an independent investigator before jumping to conclusions on how he has used the Office of the President’s power to protect us.

Regards,

Brandon Honeycutt

By Jesus

December 18, 2005 11:06 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Michael H.

December 18, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

“Democratic failure in Viet Nam?” Why is it that so many conservatives have no concern with evidence or even possess the concept.

More people died in Viet Nam under Nixon’s presidency than under Kennedy and Johnson. While the democratic party was conflicted and in agony over the war in 1968 causing Johnson to step down, and put forward George McGovern in 1972 who wanted to end the war, what did the Republicans do? They stood Richard Nixon who gave us four more years of war, 30,000 more dead Americans, a settlement with the same terms we could have had four years before, with the collapse of Viet Nam. And then what happened with Nixon?

But I suppose that is “revisionist history” and “liberal media bias.” Conservatives seem to have surrendered their ability to think in order to live in the Alice in Wonderland political fantasy world of Hannity, Coulter, and Limbaugh. Wholly beyond the reach of rational argument.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 12:19 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Alice in Wonderland political fantasy.

Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said he went to bed Thursday night not knowing how he might vote on the Patriot Act. Then he read the New York Times Friday. Why do we need to pay politicians and staff if they are just going to do the bidding of a newspaper?

Harry Reid (D-NV) went out Friday and announced to a cheering crowd of staffers that he had killed the Patriot Act. When asked this morning if that was a good thing, he said it was a tremendous accomplishment to kill that flawed legislation.

He was asked what would happen should we be attacked again because of some crippled intelligence gathering capability. His response was that if the Patriot Act died responsibility would rest squarely on the shoulders of the President.

Wholly beyond the reach of rational argument. Indeed!

By buff

December 18, 2005 12:23 PM | Link to this

Well, at least Lameovich’s cartoon is clever this time. Usually he just attacks the right in a childish manner

The Dems and major media were chortling about Bush getting defeated on the Patriot Act. What was defeated was our nation’s security. How can anyone celebrate that possibility?

My understanding is that the NSA could track an OBL phone call into this country and before they could listen they would have to get a judge’s permission. Is that right?

The leftists in this country so hate the Prez that they would endanger Americans to see Bush lose a few points in the polls.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this

buff,

Where have you been?

btw, They probably don’t realize the Patriot Act was debated for a couple of hours last night, will be again tonight, and a vote may well be taken Monday.

That being said the Dem monolith and a few RINO’s will probably kill it again.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

Between 1940 and 1973, six American presidents from both political parties secretly recorded just under 5,000 hours of conversations

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

Michael H.: Richard Nixon did not start the Vietnam War. He did try to win it, fighting not only the enemy but also a large contingency of pinko peace lovers in the United States. The 30,000 deaths are at the hands of the pinkos for not properly fighting the war from 1963 to 1969, and prolonging it by supporting the enemy from 1970 to 1975. You libs like to have it both ways, don’t you?

Merry Christmas!

By Brian Curtis

December 18, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this

It’s good to see the Patriot Act struck down. Now maybe we can return to having the freedoms that are supposedly guaranteed by the Constitution—that pesky document that keeps getting in the way of national security.

By Dubya

December 18, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this

LISTEN UP! All you under-educated, bottom-dwelling, right-wing rubes. Your failed-at-everything-he-ever-tried alcoholic little Fuhrer and Corn Pone Messiah wil speak this night. If you can manage to work him in neath your baseball caps and sports screens. He will speak of the vast success of Democracy re the voting in Iraq. The spread of freedom throughout the Middle East.
The country that we physically destroyed is now alive and well, reconstructed with and by happy little Iraqis who respect us so. Bush, the tough-talking high school and college cheerleader, will recite this ignoble vomitus mass, and you, the hate-filled rancid masses of our society, will lap it up, quote it, and actually believe it. Pitiful. Just pitiful.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 12:44 PM | Link to this

I just listened to Mr. Murtha on CNN and he said that after the elections in North Vietnam, we lost 38,000 troops. He said the Army is not for nation building and we should redeploy to Kuwait. He said we are in the middle of a civil war in Iraq and let the Iraqis fight for their own democracy. Thank you, Mr. Murtha.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 12:45 PM | Link to this

I shared with my fellow Church members some of the things the AJC and people on this blog think about Christians, like “extreme right wing religious bigots,” “warmongers” and “demagogues” “poised to dynamite the wall separating church and state.” While they were already in a state of good cheer due to the upcoming anniversary of the Birth of the Saviour, needless to say, we shared a deep belly laugh at the expense of you paranoid little pinkos. One lady remarked that the libs must be living in a bubble.

I thought you might like that.

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 01:06 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Is it true that Mothra said we had no business fighting the Revolutionary War, since we speak English anyway?

What are his thoughts on Bosnia? Kosovo?

Does he realize that Bin Laden used us having soldiers based in Saudi Arabia as an excuse for attacks err… criminal actions throughout the 1990’s? Why doesn’t he think Kuwait would be the new excuse?

Has he dropped the idea of basing our QRF teams 4998 miles away in Okinawa?

How you feeling today?

By getalife

December 18, 2005 01:18 PM | Link to this

RW, No, he just talked about Iraq and the President’s wire taps. He did mention Okinawa (bad idea) but it is good to know that someone has learned from past lessons of war. If I wake up in the morning, it is a reason to celebrate. Thanks for asking.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this

I just thought of something, maybe Okinawa is not a bad idea.Does he realize that Bin Laden used us having soldiers based in Saudi Arabia as an excuse for attacks They do not like us being in their land. Like the Australians.

By Midori

December 18, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this

May I ask a question?

What is this “Mothra” nonsense??

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 01:43 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I just read your Mark Steyn link. That was a classic. It’s hard to believe, but Steyn just gets better all the time.

