Mike Luckovich

By buff

November 22, 2005 07:58 PM | Link to this

Mike L. can you somehow limit the size of posts? Midori is ruining your blog with cutting and psting huge articles. She/he/it could link, but does not

By getalife

November 22, 2005 08:07 PM | Link to this

Mike, This cartoon sure fits this blog.

By ohnoyoudidnt

November 22, 2005 08:09 PM | Link to this

Is that Cheney or Andy?

By Candide

November 22, 2005 08:29 PM | Link to this

Great Job, Mike! Really, how can anyone question the coming victory of Al Qaeda? Look at how many Americans they have killed so far, why it’s almost 2100 in 2 1/2 years. We only lost 200,000 in France in 2 years and they are so much better than we are. Let’s leave the Iraqi people now, that will teach them!

By getalife

November 22, 2005 08:33 PM | Link to this

So, mike, do you mean to say there is no Santa Claus?

By NeoConsMustEnlist2

November 22, 2005 08:34 PM | Link to this

Candide

Have another drink.

By buff

November 22, 2005 08:35 PM | Link to this

If as you predict, Al Qaeda is victorious, will that please you?

By getalife

November 22, 2005 08:36 PM | Link to this

What the hell is going on with this blog?

By buff

November 22, 2005 08:38 PM | Link to this

getalife, I dont’ know. I have thrown out other topics, but no one bites. It is teh same statements over and over. I feel like a tech loop is in charge

By Candide

November 22, 2005 08:39 PM | Link to this

I’m not drunk, you little sissy. If you have such great passion to see the defeat of the United States, why don’t you enlist with Al Qaeda? Or does political debate go both ways in your little punk a-s-s world?

By getalife

November 22, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this

We used to be able to come in here and do in the United States without anybody else bothering us. Why doesn’t any body respect treason anymore, why won’t they let us betray the troops in peace?

By NeoConsMustEnlist2

November 22, 2005 08:48 PM | Link to this

Candide: Please don’t be mean to me. I’m scared. I talk tough but when the chips are down, I cut and run. I would join Al Qaeda if they weren’t all dead, really.

By getalife

November 22, 2005 08:48 PM | Link to this

Last post was not mine. Someone is posting other names and probably thinks it is funny . Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

By gttim

November 22, 2005 08:59 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Mike. We don’t need to hear no radical right wing bs. America s-ucks. Who do these neocons think they are, protecting this country from terrorists? All they think about is oil, yeah, oil. That’s what Michael Moore said. Oil.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2005 09:32 PM | Link to this

buff,

I responded to your post on the other thread here

I’m afraid since they won’t put in register protection and limit post length, this thing is done.

By Granny

November 22, 2005 10:02 PM | Link to this

Ricky: I hope I don’t come off as sounding too critical but I have noticed that you frequently state that you have served two tours of duty in Iraq. What are you doing with your life at the present? I hope that you can move forward and have a career that you can be proud of. I am sure that you haven’t noticed how often you make these statements and I have tended to just skip over your posts to avoid having to read the same thing each time. I hope you will accept this constructive critizism and I wish for you a Happy Thanksgiving.

By finch

November 22, 2005 10:09 PM | Link to this

Not one of Mike’s best. Cheney’s a pig for questioning the patriotism of anyone who dares to oppose Bush’s deadly, pathetic Iraq adventure, but this ‘toon is a stretch.

It’s so sad to see misguided Americans arguing that the only way to justify the deaths of Americans in Iraq is to see that more of them are killed in Iraq. But if they truly believe, these charter members of the US fighting keyboardists and chairborne assault batallions should get off their duffs and enlist immediately. Just click here and follow the instructions.

By buff

November 22, 2005 10:17 PM | Link to this

RW, yep it is about over. My wife and I watched “The Odd Couple” tonight and some are more neurotic than Felix.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2005 10:23 PM | Link to this

finch,

This is what Dick Cheney actually said

Several days ago, I commented briefly on some recent statements that have been made by some members of Congress about Iraq. Within hours of my speech, a report went out on the wires under the headline, “Cheney says war critics ‘dishonest,’ ‘reprehensible.

I do not believe it is wrong to criticize the war on terror or any aspect thereof. Disagreement, argument, and debate are the essence of democracy, and none of us should want it any other way.

but, I guess you would prefer to just call someone a pig.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2005 10:32 PM | Link to this

buff,

The FAQ’s list a visitor agreement to the AJC blogs, there is an E-mail link to the GM of internet operations. I sent a message about the problems here.

I hope they can do something, we have some really good posters on both sides when everybody sticks to using their own name and posting links and excerpts instead of copy and pasting “War and Peace”.

BTW, that “Jump the shark” link I posted has the TV version of the ODD Couple as one of just a few shows that never Jumped The Shark.

By Anti Ricky

November 22, 2005 11:22 PM | Link to this

Hey Ricky, looks like your good friend Jean Schmidt may have fabricated a conversation when she attacked Murtha. Looks like it was her spew of hate after all, no shocker there: [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051122/apongoco/congresswomans_comments]

Just another example of a politician making a cheap shot. Lucky Murtha wasn’t a cripple running for Senate in Georgia in 2002.

How low our government (especially Congress) has sunk.

By grant

November 22, 2005 11:26 PM | Link to this

Well said. Patriotism is often the last refuge of scoundrels and fools. Carry on!

By MB

November 23, 2005 07:13 AM | Link to this

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Perfect Mike.

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 07:21 AM | Link to this

Does it really surprise anyone that Lucko will take a cheat shot at Cheney. It is almost not worth coming here anymore. The blog has gotten tired and old. The same people posting the same baseless charges.

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 07:26 AM | Link to this

Well go away then! It makes no sense whatsoever to talk about how bad this blog is, and how it’s not worth coming here, but continually post day in and day out.

Here’s a clue … get a life, or a job.

By Anti Ricky

November 23, 2005 07:42 AM | Link to this

Ricky appears to be frustrated that some of us are making reasonable arguments that contradict what he has said. I don’t think the Republicans or the Democrats are angels, not even close. However, I was always taught that the strength of a democracy is in the abiliity to criticize its leaders in the attempt to make a better country. Since the Republicans control both the legislative and the executive branches of government, and considering the very challenging times we face today, criticism against the leaders should absolutely be warranted.

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 07:43 AM | Link to this

VoR, my point was there used to be a lot spirite discussion on here. Now it is mostly people like Midori/Malachi on the left and Andy on the right that will either never admit that Bush is right or wrong

By Thomas

November 23, 2005 07:45 AM | Link to this

Considering that almost every original signer of the “People for a New Amercan Century” (PNAC) think tank charter is now part of the Bush Administration, and almost every single one of them is (or has been) a part of an oil company as an administrator. These are the same people that coined Axis of Evil and planned a war in Iraq 7 years before they helped groom Bush into office. How can you keep denying that this war is NOT about the oil? You say Patriotism? Patriotism is protecting OUR country (not theirs) from enemys both from outside and from within. Invading a sovereign country just makes more terrorist not less.

