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By thanos

May 19, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

The GOP is toast in 2008 due to decisions like this. I hope Chambliss knows that this will be his last term in office.

Of course, the GOP is so corrupt that he probably doesn’t mind.

By bugger

May 19, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Blind ideology and bigotry has infected the Republican Party and it may be fatal. Why aren’t these same people as gung ho about sealing borders where it’s really needed to keep Americans from being killed (Iraq)? Something we should have done before taking one step toward Baghdad still has not been done and Americans are dying because of it.

But because non-terrorist people from our own hemisphere, who love America are here illegally, the reactionary, facist Republican faithful want a boondoggle wall and to send them all back … because many of them are brown, I might add.

I’m against illegal immigration, too. But we have to fix a problem of our own making and shooting ourselves in the crotch to accomplish it is stupid. We need this labor. The U.S. should have had control of its border and a workable guest worker program decades ago.

The Republican Party of today is not the one I joined 27 years ago. It is empty of ideas, statesmanship and leadership. And the other side is no better. Maybe it’s time to cash out and cross the border the other way.

By Claude

May 19, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Employers do not have a “right” to a plentiful supply of minimum wage labor. If you have a task that needs to be done, you may offer a job, and you may offer it at minimum wage with no benefits. But if no one accepts your offer, you have either improve the offer until someone accepts, do the job yourself, or let the job go undone.

People are tired of employers who attract illegal immigrants by offering them employment, but stick it to the community for the health care and other services that illegal immigrants use but can’t pay for.

By Gary

May 19, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

The immediate repudiance for any type of dialogue shows that nearsightedness on behalf of Georgians will only push the state further down the development spectrum against more forward thinking regions of the country. What is ironic is that the state acts like most of it doesn’t need these workers and is a white-collar only economy.

By Carl

May 19, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Would to goodness we had two potted plants instead on the jokes Chambliss and Isakson. How much longer do we conservatives have to put up with the pseudo liberal Democrats in conservative clothing? VOTE AGAIN’ THE ONE THAT’S IN! Maybe we can get some conservatives to run if we get rid on these double talking forked tongue liberals. Conservatives need to pledge NEVER again to vote for a “go along with the liberals” just because the Republicans nominated him/her. I cannot wait until the next election. If I gotta have a liberal in office, I would rather have a democrat than these lily livered opportunist demo/repubs trying to convince me that what I know to be wrong is right!

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 19, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

I beg to differ, we DID ELECT TWO POTTED PLANTS TO THE SENATE!

Why do we adopt that stance that we can send manufacturing jobs overseas because they can be done cheaper over there…and then not apply that same argument for American agriculture????

Have farmers raise/double the wages they pay Americans to pick the crops. We will just have to pay a few cents more for our food anyway…most of the markup in food is being done by the “middle tier”. That aspect will not change only the “harvesting” component will increase in price. Another effort could be made to spur INNOVATION in mechanical ways to harvest the crops. With enough demand and the resources that we devote to illegal immigrants, we can solve the problem of harvesting agricultural products.

The Republicans held the Senate, House, and the White House for the last 6 years…and did not pass the kind of immigration reform they wanted. HOW STUPID CAN THE REPUBLICANS AND CHAMBLISS AND ISAKSON BE!!! No more LAME excuses for not acting earlier. Any high school teacher would have graded your effort with a BIG FAT FFFF!!!!

This bill does not to STOP FURTHER ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. New illegal immigration should be a FELONY and they should ENFORCE IT! WE ARLREADY HAVE IMMIGRATION LAWS THAT ARE NOT BEING ENFORCED!!!

This month start having ICE raids in each state, TWO ICE RAIDS PER MONTH!!! Start with contruction sites, hotels, poultry plants, etc. We will start to see significant SELF-DEPORTATION within 6 months. Our potted plants in the Senate do not want to try this because they KNOW IT WILL SUCCEED…and they don’t want that. They want PLENTIFUL, CHEAP LABOR for their business interests. Business doesn’t care if the general public has to foot the bill for services for illegal immigrants. People are mad at Wal-Mart for not paying their staff enough money…well, they aren’t the only employers that have that problem.

This new bill has NO PROVISIONS to stop the problem of ANCHOR BABIES from the temporary worker program.

This new bill has way, way too many visas allocated for family members. These workers are mostly UNSKILLED workers that will be a drain on the taxpayers. It also severly limits that number of new immigrants from countries that don’t share a border or close proximity to the USA!!! Why should immigrants from these countries get a free pass now and in the future. Make immigration a more equal opportunity offering!!!

The new bill also increases the limits on H1-B workers that is currently severely depressing wages in the IT and other technical fields. Why hire Americans when you can have foreigners for HALF THE PRICE??? Americans can’t raise a family on $40,000/year. So much for FAMILY VALUES…that was just so much baloney from the Republicans. Federal agencies employ more H1-B workers on IT projects than American programmers…and the Republicans could CARE LESS!!!

I am disgusted with both Isakson and Chambliss and will work actively against their re-election. Their efforts are too little and too late!

Again, why not try a BIG BUMP IN ICE RAIDS IN EVERY STATE!!!

By Canes Fan

May 19, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

This attitude is exactly why the republican party lost the houise and senate. They will most likely lose the WHITEHOUSE if this arrogence does not stop. As a resident and registered voter who votes I can tell you if this pig in the poke immigration reform passes there will be a concerted effort to put Saxby out. I want our border secured, cities who enact sanctuary laws,Illegals who are breaking the law, and employers who hire illegals punished. I am tired of hearing what we can not do. Get a spine, and find the courage to stand up for the citizens of America and reward those who are here legally and immigrating the right way.

By Philip

May 19, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Immigration reform is long overdue, and this bill is a positive step for our country. It’s also nice to see Republicans and Democrats working together.

By Zathras

May 19, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

The merits of the immigration bill — which is still in draft form — are one thing and the politics are another.

Republican “strategists” (this word refers to professional campaign consultants) aware that their meal ticket for the last four election cycles, President Bush, is increasingly unpopular even in Georgia, see getting people stirred up over Mexican immigrants as critical to getting Republican voters to vote. But in the meantime some of their counterparts in the Democratic Party are thinking that come 2009 they will likely have a Democratic President and larger Democratic majorities to work with. This could lead to a more straightforward amnesty bill, without improvements in border enforcement or a guest worker program for Mexican immigrants that assures some of them won’t stay in the country forever.

Republicans can either cut a deal on immigration now, or get cut out of one later.

By Skeptical

May 19, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

First, anything Ted Kennedy thinks is a great idea must be approached with much caution. We don’t need to “promise” the 12 - 20 million or more illegals (in this country currently) citizenship in any way, shape or form. The $5000 the government says they’re going to charge each applicant is not a drop in the bucket of the cost these people have already incurred with social services, health care, schools, driving and having wrecks with no insurance, etc, etc. Much less the future costs…do you want to get anything from the Social Security program you’ve paid into for years?

Apparently the bill says we’re going to give more weight to the more educated, english speaking immigrants…how does that tie with Chambliss and others saying we need this bill to have farm labor, and other labor force members….the educated, english speaking folks in Mexico and other countries don’t want to do that kind of work!

Also, Isakson says the visas to let these people back in won’t be allowed until the border is “declared” secure!! What the h—- does that mean? All of us know that someone in Washington can “declare” the border secure while it’s still as wide open as a barn door. Similar to Bush making a big deal of “declaring” the war won in Iraq (forgot how he phrased it exactly).

Call or send e-mails to both Isakson and Chambliss right now to let them know how you feel. It’s too late to write!!!

Go to this site http://www.senate.gov/general/contactinformation/senatorscfm.cfm?State=GA and click on their “webform” address, fill out the info, write your note and hit submit!!

Hurry!

By tom

May 19, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

The current bill will result in 100 million Hispanics coming into this country in ten years.

What we need is draconian enforced laws against the employers of illegals. Employ illegals and you will be shut down.

Cut off the all federal and state subsidies to illegals.

The illegals are destroying our schools, neighborhoods, and the health care industry. Mexico is a country with a deeply rooted culture of corruption. They are exporting a class of people who selectively follow only the laws that suit them. I see this everyday. I receive a daily email from the Gwinnett county sheriff’s department on who was arrested in my zip code area. The arrest reports are full of Hispanics: no licenses, no registration, no insurance, and what ever other crime they committed. A dozen or so daily. If this is just one zip code in Gwinnett, are we to assume that their must be 100 or so daily arrested in the county. That is two busloads daily that should be headed south.

Our representatives need to do the will of the American people and stop pandering to business looking for cheap labor. Stop them at the border and set the conditions so they go home.

No amesty, no reward for breaking the law.

By JR

May 19, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Too many people have used the farm labor problem as an excuse to look the other way. Now the same is happening in the building industry. The illegals and the people hiring them are reaping the benefits. Not only should all immigrants have papers, a child should not automatically become a U.S. citizen just because they are born on U.S. soil. Why should anyone visiting in another country, legally or illegally, expect their child to automatically gain citizenship just because they are born there.

By Michael H. Smith

May 19, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Good-bye Senators! We need a new political party to represent we Americans. The Democrats and the Republicans have proven to be one and the same - anti-U.S. citizen - bird of two wings.

Bring back the Teddy Roosevelt Americanism of the Progressive Bull Moose.

By Chris

May 19, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

It is tough to accept something like that however, reality is that these immigrants are not taking the jobs away from Americans or legal residents, for the most part, we have grown away from agricultural period. Like the senator said, we can send them home and import, or fix the problem. It is true that as a nation this problem got out of control, we can kick and complain about it or grab it by the horns now before it gets worse.

By John

May 19, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Obviously, Congressional Democrats (and Republican panderers) ARE NOT going to offer meaningful immigration legislation as long as they are controlled by special interests.

As a Republican, I resent “Amnesty Saxby” telling me he’s going to educate me!

The Georgia General Assembly needs to pass a simple immigration bill:

NO ILLEGAL ALIENS ALLOWED IN GEORGIA!

Any employer (corporation or individual) caught employing an illegal alien is to be found guilty of a felony and fined $10,000 for each illegal alien employed. $5,000 rewards should be offered for each illegal alien found. Whistleblower protection should be offered to corporate insiders.

No landlord should rent any residential property to any illegal alien or be guilty of a felony and $10,000 fine if they do. Same $5,000 reward program with the same whistleblower protection.

There is no need to create law enforcement positions here since the $5,000 reward incentive should more than do the job - certianly better than government workers.

SIMPLE SOLUTION: No jobs - no housing.

THAT SAID: If this simple solution were enacted, watch all the two-face hypocrites coming running and complaining because who then is going to mow their grass, wash their cars and clean their houses? Who is going to build all those new houses? Who is going to wash dishes and bus tables in restaurants? Who is going to pick the tomatoes and peaches on our Georgia farms? Who is going to work the assembly lines in all of Georgia’s chicken processing plants?

God knows, if we rid Georgia of all illegal aliens; Western Union would go out of business, pay-day lenders would dry up, buy-here pay-here car lots would disappear as would coin laundrys.

No legislation will ever be enacted ridding the USA of illegal aliens unless and until the hypocites come to grips with reality:

Illegal aliens have filled a legitimate economic need and labor void in our economy because another entire class of native born would rather be on welfare, unemployment, worker’s comp, social security disability, WIC and so called “entitlement programs!”

By Chris

May 19, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Lets just accept it, our government is just not going to go and pick up illegal immigrants and send them home. If we think differently, then every single one of us complaining about these measures should run to be a government official and make a difference.

By Rachel Trout

May 19, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Chambliss cannot stay on a horse when he is hunting with VP Cheney in Albany, GA so why should we expect him to be straight with us on immigration reform.

By charles corley

May 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Remember the republicans use to be the democrats.They changed colors. What does ga. produce that will turn brown and stink in 2 wks. The ga. republicans in the U.S.house are so sure of re-election that they are the only republicans that are willing to go to the well and call democrats traitors on c-span. Does anybody know that George McGovern flew 25 bomber missions over Germany in world war 2 and that newt gingrich married his h.s. math teacher to avoid the war.

By you are all dumb

May 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

wake up. accept reality and deal with it.

By Bonnie

May 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Do these idiots not remember the amnesty bill of 1986? The “enforcement” part of that bill went by the wayside quickly, and the “enforcement” (cough) provisions of this bill will, too.

And, for all those “compassionate” people who only care about the illegals who want jobs, how about showing some of your “compassion” by not wanting to create a permanent underclass to provide you with cheap labor?

By Loco Lee

May 19, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

I hope Georgians remember that Saxby was one of the archetects of today’s immigration mess. Before entering the Senate, he was the Chairman of the Congressional Judicial subcommittee for Immigration, Citizenship and Border Protection. The mess we have today was his making.

By American by Birth!

May 19, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

As penance, Sen. Amnesty and Sen. Juan of Georgia need to propose the following constitutional amendment:

“No baby born in the United States shall automatically become a citizen of the United States unless it is documented the baby’s mother and father were citizens of the United States at the time of birth.”

By Nathan

May 19, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

This is not just the Republicans that are against this bill, it is the vast majority of America. And unions should be way against this bill since it will continue to drive down wages. Imagine the welfare costs for 20,000,000 now legal “working poor” and now add that amount to the already broke social security fund!

56% of America think we should use an enforcement only approach. Just imagine if someone was on your front lawn and you called the police. The police show up and make him pay a fine, but after that, you have to let him stay, use your water and food, and you get billed for his retirement and family medical bills.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 19, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Several of our bloggers have made good points here.

As far as getting illegals to leave, the REPUBLICANS have to have the President increase the number of ICE raids!

We do not need to have future visas based on family relations. We need skilled workers, we are getting ready to grant citizenship to 20 million unskilled workers…do we really need more? Yes, I know, they won’t do the jobs that Americans won’t do much longer…especially at slave wages.

How are we going to check criminal records? We don’t know who is in the country currently. They have many aliases!!! We pick up the same illegal for driving drunk or without a license 50 times without any action being taken. Just check out how many times the illegals who plotted to terrorize Fort Dix were caught breaking our laws.

Make them renounce their citizenship to their home country. Otherwise, they can commit crimes here in the USA and escape back to their home country. Those countries are not allowing extradition to the US to face criminal charges!!!

By Chief Wiggum

May 19, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Well, well…

We find out about his arrogance. He says that “he took the crowd’s reaction as a lack of popular understanding of the shape of the current immigration system.”

Of course…the problem is us. We’re just not smart enough to understand the big business need for cheap labor.

Here is some advice to the posters here…can you NOT say something clear, coherent, and to the point without a long diatribe? I refuse to waste my time to read some foaming-at-the-mouth manifesto. Trim it down, make it clean and concise.

Gotta run, the HOT sign is on, and they give me a buy 2, get 1 free special. One of the perks of the uniform, you know.

By Cheryl

May 19, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

I keep wondering how these employers are going to react once these illegals, whom they love so much, get started on the road to citizenship. They will not be so anxious to work for meager wages then, so who will the employers hire? The working Americans will end up supporting tons of new citizens that can’t find work. Way to go, Congress!!!!

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 19, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

The following GREAT idea from CATLADY:

We deliver illegal immigrants to the American embassy in their home country. And we deduct the cost of the deportation from any aid we give that country.

By Davo

May 19, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Where was Saxby during Vietnam?

By Richard

May 19, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

It looks like the leader of the Republicans in Congress is Ted Kennedy.

By Johnalso

May 19, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

To “you are all dumb”, I contend that if your judgement is correct, then you are even dumber. Those who wrote above you: 1. Are already awake and very much aware. 2. They have accepted reality. The reality is that we are represented for the most part by “sell-out, corrupted, crooked, would be snake-oil salemen” who had better be looking for new people to accept thier pretentious lies and selfish, bline, egotistical ambitions. As a veteran I have had to seek help from the “mighty warrior” Saxby and was sickened by his office’s lack of intelligence, professionalism, and awareness. The old saw about “I will see that Mr. Chambliss knows of your concern” just don’t cut the mustard. 3. They are indeed “dealing” with it, unlike you who simply spouts a blurb that is more of a belch. Just hide and watch this November, if you don’t believe it.

My advice would be a take off on President Reagen’s charge to Gorboshauf(sp): “Mr. Bush, BUILD THAT WALL!!!”

By vinney

May 19, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

I will not vote republican in the next election if our reps vote for this bill. Saxby does not have my vote, ley’s not cave in to the wpman killer Kennedy. We now have no balls reps from Georgia. let’ knock off the b****** and vote for the majority.

By R.C.

May 19, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Nobody here seems to understand the conservative objection. Allow me to sum it up:

HOW CONSERVATIVES THINK

The one hard-core attitude which pervades the conservative movement (in all its sub-groupings) is best summed up as “One Must Follow The Law/Rules, Without Reinterpreting Them In Weasely Ways; And Anyone Who Does Not Follow The Law Must NEVER Be Allowed To Get Away With It.”

This Rule-Following, Punishing-The-Rule-Breakers, Shouting-Down-The-Rule-Reinterpreters is the core of the conservative mind. It is what conservatives think about when they hear the phrase, “Rule of Law.”

The attitude of conservatives toward people who do not Follow The Rules depends on what these other people call themselves. If they call themselves “leftist” or “progressive” or “liberal,” then conservatives think them dimwitted, childish, and silly. But if they call themselves “conservative,” yet STILL don’t Follow The Rules, conservatives are outraged: They view this as Treasonous.

Like it or not, agree or not, that is how conservatives are wired.

Think I’m exaggerating? The examples are endless: One sees this dynamic played out again and again in American politics.

Gay marriage, for example: Conservatives who get along quite well with gay co-workers abhor this idea because it’s against the rules, as traditionally defined.

Or, look at how often philandering conservative politicians lose their office (Newt Gingrich, for example), compared to left-leaning politicians. The left-leaning party base doesn’t care about the “Follow The Rules” paradigm, so philandering is considered mere gossip-fodder. But conservatives insist that He Who Breaks The Rules Must Face Consequences. So, they punish the philanderers.

Why is it that conservatives who say something vaguely racist lose their positions of power (e.g. Trent Lott) but leftists (e.g. Robert Byrd) do not? Answer? Conservatives are very big about He Who Breaks The Rules Must Suffer Consequences.

Viewing the Constitution “As A Living Document” is similarly not Fair Play to a conservative; they like terms such as “Framer’s Intent.” Conservatives like a static, well-defined set of rules delineated once and for all, fair-and-square, with no contradictions, and no “morphing” over time. Ever noticed how the Christian denominations viewed as the most conservative take the most literalist view of their Scriptures?

With taxes, conservatives constantly refer to the promises made when the Income Tax was initiated: That it would never rise above single percentage points, that it was only a wartime temporary measure, that it would never exceed state taxes, et cetera. That all of these promises are now violated seems, to the conservative mind, the worst sort of cheat.

HOW THIS APPLIES TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION:

The reason illegal immigration so enrages conservatives is that It’s Against The Rules. They may talk about terrorists sneaking in disguised as Mexicans, they may talk about the stress on local governments and assistance programs, but those are all intellectual arguments only. It’s the Breaking Of The Rules that produces the emotional reaction.

The most common conservative assertion about illegal immigration is this: “I have no problem with ten million hard-working, willing-to-learn-English, honest persons coming here to make a better life for their families, PROVIDED they don’t break the law in doing so. And if the law doesn’t allow enough of them, fine: Change the law. But don’t break it.”

This, as one can easily see, has nothing to do with bigotry, and everything to do with a Follow The Rules mentality. Each political grouping in America has its crazy wing. But the foes of illegal immigration in the GOP are not the crazies; they are the mainstream. How could it be otherwise? The mainstream of conservatism is actually defined by the Follow The Rules mentality; it is their common vocabulary; it is what gathered them together as a political force to begin with.

For example, consider the debate about the $5000.00 fine in the current bill: Conservatives like it okay (it’s a Consequence for Breaking The Rules) but they can live without it. Most conservatives would happily forgo levying a fine on illegals, PROVIDED they returned to their home country and got in line BEHIND those who’d never entered the U.S. illegal. For that, of course, would be playing by the rules, and rewarding those who’d always done so.

Something To Consider: Anyone who explains the conservative opposition to amnesty (or anything that vaguely resembles amnesty) as “racism” is probably only searching for a reason to explain its fervor. If such a person does not understand the conservative Follow The Rules mindset, such fervor seems inexplicable. So one is tempted to say, “Oh, they must be racist.”

But when one understands the Follow The Rules mindset, all this fervor is explained quite easily. Conservatives (unlike left-leaning pro-labor groups) hate protectionism, and therefore welcome (legal) immigrants. But just TRY to sneak in without first “signing the guest register”, and conservatives want you shot. (If adult male, that is. Women and children, merely deported.) What’s the difference? Not nationality, or skin color. It’s whether you followed the rules.

In fact the percentage of anti-Mexican bigots in the conservative anti-illegal-immigrant movement is so vanishingly small, it’s silly to even mention it. It may fall well under one percent. (Compare this to the embarrassingly large percentage of self-identifying Democrats who believe George Bush had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks and allowed them to happen anyway; one poll places it a little under one-third!)

But each party has its crazies. The important thing for conservative politicians to understand on the subject of illegal immigrants is that they are not dealing with fringe crazies, but mainstream conservatism. They ignore this at their peril.

By vinney

May 19, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Mr. killer kenndy leads the republican party, the chappaquta king, Saby will follow his moves. I will not support the republicans in the next election. At least I know where the democrars are coming from, it’s no good but they are above the table with it.

By GaLiberal

May 19, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

All the handwrining and whining by Republicans about ‘amensty’ is just laughable. They show their racism and cover it with inflamatory language like ‘illegal’, ‘terrorists’, ‘taxes’, and ‘rule of law’. What they are really worried about is that they will ‘take over’ and replace our ‘Anglo-European’ heritage. Whine Whine Whine.

I oppose to this bill because it would allow a large number of people into the country who are willing to work for substandard wages. History shows that when there is a source of cheap labor, all wages fall for working families. The only ones that benefit are the wealthy who just get wealthier. Unless there is langauge that allows these workers to join unions and requires they are paid decent wages, this bill is not going to get broad Democratic support.

By Jack P

May 19, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

In the coming years, there will be an explosive increase in the crime rate and your govt will not be able to protect you. Prepare now to protect yourself and your family. Thirty percent of the prison population are illegal aliens. Will they be deported or released into society upon parole? Secondly, our country will face bankruptcy with the increase demand for govt aid. Taxes cannot be raised high enough to cover costs. We are a financial disaster waiting to happen. Who you vote for will not matter.

By Johnathan Howland

May 19, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Please take 5 minutes and go to CONGRESS.ORG. fax/ email every senator in Washington. then CALL Toll Free Numbers (800) 862-5530 (800) 833-6354 (866) 340-9281 (866) 220-0044 Amnesty=Civil War The way of peace is not capitulation The time is now.

By Dan

May 19, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Democrats are toast with me ever since Jimmy Carter.

Republicans are about to obtain the same status with me for not being more planned and forceful with the war and for their ridiculous surrender on the immigration issue.

Are there any candidate out there that is fiscally conservative, morally modest and pro middle class?

Failure of our elected officials to listen to the will of their constituencies is going to result in another year like 1968.

By GI Joe

May 19, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Davo-Where were you during Vietnam and the others(Democrats) that want to pull out and run? I will never vote for D@#* Democrats again. Some of you better wake up to the fact that freedom is not free. Build the Wall!

By Ticked off

May 19, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Well instead of being afraid of a bunch of marching Mexicans and other assorted illegal immigrants the Republicans should be afraid of p** off voters that have had enough!

These same Republicans want us to believe they will enforce the new rules. How about enforcing the current rules from the 1986 Amesty law! Chambliss and Isakson, start enforcing the laws already on the books before you want us to take your word (worthless) on this new bill.

By John the Conservative

May 19, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

I don’t care for any of the illegals breaking the law either, but this problem isn’t going away. We are in this mess since we have ignored the problem for 20+ years.

Until the Senators put pad to paper and actually show me a bill, I am going to reserve judgement. That also means that we ALL need to read the bill and not listen to just what the talking heads on TV and radio tell us is in there.

By george

May 19, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

All the talk about “we have to have” is really about what corporate America wants and that’s cheap” slave labor. Another thing we have imported, along with the illegal aliens is a corrupt illegitimate government just like Mexico’s. It will be a small consolation to see the implosion of the GOP. But all we can do for now is express ousrelves at the ballot box. This will be remembered as the time when our own government betrayed their country.

By Michael

May 19, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Aren’t we fighting Mexicans over there so they won’t follow us here? No wait, I’ve got the GOP sound bites mixed up.

The Republicans need to listen to guys like Ron Paul like the Democrats needed to listen to guys like Howard Dean in 2004. If you’re sick of how the federal government is doing things, stop voting for the same guys that have been a part of it for years!

Maybe we should stop bickering about abortion and illegal immigrants and start doing real things. This compromise is not perfect, but it’s a good start. Aside from sending illegals back, it would be a great thing to try. If it doesn’t work, try something else!

By Gus

May 19, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

I am baffled at how liberals support the influx of illegal immigrants to this nation. Aside from the mentally ill, self-defeating pleasure you get from observing the expected decline of this country’s Anglo culture and history, the influx of laborers who are willing to work for 50% or less of the prevailing wage rate for native tradesmen and other working class people in this country is killing blue collar America. If you really supported the labor movement and blue collar workers, you would end your support for this exploitative system which welcomes illegal immigration purely for monetary reasons.

By Ned Puddleman

May 19, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Saxby is the poster child of why I can no longer support the Republican Party. “Bad bill and make it better”. How about take a bad bill and kill it? It is time for the people to rise up against corporate american and their purchased politicans that are treasonist.

By Duke

May 19, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

I am not enthusiastic about Senator Chambliss’ performance in office, especially his support of such lunacy as ethanol. I also think that immigration is a cultural issue, part of the larger cultural war. There are two kinds of illegal immigrants. Many of them are better Christians, and better Americans, than most citizens. An easy way to distinguish between the two? Ban all social welfare benefits for illegal immigrants. That will solve the problem. But Senator Chambliss makes an important point: without migrant immigrant workers, American agriculture will be out of business.

By Richard

May 19, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

This bill is, pure and simple, a triumph for the lobbyists and not the American people as Lindsay Graham would have us believe.

On one hand the Republicans get their workforce to pick lettuce, and on the other hand the Democrats get future voters. It’s a win-win situation for the politicians while the American voter will, of course, suffer its consequences.

The myriad of hoops that the illegal aliens will have to jump through to reach citizenship will be modified time and again as the same lobbying groups and Democrats insist on a more humane and faster method toward citizenship be used. After all, they will and have argued, we don’t want fathers and their children to be separated.

