Mike Luckovich

By finch

November 30, 2005 06:32 PM | Link to this

Watching President Bush’s speech this morning, I can understand this cartoon. Same old same old. I didn’t walk away, but I did have to resist the urge to change the channel.

By Geezus

November 30, 2005 06:36 PM | Link to this

But I thought we already declared victory over a year and a half ago….hmmmmmm

By Daniel

November 30, 2005 06:38 PM | Link to this

I didn’t listen. Bu$h has betrayed us. We should declare victory and leave. America could give a hoot about her veterans and the Iraq War. Anothr speech, another phony backdrop, who cares? When the Bu$h family straps one on, when the rich muster in, give me a call. Until then, our GI’s are in this one alone. America just doesn;t care.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 06:41 PM | Link to this

Obviously this lucky family was warned that John Kerry would be speaking next.

By BEVERLY

November 30, 2005 06:46 PM | Link to this

Hi Mike, Why no cartoons about our economy? Guess the economy is doing so great and you don’t want to give Bush the credit!

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 06:54 PM | Link to this

I feel sorry for the little girl in the cartoon. Her parents are obviously failures from the Vietnam era; all they want to do is to relive their “glory” days. They want no part of the eventual American victory, they don’t want to hear of freedom for the good people of Iraq. And the poor little girl will never experience pride in her great country; never feel the satisfaction of being Freedom’s Light to the World.

Nope, all she’ll ever know how to do is whine about how bad things are, constantly complain about her government and all the other pitiful doings of the pinko. What a sad life.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 06:58 PM | Link to this

Then again, since the TV is bigger than the couch maybe they have to go into another room when they really want to see something. Did you ever sit in the front row of a theater?

By getalife

November 30, 2005 07:03 PM | Link to this

I think what is sad is where the President has to make his speeches. It is like he can’t go out in front of civilians or he will be heckled or protested. Poor guy.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 07:05 PM | Link to this

Anybody been over to the AJC “opinion” blog? They throw out these pinko contrived subjects and then admonish you not to go over 300 words with your comment, threatening you with deletion if you do. They have whole entire days where zero comments were posted. I got drowsy just reading the first couple of lib questions and had to split.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 07:12 PM | Link to this

getalife: Here’s some pictures of George in public-

A Hundred Thousand Well Wishers

By getalife

November 30, 2005 07:14 PM | Link to this

Andy, if you look real hard at the black background, you can see a thousand whips. I think ml put that in there for you.

By getalife

November 30, 2005 07:18 PM | Link to this

Created: 30 January 2001 I bet he gets lonely. Poor guy.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 07:18 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I just went over there. You have to go 5 threads back to get any comments and that is 11/24 with 9 comments on the voter ID law.

We could get 9 voter ID comments over here in any given ten minute period.

But, by all means keep your post under 300 words. I guess “Republican” Bill could never post there.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 07:22 PM | Link to this

getalife,

A little more recent

By getalife

November 30, 2005 07:23 PM | Link to this

here is Bush in public in New Orleans

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 07:23 PM | Link to this

RW: You just know Cynthia Tucker is running that blog, the way she talks down to the participants.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 07:27 PM | Link to this

getalife:

4000 College Students Cheering For Bush?

By getalife

November 30, 2005 07:30 PM | Link to this

October 2002. Have ya’ll taken Bush’s loyalty quiz?

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 07:31 PM | Link to this

Andy,

There were participants?

By "Objective" Observer

November 30, 2005 07:36 PM | Link to this

I used to be conscientious but only objective from here on out. I came in late, but followed you on yesterday’s cartoon and sent my support. Talent abounds!!!

By Ralph Jones

November 30, 2005 07:37 PM | Link to this

This cartoon correctly shows the feelings of the mjority of the American People.

By The Vent

November 30, 2005 07:41 PM | Link to this

It looks as if Republicans are getting set to take over another branch of government — the federal prison system.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 07:41 PM | Link to this

I guess someone needs a refresher

By getalife

November 30, 2005 07:45 PM | Link to this

I see red people.

By buff

November 30, 2005 07:57 PM | Link to this

The poor Dems, switching positions on Iraq; they do not know what to do. They need a consistent “strategery”

What a party: their only way to win is by the USA failing in Iraq. Now Hillary is unsure, Kerry sounds like an idiot, did you hear him today? Prez Bush decided to stop being a punching bag and fight back. Joe Lieberman writes a courageous piece in the WSJ. The economy is growing, unemployment is very low, Christmas is coming and all they get is a lump of coal.

What can you say about a party that has a nut like Howard Dean as fearless leader? I think that fact alone pretty much sums up the makeup and character of the Democratic party

NARAL is after Alito, that ought to be entertaining to watch

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:03 PM | Link to this

Honorable Ambassador Joe Wilson spoke on life in general today-

He referred to the Iraqis as “a-ssholes,” and Saddam Hussein as a “madman.”

He also had harsh words for Novak, calling him an “a-sshole” and a “jerk.”

Coming Apart At The Seams

By Brett

November 30, 2005 08:05 PM | Link to this

Well now, the Clown Coward Bush speaks again! This time at the Naval Academy. Note that it has been well over a YEAR since this alcoholic goon has spoken anywhere but a military base, A VFW meeting, or other orchestrated location. Terrified to speak in a public setting for fear of questions. The most repulsive, embarrassing lifeform in history to ever squat in the Oval Office.

By buff

November 30, 2005 08:10 PM | Link to this

Actually, Brett, he has had some open press conferences. Why would he speak to a hostile audience?

Now, Hillary really knows how to control the media. Can you tell me when she has had an open press conference? I do not believe she had even one when running for the Senate, did she?

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:15 PM | Link to this

Ann Coulter! A Day Early

By getalife

November 30, 2005 08:16 PM | Link to this

I liked it when Cheney got heckled at his last speech. He flashed his evil smirk. I think he might have liked it or he was thinking about toturing the hecklers.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:21 PM | Link to this

Now that the only idea the democrats have had in the last 4 years of national security debate, “let’s run and hide,” has been soundly defeated, they have fallen back and have taken to sniping at the venue for Bush’s speeches. Such great leaders and such deep insightful thoughts. And they wonder why they can’t win at the ballot box.

By getalife

November 30, 2005 08:22 PM | Link to this

If Republicans were one-tenth as rough with the congressman who wants to withdraw troops in the middle of a war as they are on a congresswoman who calls it cowardly to withdraw troops in the middle of a war, we might have a functioning Republican Party. Ann Coulter needs some anger management or mads?

By getalife

November 30, 2005 08:23 PM | Link to this

mads=meds. Ruuussshhh.

By buff

November 30, 2005 08:25 PM | Link to this

A snippet from get’s link

What is this? Special Olympics for the Democrats? Can’t Republicans disagree with a Democrat who demands that the U.S. surrender in the middle of a war without erecting monuments to him first? What would happen if a Democrat were to propose restoring Saddam Hussein to power? Is that Medal of Freedom territory?

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:26 PM | Link to this

Man, I sure wish Drudge would take Hillary’s picture down. That woman gives me the da-mn creeps. I’ll bet Bill hasn’t slept in the same county as her in years.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:29 PM | Link to this

What Ann Coulter needs is our leaders to listen to her.

By getalife

November 30, 2005 08:32 PM | Link to this

I bet Bill slept with Ann.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:34 PM | Link to this

That depends what your definition of “slept” is.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 08:35 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Clinton with Ann

By getalife

November 30, 2005 08:38 PM | Link to this

Ann is a man?

By Duke

November 30, 2005 08:40 PM | Link to this

Right you are, Mr. Brett. This drunken Born Again Bigot is surely a piece of work. Used to be I couldn’t stand to even look at him - now I go outta my way just to study the stupidity and incredulity. It runs in the family. Suggest the Repub Nazis read some books. One of the first things I learned in flight school was the infamous “Ballad Of Bailout (And slaugher my crew) Bush.” At Chi Chi Jima. The formal complaints of his “fraternity boy behavior” by crew members of the USS Finback, etc. It’s all out there cause it’s all just…history and fact. Read it and weep.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:44 PM | Link to this

There is no such book, Duke, I looked it up. You sure you haven’t confused this with a pamplet you got at some pinko rally?

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 08:47 PM | Link to this

The moonbats must be really upset about today’s turn of events.

They seem especially testy. I know Andy wants everyone to be nice to them tonight, but it’s getting difficult.

By Brett

November 30, 2005 08:47 PM | Link to this

BUFF, you ignorant slut: Get your RW facts straight. In your culpable ignorance, you are again WRONG. Press conferences are not speeches. “Why…speak to a hostile audience??” ? You then are assuming that ANY & ALL audiences might/will be “hostile.” What does that say about your beloved little partner-in-crime??

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:50 PM | Link to this

Reprinted with permission-

It’s gotten awfully quite in here. You can almost feel the misery of these libs. Today they have suffered another devastating defeat at the hands of George W Bush, adding to the long list of many. He, again, allowed them to get their hopes up, had them wishing for another humiliating surrender for the United States, before he unmercifully slapped them down.

It was sad to watch the lib democrats in the Congress trying to bail from the withdrawal plan. They couldn’t wait to throw Murtha under the bus. Hillary took a page from her “husband’s� playbook, triangulating the issue, which means “fool the democrats.� John Kerry flip flopped like a fish and then offered 3 monotonous hours of nonsense, I mean, nuance. Again, I extend my appreciation to RW, who hung in there for the duration. I myself would have fallen into a fitful slumber after 30 seconds, tops.

So let’s be nice, well, try to be nice to the pinkos tonite. Let these putrid little pacifists crawl back under their rocks and lick their wounds in as much peace as you see fit to afford them.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 08:51 PM | Link to this

Brett,

I think we all know why you want the President to go wandering around in public.

Why don’t you just say it, tool?

By buff

November 30, 2005 08:52 PM | Link to this

Brett’s words from earlier.

Terrified to speak in a public setting for fear of questions.”

Speaking apearances generally do not have Q and A sessions “

By Duke

November 30, 2005 08:54 PM | Link to this

Andy, I lack the time for slime such as you. It’s not a “book,” idiot, it’s a song. Go to Pensacola NAS and “look it up.” Being a Texan, I was/am aware of more than 30 books re the Bush family - long before creeps like you ever heard the word. Shut up and crawl back under your safety-rock! O & O.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 08:58 PM | Link to this

Duke is Jeff, Talon News, see: O & O

Anyway, “Duke,” you expect us to know or want to know some goony pinko song? What kind of initiation did they put you through at the academy, Duke? Were you the only one singing?

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 09:00 PM | Link to this

This must be quite the impressive book if you have to go to the Pensacola NAS and ask for Bush bashing pamphlets.

Duke must be in the Richards family.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 09:12 PM | Link to this

Maybe this is the book

Is that it, Duke?

By getalife

November 30, 2005 09:13 PM | Link to this

what are those behind Cheney?

By Dusty

November 30, 2005 09:22 PM | Link to this

This cartoon should have been titled “The Withdrawal of Lucko’s Efforts as a Cartoonist”. As Buff’s art teacher friend said in so many words “No talent”. A cartoon ought to hit you in the face with ONE great idea. Lucko’s just fizzle. Flat!

That said, we have all the lovely patriotic words of Brett, Daniel and delightful Duke. Sorta reminiscent of those famous declarations of Jane Fonda in Viet Nam. They all have the same theme to them. The cut & run crowd. Or should I say “dissent”? OK. The cut and retreat crowd showing dissent.

By buff

November 30, 2005 09:27 PM | Link to this

Dusty, the lack of intellect by Lucko and the left on this blog is either amazing, sad, or both.

Their strategies 1. say “Bush lied” 2. say “Bush should be impeached” 3. say “Bush is dumb” 4. say “Cheney is evil” 5. and, the more you say it the more true it becomes

The think that hurling insults is debate. But, I guess when they have nothing to back up their claims, what can they do?

From a rational perspective “liberalism is mental disorder”

By "Objective" Observer

November 30, 2005 09:31 PM | Link to this

Give it up Dumbocrats, they’re bringing out the worst in you once again, but maybe the worst is all you have to offer. Table is set for “party of can’ts”. On the menu tonight, “democrat intelligence” “RARE”.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 09:34 PM | Link to this

For your late viewing “pleasure”.

By getalife

November 30, 2005 09:44 PM | Link to this

I think he may be drinking again. Watch it for 10 seconds and it changes

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 09:53 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I think your browser filters need adjusting.

By Dusty

November 30, 2005 10:00 PM | Link to this

RW, That is TOO much left wing for me to take. I like good company at late hours (when I can stay awake) but that list doesn’t cut it. Right now I am listening to Eric Clapton and he is so good. “Cream” is tearing up the TV. I don’t think I want to hear all those liberal “strategies” that Buff mentioned. Too much rotten repetition. So much for my open mind! (Do I get kicked off the Cabinet?)

By buff

November 30, 2005 10:05 PM | Link to this

Dusty, who was best: Clapton, or Stevie Ray Vaughn?

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 10:09 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You’re only in the cabinet if buff is President. With me you are VP and President of the Senate.

By finch

November 30, 2005 10:30 PM | Link to this

I’ll ask again. Why does the Mike cartoon poll show, on average, 75%-80% approval every day, while the comments here are predominately from people who think Bush is infallable and people who question him are all “pinkos”?

With surveys (even from “Fair and Balanced” Fox News) showing most Americans aren’t happy with President Bush, I find this interesting.

FWTW, I don’t think Bush is the worst President ever, but he sure isn’t the best. Not even close. And the Iraq war has been a disorganized, misguided tragedy. Flame away.

