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By mtgalisa

March 9, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Will some on please take the drugs out of that man’s hand. That is insanity.

By Keith

March 9, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Man! That’s Stupid On Steroids!

Wait, I forgot that our armed forces are automatically assigned a percentage of our youth. I was thinking they competed with the private sector and engaging in stupid wars was working against recruitment.

By Joe D.

March 9, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

This is a perfect statement by someone who has long since lost relevance with the majority of Americans that are caring, compassionate citizens. This kind of rhetoric is best suited for the Limbaughs, Coulters and their ilk.

By KR

March 9, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

“If those 45 million children had lived, today they would be defending our country, they would be filling our jobs, they would be paying into Social Security,” the former Georgia governor said. - Zell Miller

Or they might be on welfare, pulling out more resources and being a bigger drain on society than the Iraq war.

Plus, exactly which jobs would they be filling? The ones that were sent overseas in the interest of corporate efficiency?

Miller long ago lost any ability to be rational; please don’t give him any more air time.

By Annoyed with Politicians

March 9, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

You have got to be kidding me!! Our country is suffering because we let women have abortions. How about the fact that Congress and the government don’t care about the soliders, can you say Walter Reed. The government has short changed our military personal for years! My father served this country for 25 years, and I have had to deal with military doctors. They don’t know anything. “How can an nation under God allow this?” What about in India where they allow girl babies to be drowned? What about in China where you can only have one child? This is ridiculous! This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, yes we are not liked in the world right now, but for goodness sakes we should be allowed to have the choice to do what we like to our bodies without the government critizing our every move. As for the immigration issues, that has nothing to do with abortion.

Zen, I understand that you are a war veteran, and I thank you for your service. However, you really need to get with the issues and quit making excuses about Social Security. Fact is that Social Security is just not going to survive. Do something about it!

By Annoyed with Politicians

March 9, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

I apologize…I ment Zell.

By catlady

March 9, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Without those abortions, there would have been more folks in jail, dropping out, having illegitate babies, and on welfare, since unwanted children=adults with problems, many times. I’d LOVE to hear how abortions cause illegal immigration….

By Kathleen

March 9, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

What happened to Zell Miller?? He needs to have a CT scan of his brain. This is not the same man who was our Govenor.

By harold

March 9, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

harold says zell is just playing on an old racist saying that abortion was responsible for the big drop in the crime rate about 16 years after abortion became protected free speech because blacks started having abortions and suddenly about 16 years later there were no more criminals. this statement certainly reveals what sort of racist zell is doesnt it. zell you bigoted racist! why dont you puke three times and die.

By Julie

March 9, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

zell, get real. I love you, but I think you have lost your mind!

By renap

March 9, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

By mtgalisa Take the drugs aways from him? I think the poor crazy guy needs some drugs. He’s been talking like a crazy person for years. When you see him live, he looks even crazier than he speaks!

Maybe he should try pushing harder for PeachCare for kids.

By MD native

March 9, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

How nice of Miller to assume that all of these aborted children would be productive members of society, raised in a caring environment and be able to obtain education to support themselves. Or to assume they’d be willing to fight in war such as the current one. Save the babies, but screw the kids when they actually need caring later on. Don’t do anything to decrease the need for abortion in the first place through - GOD FORBID - birth control. Finally, if we are just going to send these “saved babies” off to war to be killed, I don’t see the point of having them in the first place. Mr. Miller is entitled to his opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. To him I say, if you are against abortion don’t impregnate a woman. As for the rest of us, perhaps you should let each of us make our own decisions since this is the land of the free…..

By Phil

March 9, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Thank you Senator Miller for speaking up on abortion. This country is in such decline because of all the murders by women having abortions. It is a crime to abuse an animal and legal to kill and unborn BABY! Tell me what is wrong with that picture! I am pro birthday meaning everyone deserves a birthday.

By Tony

March 9, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Let me get this straight. Illegals were a major problem just 10 years after Roe v. Wade but yet abortion has something to do with the fact Americans have no qualms about breaking the law and paying illegals straight cash? And military manpower shortage? Perhaps that is due to a foreign policy that involves getting us in wars that are unnecessary. Social Security crisis? Perhaps Zell’s many years service to a party that chose to protect it rather than either end it like is should have OR repaired it to compensate for economic crises or other factors.

I am probably as pro-life as him but blaming abortion for these ills is a huge stretch. His own support for this war, this President, and a party in previous years is what has caused the problems he has listed.

If he is teaching this then someone needs to request a refund.

By famucancer

March 9, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Wow…..watching Zell in these first years of Dementia is really heartbreaking.

By Alan

March 9, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Is this the same guy that I voted for multiple times, or has someone been putting koo-koo juice in his well up in Young Harris? I guess in one sense, with more people, there would have been more mental health professionals to treal Zell.

By jbean

March 9, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Ok, Zell has lost his mind!!! Where did he come up with that one?? Doesn’t he understand that more people would cause MORE problems (look at China and Japan, who have a LAW that limits the numbr of children a couple CAN have). We would be in worse condition than we are now. If this is his Pro-life stance, he needs a better argument.

I guess those women who DECIDE not to have children (never been pregnant, never had abortions)are part of the shortage problem too.

By Susan M.

March 9, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

According to Freakonomics authors, who have considerably more education than Zell, abortions have caused a decrease in crime, as unwanted babies have not been born to negligent parents..

I have yet to see the study proving Zells claims.. Zell, having been born into a military family that served proudly, I will do everything in my power to see to it that my two boys never ever enlist and give their lives over to an ignorant Commander in Chief that will endanger their lives without just cause. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and their are currently more terrorists that want Americans dead in Korea. Zell.. why don’t you go and fight if you feel so strongly about it. You really started something wonderful with HOPE for our children and you will always have that legacy.. Leave good alone and stop pooping all over yourself.

By Sara

March 9, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Sure – those 45 million children, if they had lived, would have absolutely persevered while growing up with parents who never wanted them or who couldn’t afford to raise them. Without a doubt, all 45 million would have survived foster care systems, stayed off drugs, and mentally well enough to be able to hold down jobs, pay social security, and defend our country. Sure…. that’s exactly what would have happened without abortion…..THIS HAS TO BE THE SINGLE MOST IGGNORANT VIEWPOINT EVER!!!

By Susan M.

March 9, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Why don’t all of you baby loving anti abortionists go out an give all the ones without homes a great loving place to live? Until the ones we currently have are all under loving roofs, then shut up!

By CA

March 9, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Zell, shhhh please…

By Cletus Snow

March 9, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller is a good man and has done great things for our state,AS much as I disagree with abortion, I can’t see the connection with any of the things mentioned.It’s true there would have been 45 million more people to serve in the military, pay Soc Sec,ect but who can say they might have all been crackheads or child molesters or some other non productive food stamp and welfare recipiants,they might have been been murderers like the 45 million baby killers that he mentioned.

By Veronique

March 9, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller lost his mind long ago. The first sign was that he started siding with the GOP. He is totally off his rocker, but this latest bit is crazy stupid, even by his standards.

By RL

March 9, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Zig Zag Zell speaks and I hear bla…bla…bla…bla…bla…bla or something like Charlie Brown’s mother.

Crawl back into your hole Zig Zag.

By Howard Smith

March 9, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller should be seen and not heard. He is a nut case.

By Sheela

March 9, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

I am so sick of the right wing sobbing about abortion!! Give me a break!! You all condemn women as w******* when they have babies out of wedlock and then condemn them as murderers when they have abortion. You don’t want welfare or any other government funded programs for the poor but you want every poor unfortunate woman who finds herself pregnant to have to go through with it. Totally irrational and very poorly thought out philosophy of living. A 10 week old zygote is not a baby you morons! If it is then why don’t your churches hold funerals for miscarriages? Why no grave or grave stone for an early miscarriage? Hypocrites! Stop romanticizing a fertilized egg. It’s all about controlling women.

By Bridget

March 9, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

catlady: So should we kill “adults with problems”? I mean if it is ok to kill them before they are born, then why not after they are adults? Also, as stated in one of the article’s quotes “they would be filling our jobs” is how it would prevent illegals.

harold: if he was being racist, he would be pro-abortion; then, more minorities would be killed. so if you are pro-abortion you are a racist. Zell is anti-abortion therefore he’s ok with more minority children.

In general, I have found that if I do not want a child and I do not have sex I do not have an unwanted pregnancy. If you say, “What about rape?”, fine, how about illegalizing abortion with an exceptions for rape and life of the mother only?

By Payton

March 9, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Zell is crazy but he is right about one part… Most abortions are obtained by poor people and the US military is largely made up of poor people, so if there had been less abortions there may have been more poor men and women available to go die in Bush’s war. Good thinking, Zell. I say we start breeding poor folks just for the purpose of fighting wars! Orwell himself could not have come up with a better plan in his worst nightmare. Bravo!

By Bryan Ford

March 9, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

I am a native Georgian, and I honestly believe that Zell Miller was the best governor that Georgia has ever had! WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HIM???? Abortion linked to illegal immigration? Excuse me. I am sorry but I don’t even see a connection at all. Zell, we have too many babies and children now that they can’t even all be adopted. It is sad to see someone such as Zell Miller, make irrational statements such as this!

By Froggy

March 9, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

As a sidebar to Mr. Miller’s comments - you should read Chapter 4 of the book Freakonomics. In that chapter, the authors suggest that the institution of Roe v. Wade in 1973 was the most significant factor to the reduction in crime in the 1990’s. Their theory is that many children with a high likelihood of becoming criminals were not born. Whether you agree with their theory or not, at least they supported their question with facts and evidence. Mr. Miller just wants to make bellicose statements.

By Constance A Kruger

March 9, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Zell’s mother along with Bargara Bush is one who should have had a abortion.

By Anais

March 9, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

OMG. The excuses people come up with. They just never end. I am so tired of people: A-pointing fingers instead of accepting responsibililty and B-ignoring the facts.

I’m with a lot of you guys…I liked Zell- but come on!

By Sarah

March 9, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Zell…bless your heart.

Now first things first. I hear tell that the military has relaxed its policy on age restrictions. Weren’t you a Marine? Then by god man! Why are you still here when you are so desperately needed in Iraq?

Now, when access to quality birth control is not restricted by the Nazis - I mean Republicans - in charge right now, we see that abortion rates decrease. Also, abortion rates go down when young people are given quality sex education in schools. But then again, we can’t have that according to the Nazis in charge - I mean Republicans - because some poor impressionable youngster will take it as a license to go crazy and fornicate! Dear Lord!

Zell, honey. Maybe none of your people will tell you this, but I will: you are batshit crazy. Please shut up and stop embarrassing this state.

By Yvette

March 9, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Looks like someone has been nipping on a bottle of “Crazy” again! Oh yeah, and all of you anti-abortion supporters,how about staying out of MY uterus.

By RB

March 9, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Zell may have been a great person once, but has become a bitter, narrow-minded buffoon. Abortion may not be the answer for everyone, but it should available for those who wish to choose it. We should pass a law banning abortion ONLY if every person who is opposed to it will agree to take one of those unwanted children to raise as their own. There should be a list of millions to choose from, so all the hospitals should do is work their way down the list as a new child is born without parents who are able to raise them with quality. My guess is the so called Pro-life advocates would not vote for such a measure.

By joe

March 9, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Zell is just an inconsequential washed-up has-been who literally preaches to choirs. No one cares what he says; do to him what you did to Barr, stop giving him any face time in the media. Ignore him. The guy’s off his rocker. He needs his daily meds and to be kept in his assisted living center where he can argue with his imaginary friends all day.

By drewspeakstruth

March 9, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller is a complete Looney Tune, no doubt the victim of too much corn whiskey and the ill effects of in-breeding. Please stop giving him ink.

By shishlik

March 9, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

That may be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Time to move on

By Marvin

March 9, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Zig Zag has always been crazy, but he is now in serious need of professional help. He should be committed before he hurts someone.

By lwa

March 9, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

how has abortion contributed to the flow of illegal immigrants? I don’t see the connection?

By Donna P.

March 9, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

45 Million dead babies including one of my siblings because my mom was an idiot in 1972 and didn’t use birth control. That is incredible! It is disgusting how Americans don’t value life and don’t take responsibility for themselves by using BIRTH CONTROL before they have sex. I agree women have the right to do what they want with their bodies and have an abortion if they want to but it is murder. We have to stop sugar coating abortion.

By Sue

March 9, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

I think Zell must have been sitting on his porch in Young Harris and rocked off the edge and hit his head.

By Stewart

March 9, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Let me as you folks this question. Why is it that our legal system charges someone who murders a pregnant mom with double homicide? Use your logic. This unborn fetus is a human being if the mother wants to keep the baby, but not if the mother chooses to have an abortion. Murder is murder. Keep your legs closed ladies are use birth control if you don’t want to have kids.

By festus

March 9, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

And how many of those kids would be denied Peachcare, Senator?

By Marvin

March 9, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Annoyed, sorry to have to inform you that Zell is NOT a war veteran. He was a sportswriter during the majority of his time in the Marine Corps, a fact you will not see in the “Mainstream Press.”

By Cruzin

March 9, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Why does Zell think we are a nation under God? We have a high divorce rate, drug use is out of control, we allow illegals to come here, and the government is working towards a socialist platform. It’s time to wake up and smell the coffee!

By Food Stamper worker

March 9, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Cletus,

Not everyone who is receiving Food Stamps or cash assistance are non productive citizens in today’s society. Most would rather be working making an honest living to support their families.

By Stewart

March 9, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Maybe Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman put their country before their party and their personal ambitions.

By JohnM

March 9, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

I think we’ve reached the point where Zell just needs to shut up and go away. I used to like this guy, but he HAS turned into a bitter old buffoon. Zell, you have become an embarassment to this fomerly great state - it’s time to go retire to the rocking chair of your cabin in Young Harris. And please, stay the h*ll away from Atlanta - we don’t want you here.

By lwa

March 9, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Brieget -

I would beg to say that more minorities aren’t being killed by abortion, it is white children. Minorities can’t afford it, don’t have anyone to borrow the money from. Also, most minorities aren’t “ashamed” nor consider it taboo to have a baby out of wed-lock.

By Mama

March 9, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

It is so nice to know that every single time Bridget has sex in her entire life that she has wanted a baby. That is the only logical follow up to her statement that she has found, in the course of her life, that if she does not want a baby that she does not have sex. Interesting. Good for you, Bridget. And don’t come back and say you use birth control because that sometimes fails, you know. Also, how is a woman to prove that she was raped if she wants an abortion? It can take years to prove rape if you go through due process of law? Nice theory, but it does not work.

