Mike Luckovich

By Bobb

October 27, 2005 08:08 PM | Link to this

Okay…I’ve got my eyes closed…haven’t even looked at your latest cartoon….taking a deeeeep breath………yep….you still stink…

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2005 08:23 PM | Link to this

Well this “cartoon” certainly proves Mike’s disdain for the American military, once again.

Luckovich, Did anyone mention, to you, that Roas Parks died this week. Tribute obit cartoons are something you actually have a talent for. Can you get over yourself long enough to pay her tribute?

By Johnny Discouraged

October 27, 2005 08:36 PM | Link to this

Mike, thanks for the poignant and thought-provoking “WHY?” cartoon. Everyone seems to be too busy reminding us of what UnCurious George says, rather than considering WHY we’re at war when NO IMMINENT THREAT existed? Not to mention WHY WE WERE TOLD such a threat was waiting around the next corner. Contrary to George’s claim that “you’re either with us or you’re against us” it is sad that conservatives don’t see we have alternatives to warfare. Do you think the estimated 30,000 Iraqi civilians we’ve killed are happy to be “free”?

By MikeSucks

October 27, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this

Johnny Discouraged

Bush never said that Iraq was a imminent threat. He said that he wanted to take action before Iraq became one.

You were told about a threat because every intelligence agency in the world believed that Iraq was still developing WMD. Thats why both Clintons, Kerry, Gore and Kennedy said so in public.

The 30,000 deaths you cited include deaths “related to instabilty caused by the war”, so remember that these estimates include every reported murder. Regardless, that number pales before the 500,000 Iraqi children who died as a result of the sanctions reagime that liberals are so fond of. Bin-Laden used the 500k number as a rationale for 9/11.

Shouting in caps can not overcome your obvious lack of knowledge. Try reading something longer than a bumper sticker.

By Observer

October 27, 2005 09:58 PM | Link to this

Hey ‘MikeSucks’— Why don’t you expand your horizons and read the following article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12115-2004Oct6.html

When you do you will see that every argument sited by the Bush administration as justification was patently FALSE. Then when your done with that one you can read this:

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=5000

This one has the quote of the year from Retired Army Lt. Gen. William Odom, a Vietnam veteran: “The invasion of Iraq I believe will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history,�

Trying reading something other than the GOP talking points.

(Many thanks to KevinNYC for posting the links to these articles)

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2005 10:10 PM | Link to this

Observer,

Would you post a link to these “GOP talking points” your side is so fond of referring to.

Thanks in advance!

By Observer

October 27, 2005 10:16 PM | Link to this

Sure, as soon as I see some of those bumber stickers ‘MikeSucks’ was refering to.

By Dusty

October 27, 2005 10:40 PM | Link to this

This is the most abysmal cartoon I’ve ever seen. Not only is it bad, it is senseless. It is a crossed-up effort to betray our troops, our Vice President and our country. I will cheer when Luckovich leaves for somewhere. Anywhere! The sooner the better.

By Midori

October 27, 2005 10:46 PM | Link to this

I find it highly amusing that the same cast of characters show up, day in and day out, with the same snarky, jerk comments mocking Mike and his talent.

If I hated a place/editorial comment so much, I’d be damned if I became a groupie.

Mike is the funniest, most insightful cartoonist of the editorial world.

It’s not his fault that some “don’t get it”.

One can only ask so much.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2005 10:46 PM | Link to this

Observer, Mikesucks is probably talking the chidish stickers you can see all over midtown or maybe on your bumper.

You know:

Whirld Peas No Blood for Oil Luckovich is a treasure

Now can I have my talking points?

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2005 10:51 PM | Link to this

Hey Dusty,

I see Midori wants to segregate this into an exclusive liberal vacumn. No wonder they hate Fox News, they just can’t stand hearing both sides of a story.

By Midori

October 27, 2005 10:52 PM | Link to this

I guess we have to fight the bumperstickers over here so we don’t have to fight them over there.

By Observer

October 27, 2005 10:54 PM | Link to this

To ‘RW-(the original)’ — Ask and yee shall recieve:

http://www.gop.com/GetActive/CallTalkRadio.aspx

Can’t get much credible than from the official GOP website…

By Midori

October 27, 2005 10:55 PM | Link to this

LOLOLOLOLOL

Fox News and both sides of a story???

bleep

buzz

whirl

DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NOT COMPUTE

See, I can be a robot, too :)

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2005 10:57 PM | Link to this

Thanks Observer,

I wouldn’t be too sure about these official sites though. I got a email form Gov. Crazy Howie MD, yesterday and Outlook automatically put it in my junk folder.

By Observer

October 27, 2005 11:05 PM | Link to this

Your welcome RW. Don’t know anything about Crazy Howie, but the link I posted lists the following at the bottom of the page:

Republican National Committee | 310 First Street, SE | Washington, DC 20003 p: 202.863.8500 | f: 202.863.8820 | e: info@gop.com PRIVACY POLICY | SITE MAP

Paid for by the Republican National Committee

www.GOP.com © 2005 Republican National Committee

Now I’m no rocket scientist, but that seems to me to be about as much proof that you would possibly need to verify the validity of this site.

