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DEL.ICIO.USThe war on Christmas
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By getalife
December 14, 2005 07:43 PM | Link to this
The Grinch hated Christmas! The whole Christmas season! Now, please don’t ask why. No one quite knows the reason. It could be that his head wasn’t screwed on quite right. It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were to tight. But I think that the most likely reason of all May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.
By SW
December 14, 2005 07:49 PM | Link to this
Lame cartoon, using someone else’s creation to jab at the vast majority of Americans. Which will in turn create controversy to feed the beast of the Jason Blair journalist out there? So is it safe to assume that Luckovich will not joke on democracy, or is he an opportunist? Opportunist for the dollar, or for political power?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 14, 2005 08:11 PM | Link to this
Yeah, that’s real funny, let’s give some power and mystic back to the man that murdered 3000 of our fellow citizens.
The good news is, much like the war on terror, the pinkos are losing the war on Christmas- Soldiers’ gear up to defend Christmas- The “soldiers” lined up for the fight are 832 lawyers ready to charge any municipality or public school that dares excise the mention or observance of the world’s most widely celebrated holiday.
Now that the libs are losing their fight against Christianity, they think it’s silly and no big deal. I sure hope the ACLU gets that message…
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 14, 2005 08:13 PM | Link to this
I wonder why ml made the left side of the picture look like the wreckage of the World Trade Center? Why is the Grinch sitting around with Dennis Rodman? And finally why would two Islamic clerics be discussing Christmas?
By RW-(the original)
December 14, 2005 08:26 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Have you seen this from Mothra?
“Our welcome has been worn out,” “They’re subdued [our troops] compared to normal morale of elite forces,” “There’s no military solution.” “The U.S. cannot accomplish anything further militarily. It is time to bring [the troops] home.”
Although it sounds like his daily bleating, these are the words he used in 1993
This is what the hero of ml’s scribble had to say:
“Our people realize[d] more than before that the American soldier is a paper tiger that run[s] in defeat after a few blows,” the terror chief recalled. “America forgot all about the hoopla and media propaganda and left dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat.” Osama bin Laden
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 14, 2005 08:33 PM | Link to this
RW: Mothra is a madman, clinically insane. Someone should check his blood pressure, maybe sit him down with a few rorschach inkblots. It’s become his obsession.
This is a must see- Diplomacy
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 14, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this
Andy,
I can’t imagine how the “International community” and our MSM would react to that.
As for Mothra, I’m amazed that his wording doesn’t change the least bit in twelve years. I guess I shouldn’t be with the Poodle trashing the military for 34 years.
By Objective Observer
December 14, 2005 08:53 PM | Link to this
We all need to go and demand ml’s paycheck to be distributed among the bloggers. The War in Iraq and the Christmas controversy. “Would you like to try one of our combos today?”
R.W.: Where was the “Heads Up” on the new cartoon. I’m at the other site talking to Candide.
By RW-(the original)
December 14, 2005 08:57 PM | Link to this
Objective Observer,
Sorry, I went over there and didn’t see anyone after Scooter at 7:22.
I’ll try to do better.
/hangs head in shame
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 14, 2005 08:59 PM | Link to this
Heads up on Ann’s new hate speech, er, column, it just came up.
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 14, 2005 09:02 PM | Link to this
Andy,
What is this? We have to go get it ourselves?
By RW-(the original)
December 14, 2005 09:10 PM | Link to this
Fine I’ll bring Ann back here myself
By getalife
December 14, 2005 09:22 PM | Link to this
Get it right Ann: Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was hooked on the potent prescription drugs OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone - and went through detox twice. Not Percodans. That link on diplomacy was funny
By Brian Curtis
December 14, 2005 09:55 PM | Link to this
Not a bad cartoon… and a good reminder that the theocrats who whine about a “war on Christmas” are basically the same as the theocrats who want everyone to be Moslems.
Fundamentalism is always a bad idea, no matter which chuch it lurks in.
By Semper Fi
December 14, 2005 10:52 PM | Link to this
I for one am tickled as peaches about the war on Christmas. I ask store owners that advertise for HOLIDAY stuff, where their Christmas items are, just to aggravate them. I do not spend money at these stores, just check out items before buying on EBAy. It is highly commericalized but it’s because they know we need Christmas presents and really want our money but they are afraid to recognize the season’s name. I await the liberal’s predictable responses.
By Semper Fi
December 14, 2005 11:13 PM | Link to this
Since it’s so quiet tonight, some may enjoy a good read Hope this works, it is my first attempt a linkage. If not, this is the home page. http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007661
By grant
December 14, 2005 11:21 PM | Link to this
The War on Christmas “toon” is hilarious. Carry on!
By rushncap
December 15, 2005 01:16 AM | Link to this
Don’t you nutbags (Andy, RW) have ANY lives? No matter the time of night or day, you’re here, typing away. Jeez, you guys need to get laid…
By candide
December 15, 2005 03:57 AM | Link to this
Secularists should stop worrying about Christmas. Read Bart Ehrman’s new book on Misquoting Jesus. The Christian Churches have a Jesus in their creches who never existed while the real Jesus is closer to what the Muslims believe about him and the Jews have always believed: he was a prophet and nothing more. There was no birth in Bethlehem, no resurrection, no divinity, and will be no return with no rapture and all that b.s.
The Christian Right has ignored 400 years of biblical scholarship in favor of redneck ignorance.
Enjoy.
Celebrate Christmas as the nice myth it is.
By candide
December 15, 2005 04:42 AM | Link to this
The myth of Saviour (like Jesus and all the others) comes originally from the Persian Zoroastrians. That is really hilarious when you consider these same people are now Shiite Muslim fanatics.
The Jews during the Babylonian Captivity picked up these strange notions, passed it on in the Second Temple period, and the early Christians picked it up as a way of pushing their new guy, Jesus, the Saviour.
Apocalyptic thinking puts it all together and this kind of religion is the closest thing to schizoid paranoia there is.
The Rapture is the Redneck version of the same myth.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:50 AM | Link to this
Candide: Since I am not a pinko and I give fair and open consideration to all ideas, I typed Bart Ehrman into google to check the basis of your 3:57 post. The first hit that came up was a page on National Pinko Radio. Some much for that thought.
Most Christians base their faith not on the things heretics write, but what they feel in their hearts. I guess in your instance it would be helpful if you first of all had a heart.
You seem to be rising from your coffin earlier and earlier every morning. Are your demons getting restless?
Merry Christmas!
By candide
December 15, 2005 05:35 AM | Link to this
Look up Ehrman on Amazon.com books for a review of “Misquoting Jesus.”
You cannot get up early enough to shoot a Christian.
By candide
December 15, 2005 06:07 AM | Link to this
Drudge this morning whows an Iraqi woman with a raised purple finger, showing she voted. Giving the finger can mean one voted. As we all know, it can also mean something quite different. I wonder what all those raised fingers in Iraq today mean. F…k Bush? That would be a good Christmas gift for us all.
By Objective Observer
December 15, 2005 06:33 AM | Link to this
R.W.: Astute observation on the “left” side of this cartoon, I would have missed it. Maybe this one has something for everyone except “the faithful”. Here we go. The 9/11 bombing (state “left”) is a fading and obscured memory; OBL is a large and looming threat; the Christmas controversy is a triviality which comes between OBL and the small and helpless Iraqi people. Having said that; the threat has been acknowledged and the need to help the Iraqi people has been acknowledged. Too much credit?
But it still isn’t funny to me. I want to laugh, but I can count on the quick wit at this site for that.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:41 AM | Link to this
Actually, the Iraqi woman with the purple finger was saying to all the pinkos trying to keep her from voting “Go to Hell.” Look it up. Judging from some of the posts I’ve seen on this blog, some of you already have your tickets purchased and bags packed.
This is what I said yesterday, verbatim: The Bible is an interpretation by man of God’s Word. It is impossible for man to know all of the secrets of God’s Kingdom. All the authors of the Bible could do was write an account of events that they did not even understand. This is exactly what Bart Erhman says without the condescending pinko sarcasm. Does this make me a favorite of the libs now too?
Merry Christmas!
By candide
December 15, 2005 06:51 AM | Link to this
Wishful Andy: if the authors of the Bible didn’t understand what they read, how come you do? Are you the recipient of God’s special revelation? That would make you another Joseph Smith, another Mohammed. You have a pretty swell head, don’t you fella?
Seriously, the bible was largely written by people who today would be regarded as mental cases. Some of them unquestionably had literary talent, imagination, and vision. But they were primitives and not very stable.
You share their instability, have none of their talen and vision. You are a pathetic redneck Christian.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:53 AM | Link to this
Saddam’s WMD Moved to Syria, An Israeli Says
You reckon?
Merry Christmas!
By Andys -Dontwannabe!
December 15, 2005 07:12 AM | Link to this
Yeah, I reckon…
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 07:14 AM | Link to this
Candide: Carefully read the Book of Romans, taking time to contemplate each verse and chapter. See if you ask the same questions of me afterwards.
Merry Christmas!
By Objective Observer
December 15, 2005 07:16 AM | Link to this
Candide: For the sake of argument, let’s consider this…Jesus was a prophet, like so many others. He was so perfect in his message and life that God declared “this is my son in whom I am well-pleased”. This is a discussion which I have with my son “the agnostic”.
All of the major religions are tied into a basic concept with a creator where we are encouraged not to resort to our primal instincts (which serves self) but to aspire to something greater than ourselves. What can be the harm in believing.
I would like for you to see “the faithful” as a diverse group of free thinkers. The Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons do not represent all of us, but they are free to represent their own individual beliefs as are you.
Merry Christmas Candide! You may wish me whatever you like. Should I be afraid?
By Liberal Texas Democrat
December 15, 2005 07:21 AM | Link to this
Fr. Greely says give Christmas back to the pagans
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 07:54 AM | Link to this
Candide, your slinging of the derogatory word redneck is funny. With years in the country and years in the city, I can say that common sense is generaly found in the country. While ingnorant nuance, passed off as intelligence, lives in the city (you know book smarts). You would be lucky to have half the common “horse sense” that most “rednecks” have.
Have you expanded your worls to include the forces of not only religion, but also economics.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 08:05 AM | Link to this
Scooter: I wouldn’t concede the pinkos any “book sense” just yet. They like to study the various perversions in hopes that they can find something that disputes the obvious goodness and righteousness of the Conservatives. This is not really a scholarly trait; it is more closely related to pornography.
Merry Christmas!
By Brian Curtis
December 15, 2005 08:15 AM | Link to this
A reverence for “common sense” and worship of the obvious are indicators of a serious lack of brainpower.
Which, of course, is in keeping with both fundamentalists and far-right loons. “Common sense” brought us such brilliant insights as witch-burnings, a flat Earth, and a god who commands you to kill anyone that looks different. All of which were acts of obvious goodness and righteousness… and all of which were proven dead wrong.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 08:20 AM | Link to this
“They like to study the various perversions in hopes that they can find something that disputes the obvious goodness…”.
Before you get into this you should know that I am agnostic, but take the good teachings form many interpretations of religion and do what I FEEL is right and honest. What the pinkos do Candide, is sit around and feel inadequate in one form our another. Rather than get out and make themselves the successful type person who can individually help society, they spend their time trying to figure out how to bring others down to their level. Weather it be using gov’t to steal that rich persons money so they can give, or ridiculing and belittling those that do more.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 08:23 AM | Link to this
BC, I’ll bet you were one of those kids who insisted the tube should fit into the square hole.
I’m and Environmental Engineer, who performs stream bank restorations and builds constructed wetlands, what do you do you brain child?
By Chris
December 15, 2005 08:36 AM | Link to this
You know what is funny to me? This entire arguement. Growing up in rural North Georgia we always called Christmas break WINTER BREAK. I mean, if we want to give kids a Christmas break then lets make it one day since Christmas is only a day long (based on an ancient pagan holiday by the way…could I rhyme anymore???) We were given WINTER BREAK when I was younger b/c it was 2 weeks…which I would give my left finger for nowadays. To be honest it doesn’t really matter what you call it…you either believe or not and that’s all that matters to God. If you read, Dec 25 is NOWHERE in the Bible as the birthdate of Christ…so claiming that this is THE birthdate is not entirely accurate. Also, Christmas trees are also a hold over from pagan times…not Christian. This was done b/c it is easier to assimilate people if you do not radically change their practices. So honestly…are we arguing for God…or b/c we need something to complain about. Why dont all the fundies focus on the hungry and the poor rather that what to call the commecialized holiday. I have this feeling that if Jesus were walking the earth now he would be disgusted over how Christians and non-Christians celebrate His birthday; that after 2000 years we still don’t know if it’s right!
By the way…to explain the X-Mas. X is the Greek letter for CHI…which makes it a shortened version of Christ or Christmas. So stop saying X-mas is wrong…it like using Bill for William.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 08:43 AM | Link to this
You are good man Chris. It is in each individuals actions during this season they will be judged on. I have learned that the religious do far more for the poor and downtroden than the pinkos and their love of government. The average pinko sicialist sissie is unknowingly working to kill one for their love of the other.
By Brian Curtis
December 15, 2005 08:43 AM | Link to this
Chris: Good points all around.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 08:59 AM | Link to this
Chris: The deep thinking intellectual pinkos have no idea what the purpose of their reproductive organs is and they believe in evolution of beings that were never created. And we are supposed to follow you off the cliff? No thanks. I’ll continue to call the Christian holiday celebrating the Birth Of Jesus Christ Lord and Saviour by it’s proper Name.
Merry Christmas!
By getalife
December 15, 2005 09:00 AM | Link to this
Scooter, What do you think about restoration of the wetlands in the Gulf Coast around New Orleans?
By Eric
December 15, 2005 09:08 AM | Link to this
If Andy Bunker and George Weasel Bush are are representative of Christianity, I’ll take my chances with the Devil!
By frank johnson
December 15, 2005 09:09 AM | Link to this
MIKE, DRAW A CARTOON SHOWING PRES.BUSH ON A BICYCLE PEDALING BACKWARD AFTER HIS LATEST COMMENTS ON HIS REASON FOR INVADING IRAQ
By getalife
December 15, 2005 09:11 AM | Link to this
It is about time for a new Bush cartoon.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 09:28 AM | Link to this
Eric, you can symbolize your own version of christianity, you represent yourself and nobody else.
There is a lot of power out their and several differnt factions are fighting for it. You need to be blaming the people who have filled your head with half truths and comments out of context, not christians. You need to work to figure out what their objectives are. When I say they I mean the controllers of information.
By Curious
December 15, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this
This is hillarious - are you all at work going back and forth over this matter? Just curious. I love reading the Blogs - they are FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNY!!! Also enlightening.
By Fire
December 15, 2005 09:35 AM | Link to this
Chris - a person wanting to use a greek phrase should translate the entire phrase and not a PORTION of one word of the phrase. SO….what’s the greek translation for MERRY CHRISTMAS?
By getalife
December 15, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this
kala christougenna / kala xristougenna
By Fire
December 15, 2005 09:41 AM | Link to this
getalife - thanks…though i was wondering if Chris knew OR if he just knew that standard response X is short for Christ like everyone else spews off.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 09:46 AM | Link to this
getalife, I think it will be a daunting task, with the petro chemicals, PCB’s, and the other non degradable inorganic compounds. But, there will be a lot of money to be made, so plenty for the progressives to complain about while people are making progress.
Katrina flooding was yet another sign that humans aren’t quite as smart as they think they are when it comes to the forces of Mother Nature. It was the perfect chance for America to take an introspective look at the hopelessness and despair created by liberal policies, such as Johnson’s “Great Society�. But nooo we must work towards federalism so blame the current President, without understanding why the president cannot use the military within our borders.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 09:52 AM | Link to this
Scooter, Thanks, I heard Clinton say that the wetlands needed to be restored and read you are a professional in this matter. I watched live coverage of the hearings on Katrina and they mentioned that Blanco refused turnover to the Guard but did not say why.
By Football Expert
December 15, 2005 10:06 AM | Link to this
It is a pathetic attempt to smear the president by any and all means even by distortion and lies. Bush is a Christian who proudly clebrates Christmas. To depict him as anything else is dishonest. But then what can one expect from a liberal.