By buff

November 30, 2005 10:34 PM | Link to this

finch, I never vote in Lucko’s polls because they are a joke. You could have one person voting 100 times. Since it is unscientific it has no credibility

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 10:35 PM | Link to this

finch,

If you go here and read two posts you will see that we think highly of you and your curious reading of ml’s vote meter

By Dusty

November 30, 2005 10:39 PM | Link to this

Buff, Clapton is hard to beat. To be honest with you, I didn’t hear Stevie Ray very often. Somehow I missed him. What were his best years?

RW, I am giving a sigh of relief. My job, whatever it is, sounds secure. I have already given this great thought. Let’s paint the White House…RED,WHITE & BLUE!

By buff

November 30, 2005 10:40 PM | Link to this

RW, you owe me a dry cleaning tab. When I clicked as you directed finch I laughed so hard I squirted red wine out of my nose

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 10:41 PM | Link to this

buff,

I happened to refresh once and there was no new cartoon, I meant to change windows but didn’t and hit refresh again in the same window. A new cartoon popped up, so I voted no. The total came up 12 yes and 1 no.

and they complain about Diebold!

By buff

November 30, 2005 10:45 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I never really got into Vaughn until the early ’90s, which was after his death. I guess he was hottest in early and mid ’80s. He and Clapton were doing a big outdoor concert together somewhere in the upper Midwest and after it was over they got into separate helicopters and Vaughn’s crashed

But, I really like Clapton, b.B. King too

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 10:47 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You can decorate Number One Observatory Circle any way you want. The White House should probably stay the white house.

Moonbat alert: That only applies to the outside paint job.

By buff

November 30, 2005 10:48 PM | Link to this

RW, I would surmise that because the leftists lose at honest debate they spend their time voting every few seconds

Wait until I post the Christmas song I am writing

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 10:52 PM | Link to this

buff,

The total I saw that time didn’t change very quickly after the cartoon came up. I think ml preloads some votes. How sad is that?

For what it’s worth, no telling how Clapton’s career might have changed without this guy

By finch

November 30, 2005 10:57 PM | Link to this

Ask a question hre, try to be nice, and the next thing I know I’m Minister of Propaganda. Oh well.

buff, I saw where lucko’s votemeter sez only one vote an hour. That’s easy enough to set up. So why not vote? And do you really think that Mike fans spend all night on a keyboard voting for him? I doubt it.

At least you “conservatives” aren’t rigid, dogmatic and contemptuous of folks who might not agree with you. (/sarcasm)

By buff

November 30, 2005 10:57 PM | Link to this

RW, you must be right Lameovich is loading votes, and yes, that is sad

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 11:01 PM | Link to this

finch,

To be fair I gave you a better job. It just wasn’t cabinet level.

Although I may have to rethink that if you don’t know anything about erasing cookies.

BTW, we’re trying to be nice to you. See ^ ^ Duke or Brett ^ ^.

By buff

November 30, 2005 11:04 PM | Link to this

finch, it was a joke. Me, RW, and Dusty have fun on here. You have never been nasty with me and I have no intent of being nasty with you.

And, RW is right about how Lameovich could rig the site

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 11:09 PM | Link to this

buff,

I missed your 10:40PM post. If you’re wearing clothes that need dry cleaning at 10:40PM, while blogging, you can pay that bill yourself.

By buff

November 30, 2005 11:10 PM | Link to this

RW, OK, I will ‘fess up, it was a ratty LSU sweatshirt that was already heavily stained

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 11:13 PM | Link to this

buff,

Then you owe me for the improvement.

By finch

November 30, 2005 11:17 PM | Link to this

Well, I do not want to be accused of lacking a sense of humor, so whattheheck.

But seriously, accusing ml fans of spending valuable time erasing cookies just to game a stupid cartoon vote is even sillier than Dem charges of Florida or Ohio voting shenannigans. It aint credible. Saying you don’t vote ‘cause it’s fixed is a loser excuse. “Those grapes are sour anyway”.

On the other hand if you folks want to have fun praising the Prez, nothing wrong with that. I’m disappointed in Mr. Bush, but I sure don’t hate the guy. I might even put my 2 cents worth in on a regular basis. Share the joy and all that!

By buff

November 30, 2005 11:17 PM | Link to this

Well, shucks, I guess the leftists are all planning the big revolt and gone for the night. I guess I will snooze for a few hours

By Dusty

November 30, 2005 11:17 PM | Link to this

Aw, RW, please reconsider the paint job. The Observatory Circle house can be painted only when Haley’s comet comes around. That might be inconvenient.

Buff, anxiously awaiting your Christmas song. Will it be like the Alleluia Chorus or the Chipmunk Song?

By buff

November 30, 2005 11:20 PM | Link to this

Dusty, it is pretty good and inflamatory, and much closer to the the Chipmunks. I have a draft and will try to get it out tomorrow

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 11:24 PM | Link to this

finch,

Most of us couldn’t care less what the vote up their says, but you might be surprised how obsessed some really moonbat liberals are with those things.

I don’t know if you frequent places like dailykos or democraticunderground, but they post threads all the time with instructions to slam some seemingly meaningless internet vote like this.

Keep putting in your $.02. We don’t want a one way discussion here.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 11:30 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I sat through the Kerry speech today (and even jabbed myself with a toothpick every thirty seconds to stay awake), I just watched San Fran Nan on Comedy Central, and I’m getting ready to watch Gov. Crazy Howie M.D.

I think you can wait for one stupid comet.

By Simon (called Peter)

November 30, 2005 11:35 PM | Link to this

Let us pray. “Dear Gesussa, help me to be miserable, a failure, and full of hate and self-hate like my friends RW, BUFF, ANDY, DUSTY, and all the other Repub runts who infect this site. And pleeze…

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 11:40 PM | Link to this

buff,

You start talking about the Chipmunks and Simon shows up

Theodore, Alvin…ALVIN!!!

By finch

November 30, 2005 11:44 PM | Link to this

Hi RW -(The Original) - I look at DU (not a member) and have seen the “poll this” junk. Never saw it for AJC, but maybe I missed it.

You’re right about the Kerry speech (speech?). Jon Stewart was nice enough to disassemble it (yawn). Truly as exciting as watching paint dry. The speech, I mean. No, that’s being mean to paint.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 11:51 PM | Link to this

finch,

Jon Stewart makes no bones about about being a left wing Democrat, but he does a great a job of fairly picking on everybody.

The other night he showed President Bush quoting Kerry and said, “my God this guy’s even boring when he’s quoted.”

A lot of celebs could learn from him.

By Dusty

November 30, 2005 11:53 PM | Link to this

RW, you are a person of might and marvel. Anybody who can sit through all THAT is made of iron. But cheer up! Buff may have his Christmas song ready tomorrow. I am sure that will make us all sing and dance. (I get the feeling you don’t like my paint suggestion. How about purple?)

Welcome, finch. Enjoy! Only the strong survive here. But I falter. G’nite all..

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 11:55 PM | Link to this

Purple finch? what a set up.

Dusty, finch I’m impressed.

By finch

December 1, 2005 12:06 AM | Link to this

Dusty threw you a gopher ball and you went for the fences. Cheap shot, RW!

Good night, and have a pleasant tomottow.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:09 AM | Link to this

finch,

You say tomottow I say tomorrow, that makes the world go round!

Good night.

By Dusty

December 1, 2005 12:17 AM | Link to this

RW, if that is a purple finch then I am a chartreuse canary. That’s what I call red, RW. Oh, well, we are all night owls.

Don’t blame him, finch, It’s the night air and those SPEECHES!

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:19 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Do you doubt the url? It says purple finch, and Gov. Crazy Howie M.D, hasn’t come on yet.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:21 AM | Link to this

OK, I guess it actually says finch/pruple.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:24 AM | Link to this

I tried to change pruple to purple and look what ml’s computer said:

Ooops… Your comment submission failed for the following reasons: In an effort to curb malicious comment posting by abusive users, I’ve enabled a feature that requires a weblog commenter to wait a short amount of time before being able to post again. Please try to post your comment again in a short while. Thanks for your patience.

Andy, is that the pinko computer problem you have been seeing.

By Dusty

December 1, 2005 12:32 AM | Link to this

The url is color blind. Have fun with Gov. Howie and give us a full report tomorrow. I think I am turning purple so I’m really gone this time. Bon nuit!

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:40 AM | Link to this

Notes to blog:

Gov. Crazy Howie M.D. says Lincoln would be a Democrat today. (I wonder what he thinks about JFK and MLK, they sounded a lot more like today’s Republicans)

He thinks we should make it easier to sue for political comments, ala Great Briton.(Just what this country needs, more litigation)

He won’t run for President next year, but would make changes at the White House. ( Do you think he knows there is no Presidential election next year? Or that he had the chance to make a change last year?)

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:46 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Bon nuit? Maybe you can figure out what I posted here

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:53 AM | Link to this

Purple finch?

purple finch?

or

purple finch?

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 04:45 AM | Link to this

I feel sorry for the little girl in the cartoon. Her parents are obviously failures from the Vietnam era; all they want to do is to relive their “glory� days. They want no part of the eventual American victory, they don’t want to hear of freedom for the good people of Iraq. And the poor little girl will never experience pride in her great country; never feel the satisfaction of being Freedom’s Light to the World.

Nope, all she’ll ever know how to do is whine about how bad things are, constantly complain about her government and all the other pitiful doings of the pinko. What a sad life she has in store for her.

By Kevin

December 1, 2005 06:26 AM | Link to this

Well here go I…lets see if kerry had done same as Bush did in Iraq u all n the country is spendin gas price’s drop n stuff…U all be kissin kerry sayin what a great job he has done so forth….n if u bring up bush servin again…clinton never served why was that okay for Him….Please we must stay till we sure they can do it…if we were to go n run what would happen…and then kerry with botox would cry n dean would scream he did not stay n do his job….so think some folks!

By candide

December 1, 2005 06:27 AM | Link to this

Bush is insisting that he has always been right about Iraq. His handlers are desperately trying to get him onto a more desirable path. The result is total schizophrenia.

Perhaps the experience with this administration — a president without any brains or vision, a vice-president from hell, and a GOP which is in the pocket of redneck evangelicals — will cause the electorate next time to insist that the presidential candidates actually have some gray matter between their protruding ears.

By Bill

December 1, 2005 06:33 AM | Link to this

I guess Andy can ony feel pride in his country when his country is winning and on top. Looks like anyone from the Vietnam era is a loser (even those brave boys on the wall at the mall it seems-losers right Andy?). Yesterday, when I suggested that Iraq is unwinnable because we would have to kill half the Middle East and Indonesia in order to make a dent in resistance numbers or base of recruitment, Andy said we shouldn’t kill half. We should kill them all. Sounds like a spokesman for Al Queida to me. In case no one noticed, these professed conservatives are nothing of the kind. This is radicalism, pure and simple. This sort of mental diarrhea destroys the credibility of the Republican party. If swing voters like myself haven’t been thoroughly disenfranchised by the President’s job performance; his equally hot-headed followers have certainly finished the job.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 06:49 AM | Link to this

Money quote, Washington Times Editorial, 12/1/05-

It’s naive to think that the president’s speech finally shut the door on the Democrats’ autumn of insincerity. But it did signal to Americans and Iraqis that the commander in chief has no intention of listening to what Mr. Reid and his colleagues say anymore.

How do you like them apples, pinkos?

By Bill

December 1, 2005 07:07 AM | Link to this

Let’s see. “No intention of listening”. That certainly sounds like an open-minded, party-bridging, and intelligent attitude for the Commander-in-Chief to have. I’m so very proud of him for his vows of inclusiveness while campaigning. I can now see the “truth” of his words and character.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 07:09 AM | Link to this

Speaking of no intention of listening, here’s what the pinkos “walked out” on yesterday-

The president quoted a Marine corporal, Jeff Starr, who was killed fighting terrorists in Iraq and left a letter behind: “[I]f you’re reading this, then I’ve died in Iraq. I don’t regret going. Everybody dies, but few get to do it for something as important as freedom. It may seem confusing why we are in Iraq, it’s not to me. I’m here helping these people, so they can live the way we live. Not [to] have to worry about tyrants or vicious dictators. Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark.”

By Bill

December 1, 2005 07:31 AM | Link to this

Finally; Andy has posted something of value. Many of our fighting men are, also, speaking out against the war effort in Iraq. I would imagine that among the 2,000+ American casualities there are a few who didn’t agree with the way we went about going to war. Jeff Starr’s opinion and sacrifice has its’ counterpoint among those opposed to the war. While this is emotionally engaging, it is not an argument one way or the other. Our fighting men absolutely should support the President, their Commander; regardless of whether he is right or wrong. It is up to us lowly citizens to keep a steady hand on the wheel.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 07:48 AM | Link to this

It is starting to get obvious that yesterday was a major defeat for the pinkos and their war losing strategy. This would also make it an awesome victory for the United States of America.

It is better that the pinkos would get up and walk out on their country. Let them go sit in their little rooms and pout. With them out of the way, now we can focus on ridding the world of this manifestation of evil, this savage menace. There is nothing to these punks, their “strength” is phony, they have to blow up bombs and kill non combatants to wage their cowardly “insurgency.” They cannot stand on the field of battle for they will be slaughtered if they do. There will be no surrendering to these criminals. We must find them and kill them; and let’s hurry before the pinkos come back into the room.

By Bill

December 1, 2005 08:17 AM | Link to this

Andy: the Minutemen (American militia during the war of independence) did not fight a “fair” war by the standards of the British aggressors that they were fighting. The British marched down the roads in rank and file. This allowed the Minutemen to hide behind trees and rock outcroppings in order to gain the tactical advantage over an enemy that had superior numbers and weaponry. Similarly, the insurgents in the Iraqi conflict cannot possibly win a stand-up fight so they’re not going to fight us that way. They’re going to hide behind trees, rock outcroppings, jet airliners, sleeper cells, etc. Let’s not surrender to these guys but let’s, also, not be suckered into legitimizing their radical beliefs to their radical followers. Let’s not load their guns for them. Osama Bin Laden must be smiling every time he sees the freedoms that he has taken away from Americans with his “Patriot Act”. I, for one, believe that fear, the loss of American freedoms, security disruptions and negative world publicity were the true objectives of 9/11. From that viewpoint; Osama has already won and we walked right into the trap with flags waving.

