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By Jon Ingram

October 15, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Im all for the Governor thumbing his nose and sending the national guard after the feds, but it’s not water that is the problem. Atlanta is the problem. It’s too big, has ground beyond its natural limitations (by stealing water from the rest of North Georgia mind you) and needs to shrink.

By Just Thinking

October 15, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Maybe we should give anyone downstream the water when we are finished with using it. They on the other hand can do the same.

If the reactors cooling system is too small, then maybe it should be enlarged or made into a closed circuit (those fish don’t like the hot water).

If the fisherman want to keep their brackish water catch health maybe they should invest in keeping the limited fresh water separate from the salt water (i.e., a dam in the bays mouth.

North Georgia has properly invested in a controlled water supply that does not just run down the “Drain”; and why should we not be able to enjoy the benefit for doing so and not have to share with those that have not planned for the future, but wish to control what is not theirs.

If this argument does not work then fire one shot over the dam and let take it at dawn.

By D B Hamby

October 15, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Atlanta is so totally different from the rest of the state, the rest of the state should secede from and become the state of Georgia and Atlanta should become a separate state in itself.

By J.M. Berz

October 15, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Actually I think Boortz is correct, true the area is over built butthe fact we all miss is that when the lake runs dry , there will be no water for the endangered speicies, We are teh endangered species now and something has to be done , IE no more building and taking over the dam

By Tim

October 16, 2007 12:10 AM | Link to this

Man>>>I did not realize the water problem was so serious over there until it hit the media a couple of weeks ago. Being in Idaho,living at a ski resort town at 5000 ft>>>we have all the water we ever will need.I appreciate it now more than ever!! I mean WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU GOING TO DO? You’ll be spending more on water in the next few months from thousands of oppourtunists trucking in water than you do on electricity.A major metropolitan area in the U.S. possibly without water. uNtHiNkaBle.

By Michael Besal

October 16, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

So Jon Ingram, Atlanta needs to “shrink”? How about helping us out and being the next person to move elsewhere.

By CBL

October 16, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

I lived in Europe for a period of time and I must say though they smell worse than us, they dont water lawns, they dont wash cars, they dont take 20 minute showers, and they pay much more for their water than we do. The only thing that will curb our demand for this resource is significantly raising the price, just like the price for other resources like natural gas, gasoline, heating oil, electricity. Water is a globally renewable resource, but locally, it is finite in this kind of a situation. Let the free market regulate supply and solve the supply problem.

By Jon Ingram

October 16, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Michael Besal, I dont live in Atlanta. I live elsewhere in North Georgia and Atlanta steals water from the rest of us. They call it ‘inter-basin transfer.’

And CBL, youre right. The problem with the water system is that it is goverment ran, be that Corp of Engineers, City of Atlanta, or State of Georgia.

By reggie

October 16, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Atlanta has not had the sewage or water capacity suitable for it’s growing population for awhile. Demand is greater than the supply. A moratorium against new building/development needs to be put in place until supply is up.

By TrailBoss

October 16, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

If CBL likes the way things are done in Europe, Delta is ready when he is! Thank God we are not Europe!

The dam system is doing exactly what is it suppose to do; hold water when it is flooding, and maintain a constant flow when times are dry from the “reserve pool” - It’s functioning exactly as it was designed.

The Corps did, however, let WAY too much water out this spring, and will not admit it’s mistake. They do need to worry more about water for PEOPLE instead of what the environmentalist tell us. The insignificant animal life that may suffer does not compare to my mother who needs a drink of water!

We need to get rid of many of our environmental restrictions; these kinds of people are in control of way too much these days, from energy, transportation, and development, to farming and personal activities on private property.

We cannot even build a wall to protect our borders because of these idiots. It’s time to take back our rights from the darter snail, America!

By Victor Jones

October 16, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Do you guys ever sleep? A radio in your ear, pen in your hand and a tv on around the clock is not a good example to set for mental health in georgia journalism. Just cease and desist before you cause a tin foil shortage, please, thank you.

By Tony

October 16, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Don’t blame the Corps of Engineers for the water problem. This is the result of rampant, uncontrolled growth running headfirst into environazi-sponsored law of protection. Its really simple: Stop ALL building, all of it, regardless of status until the water is back; also, repeal some of these envirowhacko-sponsored laws that place crustaceans ahead of humans.

By Derek B

October 16, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Who shot Boo?

By Craig

October 16, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

It’s all about money. Politicians have been lining their pockets with money from developers all while forgetting to do what else is needed during these periods of growth. More development means more people means more need for water, sewer, power, etc. So while the good ol’ boys have been in the smoke filled rooms laughing it up nothing has been done to increase infrastructure and utilities.

These politicians should operate on a formula that X level growth is only allowe if X level infrastructure is created. Infrastructure should actually be increasing at a greater rate than growth.

Someone pull a FOIA move and see what the Guvnah’s mansion utilities rates are. What are they using over there?

By Sri Menon

October 16, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Folks,

How about some diplomacy on the part of the state govt of Georgia — why don’t we request the counties in Florida and Alabama to impose mandatory watering restrictions? My understanding is that Alabama has imposed “voluntary” restrictions, which is a farce. Could the Governor or his representatives initiate some dialogue with their counterparts in AL and FL? They need to help their neighbors in this time of distress.

