Mike Luckovich

By TS

November 25, 2005 11:28 PM | Link to this

Sort of lame :)

By MikeHatesAmerica

November 25, 2005 11:37 PM | Link to this

Yeah, yeah Mike. We already know that you hate America. No need to beat a dead horse.

By Maria

November 26, 2005 12:08 AM | Link to this

Yes! GW and his admin think they rule the world…with whips and chains, if left up to Cheney. Good job, Mike. Guess what? The world will rebel, and thank GOD, are already. And so are an ever-increasing number of the American people. Thank you , Mike.

By Robert

November 26, 2005 12:22 AM | Link to this

As usual, Mike Looney-vich criticizes America for engaging in “torture-lite,” let fails to see the real torture carried out every day by Islamic militants. Believe me, if anyone had a choice between Guantanamo and being held by Islamic militants, they would choose Guantanamo any day. Unless they wanted to be beheaded, of course.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 12:23 AM | Link to this

ml may have just been inducted into the moonbat hall of fame.

I’m impressed ml, your type is usually satisfied just to blame America first, you’ve decided to go all the way and blame America exclusively.

Your pathetic leftist scribblings are at least mildly amusing on occasion, this time you have graphically shown your true hatred for our, and maybe your, country.

I think you need to redraw your “Statue of Liberty weeps” cartoon, so you can show how that was all our fault too.

By Robert

November 26, 2005 12:23 AM | Link to this

Mike L once again disrepects America, while ignoring the tortures employed by Islamic radicals.

By Tex

November 26, 2005 12:28 AM | Link to this

Another good one, Mike L! Watch the little Neo-Nazis squeal as we observe the totality of the Bush Scum unravel before the world stage. They need be exterminated.

By Duke

November 26, 2005 12:34 AM | Link to this

Right you are, Tex. See gutterscum like RW and friends. Nothing more than insects. And nothing less. The truly gutless in our country’s midst. Let us be done with them.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 12:47 AM | Link to this

Gutterscum? as in Lord Gutterscum?

By Pinko Liberal

November 26, 2005 08:18 AM | Link to this

By wingnut logic, since Islamic radicals use torture so can we. Maybe we should look into flying planes into their buildings or maybe take a few hostages and behead them. The idea is to be better than them. It seems that wingnuts want a torture policy AND theocracy for America. Then we’ll be just like the Islamic radicals they claim to hate. Looks like the wingnuts are the ones who hate America.

By Dusty

November 26, 2005 08:50 AM | Link to this

Now we see who loves America and who doesn’t. The hate displayed in this cartoon is dismal, anti-American, anti-war, and anti-troops. It is Luckovich’s biggest lie yet. He is a disgrace. His cartoons show just how much he dislikes this country. And right after Thanksgiving. I hope he plans to leave Atlanta and spend Christmas with Candide in France. Anywhere but here.

By James Holloway

November 26, 2005 08:59 AM | Link to this

My Gosh ML. This bilge is just disgusting. I think it would be insightful (if not sad) to see in a cartoon what you are grateful for as an American. Happy Thanksgiving!

JH

By getalife

November 26, 2005 09:09 AM | Link to this

See what happens when I was the only one to wish Mike a Happy Thanksgiving.

By Eric

November 26, 2005 09:11 AM | Link to this

Excellent commentary. What a shame that our so-called leaders have done so much to diminish our standing in the world. This drawing should be posted on billboards nationwide until the public rises up and demands the impeachment of Bush and company. Thank you Mike for having the courage and integrity to speak the truth and practice tough love. Your detractors claim to love their country but in truth, they only love their ideaology and their political party. Sad.

By beverly

November 26, 2005 09:14 AM | Link to this

I pray our young men and women will not take your cartoons seriously, because if they do, Patriotic American will be a thing of the past. The next generation will not be willing to fight for our Country. We will not be the America of Freedoms we are today. And guess what Mike, you won’t have the freedom you do now to write, draw, and publish your anit-American cartoons. You might even be beheaded!

By gttim

November 26, 2005 09:26 AM | Link to this

“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.”

—Thomas Jefferson

“A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither”

—Thomas Jefferson

“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism”

—Thomas Jefferson

Why do Dusty, James and Beverly hate our founding fathers?

By Eric

November 26, 2005 09:26 AM | Link to this

You don’t even know the meaning of Anti-American you dumb b—-ch. America is supposed to set the standard. America is supposed to be better than our enemies, not equal to or worse than. That’s what Mike is pointing out in his drawing. Get a clue.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this

Andy, did you change your name to beverly?

By Dusty

November 26, 2005 09:54 AM | Link to this

Thomas Jefferson was a great president and leader. He loved and help found this country. He never meant by dissent, some hate filled dribbling propaganda. He meant something thoughtful that would be helpful. Helping our enemies is what Luckovich and his following of other anti-Americans are doing. Jefferson and the early founders established a great and free country. They thought this was a haven for truth, not hate. Now we have the traitors using our freedoms to tear our country apart. That is not patriotic. It is not helpful. It is totally against the welfare of America.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:06 AM | Link to this

Twisting Thomas Jefferson’s words to show that Mike is not patriotic is very funny. I called TBS.

By The Real Andy

November 26, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

Pinkos and terrorists are one in the same. If you can’t get on board with this President, then you deserve the treatment depicted in the cartoon. However, cartoon boy, this one is disgusting. We don’t torture unless provoked.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:30 AM | Link to this

I guess the world provoked us?

By Frank

November 26, 2005 10:32 AM | Link to this

If our democracy is to flourish, it must have criticism; if our government is to function it must have dissent. Henry Commager (1902 - )

In a democracy dissent is an act of faith. Like medicine, the test of its value is not in its taste, but in its effects.

J. William Fulbright (1905 - )

Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.

Justice Louis D. Brandeis, dissenting, Olmstead v. United States, 277 US 479 (1928)

The ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas [and] the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market.

Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. (1841 - 1935), (dissent, Abrams v. United States, 1919)

In a democracy dissent is an act of faith. Like medicine, the test of its value is not in its taste, but in its effects.

J. W. Fulbright

We must dare to think “unthinkable” thoughts. We must learn to explore all the options and possibilities that confront us in a complex and rapidly changing world. We must learn to welcome and not to fear the voices of dissent. We must dare to think about “unthinkable things” because when things become unthinkable, thinking stops and action becomes mindless.

James W. Fulbright, March 27, 1964

By M.

November 26, 2005 10:35 AM | Link to this

Good one Mike.Just keep putting the left wing position on display.As best I can tell it’s “I hate my country unless my guys are in charge”.

By Eric

November 26, 2005 10:40 AM | Link to this

Is that M as in Moron?

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:41 AM | Link to this

M., Have you seen his Clinton cartoons?

By LEOLA POST

November 26, 2005 10:50 AM | Link to this

Is the GOP tired yet of constantly going on the offensive to counteract logic??? The president lied plain and simple He brought us into a no win war and is personally responsible for a lot of suffering and lives lost. I love the soldiers but can truly love them and still knwo they are dying for no noble cause. That thier lives are wasted on one idiots hubris and he will never admit he lied to us he bamboozled us. And if you play previous tapes leading up to our invasion, neither he, nor Rumsfeld, nor Cheney could even say WMD without smirking.Wake up America. The patriots have minds.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:50 AM | Link to this

M., Look at the left side of the post and click on mike attends clinton conference.

By The Real Andy

November 26, 2005 11:25 AM | Link to this

I’m starting to see some patterns develop here. This pinko posts in my name from 10:00 am at the earliest to 1:30 am late night. This is typical of someone who is coming home from the singles bar empty handed or maybe running out of money at the strip club-

November 26, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

Pinkos and terrorists are one in the same. If you can’t get on board with this President, then you deserve the treatment depicted in the cartoon. However, cartoon boy, this one is disgusting. We don’t torture unless provoked.

The total lack of maturity is still apparent so at least they are consistent. To show you the difference between me and a the clown who can only wish he/ she were me, I would have posted this-

It would be one thing if Americans actually did torture terrorists or Iraqis demonstrated against the Coalition presence but they don’t. It should tell you something that the pinkos have to make up things to use against America, their hated enemy. Maybe because they really don’t have anything?

Now see, what did I tell you about style and sophistication. Doesn’t it just permeate my throughout my posts? Don’t be so gullible when you hear from fake Andy!

By Dusty

November 26, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

Bush did not lie. Tony Blair did not lie. Colin Powell did not lie. But insignificant little Luckovich has drawn one scrawny cartoon lie. If you like this cartoon, then don’t lie and say you appreciate being an American. Everyone will know that YOU are a liar.

By Talon News

November 26, 2005 11:57 AM | Link to this

Could Mike be guilty of plagerism? This catoon “America against the world,” looks exactly like one of the photos from my website. I HATE the liberal media.

Jeff O~O

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe all the moonbats trying to say this is just another “Bush tortures” cartoon.

The torturer/executioner in this picture is drawn as just the USA, not Bush or Cheney, and there is a huge mass grave piling up on the left.

Let me throw this question out to all the posters using “dissent is patriotic” quotes.

Do you think these people might have meant honest dissent? And do you know the difference between dissent and sedition?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this

Frank,

Since you seem quite fond of James William Fulbright, what do think about this quote?:

It was not just Communist strongmen who were hostile to RFE. In the early 1970s, Senator J.W. Fulbright led a coalition of isolationists in a campaign to kill off both Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty. The United States, the Arkansas Democrat argued, should jettison these “relics of the Cold War” and accept that domination by Moscow was Eastern Europe’s destiny

FULL ARTICLE

He felt so strongly about dissent that he led the fight to shut down Radio Free Europe. He was also a segregationist, but I guess we can save that for a “Republicans are intolerant” cartoon from ml.

By beverly

November 26, 2005 12:17 PM | Link to this

I don’t hate our Founders! Nor do I hate God!!!! I believe in Jesus and I try to be a ‘doer of the Word’. Jesus says to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. So, I pray for you; those who have hatred in their hearts, and use vile language, and point fingers of blame. I pray you will one day know the love of Jesus and be set free!

By beverly

November 26, 2005 12:42 PM | Link to this

Here’s a quote for you:

May the God of Hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him. Romans 15:13

GEORGIA 1887: To perpetuate the principles of free government, insure justice to all, preserve peace, promote the interest and happiness of the citizen, and transmit to posterity the enjoyment of liberty, we, the people of Georgia, relying upon the protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution!

When did the Atheist first start the argument of separation of church and state; does anybody now? Was it about 40 years ago? I know this is off the subject, but I was reading the preambles of our State Constitutions and EVERY State mentions the Almighty God, the Creator, the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, etc.

By buff

November 26, 2005 12:47 PM | Link to this

This catoon is offensive in nature, plus inaccurate. It is obvious that Looney-Tooney Lucko is just trying to anger conservatives. His predictable biases are just tiring.

By buff

November 26, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

RW, I do think that the American leftists hate Bush more than they love the USA

By gadem

November 26, 2005 12:51 PM | Link to this

beverly, you are so right! but just because someone says they are a christian, does not mean that you follow them. Actions speaks louder that word, and to be honest with you, the actions of Dubya and his followers are not Christ-like in the least bit too me. Christ did not go and start wars or battles, and if he did please quote me those passages from the New Testament

And I bid you farewll…

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

buff,

I think they hate anything more than they love the USA.

It’s just a matter of time until they turn Saddam into a Che like folk hero.

By Tex

November 26, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this

BEVERLY: I see that you are…”praying.” Exactly what Pig God is it that you and your ilk pray to???

By beverly

November 26, 2005 01:18 PM | Link to this

Hi Tex,

I know where you are coming from, because I used to be the same way. Thinking this “God-thing” wasn’t real. But, I know now that Jesus is real, Tex. That is why, Christians (who have a relationship with God) will go through persecution, torture, being burned alive, whatever, before they will deny Jesus. Because we know he is REAL. And after this life on earth, we are either going to live with God or with Satan! God gave us the will to choose.

I pray for you Tex, that you will get curious enough to know if God is real and ask him to reveal himself to you. He will come into your heart and remove the doubt and hate and fill you will a peace and joy that nothing or noone on this earth can take away. IT IS AN AWESOME EXPERIENCE (knowing God) AND I PRAY THAT YOU WILL KNOW HIM! MAY GOD BLESS YOU!

By beverly

November 26, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

I agree gadem. As the Bible say, we should be doers of the Word. But the Bible also tell us that what has already been determined will come to pass. We look at the weather forecast to find out the weather for future days…..The Bible is the forecast for the future of this world. When your eyes are open to the truth, you see what is happening. And Jesus tells us when we see these things, (wars, famine, earthquakes in diver places, pestilence, natural disasters, etc.) do not be afraid because he is with us and will take care of us. Fact is, based on the Forecast for the Future (the Holy Bible) the war in Iraq had to occur. And, Iraq will be rebuilt and be a world power! Read the Bible, but before you start reading, ask God to reveal his truth to you. He will, so get ready for an eye-opener and a change in your heart!

By This Justin

November 26, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this

Right on beverly! The rest of you sinners make me sick. The next thing you know we will start letting our murdering soldiers in to church. Just remember, THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!!!!!!, and NO GAY SEX!!!!!! I PRAY for you.

Jesus hates war. GOD BLESS.

By buff

November 26, 2005 01:46 PM | Link to this

RW, Cindy Sheehan calls the Iraqi terrorists/insurgents, “freedom fighers.” Those Islamo-fascists culturally inferior animals are certainly not for freedom. And as for the left: “There is nothing on god’s green Earth more mean, vicious, and dangerous than an angry, activist leftist.”

By Dusty

November 26, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

Maybe Luckovich is trying to replace Cindy Sheehan and be the icon for angry, activist leftists. Sheehan lost her son. Luckovich lost his honor. I have lost respect for both of them.

By buff

November 26, 2005 02:08 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I agree w/ you. Lucko has disgraced himself, our nation, and even the left, with this ‘toon. I find it despicable! A word I rarely use

By Oh The Humanity

November 26, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this

The liberal media is coming!

The liberal media is coming!

Oh the humanity!

By NeoReo

November 26, 2005 02:30 PM | Link to this

You people in Atlanta need to unite and get the wimpy cartoonist removed. He is damaging our country through innuendo, falsehoods, and does not deserve the precious rights he abuses to live in this country

By buff

November 26, 2005 03:05 PM | Link to this

“The liberal media is coming?” Sheesh, it has been here for over fifty years.

By Mara

November 26, 2005 03:32 PM | Link to this

beverly asked “When did the Atheist first start the argument of separation of church and state; does anybody now? Was it about 40 years ago? No, beverly. It was just shortly after America won it’s War of Independance. Our (imo)greatest founding father made a point that this would be a country respectful of (all) religions but neither dependant on nor dictated by any particular religion. As for the “wall of seperation” read for yourself what Jefferson wrote to one particular Baptists who was concerned that his particular flavor of Christianity might, in time, be oppressed.

“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.

“We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.” —Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Virginia Baptists, 1808.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 03:34 PM | Link to this

beverly, are you that rather large woman who went off on trading spouses?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 03:50 PM | Link to this

buff, despicable is a Daffy Duck word.

By Mara

November 26, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

HA! That “God Warrior” woman? She’s the type of “christian” that scares the bejeesus outta me.
Though I did wonder at the time if she was channeling Darth Vader with her diatribe about the “dark side”… what a maroon!

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

She scared me too. I hope that all religious people are not like her.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this

[I knew this was coming.(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051126/aponremiea/iran_us)

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this

I knew this was coming.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this

ohnoyoudidnt,

Missed it by “]” that much.

/maxwell smart off

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 04:53 PM | Link to this

there, what a pain.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this

Is that angel dust you are referring to?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 05:08 PM | Link to this

beverly, please forgive me for I am a drunkard.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 05:09 PM | Link to this

Maxwell Smart: Missed it by that much.

That guy and that your link missed by ], the first time. Only funny if you ever saw the show I linked.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 05:15 PM | Link to this

I saw it , very funny, but not as funny as beverly.

By Smug Canadian

November 26, 2005 05:24 PM | Link to this

I love Americans, you guys are funny. Keep it up.

By Midori

November 26, 2005 05:24 PM | Link to this

Getalife — you bloody ROCK!!!

I just love your responses :)

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 05:28 PM | Link to this

Why so smug?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 05:32 PM | Link to this

Crown Royal Rocks!

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 05:38 PM | Link to this

oooh, getalife has a girlfriend, boyfriend, etc..?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 05:47 PM | Link to this

Getalife — you bloody ROCK!!!

I just love your responses :)

English woman?

By Fake Andy

November 26, 2005 06:01 PM | Link to this

Just a thought, I would like to know how many other countries of the “world” actually even care if we did torture our prisoners. Let’s just use the Frenchies for example, them being the lib’s favorite; didn’t they accept bribes and oil money from Saddam while he was sawing his prisoner’s hands off or feeding them into wood chippers feet first? I would say that you could cross them off the concerned list.

