Snellville.Talk

By Dalene

July 9, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Imagine…… you have invited family and friends over for a backyard bar-b-que, when you all notice that a “Van” has arrived at the “house” next door, only to deliver a body for cremation. Not something that I want to see nor have my children nor grandchildren witness.

While I understand the need for having such a facility, I don’t understand how it could be located within a neighborhood where the lot size is less than ½ acre, it’s driveway off a residential street and directly across the street from a major bus stop.
Not only is my concern for the children’s well being from witnessing the unloading of dead human bodies and the emissions that this type of facility will omit, I am also concerned about the property value of my daughter, son-in-law and grandson’s home. If this business was there prior to the homes being built that would have been their choice. I mean let’s face it, would you KNOWINGLY purchase a home that has a crematorium located within 50 yards of your front door?
In addition, this is a location that I pass daily driving to work and home each day. There are also 2 schools that are located less than ½ mile from this location.

Does the city of Snellville have no regard for its residents, and only want the revenue that ANY type of business will bring in.

By Kym

July 9, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

I am completely speechless and extremely disappointed! I can NOT believe the City of Snellville would approve this business to be built so close to residents.. much less directly across the street form a major school bus stop for school age children to witness these “deposits”.
How do you explain to a 5 year old what is going on at the “house on the corner”. Why so many bags that look like bodies are being dropped off. Where is the discretion that just about ALL other crematories express? How many other crematories will you drive past when you are able to see the furnace in plain site! Pu-Lease! I have friends in this area and I drive past this “house” everyday to get to and from work. I do not believe this is the best site for this business. Please reconsider the operation of this business at this particular site. If anything for the sake of the young children in this area.

By Paul

July 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

I feel for the people in this neighborhood and just cannot image anything worse to have opened on the corner entrance of this family neighborhood; an Adult Entertainment establishment maybe, nope probably have zoning for that… maybe a slaughter house, that would be fun for the kids too! How about nuclear waste… nope zoning again, oil refinery… nope, darn zoning.

Imagine what the realtor listing would look like for a house going for sale in the Abington Park neighborhood or the gated neighborhood across 78; “Neighborhood boasts its own Crematorium; no, not a playground but a Crematorium-great fun for the kids!” I guarantee the value of houses in this neighborhood just went to NOTHING! Might as well classify the whole thing as commercial and level it now. Maybe Snellville will reassess this neighborhood and give everyone a break on taxes since their value went in the toilet. I’m sure Mr. Nuzum and the City of Snellville may argue that this will not affect the values, but ask yourself if you would buy a house in that neighborhood. Might as well add a toxic waste dump…. Awe you can’t because of zoning!

Hey there are a few schools nearby maybe Mr. Nuzum will offer the schools to take the kids for a tour so the community will be more educated on what they do so we will all be more open to his operation.

Mr. Nuzum says he wants to be a good neighbor, good neighbors do NOT build Crematories in other neighbors backyards. He obviously had no concern for his neighbors or the community when he purchased this property for this use. With all the Commercial/Industrial areas available that are not part of a neighborhood this is the best he could find or was it just the best price. Take a look at the tax records, he got a pretty good deal for commercial property!

“Snellville Councilman Robert Jenkins said the city of Snellville cannot restrict a use if the zoning allows it. If it does, the city can be taken to court.” I bet if this was in the Councilman’s neighborhood or maybe the Mayors, the city would magically have an issue with this. I personally do not live in Snellville so I am not personally affected but what if it was on the corner of my neighborhood or your neighborhood. People of Snellville, I hope you all unite for this and make sure that not only this neighborhood doesn’t get destroyed but others don’t as well.

By Tricia S

July 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

I’d love to have such nice quiet neighbors! I bet you won’t hear a peep out of them.

By Shhhh

July 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Well Tricia, if you would love to have these neighbors, you can buy my house.

By FinanceBuzz

July 9, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Wow. I gotta admit I don’t know what to think about this one. Rationally, I can see that this is not a very intrusive use of the property so long as there is property screening. There should be no odors, fumes, or smoke if the technology works as Mr. Nuzum says (and I suspect that it does). However, at the same time I definitely see how living near a crematorium could be a tad bit ghoulish. Also, I think Dalene and Kym have valids points about kids being exposed to this and how you explain to them what goes on there. You know that even if parents try to shield them, as older neighborhood kids figure it out, the pranks and scary “ghost” stories will start up and get to the younger kids.

However, here is the rub in this situation. Mr. Nuzum is following the law. He has apparently done what he has supposed to do to operate his business. He has invested $250,000 in renovating this house for the operation. Even if the city could stop him, who is going to be responsible for that large sum of money? You cannot expect Mr. Nuzum to just swallow it because he has not violated any ordinances. As far as I am concerned Snellville should be on the hook for $25,000 if the Chick-fil-a curb cut is never able to be used. Just how much money does Snellville have to throw around?

I gotta admit, this is one of the trickiest land use questions I have ever come across.

By Crematori Amos

July 10, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

You can bet somebody in the city government is getting a fat payoff in allowing this crematorium to be placed in a family neighborhood setting! Whatever happened to courtesy and decency in America? It’s all about greed now.

By Robert Smokestack

July 10, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Wanna see what smoke from a crematorium REALLY looks like? Watch this video of black smoke pouring out of the chimney of an Ashville, North Carolina crematory!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8FUAkkN_Qs

By Robert Smokestack

July 10, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Go to YouTube and search for Ashville Cremation Services. You’ll see a video of what smoke from a crematory REALLY looks like!

By WhoCares

July 10, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Just another “Not in my Backyard” situation caused by a bunch of inept city politicians. If you live along 78 in Snellville you have bigger problems than a crematorium. Have your chuldren never seen the grave yards and Funeral Homes that are along 78 now. How do you explain what goes on there? Would you feel better if it were another pawn shop, used car lot or perhaps even one of those evil establishments that serves alcohol?

What about all the bodies that will be delivered in plain view? Is the guy going to have a drive thru out at the curb where you can pull up, order combo number one, dump Grandma on a conveyor belt and drive off?

I bet Emmett Clower is behind the whole thing.

By BobG

July 10, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Too flippin’ bad.

The guy has an honest business that is legitimate use of the zoned property and these crybabies are upset because of their psychological discomfort with what goes on there.

By WhoCares

July 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

I wonder which one will smell better? The Crematory or the Dickey’s barbecue?

By Biker Chick

July 10, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

I cannot imagine any crematorium unloading bodies in plain view of passersby. The man has offered to erect a fence around the place and add screening landscaping. He has also put in expensive filtering systems to ensure that there is no smoke emitted from the chimney.

Environmental regulations are very strict about air emissions and you can probably go down to the EPD offices in Atlanta and pull the file on this establishment and review the data on what will be emitted from the chimney.

As far as what you tell your children, I seriously doubt that a five-year-old is going to even notice this place as anything out of the ordinary. Bottom line is that death is a part of life. Bodies are either cremated or buried but they have to go somewhere. Cremation is less expensive to the family, doesn’t use valuable real estate which has to be maintained in perpetuity, etc. There will be no services here, no crowds, no extra traffic and no noise. I could understand if this was a nightclub or adult store, etc., but there is nothing that is going to go on at this place that is a threat to the neighborhood or the neighbors.

By JSC

July 10, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Mr. Nuzum is an IDIOT. He has to know that NO ONE wants a crematorium in their backyard or next door to their house.

This is absolutely disgusting. And no, I don’t live in Snellville, so I don’t have a vested interest in this issue. Other than the fact that it’s just wrong on Nuzum’s part.

By TC

July 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

This is a legimitate business being run by reasonable people.

Keep in mind, they have expressed a willingness to put in fencing and landscaping that could disguise the deliveries.

Live and let live.

By Jim

July 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

I operate a crematory and smoke never appears when the crematory is operated by competent, certified cremationists.
Bodies are carefully removed from the transporting vehicle inside an enclosed “garage” after the door has been closed. Obviously, some of these responses are coming from uninformed individuals.

By renee

July 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Mr. Nuzum is not an idiot, he is a smart business man that did his research. The city of Snellville is the real responsible party here. They are the ones that have allowed this crematorium to be placed literally in people’s backyards. While it is easy to blame the owner, one must really look closer at the situation here. I find it very interesting that the Chick-fil-a was denied opening an entrance to their business off a residential street after construction was complete and the business paid approximately $40,000 and this was approved by whom? Mr. Jason Thompson acting planning director for the City of Snellville…was it the Mr. Thompson that approved without checking with other council members as to whether or not a permit should be granted to such a type of business at this particular location? Don’t you think that a public hearing would have been in order here at the VERY least let the council discus it? The Mayor was quoted as saying “Who would have figured they would put a crematorium at a location like that, right on a major highway,” Mr. Mayor, you are totally missing the point here. The fact that it is located “right on a major highway” is not the point of major interest… The point is that it is literally in people’s backyards, and remember we are not talking about houses that are on even 1 acre of land, we are talking less than ½ acre. Mr. Nuzum has offered to do more landscaping, perhaps put up a privacy fence, oh that will remove it from the backyard, if you are working with the “out of sight, out of mind” mentality. And when did Mr. Nuzum talk to the neighbors regarding this? After they noticed the “chimney” protruding from the roof and came over to inquire about it? Everything that I am seeing regarding fumes or smoke is “according to Mr. Nuzum”. Did the city do any checking into this or go on face value? Is Mr. Nuzum planning on removing the teeth with mercury amalgam fillings, so as to limit the amount of mercury that is omitted into the air? Or is he going to find that “disgusting”? What about the reports that show that there is as 4% higher risk of stillbirth and 5% risk of life threatening brain abnormality, anencephalus, among babies whose mother lived near to a crematoria? Did the city think to check into this? I am not “grossed out” at the thought of cremation, being buried in a box or buried at sea. This body is just that, a body.
I feel for the people that live in this neighborhood. I wonder if a realtor would consider it important to disclose to a potential buyer that there is a crematory in the neighborhood. I read that this neighborhood is about 30 years old, but even if the residences have only lived there for one year, they were not given a chance to voice their concerns. I do not live in Snellville, but am concerned about the lack of concern that they have for the residence of their city.

By Kayne

July 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

It could be worse, like having one of those Chinese restaurants stinking up the neighborhood.