By Big G

October 16, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Why shouldn’t the releases be based on the weather pattern? In other words, in a drought w/o dams, the flow would be severely reduced. The mussels would have to adapt or perish. The purpose of the dams is to prevent flooding, not to plah God with wildlife.

By Big G

October 16, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Why shouldn’t the releases be based on the weather pattern? In other words, in a drought w/o dams, the flow would be severely reduced. The mussels would have to adapt or perish. The purpose of the dams is to prevent flooding, not to play God with wildlife.

By Crapper

October 16, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Someone better be thinking 3, 5, etc, years down the road. This ain’t going away soon. Take the dam. It’s your lives and future at stake.

By Parched in Cumming

October 16, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

. . . I always used to underestimate the effectiveness of using a frequently repeated message to sway public opinion, whether or not the message is factual and true. No More.

Reading these and the much more numerous responses on the “shorter showers” blog elsewhere on this site, it is clear that most people, by widespread margin, believe the water problem is due to overuse and too much regional growth, and the solution lies in increasing mandated conservation measures and greater restrictions. Of course, this is the message carried down from the mount. (read mass media)

It is some comfort to see a few more posts today from those who can actually see the man behind the curtain, the one with his hand on the floodgates. As long as that government wizard artificially keeps the Chattahoochee at full non-drought flow rates, Atlanta’s vital fluids will continue to speed right through, leaving the drying Lake Lanier available for reforestation, or, more likely, additional WalMarts and Home Depots. Preventing citizens from capturing (using) some of that flow via their municipal water systems contributes absolutely ZERO benefit to water conservation. Instead, we simply end up standing on the riverbank and bidding it bon voyage.

Being a bit of an optomist, I believe our state or federal government will eventually shake off the coma, regain a spine, and halt the cold water hemmorhage from Lake Lanier before our taps run dry.

Being a bit of a realist, I fear we will find our home water meter usage forcefully rationed and heavily limited instead.

Either way, my thoughts now involve finding a way to enjoy large quantities of those pesky endangered mussels with garlic butter sauce and a cold beer. . . .

By bill

October 16, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Remember folks that the corps are sending 35 times the water needed for power and barge traffic. When the lake goes dry the flow will be at a much lower rate than the minimum proposed - and power generation at the power plant(s) will cease. Holding a hard line to protect the mussels may just guarantee the worst case scenario. As for population, the density Atlanta is more spread out than many other cities that are built on marsh land or desert environments. Add this to the many failed projects of the corps - beach reclamation, levies, and erosion control.

By Mike

October 16, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Tim in Idaho: When we run out of water we’ll be moving to Idaho. And, we’ll bring the dang yankees with us. Get ready for your property values to skyrocket and to have to endure terrible drivers on your roads.

By toy30604

October 16, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

What… Do the Corp of Engineers live someplace else. Are they in a frozen arctic fortress. Are they Superman and will bring in water from some place else? Corp of Engineers… you better pray for and receive a yes answer for rain or you will no longer be part of the solution. BTW, if Congress is not helpful to our problem… We will track them, as sometime they will travel through the Atlanta Airport and we’ll take them out to the Lanier Desert.

By Bernard

October 16, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Let’s see W deny Global Warming exists. I find it ironic that states like Georgia helped elect that criminal :)

By Bk @ U Bernard

October 16, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Bernard or Mr/Ms Bernard (whatever…) it is ghastly that u hv been “herded” to the point that u hv apparently evoled from human to lemming; no longer capable of thinking an independant thought; hate it 4 u dude or dudette.

By Churchill

October 16, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

The globe is warming. It has warmed and cooled since formed. We could not heat this thing up, if we wanted to. We could only cool it, maybe, by polluting to the point where it cools off. And I doubt that we could to do that. The Sun is responsible for the increases and decreases in the temp. of the planet. Always had always will. Guess what. In twenty years the big story will be global cooling. This deal runs in cycles.

Hey if global warming caused Hurricane Katrina, why haven’t we had a bunch of massive hurricanes this season or last? Go ahead environmentalist-wackos, let me have it.

By Joe

October 16, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

If Neal Boortz can’t even spell the word “news” why should anyone - even in Geogia - listen to him? Maybe the Corp can use him as a cornerstone for the new dam…

By wayne

October 16, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Ya’ll better hope the water doesn’t run out. If so, alot of people WITH guns will be picking them up & going out. Water will be found. People will be shot. Natural fact. Then, you can blame local politicos for overbuilding, and the state for doing nothing. Me? I’ll be getting water, one way or another.

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October 16, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

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By Getting_Thirsty

October 16, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this

The problem has been compounded by massive over development in an area of 80 plus jurisdictions. The all local governments in the Atlanta Regional Commission Area still continue to approve re-zoning, special land use permits, and issue building permits to satisfy their corporate and local business masters. A novel of untold volumes could be written on those relationships. Hardly any real impact fees imposed on developers to fund development water reservoirs or water recycling facilities. Let’s not even go into the traffic and school over crowding nightmares that have been created. Once again I expect it will be left to the tax payer to flip the bill to fix the mess. What a place! Where else can you go where the tax payer gets to subsidize private property investment projects!

