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DEL.ICIO.USListening in on the sales pitch for immigration reform
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
On Thursday, U.S. Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson invited Republican state lawmakers in Georgia to participate in a conference call, to allow them to ask questions on the most volatile topic of the day — the immigration reform package.
About 33 or 34 participated, we’re told. The number is uncertain, because it included at least one extra ear — belonging to illegal immigration opponent D.A. King of Marietta.
At least a pair of somebodies — King won’t say who, but says the information came from more than one person — slipped him the password that allowed him to listen in.
We’re told that Chambliss and Isakson are furious about the breach.
But a brief joint statement put out by the pair on Saturday declined to address it: “Illegal immigration is a difficult, emotional issue. We are working with all Georgians to secure the border first, prohibit a new pathway to citizenship and end illegal immigration.”
We weren’t there, and can’t speak to the specifics. But this conference call — and President Bush’s trip to coastal Georgia on Tuesday — shows you the ferocity with which this issue is being debated among Republicans.
King was kind enough to type up a few notes from the group call. Much of it sounds like what Chambliss and Isakson — the two are in tight coordination — have said before similar audiences.
Perhaps the most important news that King relates is that several of the lawmakers who participated spoke of the intense public opposition to the bill that they’ve encountered.
In response, King said, the senators said there would be further discussion of a “touchback provision” that would require illegal immigrants to leave the United States before coming back under any legal status.
In addition, says King:
— “Chambliss led off by saying that the bill needed to be explained and that because they had both voted no last year [on the previous immigration bill] the White House had initiated an effort to get them involved with the new bill.
— “[Chambliss] adamantly stated that last year’s bill was the worst piece of legislation he had ever seen since going to Washington.”
— “Chambliss said that they were part of an initial group involved that included [U.S. Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez] in many long meetings to work on ‘amnesty or whatever’ but that they were not involved in every conversation and that there were ‘no back room deals.’”
— King says Chambliss then went on to explain that the three driving points for conservatives were border security, an end to chain migration, and workplace verification of employee identities. Chambliss also mentioned that illegal immigrants would have to learn English to obtain a “Z” visa.
— Isakson, King said, “went on to outline that the bill calls for 18,000 Border Patrol Agents to be hired and on duty and 370 miles of fence and border security.”
— King quoted Isakson as saying that no federal law currently demands enforcement of U.S. borders, and that the immigration reform package would change that.
Afterwards, the anti-illegal immigration activist said he got into it with aides to the senators over that statement. The U.S. Constitution demands border security, King said.
Yes, it does, one senate aide told us. But sometimes laws are needed as mechanisms to implement what the Constitution demands.
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By Murray Silver
May 26, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this
This proposed “draft” is the worse piece of CRAP that I have ever read…bar none….it deals in fantasy, make believe and non-enforceable garbage…shame on BOTH GEORGIA SENATORS!!!
By Will Jones
May 26, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this
Chambliss and Isakson love Bush. Bush is a draft-dodging, hypocritical homosexual who committed 9-11 and whose father helped kill Kennedy and whose grandfather was Hitler’s banker. Their fascist Fifth Column intends to destroy the only factor - the eighty percent Middle Class - in American society which can stop their “shooting the moon:” by bringing in millions of illegal Roman Catholic immigrants in adherence to their masters’ “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry,” Document 199-7 of the U.S. Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops. They need to replace the millions of white American Roman Catholics who stopped contributing to the Rockefeller/Roman Catholic cashflow because of the pedophile priesthood scandal. Georgia must help America end the fascist plutocracy which is destroying the Working Class through off-shoring, the Bush China Trade, and illegal immigration. Chambliss, Isakson, and any other false-man willing to support hypocritical homosexual traitor Bush must be turned out of office, immediately.
By BackfromIraq
May 26, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this
DA’s comments are correct and identical to what Senator Chambliss publicly stated at this mornings meeting sponsored by the Columbus County GOP committee in Evans, Ga. I was present and even after Saxby’s presentation most of the response during the brief question and answer period that followed his hour long speech was confrontive in nature.
Saxby candidly stated that realistically we already have Amnesty for illegals because no law enforcement entity is pursuing and deporting illegal aliens either for overstaying their visas much less those whom have entered the country illegally. However, what was of most concern to me was that Senator Chambliss stated incorrectly that there is no law that allows state and local law enforcement personnel to apprehend, detain, etc. violators of Immigration laws.
Kris Kobach, formerly with the Office of Legal Council of the Justice Department under Attorney General Ashcroft and now Professor of Law at Univ of Missouri-KC cites at least five Congressional actions that do not preempt state and local enforcement arrest authority. These actions are in fact invitations by Congress to local and state enforcement to help enforce the nation’s immigration laws. They are: 1- Section 287(g) of the INA (USC 8 V.S.C. 1357(g));2- USC 8 Sec 1103(a)(9); 3- Law Enforcement Support Center; 4- INS/ICE “quick Response Team” and 5-USC 8 D.S.C Sec 1373 & Sec 1644. And all these congressional actions were poster in 1990 and have been tested in Federal courts up to the Supreme Court District level and been up held.
As a matter of Georgia’s New Security and Immigration Act requires the Ga.Public Safety Commissioner to enact Section 287(g) which requires a Memorandum of Understanding with Immigration and Customs Enforcement to deputize the State police to enforce Immigration laws, investigate through ICE databases and prosecute illegals for deportation.
Why the public and our state legisltors knows more about federal laws than our Senior Senator is beyond the comprehension of this writer.
Legislative Director Georgia Chapter of MCDC
By Leo B.
May 26, 2007 8:04 PM | Link to this
In reading about the actions of senators Isakson and Chambliss, I remembered the advice Vito Corleone gave his son, the new Don. "The one who comes to you to make a deal will be the traitor. He'll arange a meeting, where he can guarantee your safety, where you will be killed." If I have to decide who I bleieve, I chose Vito over the two traitors from Georgia. May the people of Georgia give these two what they are due.By Al
May 26, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this
Lets not get carryed away with left wing foolishness and name calling here-plus statments we can’t even prove or back up with facts about bush!Lets try to stick to the facts here.Our country is being given away to illegal alien criminals with false I.D.s and stolen Social Security numbers and this President wants to give them some type of shamnesty for their crimes as soon as he can-as our own troops are fighting and dieing for their country as this Governments leadership is giving it all away and dosent even give a damn about them or what they will do for work when they come home!!!!!!!!!
By Paul
May 26, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this
Yes, it does, one senate aide told us. But sometimes laws are needed as mechanisms to implement what the Constitution demands. What Baxter and Galloway quote the senate aide saying is true. And about as relevant as saying that the sun rises in the east since we already have all the laws we need. They just need to be #@%$#!!@ enforced.
As for Chambliss’s claim that they need to learn English to get a Z visa: No. During the first four years after getting such a visa, the recipient would have to “demonstrate an attempt to gain an understanding of the English language.” This could be satisfied by being on the waiting list for an English class!! Then after eight years with a Z visa (initial four years, plus one renewal), recipients must pass the naturalization test to get another renewal. What if a lot of them fail? They’ll dumb down the test even further (if possible). What would the alternative? Deport them? Well, if we could manage that then, why not just do it now?
By Claude
May 26, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this
The promise of amnesty now in exchange for better enforcement of immigration laws in the future is the same promise that was made in 1986. The enforcement promises that are being made now, even if they were kept, are only promises of inputs, not results. Moreover, a lot of illegal immigrants get into the country legally by claiming to be tourists or just visiting relatives. They just don’t leave when they’re supposed to. Additional fences and more border patrols won’t help that.