By Chris
December 15, 2005 10:17 AM | Link to this
You got me Fire…I don’t speak Greek…sorry. I guess I should come to the table with more next time. I find it funny though you pick out my inability to speak Greek…but say nothing of my assertions when it comes to the holiday itself. And for the record I AM a Christian…just not a blind sheep who follows those who talk the loudest.
You know…I get really sickk of everyone talk about how great a Christian Bush is. One question…which Commandment says Thou shall torture and abuse people…because what i take away from the teaching of Christ is Love and Compassion…not Hate.
By ohnoyoudidnt
December 15, 2005 10:36 AM | Link to this
In the BBC film, a former Palestinian foreign minister, Nabil Shaath, says that Mr Bush told a Palestinian delegation in 2003 that God spoke to him and said: “George, go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan” and also “George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq”.
By kimberly
December 15, 2005 10:37 AM | Link to this
At 8:43, Scooter said: I have learned that the religious do far more for the poor and downtroden than the pinkos and their love of government. The average pinko sicialist sissie is unknowingly working to kill one for their love of the other.
Dude, did you OD on Ny-Quill or something? Seriously. Lay off the vapo-rub. That’s a completely assinine thing to say.
By Fire
December 15, 2005 10:39 AM | Link to this
Chris - I said nothing of your “assertions” because I agreed with them. You’re right….. it is Winter Break (for schools) as it will be Spring Break in May and Summer Break in June. You’re right God does not care about tradition if your heart is with him. You’re right December 25th is a day that was “choosen” to celebrate the birth. I guess I should have told you that I wished you had not wrapped up such a good comment with that “X” stuff.
By N-GA
December 15, 2005 10:43 AM | Link to this
I can’t help but smile at the rantings of the religious right posted here. These pathetic excuses for humans bear absolutely no resemblance to anyone who is trying to be “Christ-like” in their everyday lives. Instead they talk like self-centered fascists who love war. They follow miscreants like Bill O. and Rush L. because they are so much like them.
The religious right is not winning. It is losing and will continue to lose as long as they try to shove their views down people’s throats. That will only result in the rest of us shoving our collective fists down their throats.
By N-GA
December 15, 2005 10:52 AM | Link to this
I also am amused at those who say they are not going to shop at stores that use “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas”. These nitwits never stop to think about unintentional consequences of their actions. Are there any Christians working at these stores? Might their jobs be affected? Do any Christians own stock in these stores? How many of these stores sponsor “empty stocking” funds, food drives, etc.? I suspect these morons supporting store boycotts are really closet grinches with no money to spend anyway.
By Chris
December 15, 2005 10:53 AM | Link to this
Fire…my apologies…you’re right…I should have ended on a much higher note. I’m sure I can make a come back soon though and find redemption in another rant…:-)
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 10:57 AM | Link to this
Kimberly, that was a good come back on the topics I brought up. Rather than discuss them you write me off as drugged when Candide refuses to learn what economic fascism is Candider and yourself seem to be secure in your ignorance or do you dare to discuss the ineptitude of your beloved government.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 11:03 AM | Link to this
Look look, its N GA yet another nuanced “know it all” that dosn’t know what fascism is. But ignorance dosn’t impede his use of the word. After all, Mussolini was fascist and evil N GA thinks Bush is evil so he must be fascist. That passes as liberal logic.
By Dusty
December 15, 2005 11:08 AM | Link to this
Will somebody tell me what is “hilarious” about this cartoon? So..the Grinch stole Christmas (a Seuss story) and Osama wants to kill Americans (a true story). A war on Christmas? Funny? Yep, a real “knee-slapper”.
Scooter, a question. Is Lake Ponchatrain totally polluted now? Is it large enough to receive all that dirty water from New Orleans and not be contaminated? Just wondering what you think.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 11:10 AM | Link to this
gadem, Ricky, getalife - here’s a little follow-up info from our discussion yesterday on the reasons GM is looking to offshore more production.
By ohnoyoudidnt
December 15, 2005 11:12 AM | Link to this
GOD SPOKE TO ME LAST NIGHT. BUSH IS A LIAR!
By Chris
December 15, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this
Or perhaps N GA was looking at documents such as the Patriot Act which exhalts the rights of government over the rights of people…which is textbook facism. This “Act” was in fact crafted by Bush and his teams of Bush-enites.
And if we are just going to resort to name calling then you’re a stupid-head poopy face!
By kimberly
December 15, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this
Scooter, don’t presume to know what or whom I love. You don’t know me. And when you say, “average pinko socialist sissie,” you are not discussing issues, you are fostering division. If that’s not your intention, then please rephrase, but I tend to think it was.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this
Scooter, I have a question for you as well: you seem to have a libertarian bent, and as such, and as an environmental engineer, what is your viewpoint on government holdings of land (for “preservation) vs. privatization of public lands? Have you seen a differential between how the two maintain their respective properties? Very curious…
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 11:20 AM | Link to this
Dusty, you ole fertilizer bag, to me this is the least comprehensible of The Scribbler’s works. Granted, I’m a little slow, but I have to agree with RW - I have no clue what this is about.
Brian Curtis - I’m begging you to please take over for The Scribbler. Your work - though equally as baffling, at least has naked people…
By Dusty
December 15, 2005 11:30 AM | Link to this
Big Daddy, you old streaker, I thought you were still out on the bridge doing your bit for humanity. Did it get too cold for your bare facts of life out there? Now remember. Only a chosen few can call me names and you are not one of them. Bad boy! Now, back to contamination and political pollution by certified liberals.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 11:33 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
The last report before BigDaddy came down from the bridge was that they couldn’t tell if the naked jumper/stander was a man or a woman. (Big?Daddy will probably tell us how cold it was)
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 11:33 AM | Link to this
Dusty, remember that fresh water flows to the ocean, then ocean currents transport the water. If there is one drop of foreign substance it is polluted. The internet is there look for technical writings, you can figure it out. The internet leaves no excuse for the intelligencia say that conservatives are fascist.
Kimberly, you sure are sensitive. No, I will not rephrase the question it is there and you should be adult enought to read past the comment if it doesn’t apply to you. If you want to know what is divisive, it is the progressive tax code and class warfare. Both of which are used to divide America and solidify political power in Washington. Better recognize.
Big Daddy, I’ll hit you back. Libertarian, you got that right. So much that I want everyone to be free and freedom is hard. Are you truly free if you are not free to fail.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this
BD, Sorry about the interruption yesterday. I should have let it go but he caught me after nodding off due to my meds and the President’s speech.Here is a good article on GM (Yours asked for a subscription) and I agree with the comments.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this
RW - don’t poke fun - it’s cold out there. Shrinkage sucks…
By Bill
December 15, 2005 11:41 AM | Link to this
Why are ultra-right Christians so vehement about what “other people” call their holiday. Are they that insecure? No one is forcing them to stop using the word “Christmas”. Some non-Christians, however, are offended by being forced to worship Christ when this worship is adopted as part of our common government. Stores are adopting a neutral holiday observence in respect of this diversity. If businesses offend; they will pay the price in the marketplace. Consequently, they are trying to choose the least offensive path for all. Radical ultra-righters just want to shove their message of faith down everyone else’s throats as part of their “spread the faith” belief structure.
By George Costanza
December 15, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this
I WAS IN THE POOL!
By getalife
December 15, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this
George Costanza looks like this guy
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 11:48 AM | Link to this
getalife, when you go see Santa, ask him for a subscription to WSJ online. Just don’t ask him like this
(Is that the spookiest-looking Santa ever, or what?)
By getalife
December 15, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this
No wonder that kid is crying.
By Chris
December 15, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this
TESTIFY BROTHA BILL! I
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 11:51 AM | Link to this
Bill,
When you get your AJC-Fishwrapper edition Christmas morning, do you think the ads, from these noble stores that are simply adopting a neutral holiday, will say “Big After-Holiday Sale”?
By jesus
December 15, 2005 11:53 AM | Link to this
Scooter: so from your job description, basically, you dig ditches next to rivers and swamps, right, brainchild?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this
Bill: Is the ACLU suing to put Jesus Christ’s Blessed Name up in public places or are they suing to take It down? Now who did you say was overreacting?
Anybody who calls the Patriot Act “fascism” is either a blooming idiot or building a bomb in their basement. Which is it, Chris? I personally hope they are spying on you right now if it’s the latter.
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this
This guy and his(?) relatives are everywhere
By Bill
December 15, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this
RW: Stores are indeed calling them “Holiday Sales”, now; Wal-Mart most notably, of course. What do the sales have to do with any religious observation or meaning of Christmas? They are simply business decisions to reduce overstock in anticipation of the new year inventory; how is this associated with any of Christ’s stated philosophy/life/cruxifiction? Does Christ now have a monopoly on “sales”?
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this
If businesses offend; they will pay the price in the marketplace - Bill
Bill, I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. However, my interpretation of current events is that Christian groups are trying to get the message out to apply marketplace pressure on retailers to serve their ends. I don’t see anyting illegal or nefarious about their actions.
As for me, I’m organizing to be wished a Merry Kwanza!
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this
Andy, the ACLU is not suing to take my name down from public places. They are suing to take my name down from government property. I don’t represent everyone. The government does.
By Bill
December 15, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this
Big Daddy: Absolutely! That’s what makes our country so great. In my version of Christianity, people “come” to Christ because they are “called”, not “dragged” because they are “not”!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 12:11 PM | Link to this
Bill: In your “world” how do people know of Christ? Is “holiday” spelled backwards a sign for you pinkos?
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 12:11 PM | Link to this
Bill,
They have nothing do with any religious observation. I was commenting on your comment that stores had adopted a neutral holiday.
When I ask what the the stores will be calling their AFTER sales, you tell me what they are already calling sales or that they will call them inventory reduction sales.
I think they will do what they have done for the last several years and discover the word Christmas, as in “AFTER CHRISTMAS SALE-Doorbuster Specials”
I agree that even then it won’t be for any reason other than moving their inventory.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 12:12 PM | Link to this
“Bahhhhhh, Humbug!”
Thus saith Ebenezer Scrooge.
Let’s make Xmas all about ‘X’ (money, greed and whatever else suits your needs at the time), because that’s what it has always been: some guy came to earth to give His life for all of us, so we can just be as materialistic and nasty as we would like.
It’s HIS birthday party, and He’s no longer invited!!
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 12:14 PM | Link to this
Jesus, that’s right. I simply dig holes and ditches in relation to entrenchment ratios and sinousity. But yeah, it’s not that hard if one is willing to work for it.
Big Daddy, the preservation of land, by government, is acceptable at this point in my life. (Because my opinions will change, but I will always be suspicious of government, long to be free and take everyone’s word with a grain of salt.) Being that land is a limited resource, the supply is restricted, thereby raising the equilibrium point (that’s price for you libs) of the supply and demand curves, pricing the lands intrinsic value too high for many people. That land was given to us by the creator and the government should ensure that some is set aside and affordable to visit.
Privatization of some federal lands is appropriate for ecologically sensitive timbering in stages, thinning the under story. In addition, I see the privatization for oil exploration and cell phone towers as acceptable for the “public good�. If, government can steal more of one person’s property to redistribute it to another person under the guise of the public good, I can live with cell phone towers. However, I understand that the process of privatizing will be nasty, because it will be done within the political arena.
There are some environmental policies that the Bush Administration has approved and I have a hard time rationalizing. I won’t mention them because the lemmings will add it to their play book that contains nothing intelligent, just income redistribution and criticism.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 12:15 PM | Link to this
I love singing Christmas Carols!
Merry Christmas!
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:18 PM | Link to this
RW, if you pretend to have such a strong faith, then why do you care what a freaking department store calls this holiday? Is that so important to your observation of this day, what the giant retailer shoving goods down your throat at inflated prices calls it? What does your church call this day? After answering that, why do you care about anything else?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 12:22 PM | Link to this
Satan: I’m not RW but I would like to ask a question based on your post to him. Why is it so important to you that we do not say Christ’s Blessed Name? Are you personally offended by it? Are you too weak minded to have an effect on you?
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 12:24 PM | Link to this
Jesus,
Do you read any posts or do just make a-ssumptions and jump in with an idiotic string of questions?
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 12:24 PM | Link to this
Big Daddy, for the difference in management styles between government owned and privately owned. Come on man, you know government puts management responsibilities too much in the hands of politicians and the public. Generally the public knows animals are pretty and trees are nice, but they know nothing about management. The few foresters, ecologist, etc… can quickly be red taped to death by some do gooder politician/lawyer appealing to the public.
Private land will be managed more efficiently, but efficiently towrads what ends? It is the ends of the private sector that I am suspicious of, but that’s what restrictive covenants are for.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this
By Bill
“Why are ultra-right Christians so vehement about what “other peopleâ€? call their holiday. Are they that insecure? No one is forcing them to stop using the word “Christmasâ€?. Some non-Christians, however, are offended by being forced to worship Christ when this worship is adopted as part of our common government. Stores are adopting a neutral holiday observence in respect of this diversity. If businesses offend; they will pay the price in the marketplace. Consequently, they are trying to choose the least offensive path for all. Radical ultra-righters just want to shove their message of faith down everyone else’s throats as part of their “spread the faithâ€? belief structure.”
And what are you trying to shove down MY throat?
I have a 1st amendment right (yeah, it works in our favor, too!) to speak out about what the Anti-Christian Loathsome Union is doing.
For you Bill:
What do businesses and the Almighty Government have in common?
Is it just that they both are visible to the public, or are you equating them to each other?
No mixture or ‘Religion and State’. Hmmm, so you think that Walmart is part of the Government now?
Boy, you really ARE a Communist!!!
By rushncap
December 15, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this
I always have that same problem, Jesus. Christians, who claim to have this rock-strong faith, tremble and scream whenever they are unable to shove it down the throats of people who don’t believe it. Does not matter whether it’s schools, sports events, stores, courthouses, town halls, political arenas, etc etc etc. They are so incredibly insecure. I consider myself an existentialist. I don’t need holidays, symbols, political rhetoric or anything else to believe what I believe. I don’t need to force Christian kids to stand while I recite some prayer to Sartre or Camus. I am so secure in my belief that I can never meet another existentialist, and be perfectly happy. But Christians… man, you tell them that you don’t care to hear about their god, and they think that you’re telling them their p*** are the size of ants’. To me that is the sign of such supreme insecurity, such thorough fear that their belief system will collapse if someone so much as sneezes, that it’s almost comical.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:28 PM | Link to this
Andy, Are you so weakminded that you can only answer a question by posing another one? I guess you are. You can praise Christ’s blessed name or whatever all you want. Actually, get it tatooed to your forehead so we never forget. But what is the point of going apesh*t over what words your local Wal-Mart uses? They have business decisions to make, and their decision is to appeal to people of all religions. If the fact that they are trying to appeal to people of all religions doesn’t appeal to you, shop elsewhere. But you probably couldn’t do that because you’re addicted to their low, low prices!
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this
Scooter, thanks, I share your concerns vis a vis private ownership perhaps not always having the best interests in mind. The flip side though is worse: the ESA and public mismanagement are both destructive forces that threaten individual liberty. Whenever I’m confronted by such a conundrum, I err on the side of private ownership. But it is a tough call.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this
I don’t believe in the tooth fairy, rushncap, and I don’t freak out when other people talk about it. I guess it must be a maturity thing, you figure?
Merry Christmas!
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this
what the giant retailer shoving goods down your throat at inflated prices calls it?
Nice, Jesus knows all about costs and revenues of all business. I’ll bet Jesus can’t wait to join a union so they can protect him from his own ignorance.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this
RW, I read your post where you seemed upset that department stores will probably use the term “after-Christmas” sales instead of “inventory reduction sales.” Are you completely devoid of any short-term memory and reasoning abilities?