By Tom

October 16, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

The real problem has nothing to do with consumption of water by the Atlanta metro area. The real problem is that the Corp of Engineers releases far more than one billion gallons of water daily( that’s billion with a ‘b’) down the Chattahoochee. This is far more than is coming into the lake in drought conditions and as far more than should be released. If the Corp released what comes into the lake during a drought there would be no problem. Be sure to thank the next Sierra Club member for their efforts at strangling the Atlanta area.

By getalife

October 16, 2007 10:06 PM | Link to this

Tried to get that gop hack wingnut wooten to write about this.

Like the levees in N.O., the corp is screwing you GA.

By Georgia Rebel

October 16, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

Tell the Carpet Baggin’ Yankees to go home and quit drinkin our water!

By Hugh

October 17, 2007 12:23 AM | Link to this

Boo got shot?

By Churchill

October 17, 2007 12:38 AM | Link to this

By a big ole gun. I mean a big ole gun.

By bubba3freshwatercatfish

October 17, 2007 4:18 AM | Link to this

As a native Georgian, who in their right mind would come to GA if it were not for Atlanta. Who would want to live in Dublin, GA, south georgia, where the ignorant varments think its 1945 and idiolize Jed Clampett. Situations like this only show just how bigot this state really is. The Atlanta metro problem is leadership, not forseeing the impact of double digit growth, especially after the Olympics. Additional reserviors should have been built in the 90’s. You can’t add 2 million people and still depend on the water source designed in the 1950’s and any rednect would or should understand that. Blame Atlanta for everything, is a fools cop out.

By Billy Bob

October 17, 2007 5:03 AM | Link to this

Wow- seems like everyone is really worried real bad about water levels in Lake Lanier. Its funny that no one in metro Atlanta cared or even said a word when the Corps totally drained West Point Lake and Lake Eufaula this past summer. All the time the Corps held back the water in Lanier while those lakes were drained. Now everyone is having a hissy fit. I guess there really are 2 Georgia’s.

Why, our own state and federal governments, nor the Atlanta media can even get the words “West Point Lake” out of thier mouths. Those poor people in LaGrange and Eufaula took the hit for metro Atlanta all summer long and saw the destruction of thier local economies tied to the lakes, so Atlanta could float their precious boats on thier backyard lake. I doubt those folks to the south who had thier businesses and investments destroyed have much pity for “Atlanta”.

Ever want to see a neat site- watch the Corps flushing your beloved “Lake Lanier” water through West Point Dam on its way to Florida every afternoon. Makes Niagara Falls look like a desert.

When is anyone going to investigate the Panama City field office of the US Fish and Wildlife Service? They’re the ones that started this mess. Does the law need to be changed or does someone need to just start asking questions about the actions and processes used to implement the so called IOP??????

By John

October 17, 2007 5:41 AM | Link to this

Why not turn the operation of all the dams on the ‘Hooch over to Georgia Power?? Look at all the Ga Power lakes in Georgia: All FULL or near full!

By Voldemort

October 17, 2007 6:28 AM | Link to this

Purdue hasn’t got the spine to do anytthing more dramatic than to call John Paul Woodley, the (chauvanist) Undersecretary of the Army for Civil Works and Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne and request their waiving the current water-release policy under the Endnagered Species Act until the pending supply crisis is over.

In fact, under the Endnangered Species Act, that’s all he really needs to do. It really is THAT simple and the 15-minutes of media frenzy will be over! So pick-up the phone Sonny!

By Wyatt

October 17, 2007 6:46 AM | Link to this

We have too many people in the Atlanta area!

We are taxing the natural resources of this area, water and air are being polluted. Water is and will be a scarce resource. Even if/when we get past this crisis, we will face it again in the near future.

Stop the rush to develop.

Stop illegal aliens from overcrowding our schools, highways, hospitals, jails, courts. Chain migration will only make this situation worse.

By fred

October 17, 2007 7:09 AM | Link to this

Why not take the 10,000 acres that the city of Atlanta bought in north Ga. several years ago to build a second airport and build another reservoir? We wouldn’t be able to support a second ariport if we don’t have the water anyway. Also build other reservoirs in other north ga. counties.

By doolittle

October 17, 2007 7:22 AM | Link to this

Come on, mussels are molluscs, not crustaceans, and its the snail darter (a fish), not the darter snail, and there are no snail darters involved here anyway. The Corps is legally bound to protect these species. Why do you blame the Corps, why not ask Congress to change the Endangered Species Act?

By AM

October 17, 2007 7:25 AM | Link to this

The federal government thinks that sturgeons and mussels should come first over human life? The feds seem to represent everyone and everything except US citizens. And the only representation we have is the Chamber of Commerce. The same group that has influenced legislation for overbuilding and illegal immigration, both causing our resources to be hastily depleated, with no intelligent solution to the problem they caused and are still causing.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 7:46 AM | Link to this

Well, we all know that Atlanta has overbuilt, causing over population, thus requiring more water.This is true for the whole metro area. Aren’t there any other cities that would like more subdivisions, more strip malls. more shopping centers? I hope so. I thought Shirley Franklin would curb the overdevelopement, but I think she is adding to the problem. How many more buildings do we need in Atlanta? By the way, how are developers able to get what they want, no matter what the problems they cause? Why aren’t they governed by any laws?