If Bush signs the bill I offer the following scenario:

Sound implausible? Try this.

By chris

May 19, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Everybody has his/her own suggestions about how to deal with illegal immigration. So, here is mine. I am sure most of you extremist will agree with. How about if we build couple of concentration camps down in South Georgia. Put all the illegal alliens in them, work them to death and and then gas the rest. We actually don’t even have to come up with new laws…another extremist came up a good set of laws 60 years ago. His name was Hitler. After we finish with illegals we can move on to get rid of all other people that don’t look like us or don’t think like us - jews, blacks, asians, etc. After we finish with all of them we can all rejoyce in our arian harmony!!!! Stop blaming the illegals for your misery. Do they take job away from you? Well…if a guy with four years of schooling and not speaking English can take the job away from you, then you better go back to school. Get an education! Because if an illegal won’t take the job away from you, a mindless machine will - very soon. I am proud of our senators. They prove to me they are open minded people that can look beyond small time angry dogs like you and come up with a solution to a big problem. Successful people can see the value these immigrants bring to the country. Their labor adds to the overall wealth of the society. Small minded people only see somebody to blame or an excuse for their failed lives. Success doesn’t need excuses, only failure does.

By jim

May 19, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

I say next election send Saxby back to south Georgia where he belongs and let him work and live with all the Mexicans on his land down their. Good By Saxby you are toast next election

By TW

May 19, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

There is no more egregious abuse of the welfare concept than the $160k paid to Saxby Chambliss each year.

By george stewart

May 19, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

According to Pew Center, only 3 percent of the nation’s illegal immigrants work on farms. Five times as many fill construction jobs and ten times as many are in the service sector.

Chabliss’es comments about the need in agriculture is a smokescreen for the many other reasons that business want cheap labor.

By potbelly

May 19, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

Well there it is….thanks to you Chris “We actually don’t even have to come up with new laws…another extremist came up a good set of laws 60 years ago. His name was Hitler. After we finish with illegals we can move on to get rid of all other people that don’t look like us or don’t think like us - jews, blacks, asians, etc.”

See - Godwin’s Law Godwin’s Law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies[1]) is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.[2]

Godwin’s Law does not dispute whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued,[3] that overuse of the Nazi/Hitler comparison should be avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin’s Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

Godwin has stated[2] that he introduced Godwin’s law as an experiment in memetics.

By MAC

May 19, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Forget Saxby. Is there anything worse than Jimmy Carter’s views? Oh yeah, his PERFORMANCE as President. Calling Bush the worst in history after Carter’s presidency is the definition of delusional.

By larry

May 19, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

Our government has allowed this illegal problem in the first place and then wants to “resolve” it by a pathway to citizenship? Here in california the mexicans including the mayor are marching cause this plan isn’t lenient enough for them. they don”t respect this country and they say they’re taking it back and to add insult to injury the u.s.a. allows their offspring to be citizens.. and anybody that thinks differently hasn’t been around long enough to see what the country was like 30-40 years ago before the invasion. try going to mexico and pulling the crap these people do and see how compassionately they kick you out immediately.

By Linlithgow

May 19, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Obviously Chambliss has never heard of the tomato industry’s answer to the end of the bracero programme, or of how Australia solved their dearth of cheap labour with regard to harvesting of grapes for export as raisins.

It’s call the Free Market, Chambliss. Industry evolves and matures as need dictates.

By RepublicanJohn

May 19, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

The only time I ever voted for a Democrat was for Harry Truman. There is not a Democrat living this day that I would ever support.Our Two Senators will never receive my vote again. This Congress is Pathetic!! Immigration will destroy this once great country. Lord help us!!

By sam

May 19, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

By looking at your posts, I’d say the majority of you couldn’t pass the English proficiency exam!

By Bill

May 19, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Let’s be honest here - it is all about race! You can come up with all kind of stats and studies supporting any view out there. You just don’t like people that look differently than you. I know, you are going to accuse me for playing the race card. But it is obvious what do you guys think. Well..good luck with your miserable lives.

By Kiss Our Potted Plant Senators Goodbye

May 19, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Nothing new in this immigration reform proposal. It’s just a reenactment of the 1986’s Simpson-Mazzoli Act which was never enforced by the federal government either. Illegal immigration has just been allowed to run rampant.

We can thank our potted plant Senators, Chambliss and Isakson, for doing nothing to reduce illegal immigration over the last 6 years!

Vote them out of office!

By Fed Up

May 19, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

I have just one question? If this ridiculous Immigration Bill is passed, does it set a precedent? What other laws are we now free to ignore next?

Apparently, there is a “free for all” attitude by our elected officials, so just feel free to speed when driving, not pay your taxes, junk up your lawns, steal someone else’s identity, etc. The list is endless now that respect for the rule of law is to be eliminated.

By Do not re-elect Chambiss or Isakson

May 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Senator Edward Kennedy, primary sponsor of the new 2007 amnesty bill, quoted before passing the 1986 amnesty bill: “First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same. Secondly the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset. Contrary to the charges in some quarters, (the bill) would not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated deprived nations of Africa and Asia. In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.”

The damage he did in 1986 is about to repeat itself.

Chambliss and Isakson were asleep at the wheel, they DID NOTHING to stop illegal immigration. In fact, Chambliss jumped all over the INS several years ago when they raided a group of workers picking Vidalia onions. Chambliss is knee deep in this mess and he has blood on his hands!

By Richard A

May 19, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Both GA Senators as well as Kyl represent the pro guest worker cheap labor wing of the GOP. If you want real immigration reform, the “we need guest workers” Republicans have got to be purged from the party.

By Ticked off

May 19, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

The only people celebrating this bill are the “open border people” and big business. Does anyone seriously believe that our government will enforce the deportation parts of this law? Does amyone really believe in two years our borders will be more secure?

The only part we will see enforced is the Amnesty part and 10 years from now our children will be facing the same problem.

I lived through the “86″ Amnesty and saw how well the government followed up on those enforcment laws. It took only 20 years for 12 to 20 million illegals to sneak across the border. History will prove that that number is more like 40 million.

Any elected official that votes for this bill, should hide their face in shame. And one last question, can anyone give me a good reason why this bill was written and debated is secret?

By Ticked off

May 19, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

I’m still outraged that special interest groups like NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA were involved in the crafting of this “deal” which I guess is now a bill.

Chambliss and Isakson NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT CONSULTING THEIR CONSTITUENTS, BUT THEY ARE IN BED WITH THE LA RAZA FOLKS. Soon we will be a third world country filled with chicken pluckers and onion pickers.

By Justin

May 19, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

This is a response to the PATHETIC hypothetical ‘solution.’ How about trying to seriously deal with this problem without the Micheal Moore high school immaturity (as hilarious and original as you are). This is not about people who look different. Legal immigrants are invited and welcome- this is about people with abject contempt for this country and our laws that’s illegal immigrants- not American liberals- just to clarify. Maybe you are so brainwashed in identity politics that you have no critical thinking skills save grouping people into skin color categories and condemning the lighter colored ones. Way to be open minded.

PS- Since you see yourself as so enlightened- maybe you should do a little reading on Mexico’s immigration policy. Your old reliable buddy Der Furor would surely prefer their policies.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 19, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

They have had plenty of time to FUND THE FENCE, but they have not done this simply little thing! They have NO INTENTION OF ENFORCING THESE LAWS, except the AMNESTY portion.

They haven’t enforced the 1986 immigration laws, they haven’t funded the fence from the last Congress, and they won’t enforce the new law either. We will be going through this madness again in another 15 years!

By BBT

May 19, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Stop voting for these idiots! Do you want government cheese? Vote for the Democrats. Do you want government guns? Vote Republican? The secret? Republicans aren’t anti-cheese like their rhetoric, and the Democrats aren’t really anti-gun and won’t really pull out of Iraq. Do you want something different? Vote for a third party people! I suggest Ron Paul for president, but don’t take my word for it. Do your research. How is this immigration reform bill really going to change things? It’s not. It’s just going to encourage more illegals to come to the US. It’s part of the plan to annex Mexico into the US and create a North American Union similar to the EU so that your lawmakers will be un-elected bureaucrats.

By Bill

May 19, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Wow, you guys are so smart. All of you have such good understanding of immigration issues in this country, and come up with such indepth solutions! Maybe you have to run for senate next time. Thank God we have smart people running this country that don’t listen to angry extremist like you.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 19, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

The illegal immigrants are thoroughly draining our country and eliminating the middle class. The only ones profitting are the upper class and large companies, hiring the illegal immigrants at low wages. Now the “jobs at Americans won’t do” are paying low wages … and American citizens are getting laid off unless they will take the lower wages (reference … Circuit City!). Middle class is supporting the medical care and education costs for the illegal immigrants. Why should my property taxes be used to give illegal immigrants a high school diploma from Georgia?

Saxby Chambliss, Johnny Isakson, Ted Kennedy, George Bush …. YOU REPRESENT THE US CITIZENS … NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS or BIG BUSINESS!!! DID YOU FORGET WHO ELECTED YOU TO OFFICE?

Our politicans continue to take advantage of us, now we need to make them pay a price for ignoring our needs and wishes!

By mightymouse

May 19, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

When you have 3 Mexican Congress members meeting with Ted Kennedy and Peolsi talking about OUR immigration laws……whose side do you think their on?

Closed door sessions with the ACLU,LaRaza,Big Business, churches, Spanish Senators, Spanish Caucus and NO anti-immigration spokesperson allowed, did you think it was going GOOD for Americans?

LaRaza is the group that found out last years House version was going to called the illegals “felons” THEY organized all the big street protest! And the Democrats killed the deal!!!!!!

Lost of votes you know!

By Wake up Georgia

May 19, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

You know, I would really like to see these politicians who vote for amnesty for these illegal aliens to live in same neighborhoods they do. Maybe it would be a wake up call!!!

Lets see if Chambliss and Isakson will live in a house overcrowded with a dozen illegals for a week and spend the days attending bilingual classes and see our children waste on the vine.

By BG

May 19, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

R.C.@ 3:26 - that’s an EXCELLANT post; my sentiments exactly. If the lady in Cobb County had “just followed the rules” then she wouldn’t have had to pay a “fine” by hiring a lawyer.

By dumb gringos

May 19, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

We mexcuns be legal soon and get free money from you dumb gringos.hahahaha

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 19, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

To Bill: We are surely smarter than you! This legislation was tried in 1986 and it didn’t work then.

What makes you think it will work now? Yeah, I didn’t think so!

By Black progress in Georgia

May 19, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

I am confused about my black social and economic progress.

Decades ago, as a little boy, I witnessed some of my black adult friends in Atlanta being turned-away at hospital emergency rooms, because they were black and poor.

Today, I get to pay the medical bills of criminal illegal Mexicans and I can’t swear anymore when I’m rappin’. My fun-meter is broke and I simply can’t handle any more progress.

By Jon Carry

May 19, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

“After the speech, Chambliss said he took the crowd’s reaction as a lack of popular understanding of the shape of the current immigration system.”

What an arrogant, ignorant fool.

By An American

May 19, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

Being a former Michigan boy, you Crackers ‘crack me up’. We now have 10% of another country’s population within our borders, illegally. Why are we not declaring war, instead of offering amnesty? Where is the use of the phrase ‘invading forces’ when describing ‘illegal immigrants’ (whatever THEY are)? We know what illegal alien invaders are. Why aren’t politicians being charged with treason for supporting the invading forces?

As for Sen.(or) Kennedy - this is the third time he has had a hand in the immigration ‘reform’, and twice before he has been successful in killing the enforcement elements of the law. Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

By Miller

May 19, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

My concern with the immigration bill is that these illegals will rapidly be going into hiding. Americans are rapidly becoming a minority who will be ruled by Latinos and/or Muslims. I am also very concerned with the state of our economy, being drained to give benefits to those who haven’t paid into the system. Our freedoms are also rapidly being taken away. When our legislators go behind closed doors to legislate and vote on a bill, and we are not allowed to know what is going on, that is WRONG. Our tax money is paying these people. Let’s bombard them with letters and phone calls. If we all stick together, we CAN make a difference. I applaud most of those posting comments. They are very good and true. Our situation today is very scary especially with Nancy Pelose at the helm.

By Bill

May 19, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

Our government has no shortage of “arrogant ignorant fools”

Our job now, is to separate them from the just plain fools.

By M. A. George

May 19, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Why is it that any objection to this bill is called a public “misunderstanding?” Excuse me. We understand it all to well. Wait and see.

By Stephen

May 19, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

A serious question here: If you are going to “regularize” 12 to 15 million illegals and make them Americans, then why do we need a guest worker program. Isn’t this enough people to handle the program?

Stephen

By Sam

May 19, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this

Immigrants for 3 generations will vote Democratic ( history proves this fact ). Republicans get their campaign cash from big business for cheap labor…..Democrats will get 12 million new voters once the Mexicans become US citizens

By Sam

May 19, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Immigrants for 3 generations will vote Democratic ( history proves this fact ). Republicans get their campaign cash from big business for cheap labor…..Democrats will get 12 million new voters once the Mexicans become US citizens

By Sam

May 19, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Immigrants for 3 generations will vote Democratic ( history proves this fact ). Republicans get their campaign cash from big business for cheap labor…..Democrats will get 12 million new voters once the Mexicans become US citizens

By Sam

May 19, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Immigrants for 3 generations will vote Democratic ( history proves this fact ). Republicans get their campaign cash from big business for cheap labor…..Democrats will get 12 million new voters once the Mexicans become US citizens

By Sam

May 19, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Immigrants for 3 generations will vote Democratic ( history proves this fact ). Republicans get their campaign cash from big business for cheap labor…..Democrats will get 12 million new voters once the Mexicans become US citizens

By Sam

May 19, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

Immigrants for 3 generations will vote Democratic ( history proves this fact ). Republicans get their campaign cash from big business for cheap labor…..Democrats will get 12 million new voters once the Mexicans become US citizens

By TW

May 19, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this

Sam - does your mom know your messing with her computer? Mexicans will vote Democrat because they actually read the Bible.

By Bobby

May 19, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this

These people lie every time they open their mouths. It IS amnesty. Congressman Tom Tancredo has been involved in the illegal immigration fiasco ten years before Chambliss and other Jonny come latelies, even came to the issue. Listen to Congressmans Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul,they will tell you the truth. Donate to TEAM TANCREDO.ORG AND KEEP THE FAITH. Hillary, Obaman, Romney, Giulianni, Brownback, Edwards, Richardson, and all the other establishment polticitans, will if elected, forget about those who elected them and ask themselves,”What else can I do for illegal aliens, La Raza, Mecha, Maldef, Lulac,etc. They are sickening.

By Bobby

May 19, 2007 10:52 PM | Link to this

Ticked off, here is another thing you can be surprised about when it comes to LA RAZA(the race)and all the other Raza groups,(Mecha, Lulac,etc)your having your tax money taken by “your” representatives and donated to them. How about that for a poke in the eye? Better tell all your friends and relatives, about the kind of rats they are voting into office.

By dog

May 19, 2007 10:58 PM | Link to this

ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL!!!! PUNISH THE CRIMINALS

By Mark

May 20, 2007 1:11 AM | Link to this

Senator Chambliss is wrong, some of us do understand the problem. Many businesses find employing Americans troublesome. They have to pay payroll taxes or run afoul of the 1099 rules governing independent contractors. They have to adhere to OSHA rules, wage and hour laws and pay Workers Compensation premiums. The Bush IRS has abetted the problem by refusing to enforce the tax code - especially in the construction trades. So we are going to import poverty so a few fat cats can make alot of money and the middle class picks up the tab. Yeah, the Republicans have taken a giant step in there longstanding ambition of wiping out the middle class as we rush towards the Democrats multicultural socialist workers paradise

By Mike

May 20, 2007 2:12 AM | Link to this

Americans have always had a problem with subsidies of the undeserving poor and subsidies of businesses. Some view the toleration of Illegal immigration is both. Big Businesses shift the cost of healthy care and education of their illegal workers to the tax payers. Meanwhile illegal workers reduce the quality and the value of labor. In effect American jobs are being outsourced to illegal’s whose heath care, education, etz are being paid by the very American workers whose jobs are endangered by Illegal immigration. Unions and American born minorities are particularly hard hit. So, I suspect this issue is dividing both parties.

By Mike

May 20, 2007 2:14 AM | Link to this

Americans have always had a problem with subsidies of the undeserving poor and subsidies of businesses. Some view the toleration of Illegal immigration is both. Big Businesses shift the cost of healthy care and education of their illegal workers to the tax payers. Meanwhile illegal workers reduce the quality and the value of labor. In effect American jobs are being outsourced to illegal’s whose heath care, education, etz are being paid by the very American workers whose jobs are endangered by Illegal immigration. Unions and American born minorities are particularly hard hit. So, I suspect this issue is dividing both parties.

By Sean

May 20, 2007 2:55 AM | Link to this

It’s scary that the Republicans are setting the stage for a third-party nativist candidate like Pat Buchanan to run for President.

It’ll be Hillary, Rudy and Buchanan running in ‘08. While a long-term fan of Rudy’s and hater of Buchanan, I would be hard-pressed to choose between the two.

The Republicans are simply useless now. There’s a big shakeup coming in the political landscape of the US, and it’s all the Republican’s fault.

By Sped Teacher

May 20, 2007 3:38 AM | Link to this

I AM a teacher and I give Saxby a grade of F. I was just one of many that booed. Newt—you had it right and we clapped and cheered for you. Grade = A.

This is not the Georgia Republican Party that I helped grow in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Saxby and Johnny—watch out. Ask Roy; teachers VOTE.

By Carmen Reynolds

May 20, 2007 5:36 AM | Link to this

Perhaps our good legislators should be required to work in a DFCS office for a few months before they can hold office. I found it offensive to have someone come in who couldn’t speak English but was accompanied by another who spoke only enough of my language to demand an intrepreter. Even more offensive, the taxpayers of Georgia are picking up the tab to provide this service for people who are in this country illegally.

I found it equally disturbing to have an elderly person who had worked and paid into the system, now living on a small social security check, apply for food stamps and be eligible for only $10.00 per month. An illegal alien with an “anchor baby” getting WIC for that child and over $140.00 of food stamps for the child.. Somehow, our priorities are all screwed up.

American people, Wake Up and demand more from our elected officials. Put their out of touch rumps in a local welfare office and let them get in touch with reality. They have no idea what is going on in the real world, and obviously don’t have the intelligence to make an effort to find out.

picking up the tab to pay intrepreters to accomodate these people.

By cohen

May 20, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

So much ignorance and racism permeates this debate. On a fundamental level, Billy Bobb hates Jose, regardless of whether Jose is here legally or illegally. Billy Bobb is afraid that Jose is taking over the country. US will be once again successfull in assimilating the new wave of immigrants and , for God’s sake, all these millions of people desevre to be treated fairly-majority of them work hard, pay taxes, and are not criminals.

By Seen It before in 1986

May 20, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Actually enforce the Immigration laws that are now in effect. That would be the REAL Comprehensive Immigration Reform!!!We as a Nation were promised in 1986 if we accepted that Amnesty, the Government would get tough and go after employers, beef up the Border Patrol, and never have a another amnesty again. Guess who wrote that law, Senator Kennedy who is again promising the exact same thing! This has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with our laws and national integrity.

By Loco_lee

May 20, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Cohen, Winston Churchill once said “the best arguement against a Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter”.

By lance sjogren

May 20, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

I believe a more accurate term for this bill is a “death to America bill”.

There are NO concessions in this bill to those who support an orderly immigration system. NONE.

This is a 100% Ted Kennedy bill.

Kennedy even cleared all its features with La Raza before agreeing to them.

By Michael H. Smith

May 20, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

So much bigotry exists against the American’s human right of self-governance as a sovereign nation in making laws meant to apply equally to all, even Jose’, that demonizing the American’s and their human right as ignorant and using the phony construct of racism to slur them, has become the commonly unfair manner in which a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own has to usurp that opinion for the American’s law.

In Jose’ sovereign country if Billy Bob is an illegal alien, no matter how hard Billy Bob works, no matter if Billy Bob does pay all the taxes due, no matter if Billy Bob speaks Spanish assimilates to Hispanic culture, Billy Bob is a criminal felon and has only two choices. Leave the country or go to jail.

Amazing how every nation on the face of God’s earth has the sovereign right to make and enforce laws of immigration, limit numbers of immigrants received and to deport people that break those laws; Howbeit, only the United States of America has bigots telling a lawful people they have no such human right to do as other sovereign nations, despite the very fact their Declaration of Independence says it is their unalienable right given to them by their creator.

By Willx

May 20, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Dear Senators Chambliss and Isakson:

A house on my street, which is zoned one-family, has been taken over by 8-10 Mexican men. They have trucks, cars, boats, women-on-the-weekend, tag-along cement mixers, utility trailers, and boom-boxes.

Please notify the INS and let them come pick up these people and return my street to the “single family” community it is supposed to be and once was.

No? Our government failed to secure our borders and does nothing about the illegals who are here except to offer a non-realistic way to achieve “amnesty.” Do we really think these people are going to pay $5,000 each to become legal. It doesn’t take the genius of a U.S. senator to know the answer to that question.

Our country is going down the tubes.

By lance sjogren

May 20, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

If this legislation passes, it will cause socioeconomic consequences that could very well destroy the US economy, and unleash a chain of events that ultimately lead to world war 3.

However, if we somehow survive that, I disagree with those pro-sovereignty advocates who believe it will be disastrous politically.

1). First of all, once the American people see their lives being destroyed by this legislation, they will massively vote out of office those politicians, both Democrat and Republican, who put their fingerprints on it.

2). Even in the long term, when the amnestied illegal aliens get citizenship- are they going to support MORE open borders policies? Will they support the same politicians that gave them legal status if those same politicians now want to bring in a NEW crop of foreign workers to take their jobs?

No, one thing the open borders side will NEVER have, no matter what happens, is the support of the public. The existing citizenry will never support open borders, and even illegal aliens that become American citizens will not support it.

The notion that the Democrats can turn the US into a one-party dictatorship by replacing American citizens with Latin Americans is a pipedream.

Now, as to Chambliss and Isakson:

They seem to have left the door open to reversing their position. But the fact that they would support this bill in the first place suggests that their brains have been fried in the same way that has happened to so many other Senators.

And they surely know that after what they have done, EVEN IF THEY IMMEDIATELY REVERSE THEIR POSITION, it is very hard to imagine the people of Georgia will ever trust them again, and thus their political careers are over the next time they’re up for re-election.

So, if they truly believe in this abomination, there is no political incentive for them to reverse their position. They are already toast politically.

By lance sjogren

May 20, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

One of the most infuriating things is that these Senators engage in such idiocy, and then have the audacity to claim that it is the AMERICAN PEOPLE who are ignorant.

Well, I actually happen to have researched the issue and written a book on it. (titled “Immigration Politics”. Don’t feel the need to go out and buy a copy, though, I wrote it in late 2005 with the idea it would only have a short shelf life because the political history I cover in there is quickly overshadowed by new developments)

By lance sjogren

May 20, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

The word in the activist community is that many Senators caved into this thing because, to their surprise, they have gotten much less feedback from the public in opposition to it than they expected.

And now they are telling us to shut up until they have the chance to explain it and give all the details.

They can’t have it both ways.

By John Butler

May 20, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Good to see the people of GA standing up to this sell out bill. Take it from someone in Ca you will look like this state in 10 years and that is not pretty. This bill requires has no provisions to make sure the Govt does what it says it will do IE boarder enforcment. MY guess is they wont

By Ernest

May 20, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Gaaaawwwwwwly Mr Chambliss, You’re right we ain’t nuthin but a bunch stupid hayseeds and just couldn’t possibly comprehend such intricate and highly complicated verbiage such as “comprehensive immigration reform”.

As someone stated above business has no more “right” to cheap labor then we do to a job. Sounds more like a socialist state then a republic to me. Not to mention what you traitors are attempting to do to the very fabric of the country itself. People like you and that little pipsqueak out of SC Mr Grahamn, who says we are all a bunch of bigots for wanting to protect our familes, communities and way of life, are working in tandem with the likes of Ted Kennedy and GW to help destroy this country.

By lance sjogren

May 20, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

I wonder if Chambliss is going to now “educate” us by telling the same lies that Ted Kennedy and George Bush have been telling about this legislation?

I don’t think that’s going to cut it with the public.

By Wesley Franklin

May 20, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

You pay the cost. I pay the cost. Foreiegn Corporations get rich. Food For Thought Irag’s Learn Spanish pages 29-32 of “A LINE IN THE SAND CONFRONTING THE THREAT AT THE SOUTHWEST BORDER” Senator Mc Cauls 10th District Texas Website http://www.house.gov/mccaul/

By lance sjogren

May 20, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

If this thing passes, one thing people will have to think long and hard about is:

With our elected government working to destroy our educational system, health care system, transportation system, the rule of law, the Constitution, and the economy, is it too late to try to work for progressive social change in any of those areas, or do we now have a government that has chosen to be such an intractible enemy of the people that the only option for individuals is to hunker down and do our best to protect ourselves from America’s enemies, the staunchest of which are elected officials who serve in Washington DC.

Even if this bill passes, my instinct is to try to salvage some vestiges of a prosperous and progressive society.

The key will be to vote out of office as quickly as possile the agents of the Treason Lobby.

By The Quadfather

May 20, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

I reckon the question now is if we dump Saxby and Johnny, where do we go? I for one don’t want to turn it over to the marxist democrats. They will grant the amnesty and with a majority they will implement their socialist agenda and we lose America. If we sit it out, same thing happens. We must be willing to stand up and vote for someone different. But we cannot vote for who doesn’t run. Write ins are hardly ever successful. I have looked at Tom Tancredo and I believe he would be the right choice for president. As for who would make good senators, I see no one on the horizon at this time. Maybe someone will emerge but with Georgia’s restrictive ballot access laws, that is doubtful. These laws need to be reformed.

By Michael H. Smith

May 20, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Well I am pro-sovereignty. As to disastrous politically, that is certainly up for opinions to differ respectfully. We do agree that Democrats and Republicans who support this treasonous legislation against the American people will face a vehement voter backlash in elections going forward. Personally, I’m looking for a split in the Republican Party and would not be surprised that even a few Democrats might join the ranks in formation of a new political party, which will focus on all major issues in fairness to the American people first and foremost. One only needs look at the egregious deficits created under this so-called Free Trade madness and the ludicrous abuse of immigration to import cheap replacement labor to realize that the American people our not getting a fair deal. But I think you will admit Mr. Sjogren immigration is a means of stirring the course of this nation. Because of this fact not only is immigration legal and illegal pertinent to sovereignty but as well to the often overlooked aspects found in the preamble of the Constitution. We have as U.S. citizens an inheritance to pass-on to our posterity, in that we also have vested interests to take into considerations. Such as: What we leaving our children and children’s children, in the national trust that is and shall be, their America.