The Democratic Party have contrived to get themselves into a situation where bad news from Iraq is good for them and good news from Iraq is bad for them. And as there’s a lot more good news than bad these days, that puts them, politically, in a tough spot — even with a fawning media that, faced with Kerry and Murtha talking what in any objective sense is drivel, decline to call for the men with white coats but instead nod solemnly and wonder whether Bush is living “in a bubble.”

For more entertainment

By Midori

December 18, 2005 01:48 PM | Link to this

$210 Billion Down the Hole

by Joe Schembrie LewRockwell.com December 17, 2005{/b]

According to the latest estimates, the United States government has spent over two hundred and ten billion dollars on the war in Iraq. How do we put that in perspective?

We could divide $210 billion by 300 million Americans. That would tell us that the war has cost $700 for every man, woman, and child in America.

(How about you? Do you personally feel that you have received seven hundred dollars worth of freedom and security thanks to all the bombs we’ve dropped in Iraq?)

We can also divide the $210 billion by seventy million American taxpayers. That tells us the war has cost $3000 per taxpayer. Are those taxpayers satisfied with the ‘freedom’ from life and limb that our weapons have brought to so many Iraqi children – or would those taxpayers have preferred to ‘selfishly’ spend the money on college tuition and health care for their own children?

But maybe Americans don’t count. President Bush says we will do ‘whatever it takes’ to help Iraq, implying that he’d even sacrifice America to save Iraq. Assuming we all agree with that sentiment, what have the Iraqis received – aside from demolished cities – for our $210 billion dollars?

Well, they haven’t received enough to eat. A visit to a supermarket will confirm that microwave meals can be purchased for a dollar each, and so it is possible to provide a person with three square meals a day for only three dollars a day. The twenty-five million people of Iraq could be fed on $75 million a day, or $27 billion a year. That’s only a small fraction of the $210 billion we’ve spent on Iraq. Yet, amid the ruins created by our violent occupation, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children are malnourished. Apparently, not even fifteen percent of our money is going toward nation-feeding – let alone ‘nation-building.’

cont……….

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/schembrie3.html

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

Midori,

May I ask a question? Yes.

What is this “Mothraâ€? nonsense?? I’m not sure, he sounds disturbed!!

By Midori

December 18, 2005 01:50 PM | Link to this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deanne-stillman/the-tippl…

On Saturday when George Bush admitted that he had authorized extra-judicial wiretapping of citizen phone calls, and said he would do it again, he had just lost the vote on the Patriot Act and was standing in front of a portrait of Teddy Roosevelt on a rearing stallion. That’s because one of his go-to cards is being defiant.

But George Bush is no Teddy Roosevelt. For starters, Teddy Roosevelt made several national parks. George Bush is trying to sell them.

No, George Bush is no Teddy Roosevelt. He’s really the Jack Nicholson character in “A Few Good Men,” minus the military service. You remember - the guy on the wall? Well, fine, we need a guy on the wall. But not when the guy on the wall is a President who, like the Nicholson character, loses it when cornered. When asked by a prosecutor why he did an end-run around the law, the guy blows up: “Because you can’t handle the truth, that’s why!”

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this

Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Thanks Midori, wasn’t Nicholson great as Col. Jessup. Funny how Rob Reiner wanted us to hate his character.

By Midori

December 18, 2005 01:57 PM | Link to this

RW — I’m quite sure he sounds “disturbed” to you.

I assume you are talking about Rep. Murtha.

I suppose he sounded peachy keen before he started speaking his mind about this fiasco in Iraq.

Indeed.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 01:57 PM | Link to this

Well I was browsing the columnists in the Chicago Sun to see what they were saying about the Bush’s wiretaps and low and behold, it was not mentioned. This guy was probably trying but came up blank

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

Midori,

No, it was when he was the first to demand we cut-and-run from Somalia.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 02:01 PM | Link to this

getalife,

That was some fine article by O’rourke, short and to the point.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this

I try to keep an open mind but they could at least spin it like Mike said in his cartoon.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 02:08 PM | Link to this

Midori: The cost of trial lawyers on health care is about $825 per person per year. The $700 you claim is spread over 2.75 years which means the war costs $254.54 per year per capita, provided your link isn’t a bald faced lie which wouldn’t surprise anyone.

That’s not a bad deal considering the alternative is to be incinerated seated at your desk while working. I, for one, will pick up a few extra shares myself for those unable to meet this burden.

Why do the pinkos look the other way over the $825 in tort costs? Because the money winds up getting stuffed into the coffers of the DNC from all of John Edward’s buddies, that’s why. If the dems were getting a cut of the war “profits” they would be calling for the immediate invasion of Iran.

Merry Christmas, you hypocrite pinkos!

By getalife

December 18, 2005 02:11 PM | Link to this

This is a good article on the Iraq elections

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this

Time magazine must have spent this year in a bubble

I love the “People who mattered” section giving Actress Geena Davis a mention for acting

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 02:36 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I’m watching the Saints and Panthers. They just had “Come Back to Louisiana” commercial. It was Mitch Landrieu doing the spot, is he related to Mary Landrieu? Why didn’t the Governor do the commercial?

By getalife

December 18, 2005 02:42 PM | Link to this

I am watching the San Diego and Indy Colts game but I do not know, maybe her husband. They have a commercial for levee board reform.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 02:44 PM | Link to this

getalife,

The commercial says he’s the Lt. Governor.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 02:51 PM | Link to this

Oh. I have been here about a month to rehab and then going to spend some time with my brother in Dallas, Texas. Then, I will move back to my home town of Las Vegas.

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

If George W. McCarthy could hang this off on the NYTimes, don’t you think this would’ve already happened? In this case, silence (from the White House) is deadly. McBushy ACTUALLY believes that the process of outing HIS illegal was illegal, but not the fact that his ORDER violated the US CONSTITUTION and is illegal. Congress did NOT VOTE on this order. McBushy renewed it 30 times. Warrants are easy enough to obtain (ask BigDaddy???…lol). NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Cheney is quiet because he is prepping to take over.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 02:57 PM | Link to this

Oh no, not Cheney.

