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By Bobb

October 18, 2005 08:30 AM | Link to this

This time I agree, compared to your usual work, the Times stinks worse.

By gttim

October 18, 2005 08:40 AM | Link to this

The times does stink ever since it sold its soul to the Bush Administration. Judy Miller lied and covered for Rove, Libby and Cheney and damaged a great newspaper beyond repair. It was not the 1st Amendment she was hiding behind, it was the 5th.

By Josh

October 18, 2005 09:29 AM | Link to this

Why can’t liberals understand simple concepts? Liberal ideas have been failing for a little over 80 years now. This is not just an American phenomenon. Look around the world. You could also just look around America. Which places are the most prosperous? Which have the most opportunity and are the most conducive to growth? Perhaps you liberals need to realize that it is you who are stuck using the same worn out arguments. The only stands you ever take are against freedom, liberty, and individualism, but you are too short-sighted to see it.

By elizabeth reed

October 18, 2005 09:59 AM | Link to this

Powerful cartoon, but justified.

By The72John

October 18, 2005 10:04 AM | Link to this

Funny…I thought it was conservatives with their Patriot Acts and “Defense” of Marriage Acts and fundamentalist Supreme Court judge appointees who were taking stands against liberty and freedom and individuality. Silly me.

Mike, nice work as usual.

By Mara

October 18, 2005 10:04 AM | Link to this

Josh, you’re an idiot if you think that the Republican party is the party of freedom, liberty and individualism. Exhibit #1 - The Patriot Act. They can not only sneak into your house, wire-tap your phones and computers, and gain access to your health and financial records without a court-order…they don’t even have to tell you about it until they feel like it. They can arrest you without cause and hold you incommunicado indefinitly without benefit of council nor an instrument to contest their allegations. There’s your “freedom”…Republican style. Exhibit #2 - mass arrests, “protest zones” and the “Do Not Fly” list - protest being one of the very most basic liberties is once again under attack from Republicans. What use a protest if those being protested are protected from even the merest glimpse of the protesters? What liberty is being protected when Republican administrations order the mass detentions of protest groups (and unsuspecting bystanders too), ultimately releasing them without charges?
And what about your so-called individulism? Aren’t all Americans supposed to be in this together? Why are Republicans so content to let old people subsist on cat food, or little babies go un-immunized? What is to recommend the idividualist who’d rather see people lose their homes, their jobs, and their health before that individualist grudgingly gives them a hand? The problem with conservatives is that they measure success by how much they have. How much money, how big of a house, how big an SUV…mine, mine, mine is their mantra…me, me, me is their only concern. Republicans don’t value individualism, they value greed.

By Josh

October 18, 2005 10:48 AM | Link to this

I never said anything about Republicans vs. Democrats. I was looking at the ideologies of liberals vs. conservatives. There is a huge difference. I do have some problems with the Patriot Act and was disgusted with the Defense of Marriage Ammendment. As for your other complaints, the only reason anyone has to subsist on cat food is that liberal policies have failed to address the needs of the American people. Some people have become so dependent on the government that they have no other way. If, instead, the government did more to push people toward opportunity instead of creating a wasteful welfare state, we would all be better off. THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT SOLVE PROBLEMS!!! Look at Europe and their failed welfare states. Germany has an unemployment rate of 11%, and it has the biggest economy in the EU. America has 300 million people. We can’t even do as well as the European countries. We are too big.

You don’t give people opportunity by punishing others. In fact, by punishing the evil rich, you are taking away from the people who have the means to give others opportunity. If you take away my right to buy a big, expensive SUV, you have taken away money that would be spent manufacturing that SUV. Would you like to go tell the people involved in the production that you did it for their own good? The same goes with a big home. The bigger the home, the more money I will spend building it; therefore, more people will be employed building my home. Perhaps those people should not have the right to make this money. Maybe since that money came from an evil conservative, their kids should not be allowed to eat dinner?

The problem is that you see the poor as a class of people that exist because they don’t have money. I see the poor as a group of individuals who, for one reason or another, have not realized the opportunity available in this country.

By Daniel

October 18, 2005 11:11 AM | Link to this

Ms. Miller was instrumental in the bogus run up to the Iraq War. Anyone who believes anything this government says about this war is stupid. Do you hear me? Stupid.

By The72John

October 18, 2005 11:32 AM | Link to this

Yup, that’s right. It’s the poor’s fault that they’re poor. Darn them, they should have to starve ‘cause they’re so danged lazy. Why, if they worked hard they could have a good job and make as much money as I do. Let’s forget the fact that I’ve got an MBA and came from an educated middle class family…they should be able to succeed just like I have.

I say starve ‘em ALL out. If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

By Thump

October 18, 2005 12:28 PM | Link to this

I admit it’s a little bit lame for a cartoonist with a “Big Name”: But has someone done one with the horrible pun: “It’s not time to be playing the “Plame Game !” ” ???