By Bill
December 15, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this
Andy: I’m not Satan but will answer. “Why is it so important to you that we say Christ’s Blessed Name? Are you personally offended by not saying it? Are you too weak minded for it’s exclusion to have an effect on you?” You see, your reasoning is circular and has the same argument either way you turn it. Personally, I’m not offended, but others are and I don’t care to pervert my beliefs by forcing other to ascribe to them; that’s the point.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this
Scooter, I commend you on a great job of completely avoiding the point because you know you’re completely wrong.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 12:35 PM | Link to this
Candid,
I resent that ‘hate speech’, as your side would call it.
So I’m a redneck, mentally-ill, schizophrenic because I believe in Jesus as being more than just a prophet.
Tell me what else I’m allowed to believe. I’m anxious to find out!!!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this
Satan,
Although you sound alot like Geezur, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some of these stores. I frankly don’t care what they call anything. Last summer women’s belts were called skirts.
The stores know that people are going to buy Christmas gifts in advance of the holiday to celebrate the secular portion of Christmas, so they say Holiday sale knowing it won’t really hurt their business. After Christmas they discover the word because now Christians will be more selective.
By Oh The Humanity
December 15, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this
I had a horrible, horrible dream last night. I was walking into a Wal-Mart and the greeter, a gay Mexican illegal alien wished me a “Happy Holiday.” Oh the humanity, oh the humanity.
By candide
December 15, 2005 12:38 PM | Link to this
Scooter: you must not be familiar with the concept of “rural idiocy.”
Andy: The Letter to the Romans was written by Paul who never met Jesus, who was undoubedly disturbed, highly neurotic. I have read it many times. I know all about its theology — none of which has anything to do with the real Jesus.
Merry Christmas.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this
Carol, believe what you want and don’t worry about what others will call you. Your beliefs don’t mesh with someone else’s. So what?
By candide
December 15, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this
Carol: thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this
By Brian— “Fundamentalism is always a bad idea, no matter which chuch it lurks in.”
Dang, you liberals and ACLU enthusiasts are always telling me what I need to believe or not believe…by the way, what AM I supposed to believe, oh Mighty Government?
By Carol
December 15, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this
By Brian— “Fundamentalism is always a bad idea, no matter which church it lurks in.”
Dang, you liberals and ACLU enthusiasts are always telling me what I need to believe or not believe…by the way, what AM I supposed to believe, oh Mighty Government?
Will you like me if I deny that Jesus was/is who He says He was?
If I call it ‘X’mas, and try not to ‘sahre my faith’ and just keep quiet, will you like me?
I think I’ll take a risk on you hating me and Jesus being awfully proud of me.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 12:42 PM | Link to this
By Brian— “Fundamentalism is always a bad idea, no matter which church it lurks in.”
Dang, you liberals and ACLU enthusiasts are always telling me what I need to believe or not believe…by the way, what AM I supposed to believe, oh Mighty Government?
Will you like me if I deny that Jesus was/is who He says He was?
If I call it ‘X’mas, and try not to ‘share my faith’ and just keep quiet, will you like me?
I think I’ll take a risk on you hating me and Jesus being awfully proud of me.
By Candide
December 15, 2005 12:44 PM | Link to this
I remember when Bill Clinton was the prez, our exemplary Christian Rush Limbaugh was singing Christmas carols with off color lyrics concerning Clinton. Would a real Christian have done that? Of course, anyone who thinks Limbaugh, Boortz, Hannity, or O’Reilly are Christians would have to be fools.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:46 PM | Link to this
RW, so then shop elsewhere. Shop at your local Bible store instead of the department store instead of declaring a war on the non-existent war on Christmas.
By candide
December 15, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this
Some of you ask, perhaps sincerely, what you are to believe. You are to believe the evidence of your senses added to the logical conclusions which your mind, after study and reflection, bring to you.
Nothing about God, Jesus, Christmas, the Rapture, or the atonement is based on empirical evidence or logic. It is based on wishful thinking, fairy tales told to children, and sheer ignorance, as well as fear and loathing.
Belief is to be conclusions based on evidence, not childhood delusions or wishes. And it should not be called belief at all.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this
Satan,
Get over yourself.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this
Carol, the ACLU isn’t telling you what to believe. They’re telling the government to stop telling people what to believe. Free speech, freedom of religion and no government entanglement for everyone, believers and non-believers.
By sct
December 15, 2005 12:51 PM | Link to this
Lol, RW telling someone else to get over their self.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this
Candide,
I do. That is why I accepted Jesus as my Savior.Wishful thinking doesn’t heal bodies and minds.
Placebo-Jesus,
How is Walmart involved in government entanglement? I think we are confusing issues here.
Stamping out Christianity publicly and removing references to God in government buildings. Some of you guys need to study what the Constitution REALLY says about religion, as you call it, especially about ‘not prohibiting the free exercise thereof’.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this
*By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this
Satan,
Get over yourself.*
Priceless. You’re truly a brilliant orator and debater, RW. I guess you’ve finally realized you’re wrong and are overcome with frustration. Sorry.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 12:55 PM | Link to this
Candide: What did Jesus say about the Holy Spirit?
Merry Christmas!
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 12:57 PM | Link to this
What do you think is more obnoxious to Jesus, linking his birthday to Santa Claus or wishing someone a “Happy Holiday?” You people are INSANE!!!
By Fire
December 15, 2005 12:58 PM | Link to this
Candide - You confused me. Your 1st paragraph advises me to form my beliefs by using my senses added to logical conslusions that I receive after studying. Then YOU tell me what NOT to consider because it is wishfull thinking blah blah blah. THEN you tell me that whatever I come up with should not be considered a belief anyway. ?HUH?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this
Satan: It’s the gay lobby that pressured Target to get rid of the Salvation Army if you really want to talk about not suing. If it’s not that big of a deal waht is their problem?
Merry Christmas!
By Carol
December 15, 2005 01:00 PM | Link to this
I can sya to someone, “Jesus loves you!”, with an obvious belief that He is God and that He is alive, which may offend them, but nonetheless, I am being loving when I say this.
You guys would say that I am using hate speech or am not being sensitive to his cultural beliefs or some other crap like that.
So what!
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this
Carol, I wasn’t referencing Wal-Mart in my response to you. That was in response to another discussion on the blog. I was just talking about the ACLU. As a third year law student writing a law journal comment on this very topic, I actually have studied what the Constitution says about religion. I don’t believe the ACLU is trying to prohibit your free exercise of religion, but their position is that the government should not be advocating a religion, which they argue is what it does when it put references to things like the 10 commandments on government property. You can disagree with that position, but don’t make assumptions that are wrong, namely that the ACLU is trying to prevent you from freely exercising your religious freedom.
By candide
December 15, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this
Andy: nothing that Jesus supposedly said in the Gospels can be verified. His dialogue was invented to spread the word by the gentile Christians who had rejected the group around Jesus’ brother James of Jerusalem. Nothing in the New Testament is authoritative.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 01:04 PM | Link to this
Pseudo-Jesus—
So groups like the ‘Salvation Army (they’re my brothers & sisters in the Faith), are not being persecuted by the ACLU for just possessing their faith, regardless of how they conduct their business?
Come on!
By Carol
December 15, 2005 01:05 PM | Link to this
The Atheists & Corrupt Lawyers Union have gone too far, WAY beyond just the so-called ‘separation of Church and State’ issue.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 01:05 PM | Link to this
Candide, Bible Scholar: Answer my question- What did Jesus say, when He was “alive,” about the Holy Spirit to the Apostles, who were living, breathing witnesses?
By candide
December 15, 2005 01:06 PM | Link to this
Don’t make fun of Santa Claus. We know more for sure about St. Nicholas of Myra in Asia Minor than we know about Jesus. St. Nicholas was charitable, especially to poor girls looking for doweries in order to get married. And he sometimes provided them as gifts. Girls not married could be forced into prostitution, so he was doing a good work indeed.
A holiday about St. Nicholas (in Dutch Sint Niklaus, becomeing Santa Claus in English) would be a fine holiday to celebrate. His feast day in 6 December. It could be switched to 25 December. I will ask my friend the Tank Cardinal Ratzinger now known as Pope Benedict 16th.
Carol: it is beyond me to know how a Jew dead for 2000 years can be your or anyone’s personal saviour. He could not even save himself, and God certainly did not either.
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 01:07 PM | Link to this
If you so-called christians want to do something for Jesus, GET RID OF SANTA CLAUS!!!!
By Bill
December 15, 2005 01:08 PM | Link to this
Carol: Free speech great; I’m all for allowing prayer in school. Dead set against “forcing participation” in same. Dead set against taxing someone else to support my religious beliefs (governmental edifices). Can’t imagine how anyone could possibly be made to “Not” pray if they so chose to. I manage to do so without upsetting anyone else; why can’t you?
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this
Geezur, I mean Satan
I haven’t said anything about my religious beliefs, but all of your questions and comments insist that I am preaching from the rooftops. Why debate your absurd a-ssumptions?
I am a Christian, although I’m sure Candide would say that proves that I’m not. I believe in tolerance for all beliefs. I also believe strongly in the entire first amendment. It includes the portion Carol mentioned, whether you believe that or not.
Here is your comment that brought on the “get over yourself”:
RW, so then shop elsewhere. Shop at your local Bible store instead of the department store instead of declaring a war on the non-existent war on Christmas.
If you want to claim victory in a debate you are having with yourself fine. I have said nothing about not shopping at any store, for any reason.
By candide
December 15, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this
Fire: your idea of thought seems to be to find reasons to believe what you already believe. That is not thinking. But I am not surprised. Christians invented theology which is the science of God. How can God be known? The best Christian writers have always maintained that God is unknowable; therefore theology must be a fraud.
Andy: I have told you that what you think Jesus said in some part of the Gospels or Epistles is falsely attributed to him. Read Bart Ehrman’s book.
By Chris
December 15, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this
To I Wish I Was Andy, 11:55am OOORRRRR…maybe I’m using that thing called the 1st Amendment. If you’re not familiar with it you should look it up as well as the 26 friends it has…we call it collectively the U.S. Constitution…you know that old liberal piece of paper that our troops fight for. You do support our troops, right?
This is the PERFECT example of what conservatives do best…you don’t agree so you’re a terrorist. I better watch out before I’m shipped to a country I Wish I Was Andy can’t find on a map and “questioned”!
By Erik
December 15, 2005 01:11 PM | Link to this
Faith labeled as such is fine. But faith is a poor substitute for knowledge. “Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power.” and this in all things.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 01:12 PM | Link to this
Candide, yes I am ignorant of the term “rural idiocy”. Who made that up, a nuanced city thinker. It certainly sounds like a good way to belittle the other guy while making the originator of that phrase seem to have the straight dope.
Obviously you majored in world religions or something like that. Have you figured out what the relationship between government dependence and economic fascism is yet? You may have missed that day of your economics class, but it is never too late to learn. Becaus eyour political thinking is leading us to that end adn it won’t be pretty.
By RE
December 15, 2005 01:13 PM | Link to this
Main Entry: fas·cism Pronunciation: ‘fa-“shi-z&m also ‘fa-“si- Function: noun Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
Just a definition of the term someone was asking about earlier. So far as Bush being a fascist, you can make an arguement that this is a much more centralized and expansive government with control over the legislative, executive and now the judicial branches. ALso that individual rights are secondary to national protection, such as US citizens being held without due process. I imagine pointing these things out wil relagate me to “pinko” status, which I would like a definition for as well. Who exactally are you supposed to vote for now if you believe in a small government that does not intrude on your privacy and fiscal responsibility.
By candide
December 15, 2005 01:13 PM | Link to this
Christians need their crutches.
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 01:14 PM | Link to this
Public prayer should not even be an issue for a Christian!!!! Jesus said to pray in private, by yourself!! He could care less about Christmas.
By Brian Curtis
December 15, 2005 01:14 PM | Link to this
Carol: “so-called”? The foundation of all our religious freedom, and to you it’s “so-called”?
Sheesh, the theocrats really ARE scary. Which is why I said what I did before: fundamentalism, of any stripe (Christian OR Moslem), is the enemy of human civilization… and it sure is dead-set opposed to our notions of freedom and democracy.
Good thing we liberals are so tolerant of you crackpots… WE don’t advocate internment camps and removal of civil liberties for anyone we disagree with.
We just try to keep the government out of the religious-propaganda business, and the fundies get all bent out of shape over it. I guess it takes all kinds….
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 01:14 PM | Link to this
Andy, you’re making no sense and continually proving how weakminded you are. Your comment relates to nothing that is being discussed here. The Salvation Army rescinded gay domestic partner benefits. If the “gay lobby” had something to do with that, it was probably related to that issue, not religion.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 01:15 PM | Link to this
This Justin, Why are you yelling? I am glad you woke me up because the White House has come through on rebuilding the levees and McCain’s torture ban will pass.
By candide
December 15, 2005 01:15 PM | Link to this
Scooter: you’ll be delighted to learn that the term “rural idiocy” comes from Karl Marx.
Need I say that you don’t have to be a Socialist or Communist to recognize Marx as one of the greatest thinkers of western civilization.
Probably with the narrow-minded bigots here I do need to say this.
By Clem
December 15, 2005 01:16 PM | Link to this
Hail yes!! Andy, RW…rest of you freaks! Let’s git them Gays! Round em up! They’re what’s wrong with this country - not you rodents! Be a book-burnin tomorrow night, followed by a hangin’ of gays. First we gotta celebrate the great new Democracy-at-the-point-of-a-gun in Eye-rack! As I speak here, that there democracy n freedom is spreadin throughout the hole Middle East like wildfar. Fan—-kintastic! Our brilliant leader told us so just yessurday in another intellectual treat. Let’s all sing a few verses of “Onward Christian Soldiers.” God bless Amerka!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 01:17 PM | Link to this
Garcia himself admitted to WYLL radio’s in Chicago that homosexual activistshave”>http://www.cwfa.org/articles/7034/CFI/family/)have pressured Target to stop supporting the Salvation Army, and his letter notes that he has long protested and even demonstrated against this respected charitable group. What he doesn’t mention is how vicious “gayâ€? attacks on the Salvation Army have become—exposing the ongoing incompatibility between homosexual activism and religious freedom and free speech.
Who’s overreacting?
Merry Christmas!
By Carol
December 15, 2005 01:19 PM | Link to this
All you heathens can just go to hell.
Jesus may love you but I hate your friggin’ guts and hope you all die a very painful death.
Now leave me alone, I’ve got some masterbating to get to…
By getalife
December 15, 2005 01:19 PM | Link to this
Clem, Geterdone
By RE
December 15, 2005 01:20 PM | Link to this
RE, It was I who asked and it is you answered the wrong question with a current definition. Was that the same definition as in the 30’s and I specifically said “economic fascism”. While you qoute half of the picture and ignore the othe… you know what, you should be a journalist.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this
Weakminded Andy, is posting someone else’s opinion supposed to make your weakminded opinions more legitimate? Well, it doesn’t.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this
RE, sorry the 1:20 post was mine.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 01:23 PM | Link to this
Carol,
I hate ‘em too baby.
Come on over here so I can watch you rub on your naughty places.
OOOOOOOOO nice! Then I’ll do some jerkin’ of my own and cover you in some Holy spunk.
Watta ya think? You game? Carol? Anybody?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 01:24 PM | Link to this
I think it’s a tad more weak minded for Candide to ost some b-ulls-hit in Carol’s name. No, I take that back, it’s a pinko thing.
All you heathens can just go to hell.
Merry Christmas!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 01:25 PM | Link to this
It’s no big deal, right?
In 2001, homosexual District of Columbia Councilman David Catania (a Republican) publicly used his office to bully the Salvation Army. Catania, in a mock conversation between himself and a Salvation Army official, declared: “This f* [referring to himself] controls federal grants in the District as well as local and you’ll never see another cent as long as you live. I’ll subpoena every one of you … and I’ll bring you down and I’ll turn my chamber into a national circus. Do we understand each other?” Interestingly, Catania’s mean-spirited remarks were made at a conference in Chicago sponsored by the Liberty Education Forum, a think tank founded by the homosexual group Log Cabin Republicans.
Merry Christmas!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 01:26 PM | Link to this
Who wants to watch me choke my chicken?
Jesus? You swing like that?