By Charles

October 17, 2007 7:59 AM | Link to this

I’m willing to bet whoever is in charge at the Army Corp of Engineers believes Al Gore’s lies. My guess is that like any Liberal nutcase he/she’s using the drought problem worse to help their own argument about ‘global warming’ - or, is it ‘global climate changes’ these days?

By toy30604

October 17, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

While the lakes are low… would it be a good time to dredge for a better lake bottom Move that silt out, make it deeper, move some stumps, high places. Corp of Engineers… get to engineering leave the faucet to the civilians.

By smearjay

October 17, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

I give it 3 months and this will turn into a “Racial Issue” you just wait and see…. Smearjay

By David

October 17, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

How come GA Republicans will support invading Iraq over Oil that is not theirs, but wont invade Florida over water that is?

By Tim McDaniel

October 17, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

I may be way off base here, and I know this idea would take years to pull off, but why not pump water from the Mississippi over here? Have a study done to find the cheapest/ closest area, a river that flows into the Mississippi maybe and put in a 48 inch pipe. Make Alabama and Florida split the cost with us. It would probably be cheaper than the current lawsuits that they have been fighting for years on the amount of water everyone can take out.

Anyone else got an idea?

By AM

October 17, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Maybe since the corps is sending water out of Lake Lanier downstream we should simply make another lake downstream and build our own dam and then we could control that process and not the federal imperialistic government of business that represents everyone and everything except the legal US citizens.

By cletus

October 17, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

quit breeding you idiots. raus with the mexican breeders,all 14 million,pronto!! go after the Banksters,Developers,sleezy politicians,publish their home addresses,act!!

By Aghast

October 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

All this is just a precursor to a government money-grab. Here’s how it will work: Water shortage exists, so govt. will impose a substantial price increase on water to discourage use. Forget the fact that most of us mortals don’t really over-use water, but we’ll pay anyway.

As for the water flow, we should forget about whatever is endangered down south, a worry about humans for a change.

By Delerious

October 17, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Hey CBL, I, too, “lived in Europe for a period of time.” I beg to disagree about “them” smelling worse than “us.” Who’s “us”, anyway - I can think of a lot of people and places in GA that smell worse - or differently bad. Europeans don’t have to water lawns as much because most have smaller lawns, if they have lawns at all. But they do wash cars, and those who can afford the cost of taking 20-minute showers often do so. While I would agree that Europeans conserve MUCH MORE natural resources than people in the southern US, the idea of markets solving the energy problem is a little off. But that’s another story altogether.

By Bill B.

October 17, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

I think you (in Georgia) have a problem. Once water is moved from one state to another and a downstream dependency established, the Federal Courts by and large will require the continued delivery of that water. That is regardless of the negative impact on the upstream state. It’s happed in western states, and it very well could happen there.

By Crapper

October 17, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Have an escape plan folks….it’s only going to get worse

By Will Jones

October 17, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Annuit Coeptis - “Divine Providence Blesses Our Endeavors” But we’re in the middle of a drought arguing about water supply when G-d could bring us more than we need or wish. We’re supposed to be righteous, on the “flip side” of Our Motto, but a homosexual draft-dodger, cheated into the White House by only the Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court, committed 9/11 and got away with it because he’s working for the same Anti-Christ his father was working for when he killed John Kennedy to keep us in Vietnam…the same Anti-Christ his grandfather was working for when he financed the rise of Adolf Hitler - the same Anti-Christ Thomas Jefferson, America’s Founder, identified in 1810.

All civilization pivots on urban culture. America, the New Israel, has been usurped by “Babylon” “the city on seven hills:” Rome. The same families, descended from caesars and popes, known in Europe as the Black Aristocracy, use Rockefeller as their bank for the largest cashflow in history, and the Bushes have fronted for them since Standard Oil was built on unredressed murder and arson five generations ago. Now their Council on Foreign Relations, over both parties, twists America to Rome’s and Rockefellers’ purposes: enslavement and fascist plutocracy.

Atlanta’s destiny is to be the New Jerusalem, once the True Americans of the South realize forces greater than Roman Catholic Sherman are leading us, in betrayal of the G-d of America, to destruction. The rest of The Nation will follow if we turn to the Path of Righteousness and refuse to allow the human refuse following the Closet-Queen-in-Chief to cow us into submission to treason and lies.

Bush did 9/11. Hillary serves the same interests and is not a person of integrity. Only G-d is righteous and we must turn from the corruption consuming us. All our righteous endeavors will then be blessed.

By waiting on 2008

October 17, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

We need another couple of dams and thats a fact. I used to love Lanier but will not go near it now. Its not fit for man or beast.

As I watch this city grow I dont understand why they have not covered this growth as well. The politicals in office only care about one thing, thats their wallet. I dont care which one your talking about.