End of transmission.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2005 11:11 PM | Link to this

You don’t remember Crazy Howie?

We’re going to South Carolina, we’re going to New Hampshire, we’re going to Arizona….

YEAAAARRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH.

Now runs the DNC, just won’t claim it in his title.

By Dusty

October 27, 2005 11:27 PM | Link to this

No, Midori, you are not a robot. You are just a plain ol’snoopy groupie yourself passing out the usual liberal insults. Nothing new. And what do you know? Luckovich’s cartoon is still rotten. Nothing new there either.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2005 11:37 PM | Link to this

Observer cheated me, that’s just phone numbers and topics.

Over at Crazy Howie’s place they even write your ltte’s for you.

By Dusty

October 27, 2005 11:54 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original), you had me guessing about Crazy Howie for a minute. Good old Dr. Howard Dean, still plugging away. I guess that is the best Democrats can do.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2005 11:58 PM | Link to this

Dusty, It really is a hoot if you get on the dems email list.

He always signs: Gov. Howard Dean M.D.

I wonder why he’s ashamed of his real title?

By Dusty

October 28, 2005 12:19 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original), The guv really likes to impress people. “Crazy Howie” doesn’t have much of a ring to it! But it seems just right to me.

Well, tomorrow is another day and another clueless cartoon. G’night.

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 12:51 AM | Link to this

Dusty, How about “Howard the Doc”? Goodnight

By Andy

October 28, 2005 06:40 AM | Link to this

One day cartoon boy claims to “honor” our servicemen, the next day he slanders them as “torturers.” With friends like this, our soldiers don’t need enemies.

By candide

October 28, 2005 06:59 AM | Link to this

If you read anti-Mike comments, as well as most rightwing talk, it is obvious that rightwingers should be hospitalized in mental wards. Insanity reigns supreme in their midst.

By G.

October 28, 2005 07:59 AM | Link to this

Another great one, Mike! Old Cheney deserves that big time.

By Madonna Swanson Ward

October 28, 2005 08:14 AM | Link to this

Thanks Mike for reminding us that we should all be asking WHY. If you don’t you are either ignorant or evil.

By gttim

October 28, 2005 08:15 AM | Link to this

Why not read to Cheney from his wife’s soft porn book featuring girl on girl sex? That might cheer him up? Family values indeed! I am so glad to see the religious fruitcakes, not people who truly know what Christianlity is all about, support a group of politicians who argue for war, torture, death and destruction. More family values!

The wingnuts need to go read Peggy Noonans new op ed in the Washington Journal. Even she knows the country is hurtling in the wrong direction. When that GOP apologist starts throwing in the towel, it is over.

By GWW, Cartersville

October 28, 2005 08:36 AM | Link to this

An old saying from my childhood in Kentucky says it all about Bush-Cheney: “They done got too big for their britches!” Good cartoons, Mike. I don’t have to agree with you on every cartoon to appreciate your talents and insights. Your work always makes me think a little deeper, and that’s a good thing. I think we moderates need to get a little more involved in supporting common-sense candidates who are competent, given the current level of incompetency in government, especially on the federal level.

By Eric

October 28, 2005 08:54 AM | Link to this

Mike’s drawing has nothing to do with the military you dimwit. It’s about Cheney’s attempt to legalize torture. And as usual, Mike is right on target.

By Dave

October 28, 2005 09:31 AM | Link to this

Mike is the best thing going in political cartoons, and the statistics show the majority of online readers approve. I suppose there is still hope for the “liberal elite” in Atlanta.
The rest of you nay-sayers and war-mongers…well, you deserve what you voted for.

By Abby Normal

October 28, 2005 09:41 AM | Link to this

The same idiots who follow Boortz, Fox News, rave about how we are fighting for freedom, say that leaving Hussein alone would be like ignoring Hitler, all use the same paradigms as the good Germans that rooted Hitler on, riding high on nationalism and false pride.

It’s one thing to have pride in your country and quite another to never question your leaders in the face of such tragic human costs.

By candide

October 28, 2005 09:44 AM | Link to this

Abby: what you are saying is that Republicans are Fascists. You are correct.

By Wild Sects

October 28, 2005 09:54 AM | Link to this

I was wondering if the wingnuts would dismiss Cheney’s tolerance for torture. I was not disappointed. How can you call yourselves Americans when this goes against every American principle? We were never a country that tortures before. Why do you think it’s ok now?

By Ricky

October 28, 2005 10:13 AM | Link to this

So Candide, all Republicans are facists? Does that make all Dems socialists? When you make generalizations like that you lose credibility to your agruement.

By jeff

October 28, 2005 10:14 AM | Link to this

I would think that Mike was an idiot if I actually thought that he BELIEVES all that junk that he prints, but I know better.