What about Castro? Do the pinkos not swoon when they think of Cuba? Anybody want to tell me that Castro doesn’t torture or kill his political enemies? Or drown them in the ocean?

I don’t bring this up to justify the U.S. using torture, which is an absurd idea anyway. If you kook libs think we have iron maidens set up at all of our prisons, you need to step outside and breathe some fresh air. And don’t tell me that some urine on their Korans is abuse; you libs did worse than that with yesterday’s cartoon. No, I think this obsession is a sign of something deeper, much more than looking sweet in the eyes of Germany.

I’m pretty sure that cartoon boy has a secret fetish of Dick Cheney whipping his a-ss. Or maybe the Bush Administration taking turns with him. Seriously, how many times has he drawn the Vice President in leather? With a whip? Is he offering his self to them? What is he doing now to satisfy his sadomasochism? Are all of you pinkos this way?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 06:06 PM | Link to this

I take it that you did not wish Mike a Happy Thanksgiving?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 06:12 PM | Link to this

I have a fetish with Cheney’s daughter and her girlfriend.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 06:45 PM | Link to this

Man, you are one sick puppy!

By Midori

November 26, 2005 06:57 PM | Link to this

No, I’m not British. I live in Atlanta, and have been posting on this blog since day one.

I just finished reading an article that applies to the Bush supporters here.

Very profound excerpt:

Yet, who can be surprised? Lowbrow attacks have always been part of the playbook for Bush and his surrogates: When you don’t like the message, kill the messenger. Call him unpatriotic, call him crazy, call her a liar, smear his name with every half-truth and non-truth you can. It happened to former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke, to former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, to Sen. John Kerry, to the anti-war activist Sheehan. Happens to anyone who dares disagree too loudly with the great and powerful Bush.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051125/news_lz1e25pitts.html

They attack Mike day in and day out for his “liberal” views.

Yet Mike is (1) expressing his honest observations, and (2) expressing his God-given right to free speech.

I sure as hell didn’t see all of this “outrage” during the previous administration.

In fact — they all bayed at the same moon.

Over and over and over again. They spoke with one voice. They called the last POTUS a criminal, draft-dodger, murderer, drug dealer, etc.

A lot of cartoonists got real famous during the Clinton years — Mike included.

By Fake Andy

November 26, 2005 07:01 PM | Link to this

Anyone looking for a good laugh should read Cynthia Tucker’s anti voter I.D. damage control column. While she was away in France for Thanksgiving, her underpaid staffers put a pro voter I.D. column in her usual spot. To regain control of the issue, she has hurriedly pieced together a response, that, unexpectedly, blames everything on George Bush.

The main thrust of her nonsense, er, column, is that black males don’t drive, therefore don’t have I.D. An easy way to correct this, which she fails to mention, would be to offer free I.D. to anyone who asks. What do you say Sonny?

Sounds Good To Me

Did she really accuse Bush of playing the race card or did I read that wrong? What, is she jealous that he beat her to it?

By I Wish I Was Andy

November 26, 2005 07:11 PM | Link to this

Gosh, Midori, that was a profound post that you have shared with us. You almost made me forget that the 4 pinkos you named all smeared Bush first.

By Midori

November 26, 2005 07:12 PM | Link to this

The Real Andy — which one of these “gentlemen” are you?

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20051126/i/r4126452883.jpg

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 07:14 PM | Link to this

These are my favorite words now: Wingnut and pinko libs.

By Midori

November 26, 2005 07:16 PM | Link to this

I Wish I Was Andy —

you’re my very own Exhibit A, B, C and D.

thank you.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 07:23 PM | Link to this

Ding,ding,ding. And in the red corner, he is known as Andy, The real Andy, the fake Andy, etc… And in the blue corner, known as Midori, candide, etc… Lets get ready to rumble!

By buff

November 26, 2005 07:24 PM | Link to this

Fake Andy, these are just tools leftists use. They cannot win an honest debate on issues; so they carp, lie, distort, and apply ad hominem attacks. Yes, they love Castro, whined when the Soviet Union collapsed and they truly hate Bush so much they love seeing our country’s name and reputation besmerched because they think it hurts the prez.

By The One And Only Andy

November 26, 2005 07:25 PM | Link to this

Midori: Do I need a pinko password?

Sorry, the page you requested was not found. Please check the URL for proper spelling and capitalization. If you’re having trouble locating a destination on Yahoo!, try visiting the Yahoo! home page or look through a list of Yahoo!’s online services. Also, you may find what you’re looking for if you try searching below.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 07:30 PM | Link to this

Ding. Round one and the one and only Andy throws a jab and landed.

By amused

November 26, 2005 07:33 PM | Link to this

Pinko? lol, how old are you people? Do you still refer to northeners as blue bellies? Do you still refer to GIs as doughboys?

“Why do Dusty, James and Beverly hate our founding fathers?”

Four words my friend, four words. “The Bill of Rights” In their minds, the founding fathers with their penning the Bill of Rights proved that they in reality hated America. Except for the Second Amendment. That is the only one they got right.

By buff

November 26, 2005 07:35 PM | Link to this

I read C. Tucker’s column and do believe that has made an outright lie. She said that Goldwater defended theracially segregated South. Now, I studied Goldwater’s campaign in grad school and have never come across any source of him saying that. He was a state’s right advocate, which would allow states to be racially segregated, but to say he “defended” segregation is, I believe, false. If anyone has info on GW doing so, I would like to read it. Thanks

By Am I Andy Or Not?

November 26, 2005 07:39 PM | Link to this

amused: Do you have a better word?

One entry found for pinko.

Main Entry: pinko Pronunciation: ‘pi[ng]-(“)kO Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural pink·os also pink·oes : a person who holds advanced liberal or moderately radical political or economic views

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 07:40 PM | Link to this

Northerners are referred to as yankees and GI’s are troops.

By amused

November 26, 2005 07:48 PM | Link to this

“She said that Goldwater defended theracially segregated South. Now, I studied Goldwater’s campaign in grad school and have never come across any source of him saying that.”

Why can’t you discuss anything without changing people’s words to fit your argument? Cynthia Tucker said he defended segregation. She never said that he said anything.

By It Could Be Andy

November 26, 2005 07:48 PM | Link to this

Buff: You give these pinkos too much credit for being able to use “tools.” I think it is more like a very young child who is doing something that they know is wrong but they can’t stop because they are neurotic. When they get caught, they lie and dissemble, blame their siblings and other abnormal behaviors. When the adult leaves them alone, they go right back to doing the act with even greater passion.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 07:52 PM | Link to this

Round two, Midori changes name to amused and lands a right hand. Andy is now it could be andy and lands a left. Ding.

By buff

November 26, 2005 07:57 PM | Link to this

It Could be Andy, I wish they would discuss social issues. Liberal policy cannot hold up to scrutiny. I have read all of Thomas Sowell’s book and Walter E. Williams books, and those two gentlemen aer sharp I have watched debate after debate and even when liberals are proven wrong on policy, they still will not admit the policy is bad. That is an indication of stupidity.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 07:58 PM | Link to this

What a fight ladies and gentlemen. Here comes round three.

By buff

November 26, 2005 07:59 PM | Link to this

amused, I did not clearly state what I means, so, you are right. I was going to do the “association” thing, but was unlcear. Oh, man, Ga. Tech and UGA are getting ready to kick off, Bye, Bye

By amused

November 26, 2005 08:01 PM | Link to this

I thought you cavemen hated Goldwater for his stand on gay rights and the rights of gays to serve in the military or do you now support his views on this?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 08:04 PM | Link to this

oh, amused lands an uppercut and Andy is rocked.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 08:04 PM | Link to this

buff,

Or they do what “amused” just tried with you saying you changed things to fit your argument.

So technically you did because Tucker didn’t say Goldwater said something, but if he didn’t say anything how can she make the claim he was defending segregation.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 08:07 PM | Link to this

And the ref stops the fight because the game is starting. Go Dawgs!

By getalife

November 26, 2005 08:08 PM | Link to this

Man, what a nut.

By buff

November 26, 2005 08:09 PM | Link to this

Yeah, right RW, you are dead on. I hope Tech softnes up UGA for my LSU Tigers next week, AND i HAVE TICKETS, woo hoo

By getalife

November 26, 2005 08:12 PM | Link to this

I think Arkansas softened up your LSU tigers.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 08:17 PM | Link to this

buff,

Bite me! LOL

By getalife

November 26, 2005 08:18 PM | Link to this

Man, that Calvin Johnson is good. How tall is he?

By buff

November 26, 2005 08:53 PM | Link to this

Hey, get, yeah LSU went to sleep inteh 3rd quarter, but that defense saved their bacon. Georgia has an advantage in that Richt is a far superior coach to Miles. Calvin Jonson is 6’4” No problem RW LOL

By beverly

November 26, 2005 09:15 PM | Link to this

Mara,

If separation of Church and State meant no mention of God in our public arena, then why is the Almightly God, Creator, Supreme Ruler, etc., mentioned in the preambles of our State Constitutions for every State?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 09:19 PM | Link to this

buff,

Now that I’ve read Cynthia Tuckers column it’s even worse than if she had quoted Barry Goldwater.

Bush could have done more to overcome the GOP’s 40-year history as the party of Barry Goldwater, who ran for president in 1964 on a states’ rights platform that defended Southern segregation.

She is painting the entire GOP as racist and using Goldwater as a straw man example of a racist because he was for states rights which she says defended Southern segregation. I’m sure the platform didn’t say that. Then she says:

There is nothing in his record that suggests Bush is racist.

Well the GOP platform Bush ran on also promoted states rights. What kind of “logic” justifies those two statements?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 09:20 PM | Link to this

beverly, I am drunk. How bout them Dawgs?

By getalife

November 26, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this

Ignore him.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 09:31 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Why did you get me started reading this raving moonbat’s column?

buff,

I love this part:

And disenfranchising even a few thousand black voters in Georgia — voters who tend to support Democrats — could seal the GOP’s hold on the state.

Since her column deals with Presidential races, let’s see how factual she is.

2004 vote totals:

Bush-1,889,832 Kerry-1,345,198 Badnarik-18,165

So “a few thousand” is over half a million.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 09:34 PM | Link to this

RW, What is the difference between a moonbat and a pinko lib?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 09:36 PM | Link to this

getalife,

There is a tiny bit more air in the head of a moonbat.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 09:38 PM | Link to this

Like a Cynthia Mckinney? Moonbat or pinko lib?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 09:45 PM | Link to this

getalife,

First off pinko lib is redundant.

McKinney is way beyond lib or pinko, maybe even beyond moonbat.

Neal Boortz describes her as “the cutest little communist in Congress”, I think that works.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 09:47 PM | Link to this

Man, that is rough. What about Cindy Sheehan?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 09:50 PM | Link to this

getalife,

As for Sheehan, have you ever heard the term “useful idiot”?

By getalife

November 26, 2005 09:52 PM | Link to this

Man, that is bad. How about Jack Murtha?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 10:00 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Murtha has a liberal voting record as it relates to social and spending issues and a more conservative view of issues relating to troop support and national defense.

I think he was very reckless in his statements to the press concerning immediate pullout from Iraq and I suspect deep down he agrees since he wrote a proposal for phased redeployment that was far different in scope than what he had said in his press conference.

I don’t think he qualifies for any of those terms above, just Marine and Democrat.

Are we done listing names yet?

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:05 PM | Link to this

Oh, but that is where we disagree. I believe that Jack Murtha is a great American who stood up when nobody else would and said no to the stay the couse plan of our President. He did rewrite history and made the Bush administration come up with an exit strategy.

By buff

November 26, 2005 10:13 PM | Link to this

RW, you are right, I went back and read C. Tucker’s column and it is laced with innuedos. Oh, yeah, if I a GOP pol I am going to listen and take advice from a leftist hack, which is what C. Tucker is. I met her at a debate on gun control at Georgia State U. a few years ago and she in not a pleasant person.

The leftists are terrified of losing the black vote as that would devastate their party and its base. That is why they want all the giveaway vote buying schemes. I notice that the idiot minmum wage debate didn’t gain traction again, thank God. I do wish the GOP would get rid of that silly legislation.

Good game. I think UGA’s size at offensive line could dominate in the second half. Be interesting to watch that big line against LSU’a defensive line, which some of the jock-sniffers say is the best in college football.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:15 PM | Link to this

Here is my point, as an American, I am sick of the extreme left and extreme right. What about getting things done instead of arguing with each other.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 10:19 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Lot’s of people have stood up and said what Murtha said and President Bush has had the very same exit strategy all along. Nothing has changed in that.

“As Iraqis stand up we will stand down.”

It’s pretty simple. Now you say we disagree because you think of Murtha as a great American. Could you please point out the factual inaccuracy in my statement or where I disparaged Murtha as to his quality as an American?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 10:20 PM | Link to this

Blah, blah, blah. Lets get back to the fight.

By C.O.

November 26, 2005 10:21 PM | Link to this

Hilarious! You guys are too good. Real, Imagined, Wannabe & Are you sure you’re Andy, you are “The Rock” under which lies those things which slither & crawl. You guys made sent me to my slumber with the best laugh I’ve had in awhile.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 10:23 PM | Link to this

buff,

This is a good game, but if they don’t get control of the replay official we may have to postpone the SEC championship game to finish this one.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:25 PM | Link to this

You are right, I do not see nothing there and yes, we are done listing names. Oh, and the Michael Moore comment was very childish on the Presidend’s part.

By buff

November 26, 2005 10:28 PM | Link to this

I often wonder why pols, right now, esp the left, think the words of a Viet Nam vet should count more than anyone else. I was in that hellhole for a year and do not feel I have any more right, or ever knowledge, to commentate on what we should do in Iraq. I do think my experience would make me more hesitant to begin military action, but, all the leftists vets had similar experiences and still voted for the invasion.

And, we have to stay. We should not “do an early pull out” as Teddy Kennedy’s daddy should have done when TK was conveived. As Larry the Cable Guy says: “now that’s funny, I don’t care who you are.”

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:30 PM | Link to this

Sorry RW, my drugs are kicking in. Presidend=President.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 10:30 PM | Link to this

getalife,

And that childish comment you attribute to the President would be?

Oh and please don’t paraphrase.

By buff

November 26, 2005 10:31 PM | Link to this

RW, this time-consuming replay sit is out of control. It takes the rhythm out of the game I watched a game last week where the IR took four minutes.

I think UGA will win b/c I think they are a better team, but Tech’s defense is impressive. And, the best team does not always win.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:34 PM | Link to this

Comparing John Murtha to Michael Moore. Please do not make me look it up. It came from his press secretary .

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:37 PM | Link to this

RW, buff is speaking to you.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 10:41 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I’ll help you out.

Scott McClellan said, “…it appears Jack Murtha has adopted the Michael Moore position.”

This was said in response to a question from the press that was still dealing with the “press conference Murtha” position of immediate withdrawal. That is, in fact, the Michael Moore position.

Later that day Murtha clarified his position, but the news stories used Murthas new quotes and McClellan’s old ones.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:42 PM | Link to this

Damn liberal media bias.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:45 PM | Link to this

buff, what a game. Defensive struggle but you know the Dawgs are going to win.

By buff

November 26, 2005 10:49 PM | Link to this

get, yeah is is quite a game. Tied after three Qs. Richt is a better coach than Gailey and that might make the difference, but, being at Tech helps a bit. I am not a UGA fan, but Richt impresses the hell out of me; he is shrewd. May come down to a big mistake. I am hoping for OT. I have to go get another tumbler of bournon, back soon.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:51 PM | Link to this

I know you are an LSU fan. I can’t wait for that one, need some payback.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 10:52 PM | Link to this

buff,

another tumbler of bournon

Or maybe not! LOL

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:53 PM | Link to this

RW, damn you are good. How did you find that so fast?

By buff

November 26, 2005 10:54 PM | Link to this

Get, Gailey is gutless. 4th and two and you go for a 47 yard FG. Richt loads up and goes for it.

By buff

November 26, 2005 10:56 PM | Link to this

Get, LSU needs the payback. We whupped butt in the SEC title game in ‘03 against UGa, but that a-ss whipping in Athens last fall is unaccpetable.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 10:56 PM | Link to this

buff, is that kicking chicken 101?

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 11:03 PM | Link to this

getalife,

To steal a phrase from John Kerry, “It was seared, seared into my memory.”

By getalife

November 26, 2005 11:04 PM | Link to this

John Kerry? Moonbat or pinko lib?

By buff

November 26, 2005 11:05 PM | Link to this

get do not understand your last post. LSU v. UGA ought to be a heck of a game. They are both mature teams, big, fast, hard-hitting and motivated. Both also find a way to win. I think one advantage UGA has is that they are a big play team and LSU is prone to be hurt that way. If UGA tries to slug it out with them in the trenches LSU wins, but, Richt is too clever to paly to their strength.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 11:07 PM | Link to this

kicking chicken=Wild Turkey 101 proof. It may come down to overtime. Are you going to make it?

