Mike Luckovich

By candide

November 21, 2005 06:57 AM | Link to this

The GOP has never had any clothes. That has been the secret of its success but now will become the secret of its downfall. Unless the American public is even dumber than I have thought. After all, a people which so largely says it believes in the vicarious atonement wrought by the brutal killing of a deranged Jewish carpenter allegedly the son of God — well what can you expect from a people so deluded and so stupid?

As Voltaire said: Ecrasons l’infame! (For those of you still doing the O’Reilly boycott of France, this means Let us wipe out that infamous thing, namely Christianity.)

By Andy

November 21, 2005 07:21 AM | Link to this

I must bow to the vast intellect of the pinkos on this one. The depth of their unfathomable thought, their profound nuance, why, cartoon boy has displayed the full range of liberal wisdom.

Yeah, right. From now on, since Conservatives seem to have made themselves at home here in the land of the pinko, I will start offering an alternative cartoon so that y’all won’t be bored to freaking death by this lib.

A Real Cartoonist

By Anti

November 21, 2005 07:37 AM | Link to this

I find it amazing how Republicans think anyone who is against the war must also be against the troops. Case in point— Rep. Schmidt of Ohio and her attack on Rep. Murtha last week: “cowards cut and run, Marines never do.” Has Jean Schmidt ever been in the armed forces? No. Murtha sure has.

I have family currently serving in the armed forces. One is currently in his second rotation in the Middle East. He has told me the same concerns that Murtha did, that the Iraqis don’t want us there and that we need a better strategy to control the country. So, for all you righties that are going to post in complaint about Luckovich’s cartoon, how about laying off the “anti-troop” stuff, ok? The war is led by civilians, and that’s where the debate should focus—politician v. politician.

By George

November 21, 2005 07:39 AM | Link to this

Luckovich is just pointing out the obvious here. This cartoon would be really funny if it weren’t so true. Unfortunately, it has taken the American public quite a few years to take their blinders off to see that the emperor er president has no clothes.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 07:58 AM | Link to this

Yes, Ben, that’s what the pinkos want-

2.) It is not just a guess, but a certainty that if the U.S. were to abruptly withdraw from Iraq, as the Democrats are urging us to do, there would be a bloodbath in Iraq far worse than what we have seen so far. There would be outright civil war, large scale massacres of civilian populations beyond what we have seen by an order of magnitude, and a Middle East in chaos as Iran, the Kurds, and the Sunnis fought it out for land and oil and power. The word of the United States would be mud. Is this really what the Democrats want? Can they really contemplate with calm equanimity the mass murders that will follow a sudden U.S. withdrawal?— Ben Stein, AmSpec, 11/21/05

By buff

November 21, 2005 08:11 AM | Link to this

Candide, why do you hate Christians? If your hero Al Zarqawi is dead, what will you do? And, are you a relative of Cindy Sheehan?

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 21, 2005 08:30 AM | Link to this

Please sir, no more naked pictures of Bush so early in the morning. Couldn’t you just put him back in his flight suit?

By buff

November 21, 2005 08:34 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G. That is funny

By candide

November 21, 2005 08:44 AM | Link to this

Ecrason l’infame!

By candide

November 21, 2005 08:45 AM | Link to this

Ecrasons l’infame!

By Eric

November 21, 2005 08:54 AM | Link to this

Andy is nothing more than a sad reincarnation of Archie Bunker. The best reponse to his rediculous rants is no response at all. Since you can’t actually smell it, just ignore the garbage.

By gttim

November 21, 2005 08:58 AM | Link to this

Andy, quit your lying. But that would be hard for a wingnut, since that is all you have left. Murtha did not call for an immediate withdrawel. He called for a redeployment of forces, and wants a timetable. It is the GOP who used the word “immediate” and who introduced the bill in the House calling for the “immediate” withdrawel.

Funny, this weekend even Bush has finally come out said people who question him are not being unpatriotic, and are not undermining the troops. Didn’t you get the memo with the new talking points? Of course he still has his henchmen doing it. Since GOP Rep. Schmidt called a man who served 37 years in the Marine earning a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts a coward and all hell broke lose, Bush has figured out that the old “unpatriotic” trick is no longer working and at least he better appear to be above that. The polls show his schtick has worn thin. He has no clothes.

Mike, do you think Bush has that much muscle tone? After all the drinking and drugging of his youth, and post youth, I do not think he does.

Bush’s Exit Strategy

By Andy

November 21, 2005 09:06 AM | Link to this

gttim: So are you with Cynthia McKinney that would she run screaming from Iraq or are you too much of a flip-flopping, pinko lib to form your own opinion?

Eric: Stifle yourself!

By hewhoasks

November 21, 2005 09:14 AM | Link to this

Well, Andy, it’s made clear again and again, when you and your ilk lie about the position of others, that the position you hold is indefensible. Murtha called for honesty, Murtha called for results, Murtha called for something other than a conflict going on forever.

As you’ve already been told, Murtha isn’t the one who introduced a resolution calling for immediate withdrawal, it was the Republicans. Rather than fulfill their duty as representatives of the Amercan people and engage in meaningful discussion and debate of our policy and actions they pulled a stunt. It is the Congress which has the power to declare war, it is the Congress which has the responsibility for war. But no, not the Republicans in Congress. They duck their clear duty under the Constitution and introduce a garbage resolution just for the propaganda effect. They are a disgrace to America.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 09:15 AM | Link to this

Anti, for the record, Jean Schmidt didn’t make those statements. He was repeating what one of her constituents, who is a Marine, told her. Get your facts straight. The President yesterday said that criticism is okay. And it is. People have the right to question the way the war has been executed. What they don’t have the right to do is try and rewrite history, which is what some of the Dems are trying to do. I respect Rep Murtha, he is an honorable man. I happen to disagree with him, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect him.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 09:19 AM | Link to this

candide, you represent everything you claim to hate. All you do is spew hate. I guess the 50 million people that voted for Bush in 2004 were all dumb. Thats the typical elitist attitude that is killing the Democratic party

By Andy

November 21, 2005 09:20 AM | Link to this

hewhoasks: So do you believe that wars are won when Congress says they are or after we have killed or disbanded all of our enemies?

By buff

November 21, 2005 09:23 AM | Link to this

I like Archie Bunker

By Andy

November 21, 2005 09:28 AM | Link to this

Rasmussen: Bush job approval among military veterans at 60%.

Posted on 11/11/2005 2:26:18 PM PST by new yorker 77

While President Bush has tumbled in the polls, he still retains support among America’s military veterans. Sixty-percent (60%) of Veterans approve of the way the President is performing his job, including 30% who Strongly Approve.

They are the only ones morally allowed to tell us how to fight a war, right pinkos?

By TrueAndy

November 21, 2005 09:31 AM | Link to this

pinkos, pinkos, pinkos, blah, blah, blah. i love bush. no, i mean, i really love him. i really, really, “love” him. did i mention i hate pinkos? pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. oh my god, i’m such a douchebag.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 09:38 AM | Link to this

Pronunciation: ‘pi[ng]-(“)kO Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural pink·os also pink·oes : a person who holds advanced liberal or moderately radical political or economic views

By Andy

November 21, 2005 09:49 AM | Link to this

Anybody know what the cost of the Valerie Plame witch hunt is up to now? 60 maybe 70 million? For what? So Fitzgerald can get lavish photo ops and articles in all of the lib publications?

Where’s the pinko outrage over this deficit spending? All of the World’s starving children can take a back seat to the libs playing Keystone Kops?

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 10:08 AM | Link to this

Luckovich has sunk lower than I even thought possible. Why doesn’t he go to work for the Inquirer or the Globe? Anywhere but Atlanta. But I guess we have our slugs and jellyfish in places other than the new aquarium.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 10:27 AM | Link to this

gttim,

This is the guy who said “Cowards cut and run,Marines never do

Maybe next time you start a post by telling someone not to lie, you won’t immediately start lying.

By Paladin

November 21, 2005 10:32 AM | Link to this

BBWWWAAAAHHAA HHAA HHAA Mike, you skewered the issue perfectly on this one… I always make a point to check in on your graphic comments and then get the big laugh reading the blustering, defensive responses from the cold blooded conservative faction. They seem to be always RANTING in their defensive justifications or vilifcations. The poor gullible and misled chicken hawks. The do serve a good purpose though: as they set an example and constant reminder of the serious danger that arrises when arrogance and ignorance are brought together in a cause…
HEHEHE - go get ‘em Mike…

By Peter

November 21, 2005 10:34 AM | Link to this

Andy - If Duh-bya’s minions had followed his order to divulge the Plame leaker the investigation wouldn’t take so much time and money (not to mention the initial leak of classified information which his father deplores). This military veteran wants to hold the administration to the same standards Dr. Hans Blix was when he couldn’t find WMD in Iraq (they should step aside).

By sct

November 21, 2005 10:36 AM | Link to this

To the 30,000 GM employees that got laid-off today. Good news! Wal-mart is hiring!

For those that worked at the Doraville plant, if you get a job at a Wal-Mart here in Georgia please dont forget to sign up for your health insurance, to do that you have to go to your local DFAC’s office. For more info go to peachcare.dfacs.ga.gov.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 10:39 AM | Link to this

Andy, I too feel that the investigation is a waste of my tax dollars, just as the Clinton investigation. My outrage is directed at politicians and there kind that refuse to be honest and thereby running up the cost of the investigations. The investigations are needed…the lies are not.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 10:46 AM | Link to this

Yeah sct, I heard about the plant closing…this is getting ridiculous.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 10:47 AM | Link to this

In its first 15 months, the investigation cost $723,000, according to the Government Accountability Office.