By Bill
December 15, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this
Candide: “Christians invented theology”??? I don’t think so. The planets of our solar system have the names of Gods not of the Christian faith. There were literally thousands of various religious belief structures prior to Christianity. Egyptians culture surived so long that its’ belief system vacillated between polytheism, monotheism, and back again. Romans primarily adopted the Greek polytheistic belief system. Babylonians, Sumerians, Trojans, and literally ALL ancient cultures had their own belief systems, many of which were adopted into the Christian faith when it was founded (ie- stories of Noah’s great flood present in virtually all ancient middle eastern religions). Christianity actually a relative late comer in world theology.
By Chris
December 15, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this
SOOOOO…what I gather is that the conservatives want to sell lots of stuff in the name of Christ in various stores…the liberals want to sell it in the name of something else (not sure what)…and the token libretarian doesn’t seem to know w-t-f is going on but uses some killer GRE words and a speak-and-spell to blast everyone??? RIGHT ON!!!
By Carol
December 15, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this
That wasn’t me, by the way!!!
I plead the fifth!! That was a pseudo-Carol.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 01:30 PM | Link to this
I Wish I Was Andy,
Of course I swing like that.
I love everyone. So, come on over and shake you wang at me, spank me with it, slap me in the face with it and then shoot all over my Holy buttocks
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 01:32 PM | Link to this
Carol: Allow me to apologize for the pinkos. When they lose their arguments one of their childish tactics is to post in their opponents nickname. We can tell the difference.
Merry Christmas!
By Santa Claus
December 15, 2005 01:32 PM | Link to this
I was so touched with the Christmas spirit after I asked little Jimmy what he wanted for Christmas, here’s what he said,
“I want a GI JOE, a BB gun, one of those toy machine guns, a fake hand grenade, a shock and awe toy jet fighter with detachable bombs, and a Bible.”
I’ve never been so touched by the Christmas spirit.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 01:36 PM | Link to this
It’s no big deal, right?
Pinko Feminist Hellcat
I didn’t make that up.
Merry Christmas!
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this
YAY! THIS JUSTIN IS YELLING AGAIN!
This Justin, could I come over to your place with a film crew sometime? Oh, wait, someone already did…
(Just click on the pic for fun at This Justin’s!)
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 01:38 PM | Link to this
It’s no big deal, right?
New York Times- Ads Portray Nominee as Protector of Christmas By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK Published: December 6, 2005 Conservative groups are hoping to rally support for Supreme Court nominee Samuel A. Alito Jr. with ads depicting him as a supporter of public Christmas displays.
Eeewwwwwww, Alito!!!
Merry Christmas!
By mikesu
December 15, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this
For all folks who get their news from teh AJC:
There was a highly successful election in Iraq today. There was extremeley high turnout and and limited violence. There wasalso massiveSunni participation.
Why does the AJC refuse to report this? Because they only report bad news about Iraq.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this
BD, I was waiting for you but could not resist. Thank you for your link, I have been looking for that video. I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ. — Mahatma Ghandi
By Talon News
December 15, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this
How right you are mikesu! The libby lib media is known for manipulating the news. Honest journalism is dead. Thank God we have President Bush to counter the culture of fake news and insert just a small amount of dignity to our once great country.
Jeff O~O
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 01:47 PM | Link to this
getalife, what I don’t understand is this - This Justin comes on here and rants and raves against the commercialization of Christmas, yet here he is trying to cash in on the Christmas shopping season. I lost my dictionary, so help me out - would that be considered hypocritical?
USERERS! MONEYLENDERS! MINIONS OF BEELZEBUB!
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 01:47 PM | Link to this
from Chris:
SOOOOO…what I gather is that the conservatives want to sell lots of stuff in the name of Christ in various stores…the liberals want to sell it in the name of something else (not sure what)…and the token libretarian doesn’t seem to know w-t-f is going on but uses some killer GRE words and a speak-and-spell to blast everyone??? RIGHT ON!!!
A “know it all” enters and rather than discuss the things I have said he belittles me to prop himself up. Its almost sad.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this
Chris, Scooter is not the token libertarian. There are more…
By getalife
December 15, 2005 01:52 PM | Link to this
BD, That song is too much.US $870.00. Wow.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 01:54 PM | Link to this
Jesus,
Will you do me too? I loves me some powerful johnson.
I’ll even go a round or two of slap and tickle with you if you’re up for it…
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this
getalife, I know - $870! This Justin is rolling in dough! I guess this brilliant brainstorm hit him during one of his private prayer sessions…
Wish I would’ve thought of that…
By candide
December 15, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this
Today’s headlines proclaim: Bush takes responsibility. How typical of Bush the Christian! You take responsibility but do not act to make up for your misdeed, in this case the death of over 2000 American soldiers, the maming of countless thousands of them, and all the rest. He takes responsibility but does nothing in the way of penance of reparations. Typical of an evangelical who thinks saying something (like I believe) is all you need to do. If Bush really took responsibility for these needless deaths he would do something.
Since he won’t I suggest we make him do something. Like impeach and imprison and fine him and his henchmen.
I am not opposed to hanging the bastard, either. Buth takes responsibility! What a joke.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this
Merry Wookiemas!
By getalife
December 15, 2005 01:59 PM | Link to this
BD, Me too. I saw her on Leno and he said he bought and gave it to her.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 02:00 PM | Link to this
Scooter and everyone else here,
Know this now and for all time to come:
Yea, come on me for I am the Lord thy God’s only begotten Son. For true redemption and salvation you must come on me. And in return for your sharing of your special sauce from the men and sugary goo from the ladies, I will bugger you with the most holy of holies: my schlong.
Yea, I am the Son of God, Lamb of God, Buggerer of God. Let your buttocks be opened to my shaft of righteousness and you shall be saved. Lo these many years I have waited for you to ask and recieve.
AMEN.
PS If you let me blow my holy wad up your bung-hole, I’ll make you a saint or something.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 02:01 PM | Link to this
Weakminded Andy, looks like you and the rest of the fundamentalists are engaging in your own name-spoofing tactics. Nice work. Those last few crazy posts weren’t mine.
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 02:02 PM | Link to this
Look BigDaddy, if you read any of my posts yesterday regarding Christmas you would know that I AM TOTALLY AGAINST all profit in the name of Jesus!!!!
If that were me actually selling that stupid thing I would donate the profits to charity.
REMEMBER THE MONEYCHANGERS!!!!!
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this
Wow, Jesus, you sure are loving. But I’m not sure you’re on the right website for that kind of talk. Please go take a walk through the valley of death, or something. I think we all know that your rod and your staff will comfort you…
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this
Andy said—“Carol: Allow me to apologize for the pinkos. When they lose their arguments one of their childish tactics is to post in their opponents nickname. We can tell the difference.
Merry Christmas!”
Merry CHRISTMAS back to you, Andy!!! I agree—it’s obvious.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this
Candide: I seen Bush when he said that. He had that McChimpy smirk on his face, like he does when he is taunting you pagan cemetery dwelling pinkos. Him and Cheney probably laughed their a-sses off when they got back to the White House.
Merry Christmas!
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 02:07 PM | Link to this
This Justin, so that’s not you? Man, my bad. But your theme song is really catchy.
And yes, I did read ALL YOUR POSTS. THEY ARE HARD TO MISS BECAUSE YOU ARE YELLING SO LOUDLY!
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:07 PM | Link to this
Andy,
I also get amused by the way they get pornographic when they lose an argument.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 02:09 PM | Link to this
Carol,
Your smugness does nothing to hide you arrogant ignorance.
Please explain to me with examples, how the ACLU is to blame for Target, WalMart, and Sears not wishing you a Merry Christmas.
Finally, please do not parse the Seperation Clause as it makes you and your arguments laughable at best.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 02:12 PM | Link to this
Carol: Aren’t they just so mature and intelligent? I bet their mommies are so immensely proud of what that 100 grand in college tuition bought them.
Merry Christmas!
By RE
December 15, 2005 02:15 PM | Link to this
Sorry Scooter,
Economic fascism:
There is no simple definition of ther term to be found in a dictionary, but at it’s core is the convergence of governmental and corporate power to increase profit, often at the expense of the individual. Examples oftern sited are Italy and Germany in the 1930s, where the economic, political, and social policy was dictated by a central ruling party. I think in China today economic fascism would be a discription of the conditions.
To call the US today an example of economic fascism is a bit of an overstatement, but the trend is in the direction, especially when you see some of the legistlation passed recently in the credit card industry, bankruptcy legistlation, and of course the oil and gas subsidies being handed out.
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 02:15 PM | Link to this
Carol,
If you don’t like the image of me buggering you, why do you pray to me every night?
If you want the real Jesus, you have to actually live a Christian life. That means you have to love not hate, give not take, and remember that the real Jesus walked among what was the scum of society back then. Based on what you have written here, you do not deserve to have the real Jesus listen your prayers, so they come to me.
You get the Jesus you deserve, not the one you want so bend over baby, here comes the Holy P*** of Truth.
AMEN.
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this
Carol, are you one of those faux Christians? You know the type, the ones that say “Jesus loves you” and think thats enough to get you through the gates of heaven?????? Do you think its ok to PROFIT from Christmas in the name of Jesus? Do you think Jesus the PEACEMAKER would condone this horrible war? That soldiers are allowed to KILL???? That public prayer is a good thing??? Do you worry that you just may go to hell?????? REPENT!
By getalife
December 15, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this
Way to go BD, now I can’t get that song out of my head! GOD WARRIOR, GOD WARRIOR, GOD WARRIOR……STOP!
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:27 PM | Link to this
IRA,
Separation Clause? Where is that?
Target bans the Salvation Army bellringers, who are collecting money to help anyone in need, not just Christians.
It’s called ‘bullying’, i.e., threatening to sue if they continue to display CHRIST in Christmas, etc.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:28 PM | Link to this
A.C.L.U.
American Communist & Liberals Union
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this
Justin—faux Christians?
Just becasue I try to be loyal to Jesus and His followers does not mean that I excuse all behavior done in His name!
Give us some credit.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 02:32 PM | Link to this
In case anyone wants a look at the Iraqi election, here it is straight from Zarqawi
Translated and everything.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:33 PM | Link to this
I’m still waiting for where this so-called ‘separation clause’ is in the Constitution.
By Dusty
December 15, 2005 02:33 PM | Link to this
Oh relax, folks. It is Christmas time and most people seem to feel something good in the air. Well, most of them. I’ve got a great fire going. Made out of wet wood too. It is so nice. OK, you’re not interested. But, since Christmas seems contrversial to some, I will only say that the love of Christ is there for you. But only by choice. So, be happy. And Merry Christmas! ‘Tis the season!
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:34 PM | Link to this
A.C.L.U.
Atheistic Coercion by Liberals who are Uninformed
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this
Carol, If you are loyal to Jesus surely you don’t think he would condone this fake Christmas do you? The profit in the name of GOD is a abomination. Santa Claus is a sorry sorry representitive of Christ. Do you think Jesus would approve of the way we lure young children to the message of GOD with LIES and PRESENTS???? and not the true meaning of his spirit??? Thats where the real sin is but SILENCE, from you FAUX Christians.WHY???? LETS MAKE CHRISTMAS ABOUT THE GLORY OF JESUS!!!
Big deal, someone says Happy Holidays. Open your heart.
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 02:41 PM | Link to this
God bless you Dusty.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 02:42 PM | Link to this
RW, thanks for that update, that sure is good news. Perhaps now we won’t have to go with the “progressive” plan for Iraq after all…
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 02:44 PM | Link to this
Christmas is what we each make it. Celebrate it your own way, secular or spiritual, in your hearts and hearths. We have the freedom to do that and no one can take it away. And we’ll all get along better if we quit worrying how the guy next door is celebrating (or not.) As a Christian, it’s not my job to save everyone’s souls, try as I might. It’s all I can do to focus on my own. Peace and joy to all.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:48 PM | Link to this
So long as I agree with everyone, and don’t make waves, I am being ‘like Jesus’?
Someone forgot to tell Him that when he knocked over the moneychangers tables.
I hate commercialism myself, and I’ll be honestly glad to see this part of ‘Christmas’ gone.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 02:48 PM | Link to this
Carol,
Forgive me, I meant the Establishment Clause. It reads as follows: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…
You only mentioned the second half of it when you tried to make a point earlier. I’m guessing that is emblematic of how you interpret the Bible as well as it appears that you have completely missed the meaning of the Good News. I’d be happy to discuss this later, but first answer the store and ACLU stuff below please.
As for Target, they banned solicitation at their stores. That’s it. Do you know why they don’t allow solicitation? I’ll let you try to answer that.
You still haven’t shown me anything to illustrate the ACLU “bullying” anyone to keep Christ out of Christmas.
I’m sure you get your information from Boortz, Hannity, and O’Reily.
Come back with some facts.
By bantamwait
December 15, 2005 02:48 PM | Link to this
Separation clause:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…
By Carol
December 15, 2005 02:51 PM | Link to this
Bantamwait—where does it say, ‘Separation’ of anything?
Establishment OR Prohibition!
Know what that means?
The government cannot STOP the display of anything Christian, as well!
ACLU—stopping the display of anything Christian anywhere.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 02:53 PM | Link to this
Finally, a journalist who will speak the truth. Clyde Jones knows what the people really want.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this
Carol,
Please show me a fact.
Stop spouting lies.
Remember now, Jesus’ message was love for all mankind.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this
This whole ‘separation of church and state’ garbage spewed by ignorant people and backed by the communists in this country masquerading as liberals over any display of Christianity or the Ten Commandments is bogus. In 1909, Teddy Roosevelt, America’s 26th president said: “I believe that the next half century will determine if we will advance the cause of Christian civilization or revert to the horrors of brutal paganism.”
Merry Christmas!
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 02:59 PM | Link to this
Ok, this is dated, but I think that we can all learn from the wise words of Brian Boitano:
(There is some foul language and cartoon violence - you have been warned)
Might take a second to load, but be patient…
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this
Is there a war against Christmas? The ACLU and a lot of other people have been trying to take Christ out of Christmas for years.
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:01 PM | Link to this
Andy,
So, Jefferson was Communist?
*Gentlemen:
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which are so good to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should `make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore man to all of his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessings of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.
Thomas Jefferson*
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 03:03 PM | Link to this
In 1995, Clinton’s Presidential Guidelines, Religious Expression in Public School, were originally drafted by the ACLU. These guidelines appeared to protect Christian rights, but for every single “religious expression,” there is a clause of escape, a backdoor for secular groups to attack Christianity at will, and the ACLU has been happy to oblige. Nadine Strossen, President of the ACLU — refers to Clinton’s guidelines as the authority to support the ACLU’s lawsuits restricting Christmas celebrations and removing Nativity scenes from public schools. The ACLU describes the “religious leaders” of Clinton’s guidelines as committed to separation of church and state.
Merry Christmas!
By Liberal Texas Democrat
December 15, 2005 03:06 PM | Link to this
Reading the annual discussions between Christians, “genuine Christians”, “real Christians”, and “just forgiven Christian” always assures me that I made the right decision to be a non Christian. Thanks y’all I’m off to watch those “other Christians” max out their credit cards at the mall. Happy Holidays
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 03:08 PM | Link to this
ACLU Seeks Ban on Christmas “Propaganda” from the Public Airwaves
ACLU Spokesperson Ebenezer G. Rinch announced that the organization was filing a petition with the FCC seeking the immediate forfeiture of the broadcasting license of any radio station in the country that plays even “a single note of any song that mentions or even alludes to Christ, Christmas or any other religious icon,
Real nice.
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:08 PM | Link to this
Carol and Andy,
Matthew 6:5-6: “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men….when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret….”
What does this mean to you?
By Brian Curtis
December 15, 2005 03:10 PM | Link to this
Carol: So this “free expression of religion anywhere”… does it include on other people’s property? Does the first amendment mean you can set up a cross on my front lawn?
Of course not. And likewise, you can’t do it on property that I’m PART owner of, either… i.e., public and government property.
And if it only mentions “religion” without specifying any particular faith, I assume you’re OK with putting up Satanic pentagrams in all the schools and courthouses too, correct?
