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Senate to take up concealed weaponry on MARTA, but may draw the line at packing while imbibing in restaurants
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Don’t you love it when you’re right?
The Senate is a bill or two away from debating H.B. 257.
Below is the amendment that will be offered to permit holders of concealed weapons permits to carry on MARTA, but would require those who pack heat in restaurants to avoid alcohol.
Here’s the wording:
“A person licensed or permitted to carry a firearm by this part shall be permitted to carry such firearm, subject to the limitations of this part, in public transportation…provided, however, that a person shall not carry a firearm into a place prohibited by federal law.
“A person licensed or permitted to carry a firearm by this part shall not consume alcoholic beverages in a restaurant or other eating establishment while carrying a firearm. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.”



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Comments
By Joshua
April 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
I think we’re all okay with common sense gun laws. Not drinking when carrying a weapon, sensible. Carrying a weapon on a train. Not so much.
By Peter
April 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
I love it when our Legislators protect their own environment and leave the rest of us to fight it out. I’d have no problem with the “more guns, less crime” mentality if it applied to everyone. Open the State Capitol and Federal buildings to firearms traffic and I’ll endorse this nonsense.
By Jerry
April 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
Actually, this bill modification makes some sense. However, and this is coming from someone who is “pro-2nd ammendmant”, legally drunk OR taking mind altering drugs while carrying should be a mandatory 1-3 months in jail, period. Forget the fines, people don’t need to have a distorted view of reality when they have a gun in easy reach.
By Bhorsoft
April 2, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
I thought it was already against the law for a concealed carry permit holder to be carrying concealed in any establishment that serves alcohol. So part 2 of the above language is basically grandstanding by a politician.
By steve
April 2, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this
Finally we will get some common sense gun laws! Criminals are and do carry guns on MARTA and at MARTA facilities. The man shot near ansley mall this week was shot by someone waiting at a MARTA stop to ambush him.I also think its a good idea to allow people to bring guns to restaurants so long as they do not consume alcoholic beverages. What is the point of having a conceal carry permit if you can’t carry your weapon to and from a restaurant in downtown Atlanta? When are people going to understand that the vast majority of people with permits are nut gun nuts but just want to protect themselves?
By 4commonsense
April 2, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
FYI: The current law says no packing in an establishment serving alcohol…This new wording wipes that out, and says you CAN carry , but YOU may not drink while you carry in these places
By WW5
April 2, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
WHO CARES WHAT STUPID LAWS THEY WRITE ABOUT CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON. DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO PROTECT YOURSELF OR FAMILY. BETTER TO BE TRIED BY TWELVE THAN CARRIED BY SIX
By James
April 2, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this
Gun nut = coward
No way around it. All of the places they demand the bring their guns are low crime areas. Check out the crime stats for yourself instead of relying on your prejustices. OH NO, a 98 lbs black man asked me for change, I’m SCARED! MARTA, the transit system with a crime rate lower than Alpharetta and Peachtree City, scares me so much… I need to have a gun to comfort me. Maybe I’ll take it to Peachtree City to shoot those old folks in their golf cars since the crime rate is higher there. The world is so scary, please daddy, let me carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
You feel you need a gun because you’re at heart a coward and you know you’re a wimp. None of you are real men. None of you are real intelligent either since you are unable to evaluate risk and have to have someone else with an agenda do it for you.
You can reply to this however you wish, whine and protest that you aren’t a wuss but as much you bluster away, the rest of the world knows that you’re a coward. And somewhere deep down inside, you know it too and there is nothing in the world that hurts you more than that.
So get your guns, bring them with you to church, to work, to the day care center and all of the other places where you quiver in fear. No matter what you do, you’ll still be less of a man than even those living in France.
Georgia: The State of Cowards.
By steve
April 2, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this
Hey James if Georgia is the state of cowards then why live here? Doesn’t that make you a coward to?