In his “investigation,” Ken Starr spent:

The figures show that Starr’s office, through the end of November 1998, had spent $40,835,000. That includes $27,749,000 in direct expenses from independent counsel appropriations and $13,086,000 in unreimbursed expenses incurred by other government agencies.

Those figures do not include costs incurred by Starr’s predecessor, Robert Fiske, whose office spent about $6 million before Starr was appointed to lead the investigation.

The GAO’s most recent report issued last September showed Starr had spent $33.5 million through March 31st, 1998, after taking over for Fiske in 1994.

Iraq War costing at least a billion a week.

So Andy — where did you get that “70 million” figure — pulled it out of your a*?

links to the info I provided:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/23/AR2005102301028_2.html

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/01/starr.costs/

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 10:48 AM | Link to this

ml,

Sam Johnson described the effects of words on troops in a war zone.

A decorated war hero, Johnson was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legions of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross, one Bronze Star with Valor, two Purple Hearts, four Air Medals, and three Outstanding Unit Awards.

Why do hear every word Mothra says, but nothing from this guy

By gadem

November 21, 2005 10:57 AM | Link to this

So RW what did Mr. Sam Johnson say?

By buff

November 21, 2005 10:58 AM | Link to this

What the Clinton investigation actually uncovered was the hypocrisy of the radical feminists. Bob Packwood french kissed a woman and the fems raised hell until he had to resign. Clinton, a real woman-izer (cannot blame him for, look at Hillary) was supported by the fems. He has been accused of rape, the Arkansas Highway Patrol noted all his affairs, but, the fems still thought he as ok, evenafter taking advantage of a moon-eyed young intern. And, to you lefties, I am not attaching Billy Clinton, jsut the hypocritical left

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 10:59 AM | Link to this

sct & gadem,

DETROIT — General Motors Corp. will eliminate 30,000 jobs and close nine North American assembly, stamping and powertrain plants by 2008 as part of an effort to get production in line with demand and position the world’s biggest automaker to start making money again after absorbing nearly $4 billion in losses so far this year.

The announcement Monday by Rick Wagoner, GM’s chairman and CEO, represents 5,000 more job cuts than the 25,000 that the automaker had previously indicated it planned to cut.

You guys have a real tough time with facts, don’t you?

By sct

November 21, 2005 11:00 AM | Link to this

“Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly. We must stop giving the appearance that our foreign policy is formulated by the Unabomber.”

and

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now.”

Both remarks are from Tom Delay, how in the world did we ever win in Yugoslavia with this kind of talk from our leaders?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 11:01 AM | Link to this

Midori, Hun, I was asking a question. Thanks for the answer to it. It goes to show you how many crimes Bill Clinton committed, if you use money spent for comparison.

Maybe there isn’t anything for Fitzgerald to investigate, you reckon?

By sct

November 21, 2005 11:06 AM | Link to this

3,100 jobs to be cut locally; 8 other North American plants to be shut.

Yes, your right RW, great news!

By Midori

November 21, 2005 11:09 AM | Link to this

Andy — exactly how many “crimes” did Clinton commit? Why didn’t Ken Starr indict him for said “crimes”? All Starr had to show after all that time and money spent was a stained blue dress.

I’ll take quality over quantity anytime.

Fitzgerald is doing a marvelous job, and he’s not abusing taxpayer money in the process.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this

gadem,

Maybe you should have watched the debate Friday night, since our press doesn’t care to report both sides.

He said that when was a POW for seven years in Vietnam the words of Congress were constantly used to turn him against the United States. I’d find the transcript, but I know you don’t care anyway.

One of your patriotic Democrats tried to cut him off, but backed down when told he would have to publicly identify himself to object.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this

… Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “AJC Cuts 42 Part-Time Drivers’ Jobs,” 02/28/02 … More than 100 layoffs are expected; the other job cuts will come from …

They couldn’t keep them on as fact checkers?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 11:14 AM | Link to this

sct,

They aren’t being cut today.

By the way, did you know that are almost no block ice home delivery jobs anymore?

By buff

November 21, 2005 11:14 AM | Link to this

Midori, the biggest problem I have with Bill Clinton’s behavior is that he used the weight and power of his office to deny a woman her day in court. He had that rat-faced James Carville on Meet the Press ridiculing Paula Jones and saying things such as: “Well, you drag a hunderd dollar bill through a trailer park, and, heh heh, you will get all sorts of trash,” or something to that nature. He got impeached, yeah, by the GOP, but his transgressions were such that Arkansas disbarred him.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 11:17 AM | Link to this

Midori: Jeez, you missed the 1990’s? If I got into all of the crimes the Clintons committed, and still do today, I would get keyboard cramp. Buy the books!

By gadem

November 21, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

RW I would not have asked if I did not care…but I digress. You are so much more intelligent than I am…you are a worldly man er man of the world. RW, did you know that people are different. So what affects Mr. Johnson, may not affect you or I the same way. Did you and you kind care about about veterans feelings when they were smearing their good names….and this was done only for political gain.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 11:23 AM | Link to this

gadem,

I finally agree with you, and not just the complementary parts, I hated it when John Kerry smeared our military for political gain.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 11:23 AM | Link to this

Anybody wanna take a shot at translating gadem’s last pinko post? When these libs get weepy it is hard to understand what they are saying..

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 11:25 AM | Link to this

I am sitting here listening to Cheney talk about history and wondering why nobody talks about the Gulf War. Daddy cut and ran and left Saddam in power and that caused the extremist to be angry and unite.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 11:26 AM | Link to this

You are so blinded by ignorance it is sad. So I am assuming that is was OK for your party to attack Max Cleland, John Kerry, and even John McCain which is one of the only Republicans that I respect.

By buff

November 21, 2005 11:26 AM | Link to this

The leftists saying “we support the troops but not the war” is about as insipid as their idiot 1960s slogan “fighting for peace is like f—-ing for virginity. The left has been reduced to being a party of slogans

By gadem

November 21, 2005 11:27 AM | Link to this

Well cut and run…that is history. Let’s not bring that up because then 9/11 had not happened or something to that effect.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 11:30 AM | Link to this

gadem: McCain is too old to run for president plus he is a pinko in wolf’s clothing. Condi 08!

By sct

November 21, 2005 11:30 AM | Link to this

Yes, I know there are no longer block ice deliveries, but knowing how out of touch our US auto makers are with the market, it wouldn’t suprise me if Ford and GM still make ice delivery vans.

BTW, Toyota just passed Ford as the worlds 2nd largest auto maker

and this just today:

Toyota Motor Corp. is expected to release 2006 sales targets next month that, if realized, would push it past General Motors Corp. as the world’s largest automaker, according to a report in Saturday’s Wall Street Journal.

Great news!!

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

Okay, but I was reading up on the Gulf War and alot of soldiers were upset when Bush cut and ran because they wanted to finish the mission and go get Saddam.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 11:32 AM | Link to this

Oh buff I know Stay the Course is just a catch phrase. Please don’t throw stones in a glass house.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this

cutandrun,

See what happens when you tie yourself to a bunch of worthless thugs like the United Nations.

That’s why this President Bush isn’t letting them run the show.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 11:35 AM | Link to this

Andy you are delusional, so yeah McCain is such a liberal politician….so that explains why you all smeared his name. This is interesting Delusional Andy…keep talking.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 11:37 AM | Link to this

gadem,

Calling the entire military a bunch of marauding psychopaths, is a little worse than pointing out someones voting record, don’t you think?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 11:37 AM | Link to this

sct, letting the liberal knowledge shine through: Toyota is #2 because they aren’t saddled with worker pension and health care costs like GM is. Thanks for bringing that up.

By buff

November 21, 2005 11:39 AM | Link to this

gaden, “stya the course” is POLICY. And, I am getting ready to buy a pick ‘em up trucka nd it will be a Toyota

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 11:39 AM | Link to this

A crucial result of the Persian Gulf War, according to Gilles Kepel, was the sharp revival in Islamic extremism. The change of face by Saddam’s secular regime did little to draw support from Islamist groups. However, it, combined with the Saudi Arabian alliance with the United States and Saudi Arabia being seen as being on the same side of Israel dramatically eroded that regime’s legitimacy. Activity of Islamist groups against the Saudi regime increased dramatically. In part to win back favour with Islamist groups Saudi Arabia greatly increased funding to those that would support the regime. Throughout the newly independent states of Central Asia the Saudis paid for the distribution of millions of Qur’ans and the building of hundreds of mosques for extremist groups. In Afghanistan the Saudi regime became a leading patron of the Taliban in that nation’s civil war, and one of the only foreign countries to officially recognize the government

By gadem

November 21, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

RW, so Bush I was not in charge the first time, but this Bush is…interesting. It has always been stated that Bush surrounds himself with very good people that he deligates responsibilities to…man you guys are like backwood preachers peddling snake oil…twisting words to make a sale.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Talk about babbling liberals, sct is apparently saying that GM is so out of touch with the modern era that they should keep doing things the same way they are now.

I thought these libs hated cars anyway.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 11:44 AM | Link to this

gadem,

Here is more of what Sam Johnson said

If you look through yesterdays blog we went over all the UN resolutions of Gulf War I.

