Mike Luckovich

By Andy

November 9, 2005 07:44 PM | Link to this

It shows you how bad off the pinkos in Atlanta are when all they have to celebrate is an election held in a state 3000 miles away. What’s really funny is that Schwarzenegger is as close as you can get to being a lib, without being totally bizarre. He’s pro abortion, pro gay marriage and he’s married to a Kennedy. Talk about eating your own.

By gadem

November 9, 2005 08:32 PM | Link to this

So Raggedy Andy, you will only be satisfied with Mike if he pokes fun at liberals? I am sure there are some of Zig Zag Zell somewhere in the archives…It seems that you are always on here too. Mike I think you might want to be wary of Andy,because it seems that Raggedy Andy has man love for you. By the way Andy, I think Mike may be spoken for.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2005 09:00 PM | Link to this

Good Lord luckovich,

In this day and age a decapitation “cartoon”?

Do the names Nick Berg or Daniel Pearl mean anything to you?

You are one sick, twisted individual.

By Midori

November 9, 2005 09:16 PM | Link to this

RW — Yeah, sick, twisted individuals like those delegates wore to the last GOP Convention.

Funny way to show they “support the troops”, eh?

Support them by mocking them?

Arnold isn’t in the same category as Perle.

He’s just another Republican in way over his head: fake audiences, fake supporters, fake mandate, fake to the bone.

Hey — he reminds me of someone else!!

P.S. I’m going to conduct an experiment.

In a week’s time I’m going to return to this blog. I want to see if any of the comments have changed in any way. Because right now, it’s the same people making the same lame observations while trying to feign the same fake outrage.

By Midori

November 9, 2005 09:17 PM | Link to this

I need to correct my post above: it should read “Yeah, sick, twisted individuals like those delegates who wore purple heart bandaids to the last GOP Convention.”

I wish there was an edit function here.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2005 09:31 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I’m not making any distinction about who should or shouldn’t be decapitated. My choice would be that nobody does.

Making a comparison to someones death and a misguided attempt to poke fun at John Kerry is a little weak. I’ve come to expect a lot better argument from you.

There is no point in your staying away for a week, the people that repeat themselves every day will keep doing it until they quit showing up here.

For anyone that may want to look up the names I gave above, the spelling is “Pearl”.

By Billy Jack

November 9, 2005 10:03 PM | Link to this

Arnold IS NOT a conservative. You libs will continue to lose in the South. That cartoon is bizarre, but not funny. I planted some flowers today, pansies, maybe I should call them Mikeys. Have you ever actually seen the wimpy looking shrimp? I guarantee you he is a coward; I served in the Nam with punks just like him. They would stand in line for hours to protest or buy concert tickets, but would not voluntarily give their time to save humanity.

By Dave From Woodstock

November 10, 2005 01:20 AM | Link to this

It shows you how bad off the pinkos in Atlanta are when all they have to celebrate is an election held in a state 3000 miles away. What’s really funny is that Schwarzenegger is as close as you can get to being a lib, without being totally bizarre. He’s pro abortion, pro gay marriage and he’s married to a Kennedy. Talk about eating your own.

Who’s celebrating? It’s big world out there Andy; Lukovich is syndicated, so the cartoon is appropriate.

So what is your definition of a Republican? Is George Bush a Republican? Because the way he spends, he’s more Democrat than Republican.

As for being liberal-like, have you ever heard of a moderate Republican? They’re Republicans without the sticky Fundamentalist Christian mess.

By Tex

November 10, 2005 01:21 AM | Link to this

See Mike’s great cartoons. See the Neo-Nazis rage. God is good. Hot damn!!!

By Dave From Woodstock

November 10, 2005 01:29 AM | Link to this

Do the names Nick Berg or Daniel Pearl mean anything to you?

What a boatload of tripe! Yeah, Lukovich ran this cartoon to offend people, like you, who are still traumatized by the decapitation murders of Nicholas Berg and Daniel Pearl.

OOOH, sorry, didn’t want to mention the word “decapitation”. What I meant was “beheading”. Oh noo! There I go again, how insensitive of me! I wasn’t thinking of you when I said that! I’m so bad!

Yet when Lukovich shows depictions of, or refernces to, Abu Gharib torture, it’s offensive to the perps?

And you wonder why we call you wingnuts?

By Dave From Woodstock

November 10, 2005 01:33 AM | Link to this

Arnold IS NOT a conservative. You libs will continue to lose in the South. That cartoon is bizarre, but not funny. I planted some flowers today, pansies, maybe I should call them Mikeys. Have you ever actually seen the wimpy looking shrimp? I guarantee you he is a coward; I served in the Nam with punks just like him. They would stand in line for hours to protest or buy concert tickets, but would not voluntarily give their time to save humanity.

Yeah, I bet you drive a big truck too, you manly man you. And exactly what humanity did you save in Vietnam? And don’t say “myself” cuz I’m still debating that one in my head.

By Tex

November 10, 2005 03:25 AM | Link to this

Little Dave Woodstock. To whom are you attempting to speak? Senseless diatribes from you. Can’t you just be a Happy Little Nazi and enjoy watching the White House Fuhrer Bunker coming apart at the seams?? Sing another verse of “Onward Christian Soldiers” for us. Then back under your rock.
Praise the Lord!!!

By Tex

November 10, 2005 03:35 AM | Link to this

Dave Woodstock. You were never in Nam. Like most, you pretend it was so. The closest thing to a military CO you ever had was Pee Wee Herman. You are but a stench in the nostrils of the word “decency.” Steal a life somewhere and cease wasting space herein.

By Tex

November 10, 2005 03:46 AM | Link to this

Billy Jack boy: my last memo to Dave Woodstock was intended for you. Get off your liver and get on the stick! Knock off the fake war-hero crud. I deal w the real thing every day.

By Dave From Woodstock

November 10, 2005 04:39 AM | Link to this

Dave Woodstock. You were never in Nam.

Yeah, so what?

Like most, you pretend it was so. The closest thing to a military CO you ever had was Pee Wee Herman. You are but a stench in the nostrils of the word “decency.� Steal a life somewhere and cease wasting space herein.

So being a vet of Vietnam somehow makes you superior to me?

The war’s been over for 30 years, get over it and get over yourself.

By candide

November 10, 2005 05:15 AM | Link to this

It was in a mood of desperation that the people of California resorted to yet another actor for governor. The first example of that with Reagan was not a precedent to follow. Schwarzenegger did about as badly as one could have expected; he deserves to be thrown out along with Gray Davis, but the problems of California remain unattended to: too many immigrants from Mexico and other undeveloped lands, both legal and illegal; too much pollution; too much power for vested interests of all sorts. Too little space where people want to live, while the vast interior is climatically awful. Atlanta could learn but does not from the ecological disaster which is the LA basin.

By Andy

November 10, 2005 05:36 AM | Link to this

So much for “reaching out” to the “moderates.” As soon as cartoon boy saw blood he went for the throat. Mindless rage is hard to keep bottled up.

