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The Mark Foley effect in Georgia

If there were two men who silently — or otherwise — cursed the name of Mark Foley this weekend, they were Mac Collins and Max Burns, the two Republicans trying to unseat U.S. Reps. John Barrow of Athens and Jim Marshall of Macon.

National Republicans, through their own spending and through 527s, have sent hundreds of thousands of dollars South on behalf of Collins and Burns. Georgia’s 8th and 12th congressional districts have been viewed as rare jewels — vulnerable Democratic districts that might help offset the predicted anti-GOP sunami in November.

The key GOP argument used down here? The nation must be saved from the Democratic rule of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Foley, a Florida Republican, abruptly quit Congress on Friday after reports surfaced that he’d sent sexually charged electronic messages to boys working as pages. But within hours, the story shifted to what members of the Republican House leadership knew of Foley’s predelictions, and whether they ignored several years of warnings.

It makes it much harder to portray Pelosi as a threat when you’ve got someone like Foley impeaching your own leadership qualities.

3:30 p.m. addendum: Just got off the phone with a Democratic operative, having posed the question of whether we’re likely to see TV ads on the Foley scandal.

Right now, he said, the story was moving too quick to draw a bead on — but if it were to become a fully flowering, three-week media obsession, then there would be no need.

While we were chatting, someone e-mailed us a TPM Cafe link detailing what Republicans have received money from Foley’s political action committee, the Florida Republican Leadership PAC.

Recipients in 2004 include Johnny Isakson, then seeking a U.S. Senate seat, and Burns — who was then an incumbent member of the House, soon to be defeated by Barrow. Both received $1,000.

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By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Amen—the Republican House leadership has known of Foley’s proclivities for years just as when my daughter was a page and was instructed by the program that the Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich’s mistress was code name—The Duchess— while he still was on wife number two. Such for republican morals!

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Oh poor Mark Foley—now I understand you are entering Rehab because alcohol made you do it! Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

By Mary

October 2, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

I think the only thing the Republican party now stands for is making government safe for big business. None of their talking points matter, just big business. And the protection extends to the races for judicial positions too. Take the race between Justice Hunstein and Washington based neocon lawyer Wiggins. Local Republicans, the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce and Democrats agree that she is an impartial judge. But the National Chamber of Commerce has targeted her and in conjunction with many corporations is funding her opponent who does not live in Georgia, has limited acquaintance with Georgia law. It is all about protecting big business. Everything else is smoke screen.

By Go M $ M's

October 2, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Republicans are sickened by Foley…Dems made excuses for Clinton, Barney Frank, Kennedys and countless other perverts. Republicans get rid of their rotten apples…Dems (great humanitarians that they are) make applesauce and give it to the poor. Nancy Pelosi is still a leftist-liberal-lover of illegal immigration and values-challenged federal judges.

By joe

October 2, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

This reminds me of the Catholic church cover-up with pedophile priests. It is disgusting that the Republican leadership did not have the moral wharewithal to stop this pedophile. To put politics before the safety and well-being of the young men and women who were sent to serve as pages is inexcusable. I am no bleeding heart liberal, but this conduct should be condemned by all, and the leadership that knew about Foley should be stripped of their leadership roles.

By Flashman

October 2, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Why are you suprised that members of the Party of Lincoln would engage in this type of behavior? Lincoln after all is reported to have slept in the same bed with his law clerk for years and did the same in the white House with the head of his security staff. Log Cabin Republicans anyone?

By disgusted republican

October 2, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Go M $ M’s how do you explain the house republican leaders failure to take action when they were informed over a year ago? I thought the republican leaders had morals. They don’t and the only differences in the dem & rep is who is in power.

By Jax

October 2, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

The GOP party of the religious right hypocrtis - how many more are hiding in Congress and how much more does it take for the voters to realize absolute power corrupts absolutely. Put checks and balances back - Only the voters can do it. This election season politics is NOT LOCAL. It is about the direction of this country, the reputation of this country and the real protection of this country. Don’t be fooled again. These are not the conservatives they claimed to be.

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 1:04 PM | Link to this

The Republican Party is not alone—the Democrat Party is just as bad—in the fact the whole country is filled with moral reprobates in varying degrees of severity. One thing this nation is not—and that is Christian!

By Tony

October 2, 2006 1:18 PM | Link to this

What is sad is that this guy was heading the whole discussion on child abuse and online predators. I guess he took his work home with him?

Now all that money will be diverted to Foley’s district to make sure that district stays in the family.