By Sherry Van Lear

October 28, 2005 10:20 AM | Link to this

“By Ricky

October 28, 2005 10:13 AM | Link to this

So Candide, all Republicans are facists?” No, Ricky, just that 38% of Repubs who are still clinging to their leader these days and making excuses for the damage done here and abroad. How bad does it have to get in America before you realize that a change in policies may be for the better? “Stay the course” is no policy when the country is way off-course!

By urblind

October 28, 2005 10:30 AM | Link to this

Maybe people throwing around the “fascist” label should look up fascism. Then ask yourself why you so strongly support Sadaam Hussein.

By FOXwatcher

October 28, 2005 10:32 AM | Link to this

I love how the people who commit crimes in our country get treated better than some of the poor people. Doesn’t that even bother you? The murderers that are caught get to rest their head on a bed while homeless people out there are living without the proper materials. The BTK killer is getting to live without any of the pain that he sadistically implemented on multiple people. Hey poor people, kill somebody and you can live better than your buddies on the street.

By Daniel

October 28, 2005 10:40 AM | Link to this

Some of you are going to fall down and hurt yourselves. Our situation is not about political philosophy. It’s about competence. One more W commercial with his sleeves rolled up won’t balance a budget. We need talented people in government. I wanted to believe. I can’t pretend. Mike is clever and he gives us a good laugh.

By Bud

October 28, 2005 10:53 AM | Link to this

Observer, Read it, read this…

Hussein, the report concluded, “aspired to develop a nuclear capability” and intended to work on rebuilding chemical and biological weapons after persuading the United Nations to lift sanctions…

This is all I needed to read. Don’t care about the line after it. Not a good man, removed from power and aspirations. Harbored terrorist. done deal.

By Bud

October 28, 2005 10:56 AM | Link to this

I don’t think having to sit in an outdoor cell is really torture. Maybe if they put the TERRORIST on a rack and tried to stretch them, that might get my attention. Then again, all they really want to do is live their life and KILL AMERICANS. We should just let them go.

By Dusty

October 28, 2005 11:12 AM | Link to this

There is so much loose information spouted by loony liberals on this blog. Makes you wonder how so many can squeeze into that category. For instance, Chaney is not any more associated with torture than Hillary Clinton is with health care. Any reports of torture by our military are reported and investigated. A few have gone to jail. This is such a minuscule of stressed soldiers out of the thousands we have in the middle East. No American supports torture. But Luckovich is intent on passing propaganda against the Bush Administration and our troops. He doesn’t bother with the facts. Just makes his “show” look good and makes Americans look bad. YOU support his efforts. I don’t.

By Teresa

October 28, 2005 11:43 AM | Link to this

Dusty, who’s this Chaney person?

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 11:49 AM | Link to this

Oh no! The typo police goons are out again.

By Dusty

October 28, 2005 11:51 AM | Link to this

Well, Teresa, I am glad that one of you can spell. We all know it is “Cheney”, don’t we? If you can’t figure that one out, then don’t worry about it.

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 12:21 PM | Link to this

Lemme play the Conservative Spin Game:

“If you don’t like Mike’s cartoon, you support torture.”

There! How do you neocons like that?

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 12:33 PM | Link to this

Hey, The press release from Patrick Fitzgerald says:

ALL MEDIA MUST PRESENT GOVERNMENT-ISSUED PHOTO ID (such as driver’s license).

What about the elderly and minority reporters?

By Ricky

October 28, 2005 12:35 PM | Link to this

Lets play the liberal spin game: “If Bush did it, it must be bad and destroying the country and taking money from the poor and racist.”

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 12:43 PM | Link to this

Bush never said that Iraq was a imminent threat. He said that he wanted to take action before Iraq became one.

Sorry, when you tell the world Iraq has approached Niger to purchase yellow cake uranium - YOU’RE TELLING THE WORLD THEY ARE AN IMMINENT THREAT!

Instead of telling us what Bush didn’t say, how about telling us what he did?

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 12:53 PM | Link to this

Dave from OZ, This is President Bush did say:

The British government has learned that Sadaam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of Uranium from Africa”

Somehow that doesn’t meet your charge and, by the way, the Brits stand by that statement to this day.

By Teresa

October 28, 2005 01:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty, FYI - according to Lynne (Dick’s wife), their last name is not pronounced “Chaney”, it is pronounced “Cheney”, as it is spelled.

By Dusty

October 28, 2005 01:21 PM | Link to this

Gosh, Teresa, thank you so much for all that information. I really wanted to know that. What an invaluable report. Please give my regards to Lynne. When she and Dick stop by the house I will know just what to say. By the way, Teresa, do you ever use an “h” in your name and how would you pronounce it?

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this

Lets play the liberal spin game: “If Bush did it, it must be bad and destroying the country and taking money from the poor and racist.�

Name one good thing Bush has done and I’ll name five stupid things he’s done.

By Eric Shelander

October 28, 2005 02:31 PM | Link to this

Virtually every single Democratic critic of the war today, was shouting for Saddam’s head during the Clinton administration.