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 08:20 AM | Link to this

Unlike the “heroic” bombing of Nagasaki… where all the citizens were active participants of the “evil” of being Japanese.

Your position may be correct…but your rhetoric helps perpetuate the problem and negative perception of Americans.

By Joe

December 1, 2005 08:21 AM | Link to this

I have a couple of questions that I was hoping someone in here could answer, but reading a lot of the posts, I’m sure I’ll just be called names instead but I’ll give a go.

Can any of the war supporters explain just how long they think we should stay in Iraq? Is there a point when it will just not be worth destroying our whole way life? If we stay the ten years at 60 billion a year that the administration feels it will take to defeat the insurgency and the insurgency is still strong, is that not long enough? Are y’all really willing to go another five or ten years after that and what if that does not work?

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 08:27 AM | Link to this

How old are the students at this college????

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 08:29 AM | Link to this

They look pretty d@mn old to me

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 08:32 AM | Link to this

If you read the ‘Victory Plan’ you will see that it is yet another redefinition of the “public” justification for the war and an explanation to Iraq (and the insurgency) on what they need to do in order for us to be able to save face and exit gracefully.

It’s not a “plan”…it’s a roadmap for PR.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 08:37 AM | Link to this

I keep forgetting the sorry condition of our public school system. It is easy for me to overlook; I find all kinds of different sources to “educate” myself, in other words I don’t just rely on the AJC to keep me informed. With that thought and Bill’s comments in mind, allow me to share some facts that you may not know-

The Battle Of Bunker Hill: A group of 1000 American Patriots took fortified positions on top of Bunker and Breed hills and withstood the onslaught of over 5000 British troops. The battle is famous for the saying “don’t fire till you see the whites of their eyes.”

The Battle of Yorktown: The final decisive battle of the War of Independence, over 17,000 of General George Washington’s troops marched on British General Cornwallis’s army. In surprise maneuver, Washington flanked the British Army forcing Cornwallis to begin the surrender of his forces.

These are just a few of the battles that were fought by our forefathers, Patriots who fought and died so that Bill could someday call them cowards. There are many more instances of their bravery available, all you have to do is look.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 08:43 AM | Link to this

Joe: Maybe if you stopped encouraging our enemies with your spinelessness, they would lay down their suicide vests and give up the fight. If not, we’ll just keep killing them until they are all gone. If you hadn’t left the room like the pinkos in the cartoon you wouldn’t have to ask so many stupid questions.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 08:48 AM | Link to this

GLW in ATL: I wish I knew what you were hinting at, you are not making much sense. That bombing of Nagasaki saved American and Japanese lives and ushered in a 60 year era of peace and cooperation between our two great countries. Japan is a strong and valuable ally now because of a war that was fought the right way then: All out.

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 08:49 AM | Link to this

Of course the battle of Breeds and Bunker Hill ended in defeat for the patriots (one of those moral victories in that the British sustained great losses in achieving the victory).

But we can take pride in Washington crossing the Potomic for a ‘sneak attack’ against the German mercenaries…since they had no business being there fighting someone elses battle for them…

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 08:50 AM | Link to this

I would say the biggest difference with the Revolutionary War comparison is that A) it was on American soil, B) it was on American soil, and C) it was on American soil. I think that sums it up nicely.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 08:53 AM | Link to this

Geezus: Thanks for validating my comment on our public school system. I was not comparing the Revolutionary War to Iraq, I was defending the Patriots who fought in it from Bill who called them cowards.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 08:58 AM | Link to this

GLW in ATL: I’m sorry to hear that your side lost the American War Of Independence. With luck, maybe the Iraqi “insurgents” can right that wrong…

(This dude is sick in the da-mn head!)

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 08:59 AM | Link to this

???? Did you read Bill’s post? There is clearly a comparison between the two. You responded to that post i.e. a comparison between the two.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 09:02 AM | Link to this

Also, you know nothing of me or my educational background yet you make assumptions and purport those to be facts…ridiculous. You probably also think that I’m a Republicrat too.

By candide

December 1, 2005 09:06 AM | Link to this

Those of you quoting the Washington Times may not know that newspaper is run by the Moonies.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:07 AM | Link to this

Geezus: The only reason I even acknowledged “Republican” Bill is because he called the Revolutionary War Patriots cowards. If you read my posts thoroughly and make an attempt to understand them, you would have known that I already made it clear where I stand on your p-ussy pinko strategy of quiting Iraq like a bunch of sissies.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 09:08 AM | Link to this

hee hee hee … he said moonies

By Joe

December 1, 2005 09:09 AM | Link to this

Obsessed with , I listened to the speech, did you? I could tell you had no no idea of what was going on in Iraq by reading your posts but, I hoped I was wrong. Of course instead of trying to have a dialog you just attack because you can not discuss, There is not a single post by you that discusses anything.They are all about your hatred, you hate women, blacks, jews, catholics, and anyone else who shows you up for the candy pants that you are. I just tried to have a discussion but you are only consumed with hate. You pathetic cowardly weakling of a worm.

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 09:10 AM | Link to this

My point is… if we want to point out the plank in our neighbor’s eye… then we have to first admit to our own faults (to ourselves and to them). We can choose to only point out how heroic our actions are, but we are ignoring the ‘evil’ and ‘monstrous’ motivations and consequences that also exist within our society.

We aren’t better than them… we disagree with them. The question is, is death the only solution? The ‘Victory Plan’ states that for insurgents “political participation” is the solution … but for the Islamic Terrorists/Revolutionaries “will have to be captured or killed”… because they cannot be convinced to change their minds.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:11 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Candide, voice of the enemy: Rough day yesterday, wasn’t it? Buck up, judging from the vicious of the pinkos this morning, the fight has not been surrendered yet. They only want America to give it up.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 09:15 AM | Link to this

Comprehension apparently is not your strongest area. Bill did not say that the American Revolutionary War heroes were cowards. He illustrated, quite well, how a totally different war strategy can allow you to defeat the opposition. We as Americans should know because we did this to the British. We should not let this happen to us in Iraq.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:16 AM | Link to this

GLW in ATL: Dude, you got some major league issues that run much deeper than anything America is doing in the Middle East. If the terrorists had ushered everybody out of the World Trade Center before they flew the planes into it, I could begin to see where you are coming from. This isn’t some nuanced pinko “disagreement” that we are in. This is a war for our survival. And you libs are making it clear which side you are on.

By Erik

December 1, 2005 09:16 AM | Link to this

The fretting and arm waving of the neo-commies above reminds me a a small child who doesn’t like what is being served up before him despite the fact that wiser people know it’s good for him/her in the long run. They wack their spoons of rhetoric and overturn the bowl of facts laid before them. Better a chocolate covered tootsie roll of false patriotism filled with repeated lies and falsehoods that never turn into truth. The crap in your diapers is not red,white, and blue. God you guys make me tired.

By AnnOrexic Coulter

December 1, 2005 09:17 AM | Link to this

Would someone just give Bush a b-l-o-w j-o-b so we can impeach him?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 09:17 AM | Link to this

Joe,

I was just reading your earlier post. It was interesting how you seemed to think all anyone here would do is call names. I was going to answer your questions, as I thought they might have been at least a little bit serious.

Then I read your latest post.

By Smug Canadian

December 1, 2005 09:17 AM | Link to this

I’ve heard people talk about impeachment. That’s just silly. In the US, you need to get some skull form a chubby intern, that’s impeachable. As for Cleatus…I’m sorry, Dubya, want to win people to your side? How about communicating that you have a clue what the hell you are doing? Spin can only take you so far, guy. Competence goes a loooong way to diminish criticism. Try it.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 09:23 AM | Link to this

Andy,

It looks like “Republican” Bill is almost ready for the Cynthia Tucker opinion blog.

Every post today is under 300 words. Of course, they do have a John Kerry like quality to them so they seem like “B” novels.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:27 AM | Link to this

Erik: Do you spend a lot of time looking at your “crap?” I know you don’t mind sharing it with us. This sounds like something that a pinko would do. Try to read something into it that isn’t there. All the while, your fellow Americans continue to die because of your spineless refusal to do whatever it takes win this “war.”

This war is Jimmy Carter’s legacy and any American that has died by the hand of a Muslim terrorists rests firmly on his soul. If he would have slaughtered the Iranians in 1979 and sent a message to all of the other looneys that America was not to be messed with, we wouldn’t be in this war now, nor would 3000 office workers have been killed in 2001.

And here we have Erik, perpetuating the cowardice, keeping Jimmy’s legacy alive.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:31 AM | Link to this

Smug: I heard the Canadians wised up and kicked their liberal government to the curb. Why haven’t they got you yet?

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this

Andy - Are you saying you, as the glorious citizen that you are, are willing to do whatever it takes to win the war?

If you are, I have a couple of friends that are still over there waiting for their rotation to end. Nothing would help speed that up better than a boost in the recruiting effort.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 09:36 AM | Link to this

Attention moonbats:

Governor Crazy Howie M.D. is desperately in need of funds to put up a billboard.

http://www.democrats.org/billboard

or email him @ chairman@democrats.org.

Are things really that bad that the libs can’t afford a billboard?

By Bill

December 1, 2005 09:36 AM | Link to this

Andy: You are truely certifiable. I did not call the Minutemen cowards. I believe I called them patriots. They fought for what they believed to be a just cause in the only strategic manner available to them; the analogy to Iraqi insurrgents is obvious. You must see through your enemies eyes in order to defeat him. The misguided Islamic radicals believe themselves to be their equivalent of our minutmen. Probably more so as they believe that they are fighting for “God” as well as country and have a unified cultural identify regarding religion that America, through its’ diverseness, does not. Name-calling and braggardism is not working for you any better than it is for the President, anymore. You must both step in to the arena of ideas as the public will no longer be dupped by rhetoric with no substance in logical thought process.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason: Didn’t you hear George Bush yesterday? He said we are not going to listen to tired pinko rhetoric, such as your last post, anymore. You shouldn’t have left the room, it was pretty good.

By Erik

December 1, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this

Whatever to win this war………? Even that is no being done. Not enough troops, not enough logistics, not enough translators, not enough knowledge of really who your enemies are and how they work and what their motivation is. No plan ( oh yes “recently declssified”…please), no discussion, no willingness to admit we chose the wrong fight, we’re fighting in the wrong way. This is NOT a battle of armies. This is a battle of impressions and peoples minds. Waking up people middle of the night to look for supposed insurgents ain’t going to do it, not having basic daily needs filled ain’t going to do it, not admitting that the “trained troops” you will turn things over to are just local militias in differnt clothes, white phosphorus ain’t going to do it, calling well intentioned people with different ideas that may well save more lives from being wasted, (yes, I said wasted), pinkos ain’t going to do it, calling for a reappraisal of what we are doing and really accomplishing is not cowardice but intelligence. Something sorely missing in government and many who regurgitate the same old tired propaganda facts and call people anything besides Dear Sir or Madam. Pinkos ? I don’t hear anybody calling McCarthy a hero.

By Pinko Liberal

December 1, 2005 09:40 AM | Link to this

Right on the money Mike. Bush is slowly alienating the whole country with his failed policies and fractured approach to this war.

It isn’t likely that the diehards will ever admit that they were wrong (Andy, RW, etc.). They’ll just try and hang on while the country crumbles.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 09:46 AM | Link to this

Pinko Liberal,

DO you realize that your nic is redundant?

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:46 AM | Link to this

Erik: You are absolutely right. I too think we should invade Syria and Iran first thing tomorrow morning. But many other pinkos would throw themselves out of the windows of tall buildings if we did that. Let’s just focus on the task at hand; train the Iraqi’s to defend themselves, give covert support to the freedom movements in Iran and Syria, build this fledgling democracy into a strong nation state. Are you with us, boy?

By Jesus

December 1, 2005 09:47 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 09:48 AM | Link to this

Hell, let’s invade Canada and Mexico too.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 09:48 AM | Link to this

Erik,

Maybe you just ran out of steam, but you forgot to say “neocon” or “culture of corruption”.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 09:49 AM | Link to this

For the Comprehension impaired, that was sarcasm.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 09:51 AM | Link to this

No Andy I didn’t listen to him yesterday. I started reading the speech but was overwhelmed by deja vu. So it’s really funny that you throw rhetoric out there. But since YOU listened, maybe you can help me. I was wondering what the PLAN was. Maybe it was in there, but they put it in idiot code. Also, I find it funny that he finally has a PLAN for victory, when he said a while back, “Mission Accomplished.”

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:51 AM | Link to this

Bill, I can’t believe I’m going to egg him on: I am looking through the eyes of our enemies. They can only strap on suicide belts or large flying objects and kill innocent civilians with them. Why? Because they are cowardly weenies. This could be the real issue; that you pinkos really like your weenies, both figuratively and literally.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 09:51 AM | Link to this

I’m all for invading Alabama….who’s with me??? … idiots

By sickoftheneocons

December 1, 2005 09:53 AM | Link to this

You know, I’m not a Republican and I don’t often agree with some conservatives on this blog, but I am beginning to see why they are SO TIRED of the constant gloom and doom being expressed by the libs on this blog. For goodness sake, our nation is not crumbling down about our ears. Unemployment is down, consumer confidence is increasing, the DOW continues to inch towards 11,000. From an economic standpoint, our country is in better shape than it has been in 5 years. Buck up libs, their is a ray of sunshine at the end of the dark tunnel. Needless to say, the continued expense of ths war and the out-of-control spending of this administration MAY bode ill for the future, lets see what happends in the next three years.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:56 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason: Anything else I can help you with?