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 1:30 PM | Link to this

Richardson R-NY told Republican Speaker of the House Hastert over a year ago—he pleads memory loss—-CIA Chief told Condi Rice of impending major terrorist attack pre 9/11 and she pleads memory loss. Remember how Reagan in Iran-Contra was constantly pleading memory loss. Excuses Excuses Excuses

By Debbie

October 2, 2006 1:31 PM | Link to this

When the House leadership heard about Foley, they referred it law enforcement.

The difference between Republicans and Democrats in thses type of situations is that the Republicans have shame and resign. The Democrats don’t have shame and don’t resign..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983Congressionalpagesexscandal

The 1983 Congressional page sex scandal was a political scandal in the United States involving members of the United States House of Representatives.

On July 14, 1983 the House Ethics Committee concluded that Rep. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.) had engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages. In Crane’s case, it was a 1980 relationship with a female page and in Studds’s case, it was a 1973 relationship with a male page. Both representatives immediately pleaded guilty to the charges and the committee decided to simply reprimand the two.

However, Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) demanded their expulsion. On July 20, 1983 the House voted for censure, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct. Crane, who tearfully apologized for his transgression, lost his bid for reelection in 1984. Studds, however, refused to apologize and even turned his back and ignored the censure being read to him. He called a press conference with the former page, in which both stated that they were consenting adults at the time of the relationship (the page was 17 at the time) and that it was therefore not the business of others to censure them for their private ephebophilic relationship, and he continued to be reelected until his retirement in 1996.[1]

In 2006, a scandal involving Representative Mark Foley (R-Fl.) engaging in explicit internet conversations with teen pages led to the Congressman to resign and check himself in to an alcoholism rehab clinic—prompting comparisons to the 1983 scandal.[2] In the Foley scandal, however, key differences emerge: the original basis of the Foley scandal was sexually explicit correspondence, and not sexual contact; the Congressman resigned instead of fighting an investigation; and the matter was escalated to a criminal investigation at the request of Republican Speaker of the House J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.).[3]

By Jax

October 2, 2006 1:38 PM | Link to this

Democrats do not claim to be the morally superior - it is the hypocrisy of the right and those claiming to live by so called Christian principles on the outside and criticizing those with different faiths and ideals. You cannot legislate morality or conscience or infuse one faith’s doctrines into government - well - you used to couldn’t.

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 1:53 PM | Link to this

In response to Debbie—the Bush White House is not the problem—it is the Republican leadership of which Gingrich was at one time a part— when as I said my daughter was a page instructed to understand what the code name “The Duchess” meant—ie mistress of Speaker Newt Gingrich. Now having married for the thrid time he is once again offering himself to the American voters and he did not step aside as all the pages knew he was living in a state of adultery. Is this moral hypocrisy or OK if just confined to the minds on Capitol Hill—my 16 year old daughter’s mind at the time included?

By Debbie

October 2, 2006 2:54 PM | Link to this

David, as far as your memory loss comments regarding Rice, funny how it was not mentioned in the 9-11 Report.

Woodward is just trying to sell books. He does not like conservatives or Republicans.

The bottom line is Clinton was too busy playing hide the cigar with a Whitehouse Intern to hunt for Bin Laden. He had chances to capture him and did not.

Bin Laden looked at the reaction Clinton had to our servicemen’s bodies being dragged through the streets in Mogandishu and thought America week. Clinton turned tail and ran. Bin Laden decided to stage the 9-11 attacks after that event. Any doubt in your mind that W would not have? Don’t even attempt to blame 9-11 on Bush.

By buck

October 2, 2006 2:59 PM | Link to this

Did Foley miss the first rule of being a public figure: never get caught with a dead girl or a live boy?

You gotta love them family values.

By Brian

October 2, 2006 3:17 PM | Link to this

Let’s just be clear: It is Republican Sen. Johnny Isakson and Republican congressional candidate Max Burns who have taken contributions from Mark Foley over the years.

Both men should apologize for taking money from Foley and make donations to charities for the amounts they received.

