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DEL.ICIO.USThe great Senate blue jean debate
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Tradition is taken seriously in the state Capitol. Lawmakers do not address themselves by name, the better to avoid fistfights. Governors may enter legislative chambers only by invitation, the better to avoid coups.
The place is also one of Atlanta’s last bastions of formal business attire, for both women and men.
Thursday saw a rare, public confrontation among lawmakers over this last point. Sen. John Bulloch, a farmer from Georgia’s southwest corner, had just taken the well to present H.B. 1027, a bill to require offenders to take certified anti-DUI courses, rather than dubious ones offered on the Internet and elsewhere.
Bulloch was dressed in a jacket, a tie, white shirt — and blue jeans with creases so sharp they could pare an apple.
State Sen. John Bulloch (R-Ochlocknee) in blue jeans on Thursday. Elissa Eubanks/AJC
Sen. Dan Moody, a Roswell engineer, got to his feet. Moody is quiet but intense. He read to Bulloch the Senate rule that requires members to act with dignity and decorum.
Listen to the entire three-minute exchange by clicking here.
But here’s a condensed version:
Moody: Senator, do we have casual day in the Senate?
Bulloch: No, sir. I think the decorum rule that you just read says that we shall be appropriately dressed.
Moody: Do you consider yourself appropriately dressed today with a pair of blue jeans on?
Bulloch: I sure do. There a hundred percent cotton, they’re clean, they’re pressed, they have a seam in ‘em, and I think they’re just as appropriate as anything else I may wear….
Moody: Senator, would you consider tabling this bill and bringing it back another day when you’re appropriately dressed?
Bulloch: No, sir, I feel that would be a waste of the great people’s time — of the state of Georgia — and especially my fellow senators in this chamber.
Moody: Senator, would you mind if I vote against this bill because of your inappropriate dress today?
H.B. 1027 passed by a vote of 36 to 12. Moody indeed voted against it. Lawmakers often go one another in tongue-in-cheek fashion from the floor, but — afterwards — the Roswell senator said this wasn’t one of those instances.
“I was very serious. We don’t let pages wear blue jeans,” Moody said. “I’m very protective of this chamber’s reputation.”
Bulloch noted that, in his part of Georgia, farmers grow cotton, not Dacron. And he’ll wear his pants whenever and wherever he sees fit.
Aside from the private — and in this case, public — condemnation by peers, enforcement of tradition at the Capitol is a chancy thing.
The late state Sen. Culver Kidd of Milledgeville was a famous, flamboyant inebriate. Zell Miller once said he could tell the time of day by the degree to which Kidd drifted from the perpendicular.
In 1992, Kidd went to the well to speak for a measure praising Mothers Against Drunk Driving. He wore a suit made from 160 cloth bags in which bottles of Crown Royal whisky were sold.
He’d had a tailor stitch the suit together. Presumably, Kidd emptied the bottles himself.
“Go get that S.O.B. off the floor,” Lt. Gov. Pierre Howard ordered Wayne Garner, then a senator but now mayor of Carrollton.
“I already looked,” Garner replied. “The rules say jacket and tie. They do not describe make or model.”
Kidd gave his speech in his Crown Royal suit. He later said he was going for irony.
Comments
By Republican Stench
March 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
Dan Moody is a flaming, blithering idiot. The man is a decayed and senile relic of long-ago time and place, and in his foolish desperation, he spent nearly $700,000 of his own money to purchase his Senate seat. He is an intellectual dwarf who humiliates his district and the state of Georgia on a daily basis. He would better serve this state if he were to volunteer his body to be ground up into catfish food. What a disgrace!
By GodHatesTrash
March 20, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this
Gawddamn hillbillies. A national disgrace, a state governed by pigs.
Trash.
By that_guy
March 20, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
wow. you guys runnin’ low on your meds?
By skewedpos
March 20, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
Four words for Moody …
Get a f*ing life.
By JY
March 21, 2008 12:36 AM | Link to this
Senator Kidd was quite a man. His campaign cups, pens and the like read “Take But Don’t Forget. Culver Kidd, Always Your Friend In Milledgeville!” One day twenty-five years ago he I found myself in his office: “Son, can I get you a drink?” “No thank you, Senator, 9 in the mornin’ a bit early for me.” The Georgia Senate was, and always will be, a colorful body.