Al made a point that isn’t made often enough. We’re constantly told that illegal immigrants are peaceful people with a wonderful work ethic, and I suppose 12 million people can’t be all bad. But it takes a lot of lying to become and remain an illegal immigrant. People who commit identity theft or manufacture phony social security cards don’t sound like great potential citizens to me.
By j rock
May 26, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
Allowing 20 million illegals to remain in the USA, those same illegals who are proud to wave Mexico flags while BURNING U S Flags, who are being told and believe “THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY: we just have to take it back” Read LA RAZA and see just what their intentions are. This will be the beginning of the end of the USA…we will be Mexifornia.. and our government officials are more worried about the ILLEGAL LOBBY and the HISPANIC VOTE than saving our USA.
By You Tube
May 26, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this
Chambliss was asked in the phone call why they had their pictures made with a grinning, happy Ted Kennedy. His answer: He didnt know there would be a camera there. Translation: We rather work without publicity. Iskason was asked twice in the phone call how the feds could be trusted to enforce these new laws when the current laws arent being enforced. He tap danced around that. He was also asked about 300 miles of wall when 700+ has already been authorized but the President refuses to pull the trigger. He says it isnt so, the wall is being built. If so, no one knows where it is. And maybe…..maybe 1000 miles of fence and wall on a 2000 mile border? Whats wrong with that picture.
I am a Republican member of the GA General Assembly. I voted twice for Bush and for Saxby and Johnny. While I can’t vote against Bush in the future, you can bet your last dollar I can and will vote against our US Senators if they vote for this crap.
By John Konop
May 26, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this
Before you get excited about immigration policy from the White House and Congress please read this.
America is no longer in charge of American immigration laws. Huge multinational corporations have built in a loophole by lobbying Rep. Tom Price and other members of Congress to pass the CAFTA trade agreement.
Immigration Reform Doesn’t Begin and End at the Border Even if Americans can finally convince Congress to secure the borders and begin enforcing existing immigration laws, it can all be evaded. Multinational corporations can subvert our immigration laws to insure a steady and endless flow of cheap, wage- lowering immigrant labor—while small businesses have to play by the rules.
Under Tom Price’s CAFTA, a foreign country that doesn’t like our immigration laws (or trade laws) can sue America in an “international tribunal”. These three-member tribunals are rigged—the foreign country names two of the “judges” while we name only one.
Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo goes on to explain: “If an international tribunal rules against us, Congress would then be forced to change our immigration laws or face international trade sanctions. These tribunals have the authority to rule that U.S. immigration limits, visa requirements, or even licensing requirements and zoning rules are ‘unnecessary burdens to trade’ that act as ‘restrictions on the supply of a service.’”
State Laws Are Also Vulnerable
Trade policies under NAFTA, CAFTA, and WTO don’t just threaten federal trade and immigration laws. States can lose the ability to set their own purchasing preferences if they are found to “discriminate” against foreign companies. For example, the following kinds of laws and policies can be overturned by foreign tribunal courts:
Buy Local or Buy American policies Laws that prohibit the off-shoring of state jobs Preferences for recycled content, renewable energy, and fuel-efficient vehicles Disqualification of contractors based on labor, human rights, or environmental practices
It gets worse: The state of Utah is currently being sued by the government of Antigua and Barbuda because Utah’s gambling regulations conflict with America’s trade agreement obligation not to discriminate against foreigners providing “recreational services.”
Amnesty for Trade Cheats
In the run-up to the CAFTA vote, Congressman Charlie Norwood (R-GA) called CAFTA’s foreign tribunals, “Amnesty for trade cheats, just like the same crowd’s proposals on amnesty for illegal aliens.” Tom Price ignored that and many other warnings. He dangled his CAFTA vote until the very end, and then finally sold out.
Under these trade deals, Americans are forced to compete against workers from countries with vastly inferior labor, wage, and environmental standards. That is not “fair” trade—not if you’re an American.
They also create a double-standard in law enforcement. A multinational corporation accused of violating U.S. immigration law can hide behind a stacked foreign tribunal. An American small business accused of the same offence must obey the law or face the penalties.
If you think one person can’t make a difference, remember: CAFTA passed by one vote.
Join challenger John Konop in demanding that these disastrous trade deals be renegotiated to:
Make American law the final authority in America Include stronger enforcement provisions that support the interests of working families and small businesses
www.controlcongress.com
By Glenn
May 26, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately, I listened in also. What a bunch of garbage. No wonder Chambliss is losing the base but I still think and insist that Governor Perdue remain as Governor for a full seocnd term. Governor Perdue should not run for Saxby’s seat next year. Our party needs someone other than Saxby and the Governor to run for U.S. Senate!
By Billy
May 26, 2007 10:56 PM | Link to this
At least folks -(GOVERNMENT) IS talking about Illegal Immigration NOW!!!!—— YEARS LATER, BUT WE ARE WALKING ON A THIN LINE , I hope our GOVERNMENT will do the RIGHT THING +SET SOME EXAMPELS, Before the U.S.A. is a MEMORY TO US. AS WE KNOW IT!!!!!!?????
By JSC
May 26, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this
Chambliss and Isakson are domestic terrorists - along with every other senator that is caving in to boosh.
DO YOU HEAR ME? DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!
THEY ARE SELLING US OUT TO THE LOWEST BIDDERS!
THEY MUST BE RECALLED IMMEDIATELY!
AMERICANS WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS CRAP!
By TJ
May 26, 2007 11:46 PM | Link to this
“I am a Republican member of the GA General Assembly. I voted twice for Bush and for Saxby and Johnny. While I can’t vote against Bush in the future, you can bet your last dollar I can and will vote against our US Senators if they vote for this crap.”
You’re also spineless for not posting your real name. You’re a real profile in courage. At least our two Senators have the spine and guts to be public about their views. You hide behind a fake internet screen name.
Coward.
By Tom Jones
May 26, 2007 11:48 PM | Link to this
“I am a Republican member of the GA General Assembly. I voted twice for Bush and for Saxby and Johnny. While I can’t vote against Bush in the future, you can bet your last dollar I can and will vote against our US Senators if they vote for this crap.”
You’re also spineless for not posting your real name. You’re a real profile in courage. At least our two Senators have the spine and guts to be public about their views. You hide behind a fake internet screen name.
Coward.
By Tom Jones
May 26, 2007 11:55 PM | Link to this
“What Baxter and Galloway quote the senate aide saying is true. And about as relevant as saying that the sun rises in the east since we already have all the laws we need. They just need to be #@%$#!!@ enforced.”
Hey Paul, which laws do you want enforced? The law that allows illegals to keep getting benefits on the backs of GA taxpayers? The law that allows those who have deportation orders to be released on their own recognizance (also called “catch and release”)? The law that limits the number of CBP agents at 14,000, and limits UAV’s to 1? The law that allows one green card holder to brin gin over 180 family members in a chain migration?
Right, those are the good laws. Why beef up border security like Isakson wants, when we can just rely on thre good laws we have now?
Oh, and Paul…that was sarcasm. Visit dictionary.com if you need a definition.
By JSC
May 27, 2007 12:11 AM | Link to this
I say GOD BLESS WHOMEVER GAVE D.A. KING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN IN TO THE TWO LIARS FROM GEORGIA.
