Mike Luckovich

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 06:13 PM | Link to this

Can’t wait for cAndy and RW to cry about this one.

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 06:24 PM | Link to this

I held these views before the invasion. I was quoted in The Washington Post in February 2003 on my point of view. But during the first three, four, or five months after the intervention, the mood of the country was such that you really couldn’t debate this, so I decided to raise these issues again this spring because I think events are beginning to show that these judgments may be well-founded. Lt. Gen. William Odom May 6, 2004

ml,

Why do you make this so easy

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 2, 2005 06:27 PM | Link to this

We are recycling news now? Bush has got these pinkos scrapping the bottom of the barrel-

Wednesday, May 12th, 2004 Ex-National Security Agency Head Calls For U.S. Troop Withdrawal From Iraq Lt. Gen. William Odom has become the highest ranking retired general calling for U.S. troops to completely withdraw. He served as director of the National Security Agency under President Reagan. [includes rush transcript]

I guess I have more resources than the AJC does.

Merry Christmas!

By cutandrun

December 2, 2005 06:27 PM | Link to this

Thanks Mike, great website.Love this article. He should cut and run like his Daddy!

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 06:27 PM | Link to this

So what is your statement RW?? I’m sure you have something there other than your wonderful italicizing skills. Perhaps an opinion?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 2, 2005 06:27 PM | Link to this

RW: High Five!

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 06:30 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I’m glad we got different quotes.

Geezus,

That would be a quote, note the name and date.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 2, 2005 06:31 PM | Link to this

Well, lookie here-

TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMMITTEE ON CREATING A DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 21 June 2002 by William E. Odom

I thought homeland security was Bush’s fault?

Merry Christmas!

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 06:31 PM | Link to this

What is hilarious to me is the “passion of the cAndy (and RW)”

Here they obviously despise Mike’s point of view, but by continually clicking, refreshing, and posting, they are only insuring the he will be around longer and longer because of his blog traffic and click-throughs. Of course I’m sure this is some kind of “pinko” conspiracy against the republicrats….right?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 2, 2005 06:35 PM | Link to this

Oh, look, I found the Arabic translation, naw, our dissent has no effect on the enemy-

Tell Us More, General

Merry Christmas!

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 06:38 PM | Link to this

Alright, you both have adequately demonstrated that Gen. Odom is remarkably consistent in his beliefs, now how about expressing an opinion about his statement. I’m interested in how you are going to rip apart a highly-respected military hero simply because his opinion differs from yours.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 2, 2005 06:39 PM | Link to this

Beautiful-

Wednesday August 10th, 2005 Nieman Watchdog What’s Wrong With Cutting and Running? Everything that opponents of a pullout say would happen if the U.S. left Iraq is happening already, says retired Gen. William E. Odom, the head of the National Security Agency during the Reagan administration. So why stay?

This was when John Kerry was for the war in Iraq…

Merry Christmas!

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 06:40 PM | Link to this

And again I ask for your opinion

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 06:42 PM | Link to this

You have yet to post your thoughts. It is truly amazing that you can breath without having a pundits article telling how to do it. You are programmed to regurgitate what you hear. It is too late for you. (if you are on a ventilator, I apologize)

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 06:44 PM | Link to this

Maybe the guy really is an expert on military collapse

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 06:47 PM | Link to this

Geezus,

The point is every time one of these retread arguments comes out it is presented as if someone had suddenly changed their mind.

Mothra, this guy. Why present it as something new?

I thought being consistent was a bad thing with you guys.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 2, 2005 06:48 PM | Link to this

The Iranians are all for it! The Honorable General won them over, why, I should go anti war right now myself! Geezus, tell me what I should say!

This is a trip, Look at Kerry

By Dusty

December 2, 2005 06:55 PM | Link to this

Well, I have already posted my thoughts on the likes of Luckovich and his type. I put it under “Anyway, merry something” so I won’t repeat it. Whatever.

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 06:58 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I read your other post, well said.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 2, 2005 06:59 PM | Link to this

Alright, I’ll ease up, I’ve made my point. What I do want to know, and this is a valid question, did cartoon boy fall for this “news” or does he look upon the pinkos as too stupid to figure it out on their own?