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 02:59 PM | Link to this

You get what you pay for…lol. Plus, Empeaching McBushy gives the Dems no more control…that’s what is funny to me. All the Dems are crying about empeachment when it will do NOTHING to improve their position. AND when the next elections roll around, they will find a way to screw-up THAT momentum anyway.

By Miked

December 18, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

I want to know where the outrage and calls for impeachment are ffrom the “Christians” on this. W has lied, spied killed over 3,000 Americans and people follow him like he was “god”. Clinton gets in big trouble for a sexual encounter but at least no one died. This country has become a laughing stock our great economy can’t provide jobs but all the executives(Bush supportres) can drive companies into bankruptcy and walk away with millions, but to balace the budget and keep the war going Medicaid, school loans are cut. The whole administration should be put out to pasture immediately.

By Miked

December 18, 2005 03:01 PM | Link to this

I want to know where the outrage and calls for impeachment are ffrom the “Christians” on this. W has lied, spied killed over 3,000 Americans and people follow him like he was “god”. Clinton gets in big trouble for a sexual encounter but at least no one died. This country has become a laughing stock our great economy can’t provide jobs but all the executives(Bush supporters) can drive companies into bankruptcy and walk away with millions, but to balace the budget and keep the war going Medicaid, school loans are cut. The whole administration should be put out to pasture immediately.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 03:05 PM | Link to this

Geezur,

George W. McCarthy If President Bush was tapping fully domestic conversations, wouldn’t J. Edgar Hoover be a better analogy?

outing HIS illegal was illegal, This morning none other than Harry Reid said the leaker in this case should be fully prosecuted. (I don’t think he meant to say it, but he did.)

Cheney is busy now

By getalife

December 18, 2005 03:15 PM | Link to this

Miked made a very good point. Am I seeing double?

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 03:20 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It must be in the reading, I don’t see a single good point in either Miked post.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

What about this pointThe whole administration should be put out to pasture immediately

By Semper Fi

December 18, 2005 03:35 PM | Link to this

There has never been an American political party so hell bent on being defeated, as the democrats.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 03:47 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It’s been tried

By finch

December 18, 2005 03:50 PM | Link to this

Andy, I agree that the $875/year each American spends on health care trial lawyers is outrageous. It’s time to junk the hugely inefficient tangle of for-profit insurance companies, HMOs, hospitals and clinics, and switch to a single payment government regulated universal health care system.

It was the Republicans who began the US involvement in Vietnam, starting with Dwight Eisenhower’s 1956 pledge of military assistance. It’s a real shame the South Vietnamese, supported by as many as 650,000 US troops couldn’t defeat North Vietnam, which, while getting material support from China and Moscow, had absolutely no ground forces in Vietnam. The war was Saigon’s to win. It didn’t want to. Losers.

To this day, I have little love for South Vietnam’s former leaders. They sucked their country dry, sacrificed 54,000 Americans, and then pulled a classic cut and run. What was the point in defending people who were too lazy and corrupt to defend themselves against an enemy that was truly ready to die for what they believed in? Answer: none.

Thankfully, Iraqis appear willing to fight for their freedom. And vote for it, too. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. For now.

Merry Christmas.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 03:51 PM | Link to this

A message from the troops: Shouts of “hooah!” from the audience interrupted Cheney a few times, but mostly the service members listened intently. When he delivered the applause line, “We’re in this fight to win. These colors don’t run,” the only sound was a lone whistle.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

I watched her this morning, there is one cadidate running who said he will do what Jesus would do.“We should have been fighting the enemies that attacked us at home on 9/11,” said Major Tammy Duckworth, appearing on ABC’s “This Week.” “We should have been out there trying to catch Osama bin Laden.”

By Midori

December 18, 2005 04:11 PM | Link to this

This is how well we are doing in Iraq.

Keep that good news coming!!!

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHENEY?SITE=…

“…His next visit was to Taji Air Base, where he saw tanks that Iraqis had rebuilt and watched while they practiced a vehicle sweep at a security checkpoint.

U.S. forces guarded Cheney with weapons at the ready while Iraqi soldiers, **who had no weapons, held their arms out as if they were carrying imaginary guns.”

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 04:26 PM | Link to this

wench: That’s one hell of a stretch, from the Reublicans offering assistance in 1956 to the French all the way to the democrats unilaterally escalating the conflict in 1965. It’s the Republicans fault, eh?

So this means that the war in Iraq isn’t Bush’s fault, it is in fact the fault of Bill Clinton for offering assistance to the Kurds in 1992. O.K. I’ll buy that, it’s a pretty even trade.

Peak US troop strength - 543400 Just type that in as a question, dude, you won’t have to guess at 650,000, like you did. You should also type in “The year of our Lord 1975” and read about how the South Vietnamese gallantly fought on several fronts until they ran out of supplies because the pinko U.S. Congress refused their funding. Just the facts, mam.

Merry Christmas!

By RE

December 18, 2005 04:52 PM | Link to this

Support the troops, Vote for them in the next election.

and yes, most are running as democrats

By finch

December 18, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

cAndy, the French surrendered Vietnam to the Viet-Minh at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, two years before Eisenhower pledged military assistance. Don’t you remember? Thought not.

Yes, the “gallant” Vietnamese, those who weren’t planning to open liquor and sporting goods stores in LA and DC after cutting and running from their homeland, collapsed in 1975, barely a year after the US cessated operations. For nearly 2 decades, the ARVN had propped itself up with American money and blood. They disintegrated from a lack of loyalty, committment and courage… not from a lack of US support.

Just the facts, miss.

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 05:29 PM | Link to this

wench: In the spring of 1972, with only 6000 US combat troops remaining in South Vietnam- meaning that the South fought for over 3 years on their own before they were defeated.

Johnson, democrat, Texas, lost this war just as sure as Howard Dean would lose Iraq if given the opportunity. He micro managed the battle plan and tip toed around the Communists, when the North should have been occupied no later than early 1965.