The Plan, Same One We Had In 2003

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:59 AM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: Man, you don’t know how nice it is too hear a real voice of reason. We have our problems, no doubt, but they are not going to be solved by obstruction. Which is all that one of us has brought to the table.

By Erik

December 1, 2005 10:01 AM | Link to this

Sickoftheneocons..be careful. Things are improving in those ways but on the dollars borrowed from China and Japan. When the bill come due, we ain’t gonna be able to pay. The workers for GM would likely disagree with you. Ethan Allen furniture has always proudly been stamped “Made in America”. I like that. No more. Now made overseas. The ray of sunshine may well be the train coming to run you over as you try to start your car Made in China, stuck on the tracks. Japanese cars are pretty good.

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 10:01 AM | Link to this

No person, and no nation is perfect and always right. The American ‘experiment’ is based on a belief that a representative government, operating within the constraints of the Constitution and the ‘checks and balances’ of three governmental branches, can best manage the disparate desires and weaknesses of ‘the people’.

Our whole system is based on recognizing and making best advantage of our weaknesses. We don’t trust each other… so we support democracy as a means of diluting the power of the individual (or giving power to the individual if you had none before). We don’t trust our corporate ‘goodness’ so we protect the minority through the Bill of Rights. We are greedy… so we support capitalism, competition and self enterprise… our greed drives our economy and benefits everyone who participates.

What we are struggling with as a society is how to handle the weak, lazy and ill (physically and mentally). We can’t find a way to take advantage of these weaknesses.

Personally I believe we have been pretty successful in showing this to be the best ‘man made’ system… and I personally don’t have sufficient faith to believe a ‘God run’ system will ever work in this ‘fallen’ world.

This is where we disagree with the Islamic Terrorists/Revolutionaries. They believe strongly enough to sacrific their lives, and others with them, because in the end they believe that it’s God’s will that must be served… not ours.

So back to why the rhetoric is ‘bad’. If we explain our position and admit our weaknesses, then we are explaining our strength. Separation of church and state allows us to operate on both levels. On a state level we can take advantage of our weaknesses (for the good of our society)… and within our churches we can fight for faith in God and our perfection and justification through His grace and goodness.

So instead of this discussion… the Bush ‘Victory Plan’ calls for their extermination or jailing… because they won’t change their minds.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 10:02 AM | Link to this

[This is what the President did not tell the American people, but I may have posted something about the payback from the Shiites])http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051201/ts_usatoday/optimismandotherassessmentsatodds)

By getalife

December 1, 2005 10:04 AM | Link to this

oops, let me try again

By sickoftheneocons

December 1, 2005 10:04 AM | Link to this

Erik, I agree with that assessment, which is why I included the last sentence in my previous post, we MUST get our spending under control. Tax cuts are a great way to boost our economy but they don’t do squat when spending is the way it is.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

and here’s a poll for you

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

Erik: I heard those same comments about the economy when Reagan was President and the Dow was at 300 points. Don’t you people ever get tired?

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 10:09 AM | Link to this

GLW in ATL: I agree that we should take better care of the weak; let’s outlaw abortion. Did you have anything else?

By Erik

December 1, 2005 10:09 AM | Link to this

GLW in ATL, great note. I would only add that many Islamics don’t agree with the terrorists. Much in the way many Irish disagreed with the IRA. The violence was not stopped by the British but when the average person on the street saw that the approach taken by the IRA did not work and was counterproductive. They became the bad guys as it were. This has to happen in Iraq. The end of terrorism in Ireland was put to permanent rest with the growth of an amazing economy there, not troops.

By Erik

December 1, 2005 10:14 AM | Link to this

Re: Ronald Ray-Gun, the borrowing that we are now engaged in makes the situation there look like nothing. What is going on now in NO way even approximates the amount of tenuous economic propping up going on then. Even with inflation adjusted our debt now is in Trillions not Billions. Nobody’s got a wallet that big.

By gadem

December 1, 2005 10:17 AM | Link to this

Regarding Bush’s “speaking” engagements, it is known that his audiences are hand picked supporters of the local republican party. This can not be disputed, this is fact. So I don’t doubt that every soul in the room is cheering every mis-pronounced word that comes out of his mouth.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 10:20 AM | Link to this

US national debt when Mr. Reagan took office: $930,210,000,000.00

US national debt when Mr. Reagan left office: $2,857,430,960,187.32

The greatest increase in the national debt ever incurred happened during this span.

By getalife-Sec. of Labor

December 1, 2005 10:21 AM | Link to this

For all GM employees, there are hiring 2000 workers in San Antonio, Texas for Toyota Tundras. Sorry you have to move to Texas.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 10:22 AM | Link to this

gadem,

The U.S. Naval Academy students are just a bunch of hand picked Republican hacks?

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 10:23 AM | Link to this

….and work for Toyota…..

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

Erik: The Dow was 800 then it is 10,800 now. Can you handle the math from here, comparing it to the deficit and the GDP?

By getalife-Sec. of Labor

December 1, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

He did speak live today for Aids Day. There were about 20 people and no hecklers.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 10:25 AM | Link to this

Andy - blah blah blah. That’s the problem I had with the plan. It’s the same garbage he said back in 2003 - and that plan is obviously NOT working. The only sign of progess is Saddam being removed. But after that nothing. I’m sure you’ll mention the elections, but the government they have is not exactly one to be proud of. And we won’t even start with their military.

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 10:27 AM | Link to this

Andy: Where did I say we should take better care of the weak? I said we haven’t found a way to make their weakness an advantage.

If I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you put actual thought into your statement… then I might suppose you are saying that the politicizing of abortion (the weak … unborn child, irresponsible sperm and womb donor) is a way of creating a stength for the republican party… since it creates an issue that allows for such otherwise idealogically incongruent bedfellows as evangelical Christians and BP Oil executives to coexist.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 10:28 AM | Link to this

Andy,

You’ve got to love folks like “VOice of Reason”.

Without listing the progress in Iraq tell me what progress there is in Iraq.

By getalife-Sec. of Labor

December 1, 2005 10:30 AM | Link to this

Also, all the numbers posted on the economy were written by the same people posting the amount of trained Iraq soldiers. There will be corrections. Sorry.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 10:31 AM | Link to this

You realize that we incurred over $83 BILLION in national debt in the month of November???? Current Month

11/28/2005 $8,098,860,986,660.42 11/25/2005 $8,095,944,892,371.48 11/23/2005 $8,084,915,833,350.71 11/22/2005 $8,089,004,553,905.72 11/21/2005 $8,084,858,891,735.31 11/18/2005 $8,082,848,241,050.02 11/17/2005 $8,083,374,482,184.25 11/16/2005 $8,063,591,365,642.68 11/15/2005 $8,066,143,318,410.41 11/14/2005 $8,052,330,154,252.81 11/10/2005 $8,050,739,770,455.58 11/09/2005 $8,034,610,660,541.64 11/08/2005 $8,036,664,225,238.54 11/07/2005 $8,031,589,402,361.42 11/04/2005 $8,028,449,101,487.38 11/03/2005 $8,028,204,675,510.52 11/02/2005 $8,021,480,952,298.81 11/01/2005 $8,015,272,000,177.94

source

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 10:33 AM | Link to this

No RW, what deserves love are people like you and Andy who sit here and talk as if you know what is going on. You sit here and recite the retarded babble you here from the president and his cabinet of fools like a bunch of sheep. Truth is, you have never been to Iraq, never served in a war and most definitely have no clue as to what is REALLY going on over there. The progress listed in G-Dub’s plan is not really progress, as matter of fact, Iraq is almost as bad off as it was when we started. Chances are, it’s going to get worse.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 10:35 AM | Link to this

Wow, $83 billion in one month…I bet that could have put a dent in the crumbling educational system that “Obsessed with Andy” is so “Obsessed” with.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 10:36 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason: When Bush and Cheney said it was going to be a long hard slog, what did you think they were talking about? You people really shouldn’t leave the room when he is speaking, you would be so much more attuned to our progress in Iraq.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 10:37 AM | Link to this

VOR,

I just listened to two Naval Officers being interviewed. They strongly disagree with you.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 10:38 AM | Link to this

Our crazy Aunt comes down from the attic

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 10:40 AM | Link to this

By the way Andy “The Plan, the same we had in 2003!” is almost laughable. The plan was to find WMD, oh wait, end the imminent threat of terror, oh yeah.. Instill democracy on Iraq without their request. Now I’m catching up. Thanks for the help.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 10:43 AM | Link to this

Arguing about the national debt when you are a pinko is really not the smartest thing to do. Do you want us to close the department of Education and save, what, 180 billion a year? It can be done, the real money for education comes from property taxes. The DoE is a redundant bureaucracy. How about 80 billion a year for the EPA? Wanna keep going?

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 10:48 AM | Link to this

Voice Of Reason: What don’t you understand?

“The United States has no intention of determining the precise form of Iraq’s new government. That choice belongs to the Iraqi people. Yet, we will ensure that one brutal dictator is not replaced by another. All Iraqis must have a voice in the new government, and all citizens must have their rights protected.

President George W. Bush February 26, 2003

Rebuilding Iraq will require a sustained commitment from many nations, including our own: we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more.”

By Eric

December 1, 2005 10:48 AM | Link to this

Dubya is obviously a moron. That’s why I’ve never supported his administration. I can tolerate a lot of stuff, but stupidity is not on the list. Those of you who support him must do so out of sheer ignorance. If you really put some thought into what he says and does, you’d understand why his approval rating is at 36 percent. Personally, I wonder why it’s so high.

By sickoftheneocons

December 1, 2005 10:49 AM | Link to this

I disagree with you on that one Andy, I think the EPA is a much more useful bureaucracy than the DOE, I mean Teachers Union. I do think the EPA addresses a real need in our country. Your right though, we could do without the DOE.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 10:50 AM | Link to this

Andy - It didn’t have to be a long, hard slog if he did it right in the first place. A 10-year-old plan was not the best strategy. Maybe you SHOULD of left the room and tried to do some independent thinking for once.

RW - I could grab 10 Marine Corps officers and about 5 who agree with me. Nothing against the Navy, but I hardly suspect someone sitting 5 miles offshore has a good grasp of what’s going on in the village of Hit.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 10:54 AM | Link to this

Here comes the lawsuits

I was wondering why every other commercial down here is for lawyers. Their business is booming down here.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 10:57 AM | Link to this

Advice, don’t build a city 10 below sea-level.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 10:57 AM | Link to this

Advice, don’t build a city 10 feet below sea-level.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 11:00 AM | Link to this

You mean don’t rebuild a city 10 feet below sea level?

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 11:02 AM | Link to this

Andy - The sad part is that you believe that garbage about us not dictating their form of government.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this

Vor,

I seriously doubt that 50% of Marine officers would agree with you that we have lost the war and are just hanging around waiting to be killed for no reason.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 11:06 AM | Link to this

Andy is a blind follower, a sheep to slaughter. If Bush said, “we all need to put a bullet in our heads,” Andy would no longer be posting on this board. It is your patriotic DUTY to question, not blindly follow.

By A Solider

December 1, 2005 11:07 AM | Link to this

Dear VOR,

You are misinformed about conditions in IRAQ. I just rotated back from IRAQ and can tell you we are winning. However, after being back in the States for just a week, I now understand why you are having trouble getting accurate information on IRAQ. Its very depressing to listen to our media constantly trash our efforts. I had the opportunity to travel widely in IRAQ and except for Bagdad and maybe one other province things are going great. So don’t be too dismayed about our countries progress in IRAQ. I don’t understand why our press wont report the truth about IRAQ, its very disheartening to a solider , thankfully we (the soldiers’) know first hand that we are winning against the murdering jerks that will kill anyone.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 11:08 AM | Link to this

We call them wingnuts.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 11:14 AM | Link to this

RW - I have never said that we have lost the war. I’m saying we lacked a clear objective or plan from the beginning. I’m saying I know at least 10 Marine Corps Officers and (it should have read) 5 Army officers who agree with me about the ridiculous plan and varying objectives of the war. We are not losing the battles, but the war has no end in sight.

As far as your two Naval officers go. I CAN tell you that if they felt differently, they wouldn’t have been interviewed. Everyone in the military has their own political beliefs, but when they represent the military, there’s only one belief or thought system that is conveyed. Trust me, they were just random Naval officers.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 11:21 AM | Link to this

A Soldier - Yeah whatever dude. No one said we were losing. But since you are back. What was your units objective? Don’t worry about my source of information. It is hardly the media and most definitely not the President, Andy and RW.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 11:26 AM | Link to this

VOR,

You did say: Iraq is almost as bad off as it was when we started. Chances are, it’s going to get worse.

Why is it when someone in the military says things are bad, liberals hold them up as paragons of truth, but if they say they are winning they are just puppets?

By gadem

December 1, 2005 11:28 AM | Link to this

RW, I think for the most part the students at the Naval Academy are not going to boo Mr. Prez, for fear of what would happen if they did….very few people that are enlisted in the military speak out against the Prez…once they are out, they let their true opinions be known.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

I would hope that nobody on this blog is sick enough to post as a soldier returning from IRAQ? If you are a soldier from Iraq, I have some questions and thanks to post.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 11:33 AM | Link to this

gadem,

Regarding Bush’s “speaking� engagements, it is known that his audiences are hand picked supporters of the local republican party. This can not be disputed, this is fact.

I know they wouldn’t boo the President. I was just disputing that categorical statement you made that you said couldn’t be disputed.

They did cheer awfully loud, though.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 11:34 AM | Link to this

Yeah it is bad. The people there are living in more fear than they were before. They are now targets, they are the ones mostly affected by car bombs, random shootings, imposed curfews, limited infrastructure and the hunt for insurgents. It’s going to get worse because as we continue to fight off the insurgents, they become more desperate - equalling more destruction.