By sue sullivan

March 9, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Zell needs to be medicated and kept at home. His psychosis is embarrassing to Georgians and contributes to the myth that southerners are ignorant crackers.

By Stacy

March 9, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Hey Stewart, women don’t make babies by themselves! And if a woman feels the need to have an abortion it is usually because she has been totally let down by the father of the unborn child. Either he has abandoned her, denied her or is a terrible provider. So how about admonishing the worthless men of our society who knock-up-and-run rather than singling out the women.

By Johnny Boy Says

March 9, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Not a truer statemant spoken. Sometimes it is tought to speak the truth when so many will distort it, discount it and run and hide form it’s factual basis. God bless you, Zell Miller !!

By Lisa

March 9, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

I once escorted a friend to have an abortion. We were the only white chicks in that very crowded waiting room.

By RB

March 9, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

So Stewart…are you opposed to the death penalty? Murder is murder….Please sign the list of folks accepting adoptable children as you so loudly object to a woman’s right to choose.

By Mara

March 9, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Zell….here’s your sign.

(ref: Jeff Foxworthy, fellow Georgian)

By DS

March 9, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Stewart - The reason that it’s a double homicide is because legislators made feticide a crime as a way of pushing forward “pro-life” laws in the eventual hope to outlaw abortions.

I agree that Zell was a great governor, and he was even a decent senator, but since he left Washington he’s gone off the deep end.

By anonymous

March 9, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

How was this man ever a Democrat? Did he have a serious head injury? That is the only thing I can think of that would explain his seemingly endless downward spiral into right-wing zealotry.

By harold

March 9, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

prasie be to jesus that zell miller has stepped up to fill the shoes of the late strom thurmond

By GrantParkGuy

March 9, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

I agree with the comment above about him not being the same man as he was when he was our Governor. I knew Zell personally back then. I worked for him. He was a compassionate, articulate and intelligent man. He was wonderful to work with.

The man we see today just isn’t the same person. And, that is very sad.

• W.

By Sarah

March 9, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Donna P. - you throw out the term BIRTH CONTROL like it’s so simple these days. Do you have any idea just how difficult this regime has made it to get birth control in this state and country now? Pretty damned difficult. Pharmacists can stand there and flat out tell a woman that they refuse to do their job and fill a prescription and the Republican legislature says that fine.

Wake up you ignorant idiot. If you don’t want an abortion, then don’t get one, but don’t you dare try to tell other women what to do with their lives.

I’ll bet that your mother was able to actually feed and clothe you because she didn’t have too many mouths to feed in 1972. Don’t take your family issues out on the rest of us!

By Varga

March 9, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Stewart: That is precisely why many folks have opposed laws charging someone double for murdering a pregnant woman. We knew it was just a way to work the laws around to banning abortion. Duh!

By PointyStick

March 9, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Stewie - Keep your legs closed ladies are use birth control if you don’t want to have kids

why don’t you MEN keep your pecker in your pants if you don’t want a kid?

if men gestated kids, abortion would be a human right and contraception would be a sacrament.

By AtlantaDude

March 9, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Well, what do you expect from somebody who was racist, nut job Lester Maddox’s right hand man?

By ANGEL

March 9, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Zell, It is unbelievable that a nation under God would allow this” - It is UNBELIEVABLE THAT A NATION UNDER GOD ALLOW, PRESERVE, BREED & FEED OFF a lot of thingS.

By KC

March 9, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

It is obvious that Zell a long time ago wished to change parties, but do to some advice that he received from party leaders it was determined that he could best serve them (and himself) by remaining in the party and attacking from within. Zell has benefited financially from his new views since he left the party and decided to accept the senate position. Bottom line is if Sean Hannity will endorse him and praise him he must be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Zell, do us all a favor and end the charade. We thought highly of you as governor, but now that legacy is long forgotten. Zell, did Sean’s endorsement of your book payoff as much as you expected?

By Jesse's Girl

March 9, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Iwa…while agree with you that the majority of women having abortions are very probably white….I have to touch on this minorities aren’t ashamed to have b******* babies issue. I hate to be so blunt, but they should be. There used to be a stigma attached to an unwed mother. There used to be a stigma attached to the guy that got her pregnant. Not anymore. These days it seems to be a badge of honor. Its so common place to see unwed, teenaged mothers walking around our middle and high schools. Its shameful.

By jeff

March 9, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Zell is right

By doug

March 9, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Its sad to say, but why do these things always seem to come out of this state. This is why there so many stereotypes about the state. We all know most of us don’t feel this way, but this is what gets in the news. This might be the first time a pro life and pro choice persons agree on, that Millers comments make no sense at all. AMAZING

By Tammy

March 9, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

So who is going to adopt all these babies who would normally have been aborted? Because let me tell you, a great many of them will be born addicted to drugs or with severe fetal alcohol syndrome. I know you can sign up Stewart and Bridget. Any other takers? Didn’t think so!

By Vermin8

March 9, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

The problem with Social Security is that we do not have enough workers to support the soon-to-retire Baby Boom generation. If we had had widely available abortion by 1946, there likely wouldn’t be all these old timers to support. Ergo, the problem is not that Roe vs. Wade happened but that it happened 30 years too late.

By Pete L.

March 9, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

Hey Zell,

We can make up that deficit by initiating the draft again. We can start at the college level and recruit all those “so call patriots” hiding behind the Republican Shield. That should account for a large percentage of the shortage you’re alluring (which I think is totally insane). You just validated what we the majority of the us already knew — you’re off your rocker!!!

By R.Thomas

March 9, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Bridget & Stewart: You can’t put the genie back in the bottle. The sexual revolution has happened and you can’t undo it. That being said, a large percentage of babies born in this country are born out of wedlock so you can’t convince me that abortions are done out of shame of an unwanted out of wedlock baby. No sir! They are done for the same reason now that they were done when they were illegal- mostly that reason is money. Some folks find themselves pregnant when there is no way they can afford to have a child. Abortions may not be cheap but they are cheaper than raising a baby. But the GOP keeps getting rid of government programs that would help poor women raise their babies. Go figure!

By steve

March 9, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

It’s official: I’ve told my wife and sons that if I ever become what Zell has become, please pull the plug and end it all……

By Self Destruct

March 9, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

What a vicious cycle. First we desensitize our culture to the sanctity of life by abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy and executing those incarcerated for capital crimes. Then euthanasia becomes acceptable. Before long, we like China - will then be tempted to begin harvesting the organs of our incarcerated population and justify it through utilitarian and medicinal purposes. And then, it becomes very easy for us to execute and justify nuclear strikes. If the one life is not sacred, especially those most vulnerable and innocent, then we eventually all become at risk because of our silence. At least Zell isn’t afraid to speak up and show us where we are and where we’re going.

By B. Plyler

March 9, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller is absolutely correct. If that many people had been lost in an ongoing war since 1972, no one would disagree with his comments.

By Donna P.

March 9, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

To Sarah at 2:00 PM - My pharmacist has NEVER not given me my birth control and has NEVER told me that I couldn’t get it. I don’t know of any women not allowed to get birth control and is some areas of the country, it is free or low cost at FREE CLINICS.

Both of my parents clothed and fed me thank you. My mother had an affair and that is why she got pregnant so instead of being RESPONSIBLE FOR HER OWN ACTIONS, she chose the easy way out – abortion.

By itsmydecision

March 9, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

You’ve gotta be kidding me! Birth control limits the population more than abortion ever could, why not blame it too? I can see the headline now…”Throw away your condoms and pills for the sake of your country.” I don’t think so!

By M. Liles

March 9, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

I think it’s because of too many duels.

By George

March 9, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

What is this nonsense??? Please it’s bad enough most of my paycheck goes to paying for lazy people and their kids. Yet I work in a field where I’m supposed to solve cancer and “donate” most of my paycheck for people on welfare. If Zell wants the abortions to stop then he can pay for all those kids, because I never agreed to do it.

By lwa

March 9, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Jesse’s girl, you are correct, they should be ashamed but for the right reasons.

My point was that to be yound and pregnant wasn’t a huge neg/stigma in the minority communities. It was just a fact of life. I am not arguing right or wrong, just not a complete negative. Now, in 2007 with education opportunities, travel, medicine, life, etc. it is ashamed that someone would have to put their life on hold to raise a child.

We forget that teenage pregnancy has been around for many gerations. My grandmother was sixteen and married. However, that is what life was about in the 40s. We as a society are beyond that now and there is more that life has to offer. The shame is not getting that message through to a lot of girls/women.

For some women it is just plain ignorance. For some, just plain stupidity.

By Derek

March 9, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

This is why this fool needed to retire for thinking so idiotically! (Wow to blame abortions,immigration etc.for troop shortages,what about people just not wanting to be apart of a stupid military that don’t take care of their own!)

By Julie

March 9, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

The best-seller Freakanomics asserts that the drop in the crime rate is due to the rise in the number of abortions so is Senator Miller’s comment so far-fetched?

By boots

March 9, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Successful politicians crave the attention and adjulation of the crowd —-and some will do or say anything to get attention, even if it’s misguided. Zell deserves a lot of praise for his accomplishment as Guv, but the time has come for him to exit stage right. Thanks for the Hope Scholarships and Adios!

By TimBuck

March 9, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Zell’s comments are statistically correct. Read the bood “Freakonomics” and educate yourself before you criticize his message. He is not condemning anyone, he statement is supported with data. Deal with it!

By Amy Morton

March 9, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

When Zell opens his mouth, don’t you just expect nonsense? I do. But remember, as ridiculous as this all sounds, it is an talking point of the anti-choice crowd. Don’t believe me? Take a look at the bill filed in Georgia- AND GIVEN A HEARING - to make abortion illegal in this state. That bill includes this nonsense and even more inaccurate statements. Abortion causes breast cancer, smoking, divorce and so much more. Give me a break.

By Tom

March 9, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

He’s just a complete embarrassment to the state. I don’t know how we do it Newt, Zell, Larry McDonald - it’s just crackpot city around here.

By kabe

March 9, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

you people are pathetic. go ‘head zell. you speak MUCH truth. for those who want to know what “has happened” to zell. he’s been touched by the Holy Spirit. that is what has happened. sounds like most of you need a touch too.

By Becky

March 9, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Suan M. post at 1:09pm, do you know what’s involved with trying to adopt here? You must not or you would know that this is why people go out of the country to adopt. So how many have you adopted?

By A Wise Woman

March 9, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

A woman once said “Abortion is the worst evil, and the greatest enemy of peace… Because if a mother can kill her own child, what will prevent us from killing ourselves or one another? Nothing”. Mother Teresa in her 1979 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech.

By JohnM

March 9, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Next up: Zell calls on all Georgians to kill a gay for Jesus: “It will solve all of North Georgia’s traffic problems, and end high school droputs”.

By deb

March 9, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Vermin-excellent point! I suppose that Zell lacks the creativity and intellect to see abortion from that angle, though.

By Stewart

March 9, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Tammy, I’ll adopt my share! There are many people in this country who cannot have kids. That doesn’t change the fact that abortion is murder. I’m not some right wing wacko telling people not to have premarital sex. People need to take responsibility for their actions. The majority of the women that have abortions have mental problems later in their lives due to guilt.

By Jim L.

March 9, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Read “Freakonomics” by Steve Levitt and Steve Dubner. They have mathematically proven that the american women’s right to an abortion has created a sustained drop in violent crime. Abortion has selectively reduced those persons who would be the least advantaged, the least loved, and the most likely to become murderers, carjackers, rapists, etc. Furthermore…HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT STOCK FARM ANIMALS…we have control over our reproductive cycle, we are not slaves to our biology.

Furthermore, Zell, we aren’t a nation “under God”…we are a republic, not a theocracy, and our laws should be based on reason instead of this religious nonsense. Why would your belief in God have anything to do with reality? How could you prove to a skeptical world that a) There is a God and b) Your God is the one true God while all of the other Gods are just fairy tales.

By Ted

March 9, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

I started to read the comments until I got to the 3rd. or 4th. (Joe D.). Up until now I didn’t know that caring compassionate people approved of the killing of children; and the mindless statement that an embryo is not a child yet begs the question — if left to term, what then would you get, a sofa?

By gdawginkalamazoo

March 9, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Why is it every time now days that I hear Zell’s comments or see him on the Sunday pundit shows I keep hearing that Looney Tunes music in my head?

By deb

March 9, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Self-Destruct- you say that abortion has/will desensitize us to capital punishment, going to war and killing people, etc. However, the very people who say they are opposed to abortion are-GASP-the ones who support capital punishment and the war in Iraq! Both of these activities kill people, so why don’t conservatives oppose them? And ZigZag seems a little callous to be suggesting that we should end abortion so that we’ll have more troops to die in war. Reminds me of the Planned Parenthood slogan “Republicans want live fetuses so they can grow up to be dead soldiers” I hate to break it to you, but abortion has not desensitized us to life-we already were that way long before 1973.

By Jacob

March 9, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Zell - my hindsight crystal ball is clearer than your’s and mine shows those 45 million babies would have grown to be gay high school dropouts with incredible disabilities to qualify for social security disability. Most of them would be living in Virginia Highlands or Piedmont Park area. So tell me again, how much better of we would be??? Zell, old man quit drinking on the front porch while holding your laptop. It’s gotten out of control.

By Steve

March 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Unwanted children don’t end up paying social security. Usually, they end up robbing you. If anything, we need more abortions.

By E

March 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Wow. There is just nothing to say to that kind of logic.

I’ve encounterd people like poor Zell before. There is no arguing with the unstable.

By olkoot

March 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Will some one shut that ol’ koot up… I am ashame to say I voted for him in the past. I thought he just faded away, with all the other folk from his generation with views as his.

Zell is just trying to get attention… is he writing another book…

By Lynn

March 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

As usual another ignorant statement. I always ask those opposed to abortion- How many kids have you adopted today? THere are 14,000 kids in Georgia’s SS system how many did he adopt?

By Phillip

March 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

he’s been touched by the Holy Spirit. sounds like most of you need a touch too.

So I too can make asinine statements?

That’s okay, I’ll pass.

By Bob

March 9, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand the reflex responses of some people who are just calling Miller names. Don’t you think that over 40 million abortions might affect our country in the least? At least half of those 40 million would probably be tax paying, social security contributing citizens. It has made a difference.

By Sarah

March 9, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

Ah kabe, I agree with you that Zell has been touched all right. Touched in the head. Adult onset dementia is never a pretty sight. We usually don’t get to see it play out in the media though.