(Here’s a quote that says it all.) ‘Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but they can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for “lack of patriotism” and “endangering the country”. It works the same in every country.’ Quote by: - Herman Goering - (Hitler’s “ReichMarschall” - at the “Nuremberg Trials”)

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 07:46 AM | Link to this

Anti Ricky, I have said many times that Bush has made several mistakes during his presidency. What I object to is the constant barrage of lies and distortions that come from people like Midori, Malachi, and candide. And obviously you know that I am making goo points if you have to become the anti ricky

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 07:48 AM | Link to this

Is it your intention to make them admit right or wrong or discuss the issue? Who cares what they think! He—ll who cares what I think!

By Matt

November 23, 2005 07:48 AM | Link to this

Thomas, get over the oil for the cause of the war arguement. That has never held any weight. This war at its base is about changing the dynamic in the middle east

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 07:52 AM | Link to this

Good one Matt … changing the dynamic in the middle east! lol. Since when did it become our job to “change” other countries? Where does it say that it is our job to cram democracy down the throats of other countries? The military wasn’t designed for nation building!

By Matt

November 23, 2005 07:55 AM | Link to this

VoR, that is what the bottom line is for this administation. They see an opportunity to change the balance of power. That is part of the neocon thought process. If you can introduce democracy to new places than you should. I am not saying I agree with it necessarily but that is the deal

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 08:07 AM | Link to this

But that’s part of the problem Matt. It is also the base of why we are so hated in the Middle East. Despite our best efforts, the balance of power has made a dramatic shift — the only problem is it may not be in our favor.

For the most part, we have always had the upper hand through shifty diplomacy, trade embargoes and allies. Don’t be surprised if in the near future that upper hand is passed on to the likes of Korea, China possibly even Iran. We obviously took our eye off the ball looking at the high heater (Iraq)! All he-ll would break loose if either of those countries tried to take advantage of our misguidance.

By Matt

November 23, 2005 08:14 AM | Link to this

VofR, we are so hated in the Middle East because of jealousy. Arabs hate the fact that their culture is no longer on the leading edge. They have been passed by by the Western democracies. They also hate our way of life. They think we lead a heathen life of opulence. They have hated us for years, not just because of recent actions.

By candide

November 23, 2005 08:24 AM | Link to this

I think I know why conservatives love Cheney. He loves to stick it to you! And conservatives are timid souls who are so fed up with reality that they want to stand up and say f/////k you. Cheney does that for them.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 23, 2005 08:24 AM | Link to this

Dear Dick Cheney: Based on your history with the truth, I better send my Christmas list to the Easter Bunny. Love, Virginia

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 08:27 AM | Link to this

Matt - I’ll give you that fact that they hate Western democracies, but to say they hate us because they are jealous is a very BIG stretch. They hate us and Western democracies because we want to impose democracy and our way of life on them. They would be perfectly happy if we left them alone to just hate our way of life.

You can probably, and safely, boil it down to religion. They way of life is based on their religion, and us trying to change that is like Jehovah’s kicking in your door instead of knocking on it.

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 08:28 AM | Link to this

Dear Mrs. Godzilla, based on your hatred of this administration, your opinions carry no weith. I have freely admited there have been mistakes made during Bush’ tenure. But you refuse to admit he has made any mistakes. That makes you a zealot.

By candide

November 23, 2005 08:42 AM | Link to this

What has happened is that finally Americans are coming to realize that what comes from the government is largely propaganda.

People in other countries know this. We did not until now. At least some of us did not. Many of us.

Having grown up at the start of the Cold War I was constantly bombarded with propaganda about the Soviet desire to take over the world, about “godless communism.” About the so-called free world. About our glorious German allies, most of whom had been Fascists. About how the reds wanted to take over Vietnam as the first step towards taking over all of southeast Asia. I learned to regard most of this as propaganda and nonsense. So I opposed the Vietnam war, the two wars in Iraq. I never trust the government, even when not led by lying Republicans but only by timid Dimwitocrats.

The lesson, my friends, is: don’t trust the government. They take your money and return to you pure propaganda.

By gttim

November 23, 2005 08:46 AM | Link to this

Hilarious Mike! But would Chenney ever curse? Surely not, and never on the floor of the Senate! He is all about family values. Remember we like the guy:

I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don’t like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done.

Yeah, people are posting using other names. This is what the wingnut trolls do when they have nothing of value to add. The earlier post is not mine. (That you Sam?)

BTW, I do not hate America, I love it! I also want the soldiers home- but I call that being pro-life. What I do hate is the right trying to take over the country and run it into the ground, skimming everything off the top for the very wealthy and for the huge corporations. Sadly most of the wingnut rubes don’t see how they are being hurt by this.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 23, 2005 08:46 AM | Link to this

Ricky, I don’t do hate.

I assume you meant that I refuse to admit that the administration has done anything right. Incorrect! I sent Mr. Bush a Thank You note following his actions in the aftermath of the Tsunami. I stood and cheered in my own living room when he walked onto the baseball field to throw out the first pitch at the game in New York immediately after 9/11.

Zealot? Incorrect again. Enthusiast, patriot, decent responsible human being are all certainly more accuarte descriptions of ole’ Mrs. G. Although, Mr. G might add militant!

Remember tomorrow all we have to be thankful for. Including the opportunity to post our “insights” in this forum.

By Abby Normal

November 23, 2005 08:48 AM | Link to this

A: T** t** t** t**! T** t** t** t**!
B: Tat?! Tat tat tat tat tat. Tat TAT! A: T** T**?!!!? T** T** t**. B: Tat tat tat TAT. So tat.

Why not say something intelligent instead of the same old name-calling diatribes?

By Pinko Liberal

November 23, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

Excellent Mike! That one is going on the refrigerator and will stay there until January.

By Dusty

November 23, 2005 09:11 AM | Link to this

Well, I see all the great thinkers and palm readers are out this morning. Candide thinks France is better off then we are, Mrs. Godzilla, who probably doesn’t believe in Christmas, is going to send her list to the Easter Bunny. MB is a ding-a-ling. And our liberty loving liberals think anybody who supports the president should be conscripted into the military or the chain-gang immediately. Thus saith our great thinkers. OR some lunatic who takes people’s names and post his own crazies as a cute joke. Oh, well. A blog is a blog is a blog. We weren’t promised a rose garden. C’est la guerre! (and other miscellany) !

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 09:25 AM | Link to this

candide, you showed your true colors today. Your moral relativism came out. The Communists were evil and they did want to take over large parts of the world. The fought us in Korea, Vietnam, and they invaded Afghanistan. They tried to put ballistic missiles in Cuba. But yeah they were all good people in the end. And you think we are part of the “so-called free world.” If we aren’t free who is? I can tell that you subscribe to the Chris Matthews train of thought “The other side isn’t evil, they just have a different perspective.” What a joke. And you say don’t trust the government they take your money. Your friends on the left want to take even more of your money

By Jay

November 23, 2005 09:28 AM | Link to this

This is off subject of the cartoon but I am curious as to a Demcrat’s opinion of Hilliary Clinton running for president since there seems to be rumor of that happening.

Does she have a chance to win the Democratic primary and if so, does she have the qualifications to be the president of the United States?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 23, 2005 09:33 AM | Link to this

Apparently this morning it isn’t just great thinkers and palm readers who are out. We also have a contingent of clairvoyants who are able to divine what others believe.

By Midori

November 23, 2005 09:44 AM | Link to this

Jay — exactly what is a “Demcrat”?

Any thing like a Republican’t?