God, I agree is looking down and he is not liking what he sees. The government has pulled God from us and heres the results. Like or not, the entire government needs removed and we need to start over, with the real constitution. Not the one they have created over the years. The true constition of this United States. Put some leaders in who will serve and protect, not rob (social security) and destroy. Enough is enough.

By Crapper

October 17, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

See what I mean?

By hubergal

October 17, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Here’s a suggestion: drive up W. Paces, and see how many lawns contain dead grass. I run through Sonny’s neighborhood on a regular basis, as well as many of the more affluent neighborhoods in Atlanta. The grass on my lawn is dead, yet these people have nice, green beautiful lawns. They water their lawns regularly-I’ve seen the sprinklers going every week. Not only that, I see lots of office parks watering their grounds-the worst part? Much of the water is going straight onto the streets and sidewalks. Rich folks are thumbing their noses at the water restrictions every day, and they’re asking me to take shorter showers? PUH-LEASE!!!!!!

By Lawnman

October 17, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

hubergal….are you suggesting we kill all the grass at the Governor’s Mansion? Thats un-Georgian.

Build more lakes and quit your crying. The lake was nearly this low several years ago and it came back up. Believe it or not a drought is part of a natural cycle.

By Shirley Franklin is too blame?

October 17, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 7:46 AM | Link to this

“Well, we all know that Atlanta has overbuilt, causing over population, thus requiring more water.This is true for the whole metro area. Aren’t there any other cities that would like more subdivisions, more strip malls. more shopping centers? I hope so. I thought Shirley Franklin would curb the overdevelopement, but I think she is adding to the problem. How many more buildings do we need in Atlanta? By the way, how are developers able to get what they want, no matter what the problems they cause? Why aren’t they governed by any laws?”

*Glenn is a typical redneck who wants to give Atlanta less credit than it deserves for bringing Georgia out of the dark ages and more blame than it deserves for the problems in this state. Glenn, what you said about Shirley Franklin is a testament to your ignorance. She has no POWER OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. The city of Atlanta has about 10% of the metro areas total population. Sure they use more water, but consider how many people visit Atlanta and work there each day. The real problem over developement by stupid county commissioners(Gwinnett,Cobb,Forsyth,Cherokee) that are in bed with developers and the Republican party. Also, the Hooch is polluted because of over developement in the Atlanta suburbs. The thing is so many of you don’t take water shortages and water pollution seriously because you’re so brainwashed by talk radio that teaches you that all the problems in the world are caused by liberals or people that worship in a different way than you. The water problem and pollution problems were mostly caused by conservatives. The funny thing is conservative make fun of efficent toilets and shower heads. It’s funny when people who try to clean up the hooch and raise awareness they’re labeled as environazi wackos. The problem of over developement and pollution will continue to get worse to a breaking point because conservatives are too greedy to stop the madness. When that happens you all will find a way to blame liberals. Neil Boortz and company will once again tell you what to think and say and you won’t accept the fact this problem is mostly the fault of conservatives.

By wood

October 17, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Buy a house at Big Canoe. Lots of houses available, and they have their own water supply.

By Neal (that's how he spells it)

October 17, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

To: Shirley Franklin is to blame @ 7:46 AM:

So Neal (yes, that’s how he spells it) Boortz is to blame for the water shortage? Wow, I didn’t realize he was an elected official. If Neal is responsible for the shortage then that makes you a victim, right? Of course, that’s what you wanted.

How many “efficient toilets and shower heads” will it take to solve our water problem? Answer: There aren’t enough. Funny how liberals’ way of dealing with the shortage of something (water, oil, power) doesn’t include producing more of the product.

Conservation techniques will slow the draining of Lanier, but absent more water (either through rain or by sending less water from Lanier), we are simply postponing the inevitable.

Railing against development, developers and the like is a popular Democrat thing. But our country is growing—it always is. If you are anti-development then you believe that the police power of government should be used to tell people where to live. Using the police power of government is another popular Democrat theme.

Georgia has been run by Democrats most of the time and water shortages aren’t new.

To blame this situation on Neal (yes, that’s how he spells it) Boortz or conservatives proves once again that Liberals don’t understand economics or how to use the powers of government consistent with our founders’ wishes.

By the way, to which branch of government does Neal (yes, that’s how he spells it) Boortz belong?

By DUH

October 17, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

There are a lot of issues here:

1) Over development and poor infrastructure planning. It’s all about the money, DUH. 2) We’re just now putting together a water plan, DUH. 3) We waste water. Watering our damn grass. How stupid is that? DUH 4) We are totally behind the program of using gray water and rain water for outside use. Hell, it’s against code in most places. DUH. 5) We use drinking water quality water to irrigate, wash cars, etc. DUH. 6) We didn’t even bother to put a water restriction in place until it was too late, DUH.

For those of us who are Georgia residents and especially in metr Atlanta, this is serious.

We are in dire need of some leadership that can think in terms of the future.

We as citizens need to take this seriously and vote the right people in office and do our part to conserve!!!!