By Susieb
April 2, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
Well James, better be a nut than an ostrich. Keep your head in the sand and see if you dont get your a* shot!! I am a woman and have carried concealed 18 years and love every minute of it. As for men being cowards, you are. If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns. It’s not the honest 2nd Amendment people who are the problem, it’s the criminals who make gun control what it is. FYI: definition of gun control: USE BOTH HANDS!!! Bet you wouldn’t mind if at Mcd’s someone was on a shooting spree and you were next and I shot and killed the suspect and saved your sorry a* now would you?. No, you would say, turn the other cheek. Please…I know the Bible in and out and lookup what God did for His people when they went to war. Glad your not my pansy neighbor or co-worker. Thank-you Jesus!!
By Buckshot Bill
April 2, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
I’m with you James. We need to eliminate guns from society.
By GA Resident
April 2, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this
James, you’re either an internet troll or you view the landscape through a very narrow set of blinders.
Here’s a question for you: Are Peace Officers cowards? I mean, they carry sidearms. Do they carry sidearms because they’re scared of life and living it? You think they carry a sidearm because they’re more likely to encounter a person with a gun than I am? Why? I walk the streets like they do. I enter businesses like they do. I drive surface streets in Atlanta like they do. Why are the odds of their needing a gun any higher than mine?
Are the armed security guards that accompany VIPs, heads of state, and guard buildings like the State Capitol cowards and, by association, those being protected cowards?
No. Firearms meet force with force. Criminals use firearms because firearms are relatively small, easily concealed and highly effective at what they do. Coincidentally, it’s for these same reasons I carry one to defend myself and others from those who would do me harm.
I carry a weapon because it’s my God-granted right that’s not to be infringed by anyone or any group who may try to repeal that liberty. I carry because crime happens every where, every day, no matter the venue or time of day; and it cannot be reliably predicted. Therefore, it’s only a matter of time before I, or someone I know, crosses paths with someone else intent on doing harm.
You’re cutesy ad hominem attack about how I fear a 98-pound pan handler doesn’t hold water… but you know that already, don’t you? A man entered a hospital in Columbus last week and murdered people there. A man shot another to death near a bank in mid-town Atlanta. I on occasion enter banks and hospitals. Why offer myself as a ready-made victim, when it’s such cheap and effective insurance to carry a sidearm to protect myself, my family and those around me?
Now - who gets to decide when it’s OK for me to protect myself, and when I have to disarm, jeopardizing my health and well-being? This building it’s OK, that building it’s a no-no? Where’s the logic in that?
Anyway, you’re apparently beyond hope or redemption. I feel sorry for you. Sorry you’re angry. Sorry you’re so afraid of people who mean you no harm that you feel compelled to ridicule them. The worst part is some day you or someone you hold dear (I won’t mention a loved one, I’m sure you’re not able to be loved) will be victimized by a violent offender, and all you’ll have is the regret that you didn’t prepare yourself as easily as I and hundreds of thousands of other Georgians have.
By Susieb
April 2, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this
Good point GA Resident. Now how about this: let the lawmakers tell the world where we can not carry guns and see what happens? It’s like when I fenced in my animals but also fenced in a wolf. Easy prey, thats right. So, if I were a criminal, I would go locked and loaded to places and prey upon the lawabidding citizens who obey the law (and who are not allowed to carry at a particular place) and make my attack. Hmmm, why not put a sign on your door: Open, no weapons here, come get me, I’m James and Buckshot Bill! Wow, Buckshot, anti-guns, why use the name Buckshot? Must be you have pellets for brains. I guess the next time this 130 lb gal goes to save someone, I’ll ask their view on gun control first!!!!
By Jerry
April 2, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this
People, Eliminate guns from society? Ever heard of the 2nd ammendment? What have you been smoking?
We all live in a real world NOT a perfect one. Alcohol was abolished and the criminal element established a foothold in society. Even bringing legal alcohol sales back didn’t undo the harm that the foolish abolisionist did. We don’t need to repeat history on that one.