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 09:45 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G, I am sorry if I made a statement about you that isn’t true. I have never seen you post a positive statement about this administration, thats all. I too cheered when the President threw out the first pitch, and with his aid programs for the tsunami and aids relief in Africa. Also when he stood up to the terrorists instead of treating as a police action. Again, I am not saying the man is perfect, I know he is not. I know mistakes were made in Iraq. I lived it every day for two tours. But I believe he is doing the right thing.

By Midori

November 23, 2005 09:48 AM | Link to this

Buff — I am a “she” not an “it”.

You could have directed your inquiry towards me.

Someone on this blog keeps posting stuff in my name — I noted it last night.

However, for myself, I don’t mind posting snippets of articles and supplying a link.

I always supply a link.

A little etiquette goes a long way. I’m not the bogey man. All you had to do was ask.

Perhaps you will inquire the other person who keeps posting in my name.

I do believe I need to contact the webmaster again.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 09:57 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

If you want to practice your mind reading skills, this is a good place to start

By Laura

November 23, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

Dick Cheney is evil incarnate. He is the man behind the curtain running the show. If he is such a patriot, why was he ‘too busy’ to serve in the military? Perhaps he couldn’t tear his greedy little self away from the oil/money/power altar?

By Rymer

November 23, 2005 10:13 AM | Link to this

Dear Cheney’s Mother, I’ve always wanted to know: Was Satan any good in the sack, or did he just knock you up and leave the money on the table? Signed, Curious in Georgia

By Jay

November 23, 2005 10:15 AM | Link to this

Midori, exactly, Demcrat=Republican’t:)

I noticed you recently stated that you were in the military and a couple of people asked about your MOS. Did you you ever answer that question-just curious?

By Laura

November 23, 2005 10:15 AM | Link to this

Rymer: Your post is a CLASSIC. Thanks for making my day!

By George

November 23, 2005 10:17 AM | Link to this

whenever I need to be reminded of the absolute stupidity of my fellow Americans, all I need it about 2 minutes to read the baseless arguments posted here.

By Dusty

November 23, 2005 10:19 AM | Link to this

Ah, Mrs. Godzilla, clairvoyance is not needed on this blog. Most people make their opinions quite clear including asterisks, etc. Just as Luckovich distorts everything the Bush Administration does, most of our liberals do the same thing. We are supposed to judge unfair criticiam as dissent. OK, free speech, etc. But it works both ways. Your unfair criticism may be judged in the same manner. Nothing really changes. We just get to contribute our two cents worth. So, off I go into the wild blue yonder, spreading my largesse to those greedy merchants. Hasta la vista!

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 10:19 AM | Link to this

Here is the guy that our administration doesn’t like! This is who they consider a threat — I guess in a way he is!

Whodathunkit!

By Midori

November 23, 2005 10:19 AM | Link to this

Jay — I was a — 71Q/Information Specialist/Journalist.

By Jesus

November 23, 2005 10:20 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH CHENEY NOW!!!

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 10:20 AM | Link to this

Midori - when and where did you go MOS school?

By Jesus

November 23, 2005 10:37 AM | Link to this

HOUSTON - A campaign fundraiser for embattled Rep. Tom DeLay postponed by Hurricane Rita in September is being rescheduled for Dec. 5 with Vice President Dick Cheney as the headliner.

Throw in Ralph Reed and you’ve got a hell themed banquet. Its in Houston, I wonder if Kenny Boy is going to be there.

You Republicans really crack me up……

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 23, 2005 10:42 AM | Link to this

Ricky - I appreciate your thoughtful comments. I must respectfully disagree with your conclusions though. Dusty - enjoy your day shopping. RW - Mr. G sent me that a while ago, after I informed him I would no longer engage my uterine radar to locate his car keys.

Thanks to all of you, I love that there is a place to argue religon and politics.

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 10:44 AM | Link to this

We’ll see how that church/state thing works out here! Looks like the religion war is gaining a little momentum.

By kimberly

November 23, 2005 10:48 AM | Link to this

OH, C’mon Jesus… Godly Ralph Reed would never do anything illegal, dishonest, or greedy. These attacks on his pure, angelic character are getting old. I mean, he single-handedly brought back goodness and decency to the State of Georgia, didn’t he? We’d all still be wallowing in a cesspool of immorality if he hadn’t started that coalition to save us from ourselves. See you at the collection plate on Sunday! Praise the GOP! I mean um… Lord.

By Voice of Reason

November 23, 2005 10:48 AM | Link to this

And how about this for equality! If that teacher was a man, he’d be in the courtyard getting exercise time before heading back to the 6x9.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 10:54 AM | Link to this

Man, I wish I had a teacher like that when I was 14.

By The Vent

November 23, 2005 10:56 AM | Link to this

You whiny liberals need to get a life and support the war against terrorism. We’ve had one draft-dodger president, and it’s not President Bush. Take your “Bush lied� and cram it!

Andy?

By buff

November 23, 2005 11:01 AM | Link to this

midori, I contacted gm@ajc.com and suggested 1. have bloggers register names 2. limit the size of posts. I do not mind snippets and links but whoever put those pages and pages on yesterday is rude and obviously has no original thoughts.
And, it is a shame if someone is using your user name

By getalife

November 23, 2005 11:07 AM | Link to this

buff, they should include this blog under the login, like when you try to read an article. There are rules posted in the visitor agreement.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 11:08 AM | Link to this

I wonder how this got by the Boston Globe editors?

He’s not only confirming that he shouldn’t have been elected president; he’s not really up to the job as a senator either

By buff

November 23, 2005 11:09 AM | Link to this

getalife, I agree. blogs are great for news, argument and entertainment, IF they are operated properly and the bloggers behave responsibly.

By buff

November 23, 2005 11:12 AM | Link to this

RW, I emailed gh@ajc.com and they sent an autoreply that they will bet back with me about the blog. I guess we shall see

By getalife

November 23, 2005 11:17 AM | Link to this

This blog shows how divided we are as a nation. It is easy to point fingers on whom to blame, so maybe we could discuss solutions to problems. I think that all politicions should have a blog on their website because they do not believe in polls. They can look and see what Americans think about certain issues.

By Ronnie

November 23, 2005 11:18 AM | Link to this

Gosh, I hate to agree with Andy about anything, but he is right, Bush was a draft dodger and then he became not a draft dodger when he joined the National Guard and then he became a deserter, but he was no longer a draft dodger.

By Oh The Humanity

November 23, 2005 11:18 AM | Link to this

So you guys hijack a blog then whine when it isn’t set up like you want? Oh the humanity.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 11:22 AM | Link to this

Here is another on rebuilding the Gulf Coast. For the jobs that are not getting bid out and nobody wants the job, how about taking prisoners and giving money or time off for good behaviour and let them work if they want to.

By mit

November 23, 2005 11:27 AM | Link to this

no fist fights today.

someone needs to start one so i can continue reading.

By finch

November 23, 2005 11:32 AM | Link to this

RW - (the original), I guess the Boston Globe is trying to project at least a semblance of objectivity with that letter. It’s not the only newspaper that does that.

I do like the idea of some accountability here. Stealing other peoples names is SO tacky. And as for folks pasting books into their posts; that’s just lazy, selfish and a waste of time and bandwidth. IMO of course.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 11:36 AM | Link to this

I didn’t think one person could garner such obsession among you liberals but I think I’ve done it. You talk about me when I’m gone, you atribute all of the evils of the world to me and you put up silly posts using my name. I counted 26 different posts put up by my stalker, yesterday alone. Is this not a deranged person or what? I think it is kind of cute having my own little pinko Glenn Close.