By buff

November 26, 2005 11:09 PM | Link to this

Get, I will make it, had my first drink in the second quarter. And, I drink chepa bourbon, such as Ancient Age; but drink god Vodka like Stolly and Skyy

By getalife

November 26, 2005 11:11 PM | Link to this

Check this out, I have a keg dispenser? with a half keg of Bud Light at all times.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 11:15 PM | Link to this

buff, I think you maybe TUI. Typing under the influence.

By buff

November 26, 2005 11:16 PM | Link to this

get, cool, I make my own beer. Flowers is UGA’s stud tonight. That last punt return may seal the deal. Hell of a game; I

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 11:20 PM | Link to this

buff,

You’re not kidding. I’d put Thomas Flowers in on offense right now and just flip the ball to him every play.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 26, 2005 11:21 PM | Link to this

Ya’ll aint as drunk as I am. Where’s beverly?

By buff

November 26, 2005 11:21 PM | Link to this

Flowers is a an amazing runner. I think IGa has got em

By getalife

November 26, 2005 11:22 PM | Link to this

Touchdown!

By buff

November 26, 2005 11:25 PM | Link to this

That would be UGA, not the food marketer. That was a great pass and reception. Tech has their work cut out, but time to recoup, but the uga’s D……….Whatever, I have really enjoyed the game, as I do not care who wins. My son, however, a Tech grad, is probalby out of sorts as he is there tonight. He was going to start tailgaiting at 9:00 AM; I am so proud

By getalife

November 26, 2005 11:26 PM | Link to this

And you should be.

By RW-(the original)

November 26, 2005 11:29 PM | Link to this

buff,

This is a great addon for IE

It’s free and safe, two of my favorite things.

By getalife

November 26, 2005 11:30 PM | Link to this

Interception!

By buff

November 26, 2005 11:32 PM | Link to this

What a disappointing loss for Tech. Dumb play, bad receiver route. Oh well. LSU is a bit better D than Tech, so, maybe the score will be 3-0

By buff

November 26, 2005 11:36 PM | Link to this

Hey, thanks, RW! My early stages of arthritis cause me a lot of typos. I will tell you some day, though, how knowing how to type got me out of the jungle.

By buff

November 26, 2005 11:37 PM | Link to this

Y’all have a good night; I am going downstairs

By getalife

November 26, 2005 11:38 PM | Link to this

You too.

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 12:47 AM | Link to this

The story says we don’t tolerate this behavior. Gee, you think!

By Kevin

November 27, 2005 04:11 AM | Link to this

Do I like it? NO. But the worst part is that it reflects the truth about the hypocritical, amoral Bush administration. I guess nobody caught that former Iraq PM Allawi said Iraqi abuse is ‘as bad as Saddam era’. Not due to the torture by the US but mainly because the puppet government the US established is torturing Iraqis. 170 tortured deceased Iraq’s were found in the basement of a Baghdad administration building.

I guess since the Bush administration has set the bar so low for treating prisoners that the Iraqis feel free to torture at will. I pray for the days when the US was the true moral beacon of the world. Not always in practice but always in principal.

By Kevin

November 27, 2005 04:12 AM | Link to this

Do I like it? NO. But the worst part is that it reflects the truth about the hypocritical, amoral Bush administration. I guess nobody caught that former Iraq PM Allawi said Iraqi abuse is ‘as bad as Saddam era’. Not due to the torture by the US but mainly because the puppet government the US established is torturing Iraqis. 170 tortured deceased Iraq’s were found in the basement of a Baghdad administration building.

I guess since the Bush administration has set the bar so low for treating prisoners that the Iraqis feel free to torture at will. I pray for the days when the US was the true moral beacon of the world. Not always in practice but always in principal.

By John Hendricks

November 27, 2005 06:40 AM | Link to this

Cartoons as satire are usually best when drawn in gross overstatement, as is today’s fine rendering.

This is one that, I suspect, could find itself in a high school American history textbook some day. No, change that to an online high school history class.

I suspect that many TODAY will disagree with the treatment. I suspect that in a few years a vast majority will nod and say something about PAX AMERICANA and how this “war” we are waging against “terrorism” was inversely seen by most of the world as “terrorism” itself, and eventually viewed that way here in the USA.

By then, we will have probably withdrawn from high priced foreign adventures to recover from debt and social disaffection for this decade’s stupidity.

By Faux Andy

November 27, 2005 06:44 AM | Link to this

For all of you who tuned in looking for a funny, insightful political cartoon but were instead sorely disappointed; Let me try to make up some of your sorrow-

Poor Santa

By Ike Hedger

November 27, 2005 07:16 AM | Link to this

I think Professor Hendricks, while quite eloquent in his assumption, should stick to his one great gift, and that is in teaching students composition. His historic assumptions are, at best,largely inaccurate, and at worst, dangerous!

By LoFlyer

November 27, 2005 07:30 AM | Link to this

The AJC continues to lose their market, and they are clueless and ignorant as to why. This editorial cartoon spells it out. Which country provides the lion’s share of aid whenever a disaster strikes? The tsunami disaster relief that we spearheaded while the UN was on junkets called fact finding tours and being rude to our military for graciously accommodating them, appears to have never happened according to Luckovich and the AJC. We all know there is not the slightest trace of bias in the media, but Luckovich and the AJC are continually expanding the envelope of this non-existent political bias to the detriment of the community. The AJC will never change. They talk big about being progressive, and knowing the pulse of the community, but the loss of market share would indicate otherwise. Perhaps sending your staff to another media seminar on media bias with Dan Rather as the keynote speaker will make things right. OOPS, you have already done that, and the bias is even worse. Perhaps Dan Rather was a poor choice as speaker after all….PS Mick, I personally think that you are a accomplished liar who is obviously intelligent, but lacking in cognative recoginition of reality.

By A Chance It Is Andy

November 27, 2005 07:41 AM | Link to this

LoFlyer: These libs think they can reverse the tide of not only falling circulation numbers but lost voters by going even more to the extreme. If they aren’t nasty they won’t get noticed by MoveOn.org and the other kooks; which costs them the big money donations.

If anybody wants to chime in that this cartoon is “mainstream” I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

By Fake Andy

November 27, 2005 07:55 AM | Link to this

*Anyone looking for a good laugh should read Cynthia Tucker’s anti voter I.D. damage control column. While she was away in France for Thanksgiving, her underpaid staffers put a pro voter I.D. column in her usual spot. To regain control of the issue, she has hurriedly pieced together a response, that, unexpectedly, blames everything on George Bush.

The main thrust of her nonsense, er, column, is that black males don’t drive, therefore don’t have I.D. An easy way to correct this, which she fails to mention, would be to offer free I.D. to anyone who asks. What do you say Sonny?

Sounds Good To Me

Did she really accuse Bush of playing the race card or did I read that wrong? What, is she jealous that he beat her to it?

By LoFlyer

November 27, 2005 07:56 AM | Link to this

Hello Andy, the problem is that the leftwing liberal staff at the AJC believes they are mainstream and anyone who does not toe the line with their political ideology is a right-wing extremist. All the journalist graduates nowadays come out believing that journalists should change the world rather than just report the facts. Who, what and where seem to have disappeared in the analysis presented as fact by today’s journalists.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

November 27, 2005 08:19 AM | Link to this

“The AJC continues to lose their market, and they are clueless and ignorant as to why. This editorial cartoon spells it out.” Except that the overwhelming number of viewers at this particular site who view the cartoon, and choose to vote, vote in the affirmative.

By foreign devil

November 27, 2005 08:19 AM | Link to this

Mike, I think you’re one of the best cartoonists around, certainly as good or almost as Cox & Forkum but….why the US bashing? The US is not a bully but the left would like us to think so. It’s a subversive meme we don’t need during a time of war.

Sincerely f.d. (a Canadian who disagrees with BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome) and US bashing!

By T-Bone

November 27, 2005 08:36 AM | Link to this

The Righteous Right are such hypocrites. They spout off about values and then justify whatever means suit their purposes, including torture. They just don’t get it. This cartoon hits the nail on the head, but of course the RR will say it’s unpatriotic.

By LB

November 27, 2005 08:41 AM | Link to this

Perhaps the title of this “cartoon” should be Luckovich hates America.

And in reading the name-calling, vitriolic Bush hating comments from previous posts, we can see what the sensitive, caring leftists are really like.

By Jesus

November 27, 2005 09:07 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 09:15 AM | Link to this

foreign devil,

LGF?

By david

November 27, 2005 10:10 AM | Link to this

MIKE writes so many moronic pencil cartoons, my dog has a hard time peeing on all of them. Like the WHY statement cartooned a few weeks ago and the very next day the fact that the Iran pres wants Israel wipped off the face of the earth. Then the very next day, the Iran Pres reinterates he really does want Israel wipped off the face of the earth. I showed these statements and the WHY to everyone I know that goes with feelings and no facts. You see it is easy to hide behind a pencil, a heated home , a fancy car, and the most advanced defense system ever. MIKE, FEEL for the pencil cartoonists that lived in IRaq while Saddam was KING. Stop making these Nazi statements.

MIKE, go live in FRANCE where pencil cartoonists are appreciated. Stop making money like Micheal MOORE or you will be next on the whistle blowers list.

Pencil a cartoon depicting the morons that 1. believe we did the wrong thing with the 20 other countries, including IRaq but 2. also believe we have the capability to find a WMD in a 800 sq. mile desert in 2 years.

By buff

November 27, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this

I think that the leftists miss the mark on teh ‘toon, it may be anti-Bush, but it is also anti-American. The vile hatred in these people is somewhat scary.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 11:17 AM | Link to this

MIKE, go live in FRANCE where pencil cartoonists are appreciated. Stop making money like Micheal MOORE or you will be next on the whistle blowers list.

Next on the whistle blowers list? What does that mean?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

Yes, I am mad at Micheal Moore too because I went to his website to get a free copy of 911 and never got it. I had to download it on the net and guess what. He was right. Also, Senator Fiengold was right too when he was the only one to vote no to invading Iraq and no to the Patriot Act. He did vote yes for Roberts you wingnuts.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this

You know if you really think about it, Bush and Saddam are just alike. They both are about big money and both want to silence the people who speak out about them. Saddam once said that he likes the American people, but hate the Bushes.

By This Justin

November 27, 2005 12:13 PM | Link to this

You anti-dissenters need to buy a one way ticket to China where that type of government can fulfill your ideology. Bunch of commies, all of you.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 12:16 PM | Link to this

This Justin, I am not a commie, wingnut or pinko lib. Why so angry This Justin?

By Cleasie Hickson

November 27, 2005 12:20 PM | Link to this

Mike,

Keep fighting the good fight. It’s obvious that we need someone to tell the truth. Our president has only been interested in making money for his allies. Our country and it’s hypocritical policies has become the laughing stock of the world.

By This Justin

November 27, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this

ono u didn’t, if you hate dissent then you should move to China. Hopefully David the anti-American values anti-dissenter already has his bags packed for commie China where dissent is crushed. God bless you.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 12:36 PM | Link to this

God bless you too and why are you not in church?

By Obsessed With Andy

November 27, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this

I like Buff’s comment last nite that he has met Cynthia Tucker and that “she is not a very nice person.” It takes some serious intestinal fortitude to hate your country and everything about it. Isn’t it funny that if you don’t agree with a pinko then you are a “commie,” “out of the mainstream” or an “extreme right winger?” But if a lib disagrees with a Con it’s “dissent,” “intellect” or the ability to “see the various nuances in every situation blah, blah, blah.”

If you really think about it, hate, and with it, being “not a very nice person,” is the easy, stupid way out.

By This Justin

November 27, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this

I’m not in church because my church is filled with war lovers. GOD BLESS YOU.

By buff

November 27, 2005 12:46 PM | Link to this

Tucker is not a nice person. I met Lucko one time and at least he had a pleasant personality, kind of wimpy, but not nasty. I think C. Tucker fell off her meds. I read an article in the Marietta paper the other day about Jimmy Carter and “values.” What a disgraceful individual. His appeasement of Islam is one of the reasons the world situation is where it is today. To Carter, peace is the absence of war. Hmmm, the Soviet Union had that in its boundaries for years.

By Wishing I Was Andy

November 27, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

Cartoon boy is a little “wimpy,” eh? That fits nicely with my sadomasochism theory. These Dick Cheney in leather with a whip drawings are starting to become very clear.

By Andy

November 27, 2005 12:58 PM | Link to this

I have been converted and seen the error of my ways. IMPEACH BUSH NOW!

By Talon News

November 27, 2005 01:03 PM | Link to this

Andy said, “These Dick Cheney in leather with a whip drawings are starting to become very clear.”

I told you yesterday, Lib Lucovich stole these from my website, I have lots with Cheney in them.

Jeff O~O

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 01:04 PM | Link to this

Hey, Mexican Andy has shown up. (that you Jesus?)

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:07 PM | Link to this

How about a link Jeff or is your website still shut down?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this

Jeff, here is a question you should ask the President: Why are you a dictator like Saddam and when will you resign?

By Joe

November 27, 2005 01:18 PM | Link to this

After reading all of the messages here,all I have figured out is that the democrats agree that being compared to Michael Moore is A huge insult.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:21 PM | Link to this

Hey Joe, where are you going with that gun in your hand? I’m going to shoot my old lady because I caught her messing around with another man.

By R.W.

November 27, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this

I have finally realized that Dubya is not the swell guy I thought he was. IMPEACH BUSH NOW!

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

Joe,

I guess they liked Moore better here

Possibly the only way to use “Moore better” properly in a sentence.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

Its RW.

By This Justin

November 27, 2005 01:31 PM | Link to this

Hey all!! Just to lighten up things a bit, I thought I might tell you a story from my White House days. Well as a lot of you know, I have spent a lot of time at the White House. Spent the night many times as a freedom of information act investigator revealed. Anyway do you know how our great President loves to give people nicknames? Well guess what? He asked if I had a nickname and I told him yes, its “BULLDOG”! He said “thats perfect” and thats what he called me after that.

Jeff O~O aka Bulldog

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:34 PM | Link to this

Go Dawgs! How bout them dawgs?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this

I wonder what he calls Cheney?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this

Are you sure he did not call you wingnut?

By DAUGHTER OF THE CONFEDERACY

November 27, 2005 01:46 PM | Link to this

Put them dam yankee Bushes out of office now.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:48 PM | Link to this

Bush is from Texas and he is a cowboy. Remember this : Bring it on?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

Here is another: Mission Accomplished. The war in Iraq is over.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:53 PM | Link to this

Cheney: we are in the last throughs? of the insurgency.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

How about this one by Cheney : You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.

By Sara

November 27, 2005 02:08 PM | Link to this

Yes, Bush is from Tex-AS and looks like a bantam rooster struting around in his cowboy boots and acting so smug. I think the Dixie Chicks hit the nail on the head.

By M.S.

November 27, 2005 02:08 PM | Link to this

How about this one”The actual use of force is the surest way to contain Saddems weapons of mass destruction program,curtail his aggression and prevent anouther gulf war.” -Bill Clinton 1998.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 02:10 PM | Link to this

Yes the Dixie Chicks. I forgot how much trouble that got into when they talked about Dictator Bush.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 02:14 PM | Link to this

M.S. I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky. Then, it depends on your definition of having sex .

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this

M.S. What is the differnce between war and sex?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 02:18 PM | Link to this

If you wear a condom, nobody will get killed.

By M.S.

November 27, 2005 02:26 PM | Link to this

What? All I’m saying is that all you left wing nuts are full of it with this “Bush lied” nonsense.Saddem had those weapons and everyone agreed. If he got rid of them in the six months we were pussyfooting around with the U.N. okay.It wouldn’t be that hard.The question is do you believe he got rid of them in secret after he threw out the weapons inspectors and told no one exept the then governer of Texas. Or do you believe that the democrats are A bunch of liars as well?

By David

November 27, 2005 02:29 PM | Link to this

Like Michael Moore—look at the public tax returns and see what he invests his money(power)into. You would find the opposite of his movies. This guy Mike does the same thing. Waste of newspaper space.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 27, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this

Politicions lying? Give me a break.

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this

M.S.,

Please don’t play with it!

By M.S.

November 27, 2005 02:36 PM | Link to this

Sorry RW my computer wont let me link to it. If you know how to fix that tell me,if not tell me what it says or shows.Please.

By Sara

November 27, 2005 02:41 PM | Link to this

This is one left winger that would like to see Bush take a lie detector test. Wonder if he has the balls. It is so much easier to send young men to take the bullet while he sits in his ivory tower.

By david

November 27, 2005 02:47 PM | Link to this

So, the President of Iran wants Israel wipped off the face of the earth.