GOD BLESS YOU!
I have one question for Sellout Saxby and Amnesty John: When y’all were behind closed doors with boosh putting this piece of crap together - who wore the blue dress? Did you take turns? I guess we can call you both Monica now, huh?
Traitors!
By FJ
May 27, 2007 12:24 AM | Link to this
To me, the touted “bipartisanship” in backroom deals such as this amnesty bill is nothing more than a dog-and-pony show. And how in the world is this a “compromise” when all of the people in the smoke-filled room started out with AMNESTY as the basic premise? This is an instant “hands-off” the illegal aliens, even those who are in court proceedings, who have been ordered deported, and who are coming across the border — our ICE agents and Border Patrol are now to be turned into social workers to offer all of the illegal aliens the 24-hour drive-through permanent temporary status. Oh, I just realized why the increase in Border Patrol (which, by the way, is recruiting in Mexico).
By jane
May 27, 2007 1:03 AM | Link to this
The comments of the Senators are at odds with the Immigration redform resolution passed at the GOP convention last week. Chamblis is trying to be a pragmatist at a time when law and order Republicans are unwilling to accept anything less than the strict enforcement of the laws.
By Chris
May 27, 2007 1:13 AM | Link to this
Let’s talk about what we need. Then maybe you’ll understand our Senators. Here are our options:
Mass deportation: Off the table, not an option, public has no stomach for what that entails and Congress won’t touch it.
Status qou: Slowly bleed them out and make life so difficult that the majority will self-deport. Possible, more possible than one; however, corporations, agriculture, construction have no tolerance for this and the Congress doesn’t feel like picking a fight with 12 million angry laborers and their 30 million legal brothers and sisters. It would amount to political suicide for the party that favors this. Like it or not, Hispanic voters are growing faster than white and black voters combined. They will remember this for decades.
Compromise: fast quick solution. Get as much as you can in enforcement and border security and bargain this in exchange for legalization. Corporations happy, left happy, right not so happy, country safer and economy left uninterrupted.
What do you think will be the ultimate decision?
By Cindy
May 27, 2007 2:37 AM | Link to this
Those are not the only three options.
Option #4. ENFORCE THE LAW. Prosecute harshly those who employ illegals. Force the IRS to report multiple people using the same SS #. Deport those we can. Refuse illegals licenses and public benefits. Do way with birthright citizenship. They’ll deport themselves.
Chambliss and Isakson are traitors, plain and simple. They are willfully going the opposite direction that the state of Georgia wants to go. They are disgusting.
By Chris
May 27, 2007 3:59 AM | Link to this
Can you imagine the U.S. gov administering (or outsourcing) English language testing for 15 million illegals?
How funny is that? These creeps will say anything to get their way.
By Paul
May 27, 2007 4:37 AM | Link to this
Nolo contendre! Tom Jones for President. Or maybe that’s “Tom Jones” for President. You know, “Tom Jones,” of Georgia. He of the potent verbal bullets.
By debbie
May 27, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this
I can tell you from the political climate out there now on this issue, that any Senator that votes for this amnesty bill will be in danger of being defeated when they are up for re-election. I h ave already heard rumors circulating about a possible opponent to run against Chambliss in the GOP Primary and a STRONG possiblity of a strong Libertarian candidate.
This bill needs to be defeated.
Just check out the cost of the bill from the Heritage Foundation. 5.2 Trillion dollars, I believe is the figure.
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Misc/immigration.cfm
This bill punishes those following our immigration laws.
SB 529 has showed us that if you take away incentives for illegals to come here, (IE:Jobs, free health care, etc.) they will leave . There will be no need for a mass deportation.
The U.S Taxpayers will even have to foot the legal fees for those wanting to stay in this country.
A vote for this bill is a vote to sell out this country to big business and Mexico.
By Bitter EX democrackkk
May 27, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
I am shocked, stunned and awed that these two fine Republican Senators would bow to this kind of coersion. But then, I cannot understand how a Presidunce from a border state is not more willing to have existing laws enforced, and SECURE THE BORDERS!!!
By Rick Cox
May 27, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
Illegal Immigration is what we oppose. I am married to a LEGAL LATINA. We did it the right way, the long way, the expensive way. My wife and many other LEGALS resent what is happening on our southern border. Take look at a typical ILLEGAL family with 4-5 children. That will cost the taxpayer about $1,200-$1,500 per month or more. We pay for our child. But NO amount of money can pay for one incident of a terrorist group sneaking a nuke across our border. That one incident will also kill and injure many LATINOS. They will be just as dead and hurt as anybody else. I am tired of the rhetoric when murderous drug/smuggling gangs are operating freely in our country. This is not a partisan issue, this is an AMERICAN issue. The treasury of the USA is not one GIANT PINATA for any and all illegals to run across the border and smack at their pleasure.
RC. Canton, GA
By Marge
May 27, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
Our Senators chose to participate in a backroom deal that was not debated or negotiated with the interests of Georgians at heart. Fundamental to their betrayal was their promise that they would never support anything close to amnesty. Our border security should never have been linked to any “bribe” or “trigger”. It is a matter of national security and an obligation of our government. Any elected official who says we are incapable of securing our borders unless there is a guest worker or amnesty bill shows their incompetence and/or lack of political will to do the right thing. It was a grave political miscalculation for our senators to compromise on something so potentially destructive to our very way of life as giving legal status to unknown millions of aliens. Aligning themselves with this most unpopular President in modern times was also a mistake. He is not Ronald Reagan. We are furious that this stubborn and arrogant President is coming to our State this week to continue his push for his own agenda and totally against the will of the people. If Johnny and Saxby are standing with him, I’d say they are toast. We hope that our Senators will stop spinning the Bush Kennedy agenda and represent the views of those that elected them.
By Will Jones
May 27, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
Bush heads the biggest illegal drug gang in the world. Opium was drying up in Afghanistan before Bush got there. It is now rife and Dubai is the largest transhipment point for Afghan heroin…Remember Bush’s insistence that eight or nine U.S. ports be given to Dubai? Those who question Bush’s overt homosexual hypocricy need only visist rawstorydotcom and view the Secret Service records of $200/hr male hooker James Guckert/Jeff Gannon’s signature 202 time in a two year period at the social entrance logbook of the White House. It is now illegal for the SS to release the sign-in record. Bush is a despicable pervert and traitor. None of honor should associate with any Bush affiliate other than as arresting or court officer. He did 9-11 and none wishing public role or voice should evade the need to reconcile the truth and facts of that atrocity. Read “The New Pearl Harbor,” or watch Norman Mineta’s testimony as witness to Cheney’s stand-down order before the missile hit the Pentagon. America must once again approach righteousness directly in keeping with the shibboleth: Annuit Coeptis.
By ageofpaper
May 27, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Every year or so a large group of fat cats from the us meet on the west coast to determine what course the usa will follow. they want global, to get this they lower our standard and raise the rest of the worlds, same thing they tried right before 29 crash. We must stop them or we will be in the same heap of crap the rest of the world in is. they send jobs over seas, to commie country no less, and let them invade us, now walmart and target sales way down, great plans can mean greater losses.