All this for doing what? Presenting the other side of the argument? And the only answer you libs have is to rage and shout me down. This is typical of weak, incompetent college kids who have no other recourse. And you know what is so ironic? It’s the exact same thing that cartoon boy is accusing Dick Cheney of doing.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

Here is another some will not like. We have to eliminate special interest groups, big contributions to the politicions to get legislation passed. This is legal corrution. Seperate like chuch and state.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

finch,

That is so true, now they can run fifteen letters talking about what a fool that writer was and claim balance.

By Daniel

November 23, 2005 11:39 AM | Link to this

Happy Thanksgiving.

By Boggled

November 23, 2005 11:39 AM | Link to this

And the only answer you libs have is to rage and shout me down

Anyone else care to count how many insults, slurs and ad hominem attacks appear just in this one post, where this gentleman is claiming to take the higher ground?

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

getalife, you are right about the special interests. We need to get them out of our politics. They are bad on both sides. Getting rid of them would definetly be a step in the right direction

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 11:44 AM | Link to this

Boggled: Before you let your hypocrisy shine through and you take the high ground, why don’t you look back throught he other posts to see the standards that have been set. You will find words like fascists, neocons, warmongers and all kinds of other labels. Is it only “fair” when you do it?

Besides, what do you consider drawing the President naked in a throne to be?

By Mike

November 23, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

How is Bush not a draft dodger? I don’t buy the story about him being AWOL, but the bottom line is that he - like Clinton - joined the National Guard to get out of Vietnam.

By mit

November 23, 2005 11:46 AM | Link to this

andy always seems to come through for me. thanks. but you are calling them libs instead of pinkos. is this the real, real andy?

By getalife

November 23, 2005 11:46 AM | Link to this

Ricky, I submitted two others what do you think? Sorry about the spelling, I had a stroke and have a mush mind sometimes.

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this

Mike, Clinton didn’t join the national guard and said when he was President he would have gone to Canada if necessary to avoid going to Vietnam. But he didn’t inhale.

By Mike

November 23, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this

It’s interesting that in the last 4 elections a veteran has lost to a draft dodger. I don’t think that Americans care whether or not someone served. Republicans were bothered by the fact that Clinton dodged the draft, and Democrats were bothered by the fact that Bush dodged the draft. Draft dodging is only a problem if you don’t agree with someone’s politics.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 11:48 AM | Link to this

Real Andy,

DO you think “mit”=mike is typing? He has the lower case thing down, a few typos and he’s outed.

By buff

November 23, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this

From a Constitutional perspective how could we get rid of special interest groups? I agree, they are a sizable part of the political problem. Oh, heck, I guess we don’t use the Constituion as it was intended anymore anyway. Just look at Kelo v. New London

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this

Mike, draft dodging is a problem because it shows a lack of loyalty to your country. To say Bush dodged because he was in the National Guard is a joke. If his unit had been called up and he refused to go, then that would be the equivalent of draft dodging. Trying to equate that to what Clinton did is a joke.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 11:53 AM | Link to this

RW: Don’t try to flush him out, he’ll just morph into another nickname and then we won’t be able to track him.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 11:53 AM | Link to this

Buff, How about putting a cap on contributions? I think the Supreme Court was looking at this problem but do not know the outcome.

By buff

November 23, 2005 11:53 AM | Link to this

Ricky, remember the letter Bill Clinton wrote, I believe in 1968, in which he said he “loathed” the military?

By Mike

November 23, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

I stand corrected on Clinton - sorry. I still think that my last point is valid, though. People - and I mean the public in general, not anyone in this chat room - are willing to forgive a lack of military service if they agree with a candidate’s views but are intolerant to the same thing if they don’t like a candidate’s views.

By Boggled

November 23, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this

I call that political satire, Andy. Maybe you’ve heard of it? Satirists have played a vital role in the political process since at least the Classical Greeks. Aristophanes, Socrates…sound familiar?

Interestingly enough, an intolerance for satire is historically indicative of an opressive society. It’s the tyrants of history who have silenced the satirists. I wonder why you seem so outraged by them?

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this

getalife, individuals are only allowed to give $2000.00 to a candidate. of course their are loop holes all over the place. Look at how much money George Soros gave in 2004

By kimberly

November 23, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

I don’t have a problem with draft dodging until the draft dodger starts disrespecting the people who DID serve. Those who do their duty ARE our heroes, even if we disagree with the politics of the war. If you’re a rich kid and Daddy can get you an out, fine. Take it, but don’t be telling lies about those who served 40 years later so you can appeal to the “patriotic” vote. Don’t act like you’re a hero when you’re NOT. That’s just lower than low. With regard to Clinton’s out, it didn’t come from Daddy. It came from working hard in school and earning a scholarship. Say you’re a smart kid who has always worked hard in school, and you now have two choices: A) Scholarship in Europe, B) Get shot at in rice paddy. Which does the smart kid choose? When exactly did “smart” become synonymous with “unfit to lead?”

By getalife

November 23, 2005 11:57 AM | Link to this

And big oil, big drog companies,big corporations, etc….

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 11:57 AM | Link to this

buff,

I think the best way to control special interests in politics is to get rid of all campaign limits, but enforce full disclosure of all donations.

It wouldn’t limit free speech the way McCain/Feingold does and would end the use of 501C groups.

Allowing the donations to come directly from the original source would make it very easy to see the motivations behind a piece of legislation before it passed.

By dee

November 23, 2005 11:57 AM | Link to this

To Thomas, your post this morning, (November 23, 2005 07:45 AM) had a really great quote in it. Here’s another, you might like.

“What luck for rulers, that men do not think.” Adolf Hitler

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Don’t take this as hate speech, please, but I can just imagine Luckovich out right now painting “Death To Fascists” on the side of some federal building, probably in pig’s blood. To be obsessed with the Bush Administration like this is pathological. I just hope it doesn’t get any worse for him.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

Sorry, I meant drug, lord knows I give to them. That is a great idea RW, may want to contact your Reps.

By Boggled

November 23, 2005 12:02 PM | Link to this

Personally, I think that private donations should be eliminated entirely. Candidates should be required to remain within identical budgets. Running for office has become a game of the wealthy. There are no “common men” in Washington anymore - only millionaires and multi-milionaries. How can they be expected to represent the interests of the average citizen?

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 12:02 PM | Link to this

Boggled: You may need to sit down and think about this- I am not the one complaining about satire. You are.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:04 PM | Link to this

Boggled, Next elections?

By buff

November 23, 2005 12:05 PM | Link to this

RW That might work. i despise McCain-Feingold. Prez Bush dropped the ball on that one. He swore to uphold the Constitution, then said he thought M-F was unconstitutional, but signed it anyway. I think he figured the Supremes would strike it down, but, of course, they loved it.

By Mike

November 23, 2005 12:05 PM | Link to this

Boggled - “…no ‘common men’ in Washington anymore…” - was it any better in the past?

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this

getalife & buff,

My plan would make them too accountable, it doesn’t have a prayer.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this

We now have an 18 year old mayor, so it can be changed.

By gadem

November 23, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this

DDSS….can someone explain to me the meaning of this….