By cnote
March 21, 2008 6:46 AM | Link to this
It would be great if they could get Neil Diamond to sing to the Legislature - in honor of Bulloch.
By Figures
March 21, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
They’re a bunch of thugs. They’re like a gang… Bullying people, getting drunk, they don’t like being dissed and will take revenge….
Thugs.
By Netta
March 21, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
WAY TO GO, SENATOR BULLOCH!!!!!!I applaud the stand you took. We need to do more to support our farmers and growers in this state/country. Seems nowadays everthing is imported making foreign farmers richer while some of our own can barely make ends meet. Dan Moody, I’m sure there are more important items on the agenda for you to argue. Stop wasting taxpayer’s time and money with such mundane “idiocrisy”.
By Buzzfan®
March 21, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
If Senator Moody is so concerned about the reputation of the chamber into which he was elected, maybe he should consider leaving it lest his hypocrisy continue to permeate the upholstery.
On his own website, he states, “Government efficiency is a goal that is not only attainable in Georgia, but should be expected. I believe that the government entity closest to the people should be the first choice when undertaking public tasks. Only if they are unable or unwilling should a larger government entity take up the task.
“In practice, the task should first be tackled by the community or city and if the city cannot handle it, then the county. Next, the state; and only if no smaller unit can possibly do the job should the federal government be considered. This is merely the application to the field of politics of that wise and time-tested principle of never asking a larger group to do that which can be done by a smaller group. It is more cost efficient and the results are tailor made for the community.”
Yet, he OPPOSES giving municipalities the ability to put a referendum on their ballot to let their residents decide whether or not to extend their already-legal package sales of alcohol to Sunday.
So, Dan….which is it? Are the local governments simply unwilling to handle this themselves, or unable?
Or maybe when it comes to matters you base on your faith, a bit of hypocrisy is warranted in your eyes.
Hmmm……
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By Buzzfan®
March 21, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
UPDATE
It seems the good Senator Moody’s website, www.moodyforgeorgia.org, is no longer active.
Oh, its registration hasn’t expired (it doesn’t until October), it merely was updated to an inactive status in November of 2007.
I wonder if that has anything to do with my use of the above quotes from it in regard to the Sunday sales issues last year. Inquiring minds…..
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By Jan R. Smith
March 21, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately, I live in Sen Moody’s District, and as a Republican, dutifully support him. I have never seen him on Lawmakers, never remember his sponsoring legislation or duting anything that would let me know he was my Senator. I support Sen Rogers, who represents Cherokee Cty. and I try to attend his monthly meetings. Should Sen Rogers decide to run for higher office, I will be pleased to support him.
By FrankLeeDarling
March 21, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
after reading the article i thought Moody ws ignorangt throwback (not because he is a farmer but because he sounds like a uptight jerk living in the past).but now i read he is apposed to letting me decide on sunday alcohol sales I will ad this unamerican jerk to my naughty list.
By JC
March 21, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Sen. John Bulloch is one of the best we have in the Senate, and that bill was a good bill. Dan Moody on the other hand, is a joke.
By Politicsisagame
March 21, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
Senator Bulloch…you go guy!! Support Ga Cotton and GA Grown! Georgia needs caring, compassionate, thoughtful, intelligent representation to help our state through these hard times. If Senator Moody’s only concern is what someone is wearing, it is time for him to go home!
By gafarmer
March 21, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Senator Bulloch is a statesman and scholar,a gentleman who has earned “Honorable” being used when addressing him.
My mother advised me to keep silent unless I had something positive to say about a person so we will not discuss Senator Moody or his actions.
By SOUTHERNCOMFORT
March 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Moody showed himself to be a self-righteous a*. Senator Bulloch took the lame attempt at insult and showed dignity and class. Moody doesn’t hold a candle to Senator Bulloch and he is lucky he didn’t get a country boy butt-kickin by Bulloch for making such childish and inappropriate remarks. Congrats to Senator Bulloch for being one of the good guys!
By John Bulluch
March 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
This is the funniest thing I have read in ages.
As somone who worked as a committee aide for Bulloch last year I am sure of two things.
He sat in his office and wrote most of the above posts coming to his defense using fake name (see how easy it is). No one respects the guy at all and most think he is a slimeball. The fact that he referred to himself as Honorable almost made me shoot coke out of my nose.