“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed. - Madeline Albright, 1998

“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” - Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” - Bill Clinton, 1998

“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” - Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Ted Kennedy, Sept. 27, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” Sen. Hillary Clinton, Oct 10, 2002.

That all changed when the Democrats switched sides. It became party policy to oppose the administration by opposing the war. By early 2003, George Bush was more unpopular than Saddam Hussein.

Enter Joe Wilson, former ambassador and outspoken administration critic. He was sent by the CIA on a fact-finding mission to Niger after President Bush spoke the infamous ‘Sixteen Words’ in a State of the Union speech.

“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”

Joe Wilson returned from Niger and accused the president of lying. The charge caught on among Democrats, despite the fact the British government still stands behind their intelligence assessment, which is what Bush quoted in the first place.

It turns out that Wilson’s CIA assignment came at the suggestion of Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, who is a high level CIA employee. Wilson denied it until the 9/11 Commission subpoenaed a CIA memo that confirmed Plame recommended Wilson for the assignment.

The Democrats turned their attention away from Nigeria yellowcake uranium (that subsequently proved to be true) and attacked the administration for leaking Valerie Plame’s name to the press.

It is illegal to reveal the name of a covert CIA employee, but only under certain circumstances, not one of which applied to Plame. But that didn’t matter, once the smell of blood was in the water.

The outcry prompted the appointment of a special prosecutor, whose investigation determined what was already obvious before the investigation began.

Leaking Valerie Plame’s name wasn’t a crime. She didn’t hold covert status, hadn’t been outside the country on assignment for more than five years, and her identity was already well-known in Washington circles.

Any potential indictments would be the result of conflicting testimony between Libby and Rove and the two reporters they spoke with, Judith Miller and Matt Cooper of TIME Magazine.

If indictments are handed down, the president will lose his most trusted advisor, Karl Rove. The Vice President’s office will lose its Chief of Staff. And there is even talk of indicting Dick Cheney, which would certainly result in his resignation.

Why? Because somebody spoke the name of a non-covert CIA officer whose involvement in sending Joe Wilson on a fact-finding mission was material to rebutting charges that Bush lied in a State of the Union speech by quoting British intelligence reports — which the Brits still maintain are accurate!

What makes this so remarkable is, as I noted earlier, America is in a war in which it faces existential threats from enemies actively seeking weapons of mass destruction that they have already proven they would cheerful use against American civilians in the homeland. It doesn’t matter to al-Qaeda whether they are Democratic or Republican civilians.

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 02:38 PM | Link to this

What’s all the screaming and yelling about anyway?

As was widely reported yesterday:

This week, Vice President Dick Cheney proposed a novel solution for the moral and legal problems raised by the use of American soldiers to abuse prisoners and the practice of turning captives over to governments willing to act as proxies in doing the torturing. Cheney wants to make it legal for the Central Intelligence Agency to do this wet work.”

So someone here tell me how Mike’s cartoon isn’t at all fair or right? Do that and you’re a hypoocrite.

So neocons: Don’t go off all half-cocked with your whining that Mike is betraying the US Military! Your veep wants to legalize torture, real nice. What’s next, the end of due process for political prisoners? Oops sorry, that ones already happened, silly me!

Isn’t that America?

BTW: If you’re looking for someone who’s betrayed the US soldier and the US Service Veteran, look up George Bush.

By Matt

October 28, 2005 02:44 PM | Link to this

Dave, what do you consider torture? Do you consider it torture when someone is deprived of sleep? Do you consider it torture when someone is made to sleep with the lights on? What about making someone sit in cold room for a long time? That is what Cheney wanted. He didn’t want people beaten or abused. He didn’t want people shot or to have their fingers cut off. So yes if you consider the above questions torture, then yes he was authorizing torture. However, if you look at the amount of intelligence we have gotten from prisoners in Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere it is worth the results.

By Ricky

October 28, 2005 02:46 PM | Link to this

So Dave all republicans are neocons? Just like we were all called facists earlier right

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 02:57 PM | Link to this

What makes this so remarkable is, as I noted earlier, America is in a war in which it faces existential threats from enemies actively seeking weapons of mass destruction that they have already proven they would cheerful use against American civilians in the homeland. It doesn’t matter to al-Qaeda whether they are Democratic or Republican civilians

Quiz yourself.

The intelligence was flawed, then it was cooked to look as if Hussein was seeking uranium. And who did the cooking? Who invaded Iraq, while letting bin Laden escape?

You really ought stop with these wild-eyed assertations that Iraq = Al Qaida. If this is how justify the invasion of Iraq, then when do we invade North Korea? Iran? Syria?

No, it does no good. All you people have left to stand on is what has already been disproved and you still insist that Bush was right.

It would be laughable if it weren’t so pathetically insane.

By Matt

October 28, 2005 03:00 PM | Link to this

Dave you know that the uranium report came from Britian who still stands by it today. Nobody cooked that info

By sct

October 28, 2005 03:19 PM | Link to this

Thanks republicans for bringing respect, truth and dignity back to the White House.