Party of Morals

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:08 PM | Link to this

RW, They are suppose to work for the people so they should be accountable.

By Boggled

November 23, 2005 12:12 PM | Link to this

Boggled: You may need to sit down and think about this- I am not the one complaining about satire. You are.

Do you think that what you do is satire?

A review of your posts show that at every turn you attack Lukovich for being unpatriotic, for being a lib, a pinko, or whatever name is currently in vogue for you. Rather than address the substance of his cartoons, you attack him and anyone who agrees with him solely on the basis of their adherence to a particular political philosophy. That isn’t satire, it’s verbal brawling, and it’s exactly what I was referring to when I mentioned tyrants.

You aren’t saying Lukovich is wrong - you’re saying Lukovich shouldn’t be drawing these things.

Lukovich, on the other hand, uses wit and humor to make commentary about various political and social institutions. That is satire. It is his responsibility as a satirist to lampoon those in authority.

I’m not complaining about Lukovich, or even any of the conservative cartoonists out there. I’m complaining about people whose sole contribution to any political debate is finger-pointing and name-calling.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:13 PM | Link to this

I think a law giving out an automatic sentence (like 5 years) or 10, etc.. for corrution may help.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:15 PM | Link to this

corruption, drugs kicking in.

By mit

November 23, 2005 12:16 PM | Link to this

mit = mike is typing is wrong and I don’T neccEssaRY type IN ALL LOWER CASE or miss spell to munch.

try again, drink coke

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:18 PM | Link to this

In the famous words of Rodney King: Can’t we all just get along?

By Mike

November 23, 2005 12:18 PM | Link to this

I’m not mit. Where did I use all lower case or misspell anything?

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 12:20 PM | Link to this

Real Andy,

I guess you were right, smoking out ml err.. mit didn’t work.

Should we answer people if we are on their “ignore” list?

By mit

November 23, 2005 12:20 PM | Link to this

they mean mike luckovich

By Mike

November 23, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

Oh, sorry.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

All I hear from politicions is the American people do not want that or will not stand for that, etc… How about putting a blog on each of their websites, so they can read what the American people really want. No polls.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 12:28 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Harry Reid has a site with a blog. Anytime you disagree with his position your comment is immediately deleted.

By Mike

November 23, 2005 12:29 PM | Link to this

Getalife: They would only hear from a subset of their constituents: those who are involved enough to take the time to post messages. That would bias the results. Polls can certainly be biased as well, but trying to gauge public opinion based on feedback to a web page wouldn’t be a very accurate method.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it kinda cute though: I call people pinkos and war losers, therefore I am a knuckle dragging Neanderthal hate monger. The liberals call me a wingnut or a neocon and it is a sign of intellect, what did Baffled call it, a scholarly trait present among all pinko academics down through history. Gosh.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

Maybe you have to word it correctly instead of spewing hate for the other side.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this

Mike,

What about hearing from people from outside their districts?

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:38 PM | Link to this

Mike, Can you gauge public opinion from this blog?

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this

getalife, I don’t think you can gauge public opinion from this poll. Most of the posters are Dems which is contrary to the voting patterns of this state.

By Mike

November 23, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

You’re right - blogs would be good for that. By the way, can anyone here tell me how to find Cynthia McKinney’s E-mail address? I’m in her district and want to get a few opinions across to her, but I can’t find her E-mail address posted anywhere.

By mit

November 23, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this

i perfer reading the hate spew that comes out the mouths of both sides.

if you all get along then i have to find another blog to read.

By gadem

November 23, 2005 12:42 PM | Link to this

This is also a good read…

Things that make you go hmmmm

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:43 PM | Link to this

Ricky, You meant blog? I see two sides on this blog but it could be an illusion. I am a sick man with a mush mind, but I know there are smart people here with ideas?

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 12:44 PM | Link to this

gadem, do you think we have failed in Iraq? If yes, why do you feel that way.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 12:45 PM | Link to this

RW: I kind of like mit, it’s like an affection you would show a stray dog. {Satire!!}

I have some yardwork and a little bit of cooking to do for tomorrow, I will be back. If my little pinko Glenn Close shows up, don’t believe a word she says, especially about the d-amn rabbit.

By Mike

November 23, 2005 12:45 PM | Link to this

Getalife - on your last comment - absolutely not! This is a group of people who enjoy arguing about politics and are willing to put up with the crazy stuff like someone impersonating Andy and flinging around epithets. I don’t think that we are representative of the public at large - most people just don’t care this much about politics and don’t really like to argue. Though our opinions will reflect the views of the Metro Atlanta area to a certain extent, I think that we’re going to be skewed toward the extremes.

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 12:46 PM | Link to this

getalife, I am not saying both sides aren’t represented. They are. But there are more Dems than Repbulicans and that is not representative of our state. I am saying that most blogs aren’t representative of their region or ideas.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 12:50 PM | Link to this

My point is this. Blogs are a great way for other people to hear your opinion and ideas without spewing hate for the other side.

By Midori

November 23, 2005 12:52 PM | Link to this

Voice of Reason

Midori - when and where did you go MOS school?

1979; Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana — Defense Information School.

By Talon News

November 23, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

Andy is a true American hero, you folks should embrace him like I do ;)

Jeff O-O

By gadem

November 23, 2005 12:54 PM | Link to this

Well Ricky, what is the measuring stick that you are using to determine success and failure? In my opinion the successes would be: ~Getting Sadaam out of power ~Killing his sons

Failures: ~Stemming the wave of terrorism

Jury is still out: ~Spreading democracy.

By rene

November 23, 2005 12:55 PM | Link to this

the president should start drinking again; it would most certainly increase his honesty…

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 12:58 PM | Link to this

I think we been successful in alot of ways. Getting Saddam and his sons like you said. Giving the Iraqis a choice to determine their future and getting them invovled in the political process. I think we have been able to kill and capture a lot of bad guys. Some of the failures would include the handling of the immediate aftermath of the ground war. We are getting better but still have a way to go. We haven’t done a good job keeping foreign fighters out. The jury is still out overall, but we are moving in the right direction.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 01:17 PM | Link to this

Ricky, Do you think we will be able to stop the Shiites from getting payback on the Sunnis?

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 01:20 PM | Link to this

Mike,

If you don’t have Cynthia McKinney’s email yet, you should be able to contact her from here

By George

November 23, 2005 01:50 PM | Link to this

Nah, dubya doesn’t need to start drinking. He needs to call old slick Willy for the offical presidential bong. Can you imagine what’d happen in the Whitehouse if dubya got fried more often?

By Jarhead

November 23, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

I’m all for taking the fight to your enemies’ doorstep but what some of you seem to have overlooked is that they can easily bring the fight back to our front door, back door and all around. I served my country proudly some now 25 years ago and I’m beginning to see a smilarity between our involvement in Iraq and the Soviet involvement in Afghanistan.

By Peter

November 23, 2005 02:02 PM | Link to this

I wonder (given the benefit of hindsight, knowing now that there were no WMD and knowing now what a disaster the battle plan was) what would have happened if our response to 9/11 was to send Karen Hughes into the Middle East to address the situation with international sympathy on our side rather than into the middle of the turmoil when nobody is listening. Makes me kind’a wonder if we really were down to the last option when we launched shock and awe. Was the situation unmanageable then or is it unmanageable now?