They don’t even care if they cut their own heads off, no pun intended, as long as they get to savage someone. Take for instance, Judith Miller. These pinkos lined up to spit on her coffin and, check this out, she is their star witness for the Scooter Libby indictment. Now “Little Miss Run Amok” has no credibility. Who said the libs were worthless?

By Andy

November 10, 2005 06:16 AM | Link to this

Let’s look at the issues that Schwarzenegger “lost” on, as if it even matters to you pinkos. A law requiring minors to notify their parents before they get an abortion (we should all be so proud of ourselves.) You libs are welcome to voice your opinion on this, either way.

By Marion of Texas

November 10, 2005 06:58 AM | Link to this

Another incisive cartoon, Mike Luckovich — hitting hard at the lunacy of politics in this day and age. Keep up the good work.

By leighway

November 10, 2005 07:14 AM | Link to this

Is Andy educated?

By Andrew

November 10, 2005 07:28 AM | Link to this

A law requiring minors to notify their parents before they get an abortion (we should all be so proud of ourselves.)

At face value, something every parent should be able to support…but there is a deeper meaning also that is not being acknowledged. There are parents out there who would inflict greivous bodily harm or even kill their children if they found out they were pregnant. Sometimes you have to look at these things from another angle.

I despise and detest abortion, but I will not stand in the way of a person’s right to have one in performed by a licensed doctor in a clean OR…the alternative (which would be used anyway) is too gruesome to think about.

By Mike Not L

November 10, 2005 07:32 AM | Link to this

It appears Andy, that in response to your question regarding their opinions on minors and abortions, they wish to know the status of your education. Typical response, instead of confronting an issue, let’s attempt to bash someone instead.

… and WOW.. I agree with candide regarding the problems of California and the potential impact here.

By Mike Not L

November 10, 2005 07:38 AM | Link to this

Andrew, I do not disagree with most of what you said…perhaps adding to your point of There are parents out there who would inflict greivous bodily harm or even kill their children if they found out they were pregnant, should provisions be enacted that would remove the child from the custody of a parent(s) that has those tendencies.

By Karl Marx

November 10, 2005 07:52 AM | Link to this

Obviously Mike Luckovich read my book and has taken the theories of my manifesto to heart. He is a great comrade. Take from the those who earn and give to those who don’t!

By Andy

November 10, 2005 07:54 AM | Link to this

A parent can be sent to jail if their child misses school but they aren’t supposed to know if their child gets an abortion? I wonder why this is? Maybe in case #1 the teacher’s union wants to stay flush with tax dollars and can’t afford to lose students? Maybe in case #2 the abortion industry is afraid of losing business? I thought libs hated industry?

As far as Andrew’s point, I find it hard to sign on to the idea that we have to kill an unborn child to save the life of a minor because her parents might kill her. This is typical lib “nuance.” If you want to show concern for life, then extend your concern to all who have life. This would be Conservative “nuance.”

By Kanye

November 10, 2005 08:06 AM | Link to this

George Bush doesn’t care about turkeys.

By JB

November 10, 2005 08:11 AM | Link to this

I don’t exactly agree that Ahnuld was beheaded by having his ballot initiatives turned down. I think it’d be closer to the truth if the cartoon showed him having been plucked. Just becasue he was goathumped by the constiutents of one of the most liberal states in the union doesn’t really show much except he was an idiot for wanting that job to start with. Who does he think he is? Six Gun Ronnie?

By Mike

November 10, 2005 08:16 AM | Link to this

I think Andy has an excellent point. Anyone who believes that a woman should have the right to murder, aka abort, an unborn child should embrace the fact that their mother likewise had that right. Unfortunatly, too many mothers didn’t decide to murder their unborn children. Anyone who has aborted a child should be sterilized because they have already demonstrated their inability to care for anyone other than themselves.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 10, 2005 08:27 AM | Link to this

Not bad Mike. I think however you depicted the wrong body part being removed. His mouth will keep moving, but if we’re lucky he’s been cut off at the knees.

By TrueConservative

November 10, 2005 08:35 AM | Link to this

How many children are in foster homes, orphanages or on the street? How many ‘conservative’ dollars are taken out of the mouths of Living, Breathing, Thinking, Feeling, Suffering kids- to “save the embryos!” If you cared so much about ‘all life’ you’d put the children first- but this is just an advertizing campaign. The simple fact is that legal or not abortions have been happening the entirity of human civilization and legislation wont stop it from happening. How many of those children have you adopted today? Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and put your time and effort into those kids that are already here or into contreception programs that ACTUALLY PREVENT ABORTION and into sex education programs that tell kids the TRUTH about sex instead of trying to terrify them into abstenence by telling them they can get HIV from tears or mutual masterbation-

I’ll save you the trouble Andy- Im afreakin pinko because I actually look at the problem right? Once again you preach and preach but say nothing at all.

By TrueConservative

November 10, 2005 08:46 AM | Link to this

My mom was 16 Mike- and it was her decision to make not the church or the government. Groing up WITH my mother was hell, but I cant imagine the horror for both of us if you FORCED that on her instead of letting her make that choice on her own.

You call yourself ‘pro life’ but were all pro life. The difference is that you want to curb the problem by lying to kids in Sex ED and throwing aborting mothers in jail, We favor solutions that ACTUALLY CURB ABORTION. We dont like abortion any more than you- but lying to kids and convincing them their bodies are evil and not making contreception available adds to the problem-

By Andy

November 10, 2005 08:49 AM | Link to this

A parent can be sent to jail if their child misses school but they aren’t supposed to know if their child gets an abortion?

I am unable to rationalize this statement. I am at a loss; it doesn’t happen very often. Would any of you libs like to help me out or are you stuck on Moveon.org slogans?

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 09:00 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

If you didn’t finish reading after your last post the other day, you can finish reading HERE.

See you back on this thread later.

By gttim

November 10, 2005 09:05 AM | Link to this

Arnold IS NOT a conservative.

Uhh, what Kool-Aid are you drinking? Arnold is wingnut conservative who has jumped into the pockets of his corporate taskmasters and the religious zealots. HE ran as a moderate, but ended up being another right wing blowhard. He was slapped down by the voters, and basically was beheaded. He is a lame duck with now power now, and will never win reelection.

Bush has been slapped down as well. The GOP got whooped in the elections on Tuesday, and the Republicans in the House and Senate are rebelling against the Whitehouse.

Mike calls them the way he sees them. I would be surprised to here that Mike did not vote for Bush. Bush is a cartoonists dream! He looks funny, can’t speak the language, as is always doing stupid crap, well when not lying.

California’s problems? What the Republicans did to the state, which includes various propositions they ran through many, many years ago, and the loss of 9 billion dollars to Enron and all the GOP loving companies that defrauded the power customers there.

It happens all the time, the GOP screws everything up and the Dems have to come and try to fix it. It maybe too late now, however. The Reagan-Bush-Bush debt may to high to ever pay down, and their environmental damage is astounding. Not to mention all the American soldiers who will not leave the service in the same shape they went in, or with any benefits, unless the Dems can get them rammed through the GOP controlled government.