There’s a place for everything. I wore jeans to class today but I don’t to church nor do I plan to when I get married. Abiding by certain traditions shows that you have respect for those who came before you and that you respect others.
I guess the lack of respect and attention that Bulloch gets has angered up his blood. He reminds me of Britney Spears. If no one pays attention to him for a decent reason, he’ll start acting like an idiot until he is noticed. I hope he at least stops before the crotch shots begin.
Note to Bulloch: now it’s time for you to log in again with one of your fake names and attack me.
By Goat Farmer
March 21, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
I say pig farmer do not bring that pig poop around here we got standards ya see only grade goat poop
By Barnaby Jones
March 21, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Maybe he just misunderstood, kinda like Brit and you and me so lighten get your pannies out of a whad and have a coke and a smile
By GaVoter
March 21, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this
Mr. Bulloch,
If I ever have the privilege to meet you, I will gladly address you as Mr. Senator — especially if you have on those sharply pressed jeans.
As for you, Mr. Moody,
Does your last name give one any indication of your attitude? Well, speaking as one engineer to another, GET A LIFE — preferably something outside of government, you ….Well, we know what you are.
By One who knows...
March 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this
I don’t know if anyone realizes it but most comments posted on AJC are written by paid lobbyist pretending to be someone else. Most of them are angry the Senator Moody feels that tradition and dignity still have a place in Georgia politics. That’s why he is against both Sunday liquor sales and members who think the appropriate dress rules don’t apply to them. I know for a fact that Senator Moody speaks personally to all of his constituents who need help and that he has sponsored dozens of important bills from creating the cities of Johns Creek and Sandy Springs to protecting special needs children to retooling Georgia’s educational system. Check for yourself http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/mbrs/moodydan56th.htm
No doubt the reasons above, coupled with the fact that he doesn’t bow down to lobbyists, even the ones who are paid to write untrue and hateful accusations on the AJC (while pretending to be “concerned citizens”), are why he was named as legislator of the year by Governor Perdue and elected as the Chairman of the Republican Caucus after serving for only 4 years in the Senate. As someone who has worked at the Capitol for years, although never for Senator Moody, I wish we had more like him.
By Brad
March 21, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this
If the members of the General Assembly had any idea of how they are percieved outside of the capitol dome they would immediately put aside their ego for the betterment of the state. As for Sen. Moody — Please quit wasting the tax payers time.
By RJ
March 21, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this
By One who knows… How do you know what you assert?
“I don’t know if anyone realizes it but most comments posted on AJC are written by paid lobbyist pretending to be someone else.”
Its one thing to defend someone and quite another in the process to make the kind of bold assertion you have made. Please share your proof?
By Doug Craig
March 22, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this
Some one could verify the Ip Addresses.You could at least tell if it is the same computer
By Will Jones
March 22, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this
Moody’s type conforms to that which the narrow, sclerotic “old” perceive as the vested “power” interests, oblivious to the genuine good and right. He is a “proper” philistine, devoid of fashion sense, utility or manners, and should excuse himself from public office.
By Stephen Croft
March 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
It’s nice to see my taxpayer dollars going to waste so my Senators can sit on their computers and have a p*ing match on the AJC.
Why don’t you do something productive with your time like pass HB89?
By Dogen
March 22, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
JY: You and I ought to share Culver Kidd stories. His “tea time” was infamous. He had a whole file cabinet in his office that served as his bar. Those old guys were colorful, but they ran the state in a competent manner compared to the crowd up there today. “Off the cuff” tax proposals without doing the math, ill thought out major legislation, extremist religious mandates - the state is run by snake handlers and petty flim flam artists.
By Jennifer
March 22, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
These comments are ridiculous! I own a therapy company that works with children who have special needs, and thanks to Sen. Moody for sponsoring the SB507, and supporting legislation that holds the state accountable for upholding and protecting the rights of children with special needs. SB507 ensures that all services that are medically nessesary are covered! Thanks to Sen. Moody for sponsoring bills that support Georgia’s children!
By BadOleBoys
March 22, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this
If you feel a need to debate an important issue, then go to www.ngass.com and read up on the harm your past deliberations are having on people’s lives. Try thinking about how your actions affect others. Stop acting like little children. Grow up and own up to your mess that you created. FIX IT.
By BadOleBoys
March 22, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
As one who knows enough (by simply reading the exchange between the two Senators), Moody is behaving more childishly than Bulloch. If Moody has the degrees to go with the title of engineer, then he should know better than to base his vote on another’s attire. Doesn’t he get it?
