Mike Luckovich

By RW-(the original)

November 15, 2005 10:39 PM | Link to this

ml must moonlight for The Albany Herald. That was the only paper in the country, until now, to report that incumbent Republicans lost this year.

By Freddie

November 16, 2005 12:54 AM | Link to this

Hey! I’m sticking up for ANDY, DUSTY, RW and the rest of the girlie men. We must remember that they are not correct in the head. They surely came out of a different oriface than most of the rest of us.

By Tex

November 16, 2005 12:58 AM | Link to this

That’s fer sure, Freddie! That’s fer dang sure. They’re the best argument I can think of FOR abortion. Even retro-abortion. Pitiful people.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 05:00 AM | Link to this

Since no Republican incumbents have actually lost anything yet, I’m going to assume that this is another pinko hallucination cartoon boy has had, much like his backing of Howard Dean’s presidential bid. Besides which, what opposition party do the Republicans have against them? The Libertarians?

By Andy

November 16, 2005 05:28 AM | Link to this

Since no Republican incumbents have actually lost anything yet, I’m going to a-s-s-u-m-e that this is another pinko hallucination cartoon boy has had, much like his backing of Howard Dean’s presidential bid. Besides which, what opposition party do the Republicans have against them? The Liberaterians?

By Davis

November 16, 2005 06:07 AM | Link to this

F*******$ Mike

By candide

November 16, 2005 06:55 AM | Link to this

It’s hilarious. It took Bush being away in Asia for the GOP in the Senate to get up enough courage to demand he brief the Congress on the war’s progress on a regular basis. When he gets home will they return to their pusillanimous behavior?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 07:07 AM | Link to this

Candide, do you really think they scheduled the vote based on Bush’s trips? What a joke. I am just waiting for you to start advocating troops killing their officers again. And by the way, which Republican incumbent lost? Oh wait, none have.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 07:26 AM | Link to this

Cartoon Boy tried to hide it but I found it-

(http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/luckovich/2003/090103.html)

AAAAAAARRRRYYYYYYGGGGGHHHHHEEEEEEAAAAAA!!!!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 16, 2005 07:31 AM | Link to this

I thought at first there was action on the New Madrid fault line, but no! It’s tumbling elephants.

By Anti GOP

November 16, 2005 07:32 AM | Link to this

Hey GOP loyalists—Luckovich wasn’t necessarily implying that the incumbents lost. He is showing that they are losing favor with the public, which is true. Every major legitimate poll shows this.

While I don’t support the GOP, the cartoon would be just as accurate by showing donkeys falling down too. Mistrust in Congressional Democrats is high, according to recent polls.

It seems to me that the smart, moderate minds of America have no interest in politics. Moderates for the most part get flushed out of both parties. ‘Scorn to the Republican that cares for the well being of the environment’ or ‘Scorn for the Democrat who is an evangelist.’ Our country needs a moderate third party to represent the views of those who fall in the middle of the liberal democrats and the radical conservatives. I would bet that party would win every election, or force the other parties closer to the middle.

By Wild Sects

November 16, 2005 08:02 AM | Link to this

Anti GOP has a point - I don’t know which is worse. The stupidity of the Republican party or the spineless behavior of the Democrats. A moderate third party would be ideal. Libertarians are just Republicans who haven’t found god yet and Greens are so to the left that they are never taken seriously.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:04 AM | Link to this

Anti GOP: Let me guess. You voted for Bush in 2000 but in 2004 blah, blah, blah.

See how these libs come at us with the squishy “we need to come together” nonsense? What they really want is for the Conservatives to get close enough so they can stab them in the back. For instance-

Bush let Ted Kennedy write the “No child left behind” legislation. Lot of good that did Bush to reach out like that.

Every democrat to a man voted to authorize the war in Iraq. Now, with victory in sight, at the precise moment that we really do need to “come together,” the dems are drawing up resolutions that would have us run screaming from Iraq.

Reach out, indeed.

By candide

November 16, 2005 08:24 AM | Link to this

Ricky: it is obvious that Bush is kaputt! The Senators from his own party have finally gotten the message from their constituents: the war is going nowhere but downhill, our men and women are dying for nothing. We are now blaming the Iraqis for lagging behind. Hell, they didn’t invite us in. We invaded. We need to get out. And yes, our troops need to shoot their officers, just as we need to impeach cheney/bush. I’ll speak later about the concentration campus I want to set up for Republicans and Conservatives — and yes, for Christians particularly.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 08:27 AM | Link to this

Candide, you bring nothing to this discussion. Ask the average Iraqi if they are happy we are there, 90% will tell you yes. You really don’t know what you are talking about. But hey you just make the left look bad so keep it up.

By Chris

November 16, 2005 08:31 AM | Link to this

Ignore candide. She and the other leftwingers need to blame somebody for the $#ithole their lives have become. Of course you realize it couldn’t be their fault because they’re all so good at taking responsibility for their own actions and shortcomings.

By candide

November 16, 2005 08:39 AM | Link to this

Ricky: are the Iraqis happy? You say yes, but how do you know. Would you be happy if your people have been killed, your cities devastated, your country divided and probably going to fall into the theocratic hands of the pro-Iranian Shiites? Yes Saddam is gone, but at least he was secular, kept the country together, and there was more prosperity than now. You are a fool if you think the Iraqis are happy. Well, why am I repeating myself. Your every word show how dumb you are. I wish you were a military officer so that some private or corporal could shoot you before leaving the war.

Chris: you rightwingers think you are patriots. But you are simply Fascisti.

By candide

November 16, 2005 08:40 AM | Link to this

At last count 89.6% of voters loved Mike’s cartoon. You rightwingers are out of step; soon we will put you out of sight.

By candide

November 16, 2005 08:42 AM | Link to this

I am trying to contact former heads of Soviet psychiatric wards where dissidents were sent for “reeducation.” Our rightwingers and Christian fascists need reeducation. I think we should hire these Soviet experts and set up places of internment all over the country — especially in Red States.

By Voice of Reason

November 16, 2005 08:45 AM | Link to this

Ricky - I partially agree with you, but it’s probably been a while since you left Iraq. They WERE happy we were there. They are wearing down and ready for us to leave.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:53 AM | Link to this

Candide: Click on the link below if you really want to see the happy Iraqi fools-

“Expose more Americans to the gratitude of the Iraqi people.Visit www.theotheriraq.com. The Web page features Kurds thanking America. Why have their voices not been heard on American news broadcasts and in major newspapers?- Cal Thomas 11/15/05

I know why! I know why! (Check out the link for real. It is pretty cool. Plus I can here the lib conspiracy experts say that we forced the Iraqis to smile at gunpoint.)

By Billy

November 16, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

Wow. It took four whole posts before someone trotted out “pinko”. Someone’s slacking off…

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:58 AM | Link to this

Candide: 89% of the pinkos like cartoon boy’s latest. This is a lib website. Mikey can’t even please all of you pacifists. It’s an inbred trait that makes you liberals complain.

By Chris

November 16, 2005 09:05 AM | Link to this

Concentration camps for re-education. Advocating the shooting of military officers by troops. And Candide call’s republicans facists? That’s funny. What’s really funny is the smartest thing to ever come out of Candide’s mouth was attached to her boyfriend!

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:10 AM | Link to this

Since when did Luck. become a Bush Hater? When he did the Why cartoon and got so much publicity for it?

By candide

November 16, 2005 09:15 AM | Link to this

Andy: please don’t quote me Cal Thomas. He is an evangelical blowhard hypocrite — a Pharisee, to you bible thumping idiots.

Chris: no woman or man would want to lick your little wienee.

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:18 AM | Link to this

You know I heard a good point on the radio this morning, why does the media want this to be a fair war? Why should we worry about detainees getting pushed around? These people strap themselves with explosives hoping to kill us! I hope everyone detained gets their eyes gouged out and their fingers cut off.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 09:19 AM | Link to this

I believe it was all eight Republicans incumbants in PA that lost to Democrats. It was over the “intelligent Design” issue.

By The Sad Truth

November 16, 2005 09:19 AM | Link to this

“What’s really funny is the smartest thing to ever come out of Candide’s mouth was attached to her boyfriend!”

This is the kind of “intelligent debate” one gets from people with no intelligence upon which to draw. It would be funny, if this type of attitude wasn’t responsible for the useless deaths of thousands of our best young people. Chris: Why aren’t you in Iraq if it is so critical to our national security? Why aren’t the Bush twins (or any children of our so-called leaders) over there? Why indeed…

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:21 AM | Link to this

Sad truth-I was there and I will gladly go back if my country asks me to.

By Voice of Reason

November 16, 2005 09:24 AM | Link to this

I was there too, but there’s no way in HE-LL I’d go back - country or not.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 09:26 AM | Link to this

I don’t think the country is asking any one to go back. I think it’s Bush asking soldiers to go back. Big difference.

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:27 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason, that’s why people like you don’t belong here

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:28 AM | Link to this

Rich, let me ask you a question. Why do you think we should pull out of Iraq? Not why the media thinks, You.

By The Sad Truth

November 16, 2005 09:28 AM | Link to this

Murf: you are to be applauded for your service and your courage. I wonder if your dedication is aimed more at those brave people with whom you served, or the mission itself. I personally believe this particular mission is wrong and sending our soldiers to fight and die for such a cause serves to weaken our military. I am thankful, however, that you have the courage to back up your beliefs and to defend our nation. Thank you.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 09:29 AM | Link to this

Our country is great because we question authority. Not because we blindly do what we are told by those in power. Follow Bush if you want. I think the man is an idiot and look forward to 2008.

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:30 AM | Link to this

Thank you, but how is this a wrong reason?

By Voice of Reason

November 16, 2005 09:30 AM | Link to this

Murf - Believe it or not, I couldn’t care less where you think I belong. And if you were REALLY there, I doubt very much that you would gladly go back. If you were there the only reason you’d go back is because you HAD to. A-ssuming you are still enlisted.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 09:30 AM | Link to this

I never said we should pull out of Iraq. Don’t put words in my mouth.

By Erik

November 16, 2005 09:30 AM | Link to this

RE: Murf, even Charles Manson got a trial. I have no problem doing to them what they do to us and others ONCE you have proved it. The problem is folks with no guilt,rather proven guilt, being detained. Would anyone in this country tolerate sitting in jail till they decided to prove you ran a red light much less killed ten people ? This country should lead by example and not degenerate to they do it so should we. We keep giving detractors the ammunition they need to prove their points.

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this

I didn’t Rich, I was just asking you a ?

By candide

November 16, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this

The Fascisti think they can march to washington, dc with Limbaugh, Hannity, and Buchanan in the lead to take power. Ha! Remember what happened to Mussolini, their hero. Strung up upside down in a public square with his mistress. I cannot wait to string up that fat Limbaugh, that Irish clown Hannity, and that little Hitler Buchanan. And all the rest of you morons.