We are winning because we are finding, killing and running off the bad guys. HOWEVER, there’s no clear end because the bad guys are like gremlins. We take a town, we leave, they come back, we take the town back. You ever see the movie Groundhog’s Day?

Liberals and Conservatives alike make me sick to my stomach. Niether, in my opinion, gives a rats a-ss about the people in the military and use them to fit their idiotic agendas. So you and Andy can save the Pinko, liberal and other childish garbage when talking to me.

By Bee Ess Detector.

December 1, 2005 11:36 AM | Link to this

This is dedicated to “A Soldier”. Its so great knowing things are all wrapped up in IRAQ!! Thank you. Everyone will be coming home from IRAQ soon. Everyone, sing along!

Happy days are here again The skies above are clear again So let’s sing a song of cheer again Happy days are here again

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 11:39 AM | Link to this

Here is a sampling of the devastating blow George Bush gave to the message of the pinkos:

Breslin: “Hillary Clinton today holds the North American record for fakery.”

Tim Robbins: “Hillary Clinton can kiss my butt.”

Murtha, grasping at the last of his 15 minutes, hurtling towards Cindy Sheehanville: “The Army is broken, worn out.” (Slaughtering terrorists wholesale. Italics added by author.)

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

If we really wanted to fight terror we should have dug in here on our borders. Know who is in our country and what they are up to. Secure our borders. Instead of rounding up insurgents in Iraq, we should be rounding up illegal immigrants here and getting them out of the country. If we would have made that an objective a long time ago, those clowns couldn’t have boarded our planes and couldn’t have taken thousands of lives. It would have been much cheaper too!

By John

December 1, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

Dear A Soldier (Really?);

When you were shipping out and in, did you happen to run the gauntlet from the airport? If we are winning, why is it that we can’t make the trip from the Bagdad Airport to the city without armoured convoys?

By A Solider

December 1, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

VOR—My unit tracked (more like hunted) and killed very bad people. I bagged my limit * and rotated out. I was in county for 15 months and traveled to every province in IRAQ. If you don’t get your information from the media, and you have the opinions as outlined in your previous post, then it appears as though you have biased sources. I recommend you talk to other sources to better round out you views. * There is no limit this is just how we keep our score YESSSS!!!

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 11:44 AM | Link to this

VOR,

With the bile you spew around here, I don’t see how you can suddenly demand how you should be addressed.

I’m sure it was a great pleasure for the Iraqi women waiting to be taken into a rape room or the men that were fed feet first through wood chippers.

I bet the Marsh Arabs were thrilled when the marsh was drained to ruin there way of life. Not to mention the ecological disaster.

The Kurds loved being sprayed with poison gas, which Saddam didn’t even have, but for some reason they died anyway.

It was a real paradise under Saddam!

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this

John: why is it that we can’t make the trip from the Bagdad Airport to the city without armoured convoys? Because pinkos like John would rather encourage the enemy to keep fighting than to get behind our soldiers with their support?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this

Wow, just when you think someone is completely hopeless they come up with a good one.

Nice 11:40 post VOR.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

I would consider getting behind solider Obsessed with Andy or Soldier RW, but oddly you both seem to only want to extol the virtues of this war from the comfort of your own home. You both seem like good Bush pod-people spewing the party mantra, pick up your gun and signup! I hear recuitment is down.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

RW: “Soft drinks and childhood obesity” has gotten 4 comments so far.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 11:58 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Did they even add up to 300 words?

By buff

December 1, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

This is my Christmas song. It is to the tune of Jingle Bells. it is meant as political speech, humor, and satire. But, if it makes you angry or offends you, get over yourself. The RIGHT leaning slash indicates the end of a line. Please enjoy. More tunes are on the way.

Neocon, Neocon/ Neo all they way/ Making fun of liberals/ Is how we spend our da-ay/ We fight for peace, love lib-erty/ And vic-to-ry’s our cry/ And we will love this country/ Until the day we die/

Lucko’s a left-wing pig/ And Rosie O’s a cow/ Landriuex’s ba-by fat/ Blanco’s made for pulling a plow/ Ann Coulter is the babe/ Too hot for us to stand/ And I think that there’s a good chance/ That Hillary’s a man/

Now, the left has lost its mind/ They’re cut ‘n run cowards too/ When backed into a corner/ They don’t what to do/ They insult and have sissy fits/ Because their cause is lame/ The shrieking never quits/ As they lose the de-bate game/

Neocon, Neocon/ Neo all they way/ Making fun of liberals/ Is how we spend our da-ay/ We fight for peace, love lib-erty/ And vic-to-ry’s our cry/ And we will love this country/ Until the day we die/

Now, Howard Dean’s a scream/ Pelosi’s got the mouth/ They can win New York/ But they can’t touch the south/ They say that they lose/ Because their word’s not out/ Put if the public really knew/ All elections would be a rout/

Dem candidates are losers/ Because their plan is weak/ Ted Kennedy’s a boozer/ Chucky Schu-mer is a geek/ B. Boxer’s a silly loon/ Al Gore is just a fool/ Turbin Durbin’s a traitor/ And John Ed-ward’s a legal to-ol/

Neocon, Neocon/ Neo all they way/ Making fun of liberals/ Is how we spend our da-ay/ We fight for peace, love lib-er-ty/ And yes I can be crass/ And if you don’t like my sooooong/ You - can - kisssssss myyyy biiiiiig white a————/

This song is the copyright possession of my PAC “Society for the Promotion of Equal Rights for Men” — S-P-E-R-M

By candide

December 1, 2005 11:59 AM | Link to this

Make love not war. If Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and yes Condi had a little more sex they might leave Iraq alone.

Most of the rightwingers are sexually repressed: Hannity, Coulter, Ingraham especially, Limbaugh to be sure, Michael Savage — well what do you think?

By candide

December 1, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Can you imagine a woman having sex with DeLay? Santorum? Orin Hatch? Tim Coburn? All those Republicans would like some sex but cannot buy or bribe any woman to give it to them.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Now I know why someone would pretend to be a soldier returning fro IRAQ and support Bush. Alma explains on the monster thread.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this

Andy, getalife, Geezus, gadem, Voice of Reason, A Soldier, and anyone else here:

Can the soft drink industry be held accountable for childhood obesity? What do you think?

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this

RW - t-it for tat. Those instances you provide are no worse than being kidnapped on your way to work and being shot execution style. Or even better, beheaded and dumped in a field. Our presence doesn’t prevent small children from being maimed or killed by IEDs are suicide bombers. So like you commented jokingly in one of your other post, I say tomatoe, you say tomato. But Iraq is definitely not Eutopia because we got rid of Saddam.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 12:03 PM | Link to this

lol - for me it’s quitting smoking that has contributed to obesity

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 12:04 PM | Link to this

Hey psuedo-Soldier. My source is the horse. I communicate regularly with friends still in that s-hit hole both military and civilian contractor. So that’s about as rounded as I need to be.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this

RW - I wasn’t aware that Coke made people fat. I always thought it was laziness and Krispy Kreme.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this

No. It is McDonalds fault.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this

Gosh Geezus: That was such a deep, moving and original post you submitted. Nobody has thought of that one yet.

Never mind that I have already served and I consider that supporting our troops is almost worth as much nowadays than actually serving is, why would I go to Iraq to fight our enemies when there are so many of them right here in Atlanta?

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 12:08 PM | Link to this

“I’m sure it was a great pleasure for the Iraqi women waiting to be taken into a rape room …. It was a real paradise under Saddam!”

None of which we cared about as long as Saddam was ‘our guy’ counter balancing the Islamic Revolutionaries in Iran.

So the reality is… that’s not why we toppled Saddam.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 12:10 PM | Link to this

…I consider that supporting our troops is almost worth as much nowadays than actually serving is

LOL - easy to “support” and fight “domestic insurgents” while no bulletts are flying by your head.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:10 PM | Link to this

GLW

I know, I know!

but, what do you think about the soft drink industry and childhood obesity?

VOR,

If you saw the post just above the tomattow/tomorrow comment you would know why I said that.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 12:12 PM | Link to this

Geezus: Let me help, the mouth of the pinko lost Vietnam, the troops didn’t. I’m going to make sure that doesn’t happen in Iraq and guess what, I’m winning!

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:13 PM | Link to this

candide,

You do realize that Laura Ingraham is recovering from very serious breast cancer, don’t you?

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 12:17 PM | Link to this

RW - I know why you said it, it just seemed appropriate to use when I did.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:23 PM | Link to this

VOR,

It was.

By gadem

December 1, 2005 12:24 PM | Link to this

RW, I think they could only be held liable IF it is shown that they did not disclose the true content of their beverages or if they were devious in placing soft drink machines into schools. Logically NO. Noone puts a gun to anyone’s head and makes them drink colas or eat at McD’s.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

[RW, instead of obesity, should’nt we be discussing this?]9http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/bookman/2005/120105.html)

And did you read Alma’s post on the monster thread? Makes alot of sense.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this

gadem has put us over the top!!!!!

We now have more comments than the actual blog on the soft drink topic.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

[RW, instead of obesity, should’nt we be discussing this?]RW, instead of obesity, should’nt we be discussing this?

And did you read Alma’s post on the monster thread? Makes alot of sense.

And did you read Alma’s post on the monster thread? Makes alot of sense.

By GOD

December 1, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this

Way ta go, Geezus! Lay some intelligence on these uneducated, cesspool Nazi Repubs. They are actually gloating over the embarrassing mouthings of their alcoholic hero yesterday! Quite incredible little people. Intellectual insects and thugs.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

Whoa dude, I am seeing double. If I had any sense, I would smoke it.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 12:32 PM | Link to this

I am a God-Warrior

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 12:36 PM | Link to this

In my effort to break down the “Iraqi Army,” for those of you who are interested, I came up with a comparison.

Learning to ride a bike without training wheels: Once the parent removes the training wheels, they assure the child by holding on to the sit. This builds confidence in the child. It lets them think they are doing the work, but if all else fails, the sturdy hand holds the bike.

Now, once that confidence is boosted, the parent deceptively lets go of the seat. As the child smiles and pedals faster, they feel safe “believing” that the steady hand still holds the bike. But when the child looks down and noticing the reliable parent waving from the driveway, he or she inevitably panics and crashes.

That is the danger of leaving these clowns to defend themselves.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Alma seems shocked that 50% of the people are below average in intelligence.

Average-The arithmetic mean.

Gee, I wonder why 50% are below.

So no, I don’t see much sense in Alma’s post. I don’t care much for the City of Alma either.

By Oh The Humanity

December 1, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this

Obviously there is some concern with caffine. These rural republican kids are getting addicted to coca~cola then going on to harder drugs like crystal meth. They figure if Rush Limbaugh can get high they can do too. Meth use now dominates the rural republican landscape. These meth using republicans end up spending hours upon hours at their computer posting on blogs. Their views become distorted.

Please, save the children! Take the vending machines out now, before we lose an entire generation of Republicans. Cola/caffine leads to meth use by republicans.

Oh the humanity.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this

RW, I thought it was a good explanation for this

By John

December 1, 2005 12:42 PM | Link to this

Dear Obsessed With Andy;

I’m a liberal, like George Washington, not a pinko. Pinkos are what your mother wears under her army boots.

Such a jerk, “the mouth of the pinko lost Vietnam” Idiot. How about North Vietnam won. They wanted it more then we did, simple fact.

Always easier to blame the dissent at home then admit the enemy wins. Lets see, who else did that, hmmmm, oh yeah, the Nazis! You wouldn’t be one of those white power Nazis now would you?

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 12:42 PM | Link to this

Voice Of Reason: What is the difference between our clowns and the terrorist clowns?

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 12:44 PM | Link to this

wow…..another astounding faux pas by the bush administration

I wonder how they will try to spin this one.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this

getalife,

This proves that you can’t trust liberal newspapers

Isn’t that the same paper that said Bush and Blair conspired to bomb a Serbian Television station in 1999.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this

I think they met in private to discuss how they can talk Americans into building more refineries and work around the EPA.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 12:50 PM | Link to this

Andy - The clowns I was refering to our the clowns in the Iraqi Army. Not the insurgents or terrorist. There is no comparison when it comes to our military and terrorist.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 12:52 PM | Link to this

John: Since you are going to take up the Vietnam expert mantle, do you know who Vo Nugyen Giap is? If so, why don’t you know that he freely admits that the US Armed Forces killed, not wounded, killed 1.4 million of his troops? And that, because of this loss, they changed their strategy to wait out the Americans and let the scumbag war protesters win the war for them? Look it up, fool.

Here’s some help, in case your too silly to find it

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

Geezus,

I guess you should only talk to carpenters when you form energy policy.

Only a moonbat would think that if you want to build a skyscraper you go find a baker.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 12:54 PM | Link to this

Voice Of Reason: So the terrorists are more powerful than the US Army?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:57 PM | Link to this

Voice of Reason?

You should never teach someone to do something because they haven’t already perfected it????

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 12:57 PM | Link to this

VOR: You don’t have to explain, I understand. What is the difference between the Muslim male clowns that we train for the Iraq army versus the Muslim male clowns that are terrorists?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this

John,

Have you ever been spat on just for walking down the street in uniform?

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 01:00 PM | Link to this

RW - talk to whomever you like, just don’t lie about it. Nice attempt at spin though.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 01:08 PM | Link to this

Notice how I avoided the “consult the foxes on henhouse security” angle.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 01:09 PM | Link to this

Geezus,

If your point is that someone is lying, why are you calling it a Bush administration faux pas? Your story seems to implicate oil company executives not being forthcoming.

The White House position is that they don’t have to name who they met with, not that they didn’t meet with anyone.

By buff

December 1, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this

Hey, get, what is the mood in La?

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 01:11 PM | Link to this

RW - What are you talking about?