By buff

November 21, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

Christian-hating Midori: today’s snooze-paper has an article saying that the Bible Belt is the most generous part in the nation, and, the New England states the most miserly. Now, New Endland is ‘VERY liberal. I am not surprised, leftists are only charitable with the money of others.

By buff

November 21, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this

Hey, Jay Bookman, get anew pix, you look like a wimpy little pinko. Oh, what never mind

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this

Well, I am still seething over Luckovich’s rabid cartoon. Must this kind of junk come out of Atlanta in a discriminatory newspaper and be representative of anything from the South? It represents nothing of the American sense of fairness which we once had. We have all the crackpots like Candide and other warped individuals rejoicing over anything they think is American failure. And if they can’t find it, they create it. What next? Burning up automobiles? Dissent is one thing. Anarchy is somethng else. It seems that some of you cannot tell the difference. I also think “political cartooning” is NO excuse for abusing our country and the president. So much for Luckovich who couldn’t get elected to be doorkeeper at a PTA meeting.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this

gadem: The ACU gave McCain a rating of 72 out of 100 on his Conservatism. While he did beat Olympia Snowe, this is not saying much…

[I thought Hillary was a moderate?)

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this

So, we are not fighting a war on terror (OBL), but we are cleaning up Daddy’s mess.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this

Oops-

gadem: The ACU gave McCain a rating of 72 out of 100 on his Conservatism. While he did beat Olympia Snowe, this is not saying much…

I thought Hillary was a moderate?

By buff

November 21, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this

Dusty, amen. As I said yesterday, when my subscription runs out I am not renewing the Al Jazeerah Chronicle. Only symbolic, but……

By gadem

November 21, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

RW you actually have conversations with Delusional (Duct tape hoarding, plastic over every window, bomb shelter) Andy…I had a little more respect for you because your arguments were based more on O’Reilly and Limbaugh, but atleast you had enough brain capacity to remember their opinions. You my friend will be added to my ignore list.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 12:00 PM | Link to this

gadem,

Just like a typical whiny moonbat, when you can’t keep up with the debate just.. what’s the term?… oh yeah, Cut and Run!

By Andy

November 21, 2005 12:09 PM | Link to this

Congratulations to Atlanta, you made another list. #7 most dangerous city. Thanks to all of your pinko peace ideas, criminals are not afraid to come into your city and kill you. And you want to decide American foreign policy? Thanks, but no thanks!

Congratulations, Atlanta!

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 12:11 PM | Link to this

Well at least we know Lucko and his supporters are in the minority in both Georgia and the South

By gadem

November 21, 2005 12:13 PM | Link to this

So Dusty were you seething when political cartoons were poking fun at Clinton. Be real, you are just mad that your Baby Boy Bush is being exposed as an incompetent leader. In my opinion, a real leader would have attacked Osama and his ilk in Afghanistan not turned attention to Iraq…but like I said that is my opinion.

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 12:20 PM | Link to this

The reason Mr. Murtha stood up was he was tired of our kids getting killed and maimed to clean up Daddy’s mess. He should have done it sooner and makes you wonder about all the other on Capital Hill. Hey, pinko lib haters, where is your backbone!

By adam

November 21, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

Mike - There was a priceless picture in the AJC today of Little George trying to escape a question at the Asian Summit by heading for the closest door, only to find it locked.

I would love to see your incredible talents put to use regarding that picture - perhaps a “runaway President” cartoon.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

cutandrun,

403-3

Scoreboard!!!

By gadem

November 21, 2005 12:22 PM | Link to this

Well Ricky we try…I doubt that we are in the minority now, but whatever you think. Actually Ricky what will you all do once America wakes up and leaves Georgia and the rest of the South behind with that primitive mindset….also Ricky an FYI, the south will not rise again…

By rushncap

November 21, 2005 12:22 PM | Link to this

Awww, Dusty, Mike hurt your feelings? Well, tough. At least you don’t have a son that a-hole-in-chief sent to die in the desert for no reason. That’s a bit more than a “hurt feeling”. So consider yourself lucky. So go ahead and seethe. Just remember to thank your lucky stars that you get to seethe in the comfort of your own home, and not at a graveyard.

Bush should be tried as a war criminal and be locked up for the rest of his life. Along with Cheney, Perle and others. If the most they get is a cutting cartoon then they got off easier than Michael Jackson did after molesting those kids.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 12:23 PM | Link to this

The Ninth circuit says religion can be taught in government schools

but, only Islam.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

gadem, just because I am a conservative in the south doesn’t mean I am a redneck or want to refight the civil war. Thanks for your stereotyping though. And you say the South is primitive? Look at the rest of the country and who voted for Bush in 2004. Dems only carry the northeast and the left coast. Republicans dominate in everyday America.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 12:27 PM | Link to this

Finally a talented cartoonist

The Kennedy solution

By gadem

November 21, 2005 12:28 PM | Link to this

RW, as most sane people have mentioned, that vote was nothing more than a political stunt. But you can take solice in the fact that your leaders can hold a vote that carries no weight. That actually strengthens your argument…you are an original.

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

gadem, where were you when the lights went out? We had a little fight in Afghanistan. Remember? Osama may or may not be holed up there but he isn’t moving much with the Afghan Army, some American military and peacekeepers on watch. Are you suggesting we run backwards? That is the way liberals run as in “Cut & Run”. As to Clinton, I don’t remember any cartoon of him with his clothes off. But that wouldn’t have been a surprise after his shenanigans in the White House.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 12:32 PM | Link to this

gadem,

As you may have noticed “original” is part of my name.

A vote in the House is a political stunt, but shutting down the Senate and throwing out the press because you claim to want more openness is good governance?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

RW: You should see the big a-s-s Nativity Scene I put up in my front yard. With Baby Jesus slam in the middle of it. It can be seen a half of a mile in any direction. I also rigged up one of those Politically Correct deer lite figures so that it is laying dead on the ground with an arrow stuck out of it.

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

RW, I am confused, wasn’t it the GOP party that called for a vote for the troops to cut and run? The GOP tired of our kids getting killed and maimed to clean up Daddy’s mess?

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 12:36 PM | Link to this

Cutandrun, you are not being intellectually honest. You know just like everyone else that the vote was prompted by Rep Murtha’s comments. What a joke you are.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this

cutandrun,

Yes, I can plainly tell that you are confused.

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this

It was a GOP proposal, not Mr. Murtha’s.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this

Andy,

You might to put an arrow through a boar out there too, just in case the “religion of peace” group comes sniffing around.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this

Yes cutandrun it was a GOP proposal whose intent was to make the Dems put their vote where the mouth is. And your buddy Cynthia McKinney was one of 3 to vote yes. LOL,she is joke nationwide

By SherryVL

November 21, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this

BAWAAAAAHHHH! Great cartoon, Lucko — another one goes up on my bulletin board!

By Andy

November 21, 2005 12:41 PM | Link to this

cutandrun: You are right, the GOP called out the spineless democrats in the House to give them a chance to stand behind their grandstanding. As usual, they scattered at the first sign of accountability. Except for Cynthia!

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 12:45 PM | Link to this

Cynthia McKinney voted yes because she did not want to clean up Daddy’s mess from the start.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 12:46 PM | Link to this

cutandrun, explain how this is Daddy’s mess? And then tell me how it is not also Clintons mess. I would love to hear your explanation

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 12:48 PM | Link to this

cutandrun,

Read this and you’ll find that President Bush is cleaning up the mess Clinton left behind

The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq’s history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.

By sct

November 21, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

Congratulations to Newton Mass, you made another list. #1 least dangerous city. Thanks to all of your pinko peace ideas, criminals are afraid to come into your city and kill you. And you want to decide American foreign policy? Thanks, we sure could use you now!

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

Cutandrun, or if I may call you more correctly “Jerk”, my family has had people in the military every generation. The last one got out after 16 years of service. Do you think we don’t care when the caualties are announced? That is why we are so upset when liberals like you want to go howling in the night like a bunch of coyotes going “Run! Leave! Retreat!”. You discredit every American death and encouage every terrorist initiative. Go and take Luckovich with you. He does your graffiti for you.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 12:50 PM | Link to this

This is not the first time Rep Murtha has called for troops to be pulled out: After terrorists attacked U.S. troops in Mogadishu, Somalia 12 years ago, anti-Iraq war Democrat, Rep. John Murtha urged then-President Clinton to begin a complete pullout of U.S. troops from the region. Clinton took the advice and ordered the withdrawal - a decision that Osama bin Laden would later credit with emboldening his terrorist fighters and encouraging him to mount further attacks against the U.S. “Our welcome has been worn out,” Rep Murtha told NBC’s “Today” show in Sept. 1993, a month after 4 U.S. Military Police had been killed in Somalia by a remote-detonated land mine.

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

And they all come out of their holes… Would we be in Iraq now, if Bush finished the job in the Gulf War and not cut and ran before getting Saddam?

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 12:56 PM | Link to this

cutandrun, obviously you don’t remember your history. First of all most Dems voted against even going over there to begin with. Secondly, they didn’t want Bush to go after Saddam, saying that the UN resolution only authorized him to get the Iraqis out of Kuwait. C’mon man get your facts straight. And what did Clinton do to stop Saddam?

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 12:56 PM | Link to this

Cutandrun, rushncap,

if you’ve seen one you’ve seen ‘em all.