But it would be easier to ship them to Iraq

By This Justin

November 16, 2005 09:35 AM | Link to this

Murf, you are a baby killer just like abortion doctors, you just might burn in hell.

Soldiers and Abortionists are MURDERERS.

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:36 AM | Link to this

Voice of Reason-my enlistment ended in June, but I guess there is a slight chance in the inactive reserves but I doubt it. I really miss already, still thinking about going ANG.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 09:37 AM | Link to this

I don’t think we should have gone in in the first place.

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:38 AM | Link to this

Thanks Justin! See you there!

By Andy

November 16, 2005 09:38 AM | Link to this

Spoken like a true pinko, Erik. Always coming down on the side of the savages, the ones who are really committing crimes. Don’t take it upon yourself to denounce our fighting men in the field, loser, they know what is right and what is wrong.

Why don’t you libs show Scooter Libby the same considerations you do for the killer terrorists?

By The Sad Truth

November 16, 2005 09:39 AM | Link to this

There are many evil people in our world and sometimes they come to power with terrible results. If only we had the power to defeat them and free their people. Sadly, however, we do not. What Saddam did was beyond belief and forgiveness, but many others have done worse, particularly in Africa, and the United States has taken no action. Rwanda comes to mind. Sadly, for them, there is no significant oil there.

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:41 AM | Link to this

Hey Rich and voice, I’m not here to tell you your views are wrong, I’m just here to state my opinion, because I’m so slow at work and nothing better to do than wind you people up!

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:42 AM | Link to this

Sad truth, must I bring up Clinton’s little Vietnam-like debacles in Africa?

By The Sad Truth

November 16, 2005 09:44 AM | Link to this

Andy: To my knowledge, Scooter is not being held in a filty Hell hole and mistreated in horrible ways without being actually charged with anything. Seems to me, he’s at his lovely home awaiting trial…or did I miss something?

By Voice of Reason

November 16, 2005 09:47 AM | Link to this

Murf you don’t wind me up - but nice try! I bleed scarlet and gold and sh!t Eagle, Globe and Achors, but I would never go back to Iraq. 14 months was long enough, we are just marking time over there right now. It’s like running across the highway, you’re bound to get screwed.

By The Sad Truth

November 16, 2005 09:48 AM | Link to this

Murf: I don’t see why Clinton doing something wrong makes what Bush is doing right? And I suspect you don’t either.

Oh…and I’m glad you’re here to wind things up a bit. That’s what we need around here!

Justin: What in the world are you talking about? Please…seek help.

By Murf

November 16, 2005 09:50 AM | Link to this

Ooh Rah devil Dog, Yeah Justin, I thought we discussed this yesterday, take your meds and go lay down

By Mike

November 16, 2005 09:52 AM | Link to this

I’d join the discussion, if there was a discussion.

Bush flu kills nerve cells in the frontal cortex.

Signs of the disease can be obvious except to those infected. Early signs are similiar to rabies with the infected people drooling at the sight of cowboy hats or boots.

Some other primary stage symptoms include diarrhea of the mouth and consipation of the brain.

Secondary stage causes the patients to have uncontrolled urges to relive the past, watch any cable news show with bright moving lights, and carry on one sided conversations with AM radios.

In the terminal stages, patients naturally migrate to churches to await their final disaster.

By The Sad Truth

November 16, 2005 09:55 AM | Link to this

Mike: You rule! That was great. You are correct that there is no discussion here. Just a bunch of us talking to ourselves…

By Murf

November 16, 2005 10:00 AM | Link to this

I guess I should return to “work”. I hope RW will be around to set you people straight!!!

By haulover

November 16, 2005 10:01 AM | Link to this

Funny how the so-called pro-life crowd approves of abortion for those of us who are pro-choice. What a bunch of hypocrites.

By The Sad Truth

November 16, 2005 10:07 AM | Link to this

Murf: I have to get back to work, too. Thanks for spending some time on all this. You are an interesting guy…

By Curious the Cat

November 16, 2005 10:09 AM | Link to this

George W. Bush’s campaign against terrorism includes opposing nations ruled by dictators who do not believe in democracy. (See Inaugural Address 2005)I read that there are 43 countries ruled by dictators and many torture and murder dissidents. If the US is concerned with ridding a country of its dictator, why start and stop with Saddam? Why aren’t we working to remove the really bada$$ dictators first and then work our way up the list? Just curious.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 10:13 AM | Link to this

Candide, I left Iraq in June and the vast majority of the Iraqi’s I encountered were happy we were there. That is how I know, I have been there twice. Have you been there? Or are you basing your opinions solely off media reports. I don’t really expect you to be logical since you advocate soldiers killing their officers and enjoy calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you a fascist, but maybe we can bring you back to reality, out of your blissfully ignorant liberal world. I am glad there aren’t more people like you in the world.

By candide

November 16, 2005 10:21 AM | Link to this

Ricky: a….hole that you are. You don’t speak Arabic. Those Iraqis will smile and shine it on, making you think they love you and your being in their country as you destroy. But they would knife you in the back at a moment’s notice and with good reason.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:23 AM | Link to this

Curious the Cat,

Now I’m curious, would you mind loosely ranking dictators with the really bad ones on top? Be sure to place Saddam on your list somewhere.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 10:28 AM | Link to this

Only two Republican incumbent losses have been certified as far as I know and those were the governor’s races in the states of New Jersey (heavily Democratic anyway) and Virginia. As far as I know, none of the other races have been certified yet.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 10:28 AM | Link to this

RW: It appears that Candide is running low on opium, you might want to watch your step today.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 10:29 AM | Link to this

Candide, have you talked to an Iraqi? Have you been there? I have done both of those things. I have seen Iraqis help us find the bad guys. I have seen the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi Police fight and kill the terrorists standing right next to American forces. And are you really saying that you would like to see Iraqi’s kill American soldiers? Are you reall one of those guys?

By Matt

November 16, 2005 10:31 AM | Link to this

Sotn, NO republican incumbents have lost. In both Virginia and New Jersey the governors seat was already held by Democrats.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 10:33 AM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: The democrats already held those 2 governorships, you should venture beyond the pages of Al Jazeera for your news.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 10:37 AM | Link to this

All eight republican incumbants lost to democrats in PA.

By Matt

November 16, 2005 10:41 AM | Link to this

For what seats Rich, state legislatures?

By Andy

November 16, 2005 10:42 AM | Link to this

Rich: Eight judges lost their seats in PA and it was due to the pay raise the legislature gave itself this spring. Are all you libs ignorant of current events? Oh, sorry, I forgot this was the Atlanta Journal Constitution website. Silly me.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:43 AM | Link to this

Rich,

Wasn’t that a small town school board or city council?

Andy,

Say what you will about Candide and her loony fratricide/political genocide ideas, at least you know exactly where she’s coming from.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 10:44 AM | Link to this

I think it was a school board. It was big news because it was all about “Intelligent Design”. So yes, Republican incumbants lost big there. Arnie also lost big in CA. It was a small election but you still have to admit that the election did appear to swing for democrats no matter how small the victory or how small the office.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 10:47 AM | Link to this

Andy, just rebutting the comment made by Matt about NO rep republicans losing. Not trying to cause an argument. It’s a discussion. Sheesh!

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 10:49 AM | Link to this

You are absolutely right, my bad, the way the story I read about those races was written made it seem like it was an incumbent loss when it was an incumbent holding off a Democratic challenge, sorry guys. However, I really did read a story that said a Democratic challenger beat out a 12-year Republican incumbent - wait for it - for a seat on the Bensalem, PA town council. Wow, chalk one up for the Dems!

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 10:49 AM | Link to this

oops - I meant Republican challenge, forgot to take my meds this morning.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 10:50 AM | Link to this

Rich, Arnold lost big in California, the most liberal state in the union. In the past two weeks, San Fran for instance has passed laws forbidding all guns in the city and prohibiting military recruiters from coming into public schools. That place is not representative of America. And is not as if Pennslyvania is a big Republican state either. The governor is a Dem and although both Senators are Republican, Spector is one of the more liberal Republicans in Congress. So yes, Dems won some elections but I don’t think it has the far reaching implications people want to put on it.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:51 AM | Link to this

Here is the school board story

The story says challengers defeated incumbents, and only labels one person as a Democrat.

Since it was a school board it was probably a non-partisan election.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 10:53 AM | Link to this

Just stating the fact. And the “most liberal state in the country” overwhelmingly elected a Republican. Now they are voting against him. Besides, I thought Massachusetts was the most liberal. I guess it depends on the topic.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 10:56 AM | Link to this

I don’t think that “just a school board” that it automatically makes in non-partisan. It was a clear loss for “intelligent Design”.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 10:57 AM | Link to this

Rich, lets keep in mind how Arnold got elected. A democrat had been thrown out of office and do you remember who some of the candidates were? A midget actor, a porn star, a movie star, and a political pundit. Not a lot to choose from. And I have always believed Cali is the most liberal state. There is a reason they call it the left coast.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 10:58 AM | Link to this

… and the religious right is a huge base for Republicans. Therefore a huge loss for Republicans. Both sides need to get back in the middle.

By Daniel

November 16, 2005 10:59 AM | Link to this

Pooling ignorance again, I see.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 10:59 AM | Link to this

What are some of the issues that are on the extreme left that the right gets so upset about?

By Matt

November 16, 2005 11:01 AM | Link to this

Rich, most Republicans or supporters of Intelligent Design don’t want that taught exclusively or in science class, most want it taught in a religion class if the school offers it, which some don’t. Most people who are against it portray like conservatives only want that taught or that evolution is not a valid concept, that is not true for most of us. I don’t consider that a big loss for Republicans. If people who are clearly anti-war like the ex-Marine who ran for office in Ohio as a Dem(and lost) start winning and defeating incumbent elections, then that would be a big loss for the right side of the aisle.

By Curious the Cat

November 16, 2005 11:02 AM | Link to this

RW:

There were 45 countries run by dictators but Saddam and Charles Taylor of Liberia have been deposed leaving 43. Per a Parade Magazine article, here are the Top 10 Dictators. (I have not studied dictators so I’m deferring to someone who has.) The article lists the reasons they made the list along with some “dishonorable mention” candidates.(http://archive.parade.com/2005/0213/0213_dictator.html)

By Rich

November 16, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this

In this case I disagree. ALL of the incumbants supported ID. All of the democrats did not. All of the dems won and all the rep lost. Therefore a huge loss…again in this case.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:08 AM | Link to this

C the C,

Thanks, but as you said they don’t list Saddam because we had deposed him. It was you that made the comment that we should have gone after bad dictators first.

So I was wondering where you would have put Saddam. Since your story shows a “last years ranking”, maybe we can find out where Saddam was on the list a few years ago.

By getalife

November 16, 2005 11:09 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Looks like you got some competition. Check this young cartoonist out below. By Edwin Stuart

November 15, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich is the best, but my son did an earlier version of the evolution cartoon that might be better.

