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Chuck, you should have finished reading whatever article you cut-and-pasted from. I’m guessing that you didn’t bother to finish it, else you would know that the Roman Mithras is not the same as the Persian Mithras. Here…I cut-n-pasted for you: It is tempting to identify the Roman Mithras with the Persian Mithra, except that there is no known Persian legend or text about Mithra killing a bull or being associated with other animals. On the other hand, there is a story of Ahriman, the evil god in popular developments of Zoroastrianism, killing a bull. A possible link between Persia and Rome, which could be the stage for these changes, may be the kingdoms of Parthia and Pontus in Asia Minor. Several of their kings were called Mithradates, meaning “given by Mithra”, starting with Mithradates I of Parthia (died 138 BC). It would seem that, in those kingdoms, Mithra was a god whose power lent luster even to a king. And it was at Pergamum, in the 2nd century BC, that Greek sculptors started to produce bas-relief imagery of Mithra Taurocthonos, “Mithra the bull-slayer.” (for those interested, here’s the address http://www.crystalinks.com/mithraism.html) So if sculptures existed that dated from 200 years before Christ…Chuck? Chuck? I’m done wasting time on Chuck. I’d like to note that despite his implications, I never made any judgement regarding the veracity of Mithrasism. IMO it is just as suspect a belief system as Christianity.
Put the Mexicans in charge of our ports. They are already in charge of our borders.
We’re all Bushed.
Wasn’t Mithra that big moth that toe up Tokyo and Godzilla came to the rescue? LOL
Yup, the “soft on security” Democrats. Hillary Clinton, specifically. With the help of the NJ Senator.
I wonder if Karl Rove will be able to spin that as ‘those evil Democrats expect our ports to pay better wages for port security, it will make the prices of your cheap walmart goods go up’ or something like that. LOL
According to my sources mithra and christianity were very similar. “Mithraism arose in the Mediterranean world at exactly the same time as did Christianity, and thus the study of the cult holds the promise of shedding vital light on the cultural dynamics that led to the rise of Christianity
The few texts that do refer to the cult come not from Mithraic devotees themselves, but rather from outsiders such as early Church fathers, who mentioned Mithraism in order to attack it, and Platonic philosophers, who attempted to find support in Mithraic symbolism for their own philosophical ideas.”
David Ulansey “Solving the Mithraic Mysteries” Biblical Archaeology Review (vol. 20, #5 [September/October 1994] pp. 40-53)
Here is coastal Georgia four weeks from last Friday will be the St. Patrick’s Day parade. All the Irish will be out worshipping their god, Johnny Barleycorn, by getting disgustingly drunk in the streets, while the other large religious group here, the Baptists, will be sipping their iced tea behind their lace curtains, tsk, tsking at the awful display of Catholic incivility. Religion is pretty important here — whether it is with beer, whiskey, or iced tea. We have five churches on every corner and hypocrites and pharisees and scribes everywhere.
You yokels up in Atlanta have never seen anything like it. The biggest St. Paddy’s day parade outside New York. Even bigger than Boston and Chicago, those other big Irish cities.
Maybe you thought the pope lived in Rome. Let me tell you, he just got off the boat from Cork.
In I Claudius there is a wonderful scene where Livia tells Augustus that he will be made a god in Palmyra. As a Roman he is appalled but she tells him it is ok for Palmyra — a god-forsaken eastern region (near Palestine, actually). That says it all. All this god-man crap is fine for superstitious semites but not for real men.
PBS recently had a thing on the new very old Mayan ruins MURAL found. Mayans have a story similiar to the Gabriel/Lucifer thrown out of heaven story. But then their main god ended up being the Jaguar, that which can best KILL YOU is that which should be worshipped.
Not sure I will see the movie The DaVinci Code, saw a preview for it for the first time this weekend. I read the book, so.
I liked the Last Temptation, it another example of a big boycott/hoopla by people who had not seen it.
Well Chilao, at least the British are closely tied to us via treaties, alliances, mutual defense pacts, not to mention culture, language, and history.
The UAE was not just a “base of operations” for the 9/11 hijackers, they also facilitated the distribution of funding for several terrorist organizations. They have been a major conduit for the sale and transfer of prohibited nuclear technology to anti-American states. These kind of government sanctioned activities are not reassuring.