Just Talk or Why should we waste money protecting a COUNTRY so far away?

Which one will liberals agree on. Or (dictator) Bush put Iran up to these statements so he can have a positive legacy. I am sure you can search and find a creative answer. Maybe a pencil cartoonist can create an answer based on .00001 percent of OUR American troops. While MIKE L gets BUFU’d tonight he will get more creative.

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 02:51 PM | Link to this

M.S.,

I’m sorry, I was talking about playing with the ubiquitous poster that surrounds your 2:08 post.

What are you trying to link to? I’ll try to find it.

By omar

November 27, 2005 03:02 PM | Link to this

I am new to America and do not know what R.W. and M.S. are playing with. Is this blog sex?

By buff

November 27, 2005 03:13 PM | Link to this

RW, did you see Sen. Lying Levin on FoxNews this morning? Chris Wallace called him on statements that LL had said Bush had said. When Wallace showed him the actual transcripts he proved LL wrong, he still would not admit he had erred.

Also, they had Biden on last week and you know how the leftists believe that if they say something enough it has to be true? Biden went through the “Bush said we are in imminent danger from Saddam Hussein.” Wallace proved today that neither Bush nor Cheney never used the word “imminent danger.”

I think Biden is going to run again

By Tom Buffer

November 27, 2005 03:37 PM | Link to this

America against the world cartoon.

Funny how editors and cartoonists forget to depict that “the world” attacked America on 9/11 or the fact that the hooded figure representing the world beheaded many Americans and others. The media either hates America, or loves insurgents, or both.

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 03:42 PM | Link to this

buff,

I saw it. It’s hilarious the way they all give that “imminent threat” canard when Jay Rockefeller is the only one that said that.

Biden has already said he is running. Ann Coulter said Biden should have really waited for hair plug surgery to be perfected before having his. They do look ridiculous.

By buff

November 27, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this

RW, technology has caused many of those blowhards to have to back up what they say. The left needs to work on some winning policy issues. But, since most of them are socialist in nature…

That was a great game last night, but I thought Shockley would play better.

Poor Reggie Ball, two years in a row and his final plays are disasters. Although, last night i think it was the receiver that goofed up.

Thanks for the iespeller tip, words well.

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 04:07 PM | Link to this

buff,

You’re welcome.

Thanks for the iespeller tip, words well.

Of course, it only works when the typo isn’t a word.

By mike

November 27, 2005 04:22 PM | Link to this

This would be a great drawing. IF I WAS A COMMUNIST.

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 05:34 PM | Link to this

I guess this is one way to make sure only the message you want gets on the air

What do you call Tim Russert and four moonbats?

By Is it Andy?

November 27, 2005 06:02 PM | Link to this

RW: I wonder if they’ll bring a fake Conservative on with them and beat him up, like they do on this blog?

By Anybody Seen Andy?

November 27, 2005 06:05 PM | Link to this

This is sure to be a hit with the pinkos-

Death To Amerika!!

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this

I think it might be Andy,

I think that role is usually played by John McCain, but since he supports the Iraq war they had to use a panel of “objective journalists” today.

By buff

November 27, 2005 06:09 PM | Link to this

RW, that is how the left operates. Russert can be pretty good, but, of course, there is one he handles with kid glove’s and that is Hillary. Every time she comes on MP he slobbers over her. I thought one time he was going to ask her for a date.

I like the last half of Fox because Brit Hume usually beats up on Juan Williams.

By getalife

November 27, 2005 06:09 PM | Link to this

Great link RW I missed that this morning.I think that there were no wingnuts on the panels because the American people have finally seen the GOP side and are not buying it anymore. Love the part on John Murtha. John Kerry, moonbat or pinko lib?

By buff

November 27, 2005 06:14 PM | Link to this

RW, note how much more intellectual those on the right are on the Sunday gabbers. George Will, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer.

I hope Newt runs, he has some baggage, but on policy and history no one on the left can stay in the arena of ideas with him.

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 06:18 PM | Link to this

buff,

I think Britt loves being a panelist just so he can smack Juan around. He can’t really do that as a host during the week.

I usually watch Fox News Sunday in the morning and Meet the Depressed when it replays at night.

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 06:22 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Maybe you should read this.

Seventy percent of people surveyed said that criticism of the war by Democratic senators hurts troop morale

This is from that noted right wing mouthpiece. The Washington Post.

By getalife

November 27, 2005 06:28 PM | Link to this

This poll is one of the few pieces of supportive news the administration has had lately on Iraq. Most surveys have shown significant majorities believe it was a mistake to go to war, as well as rising sentiment that Bush misled Americans in making the case for it.

They should have polled the troops!

By getalife

November 27, 2005 06:32 PM | Link to this

I know, do not say anything bad about the war or you are a traitor, unamerican and unpatriotic. The American people do not agree!

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 06:35 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Funny that you would use that part of the story, without the part that followed it.

Even so, there is still support for Bush’s policy going forward. A plurality, 49 percent, believe that troops should come home only when the Iraqi government can provide for its own security, while 16 percent support immediate withdrawal, regardless of the circumstances.

I wish they would interview returning troops nore often, they are rightfully proud of the great job they are doing.

By getalife

November 27, 2005 06:38 PM | Link to this

Yes, and Hillary Clinton is one that says we should stay and you maybe right. Answer this, how are you going to stop the Shiites from getting payback revenge on the Sunnis and stop a Civil War?

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 06:39 PM | Link to this

nore=more, you’d think if I can link to ispell I could also use it!

By Maybe Andy, Maybe Not

November 27, 2005 06:46 PM | Link to this

A former POW weighs in on the withdrawl idea, remember pinkos, a POW has moral absolution, ain’t that what you said?

Sam The Man

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 06:50 PM | Link to this

getalife,

If that question is for me, it’s possible that you can’t prevent it. However if you believe that they are making progress forming a representative government, then each step along the way brings them closer to peaceful coexistence.

December 15th will tell us a lot about the progress they are making, but your alternative seems to be that they must be run by a brutal dictator to prevent Civil War.

Sorry, I just can’t buy into that.

By getalife

November 27, 2005 06:56 PM | Link to this

Yes, I listened to him and Mr. Murtha speak on CSpan during the debate on the GOP resolution. Both great Americans, both had different views and points on the issue and I was very impressed in the way they debated. But I think Mr. Murtha’s new argument, instead of the same old stay the course plan, is the turning point in this war.

By getalife

November 27, 2005 06:59 PM | Link to this

RW, no I did not say that. There will be a new government but we may not like it. Does Iran ring a bell?

By RW-(the original)

November 27, 2005 07:10 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I know you didn’t say that, but you don’t leave much option. Your question wasn’t what form of government it was what prevents civil war.

Please don’t play the moonbat game of moving the goalposts every time a question gets answered.

By buff

November 27, 2005 07:44 PM | Link to this

Hey, get, I profoundly believe that Iraq can be stabilized and that if it is the Middle-East will become a series of dominoes falling toward open govt.

To be honest, I was against the Iraqi invasion, but we have to finish the job, and we can. Al Zarqawi is desperate. His best ally is the leftist media in this country. My son was over there as an engineer, and now he is back and cannot believe how the media distorts the situation.

By getalife

November 27, 2005 08:28 PM | Link to this

Sorry I had to eat,.RW, it is a difficult situation and I wish countries could take care of their own problems like dictatorships. To find Saddam in that hole tells me that the Iraq people should have united and stood up to him.We have enough problems and disasters here to care of. Wishful thinking , I know. Buff, what does your son have to say about the situation?

By Greg Girtman

November 27, 2005 09:59 PM | Link to this

Anyone who said they like this cartoon must hate America, just like the artist who drew it. I am saddened to see such anti-American stuff in our paper. It just shows how left wing the AJC really is.

By Washington State

November 27, 2005 10:28 PM | Link to this

Hard to believe that there are people who still think that “communist” is the worst epithet you can hurl. Try this one: Bush Republican. Now THAT should really sting. Yes Virginia, most of the world really does see us as the bully depicted in Mike’s cartoon. Does that make Mike a “communist?” I think it makes him a patriot for pointing out how hopelessly narcissistic we have become.

By Billy Bones

November 28, 2005 01:00 AM | Link to this

In response to Mr. Girtman:

What you are saying is that 1) Anyone who criticizes our government hates America. 2) Such criticism is anti-American, and 3) Therefore leftwing.

One of the most American things that you can possibly do is to criticize the government. Since you seem to be against that, this would make you the Anti-American here.

One thing that you right-wing (and left-wing, too) idealogues never seem to understand is that this kind of criticism comes from a love of the America, and anger at the very dumb, un-American things that people in White House are doing (like supporting torture and suspending habeas corpus).

Furthermore, when a Democrat is president, his muck will be raked just the same way Bushies is. Well, hopefully less — lets hope we don’t ever have a president worse than Bush.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:09 AM | Link to this

From Today’s Vent-

The Democrats have become seditious. They used to hang people in this country for that. I’d vote to bring it back before they destroy the USA.

Now we’re talking!

By Bill

November 28, 2005 07:15 AM | Link to this

When we prostitute ourselves to the likes of hate mongers like Dick Cheney, it shouldn’t be surprising that we are seen as brutes by the rest of the world. When we allow our military to be run by draft dodgers and national gaurd hideouts, I guess we are saying that “cowardice is the new patriotism”. With four years Vietnam era service, I am offended everytime I see these yellow-bellies open their lying gutless mouths.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 07:18 AM | Link to this

Bill: What unit did you serve in Vietnam?

By Bill

November 28, 2005 07:24 AM | Link to this

Hi Andy, Was lucky and served all state side duty at SPCC in Mechanicsburg, PA. (HM-8482). I was one of the ones who got to put all our guys back together after we drug ‘em home. I volunteered for my service and was not drafted (in respect of current nationalism-what a dummy, huh)!

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

Where have all the pinkos gone, long time a’passin, when will they ever learn, when will they ever learn?

We sent out a memo, didn’t we?

By BR

November 28, 2005 09:01 AM | Link to this

Hey, wingnuts, if you hate Luckovich so much, then why do you flood this site with posts? I know this may be too complicated for you because it involves logic, but here it goes: more posts = more page views = more money for ajc = more luckovich! Andy, your obsession with Luckovich and this site is quite disturbing. You need to find a more pleasant obsession, like knitting.

On the voter ID issue, can you cite instances of widespread voter fraud that the voter ID law would have remedied? I know you think African-Americans in Georgia only vote when they’re paid, but tell me why you wouldn’t need an ID to vote absentee, most of which are cast by Republicans? Conservatives never win a debate on the issues. It’s always “you’re unpatriotic, you love nazis and commies, blah blah blah.”

Great cartoon, though, Mike.

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 09:03 AM | Link to this

Sorry, Biily, no matter how much you served you are now anti-American. Maybe Viet Nam twisted you up a bit. Did you like anti-war protestors then? That is the kind of people you are backing now. If I thought they were sincere, my opinion might be different. But I think this is more political than patriotic. That is not worth the sacrifice of our country. It is also not worth sacrificing the honor of those who are now serving in Iraq. Is that what you are trying to do? Because you ARE doing just that.

By BR

November 28, 2005 09:20 AM | Link to this

Dusty, your last post is ridiculous. Bill, thanks for your service and just know that Dusty is a right wing lemming. He doesn’t think for himself and it’s pointless engaging him in a debate because he’s like a child that can’t be reasoned with. He’ll call you anti-American for merely disagreeing with him and then tell you that he won the debate. Just skip to the next post when you see one authored by him. At least Andy is entertaining.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 09:24 AM | Link to this

BR: Aren’t the democrats the ones whining about stolen elections? Why wouldn’t voter ID help to remedy this?

I do not talk of nazis and commies, these are MoveOn.org slogans, i.e. Chimpy Bushitlerburton. I call you people pinkos.

The AJC has a four page pullout section for the impending break up of Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey and you think I’m obsessed???

By Bill

November 28, 2005 09:30 AM | Link to this

Hi Dusty, If twisted- America did it (if you read post you would see that I spent my service stateside). Sadly, this “war” is not about patriotism or even right/wrong. It is about war profiteering, defense contracts, and camouflage of poor executive office administrative abilities (same as ‘Nam). The Iragis themselves (our own political appointees by the way) want us out and say that the character of Iragi government now is the same or worse than under Saddam. Since “American” seems to be analogous to “bully”, “liar”, and “coward” in your value set, I am very proud to be called your idea of “anti-american”. Name-calling is your only talent it seems- it sure isn’t historical knowledge or logic. Pseudo-patriotism makes me sick. Strap on a field pack, pull your time defending this great country, then maybe I’ll have some respect for you.

By BR

November 28, 2005 09:43 AM | Link to this

Andy: Thanks for citing an instance of voter fraud that the voter ID bill would have remedied. Good job.

Oh yeah, I guess it’s only Justin, buff, Dusty, etc. who call people commies and America-haters.

Seriously, though, admitting your obsession is the first step in overcoming it. I’m off to the airport, but I’m sure I’ll see you here (along with 50 or so new nuggets of Andy-wisdom) tomorrow, Andy!

By Wilma Lamb

November 28, 2005 09:45 AM | Link to this

I do and I don’t like it. It paints a bad picture of the world which unfortunately is true and how the rest of the world sees us even our “friends” wilmafromkansas

By Bill

November 28, 2005 09:45 AM | Link to this

Since analogies to Vietnam/Iraq become more and more appropriate over time, we should all look at the place we did “turn tail and run” from. Where is Vietnam, now? It is now one of our strongest trading partners in SE Asia and well on the way to being a capitalized society supplying a decent standard of living for its huge population. Democracy is right around the corner there now that we are no longer sticking our nose in and perverting the natural process of right prevailing in the arena of intelligent trade/discussion/cooperation. I’m sure glad that we didn’t “finish the job” there or the Vietnamese might now still be trying to fight our occupation of their homeland and the populace would still be under the influence of communist aggressors. Like in Sumo wresting, sometimes you win by just relaxing and letting the other side beat themselves.

By Mara

November 28, 2005 09:52 AM | Link to this

Technically, Dubya can’t really be considered a “cowboy” since he doesn’t have enough cows to make a herd. Only 4 or 5 token cattle, grazing in the field just for show. And rumour has it that not only does he not have enough cattle to be called a rancher, he’s also very nervous around horses.
As they say; all hat, no cattle.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 28, 2005 09:53 AM | Link to this

How much money do I get to vote?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 09:53 AM | Link to this

Bill: The reason that Vietnam seems so delightful to you is because you weren’t among the 3 million people the communists killed after the US withdrawal.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 28, 2005 09:56 AM | Link to this

Fake, how many Iraqis were killed when we left Saddam in power after Desert Storm?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 10:03 AM | Link to this

ohnoyoudidnt: Are you talking about before we stopped paying attention to the UN or after?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 28, 2005 10:05 AM | Link to this

Fake, Do we listen to the UN, thay are corrupt (food for oil).

By Midori

November 28, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

Mara - check out this story.

Everything about him is fake.

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/051107roco01

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 28, 2005 10:08 AM | Link to this

Kind of like the GOP. Wingnut!

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 10:12 AM | Link to this

Andrew McCarthy has the money quotes for today-

I spent a number of years in the eye of the counterterror storm: watching the criminal-justice system writhe through what the Clinton administration called its “war” on terror — a curious battle plan in which the enemy kills you and is then presumed innocent.

Now, do I get to end all discussion? Do I have the “moral authority” to render that judgment simply because I was there and you weren’t?

By Bill

November 28, 2005 10:14 AM | Link to this

Andy: Vietnam not delightful. Do you have any idea of how many S. Vietnamese citizens were “silenced” by the corrupt dictatorships that we supported there during the war? Do you even have any idea of how many corrupt administrations we installed in Vietnam during the conflict?Have any idea of how many Iranian citizens were “silenced” by the Shah of Irans’ death squads (our ally, remember?). Whenever a citizen of a country supports and profits from supporting an occupying force, they are usually not well-treated after the invading force has been expelled (‘Nam not special in that respect). What did you expect- they would be given lollipops? You have totally missed the point. What matters is not where they were then, but where they are now. That is the reality that you simply cannot refute, and the relavent point to this discussion.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 28, 2005 10:18 AM | Link to this

Yeaaah, Boooooooooooy. Take that wingnut!

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 10:21 AM | Link to this

Bill: Don’t mistake the South Vietnamese protecting themselves from the threat of the communists as “silencing” “citizens.” Or do you consider communism to be an enemy?

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 28, 2005 10:27 AM | Link to this

How is this for irony: the facade of the Supreme Court has just collapsed. Just like the Bush administration.

By Oh The Humanity

November 28, 2005 10:28 AM | Link to this

Wow, you are totally crushing poor Andy. (Watch as Andy tries to change the subject now.)