By june_baby

October 17, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

I see a lot of people are blaming the city of atlanta(not metro)for causing the water shortage. what a joke. instead of blaming the counties of COBB, GWINNETT, DEKALB, N FULTON, FORSYTH, AND OTHERS, with their uncontrolled growth. the populations in these counties have grown 10-50 fold, in the last twenty years. atlanta has added about 50,000 people in the same time frame. i knew it wouldn’t be long before the rednecks started to blame ATLANTA/SHIRLEY FRANKLIN, while giving all these county officials a free pass. that’s typical of what happens in this state all the time. what’s next? maybe the city is preventing it from raining or causing all the traffic on ga 400.! let SHIRLEY talk with the govs of fla. and alabama, and the tri-state water wars would be over in a heartbeat. what else can you expect from someone named SONNY, WHO WAS INEFFECTUAL AS A DEMOCRAT AND EVEN WORSE AS A MONEY GRUBBING, PENNY PINCHING, MORALLY CORRUPT, HYPOCRITICAL REPUBLICAN. all republicans should have their b@ttholes sewed up, so they can quit spreading so much sh@t. oh! btw take zig-zag zell with you.

By june_baby

October 17, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

I see a lot of people are blaming the city of atlanta(not metro)for causing the water shortage. what a joke. instead of blaming the counties of COBB, GWINNETT, DEKALB, N FULTON, FORSYTH, AND OTHERS, with their uncontrolled growth. the populations in these counties have grown 10-50 fold, in the last twenty years. atlanta has added about 50,000 people in the same time frame. i knew it wouldn’t be long before the rednecks started to blame ATLANTA/SHIRLEY FRANKLIN, while giving all these county officials a free pass. that’s typical of what happens in this state all the time. what’s next? maybe the city is preventing it from raining or causing all the traffic on ga 400.! let SHIRLEY talk with the govs of fla. and alabama, and the tri-state water wars would be over in a heartbeat. what else can you expect from someone named SONNY, WHO WAS INEFFECTUAL AS A DEMOCRAT AND EVEN WORSE AS A MONEY GRUBBING, PENNY PINCHING, MORALLY CORRUPT, HYPOCRITICAL REPUBLICAN. all republicans should have their b@ttholes sewed up, so they can quit spreading so much sh@t. oh! btw take zig-zag zell with you.

By Mike

October 17, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Thanks Churchill…It’s about time someone brought up the sun. There wouldn’t be ANYTHING warm without the sun, and it has a lot more power over this planet that we humans ever could!

By Mike

October 17, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Will Jones, get some help…

By SpaceyG

October 17, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Would just LOVE to help out! I can probably round up about 6 re-enactors after soccer practice on Saturday. Think we’ll need any more than that? Please let the team mom know in advance though so she can place the extra seat in the mini-van.

By History Lesson

October 17, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

One of the blame Atlanta/liberals first folks brought up that Georgia was run by Democrats for most of it’s history. That is true, but Georgia has NEVER had a liberal Democrat majority. The southern Dixiecrats that ran Georgia in the 1950’s and 1960’s bore little resemblance to the national Democratic party. The Republican Party was able to be competitive in Georgia in Presidential elections starting with Goldwater’s opposition to Civil Rights in 1964 and Nixon’s “Southern Strategy.” The problem for Republicans at that time was there wasn’t a GOP at the local level outside of the Atlanta area. Most people took Democratic ballots in primaries until the 1990’s. In rural Georgia conservative candidates had to run as Democrats in local and statewide elections well into the 1980’s. In my rural home county(Which went 71-29 for Bush in 2004)a local Republican wasn’t elected until the 90’s. Most of these Democrats were Democrats in name only. In fact, rural conservative Democrats from outside of Atlanta were still prevalent in the GA State Assembly until recent history. Before 2002 to switch parties meant giving up your seniority and committee chairmanship. That allowed Democrats(with a bunch of DINO’s) to hold on in Georgia longer than they should have. The Georgia State Senate went GOP because a handful of Democrats who voted like Republicans anyway switched parties. Now the GOP has a 12 seat majority in the senate and more than that in the house. BTW, two of the last three Democratic govs. namely Joe Frank Harris and Zell Miller would hardly qualify as moderate Republicans. Roy Barnes who is very much a moderate was defeated for that very reason. BTW, I have heard Shawn Hannity bring up that it was Democrats who blocked civil rights in the 1960’s. Those were CONSERVATIVE southern dixiecrats. He often brings up Robert KKK Bird, but the VAST MAJORITY OF THE DIXIECRATS who blocked civil rights, voting rights etc. became Republicans.(Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond etc.). The Georgia house took a long time to turn over despite most rural conservatives supporting George Wallace in 68 and being sucked in by Nixon’s southern strategy in 1972. The Georgia House moderated in the 1970’s from it’s 60’s racism, but it was an ideological cluster f*$k. It was really hard to define Republicans and Democrats for the ensuing decades. A lot of suburb Republicans from Atlanta in the 70’s and 80’s were more liberal than many rural Democrats. The Georgia House had a lot of different voices. In general there were liberal, moderate and conservative Democrats from the time of civil rights to the Democrats loss of the house in 2002. When Republicans took over there was an enormous change. Because Democrats had so many moderates Georgia Democratic policy never mirrored Massachusetts or California. When the Georgia GOP took over in 2002 radicals took over. The Georgia GOP is considered the most radical in the country. There are maybe two or three moderate Republicans in the state house and senate combined. This is the first time a single ideology has had a monopoly in the state house since the days of segregation and wide scale disenfranchisement. It’s a good thing for Democrats Sonny Perdue, Glenn Richardson and Cagle are so arrogant and petty that they are tearing each other apart. Hopefully, rational moderate Atlanta Republicans will reject the Georgia GOP. The Georgia GOP is redneck and backwards to it’s core. I think Atlanta moderates will reject them in the near future. The Georgia GOP sees Atlanta as the enemy. The water problem is an Atlanta metro problem and they will do nothing. Go ahead and blame Shirley Franklin or liberals in general if that makes you feel good. If your a conservative in the suburbs you should blame the redneck controlled Georgia GOP and local commissioner for putting developers first and the environment second. This crisis is a Republican caused problem and they certainly don’t have a solution