By Susieb
April 2, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this
I have one more input before I go to sleep to you all: Guns debates are like religion, and racism, you can argue to the cows come home or in this case, pansy men, and never satisify everyone. I don’t have an alarm system in my fancy home because my protection sleeps next to me. No, not my husband, my .38. I have homeschooled 2 wonder children who have shot guns since they were 6 and they respect the honor it is to carry one. They are 17 and 25 now. I never go looking for trouble, but if it comes looking for me, I’m prepared like an umbrella in a rainstorm. Nite guys, sleep well, I know I will!!
By James Is An Internet Troll
April 2, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this
He’s just trying to play you people to get emotional responses.
By Buckshot Bill
April 2, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this
Put down the guns and pick up some books a little bit of knowledge could help you deal with the fear that keeps you armed and dangerous.
By Tomcat
April 3, 2008 6:03 AM | Link to this
Buckshot Bill, What great knowledge do you possess that we mere Neanderthals don’t? I do not live in fear, but I do live in reality. I’ve personally witnesses a woman being beaten up by her boyfriend because she was tired and wanted to go to bed. I chased him off, but what if he had been carrying a weapon ILLEGALLY? Well…I could have been shot or worse.
I have read a great deal. I read about some of the things that have already been mentioned. A man shot at the Marta station, two people shot in a hospital in Columbus, someone shot at an Atlanta bank. The bad people of this world have no respect for human life, mine or yours. If you want to believe that we are mentally incapable of doing otherwise, then go right ahead. But take a look at violent crime rates in Britain after they outlaws hand guns (up 40%). Look at the crime statistics of Washington DC, with it’s gun laws that are currently the toughest in the US. I’ll give you a hint…they’re sky high.
Since you think we should “pick up some books”, you need to understand one thing very clearly. We, the pistol toting public you deride as being uneducated and fearful, are the very ones who aren’t afraid to save YOUR life!
By Gary
April 3, 2008 6:07 AM | Link to this
To James:
I have heard of penis envy, but, Gun envy…
By Gary
April 3, 2008 6:11 AM | Link to this
To James, the gun envy, anti-self defense, anti-natural defense kook—Go to keepandbeararms.com and see how people of all walks of life use a gun in self-defense from predators every day.
Are you suggesting that women should not have a way to protect themselves from 200 pound brutes.
By Walt
April 3, 2008 6:38 AM | Link to this
I hope the expansion of carry permit rights passes the house and gets signed by the Governor. That would mean that I am finally legal. Why do most intercity Democrats not want you to be able to protect yourself?
By GodHatesTrash
April 3, 2008 6:45 AM | Link to this
Too bad - Susie needed a gun as a child to protect herself from the rapists in her family, and she didn’t have one.
Now she goes through her life with her p-enis in her purse, ready to inflict the pain she endured on others.
The victim becomes the perpetrator.
Thus the redneck cycle of violence continues, animals beget other animals, violence begets violence, and Georgia remains a living hell, and Georgians remain trash.
Arm the little redneck children of Georgia, and let them shoot to kill their parents. Only then will civilization finally come to Georgia.
By Walt
April 3, 2008 6:58 AM | Link to this
It’s a good thing that God loves you too. Are you a judge, or just a nobody that hates trashy rednecks with guns?
By BillW
April 3, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
God Hates Trash lives in Vermont (literally) and has some sort of hangup about Georgians and/or Southerners.
By Garry
April 3, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Is it a gun society? We need to install weapon detectors at all entrance to public facilities rather have everyone to carry a gun in defense. How many times have you heard someone shoot a guy for defense? We need limit or eliminate all guns in publice places. To all gun carriers, watch out for being shot before you even draw your guns out. Don’t we have enough fatalities on college campuses? I know gun industry is a big item for this country. Revenue and taxes are too big to be ignored, but they are built on lives having been sacrifised.
By Bazooka Bob
April 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
I don’t leave the house without a bazooka in my pick-up and 60 rounds holding up my Levi’s I got more guns then a squirrel has nuts don’t want none won”t be none but if you cross me I’ll blast. Yeah I know this sight is full of fake heroes but I’m the real deal I’ll even shoot myself if I get out of line. One time I shot a tree just for snoring. I’m a bad man with my weapons and a little girlie man without. Gun nuts you are the missing link to apes.