Oh the humanity.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 28, 2005 10:35 AM | Link to this

Just say no to Alito.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 10:51 AM | Link to this

Bill,

Should we do anything about genocide in the Sudan?

By oh snap

November 28, 2005 10:56 AM | Link to this

Andy, you just got undressed!

By The Vent

November 28, 2005 11:00 AM | Link to this

I finally figured out why there’s a “Slow Children at Play� sign in every Republican neighborhood. Genetics.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this

Andy,

More lonely Mama Moonbat photos

That “bbok” looks shorter than some posts here.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 11:09 AM | Link to this

Andy: Of course I’m not talking about SV soldiers doing their legitimate job of protecting life and property. Please read “Vietnam: A History” by Stanley Karnow to gain an appreciation of the corruption present in the US appointed dictatorships during the Vietnam conflict. This is a completely non-political reference that only gives a exact factual accounting of aspects of the Vietnam conflict. Long read but well worth the effort. Karnow makes no inferences; just reports the facts. Very refreshing to read uncolored journalism in this day and age. Please don’t mistake legitimate honorable military action for acts of brutality and barbarism that were intended to squelch political dissent of fellow countrymen. That is what happened in Vietnam, Iran, and it is happening today in Iraq by forces that we have installed into power. Those are the facts; like ‘em or not. Join the 21st century, Andy. I don’t consider communism a threat. In case you missed it, the USSR has been disbanded. The Berlin wall has been torn down, and capitalism can win over people with its’ irrefutable logic and market advantages. We don’t need to (and can’t) influence other world citizens to adopt free market philosophy by bullying them.

By michael nightingale

November 28, 2005 11:10 AM | Link to this

All you Bush worshippers keep missing the point! Yes, islamic terrorists are mean people that behave very badly. No argument from me. Point is, the Bush administration has this “holier than thou” mentality and feels a need to lecture the rest of the world on how to conduct themselves and follow America’s example in how to run their own country and treat other people. Obviously, Luckovich’s point is that America under Bush is no different than all the “evil-doers” nations. America under Bush is no different than the worst nations on this earth in regard to human rights and forcing our beliefs on others (including the Taliban).

By getalife

November 28, 2005 11:23 AM | Link to this

RW, I like this one

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 11:24 AM | Link to this

The Vent,

Ah yes, genetics!

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 11:29 AM | Link to this

getalife,

That one is better, but unfortunately for Cindy the others are real.

Remember back in the days before she started taking on Hillary? They would have tightly cropped the picture and probably put some staffers in line.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 11:32 AM | Link to this

RW,I do not think that people like her trying to cash in on her 15 minutes of fame.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 11:36 AM | Link to this

Bill: How are we bullying the Iraqi citizens? By giving them freedom?

The Iraqis you accuse of “barbarism” toward their fellow countryman have a name; you can call them “Iranians.”

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

Fortunately, I am not intimidated by people who think Viet Nam is in wonderful shape just because we left or that I worship Bush because I think he has done the right thing. Go ahead and cite all the nebulous accusations. Oil companies are getting richer. Most well run companies are or they go out of business. But ignore that. Iraq is getting ready to vote again and is trying to move even closer to democracy. But somebody did something wrong somewhere so “throw out the baby with the bath water”. And most especially, vote for all Democrats next time. And to top it off, Bush doesn’t like HORSES. Now that is a real reason to make character claims against him. Now let us forget 9/11. Those nice terrorists did not mean any harm at all. Can’t you take a joke? Luckovich gives us another good one to laugh at our country. Oh, boy, pass the ammunition and let us shoot ourselves in the foot or in the heart.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

RW: Can you go to the NY Sun site, see the top headline and post that link? This blog computer won’t allow me to…. Name it the same as the headline.

By buff

November 28, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

RW can you send me that iespeller link again? Thank you

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

Andy,

ml must have installed a filter that only allows moonbat stories through!

CAIRO, Egypt - As calls for a reduction of troops in Iraq intensify in Washington, one of Iraq’s leading liberal politicians yesterday warned President Bush against heeding the advice.

In a telephone interview with The New York Sun, Mithal al-Alusi yesterday said he expected a new wave of terror in his country, adding that Iraq and America’s security were now inextricably linked and that it would be a “huge mistake” if American soldiers were brought home in 2006.

There are the first two paragraphs.

By ChickenHawk Bush

November 28, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

from the WSJ today:

“A majority of U.S. adults believe the Bush administration generally misleads the public on current issues, while fewer than a third of Americans believe the information provided by the administration is generally accurate, the latest Harris Interactive poll finds.”

Yikes! Thats horrible. This is the family values president????????? Returning honesty to the presidency????????

By buff

November 28, 2005 11:57 AM | Link to this

I am curious, do you leftists consider Ramsey Clark anti-American?

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 11:58 AM | Link to this

Andy,

If you even try to type the web address for n-ewy-ork-s-un.com, without dashes this site won’t take it.

They must really hate the sun!

By realist

November 28, 2005 11:58 AM | Link to this

I don’t consider myself conservative or liberal, but I think it’s disingenuous to say that oil compaines and our energy future had nothing to do with this war. I’m outraged by all of these artificial (freedom is on the march, fight ‘em there so we don’t fight ‘em here, etc. etc.) justifications for this war being thrown out there. This war is about OIL. And, I don’t think there is ANYTHING wrong with that. Oil is so vitally important to the economic and military well-being of this country, that in certain cases it is absolutely justified to seek out oil to secure our energy future.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 12:02 PM | Link to this

buff,

Here you go, ispell for IE

If somebody that uses another browser needs a spell check, I believe one is included with the google toolbar.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 12:04 PM | Link to this

ChickenHawk Bush: Harris also has Bush’s job creation rating at 34% even though normal people know that he has created 4.3 million jobs in spite of 9/11, two hurricanes and the extortion of the unions coming due. Sounds like they might be polling pinkos at Harris, you reckon?

RW: Luckovich hasn’t added the NY Sun to his favorites list, go figure.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 12:06 PM | Link to this

Andy: People who are governed by force are not free. They are being bullied into submission. We are holding Iraq by force, not by good will in case you hadn’t noticed. Is former interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Alawi (who we installed into power, remember?) an Iranian? He wants us out and is garnering substantial popular support in the upcoming election. I agree, Zarquawi is Jordanian, Bin Laden is Saudi, but to think for one moment that Islamist radicals do not have substantial deep-rooted support from the Iraqi general populace is naive, at best. Opposition grievances concern their radical religious beliefs, not their national birthplace. You can’t win a war if you don’t win the hearts and minds of the people. It is crystal clear that we are not doing that in Iraq any better than we did in Vietnam. A wise man knows when to quit a battle that he cannot win. A wiser one knows not to become involved in one to begin with.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 12:08 PM | Link to this

realist: Are you talking about the same oil that Saddam sold to France before the war began. The profits from which he took from the mouths of starving children? Nobody bears the brunt of liberal ideas the way innocent children do.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 12:11 PM | Link to this

Bill makes the point I was trying to make yesterday but alot better.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 12:14 PM | Link to this

Fake, I bet that Mike has Frank Rich’s column in his favorites. OPINION Dishonest, Reprehensible, Corrupt … By FRANK RICH Published: November 27, 2005

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 12:15 PM | Link to this

Bill, Dude: We are not governing the terrorists with force, we are killing them with it. You may not know this but the US Army does not strap on suicide belts and blow themselves up among women and children. The same women and children that you have the terrorists “supporting.” You have some really weird ideas, Bill. You sound a lot like Michael Moore.

Mooki Sadr is Iranian, if that even makes a difference to your insane little train of thought.

By Midori

November 28, 2005 12:15 PM | Link to this

And to top it off, Bush doesn’t like HORSES. Now that is a real reason to make character claims against him

you completely miss the point.

That carefully cultivated “cowboy” image is as fake as the “cowboy” himself.

Along with his fake “ranch”. And that phoney Texas “twang”. Why is it that no one else in his family sounds like that?

And his fake “leadership” abilities.

The guy is a blue blood Yankee — born in Connecticut.

His neice just underwent a longstanding family tradition in France: http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=128290&Sn=WORL&IssueID=28251 ; So let’s be real here.

That’s not to say he couldn’t adopt Texas as his home state. But that “ranch” (read: PROP) wasn’t purchased until his campaign for POTUS in 1999. That “ranch” was a pig farm before Bush purchased it. That “brush” he’s always clearing is imported for his photo ops.

BTW — why can’t Bush speak before REAL Americans, and not hand-picked and/or military audiences?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 12:17 PM | Link to this

getalife: Frank Rich is a movie critic. Do all you pinkos live in LA-LA Land? Is it true just because Hollywood made a movie about it?

By Seth

November 28, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

Fake Andy, Bill’s ideas seem very appealing, clear and nothing at all like Michael Moore’s. This a huge Michael Moore-hater, talking, too. I think it’s cheap and smallminded of you to make that comparison because he seems to have the best of you in this debate.

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this

Well, Bill, you were in one lost war and so you want us to be in another one. You mentioned that you never left this country. If you were George W. Bush, the propaganda would say that you had a rich, political father and your military service did not count because you did not go overseas. That is just to remind you of how the present political phonies operate. But you never tell us what to do about terrorists. Cringe? Let them overrun the Middle East and then us? Send Cindy Sheehan to the UN? Plan a protest march? PLease give us your enlightened ideas since you find no pleasure in your country now.

By Oh The Humanity

November 28, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

Just as I predicted Andy tries to change the subject. This time its Andy’s Michael Moore defense. Where has the Ted Kennedy defense gone Andy? You haven’t used that one in a while.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 12:32 PM | Link to this

Andy: The problem is that we are not only killing the terorists with our force; we are subjugating an entire population and thereby losing the hearts and minds of the people, just like we did in Vietnam. Turn on the news, guy. Those are M-16s our guys are carrying. They’re not riding around in sedans; those are armoured personnel carriers (and they’re still being blown off the roads). I’m not impressed by Michael Moore (just another yellow-bellied coward like Cheney and Bush for my part- none of ‘em ever pulled a hitch) but it is interesting that you are so frightened by his thoughts that you have reduced his moniker to the elevated status of name calling. Name calling is something that people are reduced to when they run out of ideas. Andy, put on your thinking cap, pop one of your pills, and let’s discuss facts. If all you’ve got is a list of loaded words I’m afraid that you’re going to look increasingly lacking in this contest of ideas.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 12:36 PM | Link to this

Fake, for a movie critic, he sure p** off the New York Sun. I am sure you have that rag in your favorites wingnut.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 12:43 PM | Link to this

Seth: You don’t see the sickness, the depravity of the idea that the Iraqi people support the terrorists? The same terrorists that are slaughtering them wholesale? Do you live in the same weird Michael Moore world that Bill does?

By sct

November 28, 2005 12:45 PM | Link to this

Speaking of family values……….. SAN DIEGO — Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham will plead guilty today to tax evasion in a political corruption case, according to a source close the investigation.

The veteran Republican from a conservative north San Diego County district called close supporters last night to tell them of his decision.

By Scooter

November 28, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this

Rove is next.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this

A random thought, off the beaten path for a moment: Are all pinkos so slow that they need someone to tell them how things are going, that they can’t see progress on their own? I hear all these comments from the libs like “he’s getting the best of you” and I wonder if this isn’t why the AJC is so successful. They give slow people play by play accounts of the world.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 12:50 PM | Link to this

Bill: So your position is that US Forces are actively firing on innocent Iraqi civilians? Am I understanding you wrong?

By The Vent

November 28, 2005 12:50 PM | Link to this

By The Vent

November 28, 2005 11:00 AM | Link to this

I finally figured out why there’s a “Slow Children at Play� sign in every Republican neighborhood. Genetics.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 12:57 PM | Link to this

Bill: A yes or no answer will do. While you are at it, I am still waiting for you to qualify this statement: but to think for one moment that Islamist radicals do not have substantial deep-rooted support from the Iraqi general populace is naive

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 28, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this

Support our troops. Bring them home.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 01:03 PM | Link to this

Why did’nt they throw a grenade in Saddam’s spider hole to avoid the fiasco of his trial?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 01:08 PM | Link to this

getalife: Thank you for the further proof that American troops are taking the utmost care to not accidently harm Iraqi citizens: Why did’nt they throw a grenade in Saddam’s spider hole to avoid the fiasco of his trial?

By Andy's Mom

November 28, 2005 01:09 PM | Link to this

Annnndyyy, get inside right this instant young man. The pinko’s might get you. Drunken Ted Kennedy could run you over! Stay away from Jimmy’s house, you hear me!! His daddy’s get that AJC commie rag. Stop running, you might run into the slow children sign again. AND STOP THAT CRYING!!!

By gadem

November 28, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this

Oh my Fake Andy, Bush has helped create 4.3 million low paying jobs. Where do I sign up to kiss his a**?

By buff

November 28, 2005 01:11 PM | Link to this

CNN gave Ramsey Clark (who should be the mascot for some on this site) some face time today. Good grief, talk about an anti-American nut ball

By getalife

November 28, 2005 01:12 PM | Link to this

Fake, Looks like you need help.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 01:12 PM | Link to this

Dusty: Bush not only did not leave the country but was excused from all but a few “token” months of service (guess that was normal selective service practice then, huh?). Cheney applied for and received 5 draft deferrments (what an act of bravery, huh?). Neither had the most remote idea of ever serving their country in combat. They instead did everything in their abilities (forget about daddy’s influence)to dodge their duty without getting thrown into Leavenworth. Cowards they were and cowards they remain. Unfortunately, good American men and women have to folow the orders of and die for the political aspirations of two men who were too gutless to serve their country when it needed them. Dusty, can’t you see that in the entire history of mankind, the one constant has been that good triumphs over evil? Did Vietnam “take over” SE Asia when we pulled out? Did Korea when we retreated to the 38th parallel and gave up? I’m sure that the Iraqis will also not invade Topeka,KS after we leave but will instead try to pursue the good life of international trade and cooperation and, like Vietnam, be more receptive to trade manipulation than military force. The question here is not if we will leave Iraq but how long will we continue to lose face in the rest of the world before we, once again, give up on an action we can’t possibly win. By the way, we won Vietnam. We won it when we left!(see previous threads).

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 01:17 PM | Link to this

Andy, Bill isn’t going to answer any questions. He only wants “ideas”. Ideas that agree with his anti-war attitudes are the only “good” ones. Hang in there but don’t hold your breath for any answers.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 01:18 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I know it gets lots in his verbiage, but Bill does give a solution.

Bill’s solution is wait for killers to get tired and if you weren’t a victim then you will be just fine, as long as the United States doesn’t get involved. In that case everything is hopeless.

In Bill’s world the USSR collapsed completely on it’s own and the Berlin wall crumbled from disrepair.

He is a pseudo intellectual that thinks that he wins an argument by out talking someone and never sees the illogic in his own position because he is blinded by his own sense of self importance.

Bill’s kind hates name calling, but feels perfectly justified in calling the President and Vice- President “yellow-bellied cowards”, stating they “never served a hitch”.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 01:19 PM | Link to this

gadem: Have you ever considered the fact that you can’t get a good job just might be your own fault?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 01:22 PM | Link to this

getalife: Conservatives don’t ask for help like pinkos do, we just get the job done.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 01:26 PM | Link to this

gadem,

If everybody is a burger flipper, who is buying the burgers?

By gadem

November 28, 2005 01:30 PM | Link to this

I am not talking about me…my work situation is fine. I am speaking for the other people that have lost jobs because of being laid off because of corporate greed, and can only get a job making half of what they once were making…I know it is there fault to for not having the foresight to choose another career….maybe like being a consultant on something that they have no understanding about. Andy, where is your compassion for your common man…after all that is the Christian way. People having a low paying job may not be there fault. I am not talking about those that chose to drop out of high school, or those that insist on doing drugs. I am speaking on those that are underpaid because they lost a well paying job, but were laid off and could only find one of those awesome 4.3 million low paying jobs that Bush help to create.

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 01:30 PM | Link to this

RW, you got Bill’s “solutions” down pat. Glad you could clear that up as he is not going to answer any questions. I guess it is about time somebody post another Vent. Liberals run out of ideas pretty fast.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 01:32 PM | Link to this

Fake, get the job done? Does this sound familiar? Mission Accomplished, the war in Iraq is over, we are in the last throughs of the insurgency. Let us not forget that daddy left Saddam in power.

By gadem

November 28, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

RW something is wrong if people that were once making 70k-80k are now having to work two jobs to make ends meet. But then again i digress. It is there problem and not yours. Remember, to whom much is given, much is required.