(http://www.postofficeparanoid.com/intelligent_design.htm)

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 11:12 AM | Link to this

RW, with what you do know of those men in the top 10 dictators, who do you think should top the list? I think Mugabe should be at the top…after all, he took a country that has one of the fastest growing sub-Saharan African economies and completely tanked it. I read somewhere that nearly 30% of the population could face death due to malnutrition in the coming year.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this

Rich,

Where are you getting the story that all of the callangers were Democrats?

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

sickof…

Of those listed, I think I would place Mugabe third. The first two seem well placed and I have no idea how Parade dropped Mugabe from fourth to ninth.

By Curious the Cat

November 16, 2005 11:21 AM | Link to this

In 2003, in Parade Magazine’s listing of the Top 10 Worst Dictators, Saddam came in #3 behind Kim Jong II (#1)of Korea and Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia (#2). It looks like 2003 was the first year for this series.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 11:22 AM | Link to this

Don’t remember exactly but many different sources.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:26 AM | Link to this

It’s funny how people like Rich can never seam to come up with their sources.

Republicans take over Plum, Pa. city council

Since we’re basing our political fortunes on small town Pennsylvania, does that story mean Republicans are taking over?

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 11:29 AM | Link to this

CTC - what does the article say are the criteria for making this list? or does it? Is it because of their human rights violations, abuse of their citizens? genocide? economic?

By Rich

November 16, 2005 11:30 AM | Link to this

If you think you are proving something because I don’t state my source then good for you….I watch the news and read the papers. I don’t sit in a the library of Congress all day worrying about this. Prove it yourself. It’s eight little offices in PA. I know it happened and so does everyone else. Go research it yourself. It’s old news now.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: You bring up an excellent point in your 10:49 post. The lib media writes their stories and manipulates the headlines so that they are intentionally misleading. These people don’t care if you know the truth; they just want to string you along in their pinko world view.

By Daniel

November 16, 2005 11:34 AM | Link to this

Matt: Great post. Paul Hackett (Former USMC) ran for the Congress out of Cinncinati. In a reliably Republican district he lost only 52/48, in a district President Bush carried above 60%. Hackett has been tabbed by the Ohio Dems to run for the Senate. Ohio has been beset with corruption. There was a guy who ripped of the State on a coin deal. The Gov. has been convicted of a crime. They have lost many manufacturing jobs to China.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:36 AM | Link to this

Rich,

I already did research it and provided you a link to the local story.

Go to my 10:51 post and read the story I linked to. (That would the blue letters that say “Here is the school board story”)

By Matt

November 16, 2005 11:37 AM | Link to this

Daniel, you are right, he lost once and will lose again. What state in the industrial midwest hasn’t lost jobs to overseas? That was going on in the Clinton admin also.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 11:38 AM | Link to this

I saw your link…it was not the story I had been commenting on. Keep looking.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:41 AM | Link to this

Rich,

I’ll take the local reporters story over some mythical story you claim to have seen.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

Looks like Hillary is caving to the left anti-war movement and changing her position on the war. Mrs. Clinton reversed herself on whether the U.S. should announce a timetable for a U.S. pullout, voting for an amendment proposed by Iraq war opponent, Sen. Russ Feingold. The Feingold Amendment stipulates “estimated dates for the phased redeployment” of U.S. troops in Iraq. Sen. Feingold has set a target date for a complete U.S. withdrawal by Dec. 31, 2006. Asked in February, however, whether she supported a timetable for withdrawal, Mrs. Clinton told NBC’s “Meet the Press”:

“At this point in time, I think that would be a mistake. I don’t believe we should tie our hands or the hands of the new Iraqi government. Now obviously, as this government is stood up and takes responsibility, there may come a time when it decides for its own internal reasons that we should set such a deadline and withdrawal agenda. But right now I think it would be a mistake.”

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 11:45 AM | Link to this

Heres another beauty: The Democratic Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee told Chris Wallace, “I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course.”

By Andy

November 16, 2005 11:48 AM | Link to this

Hey, what about a top ten list of dictators that the pinkos just adore? I know Castro is the default #1 but I’d like to see the other 9.

Kim Jong Il issued a new decree to the workers of his kingdom paradise. I have a portion of the transcript- “Effective immediately each family will be given one turnip per day as a replacement for the sweet potato you were receiving. Dear Leader reminds you that this gift is not to be taken lightly. All unused food portions shall be returned daily.”

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this

sickof…,

Here’s a direct link to the 2005 story C the C posted.

They have pretty decent explanations of what they are basing things on, but some of it doesn’t make too much sense with respect to rankings.

C the C,

I didn’t go any further than the page you posted, is there a different link to the other lists?

By Rich

November 16, 2005 11:50 AM | Link to this

Good for you. For someone who demands research you’ve obviously limited yours to your liking. Funny actually since you regard the media as liberal and that you should base your opinion on one small article which has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I bet you can find that list on Jimmy Carters web site.

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this

Luckless Luckovich has drawn his daffy dreams again. I’d rather have “Bush Flu” than “Demo Dumbness”. Mike forgot to draw braying donkeys in the background—the Demos admiring their only qualified candidate, the man in the moon.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 11:52 AM | Link to this

What do 8 Republican mini-losses in Pennsylvania really mean to the rest of this country? Come on! In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t mean squat! The vote for the Democrats was a vote against ID, not necessarily against the Republican challengers themselves.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 11:54 AM | Link to this

Ricky: That’s Jay Rockefeller, Democrat- West Virginia, who did that. He basically prewarned Saddam, 9 months ahead of the invasion, that the U.S. was going to attack him. This gave the Iraqis a chance to disperse any WMD that they did have to all of the other delightful little countries surrounding them. Who knows what’s out there, just over the border.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this

Sick: That’s exactly my point yet RW wants to make something else of it. My other point was to offset a statement Matt Made that NO Republican incumbants lost. That’s all. RW wants to twist and turn everything.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:55 AM | Link to this

sick of…,

At 11:26 I linked to a Republican takeover in Pa. It doesn’t mean anything either, but really seems to irratate Rich.

By Curious the Cat

November 16, 2005 11:56 AM | Link to this

Sickoftheneocons:

To compile his “10 Worst� list, PARADE contributing Editor David Wallechinsky consulted independent human-rights organizations that are willing to expose both left- and right-wing regimes, such as Freedom House, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. “I looked at the documented suppression of those freedoms and rights that Americans take for granted,� he says. “Freedom of speech and religion, freedom to choose elected representatives and to disagree with their government, and the right to a fair trial.� He gave “extra credit� to those dictators who torture prisoners and others, execute political opponents, cause their citizens to starve or to suffer malnutrition and who interfere violently in the politics of countries other than their own.

I realize there are numerous criteria and sources to use in ranking dictators and I’m sure the PARADE rankings could be debated ad nauseum but I thought the PARADE articles were insightful. The articles do list the reasons each made the list.

Interestingly, of the Axis of Evil countries of North Korea, Iraq and Iran, Iran does not appear on any of the lists - 2003, 2004 nor 2005. Perhaps they’ll make it in 2006?

I wonder … if women “ruled” more countries, would they develop ruthless dicator tendencies like these men have? Hmmmmmmmmm

By Andy

November 16, 2005 11:57 AM | Link to this

That name Jay Rockefeller, Democrat- West Virginia, might sound familiar to you libs. He’s your lead anti war protestor, Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman, voted for the war in Iraq, that’s Jay Rockefeller, Democrat-West Virginia.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 11:58 AM | Link to this

I’m not irritated at all. I know what happened. You can ramble all you want. Are you here just to irritate people?

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 12:01 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Jay Rockefeller is also the only one that said “Iraq is an imminent threat”.

By Curious the Cat

November 16, 2005 12:04 PM | Link to this

RW,

Here you go. Hope this works (I’m new at this):

2004 Top 10 Worst List

2003 Top 10 Worst List

By Andy

November 16, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this

Look at the Drudge Report. Below the headline “Clinton says Iraq war a mistake,” see the soldier that Clinton must have just visited, he left him with a Penthouse magazine on the nightstand. That Clinton is a great guy!

I wonder if he’s talked to Hillary in a while, she voted for the Iraq war. Embarrassing.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 12:08 PM | Link to this

Curious,

The links work fine. Thanks! I’m going back to read them. This is certainly a better topic than small town Pa.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 12:09 PM | Link to this

RW and Andy, do you guys think that all of these Democrats said what they said because they had a look at the same faulty intelligence that Bush had or because they wanted to show solidarity with the President after a frightening terrorist attack? We all know what happened to McKinney after she shoved both feet in her mouth with a hefty amount of hot sauce…

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 12:09 PM | Link to this

Its not even fun to pick on the Clinton’s anymore. There MO is too well known, they will do whatever is politically expedient. That is why Hillary is running to the middle right now, she is getting ready to run for President. She will then run left in the primaries before going back to the middle. That is why she won’t win.

By Matt

November 16, 2005 12:12 PM | Link to this

Sofn, here is my problem with how Dems have handled the prewar intel. We all agree is has proven to be wrong to this point. No WMD’s. The intel was universally excepted as legit before the war, no one questioned it then. My problem is that now they are saying Bush manipulated the intel. They have no prove of that they are just using it as a political ploy. If they said, look the intel was wrong we all know that now lets fix it so it doesn’t happen again. Then they would have a lot more credibility in my eyes.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 12:14 PM | Link to this

sickof…,

Since a lot of these quotes from Democrats go back to 1998, I don’t think President Bush or 9/11 had much to do with it.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 12:23 PM | Link to this

And Ricky, how is that different from Pres. Bush just did with the Meirs nomination?

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

Seems to me he really believed that Meirs was the most qualified person for the job, whether she was or not, but as soon as he caught heat for it from his base, she conveniently withdrew from the running, interesting timing don’t you think? It could just be coincidence….

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

It would appear to me that she withdrew on her own. Bush stood by her until the end. I really do think it was just coincidence.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 12:31 PM | Link to this

Guys, I’m off to lunch, be back in an hour to discuss some more…I really like have a real discussion other than fireworks and name-calling…

By SherryVL

November 16, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

HA HA HA — great cartoon again, Lucko! I’ve often said that the 35% who are still clinging to Dubya’s policies must have damaged frontal lobes. But, you diagnosed the problem even better: Bush flu! I’m gonna add this one to my bulletin board today. :>)

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

sickof…

Was that a typo or did you go “valley girl” on us?

LOL

By Rich

November 16, 2005 12:57 PM | Link to this

Eight incumbant republicans were defeated by democrats in PA.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 12:59 PM | Link to this

Miami Mayors race: Manny Diaz, Republican, easily won over 4 challengers. He was the incumbent.

So much for the democratic resurgence….

By The Vent

November 16, 2005 01:00 PM | Link to this

Stop with the “right� and “left� and rejoin the human race.

Our country was founded because we could not tolerate oppressive government. Why do we tolerate it now?