Why do pinkos feel the need to revise history? Oh, that’s right, they want to cover up their humiliating losses down through the years. I don’t blame them.

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 05:37 PM | Link to this

RW: I missed the earlier post about Time’s persons of the year. Isn’t that ridiculous? Bono? For his African dictator enrichment program? For prolonging the suffering of starving African children because he diverted attention away from the real problems? Does the left and the pinkos at Time get off on the thought of dead African children?

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 05:43 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I thought they hated Bill Gates when he was making that money.

The People that matter section is as good

The CIA got named, well partially

Wasn’t this proved false in time to stop publication?

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 05:47 PM | Link to this

By the way, while everyone is wading through the rice paddies of Vietnam could someone find the link to John Kerry’s complete military records?

I’m most interested in when his dishonorable discharge was changed.

By Tex

December 18, 2005 05:53 PM | Link to this

Well now - another childish, pathetic, desperate performance. Bush commandeering the the news outlets. Cheney in a “surprise” heroic visit to Iraq. A place where we have guaranteed an inevitable civil war. We will be told we are “staying the course.” “Winning.” Making vast positive contibutions. “Progress.” Loved by Iraqis. Not “retreating.” Not being “defeated.” The usual garbage that the mindless Republiscum injest so readily. Bush, Cheney, Rice, the lot of them - should be tried - then hanged in a convenient public locale. And soon.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 05:56 PM | Link to this

Tex,

Do they have to be guilty of anything or just tried and hanged?

By Midori

December 18, 2005 06:12 PM | Link to this

*By the way, while everyone is wading through the rice paddies of Vietnam could someone find the link to John Kerry’s complete military records?

they are in the same place as Bush’s.

so I guess when we find Bush’s, we’ll find Kerry’s. Eh?

By finch

December 18, 2005 06:15 PM | Link to this

I think John Kerry’s Navy discharge records have run off with George Bush’s Air National Guard service records.

And what’s with the wingnut fixation on Kerry? Or Clinton, for that matter? Could they be part of the feeble attempt to divert attention from President Bush’s (lack of) leadership skills? Hmmmmm?

cAndy, the Iron Curtain crowd’s pathetic attempts to blame the fall of Vietnam on Democrats is without foundation. Richard Nixon campaigned on a “secret plan” to end the war in 1968 after Americans realized that continued support of the corrupt, greedy and venal Saigon government was simply throwing good money after bad, and good Americans into Arlington National Cemetery.

Invade and seize North Vietnam in 1964 (to control in in “early 1965”)? Good heavens, what are you smoking? Did you really want to directly confront China and Moscow less than 2 years after the Cuban missle crisis? Had you been born yet? Do you realize how fragile the nuclear deterrent based peace was? I’m glad you weren’t in a position of authority. The survivors of the resulting nuclear Armageddon would be living in caves today.

Meanwhile, RW you are right. Bono is no more worthy of Time’s MOTY than Larry King.

Merry Christmas!

By Whatablast

December 18, 2005 06:22 PM | Link to this

How many Bush officials to screw in lightbulb?

Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are a delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect.

Why do you hate freedom?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 06:22 PM | Link to this

RW: I knew that Time hasn’t cared about their credibility for quite awhile now, but this is like writing an obituary for it. This is the kook year in review edition. I wonder if the adults in the liberal establishment have just given up and let the crazies take over? Don’t they realize that this issue won’t just dissolve into thin air when Wilson is busted and we win the war in Iraq?

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 06:26 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Actually President Bush signed standard form 180, John Kerry refuses to.

Just thought I’d ask while the Vietnam topic was alive, John F’n Kerry is finished anyway.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 06:28 PM | Link to this

WhatABlast: How many pinkos does it take to screw in the light bulb? We don’t know; they are still assessing the environmental impact of disposing of the burned out one. They’ll fall asleep soon and the Conservatives will fix it.

Merry Christmas!

By candide

December 18, 2005 06:29 PM | Link to this

Common decency demands that we stop making fun of Cindy Sheehan. Only someone who has lost a child or a young person can understand her immense pain. Perhaps she is not sophisticated, not savvy, not all that bright either, none of which is a crime. The only crime here is the Bush policy of making war without reason or justification. So even if Ms. Sheehan can be manipulated by others, even if she says dumb things, let’s give her a pass. But let’s not give Bush/Cheney a pass. They need to be taken out.

Cindy just needs a hug.

By candide

December 18, 2005 06:31 PM | Link to this

There is a long, respectable conservative tradition from Edmund Burke to the present. The people called conservative today, however, are just rapacious, ignorant, selfish idiots who are more fascists than conservatives. They need to be taken out as well.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 06:34 PM | Link to this

candide,

The only thing that resembles common decency in any of your venom is the fact that you managed to type the two words in a sentence.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 06:40 PM | Link to this

wench: The War Powers Resolution (P.L. 93-148) was passed over the veto of President Nixon on November 7, 1973, to provide procedures for Congress and the President to participate in decisions to send U.S. Armed Forces into hostilities.

Peace talks continued between the North and the South until the day in 1975 when Congress cut off U.S. funding. The Communists walked out of the talks and never returned. Without U.S. funding, South Vietnam was quickly overrun. We saved a mere $297 million a year and in the process doomed South Vietnam, which had been ably fighting the war without our troops since 1973.

Both of these acts of treason were carried out by a democratically controlled Congress, better known as the American Dark Ages.

Let me guess, it’s the Republicans fault?

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 06:49 PM | Link to this

candide: No one is making fun of Cindy, far from it, we are just embarrassed as Americans. It’s just sad the way the left sticks their microphones into this seriously disturbed woman’s face. It is morbid but what else do you expect from the pinkos?

Merry Christmas!

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 07:05 PM | Link to this

Wow, the way Finch and cAndy are punching, I half expect to hear some “paint it black” by the Stones in the background (Vietnam reference for the youngin’s).