By rid0617

March 9, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Dear Zell The reason there are not enough in the military is who wants to work for low pay and risk being killed in an insane war? The reason we have an illegal immigration problem is because Democrats want cheap votes and Republicans want cheap labor. Just wanted to catch you up on the year 2007

By Me!

March 9, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Iwa,

??? I think you totally misunderstood Bridget’s comments. She didn’t say minorites have more abortions than whites. Are you reading the comment I read? Also, where do you get this notion that minorities can’t afford to pay for abortions? I’m not sure about you but I’m a minority and there’s no way I could come home pregnant without a husband. In my house it is taboo. Stop speaking for all or even most minorities because you’re dead wrong! What you stated may be true for the minorities you know.

By Annoyed

March 9, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Stewart -

By kf

March 9, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

idiot

By DamnTheMan

March 9, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

I guess Zell is proof that the village of Young Harris is missing it’s idiot. I truly hope this fruitbat isn’t teaching collage students anymore.

And please stop agrandizing Zelly’s military record. He’s not a “war veteran”, he was a stateside instructor who never even saw “the enemy”. At best, he was a “war time veteran”. Let’s not equate him with real heroes that risk thier lives for thier country.

By WESLEY FRANKLIN

March 9, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

YES, and the 45 million could help locate the new Iraq’s cells.

http://www.house.gov/mccaul/

” A LINE IN THE SAND: CONFRONTING THE THREAT AT THE SOUTHWEST BORDER” Iraq’s Learning Spanish Before Crossing to America from Mexico

By DICK

March 9, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Most of the problems in this world can be blamed on there being too many people. If you’ve had an abortion, vasectomy or “been fixed” THANK YOU! For not sentencing some poor soul to an average 72 year sentence in this sh*&^y world and not crowding the world further. Most people are idiots like Zell the zealot and there’s no need to creat more.

By PointyStick

March 9, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Stewie - The majority of the women that have abortions have mental problems later in their lives due to guilt

not to mention stinky feet, bad breath, flatulence, lazy eye, gingevitas, low sex drive, dry mouth, and an inability to “handle” ones alcohol.

ALSO (“common” side-effects, according to the so-called “AbortionInfo.net”) Infertility, Cervical Laceration, Uncontrollable blood clotting, Severe hemorrhage, Seizures, Coma, Cancer, Death.

Buncha cr@p. Try reading something from the AMA, the Department of Health, or some other non-partisan FACTUAL source, instead of the lying screeds of anti-woman pro-forced gestation organizations. Learn some FACTS instead of spreading your opinion-based LIES.

By daliraja

March 9, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Miller and Bush must have gone to the same school. Moron University!

By tlp

March 9, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Just when I thought I have heard the most ignorant comment possible, Zell Miller opens his mouth. That is the most stupid statement ever uttered by any Republicrat ever! He wants children to be born but look at the PeachCare situation and the conditions of our public school system. Or they should be born to die in Iraq.

By Barry

March 9, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Governor Goofy strikes again!!! The really bad thing is that he is talking to a lot of other goofies who haven’t had an original thought in their lives.

By Deb

March 9, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

There is no excuse for unwanted pregnancy these days. It seems the people with the most kids are ones who can least afford it and expect the government to take care of their poor judgement and decision making.

By Muse

March 9, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Apparently Zell subscribes to the “I reject your reality and substitute my own” school of thought.

Then again, as Stephen Colbert has noted, “Reality has a well known liberal bias.”

By lovelyliz

March 9, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Here I was blaming my dog’s flatulence emissions for increasing global warming when it was all caused by abortion.

By Hawker

March 9, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Zell has it right; The same thing Larry Burkett and others have been saying for a decade.

We have murdered an entire generation and there will be fiscal as well as moral consequences.

By Ad-Hoc

March 9, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

have to comment on the fact that I escorted a friend of mine to an abortion clinic and it was half and half. White and black. Very crowded room and it hit me full force. Very much in support of women having control over their own bodies, but in the end, it is not a very nice thing and I hate all of the side-talk to make it sound all groovy. It’s the killing of a unborn child pure and simple, but it still should remain a personal decision.

By Bobbie

March 9, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

With a voluntary military, who’s to say these 45 million people would be enlisted? Common sense tells you that the more people pay into social security, more will draw out. I agree with the issue of illegal immigrants. Joining the military to support our country is one thing but a useless unnecessary war is another.

By deca

March 9, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Here’s something interesting from John Mueller, author of “How America would be Stronger if Abortion Remained Illegal:”

After nearly thirty years, the data suggest that abortion has been anything but good for the United States. By reducing the size of the population, abortion has correspondingly reduced the size of the economy; over time, it will undercut one main cause of the American economy’s current dynamism: innovation. By contributing to a sharp drop in the net marriage rate, legalized abortion has already reduced the standard of living of the average American household. Legalized abortion is also single-handedly responsible for anticipated imbalances in the Social Security retirement system. Taken in its entirety, legal abortion is perhaps the single largest American economic event of the past century, more significant than the Great Depression or the Second World War. Tracing the extent of this impact demonstrates that, had abortion remained illegal, the American population would be significantly larger, it would contain a larger share of intact marriages and two-parent families, and average living standards would be higher. In addition, the analysis warns that if it continues unchecked, legal abortion will progressively erode both America’s relative economic importance and her average absolute standard of living.

By Eric

March 9, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

The truth hurts, but has to be told..

By mlr710

March 9, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Is Zell in the first stage of Alzheimer’s??

By KarenM

March 9, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

So Zell Miller wants unwanted children to foot the bill for Social Security and pad the ranks for wars? The Democratic Party is all he left behind; he’s lost his sanity.

By Patriotsthink

March 9, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Abortion rights aside, most of Western civilization is aging and we are not replacing ourselves. Do the math. More people are living single or childless than in past generations. Many families are having only one or two children. Should to one of those children die… Just do the math.

By charlie boy

March 9, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Zig-zag is the perfect argument for abortion.

By KarenM

March 9, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

kabe,

Zell’s been touched, but it ain’t by the holy spirit.

By Mollie

March 9, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

I didn’t know Zell Miller very well until I saw him shoot flames out his eyes at the 2004 Republican Convention. He made Bob Dole look happy-go-lucky.

Can’t say much that hasn’t been said - but that I am pleased to see the majority of the posts are respectfully questioning Zell’s mental state.

Wow - prop him and Ann Coulter up for the next year, please! Howard Dean and DNC need the handicap.

By Susan M.

March 9, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

Becky.. I’m not talking about giving the nice little newborn white babies homes.. Of course those are all spoken for and highly scarce. I’m talking about the the older ones in foster care that get bounced like balls all over from city to city with no one to love them. I am a foster care supporter and do what I can for them. And I support a woman’s right to choose not to bring a child into this world. And until all the children living in the US have loving homes and are out of the care, custody and financial support of the federal government, you idealists don’t have poop to say about bring more unwanted babies into this world. If your pro-life, take the class and get on the foster to adopt list… They will be at your door with a child in less than 24 hours.. Begging you to help that unwanted unloved child in serious need of help.

And Deca.. seriously, just because someone uses words like “data” doesn’t mean you should believe them or that their data amounts to anything .. What a load. Some of you need to study up on what causal facts really mean and not belive someone making up things to suit their beliefs.

And how does Zell and all the rest of you propose to know that God wants all these unwanted babies being brought into the world? Did She call you?

By SharonH

March 9, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

Oh sweet Jesus, I am so glad this man is no longer affiliated with Democrats. He is in serious need of an intervention and some very strong medications. Hey Republicans he’s all yours: Enjoy!

By catlady

March 9, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

I have seen first hand the horror visited upon children who are unwanted: our schools are full of them. Perhaps God in His/Her mercy allowed those aborted to avoid the hell that many others suffer. A high proportion of those aborted fetuses, if they had been born, would have been a further drain on limited resources because of the homes they would have been born into. In addition, they would have added, beyond their 45 million, 90 million or more perhaps unwanted children of their own. It is multiplicative, and multi-generational. And by now we’d be into the third generation. Look around, folks, at the folks who don’t live in your neighborhood, and then pontificate.

We have illegal immigrants because it SUITS the government and large employers to have them. They are uncomplaining, cheap labor, and can be used and discarded with little fallout for the employers. And, in addition to the profit they bring, the taxpayers fund much of their emergency care and upkeep. The government reaps the benefits of the Social Security taken out of their checks that they will never see. The landlord gets payment, plus, for run-down,squalid housing. And then there is the PR of “American’s won’t do the jobs (at this wage), and “we are just trying to help (take advantage of) these poor folks”.

By JP

March 9, 2007 8:35 PM | Link to this

Congratulations, Georgia! One of our own, Newt, is already being called the worst hypocrite in the US! With the creation stickers and Harry Potter bans, who needs Zell Miller to make us look like bubbas?

But here he is anyway!

By Zakalwe

March 9, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

Interesting it’s assumed that all 30-45 million would either be a drain on the economy or otherwise losers.

By Carol

March 9, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this

“But mark this: there will be terrible times in the last days(before Christ’s Return). People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.”(II Timothy2:27)

By Carol

March 9, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

“But mark this: there will be terrible times in the last days(before Christ’s Return). People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.”(II Timothy2:27)

By Carol

March 9, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

“But mark this: there will be terrible times in the last days(before Christ’s Return). People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.”(II Timothy2:27)

By Carol

March 9, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this

“Woe to them who call good evil and evil good”.

Example: Convicted Child molesters and killers are allowed to walk free while unborn babies are killed to reduce the future ‘crime rate’.

By Carol

March 9, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

“Woe to them who call good evil and evil good”.

Example: Convicted Child molesters and killers are allowed to walk free while unborn babies are killed to reduce the future ‘crime rate’.

By Big Al

March 9, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller equates with the term, Crem de la Crem of America’s politicians. Why can’t this country produce more Zell Millers and less Hillarys! He’s probably the most solid Republican of any who call themselves Republican, and are members of the Republican Party.

By Martin Lyons

March 10, 2007 1:59 AM | Link to this

Anyone who thinks that legalized abortion desensitizes people and makes it easier for them to kill each other in wars should be prepared to argue the point war-by-war. Human history is soaked in blood, and Mother Theresa’s own Christian religion was spread not by the word but by conquering armies, beginning with Constantine’s.

By lala

March 10, 2007 5:21 AM | Link to this

No Zell, the problem is definately not abortion. I think it has more to do with the broken, do-nothing-of-merit, dirtbag government and the soulless corporations that stuff the pockets of the stated dirtbag government officials that we’ve been stuck with for time out of mind. No major problem that faces America has been resolved for over thirty years. This includes education of youth, the failing social security system, the rising cost of health care, illegal immigration, and repairing the aging infastructure of our nation, among other things. Yeah, whatever. Just keep shouting about those pesky, hot button issues like abortion, gay marriage, the failed war on drugs, drooling vegetables like Terry Schiavo, sex and violence in video games and media, and all the other stupid bs that everyone knows is stupid bs. Maybe if the government actually resolved issues and restored a reasonable quality of life and a sense of optimisim to the American people, a lot of other perceived social ills would simply fix themselves. The government politicians is what is making a mess of this country, not abortion. Also, Zell, if you don’t want abortions, maybe real sex education and easy availibility of birth control is the answer, not your party’s failed, does nothing, abstinence-only, non-sex education, you #$@! stupid, old git.

By boiled peanut

March 10, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Zell needs to be careful about how the conclusions he draws from the abortion figures.

Why does he think that the 45 million aborted fetuses, if they had been carried to term, would have been any more likely to serve in the military than the millions of kids we already have out there?

We don’t need 45 million more recruits; a million or so would do nicely. There are already tens of millions of able-bodied young men and women living in this country who weren’t aborted, who are eligible to fight this war, but who choose not to enlist.

Gee, you wonder how we ever got to be a nation of 300 million people with all these abortions going on?

By Vermin8

March 10, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Is anyone frightened by the fact that GA was once represented in the Senate by a man who cannot make the mental connection between elimination of the draft and low military numbers?

By Dem-agog

March 10, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Folks, Welcome to the delusional world of the Radical Right! All the freedoms this country was founded upon have been or are in the process of being taken away from us by the Radical Right. They want this country their way and on their terms. We are on the doorstep of a new fascism in this country.

By Carol

March 10, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

Dem-a-spin-Gog: what do you think that this wonderful country’s freedoms were founded upon? freedom and porn for all? NO, the right to worship God! YOU are the ones trying to take away all of the freedoms! You are the Nazis! What a spin doctor.

By Anne

March 10, 2007 11:52 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller is absolutely right! In the narcissistic society we live in today as typified by the responses to his remarks, it takes raw courage like Zell’s to speak truth to PC. All his critics who have posted here need to take some time out for some serious research on these points, rather than resort to ad hominem attacks. God Bless you Zell !

By Carole

March 11, 2007 3:20 AM | Link to this

He’s right, we’re no better than China that disposes of female babies so they will have more males for war. Wait until the Libs. start telling you the conditions that you can have a family under!

By Loren Jones

March 11, 2007 4:33 AM | Link to this

The opponents of abortion pretend to care about the sancitity of life all the while cheerleading for wars of dubious validity.

They pretend to care about the sancitity of life all the while ignoring the needs of physically and psychologically damaged soldiers that war creates.

They pretend to care about the sancitity of life all the while refusing to acknowledge the lost lives of Iraqi civilians.

They pretend to care about the sancitity of life all the while encouraging state-sponsored executions of prisoners whose guilt is in question or whose mental competence at the time of the crime is at issue.

Apparently, the ONLY life they care about is the lives of the UNBORN, because once a child is here, they feel no responsibility as fellow human beings to ensure the child is fed, clothed, housed, healed, educated or even treated humanely.

By Loren Jones

March 11, 2007 4:40 AM | Link to this

Carole, no one is trying to take away your freedom. Just calm down. And, if you knew any history you’d know that the GOP is doing a good job of imitating the Nazis right now with their belief in plenary powers for the executive branch, unlimited detentions (w/out charges or the ability to speak to a lawyer) of US and foreign citizens, sneek & peak warrantless searches, illegal phone taps, etc., so you should stop repeating things you heard but don’t understand… it makes you seem like a dullard.

By Ed Buerger

March 11, 2007 6:06 AM | Link to this

It’s too bad those 45 million aborted infants can’t speak up and let us know what they think.

By Still Shouting

March 11, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Yes, all those women should have carried their babies to term, sacrificed and struggled to raise them to adulthood, and then handed them over to Zell so they could be killed at 20 years old in a stupid war.

How many babies did Zell raise to donate to the almighty cause?