Real venters don’t need pictures to get the joke.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 01:01 PM | Link to this

Democrats are better looking than republicans.

By buff

November 16, 2005 01:02 PM | Link to this

To paraphrase Neal Boortz: The lobby for the Iraqi Terrorists in Iraq, aka Senate Democrats, lost an important vote yesterday.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 01:03 PM | Link to this

Neal Boortz = Pat Robertson

By Rich

November 16, 2005 01:04 PM | Link to this

The vote yesterday by Republicans was a loss for Bush.

By gadem

November 16, 2005 01:05 PM | Link to this

Ricky, Why do you all act as if someone changes their stated position on a subject, they are caving in to some special interest group. Looks like Hillary is caving to the left anti-war movement and changing her position on the war I know for a fact that if your President would reevaluate his facts he should reverse his position, but then again staying the course on a rudderless ship is why you guys love Bush so much.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 01:05 PM | Link to this

I’ll take a Republican incumbent mayor over 8 democrat school board seats.

By buff

November 16, 2005 01:05 PM | Link to this

Boortz = Robertson? Back up your claim

By Rich

November 16, 2005 01:08 PM | Link to this

They’re both freaks

By Andy

November 16, 2005 01:09 PM | Link to this

Bill Clinton’s “wife” never changed her story about Iraq. She’s got more “Saddam has WMD” quotes out there than Bush, Cheney, Powell and Rice put together. Remember, she spent 8 years defending her “husbands” position on Iraq WMD when he was bombing them.

By buff

November 16, 2005 01:14 PM | Link to this

List specifics of how Boortz and robertson are freaks

By buff

November 16, 2005 01:15 PM | Link to this

How are both Boortz and Robertson freaks?

By Rich

November 16, 2005 01:16 PM | Link to this

Don’t tell me what to do.

By buff

November 16, 2005 01:19 PM | Link to this

Rich, ok, you made a claim and I asked you to backup that claim. So, PLEASE, back up your claim.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 01:20 PM | Link to this

Nope

By gadem

November 16, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

Buff, have you actually sat down and listened to Boortz and Robertson speak? If you have done so sober, there is your facts…

By buff

November 16, 2005 01:27 PM | Link to this

Rich, I recongize your are probably embarrassed by your statement, but, do not worry, that is ok. below are similarities and differences. And, the next time you want to make a claim and/or an argument, run it by me first and I will be glad to fairly critique your work, even if I disagree with you.

Ok, let me help you out here. 1. both support a war on terrorism; 2. both want a smaller federal govt. on economic issues; 3. both want school vouchers; 4. both want a strong immigration policy

How do they differ: 1. abortion 2. legalizing drugs 3. gay marriage 4. Libertarian vs. far left religious right 5. prayer in school 6. terry Schiavo 7. Boortz is pro-gun and I have never heard robertson mention guns.

So, your claim has been successfully and easily refuted.

Have a nice day

By Andy

November 16, 2005 01:28 PM | Link to this

It shows you how shallow Bill Clinton is when he comes out to denounce the war just so he can score points with some anti war skank that he’s trying to slum with. He could care less about his “wife’s” credibility on the issue or her presidential run.

By Daniel

November 16, 2005 01:30 PM | Link to this

Matt: we will have to wait and see. May the best person win! My, my, this blog is getting a bit testy. I’m off to my workout. Bye, bye.

By Granny

November 16, 2005 01:36 PM | Link to this

I have been reading the blog for a few days now and noticed that both sides do a lots of name calling. I admit that I don’t have an answer for the sad shape our country is in. I was wondering if anyone out there can hold the name calling and give a plan of action to get our country back on track. I always say if there is a problem then try to find a way to fix it. Let’s don’t wimp out with fighting amonst ourselves. It didn’t work in the civil war and it is not productive now. If you could be president for a day what would you do?

By Andy

November 16, 2005 01:40 PM | Link to this

Granny: Do you agree that drawing pictures of dead elephants is a good way to unite the country?

By Daniel

November 16, 2005 01:44 PM | Link to this

Laughter is good for ones health. And, the elephants aren’t dead, yet. They’re on their way out. Toodles.

By buff

November 16, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this

Prez for a day: 1. make tax cuts permanent 2. get rid of death taxes 3. enforce immigration laws 4. get rid of teh Dept of Education 5. Legalize drugs and pardon non-violent drug offenders 6. Farm out many govt duties to provate companies, such as the USPS 7. play with the interns 8. investigate why Sandy Berger got off so easy 9. Begina counter organizatin to the United Nations comprised of democraticy-style govts. only 10. Offer $10 billion dollars to the univesity who first came up witha truly fuel efficient auto that is larger than a case of beer 11. Have drive through lanes for federal deathpenalty cases 12. Hire Monica Lewinsky as a traveling companion, and 13. begin process for impeaching Justice Ruth Bader Ginsbeg, because no one that ugly shoudl be in the public eye

By Andy

November 16, 2005 01:45 PM | Link to this

Every time I call you a pinko, Daniel, I have a smile on my face. Ta-Ta.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

Granny,

If your ultimate desire is just to have everyone agree, why do you presuppose that your position is the correct one?

I personally hope we never agree in lockstep.

By Voice of Reason

November 16, 2005 01:50 PM | Link to this

Maybe not Andy, but it is kinda funny.

By gadem

November 16, 2005 01:52 PM | Link to this

Well Granny the first thing I would do is try and get back to basics. First things first is to deal with all of the wedge issues that are dividing our country. Wedge issues:

1) Abortion- Keep it legal or come up with viable alternatives. You can not be against abortion, and want to put the kids in an already underfunded foster care system. If you want to put these kids in foster care please properly fund the programs that will help the kids. Raise minimum wage so that the teenage mothers that do decide to keep their kids can actually work to support their kids and get out of the system. 2) Gay Marriage- Who really cares. Not my business what you do in your bedroom, nor is your business what I do in mine.

By gadem

November 16, 2005 01:55 PM | Link to this

Now buff number 13 was funny.

By buff

November 16, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

Hey ,gaden, thanks. Yeah, how about #12

By Andy

November 16, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

gadem: See, you open your mouth and it makes things worse. 1) Why do you always go to the “lib daddy in his daughter’s bedroom” argument? The real answer is to teach young girls respect, honor and responsibility. 2)If gay marriage is none of my business, why do you people parade through my neighborhood?

Granny, it is hopeless with these pinkos….

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

Granny, you are absolutely right — in theory, but I have a sick feeling that it’s already too late. If you’ve been reading these, or any blogs, you know that half the people in the good ol’ US of A would RATHER fight with other Americans than to face or address an actual problem, let alone put in the time, thought, or effort to solve one. Name calling and finger pointing is EASY compared to learning, facing truths, being objective, and looking for real answers. If each of us here represents a certain percentage of the Americans, then truly, we are already lost.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

gadem,

That raising the minimum wage thing works really well in Europe, doesn’t it?

Maybe you’re not a liberal, you sound more like a full fledged socialist.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 02:04 PM | Link to this

kimberly: Do you agree that drawing a picture of dead elephants is a good way to unite the country?

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 02:14 PM | Link to this

Buff, I agree with almost everything you just said except the tax cut part. I agree we should make tax cuts permanent but that step should only be taken AFTER we have cut this budget by at least 25% and put provisions in place so that as the need arises to raise spending in one area of the economy means we decrease the amount of spending on any other portion of the economy that doesn’t need the $$

By SherryVL

November 16, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this

Andy, those elephants may not be dead— they might just be feeling very sick, like some of our reps. in Congress. Look out, 2006!

By buff

November 16, 2005 02:19 PM | Link to this

Hey, sick, no problem with your ideas. WE HAVE to lower discretionary spending. Teh amount of foreign debt, mostly through bonds, is scarey. But, those pols in Dc, buth parties, are more concerned about getting reelected through vote-buying that it will never happen, I fear

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 02:20 PM | Link to this

Andy, I’ll agree that some folks are confused by the use of metaphor, feel threatened as a result, and respond by attacking the patriotism of anyone who uses one to illustrate a current event.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 02:27 PM | Link to this

I’m with you Buff, everyone sitting in a House or Senate chair is so worried about getting re-elected that to propose any type of cut or even penny-pinching results in cold sweats and convulsions. To quote from Charles Durden: “Washington D.C. isn’t about making a difference or doing good anymore, the only thing it’s about is being there.”

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 02:28 PM | Link to this

This blog could be a great place for discussion of issues, but most of the time it turns into name calling from a couple of people on both sides of the issue. After about the first ten posts nobody is really even talking about Lucko’s cartoon bashing the administration, we are usually off on some other subject.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this

They cut off about half of my post, so I will try again. This could be a good place for discussion. Most of the time we aren’t even discussing whatever issue Lucko has decided to bash Bush on. I just hope that the two or three people from each side that just want to call names and impune peoples integrity without adding anything to the discussion would leave

By Andy

November 16, 2005 02:32 PM | Link to this

kimberly: “Confused” by the use of “metaphors?” That is all cartoon boy does is use “metaphors.” There is no “confusion” here about his attacks on America. He is weakening this country because his political party lost at the ballot box. Show me one devisive cartoon about the Clinton Administration.

By Shemp

November 16, 2005 02:33 PM | Link to this

Which one are you Andy? Moe,Larry,or Curly?

By buff

November 16, 2005 02:33 PM | Link to this

Ricky, true, but how much can one say about a cortoon. Looney-toons Lucko bashed Bush four times a week, so, we would keep having the same confab every day. What p——es me off about Looney-Tunes Lucko is that he claime to be an “Independent.” How can you be an “I” and not ridicule Howard Dean, Kennedy, Schumer, etc. But, Bush is fair game, but so are the Dems

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 02:33 PM | Link to this

Well I guess you can’t use the author of the cartoon’s name anymore, becuase that keeps getting taken out of my posts. Oh well

By Wilma Lamb

November 16, 2005 02:35 PM | Link to this

I love your cartoons especially since I live in the Flat Earth state shown on the map as Kansas. wilmafrom kansas

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 02:35 PM | Link to this

Buff,Lucko said he was a “moderate Democrat” which is laughable, but what can you do.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 02:36 PM | Link to this

Gays wouldn’t have to March in your neighborhood if they had the same rights you have.

By buff

November 16, 2005 02:37 PM | Link to this

Hey, Wilma, I grew up in the Missouri Ozarks, whereabouts ya’ from in Kansas

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 02:38 PM | Link to this

Rich, other than marriage what rights are gays missing?

By Rich

November 16, 2005 02:39 PM | Link to this

OK yes they would. But who doesn’t love a good parade?

By Andy

November 16, 2005 02:40 PM | Link to this

Ricky: Type his name in like this: C-a-r-t-o-o-n b-o-y. The computer won’t censor it.