By JB

November 10, 2005 09:31 AM | Link to this

GT Tim, pull your head out of your behind. Had you even been born to be in the military during the Regan era then you’d realize that it only got screwed when Slick WIlly took over. Stick to what you know, which at this point is practically nothing. Go find a towel and dry behind your ears sonny.

By JB

November 10, 2005 09:34 AM | Link to this

Good old GT Tim is a victim of the double standards that are rampant at Georgia Tech. Make excuses and cover up for those in positions of authority when they violate policies and the law while they screw over everybody below and then launch a massive coverup and pretend that nothing ever happened.

By Jesus

November 10, 2005 09:43 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

(And sell-out Arnie too;)

By Wild Sects

November 10, 2005 09:56 AM | Link to this

Great cartoon but a bit inaccurate. The next time the voters of CA vote for a governor, Arnold won’t be back.

By Ahnuld

November 10, 2005 10:04 AM | Link to this

You are all sissy-girly men, I will crush you in the next election. Yaaaaaaaaahhhhhh. So until zen if I am to be a turkey, eat me.

By Adam Smith

November 10, 2005 10:15 AM | Link to this

Dear Karl,

(‘Take from the those who earn and give to those who don’t!’)

Dude, you’re dead. And nobody’s trying to bring you back to life. Even I said the markets can’t take care of everything, and democratic governments need to weigh in sometimes.

Whoever posted this drivel should go off and play in the sandbox with Joe McCarthy while the rest of us try to fix real problems.

By DrT.

November 10, 2005 10:24 AM | Link to this

It appears that Republican Congressmen and Senators are starting to read the handwriting on the wall. It appears that many of them are throwing Bush and the boys overboard before the mid term elections. Some of them also seem to be distancing themselves from the boys from big oil. All of a sudden they don’t want to drill in the Arctic. Bush has problems folks. Can you say lame duck?

By DrT.

November 10, 2005 10:33 AM | Link to this

Why is it murder(fratricide)when a stranger kills an unborn child, but it is not murder when the mother kills it? Can someone please enlighten me on this contradiction?

By Malachi

November 10, 2005 10:34 AM | Link to this

Right on TrueConservative.

I have a friend that decided not to have an abortion. She hid her pregnancy. Had the baby, and decided to put it in the dumpster. Do you want to know why? She didn’t want to tell her rich, conservative father that she pregnant by a “hip-hop” loving black guy.

So which is better? Have the baby and leave it in the dumpster or have an abortion?

And you conservatives advocate “pro-life” but go to war? What’s the difference? You are killing an innocent person just like a baby. Or does a baby play at the strings of your heart, but not an adult?

By Malachi

November 10, 2005 10:41 AM | Link to this

Let’s see DrT. what’s the docotorate in? Home Economics? If a mother donates twenty-three of her chromosomes and her DNA, doesn’t that make it her choice? A stranger did not donate anything, hence, it is not his or came from his body.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 10:43 AM | Link to this

Malichi, you aren’t very bright are you? Drag the military in when you never had the stones to pick up a rifle and stand your post on the wall. There are no innocent combatants on the battlefild! Military personnel joined with the knowlege that someday you will be called upon to kill your enemy with extreme prejudice. Combatants have the opportunity and means to fight back whereas an unborn child does not.

By kimberly

November 10, 2005 10:44 AM | Link to this

Wow.. the deterioration happened so quickly today. GREAT cartoon Lucko! LOL! Hahaha! To the confused: I think Lucko is saying that Arnold is a turkey (popular 70’s slang for schmuck), and that the voters in Cah-lee-fornia have lopped of his metaphoric head, the way Americans do to real turkeys this time of year. FUNNY!

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 10:59 AM | Link to this

Good grief, another prisoner just escaped from the Fulton County jail.

Do they even have locks on that place?

By Malachi

November 10, 2005 10:59 AM | Link to this

So if the fetus had a rifle in the womb, that would be okay? That’s the most ludicrous idea I have ever heard. I guess that we need to arm our fetuses. Suppose it doesn’t have eyes yet? Then what? Will the amniotic sack come equipped with bullets? This is hilarious.

By DrT.

November 10, 2005 10:59 AM | Link to this

Malachi…the question was why is it murder in one instance and not another? Using your logic, it must be OK for the mother to kill her child after it is born, “since she donated her 23 chromosomes and DNA.

By candide

November 10, 2005 10:59 AM | Link to this

You know, I used to be a conservative and a Republican until I discovered — granted, late in life — that those are just code words for Fascist.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 11:04 AM | Link to this

You must be high or just plain stupid. Here’s an idea for you Malichi. Reach into your pocket, pull out that crackpipe you seem to be using more often that your brainhousing group, stomp on it and then flush your stash.

By Andy

November 10, 2005 11:05 AM | Link to this

Malachi: The United States is at war targeting terrorists that kill innocent civilians and you wonder why?

By Billy Jack

November 10, 2005 11:09 AM | Link to this

Hey, Tex, you COWARD, I never claimed to be ahero in Nam. But, maybe you and I should meet up later today to discuss politics.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 11:13 AM | Link to this

you people baffle me. claim to be supporting a party of, for and by the people who supports and advocates rights and protection for everyone and then advocate the destruction of innocent children in the same breath.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 11:15 AM | Link to this

Update to my 10:59, now CNN says the prisoner escaped from the Atlanta PD while being transported.

I’m glad these folks are learning! /sarcasism

By Billy Jack

November 10, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

Candide, what do see as the responsibilities of the federal government?

By Bill

November 10, 2005 11:19 AM | Link to this

CNN (Classified News Network) are about as reliable as a heart murmor. Fulton Co. deputies probably gave the old boy a sloppy wet kiss when they set him free.

By Malachi

November 10, 2005 11:20 AM | Link to this

Andy, I love the guilt trip you tried to pull. “We are killing terrorists.” So everybody that has been killed in Iraq was a terrorist? If so, please list their names and affiliations.

Jarhead (an appropriate name)…none of the people that have been killed in Iraq were innocent? No accidents have been made?

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 11:28 AM | Link to this

Malichi, you still here boy? I told you to go flush your dope! It’s rotting your brain or what’s left of it.

By Tom

November 10, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

You are all sounding SO Gingrichian the way you’re calling each other names. Arnold is just another typical conservative: Big Ideas but no talent or skills to pull them off. They do the one thing that is easy: Cut taxes. That way the philosophical whores vote for them and the special interests send their kickbacks to finance negative campaign ads. God save America!

By Trixie

November 10, 2005 11:31 AM | Link to this

Arnold is a RINO. Republican in name only.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 11:34 AM | Link to this

. . . HAPPY BIRTHDAY USMC!

