Mike Luckovich

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 02:38 PM | Link to this

ml,

Read your own blog sometime. We’ve been discussing this for days.

Go scribble something and please add clothes.

By edwina

November 21, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

As Harry Truman said when he was in office, “the buck stops here”. So it is with Bush. If he can’t take the heat get him out of the kitchen.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

I saw it Mike. It was magnificent.

Murtha deserves much respect and admiration for his “truth to power”.

I especially like the way he slapped down Dick “5 Deferments” Cheney during his press conference.

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 03:43 PM | Link to this

The latest injustice by AJC—putting Luckovich out as a journalist. What next? Cynthia Tucker as a cartoonist?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 03:45 PM | Link to this

“the situation we find ourselves in iraq”

A freely elected Democratic government, the first one in the Middle East.

200,000 Iraqi soldiers trained and fighting for their government.

A taste of Freedom that is spreading across the region, to Iran, Lebanon and many others.

120,000 American and coalition soldiers that believe in the mission they are fighting for. They take extra risks with their own lives so that they don’t harm civilians yet they have only lost 2000 of their own.

No terrorist attacks on American soil in over 4 years. You can go on and on about there being no connection with Iraq and Al Qaeda, I’ll go with we are doing something right.

Al Qaeda leaders, whether it’s the #2 man or the #200 man, getting killed by the hundreds in Iraq. How many scores of innocents would have been blown up by these losers had they not been killed?

By all means, let’s run screaming from Iraq. Let’s snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Maybe we could all then hide in our little cartoon world.

By Jeanne

November 21, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

Mike,

Great post! I’m a retired woman and I have a question for RW (the original), Andy, and Dusty…do you men have a job because everytime I read posts on this website you are here with negative comments.

Or better yet join the armed services.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 03:59 PM | Link to this

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal after his retirement, Col. Tin explicitly credited leaders of the U.S. anti-war movement, saying they were “essential to our strategy.”

“Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9AM to follow the growth of the antiwar movement,” Col. Tin told the Journal.

Visits to Hanoi by Kerry anti-war allies Jane Fonda and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and others, he said, “gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses.”

“We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war,” the North Vietnamese military man explained.

Kerry did much the same thing in widely covered speeches such as the one he delivered to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April 1971.

“Through dissent and protest [America] lost the ability to mobilize a will to win,” Col. Tin concluded.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

HANOI (Reuters) - Twenty-nine years after the end of the Vietnam war, communist military mastermind General Vo Nguyen Giap remains grateful to the Americans who opposed it.

The Vietnam War, known in Vietnam as the American War, has become a hot issue in the U.S. presidential race with Democrat John Kerry drawing attention to his service and President Bush’s Republicans disparaging Kerry’s later anti-war stand.

“I would like to thank them,� the 93-year-old veteran said on Friday of those Americans who opposed the war.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 04:02 PM | Link to this

On the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon General Vo Nguyen Giap, the legendary commander-in-chief of North Vietnam’s military, praised America’s Vietnam anti-war protestors for their contribution to the communist victory, “I would like to thank them,� the general told Reuters.[1] Former North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin explained, “Through dissent and protest [America] lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.�[2] With the help of certain journalists who couldn’t tell the difference between victory and defeat on the battlefield, the communists prevailed. While anti-war activists were spitting in the face of our returning troops, the people of South Vietnam were being slaughtered by the thousands.

Militant Islamists understand recent American history, and they understand that the only way to defeat America is to turn her against herself. Although President Bush handily won reelection, the defeatists have decided to continue their apoplectic campaign. Formerly known as liberals or progressives, the defeatists apparently prefer the status quo of despotic power over the prospect of liberty.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 04:18 PM | Link to this

Confessions of a Repentant Republican

By William Frey, M.D. November 17, 2005

Editor’s Note: As George W. Bush and Dick Cheney ratchet up the “you’re with us or you’re with the terrorists” rhetoric, it’s important to remember the American principles that are at stake in this momentous political battle.

What Bush and Cheney have in mind is a permanent restructuring of the U.S. constitutional system under an authoritarian executive who can waive any law and any freedom for anyone he deems an “enemy combatant” or a “bad guy.” Dissent will be dealt with harshly through a right-wing media built to destroy the reputations of anyone who resists.