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 03:10 PM | Link to this
Plowing snow violates the ACLU’s idea of “establishment”
The ACLU’s intervention comes at a time of heightened awareness of the increasing secularization of society, particularly in matters of seasonal etiquette.
By Brian Curtis
December 15, 2005 03:11 PM | Link to this
Well said, Ira. A lot of loud-and-proud Christians around here don’t seem to have much patience for what Jesus actually taught.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:11 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Come on now you’re reaching.
The last line from you latest post:
Thus endeth this week’s dabbling in the art of SATIRE!
You are a charlatan.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:14 PM | Link to this
IRA,
What does it mean to YOU?
Brian,
The Ten Commmandments are neutral in that they are shared across 3 religions.
I see how in here that they would offend so many, as I think that all 10 have been broken in the space of a few hours!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 03:15 PM | Link to this
The American Civil Liberties Union seems to delight in this relentless onslaught of litigation and persecution every Christmas season. And this year, it’s worse than ever. Some town puts up a nativity scene, the ACLU files suit. Some hapless Santa attempts to explain the meaning of Christmas to a grade school student, the ACLU demands his termination.
It’s no big deal, right?
Merry Christmas!
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:15 PM | Link to this
A.C.L.U.
Anti-Christmas Labeling Union
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this
Here’s some hate speech: I HATE the ACLU!
By candide
December 15, 2005 03:18 PM | Link to this
These damn Christers would be more tolerable if they took a drink or two.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this
Carol,
It means that my relationship with God is a private one and none of your business.
Unfortunately you seem to think that your relationship with God needs to be public and supported by massive demonstrations of your faith, i.e. demanding that everyone acknowledge what you believe to be the correct way to honor Him thourgh words - saying Merry Christmas, signs - public displays of Nativity Scenes, and deeds - including Christmas carols in elementary school singing programs.
Now please provide some facts to back up your claim that the ACLU is out to get Christmas. And answer the “solicitation” question regarding Target I asked you above, if you can.
By candide
December 15, 2005 03:22 PM | Link to this
These damn Republicans! Bush has given in to McCain about torture policy. You’ll notice he has not given in to McCain about sending more troops to Iraq. McCain is a megalomaniac, even Bush can sense that.
By The Virgin Bride
December 15, 2005 03:23 PM | Link to this
Carol: if Jesus knocked you up you could join me in the Immaculate Conception.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:24 PM | Link to this
Carol,
All this talk of hating the ACLU is not very Christian like.
Where does all that venom come from?
Why do you hate?
Do you know the real Jesus or was that fake Jesus with all his kinky talk really the Jesus you know?
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:25 PM | Link to this
the ACLU is not a person: it is an organization, av ery Anti-Christ one at that.
God says we are to hate evil and love that which is good.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this
Red China is very ‘Christlike’ as you guys would measure it: Christianity is banned altogether, public AND private expressions.
People are tortured for their faith and the Bible is labeled as pornography.
Be my guest if you want to move there, but please leave America free.
By kimberly
December 15, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this
I went to a public school choral concert the other night. They sang Christmas songs, and no one tried to stop them. They sang Hanukkah songs, and no one tried to stop them. They sang another song that was not holiday related, but it was pretty and contained a message of hope and love. Afterward, the director thanked us for coming and wished us all a great holiday season. No one was visibly offended.
I think this outrage is every bit as bogus as the claim that Christians are being persecuted in America. We are NOT. We are just being asked to keep it out of the courthouse, which is supposed to represent everybody. BTW, Thomas Jefferson totally ROCKED!
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:30 PM | Link to this
Carol,
I am a member of the ACLU. Do you hate me?
Is the mandate from God you speak of from the Old or New Testament?
Didn’t Jesus bring a New Covenant? One whose message was Love?
What about Target? You give up?
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:32 PM | Link to this
IRA, he was writing in a letter about ONE Christian DENOMINATION ruling the country, as was the case in England, i.e., the Church of England.
When you all say ‘religion’, you are not getting the true meaning of what he was saying!
Why would he say that and then sign a document with the words ‘under God’, endowed by their Creator’ and words like that if he was talking about Christianity in general?
By getalife
December 15, 2005 03:32 PM | Link to this
Bush is having a good day. Elections in Iraq, money for the levees and new torture ban. I say good job Mr. President and Merry Christmas. Could be my meds talking but it is a good day.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:34 PM | Link to this
I don’t hate you, IRA. I hate the effect of what they have done to this culture.
I hate that pedophiles are protected in some cases by them and we are demonized.
By RE
December 15, 2005 03:36 PM | Link to this
I cannot understand how anyone can hate the ACLU, it must be from the reputation esposed on talk radio, fox news..etc. This orginization has only one purpose, to defend the bill of rights. That does mean the 1st amendment, along with the other 9. That means that they also defend your right to bear arms, insure your rights from undue search and seizure, and keep the rights of governmental power in check. Now if you like the idea of a large intrusive government, I can see why you would hate the ACLU, I am just not that trusting of my elected officials, I like that there is at least some type of check on governmental power.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:36 PM | Link to this
Jesus said, ‘go and sin no more’, and he called the pharisees whitewashed sepulchres.
There’s a time and a place to be angry, and yes, even to hate evil (I never said a person, mind you).
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this
Carol,
No. You are wrong. The letter was in response to the Danbury Baptists to address their fears that the First Amendment would allow the government to regulate religious expression.
How does “under God” and “Endowed by their Creator” signify a specific denomination by the way? Your logic is odd.
Please address my specific questions regarding the ACLU and Target now.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this
RE—it’s not what they SAY they represent, it’s the things that they DO that are so damaging.
It’s hypocritical when someone can bring a knife to school because they claim that it’s part of their religious garb, or a Jewish Menora can sit on a lawn across from a courthouse, but the same standards DO NOT APPLY to anything on the side of Christianity.
By Bill
December 15, 2005 03:42 PM | Link to this
Carol: ACLU not about taking your liberties away; just the opposite. Wants to protect you from being forced to give lip-service to that which you don’t believe. If we were talking about calling 12/25 “Satan’s Day”, our kids were forced to pray to Allah 3 times daily while kneeling and facing West, or if locals thought that the covenents of the Wicca religion should be carved on a local courthouse plaque, I think you would have a different attitude. What you don’t understand is that the ACLU would be the first to file suit if a school administrator told a child that he/she could not engage in “private” prayer in school. It is only the “forced” participation in religious expression that the ACLU fights so stridently against.
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 03:44 PM | Link to this
Carol Jesus also said not to pray in public.
If you support public prayer then you must HATE JESUS.
Carol you are a Republican, not a CHRISTIAN.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:44 PM | Link to this
Carol,
Where does Jesus say to hate?
Oh, and he didn’t call the pharisees whitwashed sepulchres, he said they were like them.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:44 PM | Link to this
ACLU & Target? Repeat it(?) “How does “under Godâ€? and “Endowed by their Creatorâ€? signify a specific denomination by the way? Your logic is odd.”
IRA—evidentally it does, or the Ten Commandments would not have been thrown out—where’s Jesus’ name in them?
RE—are you too young to remeber the eery silence from the ACLU when Clinton was hideously abusing the powers of government?
The silence from the women’s movement as he treated women like filthy sex objects?
It goes ONE WAY! ANTI-CHRISTIAN!
By RE
December 15, 2005 03:45 PM | Link to this
Carol,
Would a nativity scene in front of a courthouse in anyway strengthen your faith in Christ? Do you think it would convert a non-believer to Christianity? What purpose would it serve?
By kimberly
December 15, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this
Carol, may I ask specifically where your paranoia is coming from? I mean, the menorrah comment…. HUH? Is your pastor telling you on Sundays that Christians are being persecuted? Are you watching Bill O’Reilly every night? Is it Limbaugh? Mass emails that demand your immediate outrage and that you forward to everyone you know before America descends into heck within an hour? Or has someone tried to stop YOU from expressing your Christianity? I’d love to know, so I can determine whether to join you in your outrage.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:47 PM | Link to this
Bill,
Name ONE TIME when the ACLU defended anyone because they were not allowed to express their fundamentalist Christian faith in School (not a cult, I mean mainstream, born-again Christianity).
By RE
December 15, 2005 03:49 PM | Link to this
Carol,
On Clinton’s abuse of power, please site an example. And please, not personal misconduct, which he has in spades, but actual constitutional infringement
By kimberly
December 15, 2005 03:50 PM | Link to this
HEY now… don’t be dragging Clinton into your Christmas outrage. He LOVES women. He appointed them, he protected women’s rights, and he lusted too. He did NOT treat women like filty sex objects, and YOU are a pervert for dragging that phrase into this discussion (IMO).
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:51 PM | Link to this
Carol,
We never discussed the 10 Commandments so I’m a bit confused here.
You maintain that the ACLU is out to get Christmas. I’ve asked you repeatedly for specific facts to back up your statements.
You claimed Target kicked out the Salvation Army because they were anti-Christian yet all Target did was ban solicitation on their property. I asked if you knew the reasons behind that decision.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 03:51 PM | Link to this
As a Christian and a conservative (admittedly more so on fiscal than social issues), I’m thankful we have the ACLU. I don’t always agree with it, which is OK. But any organization formed to support the Constitutional rights of the minority has a place in a free society. Remember, those nations that allowed the majority to overwhelm it now reside in the dustbin of history. Our ability express and practice dissent from the mainstream still separate us from Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Russia and, dare I say, Saddam’s Iraq.
In fact, I propose a new T-shirt phrase: God bless the ACLU. It’s totally non-PC and has something to offend everyone.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this
Kimberly & RE: I am not paranoid: It’s called “the spirit of Anti-Christ. You know, The Last Days? (for those of you who have read the books of Daniel and Revelations, you would see that we are now in those times, and they are FRIGHTENING).
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this
IRA—all the news people could get out of them was ‘no comment’.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this
From RE: I cannot understand how anyone can hate the ACLU, it must be from the reputation esposed on talk radio, fox news..etc. This orginization has only one purpose, to defend the bill of rights.
From the ACLU website: Why did the ACLU defend NAMBLA? (North American Man Boy Love Association) In representing NAMBLA, the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children. What we do advocate is robust freedom of speech.
That’s real nice pinkos…
Merry Christmas!
By RE
December 15, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this
Carol,
A few examples, as you can see, they tend to defend the principal of the arguement, not one religious group or another:
September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supporting second-grader’s right to sing “Awesome God” at a talent show.
August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico street preacher from prison.
May 25, 2005: ACLU sues Wisconsin prison on behalf of a Muslim woman who was forced to remove her headscarf in front of male guards and prisoners.
February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successfully defends the right of an African American Evangelical church to occupy a church building purchased in a predominantly white parish.
December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.
December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challenge to “Intelligent Design” instruction in public schools.
November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.
November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.
November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.
August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.
July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.
June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit.
June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.
May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.
March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister’s right to preach on sidewalks.
February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.
October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.
July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.
April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.
January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church’s right to run “anti-Santa” ads in Boston subways
By Ira
December 15, 2005 03:55 PM | Link to this
Carol,
The ACLU defends religious rights:
September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supporting second-grader’s right to sing “Awesome God” at a talent show.
August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico street preacher from prison.
May 25, 2005: ACLU sues Wisconsin prison on behalf of a Muslim woman who was forced to remove her headscarf in front of male guards and prisoners.
February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successfully defends the right of an African American Evangelical church to occupy a church building purchased in a predominantly white parish.
December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.
December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challenge to “Intelligent Design” instruction in public schools.
November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.
November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.
November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.
August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.
July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.
June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit.
June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.
May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.
March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister’s right to preach on sidewalks.
February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.
October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.
July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.
April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.
January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church’s right to run “anti-Santa” ads in Boston subways.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 03:55 PM | Link to this
Don’t try to start a meeting with a prayer unless you have memorized all the ACLU limits to free speech
“This was kind of a shock to all of us,” Koskela said of the ACLU letter.
Macleod-Ball said the letter was prompted by a newspaper reporter who attended a planning commission meeting and called the ACLU to ask for more information about the legality of prayer at public meetings.
Why am I not surprised that a newspaper reporter called in the ACLU?
I hope they didn’t see a snow plow accidentally making it easy to reach a house of worship.
By Carol
December 15, 2005 03:56 PM | Link to this
Andy, it’s your turn now!!!!
I have to work (gulp!).
MERRY Christmas everyone. And may you all find the One Who is the Reason for the season.
By candide
December 15, 2005 03:56 PM | Link to this
Carol: Revelations and Daniel were written by crazed Jews wanting revenge against the Romans or the Syrians. The bible is full of insanities like these. Wake up and smell the roses. Give up all this s/////t.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this
Ira,
Your recall of those cases is nothing short of amazing
By Bill
December 15, 2005 03:58 PM | Link to this
Carol: You are right. It has not been neccessary for the ACLU to defend a students right to engage in “private” prayer. Doesn’t mean it won’t; just means that no student has come forward who has had this problem. Do you know anyone who has been so intimidated? If so, let’s both contact ACLU and see if they will take the case (bet they will). You are NOT free to express your faith in school; you ARE free to practice it. You are, also, not allowed to yell “fire” in a crowded theater. Don’t confuse issues of “free speech” with those of “religious expression”.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 03:59 PM | Link to this
Some Christians are confusing the true meaning of “persecution.” Christians aren’t being persecuted in our society; we just don’t have the whole buffet table to ourselves any more. They’re like the little kid who no longer has everyone’s undivided attention all to themselves. It’s time to share.
No one is stopping me from celebrating my faith, going to church, putting up a Christmas tree and decorating my private property with religious symbols. I still say “Merry Christmas” and have yet to be slapped in a gulag. Perhaps those decrying “persecution” need to get a real idea of what it means to have your rights taken away. This doesn’t meet that standard.
By This Justin
December 15, 2005 04:00 PM | Link to this
God Bless you Carol, at least there still is hope that you may become a Christian one day, I truly believe you are trying. Have a great day at work.
By kimberly
December 15, 2005 04:00 PM | Link to this
Carol, thanks for answering that your current paranoia comes from a book. You know, I recently read George Orwell’s 1984. It scared the crud out of me too! The advancements in technology combined with the Patriot Act and so many Americans today claiming you are either “with us or against us…” The resemblence is just CREEPY! I can see how reading scary books late at night can put you in a tizzy. Perhaps some hot cocoa and some Mozart instead? Good luck with that. Hey, as anyone tried to stop YOU from practicing your faith? Please tell us!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:02 PM | Link to this
The ACLU would never twist things in their favor, would they?
Why does the ACLU want to remove crosses from federal cemeteries? The ACLU is not pursuing, nor has it ever pursued, the removal of religious symbols from personal gravestones. Personal gravestones are the choice of the family members, not the choice of the government. The ACLU celebrates this freedom to choose the religious symbol of your choice.
Dodged that bullet! We support your personal right of free religion too.
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 15, 2005 04:03 PM | Link to this
RW,
Never said I knew it all.
Jabs like these expose you as the little cretin you actually are.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 04:05 PM | Link to this
Ira,
Showing you to be simply cut and pasting from the ACLU web site to prove your argument as to the great works of the ACLU proves me a cretin?
Like to try again?
By Ira
December 15, 2005 04:09 PM | Link to this
Andy,
More Satire
Don’t you have a sense of humor or recognize BS when you see it?
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 04:11 PM | Link to this
True freedom of speech means allowing expression of ideas you may not like or agree with (or even find obscene or repugnant). But stopping free speech for that reason starts you down a path that leads to oppression. Best to put up with the ramblings of nutjobs and pervs so that we all have the freedom to respond (and, in fact, call them nutjobs and pervs).
By Hypocrit Alert!!
December 15, 2005 04:11 PM | Link to this
RW!!!! You’ve got to be kidding!!! Thats all you do around here all day, links and cut and paste. You rarely express an original thought. You sure can clog this place up with stupid links.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this
RW,
I never said I tracked all the cases. I found, much like we all do, a resource that made a point and I provided it. I did the same above with Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists when Andy claimed Communists came up with the idea of a wall of seperation between church and state.
You are a cretin. Your postings prove that.