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this

And Bush listened to the UN this time?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this

Can anyone imagine what the b-itching by Democrats and their fellow travelers in the “main stream media” would have been like if George H.W. Bush had violated their sacred United Nations and pushed into Baghdad?

By finch

November 21, 2005 01:03 PM | Link to this

For the last time, the GOP resolution calling for an immediate withdrawl from Iraq that was rejected Friday was NOT the same as the phased, gradual withdrawl proposed by Rep. Murtha.

That’s a big difference, and one I would think that even logic-impared Bushbots could comprehend. Certainly House Democrats did.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 01:07 PM | Link to this

finch,

Even though it wasn’t the wording of Mothra’s proposal, it was reported as immediate withdrawal on AL Jeezera (the real one not the AJC).

When the Arab press is saying that Congress wants to withdraw immediately, you better do something to prove that’s not true.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:08 PM | Link to this

So Finch, there was no correlation between the two?

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 01:11 PM | Link to this

Like Mr. Murtha said. The tombstones do not say Republican or Democrat. Keep an open mind, go back and read about the Gulf war, and ask yourself. Would we be in Iraq now if Bush was not President and would we have OBL now?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 01:16 PM | Link to this

sct,

Check out the Newton Mass demographics

OH no, where is the diversity?

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:18 PM | Link to this

Cutandrun, heres the rundown. OBL got mad because there were American troops in Saudi. He then proceeded to bankroll Al Qaeda and become increasingly bold and audacios throughout the 1990s. He was invovled in terrorist attacks agains the WTC the first time, US embassies, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, Mogadishu, and 9/11. He has said himself that when Clinton pulled the troops out of Somalia he thought the Americans were weak. He declared war on us and Clinton did nothing. He operated without fear or constraint for 8 years.

By cutandrun@yahoo.com

November 21, 2005 01:23 PM | Link to this

Ricky, I do not see the words Saddam and Iraq in your argument.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

Cutandrun, I already posted about why Saddam was left in power after Desert Storm. He continued to do what he wanted and ignored all UN resolutions against him and threw out the weapons inspectors. Bill Clinton’s policy was regime change but he never really did anything about it. Iraq was a continuing problem as most intel services and politicians in the world said. They had terrorist camps in the North near Iran run by Abu Nassar. Some of their officials met with Al Qaeda memebers(google Stephen Hayes and you can see the extensive research he has done on the subject). The also cared for injured Al Qaeda in their hospitals during the war in Afhanistan.

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this

Ooops, I put in the email address.Please do not stalk me.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

And Ricky how is this related to Iraq and Sadaam Husein….When we say the war in Iraq is not just, and only involved the terrorist when a sovereign/holy land of theirs was invaded. Conservatives scream terrorist were in Iraq…Sadaam and Osama are one in the same….whatever you all are disillusioned.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

Cutandrun, and no we wouldn’t be in Iraq now if Gore were president. He doesn’t have the stones or the vision to do something like that.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

Ricky, Ricky, Ricky — “rewriting” history again, eh?

http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/pearly/htmls/bill-terrorism.html

http://www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm

http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/clinton.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/18/60minutes/main624848.shtml

http://www.mikehersh.com/ClintonvsTerrorRepublicansvs_Clinton.shtml

Why is it that I doubt you’ll read any of these?

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

Midori, your right Clinton did lob some cruise missiles at an empty camp in Afghanistan and he treated ALL the terrorists attacks as criminal actions. I like this line from one of the articles you gave me. • Three times after Aug. 20, 1998, when Clinton ordered the only missile strike of his presidency against bin Laden’s organization, the CIA came close enough to pinpointing bin Laden that Clinton authorized final preparations to launch. In each case, doubts about the intelligence aborted the mission.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

Ricky that is the problem…Dubya’s vision is as blurry as someone with Glaucoma…and I need to apologize to people that have Glaucoma for that comment…

By Midori

November 21, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

Andy

Cutandrun, and no we wouldn’t be in Iraq now if Gore were president. He doesn’t have the stones or the vision to do something like that.

so, you’re saying that only blooming idiots have “vision” and “stones”?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 01:34 PM | Link to this

Midori,

If you would actually put in a link I would go to your propaganda sites and read some of the tripe.

Yikes! You even list CBS as a credible source?

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 01:34 PM | Link to this

I have to cut and run to other blogs but will be back to check up on this debate. No name calling and stalking PLEASE.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this

Keep spreading the lies.

Saddam did not, repeat DID NOT, kick out the weapons inspectors.

http://www.fair.org/activism/post-expulsions.html

and prior to Bush getting his war on, they were withdrawn.

Pity.

Several lost lives and billions of dollars later, we now know that the inspections worked.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:37 PM | Link to this

gadem, I admit that Bush’s vision is controversial. He is making an effort to shift the balance of power in the Middle East. If we can establish a Arab deomcracy in Iraq to go along with Jordan, that is a huge step forward. Isreal and the Palenstinians are making strides forward. I notice none of you talked about the concession that Condi Rice got from the Israeli’s last week to allow Palestinians to use border crossings into Egypt that have been close for years. I am not a blind supporter of Bush. There have been mistakes made in Iraq, but at the same time, not everything was a mistake as many of you would want people to believe. There is a middle ground.

By Sandy

November 21, 2005 01:39 PM | Link to this

What everyone seems to forget is that this war, like Vietnam is a POLITICAL WAR. All political wars eventually falter because they have no solid footings. It was entered into by politicians and can only be ended by politicians! We are however stuck in a situation that no matter what avenue we take people will die!

By Midori

November 21, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this

Ricky — “controversial” doesn’t do enough justice in trying to describe Bush’s vision.

Try criminal.

Try idiotic.

Try stupid.

Try murderous.

Try inept.

Try hypcritical.

Try stupid.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this

After the terrorists blew a hole in the side of one of our warships, the USS Cole, killing 17 sailors, Clinton said it was not “sufficiently provocative.” Eeewww, tough guy!

By gadem

November 21, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this

Ricky, your comment at 1:29 is the problem with this war. The attack on the US was never initiated by Sadaam, but you and your fellow like minded individuals would make it seem that way. I know that Gore would have stayed the course in Afghanistan to catch, more than likely kill Bin Laden.

Well let me rephrase that, the military would have killed Bin Laden, but Gore would have put them in the right place to do their job. But I digress again…whatever helps you guys sleep thru the night.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:42 PM | Link to this

Midori, three of the websites you give are leftist sites. They report exactly what they want you to think. Just like Drudge and Rush, you can’t use them as a credible source. And you really think that Saddam never kicked out the weapons inspectors?

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:43 PM | Link to this

Midori, three of the websites you give are leftist sites. They report exactly what they want you to think. Just like Drudge and Rush, you can’t use them as a credible source. And you really think that Saddam never kicked out the weapons inspectors? A report in the London Telegraph says that Saddam Hussein offered a $2 million bribe to UN weapons inspectors to falsify their reports on his WMD programs.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this

Andy — why didn’t Bush “smoke them out of their holes”?

You know — the guys who bombed the Cole?

Wasn’t that done a month or so before Clinton left the White House?

What happened to Bush’s “vision” in dealing with that attack? His “stones”?

By Edwina

November 21, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this

Andy you are wearing your jock strap too tight. Do you wear your balls on the left or right side?
You do have balls don’t you. Just wondering in Wisconsin.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this

Gore would still be debating the environmental impacts of a war with Afghanistan.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this

gadem,

I seriously doubt that Gore would have even gone to Afghanistan.

I bet he would have said the Taliban didn’t attack us and he would have fallen for some phony deal they gave him.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 01:47 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

you honestly believe the “right” rags will report the truth?

what you refer to as “bias” is the truth.

besides — those sources quote actual newpaper articles.

and Drudge has about as much credibility as Baghdad Bob. What happened to that intern he said Kerry was boinking?

If Drudge isn’t spreading malicious gossip, he’s plaigarizing other news publications.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

Midori and gadem, you are never going to admit that anything Bush has done is good. That is your opinion and that is fine. I have served two tours in Iraq and have seen the Iraqi people and talked to them on a daily basis. They are glad we are there and glad that they have some freedom. Look at the number of people turning out to vote. It doesn’t make you happy to have a new democracy added to our world. I know you are going to respond by saying that it is a theocracy, but you are wrong. I know you haven’t been there and been able to see what is really going on. And that is a shame. I also know that you would probably never volunteer to fight for this country and that saddens me. But oh well, we are who we are

By Midori

November 21, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

Gore would still be debating the environmental impacts of a war with Afghanistan.

Hah!!! at least Gore could debate.

He can also walk and chew gum at the same time — unlike Commander Bunnypants.

I’ll bet the Chinese are still laughing at him about trying run away thru a locked door from a press conference.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Just about all Drudge does is link to other peoples stories. Why is that different than what you are doing?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 01:51 PM | Link to this

Midori: Bill Cohen and Richard Clarke, Clinton appointees and kook liberals, came up with the “sufficiently provocative” response. This why they don’t work for Bush anymore.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 01:53 PM | Link to this

Midori, obviously you didn’t read my post where I said that Drudge and Rush were just as bad as moveon and mediamatters and mike hersh, and make them accountable. Please read posts before responding. I know you think all of your sources are the truth, but it can’t be that all right leaning websites are lies and all left leaning ones are the truth. And by the way, wasn’t it Drudge that broke the Lewinsky story

By buff

November 21, 2005 01:54 PM | Link to this

Ricky, I sincerely thank you for your service to our counrty.