Good joke whatablast (weak follow-through cAndy)

Deafening silence from the RW spin machine…..hmmmmmm….(Hannity and Limbaugh weren’t on today) …. hhmmmmmmmmm……(I wonder if suddenly those opinions and links appear tomorrow) …….hmmmmmmm……….

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 07:29 PM | Link to this

Geezur,

I responded to your last post here

I’m not sure what you want. You say President Bush is guilty of a crime, I read everything and haven’t found any charges.

Paragraph 9, paragraph 9,…. Do you own Myna birds by chance?

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 07:35 PM | Link to this

So I need to go ahead and perma-link here when you crank up the BS machine tomorrow? You’re all about piling on Dems when the hint of any wrong-doing is in the air, but you refrain from that behavior when the corpse of Re-pube wrong-doing is laying on the floor at your feet?

By WTH!

December 18, 2005 07:53 PM | Link to this

What are you leftists thinking? You keep running head first into that brick wall (Andy), while R.W. smacks you in the a* with a paddle, causing you to bump your head again. Insanity or stupidity?

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 07:55 PM | Link to this

Geezur,

Is that last post directed to anyone or is it some bizarre accusation that pits Geezur against the rest of this blog?

I’m pretty sure a casual reader would be able to tell that there isn’t some blanket agreement here.

Why look! You even noticed that in your 7:05 post.

By Objective Observer

December 18, 2005 07:59 PM | Link to this

R.W.: Where is Getalife? He hasn’t posted since around 4:00.

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 08:02 PM | Link to this

RW (for clarification):

Yes, that was directed at you. I simply do not understand why you seem to be unwilling to say anything negative about W. Edgar McHoover-Bushie (tried to get them all in). Is it against your contract?

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 08:12 PM | Link to this

Geezur,

At least you’re getting the analogy right. I kind of like W. Edgar McHoover-Bushie.

I have said dozens of times that President Bush’s spending is outrageous. I’m not about to say that if Bin Laden called someone in New York you have to hang up and get a warrant for the guy in New York.

I believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I’m certainly not going to say someone is guilty because Geezur and finch say so without even pointing to a charge. Even the New York Times & Book Seller admitted that there were no domestic to domestic intercepts.

I don’t have a clue what you mean about pre-judging Democrats, with the exception of John Kerry who I believe committed treason.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 08:15 PM | Link to this

Objective Observer,

I don’t know, he does tend to go away for a few hours at a time. Maybe the medications.

By finch

December 18, 2005 08:21 PM | Link to this

Thanks for underscoring my point, cAndy. Without massive US monetary and manpower support, the ARVN was worthless. It didn’t believe in what it was supposed to be fighting for, so it didn’t fight.

On the other had, the NLF and the North Vietnamese did want to fight. They had never needed to use foreign ground forces to match both the ARVN and the US military. The main tragedy of the ARVN defeat in 1975 is that, but for massive transfusions of American money and blood over nearly 2 decades, it would have happened years sooner.

At least the “new” Iraqi Army shows an inclination to fight for freedom and democracy, and against political and religious extremists. There is hope. But if I see signs there of the greed and corruption that was endemic in Saigon pre-1975, all bets are off. South Vietnam was born to lose, and did just that.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 08:26 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why Bush is going to waste our time tonite with some speech. You know he’s going to say all kinds of squishy things so that the libs don’t spaz out so much. It doesn’t make a difference anyway, the only thing he could tell these kooks that they’ll accept is “I resign.” He should come out and have fun, “Listen up you pinkos, blow me. Next one of you traitors questions my authority, I’ll have you hanged by the neck until you are almost dead and then I’ll give you to Dick Cheney.”

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 08:33 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Maybe he could do an updated version of that Reagan mic test. “Fellow Americans Iran has become increasingly hostile, bombing begins in five minutes. Good night and God Bless America.”

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 08:35 PM | Link to this

wench: That’s not much of a counterpoint, if it weren’t for massive amounts of US monetary support our Army would be worthless. What did you expect the South to do; have a rice cake sale?

In the early 70’s there were no NLF or NVA left on the battlefield; Westmoreland killed 1.4 million of the little buggers, the pinko peace lovers forced him to stop and let the North regroup.

If the U.S. had gone to Vietnam to win, had Johnson been a real man like Bush, maybe the South would have had a reason to participate in their own survival. With Viet Cong cadre in your village at night, I doubt if you would want to be the mayor during the day, either.

Merry Christmas!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 08:47 PM | Link to this

ABC news loses war

Just to show their solidarity with Mothra and Dean.

Merry Christmas!

By finch

December 18, 2005 09:01 PM | Link to this

Sorry, cAndy. You say that in the early 70s there were no NLF or NVA on the battlefield? Once again those pesky facts get in the way:

January 27, 1973 - The Paris Peace Accords are signed by the U.S., North Vietnam, South Vietnam and the Viet Cong. Under the terms, the U.S. agrees to immediately halt all military activities and withdraw all remaining military personnel within 60 days. The North Vietnamese agree to an immediate cease-fire and the release of all American POWs within 60 days. An estimated 150,000 North Vietnamese soldiers presently in South Vietnam are allowed to remain. Vietnam is still divided. South Vietnam is considered to be one country with two governments, one led by President Thieu, the other led by Viet Cong, pending future reconciliation.

But enough of history. Let’s sit back and watch President Bush’s speech. You and RW may be surprised to learn that I think his secret wiretaps, while sneaky, were probably legal. Barely. He’d have firmer ground if he’d taken his cases to the secret federal court empaneled to hear such wiretap claims. But instead he took his case (secretly) to members of Congress, including Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Jay Rockefeller. I gotta ask. What the heck is Bush smoking?

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 09:01 PM | Link to this

*The top Democrat declined to explain why he didn’t raise objections when he was first briefed on the spy program that suddenly has Democrats and the media up in arms.8

By Midori

December 18, 2005 09:08 PM | Link to this

NewsMax has the credibility of:

A. Alfred E. Neuman.

B. Crazy Guggenheim.

C. Joe Izuzu.

E. George W. Bush.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 09:11 PM | Link to this

or

D. Midori?

By buff

December 18, 2005 09:15 PM | Link to this

Midoru/Candide/heavenly/Malachi

You say over $200 billion lost in Iraq. What about $6.6 trillion in 40 years of class warfare asset redistribution projects that have caused more people to live in dependence?