Go away.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this
Isn’t it ptiful how weak their argument is? After years and years of the pinkos suing to get the Blessed Name of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ removed from schools, courthouses, public squares and everywhere else except the Church, now that Christians are fighting back, it’s no big deal, it’s all about money, Jesus wouldn’t want it this way, blah, blah, blah. Typical pinko lib defensive measures. They even have the unmitigated gall to claim their actions in His Name. Really sad.
Merry Christmas!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:15 PM | Link to this
Ira: Where’s your defense of NAMBLA?
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 15, 2005 04:17 PM | Link to this
Andy,
If your scramble for the high ground was so pitiful at this point it’d be just plain funny.
You cannot compete with logic and facts so you stick to distortion and lies.
You are sad.
I still laugh at your feeble attempts at logical discourse but really, you are sad.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 04:17 PM | Link to this
Hey, his links are not stupid. They are very informative.
By sct
December 15, 2005 04:17 PM | Link to this
Good job Ira, keep them coming. Dr R and Bill too, good stuff.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:19 PM | Link to this
I have no idea what she is talking about- Andy claimed Communists came up with the idea of a wall of separation between church and state.- I know for a fact that the pinkos, not the commies, came up with a wall of separation between church and state. Get your facts straight sister!
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 04:19 PM | Link to this
Ira,
You certainly get defensive when you get embarrassed. Next time just provide the link to your source.
Hypo alert er..Geezur,
When a paste something I indicate that it’s pasted and I link so as not to clog up the space here.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 04:20 PM | Link to this
Our Blessed Saviour’s name doesn’t need to be on schoolhouses and public buildings to retain its meaning to those of us who believe. Why worry so much about public pronouncements of faith when the true spirit is found within the individual? Forge a personal relationship with Him and you’ll find that nothing else really matters. As stated in Matthew 7: “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, a blessed Hannukah, joy and peace to all who celebrate however they may do so. A true Christian would wish nothing less to his brothers and sisters.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:22 PM | Link to this
So Ira: After your defense of the North American Man Boy Love Association, maybe you can show us all of those fake cases where the ten commandment displays weren’t removed, tell us how they haven’t messed with the pledge of allegiance, I’d really like to hear your version of pinko history. I like stories.
Merry Christmas!
By RE
December 15, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this
How can you site a specific example without getting it from somewhere else, if you do that you are just repeating your own opinions or most likely misquoting information, so here is my cut and paste:
from the aclu web site:
ACLU Statement on Defending Free Speech of Unpopular Organizations (8/31/2000)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NEW YORK—In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.
What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.
It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this
Andy, read the statement free speech is a principle. they’re not defending NAMBLA’s cause, just their right to free speech. the aclu has taken a case on behalf of high school students in indiana (or maybe iowa, not sure) who were prevented from distributing christian literature on school grounds. they took that case also to defend their free speech rights.
it’s called defending a princple. you’d understand that if you had any principles. all you have is hate and half a brain.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 04:26 PM | Link to this
Andy, by “pinkos” do you mean our founding fathers when they drafted the first amendment?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:26 PM | Link to this
DR R: Thanks for proving my point. You must admire John Kerry. This is you: “I actually love God but don’t tell anybody about him, he’s my little personal secret! We wouldn’t want our children to hear of Him and stray down that path, eeeewwww, that would be bad!”
Merry Christmas!
By Ira
December 15, 2005 04:26 PM | Link to this
Andy,
From one of your posts above:
This whole ‘separation of church and state’ garbage spewed by ignorant people and backed by the communists in this country masquerading as liberals over any display of Christianity or the Ten Commandments is bogus. …
Please explain how Jefferson is communist.
By sickoftheneocons
December 15, 2005 04:27 PM | Link to this
Andy, I don’t think anyone is defending NAMBLA, I think the ACLU was attempting to protect the right of them to say what they believe. I’m sure that you would not appreciate someone telling you that you cannot say what you believe simply because it’s unpopular.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 04:30 PM | Link to this
Freedom of speech to some means freedom to hear and read only those things I agree with. Some of us think too much of freedom to limit it to that. Does a group of pedophiles have the Constitutional right to discuss their perverse preferences, provided they refrain from violating the law with their actions? Yeah, they do. When words turn into actions, the law is broached. Until then, they are just words and covered by the First Amendment.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:30 PM | Link to this
I would love to know how defending the North American Man Boy Love Association can be justified in any way shape or form? It kind of seals the deal for me with you sicko pervert pinkos.
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 04:30 PM | Link to this
RE,
I doubt you meant for this to happen, but I agree completely with the this from your post:
How can you site a specific example without getting it from somewhere else,
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 04:30 PM | Link to this
RW, after checking in after a few hours, I’ve seen your last post directed at me. Still a bit frustrated, aren’t we? It’s okay, you’ll never be as smart as you think you are, but it’s not a crime to keep trying.
By RE
December 15, 2005 04:31 PM | Link to this
please define “pinko”
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:33 PM | Link to this
Again, you pinkos are going to tell us how you never sued to get the ten commandment displays removed from the courthouse, Michael Newdow is a figment of our imaginations, no school has ever had a nativity scene removed, etc? This is good. I can relax now, I thought all these things happened. Silly me.
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 04:33 PM | Link to this
Geezur,
You were just an afterthought to that post, Hypo alert sounded like you, sorry if it was just one of your parrots.
By sickoftheneocons
December 15, 2005 04:35 PM | Link to this
Oh I see, so now that someone supports freedom of speech, even for NAMBLA, now we’re sicko perverts….it must be really difficult to live inside your head.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 04:36 PM | Link to this
Andy,
That happened. It violated the Establisment Clause.
By sct
December 15, 2005 04:36 PM | Link to this
James Dobson head of focus on the family is a member of NAMBLA. Check out how he wants to turn gay children into heterosexuals.
“Meanwhile, the boy’s father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son’s maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a p***, just like his, only bigger. “
James Dobson http://www.family.org/docstudy/newsletters/a0021043.cfm
Yikes. This guy is a main stream Christian, maybe he used to be catholic!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:36 PM | Link to this
Why will no one answer my very first question? “How can hearing the Blessed Name of the Lord Jesus Christ hurt anyone?” Is evil embedded in you pinkos? How can you fight hearing that beautiful name? You are so damn bizarre, so weird, so sick in the dam-n head, you would defend some pedophile before you would Christ.
Unbelievable.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this
OK, so we silence NAMBLA. Now we have to make sure the KKK, the John Birchers and right-wing groups are stopped as well. Better make sure any organization involved in behavior considered out of whack with the mainstream (I guess we’ll have to work on a definition for that) is put down. Of course, we may have to extend that to the Scientologists and any religious group we find a bit “out there.” When we’re all done limiting people’s rights, what will we have left? The Shriners, maybe. Maybe a bowling league. Slick, I’d rather live in a country that allows a NAMBLA (and allows us to call it what it is) than one that randomly denies rights to expression.
By Ira
December 15, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Matthew 6:5-6: “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men….when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret….�
What does this mean to you?
By pinko
December 15, 2005 04:39 PM | Link to this
Andy, it’s because you have half a brain. you lack the ability to think rationally and see the principle at stake. it’s not a crime for me to say “jesus christ was a homo p#ssy and if he were alive i’d f#ck him in the a## and then eat the flesh from his bones and feed his still beating heart to him,” nor should it be. if you start limiting speech then you’ve gone down a sliperry slope. you have the right to express any idea, but you do not have the right to act on any idea. they aren’t defending the right of these nambla sickos to act on their ideas.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:40 PM | Link to this
sct: I think you sicka-ss pinkos have bigger problems- LOS ANGELES — Seven members of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (search), including two teachers, were arrested in Southern California and charged with allegedly planning to travel to Mexico to have sex with boys, authorities said.
You really want to start with the pervert cut and pastes?
By RE
December 15, 2005 04:42 PM | Link to this
Actually Andy, I think you have every right to spread your faith to anyone who will listen, that is your personal freedom under the 1st amendment. Has anyone ever tried to infinge on your right to express your belief? If so I am sure many people here would rise in your defense, however if all you are talking about is religous expression being performed by a governmental entity, that is something that is unconstitutional
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:43 PM | Link to this
Just like I said, the pervert pinkos speak up for their favorite depravity. They won’t fight for their country, they’ll sure fight for their weird ideas.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 04:44 PM | Link to this
Ira, I’m not really sure Andy has a Bible handy to check on that. He seems to be quoting much of his material from distant memory. It’s easy to toss Jesus’ name around and call yourself a believer. It’s much harder, and means more, to live it.
Ain’t no pinko, by the way. Vote GOP, m’friend, at least for the ones not under indictment or spending too much of my money. It used to be the party that embraced total liberty. Now I’m not sure we have one.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 04:44 PM | Link to this
Andy, if I think Christ was a p#ssified m#thaf#cka (which he was, by the way, history proves it), that’s my right, as guaranteed by the first amendment, and my government shall respect that belief. and i don’t want them preaching to me via the ten commandments, most of which have no relation to any laws we observe today. you really are a pea-brained fundamentalist, aren’t you. have you no reasoning skills to think for yourself?
By Barney Fife
December 15, 2005 04:44 PM | Link to this
Citizens arrest, citizens arrest!! Andy didn’t provide a source. Andy didn’t provide a source for his last post. Get ‘em RW!!! Get ‘em RW!!!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 04:46 PM | Link to this
It seems the cross story is not quite all satire, the cemetery exception is just a smokescreen.
“The presence of the UHP logo on a poignant religious symbol is an unconstitutional violation of the United States Constitution. It is government endorsement of religion,” said Rivers, Utah director for American Atheists.
You don’t suppose the American Atheists are backed by the ACLU, do you?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this
I would have never in a million years thought that when the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock the first thought out of their heads would be “Gosh, this looks like a great place to have sex with little boys. Nobody will bother us here.” Sort of changes the way you look at America, listening to these pervert pinkos.
By sickoftheneocons
December 15, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this
Andy, hearing and even saying the name of Jesus Christ cannot hurt anyone and is, sometimes, downright helpful as in this instance:
“Jesus Christ, you are an IDIOT Andy!”
See, sometimes it helps to get the point across.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this
Andy, yeah, because GWB and Cheney fought so bravely for our country when they were younger. oh wait…
Merry Christ-was a p#ssified m#thaf#cka-mas!
By RE
December 15, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this
Hey there Dr R, you seem like a reasonable guy, amazing you are allowed to post here. What political party represents small government, personal freedom, and fiscal responsibility now. I used to be a republican, but mainly because I am a fiscal conservative, but now the GOP is out of control. where are you leaning politically nowadays
By sct
December 15, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this
In order to be a good Christian all you have to do is end your post with “Merry Christmas”. Its easy.
By Abby Normal
December 15, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this
The “majority” of Americans don’t give a damn whether you say Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 04:50 PM | Link to this
What weird ideas? Total freedom? I’ll fight for that to the death.
It’s against the law to touch little boys. It’s not against the law to think about it or to talk about it. When we criminalize thought and speech, we inch toward totalitarianism (which incidentally includes the notion of hate crimes, but that’s another discussion for another cartoon).
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this
Barney Fife,
Andy indicated that it came from Los Angeles, that was good enough for that post.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this
I can just imagine the soldiers the morning of D-day, June 6, 1944, thinking to themselves before they stormed that beach “If I give my life today for that great country the United States, I will rest in peace knowing that sickoftheneocons will be able to screw farm animals with out being harassed by the religious right.”
By RE
December 15, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this
Andy, in case you missed it, I was asking when your right to roclaim your belief was infinged
By pinko
December 15, 2005 04:53 PM | Link to this
Andy, you’re once again showing everyone how you lack the ability to think rationally. but because you’re clearly a fundamentalist who does everyone jerry falwell tells you, that’s not surprising. no one is defending their right to act on their speech. just their right to free speech. what they did think was: “golly, now we can say whatever we want and worship however we want and no one will bother us, and by the way let’s keep this religion thing out of the government. religious dictatorships are a real b*tc.h”
Merry Christ-was a p#ssified m#thaf#cka-mas!
By getalife
December 15, 2005 04:53 PM | Link to this
As the caption in the cartoon says “Told you there’s a war on Christmas” Just read this blog.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:54 PM | Link to this
DR R: You won’t even fight for Jesus, dude. What are you talking about?
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this
Thanks, RE. I suppose I’m a Libertarian: I believe in total and abject freedom, free markets and personal responsibility. But even they sometimes fail to recognize that there is a role for the federal government in some areas. I was a follower of Reagan, Jack Kemp, GHW Bush Sr., pragmatic conservatives who sought to balance the powers of the federales with that of states and individuals. Sadly, the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower and Reagan has succummed to the Jerry Falwells and their brand of social dogma that seeks to codify articles of faith. Those on the far left and far right seek to limit our freedoms in different ways. A pox upon them.
Sorry, Andy, used some big words there pal … This is for you: Freedom good, fire bad.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Good one!lol
By pinko
December 15, 2005 04:57 PM | Link to this
Andy, just tell me if you understand this concept, because it’s clear you have the reading skills and reasoning ability of a 2 year old.
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 04:57 PM | Link to this
You pinkos are free to hate Jesus, hate America, hate morality, hell you can hate yourself for all I care, why can’t we proclaim our love for Jesus Christ Lord and Saviour? I thought we were free?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this
Pinko and Dr R,
Don’t talk down to me you bolshevik bastards. I’m a wiz with computers and I’ll track you down and kick your butts.
Go on and love on some boys, I know you both want to since you love NAMBLA so dang much.
God may love you but I don’t.
Go to Hell.
By candide
December 15, 2005 05:02 PM | Link to this
No, pinko: religion anywhere anytime, bad.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 05:03 PM | Link to this
Andrew, I have combed by New Testament and can’t find anything in there about Jesus asking us to fight. He asked us to love one another, feed the hungry, welcome the poor, follow him and know God better. He even asked us to turn the other cheek when facing opposition. Fighting … not so much. Those men fighting at D-Day did so for the American ideal of liberty, which includes freedom for people you and I don’t like (like boy-loving perverts. there’s a special place in hell for them, no doubt). Perhaps it’s all a bit too nuanced for you, but you don’t have to agree with someone to support their freedom of expression. Can you even begin to grasp that or am I wasting my time?
See, this is why, as a conservative, I’d rather debate liberals. Most liberals have read a book and will discuss issues. Too many conservatives stereotype themselves by issuing platitudes and calling names. For every George Will and William Buckley, there are 10 Andys. Makes the rest of us look bad.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 05:03 PM | Link to this
Andy, I repeat; just tell me if you understand this concept. I’ve been able to express this concept in two lines, so it should be simple enough for you to understand:
Religion in private life = good. Religion entangled with government = bad.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 05:05 PM | Link to this
Hey! That one about thinking we were free wasn’t from me!!
STOP IT!!
I CAN FIND YOU AND I WILL AND I’M GONNA KICK YOU BUTT!!!
By candide
December 15, 2005 05:05 PM | Link to this
He lived with 12 men. He loved at least one of them. Perhaps he was killed because he was gay?
By pinko
December 15, 2005 05:05 PM | Link to this
candide: no religion = religion in private life
By RE
December 15, 2005 05:05 PM | Link to this
Dr R,
I just wish the libertarians would get thier act together, right now the choices are GOP or DEM, and niether one supports my thinking. When did the idea of federal government as the arbitor of social issues become a GOP standard. I remember when the GOP was for small govt and personal freedom, but I guess the voting demographics have changed that philosophy. It is a lot easier to run on a throw away issue like flag burning or gay marriage (which nothing gets done on) then to actually be a competant candidate. There has to be some people out there who are still fiscal conservatives, it seems like we are no longer represented
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 05:07 PM | Link to this
You pinkos will get over this devastating loss, it won’t be that bad to hear the Blessed Name of the Lord spoken all through this great land. What I worry about is the number of defeats you libs keep getting handed. The Iraqis have turned out in numbers that make our election participation look puny. They seem to be enjoying the freedom you pinkos so desperately don’t want them to have. Bush is bragging about the economy, his poll numbers are climbing rapidly. Tookie’s not sharing his version of “free speech” with any one but God now.
Hey look at the bright side, at least you still got NAMBLA to defend, for now anyway.