By getalife

November 23, 2005 02:30 PM | Link to this

I am watching CNN on the deal with Citco (Venezuala owned) to get cheaper oil for low income families and am thinking what the hell is going on here. Looks like they bypassed the big oil companies and cut a better deal?

By getalife

November 23, 2005 02:37 PM | Link to this

That kind of sounds like a solution to a problem.

By Netbanker

November 23, 2005 02:39 PM | Link to this

Just out of curiosity did those who currently criticize Mike for his cartoons about this administration have the same complaints when he was picking on the previous administration?

I think that one of the best things that we could do for this country would be to have term limits on serving in Congress. We’ve ended up with a somewhat small group of career politicians from both parties that have been around for eons. They are th ones who are most influenced by the lobbyist and big bucks from business. The interest in Congress any more isn’t what is good for the country or people, but what will keep me in this cushy job that is insulated from the realities of the common citizen. You have to question their priorities when fund raising is the #1 time consuming activity of our elected officials. When under term limits one is no longer beholden to anyone and can make hard decisions without fearing whether one will be elected again…think base closings and PORK barrel politics. We’ve ended up with a national body made up of people primarily focused on local concerns rather than the good of the nation as a whole.

I’d also like to see an amendment that states that admendments to legislation MUST be germaine to the main topic addressed by the bill. That way no spending for this or changing that gets snuck into bills that are hundreds of pages long. Voting records become meaningless except for political fodder. An example that comes to mind…the attack on Kerry for voting for and then against post-invastion funding of Iraq. He and a few other Senators voted against the bill because the source of the funding was stripped from the original bill when it was re-presented for a vote to the Senate…he was doing the right thing in a time of excessive spending, but it allowed his opponents to claim flip/flop. That is but one example of the beltway hooey that occurs on BOTH sides of the aisle.

By gadem

November 23, 2005 02:41 PM | Link to this

Peter, I think it is unmanageable now. Why you ask…it is a no win situation. Regardless who you kill, it is always someone taking the leadership role. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but Al-Queda does not have a traditional gang make-up. Where there is a leader, and so on and so on.

By kimberly

November 23, 2005 03:12 PM | Link to this

NetB - as always, good comments and suggestions. I wish more people would stop posturing long enough to pay attention to these things.

By william

November 23, 2005 03:14 PM | Link to this

Regarding term limits for congress: it will only work if imposed on all states. Some states have term limits in place. It effectively shoots them in the foot since the congressional power scheme is based on seniority.

Regarding ammendments to legislation: there is an easier way to solve the problem of unrelated ammendments and that is to grant the president a line item veto. That way he could strike the “bridge to nowhere” out of the highway bill. Given a widely used line item veto, congressmen would grow loathe to submit obvious pork in the first place.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 03:18 PM | Link to this

These are good. RW posted a link at 1:20 if you would like to cut and paste and send to your Representative.

By Netbanker

November 23, 2005 03:27 PM | Link to this

William…very good points, especially on the term limits. I would suggest that the term limits be an amendment to the U.S. Consitution.

While easier to implement I’m not sure that the line item veto is a good enough safe guard or solves the problem. First it must be widely used as you state, but it still allows for the possilbity of too much partisanship. A President can line item veto only those amendments that were added by the other party.

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

NetB, you make some good comments. I agree with you on the term limits it would definetly help. You are absolutely correct when you say career politicians are more worried about getting elected than doing what is right. In theory, I agree with you on the amendment issue. There is too much pork barrell spending and tag alongs added on to bills. Kerry created his own problem though with how he phrased it and then he didn’t explain it well. But in totality, I think what you are proposing would be good for our Congress and political climate, which I think have reached an all-time low. As for Lucko’s cartoons, as a conservative I understand that he is a political cartoonist and makes fun of our politicians. Got that. What bothers me and what I think is different about his cartoons on republicans is that he makes it a personal attack. And maybe I am seeing this clouded eyes. But that is how I see it.

By Dusty

November 23, 2005 03:34 PM | Link to this

Well, I scroll back a bit and what do you know? Mike Luckovich is a political satirist. And the ancient Greeks had them too.(and the peak of their civilization is now gone). I don’t care if the Greeks, Adam & Eve, t.Rex and Neanderthal man had them, Luckovich is a propaganda machine turning out anti-war, anti-Bush material. He is open to criticism just as much as anybody else who throws their stuff to the public. He is one of these “I hate the war but not the troops”. And George W. Bush is Commander-in-chief of the troops and Luckovich draws pictures of him that would bring punishment in public schools. But that is OK, according to liberals who will forsake everything for politics. Just don’t give me any sweet talk about him being funny or informational. He is neither and only appreciated by —well—err—(I’m trying to think of something nice)—malcontents.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 03:37 PM | Link to this

William,

I’m pretty sure that the line item veto was enacted during Clinton’s term, but the Supreme Court struck it down because it gave the Executive branch too much power.

By Netbanker

November 23, 2005 03:44 PM | Link to this

I hope that our experience with Iraq will make us far more cautious about actively attempting to change another country’s political structure without being invited to do so or without considerations that the ‘country’ was artifically created. Democracy in whatever form is a very messy business without guaranteed outcomes.

It’s great that Iraqis are able to vote and have a choice, but my prediction is that we aren’t going to be very happy with the outcome once it’s all said and done. Based on our own experiences as citizens of America we tend to assume that an elected government will be similar to our own Republic and reflect it’s values of openness, freedom, equality. For example, Iran has elections and we are most definitely not happy with their government.

By kimberly

November 23, 2005 03:51 PM | Link to this

Okay Duster. We’ll try REAL hard not to give you any sweet talk. Gosh that’ll be tough, ‘cause you just inspire us all to talk sweet.

By sct

November 23, 2005 03:53 PM | Link to this

All this talk of term limits has me nostalgic. Remember that Republican marketing ploy a few years back promising things like term limits, Balanced Budget Amendment, abolishment of the education department?

Now look, some of the congressmen are on what their 5th term, the budget, yikes, and of course that grand No Child Left.

You Republicans are easy.

By Boggled

November 23, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, Dusty…perhaps you’d like to answer a few questions for us. Please - share your wisdom.

1) How is Lukovich not a satirist? 2) How does the fate of the ancient Greek city-states in any way have any bearing on the historical role of the satirist? 3) Explain how criticising the Commander-in-Chief equates to criticising the troops. 4) Define propaganda correctly, and explain how this relates to Lukovich 5) What supposed offenses would cause your imagined “public school” punishment? 6) Malcontents…so, anyone who disagrees with you is a malcontent?

I’ve got more, but I’m really too busy laughing.

By Netbanker

November 23, 2005 04:05 PM | Link to this

Ricky…you’re absolutely right that Kerry created his own problems with the explanation on that vote.

Dusty…was Luckovich a propaganda machine when he was trashing the Clintons? Do you not believe it’s possible to be against the reasons we went to ‘war’ and the decision maker’s reasoning, but also realize that those who are deployed are following orders and weren’t the decision makers? Isn’t that like saying I have to blame the guy who laid the tile in a building that collapses due to a contractor cutting corners with substandard materials if I blame the contractor?

By Netbanker

November 23, 2005 04:11 PM | Link to this

I grew up next to and on a military base. Based on comments I heard over many years about having to carry out bone head orders I tend to believe that those carrying out the orders don’t necessarily take it as a personal criticism when someone criticizes the person who gave the orders.