But, that is OK. You leftists want people dependent on the govt. right?

By finch

December 18, 2005 09:27 PM | Link to this

Buff-

But how about the $400 gazillion over 12 years of Reagan/Bush41 and 5 years of Bush43 in compound interest on the deficit and aggregate tax relief totals for the rich, all at the expense of middle and working class families?

See, I can throw out numbers without documentation, too!

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 09:28 PM | Link to this

wench: the pinko peace lovers forced him to stop and let the North regroup. Don’t pick and choose from my statements just because your argument is so weak.

Why keep denying the obvious. Your pinko hero Murtha is trying to resurrect the losing strategy of Nam, withdrawing from strongpoints and negotiating with the losers. If you don’t learn history you will be doomed to repeat it, unless, of course, the Conservatives are still in charge.

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 09:31 PM | Link to this

Saturday finch:

President Bush broke this law. His claim in today’s radio speech that his actons were “consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution� is a crock, and probably an impeachable offense.

Sunday finch:

You and RW may be surprised to learn that I think his secret wiretaps, while sneaky, were probably legal.

By grant

December 18, 2005 09:42 PM | Link to this

Wickedly funny…and bang on!

By finch

December 18, 2005 09:45 PM | Link to this

RW, you are absolutely right. Unlike President Bush, who as we all know never makes mistakes, I’m flexible and react logically to new information.

Yesterday, I believed that President Bush had broken the law. Now, knowing that he DID inform members of Congress, including Democrats, of the wiretaps on international calls and emails, I’m open to the possibility that, indeed, he did NOT act illegally.

I changed my mind because, unlike Mr. Bush and so many of his supporters, I read newspapers, watch TV, and scan blogs. I am also flexible, open to new ideas and information, and able to adjust my opinions accordingly.

It’s called maturity.

However, I am still at a loss to understand why he didn’t seek permission from the federal court set up for this very purpose (authorizing wiretaps), and instead, revealed them to a select bipartisan group of lawmakers.

Meanwhile, it’s 9 above in Chicago and the Bears and Atlanta are tied 3-3. Football the way it was meant to be played!

By Semper Fi

December 18, 2005 09:50 PM | Link to this

Right on Andy, if Bush were Prez during Nam, we would have won. Generals would have conducted the war and polls would have been ignored. It would have been a victory with half the lives lost. Liberal punks elongated the war causing thousands of GI lives.

Merry Christmas

By buff

December 18, 2005 09:50 PM | Link to this

finch, you add nothing to this blog

finch, what is a “working family?” My wife and I both work, make good money, but, are we a “working family?” Just leftist’s emotional buzz words, i.e. Dickie Gephardt, John, the ambulance-chaser Edwards, Swimmer Kennedy, et at.

And, if you think that in the last 40 years we haven’t spent over $6 trillion on some forms of welfare, then, you are not worthy of response

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 09:55 PM | Link to this

finch,

I wouldn’t call having a default position that someone is guilty of an impeachable offense and modifying that position to a possibility of innocence logical, but it is in fact flexible.

I left you this before

I don’t suppose you’re upset that it is now 6-3 Bears.

By FLOYD R. TURBO, REPULICUN MERCUN

December 18, 2005 09:57 PM | Link to this

I jus saw a beeooteful talk by r belovud Presdunt. He always shos us how intellgunt he is. Merca has won thee war! We have dun whut Geesussa culdunt do. Changud millions uv haturs intoo bruthurs and r allies. I and all Publucuns knew we wood win! Jus takes a few hunturs with guns! Let us all pray for r Presdunt an his fathur, thee Navy’s most famus pilut, “Bailout Bush.” I am so proud to be a Mercun in these times. God bless Merca!

By finch

December 18, 2005 09:58 PM | Link to this

buff, you add nothing to this blog.

And if you can pick trillion dollar numbers out of your hat, making up “facts” as you go along, well so can I!

However, you are a working family, by your definition and mine, and for that at least, I respect you.

By buff

December 18, 2005 10:01 PM | Link to this

Floyd/candide/midori/heavenly/malachi:

lithium, baby, lithium

By Semper Fi

December 18, 2005 10:01 PM | Link to this

Was that Pink Floyd or Pinko Floyd?

By Semper Fi

December 18, 2005 10:06 PM | Link to this

A German poll was discovered today dated 1945:

97 percent of Germans did not like the presence of US troops(the 3 percent were Jews not yet executed)

By getalife

December 18, 2005 10:09 PM | Link to this

Looks like Vick is freezing out there and could not wait to get in that warm locker room.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 10:13 PM | Link to this

Semper Fi,

That was pinko Floyd.

This is:

Pink Floyd Comfortably Numb

Hello?

Is there anybody in there?

Just nod if you can hear me.

Is there anyone home?

Come on, now.

I hear you’re feeling down.

Well I can ease your pain,

Get you on your feet again.

Relax.

I need some information first.

Just the basic facts,

Can you show me where it hurts?

There is no pain, you are receding.

A distant ship’s smoke on the horizon.

You are only coming through in waves.

Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re sayin’.

When I was a child I had a fever.

My hands felt just like two balloons.

Now I got that feeling once again.

I can’t explain, you would not understand.

This is not how I am.

I have become comfortably numb.

Ok.

Just a little pinprick.

There’ll be no more …Aaaaaahhhhh!

But you may feel a little sick.

Can you stand up?

I do believe it’s working. Good.

That’ll keep you going for the show.

Come on it’s time to go.

There is no pain, you are receding.

A distant ship’s smoke on the horizon.

You are only coming through in waves.

Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re sayin’.

When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse,

Out of the corner of my eye.

I turned to look but it was gone.

