Mike Luckovich

By candide

November 25, 2005 08:17 AM | Link to this

As an institution unique for its hypocrisy, pharisaism, legalism, and pure machiavellianism the Catholic Church has outdone itself with its new policy on gay ordinands.

If gays are not allowed to be priest, who will? They don’t wan’t women, they don’t want men who want to marry. There is no one left but gays. That’s why probably at least 60% of all current clergy are gay. No gays, no priests. Perhaps this is the providential way of finally getting rid of this evil institution.

ECRASONS L’INFAME!

By candide

November 25, 2005 08:19 AM | Link to this

Oh, I forgot. HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE.

By Robert

November 25, 2005 09:09 AM | Link to this

Reminds me of the cartoon I once saw that pictured a vested procession lead by a priest with lighted incense. A member of the congregation was remarking to another, “Oh, Mary, love the gown, but her purse is on fire.”

By David

November 25, 2005 11:12 AM | Link to this

I have known many priests in my 50+ years as a Catholic, and I can say without hesitation that some of the finest have been gay. They seem to have a natural gift for empathy—-maybe heightened by the “outsider” viewpoint that gays feel from an early age. And despite what their detractors would like to believe, the vast majority of them are committed to serving humanity through the charism of celibacy. The sad thing about the tradition of Catholicism is that it has evolved no mechanism for admitting when it’s wrong. And admitting it when you’re wrong is ESSENTIAL if you want to follow the teachings of Jesus.

By candide

November 25, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this

David: Bush also cannot admit he is wrong and as a result two thousand have died and many more Americans have been maimed, not to mention the dead and maimed Iraqis.

Although Jesus seems to have taught self-criticism these Christians don’t seem to have got the message.

By The Real Andy

November 25, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

Gays have no place in America, much less the church. You pinkos love your gay people WAY too much. Real Americans and real conservatives will not and will never tolerate gays.

By buff

November 25, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

Why does Looney-Tooney-Lucko NEVER attack the left? These always attcking conservatism cartoon from the man who says he is an “Indepedent.”

By Disgusted

November 25, 2005 11:46 AM | Link to this

“Real Andy”: For weeks I’ve been lurking, and this final post (at least final for ME), is the last I will ever read from you.

“Real Americans” will not tolerate gays? Really? How dare you speak for an entire country? Where does it say ANYWHERE that we will not tolerate gays. “Real Conservatives” like Cheney have GAY children- are you speaking for him as well?

I’ve laughed at your paranoid ridiculous “pinko” comments for a while. However, with this typical diatribe from your apparently homophobic, myopic, narrowminded little pea of a brain, you’ve shown your true colors.

Call us back when you become a “REAL HUMAN BEING.”

I am sure you are also a misogynist, and believe that the repeal of miscegenation laws have ruined this country.

And don’t call me a PINKO-you know nothing about my politics.

Thanks-you’ve cured me from reading this blog or any other blog for a while.

By candide

November 25, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this

Real Andy’s comments about gays and pinkos indicate that he is mentally disturbed, probably secretly homoerotic. He finds pinkos especially attractive sexually, so long as they are gay.

By RW-(the original)

November 25, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this

Disgusted,

Calm down a little, if you have been lurking here as much as you say, you have probably noticed some shenanigans that go on here.

People have a knack for using Andy’s nic to post disgusting (no offense to your nic) things.

I seriously doubt that post you are referencing was submitted by Andy.

By Al Davis

November 25, 2005 12:18 PM | Link to this

Real Andy is the type of “conservative” that gives the rest the reputation of unthinking, ignorant, shills for the Rush Limbaughs and Hannitys of the world. Maybe Bush will send his attack dogs after Andy before he gives Republicans too much bad publicity.

By candide

November 25, 2005 12:20 PM | Link to this

Andy is totally representative of the Right: piously hypoocritical, sexually repressed and repressing, fascistically inclined, and falsely patriotic.

By Psychologist

November 25, 2005 12:24 PM | Link to this

Andy has alot more issues than that.