By Dawn

July 10, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Jim, have you seen this garage and the furnace inside it? There is not enough room to back or pull a van into the garage. How big is your facility/ or gararge for that matter?? The business is operating out of a modified house that is no larger that about 1500 sf. There is NO decency of this type business. Yes, death is inevitable, but it does not have to be advertised on the street corner.

By Jimmy

July 10, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Hey Susan, how about sending your “old” Rose Hill Seafood buddy an e-mail and let me know how you are doing. You seem to be more into the “blog” business these days. Letters to the AJC Gwinnett News are now answered by Carla or so it seems. In my writings, I still have a noted posted with the alpha characters HWSW; ie, How Would Susan Write. This was a very good piece and if I were a citizen over in Snellville, there would have to be some answers forthcoming from the approving authority or authorities for this fiasco. Still think Ezell’s is better.

By Jimmy

July 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Renee (renee), your comments were well thought out and written. I take it that you live in proximity to the crematory. If so, in my opinion, you have a good case for litigation. The attorney that I would recommend is Larry E. Stewart, Esq. at 770-822-1099. Mr. Stewart will give you a free consultation and tell you up front whether or not you have a case for litigation.

By Snellville Bill

July 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

This gives a whole new meaning to the civic slogan: Snellville—Where everyBODY is someBODY!

By Libby

July 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

The City of Snellville built at $8 million new courthouse and the entire top floor is used to store Christmas ornaments! The City can purchase back this piece of property and sell it as residential..I guarantee you that the neighbors will be smelling smoke from buring bodies!

By Frank

July 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

New crematoriums do not release any smoke or noxious fumes. Bodies are never unloaded outside; always within the garages of the facility. The people who live there will never even know it is happening. I’ve seen these crematoriums up north and they are right in the middle of city neighborhoods where there is no land at all, let alone a 1/2 acre site. No one complains, they are good neighbors. Now if they start storing bodies in and around the property like that yahoo upstate a few years back , that’s different. If they sue, he should just sell the property cheap to the local Georgia chapter of Hells’ Angels.

By James

July 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Oh grow up; it’s not an adult bookstore or brothel! Surely they can configure the unloading zone so it will be out of view of the public. For goodness sake, they’re dead and make no noise and they assure no emissions other than a little bit of heat. It could be worse…a lot worse! Get over it! This is capitalism in America!

By Sullivan

July 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Why are these people making such a big deal about this? Why is there so much concern about what do you tell the children? This is no different than having a cemetary next door, or even a funeral home. People have lived next door to cemetaries and funeral homes for years. What are they afraid is going to happen to these children if they witness bodies being taken into the crematorium?

By Sullivan

July 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Why are these people making such a big deal about this? Why is there so much concern about what do you tell the children? This is no different than having a cemetary next door, or even a funeral home. People have lived next door to cemetaries and funeral homes for years. What are they afraid is going to happen to these children if they witness bodies being taken into the crematorium?

By Sullivan

July 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Why are these people making such a big deal about this? Why is there so much concern about what do you tell the children? This is no different than having a cemetary next door, or even a funeral home. People have lived next door to cemetaries and funeral homes for years. What are they afraid is going to happen to these children if they witness bodies being taken into the crematorium?

By Sullivan

July 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Why are these people making such a big deal about this? Why is there so much concern about what do you tell the children? This is no different than having a cemetary next door, or even a funeral home. People have lived next door to cemetaries and funeral homes for years. What are they afraid is going to happen to these children if they witness bodies being taken into the crematorium?

By Get Real

July 10, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Republicans complaining about the free market system. I love it! Anyone think zombies will come out of that building like Thriller, lol. Get over it, he has the right to be there.

By Kayne

July 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Snellville Bill, “Snellville—Where everyBODY is someBODY!” ? Almost, but you left out, and anyBODY can drift with the breeze onto your property. Can’t wait till somebody turns on their windshield wipers on a foggy morning and ole Uncle Ned mud runs off the glass. lol Hmm, by the smell, ole Uncle Ned must have had BBQ for his last meal.

By Kayne

July 10, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Hey Dalene, there’s a Hispanic brothel in your neighborhood already. Have you complained about that! How about all the unlicensed drivers in and out of your subdiv 24/7 ?

By KIM

July 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

To all who laud the business rights of the good business owners, you are right. HOWEVER, this is not just a business. It is something that is disturbing to some, perhaps many, people in our society. It would serve the Crematory Society of the South to consider being really good neighbors and abandon the use of the property since it is not conducive to being neighborly. There are many pieces of property in Snellville where the crematory can be unobtrusive and operated.OR there are many pieces of property along 78 that could be used. This is where a business owner truly shows what he/she is made of.

By Karen

July 10, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

My Dad died in South Carolina last year. He wanted to be cremated, but hadn’t made any specific plans, so I had to find a place to do it. I ended up at a crematorium that was located in a place much like the proposed site in Snellville - it was on a highway but it backed up to a neighborhood. I don’t think anyone would have known what it was if they hadn’t seen the (small) sign on the front. It was certainly less noticeable than a funeral home or cemetery. No bodies being unloaded, no smoke, no smell. The people there were very nice, and I was grateful to have a nice, clean, safe place to go, where I was treated kindly, at a difficult time in my life.

By Itisme

July 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Matters not whether it releases fumes or not … and as far as what to tell children, that is an individual’s concern and everybody’s feelings in that regard should be respected. Mr. Nuzum doesn’t care about those around him and those less than a person who blogs their “who cares” e-mails have no feelings either. While some folks don’t have a problem with it . . it is usually those who don’t have it in their backyards. James . . poor soul . . it isn’t the dead the folks are upset about … it is what happens to them after their dead. Who would have thought Snellville City would sink so low!!! And for that blogger who had the negative remark about Clower . . nothing this stupid ever happened when he was mayor. Just when you think things can’t get any worse in Snellville it does.

By News Flash

July 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Good grief - we ALL are going to DIE someday. Disposal of the human remains is not abnormal - it’s part of LIFE. Cemetaries are becoming a thing of the past, as our society becomes more transient and land becomes more scarce. When is the last time you have seen a “new” cemetary?

Can ANYBODY in Snellville get along? Uou have the Mayor vs. Council, “Concerned Citzens” vs. ChickFilA, now the Living vs. Dead. Snellville is THE official laughing stock of metro Atlanta!

By C.M. Thornton, III

July 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Thats so freakin’ funny. Rich people get so bent out of shape over the smallest things…

Oh, and you tell your children the truth. People die, deal with it. Granny’s gone to heaven (we hope)…

By BobG

July 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

No, nobody in Snellville can get along.

I make a career of insuring so.

By Joy

July 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

This is so not nice. I live in Snellville and I often wonder why are they so many funeral homes and cemeteries on Highway 78, now they are going to further compound it with a crematorium. The funeral homes business in gaining momentum in the USA. Are people finding it less expensive to die than to live? Just a thought. Disgusting.

By Kayne

July 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Laughing stock? Not funny, if you have driven thru Snellville in the last year and not been carjacked? Snellville is THE new south Dekalb!

By Dianne

July 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

I don’t know if it helps to know this or not, but we also have a funeral home in Buford which houses a crematorium. You would never know it unless you noticed the ‘chimney’. There’s no smell, no smoke. And, as someone mentioned above, bodies are delivered via hearse or funeral van and driven into a garage, they then immediately close the doors. In all the time it’s been living here, I’ve NEVER witnessed a ‘delivery’. You never know anything is actually going on inside as there is no gathering for a wake/funeral as there is a funeral home.

Unfortunately, death is part of life, and one we need to explain to our children. A crematorium is new to me too, but more and more people are opting this choice over burial. It is someting we will have to get accustomed to…just as when I lived next door to a cemetery as a small girl. We knew it was a precious place because it held the bodies of people who had been dearly loved, then died.

Again, I know this is a difficult situation for all involved, just hope my little input helps with some answers.

By Ever4ward

July 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

This is the funniest thing I’ve read on here in months! People are so afraid of death, so scared of it, that they don’t want any kind of reminder any where near them. Well, folks…you’re going to die one of these days so lighten up. Teach your children about death and dying so they won’t be so overly sensitive to it and they may even learn something about living!

By Dianne

July 10, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Ever4ward, I have to agree with your post, thought I doubt I could have been so straighforward :)

As a child, we were taken to funerals and showed our love & respect to the bereaved and learned that death is a ‘given’ and not part of a horror movie….you WILL die one day.

A friend sheltered her children and did not take them to anyone’s funeral, not even their grandparent’s. Then, the horrible happened….their parent died. Here they were, in their late teens & early twenties, having to make those last decisons and they had an extremely difficult time.

We have to teach our children early to accept death as part of life, and yes, there are more of us, so there is a greater need for funeral homes, cemeteries and crematoriums. We don’t just dissolve and float away.

By Ole Smokey

July 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

Who would have ever thought that this would be such a hot issue? I guess the dreams of these homeowners making a killing on the sales of their homes have gone up in smoke.

C’mon! Are you all really that ignorant? What’s next? No black cats? No glass mirrors? No unattended ladders? If I were the owner of the creamatory; I’d be the one who is embarassed.

This isn’t as grave a situation as you make it out to be.

By PiedmontPark

July 10, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

I am constantly amazed and the sheer number of people who wish to dictate to another person what that other person can and cannot do with his property. News flash, it is his property and he pays the taxes on it.

By AfraidOfYourOwnShadow

July 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Maybe they can just chuck the corpses in the woods like the guy (and his Evil Mother) in Walker County. Then there will be no problem with smoke at all.

By Loving It

July 10, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

I plan on driving through the neighborhood when the crematory is in full operation to watch the horror on the faces of the local residents as they see all of the black smoke billowing out of the flue. AND THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT! I love it.

By KIM

July 10, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

Some of you miss the point. This is NOT about being afraid to die. It is not about fueds in Snellville. It is about a family’s nice home environment, one where they have lived for over 30 years being disturbed by a business that is NOT pleasant…no matter how you view death, dying or any other part of the circle of life. This is about changing a home. Some of you are mighty pious. I wonder how you will feel when one moves next door to you? How will you feel if a different religion decides to move into your neighborhood—next door to you? This is about a homeowner being victimized by good business owners (no one has suggested otherwise), nice people, honest people who have not had to endure what they are going to impose on the family in Snellville. The business can go elsewhere on 78. The Abington Park subdivision is relatively unique in that it has two entrances off 78. But it is a long standing subdivision with fine families who have contributed much to the development of Snellville. And many are orginial owners who have not viewed Snellville as anything except home. They have not chosen to abandon the city when their neighbors are not necessary “just like them”. They have not smuggly made disparaging remarks about the city…as some writers to this blog do. They are good people, rational people, intelligent people—just like the owners of the crematorium. But, this situation hurts deeply. It is spoiling home. CAn you imagine how that must feel?