By TrueAndy

November 21, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this

Hey, I still hate pinkos. I just found out that a pink triangle means gay solidarity. I hate gays, too. pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. sure, I’d love some more koolaid. golly, you sure do like giving out lots of koolaid, and I sure love drinking it! pinkos, pinkos, pinkos, i hate pinkos. hey, what’s this probe you’re sticking through my ear? what does brainwashing mean? oh well, pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. oh my god, I’m such a douchebag.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this

Ricky: You might want to do some research on Drudge’s credibility, numerous audits have him 50/50 on the political implications of his posts.

By Talon News

November 21, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

Hey, lay off the Drudge report, thats some serious stuff. Like whippings and stuff like that, thats serious, very serious.

Jeff

By TrueAndy

November 21, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

Hey, I hate pinkos! I also never cite any independent sources when I make these ridiculous assertions, even when I insult others for not doing their research. pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. oh my god, I’m such a douchebag.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

Ricky — I happen to be a veteran. You need to know what you’re talking about because you engage in character assassination.

Thank God when I was active duty we didn’t have lunatic leaders who picked a fight with someone who didn’t attack us.

Thank God.

You’re right — Bush hasn’t done anything good. Nothing at all.

Nothing at all.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Hah!!! at least Gore could debate.

The “Huff and Puff” Gore, the “bright red” Gore, or “the prancing madman” Gore?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 02:01 PM | Link to this

Midori: What was your MOS?

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 02:01 PM | Link to this

Midori, I didn’t know you were a veteran. I apologize. Something I haven’t seen you do before. When did you serve? What was your MOS?

By Talon News

November 21, 2005 02:02 PM | Link to this

The liberal media has no creditability.

Jeff

By TrueAndy

November 21, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this

Hey, I hate pinkos. I even hate veteran pinkos because they don’t the koolaid I’m drinking. pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. Oh my god, I’m such a douchebag.

By By Talon News

November 21, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

I’m the only gay that the pinkos don’t like. BaWaWaWaWa

Jeff

By Midori

November 21, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

ROFL —

You must have missed the last debates — you know the one where Bush was muttering and sputtering like an idiot?

You know, the ones where he kept charging at and challenging the moderator?

Think that battery pack bulging thru his clothes had something to do with it?

F*** moron.

He even needs someone to tell him what to say and how to say it.

I wonder if someone is assigned bathroom duty for him to shake the excess water off for him.

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 02:05 PM | Link to this

Well, we have the Bermuda triangle here, Midori, cutandrun and gadem, all ready to sink any clear thinking. They support the troops by saying “Cut & run”. They support the Commander -in-chief by calling him names and drawing ugly pictures during war time. Their poster child is Cindy Sheehan. Their favorite politician is Cynthia McKinney. And they want us to believe any propaganda they can dig up. That is truly wishful thinking.

By BR

November 21, 2005 02:08 PM | Link to this

Dusy, do you support the troops by wanting them to continue dying for a war built on deliberate lies? Some of us support them by wanting them to fight for truly just causes, and to be HOME when they’re not.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 02:08 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Can’t you even get the LLL talking points straight about the debates.

(Hint “the Bush was wired lie” came from a debate with sKerry)

By Andy

November 21, 2005 02:11 PM | Link to this

Midori: I don’t want to impugn the integrity of any veterans, heaven knows, but remembering your MOS should be a relatively simple thing to do.

By Malachi

November 21, 2005 02:12 PM | Link to this

Dusty, you make no sense. How can disagreeing with the President make you hate our troops? That’s like saying that if you don’t agree with the the superintendent, you hate all teachers.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 02:17 PM | Link to this

Malachi(Midoris another personality is back). Midori, when did you serve? wahts was your MOS? What branch were you in?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 02:17 PM | Link to this

Malachi, Simpleton: The troops are risking their lives even as we speak. If you pinkos succeed in pulling the soldiers out of Iraq, blindly trying to hurt Bush, it will make their sacrifices worthless. You are the voice of the enemy to them.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 02:20 PM | Link to this

Hey, I hate pinkos. I also hate veteran pinkos. I also attack veteran pinkos because I will never believe they served in the military. I also am a coward because I can’t think for myself and criticize any rightwingnut assertion.

By Mike

November 21, 2005 02:21 PM | Link to this

The cartoon is accurate. Too bad that the spineless leaders of the Democratic Party - Kerry, Reid, and so on - are too full of themselves to give any credit to the people like Kennedy, Boxer, and Byrd who weren’t afraid to call a spade a spade (or in this case to call a lie a lie) and stand up to the Bush Administration in 2002.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 02:26 PM | Link to this

Since most of the usual moonbats are here, can any of you shed some light on this?

The “honorable discharge” on the Kerry Web site appears to be a Carter administration substitute for an original action expunged from Mr. Kerry’s record, according to Mark Sullivan, who retired as a captain in the Navy’s Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve in 2003 after 33 years of service as a judge advocate. Mr. Sullivan served in the office of the Secretary of the Navy between 1975 and 1977.

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 02:27 PM | Link to this

BR, I haven’t heard any lies coming from the president. That is another liberal claim not backed by any investigation or any other country. But you still believe it, don’t you? You had rather believe it than support the troops who are over there fighting. You might consider freeing the Iraq

By BR

November 21, 2005 02:34 PM | Link to this

Dusty, so explain to me how Sadaam was linked to 9/11. give me lots of independent source, too. also, give me the link between Sadaam and al Qaeda. oh yeah, remind me where weapons of mass destruction were found. also, tell me how we knew without any question Sadaam possessed weapons of mass destruction. wasn’t that one written on the back of a napkin from an italian gellateria?

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 02:35 PM | Link to this

(if I may continue after a cut off) Setting Iraqis free seems like a just cause if you can’t believe anything else. And Malachi, it is called sarcasm which arises when faced with idiosyncrasies. The meaning of that last word is “Luckovich and other luckless liberals”.

By BR

November 21, 2005 02:39 PM | Link to this

oh, of course, “setting iraqis free.” i don’t remember this as an initial justification for the iraq war. i thought it was 9/11, al Qaeda, weapons of mass destruction. it’s convenient to have a floating, amorphous justification, isn’t it?

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this

Midori/Malachi, I am beginning to question whether you actually served. You won’t answer any questions about it which seems odd to me. Also, I remember you making a statement on an earlier blog about how you would never serve in the military.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this

ml has put up a “mothra” thread, I guess he hasn’t been reading.

By peace

November 21, 2005 02:41 PM | Link to this

I support the troops, but I do not support the president’s fleeting use of their lives just because he cannot admit he was wrong. He was wrong in the way he took us to war with mistruths. I just with he would admit that and bring our courageous men and women back home.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 02:43 PM | Link to this

BR,

Could you enlighten us as to the claims of genocide in the Balkans and what was actually found?

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 02:43 PM | Link to this

BR, obviously you are one of the people that refuses to believe Bush can do any good. He is an evil man that is the root of all troubles in the world. We have heard the line before. Thats what separetes most conservatives from the liberals on this page. We can admit that mistakes have been made, but pulling out is not an option. You guys on the other hand will never admit Bush has done anything good. Oh well

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 02:46 PM | Link to this

“peace” may have a point. Isn’t it time for us to get out of Germany, Japan, and South Korea? How about Kosovo and Bosnia?

By BR

November 21, 2005 02:46 PM | Link to this

no. but thanks for the insight, mr. irrelevant.

now, back on-topic..

By kimberly

November 21, 2005 02:47 PM | Link to this

Peace, I’m with you on that. A REAL man can admit he made a mistake. He can apologize and try to put it right. A sorry excuse for a man refuses to admit his mistakes, and instead blames everyone else for his shortcomings while maintaining his innocence and purity of intent. This is also true of alcoholics, many even after they “dry out.” Our men and women in uniform deserve better.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 02:49 PM | Link to this

BR,

I knew you couldn’t. You might have to say “Clinton lied.”

By BR

November 21, 2005 02:51 PM | Link to this

Ricky, Bush has done many things right. I support his economic policies, and think no child left behind was for the most part a good idea, for example. The difference between you and him is that while you will admit mistakes were made with regard to this war, he never will.

By buff

November 21, 2005 02:52 PM | Link to this

To many liberal, such as Jimmy Carter, peace is the absence of war

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 02:52 PM | Link to this

BR, anybody in this whole world who can read knows that American and British intelligence said that Saddam was in the process of making WMD. Maybe you were in Iraq and knew BETTER. The president decided to protect our country for now and future times based on Intelligence information. Maybe your crystal ball should tell you that not supporting our troops in war time is an aid to our enemies. You really should go and join the CIA with all your clairvoyance.

By BR

November 21, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original) fine, clinton lied. i really don’t care if he lied or not anymore because he doesn’t make foreign policy anymore.

now you will admit that bush has lied, correct?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 02:57 PM | Link to this

BR,

No, and Clinton didn’t lie either because, based on commonly accepted intel, he believed what he said at the time.

Very similar if you think out about it.