By getalife

November 25, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this

They say that imitation is the sincerest? form of flattery. If you look and see who is posting, you maybe able to tell who is imitating.

By Harold

November 25, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

That last post by “The Real Andy” was probably done by you candide…

By finch

November 25, 2005 01:20 PM | Link to this

It’s so VERY clear that a fair number of posts here (like those by “The Real Andy”) are done by anonymous delinquents. To me, they’re much more amusing than irritating.

And Mike’s cartoon is downright funny!

By Erik

November 25, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this

Hmmm, all this talk of gays. There is said often a degree of overcompensation to act straight. I have no idea, but it raises an issue. I’ll bet that Andy is really a closet liberal ! Yes,indeed. Why I’ll beat he has posters of Eugene McCarthy and YES, George McGovern in his basement. There are magazine articles about Hillary scattered about in the bathroom. Andy, don’t worry there are numerous support groups for closet pinkos. Just dial 1-800-GET-SANE. Donations and old pink shirts readily accepted.

By If Only!

November 25, 2005 03:36 PM | Link to this

Candide:

What, if anything, does gays as priests in the Catholic Church have to do with George Bush? How much of your daily life do you spend in contempt of this man? Although many think that Andy’s rants are insane, I find them entertaining as well as baiting and when it comes to you and several others in this blog, he is very succesful with his ability to bait. I believe that is his objective. Congratulations Andy, successful once again. By the way, my opinion of the gay population is based on their contributions as individuals just as with anyone else I encounter in life.

By The Real Andy

November 25, 2005 04:47 PM | Link to this

I like this. A pinko posts under my name and you libs get all bent-

Gays have no place in America, much less the church. You pinkos love your gay people WAY too much. Real Americans and real conservatives will not and will never tolerate gays.

I really don’t understand how an immature post like this could be confused with anything I would author. Are you libs really that gullible?

If I was going to comment on this cartoon my post would resemble this one- God put you on this Earth as a free person. You are able to make your own choices in this life. Our Creator does not want to have a kingdom full of robots, you must decide to either love Him or deny Him. I’m not sure how He feels about being mocked but that is between cartoon boy and his Maker.

Whatever clown pinko is posting under my name has neither the maturity or the common sense to come up with anything this sophisticated. It should serve as a guide for y’all in the future when you see a post under my name. Unless you like to fight among yourselves.

By The Real Andy

November 25, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

While we are at it here are a few more that I did not write but yet are in my name-

By The Real Andy

November 25, 2005 01:35 AM | Link to this

I’d have to say that my Thanksgiving was perfect, probably because there were no pinkos and no colored or gay people around.

And this-

By The Real Andy

November 25, 2005 01:30 AM | Link to this

trueconservative: If you can’t afford healthcare, then you shouldn’t have it. Too bad for you (or them). That’s the free market at work. Pinkos have to realize that some (like me) are better off than others (like poor people without health insurance) and it will always be that way and it extends to everything, even healthcare. Healthcare isn’t cheap and shouldn’t be free, sorry folks, some of you are just out of luck. You get what you PAY for. It is not a right.

One of you libs has got some serious mental issues. Is this how y’all want to conduct this blog, just make up the other side’s argument and then have everybody m-asturbate over how much better you are than the Conservatives? It sounds like a lot of fun for you “intellects,” if I’m interfering in your joy just let me know; I’ll leave you with your straw man.

By leighway

November 25, 2005 06:00 PM | Link to this

I agree with disgusted that it’s getting tiresome to read some of the immature posts and I agree with David regarding many years as a Catholic and having known many fine gay priest who certainly were not pedophiles. My comment has to do with the fact that this might have been a decent blog site with persons intelligent enough to read Mike commenting on the different sides of an issue. Instead, it seems to be a blog modeled after “food fight” in Animal House. It’s too tiresome to try to weed through the name calling and silly, sophomoric jibes to bother with. Shame.

By beverly

November 25, 2005 07:38 PM | Link to this

Would a gay priest read this part of the Bible to his congregation:

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is an abomination

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

How can people who believe in the true Living God, not believe that homosexual activity is Sin. God said it is an abomination! God destroyed Sodom, because of vile sexual behavior!