By Stuck in Snellville

July 10, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

Too all you hip bloggers, with your “wise” or “funny” comments. Would you like to buy my house??? Probably not. It makes all the difference, in the world, when it is not in your back yard.

By Snellvillestinks

July 10, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

I used to live in Abington Park and have moved on. I have many dear family and friends still there. It still has a lot of great 35+ year residents. How dare Snellville approve this in these people’s backyards. This house sold for a song and the dishonest leaders lined their pockets from this cut rate crematorium entrepreneur. Oh, yes, their cremations are 1/2 the price of a funeral home. So they will be cremating 24/7 and advertising. He is on a 1/4 acre lot backing up to people’s backyards. How would you like to have a cookout? How would you like to have your property devalued even more in a bad market. Snellville has sunk to a new all time low with their Micky Mouse administration. The crime rate is soaring and the quality of life keeps sinking. I pray that every City Governement official is voted out as soon as possible. There has got to be somebody with some morals and good sense to regulate and cut back on all the illegal aliens and criminal activity in this town.

By JSC

July 10, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter how “clean” the crematorium is, the point IS that it should NOT be in a residential neighborhood - PERIOD.

There are plenty of other sites in this county available for sale for this type of business.

By looknsee

July 10, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

Has anyone got a good look at Abington Park lately. I doubt that anyone will even notice that this crematory is even there. And for all the people who wish to complain about thier local Government, try to get more involved, instead of being a back seat driver.

By Phil

July 10, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Call me a Waaaaaahhhhhhmbulance! This “house” is on 78. Deal.

By Ryan

July 10, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this

What part of “the zoning laws allow the crematory to be there” don’t you people understand. You want the city to stop them? Did you miss the part about being taken to court if that were to happen? This is a great example of being a day late and a dollar short.

By Gah

July 10, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

I watched the video of smoke from a crematorium…what about using pollution ordinances to get rid of them? If that was going on daily in MY backyard, there would be hell to pay.

By Ole Smokey

July 10, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

**This is the funniest story EVER!

Would anyone else in this world left with any sense of irony care to join me for a cup of coffee while the rest of these nit-wits who celebrate Halloween, decorate their houses for it, go to Halloween paries, get drunk, dress up as dead people, and then drive home, then complain about a creamatory being close to their houses, ponder everything that’s been said here? OH, MY GOD!!! WHAT WILL WE TELL THE CHILDREN???

This level of ignorance is almost overwhelming; even to me! Maybe the creamatory should offer discounts to thier families for having lowered their standards enough to bring their loved one to such a self-rightous location.

Hey! maybe they’ll mail YOU coupons! “Creamate one idiot, get the second one for half price!”

I’d much rather have a creamatory for a neighbor, than anyone this stupid.

By Snellvillestinks

July 11, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this

All you creative people who think this is on 78. Their main entrance is on Abington Drive, where the bodies will be delivered. Their parking lot is on Abington Drive. This is a residential street. As for taking a look at Abington Park. There are still some very well off decent senior citizens in this neighborhood who don’t care for the transient renters and lack of code enforcement yet again from the wonderful City government. They sure can tax and spend and then totally ignore the citizens. Although it seems they didn’t allow a driveway to the Chick Fil A . For whoever suggests you get involved. Been there done that, yet again this group running the show now in Snellville doesn’t care. We would have never had anything like this when Emmett Clower was mayor. He would listen and actually cared about the safety of the people in Snellville. We didn’t have the crime back then. Ole Smokey, wherever you live I do hope you get a crematory in your backyard. Everybody needs one. Not just the good decent senior citizens in Abington Park.

By Harland

July 11, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this

Living adjacent to this crematory is totally going to ruin the resale value of these homes. There are some things too unsettling to put next to residential communities, such as places of cremation and Ole Smokey’s wife.

By Stenholm

July 11, 2008 2:04 AM | Link to this

Ole Smokey, your puns are lamer than your poorly put together arguments. Go back to Loganville, you crematory hack. Not.Funny.At.All.

By ChungLiGirl

July 11, 2008 2:11 AM | Link to this

So who else here thinks that Ole Smokey is overcompensating for something? My guess is fleshy ManBoobs.

By EverybodyzSomebodyz

July 11, 2008 2:19 AM | Link to this

LOLz…ya I’m guessing he has a short smokestack. Go S’ville neighbors, take the city to court. I think they’re gonna owe you like…oh…I dunno…all 30 years of your city taxes back

By Slam

July 11, 2008 2:38 AM | Link to this

Its a bummer. Lesson learned and they will fix the zoning for future businesses of this type. I do feel for the home owners, as we can all appreciate the thought of even more lost value in our homes.

But I doubt it will be as bad as they think. And please stop with the “what will we tell the children”. Its about $$$$. Be honest.

By Katie

July 11, 2008 5:51 AM | Link to this

I’m sure it will smell like chicken!!!

yes, another ‘not in my backyard’ situation. It’s okay for it to be in someone elses backyard but not mine.

Everybody dies, even your children will die. Why not explain that to them and move on… dying is a part of life, period.

By KIM

July 11, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Dear OldSmokey, You may be right. It may be that many people would prefer to have a crematorium next door to them…than to have a mentality like yours next door. But, again, this is not about death, dying, nor is it about MONEY…it is not about resale values. The people of Abington Park are the salt of the earth. Their blood, sweat and energy have been part of what built Snellville. They are the ones who walked all the streets of Snellville to get donations to start the first library in Snellville; they are the ones who creatd the mecca that Gwinnett became for many developers and people from all over the state. For the family that will be most effected, I say I am sorry that this is how you are thanked for being solid citizens. This may be an example of being overlooked by callous others.

By Snellvillestinks

July 11, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Many of the seniors already have breathing problems, heart conditions, just to name a few. I hope City of Snellville will be responsible for all these people when they began to get sick from the pollution. I am very concerned for the health issues of the senior population in Abington Park, the air quality these good people are going to be forced to breath. I understand this crematory will be 1/2 the price of the reputable funeral homes, they will be very busy 24/7. Why is it Wages and Stewart funeral homes always build away from residential and have land around them? Mr. Nuzum needs to know that would be a good neighbor, not buying a bargain house in a subdivision and setting up shop. He seems to think cramming a crematory into a tiny house in the middle of a residential area is supposed to be acceptable. The last poster is right, it is all about $$$, Mr. Nuzum will make lots of it, while the Abington Park (Senior Citizens) subdivision can give their homes away, just as he got such a great deal on the one he put floors and carpet in. I really don’t know how Snellville government people can sleep at night.

By News Flash

July 11, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

For Pete’s sake people - STOP WHINING! What is it that this current group of Snellville homeowners does not comprehend? You DO NOT live in a historic district. Your “neighborhood” is located on US 78 - a MAJOR highway. Change happens! Your “neighborhood” should have seen these types of changes coming YEARS ago. You have no right to complain “not in my backyard” because you have sat on your butts for the past two or more decades and expected the world to revolve around you. Point blank, you should not have purchased a home so close to major roadway.

By Snellvillestinks

July 11, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

Dear News Flash: These people bought these homes 35+ years ago. They raised their families, paid for their homes and have retired in this subdivision. Snellville has no respect for their quality of life. These homes were not purchased yesterday. Maybe you would like for your parents to have a crematory in their backyard. Some of these people can’t afford to move. These are widows and retired people whose homes are paid for. I don’t know anybody that deserves their property and quality of life to be devalued to this extent.

By Snellvillestinks

July 11, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Please take a look at this video. This is what Snellville has signed up for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8FUAkkN_Qs

By Kayne

July 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

You are right Smellvillestinks! Its all about the money. Most things are if you haven’t noticed. Otherwise, you would not have a job.

By What?

July 11, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

There is a cermatory in Duluth on Highway 120 at Norman Circle. Norman Circle is residential. I lived there for 16 years and never even noticed or smelled anything out of the ordinary. The only entrance to it is on Norman Circle, but that was never a problem. You folks need to face reality and start living in the real world.

By Reality Check

July 11, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Snellvillestinks - No one, and I mean NO ONE who that lives in the same house for 35 YEARS should expect their surroundings to remain the same. Again, these homes have been neighbor to a major US highway for MANY years, in a suburb of THE largest metro area in the Southeastern United States.

Stop expecting the city, or ANY government, to look out for you - that is the first mistake these homeowners made. The other mistake was expecting NO CHANGE in their 35 years next to a major roadway.

Sorry - but it is just that simple! I understand it is a hard pill to swallow but you HAVE TO ACCEPT REALITY!

By Snellvillestinks

July 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Thank you Reality Check for your words of wisdom. These fine people have lived through many changes in the 35 years and not complained. Many have welcomed Snellville growth. But, yeah when your in your 80’s and in poor health and can’t afford to move. The last thing you expect is to have a stinking crematory crammed up next to you. The $250,000 this Nuzum guy spent isn’t a drop in the bucket as to the millions of dollars these homeowners will suffer from their property dropping in value or the health risks they will face. Thanks again Reality Check for your no nonsense, no common sense answers to the situation. I guess you could care less about your own parents or grandparents living environment. Yet, the subdivision is still residential last time I looked.

By Concerned citizen

July 11, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

click below for more information

http://mysnellvilleblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/crematory-next-door.html

By Reality Check

July 11, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Snellvillestinks - Guess again! Years ago I moved my parents out of their home of because the area was on the cusp of turning BAD. They never complained, but I saw what was going to happen with my own eyes. We sold their home and moved them into a new home. We (me & my siblings) helped them with the funds they needed to purchase the home, free and clear, so that they would have no mortgage on the new home. None of us, parents or sibilngs, are wealthy. We ARE smart and proactive and care for each other. We consistently moniter their wellbeing and if the situation arises again, so be it - we will do it again without complaint! So, Snellvillestinks, sorry to burst your bubble, I am not without compassion for my own!

There are those in life that GET IT - and there are those of you that don’t. Stop questioning why you always end up in these types of situations and take responsibility for yourself.

