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from al franken’s new book, the truth (with jokes)

“You can’t count on them to give you straight information.  You can’t count on them to tell us straight why we’re going to war.  You can’t count on them to tell us what’s happening over there.

You can’t count on them to do their homework.  To keep track of our money.  You can’t count on them to punish war profiteers.  You can’t count on them to protect our troops.

You can’t rely on them for much of anything.  Armor.  Veterans’ benefits.  You can’t count on them for the true story of how Jessica Lynch was captured, or how Pat Tillman died.  Even for how the “Mission Accomplished” sign went up on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln.  They actually lied about that.

You can’t count on them to count terrorist attacks.  You can’t count on them to count civilian victims.  You can’t count on them to listen to military commanders and send in enough troops, or to not lie about the commanders asking them to send more troops, or to listen to Colin Powell and not torture people, or to not lie about whether the torture policies started at the top.

You can’t trust them to care.  About Iraqis.  About Americans.

You can’t trust them to do the work of actually signing killed-in-action letters.  You can’t trust them not to lie about not signing killed-in-action letters.

You can’t count on them to acknowledge any mistakes whatsoever.  You can’t trust them not to lie when confronted with those mistakes.

You can’t trust them not to believe their own propaganda.

You can’t trust them.  Period.”

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By BR

November 29, 2005 11:02 AM | Link to this

Mike, I absolutely love your cartoons, but this seems like a cheap and easy way to get about 400 whiny comments posted from the wingnuts and thousands more page views. Oh well, laugh all the way to the bank, AJC!

By sct

November 29, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this

LONDON, England (AP) — A former senior U.S. State Department official says he has come to doubt whether President George W. Bush’s administration presented an honest intelligence case for the war in Iraq.

“You begin to speculate, you begin to wonder — Was this intelligence spun? Was it politicized? Was it cherry-picked? Did in fact the American people get fooled? I’m beginning to have my concerns,” Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff for former Secretary of State Colin Powell, said in an interview broadcast Tuesday

By Jeffrey Pope

November 29, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this

Hey Mike, Get off your soap box and just draw your stupid cartoons. Only, this time, make them funny. Don’t get me wrong, I support our troops where ever they are, but I believe that the war in Iraq has been mishandled as well. But enough with it. Can’t you come up with some other material? Your creativity has taken a dramatic downturn over the past 18 months.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

November 29, 2005 11:24 AM | Link to this

Excellent use of space. It will, indeed, prompt lots of name calling from people who’s hearts and minds have been piecered by the lies on which this administration has thrived. For those who hit the streets in opposition to this war in support of the troops it’s the truth that’s been known all along. Resisting the deployment of troops into combat based on lies, half truths, and smears is the most noble actin in support of the troops.

By Fake But True Andy

November 29, 2005 11:44 AM | Link to this

Is this the same Al Franken who diverted $825,000 from the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club so that he and the other pinkos at Air America could get paid? Why weren’t they making money from their ad sponsorships? Are their ratings pretty much rock bottom? Are just a few kooks like cartoon boy the only ones who listen to them?

By rustylynn

November 29, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Mike, seriously, your cynisism is really starting to affect your work. You always depended on your unique perspective to cover for your weak drawing skills, but now you just mimic these idiots who find ways to blame every single problem in the whole world on George Bush. You’re beating a very dead horse. If you need Franken to validate your world view, you really need to spend some time outside the AJC’s building.

By Marita

November 29, 2005 12:17 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!

By Tes

November 29, 2005 12:19 PM | Link to this

Marita, I second that motion!!! IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!

By Tes

November 29, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this

Ted Turner: Iraq ‘no better off’ after U.S.-led war

He warned that a nuclear war could “kill everything on the planet” and said it could take place in an afternoon. Turner said he was afraid someone in power could make the mistake to launch a nuclear war, including President Bush, based on his previous decisions.

“You have to question … the president on a lot of decisions he’s made,” Turner said. “He might just think launching those weapons would be a good thing to do. … He thought Iraq was.”

By 72virgins

November 29, 2005 12:32 PM | Link to this

Andy,do you spend every waking minute here? Get a dog or something. Maybe even a girl. Maybe you should convert to Islam and cash in on the 72 virgins that come with that program. Dude you need a life.

By Matt

November 29, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

Do you clean up your own liberal bedwetting, or does Hillary Clinton do it for you?

When is the AJC going to realize that a WHOLE lot of people went for Bush in this last election. Remember who your buyers are!