By Barbara Scruggs
May 27, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
I attended the GAGOP State convention as a delegate. There was one section that appeared to be the loudest in the boos. Does that group think they have all the answers on immigration reform? Maybe there is to much “stuff” in the bill at one time. Trancedo(?) of CO has been studying immigration for years. He stated that we have the laws but don’t enforce them and why have such a large bill to comphrehend when it is not necessary. As our two Senators, over and over, have repeated, border security first. Rs are not in control so you have to deal with the Ds, like it or not, even “The Ted”. I will support Chambliss and Isakson with my vote come election time. One size does not fit all in the Republican Party. We have many that are too shrill and don’t look at the big picture or think “outside of the box”. Just remember the House has to vote, too. It is the other laws outside of the immigration debate that control how we deal with the illegals as they are treated as already Americans the our courts. SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST AND THEN DEAL WITH THE REST OF THE PROBLEMS AND OF COURSE lEARN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!
By Will Jones
May 27, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
Congress marches to the tune of Rome and Rockefeller. They mean to destroy the only factor which poses a real threat to them: the 80% Working Class. Seal the borders and expropriate the assets of the Fifth Column. Treason must be arrested. The Bush Tories and their backers within Rome and Rockefeller must brought to justice. The People will anneal behind a public trial for those who committed 9-11. If Bush’s treason and false war go unpunished, America is doomed.
By Bill Simon
May 27, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this
I’m tired of hearing what other people say about the “proposed draft.” I’d like to read it for myself, but no copy exists on the Congressional Website. Anyone know where an ACTUAL copy of the draft resides online?
By Mike
May 27, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
THESE TRAITORS WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVE COME ELECTION. You don’t make bacroom deals with TED “drunk” Kennedy. idiots all of them. no wonder they can’t SECURE THE BORDERS
By d.a. king
May 27, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
We have a copy of the bill posted…and have had since 12 hours after it was final on our Wesite… www.thedustininmansociety.org homepage.
Somebody ask the question: Why has Bush refused to secure American borders since 9/11? Follw the money.
The goal is clear: eliminate the expensive borders and create the “intergrated” North american Community. We have a week to stop this bill . Somebody…anybody, Google ” Building a North American Community”
By d.a. king
May 27, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this
The answer is ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT of existing laws…this crisis did not happen overnight and will not be solved overnight…SECURE THE BORDER AND PUT SOME EMPLYERS ( and elected officials) IN JAIL…sit back and watch it slowly get better.
By Tom Jones
May 27, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
“The answer is ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT of existing laws…this crisis did not happen overnight and will not be solved overnight…SECURE THE BORDER AND PUT SOME EMPLYERS ( and elected officials) IN JAIL…sit back and watch it slowly get better.”
Hey D.A.: again, out of curiousity and per my previous post, which laws do you want enforced? The law that allows illegals to keep getting benefits on the backs of GA taxpayers? The law that allows those who have deportation orders to be released on their own recognizance (also called “catch and release”)? The law that limits the number of CBP agents at 14,000, and limits UAV’s to 1? The law that allows one green card holder to bring in over 180 family members in a chain migration?
Right, those are the good laws. Why beef up border security like Isakson wants, when we can just rely on the good laws we have now?
Oh, and D.A. You’ve been out there in the press slamming our Senators as being pro amnesty. Amnesty is defined as a general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses. In this bill, an illegal has to PLEAD GUILTY to the federal midemeanor offense of entering the country illegally. Since that offense is catgorized as a misdemeanor UDNER EXISTING LAW (the existing law you want enforced), they pay a fine commensureate with the misdemeanor crime. In the same way you pay a fine for a misdemeanor traffic violation. In the same way you pay a fine for a federal misdemeanor convistion for running a gambling and booking ring. You know about that, right D.A.?
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument D.A. You’ll lose every time.
By Leah
May 27, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
We are embarrased and ashamed of these two so called Representatives of the people. (Isakson and Chambliss). I guess it’s to the highest bidder again, we have been had.
By brad
May 27, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
Typical state legislator…anonomously and cowardly come to an online blog to make public commments about something they know nothing about.
By Debbie
May 27, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/2007legislation.cfm
The bill has been on Heritage Foundation’s web site since May 19th.
If they get to stay in this country without first returning home and following the immigration laws like most other legal immigrants do, then it is amnesty.
I have a friend that came to this country 15 years ago from Romania. She followed the laws. Many other immigrants followed the laws. Her sister wanted to come here and become a productive citizen not dependent on government services. Her sister is a teacher to disabled kids. Her sister was unable to obtain permission to come to the U.S so she went to Canada and hopes someday she will be given permission to come here. She would have been better off coming here illegally. She would have been rewarded for not following the immigration laws instead of being punished because she followed them. How many others will be punished for following the immgration laws? Why have them to start with if they will not be enforced and those that violate them will be rewarded instead of punished?
You can take a skunk, try to disguise it by painting it’s stripe to hide it’s true nature and even put perfume on it to make it smell better, but in the end, it is still a SKUNK and still stinks to high heaven. Call it what you will, this bill is still amnesty.
As for the State Legislator, at least the legislature passed SB 529 and did something about illegal immigration. The federal government sure has not done squat about it. They just want to reward thsoe that don’t follow the immigration laws.
Thank goodness we can count on our Congressmen to stand and fight this bil is it passes the Senate! They know the reprecussions of voting for this amnesty bill.
By Tom Jones
May 27, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
If they get to stay in this country without first returning home and following the immigration laws like most other legal immigrants do, then it is amnesty.”
By YOUR definition. By the legal definition, since they are forced to PLEAD GUILTY to a crime, and PAY FINES AND PENALTIES, it is NOT AMNESTY. Furthermore, both Senators have indicated that they WILL VOTE to have illegals LEAVE THE COUNTRY to qualify for the Z-visa. That vote will happen the wek of the 4th. Instead of beating on them for the current product, how about we see what they do when they’re forced to take votes? Seems to me the votes they have taken this week (to force illegals to pay back taxes, to increase penalties for those that have come here illegally, to REDUCE the number of visas available to legal workers) shows they are actually in lockstep with where most Georgians are on this issue. Furthermore, they’ve cosponsored an amendment to make English the official language of the US.
” I guess it’s to the highest bidder again, we have been had.”
WHich bidder would that be Leah? What a cop-out. “Gee, I don’t agree with what my Senators have said. Therefore they must be bought off.” Comments lack that show 1) a fundamental lack of understanding about the rocess and 2) your lack of intellectual capability to come up with a better argument.
“As for the State Legislator, at least the legislature passed SB 529 and did something about illegal immigration. The federal government sure has not done squat about it. They just want to reward thsoe that don’t follow the immigration laws.”
Funny, our Senators are working on a border security first approach. It’s easy for Chip Rogers to sit there and demagogue, especially when he has neither the know-how, smarts, or power to do anything else. I wouldn’t give the legislature that much credit.
“Thank goodness we can count on our Congressmen to stand and fight this bil is it passes the Senate! They know the reprecussions of voting for this amnesty bill.”
Again, it’s not amnesty. Also, you’re going to rely on Phil Gingrey and Tom Price to stop the bill? They can’t blow their noses without Nancy Pelosi’s permission in the House. They’re in the minority and given their very low seniority have ZERO power and clout to do anything. They can’t stop the process. All they can do is go down there and cast their one vote, and then get beat by 60 votes.
By Paul
May 27, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this
As President Eisenhower said of Senator William R. Knowland, so we say of Tom Jones: “In his case, there seems to be no final answer to the question, ‘How stupid can you get?’” (That’s Tom Jones of Georgia.)