Merry Christmas!
By pinko
December 15, 2005 05:10 PM | Link to this
Andy are you seriously incapable of understanding this concept?
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
please tell us that you can. it’s only a 10 word concept.
By sickoftheneocons
December 15, 2005 05:10 PM | Link to this
Andy, similarly I’m sure those same boys at Normandy were saying, Gee! I died defending the freedom of speech so that one day a pigf-ucker like Andy can come along and do his darndest to try and curtail that very right.
See it works both ways!
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 05:10 PM | Link to this
“I’m a wiz with computers and I’ll track you down.” Man, you are a riot. If you can’t discuss issues without getting mad, go play somewhere else. I don’t really feel all that threatened by an 11-year-old. That’s hardly talk of a God-loving grownup. Don’t take my word for it; I’m just some dude on a blog you don’t know (one who owns a lot of guns and is 6-foot-8, for all you know). Go talk to your pastor and see what he says.
By candide
December 15, 2005 05:12 PM | Link to this
You Christians need a drink and a lay.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this
Funny, you would think that someone that likes to point out their use of big words could spot a fake post.
By RE
December 15, 2005 05:17 PM | Link to this
Andy, just checking, have you come up with an example when your right to speak about your faith has been infinged?
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 05:20 PM | Link to this
RW, Jeez, is your frustration still boiling? Why don’t you take a nap and cool off. Or maybe go sit on your mommy’s lap and tell her all about it. She’ll make you feel better because she’ll tell you that one day you can become as smart as the other kids in the class, maybe even as smart as Dr R.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 05:23 PM | Link to this
Got a drink. Not sure about the lay at this point, but the night is young.
By RE
December 15, 2005 05:25 PM | Link to this
Thats why the Catholics have the communal wine and alter boys in the same room…
ok that was in poor taste
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 05:28 PM | Link to this
It is rather obvious that these pinkos were raised without the benefit of a stable, loving family. While consideration for their well being should be our utmost concern, we must also hope that they never bring any children of their own into this world. It seems that they learned how to interact with others, in the mother’s absence, by reading the forum section in Penthouse magazine. I’m sure the older males in their family took a more supervisory role as the reached the pre teen years but this “fostering” doesn’t appear to have helped very much.
Oh well, keep them in your prayers.
Merry Christmas!
By pinko
December 15, 2005 05:30 PM | Link to this
Andy, I repeat again, please tell us if you are capable of understanding this concept.
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
By Bill
December 15, 2005 05:30 PM | Link to this
Andy: you presume that the Iraqi turnout is in support of the American mission. You seem to think well of the Iraqi sentiment, now. Since the polling numbers indicate that 2/3 of the Iraqi populace wants an immediate withdrawal of foreign troops, I suppose that you agree with that sentiment as well? Why do they want us gone; so they can establish a fair and equitable American style of government there? Maybe they just want to get back to “business as usual” now that the “silly” Americans have infused their economy with BILLIONS of dollars. Hey, if I say Saddam abused me, too, can I get a multi-Billion dollar check next month and the month after that? We are running a 3 billion dollar trade deficit every month; that’s a good economy? You now that historically the only way to fix that kind of lunacy is recession or currency devaluation, right?
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 05:31 PM | Link to this
RE, thanks for trying to explain economic fascism. Bankruptcy laws? If one person borrows property, under a contract, from another individual or entity they must return that property to the original lender, what’s wrong with that? Oil and gas subsidies? They only matter because we have a corrupt tax code that allows politicians to hide things and divide the nation. Take that power away from them and watch them change their behaviors.
It has been real and it has been fun, but it hasn’t been real fun.
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 05:32 PM | Link to this
Wow, apparently it’s been a busy day…I’ll have to catch up (if I can) tonight. I did notice about half way through that someone inferred that I was posting under a different name, the answer is no. I haven’t had time to post anything; I’ve been slammed the last few days and am trying to catch up. As for the toon, I agree that it seems a bit vague. Not sure where ml was going with it. Also, I think they are in a cave (not a 9/11 back-drop). I haven’t forgotten you Scooter. I can say that you question is quite contradictory of itself…lol
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 05:36 PM | Link to this
Sorry, bub, I didn’t understand that at all. Penthouse forum? Don’t get it. I’m guess I’m really not all that smart, but in here … well, let’s just say it isn’t hard to stand out, with a few exceptions (most heretofore known as “pinkos” for reasons yet to be explained …)
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 05:37 PM | Link to this
Bill,
More Iraqis demanding we leave immediately
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 05:38 PM | Link to this
…and yes, I have noticed a dramatic increase of people posting under other peoples tags…not cool
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 05:42 PM | Link to this
Bill: The 2/3 poll number is bogus. They want us to leave when the mission is finished.
Merry Christmas!
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 05:43 PM | Link to this
Geezus, How was the bar? Real quick before I head out;
Geezus, Your million dollar question is; Why do you seem to not have a problem with Saddam standing before the world and making a mockery of the UN and their resolutions. All the while (during the nineties) his democracy elected him by percentages in the ninety percent rage and it improved with each election. These election results would signify great human rights abuses, but where was the noble UN?
Now I’m realy going to bounce.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 05:44 PM | Link to this
Andy, I repeat again, please tell us if you are capable of understanding this concept.
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 05:47 PM | Link to this
Brave Iraqis are indeed voting in large numbers for the right to self determination and freedom of expression, the same rights we have championed for two centuries. Only if the caliphates and jihadists keep control will religious dogma become part of the nation’s law, as it is in Iran and other oppressive regimes in the region. So what kind of example should we set for them? Support liberty or insist that all follow the majority faith, under penalty of law?
Seems we’ve come full circle. Good point for me to bow out for the evening and find other people to go bother. A pleasant evening to all (and a drink and a lay to all who seek them).
By Bill
December 15, 2005 05:49 PM | Link to this
Andy: hope you’re right but it’s been my experience that you can’t make a silk purse from a cow’s ear. 2/3 polling is widely reported, although I like you remain suspicious of all polling. Considering the amount of unrest in Iraq it actually seems a little low. If the Iraqis really wanted freedom, THEY would have overthrown Saddam, not us.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 05:49 PM | Link to this
pinko: You mean Church seperate from government like it was at Plymouth Rock?
They believed the Church could only be under the headship of Christ
Praise be to God that these dudes weren’t pervert sissy libs like the ones on this blog.
Merry Christmas!
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 05:50 PM | Link to this
Andy, wow, that’s a brilliant argument. “The 2/3 poll number is bogus.” So you know better in your head what an entire populace is feeling?
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 05:50 PM | Link to this
[Hopefully RW can see which post I’m talking about}(http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2005/12/14/thewaron_chri.html#comment-236273)
What’s wrong with stores having a “Holiday Sale” before Christmas and a “Christmas Sale” after? They are, after all, using the term ‘Christmas’…or is just because they will be choosing when they are using the term? Makes no sense to me. Christians want stores to use the word Christmas and I guess they also want to be able to say when the stores should us it as well? (yes, sarcasim intended)
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 05:54 PM | Link to this
It’s “separate.” And the Pilgrims were forming a small community that shared their faith, not writing a Constitution for a whole country. Different thing entirely.
OK, I really am leaving now. (this thing is like eating peanuts, ain’t it?)
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 05:54 PM | Link to this
corrected link to previous post
By pinko
December 15, 2005 05:55 PM | Link to this
Andy, is that link supposed to be persuasive of anything? I repeat again, please tell us if you understand this concept.
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
It seems you can’t bring yourself to acknowledge this basic concept. I guess it’s because you really do want your fundamentalist theocratic ideology to take over the world.
By Dr R
December 15, 2005 05:56 PM | Link to this
Oh, and the Puritans didn’t celebrate Christmas, either. Too ostentatious for them. They believed in quiet, private shows of faith, not big public displays (like, for instance, a big “Merry Christmas” sign over the local Wal-Mart …)
OK, last peanut …
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 06:04 PM | Link to this
IS that you Geezur?,
I gave my answer to your alter ego here
By Dusty
December 15, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this
When I think of Andy, I think of the Marines. He is strong, faithful, competent, totally honest and doesn’t like a bunch of “stuff”. That is why all you liberal “politicians”, atheists, libertarians,and non-believers love him so much. You don’t like too much mushy stuff yourselves and bare your fangs every time he posts. Perhaps Andy is not so much into defending “rights” as much as he is into the right thing. You have to admit that NAMBLA or whatever is one sick group. Andy doesn’t get beyond that. Perhaps we need him because too many go the other way. Call it balance. Free speech gives us all kinds of opportunities.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:10 PM | Link to this
The First Charter of Virginia (granted by King James I, on April 10, 1606) We, greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God…
They were thinking of you when they spoke of ignorance, pinko.
Merry Christmas!
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:15 PM | Link to this
Andy, I repeat, can you understand this concept:
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
It’s scary that you can’t bring yourself to acknowledge this concept.
By RE
December 15, 2005 06:17 PM | Link to this
Dusty, you don’t like libertarians now?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:17 PM | Link to this
John Adams: “The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.�
We doing better, pinko?
Merry Christmas!
By Daniel
December 15, 2005 06:17 PM | Link to this
I don’t have the time some of you seem to have for this. And, I don’t know that I’ll be back before the years end. So, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. Happy Holidays and Seasons Greetings, as well.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 06:20 PM | Link to this
The old saying is true. If you want to start an argument just mention religion or politics. 368 posts wow.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:21 PM | Link to this
Dusty, NAMBLA is sick. They have absolutely no right to act on their speech.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 06:21 PM | Link to this
Daniel,
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too. Be safe over the Holidays!
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:23 PM | Link to this
Andy, I’m sorry are you citing the Constitution? I didn’t think so. I repeat, can you understand this concept:
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:26 PM | Link to this
“I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.â€?
His personal beliefs are quite interesting. Thanks for the quote.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:27 PM | Link to this
John Adams- “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” —October 11, 1798
It wasn’t made for perverts, pinko.
Merry Christmas!
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:30 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry, I forget where in the Constitution itself it mentions that it was made only for religious people. Can you point me to that section? I repeat, can you understand this concept:
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
If you can’t acknowledge this concept, then clearly you are advocating that we should live in a theocracy.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:33 PM | Link to this
I’m out of there. Andy, you clearly have no original thoughts of your own other than that you want to live in a Christian fundamentalist theocracy and force everyone else to do the same. You’re a lost cause.
By Brian Curtis
December 15, 2005 06:34 PM | Link to this
This is fun, watching Andy twist and dodge and try not to answer as you guys pin him down. Way to go Pinko, Dr. R., and Bill! You’re showing him up for the frothing, raving loon he is—and utterly unable to form a cogent thought or coherent answer to any question.
In other words, an ignorant troll. Thanks for the public service! Andy’s been exposed as a fool, and we can all sit back and laugh at him.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:35 PM | Link to this
At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22; “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us.�
Pretty convincing pinko.
Merry Christmas!
By candide
December 15, 2005 06:37 PM | Link to this
Wine and altar boys in the same room?
Come on! Every Catholic knows that priests are wierd and that they are not to be trusted.
The suspicion of the clergy is as old as religion. But I would probably trust a priest more than an evangelical preacher. At least the priest has some education, as poor as it may be. The evangelical preacher has simply heard a calling — that is, he has heard voices telling him that preaching will get him laid.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:38 PM | Link to this
Andy, actually not convincing at all. You should read this and try citing some passages from its text.
Bye.
By candide
December 15, 2005 06:39 PM | Link to this
I’d strangle every Christian with my own hands if I had the opportunity, the strength and the nerve.
By candide
December 15, 2005 06:40 PM | Link to this
But a gun would be easier.
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:41 PM | Link to this
Brian, I’m out of here, but see if Andy will try to keep sidestepping the fact that he wants to live in a Christian fundamentalist theocracy and wants to force everyone else to do the same. For the last time, I repeat, can you understand this concept:
Religion in private life = good.
Religion entangled with government = bad.
Again, if you can’t acknowledge this concept, then clearly you are advocating that we should live in a Christian fundamentalist theocracy.
By Daniel
December 15, 2005 06:42 PM | Link to this
Candide: What do you really mean?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:43 PM | Link to this
Oh, did the little pinkos give up? Just when I was getting to the Declaration Of Independence. I guess their weak education didn’t prepare them for the fact that the history of this great country is slam full of references to the Divine Providence. How could they expect me to list all of these quotes in just a few minutes?
Some people just don’t want to learn..
Merry Christmas!
By pinko
December 15, 2005 06:43 PM | Link to this
Brian, I wasn’t directing that last bit at you.
By Pinko Substitute
December 15, 2005 06:46 PM | Link to this
Andy, what about the Constitution?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:50 PM | Link to this
Alright- Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
Separation of Church and state indeed. Why weren’t they sued by the ACLU?
Merry Christmas!
By Pinko Substitute
December 15, 2005 06:53 PM | Link to this
Andy, is that all you have? That’s pretty pathetic. I guess some people (like you) really are crazy and want a Christian, Taliban-like theocracy. I can’t believe given all of those chances you wouldn’t deny that.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 06:56 PM | Link to this
How can you put Christian and Taliban together in the same sentence and then call me crazy? You know paranoia is a form of insanity dude. Do I have to look that up for you too?
Merry Christmas!
By Daniel
December 15, 2005 06:58 PM | Link to this
So what! Here’s the problem. I have my religion and I believe in my God. I don’t think or feel my religion or God is better than yours. But, you do. Also, Schiavo is the case in point. One particular religious point of view was used by our government to attempt to trump the law! I think they see how unwise this was. Too many of you want to shove your religion down our throats. This is scary. Leave us alone.
By Pinko Substitute
December 15, 2005 07:01 PM | Link to this
you still didn’t deny that you want us to live in a Christian theocracy. Now it’s too late. You’ve shown your true colors, you crazy fundmentalist. There are good Christians in this world and there are crazy Christians, like you. There are good Muslims in this world and there are crazy Muslims, like the Taliban. You are the latter. That’s how I put them in the same sentence. See you later, you insane, vile, theocrat.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 07:03 PM | Link to this
Daniel: Is the ACLU suing you? They are me.
The pinko “religion”- According to Levine, Jon Stewart is the right messenger at the right time for a generation whose attitude can best be summed up by the word, “Whatever.â€? He believes it is a generation devoid of attention span, not interested in nuance or serious thought, and one with a cynical, satirical view of the world matched by Stewart. “It is easier to blame Bush and Cheney for your problems than to take responsibility for your own role in them,â€? he contends.
Merry Christmas!
By Marion of Texas
December 15, 2005 07:06 PM | Link to this
Mike Luckovich, thanks for yet another great cartoon. I don’t know about you but I think I am going to go re-read Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels. After reading through these comments (inane is a grossly inadequate description), I appreciate more than ever his satire. He was dead-on regarding yahoos. I’d like to think people had improved in the past several hundred years but alas, no such luck. Well, Mike, please keep on keepin’ on — maybe a light bulb will go off in one of these yahoos’ heads one day. Sheesh. By the way, happy holidays!
By RE
December 15, 2005 07:07 PM | Link to this
Jon Stewart is the problem now?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 07:14 PM | Link to this
This is interesting. Who would have ever thought that the term “Christian persecution” could wind up meaning that Christians make pinkos feel uncomfortable. Huh. When those Koreans were run over by the bulldozer for professing their faith in Christ, they were “attacking” the bulldozer with their heads. I get it.
It must be like that racist thing, where the pinkos call the Conservatives bigots and then they turn around and call black Republicans “oreos.”
The ACLU sues Christians where ever they can find them and the Christians are Taliban for fighting back.
Alice In Wonderland. In through the out door. It’s the pinko funhouse.
Merry Christmas!
By RE
December 15, 2005 07:18 PM | Link to this
what Koreans and what bulldozer, are you talking about the Chinese and the tank?
By Pinko Substitute
December 15, 2005 07:20 PM | Link to this
Andy, you’re such a dumba.s.s. they sue to stop government “entanglement” of religion like everyone has been telling you. Are you too dense to understand that? You’re an insane, vile theocrat who is evidently pretty effing stupid. And you still haven’t denied that you want a Christian theocracy.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 07:27 PM | Link to this
RE: New Reports Tell of Executions, Torture of Christians in N. Korea- Paragraph #5.
