State lawmakers are looking into making it legal for people with firearms-carry licenses to take their guns into even more places in Georgia.
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The move comes on the heels of House Bill 89, which became law on July 1 and lets people with firearms licenses to carry guns into state parks, restaurants that serve alcohol and on mass transit.
Lawmakers could next push legislation allowing license holders to take their guns to church, or even onto college campuses.
"I personally feel there are a lot of restrictions that should not be there," said Senate Majority Whip Mitch Seabaugh (R-Sharpsburg), chairman of a Senate committee that began studying the state's gun laws Tuesday.
"People who get these [carry] permits are extremely law-abiding citizens," Seabaugh said. "Those who have no regard for the law are carrying guns anyway."
Seabaugh's committee met the day after a federal judge rejected a motion to allow those with carry licenses to take firearms into non-secure areas of Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.
City officials have declared the airport a gun-free zone. That led to the lawsuit by gun-rights group GeorgiaCarry.org and state Rep. Timothy Bearden (R-Villa Rica), sponsor of House Bill 89.
The lawsuit is moving forward. U.S. District Court Judge Marvin Shoob's ruling only addressed whether those with permits could carry guns into the airport while the lawsuit makes its way through court.
Seabaugh said state firearms laws are confusing, especially parts banning guns in or near public gatherings.
GeorgiaCarry.org President Ed Stone and Bearden spoke before the committee, made up of five senators, all of whom supported House Bill 89. The front row of the meeting room was filled with men wearing orange and black buttons that read "Guns save lives."
Alice Johnson of Georgians for Gun Safety said the meeting lacked objectivity.
"We don't disagree there should be some comprehensive changes," she said after the meeting, "but what we saw was only one side having the chance to express themselves.
"Firearms on college campuses and schools, those are some very serious issues."
Stone told the committee "there is no reason for disarming an adult attending educational facilities."
Bearden sponsored a bill this year, which didn't gain traction in the House, that would have allowed people to carry guns onto college campuses. Last year, discussion of allowing guns on campuses was stalled by the Virginia Tech shootings, which occurred during the 2007 session.
Committee member Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock), said after the meeting that he supported allowing permitted guns on campuses but recognized lawmakers may face a constitutional roadblock.
Georgia's public universities are independently governed by the Board of Regents. Because that independence is built into the Georgia Constitution, the General Assembly may not be able to easily force a change on campuses.
University System lobbyists attended the committee meeting. University System spokesman John Millsaps later said the Regents support the current ban.
Guns in churches may be an easier change for legislators to make.
Coweta County Sheriff Mike Yeager told the committee that permit-holders generally aren't lawbreakers.
"We don't have the problems from the people who take the time to get the [carry] license," he said. "Those are the ones we don't worry about too much."
But Johnson, the gun safety advocate, questioned how police officers would know the difference if faced with someone carrying a weapon.
"The idea that somehow law enforcement can make a distinction between someone who is intending to commit harm and someone who is intending to defend other people, that's a false distinction," she said. "That's not something law enforcement can figure out on the front end."
— Staff writer Andrea Jones contributed to this article.
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By doesn't need a gun to feel safeI
Oct 15, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
I really wonder at the Rambo fantasies of people who think they need to carry guns everywhere. I mean, my God, to church? HOw paranoid can you get?
As for the Marine veteran who wrote all those nasty comments about people like me who don't like the idea of everyone going around armed just for the heck of it, I honor your service. But your tone scares me, and the idea that you're running around with a gun is truly frightening. I think you might need counseling-- perhaps the VA could help.
Statistics show a gun in your home is more likely to hurt a family member than to be used foiling any crime. My guess is that carried weapons have similar limitations.
Look at the murder rate in the UK, compared to the US. NOt even close--people are much safer there. And there, not even their cops need to carry guns.
As for those with carry permits, any group has its nuts. And studies have shown that this group isn't as elite as other comments suggest; there are plenty of flaws in the system.
By Sam
Oct 14, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
Concealed Weapons permitees are the most law-abiding group of citizens in the state. Most years, more police officers lose their law enforcement credential, than CCWs are revoked.
By L. Thomas
Oct 8, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this
I am an african american and I believe that fear is what keeps this debate going with americans because we should have the right to bare arms for protection from the criminal eliments of our society. But most are concerned about the people of color black,hispanic,indians and even orientals becomming ligit in carring a gun. Well I guess I would to if everywhere in history of dealing with people of other colors other than white I have taken advantage of used,pimped,swindled and justified it in the name of God! So until we admit that our president is a modern time gangsta/hitler what can we do. We should all carry guns with the way that this country is,come on now. We as a country that takes pride in being a democracy and God based society is going to have to pay one day for the crap that we have done. The towers are just the begining of our punishment for allowing wrong for the sake of profit of the few. I am in the state of mind to be trained and ready because the bible does say what has been done in the dark shall come to light. We can't say ("Forgive us Lord for we know not what we do!")can we. Yes Lord we do know and we don't care. So yes people of this country you had better learn how to handle a gun and protect your self. I do vote for the right to carry a legal licensed fire arm for everyone of this country.
By Gregory Romeu
Aug 15, 2008 1:42 AM | Link to this
I am a United States Marine. I took an oath to defend the United States Constitution and ALL within from enemies both foreign AND DOMESTIC. I served on active duty from 1975 through 1979. I am a current member of the Marine Corps League. I am still under oath to do the same.
I am licensed to carry concealed. THAT alone is a simple word that many do not understand. I go where I want in this country. I do whatever it is that I want or need to do. It is none of your business what is "concealed" about my person. I may or may not be carrying. THAT is MY choice, not yours, nor is it any of your business.