On point two you are correct where the Democrats and Republicans are wrong. From personal experience drawn from over 20 years I can speak to the fact these immigrants legal and even illegal are not a monolithic group. In fact the vast majority which you’ll never see marching down the streets, they are truly very individualist in every possible way, including politically. In the Democrats they will see their social norms disrespected and in the Republicans they will see the big business relationship as near equal to the corruptions of a system that did not allow them opportunities to emerge from third world poverty.

I hope I’m right on the belief that a new political party will emerge from what can only be seen as the two wings of one and the same bird. For there is a presence of progressive populism moving about in this nation, across the spectrum from left to right. Lord knows we could sure use another fair deal Theodore Roosevelt to replace the current raw deal we have received at the hands of the two political evils misrepresenting us.

By Judy

May 20, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Why wait until the election, can someone start a recall of both Chambliss and Isakson NOW! We the people need to recall every Republican in the State of Georgia who is thinking of voting yes on this Amnesty Bill. We also need recall all the Republican’s who will not get the United States out of the Nafta treaties, and removed from becoming The North American Union. This Kennedy and McCain Immigration Reform Bill is just part of the The North American Union secret deal! We are already being referred to on the internet as the North American Union not the United States of American! All this is part of the New World Order to be completed by 2010. Why do you think the Senate is did all their agreeing privately behind closed doors, and want to vote on Cloture on Monday without any public debates? Why did Fox/Mexico, Bush/America and the Canadian Prime Minister behind close doors agree on NAFTA, and the North American Union without consulting Congress and the people of their countries, plus denied for years about the North American Union and the new Monster Highway from coast of Mexico thru the center of America to Canada? All the bills, treaties that are being past so secretly is to form the North American Union by 2010. All citizens of Mexico, America, and Canada better wake up NOW! The politicians want the citizens to fight amoungst our selves, by call each other racist, conservative neo-cons/liberal facists etc. While the politicians remove our rights as citizens, destroy our countries, destroy our Constitution and Bill of Rights! We are stupid,if we do not start removing the traitors of our countries from office NOW! OR WE ALL WILL BE SLAVES TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER OF ELITES and The Department of Chamber of Commerce!

By Fair warning

May 20, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

To the President and Congress of the United States of America; don’t incite anarchy.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 20, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Looks like the Republicans have handed the Democrats a long, long term controlling Congress and the White House.

The last two Presidential races were close.

Soon the illegals will become legal and start feeding at the public trough. Democrats will continue with more social programs and the Republicans will never be able to get their foot back in the door.

Looks to me like “Big Business” can look forward to yearly increases in the minimum wage. It will more than make up for all these years of “exploiting” the illegal workers.
Business will not be business as usual. Get ready for the workers and the Democrats to be in control.

Looks like the middle and upper classes can look forward to increases in taxes to pay for these social programs. Hey lets just call it “contemporary socialism”.

Republicans have left the cat out of the bag and this party will never be the same. They have become too greedy and are about to get slaughtered.

By Ted

May 20, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

I’m 100% for a immigration reform bill, weather its this one or another.

It’s people like you guys posting here that don’t see the bigger picture.

just a few things, Who will pay the mortgages on the business’s that are American owned in Smyrna, Buford hwy, Doraville area when the people are made to leave ? those places will not just fill back up all at once.

Who will pay the house notes of American owned homes that are rented to these people ? those places will not just fill back up all at once.

Who will the hire the many many teachers who will loose there jobs due to the many many people that are forced to leave, after all the schools staff teachers based on student count >?

there are so many many things that people don’t see, yes illegal being here have a burden on something’s but when I read people casting blame on the democrats that’s about stupid, after all its there big man bush that wants the same.

My thought is Americans get your head out of your butts, start working harder and smarter to take back what is you call yours.

Its not about paying lower wages, if any of you have had work done at your home or wherever everyone knows the wages paid are the same or close to each other.

Drive down the road, whose working in the ditch while 2 or 3 people stand at the top and watch him ?

Pull into any subdivision whose painting, roofing, installing, building >? not that its cheaper its because they want to work and that’s the bottom line. when the people here in America want to work 40 or 50 hours a week then you will see them there.

Right now ask any American person around you, do they want to work at Wal-Mart in the cool ac for $7.00 per hour or work outside in the hot weather for $10 or $12 up on a roof or in a ditch working there butts off ?

You get the picture, and if you don’t then maybe you need to wake up.

Really what I would like to see is people posting here be honest, its about the way they look or dress or talk that you don’t like right ? I mean they are not 100% white so you dont like them right ? the same way you don’t like anyone of color right ?

My buddy and I was on marta the other day and a 2 young adults looked at my buddy who just happens to be indian and told him to go back where he come from. now you can’t get much more american that a 100% indian that we came and took there home from right ?

anyway Im done with this, I really hope it works out for all of us. Not just the haters.

By AC

May 20, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Chambliss says, “If we don’t have a meaningful, workable program, we’ll simply be dependent on foreign imports for food products, the way we’re dependent on foreign imports for oil products,”

Would Senator Chambliss care to explain how increasing our population by tens of millions of new mouths to feed is going to improve our food import/export balance, let alone our oil supply problems? Farmland and water resources, which are needed to produce food, are being depleted by our growing population. The ownership of Senator Chambliss by corporate agricultural interests is so obvious it is embarrassing.

By Ted

May 20, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

I’m 100% for a immigration reform bill, weather its this one or another.

It’s people like you guys posting here that don’t see the bigger picture.

just a few things, Who will pay the mortgages on the business’s that are American owned in Smyrna, Buford hwy, Doraville area when the people are made to leave ? those places will not just fill back up all at once.

Who will pay the house notes of American owned homes that are rented to these people ? those places will not just fill back up all at once.

Who will the hire the many many teachers who will loose there jobs due to the many many people that are forced to leave, after all the schools staff teachers based on student count >?

there are so many many things that people don’t see, yes illegal being here have a burden on something’s but when I read people casting blame on the democrats that’s about stupid, after all its there big man bush that wants the same.

My thought is Americans get your head out of your butts, start working harder and smarter to take back what is you call yours.

Its not about paying lower wages, if any of you have had work done at your home or wherever everyone knows the wages paid are the same or close to each other.

Drive down the road, whose working in the ditch while 2 or 3 people stand at the top and watch him ?

Pull into any subdivision whose painting, roofing, installing, building >? not that its cheaper its because they want to work and that’s the bottom line. when the people here in America want to work 40 or 50 hours a week then you will see them there.

Right now ask any American person around you, do they want to work at Wal-Mart in the cool ac for $7.00 per hour or work outside in the hot weather for $10 or $12 up on a roof or in a ditch working there butts off ?

You get the picture, and if you don’t then maybe you need to wake up.

Really what I would like to see is people posting here be honest, its about the way they look or dress or talk that you don’t like right ? I mean they are not 100% white so you dont like them right ? the same way you don’t like anyone of color right ?

My buddy and I was on marta the other day and a 2 young adults looked at my buddy who just happens to be indian and told him to go back where he come from. now you can’t get much more american that a 100% indian that we came and took there home from right ?

anyway Im done with this, I really hope it works out for all of us. Not just the haters.

By Ted

May 20, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

I’m 100% for a immigration reform bill, weather its this one or another.

It’s people like you guys posting here that don’t see the bigger picture.

just a few things, Who will pay the mortgages on the business’s that are American owned in Smyrna, Buford hwy, Doraville area when the people are made to leave ? those places will not just fill back up all at once.

Who will pay the house notes of American owned homes that are rented to these people ? those places will not just fill back up all at once.

Who will the hire the many many teachers who will loose there jobs due to the many many people that are forced to leave, after all the schools staff teachers based on student count >?

there are so many many things that people don’t see, yes illegal being here have a burden on something’s but when I read people casting blame on the democrats that’s about stupid, after all its there big man bush that wants the same.

My thought is Americans get your head out of your butts, start working harder and smarter to take back what is you call yours.

Its not about paying lower wages, if any of you have had work done at your home or wherever everyone knows the wages paid are the same or close to each other.

Drive down the road, whose working in the ditch while 2 or 3 people stand at the top and watch him ?

Pull into any subdivision whose painting, roofing, installing, building >? not that its cheaper its because they want to work and that’s the bottom line. when the people here in America want to work 40 or 50 hours a week then you will see them there.

Right now ask any American person around you, do they want to work at Wal-Mart in the cool ac for $7.00 per hour or work outside in the hot weather for $10 or $12 up on a roof or in a ditch working there butts off ?

You get the picture, and if you don’t then maybe you need to wake up.

Really what I would like to see is people posting here be honest, its about the way they look or dress or talk that you don’t like right ? I mean they are not 100% white so you dont like them right ? the same way you don’t like anyone of color right ?

My buddy and I was on marta the other day and a 2 young adults looked at my buddy who just happens to be indian and told him to go back where he come from. now you can’t get much more american that a 100% indian that we came and took there home from right ?

anyway Im done with this, I really hope it works out for all of us. Not just the haters.

By Michael H. Smith

May 20, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

No Ted, it is people like you that hate Americans and their right to make the laws concerning immigration that really cause the problems by lumping illegal immigration and this loony idea that uncontrolled numbers of immigrants should be the order of the day in our immigration policy.

All your what abouts’, is pee in the wind. America will always have immigration but it will be on U.S. citizen terms not on the terms of Saxby Chambliss and his lobbyist friend Gary Black, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce seeking the cheapest labor prices possible, the Democratic Party desiring votes or foreign governments like Mexico who use our country as a relief valve to remove the socio-economic pressures/failures of their corrupt system ran by the elites of that country that live like monarchy in a fiefdom while 40% of the population is forced to live in third world poverty.

So now get your head out of your butt and if you’re an American start fighting for what is right and the ownership of your country instead of condemning those of us who do.

Those who you have condemned, many of them are Indians as well, so that little ancestral shtick don’t mean squat to this great, great, grandson of the Muskogee Creek. It is only another offensive insult misused in another unjust effort to legalize crimes.

By Jeff

May 20, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Ted,

You are really something! How do you look into your bathroom mirror every morning and keep a straight face or like what you see!

You are the one who needs to take his head out of his butt!

You talk about Mortgages in Smyrna and Buford Hwy in the Atlanta, GA area not being paid.

WHO CARES?? I can assure you that I don’t!

The lenders that lended the money to the illegal aliens should have known better in the first place. Let them go bankrupt. I could care less.

By lending them the money in the first place they are guilty of aiding and abeting illegal activity! Have you simply forgot about the Patriot Act? How could they have possibly been qualified to obtain a Mortgage in the first place?

You need to go and read up on current laws in this country where mortgages are concerned. The only reason that money is being lent to them in the first place is because the Feds are simply turning there heads and allowing it to happen.

LET THOSE LENDERS GO BANKRUPT! WHO GIVES A DAMN…….

I am NO bigot either. I don’t care what color your skin is. If you want to come to the US and build a life and have a family that is fine with me. Just do it legally and don’t try to RAM DOWN MY THROAT YOUR CULTURE AND YOUR LANGUAGE………

They are the ones that want to be here. If there not ready to try to assimilate in the the culture of the US then DON’T COME!!!!

I don’t mind if they want to practice there own culture. Just don’t try to RAM IT DOWN MY THROAT AND FOR ME TO PASS LAWS TO PRINT EVERYTHING IN THERE LANGUAGE.

I do believe you are being honest Ted. I just think your stupid and that you really believe what your saying. What a crying shame for you. If you did go to college and received a degree I think you should go back to that college and ask for a refund. And by all means let us all know what college it was so we can pass that information along to all Americans so that we will know where NOT to send our children for an education.

I am also VERY PROUD that you are through with this issue. Tells me that you give to easily and also that you have NO idea what being a TRUE AMERICAN really is….

And I to really hope things work out the CORRECT way for all of us including idiots like you Ted.

By Ted

May 20, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Yo , stupid,, its american owned and they had most of them before it was taken over by the mexicans….. its not the owners fault that others move out and people want to move in.. again you show colors proud as you say.

By Ernest

May 20, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

No Ted, it is people like you that hate Americans and their right to make the laws concerning immigration that really cause the problems by lumping illegal immigration and this loony idea that uncontrolled numbers of immigrants should be the order of the day in our immigration policy.

Absolutely! It is America haters like Ted who are helping to destroy this country. They care not one whit about Americans nor do most of the invaders they advocate for. To people like Ted America is “just an idea” and a dollar bill. The people themselves are not important and could be anybody from anywhere so long as they can work and Ted can purchase widgets.

By Realist

May 20, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Everyone in this country should see the non-political video “Immigration by the Numbers,” by Roy Beck. The video is extremely eye opening and may change your view on illegal immigration. Visit the link below and see what the future holds for your children and grandchildren. Please watch!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=nunmber

By Robert

May 20, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Bottom line Republicans=wussies Democrats=traitors

By Ric

May 20, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

The system is greatly out of whack. In the past 12 years there have been a huge number of Republicans voted into office. Of that number, almost 40% of them have been RINOs. It is only since Bush’s last reelection (2004) that they have come out of the woodwork.

It is up to the President to fix this mess, and the only thing he has to do is vigorously apply the CURRENT LAWS. Burn all growth along the border at least 1 mile back from the border and set in military along it to stop the bandidos…just like we did up until WWI. It was effective then, it can be effective now. Then GO AFTER those disgraceful businesses thathire them.

Of course, vote out all of the scalawags that are in office for true conservatives.

By John Snape

May 20, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Sir: NO Amnesty under any conditions. Set up tent cites in the desert. Give the Local Police and Sheriff’s dept. $25.00 for each illegal Alien turned in.

Set a time certain by which all illegals must leave. Any left, will be fingerprinted photgrphed and DNA’d. Deported and not allowed back in. This requires securing the Border. Bring the troops out of Korea, Germany Japan. And anyother place to post on the border and keep the illegals out.

By JW

May 20, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

I love the idiots claiming conservatives have this so-called ‘blind allegiance’ to the GOP all the while vomiting forth the Do Nothing Communist party’s talking points (that’s the Democratic Party for you idiots who can’t figure it out). What? Can’t think for yourselves? What a bunch of hypocritical dumb a$$ sheep and lemmings. Baaaaaaaa! Baaaaaaa! Yes, please do, go jump off a cliff.

By RW&Blue

May 20, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Lose the hatred, everybody that blogs here is at least more concerned about the issues than most who don’t blog. At least the discussion shows that WE are watching the leaders we put into the most powerful positions in our country. And we care, no matter which side we say we’re on today. Its OK to change your mind when new info comes out and status changes, just like most people have on Bush. Keep watching what the leaders do, then when they screw it up get rid of them even if you have to vote for the other side to make your opinions known. Its the people who keep making the same mistakes hoping for a different outcome that are insane. Right now the issues are down to Pro immigration and Con immigration so look at the benefits and pick the ones that make you better.

Pro: cheaper food, for now. More workers to share the load as the boomers retire. More taxes paid in as the immigrants become legal and get W-2s. Immigrants are usually the best of the worst who get off their butts to find a better place for themselves and thats what made America the kickass country it is today. More ideas coming from places nobody else is thinking about. More stuff being bought from the people already here. More building happening, its the backbone of our economy. More land being put to good use as needs grow. Many want to contribute to their new country if they are allowed to become citizens. Could fill backlog in military services.

Cons: They’re not staying in line and obeying the law. Jumping ahead of others who are following the law. Using basic services for free. Filling our schools and causing change to happen to accomodate them. Some towns and cities unable to support them. Hatred against newcomers. 10% of immigrants are convicts from other countries and they’re performing crimes here. Some streets more dangerous now. Don’t speak English. Think they can wave their flags over here and say it was their country first. Taking jobs citizens want for themselves. Sending money not taxed back to their countries and families.

I guess when you look at it all, it boils down to this. If we didn’t want them in the first place and there were no jobs for them here they’d go somewhere else. I guess we need some or even most of them. So now the question is how do we keep the best and get rid of the rest? Send your ideas to your representatives, keep blogging to get those ideas out in the open, LOSE THE HATRED so we can more quickly solve the many problems this issue represents. Be thankful we can say this stinks, many other countries would put your asses in jail for simply disagreeing. There’s alotta people out there who really hate us and they outnumber us about ten to one. Can we really afford to turn down volunteers? In the end we all end up singing the national anthem, don’t care about the ones who don’t. If they don’t understand that today once they own a piece of the rock they usually change their minds and their colors…

By Joe

May 20, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Excuse me Judy, but it is also our Democratic “representation” that also want to see this go through. How do you think the ‘illegals’ are going to vote once granted ‘amnesty’? I’ll tell you…Democrat. Why do you think the likes of Ted Kennedy want so badly to make them citizens? It’s not about the good of the country, it’s what’s going to help them gain and maintain power.

By JGF9149

May 20, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

It will be interesting to see if the price tag we taxpayers will pay for this mess will even be discussed as the elite’s in Washington destroy America.

By Linda

May 20, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

They undermine our intellect once again by saying “the people just don’t understand”. I have no comprehension problems. The elite are out of touch. Consider the Republican party destroyed. How dare they be so vain and arrogant in this age of technology.

By Ted

May 20, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Ok guys let me say it this way, after all you have that george bush mental block.

send them all back, the american owned place that now have to rent to whoever they can in the above stated areas go under because these places will not fill up fast enough and the owners will not be able to make there payments.

send them all back, your american home builder that now builds 10 houses a month will now build 2 and not be able to stay a float because we dont have enough of people like yourselfs that wont to put in a hard days work.

send the back, the jobs in the schools that have been created due to the population will no longer be needed so lets put those people in the unemployment lines.

send them back, so the farmer can continue to post the signs infront of his place asking for summer help with good pay and only 2 people in a town of 35000 show up to pick our food.

These people who are here work at many many different jobs in our great USA today, you cant take that many people out of this country like that without a major effect in todays life style.

your right alot of it is the dollar, my point is its bigger than the dollar, its about the entire system that has been set-up by the .gov allowing this to happen.

So unlike yourselfs Im looking at the whole picture of who all this would effect by sending back 12 million people at one time.

I would love to see a system that would first of all stop any more from crossing into this country, however by having a system that is INFORCED would be the first step.

Some of you simply say for them to leave now, well you are the ones that have no clue how deep the us has allowed them into our everyday part of life and what it would do to us by leaving like that.

My thought is in steps so that we do not take the blast all at once,

illegals must report for a nation wide data log at once. all employers must log into this system and view pictures against a given number to insure these people have the right to be here if so they can hire if not then they cant. Its upto the your .gov to enforce this.

anyone here less than 2 years must leave now.

anyone here for more than 2 years would be allowed to stay 6 months and work, then must leave. no returning.

anyone here for 2 to 5 years would have 2 years to stay and must leave. no return

anyone here for more than 5 years would have 3 years to stay and must leave no return.

anyone here that has childern that was born here that has childern in our school system at this current time would be allowed to stay after paying a fine, for the peirod the childern are in school, if they stay out of trouble, then I think a system should be setup to allow those people the option of staying.

If they have kids born here and they are not yet in school they must leave in the above stated time frame.

any employee that hires without the data based info being verified would be jailed ! Anyone caught housing illegals would be jailed.

all that stay for the period stated must pay taxes.

Nobody would come across any border if they knew there was no chance to be hired.

This is a trickle effect that would not kill the us system by kicking that many people out at one time.

Some of you still have to learn its not just about, I dont like the way they talk. The USA has allowed this to happen and now it must have a fix, but not to fix it slowy will hurt each and every one of us.

BTW the video is 100% correct however he needs to touch base or someone does on how to rid the 12 million here without killing the us economy, Oh wait i think someone did mention that, im sure that is what this blog was started about….

By Justa Thought

May 20, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

You want to know who USED to do those ‘jobs Americans won’t do?’ The American TEENAGER. Yep. Mowed lawns, picked produce, helped mend fences and all kinds of other stuff. Now, they are unemployable. Stay home scaliwags and it isn’t even their fault. Illegals work for less. WE NEED A FENCE. The DAY it is finished, we need to announce: 6 mos for you’ll to git home - or you are ARRESTED and thrown in jail for 10 years. They will git!

By H W Maier

May 20, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

If this is such a wonderful solution to the never ending ILLEGAL ALIEN problem, then why it is being rushed/pushed through the Senate without following the normal procedures? If it is 1000 pages and hasn’t been read by hardly anyone except Ted Kennedy’s staff, who knows what hidden evil lies therein?

By deusimplicitus

May 20, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

If anyone is so deluded as to not understand that BOTH parties have sold out the American citizenry at this point, then those delusional people should NOT have the right to vote as they’re not perceiving reality correctly and should be locked up in asylums. We’ve been sold out. There is no denying it when we hear these ivory tower politicians even make the feeble attempt to defend their voting records and the legislature they’re proposing.

By RW&Blue

May 20, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

Just watched Realist’s video. Shocking. Must see. Then contact your representatives, your friends, your enemies, your families and tell them that they have to see this video. Tell the politicos that their vote on this immigration bill will determine your vote for or against them. This is that important.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=nunmber

By Wayne

May 20, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

I’m an average American who usually doesn’t speak out publically about things — but, given the treachery at the highest levels of this country, I am really beginning to wonder about our future.

Maybe it’s time not just for a third party but for a new constitutional convention — the sad thing about this is that we have all the laws we need right now to do what we have to do.

The larger question is how — before it’s too late — do we get rid of those who are working against us while claiming to be our public servants.

By Ted

May 20, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

Ok those of you that know it all.

I see Jeff and the other know it all have the answer, or I ask of anyone.

Tell me how to get rid of 12 million people that have ties in every part of our daily life without killing the U.S economy ?

And don’t post something stupid like Kickem all out now ! that would only show how much you know about how it would effect the U.S by doing that.

By Coach

May 20, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

Don’t you just love it? Now we are being threatened by thew Republicans! So if we don’t have illegal aliens picking our fruits and vegetables we will be held hostage for food like we are held haostage for oil!!!!!! And THIS from one of the very people who can FREE US FROM THE BONDAGE OF OPEC OIL!!! The NERVE!!!!!!!!

By Somebody Somewhere

May 20, 2007 7:47 PM | Link to this

Quote:

“After the speech, Chambliss said he took the crowd’s reaction as a lack of popular understanding of the shape of the current immigration system.”

Wrong! Clueless Chambliss doesn’t realize that we see right through the treason Congress is attempting against the American people with this so-called “immigration-reform” bill.

I, and everyone I know, has had it up to here with out governments’ protection and coddling of these invaders from Mexico. The government has failed to do it’s primary job, to protect this country from invasion. Both Democrats and Republicans have become a bunch of treasonous cowards, too afraid of being called “racist” instead of stopping the hispanic invasion of the USA. To hell with all of them!

If the government fails to seal the border and permanently deport all illegal immigrants, then maybe we need to deport our worthless government. Maybe it’s time for another revolution or civil war.

By Lee

May 20, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this

Goober Graham and any other RINO is not fit to represent anyone. He is just another McCainiac/Ted Kennedy butt kisser. President Bush and other RINOs in Congress are total traitors to the GOP and America. I will not vote for any more RINOs like Bush or McCainiac. Might as well give it the terrorists if we are not going to enforce present law and then make it even easier to enter America. Those who keep saying, including Bush, “Immigrants doing the jobs Americans won’t do” are just repeating the Big Lie hoping gullible Americans will believe it. God Help Us Thanks Lee

By Carson

May 20, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

Was he saying Boo or Boo-urns?

By Somebody Somewhere

May 20, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

Quote:

“After the speech, Chambliss said he took the crowd’s reaction as a lack of popular understanding of the shape of the current immigration system.”

Wrong! Clueless Chambliss doesn’t realize that we see right through the treason Congress is attempting against the American people with this so-called “immigration-reform” bill.

I, and everyone I know, has had it up to here with out governments’ protection and coddling of these invaders from Mexico. The government has failed to do it’s primary job, to protect this country from invasion. Both Democrats and Republicans have become a bunch of treasonous cowards, too afraid of being called “racist” instead of stopping the hispanic invasion of the USA.

To hell with the government! There’s hundreds of millions of armed citizens in the USA. They could round up and deport the illegals themselves if they wanted to. Who’s gonna stop them?

If the government fails to seal the border and permanently deport all illegal immigrants, then maybe we need to deport our worthless government. Maybe it’s time for another revolution or civil war.

By DPM

May 20, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

The table is being set for another double-cross on illegal immigration, just like in 1986. Let us not forget that the driving force behind this de-facto amnesty bill is George W. Bush himself. W is a little man in a job that is way too big for him,as is more evident all the time. W’s presidency is going to wound the GOP-let’s hope that the wound is not fatal.

By DPM

May 20, 2007 7:57 PM | Link to this

The table is being set for another double-cross on illegal immigration, just like in 1986. Let us not forget that the driving force behind this de-facto amnesty bill is George W. Bush himself. W is a little man in a job that is way too big for him,as is more evident all the time. W’s presidency is going to wound the GOP-let’s hope that the wound is not fatal.

By Michael H. Smith

May 20, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

Comprehending Comprehensive for our misguided President and Congress

Anything that allows the illegal aliens to remain in this country is amnesty, plain and simply it is a reward for breaking the law in the first place. Any thing approaching comprehensive immigration reform will require ALL illegal aliens to return home and get in the back of the line behind their fellow countrymen who are legally waiting to enter this country. No touch back or fast track assurances should be made to anyone of them.

No new creation of visas or raised limits on numbers of visas to be issued until the Federal Government proves to the American people that they can and shall enforce the laws requiring visa holders to leave the country on time, no more visa overstays.

All future immigrations shall be based on a merit system as purposed by Senator Jeff Sessions to fill the actual labor requirements of this country, including passage of the Greasly Durban Amendment.

The mandatory use of a fully functioning version of the present pilot program (introduce in the Simpson Mazzoli Act of 20 years ago) employing the I-9 form to confirm legal eligibility to work in the United States with sever penalties imposed on businesses should they fail to comply. The CLEAR ACT must be included.

No guest worker programs that does not offer the opportunity to become a U.S. English speaking U.S. citizens of sole loyalty to this country. Abolish dual citizenships forever and prohibit foreign national from U.S. military service. And declare U.S. English the common and official language of this country.