Andy - No force compares to our armed services. The difference between the people joining the Iraqi Army and the terrorist is significant. For the most part, they are joining the Army to serve their country. They are willing to die for a free, democratic Iraq. Terrorist, however, spread their hate for other religions and freedoms by killing innocent people or anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Terrorist would prefer to rule by force rather than democracy.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 01:14 PM | Link to this

To me it’s ridiculous either way. You are not going to end 1,300 years of religious fighting by removing Saddam and throwing together an Army. When we are gone and the stability of Iraq is left in their hands, civil war is going to break out and they are going to run to their clans and religious leaders rendering the Army obsolete. Iraq is going to divide into thirds and they will continue to fight over oil money and religion.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 01:14 PM | Link to this

Ready for the game. Everyone has LSU flags on their houses. They love football and gets their minds off the problems here. Not too happy about the dead and no DNA tests for them.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 01:20 PM | Link to this

Talk about a need for disclosure

Vor,

Your silly bike riding analogy.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this

and maybe just your overall defeatist attitude.

By buff

December 1, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this

get, I scored two tickets for the game, pretty good seats. A neighbor, avid uga fan, first oferred me $150 each, then $250, and this morning he called and offered me $400 a ticket. If he comes up to five bills, I am selling

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this

Voice Of Reason: I say let’s give it a chance. We owe them that much at least, it has never been tried. There are many stories coming from Iraq about how the free market capitalism is taking hold in a major way. Once people discover the life that we here in America take for granted, they want to live it themselves. And fight for it.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 01:24 PM | Link to this

buff,

High def and comfort, or Ga. Dome?

I’d take the eight bills and run.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 01:25 PM | Link to this

buff, you should go and wear your LSU colors. It will be worth it to see it live.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

RW has a point. Just donate the money to the Sec. of Labor.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 01:31 PM | Link to this

Calypso Louie will be really disappointed by this

By buff

December 1, 2005 01:32 PM | Link to this

RW, I think you are right, high def and reruns. But the tickets are on the 40 and cose to the uga bench. If eh doesn’t’ score elsewhere he will cough up what I want; he is LOADED

By sct

December 1, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this

“free market capitalism ” Iraqi style. What a mess.

LA TIMES Today BAGHDAD — A controversial oil exploration deal between Iraq’s autonomy-minded Kurds and a Norwegian company got underway this week without the approval of the central government here, raising a potentially explosive issue at a time of heightened ethnic and sectarian tensions.

Drilling began after a ceremony Tuesday, during which Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurdish northern region, vowed “there is no way Kurdistan would accept that the central government will control our resources,” according to news agency reports.

Iraq’s neighbors also fear the possibility of Iraqi Kurds using revenue generated by oil wells to fund an independent state that might lead the roughly 20 million Kurds living in Turkey, Iran and Syria to revolt.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 01:41 PM | Link to this

RW - I couldn’t open your link. You call it a defeatist attitude, I call it looking at it for what it is.

Andy - That sounds great in storybook endings, but the reality is when it boils down to it, these people hold their religion above all else. This isn’t about making a few dollars, it’s about religion and whose willing to go the furthest. No one in Iraq is going to be happy when the smoke clears, and they will resort to what they know and that means civil war. Our hand is, and always will be, in the cookie jar and that’s what bothers them the most.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 01:46 PM | Link to this

sct: First of all, the LA Times?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 01:46 PM | Link to this

VOR,

The last two links are from conservative sites, maybe your computer needs a more open mind.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

RW - Touche

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 01:50 PM | Link to this

Andy,

They are smoking over at the soft drink/fat blog. 7 comments, they also have comments on all the topics that had been zero for days. We must have gotten their ears burning yesterday.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 01:52 PM | Link to this

Voice of Reason: The Iraqi provisional government is compromised of something like 38% women. It looks like the Iraqi people have already overcome some of their stigmas.

By Talon News

December 1, 2005 01:54 PM | Link to this

Yea sct, if your source was more reputable than the LA Times you might have a valid point. Let us know when you see that in the Drudge Report or Talon News. INBELIEVABLE.

Jeff O~O

By sickoftheneocons

December 1, 2005 01:54 PM | Link to this

yes, yes, if it comes from the LA Times or the AJC then it’s automatically a fabrication but if it comes from Fox News or the Wall Street Journal it is automatically the iron-clad truth.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this

RW: I’ll bet it is Cynthia trying to create the false perception that people are participating in her blog, kinda the way she writes her columns.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

O.K. I’ll play along. Your article from the bastion of truth LA Times is based on speculation. There is no news in it. It was an opinion piece that was published as news, i.e. the Kurds are going to revolt. In other words it is, yes, like you said, a fabrication. Next question?

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this

I guess we’ll have to wait and see Andy. Blacks and women were given the right to vote here, but it took them YEARS to be truly equal. And that’s a stretch.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 02:06 PM | Link to this

sickof…,

Fox news is really getting to be more like MSNBC lately, but if “sct” really wants anyone to read the story he/she ought to give a little more of a hint than, LA Times today, of where to find it.

By John

December 1, 2005 02:11 PM | Link to this

Dear Obsessed;

“Asked for his thoughts on Iraq, Giap told CNN’s Stan Grant that no matter how modern a country’s weapons were or how much money it had, it had no right to invade another country. He said a nation that ignored this “moral teaching” would be defeated. Giap said a country that stands up and knows how to unite will always defeat a foreign invaderâ€?

Ok, which quote of old man Giap do you care to remember? Here he says they would prevail in the end no matter what (which they did). And in the other quote, they would have thrown in the towel, were it not for the support of American dissenters. I tend to go with the one that matches the realities; they kept going without the support of Japanese dissenters and French dissenters and they would have continued without the American dissenters. You of course would prefer to cast blame on your fellow countrymen.

Executive Order No 13303, signed by George W Bush.

This states with respect to “all Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein”, that “any attachment, judgment, decree, lien, execution, garnishment, or other judicial process is prohibited, and shall be deemed null and void”. In other words, according to Jim Vallette of the Institute of Policy Studies in Washington, “Bush has in effect unilaterally declared Iraqi oil to be the unassailable province of US oil corporations.”

The Iraqi resistance is very much aware of Executive Order 13303 - and that’s why it sabotaged, and will continue to sabotage, the crucial Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline. The more Iraqis have to wait for oil money to come flowing back and help the reconstruction of the country, the more the US-appointed interim government loses its already shaky credibility. The Iraqi population reads only one thing in all this: it has to buy motor fuel at inflated prices in the black market, and it has to come back to its living quarters and put up with only three hours of electricity a day.

Why the lessons of Vietnam do matter

This war: It is not about freeing anybody from anything. It is all about oil. It is being conducted by fools.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:14 PM | Link to this

VOR: You are going to have to bring me something other than speculation. This is the major difference between liberals and Conservatives. Conservatives believe in the basic goodness in people; the will to be free and to do the right thing. We understand that there will always be people who take advantage of freedom to do wrong or evil. That is why we advocate a strong military and a justice system.

Liberals believe ordinary people cannot handle their own lives; that they need the guidance of government to help them live. They also believe that they are smarter than ordinary people and that they don’t have to follow the rules that they make for everybody else.

Do you really believe that we will ever get along? I know that the Iraqis will succeed and you know that they will fail. And I’m right!

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 02:20 PM | Link to this

Andy,

The nuclear power thread even has a 274 word comment.

Somebody cut that one close.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:20 PM | Link to this

John: I would love for you to share with us one instance in where the US Armed Forces was defeated by the Viet Cong, NVA or National Liberation Front on the field of battle? We withdrew at the behest of our pinko politicians. They voted on it. I could care less about the ideology of Ho Chi Minh. You pinkos surrendered in the midst of victory.

By Dave From Woodstock

December 1, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this

I feel sorry for the family. The TV is obviously a Sylvania. If it were a Toshiba they would stay tuned to King George in real color.

I feel sorry for the family. The carpet is obviously made in China. Had it been made in Georgia, they would have stay tuned while their feet stayed comfy.

(Is the poser still here?)

Bush lies Soldiers die I feel sorry for the family. The couch is obviously a couch. Had it been a sleeper sofa they would have stay tuned and had a nice nap listening to the steady drone of King George.

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this

And since you will never change our minds…the ‘Victory Plan’ is to exterminate us when you get the chance.

By sct

December 1, 2005 02:25 PM | Link to this

Let me make this real easy for you RW, type “Latimes.com”, then look. If you want to find it you will. I am not going to play that stupid game of yours where you link 500 stupid articles a day that only you and Buff read.

As far as the context of the story, it seems we are a long long way from being at the point where we can leave on Bush’s terms if this type of seperation in the the central government is already occurring. Yep, things are going great!

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:25 PM | Link to this

RW: That reminds me, wasn’t that Cynthia McKinney anti nuclear power column a trip? It’s almost like they figured if they used McKinney to voice the opposition it would be a slam dunk for the pro crowd. I’ll bet uranium futures went through the da-mn roof that Monday morning.

By sickoftheneocons

December 1, 2005 02:28 PM | Link to this

IRAQ: NORWEGIAN FIRM STRIKES OIL IN KURDISTAN Erbil, 29 Nov. (AKI) - A Norwegian oil company has begun oil prospecting in Iraqi Kurdistan in what’s believed to be the first drilling by a foreign group in the area since the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003. The firm, DNO, said drilling in the well near the city of Koysanjak, some 70 kilometres from the regional capital Erbil, is expected to reach a depth of 3,000 metres within sixty days and that there were other reserves to be explored in the area. The company said this was the first oil exploration undertaken following a production sharing agreement signed with the Kurdish authorities in June 2004. At the opening ceremony, the Kurdish prime minister Neghervan Barzani, who said that “this wealth will be dedicated to the service of the people of Kurdistan who have suffered many years from being excluded from the resources of the country, which were used by Iraqi governments to oppress and persecute them”. For its part the director of the Norwegian company declared that “this first project is an important step forward for the region.” Currently there are more than 180 wells and refineries in the region which over the past five years have provided for the local energy needs of the population, even if they fall below accepted international standards. The Iraqi government has also decided to build a new refinery in the region that meets world standards to guarantee Iraqi Kurdistan a flow of energy which from time to time is lacking.

Source: ADN Kronos International

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:28 PM | Link to this

sct: Read your own article. It says the Kurds may this, the Kurds may that. Where’s the news? Is this all you pinkos got?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 02:32 PM | Link to this

Andy,

McKinney’s article was great. Wasn’t the headline “It’s Thanksgiving Day, We’ll All Be Dead Soon”?

By Dave From Woodstock

December 1, 2005 02:33 PM | Link to this

*More Bush Lies:

Yesterday, President Bush claimed that Iraqi security forces “primarily led” the assault on the city of Tal Afar. Bush highlighted it as an “especially clear” sign of the progress Iraq security forces were making in Iraq.

The progress of the Iraqi forces is especially clear when the recent anti-terrorist operations in Tal Afar are compared with last year’s assault in Fallujah. In Fallujah, the assault was led by nine coalition battalions made up primarily of United States Marines and Army — with six Iraqi battalions supporting them…This year in Tal Afar, it was a very different story. The assault was primarily led by Iraqi security forces — 11 Iraqi battalions, backed by five coalition battalions providing support.

TIME Magazine reporter Michael Ware, who is embedded with the U.S. troops in Iraq who participated in the Tal Afar battle, appeared on Anderson Cooper yesterday. He said Bush’s description was completely untrue:

I was in that battle from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them.*

Or was it bad intelligence? Lack of intelligence?

Wingnuts post your Bush apologies….NOW!

By getalife

December 1, 2005 02:34 PM | Link to this

buff and RW, Was this the report ya’ll were waiting on for ml?

A large and authoritative study, just published in “the Journal of the American Medical Association� confirms that there is more mental illness and insanity, far more, in America than you find in other advanced societies. Psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom. President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!

The study led by a Harvard Medical School researcher, found evidence of mental problems in 26.4% of people in the United States, versus, for example, 8.2% of people in Italy, Serbia 23%, Croatia 21.8 %, Bosnia 2.9%, Germany 8.1%, Islamic world 3.2%, etc. The researchers were concerned with matters such as lack of access to treatment and under-treatment, but for those concerned about a safe and decent world, I think the salient finding is simply America’s high percentage. The world is being led by a nation where more than one-quarter of the people have genuine mental problems.

The finding is strangely both comforting and disturbing. It is comforting because it helps explain why Americans continue supporting a man proven wrong every time he opens his mouth, a man who has de-stabilised parts of the world in the name of creating stability, a man claiming sound business principles who has pitched the United States into deficit free-fall, and a man who arouses suspicion and fear throughout the world.

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 02:39 PM | Link to this

Andy - Truth is, speculation is really all that there is. But I have to side with history on this one. I don’t know if they are going to fail or succeed. I just know what I saw when I was there, and what I here from people that are still there. The bottom line is that we went into this half-as-sed and if and when we leave, Iraq will be just that, half-as-sed.

The Liberal - Conservative spiel does nothing for me, because I have a hard time agreeing with either. If conservatives were are for the people, strong military and justice, we would have been in place like Darfur a long time ago. Truth is, conservatives are for anything that can make them a buck or a billion.

Liberals are just as bad. They want get help but not give it. They find an excuse for everything that they see wrong in the world and cry when they don’t get their way.

Both groups are greedy hypocrits and only stand for themselves. Regardless of who is in the majority or who is in office, it’s the same bull-sh-it. If it’s not holding the hands of the poor and lazy, it’s ripping off the hardworking middle class.

Either way were screwed, it’s just a matter of who’s going to screw us the hardest. So the only side I choose is what I think works for me. I work hard, vote, pay my taxes, have served my country and I try to be a good person and neighbor. Whether that makes me a conservative, liberal right or wrong, I couldn’t care less. So, yeah, you’re right.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this

Dave, yes that embedded reporter was on CNN last night. He said Bush’s statement about Tal Afar was untrue. Go figure.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:41 PM | Link to this

Dave From Woodstock: Have you ever considered being a reporter for the AJC?