I cannot put my finger on it now.

The child is grown, the dream is gone.

I have become comfortably numb.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 10:15 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Maybe Vick is comfortably numb.

Objective Observer will be happy you posted.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 10:17 PM | Link to this

That brings back memories. I must have listened to that album a thousand times.I have become comfortably numb. Yes indeed.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 10:23 PM | Link to this

getalife,

We have something in common, I’ve become comfortably numb a thousand times and I’m sure I’ve listened to the album.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 10:23 PM | Link to this

Did anybody figure out why Bush did not get a court order for the wiretaps? Or does he need one in a time of war?

By Dusty

December 18, 2005 10:39 PM | Link to this

RW,

Keep up the good work. I heard the president tonight. We are very fortunate to have him.

G’nite.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 10:42 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

He was great tonight, which means fun and games here tomorrow. Goodnight!

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 10:43 PM | Link to this

I think Dusty forgot the last part: “… still in office.”

By Scott

December 18, 2005 10:45 PM | Link to this

Hot dang! Floyd, you said all that needs to be said. It don’t git no better’n that.

By buff

December 18, 2005 10:46 PM | Link to this

get, what about that bizarre play: Grossman to a pick by Carpenter, who funbles and da’ Bears score, wow, gotta luv the NFL

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 10:47 PM | Link to this

Flip:

Don’t lump me in with Jack Abramoff. This is a Republican scandal,” Reid told Fox News Sunday, saying he never received any money from Abramoff.

Flop:

Appearing on Fox TV, Reid said, “Abramoff gave me no money. His firm gave me no money. He may have worked (at) a firm where people have given me money.”

Did I do that right, missuz?

Merry Christmas!

By getalife

December 18, 2005 10:49 PM | Link to this

buff, I know, I thought we had an interception. Vick needs to complete some passes but Urlacher is awesome today.

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 10:54 PM | Link to this

buff,

Only finch could be happy about that play.

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 10:55 PM | Link to this

No cAndy, you missed the most important part… CREDIBLE sources. But at least you’re trying to educate yourself.

Happy ChristmaHonnaKwanzica!

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 10:57 PM | Link to this

Yeah, I see that Clemson education is really paying off for the fridge.

By getalife

December 18, 2005 10:58 PM | Link to this

Man, Urlacher is having fun tonight. He just crushed our strongest runner.

By buff

December 18, 2005 10:59 PM | Link to this

urlacker for Prez, sheesh, what a stud, reminds me of me, well, in my dreams…..

By Geezus

December 18, 2005 11:02 PM | Link to this

By buff

December 18, 2005 10:59 PM | Link to this

urlacker for Prez, sheesh, what a stud, reminds me of me, well, in my dreams…..

….(awkward, uncomfortable silence)….

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 11:03 PM | Link to this

How is this guy causing the Falcons problems?

By getalife

December 18, 2005 11:05 PM | Link to this

I was watching that turnover, their defense is too much tonight.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 11:05 PM | Link to this

missuz: Do I have to get the picture with the moving lips for you too?

Merry Christmas!

By finch

December 18, 2005 11:06 PM | Link to this

I’m so ambivalent about this game. If the Bears win, my Atlanta born wife will beat me. If the Falcons win, I’ll never see a Bears game with my brother again.

Oh the horror… the horror…

It IS a pretty good game, though. +9F. True football weather.

By Baha

December 18, 2005 11:08 PM | Link to this

By getalife

December 18, 2005 11:10 PM | Link to this

She is in my dreams.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 18, 2005 11:10 PM | Link to this

Not a good idea to get the Bears fans fired up, Jim. You might want to chill.

P.S. Welcome back, Rex. Go Bears!!!!!!

(wench is a wishy washy Bears fan.)

Merry Christmas!

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 11:17 PM | Link to this

I guess San Fran Nan wasn’t impressed. After all President Bush didn’t surrender.

By Semper Fi

December 18, 2005 11:17 PM | Link to this

Ditto Baha

By Midori

December 18, 2005 11:39 PM | Link to this

*Plain and simple. President Bush has the awesome burden of proctecting my life, my families lives………the American way of life. If the freedom of a few must be sacrificed to save the lives and freedom of the masses……than let it be don.

Just so long as it’s not a hurricane.

I’m just sayin’

Maybe next time he can eavesdrop on one of them, huh?

By RW-(the original)

December 18, 2005 11:43 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Do you know of a way to turn away a hurricane?

I’m just askin’

We do fly into them to eavesdrop, ya’ know?

By Spike

December 19, 2005 12:33 AM | Link to this

The man is incredible. A dangerous, sick, pathetic chunk of scum who appeals to the lowest element of society. A laughing stock for most of America. An absolute laughing stock for all the rest of the world. And has taken this country down with him. These large TV’s are no good. One’s hands automatically slowly reach out to crush his lying throat.

By Pal

December 19, 2005 12:40 AM | Link to this

Oh wow. Real sports talk from real tough, cap-wearin’ guys who dream of fondling the units of the “big boys” in the locker room. Some things just never change.

By Ricky

December 19, 2005 07:51 AM | Link to this

The Democratic Party Platform: The economy is terrible, we are losing the war in Iraq, global warming is going to destroy us, Bush is a liar, taxcuts are bad, and our future is terrible. Now there’s a platform that will win elections.

By AntiRadical

December 19, 2005 08:08 AM | Link to this

Well today in America our Congress can’t make up its’ mind “when” it’s ok to torture POWs (not “if” only “when”). Of course that depends on “what your definition of” torture is (remember that one all you Clinton fans) or maybe “what your definition of” POW is (soldiers must be officially sanctioned in order to have HUMAN rights afterall). Insurgents are demons and not at all real human beings with children and families that have been dealt their own measure of injustice (or does anyone really think they just got up one morning and said “It looks like a good day to pi**-off the USA”). Cartoon perfectly illustrates the current atmosphere of “double-think” pervasive in America today. Anything (and I mean anything) is ok as long as we can justify it with a cutesy sound-bite and good poll numbers. Republicans can emulate the Democratic “mealy-mouths” all they wish. Torture is efficient, can definitely save American lives, and is/has been/& always will be WRONG!!! We used to be a better society than that.