Yet there are positive signs, too, of a bipartisan uprising of Americans who care deeply about the principles that have guided this democratic republic for more than two centuries. As representative of this trend, we are publishing this guest essay by William Frey, a founder of Republicans for Humility who seeks to return his party and the U.S. government to a more traditional path:

I supported George W. Bush in the presidential election in 2000, believing then that he best reflected my love for America and for our tradition of liberty. I supported the war in Afghanistan. In March of 2003, I believed that the invasion of Iraq was justified based upon pre-war revelations presented to Congress and to the American people. Accordingly, the indictments contained herein apply, first and foremost, to myself.

Many Americans whom I know and love, including many current supporters of President Bush, remain conflicted over both his ultimate intentions in Iraq as well as domestic curtailment of civil liberties.

Many have given the benefit of the doubt to President Bush, and, in a misdirected spirit of unity, have supported, as did I, Administration policies that conflict with our essential values.

This essay explores many of the issues that led me personally to the recognition that the policies I was supporting in Iraq were not consistent with the justifications made for the invasion in the spring of 2003, that implicit in our post-invasion actions was the goal of permanent occupation, which would ensure endless war and the resultant degradation of our liberty, our security, and our moral authority.

For me, recognizing that I could no longer support the President for whom I voted, and the occupation of a land we had invaded, remains personally painful.

I have learned that while it is difficult to admit being wrong, such recognition is a prerequisite for redemptive action, necessary both for individual growth and for the healing of our nation.

It is in this spirit that I submit these reflections.

(snip)

Full Text : http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/111705a.html

By Midori

November 21, 2005 04:18 PM | Link to this

NYT: One War Lost, Another to Go By Frank Rich The New York Times

Sunday 20 November 2005

If anyone needs further proof that we are racing for the exits in Iraq, just follow the bouncing ball that is Rick Santorum. A Republican leader in the Senate and a true-blue (or red) Iraq hawk, he has long slobbered over President Bush, much as Ed McMahon did over Johnny Carson. But when Mr. Bush went to Mr. Santorum’s home state of Pennsylvania to give his Veterans Day speech smearing the war’s critics as unpatriotic, the senator was M.I.A.

Mr. Santorum preferred to honor a previous engagement more than 100 miles away. There he told reporters for the first time that “maybe some blame” for the war’s “less than optimal” progress belonged to the White House. This change of heart had nothing to do with looming revelations of how the new Iraqi “democracy” had instituted Saddam-style torture chambers. Or with the spiraling investigations into the whereabouts of nearly $9 billion in unaccounted-for taxpayers’ money from the American occupation authority. Or with the latest spike in casualties. Mr. Santorum was instead contemplating his own incipient political obituary written the day before: a poll showing him 16 points down in his re-election race. No sooner did he stiff Mr. Bush in Pennsylvania than he did so again in Washington, voting with a 79-to-19 majority on a Senate resolution begging for an Iraq exit strategy. He was joined by all but one (Jon Kyl) of the 13 other Republican senators running for re-election next year. They desperately want to be able to tell their constituents that they were against the war after they were for it.

They know the voters have decided the war is over, no matter what symbolic resolutions are passed or defeated in Congress nor how many Republicans try to Swift-boat Representative John Murtha, the marine hero who wants the troops out. A USA Today/CNN/Gallup survey last week found that the percentage (52) of Americans who want to get out of Iraq fast, in 12 months or less, is even larger than the percentage (48) that favored a quick withdrawal from Vietnam when that war’s casualty toll neared 54,000 in the apocalyptic year of 1970. The Ohio State political scientist John Mueller, writing in Foreign Affairs , found that “if history is any indication, there is little the Bush administration can do to reverse this decline.” He observed that Mr. Bush was trying to channel L. B. J. by making “countless speeches explaining what the effort in Iraq is about, urging patience and asserting that progress is being made. But as was also evident during Woodrow Wilson’s campaign to sell the League of Nations to the American public, the efficacy of the bully pulpit is much overrated.”

Mr. Bush may disdain timetables for our pullout, but, hello, there already is one, set by the Santorums of his own party: the expiration date for a sizable American presence in Iraq is Election Day 2006. As Mr. Mueller says, the decline in support for the war won’t reverse itself. The public knows progress is not being made, no matter how many times it is told that Iraqis will soon stand up so we can stand down.