By Seth

November 28, 2005 01:38 PM | Link to this

Fake Andy, I think he’s stating the facts when he says that there is a not insignificant percentage of the Iraqi people who support the insurgents and want us out of there. Where is this sickness and depravity you’re referring to? You’re the one who calls him Michael Moore and resorts to other namecalling, refusing to answer his statements with facts.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this

Andy: US forces have indeed fired on and killed innocent Iraqi civilians. Same happened in ‘Nam. Same happened in Korea. In war things aren’t always tidy, you know. It is why war should only be used as a last desperate resolve. I’m, also, certain that these actions are quite remote, were unintended (except My Lai and Abu Ghraib and a few more maybe?), and were exceptions rather than the rule. If you think innocents are not harmed in warfare you need to do some more thinking. You wanted an explanation of “but to think for one moment that Islamist radicals do not have substantial deep-rooted support from the Iraqi general populace is naive”. What’s to explain. Can anyone really think that only non-Iraqis are involved in the Iraqi resistance? For Christ’s sake are there not “hot spots” of Iraqi resistance (Fallujah). Doesn’t that mean that whole towns are in armed resistance against us? Are the residents of those towns ALL Islamic radicals from other neighboring territories? What, did they run all of the native Iraqis out of town under our occupying noses? Get real, Andy, a substantial (unsuppressable) portion of the Iraqi populace is wholly in support of radical Islamist ideology. So much so that they are willing to suicide in support of their beliefs. If you think your silly flag waving and drum beating will change that kind of mentality; I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I’d like to sell you!

By getalife

November 28, 2005 01:43 PM | Link to this

What did ya’ll say about protestors and civil war? BAGHDAD, Iraq - Hundreds of Sunni Arabs took to the streets of Saddam Hussein’s hometown of Tikrit to demonstrate against his trial, which resumed Monday, while Shiites and Kurds elsewhere said the former dictator was being treated too kindly in court. Saadoun Abdul-Hassan, a Shiite living in Baghdad, stayed home from his furniture shop to watch the trial, in which Saddam and seven others are accused of killing more than 140 Shiites in Dujail after a 1982 assassination attempt.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this

gadem,

The reality is that most of the high paid jobs that actually were lost were IT jobs.

People that were experts in that field should have been the very first to realize that as they rapidly developed newer technology that was much easier to work with those high paying IT jobs would go away.

It is sort of like when robotics for manufacturing started, but at hyper speed.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 01:47 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Most of what you just said sounds like democracy to me.

By Scooter

November 28, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

Hey Cunningham, save me a bed in your cell.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

In case Dusty and Andy missed it, my solution in Iraq is what worked for ‘Nam. We didn’t quit fighting just cause we pulled out. Instead we pursued diplomatic and especially trade negotiations that in time (and with UN support) resulted in the nearly democratic Vietnam that we have today. War didn’t work then but diplomatic/trade negotiations have elicited the change that we had hoped for with miitary intervention. If we had listened to the Dusty/Andy mentality during that conflict, we would still be crawling around in the rice paddys, dodging bullets and punji sticks, and be no closer to an independent and free Vietnam than we were in 1960.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

Official portrait unveiled at the Double Wide Library and Massage Parlor

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

Seth/ Bill: I can answer both of your questions at once. What was the Iraqi woman with the purple finger smiling about? Why did their last election have higher turnout percentages than the 2004 election in the United States? Are you clowns, sorry about the name, think that these people want to be slaughtered by the terrorists? That they are cheering them on while being killed? You are arguing against common sense.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 02:00 PM | Link to this

RW, remeber this? The Al-Jezeera web site isn’t running an endless loop of throngs of protesters filling the streets of Baghdad demanding we leave.

The facts I’ve just listed are pretty solid proof that there are not massive anti-war demonstrations in Iraq, without having to be there to know that.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this

So Bill: When we completely destroyed Hitler in World War II we went about winning that war the wrong way? We should have stopped our assault on his war machine and opened peaceful negotiations? Given him more time to complete the Final Solution?

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this

getalife,

What does that have to do with the dueling protests you listed? Neither of the events you list say anything about us leaving and there are 25 million people in Iraq.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 02:06 PM | Link to this

RW. CNN just showed one second of the protestors. Damn media bias. remeber=remember. Drugs are working.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 02:07 PM | Link to this

Happy Cambodians celebrating the “Bill solution”

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 02:09 PM | Link to this

If there were any anti Coalition protestors it would 24/7 wall to wall coverage on C B.S., PMSNBC, A.B.S. and National Pinko Radio.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 02:09 PM | Link to this

RW, they were carrying pictures of Saddam and chanting to let him go free. That link of Clinton is classic.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 02:10 PM | Link to this

Andy: You assume that the woman with the purple finger voted in support of US policies. Your assumption may be incorrect in light of the number of suicide bombings, road side attacks, and organized Iraqi protests. Arguing against common sense would be when one ignores demonstrated fact (armed substantially increasing Iraqi resistance, >2,000 US dead) in favor of conservative rhetorical diatribe.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 02:12 PM | Link to this

getalife,

If the left in this country had any intellectual honesty, they would be carrying signs and demanding Saddam be returned to power.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 02:17 PM | Link to this

How did this happen with the economy in the tank?

In all, about 145 million shoppers swarmed stores and the Internet over the weekend and spent an estimated $27.8 billion — up 22% from the weekend a year ago — according to a survey of retailers by the National Retail Federation

By getalife

November 28, 2005 02:18 PM | Link to this

RW, I am an intellectual insect with a mush mind from a stroke, but would never want Saddam back in power. From my previous posts, he should of ate a grenade.

By Duke

November 28, 2005 02:19 PM | Link to this

See our little right-wing Nazis scream and twirl. Their self-loathing pours out of their every oriface. Their culpable ignorance and hatred runneth over. What a pathetically weak group of life’s losers they are and have gathered on this site.

Another good one, Michael L.!!

By Bill

November 28, 2005 02:22 PM | Link to this

Andy: You forget that America did not gladly enter WWII. It was only after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor that we entered the war. This was indeed very fortunate for us because by waiting, FDR had the complete and total support of the American people in an effort that was then proven to be just and honorable(no phony WMDs here). In that way we could all, as Americans, feel totally sure that what we were supporting was right (people were less gullible then). Prior to Pearl Harbor, there had been substantial resistance from the American public to getting involved in the conflict. After Pearl Harbor we were as one and ready to engage in real war, not the ridiculous politically motivated “conflicts” that have been the norm for the past half century.

By Seth

November 28, 2005 02:23 PM | Link to this

Fake Andy, actually, you didn’t answer any question because all you did was pose another question. You simply cannot refute the facts, so you try to change the discussion by asking another question. You’re an intellectual lightweight, and after reading all of the posts in this discussion, I have a huge amount of respect for Bill, and absolutely zero for you.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 02:28 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Most of the time I don’t consider you part of the loony left.

I’m talking about people that say the war was a horrible mistake, but it’s a good thing Saddam is gone. Like one had nothing to do with the other.

By sickoftheneocons

November 28, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this

Hello all, what’s on topic for the day? Everyone enjoy your Thanksgiving?

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this

I don’t think freedom from a monarchy ever comes easy. Have we forgotten history? Our own Revolutionary War? There were some supporters of the English king but we wanted freedom and fought for it. There are a few Sunnis who would rather have a Sunni dictator than a free Iraq. But the majority of that country has formed a consitution and government. They are winning and we support them. I believe there are over 100,000 in the Iraqi Army and they fight against those who would block their way to freedom. Why is it hard for some Americans to understand this yearning for freedom?

Bill, was your military service just “token” because you served in the U.S.? Were you a pilot like Bush? Were you a POW like McCain who supports the war? Do you consider Communist Viet Nam as a free country? You make so many insupportable claims that the list gets longer and longer.

By gadem

November 28, 2005 02:37 PM | Link to this

Fake, you actually did not answer there questions. You answered with questions.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 02:38 PM | Link to this

Gosh, I’m all tore up: Bill and Seth have no respect for me. These two go on and on about war that we lost. That is there experience with this current situation. They know how to p** away 58,000 lives at the exact moment that we had the war won. If you don’t believe me, if you think I don’t speak the truth, then ask Vo Nguyen Giap, the Vietnamese general that freely admits we killed 1.4 million of his troops and, because of it, they changed their strategy to talking the pinkos in the U.S. in to surrendering. Look it up, bozos.

Why can’t you weaklings step aside and let us try winning this one?

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 02:39 PM | Link to this

More historical inaccuracies from Bill claiming the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Bluto: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? H-ell no!

OK maybe he got that one right

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 02:42 PM | Link to this

sickof…,

We’re mostly just discussing Bill’s attitude problem until ml scribbles a new cartoon.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 02:46 PM | Link to this

gadem: Allow me to correct- The Iraqi woman with the purple finger is smiling because she has tasted freedom by casting her vote for a democratic government. Are you against this concept? Sorry for asking a question.

The Iraqis had a bigger turnout for their last election than the US did because the US is slap full of pinkos who would much rather whine and moan about our greatness than doing anything to make it better.

For real. If you libs don’t like the way things are going why not vote Bush out of office? Oh, that’s right, the majority is on my side. All you got is nasty cartoons.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 02:53 PM | Link to this

Seth and gadem,

Any fair reading of Bill’s so called questions for “whatever Andy is here” boil down to, “Don’t you see that I’m right?”

I think Andy has given more answers than Bill deserves. A simple no would be sufficient.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

Dusty: My service was indeed token in comparison to the boys who pulled front line duty. The difference between you, the Prsident, and I is that I know that without question. I did my duty and was lucky to receive a good duty station. I didn’t request/beg for it like the President. I didn’t flat out run from duty like the Vice-President. I joined, worked hard, and was lucky; not cowardly. How about you Dusty; were you “too busy with other things” when your country needed you like Cheney said he was? You really sound like the type of guy who needs someone else to do their fighting for them.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

RW: These pinkos are exasperating, it’s like they are shilling for Osama Bin Laden. I’m like Bush, though, I’ll fight to their end.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 03:03 PM | Link to this

More proof that Iraqis all hate us and support the terrorists

Andy, I think these are supporters of the same guy in the NY sun story.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 03:09 PM | Link to this

Andy: “Pinkos”, “shilling for Osama”? Just more name-calling without any logical substance. If you want your arguments to be considered, you must use facts and logic. People have had enough name-calling BS and now demand intelligent reasoned argument. Is this concept beyond you?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 03:13 PM | Link to this

Homeless in France? Why, I thought they were a socialist utopia? Would they surrender to the Iraqi terrorists?

Trouble In Paradise

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this

Andy,

You’ve got him under 50 words, a couple more jabs should do it.

By sickoftheneocons

November 28, 2005 03:17 PM | Link to this

The Iraqis had a bigger turnout for their last election than the US did because the US is slap full of pinkos who would much rather whine and moan about our greatness than doing anything to make it better.

Really? When the American people voted for our first Constitution, how many people do you think turned out for that vote? Today, I think many are WAY TOO apathetic to vote. This is what I hear from people when I come to work with an “I Voted” sticker on my shirt: 1. What’s the point? 2. It doesn’t really matter if I vote. 3. Why bother when all the politician really do for us is nothing. I hear this from both political persuasions. Why do you think that is?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 03:18 PM | Link to this

Bill: I wasn’t debating you I was talking to RW. Can’t you differentiate between people speaking to you and a conversation you are not a part of?

While I got you on the line, who would you surrender to, Osama? Or maybe Saddam?

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 03:24 PM | Link to this

Bills first post on this thread:

When we prostitute ourselves to the likes of hate mongers like Dick Cheney, it shouldn’t be surprising that we are seen as brutes by the rest of the world. When we allow our military to be run by draft dodgers and national gaurd hideouts, I guess we are saying that “cowardice is the new patriotism�. With four years Vietnam era service, I am offended everytime I see these yellow-bellies open their lying gutless mouths.

See, nothing but reasoned debate and all done without any name calling.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 03:24 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: The first part of your post answers your question, doesn’t it?

Think about it, I’m not being “mean.” Do the democrats have more ideas or more complaints?

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 03:26 PM | Link to this

How fortunate, Bill, that you know all the details and can put your interpretation of Bush’s military record here. He hasn’t hid anything so you should. No, the military was not taking my age group then, so I guess that makes me unable to be patriotic. What made you change from able to understand war to the total disability to support one for the freedom of Iraq? You seem to forget that our Congress voted for this war whether you liked it or not. Do you support your country’s decision or not? Your time of choice is long past. Your anti-Americanism is not dissent. It can be known as verbal treason. I always fight for our country wherever I am and in whatever way I can. I don’t pick my time and situation as you do.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this

Andy: this is a thread regarding ML’s cartoon, not a private conversation between you and RW or a private debate between you and I. If you don’t want response; don’t post. To answer your question, I would not surrender unless ordered to do so. I would fight to the death. I don’t see a lot of difference between Bin Laden and Hussein and I certainly don’t wish to be like either. How about you?

By Eroc

November 28, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this

I wonder if anyone still supporting this Administration is worldly enough to realize what Mike is saying here is what the rest of the world thinks. The only people who do not think there is something very wrong in America right now are the right wingers in America. It is interesting to hear from people who have gone to other countries tell you how bad America looks in thier eyes right now. (the way they see us, we invaded a country with no solid proof before hand (dont hate the French for wanting to dot thier i’s and cross thier t’s…LOL)) And anyone who keeps using the “Iraq is free now” excuse for us being there needs to be reminded that there is no way anyone would have sold congress that excuse to invade a country. The spreading of democracy is the fall back excuse that keeps the simple minded blinded by the red white and blue. I love my country so much, I constantly argue so people might see how much better we could be.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

sickof…

Did we even have a vote on our Constitution?

By sickoftheneocons

November 28, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

I believe Mr. Murtha had an idea for a phased withdrawal of troops from Iraq. That’s an idea. What would be wrong with phasing our troops out of Iraq as Iraqi military units are made combat ready? What’s the U.S. troop count in Iraq right now? 135,000? The latest figures show that approx. 58,000 Iraqi soldiers are trained, equipped and combat ready right now (I think). What would be wrong with pulling 58,000 American troops out and have those Iraqi’s replace them? Unless you agree with some liberal pundits that we never committed enough troops to get the job done over there and those 58,000 American troops are still needed.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 03:35 PM | Link to this

RW: He’s on the ropes and the referee is looking for signs of coherence.

Bill: I’m pretty sure that in all of the posts that we have exchanged, I make my position on Saddam and Osama quite clear. Why are you asking me for clarification?

You say that you would not surrender unless ordered to do so. Who do you take your orders from?

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this

Eric,

The only people who do not think there is something very wrong in America right now are the right wingers in America.

Would you mind providing something to substantiate this beyond your friends word?

By buff

November 28, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this

Hey, get, I also do not think you are a leftist wacko. Geaux Tigers

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 03:41 PM | Link to this

Eroc: Did you know that France and Russia, a small part of the “world” you worry over, delayed the UN vote for war in Iraq, based on sanction violations, for over 6 months because they were accepting Oil for Food money? (Think of the “No War For Oil” slogan for some irony.)

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 03:42 PM | Link to this

Eroc, we can tell you are not blinded by the red, white and blue. I hope your close friends like your philosophy of life. I love you and I can see how much better you could be.

By sickoftheneocons

November 28, 2005 03:43 PM | Link to this

RW, there was not an official popular vote for the Constitution, it was ratifyed (sp?) by the original 13 states but there were referendums held in each state to gauge the popular opinion.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 03:51 PM | Link to this

sickof…,

So it doesn’t really have any comparative relationship to the Iraqi vote as far as apathy is concerned.

I’ve always heard that only about a third of the people supported fighting for independence from England

By Bill

November 28, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this

Dusty: You’re not fighting for your country if you don’t question when you think others are running it down. That is the point of MLs cartoon. Unfortunately, our country’s leaders have not always chosen the right path. Remember Iran/Contra, Watergate, Monica Lewinsky, White water, My Lai, Japanese internment in WWII, the trail of tears, etc. etc. etc? We only have a free society because we as Americans are willing and able to call attention to what we question as right/wrong. It is our solemn duty to do so. We will disagree but I hope that the majority of Americans will reject any idea that dissent is somehow unpatriotic. I may disagree with you, Dusty, but I truely would fight to the death to give you the right to speak your piece. I hope that you are able to one day relinquish your hatred, bigotry, name-calling, and gain an appreciation of what it is to be a true American. You just aren’t there yet, bud.

By gadem

November 28, 2005 03:54 PM | Link to this

It seems that most conservatives here name call to strengthen their argument(it does the opposite)because if you are not with me you are against me mentality…sounds like a Bush sound bite. I am open to intelligent discussion, but name calling does not prove a point.

I would really like to know how many “conservatives” on this blog finished college.

By buff

November 28, 2005 04:00 PM | Link to this

gadem, BS. MA, Ph.D. Thinking of going to law school, but at my age……how was your Thanksgiving?

By sickoftheneocons

November 28, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

Gadem, college doesn’t matter. The greatest man in the history of the Unitede States, George Washington, never went to college.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 04:02 PM | Link to this

buff, thanks. I stand out like a sore thumb down here in Louisiana with my Georgia Bulldog shirt on. Go Dawgs. BTW, I am in Jake Delhomme? country.