President Bush claimed that Iraqi security forces “primarily led�

• I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda.*

They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them.

First of all, Time Magazine? What don’t you understand about the word “primarily?”

By sickoftheneocons

December 1, 2005 02:44 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it interesting that the first company to get contracts to prospect for oil in Iraq was a NORWEGIAN company and not an American one?

By John

December 1, 2005 02:44 PM | Link to this

Richard Nixon was a pinko?! Well obviously! If Obsessed With Andy says so! I think Obsessed With Andy has a touch of pinkeye. Maybe thats why he sees pinkos everywhere? Or maybe he’s been drinking a bit much and sees the pink elephants etc.?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 02:47 PM | Link to this

Only about 490 more stories to reach my “sct” stated goal

Unfortunately this story will probably bring Midori in, but he is praising Mothra!

By getalife

December 1, 2005 02:47 PM | Link to this

I see pink people and nice spin Andy.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:47 PM | Link to this

VOR: I’m not talking about the bad apples in either ideology, do you agree with the statement that liberals stop Conservatives from doing the right thing? That Conservatives are honestly trying to do good for the US and the liberals are trying to obstruct those efforts?

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 02:49 PM | Link to this

Or maybe Pink Unicorns…

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:52 PM | Link to this

John: So you missed the early 70’s? How the pinkos protested Nixon’s every move on the war? Much like we are seeing today? Cambodia? The Christmas, er, Holiday Season bombings? His impeachment? The vote by the lib dominated congress in 1975?

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 02:53 PM | Link to this

Andy - No I don’t agree with that statement. I think they are both preventing each other from doing good things. They are both at fault because of their inability to work together to do what’s best. No matter how you spin it, I don’t choose sides in the Liberal - Conservative BS.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 02:53 PM | Link to this

That LA Times is quite a resource, this is the story they place above the Kurdish oil story

By getalife

December 1, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

Our Lady Unicorn is Pink and Invisible. Whoa, my head is spinning again. Wait, some one has been into my meds.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

Websters- Primarily- mainly, principally not all by themselves you silly pinkos. And I spin?

By GLW in ATL

December 1, 2005 02:56 PM | Link to this

“do good for the US”… if that means: short sighted, only our interests are important, cowboy justice… then you are absolute right.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this

VOR: Name one idea the democrats have had the last 15 years, other than withdrawl from Iraq.

By Carlita

December 1, 2005 02:58 PM | Link to this

Boy you gotta love that Arnold. Finally came to his senses and got some democrats on board.
I really think the reason he is using good stragety is a good woman is behind him. (A democrat no less. Go Maria Shriver!)

By getalife

December 1, 2005 02:59 PM | Link to this

I was in that battle from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them.

Yes, you spin. There should have been a wingnut reporter embedded and this would not come out.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

andy - you could ask the same question of the republicans.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 03:02 PM | Link to this

I would like to apologize to everyone, I erred in one of my posts this morning. I said that the Dow Jones was at 10,800 when it is actually at 10,912. Of course this increase has nothing, I said nothing!, to do with the tax cuts and it is only further proof of the imminent failure of the US economy.

By John

December 1, 2005 03:06 PM | Link to this

Yeah Dave in Woodstock; how dare you catch Mr. Bush implying an untruth he only wants you to believe! Have you no Shame!

Remember when Mr. Bush and Co. implied that Al Queida and Saddam were mixed up together, fooled everybody on that one for awhile. When it was totally discredited, then they said they never really said that. 60% of the American public just thought that was what he had said. That was a good one!

Good enough to invade another country that was no threat to the USA but now is due to that pinko George Bush!

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 03:07 PM | Link to this

Geezus: The tax cuts for the rich, tort reform, education reform, social security reform, tax reform (this is the bomb, go value tax!!) immigration reform, ruination of the democratic party (some credit must go to the democratic party itself,) freedom and democracy in the Middle East, drilling in ANWR, I got keyboard cramp….

By kimberly

December 1, 2005 03:08 PM | Link to this

Obsessive Andy: Thank you for your insightful input to this topic. There are 58,249 names on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall.

May I ask: How many names do YOU think should be there instead? How many names should be on the Iraq Veterans Memorial Wall before we can put this to rest? Just curious. Thanks.

By buff

December 1, 2005 03:08 PM | Link to this

Didn’t Nixon begin the liberal programs of affirmative action, food stamps, price freezes?

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 03:09 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, the democrats want to raise the minimum wage by $.50, I shouldn’t be such a fibber.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 03:11 PM | Link to this

It is the confused world of the republicrat - Fighting a never-ending war with no exit strategy; refusing to provide sufficient troop strength to accomplish the tasks it claims are righteous; all the while closing military bases at home. And andy being the best example of trying to “steal” credit when not deserved and blame everyone but his own party for mistakes made by his republican run (top-to-bottom) administration.

By sct

December 1, 2005 03:14 PM | Link to this

Apology accepted Andy. Btw congratulations to Bush and his economy for making it to 10,912! Thats a total gain of 126 points in his 5 years as Preisdent. Bush will always be known as the sizzlin economy prez. 126 points!

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 03:14 PM | Link to this

John: The 9/11 commission came to the conclusion that Al Qaeda and Iraq had been actively cooperating. You can buy their report here-

Jamie Gorelick’s Wall Memo

By Voice of Reason

December 1, 2005 03:15 PM | Link to this

Well here’s one that is close to home for me: (1) Republicans rejected a Democratic initiative to provide additional medical care to our nation’s veterans. (2) An Education bill that will help low-income students go to school. (3) Another bill on corporate taxation that makes sure corporations that hide overseas pay fair taxes. (4) Another that supports raising the minimum wage, which the Republicans are against. Evident by the increase of the gap between upper and middle class.

There’s more.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this

Andy,

To be fair the Democrats are for not having tax cuts, not doing tort reform, not reforming education, not saving Social Security (which might a good thing not to save), not doing tax reform or getting rid of the IRS (shameless plug for HR-25 here), not allowing freedom or democracy anywhere, not drilling anywhere….

By Dave From Woodstock

December 1, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this

Like I said guys:

MAKE YOUR BUSH EXCUSES….NOW!

By McCain

December 1, 2005 03:18 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, Andy doesn’t care how many names there are as long as there is no chance his will be one of them.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this

kimberly: Why do you want to play numbers games? We should grieve one life as if we were grieving 3000 of them. Do you think 450,000 American soldiers was too much to stop Hitler in World War II?

By kimberly

December 1, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this

McCain, thanks for answering for Andy. I think you are correct. Funny how some people have so much to say until you ask them a direct question.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 03:26 PM | Link to this

sct: Do you know how many people took a serious hit from the dot.com bust? The dot.com that was driven by speculation, so called “money burns?” All during the years that we had a fake president who oversaw a fake economy? Bush survived that fiasco, the terrorist attacks, hurricanes and enriching his energy buddies. Blow it out your…

By Susie

December 1, 2005 03:26 PM | Link to this

Arnold, Arnold, he’s our man.

By kimberly

December 1, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this

Andy, it was a simple question. Why do you retort with a question instead of an answer? Just curious, Dude. How many dead American soldiers are enough for you? (I won’t ask about civilians because I don’t imagine you care about them either.)

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 03:28 PM | Link to this

Again, always willing to take credit, never willing to give.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

VOR: So you are for deficit spending? I was just checking your 3:15 post.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 03:34 PM | Link to this

kimberly: I think 450,000 to win World War II was a terrible but noble and necessary sacrifice. I don’t think we will come anywhere near that number in Iraq unless we withdraw and then those deaths will be innocent civilians not soldiers. No deaths are really acceptable, including those that had to chose between burning up in jet fuel or jumping 108 stories to their deaths at the WTC.

By Susie

December 1, 2005 03:35 PM | Link to this

Do you think we could get the rules changed so Arnie can run for Prez next election.

By sct

December 1, 2005 03:36 PM | Link to this

Hey Andy, Dave from Woodstock seems to know you well…..”MAKE YOUR BUSH EXCUSES….NOW!”

By McCain

December 1, 2005 03:41 PM | Link to this

Are you tying 9/11 to Iraq Andy?

By getalife

December 1, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this

You mean this Arnold?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 03:56 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Maybe it’s this Arnold

By getalife

December 1, 2005 04:00 PM | Link to this

Good show and Petticoat Junction.

By Susie

December 1, 2005 04:07 PM | Link to this

It is so, so sad to see fellow republicans turn on Arnold and compare him with the pig Arnold Ziffle. Arnie said he didn’t have sex with all those women and I believe him. You girly men are just jealous.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 04:08 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Petticoat Junction

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 04:12 PM | Link to this

Susie,

getalife isn’t exactly a Republican, and Arnold Ziffle could do anything.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this

I would have voted for her.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 04:19 PM | Link to this

and bush wouldn’t even get this….I wonder if Andy will

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 04:25 PM | Link to this

McCain, of course I am. Everyone with a brain knows that highly placed Iraqi officials were linked to the 9/11 perpetrators. Did you know that the evidence is overwhelming? When will you pinkos get it through your heads?

By Nevaeh

December 1, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

Andy had to go out to get some Prepration H.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 04:35 PM | Link to this

Andy,

The Tucker blog only got eight comments on this:

Should the Guantanamo prison remain beyond the law?

If we mention Club Gitmo here all h-ell breaks loose. I think the question itself pretty much proves it’s either Tucker or Bookman.

By Geezus

December 1, 2005 04:40 PM | Link to this

When will you produce this evidence? Just because you really, REALLY, want something to be true, doesn’t mean that it is.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 04:43 PM | Link to this

Everybody give a warm welcome to my pinko stalker-

McCain, of course I am. Everyone with a brain knows that highly placed Iraqi officials were linked to the 9/11 perpetrators. Did you know that the evidence is overwhelming? When will you pinkos get it through your heads?

How did you all like your mutual masturbation session with her? I don’t think anybody fell for this childish and immature offering, it sounds kind of hysterical like some pinko woman.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

McCain: No I am not. The 9/11 commission found evidence of Iraq and Al Qaeda cooperation, but none directly related to the terrorist attacks. But then again, the CIA can’t find Osama Bin Ladentorest, they’re to busy grinding axes with Bush, so who really knows what is true.

By George

December 1, 2005 04:50 PM | Link to this

Andy is it true that you take Midol?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 04:50 PM | Link to this

McCain,

I might add that when you decide to actually read the 9/11 report pay special attention to why Clinton bombed the aspirin factory in Sudan.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 04:50 PM | Link to this

RW: I wonder if Tucker realizes Club Gitmo could actually fall under Cuban law which would make torture legal?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 04:54 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I doubt she would know, but our lease agreement doesn’t subject us to Cuban law.

It would be nice if they would tour Club Gitmo and a Cuban prison on the same trip, though.

Maybe Ambassador Wilson and his newly unemployed wife would like that task.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 04:55 PM | Link to this

I wish Fidel would die already. I want some of their cigars. Monte Cristo #2’s.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Just go to Belize or Canada.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

Yes, I got some in Toronto, cigars too.

By Dave From Woodstock

December 1, 2005 04:59 PM | Link to this

People: Are we still having problems with posers?

The last time I was in, I said a bunch of stuff I didn’t say.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 05:00 PM | Link to this

OK Bill, quit posing as “getalife”.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 05:02 PM | Link to this

Dave, did you post about the Time embedded reporter?

By gadem

December 1, 2005 05:04 PM | Link to this

Andy everytime I read your post, I realize how much of a pathetic joke you are…you are fighting a war at home against pinko’s…keep telling yourself that lie…I would assume that Bush would much rather you enlist and go to Iraq and fight for the freedom of the Iraqi people.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

RW, I did not have sex with that woman in Toronto, can’t remember her name. She looked better than Monica.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

gadem: So how can I tell if this is really you? If it’s not and it’s just some silly little child trying out some worn out used up Moveon.org slogans on me, write my answer down, I’m not saying it again. The mouth and lack of courage/ intestinal fortitude of the pinko lost the war in Vietnam. I am here and in other places too make sure it doesn’t happen to Iraq. When you pacifists grow old and mature you will realize that I saved you from another humiliating episode of senseless surrender. You will thank me then.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 05:15 PM | Link to this

ABC takes the lead in the race to the bottom, how disgusting will they get?

By Carla

December 1, 2005 05:18 PM | Link to this

I heard a rumor that Andy sings “Tiptoe thru the tulips” in the shower.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 05:28 PM | Link to this

Like this guy?

By Oh The Humanity

December 1, 2005 05:29 PM | Link to this

Why did the chickenhawk cross the road?

Actually, he never did quite make it. In fact if you look you can still see him standing there crying and whining. You see, the chickenhawk is too afraid to cross, he’s scared. Oh the humanity.

By Dave From Woodstock

December 1, 2005 05:29 PM | Link to this

Dave, did you post about the Time embedded reporter?

That Twer I.

Cubans…mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

By getalife

December 1, 2005 05:32 PM | Link to this

Yes, goes good with crown on the rocks.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

Carla: Would you like to find out for sure? (-;

RW: Laura should have slapped that little pinko b-itch right across her pacifist mouth.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 05:43 PM | Link to this

Andy,

She and President Bush have too much class, but I bet she would have liked to.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 05:43 PM | Link to this

Bush’s speech was simply masterful. He flushed the whining wimpy little democrats out into the open where they could stab each other in the back. The whole pinko industry is in a self inflicted shambles. For instance-

Much ado about nothing? Perhaps. But several DC Democrats I’ve spoken to today were not happy with Kerry’s antics. And given 1) Kerry’s continued inability to clearly articulate a coherent position on the war …, and 2) the fact that Kerry voted for it (while Reed did not), it’s not hard to see why.