Ol’ Tom is (accidentally) right that it’s not amnesty in that it’s literally worse than amnesty. A real illegal-immigration amnesty would be like what Malaysia did: Give illegals 90 days to leave the country under their own power. If they’re caught in the country after the amnesty period, they’re apprehended, caned, jailed for a spell, fined, and booted out. (See news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4224827.stm )
True enforcement of our own laws (wherein illegal entry is a criminal offense — a misdemeanor upon first conviction and a felony if you’re formally deported, you return, and you’re caught again) would wind up with offenders being deported, whether they’d served jail time or just paid a fine. (See 8 USC 1325a.)
So, letting them stay after being apprehended here amounts to no enforcement at all. They’ll have to pay a dinky fine? That makes the process indistinguishable from selling American legal residency, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime, for chicken feed. Plus they won’t be paying the fines, anyway. See www.vdare.com/letters/tl_052207.htm
On other topics ol’ Tom is drooling about:
There are no back taxes required in the bill as it was introduced, and no amendments in the last week dealt with taxes.
The bill as introduced permitted 400,000 new guestworkers per year. That was knocked down to 200,000/year by Bingaman’s amendment. Either way, those are increases in visas for legal workers over what we have now. (And those “temporary” workers will undoubtedly turn out to be permanent after all, since they’ll wind up producing U.S.-citizen children.)
Ol’ drooling Tom keeps harping on how the Georgia senators are gung-ho for border-security-first. If they were sincere, they’d be demonstrating it by helping make sure the much ballyhooed fence, approved last year, was being built. It’s basically not being built, which should also tell you all you need to know about the enforcement-sincerity of the Dems hawking this year’s monstrosity-bill.
By Paul
May 27, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this
As President Eisenhower said of Senator William R. Knowland, so we say of Tom Jones: “In his case, there seems to be no final answer to the question, ‘How stupid can you get?’” (That’s Tom Jones of Georgia.)
Ol’ Tom is (accidentally) right that it’s not amnesty in that it’s actually worse than amnesty. A real illegal-immigration amnesty would be like what Malaysia did: Give illegals 90 days to leave the country under their own power. If they’re found in the country after the amnesty period, they’re apprehended, caned, jailed for a spell, fined, and booted out.
True enforcement of our own laws (wherein illegal entry is a criminal offense — a misdemeanor upon first conviction and a felony if you’re formally deported, you return, and you’re caught again) would wind up with offenders being deported, whether they’d served jail time or just paid a fine. (See 8 USC 1325a.)
So, letting them stay after being apprehended here amounts to no enforcement at all. They’ll have to pay a dinky fine? That makes the process indistinguishable from selling American legal residency, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime, for chicken feed. Plus they won’t be paying the fines, anyway.
On other topics ol’ Tom is drooling about:
There are no back taxes required in the bill as it was introduced, and no amendments in the last week dealt with taxes.
The bill as introduced permitted 400,000 new guestworkers per year. That was knocked down to 200,000/year by Bingaman’s amendment. Either way, those are increases in visas for legal workers over what we have now. (And those “temporary” workers will undoubtedly turn out to be permanent after all, since they’ll wind up producing U.S.-citizen children.)
Ol’ drooling Tom keeps harping on how the Georgia senators are gung-ho for border-security-first. If they were sincere, they’d be demonstrating it by helping make sure the much ballyhooed fence, approved last year, was being built. It’s basically not being built, which should also tell you all you need to know about the enforcement-sincerity of the Dems hawking this year’s monstrosity-bill.
By Tom Jones
May 27, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this
Paul, Paul, Paul. It just goes to show how little you actually know:
“There are no back taxes required in the bill as it was introduced, and no amendments in the last week dealt with taxes.” Oh no? Try the McCain amendment. Tell you what, I’ll even post it right here to save you from having to look it up:
“Ol’ drooling Tom keeps harping on how the Georgia senators are gung-ho for border-security-first. If they were sincere, they’d be demonstrating it by helping make sure the much ballyhooed fence, approved last year, was being built. It’s basically not being built, which should also tell you all you need to know about the enforcement-sincerity of the Dems hawking this year’s monstrosity-bill.”
Again Paul, your lack of knowledge shows through. Since the bill authorizing and funding the fence was passed in October, the federal government had to go through its usual contracting process. It had to make sure that it got the lowest bidder, that they were Americans doing the work, you know, all the things folks like you would complain about. That took some time because they had to do an RFP, assess the applications, etc. Then, once they awarded the contract, because the fence is new technology that prevents someone from tunneling under it, Caterpillar had to retrofit its equipment to be able to proprerly install the fence. That also took some time. Now that they have started, they have 80 miles of the fence up. Isakson (can’t speak for Chambliss) has actually gone down there. Hell, there wa even a photo of him on his webpage welding a section of the fence. Also Isakson (again, can’t speak for Chambliss), has been out there calling for EMERGENCY SPENDING TO SECURE THE BORDERS. He voted to expedite the fence. He voted to fund the fence. He visited the fence on an oversight visit. Hell, he actually even BUILT a section of the fence. That’s more then you have done I bet.
“The bill as introduced permitted 400,000 new guestworkers per year. That was knocked down to 200,000/year by Bingaman’s amendment. Either way, those are increases in visas for legal workers over what we have now. (And those “temporary” workers will undoubtedly turn out to be permanent after all, since they’ll wind up producing U.S.-citizen children.)”
Did they not vote to CUT the #’s of visas? Paul? Hello?
“Ol’ Tom is (accidentally) right that it’s not amnesty in that it’s literally worse than amnesty. A real illegal-immigration amnesty would be like what Malaysia did: Give illegals 90 days to leave the country under their own power. If they’re caught in the country after the amnesty period, they’re apprehended, caned, jailed for a spell, fined, and booted out. (See news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4224827.stm )”
Wow, sounds strikingly similar to what the Hutchison amendment, which incidentally both Senators said they are going to vote for, would do.
“True enforcement of our own laws (wherein illegal entry is a criminal offense — a misdemeanor upon first conviction and a felony if you’re formally deported, you return, and you’re caught again) would wind up with offenders being deported, whether they’d served jail time or just paid a fine. (See 8 USC 1325a.)”
Which would be fine, however it isn’t in reality what happens. Since it is a misdemenaor, they aren’t held. Thus the “ctach and release”. But the Graham amendment, which both Senators voted for and even cosponsored, increases those penalties and the penalties if they reenter after deportation. Again, Paul, I’ll save you from having to look it up:
“So, letting them stay after being apprehended here amounts to no enforcement at all. They’ll have to pay a dinky fine? That makes the process indistinguishable from selling American legal residency, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime, for chicken feed. Plus they won’t be paying the fines, anyway. See www.vdare.com/letters/tl_052207.htm”
Correct Paul, you genius you. They now are allowed to stay here after being apprehended. However, when our two Senators (and hopefully a majority of the Senate) vote for the Hutchison amendment to force them to return home, they won’t be able to stay. See how easy that is?
“As President Eisenhower said of Senator William R. Knowland, so we say of Tom Jones: “In his case, there seems to be no final answer to the question, ‘How stupid can you get?’” (That’s Tom Jones of Georgia.)”
Paul, how stupid can YOU get? That’s the real question. I back up my statements with facts. What do you back your up with? Oh, that’s right: empty rhetoric.