By sct

November 23, 2005 04:17 PM | Link to this

What is propaganda?

Hiring journalists to write good stories to support your position?

Having a fake newsman ask questions at presidential news conferences?

Changing scientific evidence to match ideology?

By kimberly

November 23, 2005 04:22 PM | Link to this

Good examples, sct. You forgot horse dookie and blatant lies.

By Ricky

November 23, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

Sct, most of the Republicans who were part of the Contract with America did abide by their term limits. And they did balance the budget, which Clinton takes credit for but was started by the Republicans in Congress. The problem now is that Bush is not a fiscal conservative. I wish we would spend less and it appears we are finally going to start cutting spending. Hopefully that will continue. And as for the No Child Left Behind that was a bi-partisan effort. Remember good ole Teddy Kennedy talking about what a great bill it was. So you can’t blame that all on Bush

By candide

November 23, 2005 05:07 PM | Link to this

Someone suggested that Satan was Cheney’s father. No need for this. Cheney developed his evil doctrines and attitudes by being a Republican. Very simple.

The Republican Party has for at least ninety years taught the equivalent of Fascism.

By buff

November 23, 2005 05:12 PM | Link to this

RW, you are absolutely correct. Clinton signed the line item veto but the Supremes left that took too much power from teh legislative branch

By buff

November 23, 2005 05:17 PM | Link to this

I noted that today the tone on this blog is more civil. So just from my aspect, thanks to all who are behaving with more intellect; I am trying too. I have read some really good ideas and arguments on this site from all sides.

And, whether you be left or right Dem or GOP may you and yours have the happiest of Thanksgivings

By Dusty

November 23, 2005 05:20 PM | Link to this

Dear Boggle, Noogle and snippy Kim—I must hurry. So many questions. So little time. #1—Luckovich is defintely an anti-war satirist even as we are at war.

If you people would use your own dictionary, it would save me a lot of time.

By DrT.

November 23, 2005 05:27 PM | Link to this

What’s all this about Bush wanting to bomb Al Jazeera?

By Daniel

November 23, 2005 05:36 PM | Link to this

It’s time for everyone to give it a rest. May all (I mean: ALL) of you have a Happy Thanksgiving. It is time for us to take a moment to give thanks for all our blessings.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 05:39 PM | Link to this

DrT,

The allegations were made by an unnamed source in the Daily Mirror newspaper.

This appears to more British rumor

By DrT.

November 23, 2005 05:49 PM | Link to this

I just heard about an hour ago that the U.S. has invoked a law about revealing government secrets in that case with the British and that the British have arrested or fired two members of Blairs inner circle for leaking the memo.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 05:50 PM | Link to this

DrT.: The real question is why hasn’t he bombed Al Jazeera?

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 05:53 PM | Link to this

Real Andy,

That was the only good thing about the Clinton war plan, from 50,000’ it’s easy to say oops.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 05:53 PM | Link to this

Hey Andy, was that you on the vent today?

By getalife

November 23, 2005 06:06 PM | Link to this

By The Vent

November 23, 2005 10:56 AM | Link to this

You whiny liberals need to get a life and support the war against terrorism. We’ve had one draft-dodger president, and it’s not President Bush. Take your “Bush lied� and cram it!

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 06:06 PM | Link to this

getalife: No, they don’t like my vents.

By getalife

November 23, 2005 06:10 PM | Link to this

It had my name in there, so I guess I got posted on the vent.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 06:14 PM | Link to this

getalife: All of the elites are on vacation at the AJC. This leaves the wheels of power in the hands of normal people. There were a bunch of conservative vents and articles today. I especially liked the pro “voter id” article in Cynthia Tucker’s spot with a vacation picture of her underneath of it. I don’t think the AJC workers like her very much.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 06:26 PM | Link to this

The Real Andy,

It even spread to the business section. There’s a story about jobs coming in and another about low gas prices.

AJC Thanksgiving shift: CHANGE THE LOCKS!

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 06:38 PM | Link to this

RW: Every holiday it’s like getting the Washington Times in Atlanta.

By Talon News

November 23, 2005 06:41 PM | Link to this

If I were to send a vent it would be, “Down with the pinko liberal media.”

Jeff O-O

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 06:48 PM | Link to this

I’m not posting Mark Steyn’s whole article but this little snippet deserves special attention-

Happily for Mr Zarqawi, no matter how desperate the head-hackers get, the Western defeatists can always top them. A Democrat Congressman, Jack Murtha, has called for immediate US withdrawal from Iraq. He’s a Vietnam veteran, so naturally the media are insisting that his views warrant special deference, military experience in a war America lost being the only military experience the Democrats and the press value these days. Hence, the demand for the President to come up with an “exit strategy”.

Steyn Is The Man

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 06:55 PM | Link to this

Ann Coulter! A Day Early!!

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 07:26 PM | Link to this

Andy,

This Ann Coulter? OK that link is for sickof…

I love this line:

By a vote of 403-3, the House of Representatives wasn’t willing to bet that “the American people” want to pull out of Iraq. (This vote also marked the first time in recent history that the Democrats did not respond to getting their butts kicked by demanding a recount.)

By getalife

November 23, 2005 07:31 PM | Link to this

Pathetic, very sad.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 07:32 PM | Link to this

My favorite Coulter line this week-

It is simply a fact that Democrats like Murtha are encouraging the Iraqi insurgents when they say the war is going badly and it’s time to bring the troops home. Whether or not there is any merit to the idea, calling for a troop withdrawal — or “redeployment,” as liberals pointlessly distinguish — will delay our inevitable victory and cost more American lives.

By Oh The Humanity

November 23, 2005 07:36 PM | Link to this

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today.� Floor Statement, Tom Delay, 4/28/99

By ChickenHawk Bush

November 23, 2005 07:43 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of U.S. workers filing new claims for jobless benefits grew by a larger-than-expected 30,000 last week, government data showed Wednesday, taking claims to their highest point since mid-October.

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 07:47 PM | Link to this

Hugh Hewitt has some advice on what to do when a moonbat tries to spoil Thanksgiving dinner

Oh The Humanity,

Why is it if we mention the Clinton administration we’re told that things said in the ‘90’s don’t matter?

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 07:52 PM | Link to this

National Review has several articles today that hit the nail on the head. It is the job of the State Department, The National Intelligence Agency and the CIA to formulate our national security policy. They should have a clear, concise plan for pursuit of the war in Iraq. They should be actively undermining the Iranian government, the biggest sponser of terrorism in the World, by providing assistance to the pro democracy movement.

But no, we have impotent agencies that are slap full of pinkos. They spend more time with Vanity Fair cover shoots and covert operations against the Bush Administration than they do protecting the United States.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 07:59 PM | Link to this

chickenhawk: This was lifted directly from the business section of the AJC, right above the part you posted-

The four-week average climbed by 1,250 to 323,250 from 322,000. Economists say a four-week average below 350,000 typically indicates an improving job market.

By The72John

November 23, 2005 08:15 PM | Link to this

I’m curious, Dusty…are you truly as uneducated as you sound?

1) …even as we are at war. Uh. Yes, that is when anti-war satire tends to come to the forefront. To use the Greeks yet again, it’s called “Lysistrata”. Read it. If you can.