By Erik

November 29, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

As an Ex-Tx I must agree with Liberal Texas Democrat. All the flag waving and bravura will not make the effort a valid one. FDR once said, “Repetition does not make a lie into a truth.” Andy once asked me if all the troops who have died have died in vain. Their sacrifice is laudible, honorable but the motivation and the end of their sacrifice is false. Wasting a life is bad enough if it’s your own decision. Done on the orders of a government with a false or ill-defined (I’ll be polite) end, is the farthest one can go from supporting the troops. The end to which the government preaches is only one that can exsist in a mind that doesn’t know or understand the history and true current situation in the region. I cannot think of a country that was made democratic with the plan dictated by an outside force. If you think this motivation exsists in Iraq, read the headlines today about kidnapping and murder of people by current Iraqi “security” forces.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 29, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this

Erik: I cannot think of a country that was made democratic with the plan dictated by an outside force. Have you ever heard of Japan or Germany?

Without the sacrifice of our soldiers all through the history of this country we would not be the United States Of America. While it is true that we would exist under some other rule, it is also true that you and the other pinkos would be the only ones who would enjoy it.

By Erik

November 29, 2005 01:35 PM | Link to this

Germany and Japan already had the basics of a democracy, a common background amoung a population that shared a common past, common religion for the mosr part, and no group had suffered at the hands of another portion of the countries population to date. I realize there were certainly “pockets” of those who did not follow the common thread of belief but for the most part the population shared a background. The majority was homogenous for the most part. If not the leaders that beought about the fascist rule would not have been allowed to rule. The bravdo of a national identity was used.

This is not the case in Iraq. The Kurds, S**, and Sunnis have been at each others throats for decades and there are tremendous amounts of hatred and suspicion between them. This was NOT the case in either Germany or Japan where the overwhelming majority of the population shared their background and there was already in place a common feeling of nationality. This we are trying to create in Iraq and that cannot be done.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 02:09 PM | Link to this

ml, is now using this guy?

By Midori

November 29, 2005 02:21 PM | Link to this

this is how Bush “got a whole lot of votes” in 2004:

http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051129/NEWS06/511290353

it didn’t just happen in Missouri.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 02:36 PM | Link to this

This is Midori’s story in convenient link form

Would someone explain how this shows “a whole lot of votes” for Bush or how it doesn’t show a need to implement a strict voter ID law?

By Ricky

November 29, 2005 02:41 PM | Link to this

Is Lucko really posting this dialogue from Al Franken as if it carries any merit? Does he realize this is Al Franken, not some serious student of politics. Franken, like Michael Moore, is a joke. All this highlights is why the Dems lose elections. Well its good for a laugh at least.

By Mara

November 29, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

Uh, Ricky, of course he’s a joke. He’s a commediene after all. But it’s nice to see that even the right wing thinks he’s funny.

By Dusty

November 29, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

Well, Luckovich can’t draw and can’t write and his politics are like the plague—not many people want it. So he copies parts of books. Maybe the Book Editor will draw the cartoons since Luckovich is trying to take her book job. We might get better cartoons.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 03:41 PM | Link to this

Click the link on this page to take the “Name the Liberal Hypocrite’ test

The tee shirt ad isn’t bad either.

By Daniel

November 29, 2005 03:55 PM | Link to this

America is not at war. Most Americans don’t give a hoot about Iraq. We have become lazy, fat and weak. If this government believed in the war on terrorism they would mobilize the nation. The well-to-do along with the rest of us would be in the mix. There would be a plan. There would be national focus. In our Declaration of Independence our founding fathers and mothers dedicated their “lives abd wealth, integrity and sacred honor” to the nation’s cause. Not one of our leaders, Democrat and Republican alike, send their children to this war. None of the wealthy are there. We have been betrayed.

By Bryan

November 29, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

Mike, this is embarassing. Please tell me you have something other than the terribly simplistic views of a COMEDIAN to add to the debate. Perhaps you should be listening to a Democratic Leader like Joe Lieberman. **I have just returned from my fourth trip to Iraq in the past 17 months and can report real progress there. More work needs to be done, of course, but the Iraqi people are in reach of a watershed transformation from the primitive, killing tyranny of Saddam to modern, self-governing, self-securing nationhood—unless the great American military that has given them and us this unexpected opportunity is prematurely withdrawn… .

Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal mistake it would be for America’s bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.**

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 04:03 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

This guy has three sons in the military, one that just got back from Iraq

By Ricky

November 29, 2005 04:09 PM | Link to this

The problem with people like Lucko is that he probably believes everything Al Franken wrote.

By MrLiberty

November 29, 2005 04:16 PM | Link to this

They are all politicians - of course you can’t trust them. Republican or Democrat they are all the same. You can’t trust them to uphold the Constitution or their oath to it either.