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 11:40 AM | Link to this

The USMC: Over 230 years of romping, stomping, hell, death and destruction. The finest killing machine the world has ever seen. I was born in a bomb crater, my mother was an M-16. My father was God Almighty. Each moment that I live is an additional threat upon your life. I am a roughish looking, roving soldier of the sea. I am cocky, self-centered, overbearing, and I do not know the meaning of fear, for I am fear itself. I am a green amphibious monster made of blood and guts who arose from the sea festering on anti-Americanism throughout the globe, wherever it may arise. When my time comes I’ll die a glorious death on the battlefield giving my life to Mom, apple pie, and the American Flag. We stole the eagle from the Air Force, the anchor from the Navy, the rope from the Army, and on the seventh day while God rested, we overran his perimeter, stole the globe, and have been running the show ever since. We live like soldiers, talk like sailors and slap the hell out of both of them. Soldier by day, Lover by night, drunkard by choice, Marine by the grace of God!

God bless and Happy Birthday my brothers!

By Andy

November 10, 2005 11:42 AM | Link to this

Malachi: If all of the terrorists came out of their holes and stood in the open where we could kill them then the world would be a better place, I can’t argue. But that is not their nature. They like to strap bombs on themselves, or hijack jumbo jets, and get as close as they can to people before lighting themselves off.

Speaking of which, where do you stand on the 3000 that died on 9/11? Do you blame the United States for this?

By Andy

November 10, 2005 11:46 AM | Link to this

OOOOOWWWWRRRAAAAAHHHH!!!!

By Wilma Lamb

November 10, 2005 11:46 AM | Link to this

Dear Mike I haven,t seen one of your cartoons I don’t like, just like some better than others wilmafromkansas

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 11:47 AM | Link to this

Andy, don’t bother with Malichi. Trying to reason with someone like him is like trying to polish a turd.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this

I thought Wilma trashed Cancun, then plowed through Florida into the Atlantic.

How the heck did she get to Kansas?

By Paul lite

November 10, 2005 12:05 PM | Link to this

Malachi, on “I have a friend that decided not to have an abortion. She hid her pregnancy”…At what point does accountabilty come into play. I have seen many suggestions and options for and against, however I never hear anyone discuss accountability…for the act, the condition,and the result.

By Malachi

November 10, 2005 12:07 PM | Link to this

Jarhead, once again you keep living up to your name. You do seem like the type that would want to polish a turd. You give a whole new meaning to the word: barbaric.

As for 9/11, I blame Saudi Arabia. The people on the plane were Saudi Arabian. But not a word has been uttered condemning them. As for it being the United States fault, no I don’t see it as the US’s fault. I think that we do need to tighten immigration. As what’s going on in France, liberal immigration can only lead to problems.

By kimberly

November 10, 2005 12:09 PM | Link to this

Marines are HOT! HAPPY BIRF’DAY!

Hey I know! Let’s stop getting them killed for lies and greed, and only send them to war when absolutely necessary! That would show them our LOVE a lot better than a $2 made-in-china magnet on the back of your car!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 10, 2005 12:12 PM | Link to this

RW: thanks. I looked this a.m. At some point in the day I have to go the well for water, stoke the fire, feed the family and sleep.

I can’t comment on the straightjacket fetish - to each their own. Her post gave me a chuckle.

Teresa’s name deal is no biggie to me. I use my married name for some functions, my maiden name, “ms. nordic warrior”, for others.

If I made a mistake regarding your use of derogatory comments, my apologies. Calling someone a name is not the only way to make derogatory comments.

Arnold just plain “creeps me out” but the folks in CA got what they voted for. Let’s up they learn from it.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 12:25 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Is this your father?

By TheTruth

November 10, 2005 12:26 PM | Link to this

Jarhead, are you sure you’re not Jughead? You know. The guy from the Snuffy Smith cartoon.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 12:30 PM | Link to this

I thought Jughead was from the Archies.

By Billy Jack

November 10, 2005 12:34 PM | Link to this

Happy birthday Marines. I was in the Army, but everyone knew who had the most a*-kicking bunch of fighters the world has ever know. God bless you and your valiant service to our nation!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 10, 2005 12:37 PM | Link to this

Could be. Don’t ever remember him having that much hair.

By Billy Jack

November 10, 2005 12:49 PM | Link to this

Could the left wing hack Luckovich and the left wing hack columnist Jay Bookman either be the same person, or related?

By Andy

November 10, 2005 01:04 PM | Link to this

Jay Bookman is a disease worse than bird flu will ever be.

By Bobbie

November 10, 2005 01:13 PM | Link to this

I accidentaly got on the Nov. 9th blog but then when I went to the Nov. 10th blog realized I hadn’t missed a thing. Same old farts saying the same old things.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 01:23 PM | Link to this

Malachi, you still smoking that junk? Now go flush that dope like I told you boy. Take that pansy “TheTruth” with you.

By Malachi

November 10, 2005 01:29 PM | Link to this

Jarhead, this childish bantering is kinda fun, did you get dropped on your head repeatedly as a child? With you wanting to arm defenseless children and wanting to polish turds? Not to mention your obsession with crack.

By Colonel Kurtz

November 10, 2005 01:33 PM | Link to this

Jarhead,BOY, you need to get your head out of that bottle of Jack or is it your a#$. If you ever were a Marine, you had to be a category 4. You are the kind of jacka$% that discredits all of the intelligent men and women who ever served. Now get down and give me 10…BOY!

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 01:39 PM | Link to this

Malichi, the mindless ramblings of a boy such as yourself are meaningless to me. You couldn’t hurt my feelings with a frag but you’re more than welcome to try. I’ve listened to little p** cowards like you - who sleep under the blanket of freedom others have provided - spout off before. What have you accomplished in this world boy? Nothing. What contribution have you made for society other than being a hemorrhoid and an embarrasment to your family? None. Write what you wish boy and don’t bother to stop and say thanks for the freedoms that others have provided for you, you have that right.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 01:41 PM | Link to this

Colonel Kurtz, what a surprise. Let’s hear it from the know-it-all warrior who claims to have beein in every armed conflict since Korea. The closest thing you got to being in-country was a case of the clap in Singapore.

By Trixie

November 10, 2005 01:43 PM | Link to this

Why do all you conservatives spend every waking moment on a newpaper that you profess to hate? Why don’t you go to one of your conservative newspapers or don’t they allow free speech and have a blog. Just wondering.

By Colonel Kurtz

November 10, 2005 01:53 PM | Link to this

Folks…I hope nobody judges the corp by individuals like Jarhead. Most Marines that I have known have alot more intelligence and alot more class than the “Jarhead”. If this guy was ever in the corp, with an attitude like that he probably spent most of his time in the brig or at his Master Gunny’s boots in the front leaning rest position. Anyway, Jarhead definately is not representative of other Marines. Probably the best thing to do is just ignore him. But if you can’t…just tell him to get down and give you 10. He knows what to do.

By Malachi

November 10, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

Obviously, I did strike a chord, Jarhead. You feel the need to call me derrogatory names like “p” or “coward” or “hemorrhoid”. Excellent. My goal for the day has been accomplished.