By Dave From Woodstock

December 1, 2005 05:44 PM | Link to this

Andy:

Just post your “list of enemies” and spare us all your monotonous regurgitations of the politically-out-of-touch-with-reality-wingnut fringe.

By Carla

December 1, 2005 05:45 PM | Link to this

Andy if you are making a video of you singing in the shower singing Tiptoe thru the tulips, yes, yes, I want a copy.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 05:53 PM | Link to this

Dave: Anybody who is a pinko? I hope that was helpful?

Carla: You can have your own personalized DVD copy for $12,275.00 plus shipping and handling. Keep an open eye for details of my webpage it will be available there.

By Edwardo

December 1, 2005 05:54 PM | Link to this

Andy what did George do that made Laura want to slap a woman’s face. Did George do hanky panky. Does he know how?

By Talon News

December 1, 2005 05:55 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON(AP) - President Bush’s spokesman said Thursday “we’re very concernedâ€? about reports that the U.S. military is paying Iraqi newspapers and journalists to plant favorable stories about the war and the rebuilding effort……….

Is the liberal media so out of touch with REALITY that they need to invent reasons to HATE Bush? Look Bush knows that you have to manipulate certain things to counter the LIB media. Common sense. We are at war, there is no such thing as fake news. FREEDOM.

Jeff O~O

By Dave From Woodstock

December 1, 2005 05:56 PM | Link to this

Bush’s speech was simply masterful. He flushed the whining wimpy little democrats out into the open where they could stab each other in the back. The whole pinko industry is in a self inflicted shambles.

He only said what he should have said two tears ago.

As for it being masterful: The man is a God-awful orator. Maybe if he rolled up his sleeves and removed that speaker in his ear he’d make some sense.

By Daniel

December 1, 2005 05:56 PM | Link to this

Listen to Jack Murtha. All others are delusional.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 06:05 PM | Link to this

Edwardo: He is defending America. The pinko woman didn’t like that.

By Arlene

December 1, 2005 06:05 PM | Link to this

I don’t think this blog should be used to try to sell pornographic DVD’s.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 06:06 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

This Jack Murtha

Why, does Duke Cunningham need a roommate?

By Shirlene

December 1, 2005 06:12 PM | Link to this

Andy I am confused. What is your position on Iraq.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 06:14 PM | Link to this

RW, let me guess wingnut website?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 06:42 PM | Link to this

Uh-oh: Podhoretz does Murtha-

Total Pinko Collapse

By Fidel

December 1, 2005 06:44 PM | Link to this

I too am a great Bush fan! We love it when you fools elect something like him. It helps our cause. It always has. “Spreading democracy & freedom throughout the world.” God bless America!

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 06:49 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Do you know a site that links impromptu remarks to the press? I just heard a 30 second sound bite from Kerry where he took about 5 different positions on the Iraq war and even threw in some clues to the Lindberg baby kidnapping.

(I might be mistaken about the last part)

By GOD

December 1, 2005 06:49 PM | Link to this

Umm. Sorry, Fidel. I just can’t do that nowadays.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 06:50 PM | Link to this

Clinton is into German chicks now.

Bilateral Outreach, Sans Hillary

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 06:52 PM | Link to this

Fidel,

How’s Che? Still dead?

By Phil

December 1, 2005 06:53 PM | Link to this

RW - you’re gonna wanta watch that nasty little Nazi mouth of yours. Somebody might just break it for you

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 06:54 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Now you know that story clearly says Clinton was there to pick up a Bambi.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 06:57 PM | Link to this

Hi Phil,

I normally type with my hands.

How about Hitler? Still dead?

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 06:59 PM | Link to this

RW: I’d say Billy was successful. He’s moving away from the trailer park trash.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 07:01 PM | Link to this

RW: I’d help you with the Kerry bite but when I put his name and “speech” together in my browser my computer locks up. It can’t sort through too many positions at once.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 07:04 PM | Link to this

Andy,

It only looks like Bill moved up, one of these is Bambi

The moonbats seem really upset today, I’m sure the Presidents speech and the Democratic party implosion had nothing to do with it.

By buff

December 1, 2005 07:12 PM | Link to this

John McCain is beginning to look, and sometimes talk, like a Kennedy

By Carla

December 1, 2005 07:17 PM | Link to this

Andy still working on that video? Gosh darn did Georgie mumble a few words last night. I must have been watching Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 07:18 PM | Link to this

buff,

Beginning to? If it wasn’t for his support of the Iraq war he may as well be a Democrat.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 07:18 PM | Link to this

Annie’s on TV tonite!!

O’Reilly Factor @ 8:00

By buff

December 1, 2005 07:26 PM | Link to this

RW, you were right the other day, very perceptive, I am more Liberatian than GOP (I suspect you are too), but I vote GOP a great deal. I would trade Lieberman for McCain in a NY minute

By buff

December 1, 2005 07:30 PM | Link to this

RW, forgot to tell you, the SEC tickets, sold at $850

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 07:30 PM | Link to this

Carla, is that you?

That took awhile, there are some absolute babes named Carla that enjoy having there pictures on the internet.

By buff

December 1, 2005 07:31 PM | Link to this

RW, my son is pis—-

By buff

December 1, 2005 07:36 PM | Link to this

Off to a party to celebarate a newborn in the neighborhood for a couple of hours. I am taking a 5th of Makers Mark. And, I printed out some of the posts from Andy, RW, and Dusty and will seal them in swaddling material to try to get Edmund (sheesh) off to a good start

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 07:38 PM | Link to this

buff,

Just when I was getting ready to offer $1,200.00.

By Carla

December 1, 2005 07:47 PM | Link to this

R.W. that was a sneeky way to get you and your pooch’s picture on the blog. Is her name really Carla? They say people start to look like their pets. Does that hold true for you and the pooch?

By A Libertarian

December 1, 2005 07:58 PM | Link to this

Republican Corruption Evident Once Again with Cunningham Admission

Bush Administration’s “Victory” Strategy Leaves Major Questions Unanswered

U.S. Senate Finally Gets Around to Asking About Iraq Exit Strategy

Conservative Movement Crumbles Under Bush Administration

Bush Uses Religion to Defend the Miers Nomination

They go on and on….These are headlines of articles from the Libertarian website, one article after another critical of Bush. BUFF, you are NOT A LIBERTARIAN. http://www.lp.org/press.shtml

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 07:59 PM | Link to this

Why I don’t watch TV anymore: The question Fox is asking their audience- Would legal gay marriage mean more polygamy? 2 thoughts, who says Fox is Conservative and do they even care that they’ve lost all credibility?

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 08:00 PM | Link to this

Carla,

It’s from here, a Greyhound adoption site

If you scroll down some you’ll find Carla.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 08:09 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Did you see the size of the bed they had made for that (triple?)?

Fox has been going downhill for a few months, it’s amazing that they are still bashed for being conservative.

By Carla

December 1, 2005 08:09 PM | Link to this

R.W. When did you adopt Carla? I never figured you for a dog lover. Maybe you do have a heart after all.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 08:09 PM | Link to this

Guaranteed, you can write it down and stick on the board: In January 2008, Fox News will endorse Hillary. They are that far gone.

By Phil

December 1, 2005 08:12 PM | Link to this

RW: Yes indeed! Hitler is still alive and well - living in Texas. His severely brain-challenged son currently resides in the White House. Why can’t you little dorks keep yourselves updated?? And no, you do NOT type with your fingers. We know what microscopic body part you use to type. It’s companions were surgically removed at child birth.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 08:13 PM | Link to this

Poor guy, hung out to dry.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 08:15 PM | Link to this

Carla,

Carla isn’t my dog. I had never seen her until I posted her picture for you.

This looks more like my dog

By getalife

December 1, 2005 08:17 PM | Link to this

Yes, Go Dawgs!

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 08:19 PM | Link to this

Is it just me or does everyone think Phil has issues?

Sheesh, and Carla thinks I’m heartless.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 08:20 PM | Link to this

getalife: That’s you who’s “vibrating.” Hiding under your bed. “The vibrations of unease from within the United States clearly have an impact on public opinion elsewhere,” said Terence Taylor of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Washington. “Public opinion in many of these countries is heavily divided.”

By getalife

December 1, 2005 08:21 PM | Link to this

Phil may need Dr. Phil

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 08:25 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Maybe this is Phil, he could follow your link and have Phil on Phil

By getalife

December 1, 2005 08:26 PM | Link to this

Andy, I knew you would not like that part but like Clinton said today, we are there and we should pray that it is successful. He said I am.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 08:28 PM | Link to this

Phil needs a pill, chill phil take a pill.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 08:32 PM | Link to this

getalife: We’ll be alright without Bulgaria. I salute their courage and the effort they gave for freedom the last 2 1/2 years.

It sure does lay to rest the idea that our “dissent” has no effect on the troops…

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 08:34 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Every time they talk about another country heading home from Iraq it blows the whole “unilateral” argument, too.

By Carla

December 1, 2005 08:36 PM | Link to this

R.W. I repeat my question. Do you now look like your pet? Be it Carla the greyhound or the Georgia Bulldog mascot.

By anita johnson

December 1, 2005 08:38 PM | Link to this

So, does Andy still still bother to grease up his GW action figure at night?

By getalife

December 1, 2005 08:38 PM | Link to this

Andy, alot of people hung in there.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 08:40 PM | Link to this

Carla,

No,I’m a lot taller and I almost never lay around on a bag of ice.

By Babs Bush

December 1, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this

I am so tired of you people talking about my daddy all the time. Uncle Jeb and his family have done just as bad and nobody picks on them. What about Uncle Neil? Nobody picks on him. Not even when he said he had sex with those prostitutes.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 08:46 PM | Link to this

You are right Babs, there are plenty of Bush’s to go around.

By I Wish I Was Andy

December 1, 2005 08:48 PM | Link to this

Ann Coulter rocks! She’s writing another book! She has a stalker lib website where pinkos fantasize on raping her! How classy, y’all!

Yep, the “party of ideas” trying to censure their opposition. They wouldn’t do that, would they?

By anita johnson

December 1, 2005 08:54 PM | Link to this

Hey dip wad Andy,

You should know a lot about Ann Coulter. She borrowed her entire presona from a fictional character in a PJ O’Rourke book.

She can make up anything she wants because numb nuts such as yourself by into the fantasy.

Here’s something for you, O’Rourke borrowed from Hunter S. Thompson and HL Mencken. Ann Coulte is nothing but a retread. And you’re nothing but a loser.

By getalife

December 1, 2005 08:55 PM | Link to this

ml scribbled Santa for you Andy.

By Carla

December 1, 2005 08:56 PM | Link to this

Andy: You are probably the one that fantasizes about Ann Coulter. After all you are the one that brought the subject of rape up.

By RW-(the original)

December 1, 2005 09:01 PM | Link to this

Carla,

Andy didn’t bring it up. Ann did when she was being interviewed a few minutes ago.

She said left wing websites are talking whether it would be OK to rape her. Even the feminists chimed in by saying,”We’re usually against rape, but if it’s Ann Coulter it’s all right.”

Pretty sick.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:02 PM | Link to this

Wow, look at how comfortable the libs are with their ideas. When a strong female like Ann Coulter challenges them, out comes the fangs and the long knifes. You can always tell when you have a dog cornered because they turn vicious and they foam at the mouth. Works for a pinko, too.

By Obsessed With Andy

December 1, 2005 09:04 PM | Link to this

RW: Santa has made an appearance. New cartoon.

By anita johnson

December 1, 2005 09:07 PM | Link to this

Coulter isn’t a strong female. she only exists to fulfill your juvenile fantasies.

anyone can write with hyperbole and venom. of course, i wouldn’t expect someone with andy’s community college background to understand that.

By anita johnson

December 1, 2005 09:18 PM | Link to this

here’e the thing about andy - he’s a crybaby. he won’t read about vietnam because historians are liberals. he won’t read about global warming because scientists are liberals. he won’t read about evolution because antropologists are liberals. etc. etc.

liberalism is a built in excuse for andy. it’s so convenient. “it’s not my fault, they were liberals.” wah, wah, wah.

By Steve

December 1, 2005 11:34 PM | Link to this

Whoa!! PHIL has the truth down pat! And I like FIDEL’S post too. A successful leader who’s been in charge for 55 years!

Ma’am, you forgot the best part about NEIL BUSH. The multiple felonious indictments of him re Silverado S & L and other institutions. Daddy sent him off to Japan for 4, that FOUR years. And bought off the charges. Now Neil lives qietly here in Houston. Sucking off the family t**, uttering not a peep, seldom venturing outside. When’s the last time you saw a photo of the happy, well-adjusted Bush family?? Jeb’s daughter’s into multiple charges of DUI and hard drug use. Jail. The wife convicted recently for shoplifting. ETC. We here know the Bushes best! So much to say - so little time. Such Rightest cretins on this site!

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 01:07 AM | Link to this

Steve, Phil, Fidel, anita etal,

You who know him best

By Steve

December 2, 2005 01:21 AM | Link to this

RW. What are you trying to babble? Everything is just over your wee little head, is it not? Just another angy, tortured loser out to vindicate his (your) twisted mentality & agenda. The more you yap the more you reveal layer after layer of human weakness. You rightwing freaks live unexamined lives which become self-sustaining w each & every new psychopathicity you develop. Nothing new there. An intellectual eunuch. Now hush and climb back under your rock. Cockroaches fear the light of day. Goodnight, little man.

By Steve

December 2, 2005 01:23 AM | Link to this

RW. That’s “——roaches.”

By RW-(the original)

December 2, 2005 01:34 AM | Link to this

Moron,

It was a link.

By Geezus

December 2, 2005 08:52 AM | Link to this

Wow, this blog went to hell after I left work yesterday…..lol