By BR

November 21, 2005 03:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty, wow, artful response. you have cited no independent sources other than “everyone in the world.” where can i look that one up? the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research in 2002 said that the intelligence we had did not make “a compelling case for reconstitution” of their wmd program. can they not read?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 03:01 PM | Link to this

Pinkos “support” the troops

By BR

November 21, 2005 03:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty, my only point was that it seems the administration cherry picked whatever intelligence it thought would help them sell this, instead of trying to get the truth. there was not a widespread belief of an active wmd program.

and what about the link to 9/11 or the link to al Qaeda

By BamaBoy

November 21, 2005 03:04 PM | Link to this

Andy is a sad, sad, little man. He’s a perfect example of how people can be so blindly loyal to politics and/or religion that they refuse to think for themselves and will only believe what their leaders tell them. Since they don’t think rationally, they can only spew hatred and anger at anyone who doesn’t think or believe as they do. So take his rants with a grain of salt folks, and try to remember that he views the world through thick red-colored glasses.

“I love my country. It’s the government I don’t trust.”

By Jesus

November 21, 2005 03:04 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 03:05 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, never mind the propaganda about alcoholism. Go ahead. Spread rumors. Who knows? You may be one. Sometimes it is hard to tell about these things. Herbal tea? Oh yeah!. Go ahead. Spread suggestions and drop hints. The last liberal offense, the indefensible rumor.

By Malachi

November 21, 2005 03:06 PM | Link to this

Huh? What are you talking about Ricky/RW/Andy/Jarhead? Who said pull them out right now? According to you (and your other three distorted personalities) and Dusty, we are supposed to support the president no matter what. You two airheads want us to blindly follow him no matter what.

I reiterate: the president did a good job handling 9/11. He rallied the American citizens together. He promoted unity. He should have blasted Saudi Arabia since the people on the plane were Saudi. He also should have stayed the course and gotten Osama Bin Laden. Afghanistan should have been the place that we were having a war.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 03:08 PM | Link to this

Hey, I hate pinkos. When I cite an “independent source,” it is the Washington Times, a paper owned by this wingnut pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. Oh my god, I’m such a douchebag.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 03:09 PM | Link to this

Gosh I wonder where BR got that original thought,Cherry picked the intelligence

By TrueConservative

November 21, 2005 03:10 PM | Link to this

while it is true that almost all democrats in congress voted to use force against Huessein- the idea that the congress had the same intelligence as the president is completely false. In fact the administration gets to choose specifically what intellligence the congress gets and what they do not… can we move on??

By peace

November 21, 2005 03:11 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original): are you suggesting we are in Germany, Japan, and South Korea on the basis of mistruths?

By TrueConservative

November 21, 2005 03:13 PM | Link to this

oh yeah and all you Liberals stop ragging on Jesus…

By BR

November 21, 2005 03:13 PM | Link to this

RW: actually, I first heard the term on Fox News Sunday, your favorite show.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 03:13 PM | Link to this

I am directing this at RW, or any of his other Comrades. How was Iraq a part of the attacks of 9/11? I have constantly asked questions concerning this, and no one has answered this question. You can not say that Sadaam was in the process of making WMD as a rationale, because North Korea poses an ever greater threat.

By atheist

November 21, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this

there is no God. Jesus is just a tool to teach little kids right from wrong, which is something I can do without little mythological bedtime stories.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 03:16 PM | Link to this

TrueConservative,

The intelligence committees can see every piece of intelligence they want, they can meet with CIA and DIA analysts whenever they want to see how the intel was developed.

If any other member has questions they can do the same with the approval of their Intelligence committee.

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 03:17 PM | Link to this

BR, my posts are more honest than artful. If “cherry-picking” was done, then the British were also “cherry pickers”. Our Congress should be called “cherry pickers”. But my choice of cherry pickers would be YOU. You cannot face the fact that we have a strong Republican president who has more information about terrorism, Alqueda and the war than you will ever have. I have more confidence in his abilities than I have in you or other war detractors. But keep it up. We have freedom of speech. And they will soon have it in Iraq because of us, whether you like it or not.

By peace

November 21, 2005 03:17 PM | Link to this

gadem: They can’t answer your question. All they can do is attack you, your patriotism and your right to be an American.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this

gadem,

I don’t know where you get that any of us are linking Saddam to the 9/11 attacks.

As the President has said, the lesson of 9/11 is that we can’t wait for threats to become imminent because the smoking gun could be thousands dead in one of our cities.

By kimberly

November 21, 2005 03:21 PM | Link to this

Dusty, don’t even try it. You know I don’t stoop to your level of rumors and inuendo. CNN November 2, 2000: WEST ALLIS, Wisconsin — Texas Gov. George W. Bush acknowledged Thursday that in 1976 he was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol near his parents’ home in Kennebunkport, Maine. …..Karen Hughes, Bush’s spokeswomen said the 54-year-old Texas governor, who has been open about his past drinking problems, had not publicly disclosed the arrest because not even his 18-year-old twin daughters were aware of it. He has said he gave up drinking the day after his 40th birthday…..At a campaign appearance Tuesday at a charity center in San Jose, California, that helps people deal with addictions, Bush said, “I was able to share with some of the men and women here that I quit drinking in 1986 and haven’t had a drop since then. …..

By BR

November 21, 2005 03:23 PM | Link to this

Dusty: ok, that’s fair. so basically you will blindly follow this President no matter what. that is your prerogative and your right. I simply choose to question him, which is my prerogative. As I said, this president has done some good things domestically, but he has dropped the ball on this war.

I notice that made a veiled reference that this war (hence Sadaam) was somehow related to al Qaeda. Again, can you substantiate that? Probably not, because all you have done so far is attack people “not supporting the troops.”

By gadem

November 21, 2005 03:28 PM | Link to this

Oh ok, so why are not we going to war in North Korea. We heard so many times that the reason we were going to war in Iraq, was because Sadaam was in “bed” with Osama. What I am getting at, is that the rationale is flawed. You can not attack a sovereign nation based on a theory and a hunch. That is like China, North Korea, or Russia attacking the US because they feel as if we are a threat to them.

By Mike

November 21, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

Isn’t the attitude expressed in Dusty’s last post - that we should trust the president because he knows more than we do - exactly what has gotten us into trouble when intelligence on WMD and Al Qaeda turned out not to be true?

By BR

November 21, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

RW - Cheney made it his personal crusade to link Sadaam and 9/11. he went on sunday talk shows and suggested such a link.

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

Hello all! Been lurking most of the day (tons of work to do so not much time to write). What’s the debate about today?

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 03:35 PM | Link to this

What’s going on everybody? What are we debating today? More of the same?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 03:35 PM | Link to this

gadem,

I agree with you that North Korea could be a huge problem, thanks in no small part to a very naive deal in the 1990’s, but we have at least some chance of isolating them and getting China to put pressure on them.

With Iraq we had a situation where UN resolutions had proved worthless, the 1991 cease fire agreement was being openly violated, and our “allies” were taking bribes.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

sickof…,

I know you like to read both sides,this is a really cool place to get columns from both sides in one place

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 03:41 PM | Link to this

Great site RW, I haven’t actually read any of the posts, but I looked at some of the titles. I may spend the rest of the evening flipping through it. Oh, and Ricky, unlike Midori, some of us “liberals” actually have served. Please try not to lump us all in together.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 03:43 PM | Link to this

So RW you are saying this is not a war on terror, this is a war to put Sadaam in its place…to spread democracy. But in doing so, we have given fuel to the radicals that are terrorist. The American people were fed a bunch of bunk about how Sadaam was aiding terrorist and the such. No link exist. So according to your rationale, once we finish in Iraq, we will then move on to North Korea and so on, or will we use Diplomatic measures then…I am just wondering. I would like to know how we came to be in Iraq. This is classified as a war on terror by ALL news outlets, and there were no if any terror organizations in Iraq before we set foot there. Sadaam was too crazy, senile, and secular to deal religious extremist.

By TrueConservative

November 21, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this

OK lets get specific then- the Director of the CIA reports directly to the Director of National Intelligence which is a Cabinet post in the Presidential administration- not the legislative…the executive.

While it is true that the Natialnal Security Council (executive) and the Intelligence Comitties (legislative)oversee the CIA as a whole… the directors still ultimately answer to the president and not the congress

By BR

November 21, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this

RW: that site is great. a nice collection of links. it just reminded me how utterly insane anne coulter is.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 03:47 PM | Link to this

I am liking how now the White House is now on the offensive. Twisting words and making it seem as if Murtha said retreat. A timetable for withdrawal is not a retreat, it is in essence an exit strategy. An exit strategy is what should have been present before we went to war. Hell you even need an exit strategy when you open a business…

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 03:47 PM | Link to this

BR, I would actually despise Anne Coulter if she wasn’t so HOT!

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 03:48 PM | Link to this

gadem,

I tried to answer you without any word games and bs and you come up with that?

Go read your 11:56AM post and try to stick to it this time.

By peace

November 21, 2005 03:48 PM | Link to this

gadem - since when has bush known how to run a successfull business?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 03:51 PM | Link to this

BR,

She looks pretty sane to me!

By TrueConservative

November 21, 2005 03:52 PM | Link to this

arent the really Hot ones always evil or insane?

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 03:56 PM | Link to this

I wonder who’s on the target RW? Al Franken?

By TrueConservative

November 21, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

did you guys see her on ‘The Greaest American’? think Reagan won cause he just died or because the sexy pundit was campaigning for him? I was pulling for Benjamin Franklin myself… but hes the biggest Liberal since Jesus so naturally there was some fanatical opposition…

By BR

November 21, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

RW - right, just like the time she said regarding the middle east that we should “invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.” that’s a pretty sane foreign policy. that sounds really sane to non-Christians like me.

