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By Larry

April 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

Seems another liberal can’t handle not having his way. I wonder if he pouted when his mama spanked him. Oh wait, if his mama had ever spanked him, he probably wouldn’t be as he is. Gun owners have been trying to get some relief for years and we’ve always accepted losing, even if it was because of tricks. Senator Johnson’s actions, if properly reported, were sour grapes and totally out of place.

What will the anti-gun zealots do next year when they find out that a year of reduced restrictions on gun owners has produced no ill effects?

By Count Rob

April 5, 2008 1:14 AM | Link to this

Totally agree with Larry’s comment.

We still have a second amendment, even though the left wants to abolish it.

By Tony

April 5, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

There was debate by senator Orrock and Fort. There were several back and forth exchanges that Chip handled very well. Orrock and Fort gave the same objections that they have given every time these same issues came up this year. Nothing in this bill was new and slightly different language had passed both chambers multiple times this session with plenty of debate.
Senator Orrock it is not the responsibility of waiters to check for concealed weapons before serving alcohol in bars. Just like they don’t give you a breath test before you leave and drive your car (which by the way kill FAR more people than firearms carried by licensed law-abidign citizens). Even California as liberal as it is allows this. Thank God there are a few less gun free killing zones now in Georgia.
Senator Fort, Shame on you for your stunt Wednesday trying to torpedo legislation with your dirty tricks. Knowingly attaching an amendment designed to stop a bill that the people apparently want. Let the people vote. Lt. Governor Cagle did the right thing letting this bill be voted on. Too bad he didn’t let Speaker Richardson’s Birthday Tax bill have a chance for a Senate vote.

By Opus

April 5, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Cutting off debate? How does he even say that with a straight face. This legislation has been debated for at least the last 2 years. It was time for a vote.

By Edward

April 5, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

I agree. Sen Fort should be ashamed of himself. I’m wondering what happened to his “more tricks up his sleeve”. We called his bluff and won.

By Steve W. Cook

April 5, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

I applaud the Senate and House for passing this common sense legislation on to become law.

The rights of Georgia’s firearms owners have been trampled and evaporated over many years and these types of laws will begin to restore their Right To Keep And Bear Arms.

Senators Orrock and Fort were merely attempting to stall the moving train with their old song and dance tactics.

They ultimately were merely a bump or two in the road on the way to this great resurgence for firearms owners.

Governor Purdue…..we will be watching and waiting for you to allow this to become law.

We are much larger in numbers than most people would believe, we are family orientated, we follow all the laws that are on the books, we have high morals and we are here to ensure our rights are restored.

Waiting and watching intently in the Peach State.

By Debra Jenkins

April 5, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Since 911, the whole country wants to arm itself with concealed weapons. Accidental deaths by handguns are up 250%. If you want to kill someone, tell them to go clean their gun. Odds are really good they’ll blow their own head clean off.

In pioneer days, the westward expansion in wagon trains can be traced with the graves of all the riflemen who kept their rifles loaded, and laying in the back of the wagon, muzzel pointed backwards. Then some hothead would see a wolf or a buffalo and yell, “indian attack”, so all the frontiersmen would run to the back of their covered wagons and pull on the rifle that almost always got tangled up with grandma’s flubdubs and KABOOM! the poor sod would get shot…clean….through……the gizzard. That’s why it took four months to get to oregon, they’d spend most of the time at funerals.

But go ahead. Sit next to me at a restaurant and then have your gun discharge missing my foot by inches. I pray for that day. there’s not a jury in the world that would convict me.

Real pistoleros!

By Gun Guy

April 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Mr. Cook,

“The rights of Georgia’s firearms owners have been trampled and evaporated over many years” Not to ruin perectly good sentiment with reality, but that is simply not correct. Georgia is and has been, by a wide margin, the most gun-friendly state in the nation. We were the first state to shut down the anti-gun lawsuits, we have shooting-range protection laws that are used as a national model, our carry permit system is among the most liberal in the U.S., we crack down hard on felons who even attempt to buy a gun, our constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms without any bothersome “militia clause” and the list goes on and on. As a Life Member of the NRA, the owner of more guns than you can shake a stick at, and a lawyer who has worked to put Georgia where it is, I am proud of our state’s record. And I believe that we need to remain vigilant in the protection of our rights. But I also believe in accurate and reasonable argument, not hysterics. When we engage the anti-gun crowd reasonably and logically, and without rancor, we accomplish more for our long-term purposes. Frankly, I get a little tired of pro-gun people who demonize folks who have a different point of view, distort the truth beyond recognition, and tout their own “morals” as justification for their positions. When ground our arguments in fact and law, we win both the victory of the day and the respect of our opponents. Both have long-term value.