By BR

November 28, 2005 04:03 PM | Link to this

I’m still laughing at all of you idiot wingnuts who complain about Luckovich and talk about how much you hate pinko libs, but you then spend all of your waking lives on this blog. All the while, the AJC and Luckovich are seeing $$$$$ with every post you make. You guys are idiots, but keep it up. There’s no better way to help keep Luckovich’s classic cartoons going strong.

By gadem

November 28, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this

Just thinking, because I have read some studies that says that the more college that a person has, the more liberal that they become. It was a question, not a dig or anything of that nature….In my experiences, there are going to always be educated fools on both sides of the aisles.

By buff

November 28, 2005 04:06 PM | Link to this

get, I will bet you do stand out. I will wear my LSU stuff all week and get abused by uga fans. Oh well. Richt better have them playing better for LSU as we are bigger and faster. But, I give you a giant advantage in the coaching category

By whatever

November 28, 2005 04:08 PM | Link to this

buff: you should have stopped at BS, because you know your last post was in fact complete BS.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 04:08 PM | Link to this

gadem,

tHis guy did jest fin with no colage educashun.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 04:09 PM | Link to this

Andy: Any soldier takes orders from the chain of command(starting with the President and going down the ranks). You would know that if you would have had the guts to serve. I obeyed my commanders in chief (Johnson/Nixon) even though after seeing what we were really doing/not doing in SE Asia, I came to disagree with the war effort. A soldier is not a citizen. He has no rights per se other than those afforded him by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He should not dissent and must obey orders. Somewhat ironically, our democratic way of life only exists under the umbrella of an entirely socialized one (the US military). Fortunately, Andy, I am no longer in active service and am free to express my opinion. It is us, the electorate, who must speak for the boys overseas who cannot speak for themselves. I was sure damn glad for the voices of dissent when I was in service.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 04:11 PM | Link to this

It will be a great game. You think the dawg fans are ready, you should see all the houses with LSU Tiger flags.

By oh snap

November 28, 2005 04:12 PM | Link to this

Bill, Andy is about to give you a fake MOS and a fake time frame in which he served. Here it comes…

By buff

November 28, 2005 04:12 PM | Link to this

Has anyone read today’s socialist column on p. A9 by Holly Sklar? It read like Huey Long’s “Share the Wealth” speech when he was running for Prez Hey, whatever? that is pretty funny

By gadem

November 28, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this

Well in my opinion, what does college teach someone that hands on experience can not teach them. Colleege has its pros and cons…hell anyone can buy a degree nowadays.

By buff

November 28, 2005 04:20 PM | Link to this

gaden, yes you can buy a degree, but not a quality degree. College is slowly being dumbed down; affected by our pathetic public schools. And, you are dead on about being able to succeed without a degree, but the stats show a degree helps financially. What has the regents scared is that young men are not going to school. Here at Kennesaw State, I think we are now 62% female.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

Bill: You sure do assume a lot about other people that you do not even know. It’s probably where you get most of your hare brained ideas from. If you would have had the guts to serve in combat, as you have told us you did not, you would known the camaraderie of soldiers that fight together and how they would do anything to protect their brothers. They especially would not encourage their enemy. Every word that comes from your pinko mouth tells our enemy to hang in there a little longer, kill more American soldiers so that it makes the news, blow up innocent civilians where the press can film it. Our enemy gives you thanks. Our soldiers don’t.

By buff

November 28, 2005 04:24 PM | Link to this

get, yeah, but I think this is near a home field advantage for UGA. LSU was just four plays from being 5-5. It will probably come down to turnovers and y’all have an advantage there. But watch that big qback for the Tigers. And, both teams drop a lot of balls

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 04:25 PM | Link to this

oh snap: That would be a pinkos game which I am not.

By Dusty

November 28, 2005 04:25 PM | Link to this

Ah,Bill, another one of your “dissent is lovely” dissertations. Tearing the country apart is not dissent. It is anti-Americanism. Your dissent is nothing more than support for the enemy. We are at war. I wouldn’t want you to fight for me because you would be running backwards waving a white flag. The troops in Iraq right now are the bravest and the best. They are the ones supporting our country and that includes me. You have forgotten how that feels, haven’t you? And don’t call me”Bub” because that is incorrect in all ways.

By sickoftheneocons

November 28, 2005 04:26 PM | Link to this

Buff, that demographic statistic from KSU suites me just fine :)

By getalife

November 28, 2005 04:34 PM | Link to this

There will be alot of these cajuns coming to Atlanta like when they won it last time. They eat good and drink good.

By buff

November 28, 2005 04:34 PM | Link to this

Hey, sick, yeah there are some beauties here. What we need is a BIG outdoor pool with a sun deck for next summer. I have a student who is so goregous it is a distraction, and, she is sweeter than one could imagine, a real nice kis.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 04:36 PM | Link to this

Andy: You don’t speak for all soldiers. I still haven’t heard you say that you served in combat. If so you do have my respect, but considering all that you have said here today; I very much doubt that. You wouldn’t know camaraderie if it bit you on the a*. All military units have it; not just combat units. Any “soldier” who does not know the most elementary aspect of soldiering (the military command structure) would have to be a very poor soldier if he ever was one at all. Any real soldier knows that all infantry men b*** about every conflict- they earn the right. I think you are full of BS and if you had ever done anything honorable in your life you might now have a little different opinion than you have demonstrated.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

Now you are talking. kis=kid or kiss.

By buff

November 28, 2005 04:40 PM | Link to this

Yeah, get, they will. Cajuns can sure party-hardy. Have you ever been to Mamou? They do the old traditional Mardi Gras

By sickoftheneocons

November 28, 2005 04:41 PM | Link to this

Careful Buff, you don’t want to end up like that teacher who just posted bond for doing the hippity-dippity with her student.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 04:44 PM | Link to this

buff,

kiss or kid. Waiting, waiting.

By Conscientious Observer

November 28, 2005 04:44 PM | Link to this

There was a powerful factor which was in play prior to the Vietnam War. The NLF’s (National Liberation Front) objective was to bring together the communist and anti-communist factions of Vietnam. There was naive trust and/or mistrust on the part of the U.S. when it came to the all the parties involved. The pre-existence of a desire to unite became a reality only after U.S. intervention. I would have to believe that all forces contributed to the inevitable outcome in Viet Nam, both good and bad. The fires of conflict will always create smoke which, when cleared will allow all to see more clearly.

That which has been made even more obvious in today’s blog is how quickly the liberal lefties will jump behind a tank for cover. Dart in and out throwing rocks because they are out of ammunition.

Bill, you argument is well thought out and delivered. The desire to unite which preceded the Vietnam war was absent in the Middle East until conflict. We’ll see!

By getalife

November 28, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

buff, I can’t ride a horse and too sick to chase a chicken, but enjoy the food and drinks.

By Amy

November 28, 2005 04:50 PM | Link to this

What Is all this “pinko” stuff? The Cold War is over, people. Does “pinko” now denote “those who disagree with me” ? Also please check out the “I like Mike” poll. It seems that over 60% of readers must be “pinkos” or America haters. And did I actually read that one of you wants Mike beheaded? I don’t like terrorists but, if I started advocating for their torture I’d be right down on their level, wouldn’t I?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 04:55 PM | Link to this

Bill: When I was in the military I paid attention, I didn’t distract myself with pacifist ideas. Duty, Honor, Country. What don’t you understand? The country part?

This is bigger than any joyride through pinkoville that Bill, voice of the enemy, can take us on-

How pathetic is it to fight for, to wish, to hope, to live for the defeat of your country? It is pretty sad if you think about it.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

Amy,

This “cartoon” has been up for 66 hours and the vote count is 991 right now. I wouldn’t get too concerned.

By getalife

November 28, 2005 04:58 PM | Link to this

buff, I got to go get another keg but they want to know if you kissed the coed. I will be back to find out.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 04:59 PM | Link to this

Amy: This is a pinko blog which is why cartoon boy gets all of the positive votes. Before you ask, I like coming here because this is where America’s enemies hang out and I can harass them.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this

sickof…,

If you’re at school I think you should drop by buff’s office and get him out of whatever trouble he’s trying to get into.

Did I give you this one yet

By Conscientious Observer

November 28, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this

Afterthought! There is no way of knowing if the outcome in Vietnam would have been the same without our involvement and the time spent there. With an early withdrawal, things may have very well been different. Let’s wait for the smoke to clear.

By sickoftheneocons

November 28, 2005 05:05 PM | Link to this

Ann Coulter and a bolt action rifle! I could jizz right now!

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 05:09 PM | Link to this

sickof…,

TMI

By Conscientious Observer

November 28, 2005 05:27 PM | Link to this

Bill, my appreciation for your perspective wained when you interjected disdain for a fellow soldier. You did not serve overseas, but I appreciate your service just the same. That appreciation should be extended to all who serve even if their last name is Bush.

By Granny

November 28, 2005 05:31 PM | Link to this

Mike: Been away over Thanksgiving and just now reading the blog. Same old crap as when I left with the same people saying the same things over and over and name calling. You are right on target with this cartoon. If the people in “Smallville” will expand their reading to newspapers from other countries they will indeed see that this is how the rest of the world views the USA. I am very sad that we have let ourselves be reduced to this level from the once strong Country that we used to be. We used to be respected in the rest of the world and now we are hated and a laughing stock.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 05:39 PM | Link to this

Granny: I bust out with a good laugh whenever I think of France. You hear how they are down to only 250 cars a night being burnt?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 05:41 PM | Link to this

Where did I hear all of this before?

Seventy percent of people surveyed said that criticism of the war by Democratic senators hurts troop morale—with 44 percent saying morale is hurt “a lot,” according to a poll taken by RT Strategies. Even self-identified Democrats agree: 55 percent believe criticism hurts morale, while 21 percent say it helps morale… .

Their poll also indicates many Americans are skeptical of Democratic complaints about the war. Just three of 10 adults accept that Democrats are leveling criticism because they believe this will help U.S. efforts in Iraq. A majority believes the motive is really to “gain a partisan political advantage.”

By Granny

November 28, 2005 05:51 PM | Link to this

Andy fake or otherwise: Laughing at France and burying your head in the sand does not change how the rest of the world views the USA.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 05:51 PM | Link to this

Speaking of posting the same old crap. Has Granny ever had a post without this sentence?

You are right on target with this cartoon

Andy,

I find it amusing that they always tell us to go read something to expand our horizons, but we are the ones that provide links from all over the world.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 05:54 PM | Link to this

Andy: Your last post was most informing. You don’t seem to give a damn about the Iraqi people or or troops for that matter. You are just another tired politically motivated pundit who can only squawk tired out-of-date euphemisms about pinkos and democrats. You care more about you precious political party than your country. Being Republican, I am ashamed that our party has chosen to embark on support for this abomination of a war. Unlike you, Andy, I very much fear that when this unwinnable war is finally conceded, it will lead to a back lash against conservative ideas (remember the 60’s/70’s?) and that we will again be saddled with decades of really rampant liberalism in response. Personally, I hope you’re right and this war will herald in a new golden age of conservativism (history does not support this view, however). I wish that we could all say “rah, rah, rah”; “go, team, go” and that would yield victory but the world doesn’t work that way; does it? It’s a lot more complicated than that, and we badly need a good decent conservative leader who can think with his head instead of his balls (I’m sad to say that I can’t see a lot of difference in Bush or Clinton from that perspective). By the way, Andy, every day I see how much we are “feared” by the insurgents in Iraq. Our dead soldiers know their fear. People who are willing to die (suicide) for their beliefs don’t know fear like you do my friend.

By buff

November 28, 2005 05:57 PM | Link to this

RW, should have been “kid.” I am happily married, but still like to look at beautiful women, and, I do not consider myself a dirrty old man, but there is something special about a young college coed who is gorgeous, and, when they are nice to go along with it, just better.

sick of, there is a blond frosh who is a life guard at the pool in the new Student Recreation Center who is a knock out.

get, last time I was at Mamou for Mardi Gras, fourteen year olds were drunk, cops walking around and no one cares, it is Mardi Gras, so pretty much anything goes, except no beads for boobs. Everyone ought to see New Orleans during Mardi Gras. I wonder if they will have in next year? Of course they will.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:00 PM | Link to this

RW: The libs think that just because they said it makes it a fact.

Look at this fact; Pew Research has the military at 70% thinking we should exert our presence in the world. 64% of the military sees, money quote, success, yes, success you pinkos, in Iraq. Guess who sees failure in Iraq?

The Media Does, Which Is Good Enough For The Pinkos

By Granny

November 28, 2005 06:01 PM | Link to this

R.W. I challenge you to produce posts from me in the past in which I said this cartoon is on target. I have never posted but once or twice before and once was on Veterans Day when I wished everyone a Happy Veterans Day.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 06:06 PM | Link to this

Granny,

You actually proved me wrong with your second post today. See what happens when we make wild generalizations, like everybody in the world hates us and we are a laughing stock.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this

O.K. everybody, is Bill not taking my posts, changing the party affiliations and sending them back to me as his side of this debate? Is that not a sign of being thoroughly beaten? You pinkos should rush to his side and encourage him to hang in there, like you do with the terrorists. Tell him that he has the moral absolution to represent the losing side now, after the way he has been slapped around. I know he already had a brotherly affection with Al Qaeda, now he should be able to began forming a bond with them.

By Granny

November 28, 2005 06:10 PM | Link to this

R.W. and Andy Why don’t you exchange phone numbers and then you won’t have to turn the blog into your instant messanger. Just a thought.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 06:12 PM | Link to this

Andy,

It’s kind of like this:

President Bush says all along that as Iraqis stand up we will stand down. The libs like “Republican Bill” say he has no exit strategy.

Now when things are progressing in that direction, they say we need to have a phased withdrawal as Iraqi troops are trained.

Voilà, it becomes a Democrat solution. Even smart libs like sickoftheneocons are calling it Murtha’s plan.

By Joe Roman

November 28, 2005 06:13 PM | Link to this

Those of us who don’t see politics as some sort of fan club can only shake our heads in disgust and confusion over what our country has become. We held the moral high ground in World War II and Korea and even though Vietnam had its attrocities, they were the result of hysteria, the actions of soldiers unprepared for such a ferocious and determined enemy. Never has an America government openly advocated torture of prisoners. As a people, we are too good to participate in this lynch mob mentality. All it takes to turn decent people into a lynch mob is irresponsible, self-serving leadership. That’s one thing our morally adrift country has in spades. In years to come, history will look back on this time as America at its worse.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:14 PM | Link to this

Granny: I know a nice French radio station you can pass the time of day with. Sheez.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 06:16 PM | Link to this

Granny,

And miss out on the fun with fine people like you? Not long ago I read that we should read dissenting points of view, I think it was about 5:31 this afternoon.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:19 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman: Didn’t we hold the “moral high ground” on September 11th, 2001?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:27 PM | Link to this

If you want to make a pinko crazy just talk about Wal-Mart. Well, here we go.

Wal-Mart’s discounting on food alone boosts the welfare of American shoppers by at least $50 billion a year. The savings are possibly five times that much if you count all of Wal-Mart’s products.

This would be a capitalists version of food stamps…

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:30 PM | Link to this

Maybe the pinkos want to keep the screws turned on the poor…

Wal-Mart’s “every day low prices” make the biggest difference to the poor, since they spend a higher proportion of income on food and other basics. As a force for poverty relief, Wal-Mart’s $200 billion-plus assistance to consumers may rival many federal programs. Those programs are better targeted at the needy, but they are dramatically smaller. Food stamps were worth $33 billion in 2005, and the earned-income tax credit was worth $40 billion.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 06:33 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

Your post contains this mysterious sentence:

Never has an America government openly advocated torture of prisoners.

The sentence has no qualifier like ‘Never before’ or an ending like ‘until now’. You seem to insinuate we are advocating torture, but don’t seem to ever actually say it.

Are you saying that our government advocates torture? If so, what do you consider torture? If not, did your post have a point?

By Granny

November 28, 2005 06:36 PM | Link to this

R.W. I will be very pleased if you do read other points of view. Since you were big enough to retract one of your statements I will be woman enough to say that maybe the entire world doesn’t hate us, just a good portion of the world. Have a good evening. My grandchildren have arrived and I will be spending some quality time with them.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 06:38 PM | Link to this

Andy: Now you’ve really lost it. More name calling and obtuseness. I think it’s pretty plain that just ‘cause you say it’s so doesn’t make it true. Actually what I said was exactly the opposite of you. You said that we would win this war (VICTORY) and everything would be wonderful in Conservativeville, then. I said that we can never win this war and that this may well cause a societal backlash that will set the conservative movement back 40 years as it did in the 60s/70s. Now exactly how did I “take your side” of the debate, thereby? Again, I hope you are right but people as closed minded as yourself rarely are.