By gadem

November 16, 2005 02:42 PM | Link to this

Andy, I don’t parade through your neighborhood…you must have mistaken me for one of your cross dressing friends. It is easy to shoot down someone else when you have nothing to add to the discussion.

RW, for America to be in the position that it is in, there should not be people working a full-time and part-time job to make ends meet. You people complain about people being on government programs but you don’t want to try and help people get off of the programs.

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 02:43 PM | Link to this

Andy… DUDE. It’s in Luckovich’s Political Cartoonist job description. That’s what he DOES for a living! And yes, he poked plenty of fun at our previous President! I do not perceive this cartoon as divisive. Why do YOU see it as divisive? Is anything that does not demand worshipping the Savior Bush “divisive?” I won’t presume to know your mind.

I see it as an observation that some Republicans are distancing themselves from the President due to his unusually low poll numbers. The flu reference ties it to yet another current event, namely, the most recent attempt by the administration to scare us back into our hidey holes so we won’t look at the disastrous job they’re doing. That is MY interpretation of this cartoon. How do you see it as a call to divide?

By Andy

November 16, 2005 02:43 PM | Link to this

Rich: Gays make such a productive family unit. How many new future taxpayers can they create, er, evolve, I mean give birth to?

By Rich

November 16, 2005 02:45 PM | Link to this

Why would anyone want to watch you two parade through their neighborhoods? Let’s face it, Gays throw better parades than you can. Don’t be jealous.

By Curious the Cat

November 16, 2005 02:47 PM | Link to this

Since someone brought up Pat Robertson, I offer the following article I found while researching the Top 10 Worst Dictators. This article describes a relationship between Brother Pat and Charles Taylor the deposed dictator of Liberia. In the words of Arte Johnson: Very interesting.

[The Terrorist & the Televangelist[( http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/patquotes/patgold.htm)

By Curious the Cat

November 16, 2005 02:48 PM | Link to this

Oops, here’s the link:

The Terrorist & the Televangelist“>http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/patquotes/patgold.htm)

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 02:50 PM | Link to this

Gadem, so what are you advocating, that everyone be allowed to make over a certain amount of money? That there be no low paying jobs? Or just that the government provides assistance so that people can work a low paying job and still receive money for the federal government. I would like to hear your solution.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 02:52 PM | Link to this

kimberly: Easy with the anger, remember! It’s George W Bush’s job to protect this country, and if you had paid attention in civics class you would also know that it is your responsibility to protect this country. Not to be a pinko, degenerate who can’t accept the fact that the people voted them out of office because their ideas are debase, immoral and unproductive. We want better for our future and I am going to fight for this where ever I can. Thanks for asking.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 02:53 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, please ignore Andy. I don’t see him as representative of most of the conservative movement. Heres an honest question for you: Do you really think the President is trying to scare us by talking about bird flu?

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

Bird flu or Bush flu? CNN Money reports on the interesting love trirangle between the Avian Flu, Defense Sec. Donald Rumsfeld, the now in-demand Tamiflu vaccine, the widespread panic we are supposed to begin any minute now, Rummy’s stock portfolio, and billions of US tax dollars: http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news/newsmakers/fortune_rumsfeld/?cnn=yes

By Rich

November 16, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

I think it’s great that the Bush Administration is taking Bird Flu seriously. Hooray, they are doing something right. Look what happened when Reagan ignored the AIDS crisis. But hell at that time it was only Gay people dying. I can think of two people on this site who would think that’s ok. I give Bush high marks on this.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

gadem,

Nice sidestep, but the countries that are using your solutions right now are in terrible shape, unlike here where we have solid economic growth and prosperity.

Our unemployment is 5%, when Clinton was President Democrats called that full employment.

Keeping people bogged down in welfare programs and using government to set wage and price controls won’t help anybody.

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 02:56 PM | Link to this

Kimberley’s right. Even as one who defends Bush on occasion (yes when he’s killing terrorists, no when he’s spending my money), I agree that whoever is in the White House is fair game for cartoonists and commentators. It’s no secret a lot of Republicans up for election next year are avoiding him. Even our own Gov. Sonny managed to skip a photo op with the veep last week. When the polls turn against you, expect your own followers to do the same. It’s just the nature of politics. Kick ‘em when they’re up, kick ‘em when they’re down …

By buff

November 16, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

I just read an aritcle where Barbara Streisand the Anteater called for Prez Bush to be impeached. sheeesh, the Hollywood types………..

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

RW - What’s your source on that 5% unemployment rate? Does the source also list the net job loss (or gain) for fiscal 2005?

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 03:01 PM | Link to this

Ricky, in the 1980’s thousands died from AIDS, and President Reagan never spoke of it publicly. Now there MAY be a flu epidemic, and Bush immediately demands $7 BILLION for his buddies at Roche Pharm. Meanwhile, people die everyday of preventable and treatable illnesses because they are too poor to afford treatment. This is ignored by the administration, who leaves it to their cheerleaders to shout, “It’s their own DARN FAULT for bein’ POOR!” Confusing and inconsistent at best.

Sorry. I ain’t eskeeeerd o’ no bird flu! At the same time, I have no confidence whatsoever that my government will protect us from the next disaster — whatever that may be.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 03:02 PM | Link to this

sick…

You are kidding, right?

By buff

November 16, 2005 03:05 PM | Link to this

For those interested, here is a column by Victor Davis Hanson describing European conditions/Utopic, mon dieu

By Andy

November 16, 2005 03:05 PM | Link to this

This “news” paper is a scandal sheet, nothing more. It only publishes articles that harm or damage the United States. It has nothing good to say about our country. It attacks our children with sex and violence. Name one other responsible company that would have advertised for the movie “Thirteen” at the top of the front page, using pre teen girls dressed in hooker’s outfits. These people don’t speak for me, they could care less about our greatness. I can’t stop you from going in with them, it is your decision. And you can’t stop me from voicing my disapproval of this degeneracy.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 03:05 PM | Link to this

sickof…

In case you’re not kidding, here..

By buff

November 16, 2005 03:06 PM | Link to this

For those interested, here is a column by Victor Davis Hansom decribing Europe/Utopia

http://victorhanson.com/

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 03:06 PM | Link to this

Is it always the gov’s job to protect you? Do you not have a stake in your own well being, or have we all ceded that to Big Brother Uncle Sam? AIDS is a regrettable plague that should be dealt with, but it doesn’t spread through casual contact the way flu does. It is caused, in most cases, by risky behavior. I know it’s not PC to say that, but it’s true. We shouldn’t ignore it, of course, but it doesn’t meet the same standards as diseases that can spread through simply breathing the air.

Sorry I misspelled your name, by the way. I know better. …

By buff

November 16, 2005 03:09 PM | Link to this

About the AJC, remember when the decapitating of Nicholar Berg occurred? Tis rag put it under the fold. On top was the dazzling story of Phillips Arena and fire codes. There was such outrage over than animalistic event that people would have supported Bush, but this rag thought fire codes were more important

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 03:11 PM | Link to this

Sick, here is a link to a chart of the unemployment rate from the Bureau of Labor http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymostStatistics. Unemployemnt is currently at 5%. The unemployment rate during Clintons admin didn’t reach this point until July 1997. Bush added 67,000 new jobs in Oct, the 13th straight month of job gains.

By buff

November 16, 2005 03:14 PM | Link to this

Anything under 6% is considered full employment, unless a Repub is in th eWhite House.

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 03:14 PM | Link to this

Um, just a reminder, though, that this is capitalism and no president adds jobs (except for the people he hires to work for him). The private sector adds jobs. Don’t buy the James Carville line that the economy is run by a big machine with buttons and levers in the Oval Office. It’s crapola.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 03:15 PM | Link to this

sickof…

Here is the chart for job numbers/per month for the last few years

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 03:23 PM | Link to this

Dr R, I misspoke. I meant to say that I have no confidence in our government to protect us DURING the next disaster, not from it. Yes, I am responsible for my own health. I have the means to purchase healthy foods and supplements (am drinking herbal tea NOW to protect me from my hacking, sneezing, wheezing co-workers’ germs!). But it is the government’s job to jump in at some point when the masses are threatened. After what I witnessed in September of this year, and September four years ago, NO. No confidence. They will take our tax money, but they won’t use it to benefit US!!!

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 03:25 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, it is widely accepted that the fed goverment could have done a much better job during the aftermath of Katrina. State govt is to blame also though. My question is after the planes hit the towers what did you want the govt to do that it didn’t do?

By Rich

November 16, 2005 03:26 PM | Link to this

Dr R

So if I understand you right then all sexually transmitted diseasesshould be at the bottom ofg the list for funding?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

Rich, I would rather see the govt spend money to research cancer, Alzheimers, MS, and dieseas like that before spending money on STD’s. TONS of money is already being spent on researching AIDS and most of the other STD’s already have cures or treatments. What would you spend money on for disease research.

By Rich

November 16, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

Dr R, I think your comments show your true colors.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 03:32 PM | Link to this

If you really want government’s assistance when you need it, then only use government when you need it. Quit attacking it’s every move so that it doesn’t have to expend so much energy defending itself and it isn’t afraid to make even the slightest move. Contribute to the government when you are able to, allow it to grow stronger. Just an opinion.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 03:34 PM | Link to this

If you really want government’s a-s-sistance when you need it, then only use government when you need it. Quit attacking it’s every move so that it doesn’t have to expend so much energy defending itself and it isn’t afraid to make even the slightest move. Contribute to the government when you are able to, allow it to grow stronger. Just an opinion.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 03:37 PM | Link to this

Rich, did you know that since 1998 AIDS hasn’t been in the Top 15 causes of death in America? In 1995 50,261 people died from AIDS the most ever in one year. In 2001 15,245 died. So AIDS should an amount of money corresponding to those facts. But in fact federal funding for AIDS research is higher that heart diesease. liver disease, diabetes, kidney disease, breast cancer, prostate disease, Alzheimer’s, and leukemia. Does that seem fair to you?

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 03:37 PM | Link to this

Ricky… where to begin. First, they could have continued to man and fund the war in Afghanistan until they got Bin Laden, as promised. Second, they could have actually implemented plans to secure our ports from dangerous cargo. Third, I’d feel a lot better if our nuclear (pronouned NU-klee-ar) facilities and waste dumps were guarded. Fourth, I’d feel a WHOLE lot safer if our government hadn’t thumbed our collective nose at the sympathy, friendship, and good will we HAD from practically the entire world, turning good will into hatred, disgust, and a reason for more people to wish us all dead. I’m no world leader myself or anything, but I’m just sayin’.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

From your earlier post, I thought you were talking about the actual federal governments response on the ground. I thougth they did extremely well in the recovery of bodies and the clean up after 9/11. Obviously I missed your point. All the other stuff you listed could be debated. And why do you assume I can’t pronounce nuclear?

By Rich

November 16, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this

Dr R, Your comments had nothing to do with fairness or statistics. It was pure bigotry. You even implied it yourself stating it wasn’t PC. You know it. I’ll not discuss it with you further.