Link: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/112005Y.shtml

By Andy

November 21, 2005 04:19 PM | Link to this

To any soldiers who might be reading this blog, please understand that, no matter how hard these pinkos try, George Bush will not be damaged and that we are going to stay the course in Iraq. We have the utmost respect for your mission and for the sacrifices that you make in our name, for our protection. We are fully behind you and, regardless of what steps we must take here at home, you will not be deserted by us. May God Bless You and may He bring you home safely.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 04:20 PM | Link to this

Why Iraq war support fell so fast

US public support has dropped faster than during the Vietnam and Korean wars, polls show.

By Linda Feldmann | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON – The three most significant US wars since 1945 - Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq - share an important trait: As casualties mounted, American public support declined.

In the two Asian wars, that decline proved irreversible. With Iraq, the additional bad news for President Bush is that support for the war in Iraq has eroded more quickly than it did in those two conflicts.

For Mr. Bush, low support for his handling of the war - now at 35 percent, according to the latest Gallup poll - has depleted any reserves of “political capital” he had from his reelection and threatens his entire agenda. Last week’s bombshell political developments, both the bipartisan Senate resolution calling for more progress reports on Iraq and the stunning call for withdrawal by a Democratic hawk, Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, have not helped.

But the seeds of Bush’s woes were planted early on. Just seven months into the Iraq war, Gallup found that the percentage of Americans who viewed the sending of troops as a mistake had jumped substantially - from 25 percent in March 2003 to 40 percent in October 2003.

In June 2004, for the first time, more than half the public (54 percent) thought the US had made a mistake, a figure that holds today.

With Vietnam, that 50-percent threshold was not crossed until August 1968, several years in; with Korea, it was March 1952, about a year and a half into US involvement.

Why did Americans go sour on the Iraq war so quickly, and what can Bush do about it?

John Mueller, an expert on war and public opinion at Ohio State University, links today’s lower tolerance of casualties to a weaker public commitment to the cause than was felt during the two previous, cold war-era conflicts. The discounting of the main justifications for the Iraq war - alleged weapons of mass destruction and support for international terrorism - has left many Americans skeptical of the entire enterprise.

In fact, “I’m impressed by how high support still is,” Professor Mueller says. He notes that some Americans’ continuing connection of the Iraq war to the war on terror is fueling that support.

In addition, intense political polarization gives Bush resilient support among Republicans.

But among Democratic voters who supported the US-led invasion initially, most have long abandoned the president. In polls, independent voters now track mostly with Democrats. And, analysts say, once someone loses confidence in the conduct of a war, it is exceedingly difficult to woo them back.

“[Bush’s] best option is bringing peace and security to Iraq,” says Darrell West, a political scientist at Brown University. “If he can accomplish that, people will think the war’s going well and that he made the right decision. But that’s proving almost impossible to achieve.”

Pollster Daniel Yankelovich, writing in the September/October 2005 issue of Foreign Affairs magazine, states that “in my judgment the Bush administration has about a year before the public’s impatience will force it to change course.”

Not helping the president has been the modern phenomenon of 24/7 cable news coverage, which brings instant magnification to the daily death toll and the longstanding media practice of focusing on negative developments.

And there is the lingering public memory of Vietnam itself, which, in the Iraq war, may have made the public warier sooner of getting stuck in a quagmire.

Scholars like Mueller at Ohio State speak of an emerging “Iraq syndrome” that will have consequences for US foreign policy long after American forces pull out - particularly in Washington’s ability to deal forcefully with other countries it views as threatening, such as North Korea and Iran.

“Iraq syndrome” seems to be playing out, too, with the American public. The just-released quadrennial survey of American attitudes toward foreign policy - produced jointly by the Pew Research Center and the Council on Foreign Relations - shows a revival of isolationism. Now, 42 percent of Americans say the US should “mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own” - up from 30 percent in 2002.