By Snellvillestinks

July 11, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Thanks again Reality Check for more words of wisdom. I actually lived in the neighborhood myself and got out several years ago. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get my parents and in-laws to move. They are just as smart as you are. But, loved their homes and neighbors and chose to try and stay. The world is such a wonderful place with intelligent people like you who GET IT. I can tell you do have ALL the answers. Have a great life and stop trying to punish good people still stuck in crematory village.

By Doyle

July 11, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

I, too, have lived in Abington Park for 25 years. Besides my own home, I have purchased 3 other homes in the neighborhood of which I still own 2.

Needless to say, I am concerned and disappointed with the crematory location at the east entrance to our subdivision.

Not long ago, a son-in-law, who lived closer to the crematory told me of the rumors he had heard. My response was “certainly the City Council” would not allow such.”

There in is the source of my disappointment. Tuesday I went to city hall to check it out with the city planner. I was informed the business owner is all legal. Nothing can be done now to prevent the business from opening according to him.

The cuprit is the Snellville City Council of 2.5 years ago. They rezoned the property for “professional and business office” usage. In the zoning 15 business types are listed as permissable on these locations. In the midst of these 15 are listed funeral homes and crematoria.

Thus the friendly neighborhood business is perfectly legal

We’ve been had by our own City Council that we have trusted, even voted for because we believed they were caretakers for the welfare of the property and home owners as well as the business people of the community.

It is strange, we can get a useless stop sign at a neighborhood intersection where a councilman lives, the corner of El Dorado and St. De Ville because a dog was hit there. It is strange, we cannot get a grocery store in the heart of the city. There is not grocery on Hwy 78 between Killian Hill and Rosebud Rd. It is strange an extremely large development on Westeria Drive was abruptly stopped after much site prep was done. It is strange that the city has bought property across Westeria on which to build a new police headquarters after not so many years ago moving police headquarters from off Hwy 78 to a back road well off the center of town. It is strange that the business center of the city was moved from Hwy 78 and 124 intersection to the north at Ronald Reagan and 124. It is strange a restaurant cannot get a licence for beer and wine sales with food. Yet, we can get a crematory fronting a neighborhood in a house designed originally as a residence.

Over the years, so many strange things have happened in Snellville, but through it all one thing has remained constant whether Emmett was in control or the succeeding generations of Snellville politicans; that constant is the fighting, bickering and name calling so much so that city leaders have become the laughing stock of the county. I suppose that says a lot about us as citizens, we continue to elect them.

So far we have had the wool pulled over our eyes.

By old timer

July 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Reality Check is either a City council person or maybe that was his/her parent’s old rundown house Mr. Nuzum bought for a song or maybe she is related to Nuzum.

By Reality Check

July 11, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Snellvillestinks: I feel real empathy for you, because you are the one that does not “get it”.

As for your quote: stop trying to punish good people still stuck in crematory village. I am not the one that you should focus your attention on and this is certainly not my fault. If you would have focused your attention all these years with the passion you appear to have in this blog, maybe you might not be in the mess you are in.

You lived in the same place for 35 years with blinders on while expecting your surroundings to remain the same. How arrogant and self centered can you be? The World does not revolve around your happiness and the existence of your pristine “neighborhood”.

Good luck - your going to need it!

By Snellvillestinks

July 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Reality Check go back to City Hall and get in bed with your buddies. Please no empathy is needed for me. If you would stop posting your condescending pious remarks, there really isn’t a focus on you. To think there is shows just how arrogant and self centered you are.
As for your remarks: You lived in the same place for 35 years with blinders on while expecting your surroundings to remain the same. How arrogant and self centered can you be? The World does not revolve around your happiness and the existence of your pristine “neighborhood”. You really don’t get it. Like I said stay in bed with your friends in City Hall. You obviously must be closely aligned with seeing Snellville become a complete ghetto. By the way, my family could afford to lose the total value of their homes and still be able to buy another. Is that really fair? By your standards, I guess it would be. As stated before, they chose to stay with family and friends in Snellville. This is America and we used to have some rights in this country. I haven’t ever seen anyone have to have a crematory in their backyard and breathe the fumes from it.

By Ole Smokey

July 11, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

**Look on the bright side, folks! At least you won’t have to pay for a lot of extra milage to be transported to the smoke house when you reach your expiration date. Sounds to me like they could just about install a conveyor belt from these “poor, unfortunate, downtrodden peoples” homes. Works for me! And, the sooner; the better.

By WhoCares

July 11, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Appears that all the games the City of Snellville has played with their zonings and city limits are coming home to roost. The residents are the ones suffering and you can bet all the city is worried about right now is how they are going to pay for the Chic-fil-A screw up. The property where this business is located is in an old house that was zoned commercial. Whose idea was that and where was the outcry from the residents of this subdivision when it happened?

By Fact vs Fear

July 11, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

I live in the subdivision and don’t have a problem at all with a crematorium on this minor side street that has always been a pain to get on/off 78 with (unless you’re heading east). What I haven’t seen or heard much is any comments/data from people who live/work in areas that have crematoriums in their backyard. There’s a crematorium right on the main drag of Stone Mountain Village. It’s not even on a main highway. Any complaints from the people who live/work in that area? What I’m seeing on the AJC blog and this one is a lot of complaints from people who are reacting to just the little article. Anyone think to do their own homework and see what the real impact is going to be? Or are we paying bloggers to do our own thinking for us these days?

By Jan FROM Snellville

July 12, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

What idiot is blaming Emmett Clower??? He is a photographer, for God’s Sake!!!!!

By Jan FROM Snellville

July 12, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

oh and as for Chic-fil-a (which I like very much) I remember WHEN they built it and that even then, that neihborhood did not want an entrance on their street, and as I understand it, the restaurant said, “OK”. Now YEARS later, they just up and cut a curb? I feel for them, but it’s kind of like - Call before you dig!!!

I am not far from the crematory location, and I swear, it is not that much to get so upset about NOW - but maybe I would IF I did live there, who knows, but Know this, I did NOT vote for the current mayor nor did I ever vote for Brett Harrell- I wish Emmett was still mayor - he is from Snellvile too and everything he did was always with the best interest for Snellville and it’s citizens - he was not perfect, but he Cared amd he Tried and I fear that it is only going to get worse. God Bless Snellville & God Bless Abington Park and Heaven Help Mr Nuzum, who sounds like a nice person to me—— Peace

By Bob

July 12, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Gotta love how an everyday occurence brings out the idiots in Snellville who pine for the gay old times under Emmett. Yep, that’s right.

By Olde Hickory Village Resident

July 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

There will be a City Council meeting this Monday, July 14, Snellville City Hall at 7:30 pm. Maybe it IS too late to change the damage already done by our trusted City Council - - but it’s NOT too late to express our shock, anger and disappointment with the people we trusted to make Snellville a better place. Voters don’t forget! Hope to see you all there on Monday.

By citizen

July 12, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Seems Alpharetta didn’t let Nuzum build, so onto Snellville, where it don’t matter.

Click for the story:

http://www.northfulton.com/Articles-i-2008-01-03-169122.112113Alpharettadelaysfuneralhome.html

By David Brown

July 12, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

All of these comments, and not one person has used their whole name. What is everyone afraid of? It becomes silly reading comments by people who use sobriquets. How immature and pusillanimous.

By citizen

July 13, 2008 12:02 AM | Link to this

As mentioned in the Alpharetta article. Did Snellville do a traffic study for this crematory? Must have, since they are installing yet another traffic light at Abington Drive in front of this house turned crematory and I noticed there is now a turn lane on Abington Drive. How much more traffic can Abington Park expect? City of Snellville sure went to great lengths to accomodate Mr. Nuzum and gave no regard whatsoever to surrounding neighborhoods. This is a densely populated area. Who would let something like this be zoned into such a small lot and small home? The garage where the bodies are supposed to be discreetly dropped off is where the furnace is. Are they going to unload in the driveway, right off Abington Drive or through the front door. There is a reason most respectable funeral homes are located on acreage, not crammed into a neighborhood. I would hate to think my loved one was on public display like that. What was the City of Snellville thinking to allow this? This was a very lucrative real estate deal, too.

By BobG

July 13, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Ther reason it’s all Emmett Clower’s fault so nobody can blame my pal Jerry Oberhitler.

By RV

July 13, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

David Brown: All of these comments, and not one person has used their whole name. What is everyone afraid of? It becomes silly reading comments by people who use sobriquets. How immature and pusillanimous.

There is more than one David Brown residing in Snellville, it is a very common name. Why don’t you just provide us with your address, phone number and email address if you want to be considered legit?

FYI: A Snellville resident using big fancy words impresses no one. Kind of an oxy moron if you will.

The crematory is a done deal. Face it folks, all politicians are deceptive. Snellville residents have been drinking the Kool-aid for too many years. You guzzled it down and fell asleep - just like your elected leaders knew you would!

By David Brown

July 13, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

“RV”, You are correct that David Brown is a very common name. I am the David Brown who currently serves on Snellville’s Board of Appeals.

And your real name is _?

By RV

July 13, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

And your real name is _? … RV

… and good luck with that appeal :)

By itisme

July 13, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

This isn’t about people being afraid of death. This is about people’s neighborhoods and what borders the neighborhood. What kind of impact they believe it might have on them. There are people who can’t just up and move because of various reasons… . could be financial… could be for health reasons. Everybody is not in the position to up and move.
I do believe the city leaders just as the county leaders have over the years failed with regard to development and zoning. Unfortunately, we can’t undo what has been done. I guess there will be a crematory on every corner just as there is a drug store, bank and service station. There is progress and then there is out of control!

No one wants a landfill next to them; they’re not “afraid” of the landfill in the literal sense. No one wants anything that they feel is inappropriate to their neighborhood.

By Edward

July 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

It is a FACT that dirty deals and favors regarding real estate and zoning are and always have been commonplace in ANY city government. There is no question that someone was paid off, either in favors or money. What’s happening to the residents of BOTH Abington Park and Old Hickory Village is simply horrible…..as if the current real estate collapse fwasn’t enough!

There is no question whatsoever that something is “wrong in Denmark”. Isn’t it interesting that Alpharetta refused Nuzum’s previous attempts. It’s also rather obvious that Nuzum made no effort whatsoever to let the to-be-affected RESIDENTS know his plans before construction began. You know the old saying that “Its easier to ask forgiveness that permission”. It may be too late now.