I already know the answer, this is typical for the AJC. I challenge you libs to go back and find one negative article in the their archives, either about the war or the economy, that actually did come true. I’ll even include stories about yesterday’s weather (they like to pimp global warming.)

I guess some people just don’t mind being lied to. Or maybe they are stupid.

Merry Christmas!

By bushiscrazy

December 2, 2005 07:08 PM | Link to this

Well I watched Bushie’s little economy speech today and when he walked away, with reporters screaming questions at him, he turned around and waved at the reporters with an evil grin on his face. At that point, I knew he is insane.

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 07:32 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I was going to let up on Odom too, but I found this little gem from a German TV show called Panoram in Sept. 2004:

“When the president says he is staying the course, that makes me really afraid. For a leader has to know when to change course. Hitler did not change his course: rather he kept sending more and more troops to Stalingrad and they suffered more and more casualties.”

Nice touch comparing Bush to Hitler on German TV. Want to bet he was on the Kerry staff?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 2, 2005 07:45 PM | Link to this

RW: Scary thought, the dude was once in charge of the national security of the United States.

I coulda swore Cynthia Tucker quoted Odom back when he first made his treason known to all, but I can’t get anything to come up.

Merry Christmas!

By Tim

December 2, 2005 07:59 PM | Link to this

What the hell is the color of the sky in Bush world?At one timei believed this administration to be corrupt and arrogant.Now I’m convinced their arrogance is only surpassed by their incompetence.I think America may finially be awaking

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 08:07 PM | Link to this

Buff in 5…4…3…

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 08:12 PM | Link to this

And still you’ve not expressed an original opinion (original to you — not to someone else).

Mental Masturbation

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 08:18 PM | Link to this

George W. is the most honest man alive…if you don’t believe it….just ask him

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 08:21 PM | Link to this

See I can post random links to other peoples opinions too….Rather than address an issue….Just post more links

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 08:23 PM | Link to this

Geezus,

Just go read all the Mothra threads.

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 08:49 PM | Link to this

It’s not fair, you can’t reasonably expect a man who wears a hairpiece or has a bad-dy-job, comb-over to have an ethical position….can you? I mean they’re just not honest right out the gate, right?

(if either of you have a hairpiece or a bad-dy-job, comb-over…I apologize)

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 08:52 PM | Link to this

WOW, this is much easier than actually having to think for yourself….Maybe I should consider getting my brainwashed too.

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 08:58 PM | Link to this

Here’s one even cAndy can figure-out…either way you’re a winner

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 09:01 PM | Link to this

D@mnit? Did someone roll cAndy away from his computer again??? Wake him up and roll him over - this blog is all he’s got left…apart from his lying administration

By Joe Roman

December 2, 2005 09:25 PM | Link to this

Any day now, we’ll be hearing something like “Iraqization”. Bush would have used it in his speech at the Naval Academy, but he can’t pronounce it. Still, we can see it coming. Just like thirty years ago, when Richard Nixon just declared the South Vietnamese Army ready to “take over the war”, our troops couldn’t get out fast enough then and they’ll get out just as fast now. Of course, “Vietnamization” was a lie, but it ended our military involvment there, and South Vietnam ceased to exist soon thereafter. Exactly the same thing will happen in-and to-Iraq. Just as “the commies” never showed up on the shores of California, the Jihadists will not be taking down the skyscrapers of Omaha. The rationale currently in vogue with the wingnuts would leave us in Iraq well into the next millennium, but guess what? Like all fanatics in American politics, they will be sold down the river by their heroes who, though incredibly crooked, currupt, murderous and foolish are nonetheless, not stupid. They’ll simply declare victory and get out. That’s the plan. It will just take little while to get all quarter billion or so of us to look the other way.

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 09:28 PM | Link to this

Always fun to live in Bush’s Police State … more Patriot Act please…gotta keeps those old women on the buses in line

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 09:34 PM | Link to this

Oh well, I guess they fell out the Matrix … amazing what can happen when you call someone out. cAndy & RW - enjoy your police state, and don’t forget…sign up for your tours in Iraq. Bush needs you!