As for saying thanks to soldiers, I have. I thank them every time I see them, and buy them drinks when I see them in bars. You see, the difference between them and you is: They can have an honest debate about the war. They can be objective and talk about the pros and the cons of war. They are soldiers, and love what they do. But they also have brains that allow them to have dialogue.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 01:57 PM | Link to this

What’s a matter Kurtz? Your momma wouldn’t let you join my beloved Marine Corps? Or did my beloved Marine Corps present too much of a problem for your lack of physical dexterity and you couldn’t make the rank at Quantico and still so po’d about it that you’ve got to take cheap shots at Marines? Go ahead & take your best shot. Your opinion is as much concern me as much as that pansy Malichi’s.

By TheTruth

November 10, 2005 01:59 PM | Link to this

Jarhead! Get down and give me 10 you moron!

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:00 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 02:01 PM | Link to this

Hmm,that might be the first time I’ve seen the Marine Corps referred to as the “corp” and from a lifetime military man no less.

Must be the blog censor ml put in.

By Buff

November 10, 2005 02:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Trixie, I love your name. It is cute, sexy, and hot. Say, not to sound like a pig, but, would you mind telling me what you are wearing today? Thank YOU!!

By Ollie

November 10, 2005 02:08 PM | Link to this

Jarhead musta caught somethin a lot worse than the clap from his cellmate in the brig. Syphillis must be eating up what brain cells the whiskey aint gettin.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:13 PM | Link to this

Ollie, my illegitimate son!!!! How’s your mother these days? Still working that corner?

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this

Quit it! Stop!

I admit it. I’ve never been in the service. I tried but they asked and I told…

Please leave me alone.

I am an a$$.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:20 PM | Link to this

Yes, I likes me some hookers.

At least they don’t laugh at my “affliction.”

Plus, they really like to watch me frolic about in my little pink sundresses with matching sandals.

Seriously though, please leave me alone before “he” takes over again. “He” is really nasty and quite stupid to boot.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:22 PM | Link to this

Malachi,

Come on over here and give me some sugar.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:22 PM | Link to this

Very funny crotch-rot. Why don’t you stick to your own name and leave posting comments under “Jarhead” to me?

By Andy

November 10, 2005 02:23 PM | Link to this

Trixie: What makes you think that this is still cartoon boy’s blog? You are here to serve us now.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:24 PM | Link to this

OH NO!!

“He” is back!

Maybe if I touch myself in all sorts of naughty places and concentrate really hard, “he“‘ll go away…

By Gunny Caylor

November 10, 2005 02:28 PM | Link to this

Keep talkin Malachi. And everybody else too. The reason there is a military is so all of you can have your say. Jarhead when you get done giving the Colonel his 10, get your sorry maggot a)@ down to the motor pool and wash my jeep. When you’re finished down there come and shine my boots. And when you get that done get back down and give me 10. You hear me private?

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:29 PM | Link to this

We get the picture Malachi. You couldn’t be a Marine but you dream of having a platoon line up and nail you in the keister. That’s probably why you’re hanging around bars & buying drinks for soldiers. Keep dreaming crackhead and go flush that dope before you kill that last braincell.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:34 PM | Link to this

private? not in a long-long-time unless you’re referring to my current civilian rank (PFC - private f’n citizen).

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 02:37 PM | Link to this

Hey, Jarhead. You’ve just proved that you were never in the Corps or any other service for that matter.

Marines are in the Marines.

Solders are in the Army.

Dismissed.

Punk.

By Jim

November 10, 2005 02:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Jarhead, you ever see this?

Proper Definition of Marine Rank

General Leaps tall buildings with a single bound. Is more powerful than a locomotive. Is faster than a speeding bullet. Walks on water. Gives policy to God.

Colonel Leaps short buildings with a single bound. Is more powerful than a switch engine. Is just as fast as a speeding bullet. Walks on water if sea is calm. Talks with God.

Lieutenant Colonel Leaps short buildings with a running start and favorable winds. Is almost as powerful as a switch engine. Is faster than a speeding B.B. Walks on water in indoor swimmimg pools. Talks with God if special request chit is approved.

Major Barely clears quonset huts. Loses tug of war with locomotive. Can fire a speeding bullet. Swims well. Is occasionally addressed by God.

Captain Makes high marks when trying to leap building. Is run over by locomotives. Can sometimes handle a gun without inflicting self-injury. Dog paddles. Talks to animals.

First Lieutenant Runs into buildings. Recognizes locomotives two out of three times. Is NOT issued ammunition. Can stay afloat if properly instructed in the use of Mae West. Talks to walls.

Second Lieutenant Falls over doorsteps when trying to enter buildings. Says: “Look at the choo-choo.” Wets himself with a water pistol. Plays in mud puddles. Mumbles to himself.

Sergeant (E-5 & above) Lifts buildings and walks under them. Kicks locomotives off the tracks. Catches speeding bullets in his teeth and eats them. Freezes water with a single glance. BECAUSE…ON THE BATTLEFIELD HE IS GOD!!!

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:44 PM | Link to this

I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead. I am a poopyhead, a poopyhead, a poopyhead.

And I like to play with poop.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:45 PM | Link to this

Hey DevilDog, Sandfleas clog your brainhousing group? Malachi posted he buys drinks for “soldiers”.

By Ricky

November 10, 2005 02:45 PM | Link to this

Here is what the American public thinks about the press coverage of the Bush presidency: Nearly 50 percent of Americans believe the press is unfair to the Bush administration, according to a new Pew Research Center. Similarly, an increasing number of Americans say the press is too critical of the administration. Perceptions are bolstered by a report released in July by the non-partisan Center for Media and Public Affairs. In “No Second Term Media Honeymoon for Bush,â€? the Center found network coverage of President Bush was twice as negative – two times as many negative-leaning stories as positive-leaning stories - in the first 100 days of the president’s second term

By Trixie

November 10, 2005 02:46 PM | Link to this

Buff and Andy who I suspect are one and the same. Ed Norton is my love so put a sock in it.

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:46 PM | Link to this

what kinda mickey mouse b.s. is that?

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 02:52 PM | Link to this

I really want to get buggered.

Do you think the President or Vice President would help me out?

How about a nice fisting? I bet Rumsfeld would really get into that.

Won’t you all write these fine men on my behalf asking them to either bugger or fist me?

Thank you.

By Buff

November 10, 2005 02:52 PM | Link to this

Thank you, Trixie. Ricky, I am not surprised. The mainstream media is so out of tuch with reality and cannot be trusted.

By Malachi

November 10, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

I’m enjoying this bashing that you are receiving Jarhead. Hahahahaha!!! Keep on talking, polishing turds, playing with poop, and listening to the voices. This is great.

By sf

November 10, 2005 03:04 PM | Link to this

GROW UP MALACHI! It’s juvenile people like you who are going to kill this forum. By the way, you’re not fooling anyone by posting things under someone elses name. What a hypocrit! Just because someone doesn’t agree with your position gives you no right to be such an @$$.

By TheTruth

November 10, 2005 03:04 PM | Link to this

Stick a fork in Jarhead! He’s done!

By Jarhead

November 10, 2005 03:08 PM | Link to this

Ooooooo, sf, you’re so sexy defending me like that!!

I’d really like to plant a big wet one on you! You pick the spot.

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 03:12 PM | Link to this

sf,

Seems to me Jarhead likes to resort to calling names and being an ashhat.