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/oct/02/gopcandidatespressuredonfoleysdirtymoney

By HELLINAHANDBASKET

October 2, 2006 3:28 PM | Link to this

I know that the first accusation will be that some how all Republicans are responsible for this and that is simply not true, just like all Democrats are not responsible for Clinton’s actions. This is not about partisan politics it is about a manipulative, evil pedophile who should be put away for life. Anyone, no matter your party, gender or religion or any other label you wish to attach to someone, should not be allowed to use their position of power over someone else to use for their own personal pleasure. I am not shocked at this revelation of Foley’s evil because as we all know this type behavior is rampant in our society and sometimes even lauded and promoted especially when it comes to young girls and older men…think of all the jokes and innuendoes about cheerleaders, Catholic school girls etc. its sickening and perverted and until the ones who are primarily responsible for these acts (men) then nothing will be done. You cannot tolerate and excuse one form of sexual deviancy and not another. Foley should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and made to register as a sex offender…I would prefer something more harsh but I am a law abiding citizen. I am confident the Dem/Lib’s will be the first to trumpet the call that all Rep’s are like this and that is unfair, biased and down right bigoted to all concerned. I am hopeful but not very that the political party name calling and election bashing will be put aside and we treat this animal for what he is, not a Republican that is the least of it but a dangerous pedophile.

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 3:28 PM | Link to this

Debbie—I have not blamed 9/11 on George W. Bush but on the failure of national security be it under a perverted adulterer’s watch or a warmonger’s watch. I, this Friday endorsed Condi Rice for President of the United States in Political Insider’s “crystal ball” blog. Both parties are filled will literal w*******, warmongers, and political—nonliteral— whoring. I wish I could be so certain of the Republican Party as you are. I think as Christians the Republican Party is taking Martin Luther’s admonition to the “saved” to “sin boldly” because they are already “forgiven” a little too far. But there is little if any difference as Mama Barbara and Daddy George Herber Walker Bush have vacationed more with the Cliton’s at Kenneybunkport in recent years than with their own son the President. Both Daddy Bush and Bill Cliton at least had enough sense not to remove Saddam Hussein and lead to this whoring morass in Iraq that W. has lead us into.

By Jarrod

October 2, 2006 3:32 PM | Link to this

Debbie, Debbie, Debbie: Woodward has tapes of his interviews with the people - they even played Cheney on 60 minutes last night with Woodward, he has documented every conversation and even has back up documentation. The previous two books Woodward wrote were favorable toward the president and the administration - so You say he doesn’t like conservatives - you should research before you make such a statement. I think you should read the book and the documentation cited.

You, my dear, are never going to be convinced no matter what evidence or proof is given to you — even when presented with bold faced facts - This is the pre-empted BUSH WAR. In fact I have stopped referring to it as the Iraq war. Bush started this war and yet he is going to walk away and leave his mess for the next president. That just about turns my stomach inside out.

And you seem to forget the 8 long years of Clinton bashing that went on by Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich and Bob Barr from all sides of the right. Now Bush supporters don’t like it when they are the brunt of all the bashing.

By VOICE OF REASON

October 2, 2006 3:33 PM | Link to this

Before all the name calling starts let’s face the facts this is a dangerous and perverted animal who is a Republican, just like Clinton was an adulterer who is a Democrat. The political party labels are not important, the facts are…Foley is a loser and a pedophile and let’s treat him like the scumbag he is BUT let’s not blame those who were unaware of his behavior or generalize that all Republican’s are somehow responsible…that’s like saying all men are pedophiles or all Democrats are lying adulterers…it does a disservice to our entire nation when the venom spewing bigots angrily lump all into one pile. A Voice of Reason from the Left

By VOICE OF REASON

October 2, 2006 3:43 PM | Link to this

DAVID FRANKLIN - rather than remove bin Laden from power he instead took a ‘campaign contribution’ from a Saudi Prince who was a huge supporter of bin Laden. And yes you name call, Bush is a war monger etc. that to me means you are not a credible person, name calling and bashing without facts or truth is oft times ridiculous but always wrong. That same national security you blame was intel gathered under Clinton’s watch and the elder Bush’s…hmmm, and what of Clinton’s revelation ‘I tried for 8 years to get bin Laden and failed’ then ‘Bush had 8 months’….who is the bigger failure. And add that Bush had to work off of Clinton’s and others failed intel…at least if you name call and point fingers of blame do it to the correct people. I wonder what did Clinton do about Saddam…oh, I remember now he promised support then withdrew it…giving thousands hope then left them to suffer at the hands of an angry and vicious dictator while he made excuses. Get your facts straight and face the truth…Bush is not necessarily the best President we have ever had but he is certainly not all you claim and not the worst. I voted for Clinton and was appalled at his actions and the fact that the media refused to call him on his behavior both personal and public but I guess I am of the rare breed of Democrats that is not afraid of the truth like I have found over the years so many of my brethren are. If Democrats really cared they would hold accountable both parties, equally and quit with the whining and bashing and get down to the business of representing the people of the United States…I know we are capable as a party of doing it but I wonder are we committed enough and are we willing to face the truth about our own failings as a party.