According to Pew Research Center director Andrew Kohut, that 42 percent figure is also similar to how the US public felt in the mid-1970s, at the end of the Vietnam War, and in the 1990s, at the end of the cold war.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1121/p01s02-usfp.html

By Bill

November 21, 2005 04:20 PM | Link to this

Congresswoman Jean Schmidt said all that needs to be said on this subject:

“Cowards cut and run; Marines never do.”

By Andy

November 21, 2005 04:27 PM | Link to this

*To any soldiers who might be reading this blog, please understand that, no matter how hard these pinkos try, George Bush will not be damaged and that we are going to stay the course in Iraq. We have the utmost respect for your mission and for the sacrifices that you make in our name, for our protection. We are fully behind you and, regardless of what steps we must take here at home, you will not be deserted by us. May God Bless You and may He bring you home safely.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 04:28 PM | Link to this

A freely elected Democratic government, the first one in the Middle East.

I’ll bet this is news to Turkey.

Gee, what happened to the WMD? And those weapons-of-mass-destruction-related programs?

I’ll bet you were one of the many on your side calling them “ragheads”. Now you want Americans to die for them. How noble.

200,000 Iraqi soldiers trained and fighting for their government.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You even count like Bush.

Left behind again, eh?

If they are fighting so hard, why the hell do our soldiers keep getting blown up?

A taste of Freedom that is spreading across the region, to Iran, Lebanon and many others.

Gee — does that taste like chicken?

120,000 American and coalition soldiers that believe in the mission they are fighting for. They take extra risks with their own lives so that they don’t harm civilians yet they have only lost 2000 of their own.

Coalition???? Coalition? What coalition??? The baboons that Brunei sent? And let’s not forget Poland!!!!!!

No terrorist attacks on American soil in over 4 years. You can go on and on about there being no connection with Iraq and Al Qaeda, I’ll go with we are doing something right.

Gee — Spain and London must be THRILLED to know this.

Al Qaeda leaders, whether it’s the #2 man or the #200 man, getting killed by the hundreds in Iraq. How many scores of innocents would have been blown up by these losers had they not been killed?

Didn’t we just capture or kill the Number 2 guy for the bazillionth time?

By Midori

November 21, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

Spoken like a true hateful hag:

*Congresswoman Jean Schmidt said all that needs to be said on this subject:

“Cowards cut and run; Marines never do.�*

What would she know about Marines? She obviously is clueless to say something like this about a 37-year decorated war veteran who happens to have been one.

Besides, I thought she wasn’t speaking for herself, and was channeling someone else?

You guys need to get your points together.

By Dusty

November 21, 2005 04:33 PM | Link to this

Jeanne, why are you interested in our occupations? I am interested in your preoccupations. You like Luckovich’s anti-war, anti-Bush cartoons? ‘Nuff said. You are one and the same. Pretty sad for an American citizen, if you are one.

By getalife

November 21, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

Yes Mike, Mr. Murtha is a great American but I wish he would have done it sooner. Finally, someone has the backbone to call out the Presidents’ “stay the course” plan.

By candide

November 21, 2005 04:40 PM | Link to this

Murtha reminds me of what Winston Churchill said about America: they always do the right thing after trying everything else.

By Midori

November 21, 2005 04:41 PM | Link to this

RESTORING HONOR AND DIGNITY TO THE WHITE HOUSE

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/plastic_turkeys/1bigasshole.jpg

By Andy

November 21, 2005 04:45 PM | Link to this

Midori: I already know the democratic talking points, I heard them from Hillary Tucker.

Turkey is in the EU.

Your Congressman wouldn’t lie would he? http://isakson.senate.gov/floor/021505iraqsupplemental.htm

I wish I could understand the chicken line. All I know is that the regime in Iran has been killing more people lately because they want to be free like the neighbors, Iraq.

Australia, Bulgaria, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Netherands, Poland, Slovokia, Spain (ran away,) Thailand, Ukraine, Kazakhstan. No Oil for Food countries made the list.

The terrorists attack pacifist Spain because they knew, go figure, that they could get them to run screaming from Iraq.

If you libs ever got brave enough to take up arms against the US and you lucked up and killed Dick Cheney, do you think Bush would replace him?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:00 PM | Link to this

Hey, I hate pinkos. pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. I can’t think for myself. I love sending off our kids to war because I suck at Risk so the real thing is better. pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. Oh my God I’m such a douchebag.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:33 PM | Link to this

By candide

November 21, 2005 05:37 PM | Link to this

Andy: you are the excretion of deprivation.