Now if we can just get Ralph Reed elected here in Georgia, oh glory days…….

FREE SCOOTER LIBBY!!!!

By Teresa

October 28, 2005 03:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty, you seem just a bit hostile. All this trouble your people are in has gotten to you, hasn’t it? No, I don’t have a clue as to how my name would be pronounced with an “h” in it. Why don’t you enlighten me?

By hewhoasks

October 28, 2005 03:30 PM | Link to this

The cartoon doens’t insult the troops, doens’t mention the troops. The troops, if Bush hadn’t shopped around for someone (Gonzalez) to write an opinion that gave grounds for ignoring military laws and regulations that clearly prohibit all forms of torture, would have seen to it that all prisoners were treated humanely: just like the regulations require, just like their (the troops) respect for the regulations and for the country would have led them to do.

The insult to the troops and to the country was for the administration to go against the Constitution (which very clearly says Congress, not the president, makes the regulations for the military) and force an override of the military regulations (AR190-8, to be specific) so that prisoners in the custody of the US military could be subjected to torture.

By Dusty

October 28, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this

Luckovich’s cartoons are the most notorious “cooking’ that I have seem. He wants you to think that torture is common among American troops.(Big lie #1). Then he tries to say that the Vice President of the US condones torture.(Big lie #2). The only true thing in today’s cartoon is Cheney working at his deak with an American flag. Luckovich’s cartoons are not only “cooked”, they are scorched and burned. Evidently that is the way he wants us to see our troops, our government and our country.

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 03:46 PM | Link to this

sct,

You could go back a few days, to when your side was lynching Tom Delay, and find that our side believes in the rule of law. We also believe in, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

If Libby is proven guilty, so be it. If found not guilty will you accept that?

Aside to Teresa, do you ever add to the discussion or do you just nitpick?

By Teresa

October 28, 2005 03:47 PM | Link to this

Dusty - Cheney working at his deak? You’re not getting all kinky on us now, are you?

By Teresa

October 28, 2005 03:51 PM | Link to this

Ooooh, RW’s hostile too. There, there now. It’ll all be better in, oh, 30 years or so.

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 03:57 PM | Link to this

Dave you know that the uranium report came from Britian who still stands by it today. Nobody cooked that info

From Wikopedia:

• five days following the publication of Wilson’s Op-Ed piece, the CIA issued a statement discrediting what it called “highly dubious” accounts of Iraqi attempts to purchase uranium from Niger.[5] In the press release, CIA Director George Tenet said it should “never” have permitted the “16 words” relating to alleged Iraqi uranium purchases to be used in President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union address, and called it a “mistake” that the CIA allowed such a reference in the speech Bush used to take the United States to war. *

Soon after this, Tenet stepped down.

Matt:

Okay, let’s blame GB, er uh, I mean Great Britain. And while we’re at it lets blame France and Hillary too.

I feel so much better.

When does personal responsibility ever come into play?

The right wing spent the better part of the 90’s trying to “get” Bill Clinton, and they finally did when they found out he got a b***** in the Oval Office.

Lives lost: 0

Now we have a standing president who is up to his eyeballs in controversey, scandal, and embarrassment. Who surrounds himself with incompetent cronies and back-slappers. Who has declared his own war on Iraq based on lies to the American public.

We have a president who took his eye off the ball (bin Laden) in favor of a personal vendetta againts Sadam Hussein.

American Lives lost: 2,000+ Iraqi Lives Lost: 25,000+

What’s it going to take before you people wake up?

By Dusty

October 28, 2005 04:07 PM | Link to this

Teresa, now that school is out, go play with somebody. Like gnats in the summertime, I don’t care for pests.

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 04:16 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Don’t tell Teresa to do that. You could see from the last ‘pearl of wisdom’ she sent you where her mind is!

She probably loses internet access when her Mom gets to the daycare to pick her up anyway.

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 04:20 PM | Link to this

I love what some of you call ‘Conservative.’ ‘Conservativism’ is rooted in ‘conservation’ so what exactly have our Corporate Republican Overlords conserved? Human rights? Money? the environment? Christian Values? save the embryos but starve the children, the poor, the sick? thats Christian right? “Strikest thou preemptively and killest them all that their oil might be thine” thats in the bible right? Heres a clue- ‘an eye for an eye’ comes from Hamurabi not Jesus who openly denounces the death penalty. Maybe you should stop waving the book and start reading it. All those billions this ‘fiscaly conservative’ administration has spent (more than any other)havent helped the victims of Katrina or made any of us any safer although the CIA can arrest anyone who openly dissagrees with Bush thanks to the Patriot Act- theres a word for that Ricky. Good to see our civil rights ‘Conserved.’ I’m glad were ‘conserving’ this land for our kids, of corse with mercury (as in Mercury Poisoning) officially ‘non hazerdous’ all the wildlife will be dead and all of our kids will have Autism or Gills and we have ‘Conserved’ that money that would have gone to education, who needs that? our filthy rich kids go to private schools. We have to keep the poor sick, ignorant and terrified so theyll buy! buy! buy! that way at least Halliburton’s bottom line is ‘Conserved’ You call ME an extremist?!? read a book.