Amend the U.S. Constitution to repeal the “all persons born in the United States” clause of the 14th amendment that declares any person a citizen by geographical birth. Only persons born to at least one biological U.S. citizen parent can receive birthright citizenship. All others must naturalize according to immigration laws.

Diplomatic sanctions shall be imposed upon nations that have shown a disregard for U.S. immigration laws. NAFTA should be vacated until such time Mexico complies with every requirement in that agreement regarding worker safety and training, and environmental standards; including, a verifiable effort on the part of the Mexican government to raise the minimum wages, educational attainments, healthcare provisions and access to loans within their banking system to their citizens. Diplomatic sanctions to run concurrent to those now imposed on Cuba.

Border and port security should have all the add patrol officers needed whether that number is 18,000 or 18 million. The fence shall be built and remain in place until such time as the Mexican government and the Mexican people understand and accept the fact that they have no right to enter our country without prior legal authorization.

Now Senators’ Chambliss and Isakson that is a beginning first step to real comprehensive immigration reform, anything else or that falls short thereof and therein is only another comprehensive stumble.

By TDP

May 20, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

Republicans used to be incrementally more in touch with Americans on illegal immigration, but with few exceptions, that is history. We need to deal with. Think about it: Democrat and Republican alike are pandering to the millions of illegal immigrants to gain their vote. This bill is all about power and our ruling elites cementing their power positions by creating a massive number of voters who are poorly educated and dependent on government programs and dollars. Our politicians fully believe that massive underclass of easily persuadable votes will allow them the power to transfer wealth from the middle class to the underclass while they take their not so small cuts off the top. Make no mistake, this is a plan to dilute the power of the middle class of American citizens. After all, it’s not the underclass that advocates for tax cuts, anti-corruption laws, and term limits is it?

By Debra

May 20, 2007 8:13 PM | Link to this

There are reasons for all of this, check out the North American Union (see http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52788 read the hyperlinks at the bottom, and use a search engine to look for more), as well as the government site, which tries to district the outraged citizen back into believing their own government wouldn’t really do this (www.spp.gov). Keep reading, you won’t believe it a first; AND, if you’ve never heard about this before — and you are an American Citizen, WHY NOT? Who’s hiding this from us? It is truly outrageous, and definitely makes sense of many hoops and oddities we’ve been through, including ex-Mexican Pres. Vicente Fox being outraged about our border fence and then calling Bush and coming to America to counsel how we should run our country. How about the border patrols? Kind of odd that they don’t get the support to do their job, and the illegals are more protected than the American citizens.

By Ted

May 20, 2007 8:25 PM | Link to this

Ok stop crying, if you have the answer Tell me how to get rid of 12 million people that have ties in every part of our daily life without killing the U.S economy ?

And don’t post something stupid like Kickem all out now ! that would only show how much you know about how it would effect the U.S by doing that.

There has to be steps on how to do this or it would kill us trying to do it in a week or a year, after all they did not all get here that fast. So please tell me your plan.

By Debra

May 20, 2007 8:26 PM | Link to this

Here are some more websites, there are tons —- when you know what to look for (http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html and http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11 ) Make yourself informed, tell others.

By Ted

May 20, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

The truth is , you cant just take 12 million people out of our system just like that and not have a effect, so somebody has to come up with a plan to do so…… I really would love to hear others ideas on how to do this, after all it seems like every idea that someone has is shot down, so please if you have that perfect answer to the 12 million people question I would love to read it.

By Debra

May 20, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Read the hyperlinks above and you’ll see that the gameplan for America isn’t what Americans want, especially the middle class and the patriot.

By darwin

May 20, 2007 8:53 PM | Link to this

I don’t trust the administration to do ANYTHING to close the border. Bush had his chance with the fence bill that passed last October, REQUIRING that it be built. Didn’t happen and this new bill cuts the length in half. The phrase “subject to the availibility of appropriations” is peppered throughout the enforcement provisions - if Congress fails to fund them, they won’t happen. Here’s a jewel “(a) In General- Beginning on October 1, 2008, an alien (other than a national of Mexico) who is attempting to illegally enter the United States and who is apprehended at a United States port of entry or along the international land and maritime border of the United States shall be detained until removed or a final decision granting admission has been determined, unless the alien….” No enforcement for over a year and Mexicans are exempt.

I also believe that there is no intention to trigger the sterner provisions. Why would illegals worry about becoming citizens when they can become “legal” forever? The tell will be what benefits Z Visa holders will be eligible for….

By Ted

May 20, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this

I have looked at stuff till im blue in the face from people who will never make that happen

I want to see people post it here how to get rid of so many people without killing the economy by doing it all at once , then you will see other slam every idea posted here, and this will show that there is no perfect plan and we will never agree on this issue… the bottom line is it effects all of us very very much.

People have said this is the way, that is the way and there is allways people that don’t agree , so I ask those people who don’t agree with a the new idea to post a idea that would work.

ok i will give my idea and let you others shoot it down, but let me hear your Idea if its so good. Or Im sure I will just see the person who likes to slam others without posting ideas.

My thought is in steps so that we do not take the blast all at once,

illegals must report for a nation wide data log at once. all employers must log into this system and view pictures against a given number to insure these people have the right to be here if so they can hire if not then they cant. Its upto the your .gov to enforce this.

anyone here less than 2 years must leave now.

anyone here for more than 2 years would be allowed to stay 6 months and work, then must leave. no returning.

anyone here for 2 to 5 years would have 2 years to stay and must leave. no return

anyone here for more than 5 years would have 3 years to stay and must leave no return.

anyone here that has childern that was born here that has childern in our school system at this current time would be allowed to stay after paying a fine, for the peirod the childern are in school, if they stay out of trouble, then I think a system should be setup to allow those people the option of staying.

If they have kids born here and they are not yet in school they must leave in the above stated time frame.

any employee that hires without the data based info being verified would be jailed ! Anyone caught housing illegals would be jailed.

all that stay for the period stated must pay taxes.

Nobody would come across any border if they knew there was no chance to be hired.

This is a trickle effect that would not kill the us system by kicking that many people out at one time.

By darwin

May 20, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

I don’t trust the administration to do ANYTHING to close the border. Bush had his chance with the fence bill that passed last October, REQUIRING that it be built. Didn’t happen and this new bill cuts the length in half. The phrase “subject to the availibility of appropriations” is peppered throughout the enforcement provisions - if Congress fails to fund them, they won’t happen. Here’s a jewel “(a) In General- Beginning on October 1, 2008, an alien (other than a national of Mexico) who is attempting to illegally enter the United States and who is apprehended at a United States port of entry or along the international land and maritime border of the United States shall be detained until removed or a final decision granting admission has been determined, unless the alien….” No enforcement for over a year and Mexicans are exempt.

I also believe that there is no intention to trigger the sterner provisions. Why would illegals worry about becoming citizens when they can become “legal” forever? The tell will be what benefits Z Visa holders will be eligible for….

By Debra

May 20, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

There’s a reason the current laws are not be enforced. Do you wonder why? That’s why I’ve said that you should read the hyperlinks which I’ve listed above, plus research yourself. Unless we become educated to what is really happening here in America, we are fighting the wrong fight. Closing the borders is just a small part of it, but it is essential. I think deporting illegals would be less costly then how we take care of them right now, can you say : Health care, education, welfare, no/limited taxes, voting rights/demands although they are not citizens, no insurance, ETC, ETC. We are spinning our wheels until we know what is happening behind the scenes, because we will just be yakking away while the country is sold out beneath us.

By johnb

May 20, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Some of the posts here are calling those opposing the immigration bill racist. Isn’t that just typical from that side of the aisle.

I live in Los Angeles and have first hand knowledge of what this country will be like in the next 20 years if we don’t slow the flood of immigration. The immigrants are mostly nice people, however, there is NO desire or need to assimilate. This “new” class of immigrants into the U.S is like nothing we have ever seen before. There is no value in education - the drop out rate for Latinos is well over 50% - they refuse to learn the language and they all believe in socialism. Look at the wave of socialism sweeping Latin American right now.

This is not a race issue - if these “brown” people were highly skilled English speaking professionals, no one would care. Mark my word, America, as we know it, is over if we don’t stop this.

Message for African American’s… If you think the Hispanics are your friends, think again. They despise you! I know… I have had MANY conversations with the Latinos that I have worked with over the years. You will be the first to suffer. Mark my words. You guys are American’s, stand up for your country! I know most of you are democrats, but call your rep and tell them to control the border.

By Debra

May 20, 2007 9:21 PM | Link to this

You’ve gotta read and look into this:

(http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html )

By darwin

May 20, 2007 9:27 PM | Link to this

Here’s another good one “Nothing in this subtitle shall be construed to authorize State or local law enforcement agencies or their officers to exercise Federal immigration law enforcement authority.”

THAT’LL stop those cities and states that want to actually DO something about the huge problems they’re faced wiith because the feds won’t enforce their own laws.

Here’s the bill http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c110:./temp/~c110QsKPHK

By darwin

May 20, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this

Here’s another good one “Nothing in this subtitle shall be construed to authorize State or local law enforcement agencies or their officers to exercise Federal immigration law enforcement authority.”

THAT’LL stop those cities and states that want to actually DO something about the huge problems they’re faced wiith because the feds won’t enforce their own laws.

Here’s the bill http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c110:./temp/~c110QsKPHK

By KELLY

May 20, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

i AM TIRED OF HEARING WE CANNOT DEPORT 12 MILLION ILLEGALS, STOP THEIR BENEFITS AND THIS ANCHOR BABY LAW AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE. THEY ARE LINED OUT THE DOORS OF OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENTS GETTING WIC, MEDICAID, FOODSTAMPS, DRIVING $40,000 SUV PAID FOR BY THE AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STAND UP BLACK AND WHITE AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!!!

By KELLY

May 20, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

i AM TIRED OF HEARING WE CANNOT DEPORT 12 MILLION ILLEGALS, STOP THEIR BENEFITS AND THIS ANCHOR BABY LAW AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE. THEY ARE LINED OUT THE DOORS OF OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENTS GETTING WIC, MEDICAID, FOODSTAMPS, DRIVING $40,000 SUV PAID FOR BY THE AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STAND UP BLACK AND WHITE AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!!!

By TWT

May 20, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

Send their asses home!!!! They violated the laws of this country, there are millions waiting to come into this country the right way. These who enter correctly will not drive down the labor wages of this country’s work force! The lawa that really need to be changed are that if you enter this country illegally, your children should also be born as illegal! Anyone who we placed in Washington who votes this Bill full of loop holes as with the Patriot Act six years ago, should be foted out of office!!!! Again I say send their asses home!! All of them!! Remember that Mexicans does not have a patent on immigration. I say send all who violated our laws to sneak into our country home wherever they come from!!!!!

By UgottaBKidding

May 20, 2007 9:34 PM | Link to this

Poor ole Saxby. He’s got his nose so far up George W’s a$$ that he can’t see the cliff coming up…the one that ole W is leading the Republican Party over. They didn’t learn anything from last year’s a$$-kicking at the polls. SAXBY, THAT’S WHY Y’ALL ARE IN THE MINORITY NOW!!! And if you keep supporting this ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY MESS the good people of Georgia are going to send you back to Moultrie and you can grow your own vegetables. So enjoy this term…it’s probably going to be your last!!! Right now I certainly hope so!

By Debra

May 20, 2007 9:36 PM | Link to this

darwin: I know, it’s disgusting — to say the least. That’s why people need to become aware of the reasons behind all of this CRAZY double talk, and the lawlessness we are seeing in America. Please read what I’ve supplied.

By Bonney

May 20, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

Bush removes provision requiring back taxes from illegal immigrants

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | May 19, 2007

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration insisted on a little-noticed change in the bipartisan Senate immigration bill that would enable 12 million undocumented residents to avoid paying back taxes or associated fines to the Internal Revenue Service, officials said. Article Tools Printer friendly E-mail to a friend Nation RSS feed Reprints & Licensing Share on Digg Share on Facebook Save this article powered by Del.icio.us More: Globe Nation stories Latest national news

An independent analyst estimated the decision could cost the IRS tens of billions of dollars.

A provision requiring payment of back taxes had been in the initial version of a bill proposed by Senator Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat. But the administration called for the provision to be removed due to concern that it would be too difficult to figure out which illegal immigrants owed back taxes.

The dropping of the back-tax provision was not made clear in the announcement of the immigration reform proposal on Thursday. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, speaking in reference to illegal immigrants seeking legal status, said, “You’ve got to pay your taxes.” He did not state whether he was referring to back taxes, future taxes, or both.

White House spokesman Scott Stanzel, asked in a telephone interview yesterday to clarify Chertoff’s remark, said it referred only to future taxes.

By Halsey

May 20, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness that we have 2 senators that can see the forest for the trees. Immigration reform is necessary and inevitable. Crying about the Mexicans isn’t doing anyone any good. We need people to work and they need the money. Give the real working man a break.

By N0 Amnesty

May 20, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

hey bugger you wrote: Blind ideology and bigotry has infected the Republican Party and it may be fatal. Why aren’t these same people as gung ho about sealing borders where it’s really needed to keep Americans from being killed (Iraq)? I AGREE WITH ALOT OF YOUR STATEMENTS BUT LOOK UP THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS KILLED DAILY BY ILLEGALS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS MORE THEN THE WAR.

By Halsey

May 20, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

Amnesty! That’s evidently anything less than sending ‘em all back. I’m for that so long as we can send all these rednecks back to Mississippi - and the Yankees too.

By Debra

May 20, 2007 9:50 PM | Link to this

Halsey, you are missing the point, several in fact. Amnesty didn’t work before, doesn’t now. And the people are not just working here, they are getting a free ride and demanding rights like they are American citizens. And how do you know that others would not do the job? The illegals caused the wages to drop, but then the illegals take the next level of jobs. Let Americans have the jobs first. Do things legally. Don’t sell out the American citizen. Make legal immigration available to people around the world… what a concept. (Read http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html )

By Ted

May 20, 2007 9:52 PM | Link to this

Bottom line: There’s NO need for ANY new legislation. Just ENFORCE the laws we already have. And, BUILD THE COMPLETE BORDER DOUBLE-FENCE NOW (No new law needed for that either.)

Only AFTER the fence is completed, we’ll take a look to see what new legisltaion we may need. But ONLY AFTER the fence is completed!!!!!

To say we can’t get the fence done now, is balderdash. Just hire multiple contractors.

By S Sommer

May 20, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

I have read all of the above. Glad to see so many American riled up & thinking about this. I tried to call, the phone banks at the Congress are filled up. That’s good! I agree, this is complicated & tough, but it is essential for our survival as a nation to protect America from a ridiculous overrun that is too much, too fast. We cannot absorb the whole world~! I agree that America is being sold down the tubes. I am independent, vote Dem more than R, hated Bush from the start, but I may be more conservative than I thought, now that I have been told what conservative is…”obey the rules.” I agree absolutely with the rule of law, it is the only thing that protects our democracy. Call me a Lib if you want, but I am with you all the way on this. I think this affects all average Americans R or L. I hope people wake up and scream bloody murder, then come up with a workable, enforceable plan and MAKE the politicos DO IT. If third world countries can control their borders, why not US? Crazy!!!!

By Ugotta B. Kidding

May 20, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

Halsey, it’s a pity that you “can’t see the forest for the trees”. You have American corporations and business outsourcing American jobs to other countries, buying off politicians to let our country be flooded with ILLEGAL ALIENS for more cheap labor here, and costing the REAL taxpayers of this country billions of dollars in education, healthcare, and social programs. American corporations give them jobs and we taxpayers fund their “benefits”. Pretty good set-up, huh? Since you appear to be for this “immigration reform”, why don’t you explain to our grandchildren how you supported our senators when they helped throw away their futures.

By worddust

May 20, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

No Bill of any kind until the wall is built and the border is sealed. If we can put a man on the moon we can seal the border. I really don’t want to hear any more crap about jobs Americans won’t do, the meat packing plant that was raided replaced all the illegals with American citizens in less than two weeks.

By worddust

May 20, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

No Bill of any kind until the wall is built and the border is sealed. If we can put a man on the moon we can seal the border. I really don’t want to hear any more crap about jobs Americans won’t do, the meat packing plant that was raided replaced all the illegals with American citizens in less than two weeks. It’s time for Congress to represent the rights of American citizens instead of giving rights to terrorists and illegal aliens. This bill is b****** and everyone knows it, just another way to redistribute wealth and votes by destroying traditional American Institutions and creating more welfare. Any Republican who thinks they can trust Ted Kennedy is an IDIOT, the guy provided the KGB with info and tried to get a foriegn country to influence the election against Reagan and he’s doing it again right now.

By Michael H. Smith

May 20, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this

Ted, stop talking in this at once business. That is a straw man argument and no one on my side of this argument is thinking in terms of turning off a proverbial light switch. Even should our government actually accrue the will to comply with the demands of the governed it will take several years to actually happen and that applies to the emotional straw-man argument your side often attempts to throw up in resistance of the illegals leaving – “you cannot round them all up”. We could but that is not what is being proposed. As soon as it becomes apparent to the illegal aliens they cannot functionally live in this country illegally they will return home of their own accord. All we have to do is enforce the laws period.

The U.S. economy could withstand the absence of these 12 to 20 million people. It would take some painful adjustments, wages would probably rise – sorry Democrats guess that old minimum wages gig would then be meaningless in the face of a labor shortage that would produce living wages - and many who have stood in a line around this world for what seems an eternity might finally get their fair shot at the American dream in becoming U.S. citizens – oops real diversity, image that. Then there is a million high school dropouts produced every year in this country that truly qualify to do these jobs until they can get their heads and lives straighten out and go back to school or get the second chance obtainable in the trades that are now over ran by illegal alien workers. With all the people that are living on assistance a good number of them could fill in the gaps once told, “no workie, no eatie”. One thing about that idea FDR stole from Cousin Teddy at least the WPA - A.K.A. “We Piddle Around” - had to prop up a shovel all day instead of watching cable TV sitting around upon that lovely bum bemoaning how little money government is giving them.

The pain Ted, is the result of have winked and nodded to something close resembling flesh peddling. Which is why, I despise what Saxby and George Bush are proposing in this so-called guest worker program. It smacks of indentured servitude with the costs of running the corporate plantations heaped upon the backs of the U.S. Taxpayers. Oh sure they say no assistance but we all know that will never happen and besides we take immigrants into this country for the purpose of creating new citizens to keep this country vibrant - not for the purpose of accommodating greedy businesses with labor units as once African slaves where used to pick Saxby’s beans and to chop George’s cotton.

The excuse of we will have to import food is just so down right disingenuous of Saxby, it is shocking he’d try to use it. We are already dependent on foreign food imports and they are not being inspected as closely as they should be for consumer health and safety levels acceptable to most Americans.

We don’t have to barter with illegal aliens to get the labor we need into this country or revert to using people in servitude as labor units just to satisfy the cheap labor interest. We already bring in around a million people each year legally. The amendments being offered by Senators’ Sessions, Grassly and Durban should more than suffice any further actual needs the economy may have.

By ab

May 20, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

The Republicans who came up with or agreed to this amnesty should be tossed out. If this legislation passes, it will hurt us more than socialism security. FDR will no longer have the legacy as the worst President in our history. The main problem with amnesty is that it encourages those who have no respect for our laws. These are the same people, who unlike immigrants 70-100 years ago, have no interest in assimilating. Press 1 for English, marke nummero dos….

By ab

May 20, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

The Republicans who came up with or agreed to this amnesty should be tossed out. If this legislation passes, it will hurt us more than socialism security. FDR will no longer have the legacy as the worst President in our history. The main problem with amnesty is that it encourages those who have no respect for our laws. These are the same people, who unlike immigrants 70-100 years ago, have no interest in assimilating. Press 1 for English, marke nummero dos….

By Shirley

May 20, 2007 10:40 PM | Link to this

Go Georgia Conservatives!! We in Texas feel the same way. Throw the BUMS out!!!! I never thought I’d vote the 3rd party ticket, but unless we get Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo as the nominee in ‘08, I will vote for the 3rd party ticket. If passed, this bill will lose the Republican base. We must refuse to buy into the RNC and the liberal media’s attempts to force us one of the 3 RINOs down our throats. God Bless America and Georgia Conservatives!

By S Sommer

May 20, 2007 10:42 PM | Link to this

Hey, while we are changing things, how about a comprehensive approach? None of us mind the people who want to work as much as the ones taking benefits and dealing drugs & doing crime. So: employers must pay construction workers what they used to pay Americans.. that should shake them up! Plus, benefits and withhold taxes, they have to operate as a normal business, so people who employ Americans can bid for contracts and compete. Roll that same idea out for all employment.. Single mothers cannot get welfare benefits until they are 21 years old. (Hey, will you settle for 20? 18?) Up until then, they can live at home. That would get a lot of people to stop having babies to get their own apt. Illegal AND citizens, too! Just as bad! No anchor babies, that rule has outlived it reasonableness. No additional welfare for additional babies. Stop that whole “industry.” Sorry if I am not family values enough, I just think we all pay too much taxes. People should pay for their kids the way I did, poor as I was. By working. And, yeah, I got divorced and was a single mother with two kids in daycare. I have no sympathy for 15 year old illegal immigrant girls who get pregnant with their anchor baby & get on our welfare system. That is NUTS. All over the country, states are talking about needing to build more jails and prisons. Very expensive. But, if they did not have 30% illegal immigrant prisoners, they would not be too full. Can we at least send the PRISONERS back to where they came from? Can we tattoo “DO NOT RETURN” on their foreheads so the border patrol will know who they are when they show up again? Save some paperwork! Any of you who hire illegals for cheap to do work around your house are anti-American. I ran two guys out of here whom Home Depot tried to send to do work for me. Can you believe it? If companies had to pay them full wages and benefits, they would not be hiring illegals. Illegals have run most of the Americans out of the construction business where I live, in Washington state. Wrong border!!! This is all about economics, not race. I have been complaining about illegal immigration for a long time, so by now I am used to being called a “racist.” I am otherwise pretty liberal, so I shock many of my non-thinking liberal friends. They are so nice that they have lost their common sense. They may be kind to illegal immigrants, but by doing so they are being very unkind to blue collar Americans. Think about it!

By paulw

May 20, 2007 10:44 PM | Link to this

There are probably a billion people who would LOVE to come to America… that being said, there will NEVER be a labor shortage. We should deport every illegal alien in this country and then repopulate with whatever labor force we need on OUR terms… not theirs! I voted for Bush, twice… biggest mistake of my life. I will no longer be an apologist for him or any other Republican willing to sell this country down the river!

By J. Edgar

May 20, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

Jimmy Carter was half right. Bush is the worst Republican president in history and this immigration bill will kill them in the next election. Carter is such a fool, he can’t see the Democrats are going to be the big winners as a result of our country’s demise.

By Alex

May 20, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this

Well said, paulw! Unskilled high school drop outs will destroy what is an already weakened Social Security system! What’s with the weaklings like O’Reilly saying we can’t deport these people. It wouldn’t be that difficult and with the saving on what they are costing our cities because of the strain on the infrastructure it would pay for itself!

By mark

May 20, 2007 11:26 PM | Link to this

is their a neighborhood in america where the majority of the population in that neighborhood is either hispanic or black that anyone would want to live ?? no white liberal scumbags their ill bet the liberals want misery and to turn all of america into a third world s** hole like mexico

By ThomasJ

May 20, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

By robert

May 20, 2007 11:28 PM | Link to this

Blind fascist race-pimping traitorous Democrats who were well-schooled by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have tried to run this debate into a race issue. This is an issue of law and order and fairness. Millions of people who have applied to immigrate to America legally are now shoved to the back of the line as millions of law-breakers are given preferential treatment. The race-pimping Democrats are after tens of millions of potential voters from socialist countries. The neocon Republicans are after cheap slave labor. It is a dangerous open-borders mix that will destroy American society.

By andy

May 20, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

Chambliss is a traitor, giving away the american dream to illegal aliens as americans die in iraq…..

By Terry Corcoran

May 20, 2007 11:49 PM | Link to this

Chambliss and Isakson are traitors. They are on the take from Soros. KILL A MEXICAN TONIGHT! REMEMBER THE ALAMO! A BULLET IS 50 Cents! F**K These Corrupt Senate b*******, too!

By Abe Lincoln

May 20, 2007 11:51 PM | Link to this

It is amazing that the Republicans still don’t get why they lost the last election. It has nothing to do with Bush and Iraq. It is because they became big spending repubocrats that did not have any back bone to govern conservatively and the people got sick of it. What a wasted opportunity. Why can’t someone have the brass tacks to tell it like it is and tell the liberal media to go take a hike and call them out. Lord knows they don’t have to look far for plenty of material. They are all afraid to take a stand for traditional American values when it counts.

By William Hofmeister

May 21, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

It’s amnesty, plain and simple. Any Republican who supports this will face a tough time getting re-elected. I have been a Republican since 1968 but maybe not for much longer if they continue to sell us out like this.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 21, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

This bill as BAD AS IT IS…does nothing to STOP FURTHER ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

Make all further ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION A FELONY!!!

Do not allow more than 5% visas based on family relations!! If we are to have immigration, it must be immigration that is targeted at the NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY…not family reunification at taxpayers expense!

The US government never enforced the 1986 immigration law and they WILL NOT ENFORCE THE NEW PROPOSED BILL!!!

I am for a DECREASE IN ALL IMMIGRATION TO THE USA!!!

We are running out of room for development and recreation, water and electricity, our roads and highways are overcrowded, our hospitals are overcrowded and filled with uninsured patients!

By ang

May 21, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

fining companies $15-20k PER illegal found working for them and we could save a whole ton of paper and useless debates about this immigration problem.

I think after about 1 year of constant raids and fines the corporations benefiting from this will have figured out how to work without illegal labor.

This problem can solve itself if politicians can just (for once) stop pandering to businesses that are breaking the laws, and they KNOW IT.

By John Stein

May 21, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

I think a white South African friend of mine stated it best. He said the USA was heading down the path of ruin like South Africa did by allowing business to dictate government policy. He said South Africa has been destroyed to the distress of white and black South Africans because of policies that enhanced cheap labor and mass immigration for the cheap labor. He also stated don’t take his word for it, pass the Mexican Amnesty bill and get back with him in about 10 years!

By Lynn

May 21, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

I was at the convention Friday night. Newt is definitely NOT for this bill and neither are most of the delegates that I spoke with. We americans know that this approach to these criminals is wrong. Now we just have to find a way to make those in D.C. get the job done right. I don’t want my kids to suffer for this challenge we face!

So refreshing to see such clear, grounded debate instead of those immature, emotional outbursts that I often hear & read about by liberals!