By Bud

October 18, 2005 12:38 PM | Link to this

Hey the72john, If one poor person can pull themselves out of the welfare state, they all can. It’s a matter of choices and decisions. There are plenty of opportunties for poor. The fact is they’d rather have a hand out than an education. In my mind, I’d rather teach the poor to fish than to give them a fish.

By Dusty

October 18, 2005 12:38 PM | Link to this

Well, Mike finally did a cartoon without the usual elf-eared president. This seemed to bother some liberals. Mike actually zeroed in on Judith (I forget who told me what I wrote in my notebook) Miller. THe New York Times and the newspaper world are the ones upset about Miller. She doesn’t check her “facts”. Then another liberal says we are starving the poor and neglecting babies. Have he not heard that we (the government) are spending eleven million dollars per day to house Katrina (mostly poor) evacuees in hotels. That the poor are the ones qualified for Medicaid, the state-federal program that helps cover the health care costs of the poor and uninsured? That most hospitals have programs for the poor, such as Grady Hospital in Atlanta? That no emergency room can refuse treatment? That there are facilities for the homeless and food pantries and free food in almost every city? To keep up that old song & dance about starving and neglect is pure propaganda, all meant to make our government look bad.

By Bobby Lea

October 18, 2005 01:10 PM | Link to this

“Look bad”? We don’t look bad, we look incompetent to the rest of the world and rightly so. Our leaders suck and our two party system sucks. We preach multi-party democracy to the rest of the world and practice an ineffective two party, lobby driven swap fest.

Dubya is not an elf, he’s a stupid little man under the guise of a soon to be indicted turd blossom, that’s why he’s got the ears. Every cartoonist draws ‘em because they demonstrate what a jack-off our president is and his hypocritical bunch of neo-con, fire and brimstone nut jobs. I think it also shares roots with Alfred P. Neuman’s - “What me, WORRY?” - campaign on the covers of Mad magazine. What a perfect image!

It’s pathetic and disturbing to watch us in decline because we did this to ourselves. Instead of competing with the rest of the world we’re just tearing ourselves up from the inside and falling behind in reason, technology and science while we debate “intelligent design”.

Judith Miller definitely represents a rotten fish wrap. Welcome to the America of serving one’s interests first before any semblance of the truth. Wasn’t she duped by the Bush Administration about Iraq? Couldn’t she have avoided jail because she had permission from the Scooter? No, gotta get that career going, wouldn’t want to miss out on an opportunity to be the martyr and boost celebrity cache to raise one’s profile.

We should all worry about the poor because a lot of us will be poor if we continue down this road of total idiocy and destruction.

By Ron

October 18, 2005 01:25 PM | Link to this

What was the subject, again? Mike you need to pull the plug on this blog, it seems as though the republicans has put up there usual smoke screen and has diverted this blog into their own personal vendetta. Answer the question, people, and stop preaching, it all humor, learn to laugh at sometime. Mike asked for ideals, not what do you think of Mike the man, but Mike the cartoonist.

By Young

October 18, 2005 01:42 PM | Link to this

I have a question for the conservatives. Why aren’t you all angry that we didn’t attack Saudi Arabia? After all, the people that hijacked the planes and flew them into the World Trade Center were Saudi. That’s like my neighbor sleeping with my wife, and me going and fight my other neighbor who did nothing but ogle my wife. Why aren’t you upset that Osama Bin Laden, who laughed and mocked the United States and all but didn’t wipe his behind with an American flag, hasn’t been captured? What happened to the dart boards with Osama’s picture on them? My, my, my how fickle we are as Americans.

By Martin

October 18, 2005 01:56 PM | Link to this

Hey Young, great analogy. Come on conservatives, tell us. Where is the outrage against the Saudis and Osama? Don’t be shy now.

By Dusty

October 18, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this

Mike, so many mad neocons on here. You’ve really hit a nerve. Don’t stop, you’re magnificent!

By Dusty

October 18, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

The subject is Judith Miller as drawn by Luckovich. She is just another little yellow fish like Jason Blair and others who don’t check their facts or make them up as they go. But the question has arisen: Where is Osama? Well, he is not HERE and that is worth remembering. After the earthquakes in Pakistan, he’s probably under a pile of rocks. And we ARE irritated with Saudi Arabia. That is one reason they are hunting terrorists. That and some of their own citizens were also being killed. Of course, they still have some. So does Indonesia, Phillipines, Egypt, Syria and many other places. Oh, have you noticed that Saddam is on trial, that the Iraqis have voted for a constitution and the first steps are being taken towards a fair government. Thought you might have missed it.

Joe, don’t use my name to tell those big lies.