And guess who’s gonna introduce a bill to bar companies that are owned or controlled by foreign governments from getting control over the operations of our ports? Yup, the “soft on security” Democrats. Hillary Clinton, specifically. With the help of the NJ Senator.
Boscoe, how will you celebrate the DaVinci movie? Since you are a papist I know you will take a drink. Were you a Baptist you would have to drown your sorrow in iced tea; I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even you.
Ecrasons l’infame.
lozen - good things = god did it.
bad things = devil did it.(god busy elsewhere or even better, it must have been something you did that allowed god to be too busy elsewhere)
makes it real real simple, you see. LOL
win/win for all.
Every story about yeshua is found in some other religion as well. Virgin birth was nothing new. Gods impregnating women here on earth - told over and over. Pharoahs, Roman leaders, Greek leaders - the sons of gods. Gods having to die for the sins of men - common story. It goes on and on. Archetypes - look it up Randy.
Ye Christers had better head for the catacombs. The DaVinci Code movie will be out in a few weeks.
There is a wonderful scene towards the end of The Last Temptation of Christ where Jesus is having his diabolically inspired dream about being married and all that, Saul of Tarsus appears to him and tells him to go away because Saul/Paul has already figured out his shtick about saving mankind in the blood of Christ. The real Jesus could only get in the way.
that’s right, Saul of Tarsas or whatever it was, was not one of the original 12 disciples.
Mara, ah Georgie Porgie Jr. Ain’t he great? He can do no wrong! Van, I believe it is a life lesson, that when bad things happen, don’t blame God, and when good things happen, thanks Him. When good things happen, you thank god. When bad things happen you let him off the hook! If you are going to thank him for the good, shouldn’t you also thank him for the bad? I mean he’s just testing you and if you pass the test you’ll have eternal life! Why are some christians so afraid to die if they truly believe they’re going to a better world?
Mara, amazing that you came up with such a MYTH about Mithras. Tradition about his birth holds that:
Often he is depicted springing from the living rock or from a tree; at Housesteads on Hadrian’s Wall, however, there was a tradition that he was born from the Cosmic Egg. This sculpture shows Mithras bursting from the Egg whilst holding in his upraised hands the Sword of Truth and Torch of Light.
No virgin birth there.
The so-called 12 disciples were actually a dog, a snake and a scorpion, and twin Torchbearers. The number 12 that you spoke of actually referred to the signs of the zodiac NOT disciples.
Almost all of the mentions of this religion are achaeological. While it is noted that Mithras killed the bull, there is NO evidence that it happened over a 40 day period.
Also, in Mithras the adherent would go through 7 levels, much more like Hinduism/Budhism than Christianity, which makes sense since it originated in India.
The ideas ascribed to Mithraism by Mara came about much later than Christianity as a result of melding the 2 religions together that took place primarily because of the resistence of Roman soldiers who saw Mithras as a sort of patron for them.
We could also question why port security was even outsourced to a British company to begin with. And saying that some of the 9/11 hijackers used the UAE for a base of operations is kinda misleading, since they used the good ole USA as a ‘base of operations’ as well.
I am very surprised this administration is giving it a green flag. One would THINK those kind of security things should be USA controlled, by US citizens.
But a news item I heard related to this whole port thing, we really need to be as concerned about the neighborhoods alot of containers are loaded in, overseas, most some very rough neighborhoods.
*so the Jewish historians editted him out of the picture? and we are surprised, why? LOL
I would think we could agree it was these twelve men who created Christianity, especially the Saul/Paul guy.*
Josephous was not exactly a model Jew out to protect them by editing out Jesus. He made a suicide pact with the other generals in the Jewish army, but after the others had gone through with it, he changed his mind and joined up with Romans.
Also, Saul/Paul was not one of the 12. He came along later and never actually met Jesus. If someone made this type of claim today, we would laugh at them and them suggest they be committed. Have humans changed that much in 2000 years?
Okay, okay back for a moment to the topic of outraged Muslims…. I just saw four of the cartoons they are upset about and I see why they’re upset. There’s one cartoon of the prophet with a bomb in his turban. How would you christers feel if someone did a cartoon of yeshua with a bomb in his hair because SOME christers shot up an abortion clinic? You can see these cartoons at http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/