By Gene

November 25, 2005 07:47 PM | Link to this

Ah - thank God for perspective. If only the institutional Catholic church leaders could step out of their closed-lid boxes for a moment and allow the wind (generated by the flapping of the wings of the Holy Spirit, I believe) whisk away some of the iced-over webs of their imprisoning blind-guiding documents, real communities of inclusion rather than rock islands of isolated exclusion may actually begin to rise (“That they might all be one….”)from dead bones and create a whirlwind of life around the Lord of the Dance. Thanks, again, Mike for the great perspective of Humor. It’s a window of saving grace.

By beverly

November 25, 2005 07:48 PM | Link to this

Romans 1:24-32:

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

By Smug Canadian

November 25, 2005 09:28 PM | Link to this

Hey Catholic church!! Stop hating on people.

By TrueConservative

November 25, 2005 10:51 PM | Link to this

I love it when ‘Christians’ try to use the bible to justify their own hate and prejudice. Funny how they never seem to quote Jesus Christ- 37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Luke 6;37

7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. John 8:7

41And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Luke 6;41

Your hate is yours so stop trying to sell this crap about Jesus supporting war or the death penalty or hating homosexuals or generally supporting your peronal aganda. That is called Blasphemy

By Ray B

November 26, 2005 10:32 AM | Link to this

The only hate I see here is from Luckovich himself…..a man who apparently takes great pleasure is ridiculing those he disagrees with. The Catholic Church, as Jesus Christ’s one and only authoritative body on matters of faith, speaks only the truth. If individuals choose to ignore that truth, that is their sad choice. However, just because you choose not to believe does not make the message hateful. If modern society chooses to revel in the sin of homosexuality, so be it. All I can do, as a Catholic, is proclaim the truth and pray for the awakening and salvation of those who choose sin, ridicule, and hatred over reconciliation and forgiveness.

By leighway

November 26, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this

For Ray B. I, too, was educated into the elite “truth” of the Catholic Church being the “one and only authoritative body on matters of faith,speaks only the truth.” Then I began to notice that’s what they all say and if you could begin to chip away at the concrete cast enclosing your mind and spirit, you might begin to see that the suicide bombers all carry that same belief along with their package of death. WHEN ONE GROUP PROCLAIMS THEY’RE THE ONE, THEY’VE JUST EXCLUDED ALL THE REST AND THAT’S WHEN THE MURDERS START. You better pray that the Holy Spirit (I liked Ghost better!) opens the eyes of all the lemmings in the world who want to sweep those who are different in front of them as they careen to the cliff. God help us all!

By The Real Andy

November 26, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

Nicely said, Ray B. I might add that the little rebellious things people do in 80 years of earthly life are not worth risking eternal life for. Keep the Faith.

By Jesus

November 26, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By beverly

November 26, 2005 02:07 PM | Link to this

LET ME REPEAT THIS FOR THE THIRD TIME:

JESUS SAID - “LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU!”

THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS STATEMENT ABOUT MURDER OR HATE!

By beverly

November 26, 2005 02:11 PM | Link to this

IT’S FUNNY HOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER READ THE BIBLE ARE EXPERTS ON JESUS!

By Ray B

November 26, 2005 02:29 PM | Link to this

Dear leighway,

If you do not believe your faith to be true, then why proclaim it? I would be a hypocrite to go to church each week if I did not believe it to be true. It is sad that you compare the false faith of the terrorists….one that proclaims that death, destruction, and mayhem will earn you a place in heaven….with the true faith of Christ our Lord.
There is only one path to heaven….you apparently reject that message due to misinformation/ignorance/pluralism/political correctness/secularism/etc. However, just because today’s society wants to convince us that “faith should be up to the individual…aka define your own morals” or “no one faith is better then another” does not change the eternal, TRUE, message of salvation as proclaimed by Jesus Christ and protected in truth by HIS Holy, Catholic Church….the body of Christ on Earth.