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 03:41 PM | Link to this

No, Hon. The pronunciation key was for Andy or the President, in case either were reading. {;->

By Andy

November 16, 2005 03:43 PM | Link to this

Thumbing our noses-

“[T]o meet a severe and urgent crisis abroad, tonight I propose the Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief - a work of mercy beyond all current international efforts to help the people of Africa…I ask the Congress to commit $15 billion over the next five years, including nearly $10 billion in new money, to turn the tide against AIDS in the most afflicted nations of Africa and the Caribbean.” - President George W. Bush January 28, 2003

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 03:43 PM | Link to this

Rich, why don’t you look at who is posting? You are addressing Dr R, when in fact I am the one giving you the statistics. And why is it bigotry to say that AIDS is spread through risky behavior. That is true for both homosexuals and hetreosexuals. If you don’t use protection you can get an STD. You are being to sensitive.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 03:53 PM | Link to this

Two years of investigation and how many millions of dollars wasted? For what:

WASHINGTON — Testimony by Washington Post editor Bob Woodward in the CIA leak case is a bombshell to the special prosecutor’s case against I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, an attorney for Vice President Cheney’s former chief of staff told FOX News on Wednesday.

The disclosure by Woodward in Wednesday’s Post shows that Libby was not the first government official to tell a reporter the secret identity of a CIA operative, said Ted Wells, one of Libby’s lawyers.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

Andy, c’mon. If a CIA operative was outed, which we don’t know the truth yet, then it needed to be investigated. It was more worthwhile than the Clinton investigation.

By W

November 16, 2005 03:59 PM | Link to this

Oh well. They tried to make Libby the fall guy and throw him overboard. Before you get all excited Andy, stop and think. I know it is hard for you. However, consider that maybe someone doesn’t want to see the wrong man do time. The probability now is that it just may have been Cheney himself or someone alot closer to George.

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

Soooooo…. that makes it okay? At what, exactly, are you expressing your outrage, Andy? The waste of tax dollars on “special” investigations? Or knowing that, in all likelihood, the final “report” won’t contain titillating details of whiskers on kittens and stains on blue satin dresses? The good news is, Libby’s novel, The Apprentice, is available on Amazon. I hear it’s really vile. Pedophelia and bestiality, even! Makes a great gift!

By Andy's first post

November 16, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

By Andy

October 14, 2005 02:14 PM | Link to this

mike, i think you our grate.you the best hack that Moveon.org has. if i was to be lied to by a democrat stooge, you’d be the one i’d chuse, out of all the stooges at the ajc.bush is in idiot.

By Midori

October 14, 2005 02:37 PM | Link to this

Andy — I found your pic. Handsome devil that you are

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v718/comerperro/moran.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 04:02 PM | Link to this

W, I know that is what you are wishing for. But in reality, the probability is that many people knew she was a CIA agent before this. Several people including Gen. Paul Lavalle, Andrea Mitchell and others have said they knew she was CIA.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 04:03 PM | Link to this

Darn, thought we were going to make it through a whole day without hearing from you

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 04:12 PM | Link to this

If you look at my comments, you’ll see that I agree we should spend money to take on the AIDS epidemic and help those afflicted. But a previous entry lamented that Bush was going after flu while Reagan ignored AIDS. I made the point that one disease is spread by behavior (aka, promiscuity and drug use) and another by random airborne bacteria. I do not hold prejudice against those poor souls exposed nor do I condemn any lifestyle choices they have made. Yet the simple fact is that AIDS can be prevented by making wise choices. That makes me a bigot? Perhaps if more energy were spent toward preventing the disease than justifying the actions that cause its spread, we might get somewhere with it.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 04:21 PM | Link to this

Hey look Midori is here, or candide, whichever you prefer. Someone is going to be called a fascist soon.

By candide

November 16, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

Dubya has managed on his Asia trip to irritate the Chinese. His last two foreign trips were disasters and his domestic agenda is in tatters. Why doesn’t he just take a powder or just resign. When we try him for war crimes the end will be much worse.

Kill a Republican, save America!

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 04:25 PM | Link to this

Probably me, since people like to make assumptions about you based on truths that are, evidently, supposed to remain unsaid.

So, does that herbal tea really help?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 04:26 PM | Link to this

Hey look Midori switched back over to candide again. Yes, he irritated the Chinese because he asked them to do a better job on human rights and not ripping off American products. Well at least you are good for a laugh.

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 04:30 PM | Link to this

Wow, “Kill a Republican?” That sounds pretty fascist to me. How about just vote for somebody else?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 04:32 PM | Link to this

Dr R, you can’t expect logical comments from candide or Midori, who are the same person. He/she just calls names and insults people. There are some people on here like Kimberly that you can have a reasonable discussion with, but candide/Midori is not one of them.

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 04:35 PM | Link to this

He irritates EVERYONE, doesn’t he? His perpetual John Wayne impression falls woefully short of the late great Duke. Plus, real life is just a weeeeee bit more complex than an action movie. Too bad smirks and smug sound bites only impress the American people, and not world leaders. Doggone it!

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

See Kimberly, I just talked about how you will have logical discussions based on fact and you throw up that post. Your killing me

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 04:45 PM | Link to this

Many herbal teas have a mild antiseptic quality. Drinking it in a chilled office full of hackers & sneezers helps keep your throat lubricated and cleansed. Your system is strenthened somewhat by the hydration and medicinal qualities of the herbs. Or at the very least, so far so good!

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this

Oh, come on. Even if you LIKE the guy, you have to admit he swaggers & smirks. C’mon. I’ll admit Bill was a skirt chaser and eyed every leg as it went by. Had a thing for onion rings, too. Nobody’s perfect. Hey what’s up with holding the upper arms away from the body as IF they were too muscular to reach the torso? C’mon! Hahaha! It’s funny! Admit it!

By Curious the Cat

November 16, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this

What’s with the ” a* ” in the postings?? I try to make sense of them but the word(s) I’m thinking of don’t usually fit into the context??

By Daniel

November 16, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this

This, too, will pass.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 04:51 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, he definelty walks a little funny and doesn’t do well talking in public. I think he smirk comes from confidence, which I would hope a president has. Obviously Bill did, he thought he could do whatever he wanted with females. I don’t agree that he irritates everyone, thats just a cheap shot.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 05:02 PM | Link to this

C the C,

The blog censors out any word that starts with a-s-s, like a-s-s-u-m-e or a-s-s-e-r-t.

If we talk about weapons it does the same thing to a-r-s-e-n-a-l, so a-r-s-e is out too.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 05:04 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, I was away. Did you miss me?

Valerie Plame was never a “secret agent” like you liberals fantasize her being. There was never any harm to national security. She was a Virginia office worker, a WMD “intelligence analyst” at that. She couldn’t even do her job properly. The national security breach was that she was allowed to work for the CIA in the first place. Total waste of tax dollars. You’ll see when it gets dismissed on the first day in court.

Since when have you pinkos ever cared about the CIA? Name one other instance of you standing up in favor of this agency. Just one.

Midori: my first post was in response to cartoon boy’s silly lowercase misspelled rant that you can pull up, it’s from the same day. i must be having a profound effect on you for you to spend so much time digging up “dirt” on me.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:06 PM | Link to this

Andy, at one time Plame was an undercover agent. That has been established.

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 05:08 PM | Link to this

The thing about Bush is that he isn’t really a Texas simpleton with a speech impediment: He just plays one on TV. Consider this theory: When young W ran for Congress in the early 1970s, he was beaten by a local Democrat good ole boy who was pure Texas, and who painted the young Bush as an Ivy League pointyhead. When Bush Sr. ran against Reagan, and later on his own, he never was the darling of the right, and was seen as an Eastern dandy. So since running for governor, and later prez, W decided “if I want to get elected, I need to be folksy and downhome.” As a Newsweek writer once pointed out, the guy has an MBA from Harvard and a BA from Yale; he knows how to pronounce “nuclear” correctly, but he doesn’t choose to. Why? Because the French don’t get a vote. He doesn’t care if the folks up East, the media elite, the diplomatic corps, the Hollywood crowd, etc., are turned off by him. Playing Mr. Green Jeans has won him four straight elections. Folksy works.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 05:08 PM | Link to this

Hey, it looks like ml is planning to put up a Clinton cartoon, although apparently it’s only something he showed at Hoefstra.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 05:09 PM | Link to this

Look at these pinkos get all upset because Fitzmas is never going to come. How many days have you degenerates sat in front of the fireplace, looking up the chimney. Why? Because you wish to see an officer of your government get damaged? Is this not weird or what? These sickos base their enjoyment in life on how much harm is being done to their country. It’s a disease.

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 05:10 PM | Link to this

Point taken. If he doesn’t irritate you, then I was wrong. But I do know a lot of people who find the swagger & smirk thing irritating. The swagger doesn’t bother me, personally, as much as the vocal inflections. Every statement seems to carry the same cadence and inflection of someone who is always on the defense. “Did NOT!” “HAD to!” “It was the ONLY WAY!” Always reminds me of a kid who’s been caught in a lie who is trying to overcompensate, or a cheating husband. “Was TOO at Bucks’s house last night!” “The phone was BROKEN!” “I TOLD you where I was, so THAT’s… THAT’s… can’t get fooled again!” These are just my perceptions, nothing more.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 05:11 PM | Link to this

Ricky: Not within the time frame allowed by law. There was no crime.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:12 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, that post is unreadable due to the blog editor

By Daniel

November 16, 2005 05:13 PM | Link to this

I wish the guy had some talent.

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 05:13 PM | Link to this

The board’s computer completely hosed my last post. (No, I’m not drunk yet.)

By Andy's first post

November 16, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

How come RW and Andy show up at the same time. AJC workers? Had a meeting? Mike?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

Andy, you posted that she was never a undercover agent. I just want people to post honest and correct facts not ideological blather

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 05:15 PM | Link to this

Yeah, I think it’s the herbal tea. You’re adding something to it, admit it.

By Daniel

November 16, 2005 05:19 PM | Link to this

Thanks Ricky.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 05:20 PM | Link to this

Andy are you sure she was NEVER a secret agent,if so, how did you? I thought that info. was classified. What’s your security clearance?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:22 PM | Link to this

Sick, we all know she was a secret agent, I have already pointed that out to him. You never responded after we showed you the graphs and numbers on the economy. Why not?

By kimberly

November 16, 2005 05:23 PM | Link to this

Andy, maybe some of us would like to see officers of our government be responsible and accountable for their actions that directly relate to their official duties and public trust.