By Matt Knighten

April 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Gun Guy,

Show me another state that makes it a 20 year felony if a person with a permit to carry is found at a bus stop carrying. Being on a bus or subway is 10 years, being at the stop is 20.

That was passed in 2000 or 2001. Hopefully the Governor will sign HB 89 and get rid of it forever.

The fact is, take any state that issues or allows you to carry a firearm and compare their laws to Georgia. You will find that Georgia has the most places off limits of any state.

That removes Georgia from being the “most gun-friendly state in the nation.”

A commonly held but absolutly incorrect statement.

By Matt Knighten

April 5, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Debra - Care to site where you got this 250% accidental handgun deaths come from? Last I saw from the gov. firearm accidents as a whole were going down.

Guns don’t just go off by themselves and you may want to look into anger management if you really wish to assault a gun owner.

Also, I can give you informaion on many historical books you should read if that really is what you think happened in the “wild west.”

By NRA member

April 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

The only thing commonly held about you, Matt Knighten, is your peepee.

What a dope, honestly. The right to bear arms is not the right to inflict ordnance on a transporation venue. If I catch you or any of you bigshot bushwacking pistolero’s with a concealed weapon and it discharges because you’re a moron, you’ll be the first example of a missing link hybrid species of man half-cocked.

By Joseph

April 5, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Sorry, but all I saw from senator Thompson and Fort was a bunch of fearmongering. They and the AJC are wrong. I side with the Constitution, unlike them.

By Damon Wells

April 5, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Funny. I watched the streaming video feed from the senate yesterday and saw no one getting in anyone else’s “grill”. I think this article is simply trying to generate drama.

Oh, and you could tell what Rogers thought about Orrock and Fort’s attempts to dely the passage of this piece of legislation just by his body language. He knew they were pandering for the camera and news writers. This legislation has been debated for the last two years. It was time to bring it to a vote, not debate it even more on the senate floor on the last day of the legislative session.

By Gun Guy

April 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Matt,

What law was it that was passed in “2001 or 2002”? What statute are you citing that specially penalizes carry permit holders? 16-11-127.1, the most restrictive portion of our carry laws, is applicable to locations within 1000 feet of school zones, has extensive exceptions (two full pages of them, including for carry permit holders and others), and carries a 2 to 10 penalty. Carrying at a public gathering without a permit is a misdemeanor. 16-11-127. Carrying concealed without a permit is a misdemenaor first, 1 to 5 subsequent. 16-11-126. In fact, the harshest penalty is for carrying into a nuclear power facility, 2 to 20. 16-11-127.2 If that’s a problem for you, stay away from Plant Vogtle.

Have you actually checked all those state carry laws you are referring to? I have. You’re not correct, and not by a long shot. Furthermore, carry permits are only one portion of gun laws. Georgia’s laws on preemption and a host of other issues afford gun owners more protection than virtually any other state. I don’t disagree with expanding carry permits responsibly. But touting the myth that Georgia is somehow backward and benighted on gun rights is every bit as pernicious as the anti-gunner’s cry that liberalized permit laws are the “Wild West” and “Rambo”. Arguments for improving our gun laws only fall on deaf ears if you deafen them yourself with mistatements and exagerrations. Remember, when you scorch the earth someone like me has to come along and till it afterwards. We got great laws like no-anti-gun-lawsuits and preemption by being reasonable, sane, good-humored and polite. Attributes that should be found in every gun owner.

By NRA member

April 5, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Until the law comes along, a gun is the law. Very dangerous precedence here. Americans with guns. Hows that working out for you america? Shoot any terrorists or commie invaders lately?