By Ray B

November 26, 2005 02:41 PM | Link to this

Dear TrueConservative,

You’ll also note that Jesus, while condeming and judging none, was also firm on repentance. When confronted with the adulteress woman, He did not ignore her sin. He said: Woman, wher are they? Has no one condemned you? She replied, “No one, sir.” Then Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, and from now on do not sin any more.” John 8: 10-11. So you see, pointing out the sins of the world (for example, homosexuality) does not indicate judgement. It is simply recognizing sin. Only those who do not want to hear (or reject) the message would label that judging. According to Christ, it is out of love that we point out the sins of the world…so that people may repent, sin no more, and achieve salvation.

By This Justin

November 26, 2005 03:09 PM | Link to this

Yes, right on brother Ray! Its not like Jesus ever said he who is without sin cast the first stone.

BTW Ray what are your sins? Remember, its out of love that I ask. And beverly, how bout you, we can have a big sin help praise-a-thon. Don’t worry there are plenty of sins for all, even weird obscure sins we have chosen to ignore, like divorce.

Fess up.

By leighway

November 26, 2005 03:30 PM | Link to this

The best piece of advice I ever received was, “don’t argue with ignorance.”

By This Justin

November 26, 2005 03:49 PM | Link to this

How about you leighway? Do you ever have non-missionary style sex? Have you ever used birth control? Did you have a marraige magically disappear by the church? Poof. Remember, I ask out of love.

By The Real Andy

November 26, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

ThisJustIn: For what reason do you take the scripture you quote out of context? Have you not read the whole chapter? Does just a tiny fraction of the Word serve your purpose? Jesus said that to a group of men who wanted to stone the woman, he was not speaking to the world.

What is with these pinkos and the truth? Are their ideas that weak that they can’t stand up to reason? They make up enemies, the lie about everything and they have no shame but to twist the Word of the Lord.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 04:20 PM | Link to this

Andy, did you wish Mike a Happy Thanksgiving?

By Ray B

November 26, 2005 04:28 PM | Link to this

Dear Justin, I have plenty of sin in my life. At imes, too many to count. However, I thank God that I have His Church, and the Godly leaders of His Chirch to point out my sin so that I can know my faults, make ammends, and prepare for eternal glory. It would indeed be frightening if I (and the world) didn’t have a definitive definition of sin….plodding through life unsure of right and wrong….unsure of what to do to achieve salvation. Please….do point out my sin (as properly defined by the Church….not as made up by Justin). I want to know the true path…I do not want to live in ignorance.

By beverly

November 26, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

I love God and I love all of you. I will pray for each of you.

But now,it is time for me to shake off the dust from my feet. For those who know the scripture, you know what I talking about.

As for this cartoon….I urge you to read Matthew 24, maybe you’ll gain some insight as to what is going on in the world today and what is going to occur in the future.

God bless you all.

By This Justin

November 26, 2005 05:11 PM | Link to this

Luckovich should have had the priest in a military fatigue type priest outfit, then have the priest ask “is this too straight looking?” As if the gay priest is trying to “butch it up” some so he can keep his job.

You christians love your war a bit too much.

By Ray B

November 26, 2005 09:31 PM | Link to this

Dear Justin,

I have no idea what you are referring to. As a Catholic, I oppose violence and warfare. Jesus taught a message of peace and love of neighbor. I attempt to live my life accordingly. To throw out such an accusation is misguided as it does not represent the viewpoints of those who follow Christ’s teachings.

By Ray B

November 26, 2005 09:38 PM | Link to this

Dear Beverly,

Matthew 24…God Bless You. If only the secularists and Christian-haters of the world would read this….I think they would feel as if they were looking in a mirror. As it is, for those who believe in Christ, this is our roadmap. We know we will be persecuted for proclaiming the Gospel of Christ. The lost of the world will revel in their sin, lambasting those who attempt to point the road to salvation. Once again, all I can do is live my life appropriately, speak the truth to those that will hear, shake the dust from my feet from those who will not hear, and pray for us all. God Bless….