Did you notice his reference to Ollie’s mom above?

This pretend marine is an embarassment to this entire board and the sooner he’s gone the better off we’ll all be.

Whomever it taunting him should keep it up.

By sf

November 10, 2005 03:19 PM | Link to this

First off, I’m not defending Jarhead. Whether or not he’s who is really is I guess we’ll never know. For that matter, you could be a liar by using DevilDog and pretending to be a marine. My problem is Malachi and his alter ego (The Truth) with their personal attacks. This blog used to be pretty cool but has turned out sooooo lame. Think i’ll find something better to do with my time.

By Buff

November 10, 2005 03:22 PM | Link to this

sf is right, you guys, if you are gusy are ruining this site with your juvenile machinations

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 03:24 PM | Link to this

sf,

Welcome to the internet.

Is this your first time?

Ever read Craigslist or any other non moderated or self moderated blog? They always turn into name calling and p** contests.

In time, these idiots will go away, there will be peace and honest discourse again, and then the turds will reappear for a while.

Deal with it or leave. Your choice.

By Mike Not L

November 10, 2005 03:28 PM | Link to this

DDog the reference to Ollies mom is more indicative of Jar’s legitimacy of who he states he is, than his posting of the quotes from Malachi — I think he knows Marines are Marines, Soldiers are in the Army, and those in the Navy are..well squid - And certainly all can see that some one else is posting as Jarhead….

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

Irregardless of my views on the war in Iraq, I have always had a tremendous amount of respect for the soldiers of all of our armed forces. Reading the posts of Jarhead and other so-called military men on this blog makes me wonder if that respect wasn’t a tad bit misplaced. I thought one of the 3 Marine Corps values was Honor along with Commitment and Courage. Where is the honor in anything that Jarhead has had to say thus far?

By Andy

November 10, 2005 03:31 PM | Link to this

Malachi is probably Cynthia Tucker trying to drive everybody away from here. This wasn’t the best idea exposing their thoughts to open discussion, they can’t control what is exchanged like they do every day in the paper.

By Ollie

November 10, 2005 03:33 PM | Link to this

sf, Jarhead always launches the 1st strike. He went way over the line callin Malachi “boy”. That was the time that everyone else launched a counter strike and with good reason. Jarhead needs to get his head out of his 4th point of contact and fight a retrograde action right out of this blog.

By Jay

November 10, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

Thanks Ricky for putting in something worthwhile. As for the Bush Bashing in the media, it has been going on since day one. Within the first days of the Iraq invasion, I remember the media and many on the left immediately started in that “the lines were too thin” and painted a gloom and doom picture that we would never even make it to Baghdad, yet days later we watched as Sadam’s head fell. The media never provides the stories of any good over there. If you talk to soldiers who have been there (as you have) they can tell you about alot of good things that are happening and how thankful many Iraqis are that American soldiers are there to help them. As for all the naysayers, Monday morning quarterbacking is easy, but history has not been written yet…

By sf

November 10, 2005 03:41 PM | Link to this

OMG, referring to somebody “boy”. PLEEESE. I’ve heard plenty of older men refer to younger men as “boy” and it meant nothing. I’d be more concerned by the reference to someone as a crackhead. I’d say that being referred to as “boy” is fairly innocuous compared to some of the things i’ve seen posted here.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 03:42 PM | Link to this

Come on now Jay, you can’t say that the media NEVER reported any good news….don’t you remember that great story showing Pres. Bush on the aircraft carrier with the huge banner proclaiming our “Mission Accomplished?” I KNOW you can’t have forgotten that great piece of coverage…

By Ricky

November 10, 2005 03:53 PM | Link to this

Sickoftheneocons, do you remember when after being in Afghanistan for about 10 days the media was reporting we were stuck just like the Soviets? And two weeks later the Taliban ceased to exist. And by the way, the mission of toppling Saddam and his government was complete.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 03:58 PM | Link to this

Sorry Ricky, that old dog just won’t hunt. If you’ll recall, our stated mission at the outset of the war was to find and destroy the WMD that pols on both sides of the aisle say were there. I think I’d have to declare that Mission Impossible, as it turns out, there haven’t been any WMD’s unearthed.

By Jay

November 10, 2005 04:00 PM | Link to this

Sick, yes, that would have been a good thing-You got one there. But that still doesn’t mean that our brave troops are not accomplishing good things over in Iraq. They should at least be acknowledged more often for their good deeds by our media.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

I can’t continue to lean on that same old piece of propoganda that we went over there to topple Saddam’s government for the good of the people. I just can’t paint Bush with that humanitarian brush.

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 04:01 PM | Link to this

Jay and Ricky,

Since when is it a bad thing to write negative reports about the President? If he’s doing a cruddy job, shouldn’t they write about it?

Were you upset when the media was negative towards Clinton? How about when it went out of its way to distort Gore’s comments during the 2000 election?

The point here being, the fact that negative reporting exists does not prove bias — as you both seem to believe exists.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:05 PM | Link to this

A little off topic…but what is the origin of the word “pinko?” I have seen it several times on this blog but don’t know where the word came from? Anyone help me out?

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 04:07 PM | Link to this

1936, derogatory slang form of pink, used of people whose social or political views “have a tendency toward ‘red,’ ” a metaphor that had existed since at least 1837.

http://www.etymonline.com/

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:09 PM | Link to this

So what your telling me devildog is that since Republicans are the “red” states that they are the pinko’s?

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 04:12 PM | Link to this

sotn,

Learn to use the internet.

Read a book.

Your ignorance or feigned ignorance is embarassing to Liberals and Progressives around the globe.

By tex

November 10, 2005 04:17 PM | Link to this

Well now, LITTLE BILLY JACK. You dare waste my time. You have neither the intelligence or scrotal mass to compete. Quickest way to locate me is in the Nat’l Military Archives. Try it, Queenie. I don’t get a chance to visit here often. But DO appreciate Mike L’s fine work. W truck-drivin’ clods like you in our midst, Mike has a never-ending supply of good ammo. Your vomitus spoils the site. Take another sip of courage. Bye.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:19 PM | Link to this

I’m not a liberal, nor am I ignorant. I have read several thousand books and often use the internet for research. I simply wished to know the origins of a word. Sorry, I’ll never ask again.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 04:21 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons,

For many years the Red/Blue designations changed with each election.

If you go to a 1996 election map you’ll find the states carried by President Clinton are in red.

After having to look at the 2000 map for weeks, while Al Gore tried to steal the election, the networks decided that the color designations were too ingrained in peoples minds to change them for 2004.

By sf

November 10, 2005 04:22 PM | Link to this

you never heard anyone referred to as a pinko-commie (referring to a communist)?

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:23 PM | Link to this

Thank you RW, while I don’t necessarily agree with your politics, I appreciate the insight (the information part of your post was enlightening but not the cheap shot at the end) :)

By Buff

November 10, 2005 04:24 PM | Link to this

Sick, commies are considered “red” and a “pinko” or “pinks” is a a watered down version

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:27 PM | Link to this

Yes sf, I have, I just didn’t know where the word originated from, thus the question.