By Andrew Zaplatynsky

May 21, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

There is one major deception in all the references to guest worker programs. “”They are not at all temporary and are all designed to create a path to permament residency and ulitmatately, citizenship.* Europe has had true guest worker programs for decades. The workers comes to Germany, for example, work for a period of time, and then return to their families and their country of origin. I have seen trainloads of such workers returning to Turkey and the Balkans. There is no path to permanent residency or citizenship. They can return the following year, *if there is a need for workers”. Our national self interest requires that we adopt a similar approach.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

May 21, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

If we are to have a guest worker program, we need to change the law that provides for “anchor babies”!

No child shall automatically be granted US citizenship unless at least one of the parents is a US citizen!

By D. Eaton

May 21, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

If these (so-called) Republican Senators were serious, they’d work to do away with the anchor baby system, make it a felony to for lending institutions to provide mortgages to ILLEGALS, and revisit the 1983 ruling compelling states to fund social and educational services to ILLEGALS! But, they don’t. Instead these elites think we’re a bunch of dupes. They’ve actually proposed letting ILLEGALS keep social security benefits they obtained with STOLEN IDENTITIES! It’s high time Conservatives in the rank-and-file rise up and no longer be intimidated by the convenient charge of racism in this debate. Those in Congress need to feel the full fury of those of us who no longer want to prop up Mexico’s economy (Google “Reconquista” and be amazed at what you read)while destroying our own culture, language and borders. I find it amusing that these Senators think they will be reelected once we become a northern province of Mexico, or worse, a new state of ISLAM!

By Lynn

May 21, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Remember history, lest we repeat it. Allowing our American culture to be diluted as it’s being done now, is exactly how ROME FELL.

All of the (D)Senators & citizens in the North could care less about what’s happening at the southern borders. They have total disdain for southerners and think everyone south of the Mason/Dixon are hicks without ever stepping foot there. This adds another hurdle for us to overcome because of the “not in my backyard” attitude of those like Hillary & Ted who fight to keep their beautiful views unobstructed and their compounds (homes) free from non-English-speaking illegals. They continue to live an elitist life while cramming a bunch of crap down the throats of hard-working average americans who “keep the wheels turning and the lights on” for everyone.

If we’re not careful and persistent, we will be the next ROME!

By D. Eaton

May 21, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

To bugger:

SEE YA!

By joemama

May 21, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

I say we get all these illegal aliens to build the double-fence along the Mexican border, then when they’re done huck ‘em over the fence! See ya later hombre!

Oh and yes, if anyone hasn’t been up north and seen the widespread population of illegal Hispanics, take a trip to Massachusetts, Illinois, Washington state, etc…. it’s awful!

While I’m sure I come across as a racist, its about ECONOMICS and the SOCIAL, MORAL FIBER OF THIS NATION - not about race. Asians, Euro-trash, Russians, Middle-Eastern derk-derkas, Africans, even illegal-alien-purple-polka-dotted-freaks should get the boot too!

By John

May 21, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

You mean they don’t have any beaners in beantown?

By tommyJack

May 21, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Saxby: I thought you had a set….

By Debrra

May 21, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

It’s all about the North American Union, where Mexico, Canada and America become one. It’s been going on, behind closed doors, since 2005, and deals are being brokered and signed, and paid for by the American taxpayer. We will no longer have borders, our Constitution, currency, etc. Makes sense why the borders are open, the border guards Ramos and Copean are still in prison, and all the crazy distractions to keep the citizens lulled away while it is all being organized.

(Read http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html )

By lucky

May 21, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Tank this new bill and send Chambliss and Isakson home for good in obscurity. They can join the business lobby trade like the rest of the corrupt politicians.

We do not need one more illiterate, uneducated third world criminal in our country demanding benefits. We need 20 million less.

If a foreign national wants to come here to share in our freedom and economy, then earn it. We do not need any more poverty, but we are in need military volunteers. So each and every head of household who comes in must serve in Iraq first, no women and no children along for a free ride either. Then bring our troops home to protect our borders.

By H. Hodges

May 21, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

-from the Washington Times:

Few senators support the illegals bill

this text will be italicA Washington Times survey of Senate offices and public comments after the deal was announced Thursday found an additional 32 senators who said they cannot even take a position yet — a result of the fact that the deal was written in secret by a dozen senators and the Bush administration, wasn’t even finalized until yesterday and still hasn’t reached many Senate offices.this text will be italic

This was taken from the Washington Times today May 21, 2007

Our Georgia Senators are part of the minority and are probably helping to secretly craft this abomination. This bill is wrong!

By Peter Gordon

May 21, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

All Americans are immigrants. The vast majority are legal. To give special consideration to those who are unwilling to comply with US laws is ridiculous. To cite the numbers as a reason for special consideration is equally weak. If the government had enforced the existing laws there would be no problem. If people come to this country to have children they can take them with them when they leave. The idea that someone can get permanent residency because they happened to have a child in the US is stupid. Let us try a real immigration reform that says if you have skills and if you can speak our language reasonably well and if you have a job that provides a living wage then, and only then will you be allowed to participate in a guest worker program. And if you have a child while in the US, the child is a US citizen and a citizen of your native country and will stay with you until the child reaches adult status by US law. When reaching majority the child may elect to be a citizen of either country. This is, by the way, current US law. It has been shown repeatedly that not only have we gotten hard working people from illegal immigration but we have also gotten felons and all manner of miscreants. Our jails are filling with illegals who have committed major crimes or driven under the influence and caused horrendous accidents. How much of this do we have to put up with before our government acts? Instead we are bombarded with this crap immigration reform bill. Let us resolve to vote against any incumbent or challenger who supports this kind of “reform”. Let us also resolve to actively support any candidate who actively supports enforcing existing law and removal of illegals from US soil.

By Debrra

May 21, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

We need to quicky read up on the globalization of America, where the plans are to make the NORTH AMERICAN UNION out of Mexico, Canada and America. READ, educated yourself, tell others, get your voices out — the gap of time is closing where we can change the direction of where this country’s sovereignty is all going.

Read (http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html )

By DnA

May 21, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

To Chambliss and Isakson, you obviously both have “a lack of popular understanding”. You have also lost 2 constituents. You’re Fired.

No Amnesty. Period.

By liberty

May 21, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

It is enough with this so called conservative republicans. They are ceretainly not conservative and defineltly hate the Republic as they are doing their best to destroy it. lets see, lets all support a bill, but we don’t know the contents, but trust us..its good for you…HAHAHAHAHA…are these two GA potted plants for real? I want to thank them for motivating myself to ensure Chambliss is tossed out next election, folowed shortly by Isackson next. We will elect real conservatives next time, not fake conservatives from the fake conservative Republican Party.

By Debrra

May 21, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

We need to quicky read up on the globalization of America, where the plans are to make the NORTH AMERICAN UNION out of Mexico, Canada and America. READ, educated yourself, tell others, get your voices out — the gap of time is closing where we can change the direction of where this country’s sovereignty is all going.

Read (http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html)

By Sam

May 21, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Saxby got what he deserved. I have written him several times with no reply and Isakson does not even have a link in his website to contact, how convenient. These two are potted plants that just spend money, our money, constantly. And, take crap from Democrats and do not stand up to them. Isakson and Chambliss should have addressed this (along with the Republicans) when they were in power. But, that is what potted plants do- nothing but react. Thanks!

Sam

By Pope

May 21, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

By the US trying to adjust itself to a world labor economy, we are lowering our working class pay to a level that is equivilent to the rest of the world. Just because someone in Chili picks grapes for a certain pay doesnt mean that the US should use that pay scale for our grape pickers. If that is the standard, there is not a job in America that can’t be done cheaper somewhere else but that does not mean that we should follow that approach. We are building other countries up and lowering our. Make sure that your congressman or woman hears your loud and clear

By Pope

May 21, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

By the US trying to adjust itself to a world labor economy, we are lowering our working class pay to a level that is equivilent to the rest of the world. Just because someone in Chili picks grapes for a certain pay doesnt mean that the US should use that pay scale for our grape pickers. If that is the standard, there is not a job in America that can’t be done cheaper somewhere else but that does not mean that we should follow that approach. We are building other countries up and lowering our. Make sure that your congressman or woman hears your loud and clear

By Pope

May 21, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

By the US trying to adjust itself to a world labor economy, we are lowering our working class pay to a level that is equivilent to the rest of the world. Just because someone in Chili picks grapes for a certain pay doesnt mean that the US should use that pay scale for our grape pickers. If that is the standard, there is not a job in America that can’t be done cheaper somewhere else but that does not mean that we should follow that approach. We are building other countries up and lowering our. Make sure that your congressman or woman hears your loud and clear

By Roman

May 21, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

How soon we forget. Does anyone remember the amnesty bill from 1986 when we only had a few million ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? That travesty imposed on the American People only perpetuated more ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to come to the United States. Now we 4 to 5 times that number? Our elected representatives do no listen to their constituents and they do not learn from their past mistakes. They patronize the American people with a bill that is amnesty and then tell us that it’s not. What is a Visa that you can renew forever? How stupid to they think we are? Your constituents boo a bill that you’re backing and then comment that you got booed because there was a lack of popular understanding of the shape of current immigration issues? Translated it means these poor stupid people don’t know what is really good for them. It would serve Mr. Chambliss well to know that he was elected by POPULAR vote to serve the will of his constituents not to look down his nose condescendingly at us. We do not need new immigration laws. We need our elected officials to do what we pay them to and enforce the laws that already exist.

By Dusty

May 21, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

I would like to read this new immigration bill. Has anybody seen it or has it been completed yet? Let us decide after we read it.

Right now, illegals are still illegal. Let us enforce the laws we have already approved.

Again, illegal still means unlawful. Until the laws are changed, we must police those who break the law. That goes for ALL people in this country.

By Debrra

May 21, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Last Stand for American Sovereignty

(http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/ckincaid/2007/ck_05211.shtml)

We need to WAKE UP

By -S-

May 21, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Written here earlier on by “bugger”: [italic]But because non-terrorist people from our own hemisphere, who love America are here illegally, the reactionary, facist Republican faithful want a boondoggle wall and to send them all back … because many of them are brown, I might add.[/italic]

Now by me: that comment by “bugger” is one by actual racists and ethnic supremacists among us (“in our hemisphere”), that attempts to continue to connect ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION with skin color. As in, if one is “Brown” then one is inately engaged in illegal acts upon the U.S. by “skin color imperative” AND that by “skin color imperative” that one is thereby NOT GUILTY OF A CRIME when and as laws are violated.

This is absurd propoganda-speak that originates in mostly Socialist/Communist countries that seems to be so ingrained into the twisted mentality of many who then assume that by skin color (or “shared hemisphere”) they can or should be able to go wherever in defiance of wherever’s laws and requirements.

AND, no person who illegally enters and/or illegally remains in our country (can’t speak for others) DOES NOT “love America”. They are engaged in self satisfying malignmetns and usery of the U.S. without regard (and in defiance of) our laws. Which means they are acting as enemies of our nation.

That’s not “love,” that’s insurrection. That’s not “love,” that’s criminal mentality acting out upon their object of attack, the U.S.

Illegal aliens have displayed by their very own choices that they don’t respect our laws, that they view our nation and society as an enemy to be plundered (thus, their insistence that resistence to their plundering is someone related to their skin color, which is obviously an insult upon White people in North America and the Northern European history of the U.S. as a democracy).

Illegal aliens are the LAST people in the U.S. who merit or deserve or should be granted U.S. citizenship. We might as well get other nations to release their felons to us and call them members of law enforcement afterward, such is the absurd idea that illegal aliens should even be remotely considered for “a path to citizenship”…WHICH IS AMNESTY for people who are guilty of criminal behavior.

THAT’s the essence of the problem here, and to Democrats, apparently, that isn’t a problem because the bad characters will undoubtedly vote for more Socialism/Communism as Democrats if and as voting is possible in the U.S.

The “ideologues” are not wrong on this fact. If wrong, then call George Washington and others such as him “ideologues” who were “wrong” about things such as character, principles and declarations of moral authority.

By Phung Shi

May 21, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

The future is a min wage job handing out what passes for hunger supression at mexican fast food joints.After work ,using a 3k chinese made “car” The commute.

The future is brightly lit all night and smells like cheese and cheap chinese industrial adhehesives all @ the same time.

Sign up Suzzy , Billy

By Steve

May 21, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Just as soon as the President signs this bill these people are LEGAL. Once they are legal they qualify for every government program out there. Food Stamps, housing assistance, medicaide, educational loans, job training, every safety net the American people have insituted for the (american) poor.

We can’t afford 20 million poor.

The rest of us are struggling to take care of our own.

By George

May 21, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

If everyone who has posted here were to contact their senator directly maybe we can stop this craziness. Go here if you need contact info:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contactinformation/senatorscfm.cfm

By Debra

May 21, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Quicky read up on the globalization of America, where the plans are to make the NORTH AMERICAN UNION out of Mexico, Canada and America. READ, educated yourself, tell others, get your voices out — the gap of time is closing where we can change the direction of where this country’s sovereignty is all going.

Read (http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html)

By -S-

May 21, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

More thoughts:

I continue to hear and read from illegal alien apologists and the illegals themselves that “it will mean disaster for the U.S. if 12/20 million (illegal aliens) are removed from the country.”

And I say: go ahead, remove them and let us deal with the results. I don’t think it will mean “disaster,” I do believe it will mean a better quality of life overall for all citizens of this nation, AND for the country itself. Imagine how much more taxpayer money Congress will have to spend, which is something I’m surprised Congress — ever eager to have a lot at it’s disposal — hasn’t entertained as an option.

AND, the very idea that the U.S. “must have” or “has to have” huge numbers of “workers” (meaning, illegal aliens, unskilled labor, people available to “work” who won’t be taxed, checked, verified, held responsible, etc.) is self-motivating and like self-replicating.

That is, the vast millions of illegal aliens who are here already in the U.S. (vastly increased in millions during the Bush Administration) REQUIRE MORE infrastructure, more of everything.

That means, even more of them means even more of everything else.

That may mean increased dollars to segments and areas at a certain time, but it also means eventually that it will require (as it has alraedy in areas that have been beset by illegal alien populations for a while now) areas and segments to SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND LIABILITIES of those illegal alien populations, such as healthcare, educations, decreased tax bases because taxpayers leave over time from these areas, a lot of environmental fallout and damage, increased food demands, etc….

And that means you eventually end up with Tijuana in Georgia and Montana and that’s what’s already happened in places in the Southwest and South, now, too: increased and increasing neighborhoods and areas that are beset with all the problems that these originating cultures, without interdiction once in the U.S., recreate once they get here.

They may provide initial profit to some business segments, but it is the overall taxpayers of the nation who are demanded upon afterward to supplant and pay for the liabilities of those increased profits for some business segments.

No one says that to do business, you get to demand that taxpayers pay for your employees’ kids childcare, food, rent, educations, housing, and now home mortgages but that’s what’s taking place in the U.S. as per the illegal alien populations among us and those who employ them. They get the profits, the taxpayers get the bills and all the denigration to our own way of life that these problems create.

I know that on the May 01 events last year, when Hispanics and illegal aliens among them (the vast majority of illegal aliens in the U.S. are Hispanic and most of them from Mexico), when they all protested the U.S. on May 01 (truant from their taxpayer paid educations and jobs), the streets were quiet, the shops were nice and quiet and it was a good day overall for all the rest of us…just to see what occured when this mostly 12/20 million illegal alien crowd wasn’t in the neighborhoods nationwide, the nation was nicer overall without them in our work and retail areas (and driving on the streets).

The U.S. has no need to be ashamed nor apologize for respecting a standard as to way of life here and to demand qualifications from those who want to come here from other nations. That anyone is even trying to explain that to anyone else is pitiful. And it does go to show to what extent that the illegal alien issue is used by people from other nations (and, thereby, by other nations) to undermine and erode the U.S. as a democratic nation.

Illegal immigration IS a terrorist movement. Just look at all the animosity from mostly illegal aliens (with a lot of Democrats otherwise thrown in on most public comments) about the U.S. as to anyone not intent upon Socialism (rules out Democrats).

By Guy Pinestra

May 21, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

These two potted plants need to hear from all of us today that a vote for cloture is a vote for AMNESTY!!!

Saxby Shameless will be booted from office next year on the basis of his pandering to Big Ag and AGAINST the working citizens of Georgia.

The reason they can’t keep ag workers in the fields is that they all come to the city to take construction and other jobs from LEGAL citizens!

Call Senator Shameless and tell him ‘NO BILL is better than this amnesty MONSTROSITY!!!

By Harry Clift

May 21, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

The speed limit should be changed. Cars are speeding. Demoncrates and Republican’ts must come together, agree and change the speed limit to eliminate illegal speeds. Cops that arrest speeders should be accused of wife beatings and jailed like Ramos, the border guard. Driving the speed limit is dangerous. Speed limits should eliminate traffic jams and make drivers feel safe. Raise the speed limit. Change the speed limit to eliminate all speeders so everyone will be legal, feel legal, and feel safe.

By Adam

May 21, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Be gone with both of our GA “Senators”.

Probably a good chance of political office in Mexico.

By Adam

May 21, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Very well said Harry.

We have the power of the vote. Lets use it.

By Debra

May 21, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Last Stand for American Sovereignty

(http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/ckincaid/2007/ck_05211.shtml)

Quicky read up on the globalization of America, where the plans are to make the NORTH AMERICAN UNION out of Mexico, Canada and America.

Read (http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html)

We need to WAKE UP

By Ron

May 21, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

We don’t need convoluted solutions: Close the borders and deport everyone who is here illegally. A check of Social Security numbers can easily identify most illegals.

By Guy Pinestra

May 21, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

This is an absolute SELLOUT of the American people!

Call Shameless and Isukson and tell them they’re HISTORY if they vote for this garbage!

By Shirley

May 21, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

HOW Do You Spell “SLAVERY”….. Bought and brought over from Africa, many years ago … Or inviting Illegal Immigrants, to take up the “plow” and Work for the NEW “Masters‘“who are using them worse than the first ones were. . at least the early slaves were given value and most were cared for by their owners as best they could in that time era. the illegals are always going to be put down in more ways than one and because the BIG Companies in America have a hand in the pocket of Most ALL politicians , in one way or another it will be permitted. Why can’t these people realize that they are being used so the rich can get richer and the poor get poorer. it is time to stop . and I think AMERICA IS GETTING TIRED OF THE DOUBLE TALK COMING FROM OUR “ELECTED”

By Rick Simpson

May 21, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

It’s a sad day in Georgia’s history when both of its supposedly Republican U.S Senators are shown grinning ear-to-ear with the likes of Ted Kennedy about a deal to give amnesty to millions of criminals.

By the very fact that they are illegally in this country right now, these people have already proven that they have no respect for our laws. Apparently, neither do our amnesty minded elected officials. Both of these Senators have put the demands of criminals over the wishes of a majority of the Georgians who elected them to represent our state.

I have written both of these so called representatives telling them how disgusted I am with their actions, but I’m just a normal conservative tax-paying constituent - what do I know. I would rather be represented by two potted plants than be represented by these two liberal plants. Talk about sleeper cells!

By Klaus

May 21, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

I have been a life-long Republican until now. When Republicans stand side-by-side with Ted Kennedy how bad can the other side be?

Remember this picture:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/imageview.php?imageID=20070520-111837-2735

By Rebecca

May 21, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

We don’t need anymore new bills passed. All Americans are asking is just to enforce the laws that already exist. Secure the borders first. Give jail-time to companies that hire illegals and the illegals will be forced to leave. Take away federal funding to those cities/states who don’t uphold laws and give sanctuary.
It’s a very easy solution.

One more point, have you ever heard an illegal during all these protest marches and demands ever demand citizenship?

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

I remember the 1986 amnesty bill. Oddly, I don’t recall “the fall of our civilization” coming to fruition because of it. I don’t believe anything negative came from the 86 amnesty what so ever.

It’s time for the members in congress to listen to the people as a whole, not the frothing at the mouth redneck wing of the GOP. Every poll conducted by legitimate organizations shows that Americans accept legalization for illegals, coupled with securing the border and work place enforcement.

Being here illegally isn’t even a criminal infraction, it’s a civil offense. An fine in order to get right with the law is appropriate, along with moving to the back of the line for citizenship.

Thank goodness for representatives like McCain, Kennedy, Kyl, President Bush and the many others who have worked tirelessly to ensure a workable solution to this problem. The elements on the extreme left and right may not be happy, but I think that that is a good measure to gauge when we’re on the right track.

By Fritz

May 21, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

““We either come up with a comprehensive immigration package or we have the status quo,” is code for, “We aren’t going to enforce existing laws—including funding the existing fence legislation—unless Congress gives away Sovereignty.

REMEMBER: We aren’t “lucky” to have been born Americans. Our ancestors toiled to create the wonder that has been America—to pass it to us. We can’t let Congress give it away, to ruin it, with 100 million people who don’t cherish AMERICA’s HERITAGE. If WE can’t defend the precious gift bestowed on us then WHO WILL?

By Debra

May 21, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Paul Jacobs, you have officially drank the entire jug of Kool Aid — and you probably don’t even know it.

By Wayne

May 21, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Can senators be recalled?

If not, will someone with a legal background organize an effort to change the law to make this happen??

By tanley

May 21, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Document fraud is a felony, and illegal border crossing is a federal crime, and our elected want to reward that?? What do they smok’?

By Rebecca

May 21, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Paul Jacobs you are absolutely WRONG! You said “Being here illegally isn’t even a criminal infraction, it’s a civil offense.” That isn’t true, entry is a misdemeanor, but, if repeated, becomes punishable as a felony. It is also a federal felony to hire an illegal alien.

You’re the one who needs some education on the laws of this land, not this “frothing at the mouth redneck wing (former member) of the GOP.”

By ACT

May 21, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

I have taken the time to read through the majority of this bill and it is the biggest waste of paper I have ever seen.

America HAS immigration laws already.

There is NO ENFORCEMENT.

Why bring a bill that includes a zillion NEW laws if the Federal Government is not going to enforce the ones they have in place already?

Our schools and healthcare systems are buckling under the weight of illegal immigration. Making all of these people legal is only going to make things worse.

God help America if this bill is passed.

By -S-

May 21, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Comment on this by “Ted”: [Quote Starts] Its not about paying lower wages, if any of you have had work done at your home or wherever everyone knows the wages paid are the same or close to each other.

Drive down the road, whose working in the ditch while 2 or 3 people stand at the top and watch him ?

Pull into any subdivision whose painting, roofing, installing, building >? not that its cheaper its because they want to work and that’s the bottom line. when the people here in America want to work 40 or 50 hours a week then you will see them there. [Wuote ENDS]

MY COMMENTS:

That is rubbish. I’ve seen with my own eyes and in my own experience, economically and professionally, how illegal aliens “work” and what they accomplish and how and for what.

They use a great deal of time talking, joking around, interacting with each other (“the race”, “the people” type issues) and less time actually WORKING than is customary in most European-descendent groups.

Illegals also produce vastly WORSE QUALITY product afterward than do most “White people” workers, particularly in construction: illegals eat, gossip, talk, use their cell phones, run around a lot afterward but not working, complain, go back to their cell phones and generally use a lot of paid time to do everything BUT working, and, when they’re allegedly “finished” with their “work,” what they’ve produced is vastly inferior to what is generally average for an Italian, say, or a German or a Swiss or their descendents.

The fact, is, I’ve seen so much waste and nonproductivity from this alleged “cheap labor” pool that is mostly illegal aliens and mostly Hispanic (by the vast majority, Hispanic) that I see what’s produced afterward and it is almost always vastly inferior to what the nation has otherwise been producing up to now with standard labor, even specialized labor.

I’ve read vast complaints as to the similar situation from among programmers and other technical industries, that the vast numbers of (even) the so-called “skilled workers” on the H1 visas are tremendously underskilled in comparison with most U.S. college graduates, and certainly are of a lesser overall quality in work product than most of what the U.S. has traditionally deemed average.

I can go shop at any grocer or general food store and routinely, the Hispanic and other obvious foreign workers (not all Hispanics are foreign workers nor illegal, I realize, but the vast majority OF ILLEGALS are Hispanic and they certainly are foreign) chatter, refuse to assist people, do a lot of avoidance of work rather than actual work, and, then they interrupt customers and even laugh at them if and as no Spanish is spoken (and I don’t think the U.S. should even tolerate Spanish speaking in any official capacity in any workplace nor public program — everyone who works in the U.S. needs to be speaking and reading English and it’s a requirement of LEGAL immigration to understand English and needs to remain so).

My main point is that the concept of “work” is very different and quite inferior from most Latin and South American countries as to UNSILLED WORKERS and even allegedly “skilled” workers in comparison with average standards for decades in the U.S.

But as to construction and home maintenance, I’d never, NEVER hire an illegal alien NOR a Hispanic who was not a U.S. citizen (and even then, I’d devote a lot of time to screening them before hiring), just because I have experienced the animosities and bad results that many of them foster in the U.S. workplace, in the homes of many, and the inferior results produced afterward as product.

Watch your neighborhoods, look at the street, markets, public works, etc. work being done and watch who stands around and talks more than they produce. And how much time it takes them to produce what they eventually do accomplish. It is almost always that “Hispanic, illegal alien” population who is responsible for the extensive time involved, the bad results, the poor work behaviors, the bad products afterward.

And, sadly, in my experience, same goes for a huge number of those from India who are demanding more access to H1 visas for technical industries. I’ve heard vast complaints as to the problems they create when in the U.S. workplaces and especially as to the poor quality of work they provide; and, they seem quite nasty about U.S. workers in any shared environment.

By Justin

May 21, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Sen Chambliss is condescending…I can read English, I can understand Congressional legislation.

By Al

May 21, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

This country was at its most secure on September 12, 2001!!!!!!!!

By Harold

May 21, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Add the requirement that English is the national language and get rid of latino radio and TV and I don’t mind them comming here. I just don’t want my grand kids speaking Spanish if they live in the USA.

By Jose

May 21, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

“After the speech, Chambliss said he took the crowd’s reaction as a lack of popular understanding of the shape of the current immigration system.”

How typically arrogant of elite politicians when they so easily dismiss citizen opposition as simply lacking the knowledge to think and decide for themselves on the issue.

Just MAYBE, Mr. Chambliss, imagine its possible that the people are already well informed on this issue, and have made their minds up just fine without your needless tutelage.

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

“Paul Jacobs you are absolutely WRONG! You said “Being here illegally isn’t even a criminal infraction, it’s a civil offense.” That isn’t true, entry is a misdemeanor, but, if repeated, becomes punishable as a felony.”