By Tony

April 5, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

NRA Member, I just don’t understand you. Yes guns are a problem in our country but not the guns that are in the hands of the law-abiding citizens. It’s the felons that break doors down in the middle of the day at the bus stop, shoot an innocent guy in the middle of the day going to the bank, shoot up schools, shoot up churches, malls, etc. Mostly it’s a problem in “Gun Free Zones” that all of these restrictive laws have created. Why have there been so many schools shootings over the past 10 years? Perhaps because over that time they have been Gun Free Killing Zones? Hmmmmm….. Why do the bad guys always go shoot up the places that are gun free? Is it perhaps that they fear they may get shot if they go somewhere else? If you are in the mall and a crazy person comes in and starts shooting, how long will it take the cops to stop them? How long to get there? How long to stand in teh parking lot and make their plan? How many lives lost? Just like many cases and recently in Denver, a citizen, with a permit stopped a crazy guy prepared to kill and wound dozens of people. Just one good woman with a legal gun. I see news of hoodlums shooting people everyday in Atlanta. Funny I doubt any of them were GFL holders. There are 300,000 of us in Georgia with the number growing daily. Funny we are not on the news as playing shootout at the OK Corral or shooting each other on I-85. We are not the problem, just honest people trying to protect ourselves and our families. Not only because we are responsible for ourselves but because it is our right.

By Jeff

April 5, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Gun Guy, Check 16-12-123 and Ga 16-12-127. I summarized it here. It shall be unlawful for any person, with the intention of avoiding or interfering with a security measure or of introducing into a terminal any explosive, destructive device, or hoax device as defined in Code Section 16-7-80; firearm; hazardous substance as defined by Code Section 12-8-92; or knife or other device designed or modified for the purpose of offense and defense A person violating the provisions of this Code section shall be guilty of a felony and shall, upon conviction, be sentenced to imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than 20 years, a fine not to exceed $15,000.00, or both.

By NRA member

April 5, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Tony. Hello Tony. Guns? Guns have a way of going off. Just for no reason.

School shootings? In the past twenty years, 10 times more schoolkids died of gunshot wounds from accidental discharge than all the columbines put together.

Felons with guns? In the past 100 years, 100 times more people have been killed by accidental discharge or mistaken identity, (usually the schoolkid).

In the last 500 years, only three criminals were prevented from their crime by gun weilding vigilante citizen types with dreams of Dirty Harry in their peabrains.

No, you let Altantans carry concealed weapons around, and every other day there’ll be a fatality because someone forgot to put the safety on.

Even in war, accidents cause a large % of casualties. Those I suffer but those I accept. It’s war. There’s simply no other way except to arm everybody and let them carry their guns around all the time everywhere no matter what. It’s very dangerous, but it’s war, it’s supposed to be dangerous.

The assembly has passed the most convoluted bunch of halfbaked bills I’ve ever seen. they’re all fooked up. This gun law stinks more than any I’ve ever seen. People are going to die for nothing directly because of it.

Where is the mandatory NRA gun safety course with every purchase of a gun? Arm our citizens? Okay. Teach them how to shoot. Teach them how to carry a gun safely.

I cant believe the world is the way the world is. It’s like we’re all blind.

By Damon Wells

April 5, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

NRA member, your last post is so full of fail that it isn’t even worth responding to with the facts. The disinformation you are spreading shows that you are pulling these “facts” directly out of your posterior.

If someone would like to educate themselves about what happens to crime in states when gun laws are restrictive, I would invite you to read John Lott’s More Guns, Less Crime. It is an eye opening read for those of you who prefer facts as opposed to “NRA member’s” emotion filled rants.

By mike123

April 5, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

NRA Member … although I doubt you are a member but anyhow.

Along with being insulting, you are factually wrong about gun accidents.

Go to here:
http://oasis.state.ga.us/oasis/qryMorbMort.aspx

Its the Georgia Dept. of Human Services site. You will see that in 2006, 3 children were killed by accidential discharges of firearms. Contrast that with 26 children died by drownings. Pools and baths are 10 times more deadly than guns. Why aren’t you proposing to ban baths and showers. You should. Doing so would save many more lives and then we’d all smell like you.

By NRA member

April 5, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Well.