By Scooter

December 19, 2005 08:10 AM | Link to this

It ceratinly is astonishing how a platform of criticism and hind sight passes off as intelligent debate amongst our liberal superiors. Support the Fair Tax and give the power back to the people.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2005 08:26 AM | Link to this

Gosh, Georgie, I hope you have been listening in at my house. When your name comes up the debate becomes so colorful.

If I could get on the eavesdropping list and O’What’s His Names enemies list my Christmas dreams would come true.

By Ricky

December 19, 2005 08:28 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, Bill Clinton was listening to you too. Check out Newsmax.com, good story on Clinton using the NSA the same way

By AntiRadical

December 19, 2005 08:30 AM | Link to this

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Clinton is no better than Bush. What a great compliment for both!

By Geezus

December 19, 2005 08:34 AM | Link to this

Interesting, a person must be classified as a soldier to be afforded civil treatment? Yet we invade Iraq under the quise of “human rights violations” (only after this administration could’nt - dispite its best efforts) conjure up a solid connection between Saddam and 9/11)?

By Scooter

December 19, 2005 08:47 AM | Link to this

We invaded Iraq to enforce Our 1991, UN cease fire agreement with Iraq, It was that agreement that placed the burden of proof on Saddam to disclose the whereabouts of the WMD’s that he had in 1991. The UN was made to look inept by their abismal enforcement measures, their monitoring program was corrupt and people were being paid off by Saddam. It is the left who preffered to leave your family’s security in the hands of this corrupt program.

The inspectors were rermoved in 1998 when Clinton bombed and were not allowed back in till Bush forced them in and required Saddam to leave within 48 hours. With the inspectors gone I don’t understand how these brainiacs new Saddam was not a threat after 9/11. But, as long as they can keep people blinded with hatred towards Bush they will get away withthe contradiction of their past statements.

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 19, 2005 09:04 AM | Link to this

I remember Newsmax. Aren’t they the bunch who wrote the story about Bono doing a fundraiser for Rick Santorum?

By Ricky

December 19, 2005 09:37 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, just giving you another source of information.

By Objective Observer

December 19, 2005 09:38 AM | Link to this

Scooter: Your link was enlightening. All past commitments to the Iraq endeavor summed up into one “lengthy” text. Couldn’t read it to it’s conclusion, but it was apparent early on that they shared Bush’s concerns. However, their “lack of commitment” to “stay the course” is very apparent when self-serving political interests intervene. That’s politics!!! Who can be surprised?

By Lindsay Graham

December 19, 2005 09:40 AM | Link to this

“We can’t become an outcome-based democracy. Even in a time of war, you have to follow the process, because that’s what a democracy is all about: a process.”

-Lindsay Graham Re: Bush secret spying program

By Semper Fi

December 19, 2005 09:49 AM | Link to this

When is Homeland Security going to take actionagainst the THE NY TIMES, the terrorist cell within the borders of the U.S.?

By Ricky

December 19, 2005 09:54 AM | Link to this

This conversation about the legality and civil liberties of the NSA monitoring people with ties to terrorism making calls and emails overseas comes down to this for me. Is it legal? If not it should be stopped. A lot of people have already convinced themselves that Bush is guilty but that has been the standard his entire presidency. Second, as for the civil liberites arguement. What is more important, civil liberties or the safety of our citizens? It is a fine line, but our elected officials are going to make that decision for us.

By Objective Observer

December 19, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

I have trouble understanding why:

Employers monitoring your on-line activity

Video surveillance in parking lots

Video surveillance at traffic lights

Purchasing guns

IRS tracking of financial activity

is not viewed as a violation of individual liberties. Is is because they were not initiated by Bush, or is it because we have grown accustomed to their existence. The first one protects the employer from actions of employees, the last one assures the government gets its’ share of your pie. The right to bear arms is protected by the Bill of Rights. The rest are efforts to protect citizens from irresponsible behavior of other citizens. It gets very complicated!!!

By Lindsay Graham

December 19, 2005 10:41 AM | Link to this

Ricky: The FISA Act outlines how surveillance SHOULD be carried out. Bush clearly has not followed FISA Act, and has been unable cite any statute or legal principle to justify it. See Condi Rice yesterday on Meet the Press. She resorted to “well I’m not a lawyer” when asked to cite anything that makes this secret surveillance legal. If you’re the former NSA director, you should be able to cite what makes this activity legal. FISA is questionable by itself, but they won’t even follow that.

By RW-(the original)

December 19, 2005 10:46 AM | Link to this

Lindsay,

When was Dr. Rice the Director of the NSA?

By Lindsay Graham

December 19, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this

sorry, former national security advisor.

By Objective Observer

December 19, 2005 11:30 AM | Link to this

Talk about self-defeating attempts for progress! Gov. Perdue’s attempts to register voters is being hampered due to the fact that he is using an “old bus” to accomplish the task. A new bus, and more than one would have, at least, covered his a**, when the criticisms start. This program was far too important, to apply such a haphazard effort to it’s intent. Hope he wises up before it is too late.

By Lindsay Graham

December 19, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

There are bigger potential problems for holding fair elections than the voter ID issue.

By Objective Observer

December 19, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

AAhh! The inefficiency of government has never been a surprise to me. Is it to you? According to the AJC article on the bus issue, there are actually people out there who welcome the opportunity to register and agree that it will assist them in other areas of their lives. But then, the inefficiency of government…….

By Brian Curtis

December 20, 2005 08:01 AM | Link to this

Ricky: In answer to your question (What is more important, civil liberties or the safety of our citizens?)…

That’s easy: civil liberties are more important.

More to the point, there’s no NEED to violate them just to improve our national security. Freedom and safety are not opposing interests… but freedom and fascism sure are.