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, sure. To charge an illegal with this misdemeanor you need to know when (what date/time) and what location the illegal crossed. Even those who are CAUGHT crossing the border are only prosecuted 5% of the time.

As far as my original statement, which was “being here illegal isn’t even a crime”…Tom Tancredo seems to agree with me

“Right now, illegal presence in the USA is not a crime; it is a civil infraction.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-03-29-opposingview-immigration_x.htm

Maybe you aught to do a little research yourself, toots.

By Bret G.

May 21, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

On the next business day after Adolph Bush signs that abomination into law we need to sue the US Government.

I already heard that the twelve million criminals will not be required to pay back taxes. Where is my tax amnesty? Everyday lawful Americans slave to finance a socialist monster know as the Federal Government. This is a slap in our face.

I say sue the Federal Government in every court of the land that it has violated our fourteenth amendment rights.

Adolph Bush as even signed an agreement with Mexico guaranteeing that these twelve-million criminals be credited for past Social Security payments. These criminals break the law and then entitled to raid the public treasury. Sue the Federal Government for violating the RICO act. The federal government is engaged in criminal activity. Criminals should not be allowed to profit from criminal behavior.

Even as Adolph Bush plans a giant Social Security give away to criminals he plans to cheat lawful Americans of their due.

From a Bush régime report on the 2006 budget:

“By comparison, SOSI reports net present value expenditures of $44,147 billion in net social insurance responsibilities. 2 The net social insurance responsibilities (scheduled benefits in excess of estimated revenues) indicate that those programs are on an unsustainable fiscal path and difficult choices will be necessary in order to address their large and growing long-term fiscal imbalance. Delay is costly and choices will be more difficult as the retirement of the ‘baby boom’ gets closer to becoming a reality with the first wave of boomers eligible for retirement under Social Security in 2008.”

By Rebecca

May 21, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

I just want to say this before my blood pressure goes to boiling. Anyone who lives in the Tucker/Norcross area knows exactly what I’m talking about. I want the Hispanic invasion to stop.
A major chain grocery store had been in my area 15+ years, they closed last year. Seven years ago, the store slowly started to change the items in the store catering to the Hispanics that were moving in apartments around the store. I had to drive at least 4 miles to go to another store. The store closed last year because the Hispanics weren’t buying with money, but were mostly using food stamps. Also, more shops started to close and more “Spanish” only shops opened.
In my neighborhood, we can’t get Gwinnett County to “enforce” the zoning laws of my sub-division. My sub-division is zoned for single family housing, yet the Hispanics who have moved in, are “multi” family. Housing prices that had been steadily increasing over the years have now started a downward trend. I won’t even go into the anger I feel when driving in my neighborhood and the cars parked all along the street. If my street were to have a house fire, the fire truck wouldn’t get through.

Crime is unreal in my area and we now have a very active Hispanic gang activity. A month ago, my daughter and I went to a fast food place and our entry was blocked by a Hispanic male, he was either drunk or on drugs, laughing and speaking Spanish. This was 4 o’clock in the afternoon!

If my rant makes me seem rascists, then so be it. I am sick at what has happened to my community and I want it back.

I comply with the laws of this country and state and I expect the laws to be enforced. Enforcement is all that most are asking for.

By Sam

May 21, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller, where are you? Your state needs you, your country needs you, and the future of our country needs you. Please step up and announce your entry into the run for Chambliss’s seat. We need your new real world thinking, and your courage to speak up. You might feel too old for the work, but if you look at these two jokers, Chambliss and Isakson, you have to know you can do better than them using 2 per cent of your time and mind. If the Republican party wants to survive this trap the Demos have set for them, they best get someone similar to Zell. If he runs as a Democrat, I think the Republicans should be able to hear the bells tolling. The republican party paraded themselves as conservatives, and they looked and sounded like a good thing, but, as we now see, listening to Johnny and Saxby, they are just a bunch of Kennedy’s lackeys, much like the Democrats that were voted out a few years ago.

By Mike

May 21, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Democrats want the illegals voting. They figure they can give them a bunch of hand-outs and the illegals will vote for them and they are probably right. Democrats don’t want honest elections because they will lose. If they truly wanted fair, honest elections they would allow voter id cards to allow poll workers to verify that the person going into the voting booth was legal and registered to vote in that area. Republicans appear to be greedy and want the cheap labor. Both parties are a joke and pandering to a group of people who have no rights at all. It p** me off that the government gives social services to people who are in this county illegally and do not pay taxes. Shut down the border, punish the companies who hire illegals harshly, cut off government services, and round them up and deport them as you find them. We don’t stop arresting drug smugglers even though we can’t stop the flow of drugs… We arrest them and stop them as we find them. It’s going to be sad when some terrorists pay off the corrupt Mexican government and sneak a couple of suit case nukes in the country and light up a few cities all because we were too worried about hurting the feelings of people who have no concern for our laws or way of life. They are stealing from U.S. citizens plain and simple. Wake up!!!!!

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

A store could no longer hack it in our free market economy and a guy was laughing and speaking spanish at McDonalds. Ooooh. How do you manage.

You don’t just SOUND racist, Becka…you ARE racist.

Fortunately for me and every other American in our great society, policy decisions aren’t based on racism.

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

A store could no longer hack it in our free market economy and a guy was laughing and speaking spanish at McDonalds. Ooooh. How do you manage.

You don’t just SOUND racist, Becka…you ARE racist.

Fortunately for me and every other American in our great society, policy decisions aren’t based on racism.

By Barry

May 21, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

This bill conveys the attitude that the US Government does not enforce its laws. OK, then… let’s see how far we can get away with disobeying the TAX LAWS! Oh, I see — CITIZENS can’t get away with ignoring our laws. Hmmm… what’s that telling us — that ALIENS have more rights than we citizens?? Somehow that just doesn’t jive with our Consitution! Time to vote out these idiots in Congress!

By GC1

May 21, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

This is rediculous! How are you gonna look the legal immigrants in the eye and tell tehm they have to wait 10 more years after waiting many years already…in order to let these illegal aliens get in here now?…This is so stupid it is beyond the pale. Once they are in here they will evade forever…$5,000??…they are not going to pay anything. They will just move. The federal government can’t control anything here….Katrina, the border, Iraq…..no way are they going to chase 20,000,000 mexicans all over the USA to get them to do anything. Dump this loser…the elections are right around the corner politicians…..and we remember everything!!!

By Mike Adams

May 21, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Why do we need “new immigration laws”? Why not “endorce” the laws we have now? The “problem” is “enforcement” of the laws we have; and King GW Bush and his gang of thugs only “enforce” what benefits themselves!! And they don’t care about the “average American”!!

By Barry

May 21, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Hey Yall:

Somebody up ther in Congress is being paid big time to pass the legislation. I am tired of big business and the Republican Party using our votes to destroy the American people for money. They are betraying us as citizens and are not standing up for our legal rights. They are caving in to illegal immigrant who do not give a damn about this country only a paycheck and a job. We might as well legalize all the terrorist that are in this country to illegally. We need to really look at who is benefiting from this legislation. It definitely is not the American people and those who came here legally. I thought we elected these officials to represent our needs not illegal aliens. They did not even vote for them. We as citizens are not being heard. We need to get all the new and old legislators out of Congress when theor elction time come and vote back this crazy immigration bill. I say find the illegals and those who hire them and punish them with the laws we have established designed to protect the American people not illegal aliens. Moreover, I hate to say this but this legislation can spur people movements like those that started Hitler and the Nazis Party. We must be careful of the long term impact this legislation will have on the psychey of the average American citizen. Write your congressman and blast them for the legislation, Democrat and Republican.

By Barry

May 21, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Hey Yall:

Somebody up ther in Congress is being paid big time to pass the legislation. I am tired of big business and the Republican Party using our votes to destroy the American people for money. They are betraying us as citizens and are not standing up for our legal rights. They are caving in to illegal immigrant who do not give a damn about this country only a paycheck and a job. We might as well legalize all the terrorist that are in this country to illegally. We need to really look at who is benefiting from this legislation. It definitely is not the American people and those who came here legally. I thought we elected these officials to represent our needs not illegal aliens. They did not even vote for them. We as citizens are not being heard. We need to get all the new and old legislators out of Congress when theor elction time come and vote back this crazy immigration bill. I say find the illegals and those who hire them and punish them with the laws we have established designed to protect the American people not illegal aliens. Moreover, I hate to say this but this legislation can spur people movements like those that started Hitler and the Nazis Party. We must be careful of the long term impact this legislation will have on the psychey of the average American citizen. Write your congressman and blast them for the legislation, Democrat and Republican.

By Debra

May 21, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Paul Jacobs, you are part of the problem. Open your eyes and you will see why Rebecca and tons more have reason to complain. I know, I live in San Diego, CA. Feel free calling me a racist or whatever else you pull out of your bag, it doesn’t work. This is a liberal ploy to shut people up. The reality is that the American citizen is being sold out, and for what? The North American Union:

(http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds.html)

So all of the hot air we spew here means nothing, other than a distraction from what is really the crux of the problem.

Last Stand for American Sovereignty

(http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/ckincaid/2007/ck_05211.shtml)

By GC1

May 21, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

This is rediculous! How are you gonna look the legal immigrants in the eye and tell tehm they have to wait 10 more years after waiting many years already…in order to let these illegal aliens get in here now?…This is so stupid it is beyond the pale. Once they are in here they will evade forever…$5,000??…they are not going to pay anything. They will just move. The federal government can’t control anything here….Katrina, the border, Iraq…..no way are they going to chase 20,000,000 mexicans all over the USA to get them to do anything. Dump this loser…the elections are right around the corner politicians…..and we remember everything!!!

By Dwain Cleveland

May 21, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

No amnesty is acceptable. I have relatives that have married illegals and can say from speaking first hand, with a number of those folks illegal relatives; the greater percentage of the illegals don’t have any interest in becoming American citizens. Their primary interest lies in getting the most profit out of the situation that they can manage. Not acceptable. The citizens of Georgia need to demand that the Governor and the State legislature provide for a legal method of removing our Federal Senators from office, when they act in ways that are at odds with the vast majority of the voting public. Today there is no way to dump a Senator when they go rogue. That is not acceptable.
The anchor baby garbage needs to be rectified immediately. That particular interpretation of that amendment to the U.S. Constitution was based on a decision by liberal judge legislating from the bench. Do the research. It can be rectified by another judge reversing the decision.
As far as the labor smoke and mirrors thing. As an example, there are a thousands of heavy equipment operators in Georgia, who had to find other employment when illegals took their jobs for half wages. It started with the shovel guys and has moved up the employment food chain. Do you think it will stop there?? My concerns are for American citizens, first, last and always. Mexican citizens need to go home and fix their own country. They will not be allowed turn America into the same kind of third world mess Mexico is, not without a fight. This issue has become the pivot upon which the future of this country will turn. It is to important to leave to mere politicians.

By Joe

May 21, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

The solution is simple: enforce existing laws. All Senators and congress persons that support amnesty will NOT be re-elected. We don’t need an explanation of the bill. If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, IT IS A DUCK. Stop the idiotic condescending language to your constituents. ENFORCE THE LAW!!!

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

“I know, I live in San Diego, CA.”

Oh, do ya?

Guess where I live? New York City, home to more immigrants than any other city in the world. Somehow, we’ve managed to always get by. Perhaps the rest of the nation should follow our lead to see how it’s done.

When your primary objections are based on a guy laughing and speaking spanish or a grocery store going under, you show yourself to a bigot. I’d love to see the expression on a senators face when he gets that message on his phone. I can just picture any of them laughing in hysterics at the plain moronic statements a lot of you nativists make. “Oh my God, the country is on the brink of collapse!”

There are legit concerns at play on the other side, for certain. Being all upset and sniveling about “spanish looking people” in your town isn’t one of them.

By -S-

May 21, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Paul Jacobs: you should read the Constitution of the United States. Obviously, you’re no legal scholar, nor are you informed.

And, your approach about illegal aliens appears to be one of appeasement (“you have to first, then you have to…”).

I’m sorry the U.S. has Liberals such as yourself so eager to assist those who clearly have no respect for our country. Illegal immigration represents an intentional act of violation of many laws both during and after and the major point of offense to MOST American citizens is that it represents a defiance of principles upon which our nation is both founded and built.

Maybe shoplifting and check forgery are slight offenses if one views violations of the laws as degrees of “taste” but they do reflect bad character in those who commit the offenses. Same as with illegal immigration, what’s revealed is bad character.

Hardly the building blocks upon which to employ anyone, trust anyone, or more extremely offensively, deem entitled to U.S. citizenship afterward.

The point isn’t as to what “type” of legal (and character) offenses are associated with illegal immigration, but that they are offenses of law and of character. Bad ethics by intent is…the defining characteristic of what criminality is.

By BigWhtPony

May 21, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Dear sellout republican politicians:

Listen very carefully: Seal off the GD border, THEN we’ll talk about your amnesty plan. Until then, take a walk. You WILL get voted out.

By Rebecca

May 21, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Well Paul, first my name isn’t Becka.

Thanks Debra, Paul can call me whatever he wants it doesn’t change the fact that what I said is true and there are many others across this country that are witnessing their communities change to “Spanish Only.” Paul is just twisting because I corrected him that it is a federal felony to continue to enter this country illegally.

By George from Texas

May 21, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

It’s pretty easy to understand why the good people of Georgia feel the way they do about some of their elected officials, we have plenty of the same in Texas. As bad as all this is, consider something that may be even worse. When little George uh,uh, Bush finishes his last term, his will probably migrate back to Texas and his ranch in Crawford. Talk about depression, waking up each and every morning knowing he is living among us in Texas, among real Texans. One can only hope he heads south of the border to be with those he cares so much for..we hope, we hope.

By Mike for rule of law

May 21, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Hey all you dumb, uneducated, unwashed Georgia bumpkins, Sen Chambliss said he took the crowd’s reaction as a lack of popular understanding of the shape of the current immigration system. WOW, we are too stupid to “get it” and the potted plants will vote the right way so we don’t screw things up. WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE FOR ALL THE LAW ABIDING US CITIZENS. Why don’t we get the people off welfare and unemployment and put them to work in the fields? That is at least gainfull employment, not sucking off the working class of America.

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

“Paul Jacobs: you should read the Constitution of the United States.”

I have. Hundreds of times.

Tell me…where precisely under Article I does it limit the congress from being able to grant legal status to the undocumented?

Here’s the thing, “S”. “Shoplifting and check forgery” are actual criminal infractions. It’s a CRIME to steal or write bad checks.

Residing here illegally? NOT a criminal infraction. Read the USA Today link I provided a few posts up. Tom Tancredo explained it nicely.

Therefore, if illegal presence is only a civil infraction, similar to that of a speeding ticket…then an appropriate and adequate measure, such as a fine, inflicts the punitive means necessary to “get right with the law” as the president puts it.

Do we inflict extreme or harsh punishments on those who commit minor, civil infractions like jaywalking? I don’t think so!

Yet somehow, the heathen sect from red America wish to do dole out disproportionate punishment over the civil infractions that offend their precious sensibilities. Too bad.

By Buydebook

May 21, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

If ever there was a case for term limits, this is it. One term in office and you’re outta there! TERM LIMITS PEOPLE. WAKE UP

By Rebecca

May 21, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Should have known Paul was from a sanctuary state.

To correct you Paul, since it’s obvious you have a problem with comprehension, the grocery store went out of its way to cater to an ethnic group and went under.
However, the man wasn’t just laughing in Spanish, he was physically blocking mine and my daughter’s entry into a restuarant. Very different from the spin you’re attempting to make. However, I suppose living in New York City, blocking people’s entry into a store is an everyday accepted event. I can assure you it isn’t in Georgia.

By Debra

May 21, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Well Paul, you’re not even worth talking to. I think San Diego CA is much closer to the border issue than New York. Get familiar with a map while you’re familiarizing yourself on other issues. If you add additional comments to me, they will go unanswered since I believe you to be fairly ignorant, unteachable, and proud.

By vote for me

May 21, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

What we need to do is to have regular people run as indies or write ins on the platform of forced deportation or shot upon entering illegally. We need an amendment that states if you are here illegally, your offspring are illegal. And Make speaking English mandatory for citizenship. We need to put the brakes on immigration or we will become the US of Mexico. We need to stop with the “we need tougher laws” and start enforcing the ones we have. Breaking and entering is a felony-shoot them! We need to seal off the borders and perhaps mine them so that any illegal that tries to enter-KABOOM!ust replace the mine.After 5 or 6 get turned into jigsaw puzzles-they will head for South America. Then we can start deporting Muslims and breaking up the oil companies and their billion dollar profits.

By Rebecca

May 21, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

It is against the law to live here illegally.

This site explains the laws perfectly.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

“Paul is just twisting because I corrected him that it is a federal felony to continue to enter this country illegally.”

I said otherwise? Where? Quote me Becka Sue.

Now I see why Georgia ranks 53rd out of 50 in edumacation.

By Hotspur

May 21, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

The below from Roman Marcus Cicero fm 42 BC - could be written today for:

Senators Saxby & Isakson -

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.

But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

By NO Amnesty again!

May 21, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Hmmm. think about it.

You are an illegal immigrant living in the US.

you can A: Come forward, submit to a background check, pay $5,000 fine, learn engrish, get a SS#, start paying income taxes and jump thru many other hoops.

or
You could: Do NOTHING and stay illegal, save the $5,000, skip the background check, pay no income tax, no need to bother with buying auto insurance or get fingerprinted so theres no way to ever be tracked by the police.

Which would you choose?????

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

“San Diego”? OOOOH, my ears are burning! She’s speaking spanish, arrest her!

It matters not WHERE S.D. is located. The immigrant population, both legal and illegal, pales in comparison to that of the five boroughs of NY.

Not to mention, it does nothing to blindly leaving a link to FAIR, whose contents do not actually contradict anything I’ve said (looking at the page right now, in another window. Hmmm…nope, doesn’t say anything about illegal presence being anything more than a civil infraction).

Do yourself the favor and don’t reply, if that’s what you need to do. Knowing you READ this is all the satisfaction I need :)

By DanM

May 21, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Any Republican in Congress who votes for this needs to be “Dasheled” in the next election cycle. Let’s start with Lindsey Graham and make an example out of him. I live in Louisiana, but I will give $1,000 to the campaign of any credible alternative who opposes him in the next Republican primary.

By James Goff (Jim)

May 21, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

We have hundreds of laws and right now we have around 12 million people who are trespassing in our country. I doubt any other country in the world would allow this to happen to this degree and radically change the language we speek. We must enforce the laws we have. Anyone who knowingly hires an illegal should be punished to the full extent of the law period. Either that or allow the rest of us to pick and choose the laws we wish to obey. I am confident that previous senators and congressmen are getting ready to roll over in their graves at the the “Great Sell Out” As they say over and over. “Follow the money”. This is crazy folk on one hand this is much like slavery for those people and on the other hand a huge debt we the tax payers are paying. People have the right to have a job and earn a living but do I as an American have the obligation to provide this to anyone who crosses illegally and works illegally in my country. Members of Congress already have some rather heavy perks and they seem to me telling the rest of us “Oh you don’t have any bread - simple just eat cake”. Once they get in office you can not blast them out.

We need a 10 to 15 million man march on Washington -

Jim - Germantown, Maryland

By JW

May 21, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Rebecca and Deb, Why are you falling for this? Paul is just some douche trying to get you both PO’d. His mom and dad probably don’t realize he’s on their computer.

By Rebecca

May 21, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

*By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

“Paul is just twisting because I corrected him that it is a federal felony to continue to enter this country illegally.”

I said otherwise? Where? Quote me Becka Sue.

Now I see why Georgia ranks 53rd out of 50 in edumacation.*

You did say otherwise “Being here illegally isn’t even a criminal infraction, it’s a civil offense.” Don’t blame me if you can’t recall what you wrote.

I feel sorry for you, in that you can’t even have a civil disagreement without resorting to using insults and juvenile taunts by mocking my name. You’re a real man.

By motorheed

May 21, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

This new bill is silly. We already have good immigration laws on the book that are not being enforced. Am I to believe that all of a sudden we will begin enforcing immigration laws? This has been a prime example of Congress wasting time and money. I doubt this will even be introduced in the house and if it is, it won’t get far.

Thanos - I’m pretty sure the Republican Party lost Congress because of Iraq, not immigration. Maybe you could make a stretch to say they lost because they left value voters in the wind but not because of immigration. Anyone who watches the news or reads newspapers will know this. As for corrupt, take a look at Pelosi’s minumum wage bill and Murthas recent actions during committee debate.

As for bugger, callin Republican’s bigots really does reflect negativley on you. I assume you are calling them bigots because they oppose illegal immigration - just like everyone else. An incase you haven’t been paying attention, boarder security in Iraq has been talked about for the last year. Also calling republican facists and reactionaries is pretty ignorant on your part. Tancredo is at best a moderate republican so thus he does not fit your all-englufing charecteristcs. I don’t think you really know what Facist and reactionary means. Maybe you should cross the boarder the other way as you would probably be with likeminded ignorants in Venezuala.

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

“You did say otherwise “Being here illegally isn’t even a criminal infraction, it’s a civil offense.” Don’t blame me if you can’t recall what you wrote.”

Lets see if you can’t wrap your mind around the difference here.

CROSSING THE BORDER illegally is a misdemeanor. To be charged with crossing the border, you have to catch someone doing so…unless you can prove in a court of law when and where the crossing occured.

Now…are you still with me Becka Sue? Pay close attention. What I have said, and what Tom Tancredo points out in this piece:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-03-29-opposingview-immigration_x.htm

Is the RESIDING HERE ILLEGALLY is not a criminal infraction.

Do you see the difference?

Caught crossing the border? CRIME Living here illegally? NOT a crime

I’m embarassed for the both of us that I had to take you by the hand and walk you through that. For someone so dedicated to demanding people SPEAK ENGLISH, perhaps you could actually learn to comprehend it.

By Paul Jacobs

May 21, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

“Paul is just some douche trying to get you both PO’d.”

You can always tell when you’ve snapped the right wing’s spine (assuming they have one). They devolve into muttering that time tested and irrefutable retort: “yer juss’a jerk!”

Shattering.

By Liam

May 21, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

We do not have to deport 12 million as the Amnesty folks like to keep saying, We just need to enforce current employment laws and the criminals will go home.

By yankeegirl

May 21, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Two words: Impeach Congress. Or maybe it should be Dethrone Congress. If this doesn’t convince you of the need for Term Limits….hmmm, another good “two words”

By Earl

May 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Enforce the Law! Stop supporting Amnesty! Elect Senators who are not controlled by the Council On Foreign Relations and will uphold the Constitution!

By Rick Simpson

May 21, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

You seem like a very caring liberal Paul Jacobs. Just an idea, but why don’t you start pushing your liberal buddies up there in New York to pass legislation that would force all illegal aliens to move to New York City by the end of 2007. That way, you could all chip in to help teach them English, pay all of their medical bills, buy them nice shiny new cars, and even provide them with some spending money.

You have that big park up there in the city that could easily be replaced by a lot of no-income apartment highrises and turned into a virtual liberal Utopia for illegals. Wouldn’t hurt your local economy one bit. I’m sure Hillary and Chuckie wouldn’t mind chipping in some of their money for a change to make that happen. Even Saxby and Johhny might contribute some of their hard earned graft to help out.

By LL

May 21, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Elite politicians just don’t get! Or do they? I think it’s time for the Silent Majority in this country to stage another Tea Party. And as far as term limits, yeah, I’d vote to cut my own throat. There are certain things like limits and salary which need to be done by referendum stateside and leave Washington out of the loop.

By Calvin

May 21, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Send Saxby and Johnny emails saying that you will never vote for them again if they vote for this bill. If they get enough of these their support will disappear.

By Joseph Pace

May 21, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

I don’t care if they are Brown or Yellow if they are in the USA legally that is great. I too am an immigrant. My family had to show that we could read, speak and write in English. We had a sponsor responsible for us. My father applied and got a job as an electrician the same day that he arrived in Detriot. He actually started working the same day. We were told only to speak English outside the home. We arrived in June of 1952 by September when I started school I had no problem understanding the teacher and fellow students. I was eleven years old at that time. I became a US citizen in 1959. Now I live in Florida and there are many people around me that do not speak or care to learn the language of our country have no intention of applying for citizenship. When I go into Walmart I cannot ask for help because the help only know Spanish. We are being Balkanized. Every ethnic group want there own identity recognized. Deversity is not helping keeping this country together. We should stop immigration to a trickle till all the new legal immigrants assimilate and deport the illegal ones. It can be done. They came in slowly we can send them back quicker by denying them jobs that Americans can do. Most illegals do not do farm work but construction and other work that pays over eleven dollars an hour.

By Joseph Pace

May 21, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

I don’t care if they are Brown or Yellow if they are in the USA legally that is great. I too am an immigrant. My family had to show that we could read, speak and write in English. We had a sponsor responsible for us. My father applied and got a job as an electrician the same day that he arrived in Detriot. He actually started working the same day. We were told only to speak English outside the home. We arrived in June of 1952 by September when I started school I had no problem understanding the teacher and fellow students. I was eleven years old at that time. I became a US citizen in 1959. Now I live in Florida and there are many people around me that do not speak or care to learn the language of our country have no intention of applying for citizenship. When I go into Walmart I cannot ask for help because the help only know Spanish. We are being Balkanized. Every ethnic group want there own identity recognized. Diversity is not helping keeping this country together. We should stop immigration to a trickle till all the new legal immigrants assimilate and deport the illegal ones. It can be done. They came in slowly we can send them back quicker by denying them jobs that Americans can do. Most illegals do not do farm work but construction and other work that pays over eleven dollars an hour.

By JW

May 21, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Yea, yea Paul, you’re right….anyone that disagrees with you has to be a right-winger. What a douche.

By Roamer

May 21, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

I hope they have the potted plants on the next ballot. I will be voting for the plants.

By Tebs

May 21, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

I agree with Claude. The entitlement that even Americans seem to exhibit is quite embarrassing. I don’t understand why we need help on our farms when there are unemployed people, as well as people on welfare who are more than capable of working and holding jobs! But still in all, God bless America. And I may be the only one, but I stand behind and respect our president, who at this time is George Bush.

Signed , a TRUE American…maybe the last of a dying breed. and P.S. I’ll be glad to volunteer my time to help build that wall between our borders. We can’t afford more people here who have absoltely nothing to lose by denigrating our way life.