By Young

October 18, 2005 03:09 PM | Link to this

But Dusty, he is still at LARGE! You mean to tell me with all of the intelligence that we have, one of the strongest armies in the world, and the last Superpower, that we can’t catch one man? And you talk about the media making a mockery out of our effort. Having Osama out gloating that he got one over on the US is doing more to undermine our effort than the media could ever do. And then, on top of that, we aren’t even hunting for him. Can you imagine how happy that must make him feel? Can you imagine all of the boasting that he is doing with his comrades? If he can get away with it, somebody else will try. They are just waiting for the dust to settle, and for the Americans to settle back to their daily routines. It’s like a game we played in middle school called Open Chest. You hit the guy hard in the chest when he is not expecting it. For a few hours and days, he will walk around with his chest covered. He may try to get you back, but you will be ready. After a few days, he will grow tired, and you hit him again in the chest just as hard. Do you see the analogy? The guy is under a false pretense that he is secure and safe.

By Lawrence

October 18, 2005 03:28 PM | Link to this

At large: Osama bin Laden; Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan, who harbored bin Laden as he plotted the destruction of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon; Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden’s top lieutenant; the anthrax terrorist who paralyzed Washington in 2001; Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the man responsible for beheadings in Iraq. The failure to capture so many of the people responsible for attacks on Americans has to be considered a disappointment. As years have passed, with few reports of progress in the inquiries involving bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, Mullah Omar, and the anthrax killer, high-ranking officials largely have stopped talking about them. And the public, from talk-radio shouters to the most devout Internet (or Internets, as Bush says) conspiracy theorists, has been strangely quiet as well. By the way, Dusty, how do you know bin Laden is not here?

By Dusty

October 18, 2005 03:42 PM | Link to this

Yes, dear Young, but Osama is still not HERE. And unless you are one of Osama’s close confidants or in the CIA, you don’t have the faintest notion what he is thinking, planning or what we are doing in the mountains of Afghanistan. In the meantime, why don’t you tell me why Osama is letting alZewaqi send all the messages to alJezerra. I understand your school yard analogy perfectly. But we are not waiting to be hit in the chest again. We are working on security as quickly as possible in a big country. And we are fighting in Iraq which also keeps terrorists busy. I know. You don’t approve of the war, right along with Cindy Sheehan. Well, talk is cheap and free in this country. The cost is in the morale of those fighting to keep terrorists at bay.

By Dusty

October 18, 2005 03:51 PM | Link to this

Lawrence, you are right. Osama might be here and so might Santa Claus. In fact, I think Osama might be posting under my name since this imposter has such great admiration for liberals in general and Luckovich specifically. Cheers!

By Lawrence

October 18, 2005 05:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty, it’s obvious that you cannot accept facts. You live in a fantasy world, and when faced with facts you strike out against them, using foolishness. I don’t waste my time on the likes of you.

By Lawrence

October 18, 2005 06:10 PM | Link to this

I’m an idiot!

By mark

October 18, 2005 06:18 PM | Link to this

Miller passed on Bush Administration propaganda to the TIMES and deluded it into leading the parade agaist Iraq and she’s still emloyed there? Did the TIMES ever apologize on the front page?

By Dusty

October 18, 2005 06:23 PM | Link to this

Goodbye, Lawrence, don’t waste your time here. My facts are just as pertinent as yours. They just don’t fit your liberal preference. As to foolishness,now that is Luckovich. I get bored at times with people who constantly try to twist every event into a condemnation of our president and our country. By the way, are you Santa Claus?

By Andy

October 18, 2005 07:10 PM | Link to this

This Rove/ Libby witch hunt is starting to look like another of many left wing “Flame” outs. The libs stuck with Judith Miller all of last year hoping that she would toss out a big fat lie to help them nail Bush. Now that it looks like she’s not going to play along and since the liberals have nowhere else to direct their rage, they have begun to eat Judith. They can’t win at the polls so they are trying to destroy their way back to power. What a great strategy.

By NeoConsMustEnlist2

October 19, 2005 12:15 AM | Link to this

Hey neocons, your propaganda jocks being drumming all this BS into you? You seem to be incapable of thinking for yourselves. Talking about polls, have you actually seen any lately? Aside from the propaganda that Rush/Hannity/Goebbels/Fox dish out on a daily basis. You are addicted to that garbage. It’s just right wing porn.

By Dusty

October 19, 2005 07:45 AM | Link to this

Mike, I love your work. Please keep it up. You show it like it is about this crooked administration and their cult following. Keep ‘em squirming!

By Dusty

October 19, 2005 08:17 AM | Link to this

Joe, you sweet little Eveready pink bunny rabbit, you just keep going and going and posting under my name. Could I send you some carrots? How about your kindergarten classmates?

By Dusty

October 19, 2005 02:03 PM | Link to this

Mike, I love your work so much. You really are the most talented cartoonist ever. I hope to see your cartoons for many years to come.

 

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