2) The Greeks - Silly man…the city-state of Athens, particularly, is responsible for the concept of Democracy. Those who do not understand history, as Dusty apparently doesn’t, are doomed to repeat it. Dusty, the idea of satire didn’t END with the Greeks, it started with them and continued on throughout Western history. You might try actually reading before you squawk.

3) The Commander-in-chief…last time I checked the troops weren’t responsible for the decisions of their leaders. I don’t agree with all the policies of my CEO, so if someone else criticizes him, I don’t exactly feel threatened. It’s called not being in high school any more, Dusty.

4) Propaganda - the operative phrase is for the purpose of helping an institution. I realize that the distinction escapes you, but it’s really simple. A PROPAGANDIST is someone with a vested interest in a particular philosophy. A SATIRIST criticizes those in power, whomever they may be. Lukovich fits the second definition, silly. Not the first.

5) Public school art classes - Well, my high school art classes included figure studies and nudes. Not sure what YOU’RE talking about, but regardless, perhaps you don’t realize that the use of the nude is part of EVERY artists education. Only uptight puritanical prudes actually get upset by a cartoon drawing of someone with no clothes on, particularly when there are no “dirty” parts showing. Your immaturity is coming through, yet again…

6) Malcontents…Yet again Dusty labels those who disent as somehow less. The traditional use of “malcontent” is perjorative. Apparently, Dusty would have us believe that disagreeing with a particular set of policies is wrong, and indicative of basic developmental flaws. Apparently, Dusty doesn’t understand the political process.

It’s OK Dusty…really! We get it. You’re a status quo guy, and you don’t like people who are different. That’s the sign of an underdeveloped mind, but really, it’s OK. You’re obviously a product of your education, or lack thereof.

Cheers!

By RW-(the original)

November 23, 2005 08:31 PM | Link to this

Starting here and going on for a few posts are some Clinton era luckuvich cartoons Andy dug up

It certainly doesn’t look like ml goes after the President regardless of party. In fact, you might just call him a propagandist.

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 08:50 PM | Link to this

The72John: I believe Dusty may have stepped out and I don’t want to keep you waiting for an answer-

As far as taking our cues as a nation from Greece, I believe the last official act before the fall of the Roman Empire was the adoption of homosexual marriage. You might want to think about that one.

It shouldn’t be that hard to figure out that our troops have a leader. They are not nomads wandering the desert. When you impugn that leader and his mission, you demoralize the troops and encourage the enemy. Each action has an opposite equal reaction, silly.

You are correct that propaganda is not the correct word to use. Unfortunately you substituted “satirist” which is also incorrect. We should look at using “pacifist” it is more apt for this situation: Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes.

I think artist are weird, that’s a subject for another day however..

Again, I agree with you that malcontent is not the proper description for this situation, Dusty should have used “subversives” to describe his subjects.

Status Quo would be losing the last 3 wars that we let you pinkos offer your advise on. I think this time we are going to be the ones who are “different.”

By Noah

November 23, 2005 09:28 PM | Link to this

Ahh, the John71vs.Andy. Should be interesting.

By Harold

November 23, 2005 09:44 PM | Link to this

Could someone please define a “pinko” again. I just find that the funniest expression…

By The Real Andy

November 23, 2005 09:56 PM | Link to this

Harold: You must not be a lib because they don’t find it funny ;-).

pinko One entry found for pinko.

Main Entry: pinko Pronunciation: ‘pi[ng]-(“)kO Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural pink·os also pink·oes : a person who holds advanced liberal or moderately radical political or economic views

By The72John

November 23, 2005 11:45 PM | Link to this

Points off, Andy, for confusing Ancient Greece with the Roman Empire. And more points off for the childish homophobia (and ignorance) evidenced by the gay marriage comment. Perhaps you should do a little more reading about the roots of western Democracy before you claim to support its international spread?

Points off again, Andy, for missing the point. I never said we should take our cues from Greece (even though, again, our Democracy owes its origins to that civilization). I DID say that the role of the satirist has existed at least as long as that august civilization. But of course, you will twist anything to suit your narrow point of view.

More points off, Andy, for believing that dissent in the face of war equates to comforting the enemy. It’s sad that you don’t understand the basis of this country, and even sadder that you lack a basic knowledge of the philosophies of many of its great patriots, who on many occassions stated flatly that to remain silent when one disagreed with the policies of ones leaders was to betray the very foundation of our nation.

Perhaps one day you’ll be able to discuss politics like an adult, with a historical and philosophical foundation to support your hysterical rants against those who disagree with you. Until then, I pity you. The world is surely a sadder place with people like you in it.

By Harold

November 24, 2005 12:06 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the definition Andy. You must have rubbed 72John the wrong way, he seems a bit miffed.

By RW-(the original)

November 24, 2005 12:23 AM | Link to this

T72,

Don’t pretend for a second that dissent doesn’t give aid and comfort to our enemies.

That doesn’t mean true dissent shouldn’t be raised when called for or even that crass posturing for cheap political points should be stifled. Our republic is strong enough to handle either.

So you can hide behind the words of true patriots to exercise your right to free to speech. Just remember that the very ones whose words you use to cloak your sedition knew that dissent might at times be justified, but they also understood that dissent would always embolden our enemies.

By The Real Andy

November 24, 2005 07:17 AM | Link to this

The72John: By all means John, let’s look to Greece for all of our cultural and moral precedents, after all they are such a strong power in the world today.

Concerning dissent in a time of war, how about if we don’t rely on your high minded pompous cocktail party views for our example, I say let’s use recent history for a guide. The Vietnamese waited us out; after they had lost the war militarily they shifted their battle so that it incorporated the goals of the American pinko. It wasn’t long before the United States suffered its first defeat.

Perhaps one day you will leave the university campus and take a tour of the real world, John. With any luck, you will be able to stifle your arrogant impulses and open your eyes to the facts.

Happy Thanksgiving!

By The Real Andy

November 24, 2005 07:21 AM | Link to this

November 24, 2005 07:17 AM | Link to this

The72John: By all means John, let’s look to Greece for all of our cultural and moral precedents, after all they are such a strong power in the world today.

Concerning dissent in a time of war, how about if we don’t rely on your high minded pompous c-ocktail party views for our example, I say let’s use recent history for a guide. The Vietnamese waited us out; after they had lost the war militarily they shifted their battle so that it incorporated the goals of the American pinko. It wasn’t long before the United States suffered its first defeat.

Perhaps one day you will leave the university campus and take a tour of the real world, John. With any luck, you will be able to stifle your arrogant impulses and open your eyes to the facts.

Happy Thanksgiving!

By buff

November 24, 2005 10:55 AM | Link to this

I do not like the title “War on Terror.” It should be “War on Islamo-fascims,” but, because policitcal correctness, of course no one besides talk radio uses the term. Protest all you want, but realize you are aiding the enemies of our nation, our culture and our existence. Dissent is alway sneeded, but how should it me implemented. I was in Nam in 1970 and believe me, protests hurt the morale of the troops. Read General Giap’s assessment of the aid Fonda, Kerry, the media and the left in the USA aided the commies. He said without your, meaning leftitsts and the media, the USA would have won the war.

By joyve meadows

December 1, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this

I LOVE THE CHENY LETTER TO SANTA CLAUS. MIKE FOR PRESIDENT AND CHENEY HIS VP. GIVE HIM ——!!!!! mike