By Nate

May 21, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

I have a cleaning company and I am tired of Latinos calling me lazy by saying they are doing jobs Americans don’t want to do. they say we need Latinos to pick our produce and build our house, like Latinos don’t eat vegatables and don’t live in houses. if we didn’t have more than 20 million Latinos here, would we really need the help to pick the extra food and build the extra houses? before the Reagan amnesty, all our roads and house were being built, no shortages. we had plenty of food, no shortages. and who do Latino businesses hire, not a cross-section of employees that represents the diversity of this country, no, they hire Latinos. definitely and completely discrimination.and to see them receiving free benefits at hospital, health depts. and other state agencies is just plain wrong, especially when honorably discharged American citizen veterans are NOT illegible for the same benefits. and all this with a disrespectful attitude to the people who have been so generous to them. fair, necesssary and well-documented immigration is ok, at a slow pace. but we should be picking and choosing the people who come here, and one of the first requirements is someone who is trying to learn English and will follow through with a mandatory English course. we pay their way, and they call us ‘pinche juelos’, F-ing white people, or the equivalent, ‘gringos’. they don’t pay their fair share of taxes and they send money made here to pump up there own country’s economies, which hurts the American economy. these ungrateful leaches are not helping our country as they keep telling us, they would like to slowly take over from within and make another version of their own country here. and when they are close to 50% of the population of this country, they will become more hateful and violent against Americans, just like the march in L.A. where the Latinos started the problem by attacking the police, and then cried like a bunch of little spoiled brats when the police struck back. you don’t have to be smart to know that if you start a fight with a cop, he’s gonaa fight you back, but that’s exactly what they wanted, and the bs spin from that has been working perfectly in their favor. and if you are in this country illegally and are mooching off of us, DON’T TOUCH OUR DAMN FLAG! especially if you are just using it for your own selfish attempts at manipulation!

By randy swearengin

May 21, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

End illegal immigration..NOW>

If you are not legal, you are sent home…

Protect our borders. If you are coming into this country illegaly, you will pay a heavy price. Work camps, etc. No amnesty. We do not need more uneducated citizens draining the treasury and becoming part of the American Welfare State.

When I was young, the American teenager provided the needed low wage services to American Business and to families. If the American teenager was mowing, painting , serving food, etc., we would have a marginal need for additional labor.

Let’s make our country strong—-once again—-and employ our youth instead of illegal aliens.

Just as Europe is trading in many parts of their socialist/communist system, America continues to follow many of Europe’s failed policies.

What a tragedy for America.

By KT

May 21, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Well, I don’t know what more we can expect from a society whose answer to traffic fatalities caused by people fleeing the police, is to ban the police from chasing them. Americans have steadily eroded respect for the law for decades, as we removed the responsibility for crimes from the criminal. Illegal immigrants ARE criminals; hence the term “ILLEGAL”. Amnesty is not the answer. We should not grant citizenship to the babies of illegals, and we should not grant amnesty to those here illegally; regardless of whether they pay fines. As a cop, I see the costs of illegals daily in (uninsured) traffic accidents and other crime; and have you been to your local public health office lately??? Our tax dollars are paying for their health care, while us tax-paying, U.S. citizens pay hundreds a month for car and health insurance. Millions of un-taxed U.S. dollars flow out of the county every month; and amnesty won’t stop that. My child’s public school education has to be “dumbed down” so that non-english speaking students can keep up. My school tax $$ have to be spent to accomodate them. 11 million criminals need to be stopped and punished. Of course, a true deterent to illegal immigration would be to stop granting their babies citizenship, and permanently barring both the illegals and their children from the U.S.; combined with the threat of minimum, mandatory prison time for illegals caught in the U.S. There are plenty of Mexicans, Hondurans, Colombians, etc. waiting to come here legally. Let’s reward those waiting patiently in line for their turn.

By Bill

May 21, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Here in Arizona there is an all day demonstration that started in front of Sen. Jon Kyl’s office at 5 a.m. today. He was just reelected in November. He absolutely could not win if the election were held today. Feeling is very, very deep here in Arizona where we feel the brunt of the illegals as much as any other place. Long waits in emergency wards, hospitals on the border going BK, illegals growing marijuana in the national forest near my home, gun battles between the coyotes on our freeways, dirty diapers dumped across the Sonoran Desert in southern AZ, street corners full of illegals looking for work, etc. etc. I even know some bear hunters who stumbled upon some illegals tending a marijuana crop who opened fire on them. The bear hunters returned fire and the authorities had to intervene. A real mess thanks to Washington. Kyl has won his last election but unfortunately we are stuck with him for the next six years. If you can dump your senator in the next election please do so and elect someone who will help get control of the situation. We need the workers but not on the terms the pandering politicians are foisting on us.

By Tom Jeff

May 21, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Tebs, if you support George Bush, you definitely are not a True American, that dumb little spoiled rich kid has hurt this country more than any other President I can think of, just look at our oil prices, more than doubled in 7 years, and guess what ol Georgie boy and his family and Cheney are part of big oil, what a suprise. but it’s those darn refineries isn’t it? belive me, if they can start a stupid war, they can get enough refineries. they love the bottleneck the so-called refinery problem creates, pushes up prices, beefs up profits. remember just because someone says they love kids and the flag and Jesus doesn’t always mean they are sincere, sometimes they are just hiding behind those things for their own selfish reasons.

By James

May 21, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

People don’t understand the legislation??? The elistist little effeminate sleaze needs to understand that we know exactly what these buffoons are trying to stick to us! To hell with him and his fellow travelers!!!

By Rebecca

May 21, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Tom Tancredo wrote that “illegal presence in the USA is not a crime; it is a civil infraction.”

That isn’t a true statement. The “illegal presence” is a immigration violation and is a deportable offense. The code that is violated is under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code.

By Garba Maigoro

May 21, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

* Big Business 278 Citizens 0 *

This contest is so boring let the Fat Lady sing already!

By Nancy

May 21, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

What is wrong with border security first, enforce the current laws- go after businesses that hire,etc. - then a large guest worker plan that allows them to come work, no family, no benefits or social services, no social security benefits for them or their family members-no amnesty - must be registered and have an ID card to be here so we don’t have any criminals. If they want citizenship they can follow the legal path to come here. Mexico should be charged for past medical and school cost to the American taxpayer. We need workers out of the shadows but not citizens that will change the current demographics of our country and change the political landscape where only democrats can win an election and huge new costfor more social programs for uneducated workers from foreign countries.

By lassiter

May 21, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

There is another factor that worries me.A lot of the Hispanic leaders are very racists, many of them, well educated, they can sway the ignorant masses at will.( Enrique Morones, La Raza, Lulac, Maldef, Mexica, come to mind) Some alredy have implied that they want a Hispanic majority in this country. By demographics they can elect their own Senators, Congressmen etc.Are we going to end up being a franchise of the Mexican Governement? It smells like a Trojan Horse.

By Tom in NC

May 21, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Don’t sit there!!! Do something! Call, Write, E-mail your representatives and senators! Who cares if they’re Democrats or Republicans, Tell them you’ll vote for their opponents if they vote for this bill. WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT, not another ANMESTY BILL for lawbreakers! The American People need a third-party more than ever. I’m a Republican looking into joining the Constitution Party!
Democrats and Republicans are ruining our country.

By Nate

May 21, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

the Republican party is in a real pickle over immigration, on one hand they want to look like John Wayne and wrap themselves in the flag and say they want to be tough on immigration, while all the same time totally supporting their buddies in corporate America, big business, who is driving this flood of illegal immigration at the cost of American citizen’s jobs. then big business lets the taxpayers pick up the rest of the tab to support illegal families. and all Latinos are hard working, whatever, that’s just too big of a blanket statement, besides, just drive through any Latino neighborhood in Gainesville and look at all the people sitting on their butts, living off of money that is literally stolen from the American people.

By Mac

May 21, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Why is border security so inextricably linked to immigration? I think we should take an ER view of these two problems. First stop the bleeding — then worry about repairing the damage. If a doctor stood over you trying to figure out a way to stop the bleeding and repair the wound at the same time, you would bleed to death before a solution was determined. Seal the border, then we can deal with the illegals as we see fit, knowing that they won’t simply sneak back across if we choose to deport them.

By Nate

May 21, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

lassiter, you are very right. just look at La Raza, it means ‘the race’, yeah THE race. in the same way someone like the black panthers or the kkk would call themselves, ‘THE race’. you don’t see many Latino women with American guys, why not? because they would catch hell from other Latinos. plus the discriminatory hiring pratices of Latino businesses. we can hire them, but they won’t hire us unless there is just no other way around it. they do not want to be part of the melting pot as they claim, they want another version of Latin America extended into our country. and like I said, when they are getting close to 50% of the population in this country, their whole demeanor will change. the only good that may come out of that will be that this whole white-black thing is going to look as stupid as it really is, when it’s necessary for us to join forces against a common enemy.

By Dissed

May 21, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Let’s see….. we let illegals become “legal” for free to suck off the system to which they have contributed nothing and yet we have to work all our lives to get peanuts in return….if we live long enough….If they want in, let them go home and do it the way “legal” immigrants do. The Republicans are weak, cowards, bankrupt in the arena of ideas…I liked Chambliss, never trusted Isackson, now neither will get my vote…until they get a backbone and act like leaders we elected them to be. Looks more and more like the fat lady is going to win Nov. 08…and she will be singing us to our national grave.

By Steve

May 21, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

When the vast majority of Americans are against amnesty programs and our elected politicians continue to ignore there constituents its time to vote the bums out. Then maybe we will get some true conservatives running for office instead of “Rinos”

By Uncle Sam

May 21, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

remember we needed immigrants to settle this land and to take it form the Indians, much in the same way the Latinos are wanting to do to Americans today. but the land is settled now, we no longer are in need of immigrants. the statue of liberty was one of the biggest jokes ever played on this country and france is still laughing about it. they didn’t want those bums hanging around their country. I mean really, ‘give us your tired your poor your huddle masses’? waht kinda crap is that, no, no, no, give us your decent good hearted, hard working people. the melting pot is full. Latinos need to stay in their own countries and fix the problems they have there.

By lassiter

May 21, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

I speak fluent spanish, for that reason I can read their forums and how they they think, They,(generally) do not like Americans,a hangover from the Mexican American war,this is very true of the Mexicans They think Americans are lazy.They have this crazy idea, fueled by the media, that 80% of Americans want the ilegals to remain in the country, without them the country would collapse ( so they believe)Their arrogance is incredible!

By Katie

May 21, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Chambliss and Isakson better start backpeddling as fast as they can. Those senate seats are going bye bye. All it took was a trip to the Oval Office, and a photo op with Jorge Bush our Mexi-American President. One day they oppose Amnesty, the next day its imperative to legalize 12-20 million illegals.

By the way is it 12 million or is it 20 million? The government can’t even narrow it down to within 10 million one way or the other. How are they going to manage the “path to citizenship and the imbedded ID cards” ad nauseum if they can’t even get an accurate head count. Its not going to happen.

We need to maintain the status quo, secure the border, crack down on employers who hire illegals and let attrition take its course. Of course that would mean enforcing the laws that are already on the books.

By Sad American

May 21, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

The congressmen who vote in favor of and the president who signs a bill into law granting amnesty to illegals should be tried for treason. This is that serious.

We must act now it is almost to late to save our country.

By Nate

May 21, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

exactly, Latinos call us Grueso y perezoso, fat and lazy. I too have been learning spanish, I just love it when they are dissing us and I say ‘que dice?’, they look at me like the dog spoke and then start scattering like cockroaches when light is turned on. to many Americans say, this is my country they need to learn English, true, but that won’t make them do it. sun tzu wrote that it is important to know yourself AND know your enemy and you can’t fight a thousand battles without defeat. at first I didn’t see Latinos as the enemy, but after their marches against the people of this country and reading some of their publications it is quite clear that they would like nothing better than to overtake us, that makes them my enemy by default. and defintely there is a difference in Latinos and the Mexicans are by far the more militant and arrogant Latinos. I like saying ‘con permisso’ in walmart when they are blocking the aisle and have no intentions of moving for some damn gringo, they quickly move aside and the look on their faces is priceless when they see me strolling by, knowing full weel that if they had seen me first, they wouldn’t have moved for me, but would’ve totally ignored me or just looked at me with a look of contempt as they did before.

By Census

May 21, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

the number of illegals in this country has got to be more than 20 million, they have been saying 12 million for almost a year, there has got to be at least 1 million in georgia alone. nad where did they get this 12 million number? like Latinos are actively participating in the census, give me a break. also, one of those hard working Latinos that are just here trying to help our country out of the kindness of their hearts, wrecked into my brother and hospitalized him, and then did a job that Americans don’t want to do, and that is, RUN! it’s all taking and no giving from the Latinos, and when they need to stand up and be held accountable, they run. but somehow they will try to even twist that around and make it our fault. take that tank base in Kansas and put it on the border and let them do their manuevers there, with live ordinance, post signs in spanish and English, and then any selfish idiot that wants to cross the border can take their chances.

By DeAnn

May 21, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

By any other name, a rose is a rose and amnesty is amnesty.

The legislation before the Congress is not needed. We already have laws to deal with this situation. There has been enacted a law to build a border fence — build it. We have laws for dealing with illegal immigrants — enforce them. Only after we take control over this matter can we sit down and logically discuss what reforms the country may need.

Unless we stop the illegal immigration and forget about any type of amnesty, the United States will be destroyed. I finally got this point across to a sleeping co-worker who thinks it is just fine for this illegal alien invasion to continue….

What if you go home from work this evening only to find that an illegal alien has broken into your home and is sitting on your sofa. He demands that you feed, clothe, shelter him and make him a part of your family. Next, he demands that you educate him and provide for all his medical needs. Of course, he reminds you, he will need some pocket money which he demands that you provide. Oh, and last, but not least, you must learn to speak his language and insure that all the service providers that you obtain for him do the same.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

My co-worker exclamed, “I could not afford it!”

EXACTLY. MY POINT. Neither can the US.

Save the United States — close the borders, say NO to amnesty.

By -S-

May 21, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Paul Jacobs: the point of what I wrote (already pretty clear from the look of later comments to everyone but you and a few lingering Liberals here) is that intentional violation of laws is an indication of bad character.

Bad character equals a person unfit for gaining U.S. citizenship.

You can argue degrees of offenses to your sense of what’s acceptable and what isn’t but previously, here, you attempted to argue as to the nature of “crime” associated with illegal immigration.

I.D. forgery, theft, falsifying identity and citizenship for purposes of misleading/defrauding…all these are crimes associated with bad character, just as the other two (random) examples I earlier provided (shoplifting and issuing bad checks).

You attempt to excuse one and then malign the other and from a non-legal expertise position, at that, purely on your own subjective sense of tolerance or intolerance.

Then you malign (also, here, earlier) some woman in Georgia for complaining about downward turns in her nearby retail environments for these very same malignments: increased lowering standards as to what’s acceptable to some and intolerable to others.

I think you’re suffering from moral insecurity. Certainly you have problems with moral absolutes.

The Constitution says that deportation is the penalty for being in our nation illegally. Remaining here illegally or entering illegally and then remaiing here illegally. Deportation.

And that it’s punishable severely to employ an illegal alien.

If you want the actual contexts and quotes, go look them up, but the point I made previously is that knowingly violating and disregarding our laws is an indication of bad character. What specific laws to what degrees are broken isn’t the specific issue as to what I wrote (although certainly to law enforcement), as to this discussion, but AS TO BAD CHARACTER in relationship to anyone applying for legal residency and/or citizenship.

Or being considered for “free” U.s. citizenship such as being granted amnesty.

The current Senate Bill (1348) says that people who have been identified in violating laws AFTER THEY’RE HERE (“additional violations” after illegal presence, so to speak) are subject to deportation, without regard for those already here already in violation of other laws.

Which is utter Liberal madness. Picking and chosing “special” law enforcement and/or reward based upon…what? Skin color? National origin? What?

This entire legislation is moreorless akin to a bunch of drunks deciding which bar booths to make into homesites and which glasses to declare as enemies of the state: utter madness, effete enforcement, irrational terms.

What is odd to my read is why you’re trying quite so intensely to make a disagreement with it into the irrational perspective.

As to your earlier repeat demands here, deportation of illegal aliens is as possible as it is that it’s done. Require five years of ongoing verification of citizenship/residency (no utility bills or forged documents accepted), require everyone to prove their identity (legitimately) and penalize substantially everyone who employs illegal aliens. Make it clear to other nations that they won’t receive “free” healthcare, housing, food or educations in the U.S. unless they’re citizens here, make it know that they’ll be deported if discovered, and people eventually will get the point that they’re wasting their OWN resources to perpetually reappear here illegally.

As long as people mostly in and from Mexico, Central America and China assume there’s no reprimand for illegally arriving and/or remanning here, they’ll eventually look to some other nation or neighborhood to attempt to victimize.

With your Liberal inability to focus, you’re certainly doing your best to assist those who do violate our laws.

By You can't handle the truth

May 21, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

You “conservatives” make me ill.All of these rantings are just a lot of hot air. You’re all a bunch of hypocrites and you just won’t face up to it. Anybody with the common sense of a tub of bait can see that Johnny Issakson and Saxby Chambliss are a couple of blow dried phonies.But they are smart enough to know that this will all blow over before the next election or, if not, they will trot out some side issue (Hollywood,Rap Music,Hillary Clinton -whatever) to get you hillbillies all riled up and you will forget all about this and send them back there to do it to you again.When are you people going to wake up from your coma and start pulling the lever for the challenger (it doesn’t have to be from the other party anyway) and send these people home to eat what they have cooked ? They aren’t running scared because they know that you only pay attention for about 3 weeks before the election when they can bamboozle you with smoke and BS. They can stand in front of an American flag (on TV) and you think they are the greatest thing since George Washington.The problem is not “Saxby Chambliss’ or “Johnny Isaakson” The problem is YOU.

By -S-

May 21, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

And, Paul Jacobs, the U.S. Constitution trumps USAToday.

About this part that you wrote: [QUOTE BEGINS] …if illegal presence is only a civil infraction, similar to that of a speeding ticket…then an appropriate and adequate measure, such as a fine, inflicts the punitive means necessary to “get right with the law” as the president puts it.

Do we inflict extreme or harsh punishments on those who commit minor, civil infractions like jaywalking? I don’t think so! [END QUOTE]

It’s not the nature of the “INFRACTION” but of the bad character that is revealed in the act of illegal immigration and/or illegal presence here (including the myriad of crimes that are necessary to support that illegal presence after entry).

And, as to jaywalking, that can send a person to prison in CA if it’s a part of a criminal record. It may seem “harmless” to you or minor or whatever as to what you are willing to tolerate in the society in which you live, but, go ahead, get a ticket and then go before a court and say it’s “harmless” and foolish and all that. See what the judge says in response.

My remarks are as to CHARACTER. I don’t care what USAToday writes. I’m sure I could dig up enough inaccuracies in their content over time to call into question their veracity.

The Constitution is the main issue here and also that Congress is not enforcing existing laws, such that they’re attempting to enact more laws to avoid enforcing existing ones. And to service whom? Certainly not the citizens of the U.S. And why is that…

By TruethSlayer

May 21, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

This is no more then a bunch of BS from the useless and corrupt federal government. Did you know that in Europe they have had machines picking up all their vegatables and fruits for the last 10 years. The reason is because they do not have a large illegal immigrant source of slave labor like we do here. The agriculture interests are not what is in America interests. The Federal Government purposesly misleads the public on this issue because they want to prop up the Mexican Government and relieve there internal political pressure to change.

By plowboy

May 21, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

We are not going to get any satisfaction out of Washington. Our local law officiers ought to stop harrassing people for minor infractions and start seaking out and arresting illegals and the folks who employ them. If locals laws do not provide the authority to do so, then change the laws! Look around you…do you patonize restaurants and businesses that employ illegals?

By D

May 21, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

people have to stop being republicans and democrats, this is used to separate us, divide us, get us to fight amongst ourselves and even defend those corrupt politicans so we don’t look like we’re an idiot supporting the wrong party when the politicians screw things up again. they have us worrying about stupid crap, like terri schiavo, gay marriage, flag burning(by the way, burning a flag is the proper way to dispose of it) and the ten commandments in federal buildings. this takes our eyes of the important things like gas prices, alternative fuel sources, immigration and this stupid war. religion is also used to keep us from focusing and holding our elected officials accountable. go worship how ever you want to, just keep religion out of our government, religion is being used to manipulate and control us and as a distraction. why no religion in government? well, just take a long look at the catholic church of the middle ages and look at the countries of the middle east whose goverments are controlled by religion. remember, there really is something to this science thing, people don’t create science, they just discover what is already there. then they say, we need the 10 commandments in our courthouse because that’s what our laws are based on, like the greeks and the eqyptians and all those other people long before there was a Jesus, didn’t believe that rape and murder and stealing was wrong. we need to stop being distracted by the bs and we need to stop make everyone in this country think one way because that’s not freedom. and if someone is always boasting about being a great patriot or a great christian, they probably are truly neither, but are just using those things as a smokescreen, right George?!

By Yes, -S-

May 21, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

yes, -S-, some of the 911 hijackers had false ID’s obtain from none other than the people who have become pros at it, a Latino in New Jersey was arrested for that offense, clearly proving their allegiance is not with us.

By -S-

May 21, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

I made a typo in this earlier, it should have read this way:

As long as people mostly in and from Mexico, Central America and China assume there’s no reprimand for illegally arriving and/or remaining here, they’ll continue to illegally enter and remain in the U.S. Once they get the point that they’ll suffer very stern penalties for doing so, they’ll eventually look to some other nation or neighborhood to attempt to victimize.

By -S-

May 21, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

To: “You can’t handle the truth”:

By your reasoning, then, the U.S. sure does have a lot of “hillbillies” nationwide. We’re everywhere, all of us “hillbillies” who oppose illegal aliens and illegal immigration and the multitude of criminal/ethical violations that accompany those.

And, to be a “hillbillie” isn’t a bad thing to most of us. In fact, thankyew.

By JDW

May 21, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Not that I have any love lost for Saxby, but you people are doing a bang up job of validating his statement that crowd’s reaction was a lack of popular understanding of the shape of the current immigration system. First off to -S- and all of those who like to wrap themselves in the cloak of The Constitution when it is convenient, immigration laws are not a part of The Constitution. They are the providence of Congress, least you forget the Framers of the Constitution did not pay attention to the laws prior to setting in America. Second, to DeAnn with your laughable analogy comparing illegal immigration and breaking and entering, you forgot to mention that the illegal aliens also make the beds, cook the dinners, care for the children of the house, do all the landscaping, in fact most likely built the house, collect the garbage, and many other assorted tasks that native labor will not perform. If you ask them to leave you will quickly feel the pinch in your pocketbook and I am sure you will be one of those yammering for the heads of the crazy politicians that tossed out our supply of cheap labor. Fact is we are as much addicted to that cheap labor as we are to Arabian oil so unless you are willing to drastically change your lifestyle you should hope that our erstwhile elected representatives craft and enact a law that makes sense rather than most of the trash I see espoused here.

By JE

May 21, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Looking purely at political strategy…this is an unbelievable gaffe by the Republicans. First…they give the impression of “working together” with the neo-Marxist liberals (Kennedy). Then, they talk down to constituents in a partisan audience, claiming “You don’t know what this is about”. McCain…you may as well pull out of the race now!

If this bill makes it to the President and is signed…it’s 12.5 million gaining immediate amnesty & access to our services. That’s 100% inexcusable! No explanation necessary!

Put it this way…if there’s a serious leak in your house, you shut off the water, find the leak and stop it. Build the !@#$% border fence FIRST, otherwise you have ZERO chance in 2008 elections, Dem’s and Repub’s!

By D

May 21, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

S, you might be on to something, because the first thing a bad person will do to someone who is making a stand in the name of fairness, what’s right, or a just cause, the first thing they will do is start with the name calling, hillbillie,liberal,racist…just remember, Jesus was called a lot of names by the corrupt, the selfish, the evil, and so was MLK and so was Ghandi, the more they stick to childish name-calling, the more right you probably are.

By Tebs

May 21, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

“Tom Jeff,” is it? First of all, pick ONE :-)

Secondly, your argument is stupid and irrelevant and rambling - I never brought up religion or the like. Just because you’re a democrat, don’t be rude and hateful. You’re like the guy who won’t pledge allegiance to the flag because you don’t like the person who sewed it together.

I’m loyal to my country, and the president in charge. I’ll bet you couldn’t handle the job… shoot man, you can’t even focus. Now, what WERE we talking about…? oh yes, immigration, amnesty, our politians not listening or acting on behalf of America’s best interest. Your anger could be much better used in the fight against illegal immigration, not me, the True American!!! LOL. Dude, chill.

By Nate

May 21, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

JDW- we had all the services taken care of before we had this burden of so many illegal immigrants. and where was our rebate check from big business when they started using this cheap labor? where was the big fall in prices that equaled the drop in the labor cost to these companies? and why is my cleaning company, yeah, that’s right, my cleaning company, a job that I want to do that all these idiots keep telling me I don’t want to do, why is my cleaning company not subsidized by my government? why can I not get the same benefits illegals can receive from my government, even though I am a honorably discharged veteran? why don’t latino businesses fairly hire Americans instead of just latinos? and don’t latinos eat vegetables and fruit, don’t latinos live in houses? of course we need latinos now, to support the 20 million plus latinos we now have here! they need to be at home, holding their own governements feet to fire, corrected the problems there that have created so many problems here.

By Tom Jeff

May 21, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

tebs, you’re an idiot in the mold of george bush, so quickly calling me a democrat because I don’t agree with you like a robot. I don’t like politicians and think to belive in politicians is like believing in the tooth fairy. I too have served my country with honor and distinction, bet the only thing you ever did for your country was put an American flag or yellow ribbon sticker on your car. and I am totally against illegal immigration, I love Jesus and God, but don’t care for religion.and believe me, if George can do it, I know I can. and just because some guy gets elected by a bunch of fools that were duped, doesn’t mean I’m supposed to support him, that’s kinda what America used to be all about. and the Tom Jeff thing, better explain it to ya, little joke playing up one of my favorite people, Thomas Jefferson. and you are clasic point I’ve made, if I wanted to identify an idiot and someone that blindly helps destroy this country, I ask them if they voted for George Bush in 2004, if they say yes, they’re an idiot, because you can be fooled once like in 2000, but to do it twice that’s a dee-dee-dee!