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 04:27 PM | Link to this

sotn,

Thank you for disassociating yourself from me.

If you’ve really read several thousand books then you must have come across the word “etymology” once or twice. Huh? Ever seen it?

Go to Google and enter it and see what happens.

In this day and age, if you can’t perform simple searches like this you are in fact ignorant.

Oh, and by the way, lieing on the internet is just like lieing in real life. You haven’t read several thousand books and you probably use the internet to search for porn and stupid liberal talking points.

You’re just as bad as the NeoCons you profess to hate.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:31 PM | Link to this

I thought that it might have started from the Red revolution in Russia but I wasn’t sure.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 04:35 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons,

You’re welcome, I couldn’t resist the dig at Gore. Sorry.

I always thought the term pinko came from hard left communism, but answers.com defines it as a slang term for someone with a moderatly left political view.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

Think what you will devildog…I care not one wit for your childish rants and insufferable grandstanding. I could have gone to Google and done the search yes, but I’d rather ask the question on this blog (which IS using the Internet, by the way) so not only could I get the answer but from differing points of view. (I, for one, don’t mind hearing others viewpoints). Unlike some on this blog…

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 04:42 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons,

Here is an interesting article on the origin of the term PINKO.

I don’t know anything about the author or the group, but the article seems to make a pretty believable case for how the term originated and evolved.

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 04:43 PM | Link to this

sotn,

This is not using the internet. This is your pathetic attempt to engage in a dialogue.

You are a child.

Go away now please.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:43 PM | Link to this

Let me ask you a question RW and everyone else on the blog: I have read several opinions regarding the apparent hemorraging (sp?)of the trade and federal deficits. Do you really think that tax cuts are the answer or do you think there’s a better way? It SEEMS that is the cure-all that this administration is proposing for our fiscal woes.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 04:45 PM | Link to this

Devildog, I’m sorry, your dismissed.

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 04:47 PM | Link to this

sotn,

Why are sick of the NeoCons?

What specifically have they done to create such venom in one as young as yorself?

No fair running off to Media Matters for your answer…

By Buff

November 10, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

I think tax cuts are good because theywill stimulate the economy, create jobs, etc. But, the reckless spending of the GOP is an outrage. The three times in recent history when the govt grew at its fastest pace were: 1. FDR 2. LBJ 3. George W. Bush What do all three of those have in common: One party controls both the White House and both branches of Congress. Foreign money is bailing us out. It is a true economic mess.

By Jay

November 10, 2005 04:48 PM | Link to this

DevilDog, I have no problem with the media saying negative thing about Bush. But what I do have a problem with is when they don’t give our troops their due recognition because they are pushing a political agenda (i.e. If something makes Bush look bad, run it into the ground. If it is something good, ignore it or back page it.)

By DevilDog

November 10, 2005 04:53 PM | Link to this

Jay, There you go, ascribing a political agenda to the media because they don’t agree with you.

What “good” stories should the MSM run with? And, please don’t rifle through old NewMax crud. Name me three specific “good” stories related to Bush that could have been better covered.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

sick,

Sorry, I once made a promise never to use the word neocon and I’m tired of typing it. I hope you don’t mind the truncation of your nic.

Your question involves too many things that are lumped together unfairly to be able to answer using just tax cuts or hikes as a solution.

So just take the federal deficit (the difference between what the government spends and what it takes in a given year). Tax cuts have always resulted in greater economic activity, which actually brings more money into the treasury. The problem gets created by Congress increasing spending by even more. Unfortunately nobody, not the Republicans, Democrats, or the President seems very serious about cutting spending.

I’ll try to explain why I think raising taxs is the very worst thing you could do right now, in another post if you’re interested.

By gadem

November 10, 2005 04:59 PM | Link to this

Was I in a coma? or is this Bizarro world? RW please tell me when did Al Gore try and steal the elections of 2000? If my memory serves me correctly, it were the neo cons down in Florida beating down the doors when they were trying to do a recount. Blatently trying to inhibit those that were trying to do the recount. So please stop twisting and distorting the truth for your own benefit.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this

Devildog, maybe you missed my last post, sorry, but your dismissed.

Buff, do you remember when the democratic presidency and Congress were vilified for being tax and spenders? Well, what is worse, taxing and then spending or cutting taxes and then spending? I simply don’t get it. I understand that cutting taxes pumps more money into local economies and to a lesser extent, the federal economy but is it enough to keep up with the utterly massive amount of debt we are compiling day after day? Also, suppose that the tax cuts do not provide the economic cure this administration envisions it to be, what then? How many trillions of dollars of debt do we pass on to future generations?

By Buff

November 10, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this

Raising taxes is a disaster. It assumes that the govt. can spend the money better than an individual. It also has the tendency to cost jobs, hurts the stock market, and as Milton Friedman said any time you can get money out of D.C. and into the hands of the public, that is a good thing.

By Jay

November 10, 2005 05:04 PM | Link to this

Devil Dog, not true, there are plenty of positive actions and projects our troops perform everyday that could be news worthy, I don’t see many of those stories in the mainstream media- (why would that be?). I have not been to Iraq, but there are plenty of veterans who could give you more than 3 stories.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 05:12 PM | Link to this

Jay, I have to disagree with you. Maybe it’s just my perspective but it seems LATELY, it wasn’t always so, but lately, it seems every time a read about a bombing or an American casualty in Iraq, I read another story of GI’s playing football (soccer) with the local children, of how American troops are giving candy and hugs and toys and spreading as much good will as they can and of how American soldiers are gaining loyalty inch by agonizing inch from their Iraqi counterparts. I have seen many such stories over the last few weeks.

Buff - I agree that I would like nothing better than to have more of my money in my pocket. I just don’t know if having an extra $100 in my pocket means that an American soldier goes to Iraq without his body armor. It seems that we are robbing Peter to pay Paul as the old proverb goes.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 05:13 PM | Link to this

gadem,

The one instance you cite was when the election board in Miami-Dade decided to violate the Florida Sunshine law that says all government business, including vote counts, must be done in the open.

The people that stopped them from counting in private did not stop them from counting. And, how do you know they wern’t lifelong Republicans?

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 05:18 PM | Link to this

Good Lord! Why must we continually go round and round about a damn election or stolen election (depending on your viewpoint)that has been over and done with for over a year! For pity’s sake, MOVE ON!

By Ricky

November 10, 2005 05:19 PM | Link to this

Sotn, cutting takes is good for the economy. That is a proven fact. People at the individual level will spend more if they have more dispoable income. In fact, right now the federal government is taking in more tax dollars per capita than anytime in history. The problem we have right now is that we are spending like crazy. I am a conservative first, Republican second and I am completely dismayed at the amount we are spending right now. If we would get back to the days when we had fiscal conservatives we would be much better off. I think the tide is finally starting to turn in Congress and Republicans have had enough. We will see though.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 05:25 PM | Link to this

gadem,

If you come back out of your coma, THIS LINK will take you Amazon. This book let’s you see alot of the bullet points from this page.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 05:36 PM | Link to this

Ricky, I realize that we are taking in more tax dollars as a result of the tax cuts but I want know at what levels. Let’s say you save an extra $3000 in taxes per year as a result of your tax cut, could be more, could be less. Now, I would think that the average American would spend that $$ on their average everyday expenses, your average American is not investing that money, they are spending on that new refrigerator or Christmas or anything BUT investments. This certainly means that state sales taxes get a boost and local economies benefit in the terms of new jobs but how much of that tax cut dollar “trickles up” to the federal level?