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 04:22 PM | Link to this

Dave from Oz,

It’s impossible to read your repetitive blather and also stay awake.

So if a President doesn’t do anything but chase skirts he’s not responsible for Khobar Towers deaths, USS Cole deaths, or 9/11 deaths?

No wonder we hardly ever elect democrats.

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 04:26 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, about torture it didnt work in the dark ages and it doesnt work now despite what Alberto Gonzales thinks. With enough degridation humiliation and pain Big Bird will confess to Killing the Linbergh baby or being the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll. If you think torture can ever help anything once again- read a book.

By sct

October 28, 2005 04:28 PM | Link to this

Oh yea RW, Tom Delay is a great example of an honest politician.

Why just yesterday……..

WASHINGTON (AP) � Rep. Tom DeLay has notified House officials that he failed to disclose all contributions to his legal defense fund as required by congressional rules.

The fund is currently paying DeLay’s legal bills in a campaign finance investigation in Texas, where DeLay has been indicted, and in a federal investigation of Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff. The lobbyist arranged foreign travel for DeLay and had his clients pay some of the cost……

How many times has Delay been admonished by the ethics committee now?

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 04:28 PM | Link to this

you dont read anything RW thats why youre a moron

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 04:33 PM | Link to this

See sct,

I’m sure you don’t want to get everybody started naming politicians that have had ethics questions? Talk about a run away blog!

But, could you cut and paste the verdict of the jury that convicted Delay.

By Bud

October 28, 2005 04:34 PM | Link to this

I’m still shocked most of you have this much time to type. Geez. GET TO WORK PEOPLE!

By sct

October 28, 2005 04:40 PM | Link to this

The family values charade is over.

Bush, Libby, Delay, Frist, Reed, Cheney, Rove.

The Republicans were going to march in and lead by example! Morals, family values and Jesus. Yea right.

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 04:46 PM | Link to this

Bud,

At least give us credit for typing fast, haven’t you seen how often Teresa has to correct us?

By Andy

October 28, 2005 04:46 PM | Link to this

I got a question for you libs. If torture is such a bad thing why does the left show so much admiration for people like Fidel Castro, Che Guevre, Saddam Hussien and Ho Chi Minh? Liberals aren’t naive, are they?

It’s rather simplistic and quite immature to even come up with the theory that Dick Cheney gets off torturing foreign detainees. Who do you think he is, Madonna? Beside which, if it were true, it would “just be about sex,” right?

I’d be willing to bet that Cheney just wants to protect Americans, even the ones too silly to see it.

By Matt

October 28, 2005 04:47 PM | Link to this

There is a difference between tourture and coerisve questioning. VP Cheney doesn’t condone torture despite what Lucko thinks. And look, there are enough politicians on both sides with ethical problems to fill up Alcatraz. So there is no point in picking on either side. Both sides are guilty of it.

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 04:49 PM | Link to this

sorry RW I should attack the ideas and not the man and I apologise. You keep attacking people so that they dont notice how ignorant your ideas are and I got caught up in it, but I’m better than that. If you stop preaching and start listening maybe someday you will be too. best of luck and read a book.

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

Does anybody know how Barnes and Noble managed to spam this blog?

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 05:02 PM | Link to this

I have no admiration for Castro although I find it embarassing that he offered more aid after Katrina than our own government, and I dont think Rove or Cheney are as evil as say Emperor Palpatine. In fact they probably think they are doing something good. The point is that torture hurts us more than it helps us- it undermines any Idea of ‘Liberty’ and has lasting efeects on our relationships with other countries and our ability to lead the world.as I mentioned anyone will confess to anything under enough Duress and almost all information gleaned in this manner is useless babble fake names and false confessions it is also a great way to terrify american citizens who oppose you. go look up fascism in the encyclopedia. torture is the tool of tyrans and madmen…not the united states any supporter of torture who calls himself a patriot needs his head checked

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 05:06 PM | Link to this

exactly Matt- this is devisive politics. get us attacking each other so that nobody notices the devilish politician Ticks on both sides who are getting fat on our blood

wheres the love? haha!

By sct

October 28, 2005 05:19 PM | Link to this

Republicans have been screaming out for all things moral the last 8 years.

Returning dignity to the White house and family values turned out just to be an empty marketing scheme.

And now that you have been “caught with your pants down” on these issues you expect this facade not to be exposed and discussed?

I guess it was Jesus who said “Thou shalt torture your enemy”?

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 05:19 PM | Link to this

43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 05:29 PM | Link to this

im going to take a cue from Jesus here folks- I’m sorry if i said anything mean to anybody There are no sides here, were all americans and we really all want the same things and maybe we disagree on how to get there but the politicians want us to think we can get somewhere without comprimise. We Cant. i respect all of your ideas even if i disagree- if we approach the issues this way we might actually get somewhere- what would happen if millions of americans reached some sort of consensus and marched on washington?