By Gingerguy

March 11, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

The number of people verbal attacking Zell is simply amazing. What ever happened to one having an opinion and sharing it with others without being attacked? Everybody is always ‘so offended’ by what people have said. Why is it wrong for someone to mourn the death of a life, particularly when it’ a baby and sharing that opinion with others?

By Bossman

March 11, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

There should be a Zell Miller born every minutes!

By howard hughes

March 11, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

What a wonderfully logical comment Senator Miller has made!

By Fed Up Withliberals

March 11, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

“Still Shouting” obviously isn’t aware that we have a volunteer army, that these brave young men and women weren’t “handed over to anyone,” but if it weren’t for them, and others like them, we would be handing over our freedom to terrorists, or would have already handed it over to Dictators of other countries. It’s that same volunteer army that is responsible for the freedom “Still Shouting” and the rest of us enjoy; the comfort we have of living in safe harbor, and without fear of being decimated any minute. If this country ever goes under, it will be from the inside, and will be due to the ignorance of its citizenry majority. There’s no question as regards the defense of this country that Liberalism and stupidity are synonymous terms. Liberals want to kill babies, but cry aloud when a soldier who is willing to give his life for the freedom of his fellowman, is killed. Since liberals want to murder the babies, we can only hope that those that have been aborted would have likewise become liberals with similar warped persuasions.

By Char

March 11, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

These comments are amazing and show how heartless we have become. 45 million dead, and yet some snort with contempt at poor Zell Miller and his crazy comments. 45 million people not allowed to live makes the Holocaust look like a sunday picnic. What callous disregard for life is rampant, as shown by the comments here. And yes, not alive means not in the military, not working jobs, so Zell’s comments make perfect sense. Well, a reckoning will come. What will it take for people to care about a slaughter of this magnitude, I wonder. Death in their own families? One day war will come to America and they might get a taste of death and how terrible the suffering accompanying it is and maybe they will be less callous about the death of our children. Thanks for your courage and your good sense, Zell.

By frontier freemont

March 11, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

Some of the posts here once again remind us of how vile and cruel the left is in this country.

By Aquagirl

March 11, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Zell made up a nutty theory designed to attack reproductive rights, and is trying to sell it under the guise of concern about conservative hot-button issues. He ought to get attacked. Right-wingers constantly try to push their agendas by making ridiculous claims and denying their true motives.

No doubt some of you Zell-huggers also belive the Cobb County creationists were concerned with “open scientific discussion”. Is it really okay for your leaders to twist facts—or just plain make them up—-to advance your agenda? Christian Coalition types seem to embrace that behavior.

By deuce

March 11, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

I disagree somewhat with Zell. Most of the women in this country having abortions are liberals. Liberals are intolerant, hateful, closed-minded, and are more threatening to our decent society than any other threat facing us, including islamic terrorists. From that perspective, I agree with some of the other posts’ comments that it is more likely these babies would grow up to be criminals, drug abusers, and a drain on society. How interesting that the majority of posts draw that same connection.

By Steve

March 11, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Thank you Zell. Abortion may not be all the problem, but it’s a great part of it.
Keep working on the truth. Semper Fi

By Paul

March 11, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Senator Miller is making the point that liberalism will destroy human potential every time.

By Pat Gigliotti

March 11, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

It’s fun to make clever comments about someone who is against infantcide. Not wanting to kill off inconvenient pests is so redneck. by the looks of the two John Edwards types who wrote this piece they needn’t worry. there is also a tone of “poor people don’t deserve to live” among your comments. the racist Ms. Sanger would be proud.

By Byron

March 11, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

The childish and pathetic ad hominem attacks on Zell highlight the headbanging anger and the venom the left has for disagreement. Agree with them or you are the target of all of the nasty insults before this comment and after it I am sure.

Incidently, Zell is right. Deal with it.

By Al

March 11, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Zell is absolutely right. You cannot “murder” your children and expect to grow as a nation. Abortion is “murder” of the most defenseless of our citizens. Keep it up Zell…you are one of the few people in this country that has the “guts” to tell it like it is. The liberal/socialist don’t liked to be reminded when they are “wrong”.

By Matt

March 11, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Murder children my a**. Abortion is not murder, those aren’t kids, they are cells. You can make those in a petri dish. Irrational thinking, right there, one don’t you go have a chat with Lunatic Zell, I’m sure you’ll get along well. He’s an idiot, an embarassment to this nation, and should go have a duel with some wacko NRA member who shares his thinking.

By Elgin

March 11, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Liberals think his comments are stupid?

Let’s break this down so even liberals who attended public schools can do the math.

We’ve KILLED 47 million babies since the early 1970’s. That means we have 47 million fewer US citizens.

These babies would then grow up. They would work and pay social security. They would be in our military.

Tough concept for you LIB’S?

By Jodi

March 11, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

For all of you naysayers, check the facts. The statistics on abortion, once you have dug deep enough into Planned Parenthood’s records, prove that the majority of girls are lower middle, middle and upper middle class white girls that WOULD be having productive members of society, NOT criminals. Yes, a certain number of girls having abortions do fit that stereotype, but not the majority. Remember, more babies equals more welfare dollars.

Just because you are pro-abortion does not mean Mr. Miller is wrong. How typical of liberals to attack the messenger instead of countering the message. Prove him wrong instead of saying he is touched, or delusional, or calling for him to take drugs, or get off the drugs.

By Annoyed with Atlantans

March 11, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

I can hardly believe some of the c* put on this thread as comments. Zell Miller is a person who puts the national good ahead of his political well-being. Name any other Democrat who does so.

What he was saying about abortion, is that we’d not only have 45 million more “Americans” here, without the abortion mindset of the Far Radical Left, we wouldn’t have the welfare state the way it is, we wouldn’t have people on drugs and listless bums at the rate we now have, in short, we’d have a better society.

That’s where the other 45 million pepole would be, doing those things the majority of Americans were doing in the decades before the late 1960’s.

We’ve Come a Long Way Baby!!

By Doc Washburn

March 11, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

It is a simple matter of math and of the killing of innocents being morally wrong and of people wanting to defend the indefensible. People are very upset upon hearing the truth because it convicts them.

By BillH

March 11, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

All of you White fools out there will soon see what he means as you become the minority in this country!The Demoncratic plan is to walk all of your 13 year old Daughters to the abortion clinic as the Blacks and Latins keep multiplying and coming across the borders simultaneously shoving ridlin down all the little white boys throats.All of this guarantees the Dems will eventually take the country in they’re direction as Republicans cease to be elected due to the MINORITY VOTE!! Keep laughing.

By mhr

March 11, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

As usual many of the liberal critics of the comment under discussion have nothing more to contribute to the debate than insults. Zell is clearly correct. Abortion and the lower birthrate of the entire western world, Europe included, have created a lack of people. Why is that so difficult to accept?

By BillH

March 11, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

All of you White fools out there will soon see what he means as you become the minority in this country!The Demoncratic plan is to walk all of your 13 year old Daughters to the abortion clinic as the Blacks and Latins keep multiplying and coming across the borders simultaneously shoving ridlin down all the little white boys throats.All of this guarantees the Dems will eventually take the country in they’re direction as Republicans cease to be elected due to the MINORITY VOTE!! Keep laughing.

By BillH

March 11, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

All of you White fools out there will soon see what he means as you become the minority in this country!The Demoncratic plan is to walk all of your 13 year old Daughters to the abortion clinic as the Blacks and Latins keep multiplying and coming across the borders simultaneously shoving ridlin down all the little white boys throats.All of this guarantees the Dems will eventually take the country in they’re direction as Republicans cease to be elected due to the MINORITY VOTE!! Keep laughing.

By Smo

March 11, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Well, another way to look at is that there were 45 million fewer liberals born.

By Ezekiel

March 11, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

BillH (3/11 at 1:07pm) ought to look at the numbers before spewing. No ethnic or cultural group has been hit harder by legalized abortion than blacks. Zell Miller speaks in the tradition of the old prophets, and he is receiving the same kind of venomous hatred in return that they did. The laws of both God and nature hold that parents are meant to sacrifice themselves for their children, not the other way around.

By Ezekiel

March 11, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Strictly by science and philosophy, a baby’s life begins not at birth, nor at implantation, but at conception. It’s utter foolishness to think that a change in location (outside the womb versus inside) or umbilical status (connected or not) has any relevance to the baby’s ontological status. Else we can also reason that life begins when one moves out of the house and gets a job, which would let parents ‘abort’ their surly teenagers at will. (And how many parents would love to have that option at their disposal!)

By Cheryl

March 11, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

You crazy libs! You will say anything to justify your murder of our nations most inncoent. You disgust me! Zell Miller is absolutely astute in his observation. There is no good that comes from murder.

By dave

March 11, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

So, dear former Senator o’ mine: why does your stunning insight on this subject not reach your (seemingly) antithetical view on gun rights? We (the US) could have had over 38,000 additional lives we could (eventually) throw at Iraq just from last year (CDC reports 38,317. ’06 gun deaths) Isn’t that close to the 33,000 troop surge Fearless Leader is sending this year? Oh yeah, some of the dead weren’t old enough to serve our country. Or have a beer if they were facing death for their country. Of course not all would be saved by gun control. But maybe, just maybe it could have saved that little old lady that was killed by the Atlanta police (I wonder: was her’s even counted as a gun death?). Now, some of the gun-dead were working and contributing to SS, some not. But all were alive by any definition of the word, and now they are not. As a member of the generation(s) that is (are) placing the SS system in peril, my hope is you will do the right thing and renounce your (and your wife’s) claim on any SS benefits in the future. And Medicare. Parts A, B and C. As a lawyer, I expect you to do your part to preserve the work ethic you developed by ending the propagation of generational wealth. Surely your kids should have the same chance to develop their own perspective on the working middle class without your interference. Build a library instead: It worked for Carnegie. And Buffett is singing its praise (Warren, not Jimmy). And Zell, I look forward to you helping with the immigration problem by you and the misses churning out some more young un’s to help face the shortage of minimum wage and ag workers here in the great state of GA. I understand your decades’ long commitment to your values and ethics has prevented you from having frequent ‘meaningful’ relations with your wife, hence only two offspring (isn’t that like 0% pop growth?) to help out with our national problems you so eloquently spoke about recently. I also respect your sacrifice in practicing abstinence as birth control as an example to our young folk. I guess the jellybean jar is pretty much at a constant level at the Miller’s. My condolence to the misses. Hey! Here’s a thought: Why don’t you adopt a couple dozen kids from right here in GA? Maybe this would help decrease the abortion rate from future mothers that don’t want to perpetuate a life of poverty (or even the quiet desperation that is the shrinking middle class in America) for their progeny! As a lawyer and former politician, I’m sure you know someone who knows someone that can make adoption for you here in the US a little less of a bureaucratic nightmare. No sense in spending hard earned American $ in Asia for the privilege.
Look forward to getting my change from a Miller at a drive through in the future! dave

By S. Rinehart

March 11, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

The comments addressing this article vividly point out the immaturity of the various posters as there is no rebuttal, opposing views, or attemps to put forth arguments. Name calling and verbal abuse are sure signs of a mind that has been programed and is unable to think for itself. Very sad. Thank you Mr. Miller for your viewpoint.

By John

March 11, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

I like Zell. I think he’s right on. The reason that there are so many hysterial posts about this article is because the posters know he’s right…and it scares them to death.

Thank God for Zell. It’s nice to recall what a patriotic Democrat looks like. There are so few of them these days…

By Dwayne

March 11, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Thank you Mr. Miller for being one of the few politicians who does stand up for what is right whether it is popular or not. The truth hurts, doesn’t it? God forgive us as a country for being so heartless. Even Hitler would have been amazed at how little we care about human life.

By Tony

March 11, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

For those who think Zell is right, would you care to elaborate with some facts and substance that back up such a claim? Anything claiming such would have to have a serious list of facts and evidence. This sounds like some knee-jerk blame every ill on one item when in fact if Zell was in touch he’d know that it was his own party’s (either one he’s on board with) fault for all of those events with none leading back to abortion.

I await some facts and evidence to those who claim Zell is right.

By Tom

March 11, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Wow.

All the comments here are amazing.

I find it particularly fascinating the fact that so many people here think Zell is wrong because in actuality most of these people would have grown up to be poor or in jail.

The amazing thing is this — regardless of whether that point is right or wrong, that critique is underpinned by the assumption that the issue is, in fact, about missing PEOPLE. Posters, you acknowledge their personhood.

Whether these PEOPLE would have been rich or poor, we’ll never know — because they were murdered.

And you acknowledge that fact.

By J. Daniel Donovan

March 11, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Thanks Mr. Zell for telling the “inconvenient truth”.

If we had the 45 milion plus people that were murdered via abortion we would have had some poorer people to do the jobs we need illegal imigrants to do and since the jobs weren’t there the immigrants wouldn’t have come.

With an additional 45 million plus people we would have had some rich patriots to serve in our military. Military people tend to be from wealthy families since they need to be intelligent and educated. The uneducated poor don’t pass muster.

With an additional 45 million plus people we would have had a huge number of people paying into Social Security (and medicare) to support the old 60’s nuts that are thank goodness getting ready to die.

The only negative for an additional 45 million plus people is they would probably be mostly Democrat as their abortive mothers are overwhelmingly Democrat. So, as they kill their own children, the country will become overwhelmingly conservative, God loving people and we will get past this disgusting part of our history.

By David

March 11, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

HE TELL THE TRUTH! 45 MILLION PEOPLE WHO WERE NEVER BORN. DOCTORS, HOME BUILDERS, TEACHERS..PERHAPS THE PERSON WHO MIGHT HAVE FOUND THE CURE FOR CANCER…I WAS ADOPTED AND I THANK GOD THAT I WAS NOT MURDERED BEOFORE I HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OTHER PEOPLE LIVES..IF YOU FEEL MOST ABORTIONS ARE NOT MURDER THEN YOU ARE BASICALLY A NAZI EUGENICIST MURDERER.

By slurms Mackinsey

March 11, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

Good heavens people. Why is there so much blind hatred here for Zell miller? The figure he quotes is not his own, it is a FACT. Now, a lot of you are screaming that these unborn would have not developed into productive citizens. How would you know? Frankly a portion of the people who were born will not grow up to be anything either. Why do you all think you have a right to judge the quality of the lost lives of the never-born? Fact is , you don’t. Period. I think the hysteria is a reaction springing from guilt. Perhaps unrecognized by the owner but there none the less.