I don;t think you want me to get more graphic.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:46 PM | Link to this

Hey, I hate pinkos. I hate women, too, because I’m a sexist pig. I think that if you disagree with me, you must be a woman, and that makes you inferior to me. Only men are smart enough to agree with me. I love koolaid. I can’t figure out why you keep giving me koolaid, sir, but I do love to drink it! pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. I’m also so desperpate and insensitive that I try to equate liberalism with one of the most tragic, and reprehensible acts to ever take place in an American Public School. I blame that on liberals but I don’t blame the wingut gun freaks who want to keep gun purchases as easy as buying a value meal. pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. I’m also so out of touch with reality and history that I blame things like the Vietnam war on pinkos pinkos pinkos. I think that if someone is for gay rights, they must be a sissy. I’m incredibly sexist and homophobic. pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. Oh my God, I’m such a douchebag.

By Tex

November 21, 2005 05:50 PM | Link to this

No ma’am. People like ANDY, DUSTY, BUFF do NOT have jobs. They are but the weaklings of society. Cowards filled to the brim with personal failure and the hatred it begets. If they could not hate they could not live. If they could not lie they could not live. It goes on and on. An old story of social misfits. Tough-talking, uneducated would be “patriots.” Shame they don’t print their addresses - they need visitations and work on their runty little bodies. This site is no longer worth looking at due to lifeless insects such as these goons.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:53 PM | Link to this

You know you pinkos are right. I’m not calling you that anymore; from now on it’s the “war losers.”

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 05:57 PM | Link to this

Jean Schmidt was only passing along the remarks of this guy

Can you guys keep anything straight?

Hi, Jeanne!!!

By Andy

November 21, 2005 05:57 PM | Link to this

Tex: Now how would you know all these things about us? Does your dog tell you these things? Do you have a crystal ball? Do you peek in your neighbors windows? That’s it isn’t it? You were caught by some Conservative looking in his windows and he kicked your a-s-s.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:02 PM | Link to this

You’re right. I am jobless, and I hate pinkos. I live for this blog because I hate pinkos and I want to see a world with no more pinkos. What is wrong with that? Does that make me a douchebag?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:03 PM | Link to this

A world with no war losers? Be still my beating heart.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this

I am a loser, but you are a war loser

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:12 PM | Link to this

Look Cynthia: I know it’s been along time since your readers heard anything but left wing pap; all you can do now is mock me? What about exchanging some war loser ideas? Tell us about Jane Fonda. Tell us about all of your college campus riots. Let’s relive your glory days. I want to hear it.

By KBR

November 21, 2005 06:14 PM | Link to this

Andy. Kellog,Brown, and Root is hiring in Iraq.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:15 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but because I have no life I can’t even remember my posts and I start lashing out at others for no apparent reason. My apologies. I still hate you pinkos, pinkos, pinkos, though.

By KBR

November 21, 2005 06:22 PM | Link to this

Tell us about your glory days too Andy. You know,chugging a 12 pack and eating 110 cocktail weinies.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:25 PM | Link to this

ah, yes, the glory days. I can’t relly remember them because all I really know anymore is that I hate pinkos, pinkos, pinkos. I can’t remember anything else. What else is there in life besides hating pinkos? I have nothing else, so I don’t think there is anything else. pinkos, pinkos, pinkos.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:29 PM | Link to this

Here KBR, I, humble Conservative, am offering my assistance to you. If you want to fool the war loser computer, you have to hyphenate in between each letter, example, p-i-n-k-o. Any questions?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:31 PM | Link to this

You know I thought this other “Andy” might be Cynthia Tucker, but with the lowercase typing and grammatical errors, I’m starting to wonder if it isn’t cartoon boy.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 06:34 PM | Link to this

And I thought our moonbats here had lost it

By cutandrun

November 21, 2005 06:43 PM | Link to this

Andy, on other blogs, when you call someone a name, they usually type asterick spit asterick but it does not work on this blog. After reading RW’s last link, you are not that bad or you?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 06:52 PM | Link to this

Some more “hate speech” for you war losers-

But war, if fought properly, should be Hell—for your opponent. Currently, we seem to want to make sure that war is fair and humane for our enemy. Such righteousness is a luxury we can afford only because we are not the ones fighting in our own homeland to save our neighborhoods from mass murderers like Abu Musab Al Zarqawi and his followers.— Mac Johnson 11/21/05

By Midori

November 21, 2005 07:12 PM | Link to this

Andy — I don’t know this “Hillary Tucker” person of whom you speak.