By Dusty

October 28, 2005 05:52 PM | Link to this

Good grief, a sermon from True Conservative and it isn’t even Sunday. Yes, Jesus said all that and he meant it. But have you forgotten he also protected the rights of ordinary people,i.e. he ran the cheaters out of the temple when they were selling their wares there and cheating. Right out in the street he ran them. Later he cast evil spirits from a young man into a bunch of pigs. He also said, “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesers.” I put this together as allegiance to government, protection of peoples’ rights, removal of evil and still pray and try to love even those that are not lovable. That is a hard path to follow. Our country gives us the freedom to decide on our own way in religion.

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this

So if a President doesn’t do anything but chase skirts he’s not responsible for Khobar Towers deaths, USS Cole deaths, or 9/11 deaths?

Ar Dubya: How is it that you believe Bill Clinton should be held responsible for these events? I’m eager to hear your reply to the “9/11” attacks. I mean afterall, it was Dubya who ignored intelligence reports stating a possible terrorist attack on American Soil.

You can add another simpleton response, but you haven’t answered a single question I have posed, and I doubt you can answer this one.

Just keep beating that tired old drum Ar Dubya, your president is a joke and embarrassment and you appear to be right in line with that.

You wouldn;t happen to be one those yahoos who has a Georgia “Save the Environment/Look at Me, I’m a Patriot” licsense plates on her Hummer are ya?

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 06:12 PM | Link to this

I’d be willing to bet that Cheney just wants to protect Americans, even the ones too silly to see it.

BWAAA HAAAA HAAAA HAAAA!

You slay me Andy!!!

You are CA-RAZEE, man!!!

WOOOO-Hooooooo!!! That is FU-KNEEEEEEEEEEE!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

By TrueConservative

October 28, 2005 06:16 PM | Link to this

I respect your religious views and your pollitical ones as well

make no mistake about it I am as angry about what is going on in our country and the world as you are…probably more so. what I am saying is that we must learn to respect the views of those far removed from ourselves or this culture war will only escilate. many people in this room have been fooled by the devisive politics in our country- taught to think that they can stamp out opposition and have it all their way- this is not democracy. only by a free and open discussion may we achieve a compremise. the blood sucking ticks in washington (democrat and republican) dont want this for as long as we fight one another they shall feast on our blood. many ‘conservatives’ would call me ‘liberal’ -these people do not know what either of these terms really mean -these are labels intended to divide us

in truth ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ are the same thing I only wish for us to peacibly discuss ideas instead of striking one another- only by taking this step can we take back our homeland

By RW-(the original)

October 28, 2005 06:30 PM | Link to this

DFW,

Pardon me for thinking questions like Is this America? or When are you going to wake up? were rhetorical.

If you don’t think passing up multiple opportunities to kill or capture Bin Laden, including the Sudanese government offering to arrest and turn him over to the CIA, doesn’t mean Clinton shares the blame for 9/11 you’re too myopic to bother with.

I was keeping my hummer running 24/7 to warm the globe because you liberals were complaining about the high cost of heating your homes.

You’re a very hard group to please!

By crumpldfendr

October 28, 2005 08:51 PM | Link to this

I do believe that if we held other countries by the standard for invasion int Iraq, we should have invaded about 1/3rd of the third world countries. Most African nations, N. Korea, most of the Arabian countries, a couple of S. American despots, and some Pacific island countries all have tyranical rulers w/ delusions of grandeur and dreams of country bashing or world domination. And I still ask, “where is Bin Laden?” I realize that some people hold tight onto their beliefs and will never change, but I do wish they would read/listen to other view points: listen to NPR and Fox news, BBC International and the AJC, et. al. If you see just one side of the picture, you may be missing the masterpiece behind the cheap covering.

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 09:26 PM | Link to this

Hey Ar Dubya:

The next time you have a thought…

…let it go.

By Teresa

October 28, 2005 09:30 PM | Link to this

Dusty and RW: I understand you striking out. You’ve both been deeply hurt today, but please rest assured that time heals all wounds. I know you must find it extremely difficult to be in the wrong all the time, but you know, you have it a heck of a lot better than poor Scooter, after all, he’s looking at maybe 30 years in the big house. No more tears now, and hold those chins up.

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 09:35 PM | Link to this

Dave, what do you consider torture?

Consult the Geneva Convention

I’m sorry dude, torture in any form is not only a crime, it is un-Christian, and completely un-American.

How deep is your hatred for America anyway?

By Brannon

October 28, 2005 09:35 PM | Link to this

You must be really cutting your critics deeply - judging by their desperate blogs and vents.

Gee, I admire you for taking the time to letter in each VICTIM’S name!

By Dave From Woodstock

October 28, 2005 09:55 PM | Link to this

So Dave all republicans are neocons? Just like we were all called facists earlier right

Did I say that?

No, as a matter of fact there are many repubs who are not neocons.