By BR

November 28, 2005 06:39 PM | Link to this

Andy, wow there are over 453 comments and you still haven’t cited instances of widespread voter fraud in GA that the voter ID law would have remedied. I guess it’s because you can’t.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 06:41 PM | Link to this

Granny,

Enjoy them and have a good evening as well.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:48 PM | Link to this

See what I’m saying about Bill copying everything I say?: Conservativeville- pinkoville? I think it’s pretty plain that just ‘cause you say it’s so doesn’t make it true. The libs think that just because they said it makes it a fact. This is really bizarre. When does it end?

By Bill

November 28, 2005 06:51 PM | Link to this

Andy: You are truely certifiable. Copy?

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 06:51 PM | Link to this

BR,

That is a pretty foolish argument you’re making.

Let’s say your bank realized that it was possible for someone to access your account because they weren’t very strict with ID policy. They knew they could fix it, but didn’t because your savings hadn’t been stolen yet.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 06:53 PM | Link to this

Six words? No way that was Bill.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 06:54 PM | Link to this

BR: people can’t vote 10 times in one day if they have to show I.D?

I thought we were “idiot wingnuts” who “spend all of your waking lives on this blog?” What are you doing back up in here?

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 07:02 PM | Link to this

ml finally has a new cartoon up. No dead bodies!

By Frank

November 28, 2005 07:19 PM | Link to this

Well after reading the posts it seems as though McCarthyism is alive and well in the new century. Seems that no form of response does not bring some kind of diatribe from one side or the other. If you do not agree you are either a pinko or a wing nut. Oh well guess you can expect that no matter where you stand.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 07:25 PM | Link to this

Frank: Maybe so, but the wingnuts are not trying to do their country in. We will never agree as long as that is an option.

By Joe Roman

November 28, 2005 07:41 PM | Link to this

Thanks for proving my point, Fake But True Andy. A country doesn’t gain “the moral high ground” by being the victim of a terrorist attack. It gains the moral high ground by how it responds to it. In case you haven’t noticed, Osama is still at large. The Bush gang may as well have attacked Norway. they had as much to do with 9/11 as Iraq. Using 9/11 as some kind of rationale to condone torture is like spitting on the graves of those who died that day. The RepublicanS like to climb up on the cross and proselytize about “Christian values”. What hypocrites! Show me in the Bible where it says “somebody did something evil to me, so I get to do something evil to them”. I’ll save you the trouble, wingnuts. IT AIN’T IN THERE.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 07:53 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman: You missed my point. Up to the moment the planes hit the towers, we had been sweet to the terrorists, we gave them delightful little subpoenas, hooked them up with the finest trial lawyers and it did us no good, none at all. They still want to slaughter us. What you are advocating is akin to hiding under your bed. It isn’t going to make them go away.

By Joe Roman

November 28, 2005 08:01 PM | Link to this

RW, there’s nothing wrong with the sentence, but I’ll put it another way. No American government has ever advocated torture in our history. If the Bush government isn’t advocating torture, why do they oppose McCain’s bill? McCain knows what torture is. He has been tortured. Bush, Cheney, Hastert, Frist, DeLay, Gingrich, Krystal ad infinitum, ad nauseum have no idea, the panty waist cowards. The and no one they know will ever pay the price if we turn our back on the Geneva Conventions. None of them will ever come near the military, and even if they did, strings would be pulled to keep them away from combat.

By Baffled

November 28, 2005 08:01 PM | Link to this

The wingnuts are not trying to do our country in? Maybe they aren’t, but I guess the law of unintended consequences kicked in this time.

By Joe Roman

November 28, 2005 08:11 PM | Link to this

Andy you couldn’t be more of an idiot of you used your skull for a planter. Tracking down Osama is like hiding under the bed? Tell me how that works. Tell me how invading Iraq has quelled not increased terrorist attacks. Al Qaida knows they don’t need to attack us on American soil. Thanks to Bush’s policies, we are destroying ourselves. We live on a very small planet, and the rest of the world can just sit back, smile and watch us sink if we continue down this abysmally stupid and ill-conceived path.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 08:13 PM | Link to this

Which country is it you are talking about, Baffled? Usually I would go out on a limb and assume, but I’m not so sure in this case.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 08:19 PM | Link to this

Joe: We are a very big country. Even bigger than France. And we have a really strong military. Why do you think North Korea hasn’t overrun us in the South. We can handle not only 2 tosspot terrorists, Looking For Osama Bin Ladentorest and Saddam, it also surprises me that we haven’t invaded Syria yet. Maybe Rove doesn’t think the timing is right, that is beside the point anyway. You should really come out from under the bed, sweetheart, the Cons have made it safe in the U.S.A.

By J.EdgarHoover

November 28, 2005 08:20 PM | Link to this

Joe’s right. By messing with the rest of the world the bad guys can isolate us. Furthermore, Osama is dead. Killed in Tora Bora. The Bushies just can’t let that cat out of the bag or their house of cards in Iraq would be blown completely away.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 08:25 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

I’ll have to a-s-sume from your “answer” that you think the President is advocating torture.

Now, would it really be so hard for you to define torture?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 08:26 PM | Link to this

Let me see if I got this right. If a serial killer were on the loose, the best thing the police could do would be to look the other way. And then the serial killer would respect the police for their restraint and would go and kill no more. Is this the way you pinkos see it?

By Baffled

November 28, 2005 08:27 PM | Link to this

That would be this one Andy.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 08:30 PM | Link to this

Andy,

There is no question simple enough for a moonbat to run from. Let me try with this one.

Baffled,

Which country is this one?

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 08:32 PM | Link to this

Baffled: I guess you think that the United States, by killing terrorists who threaten us and others, is tarnishing it’s image on the world stage, blah, blah, blah. That these other world countries are just thoroughly thrilled to see their citizen’s blown up in the daily living of their lives and don’t figure a hundred here a thousand there is that big of a price to pay. Something like that?

By Baffled

November 28, 2005 08:40 PM | Link to this

No Andy. Terrorism is just a pimple on the elephants @ss. The neocons are setting us up all the way around. New World Order here we come.

By Fake But True Andy

November 28, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this

O.K. Baffled, that’s great. I’m down with that.

By John in Mableton

November 28, 2005 09:12 PM | Link to this

Andy is Luckovich! He and the other neo-cons are just here to drive up the numbers. They always talk about how the AJC is so liberal but it is owned by the same people that own WSB where their radical right wing gods sit and sweat crap balls on the public. Notice that they never mention that. Are they that ignorant? Maybe? But I prefer to think they are just tools, maybe even non-existant tools. Just ignore them; you cant argue with a figmant of some non-existing entity.

By Joe Roman

November 28, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this

It ain’t my job to define anything for you jerks. That’s what the Geneva Conventions are for. Your cheap Rush Limbaugh tricks are called begging the question. They wouldn’t get past a high school debating coach. Interesting how you ignored the idea ofMcCain knowing what torture is because he has suffered it while all you neocon cowards don’t have clue. You are pro-war sitting in front of your computers. Confronted with the reality of it, you’d run like three-year-olds. You want to know what torture is? Go pay a visit to some of your Sunni “democracy” heroes in the basements of Bagdhad.

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 09:50 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

If the Geneva Conventions cover everything already, why do we need McCains bill?

By Joe Roman

November 28, 2005 10:13 PM | Link to this

We need McCains’ bill because the administration is ignoring the Geneva Conventions. By putting forward the bill, John McCain is exposing the administration for what it really is-a hysterical bunch of incompetent fools who are destroying America’s place in the world and turning democracy into some kind of sick propaganda charade. Why else would they be so politically stupid as to oppose it? This administration would oppose a bill promoting apple pie just because they didn’t think of it. Hey! I think I just hit on something. Now, I know why the likes of RW and Andy support this bunch. The Bush gang is their collective role model. Spoiled children rooting for spoiled children. What could be more organic?

By RW-(the original)

November 28, 2005 10:27 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

If we can ignore the Geneva Conventions, why can’t we ignore the McCain bill?

I know one question is more than you can handle at a time, but since you never answer anyway I’ll ask two.

Do you know that the McCain bill has exceptions for extreme circumstances?

By Semper Fi

November 28, 2005 10:43 PM | Link to this

Well Bill, I have just read thru today’s posts and decided I would enter a comment about your vast knowledge. It just makes me relect back on Regan, ‘Liberals are real smart, it;s just that most of what they know ain’t true’. Ronald must have meet you at your cushy stateside military job. I did serve as an infantry man, 11Cxx. It seems you would have us believe you went down the the induction center and tried to join as a grunt and requested Viet Nam but they wouldn’t send you, as much as you wanted. By the way, we did win in Korea, we just decided to call the win at the 38th, when Chineese started showing up in the dead. Also, we were only in Nam cause the French pulled out and left us hanging. We should have stayed and won, but the Jane Fonda pinko’s supported the VC at home, causing a politicaly loss, like what may happen in Iraq, God forbid. 9/11 is our Pearl Harbor, and we won WWII because the country stayed together, Pinko comments were suppresed during that war. As a grunt, I have no problem with Bush’s service. His is as good as yours. Dicks is no different than Clintons or Al’,s. Did you bad mouth Clinton for being a draft dogger? Never mind, I don’t want answers because I will probably not post again. Read some history books in your spare time. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Over and out.

By Bill

November 28, 2005 11:24 PM | Link to this

Joe: Andy has polarized so far left that he has fallen off the board and into the sewer. Very little but name-calling and dogma at this point, I’m afraid. He is a perfect example of why it is so embarassing to be a moderate Republican these days (yes, there really are such things all you Dems). I think most moderate Republicans are looking for these things in a leader these days:

I don’t know about you other moderate Republicans out there but I’m starting to feel pretty shortchanged by the party. We are the voters that put George Bush into office twice. Had we swung Democrat(as we’re sometimes known to do), Bush’s bacon would have been fried. If I were to vote today and the ballot was Bush/Cheney and about anybody but Ted Kennedy’s co-Senator and a slick trial attorney, I might have to think about it real hard. What went on with you Dems this last election? Did you really think I might swing vote on that ballot? Even if Kerry was a front line vet, etc.; I could never support his key Dem issues (Guns/Pro-Choice) and his Mass. liberal background. Democrats: Find me a non-fruitcake; me and my friends just might give you the White House back. Fellow Republicans: give me something better than what we now have to vote for or next election, you just might be outta there.

By Bill

November 29, 2005 12:01 AM | Link to this

Semper Fi: Respect your service. I joined at the recruiter’s office; induction center (AFEES) was for processing. Did not request ‘Nam. Made no station assignment requests, requested C-school instead. Patriotic but not made of the stuff that makes men want to walk into machine guns, for sure. Were you one of those guys? 9/11 could have been our Pearl Harbor had we not blindly struck without having reliable intelligence thereby embarassing ourselves to the world and more importantly to our own citizens when WMDs were NOT found and Osama Bin Laden was NOT captured. Please do let me criticize Billy Bob, Gore, and all other politicians who claim to have love for our country but were too cowardly to pull a hitch or who manipulated the selective service system to get special favor. Have read many history books (especially regarding McArthur’s disaster in Korea and the Vietnam conflict since I was “indirectly” involved). If we won in Korea, why are we cringing every time N. Korea mentions nuclear armament? Why is the UN just barely able to hold these dogs at bay? Sorry but American troop escalation past advisors did not occur till well after French gone in Vietnam conflict. We didn’t listen when they told us ‘Nam couldn’t be won because of the fanatical character of Ho Chi Mins regulars (our ally in WWII but turned against us after we double-crossed him after the war). Don’t like the frogs but we did this one to otherselves, bud.

By RW-(the original)

November 29, 2005 12:22 AM | Link to this

Bill,

This would be more appropriate for your posts

By Dusty

November 29, 2005 12:28 AM | Link to this

Bill, the comments of Semper Fi sound even better than yours. There is one thing of which I am certain. You are no moderate Republican. Not even close. You are so far in left field you cannot even comprehend what a conservative believes. I don’t think Democrats would even claim you. Anti-war, anti-Americans are not popular in this country. You probably know that already.

By Semper Fi

November 29, 2005 12:48 AM | Link to this

We won half of Korea, just becasue we didn’t want to take on a few billion chinese for the other half, doesn’t make it a loss. The UN can’t keep anyone at bay. They’re not doing anything becasue we don’t have a paper tiger President. We’re a super power, acting like a super power. We’re not perfect but we do a far better job than any other county would do as the ony super power. Our current biggest enimes are liberal and terrorist, in that order. Korea and Iran are way down the list. We were winning the war in Nam, even with one arm politically held behind our backs. As any gunk general. They held in there due to the Jane Fonda’s and John Kerry’s of America and pulled it off, but not by their military. Anyhow, since you have brought up the WMD’s not being found so Lima Charlie, I must follow my own adivce to others. I tell them if anyone brings this up, walk to the edge of the village and dust your feet off. Not everyone can be saved, some are too far gone and to think WMD’s had anything to do with IRAQ, says one has been drinking the koolaid too long. There is no hope. Bill we must agree to the old saying with each other,’Don’t argue with fools in public, bysatnders may not be able to tell who is who’.

I must also say this to the other libs, ‘Everyone has the right to be ignorant on some issues, but you all abuse the privilege’. God bless you all, hang it there Beverly, there are no athesit in a foxhole surrounded by the enemey. I believe every able body person should spend at least 2 years in military service. I will not post again. I am only doing this becasue I am up working on a problem at work.

By Bill

November 29, 2005 12:58 AM | Link to this

Semper Fi: I just remembered that Gore did pull action in ‘Nam albeit as a journalist. His deployment was delayed though so he really spent only a total of 5 months in country (none hostile). Smells like more special selective service/military brass treatment to me. When are we as voters going to reject these infintely groomed professional politician types and elect a whole herd of Washington outsiders to clean house in sin city (DC)? Heck, since they haven’t had time to be bribed, they might even do something for the people instead of for their parties or special interests. Wouldn’t that be novel!

By Bill

November 29, 2005 01:49 AM | Link to this

Semper Fi: WMDs were President Bush’s primary stated reason for intervention in Iraq. I guess you’re saying that the President lied to us and there are other reasons for the war that I shouldn’t be naively unaware of? And it’s ok if he told this little white lie to protect us ‘cause he knows best and there were other reasons that we don’t need to know? National security interests, right? We will have to disagree if that is your thought. I think that the biggest threat to America is from old war horses and young hot-headed stallions who continue to think that America can still rule imperially in today’s global village. The world has passed you by old fella; the hungry international masses are mad as hell and they’re not going to take American interventions anymore (just or not). Now, they won’t fight us fair. As you said; we’re too big and too powerful. Now, they will hide in sleeper cells, blow up buildings, sneak up on us from behind, use IEDs, and never give up; even till death. Braggarding will have no effect on this enemy. We would have to kill half the population of the Middle East and Indonesia in order to make a dent in his numbers and base of recruitment. I’m sorry, Semper Fi, but I can’t believe that we have that ability. Ipso facto- we are doomed to failure with this misadventure in Iraq.

By BR

November 29, 2005 08:22 AM | Link to this

Andy, you STILL haven’t cited an instance of widespread voter fraud in GA that the voter ID law would have remedied. I guess I’m dropping this, because it’s clear you can’t do it.

ID or not, you still can’t vote 10 times in one day. That’s the reason there are voter registration lists and provisional ballots that must be verified. But, since you’re a crazy wingnut, you probably haven’t thought through things like details.

By Bosnian

December 1, 2005 11:09 AM | Link to this

Always remember that “Ideas Rule The World,” so choose your ideas carefully.

You could hardly hate Islam too much, but you certainly feared it too much.

By Alma

December 1, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

A large and authoritative study, just published in “the Journal of the American Medical Association� confirms that there is more mental illness and insanity, far more, in America than you find in other advanced societies. Psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom. President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!

The study led by a Harvard Medical School researcher, found evidence of mental problems in 26.4% of people in the United States, versus, for example, 8.2% of people in Italy, Serbia 23%, Croatia 21.8 %, Bosnia 2.9%, Germany 8.1%, Islamic world 3.2%, etc. The researchers were concerned with matters such as lack of access to treatment and under-treatment, but for those concerned about a safe and decent world, I think the salient finding is simply America’s high percentage. The world is being led by a nation where more than one-quarter of the people have genuine mental problems.

The finding is strangely both comforting and disturbing. It is comforting because it helps explain why Americans continue supporting a man proven wrong every time he opens his mouth, a man who has de-stabilised parts of the world in the name of creating stability, a man claiming sound business principles who has pitched the United States into deficit free-fall, and a man who arouses suspicion and fear throughout the world.

By Brett

December 2, 2005 01:30 AM | Link to this

Hey RW. You’re waaaay outclassed. You must learn to stay in your place. You screw weeth thee bull you weel surely geet thee horn.