By rjvestal

March 11, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this

for years…i have thought the same as zell miller…nature abhors any vacumn…40 million abortions and 40 million illegal and legal immigrants…all equals to few people to work..fill our military, pay into govt programs like social security…as well as set immoral standards for violence,corrupt corporations,and a host of others ills…can America survive? Look around…we are not surviving…we are dying and disappearing as a nation….just as the socialists,the abortionists,the atheists,the anarcists and the marxists want!!!

By Tony

March 11, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this

Illegal immigration has been a problem for decades even within 10 years of Roe, Reagan was granting amnesty for illegals. Social Security? It was only supposed to be temporary. We’ve been applying band aid fixes and dipping into the trust fund even before Roe. Military shortages? There is no shortage of eligible soldiers. There is a shortage of people who want to fight Zell and W’s “noble” war.

Keep in mind that you who say we’ve taken away millions of doctors, lawyers, etc. are assuming all who grow up in unwanted situations turn out to be productive. You also discount the added burden in society such as urban sprawl, traffic filled roads, schools with trailers, more not on healthcare coverage, a higher unemployment rate than we’ve seen now with all of those layoffs all over the country, etc. etc.

Again, there is no scientific evidence that abortion has caused those issues Zell speaks of. Actually more than anything the people he defends have more to do with this than anything. W’s wanting to allow those illegals to stay and become legal. What does abortion have to do with that? Illegals will come here regardless of abortion. They will come here because Americans would rather hire them illegally and not pay taxes than hire them legally and pay into the system.

Social Security crisis? Well since those Americans hiring illegals are cheating the Social Security system, can we start rounding up those Americans?

And again, with the military, who here wants to go to Iraq? There are still huge pools of eligible men and women to go to Iraq. Had Bush done the right thing to begin with, he’d not be in this situation and Zell could think of something else to excuse his own legacy for contributing to these problems.

Again, supporters of Zell I am waiting for some facts and evidence proving this. I am not asking for assumptions that 40 million would be upper middle class taxpayers and fighting in the military.

By Julianne Wiley

March 11, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

We Americans have killed 1/4 to 1/3 of our own population starting with people who would now be in their mid-30’s. That is, we decimated every age and class of every American demmographic category since 1973, while they were living in their mothers’ wombs.

(And don’t think it was “just liberals.” It was our mothers, aunts, sisters, girlfriends and daughters, too, and you know that’s true.)

That means each age group of Americans from age 33 on down is 25-33% SMALLER than it would have been without this incredible mass slaughter. Less entry-level workers. Less people paying into Social Security. Less young parents having children of their own.

Zell is absolutely right, and we should be saying it long and loud. Jihadists did not do this to us. We did it to ourselves.

By Anna

March 11, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Zell Miller is absolutely right.

Add to what he said that the cheapening of human life to zero has resulted in increased violence against children and women.

If it’s OK to kill a person before they are born, why not a while after or a few years or whenever?

Either we value human life or we don’t. Looks as though most don’t.

And therein lies a great deal of our problems. And as we often see as with the case of Laci Peterson, if they make the wrong choice about an abortion, it’s OK to kill the mother as well.

You can’t have it both ways. Either human life is sacred or at least counts for something or it doesn’t and anything goes. Advancement in embryology has told us this is a gruesomely painful and barbaric thing to do, religion and politics aside, and yet I see you still defend it.

I would say that maybe some should be made to eat what they kill but I suspect there are plenty of liberals OK with that as well.

No civilization can expect to survive killing its offspring in this crude and callous manner. We are pretty well doomed already and this will just speed things along. Party on.

By carmen

March 11, 2007 10:49 PM | Link to this

It takes courage to speak the truth when the majority are against you .

What has happened to America? Zell should be applauded for shining a light into the darkness.

By Smo

March 11, 2007 11:21 PM | Link to this

Yo Tony,

Since many of the aborted, in your opinion, would be unproductive citizens, and/or contribute to urban sprawl, high unemployment, etc., why can’t we just kill a few million welfare recipients? Or suburbanites who dwell in the “sprawl?” Or the unemployed? Those people will never amount to anything, right? Killing these people would solve some of our social ills, wouldn’t it (according to your logic)? If these people are such a burden, why can’t we abort them now? Who cares if they are post-fetus people? They’re too much trouble.

By Tony

March 11, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this

Amazing. I never thought I’d see so many “I agree with Zell 100% but I cannot back it up” comments in my life. Good to see Zell’s education reform missed out on teaching logic and fact in schools.

I guess we’ve lost 40 million brick masons, poultry workers, landscapers, and drones to be shipped to Bush’s glorious war in Iraq.

Again people…where does something legalized in 1973 have to do with issues going on even before that or even after when it still had not begun to affect those issues?

By David

March 11, 2007 11:30 PM | Link to this

It is a fact that not every unborn person would have been a great person..but isnt that what diversity is all about? Shouldnt those people been allowed a chance to live a life? or are you lovers of Hiltlers eugenicists?

By Smo

March 11, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this

Tony says: “Again people…where does something legalized in 1973 have to do with issues going on even before that or even after when it still had not begun to affect those issues?” Um, can anyone here translate? Is there a cogent thought or argument there? Talk about a product of public education.

No one knows who or what these 45 million dead babies could have become. Some would have been a “burden” on society, many millions others wouldn’t have been. These babies never had the chance to find out what their potential was because they were murdered. So I ask again, why can’t we just kill off the undesirable segments of society? If it’s reasonable and moral to kill potenitally undesirable people (i.e., “unwanted” babies), why stop the killing in the womb? You know, old people are a HUGE burden, what with medicare, social security, blah blah blah. What are their lives worth, really? We’d all be better off with them aborted, too. A burden is a burden. An unproductive person is an unproductive person.

I love the people who so smugly claim to know that these babies were better off never being born. Just wait until you meet your maker and he asks you to explain.

By Frank

March 12, 2007 12:31 AM | Link to this

Good for Zell. I guess we’ll never know if he’s right, will we!

By Jethro

March 12, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

I’m apalled at how coarse and dismissive so many of the comments are on here. Zell Miller never needed to write a book called “A National Party No More” he needed only make a comment like this and show everybody the foaming-at-the-mouth response from so many of you.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Let me translate, if you didn’t get it: What evidence is there that these theoretical 45 million people would have solved the problem of illegal immigration, Social Security running out, or the war in Iraq? NONE.

But it does give a chance for you foaming-at-the-mouth types an opportunity to cry about the legality of abortion. If you dislike abortion on moral grounds, fine. But don’t make up factual ideas or theories to support your moral position. There is no reason to believe we’d lave less problems as a society with 45 million more people. And all your screaming that “God would have blessed us” isn’t fact either, any more than creationism. It’s your moral opinion.

Now all of you, go take your meds. Maybe the logic will return.

By sandy

March 12, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

All of your parents were too stupid to get abortions!

By marty

March 12, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Why to go Zell!!!!! Some people refuse to see the obvious.

By Dan

March 12, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

What if a plague swept out nation and wiped out nearly 4000 people a day for 30 years? The people lost will cause a gap in workforce, healthcare providers, manufacturing, retail, tax revenue and military strength. The public would march the streets to demand a cure for that plague.
Now change that plague to abortion, and suddenly that national uproar becomes apathy. Now who is crazy, Zell Miller or our apathy?

By Tony

March 12, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Smo…if multiple posts didn’t clarify the question you must not be quick on the obvious. Simple. Prove to me that abortion had some major significance in causing those issues. Back it up with fact. Can you?

If you would take the time and read previous posts you could follow this logic here. You would also note that not everyone here attacking Zell is pro-choice. I am pro-life but cannot see any evidence proving Zell’s point. As a professor and public policy figure, you’d think that someone making these claims would back it up. A person teaching at an institution of higher learning typically backs up any thesis or statement like this with fact. Instead Zell chooses to toss a claim into the wind in some hope of appealing to the less rational, more emotional crowd to follow his statement lacking evidence.

You may agree with Zell all you want but if you choose to agree with statements with no fact behind them, it speaks volumes to your own line of thinking. God gave you a brain for free and independent thought. Use reason and not follow a bandwagon statement. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

By Dan

March 12, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

For all you posters demanding evidence that the loss of 40 million citizens is causing problems today, give me the evidence that global warming is causing problems. Give me evidence that the number of AIDS victims in Africa is causing an economic crisis in that country. Prove to me that Iraq would have been better off if the US hadn’t taken Hussein out of action. Prove to me that Plame’s alledged outing has hampered national security, but Sandy Berger stuffing his pants with confidential documents isn’t. Tell me how William Jefferson storing $90K in his office freezer isn’t a crime but Trent Lott praising Strom Thurmond is. Tell me why hurricane victims in Mississippi can rebuild after a storm but New Orleans can’t.

If you’re going to question Zell Miller’s logic, then explain yours!

By Smo

March 12, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

“What evidence is there that these theoretical 45 million people would have solved the problem of illegal immigration, Social Security running out, or the war in Iraq?”

What evidence do YOU have that these “theoretical” people would not have helped solve these problems? The burden of “proof” that these people would have been useless slugs lies with the people who supported their murder. The point is, we can never know who these REAL (real, not theoretical) people would have become because they were never given a chance to live. Where do you get off judging their “theoretical” lives as useless or burdensome? It sickens me.

Now I’ll add something to really tick off the raving liberals. I pray that God will touch your hearts, to help you see the evil that is abortion. I’m sure you’ll hate me even more for it, but you can’t stop me from praying for you. :)

By nbc

March 12, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Zell’s right. Lots of name-calling by the left to shut down any discussion that they are not equipped to have anyway. How can anyone be so dead inside that killing your own child is only murder in someone else’s opinion? Sadly, we have millions of older , angry and depressed women who’ve actually come to that terrible place in their hearts where they’ve realized what they’ve done. God help us all!

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

The burden of proof lies with those making the claim—-at least when following simple rules of logic and rhetoric. Which don’t seem to apply to the Zell-sheep here.

That’s typical right-wing blather—-make a claim with no evidence, then say it’s true unless disproved. Do you people believe in alien abductions? There are plenty of claims that haven’t been disproven, so they must be true. You can all now start living in fear that little grey beings will take you from your bedrooms and impregnate you with hybrid alien children. Good thing for y’all that abortion is legal.

By Jay.Mac

March 12, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Regardless of whether or not you agree with Zell’s opinion on what those 45 million people would have done- isn’t it more than a little troubling that 3,700 babies are killed every single day.

That’s horrific.

By Laurie

March 12, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

As a woman, I am deeply offended when other women start talking about their right to do what they want with their own bodies in regards to abortion. I would be all for abortion, if it didn’t involve the rights of two people, one of whom might be female.

I can’t determine ahead of time what contribution to society a child might make. And I refuse to determine a person’s value based on that possible contribution or lack thereof. When we set our own criteria for the value of life, we endanger our newborns, our elderly, our handicapped and our weak. “In utero” is just geography; it means that for a few days, God put a baby in a safe place to grow up a little. A few days of sacrifice to give that baby a chance to live. Pregnancy rarely costs a woman her life, but abortion is always intended to cost the baby hers.

I don’t want to be a society that disposes of those who slow us down in our race for more power, prestige and possessions. And yet we are. If you have ever cared for a child, the one thing you will learn is that you usually can’t get anywhere fast. Children have to go back and get their favorite toy. They have to stop and go to the bathroom. They spilled their drink on their clothes and need something dry. And you end up thinking, yikes, I can’t get anything done today. But maybe that’s what God planned; maybe that’s why He sends children. Maybe it’s so we can stop and live. Maybe so we can smell a flower or kiss a skinned knee. Maybe because the life we are living is killing us with it’s fast pace and fast food and late hours and self-absorption. Maybe God loved us enough to send us these children, to remind us that there is more to life.

And we closed our eyes to science and pretended it was tissue and not a growing child. And we yelled louder about women’s rights so we wouldn’t have to think about a child’s rights. And we talked about saving the whales and the seals (which need to be saved) because we knew life had value, but couldn’t admit that human life did, too. Because that would mean that we mothers, who were supposed to die for our children, had once chosen ourselves first and killed our little babies. And we couldn’t live with that idea, so we sing as loud as we can to cover the noise in our heads.

Fewer people mean fewer soldiers, fewer voters, fewer taxpayers, fewer children in our schools. When our country implodes, we may blame the republicans or the democrats or the economy, but we need to blame ourselves. Our actions have consequences.

By Ken Woodard

March 12, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

The average number of abortions in one day in the USA is greater than the entire number of US soldiers, sailors and marines who have died in the war on terror.

One week’s worth of abortions is greater than the number of US soldiers, sailors and marines who have been seriously wounded in the war on terror.

But it is Bush who is bloodthirsty.

The price of defending your freedom to call Bush bloodthirsty is too expensive if it requires the expenditure of several thousand brave American servicemen. But the price of 45,000,000 unborn children can be written off without troubling our consciences one bit, right?

By JS

March 12, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

As a former fetus, I am thankful for people like Miller, who although from a different party, speaks up for the unborn. For all of you assuming that those aborted babies were going to be crackheads anyway, maybe we aborted the one who would have found the cure for AIDS, or developed cures for cancer. Could be we aborted a future President who could have helped solve many of our nation’s problems.

I imagine many of you who jump to this argument dont believe in God either, yet you are willing to play the role of God and dictate who deserves to be born and who doesn’t. If you do believe in God, shame on you for wanting to destroy His creation. It isn’t up to you who deserves to live.

By Smo

March 12, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Typical left-wing blather — distort what someone says, then slam that person for something he never said. If you want to talk about simple rules of logic and rhetoric, base your arguments on the facts, not on purposely distorted words. I can’t have a reasoned discussion with people who continue to lie about what Zell said. He didn’t say that these 45 million dead would have solved all our society’s problems. Lie-distort-slam. Repeat. Repeat it often enough and the truth is lost.

THIS is the truth. This is what Zell said: “If those 45 million children had lived, today they would be defending our country, they would be filling our jobs, they would be paying into Social Security.” Go ahead and deny that the majority of these 45 million dead would be employed in some capacity today. It is laughable. The dirty little secret about liberals is that they pretend to be compassionate, but they actually view the lower classes, the minorities, as inferior. The liberals want “those people” to stay dependent and to stay on the plantation of welfare and dependency. Even worse, liberals don’t actually believe “those people” are as capable as the rest of us. They can’t succeed, can they? So why even give them the chance to be born? Shhhh, don’t let anyone know this is the way you think. What if the downtrodden, who overwhelmingly vote for the democrat party, knew that all your false compassion was nothing but a cover for your own superiority complexes and need for dependent constitutents to rule over…?

God, please touch the hearts and minds of those who support abortion and teach them the value of life.