I’m not talking about a legal wrong here, but a MORAL wrong. Mr. Nuzum AND our wonderful city council knew EXACTLY what to expect from the residents.

By Biker Chick

July 14, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

This is ridiculous and it’s obviously a reaction to the type of business, because every single street leading into this neighborhood from Hwy 78, has a large, commercial business on it with entrances to their parking lots from the interior streets. This includes several shopping centers and office buildings.

The crematory property is already separated from the house behind it by a row of tall screening trees. The fact is that this property was already zoned commercial and was legally usable for this purpose. The man has a right do what he wants to with his property as long as he’s within the law. His business will not disrupt this neighborhood anymore than any of the other, much larger and much busier commercial businesses that are already operating next to this neighborhood.

By Concerned citizen

July 14, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

Biker Chick do you own this business? Your post seems to have the same verbiage as Reality Check. Are you one in the same? You obviously seem to have some vested interest in this. Maybe you will be fortunate enough to have a kangaroo city government allow a crematory to be put in your backyard.

By Ole Smokey

July 15, 2008 1:08 AM | Link to this

Why can’t you folks just warm up to the owner of the creamatorium? He’ll be the last person to let you down…

Zombies in Snellville? Say it ain’t so! I thought that was all that ever lived there from what I read in this blog. Get a life! And a new home, if you don’t like it. Leave Snellville, and raise the average I.Q. by 10%.

I can see it now: Everyone’s an Ash-hole in Snellville! You can go bobbing for cinders at the Snellville Days!

Look at it on the positive side: It contributes to global warming - another farce.

Freaks!

By old timer

July 15, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

Was the last poster at the $10 million dollar city hall palace last night? If you were, you would really have some better jokes. First of all, the mayor set forth his rules to the audience not once but on several occasions and threaten to arrest anyone out of order. He had several police officers standing by and then called in the Fire Marshall to make sure the palace could hold a couple hundred people. Fire Marshall didn’t run anybody off as mayor evidently was hoping for. He demanded on several occasions that he by addressed as Mayor when speaking to the council. But, then he never really answered anyone’s questions, at best he forwarded to the City Attorney or advised to contact the Secretary of State.

These tax paying (majority fine Snellville senior citizens) got to hear about yet another storm sewer tax increase because the city’s infrastructure is old and worn out. This administration inherited millions of dollars in the bank when they took office. Snellville has tripled in size (taxpayers), but they can’t balance the budget. There was talk of council members retreats? If they are on such a tight budget, why don’t they retreat in the palace there.

The mayor proceeded with his agenda and made a point to drag it out until 9:00 pm knowing full well all the news people would shut down their cameras at 9:00 pm. Some very intelligent senior citizens made very valid points of laws that have been broken.

Point was made that the area where the crematory is going in was starting to make a come back as far as new businesses along 78 (where there had previously shut down). Lady made a point that the furnace was on the other day for 8 hours and it makes noise and smells.

Alpharetta is a very clean nice town with growth. They found a way to avoid Nuzim having a crematory in a tight extremely high traffic area as per the above article. Whereas, Snellville seems to have made accomodations and welcomed this man. The mayor seems to be afraid the crematory man may sue the city. If I were him I would be more afraid of this crowd of pretty well to do senior citizens whose property value just went in the dumper. These people are conservative, have their homes paid for and many are millionaires. They are not trying to impress anybody, but they don’t like being thrown under the bus as the City of Snellville has done. There is something truely wrong with this picture. I don’t see this group going away any time soon. If last night is any indication. The mayor was asked to correct his mistake. Point was also made by mayor only option was to condemn the property. Well, that is an option, go for it. Lady asked about getting a variance and attorney rambled for a while and tried basically to discourage it. My thinking was, what have you got to lose? At this point the city has not been forthright or cared about the surrounding community. I think the variance was one of many good ideas suggested last night. Mayor said the property was bought in Dec. 2007 and received a developer permit. Strange that it slide right through all the channels with no problems.

There is still a fine group of people living in Abington and the new Hickory subdivision across the street as was seen at the meeting last night.

It seems very small of the last poster to refer to this extremely large group of tax paying citizens, primarily senior citizens as freaks.

By Biker Chick

July 15, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this

Nope, I wasn’t at the meeting but I did read the article posted concerning the facility that was denied in Alpharetta. One key distinction is that the facility in Alpharetta was to be a FUNERAL HOME, not a crematory. A funeral home, by definition, generates considerable traffic during a funeral, viewing, wake, etc. A crematory which does not hold services for the deceased, would not generate that type of traffic.

Second point, where was the outrage and interest when this property was initially re-zoned to O&I? If crematory was an allowable use of an O&I property, it seems that if someone in the neighborhood had taken advantage of the notice given to the neighborhood both in signage and on the county website, and had appeared at the public meeting at that time to oppose this, you could have asked the council to approve the re-zoning, but with the condition that a crematory not be allowed. Obviously, the neighborhood was asleep at the switch, didn’t take advantage of their right to protest this when it would have actually made a difference and now you’re stuck.

I don’t live in this neighborhood and I don’t even live in Snellville. I live in a neighborhood that sits at the foot of Ronald Reagan Parkway. With all of the county commission candidates calling for an extension of Ronald Reagan Parkway, I have my own problems, including the distinct possibility that a four-lane highway will be built through the middle of my neighborhood so that good folks such as yourselves, from Snellville, can have a quicker commute to I-85.

I can tell you one thing, if you do not get involved and exercise you civic duty to participate in government, you deserve everything you get. You can “trust” any politician about as far as you can throw them. Because we have allowed the same, incompetent people to be re-elected again and again and again, they care very little what you think because they know most of you don’t vote. Have a nice day and if you don’t vote, don’t complain.

By Steve

July 15, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

What’s the big deal?

By what?

July 15, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Old Timer, You said Lady made a point that the furnace was on for 8 hours and it makes noise and it smells? What did it smell like? The place hasn’t even started business yet, so how could it smell??

By Bruce Wilcox

July 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Cremation, thinking outside the box.

By Sam Gillespie

July 15, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

You people are being ridiculous.

My grandmother lives in the neighborhood, I’ve grown up in Snellville. I’m familiar with the whole area.

The house in question is a former residence turned office building, and will now be a crematory. The crematory will probably bring less traffic than an office or retail use.

I’m betting this guy is going to be a nice and quiet neighbor, and will probably end up having a great yard and very well-kept building, something some of these homes really need to focus on after my last visit back there.

Snellville needs to forget these minor, ridiculous squabbles and focus on what matters, such as upgrading aging infrastructure.

In all fairness and disclosure, I do not live in Snellville anymore, nor would I want to. I’ve moved to Phoenix, Arizona and the lack of humidity has me permanantly attached to my new city.

By George Patton

July 15, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Ahhh - I love the smell of burning flesh in the morning……

By Mark

July 15, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

I personally don’t see a problem here. Snellfrica is filthy with all the n**** and hispanics. Crime here is at a all time high, and you’re worried about a crematory?? I think we have biger fish to fry….

By JSC

July 15, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Neighbors of the crematory mess. You just attended last night’s meeting and were met with hostility and the threat of being arrested if you “got out of line”.

You need to think outside the box with this issue.

Think outside the box.

By old timer

July 15, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

by what? Regarding your question: Old Timer, You said Lady made a point that the furnace was on for 8 hours and it makes noise and it smells? What did it smell like? The place hasn’t even started business yet, so how could it smell?? The lady directly behind the crematory spoke publicly at the meeting last night and said the furnace came on one day last week for 8 hours, it makes a loud noise and there was an odor. She said the house was dark and she called the police. But, I am like you, I didn’t think they were to be operating yet. It made me wonder if there was a body or just an 8 hour trial run. The whole mess is very sad that this has been shoved down these nice taxpayer’s throats.

By Ole Smokey

July 16, 2008 1:41 AM | Link to this

Yes; I too hate these outrageous laws requiring people to be “civil”. Too bad they didn’t do an IQ check at the door. I’d just love it if things were like Iranian law…

Folks; it’s a done deal. Like so many have said; if you don’t like it; get involved with your community!

By BobG

July 16, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Jesus, a dry cleaner is less regulated, puts out more noxious fumes, and generates more traffic than a crematorium.

Grow a spine.

By Concerned citizen

July 16, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t want a dry cleaner in my backyard either. I thought that was zoned for office like the rest of the houses that adjoin the subdivision. City is working away on all their accomodations for this, they have the road blocked today so you can’t make a left turn out of the subdivision.

By Concerned citizen

July 16, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Bob: Your absolutely right, your good friend the mayor and his planners and council men and women do need to grow a spine and condemn the property. They need to correct their mistake.

By Concerned citizen

July 16, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Someone does need to grow a spine. The mayor and crew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Smellville

July 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

BobG: Check your facts with EPD, a dry cleaner has far more regulations than a crematory.

By Omacatl

July 17, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

From what I read here looks like most of the people are afraid/scared of death. They find death gruesome, morbid, grisly, etc. Death is just another fact of life and people need to make a living out of it just as people make a living out of births.

So you don’t know what to tell your kids when they see a van backing up into the building? What do you tell them when they see all the death, torture, hatred, suicide bombers on TV and the rest of the media and video games? Do you find that easier to explain? How about “Hey Bobby, when we die some of us would like to be buried and others like to be cremated. What is cremation daddy/mommy? Well, let me explain… If you’re posting here I’m sure you have a good command of the internet and can do your own research.

I live in the neighborhood and I really don’t care. Actually I’m happy the place got a makeover. How come no one was complaining when the building was vacant and looked like crap?

The man is willing to put up landscaping/trees/fences; what else do you want? Besides, doesn’t the city need all the revenue it can get? Would you rather our taxes go up?

And let’s not let our imaginations run wild. The process is quite safe, clean and odorless. I’m sure they will not have a body “Drop-off Box” or black smoke coming out of the exhaust signaling someone just got incinerated.

If I lived next door to the business I would be more concerned with traffic noise and car exhaust fumes.

Also, it’s not the dead we should be concerned about; it’s the living that worries me…

By FYI

July 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Are you renting or do you own your home? Because your property value is in the can. Do a little research about the health hazards of breathing the vapors and whatever it blows out of that smokestack.