By Joe Roman

December 2, 2005 09:41 PM | Link to this

By they way, excellent analogy between Stanilgrad and Iraq. Bush most certainly isn’t Hitler. He is, however, just as fanatical………and just as stupid. He doesn’t have to run for re-election of get another job again-ever. Everybody else in the regime-except Cheney-does. They’ll dress it up as something else, but “cut and run” or “Iraqization”. I think we’ll be on the way out two or three months before the 2006 mid-terms.

By finch

December 2, 2005 11:17 PM | Link to this

That’s what I get for coming in late. I miss ALL the fun, darnit. General Odom is no dummy, and the fact that his opinion on the justification of the Iraq war has been consistent for years doesn’t lessen his stature in my eyes. He was NOT for it before he was against it, if you know what I mean. And he’s far from the first Pentagon type to raise these questions. It’s no secret that Colin Powell has had his doubts.

And just between you, me, and some other finchbirds, some Pentagon types I know are very unhappy with the way the Iraq war is dragging on. Out of a sense of disipline and loyalty, they’ve refrained from public criticism of Team Bush. But they’re very distressed at the administration’s reluctance to either fish or cut bait. They’ve confided to people like Murtha with concerns like: Where’s the armor? Where’s the muscle? Comments like Rumsfelds’s famous “You go to war with the army you have” make them spit nails. They feel the administration’s giving them the shaft and they are very unhappy campers.

And Andy, while the latest numbers on economic growth and jobs appear positive, the confidence of consumers and investors right now is a mile wide and an inch deep. The BLS says real income in the US has been falling slowly but steadily the last 5 years. The gap between the top 20% and the bottom 20% of wage-earners is growing, and almost nobody is keeping up with the cost of living. More companies are dropping worker health insurance, or phasing in part time workers, or both. 45 million Americans don’t have health care coverage… Houston, we have a problem!! Then there’s the twin towers of government and personal debt as the nation mortgages it’s future, leaving our kids with the bill, payable to Asia, thank you.

I’m old enough to remember the Eisenhower 50s, the ballistic 60s, conplete with assassinations and ‘Nam, but still relatively stable, the scary 70s, with gas rationing, high interest rates and inflation that people today under 35 cannot fathom in their worst nightmares (thank you Jimmy Carter!), the Reagan 80s (which were scary, but profitable), and the Clinton 90s (which, admit it, were pretty good!)

I don’t think I’ve ever seen the American economy this fragile. And did I mention the housing bubble? I can’t wait for that pig to explode. (NOT!)

People have that haunted, deer in the headlights look in their eyes everytime they look at their bank statements, their jobs, their bills, and their wallets. And it’s not pretty.

Merry Christmas! And I DO mean that, dammit.

By buff

December 2, 2005 11:37 PM | Link to this

RW, thanks for the 8:07 post, party is over at my house, except for two hangers-ons. Ruth Bader Ginsberg did not show!

Any person can find another person to proffer an opinion supporting his/her claim. For every military figure that advocates against the war, there are several others in favor of that action. Talk to a service person who has been over there and you get a much different story that you hear from the left-wing, pinko, anti-Bush media. Re-upping for Iraq is high

These leftists are causing the deaths of Americans in Iraq, and the sad part is, they know it. Their agenda is to hurt this President any way they can, and if aiding and abetting Al Qaeda, even indirectly, advances their agenda, they will do that action. Damn, I despise them. G. nite

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 11:45 PM | Link to this

buff,

For the full effect you need this 8:06 post

By finch

December 2, 2005 11:49 PM | Link to this

buff, I’d have to disagree with you. The leftists aren’t causing the deaths of American servicemen and women in Iraq. The left didn’t invade with insufficient troops to secure Iraq. The left didn’t deploy with weak or absent armor. The left didn’t mouth excuses like, “.. you go to war with the Army you have”… I could go on and on…

If it were up to the left, the troops wouldn’t be there to wage an unnecessary war. And if they weren’t there, they wouldn’t be courting death there.

And buff, I don’t despise you. I feel sorry for you.

Merry Christmas.