By Tom Jeff

May 21, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

well, Tebs, guess I’ll go have a beer, don’t worry it’s not Sunday you don’t have to try and stop me. besides matching wits with you just isn’t a fair fight, I could totally out-debate your kind with one lobe tied behind my back, because all you would do is spout out the usual stuff that your minders have indoctrinated you to say. keep waving your flag and telling everybody how great an American you are as you help to dig the hole we’re in a little deeper by supporting people that say they are against illegal immigration as they do everything they can to support big business’ hiring of them. dee-dee-dee!

By Eduardo

May 21, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

I can’t possibly take the time to read most of the uninformed (and many inane) comments on both sides of the issue that have been posted. As a conservative Republican and 1st generation Hispanic I can relate to these issues very well. My parents came from Spain LEGALLY in the 60s. One became a naturalized citizen the other did not. They, like the millions of immigrants that came to this country before them, worked hard, raised their children to be good Americans, paid their taxes and lived well in their adopted country.

What is often surprising to me is that most of the people ranting against immigration are sons/daughters of immigrants somewhere up the family tree (and typically not too far up that tree). It is what has made America what it is. People who are willing to take a chance, leave everything they know behind and make a new life. The immigration issue is sooo complex that no one could possible begin to address it properly in this forum. What does seem rather obvious to me is that most people are very poorly informed on the issue but either don’t know they don’t know, or are intellectually dishonest in communicating their ill-informed opinions. And just because you’re entitled to your opinion it certainly does not mean that your opinion makes any sense whatsoever or has any basis in fact (that is painfully obvious by reading just a few of the postings here). The exact language of the bill hasn’t even been released and until such time most commentary should be reserved. Until then, people are merely spouting either rhetoric, politically motivated rantings or haven’t really thought the issue through.

In addition to being the son of immigrants, I also employ several (all working here legally with visas in case you’re wondering) and my advertising agency specializes in developing advertising to U.S. Hispanics (mostly for Fortune 500 companies and GA state agencies). Do you think I stay on top of and stay informed about the immigration issue and hear about it from all angles and sides? You better believe it and I’d take on anyone in a civil discussion of the matter.

What’s my take? Illegal immigration is “illegal” and should be controlled. However our current immigration system is HORRIBLY outdated and broken. Is immigrant labor needed here? Definitely. Can you deport 12 million+ people? Absolutely not. And if you could and did, it would completely ruin our economy. Almost immediately. Should the border be secured? Absolutely and the bill proposed calls for that. So all of you decrying the end of our country/jobs/Republican party, etc. - relax, be rational, study and actually understand the matter instead of believing everything your hear and read in the mainstream press.

By Sam

May 21, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

The key word is “illegal” here. My family also imigrated to this country, but they imigrated LEGALLY. They also wanted to become US citizens. I haven’t heard any of the illegals protesting say they even want to be citizens.

By D

May 21, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Eduardo makes some good points and our government and our apathy has gotten into this messy situation. this will require a compromise, a middle ground, which means that both sides will have to give and give more than they want to so as to reach an agreement, an agreement that begins organized and sensible control of our immigration. some of the illegals here are just gonna have to stay, to think we are going to send people home or ask them to go home voluntarily, I just don’t see it happening. we need to contol our borders and ports for simple security reasons, we have to know who’s here. but let’s all look at reality too, this is not the America of the 1800’s, we no longer need immigration, we can support our economic system with the people we have in this country right now, today. and we are plenty diverse, no real need to be the melting pot more than we already are. slow thoughtful fair immigration is what we need, starting with control of the border and finding out who is here now, and making it where everybody in this country plays by the same set of rules, is eligible to receive the same benefits and pays the same into the system. ellis island, statue of liberty, melting pot, times have changed as history will do. we can’t live by all of the rules of the past. but we have to start doing something concrete today. and nobody is going to be completely happy with what our government comes up with, but we definitely have to start doing something today, and compromise is the only way, otherwise, if we don’t try to work towards a middle ground, it seems we will just be eventually taken over by a new wave of immigrants that don’t seem to want to be Americans as much as they seem to just want to slowly push their borders northwards.

By Texas Reader

May 21, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

We’ve lost Texas and California, I mean Mexi-fornia. The rest of you should try and save yourselves if you can. Deport, deport, deport — nothing less. Change the 14th Amendment so persons born here of parents here illegally clearly do not get birthright U.S. citizenship. The government can lie all it wants to but this is amnesty — amnesty to those here illegally. I’m a conservative but I don’t see anyone I’ll vote for. Maybe we need 4 years of Democrat control so a purge can be set up a la Reagan and Carter. I never thought we as a country could have lost our way so much as this.

Just enforce the current laws. Please, just enforce them.

By Republican Truth

May 21, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Chambliss is a traitor and should be immediately thrown into jail or have his US citizenship revoked. If he’s so concerned about the plight of criminals (illegal aliens are criminals, face the truth) then he’s free to join them in Mexico. Adios, Saxby.

By LadyM

May 21, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

Your Senator calls us stupid, Graham calls the people of SC “Bigots”, we just can’t seem to win. We were supposedly smart enough to vote them into office, but now we’re not smart enough to know a bad Bill when we see one. This Bill is just a repeat of the 1986 Amnesty, again by Kennedy, that will not secure our Borders and will not stop Illegal Immigration. The only thing that will stop Illegal Immigration is to start hitting the businesses that hire Illegal’s in the pocketbook. Fines should be big and often, no more excuses. When these people no longer have work here, they’ll go home on their own. Then we can lock the door behind them!

By Me

May 21, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

This bill is just another amnesty program. You think the flood gates opened in 1986 you ain’t seen nothing yet. The people who are gonna be truly hurt by this are the working people at the bottom of the spectrum. Their wages will be held down by the downward pressure of cheap labor. Democrats, Republicans in Congress, they’re all rich. Gotta protect that source of cheap labor.

By Rich from IL

May 21, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this

Those folks who worry about a crash in our economy should consider that all of the people who are employed to cater to the illegals in our schools, social services, etc. will have the opportunity to fill the new jobs opening up at border security, enforcement, etc. and still have the option to supplement their income at service jobs if they need or choose to do so. What’s the problem ???

By Rich from IL

May 21, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

P.S. We should also adopt a new name for “illegal aliens” who’ve become “undocumented immigrants” to “UNLAWFUL immigrants”. In your face leftie idiots !

By T.J.

May 21, 2007 7:54 PM | Link to this

Have any of you people even lived in Georgia? The only Democrat who conceivably could defeat Saxby is Zell. Sweet dreams.

By D

May 21, 2007 8:22 PM | Link to this

stay focused, this is not a left-right issue. the Democrats want to go as far as to help every bleeding heart and want the illegal immigrants for many other reasons too, so do the Republicans who strongly support big business who are the ones that are truly driving most of this, also Republicans want Latinos because they are mostly people of faith, many Catholic, and they are generally against abortion. both sides screwing us, and blaming each other, and calling each other names and getting us to fight amongst ourselves so that things can keep going on as usual in Washington. not a left-right issue, but that is the problem, forget about political parties and just try to get the best candidate available elected. we will probably only be taken seriously when we can organize large peaceful demonstrations in favor of border, port and immigration control. protests that at least match the Latino’s anti-American marches. stop letting politicians divide us over stupid crap and try, if somebody wants to be different and they aren’t hurting anybody, leave ‘em alone, that’s freedom, screw political bias! keep your eyes on the prize, it’s America that we want to save. slow, fair, organized and thoughtful immigration. we don’t have any where else to put another state, so there is no need for rapid immigration of any kind or for any reason. I can make my own bed and I’ll even clean my own toilet, Yo No Estoy El Gringo de Gordo y Perezoso!

By Josh

May 21, 2007 10:21 PM | Link to this

Great points D. Write your congressmen and senators and let them have what for. I’m tired of being treated as a second class citizen to non-citizens by our government. We need new blood, I’m getting tired of the Good ‘Ole Pussies and the Do Nothing Communists.

By bo

May 21, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Yo No Estoy El Gringo de Gordo y Perezoso!

no amnesty vote out the liars

By bo

May 21, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Yo No Estoy El Gringo de Gordo y Perezoso!

no amnesty vote out the liars

By lucky

May 21, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this

Who is this new group: Georga Employers for Immigration Reform? They must have paid off Chambliss and Isakson handsomely.

Their $$$ should be for naught, both traitors need to be sent home for good in the next elective process.

We need honesty in government - vote for Tom Tancredo to save our country and its sovereignty.

By Craig

May 21, 2007 11:34 PM | Link to this

I sure don’t know the solution to the problem… but something has to be done.

I see that the “deport them all” sentiment is pretty strong here. I wonder though how you will feel when you have to pay $10 per pound for chicken, because there are no more Mexicans in Hall County. And your Vidalia onions are a couple dollars a piece. And your homeowners association dues double or triple because it costs so much more to hire someone to spread pine straw.

I don’t know the answer, but you might want to be careful what you ask for.

By American on Buford Hwy

May 21, 2007 11:35 PM | Link to this

it’s time to knock off the chit chat and take our country back.

By American on Buford Hwy

May 21, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

it’s time to knock off the chit chat and take our country back.

By American on Buford Hwy

May 21, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

it’s time to knock off the chit chat and take our country back.

By PD

May 22, 2007 1:32 AM | Link to this

I want to chime in real short and sweet. You all have points but actually there is only one real solution. This isn’t OUR problem.

If our government wants to help all these people instead of allowing US business exploit them..

They need to go to the UN and seek sanctions against the Mexican Government for creating conditions so inhumane for the people of Mexico that they feel forced to seek welfare in another country.

Mexico is failing to provide its countrymen and worst they encourage them to cross the desert to get here, if you make it don’t forget to send the check!

So who is kiding who..If US officials believed half of the Script they have been handed and spouted all day They are aiding a corrupt government, not the poor Mexican.

90 % don’t want to be US citizens. why would they being a citizen you give up allot of the shadow they enjoy and if Legal ever heard of under the table.

Patricia

By zeke

May 22, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

Deport all illegals! Now! It can be and should be done! Drastically increase the border agents, the INS agents by 10 times or more! Build a fence, a wall or a crocodile infested waterway or any other barrier to prevent illegals from sneaking into the country! This includes the Canadian border! Once all are out of the US, have passed a criminal and health check, if verified jobs are available, then, allow work visas for a period of 3 to 5 years. Require that as the visas expire, they have to return to their home countries and apply to renew the visa. Children born here to illegals must be stripped of citizenship because they were born here illegally! No children born to those with work visas should be seen as citizens! No citizenship naturalizations except by getting “in line” behind the others already doing it the legal way. We must limit the numbers of new immigrants and new citizens to no more than 500,000 per year from various countries including Europeans, not excluding them! THEN REQUIRE ALL THOSE ABLE TO WORK THAT RECEIVE WELFARE OR ANY TAXPAYER FUNDED SUBSIDY FROM THE FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY OR CITY GOVERNMENTS TO WORK AT WHATEVER JOBS ARE AVAILABLE OR NEEDED TO RECEIVE THOSE PAYMENTS!!! That will solve a lot of problems!!!

By Tim

May 22, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

A Policeman was murdered last night in Wisconson by an ILLEGAL immigrant. You Sen. Saxby Chambliss along with many other Senators are directly responsible for allowing these criminals to roam free in our society and prey on our families, friends and neighbors. If there is one, may you and the rest of the corrupt filth in Washington rot in hell!

By PMatlanta

May 22, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

YOU FOLKS REALLY THINK THESE PEASANTS ARE GOING TO PAY 5 GRAND!!!!!!!!! GET A GREEN CARD, PAY TAXES ETC…. HAVE THE LAW MAKERS EVEN SPOKE WITH THE COMMON ILLEGAL ALIEN? HOW ABOUT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER WHO HAS A 15 YEAR OLD STUDENT WHO CAN’T SPELL ALGEBRA MUCH LESS SOLVE IT! OH, MAYBE THEY CAN GET THIER UNEDUCATED PARENTS TO HELP THEM WITH THE HOMEWORK! WHAT A JOKE THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME!!!!!!!!

By Janie

May 22, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

This is America. The land of the free and great opportunity. EXCEPT if you are an American. We do need new immigration laws. We make it too easy for people to come into our country. That is how we got caught with our pants down on 9-11. People want to come to America because it is truly the land of the free..Free food stamps, free medical care, free housing and in many cases we will set them up in a business (for free) and not make them pay taxes for years. I haven’t seen an American taxi driver in years. Not to mention almost every convenience store is now owned by foreigners. We are slowly being pushed out of our own country.
They want to be here fine. Make them all become citizens, they HAVE learn to speak english, they will have to file and pay taxes. It is no wonder OUR country is in financial trouble and our unemployment is way up. Saying our economy is bad is an understatement. Ever go by the post office on pay day to see all those that do work sending their money back home. We also need to look at WHY they are here. Why IS THEIR country so poor, why is there no jobs in THEIR country, why do they not have medical and financial help for the poor in THEIR country? Some businesses want illegals here because they can pay them 1/2 the wages of an American. They can get by on that since they get food stamps, welfare, medical care and are tax free. An American has to pay taxes and provide for his family so he can not work for minimum (or below) wages. Medicaid does not want to pay anything for an elderly American citizen in a nursing home but, it will pay for an illegal to have a child. Something is seriously wrong with this picture of OUR country. Don’t even say it would cost us more for some things if we didn’t have the immigrants. It would mean businesses would have to pay a decent wage to an American who pays taxes and has a family to support. I can remember paying 25 cents for a gallon of gas and I could buy a week worth of groceries for 3 for $25.00. Now I pay $3.19 a gallon and it cost $100.00+ to feed 2. Since we have the illegals problem right now who do we blame this on? Yep, prices may go up but, they are going to do that anyway. Yes, we need serious reforms to the illegal immigrant problems. We can start by sending them all home, make them apply for visas’ to work here, make them pay taxes on the money they earn, stop giving them benefits OUR tax dollars pay for, and for Americas’ sake stop PAYING for them to have babies here. If they want to be here and they are 18-25 make them enlist in the military (they love this country so much let them fight for it like OUR children have to). This should help clear up any immigration and economy problems we have.
From all the posts I have read the majority of Americans feel like so why are our ELECTED officials not doing anything to help correct the problem? We need to take OUR country back.

By Janie

May 22, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

This is America. The land of the free and great opportunity. EXCEPT if you are an American. We do need new immigration laws. We make it too easy for people to come into our country. That is how we got caught with our pants down on 9-11. People want to come to America because it is truly the land of the free..Free food stamps, free medical care, free housing and in many cases we will set them up in a business (for free) and not make them pay taxes for years. I haven’t seen an American taxi driver in years. Not to mention almost every convenience store is now owned by foreigners. We are slowly being pushed out of our own country.
They want to be here fine. Make them all become citizens, they HAVE learn to speak english, they will have to file and pay taxes. It is no wonder OUR country is in financial trouble and our unemployment is way up. Saying our economy is bad is an understatement. Ever go by the post office on pay day to see all those that do work sending their money back home. We also need to look at WHY they are here. Why IS THEIR country so poor, why is there no jobs in THEIR country, why do they not have medical and financial help for the poor in THEIR country? Some businesses want illegals here because they can pay them 1/2 the wages of an American. They can get by on that since they get food stamps, welfare, medical care and are tax free. An American has to pay taxes and provide for his family so he can not work for minimum (or below) wages. Medicaid does not want to pay anything for an elderly American citizen in a nursing home but, it will pay for an illegal to have a child. Something is seriously wrong with this picture of OUR country. Don’t even say it would cost us more for some things if we didn’t have the immigrants. It would mean businesses would have to pay a decent wage to an American who pays taxes and has a family to support. I can remember paying 25 cents for a gallon of gas and I could buy a week worth of groceries for 3 for $25.00. Now I pay $3.19 a gallon and it cost $100.00+ to feed 2. Since we have the illegals problem right now who do we blame this on? Yep, prices may go up but, they are going to do that anyway. Yes, we need serious reforms to the illegal immigrant problems. We can start by sending them all home, make them apply for visas’ to work here, make them pay taxes on the money they earn, stop giving them benefits OUR tax dollars pay for, and for Americas’ sake stop PAYING for them to have babies here. If they want to be here and they are 18-25 make them enlist in the military (they love this country so much let them fight for it like OUR children have to). This should help clear up any immigration and economy problems we have.
From all the posts I have read the majority of Americans feel like so why are our ELECTED officials not doing anything to help correct the problem? We need to take OUR country back.

By Maria

May 22, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Long but interesting (Example of cost of illegal immigrants. I have sent and called local and national leaders: please do the same. Enough is enough, we must cut aid and they will stop. No attending school, no free health care, etc…

(When you get to 4th paragraph it tells the real story)

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas , Texas is a fairly famous institution and for a variety of reasons:

“On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity ward
in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year. (That’s almost 44 per day—-every day)

A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave birth
at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal immigrants.That’s 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas . According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering 15,938 babies in 2004 but
managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5 million.

The average patient in Parkland ‘s maternity wards is 25 years old, married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their immigration
status or ability to pay.

OK, fine. That doesn’t mean they should receive better care than everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital , they do.

” Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child—-her previous two were also born at Parkland . Her first two deliveries were free and the Mexican
native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in Mexico . This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she could come up with the money. Not that it matters,
the hospital won’t turn her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)

“How long has this been going on? What are the long-term affects?

Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly
after her mother entered the U.S. illegally—-now she is having her own child there as well. (That’s right, she’s technically a U.S. citizen.) These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition, birthing classes and
child care classes. They also get freebies such as car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost
insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide any sort of legitimate identification—-no proof of income. An American citizen would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their annual
income—-an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.

“My husband is a pilot for the United States Navy (yes, he fought in Iraq ) and while the health care is good, we Navy wives don’t get any of these perks! Car seats? Diapers? Not so much. So my question is this: Does our public medical care system treat illegal immigrants better than American citizens? Yes it
does!

As I mentioned, the care I have received is perfectly adequate but it’s bare bones, meat and potato medical care—-not top of line.

Their (the illegals) medical care is free—-simply because they are illegal
immigrants? Once again, there is no way to verify their income.

Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not refuse
health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the ‘free’ care is not so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free
treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County So the hospital is going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But U.S citizens who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn’t annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to translate comments
from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband. The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was apparently a great injustice to
her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas Southwestern for
which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural)
requirement.

In the meantime, I have to end my column here. I have to go buy a car seat.”

(Sorry for the length, but this needs wide circulation——particularly to our “employees” in Congress.)
PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY US CITIZEN YOU KNOW.

By Maria

May 22, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Long but interesting

Don’t ya just love it?

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas , Texas is a fairly famous institution and for a variety of reasons:

“On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity ward
in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year. (That’s almost 44 per day—-every day)

A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave birth
at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal immigrants.That’s 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas . According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering 15,938 babies in 2004 but
managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5 million.

The average patient in Parkland ‘s maternity wards is 25 years old, married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their immigration
status or ability to pay.

OK, fine. That doesn’t mean they should receive better care than everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital , they do.

” Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child—-her previous two were also born at Parkland . Her first two deliveries were free and the Mexican
native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in Mexico . This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she could come up with the money. Not that it matters,
the hospital won’t turn her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)

“How long has this been going on? What are the long-term affects?

Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly
after her mother entered the U.S. illegally—-now she is having her own child there as well. (That’s right, she’s technically a U.S. citizen.) These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition, birthing classes and
child care classes. They also get freebies such as car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost
insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide any sort of legitimate identification—-no proof of income. An American citizen would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their annual
income—-an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.

“My husband is a pilot for the United States Navy (yes, he fought in Iraq ) and while the health care is good, we Navy wives don’t get any of these perks! Car seats? Diapers? Not so much. So my question is this: Does our public medical care system treat illegal immigrants better than American citizens? Yes it
does!

As I mentioned, the care I have received is perfectly adequate but it’s bare bones, meat and potato medical care—-not top of line.

Their (the illegals) medical care is free—-simply because they are illegal
immigrants? Once again, there is no way to verify their income.

Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not refuse
health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the ‘free’ care is not so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free
treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County So the hospital is going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But U.S citizens who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn’t annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to translate comments
from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband. The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was apparently a great injustice to
her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas Southwestern for
which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural)
requirement.

In the meantime, I have to end my column here. I have to go buy a car seat.”

(Sorry for the length, but this needs wide circulation——particularly to our “employees” in Congress.)
PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY US CITIZEN YOU KNOW.

By Barry

May 22, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Hey Y’all:

Eduardo, you have lost your mind. You see that is the problem. America have let you and parents enter our country legally. You have gained legal stsus, went to college, worked hard to be an American, but the down side of that is that you have now become an advocate of the Spanish speaking illegals who are ethnically just like you. Bottom line, they are illegal aliens. These people have no regard for our laws only a job and a paycheck. I say, like another blogger, let them join the military and show there loyalty to this country on the battlfiels first, if they want to become an American citizens like our forefathers did. Illegal they are reaping the benefita from our country and taxpayers that our forefathers fought for. Wars like World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War, and the current war we are fighting in Iraq. We lives have the gave to this country and its people? Nothing. It appears these illegals have a “Slick Willy get over on the American system mentality. Now we have our silly, stupid politicians, who have been bought by big business for cheap labor, to legalize the illegals. This will allow them to get additional benefits where even the Afican American slaves did not recieve, and they helped build and fight in wars in this country. Something is not right with this picture. And this is not just with slavery but with other nationalities who came here legally and fought for this country and are now citizens. Many of these illegals send there monies back home not in the United States. Therefore this situation has made us hostage to illegal immigrants. If Bush says we will not negotiate with “terrorist” then I say “we will not negtiate with illegals immigrants”. There actions are a form of “subtle terrorism” against America and its citizens. Again, I say to those politicians who vote for this legislation, we must look art them as terrorist too. We must not negotiate with them at the polls come election time. We must remove every last one of them. For the sake of America, its laws, and primarily its citizenry.

God Bless America.

Barry

By Barry

May 22, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Hey Y’all:

Eduardo, you have lost your mind. You see that is the problem. America have let you and parents enter our country legally. You have gained legal stsus, went to college, worked hard to be an American, but the down side of that is that you have now become an advocate of the Spanish speaking illegals who are ethnically just like you. Bottom line, they are illegal aliens. These people have no regard for our laws only a job and a paycheck. I say, like another blogger, let them join the military and show there loyalty to this country on the battlfiels first, if they want to become an American citizens like our forefathers did. Illegal they are reaping the benefita from our country and taxpayers that our forefathers fought for. Wars like World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War, and the current war we are fighting in Iraq. We lives have the gave to this country and its people? Nothing. It appears these illegals have a “Slick Willy get over on the American system mentality. Now we have our silly, stupid politicians, who have been bought by big business for cheap labor, to legalize the illegals. This will allow them to get additional benefits where even the Afican American slaves did not recieve, and they helped build and fight in wars in this country. Something is not right with this picture. And this is not just with slavery but with other nationalities who came here legally and fought for this country and are now citizens. Many of these illegals send there monies back home not in the United States. Therefore this situation has made us hostage to illegal immigrants. If Bush says we will not negotiate with “terrorist” then I say “we will not negtiate with illegals immigrants”. There actions are a form of “subtle terrorism” against America and its citizens. Again, I say to those politicians who vote for this legislation, we must look at them as terrorist too. We must not negotiate with them at the polls come election time. We must remove every last one of them. For the sake of America, its laws, and primarily its citizenry.

God Bless America.

Barry

By Corn Stoves

May 22, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

http://www.grassfire.org/42/immigrationbill.pdf Read it before passing judgement. 1. National ID called EEVS 2. No border enforcement along the border. Restrictions apply only at “Authorized Entry Points” 3. Federal grants for alien education, alien medical, Federal grants to alien Islamic terrorist harbored by “Islamic institutions” 4. Unified North American Continent with Federal grants to build international “port” highways penetrating 100 miles beyond borders. Referenced as added “ports of entry” The ten lane “Cargo Only” highway basically follows the Mississippi River through Memphis, Chicago, Texas, into Mexico, into Canada. Free passage of aliens with limited citizens allowed on the “port” highway 5. EEVS allows alien workers to vote but does not allow entry into the voting polls for retired “non-working” old white men

By LJ

May 22, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Bugger wrote: “But because non-terrorist people from our own hemisphere, who love America are here illegally, the reactionary, facist Republican faithful want a boondoggle wall and to send them all back … because many of them are brown, I might add.”

So tell me Bugger, do these same “non-terrorist people from our own hemisphere, who love America…” understand the full impact of flying OUR flag UPSIDEDOWN under THEIR MEXICAN flag????? And please…just kick the overly used “race card” back into the dust.

Any person in any country can tell you that flying their flag UPSIDEDOWN…not to mention UNDER ANOTHER COUNTRY’S FLAG…is NOT sending a positive, “I want to belong to this wonderful Country. I LOVE this Country and want to belong!” message. And just how many other countries would ever tolerate such actions from their own citizens…let alone a mob of illegals……….

Not to mention the ever increasing disdain to learn English. Oh no…the very companies who supply our food and supplies are quickly changing that. It’s a wonderful thing to go to Wally World and find a section of items with nothing but Spanish on the labels.

No, there are no politicians or companies who desire to make things work the way they should.

These people are not stupid. You can figure out who the stupid fools are.

By LJ

May 22, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Joseph Pace…”Most illegals do not do farm work but construction and other work that pays over eleven dollars an hour.”

True, true and perhaps we should start asking why it has been found that one out of five homes built today have a major construction fault. If you hire your labor off the street and don’t ask questions. I like the idea of construction companies AND workers having to be licensed. But then we will find many with fake i.d.’s. Nothing new.

For those of you who actually believe that no American will take a low-paying job. I would happily introduce you to my nephew who doesn’t make more than $5.15/hour. Too bad he doesn’t sport a darker hue and speak Spanish fluently.

My cudos to those who were raised by immigrant parents who taught them their own language and yet insisted that they SPEAK ONLY ENGLISH outside their home.

Certainly makes sense to me. How far would any of us get (or anyone) if they went to another country legally or otherwise…and started demanding the citizens in that country learn their language instead of the other way around.

I love the arrogant smirks the illegals have on their faces now. THEY know whose side the “politicians” are on and you can bet it isn’t the American citizen’s.

How totally disheartening.

By LJ

May 22, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Jose…”How typically arrogant of elite politicians when they so easily dismiss citizen opposition as simply lacking the knowledge to think and decide for themselves on the issue.”

But Jose, apparently they are right. Well no, that’s not correct. The elite politicians understand that the American people are too weak and lazy to think and decide for themselves on any issue. I wonder how our beloved America compares to the once great Roman and Greek Empires at this very stage of their existence.

We could all learn something from history. Well, unless that history is the “remix” the kids are being taught today.