By Tony

April 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

More children are killed by 5 gallon buckets than accidents with firearms. And the stats that rate “children” killed by guns counts children that are under 24 (or maybe 26) years of age. Hmmmmm…. Have to go up to age 24 to get some numbers. And they count accidents as gang bangers shooting each other.
And if there were only 3 persons in the last 500 years that stopped a crime with a civilian firearm I know them all (and them some). Thousands of armed citizens a year stop crimes without firing a shot in many cases. And when criminals know guns may be present they usually just go elsewhere. Perhaps to your house :)

NRA you should put a sign in your front yard saying that you don’t own guns and don’t believe in self defense. Why stop there if you don’t believe in the 2nd Amendment you should go ahead and throw out the rest of them. At least do us all a favor and throw out the 1st and then you could STFU.

By Tomcat

April 5, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

“n the last 500 years, only three criminals were prevented from their crime by gun weilding vigilante citizen types with dreams of Dirty Harry in their peabrains.”

WOW NRA member, thanks for telling me that. After all, I apparently count for two of those prevented from their crimes, so they will probably make a movie about me or something ;)

Serious pal, get some facts straight. People protect themselves every day by using firearms against criminals, while guns do not “just go off on their own” for any reason. They go off because the trigger gets pressed. Period.

Get some facts straight, please.

By Edward

April 5, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

NRA Guy,

Your posts prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea of what you are talking about. Instead of using facts you anti-gun liberals use emotions to stir the pot. I dare say that the NRA would be extremely disappointed in your comments.

By Political Foreskin

April 6, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

How many of you pistolero’s know about the recent gunshot in a flight deck of a fully loaded commercial passenger jet. When they armed the pilots after 911, I knew there would be accidents. And there was. The gun went off, and the bullet just went anywhere chaos would choose. Hydrolic lines, fuel lines, electrical wires, the pilot’s face, no, it went harmlessly into the side of the thingie that houses the other thingamajig. whew, that was a close one, hey, do I have to write out a requisition for another bullet?

I am sick to death of you Josey Wales wannabes. It was a movie. Get over it, and shove your guns.

Question: why doesn’t the penis come with a holster?

Answer: Cause then what would vigilantes do with their itchy trigger fingers?

guns are bombs. They are bombs. They just go off, kinda accidental like, not my fault, my bad, oops. Sorry your child’s face is now spaghetti, but I’ve got the law on my side, so get lost, sir.

Charleston Heston died today, and I guess they had to pry the gun off his cold hands…..It’s fitting that the Georgia Assembly passed their knuckeheaded gun law on the eve of the death of a knucklehead.

Guns are bombs. Google it. You’ll see.

By Tony

April 6, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Guns don’t just go off, people pull the trigger or people do something to get the trigger pulled. If guns just went off cops would be shooting themselves all the time since there are tens of thousands of them walking around everyday with a loaded gun on their hips. The pistol in the cockpit “went off” when the pilot was forced to install the dumb-a* trigger lock before he removed it form the cockpit per regulation. Whoever was the liberal moron that invented the trigger lock should be shot. The idea of sticking something through the trigger of a weapon to secure it is insane. If you want to make it safe you certainly don’t install an awkward device that requires 3 hands (2 pieces of the trigger lock that need to be held together while the key is turned) while passing it in front of the GO button. The pistol should be kept in the holster and the whole holster locked in a box. To all of the people that think guns have a mind of their own, they just go off and are like bombs you need to open your eyes. For years you have been feed this crap about guns being evil. If that were the case then knives, cars, 5 gallon buckets, swimming pools, bathtubs, motorcycles, airplanes, etc. would all be much more evil. The device isn’t evil, it doesn’t have a mind, it doesn’t have a soul it is just a tool. People are evil, they are stupid or both. People kill people with guns, knives, cars, etc. The gun just does what the user tells it to.

By Political Foreskin

April 6, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Your comment proved my point beyond any data I could have mined, Tony.

Thank you.

By Liberal Daisy

April 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

I don’t like guns. However, Charleston Heston was the man. He was Moses. He marched with MLK. His philosophy was cool. The right of the individual over the state. No go outside and shoot your double-wide in his honor. Rest in Peace.