By Will Jones
March 22, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this
So Moody’s “Jennifer’s” boy because he puts Georgians’ money in her pocket? Great “reason” to support a philistine politician, “Jennifer.” I’m sure “Jennifer” is working hard to make sure the parents and caretakers messing up the children are held accountable, too?
By Proud of South GA
March 23, 2008 1:50 AM | Link to this
I hope that Sen. Bulloch continues to wear his creased blue jeans in the chamber. Please, Sen. Bulloch do not let this idiot from the metro change your dress attire. His people in the metro area might like those fancy suits, however in South Georgia your creased blue jeans are the classest attire and is accepted by all. The GREAT Late Henry Reaves has worn jeans in the chambers, not only with his white shirt and sports jacket, he had his cowboy hat included in his attire. Lester Maddox wore creased jeans in the chambers. Those jeans are probably more expensive than 1/2 of the pants worn on the chamber floor.
That metro fashion wantabee needs to do his homework regarding blue jeans on the chamber floor.
By SophieM
March 23, 2008 2:19 AM | Link to this
Jesus was born in a barn among the farm animals. He wore flip flops, robe and long hair. I wonder what Mr. Moody would say to Jesus if Jesus was on the chamber floor presenting his story? Hello?????
It could sound something like this “I’m not sure if I can agree with you Jesus, maybe if you could come again another day in proper attire, I might believe you, however your attire is not appropriate today.”
Not meaning to be harsh, however in this day in age so much emphasis has been put on what people wear rather than what they represent.
In my church, people come in what they have, it may be a 3 piece suit or a pair of shorts with t-shirts, and yes blue jeans, some creased and some wrinkled for the men. Ladies wear beautiful dress, some wear jeans and tennis shoes. In Jesus eyes, everyone is the same, it is what we do within that matters, not what we are on the outside.
Sen. Bulloch, please keep up the great work you do for our state, we need more like you and less like Mr. Moody.
By Will Jones
March 23, 2008 4:13 AM | Link to this
There’s plenty to be proud of all over Georgia. Just because south Georgia’s finest is dressing like the nattiest Buckhead clotheshorse doesn’t make the nouveau-riche white-trash Moody a product of Metro Atlanta…or even the Great State of Georgia.
BTW, Bulloch may dress well but what’s he done lately to save Our Jekyll Island from the draft-dodging, pervert traitor’s pal, Mercer Reynolds?
By GA Resident
March 23, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Sen. Moody - If you’ve got a problem with someone’s apparel, walk over to his/her office and have your discussions in private.
If you’ve got a genuine problem with the offending member’s legislation, then by all means make your opinion known on the Senate floor.
But to decry a piece of legislation because you’re a “fashionista” is disingenuous to what you’re supposed to be doing on behalf of your constituents (like me).
We have spoken this year in your office about the benefits of both HB915 and HB89, but you and your brethren in the Senate find it more important to punish the lower chamber for their audacity to amend the Senate’s bill.
Let’s put petty fashion advice and pride away, and pass some legislation that bucks the status quo of failure and criminal empowerment: give Georgians HB89 as amended.
By BeerStein
March 24, 2008 5:26 AM | Link to this
So, let’s get this straight, Senator Moody decided that it was okay to vote against a bill that would have improved the state’s efforts to fight DUI (particularly DUI recidivism) in order to make a point about ATTIRE? Is this really the best this state can do? This is so depressing it’s beyond comprehension. Moody is a complete clown - a pompous gasbag of the highest order. Adhering to tradition even at the cost of common sense - brilliant.
By Adam Speir
March 24, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
I’ll say this, folks who don’t think too highly of themselves, which are rare to find in Atlanta or in the State legislature, should realize that its not the clothes that make the man (or woman). Short of blatantly violating Senate rules, these types of “issues” don’t matter! Sen. Bulloch answers to his constituents, not his fellow Sen. Moody. And 99% of Sen. Bulloch’s constituents don’t have a problem with what he was wearing. He could show up to church, a funeral, or anywhere else for that matter and be considered well-dressed. So I highly doubt Sen. Bulloch gives a rip what the “gentleman” from Roswell says, thinks, or does.
More people need to be true to themselves, and while they’re at it, they need to get some work done under the dome!
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