There is only one take home lesson from all of this, unfortunately nearly no one will get it.

Government is the problem.

They created the terrorist problem by sticking their noses into everyone’s business, they are sucking the life out of our economy through taxation, they are devaluing our money and destroying our futures through the Federal Reserve, and are ultimately responsible for every serious problem plaguing this country.

If we are to retain any freedom, liberty, or fundamental security, we as a country must begin electing candidates who will work to dismantle the welfare-warfare-counterfeiting state that has grown up most significantly since the election of Lincoln. Until the power of the central government is returned to what it was in 1786, we are doomed. Because as Mike has so perfectly pointed out, “you can’t count on them.”

By Dusty

November 29, 2005 04:36 PM | Link to this

Ricky, Lucko believes in getting a pay check. He is putting out exactly what a liberal newspaper wants. He throws in a lot of anti-war stuff and anti-Bush baloney to make it more controversial. He is slightly humorous if you like Middle School level stuff and graffito. So I give him credit. Most scribblers at that level are not getting paid.

By enna0623

November 29, 2005 04:47 PM | Link to this

Al Franken has spoken the true word. I do not trust this government to tell us the truth about anything. If Bush or Cheney say up I will know it is down. They are arrogant but that is not the worst thing about them. They think they can get away with anything and spin it and hide it under a pile of superfluous garbage. And the sad thing is Mr. and Mrs. Joe six pack mainly do not know or care. But I do feel a small groundswell of emotion from people who are finally realizing what has been done to the American people and we did not even get kissed first.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

November 29, 2005 04:54 PM | Link to this

What’s truly sad, and please remember that you read it here first, is that no later than February or March there will be rotations of troops in Iraq made to look troop draw downs. It won’t be because the Iraqi’s will be any more able to “govern themselves�, but because the Republicans will be pressuring the administration to make it look as if it will be safe to vote them back in November. They, the administration, has already started to prepare it’s supporters to flip on this issue by throwing out the number 30,000 reduction foreseen. Uber Republicans will conveniently neglect what they are saying today, as uber Democrats did when the “blue dress� was the constant news point in more peaceful prosperous days gone by.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 05:05 PM | Link to this

Liberal Texas Democrat,

I read that garbage on Harry Reid’s blog two weeks ago. Maybe you shouldn’t add “remember that you read it here first” to your plagiarism.

By Ricky

November 29, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

Liberal Texas Dem, well you are ahead of the learning curve of your fellow Dems. That is exactly what all Dems will say. They won’t admit that maybe progress is being made and that the Iraqi’s can govern themselves. It just proves the point that no matter what, you won’t say Bush has done something good. No matter how well things go over there, there will always be something for you to complain about.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 05:24 PM | Link to this

Liberal Texas Democrat,

Read what your 2000 Vice-Presidential nominee has to say about Iraq

By Erik

November 29, 2005 05:38 PM | Link to this

The only progress possible in Iraq has been done and therefore we should get out as most Iraqis now wish. There will not be a democracy there, only a theocracy and there is nothing we as foreign westerners and do about it. We will not be able to place our belief system on the people there anymore than an occupation of South Carolina would make all the women wear veils. The breakup of this British manufactured “state” is a given once you understand the history. I suggest you read the article ” If America left Iraq” by Nir Rosen in the latest Atlantic. Simple questions and answers by someone who has been there for sixteen months and discussed this subject with numerous people and groups all of which have a lot more to say in the future of that country then we. As far as what the recent Congressional visit produced in the way of opinion, I have little doubt that they saw what they were supposed to see. Not much different than the Intel they were supposed to see some years and many lives ago.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 05:43 PM | Link to this

Erik,

What a pleasant attitude you bring to the discussion.

Thanks for the link to the article you want everyone to read.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

November 29, 2005 05:48 PM | Link to this

“I read that garbage on Harry Reid’s blog two weeks ago. Maybe you shouldn’t add “remember that you read it here firstâ€? to your plagiarism.” You’ve no proof I read that elsewhere so the charge of plagarism is just … so … Republican.

Bill Clinton was the best Republican president this country had, but never once could a Republican admit to that

The idea that, as a liberal” I would never march lock step with Joe Liberman is something I would expect to go over the head of most Republicans.