By Steve

March 12, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

look at the robots drinking the koolaid. it must hurt their little brains. kill the babies, save the whales crowd is going bezerko.

By Tony

March 12, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Actually let’s look deeper into your ASSUMPTIONS rather than facts. Not all 45 million would be in the workforce now. You’d figure maybe about half would be in the workforce right now.

Of those, how many would be lining up to go to Iraq? How many would actually be employed since there are so many layoffs? How many would be filling up those jobs that illegals fill?

Had you actually followed my post and answered my question, you would not be on some rant about who is worth living, etc. I asked a simple question about how abortion led to those issues. The only rebuttal I have seen is assumptions that everyone born instead of aborted would be high payed workers, loyal soldiers running to war, or laying bricks or plucking chickens. Your rebuttal again has assumed this would happen. Your rebuttal does not take into account that no matter how many people pay into SS, the government dips into the pool and steals from it. Band aid fixes continue to the survival but slow bloodletting. Illegals will come here because Americans continue to hire them instead of legals. Perhaps Americans who hire illegals have more to do with the Social Security crisis. With 10-20 million illegals NOT paying into the SS fund, I’d say that is a huge reason SS is failing.

Again, give me viable stats and facts to back up such a bold claim.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

So you think it’s distortion that Zell was arguing that without abortion, the problems he cited would be alleviated? So exactly what was he saying? “Abortion is evil”? If so, why throw in the blather about Social Security, etc?

Look, if 300 million people can’t fill your military needs, you’re going overboard. With all this sanctity of life, you’d think having fewer people devoted to killing would be good. But not in the “pro-life” crowd.

Kill more foreigners good! Kill babies bad!

God, please touch the random collection of cells these people refer to as a “brain” and grant them the ability to reason, so they don’t bemoan the lack of human resources to wage war upon others. Amen.

By Tony

March 12, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Smo….I love how you respond to me without reading what I truly said. I never said all of these people would be worthless or responsible. I said your side has not backed up the claim. I have offered other considerations that Zell did not take into account. He has made an emotional claim while not backing it up. I have offered other factors that Zell forgot. And those same factors actually do more to disprove his claim than anything.

I am only asking you to back your claim up with facts. You assume every one of these people if alive would somehow wipe away illegal immigration as an issue, Social Security downfalls as an issue, and no one wanting to join the military as an issue.

Again, more people does not always equate to a surplus in SS Fund, more troops, and no illegal immigration issue.

I agree with Zell on the abortion issue that it is senseless. But to say these aborted babies would wipe away those issues or somehow be linked to abortion is a stretch. If this is true, where is the proof?

That is the problem in America. People love to stand in front of a camera and make bold claims. No proof is offered but yet people line up behind a factless claim and say it’s true.

By MIchael

March 12, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Wow - the hate on this thread is quite depressing. The logic behind abortion and crime rate reduction is weak at best. Those study(ies) were very politically motivated by those who are pro-abortion. Yes, it’s obvious that not everyone who was aborted would be a contributor to society, but most would contribute. We’re talking about nearly 50 million people aborted since 1973. How many do we have in prisons - 2 million? Do the math. Regarding SS, a couple of the major reasons for the low worker to retiree ratio is abortion on demand and lower fertility rates. Why do you think we’ve really been so lax on immigration restrictions since 9/11? States like MA wouldn’t be any larger in population over the last 35 years without immigration/illegal immigration. This is a no-brainer for anyone familiar with math. Just because academia wants to ignore the issue doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Don’t you think it’s odd that people aren’t familiar with studies on the negative impact of abortion on our economic system etc.? Wake up. How can the absence of 50 million young people not affect an aging population in a country with 300 million?

By Heet

March 12, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Yea boot stepping nowadays is required for people or little intellect like you. You think every person that calls themselves either rebubs or demos have to think exactly like you? when did that happen in either party or this country/ It is still USA last time I checked… history shows this pattern of ill-thinking in Germany at one time.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Gosh, I see the light now! I need to go get pregnant so I can supply babies to support political issues! Let me run down to the nearest bar and get knocked up!

Look, Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Zell is correct: by not producing enough workers to prop up a system requiring ever-increasing amounts of dummies at the lowest tier, Social Security will fail.

Guess what—-it’s not the job of my uterus to supply cash to senior citzens.

By Elizabeth

March 12, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Our nation was founded on the principle that all men are “created” equal… not “born” equal. Our nation was once divided over slavery and is now divided over abortion. Slavery was once a bad “choice” and abortion is a bad “choice” now… and for the same reason: we are all “created” equal… Dred Scott and Roe v. Wade have been shameful and horrific Supreme Court mistakes in our national history that have betrayed our very foundation. Legal slavery was finally recognized and banned as wrong and evil. Legal abortion is worse and deprives both liberty and life. Important “choices” need to be made before a human life is “created”… Once created, we are equal. Unwanted children need to be protected and adopted, not abused or aborted. The holocaust of 45 million innocent unborn children — 3700 every day — must stop. Women and children truly deserve better than abortion.

By Carole

March 12, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

As commenter number 212 I doubt many will read my response, but … I challenge those thinking that what Senator Zell is saying is nuts. Do the math yourselves and let the numbers prove whether choosing life over death is more fiscally sound. www.womenshealthnet.org has a few articles which address this and have been researched thoroughly. The cost to society is enormous. It’s sad to me that so many people would prefer to kill babies than to treasure life. How did we go so wrong in this area???

By Leslie T

March 12, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

It’s about time someone stood up and spoke the truth.

All you naysayers who have posted comments about how stupid Sen. Miller’s statements are ought to really stop and think about it.

And take a look at Europe …

By HUGH BRENNAN

March 12, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Zell is correct. Forget all your arious faith based ideas either pro or anti Roe.

Fact is there are 45 million missing Americans. Their place has been taken by 45 million immigrants.

Many, many of the aborted were from the lowest dregs of society and likely would have remained there. many, many of the new immigrants are also low-lifes and without any way to quantify a difference lets call that even.

However there are plenty of abortions of middle and upper class children and there are plenty of the poorest who would have pulled themselves up.

I cannot but feel that the 45 million missing Americans would have been a socially less disruptive element thant he 45 million immigrants who have taken their places. If nothing else, they all would speak English.

Again, Zell is right.

By Ken

March 12, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Zell is exactly right. The nut cases are the majority of people commenting on this blog. If we Americans can’t understand that killing babies, the most defenseless individuals on earth, is wrong, then God’s blessings will stop and America is done.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

I can do math, it’s the rationale behind your math that’s scary. Looking at babies as little cash cows doesn’t seem to be in line with all that sanctity of life stuff that is constantly being spewn.

Oh, and that article, BTW, does cite actual sources from other peer reviewed articles. The authors of the womenshealthnet.org article cite other legitimate sources, yet aren’t willing to submit their own article to the same process. That’s a wonderful way to borrow legitimacy for your own nutty theory.

I can write a “report” on ESP with all sorts of impressive citations from the CDC, JAMA, or whoever, but it doesn’t mean my ESP theory has any sort of legitimacy.

Not that any of you nuts really want to apply REAL logic. It’s just a farce. You don’t like the fact that women can legally choose to have an abortion.

You’d get a lot farther if you quit appearing like nutcases by spouting crazy theories because you see it as advancing your moral argument. Pseudo-science is spotted as such by most rational folk, and embracing it makes you look like a kook. Even if you have a valid moral point.

By Joseph Slife

March 12, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Would someone please tell me what Sen. Miller said that is factually incorrect?

The 45 million figure is from the Alan Guttmacher Instistute, formerly part of Planned Parenthood. (The Guttmacher figure is actually 42 million, through 2002 — see http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fbinducedabortion.html)

You might not agree with Sen. Miller’s entire statement, but what are the various societal impacts stemming from the fact that 45 million people who would otherwise be among us are not?

It seems there is a general unwillingness to take this matter seriously and to think about its implications.

Why?

By angel

March 12, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Fact is there are 45 million missing Americans. Their place has been taken by 45 million immigrants.

Um… Dude, this country is made up of immigrants. Unless it is only native americans getting abortions, your statement is completely pointless. A-Durr…

By Jessica

March 12, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Zell is right. We have a nation full of lazy, self-centered people who think all of their problems are the fault of others. It’s so sad that the value of human life has sunk to such a horrible low, that thousands of babies are killed each day at the hands of their uncaring mothers. Where has the instinct to protect a child gone? If the mothers are too young, then why aren’t grandparents, aunts and uncles stepping in to help? With all of the loving couples unable to have children of their own, why isn’t adoption an option for these unwilling mothers-to-be? I know the answer: it’s because they’ve been raised only to care about themselves, here and now. That is why they weren’t using birth control in the first place. And don’t even talk to me about instances of rape, or births which risk the mother’s life; those instances are such a minority that they are rendered off-topic. They can be handled on a case-by-case basis. What we are talking about are healthy babies which are being murdered each day because nobody is willing to step in and put a stop to it. Back alley abortions? Go for it. Our country should not have its hands stained with the blood of unborn children because selfish women insist on killing their babies. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for lashing out at Zell for voicing truths that we all should face.

By William

March 12, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

It’s interesting that the generic leftist reaction to Zell Miller’s demographic speculation is long on insults and short on argument.

45 million children who would have grown up to be American citizens have been judicially murdered since 1973.

Anyone who pretends that this seachange in American society has had absolutely no consequences is deceiving themselves - it is unsurprising that such wilfully blind individuals can find only insults to hurl at the truth.

By Bob White

March 12, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

The correctness of Miller’s central thesis would seem to be obvious (to me it is). To disagree is to assert that the 45 million unborn (minus some small percentage) would not be representative of similarly aged Americans. Why should we presume this to be true?

I write “minus some small percentage” because most people generally limit the number of kids they have to two; and most women who have abortions go on to have kids eventually. So some number of aborted babies were “replaced” in the population, but would not have been replaced had they been born.

Also, some number of the 45 million would have died in any case.

But this subtracted cohort still leaves several tens of millions of extra Americans. Regardless of the human value, which some perhaps undervalue, these people would almost certainly contribute to the nation’s economic product — how could they not?

I don’t get how this makes Miller a “kook”. The conclusion has no bearing on whether abortion is right or wrong or should be legal or not. The conclusion seems valid, prima facie.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

You might as well ask what the implications are of adding 100 million, or one billion to our current population. Nobody is arguing as to how much smaller the population is due to abortion.

What is incorrect is the assumption that an increase in population would solve certain problems. Which is what Zell is clearly doing, and to waffle around on that is crap. Please. Don’t climb on the moral high horse and then deny his (and your) motive for making the point.

If you want to think about implications, go ahead. But to make the bizarre leap that adding more future recipients to pay current recipients is solving the problem of social security—-well, that’s nuts.

It seems there’s a general unwillingness to admit this argument is a way to advance the idea that abortion should be illegal or unattainable. That goes right along with all the silly non-medical requirements like a 24 hour waiting period so the woman can “think”. Just be honest! You want to do whatever you can to limit abortion, even if involves lying or denying your true motives.

Why?

Because the ends justify the means for “pro-lifers”. It’s a pretty immoral way to do things for people who claim to be so moral.

By cam

March 12, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

For those of you hanging your hats on Freakanomics, you might want to double check those figures. They’ve been debunked in multiple places. I’ll bet none of you do because that would make you uncomfortable.

By Harmon Killebrew

March 12, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

The left wing tin foil hat crew is alive and well here. Zell is partially right, 45 million innocent babies murdered would make a huge impact on our society. Rant away you loonie lefties, Zell still rocks.

By Little Gilbert

March 12, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Wow. Liberals are really showing their true stripes here. I thought they were supposed to be caring, loving types. It’s obvious by their comments that they are heartless, murder-loving, cretins. Zell is hitting them where it hurts by telling the truth. Abortion is MURDER! Every woman has a choice; keep you pants on or off, the choice is yours. WHAT about the the BABIES CHOICE on whether he or she would like to live or not. You liberals sicken me.

By Vasago

March 12, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

I love folks like Tony and Aquagirl. We all have to hand-feed them documentation that proves our point…while they just sit back and spit out the same drivel any planned-parenthood “scheduler” would come up with. “Peer reviewed”…..that’s the best line yet! I’ve got news for you two, pro-lifers are well-studied in this area. If you feel you’re under-educated, go to the library yourself.

Here’s where Zell’s assumption is technically wrong. Studies of abortions after Roe have confirmed that Roe’s passing acted as a new form of contraception. While birth-rates declined 6% as a result of abortion (not sure the numbers, but this 6% is where Zell has an argument), conception rates increased by 30%.

The majority of children butchered with the approval of Tony and Aquagirl would most likely not have even been conceived without Roe.

All Roe did was tell people they could go nuts having sex without parental consequence. Thousands of pregancies were conceived and aborted by people who would have been much more careful without the protection of Roe.

And aquagirl, it’s “uter-US” not “uter-YOU”.

By Bill sponseller

March 12, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

try to dis him all you want … the man is correct.

By Vasago

March 12, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl, yes prolifers would like to stop as many abortions as possible. If a 24-hour waiting period does nothing more than irritate a ranting woman whose thirsty for blood TODAY, well, I guess call the waiting period “immoral” and put me on hell’s waiting list.

Your recent post makes reference to “100 million or one billion” so I’m wondering if you realize that the 45 million number is not hypothetical?? These are the numbers of babies killed in precious uterus’ like yours since 1973.

I’d certainly argue with you that it’s silly to assume that all of them would be productive members of society but just apply any decade’s census data to that group and it’s clear that a lot of good people are not here now.

Another thing that confuses me. You defend abortion and reject the “good people were aborted” argument with “well, how do YOU know” comebacks. How can you defend the killing of babies when you are just ASSUMING that they will turn out bad, but not defend the killing of KNOWN societal pariahs and parasites? Shouldn’t we be “putting down” sex offendors, murderers, rapists, welfare families, the sick, the elderly, and anyone else??

Instead of killing babies en-masse, let’s pass a “very late term abortion” law that gives the babies a chance. If they live up to the societal standards set by folks like Tony and yourself, we’ll let them live….if not….well, we can always convert-back the museums at Dachau………

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Gosh, I so am missing the point, Vasago, just point me to a single post on here that FACTUALLY supports the idea that abortion itself will cause the demise of something like Social Security. I must have missed it in all those “abortion is Murder!” ranting posts.

If you aren’t familiar with the term “peer-reviewed” that’s probably because you’re a semi-homeschooled religious nut who has no concept of scientific method. Or you spent your educational years protesting at reproductive clinics. But I bet you’re well studied at creationism! The idea of having others critically examine your idea on a basis of fact, not name calling, or continous crying of unsupported assertions, is beyond some people. Like, oh,—-you.