By TrueConservative

November 21, 2005 03:58 PM | Link to this

rrrrr shes been baaad

By SherryVL

November 21, 2005 04:03 PM | Link to this

Bush and his cohorts have “given comfort to our enemies” in Iraq by:

(1) invading and occupying their country without the assistance of most of our allies;

(2) invading and occupying their country without the benefit of having any plans for restoring order or securing the borders;

(3) allowing military contractors to use torture techniques which are seen all across the Arab world via satellite TV;

(4) continuing to occupy their country even after Saddam Hussein has been long disposed of, appearing as if we only want to continue our empire-building and promote the recruitment of terrorists for the foreseeable future.

Dubya has made the world less safe by continuing to “give comfort to the enemy” and we’ll being paying for this disaster for a long, long time to come!

By Andy

November 21, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this

On the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon General Vo Nguyen Giap, the legendary commander-in-chief of North Vietnam’s military, praised America’s Vietnam anti-war protestors for their contribution to the communist victory, “I would like to thank them,� the general told Reuters.[1] Former North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin explained, “Through dissent and protest [America] lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.�[2] With the help of certain journalists who couldn’t tell the difference between victory and defeat on the battlefield, the communists prevailed. While anti-war activists were spitting in the face of our returning troops, the people of South Vietnam were being slaughtered by the thousands.

Militant Islamists understand recent American history, and they understand that the only way to defeat America is to turn her against herself. Although President Bush handily won reelection, the defeatists have decided to continue their apoplectic campaign. Formerly known as liberals or progressives, the defeatists apparently prefer the status quo of despotic power over the prospect of liberty.

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this

BR, forget the veiled references. That is your way of doing things. I think we went to war because a majority of us and the world thought there were WMD in Iraq. The terrorists soon joined the fight and are still busy otherwise they would be right at our front door. If you don’t believe that, then you probably think al-zarqawi is a visiting scholar in Iraq. Does that make you feel any better about your anti-war stance?

Kimberly, what were you doing in 1976 and 1986? Such recent decisions. Almost 20 years ago. The president was honest about his past. He didn’t bother to say “why” or “the meaning of is”. He said that part of his life was over. But not for you. Right? What else did you read in the “Globe”s latest exposure? Any liberal reports?

By buff

November 21, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this

Sick of, man, you are right about Coulter she is HOT, and is a very clever writer. She can be mean too. If she and James Carvile had a child, wow, what a mean beast that would be.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 04:04 PM | Link to this

sickof…

Might have been Al

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 04:06 PM | Link to this

BR,

Nobody said she wasn’t a wee bit harsh.

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 04:12 PM | Link to this

Come on RW, that’s like saying the Pope is a wee bit Catholic.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 04:13 PM | Link to this

And what sickens me is this is one big game. Back when the vote took place to use force in Iraq, there was a lot of emotions. Anyone that disagreed with the White House was called Unpatriotic and sentenced to character assasination by the Oreilley’s, the Limbaughs, et al. See Cynthis Mckinney, she lost her seat for speaking out…you actually can not deny that.

By BR

November 21, 2005 04:15 PM | Link to this

Dusty, it’s pointless debating you because you’ve shown that you’ll blindly follow this President and come up with whatever posthoc justifications you can. You’re basically a lemming, which is fine. The left and right both have and need lemmings on their sides.

RW, yeah, she’s a bit outside the mainstream.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 04:21 PM | Link to this

To any soldiers who might be reading this blog, please understand that, no matter how hard these pinkos try, George Bush will not be damaged and that we are going to stay the course in Iraq. We have the utmost respect for your mission and for the sacrifices that you make in our name, for our protection. We are fully behind you and, regardless of what steps we must take here at home, you will not be deserted by us. May God Bless You and may He bring you home safely.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 04:24 PM | Link to this

RW you still have not answered me. My 11:56 response has nothing to do with what we are talking about now. Nice no answer.

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 04:26 PM | Link to this

Andy, careful, some of us “pinkos” were soldiers at one time in our lives.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 04:29 PM | Link to this

Sick: What was your MOS?

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

Andy, 54B - Chemical Operations Specialist. I think it’s 74D now but I’m not sure.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

Delusional Andy, have you taken your meds today? You seem so out of touch with reality. If you are against the war, you are against the troops…that argument is tired and old. I have never said I did not support the troops. I don’t think the war is just and I will continue to question its validity. GOD gave man free will to think for himself. Never follow someone blindly. Question authority, especially when you have an inkling that you are being misled. But that is just me.

By John in Mableton

November 21, 2005 04:35 PM | Link to this

Twickey Ricky wrote,”They had terrorist camps in the North near Iran run by Abu Nassar.” That is right as rain pin-head, a camp north of the no-fly zone, where Sadam could not attack them. And Bush and Co. knew it was there, so did they attack it, no. Why? To justify invading the country.
And they let a bunch of very bad people go. And where did the bad terrorist go, we are fighting them now, you idiot!
Darth Chenery and the Rethuglcans let terrorist go on to kill American soldiers so they could have a freaking talking point and you can’t see that, which kool-aid have they been feeding you!

By Mike

November 21, 2005 04:37 PM | Link to this

Gadem, are you really taking this guy seriously with all his talk about “pinkos” and so on? His last message is nothing but passive-aggressive garbage.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

*To any soldiers who might be reading this blog, please understand that, no matter how hard these pinkos try, George Bush will not be damaged and that we are going to stay the course in Iraq. We have the utmost respect for your mission and for the sacrifices that you make in our name, for our protection. We are fully behind you and, regardless of what steps we must take here at home, you will not be deserted by us. May God Bless You and may He bring you home safely. *

Let’s see you put your money where your mouth is.

Have fun, and remember to dress for the weather.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 05:09 PM | Link to this

Yep, BR, it is pointless in having a discussion with you because I will never be a leftiest, dissenting liberal. I would ruin the reputations of liberals because I would never be anti-war, anti-troops. Nor would I make unjust accusations against the president. If I am a lemming, it is still better then being in a rat hole screaming “Cut and run”.

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

Again Dusty, please don’t lump all us, I guess I can’t say I’m gung ho liberal, but “liberals” into the same group. I was on the ground during Desert Storm and Desert Shield and I can most definitely say I am not anti-troop.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 05:18 PM | Link to this

So much hate on here today and we wonder what is wrong with our political situation these days

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:20 PM | Link to this

gadem: I thought you had me on your sissy little “ignore” list? What’s the matter, did you get tired of talking to your dog? Or did he start to laugh at you like we do?

You pinkos could care less whether this war is “just” or not. You want to damage Bush, that is your sole purpose. If it betrays the soldiers in the field, that’s just a part of your sick game, isn’t it?

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 05:21 PM | Link to this

Andy, do you have any other questions for me about my service other than my MOS?

By John in Mableton

November 21, 2005 05:22 PM | Link to this

Andy wrote with tongue firmly in cheek or up some Rethuglican bum-hole, “George Bush will not be damaged (of course not, he and his aren’t going anywhere near the war. They and theirs just get richer and richer from it. ) and that we are going to stay the course in Iraq (of course, the course keeps changing from day to day ala WMD anyone? Preventing terrorism somewhere?). We have the utmost respect for your mission (Ha, Ha, good one Andy! That’s why we sent you over with out the armor you need and driving in unprotected Hummers, while keeping you away from the thousands of armored vehicles we have stockpiled over there.) and for the sacrifices that you make in our name (well Bush and Halliburton’s and lots of big companies anyway), for our protection (except we sent so few of you, you couldn’t possibly complete the mission and now things are much worse because of it there and everywhere). We are fully behind you (isn’t this obvious, we wouldn’t risk our necks for this.) and regardless of what steps we must take here at home (cut taxes for the wealthy and health care for the poor, most likely your relatives), you will not be deserted by us (yeah, well we won’t be joining you either, we’ll just keep rotating your butts back into that nightmare.) May God Bless You (he hasn’t done you any favors so far) and may He bring you home safely (cause we won’t, at least until Halliburton and friends have made a heck of a lot more money off you). Translation by BabelFish!

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:23 PM | Link to this

Midori: This is the part I volunteered for: regardless of what steps we must take here at home. Somebody has to stay here and fight the real enemy: You pinko libs.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:25 PM | Link to this

Andy also posted-

On the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon General Vo Nguyen Giap, the legendary commander-in-chief of North Vietnam’s military, praised America’s Vietnam anti-war protestors for their contribution to the communist victory, “I would like to thank them,� the general told Reuters.[1] Former North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin explained, “Through dissent and protest [America] lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.�[2] With the help of certain journalists who couldn’t tell the difference between victory and defeat on the battlefield, the communists prevailed. While anti-war activists were spitting in the face of our returning troops, the people of South Vietnam were being slaughtered by the thousands.

Militant Islamists understand recent American history, and they understand that the only way to defeat America is to turn her against herself. Although President Bush handily won reelection, the defeatists have decided to continue their apoplectic campaign. Formerly known as liberals or progressives, the defeatists apparently prefer the status quo of despotic power over the prospect of liberty.

Where do you pinkos fit in to that?

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 05:29 PM | Link to this

I wonder how a little socialist with an “I can’t see you” list would know whether I answered whatever his whack job question was anyway.