By debbie
May 27, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
There are a number of Senate and House Democrats that oppose this bill,not just Republicans. The heat is on…
I would wager the majority of Georgians would say it is amnesty if illegals are allowed to stay in this country. Tom Jones, your thought process reminds me somewhat of Bill Clinton and his it isn’t really sex explanation…
What about the costs of the bill? What about the fact it penalizes those that follow the immgration laws?
Any bill Ted Kennedy is touting is bad news.
There are many that are deported if they are caught here illegally and all should be. Need I remind you of the news stores of those being sent back to middle Mexico so it will not be so easy to come back across?
Funny you mention Lindsay Graham and his ammendment. He was booed at South Carolina’s GOP convention just like Chambliss was at Georgia’s GOP convention.
You are trying to say that this bill has good points conservatives want so we should just ignore the bad points. The Democrats are in the majority so we have to take the best billwe can get.
That is total BLLS**. What if the Democrats introduced a bill like legalizing gay marriage or marijuana? Using your flawed logic, the GOP Senators should negoiate the best bill they can get and vote for it. After all the Dems are in charge.
You have to take a stand and say no to amnesty.
I think that Sen. Chambliss and Isakson will change their minds about voting for the bills. They will listen to the voters and not the Whitehouse or RNC. After all they represent the voters of Georgia - not the Whitehouse or a few farmers in South Georgia.
By minute-woman
May 27, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this
All this talk about whether or not the criminals receive amnesty or not is probably the least of my concerns. If all the criminals that have crawled & slithered into our country in the dark of night, to rob us of our jobs, destroy our neighborhoods, bankrupt our social programs, spread their diseases & drugs, slaughter innocent Americans on our roadways, & rape & plunder this country in such an evil, dishonest, disgraceful manner,…then what difference does it make if they’re on a path to citizenship, or just a guestworker w/ legal status——they will still disrespect this country, our laws, & our citizens,….. & they need to be rounded up,… FINED, & then sent back to the motherland w/ NO CHANCE of returning!!!!!!!!
By Paul
May 27, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this
The Hutchison amendment requires illegal aliens to leave the country to apply for a “Z” visa. BFD. The problem is the “Z” visa itself. As it stands, it’s a jackpot — much better than, say, a student visa — and only available to people who broke the law.
I’ll rescind this point if it turns out that, in applying for a “Z” visa post-Hutchison, a whole family of illegals (not just the illegal head-of-household) would have to leave the country and wait in their own country for legal U.S. residency at least as long — many years — as a person who was currently applying from scratch in that country, without ever having violated U.S. laws. That would be a true amnesty, instead of the they-get-to-stay capitulation that’s in the current version. Such an amendment wouldn’t pass, of course, as it would torpedo Kennedy’s and Bush’s whole reason for doing the bill.
But, anyway, if Chambliss and Isakson are hot for Hutchison’s amendment, why wouldn’t they (and Hutchison herself) have voted for Vitter’s amendment to strike Title VI, the legalization-of-illegals, from the bill?
Regarding temporary workers, this is a proposed new program. The bill started with 400,000 annual “Y” visas. Dorgan tried to get them stripped out. Dorgan failed. Chambliss and Isakson voted against Dorgan. Bingaman tried to get the number down to 200,000 annually. He succeeded. Chambliss and Isakson voted with Bingaman. Then Dorgan tried to get the “Y” visas program to sunset after five years. Dorgan’s amendment lost 48 to 49, with Chambliss and Isakson voting NAY.
So Chambliss and Isakson support 200,000 new guestworkers per year, while balking at 400,000 per year. And the vote of either one of them could have ended “Y” visas after five years. Net, Chambliss and Isakson voted to cut the number of visas and we wind up with 200,000 per year, indefinitely, instead of zero. Ol’ Tom trumpets this as Chambliss and Isakson supporting a reduction in visas that don’t now exist. Tom presumably isn’t really confused on the point. But he’s evidently the kind of person who would think it interesting to discuss the meaning of “is” with Bill Clinton.
Tom is right about the McCain amendment, which puts back-taxes-from-illegals into the bill. I missed that one. Probably less there than meets the eye, but Tom’s right, it did pass.
By Tom Jones
May 28, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
“But, anyway, if Chambliss and Isakson are hot for Hutchison’s amendment, why wouldn’t they (and Hutchison herself) have voted for Vitter’s amendment to strike Title VI, the legalization-of-illegals, from the bill?”
THe Vitter amendment would have also removed the requirement that the government perform terrorist watch list and criminal background checks on ilegals. The Vitter amendment would have also removed the requirement that illegals be given a biometric scan. The Vitter amendment would have also removed the requirement that illegals learn English. THe VItter amendment would also have reinstated catch and release. The Vitter amendment would also have removed the requirement that they plead guilty to a crime.
And you wanted them to vote for Vitter why?
By Bill Strong
May 28, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
Bush and Kennedy and cohorts have no intention of securing the Border.Read the entire bill, you will find that enforcement measures-Trigger's-aren't funded. Are we surprised, I'm not, Bush Has to have an open border with Mexico and Canada for his daddy's vision of a One World Order, and Little GW's plan of a NAU, first step towards a One World Order. This bill resembles swiss cheese with all the holes and double talk in it. It smiles at us as it deftly sticks a knife in our backs and gives a twist. Hat's off to Super Patriot D.A.King, he again was one step ahead of these liars and decievers. One other aspect not being really brought out is the number of illegals in this Country is around 32 million, raising Robert Rector of Heritage Foun dations estimate of cost from 2.5 trillion to 6 trillion that you the legal citizens will pay for, and your children and grandchildren, and so on as we re-live this immigration debacle over again in another fifteen years.By brad
May 28, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Those “Few farmers from South Georgia” fuel a $59 billion industry. They grow and produce food that ends up on your plate that you take for granted. I am sure you would love to end up importing the chicken, corn, milk, soybeans, etc…. The disconnect is amazing.
By Bill Strong
May 28, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Amnesty- anything that allows those who violated law to achieve what they illegally sought is 'Amnesty". No matter how many fines you put on it, how many provisions you put on them, if it allows them a job or provides a path to citizenship it is Amnesty. I listened to Menendez Friday saying all these important people are children of immigrants, what he didn't say is the parents came legally, wonder why he left that out? Just another example of deceptive tactics being used by the pro-illegal side. WWW.Choice.Flasbit.us, used this as an example of the silliness of it all. ACLU SUES GOD! For discriminatinmg against those in Hell for not allowing them to cross into Heaven. "They are just seeking a better Eternity", say's the ACLU King Soloman say's "they seek that which they would not follow the rules to obtain, and expect to be rewarded for not following the rules."By Bill Strong
May 28, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this
Brad here in Southern, Indiana we tend to raise our own food, do our own dishes, mow our own lawns, and take care of our children, instead of letting someone do that for us. Most farm work is done by young teen age boy's, most are son's of the farmer's. We don't have much of a problem with illegals on farms here, they have taken over the factory jobs, construction jobs,or are living off welfare Mom's at tax payers expense.By JWB
May 28, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this
Senators Chambliss and Isakson should be ashamed of themselves! A group of us (concerned Georgia citizens) met with them and their aides at various times in face-to-face meetings within the last 8 weeks. We were told within the last month that they would not allow an amnesty. Yet, they met in back rooms to come to this blatant amnesty agreement with President Bush and Senator Kennedy. Sen. Chambliss in his speech at the Republican convention in Georgia a few days ago admitted that only 1/3 of the border fence had to (ever) be completed before the “trigger” to apply for citizenship could take place.