Your right death is a part of life. But I wouldn’t want my loved one dropped off on the corner either in that short drive or through the front door. I don’t think a hearse will fit through that single garage door? The smokestack is right there where the door is. It’s a cut rate operation, people who have normal funerals will use Wages or Stewarts or Eternal Hills. I know at least two of these have there own crematories.

Your taxes are going up, and the city wants to impose another tax for storm sewers.

By Omacatl

July 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

I own my house. Please back up your comment by posting the results and origin of your research.

Regarding the delivery of bodies you are only guessing and not posting any facts. You are correct, you have the freedom to use anyone’s services but maybe not everyone can afford them.

Here are some facts about burial: “Burial is a known source of certain environmental contaminants. Embalming fluids, for example, are known to contaminate groundwater with mercury, arsenic and formaldehyde. The coffins themselves are another known source of contamination.”

By Ed

July 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

This subject burns me up. Let’s try ot out on Brucie!!

By FYI

July 18, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

I googled “crematory health affects” and there are pages of research that have been done.

You know, we all have a right to our opinion. I’m glad your happy.

Over 300 people in your area turned out for the Monday night meeting and close to 100 Wednesday night that don’t agree with you.

By Norman

July 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

What did you expect to happen in Hazzard

By Omacatl

July 18, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

The way you are phrasing your comments seems you don’t even live here. And yes, I too googled crematory health EFFECTS and I only found very old studies.

I have better things to do with my time than protest about something as idiotic as this. Look at the WHOLE world around you. With the current world situation a stupid crematorium is the least of my concerns. I refuse to spend more time on this. Good day.

By Not over yet

July 18, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Well, to clear up a few things, I think everyone should know that most of the people who oppose the crematorium are not spooked by death, a hearst, or feel that our children will be scared for life by being exposed to these things.What does bother us is losing money on our property.For the average person their home is their largest single investment and it is very sad to lose that investment. Now I would like to address olsmokey---It is obvious to me that olsmokey does not understand the concept just mentioned, when your home is on four wheels you can just roll it on over to the next trailer park and not worry about what is put nextto you,so please spare us your comments ! I have met Mr.Nuzum and yes he appears to be very nice,however appearences can fool all of us. This man knew what he was doing from the start, he knew very well how this would impact the people next door, behind him and down the street.Yes he knew and he did not care. So let`s not confuse his pleasant personality with someone who cares about other people.Just remember that this was not a needed service in this area and if you should have need of crematory services please go on up the road, there are many others.Most of the blame should go to our city gov.,I agree that he is businessman and he was actually within the law,but the fact remains that he knew what he was doing and what it would to others.

By Jan FROM Snellville

July 18, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

NOTOVERYET - YOU are so right!!!

and it is the city that is to be blamed!!! they are the ones that dropped the ball - A crematory over on Wisteria near Stewart’s would be nice, there is a HUGE VACANT LOT over there, and a cemetery near by!!!!! I know they could make a reflecting pool and put condos over it!!!!!!!

By BIKERGIRL LOVER

July 19, 2008 2:22 AM | Link to this

So…..B I K E R G I R L….. if I bring my bike to loobies… or loby’s will you hook up with me? I am very interested in you…..honestly… I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By BIKERGIRL LOVER

July 19, 2008 2:23 AM | Link to this

So…..B I K E R G I R L….. if I bring my bike to loobies… or loby’s will you hook up with me? I am very interested in you…..honestly… I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By BIKERGIRL LOVER

July 19, 2008 2:23 AM | Link to this

So…..B I K E R G I R L….. if I bring my bike to loobies… or loby’s will you hook up with me? I am very interested in you…..honestly… I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By BobG

July 19, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Don’t forget - Tod Warner was Planning Director before running for Council. He was warned by an attorney a YEAR AGO about “loopholes” in the zoning.

The current Zoning Nazi Jason Thompson is asleep at the wheel as well.

By LOL

July 20, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Smokey, for putting the “CREAM” in crematoty. I love it when idiots call others idiots, you IDIOT!

By Mark

July 20, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

You people simply need to warm up to the fact that it will be built. Snellfrica stinks now anyway. Maybe you’d rather have a hubcap store, or a title/pawn shop instead?

By Ever4ward

July 21, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

you guys are losing money on your homes without the crematory there and I think THAT might just be the real issue! I own a home and it has lost value, also. Maybe I should blame that big new temple they just built here in Lilburn as the culprit! sheesh Peoples priorities are so messed up.

By yeah

July 21, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Everyone is sure losing money on real estate in this market. A crematory would definitely escalate the loses even more you have to admit. Would you want to live next to one?

By Jan FROM Snellville

July 23, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

There is a NEW vacancy in the Snellville Job Openings, per the Snellville Website-(I say new, because last time I checked, there were No Job Openings) anyway - guess what it is…………. Director, Planning and Development!!!!!

What’s up???

I have a job, I just like to look, so I am really wondering what the qualifications really ARE!!!??? Peace!

By JSC

July 23, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

I just read that 150 Snellville residents got together on Sunday to raise money for an attorney.

GOOD!

Go get them, Snellville residents. Sue the slimeballs that allowed this.

By Townie

July 23, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Jan FROM Snellville -

Hopefully, the job posting will be to replace Jason Thompson, who has already cost the city $40,000 with the Chik-Fil-A debacle.

By Hear the Herd

July 23, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

A very gruesome topic indeed. Life is too short. You can have this one Paul.

By vdl

July 26, 2008 7:36 AM | Link to this

Living around the Snellville area for the last 30 years it is unbelievable how this city has gone to crap!! Snellville back in the day was considered a nice place to raise your children! Why did you people allow this to happen to this city? Where in the world has common sense gone to? If everyone would go back to using your head and not your egos and pocketbooks and make decisions that overlook the decent people of this county, we would all not be dreading the way our town is heading. Go to Lithonia and Dekalb and around Panola road and hang out because this is where Good Ole Snellville is heading. Protect us elected officials!!!! Your children are going to have children also!! Where are they going to move and raise them?

By Jan FROM Snellville

July 26, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

To- vdi

AMEN!!!!!!!!

You Head to where there are more pastures than stores, and then Hope & Pray that they STAY pastures!!!!!!!

By Mike

July 26, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Just a quick question. How does a crematory turn a town into a ghetto? Whine and moan all you like. The fact does not change that what is being done is being done legally. Also a business owner is not required to concider the quality of life or any other such bull before LEGALLY opening and running a business. Maybe if all you who cry and moan about what is happening now had actually cared to site in on meetings and zoning procedures 2-5 years ago, or (gasp) looked at zoning laws before you moved in, you wouldn’t be in the situation you are now. Victims of your own lack of willingness to participate in City affairs until you aren’t happy. Trying being proactive instead of reactive, outcomes are generally better then.

By vdl

July 26, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Dear Mike, A crematory does not turn a town into a ghetto. People that are being raised in this County and all Counties around this Nation turn our towns into Ghettos!!!!! If we would stand up as a Nation, (which is the greatest Nation in the World) and protect what our Ancestors taught us, which let me go back to common sense instead of trying to please and tiptoe around people that are not willing to give in to pansies with money (including our government who gives out a paycheck to everyone that wants to sit on their butt every month waiting on it). I rode by the “Crematory” today. What in the world is that business doing right there. I’m sure the people which have a business arcross the street love having this business come in, especially the home owners that care about their property. People Wake UP!!!!!! This is your Country!!!! Protect It From Idiots!!!

By townie

July 26, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

vdl -

I presume you mean “idiots” like Tod Warner, who knew about this zoning issue one year ago, when he was Planning Commissar. Because he is a pal of Jerry Öberhitler (and his wife was his campaign manager), Tod was elevated to council membership where he could chastise citizens ala Mike’s comment above.

By FYI

July 28, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

All those concerned with the crematory, please be at *Snellville City Hall at 7:30 pm tonight, Monday, 7/28/2008. * There are two crematory related items on the agenda and the news media will be there. Very important regarding health risks posed to citizens living nearby.

By BobG

July 28, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Yes, there will be a meeting tonight.

But also be aware that the police will be there, so no stepping out of line. (Rumor has it there will be plainclothes as well as SWAT).

No whining, either - or Tod Warner will be scolding you.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

By Bob

July 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

No, idiots would refer to councilpersons who can’t fill out an evaluation on time, or who lie about where they live, or those who vote for the above.

By ????

July 29, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

Is Toad Warner really Jerry Oberhotlter’s nephew? That would explain a lot.

By Jan FROM Snellville

July 29, 2008 4:26 AM | Link to this

And the mayor banged his gavel, and the People Laughed!!!! and then he says - “I’m serious” -

This is what I read in the paper this morning, so Now What??????

Lord Have Mercy…………….

By Bob

July 29, 2008 6:25 AM | Link to this

The two attorneys on the council just made sure their city attorney buddy will be able to make his yacht payments. Out of your pockets, I might add.

By townie

July 29, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this

Hey Bob - isn’t that the same city attorney who told Warner LAST YEAR about this?

“Councilman Tod Warner, former chairman of the planning commission, said he has known since last year about the wording of the zoning ordinance that allows for a crematory.

“I’ll take the heat on this one. This is my fault.”

Warner said an attorney cautioned him on the loophole, but he never expected one to pop up.”

Maybe he shouldn’t operate on a “shoestring”??? Maybe these lawyers know something???

By Bob

July 29, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

So, this city attorney didn’t tell the council members? Especially his two attorney buddies and the king of posturing, Jenkins?

You believe that?

And if, by some fluke it’s true, then we need a new city attorney.

By zz

July 29, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Tod Warner at the last meeting scolded people for not being involved.

Last night, he made a motion to the mayor to clear the room if people didn’t behave the way he and the mayor felt they should. He is quite a piece of work.

By Bob

July 29, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

You define “involved” as acting the fool at a public meeting, hooting and hollering like you are at a football game?

Bless your heart, manners don’t seem to be your strong suit.

By zz

July 29, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

There were many good points made by many intelligent people. I didn’t define “involved”, that was Tod’s words. If I recall he also said people need to come to the meetings and be involved.

If you were there, the mayor’s manners were very poorly displayed. I don’t agree with him on anything, but I actually felt sorry for him for his lack of tact, no leadership skills, no maturity, very little self control and lack of thinking skills and the fact that he has run the city in the ground. I recently heard a good description of his demeanor as a “school yard bully.” It became very apparent he has an agenda to do everything he can to open this crematory and throw the taxpayers under the bus.