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 05:30 PM | Link to this

sickof, I am sure you are not anti-troops. I am not anti-troops either. That is why I get so disgusted with people who ask the the same old questions that have been investigated and answered over and over. Lies? Even those who would suggest that soldiers kill their officers? Then the “cut & run” crowd who say they are not cut & run? Believe me, these are not conservatives speaking. If I lump you all together, I am sorry. But I hear so little from those who speak from convictions and not politics.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:30 PM | Link to this

Look, pinkos, I kinda agree with your sissy little argument that if we haven’t or aren’t serving in a war then we have no right to tell someone how to run a war. It’s a perverted thought just as sure as a lib wearing a trench coat at some school playground, but it serves my purpose: You liberals only have experience losing wars, that’s your claim to fame, see Vietnam, they thank you. George Bush set out to win this war which is something you can’t even understand. Stand aside and let the men handle it, ladies.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

sickof…

I tried to research that Pope is a little bit Catholic thing, but I could only find this

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

I just wish that people on my far left side would understand that a pullout, whether gradual or immediate, is not the answer at this point in time. I read conflicting reports that say that only one fully Iraqi battalion is combat ready and then I read reports that say as many as 3 battalions are combat ready. Either way, it isn’t enough. John in Mableton made one good point earlier in that some of our own units aren’t really combat ready (materials and equipment-wise). How can we expect the Iraqi’s to defend themselves at this point in time, when we don’t even have our own s-h-i-t togther in some of our armored units. We have no choice but to stick it out. No matter the impetus that got us there, we are there. Let’s finish the job.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 05:37 PM | Link to this

Every single soldier that goes to Iraq now has armored plates in their vest and no unarmored vehicles are allowed to leave any of the FOB’s. That arguement is just not true anymore.

By candide

November 21, 2005 05:39 PM | Link to this

How this country ever got the idea that the Bush family was somehow royalty escapes me entirely. They have shown only stupidity, venality, and mendacity.

Ecrasons-les!

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 05:40 PM | Link to this

RW you slay me man. Thanks for the pic, I might just use that one as my wallpaper here at work.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:41 PM | Link to this

sickof: 7000 troops were killed in a war game before the landings at Normandy. Look it up if you don’t believe me. That is the classic definition of not “having your s-h-i-t” together. Our troops in Iraq have done a jam up job, not only protecting themselves, but also protecting innocent civilians.

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 05:42 PM | Link to this

candide, you are amusing

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 05:46 PM | Link to this

sickof…,

If you do that we probably won’t see much of you here. Hey, maybe we can get gadem to use it.

By sickoftheneocons

November 21, 2005 05:53 PM | Link to this

Ricky, source?

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 05:55 PM | Link to this

Wow, it seems that the President and Vice President are backing down. Not the same old stay the course plan. After going to alot of blogs, I found something good for Andy.spit

By Ricky

November 21, 2005 06:02 PM | Link to this

Sick, I assume you are asking for the source of my statement about the plates and armored vechicles. The source is me. I just got back in June after deploying for my second tour in June 2004. Everyone in my unit had plates before we left and everyone I was over there had plates. It was a rule throughout Iraq that you weren’t allowed to leave a FOB without an armored vehicle. That is just what I saw and experienced. i could be wrong.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 06:05 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

I think sickof… wanted a source for that crack about candice being amusing.

By Steve SC

November 21, 2005 06:06 PM | Link to this

Andy seems to have a particular problem getting his facts straight today. The “7000” troops killed in a war game weren’t due to our foul-up. The number was 700, and they were killed when some German torpedo boats attacked a dress rehearsal for the Utah Beach landing at Slapton Sands, England. Most of the men killed drowned because their gear dragged them under.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this

Ricky: One of the drawbacks in dealing with a war loser is that they think they know everything. It’s a sickness, don’t feel bad when you correct them. All they want to do now is apply the same failed ideas they had in Vietnam to this war that we are winning.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:15 PM | Link to this

700 in a war game. That was Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s war, by the way. You war losers want to go back and draw him naked in a throne?

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 06:31 PM | Link to this

Andy, you forgot to spit.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:34 PM | Link to this

What’s up with the spit, cutandrun? I can’t guess at all of your perverted war loser ideas? Clue me in.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 06:52 PM | Link to this

Andy,

cutandrun is trying hard to live up to the nic. Now he answered you on the other thread.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:59 PM | Link to this

I know. I wish I knew what he wanted. I think it is the war loser deal, but I’m not sure.

By gadem

November 21, 2005 07:07 PM | Link to this

Hey RW stop with the name calling. If you don’t want to answer my questions, just say so. But for everyone who needs a good laugh please watch this video…

The President of the United States?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 07:07 PM | Link to this

RW: Time mag will have a link set up so that you can vote for their “Person of the Year.” Cindy Sheehan is among the candidates. I don’t need to tell you to vote early and often.. for her. Nothing would be finer…

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 07:23 PM | Link to this

Time to cut and run like Bush’s daddy. See ya Iraqis. Good luck and goodnight.

By buff

November 21, 2005 07:52 PM | Link to this

I cannot imagine the pain of Cindy Sheehan, but here use of her son’s death is sickening. She laughs and acts like she is at a aprty. I really think she has lost it; I can sympathize with her, I think, but sh eneeds to shut up.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 08:01 PM | Link to this

Buff: What is really sickening is the way the lib media has taken this woman’s obvious mental anguish and selfishly used it in their mindless quest to get George Bush. These war losers are lowlifes of historical magnitude. They could care less about any individual, about any organization (CIA), unless they have some use against the President.

By buff

November 21, 2005 09:06 PM | Link to this

Yes, Andy, they have abused that poor mentally ill woman. And, leftists are such hypocrites, they want trillions spent on social programs, will stand in line to protest, but not do one d——d thing for humanity. But, as we know liberalsim is a mental disorder

By buff

November 21, 2005 09:09 PM | Link to this

Has anyone heard the stroy that Cindy Sheehan sent Barbara Bush a letter stating that the Prez murdered her son?

By getalife

November 21, 2005 09:13 PM | Link to this

Buff, What is up with you and Cindy?

By buff

November 21, 2005 09:17 PM | Link to this

Sick of: I fell sorry for Cindy Sheehan, and as Andy said the leftists are encouraging and using her. Poor, poor woman.

By getalife

November 21, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this

Buff, You actually listen to Andy? Is he your father?

By buff

November 21, 2005 09:27 PM | Link to this

getalife, no, Andy is not my father, NeoReo is, though. He and my mother just left this morning for Missouri after staying a few days with us. He is 83 and my son got him hooked on veteran blogs; now he does them all. He sent out soem realy mean posts to this site and my user name was listed. I admonished him, he thought it was funny as h-ell. The old geezer is a real hoot. He was a Marine and makes fun of me because I was in the Army. One of my sons joined the Corps in December 2001, so, he is now the favorite grandchild.

By getalife

November 21, 2005 09:38 PM | Link to this

Buff, Be careful of Andy. He is a mean bully who yells at everybody here. He is unamerican because he does not want people to voice their opinions. Even the President said today, that is wrong.

By John in Mableton

November 21, 2005 09:40 PM | Link to this

Tickey Rickey wrote, “Every single soldier that goes to Iraq now has armored plates in their vest and no unarmored vehicles are allowed to leave any of the FOB’s. That arguement is just not true anymore.” And why exactly should it have ever have been true? And why would soldiers get busted for uparmoring thier lousey rigs while it was true? You have been sold a bill of goods. And you can no longer tell when someone is p** on your back when the man says its raining.

By buff

November 21, 2005 09:44 PM | Link to this

Fellow bloggers, good night in a bit. It is time to quit working, have a whiskey and sit in front of the fireplace and watch Monday Night Football. Oh, d—m The Vikings v. the Packers, sheesh, who cares? Square heads v. cheese heads. Plus, I have an academic meeting tomorrow morning that will probably last three hours; I would rather have nails driven through my testicles.

By getalife

November 21, 2005 09:47 PM | Link to this

Buff, See if Andy were here, he would yell at John in Mableton, but he has the right to express his opinion. That is what America is all about…freedom.

By John in Mableton

November 21, 2005 09:54 PM | Link to this

Andy is the tools fool and wrote,”Colonel Bui Tin explained, “Through dissent and protest [America] lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.â€?[2] With the help of certain journalists who couldn’t tell the difference between victory and defeat on the battlefield, the communists prevailed. While anti-war activists were spitting in the face of our returning troops, the people of South Vietnam were being slaughtered by the thousands” Oh yeah, Bui Tin said our American protesters were were spitting on returning North Vietnamese troops? Good for those protesters! And Bui admits to slughtering thousands of South Vietnamese? Yeah right Andy! Thanks to prissy little ladies like pinko Andy, we lost that war and we might just lose this one.

By Andy

November 22, 2005 06:14 AM | Link to this

I am not suppressing the free speech of anyone, that’s the AJC’s job. Matter of fact, why don’t you war losers tell us how you “supported” the troops in Vietnam by spitting on them at the airport and calling them baby killers?

By rushncap

November 22, 2005 11:24 AM | Link to this

Hey Andy…. are you for real? I mean, are you just a liberal troll trying to make neocons look bad? Because if you are, there really is no need — they can do it themselves. But I’m having a hard time believing something like you actually exists.

By rebecca

November 27, 2005 09:47 PM | Link to this

Mike draws what I think if I used my time more wisely. His cartoon is almost always the best thing in the paper.