If I were a foreign terrorist organization wanting to take over America, I would do it in just this way. This has to be STOPPED NOW.
MOST IMPORTLLY the current bill in the Senate takes away the rights of state and local governments have control of their own destinies in regard to illegal aliens.
It is time to stand up to these self-proclaimed “demi-god” Senators and boot them out of office.
By JSC
May 28, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
RE: “those few farmers produce food that ends up on your plate - we would have to import food if it wasn’t for illegal invaders working for slave wages, blah, blah, blah…”
Thomas Sowell stated in an article on townhall.com this past week that that argument is a lie. That for the past several years, we have had an over abundance of food that gets dumped every year.
By d.a. king
May 28, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
Yo…Tom Jones, whoever you are. It is true that 30 years ago I plead guilty to an illegal gambling charge. Nice detective work there sir, since I gave all info on this to the AJC last year and they ran it frontpage - above the fold METRO section last year - and anyone who knows me understands that it is no big secret - what is your message here? Marginalize the messenger? How inventive! ( I think you and Jerry Gonzalez may play together.
Consider this: Since I did take bets on football games and did plead guilty and did see the effect of law enforcement, it served as a deterent.
I put the odds of my EVER taking bets again at 1000 to 1.
Granting illegal aliens and illegal employers excatly what they want for violating the same rule of law that I did doesn’t seem to be much of a deterent from here.
It wasn’t the last time we tried it in 1986.
Sorry Tom, those pesky facts. You may want to go with the fact that I am bald an ugly too - that should help your argument too ehh?
Illegal immigration should have stopped on 9/11. It did not. Chambliss and Isakson are willing to risk their re election and the GOP BETTING on Bush securing the border because of ANOTHER LAW. Odds against: 10,0000 to 1.
By Will Jones
May 28, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
Chambliss and Isakson must be replaced by intelligent patriots willing to read “The New Pearl Harbor.” Bush did 9-11. His father helped kill Kennedy and his Knight of Malta grandfather was Hitler’s banker for Rockefeller and the Roman Catholic Church.
Seems “odd” that supposed opponents of illegal immigration are unwilling to confront the Roman Church as the main force behind the growth of illegal immigration in our country.
“Funny” how many names thought ordinary “American” are those of Roman Catholic families.
By Debbie
May 29, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
Just excuses for not voting for the Vitter ammendment to do away with amnesty. Isakson and Chamblis could have introduced ammendments to put those things back into the bill. What a cop out!
I urge everyone to check out these web sites and see for yourself.
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/senateaction0507.html
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/rollcalllists/rollcallvote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00180
By Debbie
May 29, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
Brad, so you advocate the tax payers spending upwards of 6 TRILLION dollars in order to keep farmers supplied with cheap labor? The Heritage Foundation has estimated this bill could cost up to 6 TRILLION dollars. Pretty costly food… Talking about disconnect…
Business owners using this illegal labor are enriching their bank accounts at tax payer expense. These illegals might work cheap but end up costing billions in health care costs, education, etc.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/sr14.cfm
By James
May 29, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
Isakson, King said, “went on to outline that the bill calls for 18,000 Border Patrol Agents to be hired and on duty and 370 miles of fence and border security.”
Congress passed a bill last year mandating that 700 miles of fence be built. So this new and improved bill has reduced that by almost half. And they are trying to sell this bill as improving on existing border security?
By Brad
May 29, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
No…DA I think his point is when you have someone so agressively misleading the public and playing politics with border security…consider the source. Can you even vote?
By brad
May 29, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this
I’m not advocating anything of the such. My point was simply those “few farmers” still make up the largest industry in Georgia.
By Emery Woodall
May 29, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
Who does this bill benifit? Big business. Legal cheap Mexican labor free from any lawsuits. Who gets screwed? America thats who.
Vote these bums out or better yet sign my petition to recall them!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RecallSelloutGASenatorsChambliss/index.html
By Philly
May 29, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
Brad is trying the Clinton strategy of, “If you can’t kill the message, try to kill the messenger.” It won’t work.
The whole thing with D.A is OLD news. To quote the Bible, “He who is without sin, cast the first stone. It is clear that Brad either works for Chambliss or Isakson and they are trying to silence D.A. and it ain’t going to work. They are many of us that believe the same way D.A feels. Are you going to try to silence us too?
As far as I am concerned, D.A and other patriots like him are the heroes and Isakson, Bush, Chambliss are the traitors trying to sell out our country to Mexico and big business.
I notice that both Senators from Alabama are fighting this bill. I never thought I would say this, but I actually envy Alabama in that they have two STRONG Patriots and conservatives fighting illegal immigration and amnesty. Georgia has two turncoats…
By Philly
May 29, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
Mexico City crowd boo Miss USA in Miss Universe pagent.
http://www.breitbart.tv/missusa.html http://www.breitbart.tv/trumpmissusa.html
By Stew
May 29, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
It’s not just a few farmers from South Georgia who have Senator Chambliss’ attention. Follow the money, all the way back to Mexico.
“Georgia agri-business lines up behind Chambliss, Isakson on immigration reform Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 06:08 PM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Just got off the phone with Wayne Lord, a vice president for governmental affairs with Pilgrim’s Pride, the largest chicken company in Georgia, and the United States as well. He’s up in Washington, trying to build support for the immigration reform package now being debated in the U.S. Senate. Lord is also chairman of Georgia Employers for Immigration Reform, a group of 25 or so major businesses that are backing the play of U.S. Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, who helped negotiate the bipartisan compromise.”
Pilgrim’s Pride Corporation (NYSE: PPC) is the largest chicken company in the U.S. and the second-largest in Mexico.
Since completing the acquisition of Gold Kist in late 2006, Pilgrim’s Pride’s consolidated annual net sales are approximately $7.4 billion.
Pilgrim’s Pride is currently ranked #432 on the Fortune 500 list of largest U.S. corporations.
Pilgrim’s Pride employs approximately 56,500 people in the U.S. and Mexico.
Major facilities are in Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, Puerto Rico and Mexico; other facilities are in Arizona, Iowa, Mississippi, Ohio and Utah.
http://www.pilgrimspride.com/aboutus/
By Charles Wilson
May 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
Everyone realizes this is a very hot issue, however it isn’t necessary to let Bush haters (Will Jones) use this site as a forum to vent their far left views. For those of us who want to find a solution, we must continue to apply pressure on ALL of the senators who are for the this bill and thank those who are against it. To say it is too late to do anything is ridiculous. The border can be secured and very quickly … by the end of the year at the latest. Secure doesn’t have to be a huge wall. ALL social services can be stopped for ANYONE who isn’t a citizen and a water or gas bill doesn’t qualify for citizenship. It also means no more Spanish when you call government agencies … especially Social Security. Now, here is the issue that separates those who talk a big game and those who are willing to act. ANYONE caught using illegal aliens … (undocumented workers for the faint of heart) will be fined $5,000 per worker, go to jail for at least 90 days … and pay the deportation costs. Landlords must prove citizenship of tenants and only have immediate family members and the number of tenants the housing was designed and zoned for. No eight and nine people living in a two bedroom apartment.