Oh, what a catchy line about a Uter-us! Did they teach you that at pro-lifer-drone Summer camp? Wow, devastate me with more witty logic like that. In the meantime, my uterus, despite your wishes to the contrary, remains under MY control. And it will in the future. This board has brought out the loony-righties, but America as a whole supports the basic right to an abortion. It will remain legal, even if Zell works himself into a stroke. BTW, that doesn’t seem too far away.

By holdfast

March 12, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

This may be a bit of a simplification, but I think Zell has the essence right. Let’s say that 5% of males and 1% of females in the 18-22 age cohort are likely to sign up for the military - if you increase that cohort, then if the % remains constant, the absolute number of recuits will clearly go up.

On the wider questions, the addition of 45 mil extra Americans over the last 30+ years would likely have a lot of complex, occasionally contradictory effects on the economy - more workers, more consurmers etc - maybe increased demand would have helped American manufacturing, maybe a surplus of wokers would have hurt wage growth - maybe both.

The “pull” exerted on illegal immigrants would have been less, but the “push” of crppy governance and economics in Latin America and elsewhere would be the same.

Either way, Zell expressed a reasonable argument, though it can certainly be (and should be) debated.

By Vasago

March 12, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl, that’s pretty sad. The uter-US line is actually from a Simpsons episode (Homer says it to Marge)…..but I forgot that liberals don’t have a humor gene. I imagine you spend your TV time in much more informed ways, right? I forgot that a little levity tossed a liberal’s way is as well-received as a grenade.

I do like the pedestrian name-calling though. Is “home-schooled…religious nut” really the best you can do?

And what was funny about your “peer review” comment is that you made it…period. If you are only doing research that supports YOUR opinion, then you aren’t doing research. From your comments, it’s clear you’re doing no research at all. Asking others to provide information, much less “peer reviewed” is silly.

Did you know that Roe resulted in an increase in conception of 30%? Are you capable of looking up a sufficiently (for you) peer-reviewed source for that? Once you’re convinced that this is a fact, does that number bother you? Abortion is an awfully vicious form of birth-control.

When you get a chance, visit theonion.com and get your smile back.

By bindare

March 12, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Look who’s ox Zell has gored. What Miller said makes perfect sense but not to the selfish narcisstic generation that Hollywood has spawned. If killing babies makes so much sense why don’t we just get them all. Abortion for everybody! If we did, do you jack-asses think that would hurt military recruitment in about 20 years? Do you think it would lower the take on the governments Social Security taxes if their were no babies born from now on? Do you think we would have to import workers if nobody had children to replenish society? If that would be the result of murdering all babies how can you mental midgets deny that 25 million abortion murders affects us today? You idiots who are bad-mouthing Zell can’t see beyond your own depraved self-absorbed little lives.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Actually, I like the Simpsons, but haven’t watched it regularly in years. Now, The Onion is a little more of a regular since it’s reading, not TV watching—you’re right that I don’t watch much TV. Maybe if you turned off the tube, I wouldn’t have to explain simple things to you.

Look, any theory can be pursued because of bias. Most theories require a bit of bias to get started, why would anyone pursue the development of a theory that they thought was dumb? The idea of “peer review” is that you can advance any theory or idea (like Zell is doing) but you have to defend it against attacks by anyone with acceptable evidence. This is why there aren’t many accepted “peer-reviewed” articles on the surgical implants of alien beings. Yet, you can find all sorts of articles, and even pictures all over the internet. Is this really news to you? No wonder you can’t grasp why Zell looks like a foam-at-the-mouth idiot to everyone besides ardent pro-lifers.

And levity or comedy requires something called “timing” and “context” if you introduce it into a conversation. While that was a good line, you have a strange delivery style. This may be connected to a general lack of social skills that is often exhibited by humorless christian coalitionists/pro-lifers. Since I’m not a “liberal” to most people, I’m not sure why you think I don’t have a sense of humor. If I could be as funny as the typical Conservative here, like Little Gilbert @ 3:53, I bet I could make a living in stand-up comedy. Or that wild and crazy Sadie Fields! Now there’s a woman who’s a barrel of laughs! Haw Haw Haw!

Oh, and after your Zelots are said and done on this board…My uterus is still mine. Praise Jesus.

Now THAT makes me smile.

By Chris

March 12, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

BRAVO, Zell! Abortion is the murder (i.e. intentional killing of another person) of innocent life. If we would do just two things - love our God with all our heart and all our soul & love our neighbor as ourselves, perhaps we would be more respectful of life. We are not meant to be uncaring, unfeeling, unloving beings.

By Paulie

March 12, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

I find it so interesting that people hide behind the phrase,”It’s legal” as if that makes abortion etc. okay. Slavery was legal in this land for generations here and in other parts of the world. If not for Christians who sought to rewrite the law, where would we be today? Yes, what Zell said may be hard to take. I know many of you just love to call him a nut cake and all. It is so easy to say that, if those babies had been allowed to live no one would have cared for any of them. Well I beg to differ, I know several women who have aborted babies and would give just about anything to bring that child back to life. They live with their error forever and it is the Christian community that supports them and assures them that even in this act, God is sovereign and is ultimately in control. None of us can say where those children would be today, but ole Zell is right in that many could be working and contributing to society in a positive way.

By Steve

March 12, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl, I beg you, please follow through on your promise not to use your uterus for procreation purposes and/or to help out social security. I’d rather do without social security than deal with your ilk in future generations. Cheers. :)

By marxbites

March 12, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

How is it ALL 45 million additional Americans would automatically be on the dole?

The assertion reaks of snobbery and guilt.

The point is that most of the clueless snivelers that automatically attacked Zell’s position, which is valid in many ways as explained by Holdfast, don’t have the first inkling about economics or history, and certainly not that of the past 300 years or so.

Rowe never should have been decided by the SCOTUS, it was a States right issue that worked to give the Fedl Govt even more power to address and decide on that which were never enumerated powers granted by the people to begin with.

Voters and not demigods decide those issues when it’s not already in the constitution via legislation and amendment.

We’ve further lost the favorable position as individuals and consumers of having the states compete for our residency. Marxist revenue sharing too has a similar effect.

For those who really love what America should have been by now, but can still be without a continuation of the past century of the people’s capital wasted on elite enriching welfare and warfare, may I suggest a very enlightening non-partisan source for multi-media scholarship regarding liberty? Start here, then jump around the site, the video and audio lectures are excellent.

http://www.mises.org/mp3/lefevre/101.mp3

For the lost ones already on the Chavez flavored koolaid, don’t worry your ditzy little brains about it, you could actually learn something about freedom instead of tearing it down in obedience to that vacuum cleaner in our back pockets. That just wouldn’t be cool enough huh?

For me, there’s nothing in man’s history as cool as liberty; it’s attendant property rights freedom of choice, and the prosperity that comes best from freedom, and only freedom.

What pains me most is the horrendous degree we’ve digressed from the tenents of the Declaration. Only six men that signed it also signed the Constitution contrived by the Federalists (nationalists), brought to what was to be a revamp of the Articles of Confederation re: common defense. Without the Anti-federalists, (the true federalists) insistence on a Bill of Rights, we’d have been a full blown tyranny by now as prophesised by Tocqueville.

Much like today’s classical liberals, in the Founder’s sense of limited govt and maximum freedom, with which I consider myself to be aligned, the Anti-federalists fumed that the Federalists had stolen the name least suited to them in pure propaganda, just like the classical liberals have since the Progressive socialists stole “liberal” away from them.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Steve, okay, you and your 401K are on your own. Much as I’d love to help out Social Security, after reading a post bouncing from “Rowe”, to Marxist revenue-sharing, to Anti-Federalism, zero population growth seems so much more attractive. Salud. :)

By Paulie

March 12, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

Say Aquagirl, You may think your uterus is only yours but, where did you get it? God grants life and all things we take for granted. God can allow all things to be taken away. How do you glorify him with “your” body? He is the giver of life, try being a little more humble in the future.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 9:12 PM | Link to this

You have a point.

God did indeed grant me, my uterus. So perhaps it’s up to me (and God), not you, Zell Miller, The State of Georgia, or the the International Harvesters Union to decide what’s going on in there.

And I need humility? You think God’s not doing a good enough job, so you and your wingnut friends need to help him out by using the government? You must believe in a very wimpy God.

By The Annoyed Man

March 12, 2007 9:46 PM | Link to this

45,000,000 babies - not 45,000,000 “blobs of tissue.” 45,000,000 human beings - not 45,000,000 “fetuses.” 45,000,000 beautiful little humans, sacrificed on the altar of selfishness, pride, and irresponsibility.

We reel in horror at the thought of 6,000,000 Jews and 3,000,000 other undesirables put to death by the nazis.

We are aghast, knowing that Joseph Stalin was responsible for as many as 43,000,000 dead.

We recoil at Mao’s toll of nearly 20,000,000 dead.

What do all of these dead have in common with aborted babies? Only a few would speak up for them. The rest of the world either acquiesced or celebrated them.

Say whatever you want, if you are supporting abortion, then you are implicated in the deaths of 45,000,000 precious lives, and you share in the legacies of Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong.

By Paul

March 12, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

You can’t take 45 million people out of our society without long lasting impact. Over 1/3 of the 45 million babies terminated because of abortion would now be in the workforce contributing to the economy. These individuals would be lesseening our needs on an imported workforce.

By Paul

March 12, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

You can’t take 45 million people out of our society without long lasting impact. Over 1/3 of the 45 million babies terminated because of abortion would now be in the workforce contributing to the economy. These individuals would be lesseening our needs on an imported workforce.

By Fred C. Dobbs

March 12, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

Zell’s right, of course, as usual. And the moonbats can’t stand it, also as usual.

You boys ever publish any news in that ‘wrap?

By Jana Rae Poling

March 12, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this

I totally agree with the last couple of posts. As I glanced through some of the other comments my heart was saddened. Whether or not we support the war or President Bush is not really the issue here. The truth is 45 million lives would make a difference to our economy. But as I stated before the war and illegal immigration really isn’t the issue here. These are lives created by God and to hear all of you making excuses for the murder of these innocent children should cause any sane human being to shudder. But our consciences have been seared and we are no longer saddened by atrocities such as these. We care more about endangered animals then we do human life. Who are we to say what an unborn life’s potential is? And even if that unborn has no potential we do not have the right to decide who lives or dies. Only the giver of life has that right.

1) A preacher and his wife are very, very poor. They already have 14 children. Now she finds that she’s pregnant with number 15. They’re living in tremendous poverty. Would you consider recommending an abortion?

2) The father is ill with syphilis; the mother has tuberculosis. They have had four children. One child has died, one is blind, one deaf, and one has tuberculosis. The mother is pregnant. Would you recommend an abortion?

3) A baby is born crippled and a dwarf. If that outcome had been predicted in advance, would you have recommended an abortion?

4) A white man raped a 13-year-old black girl and impregnated her. Would you recommend an abortion?

5) A poor teenage girl is pregnant and unmarried. Her soldier father disowns her and the child. She would name the child after the father and raise the child, while bearing the disgrace of illegitimacy. Would you recommend an abortion?

If you answered “yes”: 1) You would have recommended the death of John Wesley.

2) You would have recommended the death of Ludwig von Beethoven.

3) You would have recommended the death of Alexander Pope.

4) You would have recommended the death of the gospel signer Ethel Waters.

5) You would have recommended the death of Father Joseph Mohr, lyricist and co-composer of Silent Night.

By Aquagirl

March 12, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Wow, sharing in the legacy of Adolph Hitler—-that’s a lot of work without leaving my living room couch.

Seriously, who celebrates abortion? Do you see women leaving clinics, dancing around, then spiking their aborted fetus? Am I missing the special footage only shown on the 700 Club?

And since you’re both Annoyed (which implicates you would be motivated to action) and a man, why don’t you go hang out by a basketball court where there are some other annoyed men discussing how great it is to knock up their girlfriends? Try to keep them from dishonoring women and themselves, plus creating the need for an abortion.

I realize it’s much more dramatic to go throw fetal parts at 17 year old girls leaving reproductive clinics. And 17 year old girls are much less likely to whoop your behind for being a self-righteous prig. And it’s easier, as a man, to get all puffy about what women do. But those next 45 million whatevers are ready for your self-sacrifice. Go for it.

By leonard dyson

March 12, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

Man critize abortion and you guys go for the throat. Is every aborted child a future waste and drain on society? None could live productive lives if given the chance? Abortion preferable to putting it up for adoption? The abortion crowd are the ones who sound unhinged not Zel.

By Vasago

March 12, 2007 11:32 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl, so you’re a rabid choicer AND a man-hater. We’re all shocked. Oh, and you’re NOT a liberal. Yeah. Conservatives don’t disdain “conservative”…why do liberals refuse the label that fits them perfectly?

It’s interesting that you belittle a man’s part in abortion. Our govt. holds him legally responsible to pay for that child’s care for 18 years….yet he has no say in the abortion decision at all. Any ramifications on personal freedom there??? Oh, yeah…”he’s just a worthless man, get your hands off my uterus!!”

Regarding your uterine-focus, has it ever occurred to you that you once lived in a uterus? There’s little aquagirl, blessed to live-on and later foist hate on people she doesn’t even know. So much promise!!

Yet you don’t care about that future debater. You only care about the uterus housing little aquagirl. Well, pro-lifers care about that little girl…which is a hell of a lot more of a feminist than any of the self-righteous venom you’ve offered.

Maybe you should at least PRETEND

By Vasago

March 12, 2007 11:52 PM | Link to this

….finishing my thought.

Maybe you should at least PRETEND that you care at all about the actual babies that are butchered through the actions you defend so stridently.

Yeah, pro-lifers are the extremists.

By Aquagirl

March 13, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

You’re telling me to pretend? Only in the crazy Christian Coalition world does pretending count for everything. Now, I do care about actual babies, even boy babies. I just wish pro-lifers would muster some actual—not pretend—-concern for babies who have been born. That would include adults, who at one time were those precious little blobs of tissue that you seem so fixated on.

Really, if pro-lifers spent one tenth of the time helping former fetuses, better known as “children” instead of obsessing over zygotes, I might believe they were motivated by compassion.

Instead, it’s easier to declare yourself a Conservative Pro-Family Pro-Lifer, so you can set yourself apart from everyone else who are obviously Baby Killing Liberal Man Hating Anarchists. Yes, there are only two types of people who populate the entire world. You aren’t much for thinking, are you?