Actually Bob, I didn’t hoot, nor holler. Like I said the mayor’s actions were reprehensible.

By townie

July 29, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Jeez, Bob - do you mean that Warner was OK to keep the matter to himself while acting as Planning Commissioner, and that we should rely on the attorney he consulted to tell the council?

Why did he keep it to himself?

By the way, Warner voted with the other council members regarding the environmental study - looks like you are the only one standing with Jerry.

You both have the same maturity level.

By Bob

July 29, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

We should rely on the attorney that is paid by the city to actually tell the city in writing what he determined in his review?

Oh, perish the thought.

By townie

July 29, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

We should rely on the PLANNING COMMISSIONER that is paid by the city to actually tell the city in writing what he determined in his review?

Oh, perish the thought.

There, fixed that for you.

By terry k.

July 30, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

You know this whole thing about the cremotorium is a mess. It has to clean up someway or the other. Don’t leave it as it is and move on, clean it up by some means then move on. Family, children and neighbors will no longer be living in a healthy and free environment, but one which will be unhealthy fearful and dreaded environment at all times. Erection of a crematorium will automatically devalue all properties in the area. It will create a ghost town people will flea the areas.

By TF

July 31, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this

Yep, take it from me, people don’t like fleas and if people flea my neigborhood, it’s gonna be a ghost town.

Seriously, though, I’m seeing lots of blather and no concrete suggestions. The city can deny him the Cert of Occ. but he will sue, and win, because it is a legal use of the property.

By z

August 1, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

How will he win if he doesn’t have the required (by State and City ordinances) parking? There does seem if there is more than one hearse at the time, there is no where to go?

Also, if you read the ordinance for that property, this business is not supposed to have any ill affect on neighbors quality of life. The environmental report should clear that point up.

I’m not so sure he would win a law suit. I believe there is the potential for more lawsuits from the community than to just deal with him. The news media is reporting what the mayor is reporting, which is somewhat biased.

By Tommy

August 1, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

It is interesting that there is a crematorium located on Hwy 29 and Harbin road that has not stir as much controversies as this issue has in Snellville . Granted there is also a cemetery in front of the facility so that may have reduce the out cry. It is interesting to note there are houses directly across the street and 50 yards to the rear. There is also a middle school less than 75 yards from the facility. The neighborhood is a mixed ethnic one so they may not had the interest as these people have in the various issues brought up.

As for the mercury issue I am no expert but I would venture a guess the temperature used to reduce everything to ashes would surly vaporize the mercury that is around. I work down the road from the Marietta facility and pass it often during lunch and I have never seen any black smoke from this facility. Let the business open.

By z

August 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Where do you live? Marietta, Lilburn? It doesn’t sound like you live in the subdivision in Snellville where this crematory is.

You said it, crematories should be with funeral homes and cemeteries, not stand alones in people’s backyards (literally).

Vaporized mercury is the issue. Mercury is elemental, so it cannot be broken down into a harmless chemical.

By stine

August 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

The real question is why no-one brought up any of these issues at the time of Nuzum’s purchase of the property. How long did the renovation take? Why did no one care then????

By x

August 2, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Oh Stine: It was a secret until the smokestack was put in the garage. The City did not share with anybody.

By Curt

August 2, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

I lived near a crematorium once and it smelled like Burger King all the time. If you do not believe it, just wait and see……Charbroild Anyone…LOL

By Party Pooper

August 5, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

I live in the neighborhood and I don’t give a rat’s a$$ about the crematory. Where were these people when the building looked like crap?

They are concerned with emissions? What about all the emissions from living so close to HWY 78?

They worry their property value will go down? How many people do you know that want to live next to a busy highway with all the vehicle emissions and road noise?

The worry about mercury? Mercury is released only if the body had dental filings containing the metal. Do they know for certain what percentage of bodies will have such filings?

Some people had no idea about this issue until Liberty Community Management managing the subdivision across the street started sending mass emails to all the residents asking them to protest.

By x

August 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Poop: what’s your point?

By x

August 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

what’s your point pooper?

By Party pooper

August 6, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Congratulations By x. You are as funny as a 3rd grader.

By Party pooper

August 6, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

My point is your agenda is based and fear and ignorance and not on facts. Stop looking at death as something morbid and gruesome. We are all born (unless you were cloned) and we all die. Do we opt to take up a piece of land so it gets overgrown with weeds or do we get cremated?

Let the man conduct his business, stop crying like a baby and move on. He did everything by the book and he’s willing to accommodate any neighbors’ requests.

Maybe if the crematory owner sent discount coupons to the old geezers in the neighborhood they will let it go. It’s a win-win situation.

By the way, do you use compact fluorescent light bulbs in your house? Are you aware they contain mercury? Why don’t you go and picket Home Depot or Lowes for selling them? You see where I’m going with this?

By A look back at Superbowl 42

August 6, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Why not open an Italian Trattoria next to the Crematoria so that when the mob rubs out a guy they can dispose of the evidence right there?

By x

August 6, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

Pooper:

My agenda is not based or fear nor ignorance. I understand death and am not afraid of it. I don’t have a problem with cremation. My dissatisfaction with this little business, it is out of place in a neighborhood. It’s nice you don’t mind.

He did everything by the book and he’s willing to accommodate any neighbors’ requests. As for your remarks above, he has not done everything by the books, i.e., not enough parking (State and City law) for one and he is not willing to accomodate neighbor’s requests or he wouldn’t be there. This man isn’t stupid, he wasn’t allowed to setup shop in Alpharetta. He knows nobody wants a crematory in their backyard or neighborhood. He also seems to be able to outdoor watering all day Sunday on his pine straw when the rest of Gwinnett County is under a water ban.

Maybe if the crematory owner sent discount coupons to the old geezers in the neighborhood they will let it go. It’s a win-win situation. The senior citizens don’t deserve this type disrespect and they don’t deserve their property values to be devalued even more than they already are in a troubled economy by this “businessman.”

By Party pooper

August 7, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

By x.

Again, you are just reciting the same rhetoric. They don’t need additional parking spaces because they will not be performing services there; just cremations (do your homework).

Also, the business is located in a business area correct?

If he’s violating the watering ban then report him. If I’m not able to wash my car he’s not supposed to be wasting water. Then again, the restriction was amended to allow the watering of newly installed landscaping, some hand watering, etc, so I’m not so sure about that one.

OK. I take back the comment about the old folks. Happy now?

By the way, if you don’t live here what is your agenda?

By Oz

August 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

Why not open an Italian Trattoria next to the Crematoria so that when the mob rubs out a guy they can dispose of the evidence right there?

By El Loco

August 8, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

OK you’ve posted twice about the Italian Trattoria and nobody finds it funny. Mive on…

By Oz

August 8, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

What a meatball.

By Marie

August 8, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

This is thing goes through Snellville can by my house and I will move badk out of state I have only lived on Oak Road for a year but this City is just falling apart , and I don’t even like Snellville any more.

My house is on the market for sale anyone want to buy this thing now.

By WOW

August 8, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Link: WOW!

Nothing but idiots left in Snellville - 2008/07/24 00:13 The hornets’ nest continues to stir over the plan to open a crematory on Hwy. 78 in Snellville near a couple of subdivisions. The swarm has several Council members ducking for cover and looking for someone to blame.

The AJC reports that Warren Auld has called for a formal investigation, although there isn’t any authorization in the charter for one. Meanwhile, official deep thinker and moral compass Robert Jenkins is hoping for a scapegoat, even if it is a city employee. From the AJC:

More than 150 residents gathered in Snellville Sunday, collecting money to hire an attorney.

“If they can get organized they probably will sue us,” Jenkins said. “They’ve got a point. The city would be hard pressed to say we don’t have any fault here.”

Technically, there is no fault. Through the lack of express prohibition, the city allows a crematory to operate in the zoning designation for the subject property. Further, the non-residential use fronts Hwy. 78, where it should be.

If the city wants to now change the zoning to prohibit crematoria or to require a special use permit, it can do so. But this one is a done deal; as legal as it can be.

I don’t need a special citizens committee investigation to figure out what happened here.

First, the backwoods clowns on the Council— Robert Jenkins, Warren Auld, Kelly Kautz and, formerly, Bruce Garraway— made employment in Snellville so unbearable for our former Planning Director that she quit. The city has operated for months without an experienced replacement.

The city’s development ordinances are currently in the hands of a young, decent but terribly inexperienced and apparently inept individual. It probably did not cross his mind that a crematory so close to highly-excitable and grossly ignorant homeowners might cause a problem.

Because of his youth and inexperience, he probably also doesn’t understand that he is about to be thrown under the bus by unprincipled politicians looking to deflect criticism from their own incompetence. Our young, acting planning director is about to experience a hard lesson in life, I fear.

You may remember that the same Council cabal made public service so unpleasant for City Manager Jeff Timler that he tendered his resignation. Auld, Jenkins, Kautz and Garraway were so petty that they even refused to complete a simple evaluation form, as required by Timler’s contract.

If I recall correctly, we lost the Economic Development director at about the same time, and for many of the same reasons.

They also ran off the City Attorney who, according to those who would know, was an extremely intelligent and knowledgeable individual. The new City Attorney is reportedly just as sharp, which explains why Jenkins, Kautz and Auld are already regretting their vote for him.

So while the boobs on the Council scramble to find someone to take the fall on the crematory, Snellville voters would be wise to recognize the “brain drain” that is occurring in Snellville city government.

The idiots are running the asylum. And pretty soon, there will be nothing left but idiots.

By woz

August 8, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Griggs, you are such a douchebag.

By x

August 9, 2008 7:07 AM | Link to this

Pooper:

If you DO YOUR homework, these parking requirements are specifically for crematoria, as outlined in State and City ordinances. He has not followed them.

Yes, this is a house designed business as in “Office and Professional.” Most simple minded people would find it a stretch to think it would include “crematoria’s.”

My agenda, I did live in the subdivision 21 years (my parents, in-laws and many dear friends are still there). My concern is for their quality of life and continued dropping of property values. There are still a lot of fine people living in Abington and Old Hickory Village as evidenced at the homeowner’s meetings and Council meetings. They all pay city taxes and don’t deserve to be thrown under the bus for this “business.”

Your agenda, you live there and don’t care. Do you actually own your home? Because if you do, your property value will be in the dumper even more than it already is after this “body burning” joint opens up. If you rent, then I can understand your not caring.