P.M.S.: This country was founded in 1776 and the ACLU didn’t start suing Christ until 1990. If you don’t mind, silly pinko, I’ll follow the leaders of the first 214 years. Clown.
Merry Christmas!
By getalife
December 15, 2005 07:35 PM | Link to this
Andy is like this guy He keeps going and going. Rush is in trouble again? If he needs meds, I can help him out.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 07:56 PM | Link to this
Geezus, you went right by my question like it wasn’t even there. I asked again at 5:38 , here:
Geezus, How was the bar? Real quick before I head out;
Geezus, Your million dollar question is; Why do you seem to not have a problem with Saddam standing before the world and making a mockery of the UN and their resolutions. All the while (during the nineties) his democracy elected him by percentages in the ninety percent rage and it improved with each election. These election results would signify great human rights abuses, but where was the noble UN?
Wow, I guess Howard Dean Brought out the hired guns to control this blog. I guess it all goes with the elitist attitude of the left. Candide even quoted Marx’s “rural idiocy”, at 12:38 P.M. Good to know that socialist underachievers will always exist.
Well, they have our private property rights, for now. But is their any end to their social engineering ambitions?
You all have fun in your nuance. I’m gonna step out and look at the big picture.
When the DNC gets the guns out and things slow down, so we can discuss things, I will be back.
By Ugotme?
December 15, 2005 08:18 PM | Link to this
My God, did I just watch (verbally) a pack of hungry wolves, mercilessly, and with the enthusiasm of a ruthless hoard, attack, wound, and then, after she lay helplessly bleeding, continue to tear at her flesh!!! OOOUUU! That was ugly.
But Jesus is the sickest human example I have ever seen. I liked him much better when his message was short and sweet. “IMPEACH BUSH NOW”. Man, those were the good old days. I think I just went from middle of the road (open to the best candidate regardless of party affiliation) to a straight Republican Ticket FOREVER, no matter what son-of-a-b*** is running. That was vicious people. I may have to begin giving God more consideration if you and the likes of you are the alternative.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 08:20 PM | Link to this
Scooter: What are you talking about, Howard Dean being in charge of this blog? Those punks couldn’t compete- I would have never in a million years thought that when the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock the first thought out of their heads would be “Gosh, this looks like a great place to have sex with little boys. Nobody will bother us here.â€? Sort of changes the way you look at America, listening to these pervert pinkos.
Howard Dean, my a-ss.
Merry Christmas!
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 08:28 PM | Link to this
Again, a couple of minutes here and there:
cAndy, I must admit that I was expecting a little more than “year of our Lord” (and personally I would’ve dropped the King James pre-US quote as we split from Britain not long after…IMO).
RW, 1) the only quotes I’ve made here have my name on them (though the one you said sounded like me actually DID kinda sound like me…very strange to read…lol). 2) I was referencing a post you made somewhere a mile up in this thread where you seemed to lash out at stores using “Christmas” in their ads after the fact, not before (the link was a “link to this” link that apparently decided not to work). If you addressed it somewhere else, I simply do not have the time right now to parse through the whole thread to find it (sorry I missed it).
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 08:31 PM | Link to this
Geezur,
I responded to you with the link directly to my answerhere it is again
By Dusty
December 15, 2005 08:31 PM | Link to this
Ugotme,
Welcome to the Republican Party. The only question I have for you is: WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG?
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 08:32 PM | Link to this
Andy,
See anything familiar here?
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 08:36 PM | Link to this
Geezur,
Here it is again if the link isn’t working for you.
Satan,
Although you sound alot like Geezur, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some of these stores. I frankly don’t care what they call anything. Last summer women’s belts were called skirts.
The stores know that people are going to buy Christmas gifts in advance of the holiday to celebrate the secular portion of Christmas, so they say Holiday sale knowing it won’t really hurt their business. After Christmas they discover the word because now Christians will be more selective.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 08:37 PM | Link to this
missuz: Where you expecting Lord Canterbury maybe? King James just shows you how long our Christian ancestry is. It goes much further back then that even.
Merry Christmas!
By Jesus
December 15, 2005 08:38 PM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
(The other Jesus is a false prophet)
By Ugotme?
December 15, 2005 08:40 PM | Link to this
Dusty: Thanks, glad to be here, I think. I’m serious about what I just witnessed. I’ve been here for some time, not participating, just laughing at some of the characters. I truly felt the need to regurgitate. Reminded me of “The Excorcist” and that lumpy green stuff. I’m surprised the words are still visible and not covered with same. I can just see them now, licking it up to regurgitate once again. OOOOUUUU!!!
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 08:41 PM | Link to this
For Scooter:
Geezus, How was the bar? Real quick before I head out;
Outstanding, that’s why I go…thanks for asking…
Geezus, Your million dollar question is; Why do you seem to not have a problem with Saddam standing before the world and making a mockery of the UN and their resolutions. All the while (during the nineties) his democracy elected him by percentages in the ninety percent rage and it improved with each election. These election results would signify great human rights abuses, but where was the noble UN?
First Scooter, election results signify nothing other than the results of an election, so your question is not a valid one. Second, In the first part/area of your question you seem to have supported the UN “Saddam standing before the world and making a mockery of the UN and their resolutions” - though not explicitly stated here, the only way to read this from the information given is that the UN and it’s resolutions are substantial and important enough to be followed to the letter (the word mockery helps establish this). Yet in the same breath (be it a different part/area of the question) but where was the noble UN? - you then flip to the other side of the fence and present the UN as (almost?) a joke.
SO, you would like me to give an answer to an invalid question that contradicts itself? I’m sorry, but you’ll need to phrase it in the form of a (proper) question.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this
RW: That’s cute that gttim has moved on to the harder drugs. What about baldAndy, they’re stalking me at all of the pinko sites.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 08:46 PM | Link to this
Andy,
The next page invites people to come here and play. Now that was back near the start in Oct., but there was definitely some kind of invasion here today. People don’t usually start trying to pick a fight with everybody in sight the second they start posting.
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 08:48 PM | Link to this
and cAndy, early 1600’s is not THAT far back. I say leave out the British stuff because if you’ll remember, religious persecution was one of the reason (though not the only) that the pilgrims sought the new world.
RW - so I guess that we share a common view on this one
By sct
December 15, 2005 08:50 PM | Link to this
Wow, RW and Andy are still here crying about that azz whooping they got, hilarious. Yes, it was a big pinko conspiracy,lol.
By Ugotme?
December 15, 2005 08:50 PM | Link to this
Some of you with my (now opposing) party seem to think through opposing views with a rational process. Tell me, what do you think of those who represented your party here tonight. Come on over to the “light side” with me and my new friend, Dusty.
I’m gonna have trouble sleeping tonight knowing that they are out there, somewhere, in the darkness, skulking and licking the blood from their mouths, waiting to attack their prey.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 08:52 PM | Link to this
RW: I noticed. I missed a couple hours and hated it, they were game today. I honestly hope they stick around. Not many of their ideas are presentable much less debatable. This could start to be fun.
Merry Christmas!
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 08:53 PM | Link to this
Geezus,
If you mean about what stores call sales I guess we do. The response I got back was, to paraphrase, “Go shop at your Bible store then.”
I thought you were losing it, glad it wasn’t you. lol
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 08:54 PM | Link to this
oh yeah, for an interesting read about the bible, checkout the book “The Bible as Literature” by John Gabel, Charles Wheeler, and Anthony York. It is a solid read for christian and atheist alike (can’t really speak for muslims). And yes cAndy, I read that at that pinko lib christian college that I graduated from.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 08:58 PM | Link to this
That’s a real solid argument you got there, missuz, 400 hundred years ain’t that long. Great. And if the British were persecutors of the Christians, what does that make the pinkos of today?
Merry Christmas!
By Ugotme?
December 15, 2005 08:58 PM | Link to this
You sickos need to go back up and re-read your posts when the scent of fresh blood has left your nostrils. Surely, you yourselves will be shocked. I would hope so, but I think not. Be ashamed! You have done no one a service this day. I’m going to bath, and no Jesus, I won’t be needing you to lather me up in the shower.
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 09:01 PM | Link to this
RW, interesting site. I did notice that an opposing perspective was missing in the one’s they chose to post (although I did like the Al-Queida Journal Constitution…lol). I guess maybe that’s where the invasion here came from. From what I could stand to read, there were a few good discussions, too many vicious hacks (on both sides), and an insane amount of just odd people (who like to use other peoples tag).
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 09:01 PM | Link to this
Ugotme?,
They won’t be ashamed at all. Look at sct’s comment, they think this is effective argument.
Welcome!
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 09:02 PM | Link to this
I think Mothra might be in the room with us. Ugotme? Is that you John?
Merry Christmas!
By getalife
December 15, 2005 09:02 PM | Link to this
A bunch of God Warriors.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 09:03 PM | Link to this
Whoa, BigDaddy steps away for a while and a blood feud breaks out!
Geezus, I agree, there were a lot of odd folks jumping in on other’s tags. Reprehensible.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 09:07 PM | Link to this
I still can’t get that song out of my head and I over medicated. Speaking of meds, RRRRuuuusssshhh is in trouble again?
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 09:09 PM | Link to this
I know for a fact that Candide was one of the name jumpers. She took that nice Carols name and did evil with it. But she used her style of writing instead of Carol’s. It was one of those CBS fake document deals that got Dan Blather, pinkos can’t copy type very well.
Merry Christmas!
By Ugotme?
December 15, 2005 09:09 PM | Link to this
Andy: No, as my name implies Ugotme? I’ll be back, no backing out for me, but give me some time to catch my breath. I admire the fortitude of you guys. I don’t know how you do it, maintain your cool heads while theirs split wide open with incoherent rage and venomous attacks. And then there is that green lumpy stuff they leave behind. EEEEOOOUUU!
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 09:09 PM | Link to this
cAndy:
And if the British were persecutors of the Christians, what does that make the pinkos of today?
I never said christians, I said Pilgrims. Politicians in Britain were using the church as a vehicle to effect/control the population (i.e. control the church/control the people). The Pilgrims were considered a fanatical group and did not conform in Britain so they chose to leave. Most christian groups stayed in Britain.
Separation of church and state was established here (originally) not to keep the church out of the government, but to keep the government out of churches. It is interesting how this all seemed to have flipped.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 09:13 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Check out the fake Andy post at 5:01, it’s pretty easy to see that was Ira.
By Objective Observer
December 15, 2005 09:14 PM | Link to this
I am so sorry. I guess Candide and I are not friends after all. But she did wish somebody a Merry Christmas.
By I Wish I Was Andy
December 15, 2005 09:14 PM | Link to this
missuz: Care to make a little side bet on the Pilgrims not being Christian? I’ll even let you search for evidence at the pinko websites.
Merry Christmas!
By Geezus
December 15, 2005 09:14 PM | Link to this
gtg, it’s getting late and another day-from-hel-l tomorrow (with the fryer of course…lol). I’ll see you on the next one…
By A Libertarian
December 15, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this
Hey BigDaddy did you notice there was even a real Libertarian here not a Lino like you.
I will echo sct’s comments if he/she was praising the work of Pinko, Dr. R., and Bill, good work.
I will agree though that the nasty talk from one of the others was out of line. But that could have been the work of one of the regulars around here to divert attention.
Oh, and ugotome, nice try, what other name do you use here, hmmmm, probably need 2 guesses at the most.
By Objective Observer
December 15, 2005 09:27 PM | Link to this
BTW Big Daddy, thanks for the “ratings” on your links. The problem is, I can’t resist the urge to check them out. You have corrupted this “church lady”. No, I can’t chide you for my subverted deviate nature.
By Objective Observer
December 15, 2005 09:31 PM | Link to this
Oops! Make that deviant, no never mind, you already have. Just kidding!
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 09:31 PM | Link to this
A Libertarian, and a pleasant good evening to you too! Do you just wade in at the end of the day to try to take potshots? The only time I ever see you post anything is in vain attempts to denigrate me. Since you seemed to miss so much, let me catch you up - Scooter is in favor of our actions in Iraq. But Scooter claims to be a libertrarian too! How can that be? Could it be that not every libertarian fits into your little mold? Shouldn’t we be trying to grow the party, you know, be accepting of a wide range of ideas instead of you trying to decide who can be in and who can’t? The Libertarian Party isn’t some boys clubhouse. Grow up.
But I will echo your sentiments, and I’ve never been one to sing the praises of the ACLU, but I think salient points were made in their favor today.
All in all, it was ugly though.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 09:33 PM | Link to this
Objective Observer, you know I have no power to corrupt what was already filthy, don’t you?
By getalife
December 15, 2005 09:47 PM | Link to this
This is interesting I wonder if BD is LW?
By whynot
December 15, 2005 09:53 PM | Link to this
Big Daddy, it’s simple Scooters not a libertarian hes just a hate monger
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 09:57 PM | Link to this
getalife, this is interesting - is The Scribbler really Batman?
By getalife
December 15, 2005 10:00 PM | Link to this
He does look a lot like him.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 10:04 PM | Link to this
BigDaddy,
ml could be Mr. Mom
By getalife
December 15, 2005 10:06 PM | Link to this
He could pass as his twin brother.
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 10:09 PM | Link to this
I wonder if The Scribbler sounds like this - Beetlejuice
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 10:09 PM | Link to this
getalife,
All Michael Keaton needs is a few of these
By BigDaddy
December 15, 2005 10:12 PM | Link to this
BigDaddy’s off to bed, gentlemen. Sweet dreams…
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 10:14 PM | Link to this
BigDaddy,
That was cruel, I bet getalife had just about gotten that out of his head.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 10:15 PM | Link to this
Good night.
By getalife
December 15, 2005 10:16 PM | Link to this
It is a very catchy tune. A lot of good links today.
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 10:25 PM | Link to this
Objective Observer,
Heads up! ml has scribbled a new umm.. er.. a new scribble.
By Dusty
December 15, 2005 10:35 PM | Link to this
Hmmm, RW, do you think that there is “something rotten in Denmark”? Hmmm
By RW-(the original)
December 15, 2005 10:40 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
You reckon?
By Dusty
December 15, 2005 10:52 PM | Link to this
RW,
just seems like the new Republican is a bit too specific.
By Scooter
December 15, 2005 10:53 PM | Link to this
Geesuz, I understand how you say that is an invalid question, shows logic on your part. The inverse was my thinking un the whole UN are our allies argument from the liberal leaders. My question then was, If the we need the UN, shouldn’t they mean what they say. Otherwise what good are they and when were France, Russia, and Germany our strongest allies.
There were several instances like that throughout. Like the August sixth PDB. That PDB said some Middle-Eastern guys were seen photographing Federal Buildings in NY. So, without the Patriot Act what was the president supposed to do, without infringing on CLs. Would the libs have shut up if Bush instituted a Patriot Act prior to 9/11, prevented the attack, and then nobody would have experienced 9/11. I Doubt it, but criticism seems to be passing off as policy and plan.
You know, I could get on the republicrats in here, but staying alive and making sure the troops feel appreciated is what is most important to me right now. Well that and freedom from gubment.
Catch ya on the flip side.
By Phil
December 16, 2005 01:00 AM | Link to this
No, rushincap, Andy, RW, Buff, the rest have NO lives. Typical of the breed. Full of self-failure and self-hate. never gonna improve. True insectile mentalities. This is what allows a thing like Bush to be elected. Pitiful people.
By Scott
December 16, 2005 01:09 AM | Link to this
Tell us all about it and your great “successes,” SCOOTER. I’ll bet you got that name because you “pleasured” all the boys in the neighborhood. You’re just another useless right-wing waste that should have been retro aborted. It would be funny, were it (you) not so disgusting. Another make-believe hero in our midst. Same, same, same. Back under your rock and go to sleep.
By Objective Observer
December 16, 2005 05:40 AM | Link to this
I just checked out Getalife’s link ironic is the talent on this blog site making him infamous in his own mind? Something to think about. Topics discussed create next day cartoon and so on and so on and so…….