If you aren’t willing to buy Zell’s premise that if we fail in Iraq it’s due to abortion, then you love to kill children. Which directly leads to being a man-hating flag burning commie pinko. Gee—-maybe I dislike those who label themselves conservative, because they are so often too lazy to think. It surely isn’t because I’m what you might consider—in your teensy mind—-a liberal.

By bindare

March 13, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Got to hand it to you, Aquagirl. You are passionate. Your trainers should be proud because your brain washing is complete. Too bad passion does not compensate for your lack of logic, real morals and humanity.

By The Annoyed Man

March 13, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Aquagirl, your reply to me confirms that you care more about your precious uterus than you do about your basic humanity.

Go ahead and be that angry at everything. Revel in it. Enjoy it to its fullest measure. Get as much out of it as you can, because at the end of the day, it will be all you have to show for your life.

I feel sorry for you.

By dgraham

March 13, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

GIVE’EM HELL ZELL!

Zell is exactly right. A recent analysis by Kacie Dobson indicated much the same.

By JK

March 13, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Whoa… the anti-choicers have all ganged up on Aquagirl. Ooooo… the formidable angry mob. Hey angry mob: a woman’s choices are her own, just like Crazy Zell’s ramblings are his own to make. Either mind your own business, or identify yourselves as the American TALIBAN you wish to be.

By susanna

March 13, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Finally, someone has the guts to tell the truth about what is going on in this country! Kudos for Senator Miller and God help us if we don’t end thie scourge of abortion soon.

By Bigjohnomaha

March 13, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Finally we have someone with the gonads to tell the truth! Do the math people. 45 million people, lets say even if 10 million of those died for whatever reason, that leaves 35 million. Also, lets say that 25% of them went into the military, that is 8.75 million more soldiers. Lets also look at the remaining 26.25 million paying into social security each year. Using averages, $40,000 salary gives $2400 per person at 6% FICA, times 26.25 million equals $63 billion per year boost into social security! And you lib women, spare me the “get your hands off my uterus” crap! You let someone who I jokingly refer to as a doctor get there hands in your uterus to tear a baby apart. It’s not your body I care about, it’s the body of the baby in the womb that I care about. STOP MURDERING BABIES!

By Aquagirl

March 13, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

“It’s not your body I care about, it’s the body of the baby in the womb that I care about”

Nice of you to stumble in and confirm my earlier post…many pro-lifers show no concern for anyone who’s actually been born, especially women, we’re here just to spawn.

While I have avoided speculating more of an unknown number of people would be doing, saying that 8.75 million of them would be in the military just underlines your lack of intelligence. This isn’t Star Wars, where we’re cloning soldiers.

Oh, and the military pays social security too. Duh. If you had made an actual attempt to argue the benefits of having these extra paycheck-producers and cannon-fodder, you might look a little less like crazy Zell. Instead, it’s obvious that it’s simply made-up crap to try and cover your nutty screetching.

As for the “spare me” part, fortunately, the legal system of this country disagrees with your viewpoint, and considers me as more than a womb with legs. So…rant away, but bottom line…my uterus is still controlled by me. If it makes you feel better to fly off the handle, have at it. It’s not going to change anything, as much as you obviously hate it, and it won’t bring Zell back from insanity.

By The Pope

March 13, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

The biggest lie ever created by this country is that abortion is a woman’s right. We were all alive before we stuck our heads out of our mother’s uterus. Anyone that believes that life begins after birth is either ignorant or unwilling to accept the life inside them is a growing and moving entity. God made women for this purpose so in some sense they are just a “womb with legs.” But what on earth is more important than being able to give life? A career, the pleasures of sin, intellectual fulfillment, social intercourse? None of those are more important than a soul so don’t trivialize it with some falsehood that a life can be terminated because of a dubious “woman’s right.” The my body argument does not make it right.

By Aquagirl

March 13, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

So, we’ve heard that Bigjohnwhoever doesn’t care about my body, only the baby inhabiting it, and now we have the Pope admitting he thinks that God created women to be “wombs on legs”. Are there any new ideas here? Didn’t think so.

It still isn’t getting you anywhere, Pope…still my womb. Your moral self-assuredness as far as what I do counts for zip. Nada. Nothing. And despite your title, you don’t have more of a pipeline to the truth than any other human being. Funny how certain a lot of you are that God thinks just exactly like you do, and you would just love the chance to do his work, even if the poor unwashed folk want birth control, beer on Sundays, or the right to choose to have an abortion.

You’re so much smarter and moral than us, how can we possibly make the right decision without your physically controlling what we do? Especially us silly little legged-wombs, what with being distracted by things better left to men like careers or intellectual fullfillment. Everybody knows that we get abortions because we can’t think and be pregnant any more than we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Now we have the NEA letter flat-out stating that God’s creation is pretty low on the list of concerns, lest the nitwits get confused. Any deviation from gay-baiting or sexophobia is unacceptable, waters down the message of hate, and NOT what evangelicals are all about.

It seems to be a day of ‘fessing up for the religious right. It’s really refreshing when y’all tell the truth, maybe you should try it more often.

By Bigjohnomaha

March 13, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

You got me wrong aquagirl, you can do whatever you want to your body. I am saying that you do not have the right to the body inside the womb. That body belongs to another person, the baby. Pope is right, by nature, women give birth. Men cannot. If a woman doesn’t want to give birth, then she has a couple of options: don’t have sex, have a hysterectomy. Yes, there are chemical means but those bring a number of health problems. Aquagirl, it just sounds like you are mad that you were born a woman. Yes, pope and I have morals. We do have a problem with murder. Our country was created on a Judeo/Christian model. Most of our laws were written around religious values, like it or not. Without morals or the laws based on morals our society will surely perish.

By Aquagirl

March 13, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

our country was created on a Judeo/Christian model——our laws were written around religious values——

Wait, let me fill in the next part for you—-The founding fathers intended this to be a Christian nation—-God has blessed America over all other nations—-

You sheep are easy to spot. Keep bleating that over and over. You accept history as written by Pat Robertson. Sad, but hardly surprising. Your opinion on history, unbased on fact, means as much as your opinion on the use of my uterus…Nothing. Zip. Nada. And it’s just as unenforcable, thank GOD.

By Helldog

March 13, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

This man is a complete disgrace. Please someone put a sock in him for good. He has no business speaking in public ever again.

The good news is this; whoever uses him now loses all credibility immediately.

By Rick in Lawrenceville

March 13, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Poor Zell, please put down your crack pipe for a moment. Yeah, without abortion maybe there would be 45 million more people to pick fruit and roof homes…but I really doubt it!

By Bigjohnomaha

March 13, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

O.K. aquagirl, like most libs, you cannot debate me on the issues, so you resort to name calling. First of all, I do not follow Pat Robertson, I am catholic, I listen to the real Pope(the one at the Vatican). Secondly, I do care about children after they are born. I have 3 kids, love them more than anything. Thirdly, the “cannon fodder” soldiers that you refer to are our heros. Without them protecting us, we would not be having this pleasant conversation. Those numbers were hypothetical that I used based on averages. Anyone with a basic grasp of statistics would understand that. If you hate this country as much as you say, why are you here? I suggest you get a history book that was written on facts and not one that some revisionist wrote. Guess what, I have read a number of history books.

By The Pope

March 13, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

You are correct young lady, you will be judged on your choices. Look a little harder into why you have such hate for the truth. Don’t be so quick to dimiss the Bible because some false prophets twist its authority for their owns purposes. Hate can harden your heart to God, let it go.

By Aquagirl

March 13, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Okay, BigjonnBlahBlahblah, I was debating you on the issues. Issues like…what numbers you put forth concerning these 45 or 35 or whatever million extra “economic units” you settled on.

Like the fact you know zip. Nada. Nothing. About military pay, even though you are quick to paint yourself as such an admirer. Where were you while those guys were fighting off the rats at Walter Reed, protesting at an abortion clinic? Just admiring the heros doesn’t do much. Our military has long been underpaid, short-shifted in medical care, and generally ignored despite the legions of admirers like you. The fact that you and Zell are bemoaning aborted lives because of your percieved value to fill out military ranks is disgusting. I thought life had value, and you’re discussing it like it’s a bunch of poker chips.

Now that was an off -topic rant, the subject of our people in uniform is one that gets me riled up.

But back to the matter at hand..I criticized your lack of thought on the economic side of the issue. You clearly pulled some numbers out of your, uh, out of the air. I called you on it. You then fell back to the BabyMurderer! squawking, since your arguement (and Zell’s) has absolutely no evidence, and is being promoted by people like you, and Zell, who have a real fuzzy thought process.

Nice that you’re a Catholic. You speak history just like Pat Robertson, no doubt those are the history books that you cite. That just proves that your “Christianity” has more to do with this strange flag-waving cultism, rather than the teachings of Jesus or your own professed religion.

Oh, and I know about military pay because I’m one of those people that spent six years making sure we could have this discussion. Seeing as how I’m heroic, could be trusted to defend my country, handle a weapon, and do all that other stuff, do you think you could see fit to let me control my own body? Probably not. My deep-seated hatred of a country that I served must be distorting my thinking on that one.

Hey, Pope, your sanctimonious side is on display. I’m sure you’re here to give me the absolute truth on the Bible, abortion, and everything else. And when did the bible enter this? When did I dismiss it? Dismissing the Falwell Theory of America isn’t the same as dismissing the Bible. I realize that’s a unknown distinction to some of y’all.

By Nither Odinsson

March 13, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

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By Nither Odinsson

March 13, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

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By Liza

March 13, 2007 11:12 PM | Link to this

Absolutely! But why not go a step further and forbid pregnancies - that would CERTAINLY make the problems go away in a few decades…

By Nither Odinsson

March 13, 2007 11:17 PM | Link to this

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Not A Father

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By Randy B.

March 14, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

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March 9, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

A 10 week old zygote is not a baby you morons! If it is then why don’t your churches hold funerals for miscarriages? Why no grave or grave stone for an early miscarriage? Hypocrites! Stop romanticizing a fertilized egg. It’s all about controlling women. >>

No, Sheela, it’s about saving a human being’s life.

First of all, a 10-week old fetus is no different from you or me except in size. It is fully human and cannot biologically be anything less.

Secondly, there are churches that DO provide funerals for miscarried babies. The Roman Catholic Church is one of them. It provides funerals and burials at no cost for those babies who die via miscarriage.

I’d suggest knowing your facts—all of them—on abortion before you start spewing the left-wing, anti-life line.

By DKipp

March 14, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

Let see, Social Security was built on the premise that the retiring population would always be smaller than the population supporting it. Three things happened after this law was enacted: 1. The baby boomers, 2. The introduction of the birth control pill, 3. Abortion on demand introduced by the Supreme Court. Each one of these put a nail in the very premise upon which Social Security was built. The baby boomers created this huge population bubble, the pill reduced the number of births, and abortion reduced the number of births even further. Sounds pretty logical to me. Why do people look at the unborn as a liability rather than an asset? Just think we may have aborted the very person who could have solved Global Warming or the energy problem… To all of you responders: Had abortion on demand started back in the 50’s two of every three of you would not be able to write to this comment section. And to finish, in honor of Exhales email cards to the comfort the woman who had an abortion (actually in this case in honor of the unborn baby/fetus): Roses are red, violets are blue, I am still alive, to bad I had to abort you…..

By Missy

March 14, 2007 11:07 PM | Link to this

If any of you would watch an abortion taking place just once, most of you would change your mind and not talk so cold hearted. They aren’t blobs, they are fully formed, their little hearts are beating… And then there is partial birth abortions…I could cry just thinking of it. Those are fully developed little people that cry while they are being butchered… Go, watch one, just once, then come post what you think… By the way, I’m not a right wing Christian whatever you said… I am a Christian though, and I love all human life before and after the womb…all God’s little beings.. I feel sorry for some of you the way you talked, so cold blooded…. All I can say is God bless you and I hope one day you will see the light, understand that all life is precious and deserves the right to live…. And alot of these babies aborted are not killed because their moms or dads were poor and ignorant, they were killed because their rich, white- black, whatever color parents didn’t want to be bothered by a child. It didn’t fit into their plans…thir careers came first…all selfish reasons…

By cmjturner

March 15, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

You’re absolutely correct Governor Zell. Payment for “choice” is hell. A Holy God will not be rebuked!

By Joe

March 15, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry Zell, they thought John the Baptist was crazy also.

By Robin

March 15, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Abortion is wrong. I don’t know what my child would be doing right now had I kept him rather than aborting him. But I know that though I thought I was ill equipped to have a baby at the time - and so (selfishly) decided to abort … that the price was too high. Death to my child. Years of grief, self destructive behavior and mental/emotional pain for me. Abortion is wrong. My child will not return to me, but I will go to him. (Because of the amazing grace, mercy and love of Jesus Christ)

By Steve

March 15, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Zell, please just defect already, and take Joe Lieberman with you. What an embarassment.

By Lisa

March 16, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

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By WS

March 16, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Zell is correct. Abortion is immoral and puts a drain on Social Security. Another point to be made is that for every aborted child there is an illegal immigrant child from across our southern border to replace him or her. Soon the black and Caucasian race will be the minority. Our American culture will be lost forever.

By Aquagirl

March 16, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Great way to combine the crazy racist “illegal immigrants will take over” worldview with the crazy “abortion is responsible for all the ills of society” worldview. Y’all just keep coming back to the kool-aid tub to top yourselves, don’t you?

Go back to building your Terri Schiavo memorial and ironing your pointy hood. Your nutty post hasn’t changed the fact that my uterus—-still mine.

By Dan

March 16, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

To Aqua-chick, how in the world can you think kill an unborn child is better than taking personal responsibility? A couple square miles of ice is alledgedly melting in the north pole and YIKES! YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING- NOOOOW! Kill off a small nation worth of babies, Oh, well, big deal. You left turn wingnuts are the ones twisted on wrong.

By Nither Odinsson

March 17, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

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Aborted Survivor

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By Georg

March 21, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Perhaps Zell Miller could be the adult sponsor of the Bush-Jugend. I recall that Miller, who at 75 seems to be careening crazily into the ravages of dementia, once proposed a national “Board of Shapers of Opinion” that could advise the mass media of what the government considers unaccapteable or acceptable. He also proposed an asinine amendment repealing the 17th Amendment to the Constitution of the U.S., taking away the right of direct election of Senators from the people and giving it back to state legislatures. Like his spiritual ancestors Joseph Goebbels and Heinrich Himmler, Zell is just a hillbilly with delusions of grandeur. His commitment to a mental institution is urgently desired. He reminds me of some of the clods in the Europe I left behind seventy years ag.

By Nither Odinsson

March 21, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

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