By Ricky

November 10, 2005 05:40 PM | Link to this

Sofn, you almost answered the question yourself. Everytime someone makes a purchase whether it be at a Sears or at a local mom and pop store, some of that money makes it to the federal governemnt. And think about it, when local economies are creating new jobs, you are getting people back into the workforce who every week when they get paid are getting federal taxes taken out of their paycheck.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 05:40 PM | Link to this

An addendum to my earlier post. I also realize that those newly created jobs create more income tax revenue but is that sufficient to bring a $10,000,000,000,000.00 deficit under control or reduce it? Again with spending going through the stratosphere, is it enough? I don’t believe so.

By Ricky

November 10, 2005 05:43 PM | Link to this

Sotn, if you read my earlier post I said that we need to curb spending. To make the economy run at its best we need low taxes on idividuals and fiscal conservatism at the federal government level. Bill Clinton and the Republican congress of the 1990’s was able to do this. We can do it again. As you have seen in the news, members of Congress are starting to complain about the spending and are trying to do something about it

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 05:47 PM | Link to this

I agree with you Ricky that “some” of those monies make it to the federal government and that there are increased income revenues but is that sufficient to cap this debt and reduce it? Honestly, who really knows how long we are going to be in Iraq? Everyone can make an estimation but no one knows with any certainty. That war will continue to cost us billions, there’s no other way around it. With domestic entitlement spending going through the roof through the next decade, defense spending, out if necessity, increasing at a similar rate over the next decade and with natural disaster spending conservatively costing at least $200,000,000,000.00, the future looks frightening for my sons.

By Ricky

November 10, 2005 05:50 PM | Link to this

Sotn, there are multiple entitlement programs that we can cut spending on and some we cand do away with entirely. What we need is someone with enough courage to stand up and say it and not worry about the politics of it. Go back and look at the amount of debt we had after WWII. We came out of that okay. I think the people that say our future is screwed because of the national debt are alarmists.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 05:50 PM | Link to this

Rickey, again I did see your post on the out of control spending, I think our posts are just crossing each other. But how much of the spending in the next 10 years is going to be mandatory. What can we cut? Certainly not the defense budget. Whether we want to cut it or not, we simply can’t? We can’t get entitlement spending much, the boomers are retiring soon and those services paid forby the majority of entitlement spending will be necessary for that generation. Those are the 2 biggest expenditures of the federal government and neither can be cut with any ease.

By Ricky

November 10, 2005 05:54 PM | Link to this

We can cut spending on many of the welfare programs that are out of date and are terribly inefficient. We can cut farm subsidies, 75% of which go to the largest 10% of the farmers in America. What we really need to do is stop having so much pork coming out of Congress. That has gotten totally out of control. Robert Byrd is a prime example of that. The Senators from Alaska that got $100 million to build a bridge to an island with 5 residents. That is what we need to stop

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 05:57 PM | Link to this

Bear in mind, I’m not talking about welfare, we can gladly be rid of that with no qualms about it. I’m talking about veteran’s benefits, senior services, medicare/medicaid, the prescription drug benefit, social security. Spending on those programs (other than social security)will actually have to increase if we are to service our aging population. On a side note, I don’t know about those personal retirement accounts because again I think that the average American is willing to do just about anything with their money except invest it.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 06:01 PM | Link to this

I am in complete agreement with you on that Ricky. It’s time to KICK THAT PIG straight out of Congress, no more pork. Well, I have to be going my friend, I enjoyed our conversation, perhaps when there are a few more people hanging out on the blog we can have a more spirited dialogue. It was nice to be able to present a viewpoint without getting hounded though. Thanks and have a good day.

By Andy

November 10, 2005 06:03 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: I’ll take credit for creating the word “pinko.” I meant for it to describe sissy, tree hugging, baby killing, dictator loving, wimp liberals. The meaning can be altered to include those that I may have left out.

By sickoftheneocons

November 10, 2005 06:08 PM | Link to this

Andy, how can someone love a tree but kill a baby? And how could a wimp or sissy kill a baby. I’d think it would take some cajones to kill a baby, especially if it is your own (I assume your speaking of abortions). Do you always contradict yourself, or just when your drunk?

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2005 06:09 PM | Link to this

Ricky,

I agree that the bridge in Alaska should be postponed or even scapped, but it is being badly mischaracterized.

The bridge goes from Ketchikan to Gravina Isalnd. It’s true that the island has a population of about fifty, but that’s where the airfield is. So it really serves the 8,000 or so in Ketchikan.

I’m splitting hairs, but I hate when we get bombarded with misinformation.

By Andy

November 10, 2005 06:21 PM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: If you really think about it, and that may require some patience, killing the unborn child could be considered the easy way out. That’s what liberalism is all about, isn’t it?

By Dave From Woodstock

November 11, 2005 02:27 AM | Link to this

sickoftheneocons: I’ll take credit for creating the word “pinko.� I meant for it to describe sissy, tree hugging, baby killing, dictator loving, wimp liberals. The meaning can be altered to include those that I may have left out.

Big Bad Angry Andy:

So lemme get this straight. You say liberals are sissy’s? By sissy, do you mean gay? You mean they’re aren’t any gay conservatives?

Wow.

Note to self: Write a letter to Arizona Republican senator Jim Kolbe, asking why he is gay and a Republican.

Liberals love to hug trees? What’s wrong with trees? I like trees. You hate trees? Do you hate all of God’s creations?

Hmmm.

So you say Liberals are baby killers? I’m a liberal, and I’ll have you know I haven’t killed one baby in my entire life. Who are these baby-killers? I would think the cops would have arrested these sickos by now.

Imagine that, people killing little babies. What’s your opinion on abortion?

Dictator-loving? Are we talking about a guy like Sadam Hussein? Yeah, I think we are. Wasn’t that Don Rumsfeld who was the last US official to formerly meet with Hussein?

Or are we talking about Muammar al-Qaddafi? You know him right? Tyrant, totalitarian, de facto leader of Libya - the guy the Bush Administration recently made nice with.

I seem to remember Dick Nixon had a nice relationship with former Chilean dictator-in-chief, Alberto Pinochet.

I guess Liberal pinkos aren’t the only people who like to play with dictators afterall.

Where’s RW when we need disinformation disqualified?

Wimp? No, a wimp is a guy who talks on the Internet like he’s a bada$$ - you qualify Andy.

And what the hell kind of bada$$ is named Andy, anyway? Isn’t there a doll named Andy? You need to change your name to Butch, or Spike, or BillyBob BadA$$.

You’ll be that much more credible.