By Will Jones

October 17, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the History Lesson.

Racism is unAmerican…the foundation of the Dixiecrats and the “Southern Strategy”/GOP.

E Pluribus Unum and the Isaiah prophecy of “all nations flowing into one new nation [The New Israel]” forbid any true American from being racist. Racism is de facto against G-d (Annuit Coeptis).

All we have to do is follow the “civil religion” of Americanism (Whiggism) and obey The Mottoes and we shall once again be blessed.

Lesson #1: History unfolds as a result of the conflict between Rome and everyone else. America’s Founding Whigs are still correct.

Follow Rome’s Fifth Column in America, whether fiat money fraud, false war, pedophilia, assassination, or racism, and the reverse template of America’s Utopian dream is outlined. Rome is the Anti-Christ.

Bush’s faction: CIA killing Kennedy and King; the unconstitutional Fed debasing our currency; the Romish church promoting illegal immigration; committing 9/11, is pro-Rome and anti-G-d. When The People rise up and rid our country of the known evils bringing shame upon us clean water will flow with milk and honey for all.

Death for Treason. Now.

By Cos

October 17, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Gee…go east young man…Lake Russell, the full pool lake…..enjoyed this weekend…full of water but do not tell those greedy people in Atlanta. That is correct LAKE RUSSELL

By Lynn

October 17, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

At some time, those politicians in Washington that refuse to help us will have to fly through Atlanta.

Let’s leave them on the tarmac at Hartsfield for 8 hours in a plane with no water.

By Rodney Dangerfield

October 17, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Give it up for WILL JONES, ladies and gentlemen…wasn’t he great? He’ll be here all week. I tell ya…when he was born, the doctor shoulda slapped his mother!

And now for our next comedian…

By lapdawg

October 17, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Several weeds ago, before the lake levels got so low, I noticed some strange happenings. At Lanier, there were many illegal Mexicans with water pitchers, obviously stealing water, probably to use in their landscaping businesses.
A day or two later I saw some Muslims milling around the dam. I noticed them jumping in the water with hammers and chisels, staying down for up to ten minutes (without scuba gear). I believe they created some large holes at the base of the dam where water is escaping down the river. I am sure it was about this time I heard a racket one night and I went to investigate. I found Jews, probably 20 or 30, drinking like crazy right out of the lake. They told me they had just come over from Israel where the Jordan River was drying up and they were planning on drinking all night long! Talk about a huge water loss!! I know this is crazy, but soon after that I saw these crazy Christians baptizing people “in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” They were splashing water everywhere, jumping up and down, oblivious to the environmental damage they were causing. I heard a rumor that some black rappers had been seen around the lake. Anyone with a lick of sense knows that they were up to no good. Who knows how much dirt they dumped into the lake to cover up the bodies they were burying?
Well, I do not have the time to relate to you all the problems we have been having up here with the Democrats and the Republicans, the liberals and the conservatives, the rural and the urbans, the young and the old. But I guarantee you they all have been responsible, also. I do not want to frighten anyone, but I did also see a large cigar-shaped craft with flashing lights and a large straw sticking into the lake. I think they are probably the real culprits.

By Crapper

October 17, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

….and we wonder why this country is in the condition it’s in….

By WaterGawd

October 17, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

People think the reservoir is dry at 1045 ft, full pool is 1071ft. In reality the lake bottom is around 920 ft. The intakes for drinking water are at 1045 ft. All that has to be done is lower the intakes, there is another 100+ feet of water in the reservoir. Don’t let the media hype get in the way of facts

By lapdawg

October 17, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

The Iranians have plans to poison the water anyway, so what’s the use?

By lapdawg

October 17, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Oh, and also, don’t forget about that huge machine in the Gulf of Mexico built by the Chinese, Russians, and Europeans. It sucks all the moisture out of our air causing drought conditions. The plan is to make us buy more bottled water from them and because Bush has screwed up the foreign exchange rates so much, the bottled water is getting more expensive by the minute.