Now, I ask you, how long would it take the migration south to start if this was put in place? With 10% of the Mexican population living here, we need to realize that maybe 1% to 2% are contributing ANYTHING to the bottom line. The rest are sucking on us like a cancer. As past president Luis Echeverria said in 1984, “The enormous idol tht holds the capitalistic structure has clay feet … The cancer cells that we have injected in his bloodstream are working steadily and efficiently in an organism that is already corroded …” Any elected official who believes the bill being introduced is the right thing to do has let their perceived importance/intellegence cloud their mind. If you are still unconvenced, go to this site: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=numb
By Will Jones
May 30, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this
“Charles Wilson” judges America’s Founder’s views “far left?” Does he think he is smarter than Thomas Jefferson? Mr. Jefferson sussed the Anti-Christ and I, no hater, merely pass it along with historical currency for any legitimate American citizen wishing to honor our birthright, rather than permit it to be stolen by those we came here to escape. Mr. Wilson fails to address the issues taken with the president, and instead wishes to speculate about this poor observer’s motives.
That Bush slid under a locked door to the Vietnam-free Guard through his JFK-killing Congressman-father’s cheat does not make me hate him. I feel only sorrow and contempt. That he is obviously a closet homosexual having to hire a $200/hour male homosexual prostitute for “comfort,” Jeff Gannon/James Guckert, does not make me hate him. I feel only pity.
But when Bush committed 9-11 as a tool of his Rockefeller/Knight of Malta-tributary family and sent his betters to die for another Roman Catholic lie as his father killed John Kennedy to send us to Vietnam, my outrage knows no bounds. Hate evil, hate the sin, love the sinner.
The best America can do for Rome’s Fifth Column sinner/traitors is to bring them to justice, that their souls may be once more reconciled to Our “Annuit Coeptis” Creator.
Protect our sovereign borders. Confiscate the assets of Rome in Our Land as their proof of treason is manifestly obvious in their “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry.” Humanely treat those poor slaves from below the border who have been brought here by the tax-free Roman Church and their treasonous collaborators to overthrow the American Working Class on behalf of the fascist plutocracy.
The Truth speaks for itself. Let us solve the problem by removing it from Our Holy Land. Let America be the Land of Promise once more: where Truth and Righteousness prevail.
May the tongues of liars and necks of traitors be cut off. Amen.
By Tom Jones
May 30, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this
“Congress passed a bill last year mandating that 700 miles of fence be built. So this new and improved bill has reduced that by almost half. And they are trying to sell this bill as improving on existing border security?”
No, he is saying that the 700 miles should be built. He is saying that they need to build at minimum 370 miles of that 700 miles before the trigger can be pulled. That, combined with the UAV’s, agents, and ground radar are enough to provide control of the border. Add in the other 330 miles of fencing and you get that much more security.
“Just excuses for not voting for the Vitter ammendment to do away with amnesty. Isakson and Chamblis could have introduced ammendments to put those things back into the bill. What a cop out!”
And so could your hero, David Vitter. He could have offered a substitute that said the criminal background check, the mandatory english classes, the terrorist watch list check, etc. were still required. But he didn’t. That makes me believe he doesn’t think illegals should be subject to those things. Why aren’t you questioning that? Oh right, that would run contrary to the points you are trying to make. What a cop out…
“Yo…Tom Jones, whoever you are. It is true that 30 years ago I plead guilty to an illegal gambling charge. Nice detective work there sir, since I gave all info on this to the AJC last year and they ran it frontpage - above the fold METRO section last year - and anyone who knows me understands that it is no big secret - what is your message here? Marginalize the messenger? How inventive! ( I think you and Jerry Gonzalez may play together.
Consider this: Since I did take bets on football games and did plead guilty and did see the effect of law enforcement, it served as a deterent.
I put the odds of my EVER taking bets again at 1000 to 1.”
And my point is that your penalty matched your crime. Under federal statute for the type of crime this is the penalty matches the crime. It may not be what you want, but then again you guys are letting perfection be the enemy of the good.
“As far as I am concerned, D.A and other patriots like him are the heroes and Isakson, Bush, Chambliss are the traitors trying to sell out our country to Mexico and big business.”
What a hero. Let’s deify him. Build a statue. Rename streets.
It’s easy to sit on the sidelines, never put your name on a ballot for public office, and then criticize those who have. It’s easy to be part of the problem, and not part of the solution. It’s easy to be an armchair politician/quarterback.
Hero? Whatever…
“I notice that both Senators from Alabama are fighting this bill. I never thought I would say this, but I actually envy Alabama in that they have two STRONG Patriots and conservatives fighting illegal immigration and amnesty. Georgia has two turncoats…”
I also notice that Sen. Sessions has made numerous speeches in which he paid tribute to the work Sen. Isakson has done on this issue. In fact, on May 16th he said the following on the Senate floor:
“Senator Isakson from Georgia offered a commonsensical approach that we should not give benefits to individuals until we are sure that the immigration system is not continuing to be broken and not working. It would simply require the borders to be secured before the new immigration programs are implemented. But it was rejected on the floor after debate last year 40 to 55 because the leaders who so-called put together that bill last year agreed they would vote against any amendments that had any significant impact on the legislation. So they all got together and voted against a commonsensical trigger. We need such a trigger in this year’s legislation.
Without an enforcement trigger, we are unable to assure the American people that immigration reform in 2007 will be any different from 1986, when the promises of future enforcement, made in exchange for the amnesty given in 1986, never materialized.
That is what happened. In 1986, they said there were about 2 million people here illegally. We set up a system to grant them amnesty. We changed some laws to supposedly make the immigration system more lawful in the future. When amnesty was handed out, turned out to be 3 million people were here illegally. We had a big percentage of those who claimed amnesty, and who got it—got it on fraudulent claims—when they really were not entitled to it. That is the history of immigration reform in 1986—20 years ago. So we need to make sure, this time, when legislation passes, it will actually work. Isn’t that what the American people want of us?”
Seems Sen. Sessions supports Sen. Isakson’s approach.
By Will Jones
May 30, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this
Rome issued their stratagem for using illegal immigrants to take-over the U.S. in 1987 and now there are 20 million illegals here, primarily Hispanic Roman Catholics. Any “American” unwilling to confront that causal relationship is avoiding an obvious truth…whether for a lack of integrity or intelligence. Take the Beast by its pedophile horns and let us cast it into the Pit, together. Our Whig Founders took on King and Pope and created America. We must follow them and the “King of America,” they followed then.
Death for Treason.
By Anti-NeoCon
May 31, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
Will Jones—
Don’t blame “Rome” or the Catholic church for what happened (or failed to happen)in 1987 on immigration. If you’re going to lay the blame anywhere, lay it the feet of His Holiness, Ronald Reagan. He and his administration couldn’t have done a better job of opening up our borders if it had been done by the government of Mexico.
By Will Jones
May 31, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
Ronald Reagan’s was a Roman Catholic White House for your information. It was he who established diplomatic relations with the Vatican for the first time in U.S. history. IranContra was run by his VP (who, with the CIA, killed JFK six weeks after we had been ordered out of Roman Catholic Vietnam…and is the “father” of the homosexual draft-dodger cheated into the White House by the Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court) to shore up the failing interests of the Roman Catholic plantation owners/elite of Nicaragua. How can any absolve Rome for illegal immigration when their “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry” outlines and states clearly their treasonous stratagem…and they sign it. Proof like that is inarguable. What American would defend such infamy?
Reagan, whose line is cut-off, was a tool of Rome and Rockefeller, as is the Bush family. It is incumbent upon the American People to cut-off Rome’s Fifth Column now.