George H.W. Bush = Republican George W. Bush = Neocon

Barry Goldwater = Republican Ron Reagan = Neocon

John McCain = Republican Pete Santorum = Neocon

Ya see, I don’t hate Republicans, although they are kinda stuffy, like they have a stick up their butt. But neocons are an altogether different breed. Part Republican, part Facsist - they believe in small government, but spend like Democrats, they believe in big military, but know nothing about managing it, they believe in limiting rights, but talk and talk about freedom.

If you ask me, a neocon is a horses a*.

By DragonLady

October 29, 2005 06:17 PM | Link to this

Sometimes he’s acid, Sometimes he’s honey, But Luckovich is always THE MAN for my money.

By Ken

October 29, 2005 07:58 PM | Link to this

I was wondering that if Cheney believes torture is so necessary to get needed information, can we start with Libby and Rove?

By hmmmm?

October 29, 2005 08:34 PM | Link to this

By TrueConservative

October 30, 2005 12:22 PM | Link to this

heres some advice for both sides

‘Liberals’- that comes from the latin word ‘Liberalus’ as in ‘liberty’ I.E. ‘Freedom’ wanna call yourself a liberal- respect peoples right to have a differing opinion from yours. Do you oppose war? Stop waging it on your countrymen. Oppose politicians who keep coming up with more ‘rules’ to limit us

‘Conservatives’ CONSERVE SOMETHING! conserve civil rights, the environment ANYTHING!. but dont support people who are pouring Mercury in the water, poisoning the kids and call that “family values” dont just execute every criminal (only to find out later many are innocent) or support whatever Oil War comes next and call that ‘Christian’

there are strong points on both sides and there is corruption as well- dont just look at the other side and say ‘its his fault! he’s responsible for our problems.’ WORK TOGETHER TO FIX IT! I’m against Bush sacrificing American Soldiers for oil while Bin Laden runs free. But Im also against Clinton bombing Kosovo without putting it before the people. Isnt that neat how I can look at both sides!

By RW-(the original)

October 30, 2005 12:52 PM | Link to this

True conservative,

Would you find it equally virtuous that I think the Iraq war is a vital piece of any long term Middle East peace strategy and that I think going into Kosovo and Bosnia without involving the UN or putting it before the people was one of the few things President Clinton did that I agreed with?

As for this parsing of the root of various words, my grandmother used to get up in the morning and tell us how gay she felt. The meaning of words does get hijacked.

By TrueConservative

October 30, 2005 01:58 PM | Link to this

I respect that opinion but I believe that hunting down Bin Laden should have been a higher priority than Iraq- I think that going into Iraq instead says alot about the presedent’s true motivations. I agree that something needed to be done about Saddam but I also believe that If the president had presented a plan to liberate the cruel dictatorships (plural)of the middle east and got the people behind this instead of terrifying the people into submission (and effectively becoming a terrorist himself)then not only would he have the support of the nation but the world as well and if they taught the soldiers to say “hello” in arabic we might have actually been greeted as liberators- but Bin Laden should have come first

most of the poor disperates of these nations are starving but we didnt come in with pallots of food- we brought shock and awe- are you really suprised about an insergency? my primary beef with Bush is that he consistantly treats the poor this way- like cannon fodder

take more and more from the poor so you can give to the ritch- that way some kid who cant afford the rent on his delapidated trailor wont hesitate to go die for you because his family is starving and get extremists to follow by envoking Hate and Judgement and call that ‘Christian’- nothing could be further from the teachings of Jesus

As for Kosovo and Bosnia there are many positive alternatives to blowing people up- it is because we have been so quick to strike that we have a reputaion as Conquerers instead of Liberators if we dropped food instead of bombs for the past 20 years our place in the world would not be in jeapardy- but war is more profitable than peace and thats what it really boils down to-

By Dave From Woodstock

October 31, 2005 05:54 PM | Link to this

True conservative:

You’re very right, I can’t argue with you at all.

I believe the media plays a huge role in polarizing the people, it sells.

We have hostile media pundits on the right attacking every move liberals make or say.

There are also equally, albeit less hostile, pundits on the left, stirring the coals as well.

America needs a voice of moderation, yours is a great start.

By anne

November 2, 2005 03:40 PM | Link to this

Pretending anyone likes to torture or the idea of torture tells us more about the cartoonist than his subject. I believe Mike prefers Sadam to Cheney…given a choice. He likes a real torturer more than a man who wants to defeat said torturer. Mike is a phony. He uses his talent to destroy the very people who strive to keep us safe and a strong nation in the face of real..not cartoon..enemies. I would always vote for Cheney over a liberal because Cheney would give his life to fight for his country and any liberal would sell us out and weaken our military. Mike is a liberal and cannot be trusted to put the best interest of our country ahead of his socialist agenda.

By A

November 3, 2005 11:23 AM | Link to this

FOXwatcher: spoken just like Barbara Bush at the Astrodome. I hate how people think that going to prison is some kind of vacation. As a freedom loving dittohead, you think that having your freedom taken away is a good thing just because they feed you prison food gruel everyday?