By Ricky

November 29, 2005 05:50 PM | Link to this

Erik, it seems that you are taking the extreme negative stance on this. Iraq can be a democracy, probably not like ours, but it can happen. It will not be a theocracy because the majority of the Iraqi’s are not devout Muslims. Iraq was one of the most secular nations in the Arab world. Nir Rosen is not a very credible source. He has written many anti-Jewish articles and has been accussed by several journalist in Iraq of working too closely with the insurgents. Here is a nice quote from Rosen. [In August], a few thousand Jewish fanatics who illegally settled on occupied land in Gaza and went on the occasional pogrom, attacking Palestinians whose land they had settled, were given more attention and sympathy by the American media in a week or two than it has given in five years to the Palestinians whose homes have been destroyed, who are not permitted to live as humans, and who inhabit a giant prison.

By Ricky

November 29, 2005 05:53 PM | Link to this

Liberal Texas Dem, you are making that arguement so that when Bush does start pulling out troops you can say that it is all political.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 05:55 PM | Link to this

I guess “liberal texas democrat” is really Joe Biden.

It seems to be a habit

By Steve

November 29, 2005 08:01 PM | Link to this

People like Andy, Dusty and Ricky amuse me when they attack the messenger and not the message. Obviously they lack the intellect for intelligent discourse.

The government has also lied to us about the cost of the Medicare prescription drug program, energy costs, FEMA, and torture. When no WMD’s were found in Iraq, Bush said we were bringing Democracy to the Middle East. Shouldn’t we have started by bringing Democracy to our “allies” such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. Then there’s Israel where they don’t allow the occupied Palestinians to vote. Of course not…then there would be no Israel!!

By Irwin

November 29, 2005 11:48 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why these right wingers keep reading your notes and viewing your editorial cartoons if they are constantly criticizing you. Is it a conspiracy by the right to monitor a person of influence? Is it because they have nothing better to do with their time? Is it because they actually know you are right and are concerned because they are starting to agree with you? I am sure they will take the time to comment on this as well!

By Gordon

November 30, 2005 02:29 AM | Link to this

I thought that GWB was a uniter, not a divider. Just look at the comments above and see how divided we as a nation are. Bush has done more than any president to drive a wedge between the people of this country. We are no longer one nation. We are behaving like packs of wild dogs. I fear we may not see a “United” states again in my lifetime. It’s so sad to see this once great country reduced to this level. That’s all I had to say. Continue bashing your neighbors. Sorry I interupted.

By RW-(the original)

November 30, 2005 02:46 AM | Link to this

Nodrog,

I thought you were Canadian.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 04:53 AM | Link to this

Steve: We have heard all of these tired, false accusations before. If you read something besides the AJC you too might know that they are bogus. So what is left to “attack” besides the “messenger?” This clown stole money from underprivileged children to fund a failed radio program “Air America” because no one would buy advertising for it and they ran out of silly pinkos willing to give up millions for a radio program that no one listens to. Matter of fact, anyone who parrots the sayings of Al Franken is a clown too. You bozos almost have a circus put together.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 04:55 AM | Link to this

RW: I was looking in the wrong thread for the inane pinko comments. I should have known the hardcore would gravitate to the Al Franken discussion…

By Steve

November 30, 2005 05:22 AM | Link to this

Obsessed With Andy:

You prove my point. By speaking/writing using sweeping generalizations, you lose any credibility you hope to gain. You sound just like the pathetic administration you seem to support.

You are probably too young to remember the Viet Nam conflict. With all that war’s faults, at least there was a draft. This administration would collapse on itself if it implemented a draft. Then all you right wing-nuts would suddenly enroll in college or seek some other deferment like all your leaders did back then. I served in their place.

By Obsessed With Andy

November 30, 2005 06:11 AM | Link to this

Stevie: Speaking of sweeping generalizations: You can’t count on them to count terrorist attacks. How hard is it to count to zero? Do we have to do everything for you pinkos? Just because you are easily led doesn’t mean that I have to deal with your silly false accusations. If you want to debate nonsense, look elsewhere.

By Steve

November 30, 2005 07:11 AM | Link to this

I don’t have to say anything after the mindless postings of “Obsessed With Andy”. He/she reinforces why this administration differs little from the Axis leaders of the 1930’s & 40’s. It is easy to understand why he/she (?) debates in writing rather than orally. It is well known that mouth-breathers cannot talk and breathe at the same time.

By Cal Neff

November 30, 2005 08:27 AM | Link to this

Al Franken has once again proven why his “Air America” is such a tremendous success. Of course Al would never lie, but he would steal from the Boy’s Clubs and Girl’s Clubs to finance his wonderful truth factory. Geeez! Get a grip, you bleeping hearts!

By Stan Dansby

December 5, 2005 08:35 PM | Link to this

Good ole boy Al showing his intellengence again. By the time is is physically 75 he may mentally become 3.

By former ajc subscriber

December 8, 2005 08:15 PM | Link to this

Are you suprised why your paper is losing readers!

 

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