By Ray B

November 26, 2005 09:41 PM | Link to this

Dear Mr. Luckovich,

As a final prayer, I pray for your lost and perverse soul. Woe is he who does not believe. Woe is he who does not believe and ridicules those who do. You will have much to answer for someday, sir. I will pray for you.

By TrueConservative

November 27, 2005 12:53 AM | Link to this

Actually guys your whole argument for Homosexuality being a sin in the first place is pretty weak- Jesus never even speaks of homosexuality for which there is no Ancient Greek word. In fact there is nothing to even suggest any concept of ‘homosexuality’ anywhere in the classical world- sex was just sex.

the entire basis for this argument in the new testiment comes from Paul (who routinely speaks in favor of slavery and the opression of women) and the book of Timothy- but the term they both use is “arsenokoitai” It comes from the Greek words “arseno” which means “male,” and “koitai” which means “beds.” The latter was a common euphemism for a person who has sex. So, arsenokoitai is a “male-bedder.”

The word is often translated in English versions of the Bible as “homosexual.” That is, a men or women who are sexually attracted only to persons of the same sex. This is likely not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey, since the idea of sexual orientation only surfaced in the 19th century after human sexuality started to be scientifically studied. Most translations of Timothy 1 and Corinthians 1 translate ‘for them that defile themselves with mankind’ which is something alltogether diferent from ‘homosexual’

so as I said- your hate is your own. just because you have more recent translation of the bible that says ‘Homosexual’ doesnt change the fact that no such concept existed when the book was written and it certainly doesnt condone the hate and violence directed toward the gay community. I hope some of you read this and realize that people have changed the scriptures to suit their own twisted desires for the entire history of the church, and that focusing on things like what is and isnt sin or proper doctrine dilutes and corrupts the real message of the bible.

34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13; 33-34

By TrueConservative

November 27, 2005 12:56 AM | Link to this

thats weird-“arsenokoitai” is the word I wrote… does this thing censor Ancient Greek???

By TrueConservative

November 27, 2005 12:59 AM | Link to this

ok then “arsnk*itai” fill in the *’s with an e and 2 o’s

By Ricky

November 27, 2005 09:30 AM | Link to this

Glad to see that Lucko has joined the lefty bashing of the Catholic Church.

By Ray B

November 28, 2005 10:30 AM | Link to this

Dear TrueConservative,

Pointing out sin is not hate. Also, if you are aware of anything at all about Catholicism, you should be aware that we believe devine revelation comes from three sources….Holy Scripture, Church Tradition, and Church Authority (the Magesterium). In this regard, a proclamtion of the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, is as binding as anything in the Bible. Therefore, when the Church says “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.” This is as good as if it were in the Bible. However, once again, pointing out this sin is NOT hate. I struggle with various grave sins in my life…I am grateful that the church points those sins out to me. They do not do so out of hate but out of compassion for my eternal soul, and for that, I am eternally thankful to God for His precious Church.

By Wilma Lamb

November 28, 2005 11:25 AM | Link to this

ladybug1@carrolls web.com I am completely turned off the Catholic Church. I used to envy my Catholic friends who were so happy after church but the way the Catholic hierarchy is so against all other sins yet hides gay priests who molest alter boys and usually ruin their life is intolerable and deserves condemntion not the fawning attention from the religious who courts them for their votes and big money donations Wilma Lamb

By Rev. Owen Loftus

December 1, 2005 04:25 PM | Link to this

Anglican Clergy, particularly those in the U. S. “Continuing Churches” take note, particularly those of Fond-of-Lace! lol

By Bosnian

December 1, 2005 11:56 PM | Link to this

Faith and reason were never separated. Teaching is based on your heart, your conviction and your mind. The mind is showing us the way. Your heart is giving the light. You are not going to fallow the way if you have no light, you don’t know where to go if your mind is not showing the way, and you are going to be lost. There is only one way to approach the subject. We must supply us with an accurate account as possible of established knowledge, and than proceed to an unbiased, logical comparison with the teaching of scriptures possessed by each of the Three monotheistic religions.