Is she the one who told you that a sitting senator is a congressman?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 07:20 PM | Link to this

Midori: I’ll be real sweet in this reply. Imagine some soft anti war music in the background. Hillary Tucker is my special way of saying that Cynthia Tucker sounds just like Hillary Clinton. Or vice versa.

Now, I’m not trying to be mean, but the united States Congress is made up of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Feel free to fact check me.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 07:37 PM | Link to this

I like this one-

On the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon General Vo Nguyen Giap, the legendary commander-in-chief of North Vietnam’s military, praised America’s Vietnam anti-war protestors for their contribution to the communist victory, “I would like to thank them,� the general told Reuters.[1] Former North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin explained, “Through dissent and protest [America] lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.�[2] With the help of certain journalists who couldn’t tell the difference between victory and defeat on the battlefield, the communists prevailed. While anti-war activists were spitting in the face of our returning troops, the people of South Vietnam were being slaughtered by the thousands.

Militant Islamists understand recent American history, and they understand that the only way to defeat America is to turn her against herself. Although President Bush handily won reelection, the defeatists have decided to continue their apoplectic campaign. Formerly known as liberals or progressives, the defeatists apparently prefer the status quo of despotic power over the prospect of liberty.

Some things never change….

By Andy

November 21, 2005 08:21 PM | Link to this

No matter what you think or have been led to believe about Rush Limbaugh, he was on the money today. He said that the only thing Al Qaeda has going for them in the world is the American left, the useful idiots. You war losers may see this as hate speech, but your hero Lenin is the one who came up with the phrase “useful idiots.” And yes, he was talking about you.

By getalife

November 21, 2005 08:43 PM | Link to this

Andy, I just listened to J.D.Hayworth from Arizona and he talks just like Rush Limbaugh.

Tell the truth, you work for the AJC to stir up this blog?

By Andy

November 21, 2005 08:44 PM | Link to this

What’s up cartoon boy, why aren’t you “on message?”—

RYE BROOK, N.Y. — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would be “a big mistake.”

The New York Democrat said she respects Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., the Vietnam veteran and hawkish ex-Marine who last week called for an immediate troop pullout. But she added: “I think that would cause more problems for us in America.”

“It will matter to us if Iraq totally collapses into civil war, if it becomes a failed state the way Afghanistan was, where terrorists are free to basically set up camp and launch attacks against us,” she said.

By Andy

November 21, 2005 08:48 PM | Link to this

getalife: I am here to take this blog out. Anyone who sets up shop on the premise that they can badmouth and betray our troops in the field are not going to get a free pass from me. I speak for our troops, I owe them. It is not that hard to understand. Cure your disease.

By getalife

November 21, 2005 08:55 PM | Link to this

I am all for that but being a blog bully makes you disrespect the freedom of speech and other freedoms they are fighting for. BTW, I am not a pinko or war loser.

By RW-(the original)

November 21, 2005 09:01 PM | Link to this

Andy,

This cartoonist gets it

By Andy

November 21, 2005 09:02 PM | Link to this

getalife: War is not pretty; it is there to be won. Protracted, drawn out battles are a waste of lives. When are we going to get serious? Which side do you want to win? Are you with the libs? Get behind your troops, no matter which side you choose, don’t get wishy washy on me.

By getalife

November 21, 2005 09:08 PM | Link to this

Sir yes sir. I pick the greatest fighting machine to ever roam this world sir. Please do not put that pinko war loser Hillary Clinton on this blog sir. It makes you look wishy washy sir.

By TrueConservative

November 22, 2005 05:56 AM | Link to this

When did the troops select you to speak for them Andy? If you cared about troops then you would respect the fact that there are troops on both sides of all of these issues. More to the point, while you would be the first to slander and berate anyone who disagrees with you on anything- the troops actually get along with each other despite pollitical differences- so technically while some troops agree with you pollitically, methodically you coulndt be further from the troops as a whole.