By Tim

October 17, 2007 11:39 PM | Link to this

Helllooooo Mike. At over $300 per sf for starter homes here I don’t think we could stand much more of a price increase. Idaho+ski resort town=oUtRaGeOuS prices. I think a lot of you should just take an early vacation,secure your property and come on over here and live for a while. The time before ski season is a real bargain for renters. PS. Ya gotta like snow though as it is snowing NOW!!

By Thomas

October 18, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

“The States of the American union are and of right ought to be, free and self-governing.”

Methinks the author of this column should brush up on American history, especially the formation of this republic, before scoffing at the notion of states being sovereign.

By Will Jones

October 18, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

We should also revisit the history books and recognize that a big part of the South’s disaffection with the Union was the very real establishment of a criminal caste in Washington using government funds to line cronies’ pockets.

Our Founder, Thomas Jefferson, spells it out in his

Draft Declaration and Protest of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Principles of the Constitution of the United States of America, and on the Violations of them December 1825

“We owe every other sacrifice to ourselves, to our federal brethren, and to the world at large, to pursue with temper and perseverance the great experiment which shall prove that man is capable of living in society, governing itself by laws self-imposed, and securing to its members the enjoyment of life, liberty, property, and peace; and further to show, that even when the government of its choice shall manifest a tendency to degeneracy, we are not at once to despair but that the will and the watchfulness of its sounder parts will reform its aberrations, recall it to original and legitimate principles, and restrain it within the rightful limits of self-government. And these are the objects of this Declaration and Protest.”

Read it in its entirety. The North had been taken over by Rome. The Protestant Jeffersonian South objected to the corruption which has yet to recede…evidence the Bush/Rockefeller Fifth Column.

By Crapper

October 18, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Good Lord…..and to think I paid good money to learn history. Seriously, contact your representatives and keep the pressure on (myself included)

By Georgia Southron

October 18, 2007 10:55 PM | Link to this

I would like to think that Will Jones is just a lousy comedian, but as a middle-aged man I have known too many like him to be so naive. Jones, your ignorance is stupefying! Or is this ignorance actually just blind hatred of Christ’s Church? Rome (or the Catholic Church as you mean) never took over the North; New England states instituted public (government) schools to see to it that children were properly instructed in the evolving beliefs of the Puritan’s descendents, to keep Rome from “taking over.” The fact is, the only American colony/state chartered as Catholic was Maryland, which is south of the Maxon-Dixon line. Furthermore, Pope Pius IX sympathised with the Confederate Cause and sent gifts to President Davis and his wife during Davis’ post-war imprisonment. Davis, an Episcopalian, even sent two of his children to the Catholic St. Vincent’s Academy in Savannah, Georgia. Mr. Jones, your bigotry, or ignorance (probably both), embarrasses Southerners and knowledgeable Christians. We don’t need your help to condemn Northern/Federal corruption and usurpation.

By English Lesson

October 18, 2007 11:24 PM | Link to this

History Lesson at 2:04PM used 3,961 characters to (finally) conclude: “This crisis is a Republican caused problem and they certainly don’t have a solution”

In your waste of words, you failed to offer a single solution to the water problem. Not one. Liberals are adept at identifying problems.

Liberals’ solutions are usually one of the following:

(1) Blame the Free Enterprise system. (2) Call for Higher Taxes. (3) Name Calling.

You got two out of three.

As an aside, please learn the proper use of you’re (vs. your) and its (vs. it’s). Because if you don’t, then you look like the redneck. (Perhaps you should support school vouchers.)

Cheers.

By Get Real

October 20, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Well, I just got back from the Governor’s press conference at Lake Lanier. I am sure some of you heard it on the radio. What a joke and I voted for him . He put total blame on the Corps and the USFWS. Does he not know that his own state government is responsible for rubber stamping approval for large metro-Atlanta developments (big water users) which are judged to have regional resource impacts. We will never get a handle on this until Perdue focuses on being proactive instead of reactive. His demeanor towards the Feds is like a rabid dog and not condusive for cooperation. It’s time to put the brakes on rampant out of control development and implement immediate permanant and reasonable water conservation practices.

By Analchord

October 20, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Water crisis? Pass the 1.6 ounce per flush law I suggested ten years ago. People, we can save ourselves the way the aztecs did when they ran out of water. We have this information today because they’ve finally deciphered the pinchedloaf stone that was discovered in 1896 by archeologists digging near ancient outhouses. They simply started using the restrooms for sex, and nobody used any water whatsoever. If anyone ever actually did finally have to go, they used bedpans, which require no water at all.

There it is. One point six ounces per flush. I’ve calculated that our water could last for ten centuries if we pass that law.

Otherwise invest in companies that manufacture water recycling for homes. You can filter toilet water and drink it fresh as a mountain spring. It’s true. In fact the water you are drinking now in Atlanta is so toxic that the insurance companies are revamping the logarithms they use to calculate average life expectancy and people, rates are gonna go up.

word. By the way, if you want to know how long you’ll live….check out when your life insurance premiums go from 60 bucks a month to 1000 bucks a month: that’s when the life insurance companies KNOW you’re gonna croak, my fine friends, but dont be afraid, i’ll be waiting for you on the other side.