Can you think of a time when YOU ever wished to see an officer of your government get damaged just for your enjoyment and voyeuristic pleasure?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:24 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, you have to ignore Andy, he is out on the fringe

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 05:26 PM | Link to this

Ricky, I was actually looking for the figures on the net jobs lost or gained for 2000 through 2005, I found those records on the same site, thanks for the info.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 05:28 PM | Link to this

Also Ricky, I know you pointed it out to Andy, I was just bustin his chops about it. As much as he accuses libs of bending info to fit their arguments I thought I’d throw him a little guff, no harm intended.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:28 PM | Link to this

Sick, no prob. What did you find? I would think that we lost a ton after 9/11 but have been working our way back over the last year or so, is that true?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:29 PM | Link to this

Sick, no big deal, Andy is out there.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 05:31 PM | Link to this

Right on the money Ricky, net gain of 3.9mm jobs, most of those gains coming since March, 2004.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 05:31 PM | Link to this

Here’s my third post, I’m kinda proud of this one…

October 14, 2005 02:48 PM | Link to this I would like to express my heartfelt thanks to Mr. Lucovich. His cartoon is the first thing I turn to each day, it is like a breath of fresh air. There is no greater supporter of our cause, with luck he will help us make the final push to victory. Sincerely, Al Qaeda.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 05:32 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

If you scroll up to my 3:15 post I have a link that takes you right to the month by month breakdown.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 05:33 PM | Link to this

*October 14, 2005 02:48 PM | Link to this *I would like to express my heartfelt thanks to Mr. Lucovich. His cartoon is the first thing I turn to each day, it is like a breath of fresh air. There is no greater supporter of our cause, with luck he will help us make the final push to victory. Sincerely, Al Qaeda.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

Thanks Sick. Its funny how people talk about how bad the economy is, when unemployment is down, there is no real inflation and we have added 4 million jobs. Tax cuts really do work.

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

I’m doing a project for my Government Budgeting class at Kennesaw State, that site has a lot of good info…did anyone happen to read the report from the OMB titled Savings and Reductions in the President’s 2006 Budget? I was looking at the Department of Energy portion and the ONLY program to receive a funding reduction was Environmental Management (the program that deals with hazardous and nuclear waste disposal, among other things)?

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 05:39 PM | Link to this

Sick, I would be interested to know if we are producing less hazardous and nuclear waste. We might not be, might be interesting to know. Maybe they have found a cheaper way to do it. Have you looked at the projected deficit? I belive it is also projected to go down

By Andy

November 16, 2005 05:43 PM | Link to this

Where have I heard this before…..

The Democrats who are peddling the Big Lie of “Bush lied” are doing so either (a) deliberately to injure the cause of the United States and of freedom in the world or, as I think, (b) with reckless disregard of whether they injure the cause of the United States and of freedom in the world. What they are doing may suit their political needs, but it hurts our country. Michael Barone

By sickoftheneocons

November 16, 2005 05:43 PM | Link to this

Good point Ricky, while that’s outside the scope of my project, whether or not we are producing less hazardous waste would be a good thing to know anyway.

By Andy's first post

November 16, 2005 05:52 PM | Link to this

So, does everyone on this blog work for the AJC?

By buff

November 16, 2005 05:59 PM | Link to this

Hey Sick, do you hand out in the Burruss building? I like Einstein’s but they are too expensive.

By buff

November 16, 2005 06:00 PM | Link to this

Sick, I wonder if you could be one of my students? Hmmmmm

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 06:04 PM | Link to this

U.S. Unemployment rates: Here.

Note how Clinton inherited unemp. rate of 7.4%, within his first term that went down to 5.4%, Cheney inherited 3.9% from Clinton, within Cheney’s first term it went up to 5.4%, and is currently at 5.0%. Tax cuts are a miracle!!

By buff

November 16, 2005 06:11 PM | Link to this

Well, rush, what you have to ask is: where would we be w/o tax cuts. In Spring 2000 the dot.com bubble burst and the economy started declining. Bush had nothing to do with that, nor did he cause all the corporate scandals. Then 9/11 hit. Plus, look throughout history, economies cycle every few years. I do hold Bush responsible for runaway wasteful spending, deficits, and never vetoing anything.

By Dr R

November 16, 2005 06:16 PM | Link to this

Hmmm. So is Bush is a doofus cowboy stooge with Cheney’s hand up his backside? Or is he an evil, manipulating neocon who lied about Iraq’s weapons, and Svengali-like, was able to hypnotize innocent, simple-minded Democrats into voting for the war? I’m confused. Pick a Bush stereotype and stick with it, willya? You guys are a moving target. (Altering reality to fit a political point of view. Nah, nobody’d do that …)

By buff

November 16, 2005 06:20 PM | Link to this

For those of you who repeatedly use the term “neocon,” as a curiousity, how are theydifferent from other conservatives?

By buff

November 16, 2005 06:22 PM | Link to this

Dr. R. to the left he is the anti-Christ, oops, some of them are atheists

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 06:26 PM | Link to this

rushncap, the economy was already slowing when Bush took office. Then 9/11 happened. You don’t that hurt the unemployment numbers do you? A large portion of Manhattan destroyed. Airlines dropping employess, stock market took a huge hit. I guess none of that figured into your thought process. And it was your idol Clinton that said 5% unemployment was full employment, so by his standards were are moving right along. Not to mention the fed gov’t is taking in more money now than in history, the economy is growing at close to 4% per quarter, and we have gained jobs in 13 out of 14 months.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 06:27 PM | Link to this

Buff — neocons are conservatives without the good parts (i.e. restricted spending, not getting involved in other countries’ affairs, less government interference). Basically, they took something bad - conservatism - and removed the only parts which made it half-way palatable to begin with.

As for Bush, Dr. R, who cares if he’s the evil one, or Cheney? Does it really matter? At least one of them is a son of a biznatch, and he’s the one running this country. I personally think Bush is a stupid figurehead, but I could be wrong.

By Ricky

November 16, 2005 06:29 PM | Link to this

rushncap, again you are wrong. Your definition of a neocon is wholly inaccurate, although I don’t expect much more from you.

By buff

November 16, 2005 06:29 PM | Link to this

Rush, to me a neocom is also big on foreign policy action. I am the old style conservative: low taxes, small budgets and small federal govt. Have a good evening; taking my bride out to dinner

By Andy

November 16, 2005 06:38 PM | Link to this

*Cartoon Boy tried to hide it but I found it-

(http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/luckovich/2003/090103.html)

AAAAAAARRRRYYYYYYGGGGGHHHHHEEEEEEAAAAAA!!!!!

By Andy's first post

November 16, 2005 06:46 PM | Link to this

That’s what I thought. It is a scam. Nobody can be honest in times these. Shame!

By Andy

November 16, 2005 06:53 PM | Link to this

It is really starting to look like the Plame deal is going from “All the President’s Men, Part II” to “All of the Pinko Reporters, Part I.” Merry Fitzmas, y’all.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 06:56 PM | Link to this

Former Federal prosecuter Joe diGenova says Justice Department regulations will force Fitzgerald to drop the charges against Scooter Libby.

Fitzmas just gets better and better!

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 06:58 PM | Link to this

Now that was strange timing, maybe that Andy groupie is on to something.

Andy, get back to the meeting!

By Andy

November 16, 2005 06:59 PM | Link to this

Check this out-

In past interviews, Woodward has repeatedly minimized the Fitzgerald probe, telling National Public Radio, for example, that when “all of the facts come out in this case, it’s going to be laughable because the consequences are not that great.”

By Andy

November 16, 2005 07:04 PM | Link to this

Vice President Dick Cheney: Good morning, Scooter, welcome back.

Scooter Libby, Vice Presidential Chief of Staff: Thank you, sir, it’s good to be back.

Vice President Dick Cheney: Karl Rove needs you to call him over at the White House, he was laughing uncontrollably when I spoke to him.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 07:07 PM | Link to this

Ricky, the day I care what you think is the day the Duke Bluedevils win the Super Bowl.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 07:35 PM | Link to this

Look it’s a picture of ml presenting tomorrows cartoon

This is the ml dream Veterans Day, sucking up to Bill Clinton. ml why did they make you sit way down at the end of the table?

By Andy

November 16, 2005 07:52 PM | Link to this

RW: Who are those other pinkos? And why do they all have their mouths open?

By Catherine Carter

November 16, 2005 07:53 PM | Link to this

I especially liked Mike’s offering commemorating the death of the 2000th soldier in Iraq - with all of the names of dead soldiers. My daughter and I worry every day that her husband might be next. thanks

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:01 PM | Link to this

Andy,

They are members of the Cartoonists Perspective on President Clinton panel.

The picture is about halfway down on the right

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:01 PM | Link to this

Catherine: Next time you talk to your daughter’s husband, please tell him thanks from us here at Lucovich’s blog and we wish him Godspeed.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:07 PM | Link to this

An excerpt from a speech Vice-President Cheney will give tonight.

The President and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory, or their backbone – but we’re not going to sit by and let them rewrite history.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 08:13 PM | Link to this

In 30 years Bush will be as reviled as Nixon is today.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:23 PM | Link to this

I’m rather fond of Nixon, rushncap. His only fault was not staying in office and fighting the pinkos. They had nothing on him but they used the weight of the lib media to drive him off. That ain’t gonna work with Bush. He, with me and all of the other Cons fully behind him, is gonna run it right up your pinko …..

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:27 PM | Link to this

Didn’t rushncap say Cheney was President?

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 08:28 PM | Link to this

Andy — your fantasies of running your things up other people a*******es nonwithstanding (and why is it that it’s always the ultra-fundies who are preoccupied with that?), I knew you’d be a big fan of the only President to resign from office in complete disgrace. If you were in Russia right now you’d be one of those ancient grandmas carrying around her portrait of Stalin every Nov. 7th.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 08:30 PM | Link to this

No, I said Cheney was running the country. There is a difference there. Come on, you really think Bush is smart enough to have done so much wrong?? The boy couldn’t manage a small oil company in Texas!

By getalife

November 16, 2005 08:31 PM | Link to this

RW,

Let’s see the Clinton cartoon.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:32 PM | Link to this

rushncap is a commie, RW, and Nixon devoted the majority of his Presidency to killing commies. They weren’t Russians but it was close enough for me. There is something seriously patriotic about American bombs falling on Communist cities. What did Nixon get, something like a million of them. He was the man.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:34 PM | Link to this

Actually you said Cheney inherited an unemployment number from Clinton, beyond that you were about as non specific as usual.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:34 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, the Man.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:35 PM | Link to this

getalife,

ml will be posting it soon.

By getalife

November 16, 2005 08:37 PM | Link to this

C’mon, give me a link.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:38 PM | Link to this

We obviously still have work to do, carrying on Nixon’s great tradition, with punks like rushncap running around. With luck, he, and his punk brethren, will take up arms against us. I would enjoy that.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:38 PM | Link to this

Andy,

The only thing Nixon really did wrong was caving in to liberals on price controls.

Maybe Bob Woodward is going to ruin Fitzmas to even the score.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 08:40 PM | Link to this

Wow, Andy, do you get a hard-on any time someone outside your trailer park dies? Is it embarassing when that happens in line for your Social Security check?