By RW-(the original)

December 3, 2005 12:03 AM | Link to this

finch,

Your passion is admirable, but your conclusions only apply if we presuppose that the war is just an unnecessary excursion.

I don’t think it is. Bob Kerrey was adamant during the 9/11 hearings that had we only invaded Afghanistan before 9/11 we could have prevented it.

That’s possible, but had we done that and still been attacked it would have been said that Bush had brought it on in his lust for war. Had we invaded and not been attacked we would be hearing much of what we hear now about Iraq.

It’s not an easy call to say we should always wait to be attacked and then retaliate, but only with perfect supplies for any occurrence. Which also means you must have perfect intelligence and an unearthly vision to predict all circumstances in advance.

By TrueConservative

December 3, 2005 07:26 AM | Link to this

‘Not giving the president a rim job’ and ‘an agenda to hurt the president any way I can’ are not the same thing Buff

personally I think Al Queda gained strength when we invaded Iraq instead of going after Al Queda (you know…the guys who attacked us…)in Iran and Afganistan- that sent a pretty clear message to the arab world “we bring the apocolypse your extremist leaders warned you about… come shoot us” Do you think that insurgent activity is actually growing because I didnt give W a reach around? or could it be because they think a bunch of psycho christians have come to wipe out their civilization? (am I the only ojne that remembers the crusades?) of course many non chrisitan Americans are dying too but they would never no that because most of our army cant say ‘hello’ in arabic… and the Administration thinks bullets are better for peacemaking than i dunno…food? W cant even fathom the poverty he causes in his own country much less realize that people are joining terrorist groups because theyre starving, undeducated and convinced the United States wants to kill them all.

But thats a good thing because when a U.S. soldier tries to help sombody and gets gunned down because he didnt have any protective gear and people have no idea what hes saying… youll blame me instead of questioning why the White House insisted on going to Iraq despite more imminent threats elsewhere… fired everyone who disagreed …left our homeland vulnerable while not persueing Al Queda… spent more money than any administration in history while not implementing ANY of the terror prevention guidelines of the 9/11 commission (including those that could have saved lives in Katrina) cut education and conservation… rolled back almost all of the environmental protections in the U.S and placed oil lobbyists in all of the highes EPA positions to finish the job…. the economy is going to hell and now hes going to solve our energy problems by putting oil rigs in Yellowstone National Park- Teddy Roosivelt (a TRUE Conservtive) is rolling in his grave.

Youre to busy screamin Liberal and Conservative to realize theres nothing ‘conservative’ about this administration… and you dont even question the motives of W and the extreme right because their propegana machine is so great you dont even know who Frank Luntz is and youre convinced that anything negative said about him is a liberal media conspiracy… why is it that it took years for the corporate media to print anything negative about W even though alot of this corrupt crap has been happening since the day he was sworn in? (mercury non hazerdous? oil lobbyists running the EPA? Dissolving Superfund so that taxpayers pay to clean up toxic waste instead of the polluters?) Could it be that W is in bed with corrupt corporations? Surely the administration hasnt payed reporters off to report favorably on them. And you dont even stop pointing at me long enough to question why? Why are we in Iraq? Is there some motive we dont understand or is this all a big distraction? Youre so busy pointing and yelling ‘Pinko’ you didnt notice you were giving Moussilini a rim job.

Maybe fake town halls, photo ops with soldiers ‘faux news’ and idylic phrases like ‘stay the course’ ‘No child left behind’ ‘Clear skies initiative”family values’ and all that other crap that came out of Frank Luntz works on you but it doesnt on me… Perhaps you think that calling an apple a rhinocerous with conviction is a strength… im more interested in actual leadership… I couldnt possibly care less what pollitical party it came from. oh and while youre busy blaming anybody who disagrees with anything you say for all your problems (like a good little tool) I also feel sorry for you…

By Huh?

December 5, 2005 08:53 AM | Link to this

It’s always great when an alcoholic pedophile such as Andy starts presching morality and patriotism.

By Clem

December 13, 2005 04:10 PM | Link to this

Dubya, I read where you referred to Bush and today’s Republicans as “white trash.” Son, that’s an insult to white trash everywhere.