By Andy

November 22, 2005 06:22 AM | Link to this

TrueConservative: After listening to you war losers and having it cost them almost every conflict in the last 50 years. They want to win one, this is something you know nothing about.

By Andy

November 22, 2005 06:23 AM | Link to this

I am not suppressing the free speech of anyone, that’s the job of the AJC. Matter of fact, why don’t you war losers tell us how you “supported� the troops in Vietnam by spitting on them at the airport and calling them baby killers?

By Erik

November 22, 2005 06:42 AM | Link to this

I have read this page many times and am amazed at the tunnel vision going on and the regurgitation of propaganda from a stone walling government. Yeah I guess I’m a pinko. But read this. We have a government now that in the executive branch tolerates no division or views different from the top. We have a Congress that until recently was in lock step with the executive and basically was a rubber stamp for what was demanded by the executive regardless of the long term impact on the country or avarage folks. We are crusing towards a judiciary that will also essentially rubber stamp the executive. Andy and other non-ojective persons, no you are not neo-cons from now on you are Neo-Commies” and should treated as such by those who really care for what this country was founded on, truth, justice for all (not just corporations) and a country that leads by example, not with a proviso that torture is OK and imprisoning someone for years is just business. Yep, the neo-commies have had their day and propaganda but the truth will out. The only spin nowadays in the sound of the tripe put out by this administration going down the toilet. The days of just talk without the walk are soon to be over. Mr Murtha visits vets weekly, W only sees them for photo ops and that is to me, a vet, one of the most disgusting things this man has does.

By Robert

November 22, 2005 06:56 AM | Link to this

“why don’t you war losers tell us how you “supportedâ€? the troops in Vietnam by spitting on them at the airport and calling them baby killers?”, That’s an interesting comment. I returned from Viet Nam on my back and spent the following three years in five different hospitals. Never once in the thirty some years since have I actually met another veteran who could, or cared to, confirm a documented case of a returning soilder being spit upon at any airport. As a matter of fact when being shipped to and fro from Lyndon Johnson’s fantasy land the military took great care to keep me and my compatriots seperate and out of view of the general public. Considering that the ONLY talk radio that reaches “the troops” in Iraq sputters from the mouth of Rush Limbaugh, and considering that media access on the ground is the most tightly controlled war to date, (when it comes to the flow of information), I doubt that news of protests against administration policy even reaches many troops on the ground.

By Andy

November 22, 2005 06:58 AM | Link to this

Robert: What unit did you serve and what part of the country were you wounded in?

By Andy

November 22, 2005 07:03 AM | Link to this

I’ll deal with Robert’s lies one at a time. Rush Limbaugh is on Armed Forces Radio for one hour a day. NPR is on all hours of the day, according to them.

National Pinko Radio

By Andy

November 22, 2005 07:08 AM | Link to this

Alright, you war losers want to start lying about spitting on soldiers at the airport and calling them baby killers, even though everybody in the world knows that you did, then tell us about the television documentaries (Dan Rather) that depicted our troops as drugged out psycho basket cases. Was this more of your “support” for them?

By lew30305

November 22, 2005 04:59 PM | Link to this

Amen Erik. Andy, if the war’s going so great why don’t you enlist or work for Halliburton or something then you can stop fixating on the whole “Protesters spitting on soldiers” idea. If the new Iraqi government is going to torture people like Saddam, seems like we made a bad trade…at least Saddam could keep the lights on…hopefully its just a few bad apples.

By Robert

November 22, 2005 05:05 PM | Link to this

Andy: I was with the Americal Division in I Corps. I was wounded at just about the same moment Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the moon, 20 July 1969. Where did you serve, what was, is, your branch of service? How many purple hearts hang on your walls?

By lew30305

November 22, 2005 05:16 PM | Link to this

I like the tactic of (“It can’t be Bush and Cheney’s fault we’re losing the war, so it must be the fault of the media and those dissenting anti-soldier pinkos!”) blaming your political opponents for your failures even though you control the whole govt. I’ll have to remember that next time my guy puts us in a politically driven quagmire er I mean war.