We can agree to disagree on this one. Obviously you have your views and I have mine.

By townie

August 9, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Quote from Jerry Öberhitler:

“I gotta believe if this was a big problem, the federal government would have stopped it.”

Brilliant. Trust the feds when the city Planning Commissisar (now councilman Warner) falls asleep at the switch.

Jerry = FAIL once again.

By Bob

August 11, 2008 6:24 AM | Link to this

Before that line, he said: “I’m not interested in wasting my time on junk science from so-called experts.”

Intellectual honesty seems to be a foreign concept to you. If you want to pursue yor studies of alien abductions, seems the current Council idiots would support you.

By Katie

August 11, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

You all are so concerned about the burning of bodies. How about being concerned about the bodies being buried in your local cemetary?? All those rotting human carcasses and the formalin and other bodily fluids seaping into the ground and ground water supplies. Let me tell you, those caskets and cement grave liners don’t do much to ‘filter’ the waste. That to me is far more disgusting than a crematorium. Once the body burns, there is nothing hazardous there—it’s burned. It’s reached a temperature that no contaminents can remain. You all don’t need to worry about anything. And, you’ll have quiet neighbors.

By x

August 11, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Well Katie, what is your solution for the cemetaries? Dig them up and send them to the friendly neighborhood crematory on the corner of Abington Drive and 78. Last time I checked cemetaries weren’t on rivers and lakes and they owned quite a few acres and are located away from residential neighborhoods. But, our local dude is going to further pollute the air that is breathed by many, many, many (densely poplulated area) with toxic mercury for the local Snellvillians.

Also, We always get steel vaults for our loved ones. Nothing is leaking into the ground through that. You sure have a condescending, callous attitude about the whole thing. Will you be at City Hall tonight spewing your hatred for the local city residents?

By information

August 11, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

Snellville City hall tonight, 7:30 pm, Council Meeting, regarding crematory impact study. Be there.

By mayor

August 12, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

They paid their money for the permit. What is every body so hot and bothered about. They will probably have tours for the school children to see what happens when you dies without much money and your relatives don’t give a flying rats behind about you. What is a little more co2, particulate matter and heat spewing into the air. Hey its just like a landfill. The garbage has to go somewhere, why not close to a neighborhood!

By ellie mae

August 12, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

This is a big woops for the Snellville city council. They did not have any ordinances to prevent this from happening. I guess that shows a lack of proactivity in protecting their constituents. While it is hard to plan for every contingency it seems that the citizens of Suwanee have got a sharper more proactive council. I guess that the mayor and council will have to see what they can do retroactively or proactively. Once the furnace turns on, it will be very hard to shut it down legally. I would guess that as citizens you could have a very big nasty protest on highway 78, in the right of way, expressing your 1st amendment rights. This is sad for a community that is undergoing changes in demographics, surge in crime and gang activity etc.

By townie

August 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

“…Mayor Jerry Öberhitler confronted him the in the hallway minutes earlier asking the councilman to “take it outside.”

This is too funny. What a complete buffoon. What’s next? Griggs and Joe Anderson wearing brown shirts at the next meeting?

By jeffro

August 12, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

Back in the days when the good ole mayor was a councilman, he changed the ordinance to include crematories in the city and the Brett Harrell crew approved it. So, it really isn’t a surprise to the mayor. It hasn’t slipped by him……

By GwinnettBuzz

August 12, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

www.gwinnettbuzz.com

Snellville council continues it political games August 12, 2008 | 12:36 am When I thought I could not find much more to say about the Snellville crematory controversy, I read the account of Monday’s night meeting and I could not wait to get to my keyboard. The latest meeting did not just feature a figurative assault on property rights but also an alleged threat of physical assault. Councilman Robert Jenkins alleged that Mayor Jerry Oberholtzer “[asked] the councilman to ‘take it outside.’” While I certainly do not sanction physical threats, I find Jenkins’ statement that he “will not be bullied” to be rather ironic. He rightfully does not want to be physically bullied if the incident with Oberholtzer occurred, yet he is perfectly willing to play the bully to crematory owner Chris Nuzum and Nuzum’s property rights.

City Manager Russell Treadway provided a summary of his research on the the environmental effects of crematories. I don’t want to be too critical of Mr. Treadway because he is not an elected official and is effectively caught in the middle of this political vaudeville show staged by Jenkins and Kautz. However, as the individual who is reportedly conducting the research into this question, a question over which Snellville’s authority is not even clear, I have to question if he has the necessary credentials to assess the body of research on this topic. Mr. Treadway’s background is in government management not scientific research. Is he qualified to assess which research is reliable and which may not be? However, in reality, this question is immaterial because the history of this case clearly shows that this investigation is not about scientific matters, but rather it is about politics. Councilwoman Kelly Kautz said “The bottom line is that there is the potential for pollution with this crematory.” What Kautz should have said was, “The bottom line is that we have stepped in a hornets nest and these residents are going to vote me out of office if I do not give into them no matter whose property rights get trampled.”

The time to be concerned about whether a crematory was an appropriate use was when the city established its zoning code. Once the law is in place, residents and property owners alike should be able to count on the rule of law being upheld. The rule of law is critical in our system to ensure that our rights are protected from the tyranny of the majority. To attempt to set aside that law - a law that has been followed appropriately by a property owner - in order to protect political power is simply un-American. Sadly, rather than being held accountable in the next election for this assault on property rights, Jenkins and Kautz have a better chance of retaining their seats by sacrificing Mr. Nuzum’s rights on the altar of political gamesmamship. I just hope that Mr. Nuzum tracks every last cent that this charade costs him. While there is likely no way to seek restitution from the local residents who have egged on these politicians, I hope he is willing to sue the City of Snellville for these costs as well as any punitive damages allowed by law. Standing up to abusive government practices and demanding that our rights be upheld and seeking full restitution is the only way we can hope to slow the assult on property rights.

By townie

August 13, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this

Warner and Öberhitler knew about this problem for over ONE YEAR before it came up.

Councilman Tod Warner, former chairman of the planning commission, said he has known since last year about the wording of the zoning ordinance that allows for a crematory.

“I’ll take the heat on this one. This is my fault.”

Warner said an attorney cautioned him on the loophole, but he never expected one to pop up.

So, NOW Öberhitler wants to sit on his hands and say “there’s nothing we can do”?????? Warner just blew off the attorney’s advice?????

Glad Jerry and his crony are looking out for us!

By Jeffro

August 13, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Nuzum hasn’t spent much money, Buzz. $250,000 isn’t much for a half acre on 78 and a brick building. He paid $225,000 for the building and land. $25,000 is chump change for cosmetic work, paint and his oven. He could pack the oven up and take it to another neighborhood. Anybody could sell a decent brick home on 78 as Office and Professional for $250,000. The reports this dude has spent a lot of money isn’t true, according to public records for real estate sold. This is not a nice man, nice men don’t cram crematories into 1/2 acre lots in subdivisions.

It’s odd that Oberholtzer, and the Harrell gang saw fit to add crematoria into the ordinance those years ago, when most cities are doing everything to keep crematoria out. Are they related to Nuzum or play golf or what.

Obviously it didn’t slip in, when there was a red light installed at the intersection, sidewalks around the house, a lot of making this man welcome by City. Now, Mr. mayor is ready to fight to make sure this man gets his business running?????? Something just doesn’t smell right, there truly needs to be a full investigation.

There are some very intelligent retired seniors in the two subdivisions who just might unearth the real reason the mayor is so adamant to get this man in and forget the voters health, quality of life and property rights and values.

By Buzz

August 13, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Jeffro, why don’t you open your checkbook and pay this guy. Don’t go around spending my money. If the City of Snellville writes a check for ANY amount, its going to cost all taxpayers and take money from other areas within the city. Since you call it Chump change why don’t you pony up some money….C H U M P ? What an idiot!

By Jeffro

August 13, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

City of Snellville is spending your money faster than you can pay those taxes. Your taxes are going up, stormwater fees, etc. regardless of whether they do the right thing regarding the crematory. I don’t see the need for name calling. Have a great day, Buzz.

By townie

August 13, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

The City will be paying Chik-Fil-A about $40,000-$50,000 for their last zoning snafu.

Öberhitler can’t afford to pay off this one.

By steve

August 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Maybe the neighbors can take up a collection plate to buy out Mr. Nuzum?

By julie

August 26, 2008 6:21 AM | Link to this

The city is soooooooo corrupt. Two council members and mayor o. voted against a full investigation into this corruption last night. What are they hiding? Inquiring minds want to know. Especially to be so “SOLD” out to the cremation man, at all costs to the taxpayers, lower property values, health risks, traffic, etc.

The little puppet planner claimed there was no alteration to this property to require council input. The whole side of the building was taken in by an incinerator and gas tanks along with no side yard and a big red Fire Sign on the wall. But that is no reason to consider the site altered?????????????? It was laughable, the lengths this corrupt city council is going to, to try and cover their rears. Nuzum has NOT met all legal requirements as mayor continues to report to media, he does not have required parking, for one. He will change quality of life for residents in the area, healthwise and financial loss to their property values.

I urge everyone in the area to appeal your county and city property taxes. Media should verify facts before reporting random spin from the mayor.

By Jeffro

September 9, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Oh Buzz:

Last night Mayor increased Snellville budget another $200,000. The idea of negotiating a garbage contract seemed foreign to these folks, with the exception of Kelly Kautz and Jerry Jenkins. Taxes are going up monthly (at each council meeting). Toad Warner said it would only be $9.00 a household, which actually works out to $200,000 a year increase in the budget. As I recall the stormwater increase was something like that. Boy, Snellville really needs some form of leadership that could like balance a budget without all the increases.

Of course, they can’t regulate the crematory according to the “City Attorney”. It’s funny every other city in the State of Georgia can. Attorney read the same crap Nuzum and Mayor O reported to the press several weeks ago. Isn’t that ironic. It seems the mayor, Nuzum and of course the “City Attorney” are retelling the same tale. Really put a lot of effort into these fairy tales. Keep telling the press everything is legal, by whose law? The law according to the mayor, not the one on the books?

It’s really a sad day for the citizens of Snellville. There is a minority of the Council looking out for our best interest. Unfortunately, Warner, Oberholtzer and Bender are of one brain. That is enough to make sure nothing in the best interest of the taxpayers will pass.