If YOU have problems with me carrying a weapon, that YOU have the problem. Not me. If YOU are in fear of others that carry concealed weapons, then it is YOU that should stay home, hidden under your bed because YOU have serious issues within yourself that YOU need to come to grips with. No matter HOW you choose to handle YOUR issues, that is none of my business and I would thank you to keep YOUR issues OUT OF MY LIFE! THAT is an infringement on MY RIGHTS and MY FREEDOMS.
Aside from that, untill the dumb-masses get their thoughts together on whether or not they want to be "protected", they should ALL just stay at home and deal with THEIR issues until they are mature enough to join the rest of us in society.
Until then, should any of you happen to stray away from home and become the target of some violent predator that wishes to do you harm, please make some sort of motion, noise or signal that you might wish for me and my firearm to intervene into your cisrumstance to help save your life. OR, if you are THAT hung-up on me carrying my gun. I might offer you another solution of letting you use my cell phone to dial 911 and explain to some emergency dispatcher what is happening to you as I stand by and watch.
"What's it gonna be... PUNK!"
By Effex
Aug 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
There seems to be many views that are based out of ignorance. Each person that has to make it through the concealed carry process has been extensively vetted. They have to also have reached a certain age (not sure what it is in your state). This fact alone may preclude most students that many have reservations regarding their maturity.
Regarding churches, dust off your Bible and read it. When they children of Israel were rebuilding their walls and "church", they did it with a trowel in one hand, and a weapon in the other. Jesus stated that if one didn't have a (sword) weapon, to sell your cloak (the most important piece of clothing) and buy one. The man that walked into the church in Colorado had killed 2 other people at one location. He then continued on the the church where he killed a 16 year old, her 18 year old sister, and wounded their father - all in the parking lot. He then went inside the church building, and reports state that he had over 1,000 rounds in his backpack. It was there that an armed citizen confronted him and shot him before he could get to the church sanctuary where hundreds of people were.
What do you think he was going to do with 1,000 rounds of ammunition?
What would have happened if a woman with a gun had not stopped him?
Our church welcomes those who have been trained to state requirements for concealed carry. We then have training by a security firm that specializes in working with churches and synagogues, and responding in crowded invironments. Training is for restraint, less than lethal Tazers, and if neccessary, handguns. But it is not advertised and not seen by any members or visitors.
We are called to be "wise as serpents, but gentle as doves".
In response to "don't our Representatives have anything better to do?". Usually they end up "talking about" things that their constituents are talking to them about. Concerns that people have.
Get educated about it and think about it.
By JeffKnox
Aug 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Stop using the word Allow!
This debate is not about "allowing" people to carry guns in churches or campuses, it is about ending government restrictions on the practice. It is not the advocates of the right to be able to defend ourselves who need to prove why we should be "allowed" to exercise our rights. It is those who wish to deny us our rights who must justify doing so.
Look how many times the word "allow" or "let" is used in this story. It displays a bias. Rights are not "allowed," they are either recognized or infringed. Would this newspaper print a story about the government "allowing" religious freedom or "allowing" freedom of the press?
Blanket bans on firearms in churches, schools, or anywhere else, infringe on individual rights and such infringements should only be allowed for the most compelling and justifiable reasons.
Gun bans don't work. Virginia Tech was a "Gun Free Zone." If it hadn't been, there might have been someone to stop the murderer. If Colorado banned guns in churches what would have happened at New Life Center? One armed church member saved possibly hundreds of lives.
The debate will continue, but let's couch it in proper terms; it's not about allowing guns, it's about restricting rights.
Jeff Knox
www.FirearmsCoalition.org
By twinkie1cat
Aug 14, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this
Just reading the headline I knew this guy had to be a Republican. From Villa Rica. That is Paulding close to Polk County. In 2004 they were just getting used to integration. There was a community down there called York or Yorkville which was supposed to be a KKK hot bed. Polk County High had a rebel soldier as their mascot. Paulding County High School had trucks with "Fergit Hell" bumper stickers and rebel flags and they were not strict about guns in gunracks in the pickups.
Ok, here is what is going to happen. Kids will amble into Polk and Paulding high schools with their hunting rifles, thanks to the good Republican gentleman.
Its an election year, yall. It is time to turn the tide. Our country is descending into anarchy because they are so afraid of having an African-American in the White House. Turn around America. Get rid of the Republicans.
By BillM
Aug 13, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this
To the person who considers college students to immature to carry on campus. I suppose the fact that they are mature enough to be expected to carry a weapon and defend your freedom is somehow a different maturity? Please...
By Larry
Aug 13, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this
I think most here commenting are missing the point. They are talking your rights away from you with any ban. Either you have a right or you don't.
By Mr_Conservative
Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
TSA has no legal authority to ban firearms outside the secure areas of the airport, not matter what Atlanta claims. This issue will surely be revisited in a more neutral venue. Gun grabbers STILL do not get it. In some 40 carry states, violent crime is down overall. Not up, as predicted. The sky was not falling. Really. Atlanta and various probate judges around the state are misreading the law and doing citizens of Georgia a disservice. It is the substitution of judgment for the Georgia code and U.S. Constitution that is the bad guy in this saga. It is the same liberal firearm angst that lead to the unconstitutional disarming of the residents of Washington, D.C. for over 30 years and counting. Same with Chicago, NYC, and San Francisco. It is my conviction that there are at least 3 enemies of our republic we should be concerned with for the immediate: Criminals who would do us and our families harm, Terrorists who, in particular, would come to our own soil as in 9/11, and politicians and groups that would effectively disarm law-abiding Americans. One could effectively argue that the latter is by far the most dangerous to our republic.
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