And, yes, RW, I did say “Cheney inherited”. I did not say “President Cheney inherited”. And I’m specific, you just don’t like to answer anything.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:40 PM | Link to this

RW: That’s where my “All the President’s Men” crack came in, isn’t it so ironic?

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:43 PM | Link to this

Yes I do rushncap, it gives me great satisfaction to think of dead enemies of my country.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:44 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Looks pretty impressive to me

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:48 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I know I lmao when I saw that, especially when it posted just ahead of my Fitzmas post.

By Andy

November 16, 2005 08:52 PM | Link to this

I wonder if this punk rushncap has ever been to Arlington National Cemetery, or is he just some pinko sucking off the side of this great country with no idea of the sacrifices that have been made for it? He doesn’t sound like someone who understands duty, honor, country. I’m laying my bet that he is just a sorry little free loader with some psycho self abuse issues that he is unable to overcome. He has to cry out against all that is good because it makes him look so bad.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 08:56 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, RW, real riches-to-some-more-riches story. Ask yourself, honestly, if Daddy Shrub was not a President, would W be anything more than a PR clerk somewhere? THIS is a resume. Shrubby? He wasn’t just born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He was born inside a silver spoon. This is the guy who didn’t even know that Slovenia and Slovakia are different countries!

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 08:58 PM | Link to this

ml decided to save himself the humiliation he would get over the Clinton cartoon and decided to bash Alito instead. What a weasel!

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 08:59 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it time for the meds, Andy? Are the nurses late today?

And I’ll bet my bottom dime that I know far more about the history of this country than you. You see, I’ve read more than just Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 09:04 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

[I’ll see your Clinton and raise]http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html)

Slovenia and Slovakia are countries? whodathunkit.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 09:10 PM | Link to this

Obviously ml has sabotaged my link

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 09:13 PM | Link to this

I’m glad you were quick to concede that W stands no chance against Clinton, resume-wise. Neither does Reagan. I’m sorry… you’re comparing a Rhodes scholar to, erm, a radio sports announcer, whose pre-politics hilight is “head of SAG”? The same lofty title as is currently being held by the voice of “Jack Hammer” from Robots? Are you serious??

Most people admit that Clinton is actually the most accomplised President ever elected, in terms of his intelligence and his resume. That, of course, in and of itself no guarantee that he would become a great President (look at Grant), but he did anyways.

And, yes, Slovenia and Slovakia are countries. And apparenly our POTUS would not have thunk it. Fortunately for him, his job does not require much thinking.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 09:19 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You should read this

or

maybe this

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 09:23 PM | Link to this

From World Net Daily:

It’s not hard to figure the left’s hysteria on both bills. George W. Bush is close to becoming the most accomplished president in the category of major legislation since Nixon, and a successful wartime commander in chief as well. This combination is speeding realignment along, and Democrats know they are perilously close to becoming an irrelevant – if still loud – force in American politics.

Most accomplshed since Nixon,hmm.. who are these “most people” you speak of?

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 09:25 PM | Link to this

Oh Jesus H. I can point you to a dozen anti-Reagan books, or a bunch of pro-Clinton books. Spare me. I’m not gonna read some crap Rich Lowry puts out, and you sure as hell aren’t gonna read Clinton’s autobiography… so why do you bother?

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 09:30 PM | Link to this

rushnap,

I couldn’t find a post from Jesus H., so I guess you were addressing me.

I do read both sides, you should try it sometime. Tunnel vision is a very dangerous thing. It leads people to nominate a traitor to run for President and call him a war hero.

I’ll give you a link for “Unfit for Command” if you’d like.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 09:34 PM | Link to this

Hahahaha!!! Bush is the most accomplished President since Nixon? You’re gonna have to give me a few minutes to stop laughing.

OK, I’m better now. A few things: a) Forgive me if I don’t take WND as an authority on… well, anything; b) I find it ironic that Bush is being compared to Nixon, the only President in history to resign in complete disgrace for heinous abuse of power. I can only hope the similarities between the 2 keep coming.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 09:38 PM | Link to this

I do read both sides. That’s why I’m a liberal. I’ve read enough writings by conservatives. And I don’t need to read all right-wing slander. Spare me your links, I personally don’t give a rat’s behind what you think I should read. I can give you a link to Kitty Kelley’s book as well. Will you read that? So please spare me slander of Clintons, Kerry, or anyone else.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 09:38 PM | Link to this

So when are you planning to back up your “most people” comment about Clinton?

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 09:44 PM | Link to this

RW, please don’t ask of others what you can’t do yourself. Like your assertions about Bush, Reagan, etc. I have read in a few separate sources that Clinton was the most accomplished person to get elected President. Do you think I remember every reference of every thing I’ve read? So far, however, you’ve juxtoposed resumes of 2 other Presidents to Clinton’s and they are both inferior. So if you wish to find someone who is more accomplished, I’m open to suggestions. Go ahead, if you think you know of someone.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 09:50 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Since you seem to be something of a Clinton historian, would you explain why he never finished his Rhodes program?

I can see why you don’t remember your source material. apparently you can’t even follow the chronology of a debate that is just a scroll up button away.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 09:56 PM | Link to this

Awww, RW, you’re cute when you’re flustered.

I’m not sure where you think I lose the chronology of the debate (and I’m willing to bet good money you’ll never point it out, since this is the “Bush most accomplished since Nixon”-type claim, i.e. bullcrement), but even allowing for this non-existent disability of mine… why does it matter why Clinton did not finish it? He got a Rhodes, did he not? Do you think, deep down inside yourself, that Shrubby could have gotten a Rhodes fellowship?

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:00 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Yeah, I guess it doesn’t matter if he had to leave Oxford because of a rape charge.

In that regard he truly is the most accomplished.

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 10:00 PM | Link to this

RW, you are the best at lining up facts. And you seem to have them right at your fingertips. Rick Lowry was on Lehrer New Hour last Friday and he seemed like a very level headed, smart man. No crackpots on that show. But speaking of crackpots, on the Troops/War Support forum, there they were. Some still saying they support the troops but not the war. Must be split personalities. And what happened to Luckovich’s Clinton cartoon? I saw the heading, tried to call it up and then it disappeared. Oh, well, I probably didn’t miss much.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:03 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I know the heading was there, but the download didn’t work. I found him at the Clinton festival at Hofstra, but can’t find the cartoon.

Do you have any idea what happened in your post, that’s been happening a lot today when it doesn’t seem to be the blog censor.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 10:04 PM | Link to this

Hahaha, care to substantiate that charge, RW? Or is this going to be just like everything else you do: claim, then run away from? You’re building up quite a backlog here, RW.

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 10:07 PM | Link to this

What is going on? Half of my post was gone and a censored word was stuck in the first sentence? Somehow the whole thing was changed. I was giving you a compliment, RW, but it sure doesn’t sound like it.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:10 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

What was the first word after “lining up”?

Maybe we can figure out was is triggering the editor.

By getalife

November 16, 2005 10:16 PM | Link to this

Trojan virus?

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 10:20 PM | Link to this

I was saying that you were the best at lining up f-a-c-t-s and that you had them right at your fingertips. Then I mentioned Rich Lowrey and info on a forum. After that I got to Clinton. A good bit got dropped. Can’t figure.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:22 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

The Oxford portion is random speculation. (I thought you might know, I should have known better. That whole tunnel vision problem of yours.)

A very real rape charge was made later. So why don’t you trash Juanita Broderick for awhile?

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:27 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Every time I’ve seen it happen today it looks like the missing portion starts with an “f”.

This blog won’t let you say a-r-s-e-n-a-l either. The fact of the matter is I don’t know what is going on.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 10:27 PM | Link to this

I can accuse Bush of rape myself. It will hold about as much water as the rape accusations against Clinton.

Please explain to me what, in your world, the definition of “tunnel vision” is.

$1000 says you will avoid that question as well. In poker you’d be the perfect opponent: every time I reraise you fold faster than Superman on laundry day.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:30 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

OK, “fact” wasn’t the problem. Maybe it is just a bug.

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 10:34 PM | Link to this

Well, whatever, but they dropped several sentences, not just one word. What’s a Trojan virus, getalife?

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:34 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Tunnel vision: an extremely narrow point of view.

Donate my $1,000. to the American Cancer Society.

Thanks

By getalife

November 16, 2005 10:38 PM | Link to this

Trojan virus from all the links.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 10:46 PM | Link to this

OK, RW, I guess I have to be very slow with you. You don’t seem to be able to follow well. So pray tell how YOU accusing Clinton of rape he did not commit is part of MY “tunnel vision”.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:49 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Some info on trojan virus and worm programs

If your computer is protected at all news links aren’t likely to be a problem. ( I imagine you are just playing with getalife, but just in case)

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 10:53 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Would you read rushncap’s 10:27PM post and my 10:34 post and decide if a donation to the ACS is in order?

By getalife

November 16, 2005 10:54 PM | Link to this

Got one the other day from a website that deleted files and changed code. Hell to get rid of.

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 10:56 PM | Link to this

Maybe if I say something nice about Luckovich and liberals, the Trojans will take their virus (and their horse) and go away. But I can’t think of anything very nice to say. Ho hum. I best bid you goodnight before the goblins get me.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 10:56 PM | Link to this

Hey, RW, why don’t you get your mom to read that as well. She’s about as impartial an arbiter as you’re accustomed to, apparently.

And, of course, you’re too scared to answer my question. Again. Must be a neocon :)

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2005 11:03 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Your question:

Please explain to me what, in your world, the definition of “tunnel vision� is.

My response:

Tunnel vision: an extremely narrow point of view.

The bet:

$1000 says you will avoid that question as well

Payout instruction:

Donate my $1,000. to the American Cancer Society.

I don’t hink you need a partisan judge to follow that.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 11:06 PM | Link to this

You keep avoiding my questions. Do you need a $1000 offer for an answer? Or is that just for easy answers?

Sigh.

And, yes, you’re right. You did answer it.

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 11:11 PM | Link to this

RW, rushncap is not going to believe anything you tell him about Clinton, even when the facts are well know and publicized. That is a symptom of tunnel vision or an extremely narrow point of view. You win, RW. Donation in order!

Thanks for the info, RW. You too, getalife. I’ll check this out tomorrow.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 11:14 PM | Link to this

Dusty, if you’re going to service RW like this, please get your own room. And use protection.

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 11:22 PM | Link to this

Don’t get ugly, rushncap. You lost. Pay up. Eat your Wheaties in the morning. That might help your tunnel vision.

By rushncap

November 16, 2005 11:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty, you’ve not seen me ugly. Just go and pray that you never will. And save your breath giving me advise. If I listened to the likes of you, I’d be cleaning toilets.

By Dusty

November 16, 2005 11:47 PM | Link to this

Ohoo, I am sooo afraid of the ugly old rushncap. Him and the big bad wolf. Now try to get a good night’s sleep, rushn’. You’ll feel better tomorrow.