By Side-Arm Sally
April 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
I got to have a couple of shots of Jack Daniels to settle my nerves. The day the federal govt. takes my moonshine and side-arm is the day they can bury me upside down to kiss my rear-end. Praise Jesus God Bless the South.
By Gary
April 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
To Bazooka Bob, and By Garry—if you feel so strong about the subject, then be the strong men you say you are and put a sign in your front yard and a bumper sticker on your car that states-“THIS IS A GUN FREE ZONE”.
If you are going to talk the talk, then walk the walk.
You want do it because the only thing that keeps you alive is the predators think in the back of their minds that there may be a gun in this home, this car, or on this person.
By Gary
April 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
Bazooka Bob states: “Gun nuts you are the missing link to apes.”
This just proves that the anti-arms people are Liberals whom believe in Darwinism,thus Liberal Democrats are evolved from apes, and Conservative Republicans are created by God.
By Joe Mama
April 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this
James mood seems to indicate he’s had a recent tiff with his male lover. James, did the Gimp machine wash you’re studded leather or something??
By Bazooka Bob
April 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
I don’t lock my door at night because I don’t live in fear. I also live in nice Buckhead neighborhood without an inbred rednecks. Why don’t you put a sign in your yard stating your armed to the teeth because your scared of your shadow. I believe in God and Darwin not that it’s your business. If God created conservatives as you stated she/he must be a self-hating lunatic. Good luck sitting in church with your simple tiny mind while the World races past you and your ignorance. Please do us a favor Gary and have your tubes tied we don’t need you to procreate you sir are a dinosaur and will be extinct due to your lack of intelligence. Most likely at your hands, hence a Darwin award has got you and your ilk etched on the trophy far in advance.
By Gary
April 3, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Bazooka(bubble gum)Bob states: “If God created conservatives as you stated she/he must be a self-hating lunatic.”
Yeap, this statement refering to God as either a male or female proves that bubble gum Bob is a Liberal.
He/she still is talking about Darwinism—“Darwin award”.
Those are handed out to Liberals.
Remember it is Democrats that are below the average of intelligence.
God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
If my ape brain is working, I am sure that Father, and Son is masculine.
By Gary
April 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Bazooka(Bubble gum) Bob states: “I don’t lock my door at night because I don’t live in fear. I also live in nice Buckhead neighborhood without an inbred rednecks.”
Now we see Bob’s world-don’t lock my door at night. Go live in Bankhead Court projects and let’s see how long it will be before you lock your doors.
We all don’t live in Buchhead where Elites swap wives and play with enemas.
If men with men could bred there would be more inbreding in one night than 100 years of redneck inbreding.
Drive-by restrooms is no place for redneck, but is is a perfect place for the Buckhead crowd.
By Fertile Freida
April 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
Jesus was a black Jew and Mary was not a virgin. The bible is man’s word not God’s, so go smite yourself redneck. If your so sure of the afterlife why do you walk around with a gun won’t your precious God protect from evil-doers, shouldn’t you embrace death so you can go meet your white christian bubba god, instead of sitting on your a* and watching cars go around in a circle. Why is your God so judgmental because self-righteous blowhards like you pervert the message. Southern man nobody needs you around.
By Commander Chicken Hawk
April 3, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
George Bush: “I must say, I’m a little envious. If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed. It must be exciting for you… in some ways ROMANTIC, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You’re really making history, and thanks.”
Yo, lil george if war is so romantic why did your silver spoon hang out in Alabama sniffing Columbia’s finest and dodging the draft.
By Wackolibhack
April 3, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
It is Bush’s fault that fire arms were invented. I hate Bush!!!!
By Wackolibhack
April 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Sorry of the meds again, I get delusional and think Bush is brilliant
By Wackolibhack
April 3, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
I am off my B.D.S. (Bush Derangement Syndrome) meds, cause Bush will not make them affordable or free. Bush hates the under-medicated. It is all Bush’s fault. I hate Bush!!
By Bazooka Bob
April 3, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
wackolibhack, something tells me your a gun-owner.