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 3:58 PM | Link to this

VOICE OF REASON—I am neither Democrat nor Republican but I do have enough sense to know neither WW II hero George Herbert Walker Bush or perverted adulterer Bill Cliton wanted to take Saddam Hussein out as the warmongering Hallibuton friendly George W. Bush did in Iraq— leading to this sinful bloody morass that I trust President Condi Rice will get us out of once she is inaugurated,

By VOICE OF REASON

October 2, 2006 4:14 PM | Link to this

DAVID FRANKLIN - you may be a member of either party but you are a divider and you do not tell the truth. The only thing you seem to do with some consistancy is beat your chest while making immature and inane accusations and name call…thats it. Your bias is very clear and until you grow up and realize that no one person is responsible for the state this Nation is in..it is you and I and millions of other Americans and to bash anyone because of their political affliation is against all that America stands for. I disagree with some things my fellow ‘Republican’ citizens believe but I also disagree with some that my brethren Democrats believe, there is room on both sides for improvement and if you cannot see that and adjust your venom spewing accordingly and use some semblance of maturity and good reason you will forever be part of the problem and not the solution.

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 4:22 PM | Link to this

VOICE OF REASON—I totally agree with your own name-calling of Mark Foley—“perverted animal”—great name-calling from someone who professes not to name call—are you really Voltaire—“voice of reason”??????

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 7:59 PM | Link to this

No-NO—NOBODY or INSTITUTION will silence me—I am determined to defend my freedom of speech and press—this country is a deliberately designed by our “Founding Fathers” to be a “Godless Contitutional” society—so sad, so many uneducated in American History are led into believing mistakenly that this is a “Godly USA” when it was finally the Roman Catholic Church which was determined during the Eisenhower Administration to get “Under God” inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance. Our chief Founding Fathers would flip over in their graves today to know that a Roman Catholic majority—not Protestant or Diestic majority—sits on our Judicial Tyranny—ie the Supreme Court. Finally, Amen!

By GC

October 2, 2006 8:02 PM | Link to this

Recent revelations that the House Leader-ship knew about Mark Foley’s innappropriate/ possibly illegal conduct and did nothing about it puts the matter on another level. It even goes beyond party affiliation and political philosophy to the question of whether as a nation, we want leadership that fails to act when this kind of stuff is made known to them? Failure to act in effect condones the misbehavior. That kind of leadership ought to be voted out of office plainly and simply.

By Tony

October 2, 2006 8:55 PM | Link to this

Debbie as usual you are clueless. Woodward was right about the meeting and the 9/11 Commission has corroborated it. I guess your knee-jerk ignorance shows itself again.

As for being another Republican who always flips scandal around to say Dems do it too, does that make it right? Does being aware of some strange behavior and not doing anything until it is too late mean anything? Perhaps only after ABCNews came to him to ‘out’ him did he see the writing on the wall. Had Congress not been so closely in play I’d love to have seen how this would have transpired.

By Meltdown

October 2, 2006 9:08 PM | Link to this

Maybe we need to quit referring to them as “leaders”. I don’t need a leader - I need a representative. Simple minded little Fascists need il Duce, der Fuhrer, or a Dubya. Last time I checked the Prez was supposed to be the head of one of the three branches of govt. I know, silly me.

By James

October 2, 2006 9:24 PM | Link to this

That’s absurd. How in the world are two men who are not even in Washginton tainted by something that happened there? Quite a stretch, even for your two who take every opportunity to slam the Republicans.

By David Franklin

October 2, 2006 9:42 PM | Link to this

Conduct such as Mark Foley’s was the norm in classical or ancient Greece and Rome—but so too was slavery. Is the Republican leadership in the House going to condone that by covering it up or accept full responsibility as their own Republican Congressmen have said about it since at least 2001. Again my daughter was informed at age 16—now age 24— that Newt Gingrich’s mistress was “The Duchess” and to treat her with proper???? respect as he was still married to wife number two!!!!!!!

By Liz TYLOR

October 2, 2006 9:50 PM | Link to this

i SWEAR THIS REPUBLICAN pAARTY undre Dennis Hastert—oh how heavy— is enough to make me and my friend Michale Jackson want to join.

By Dano

October 2, 2006 9:58 PM | Link to this

Five Reasons not to vote GOP (in no particular order)

  • Bush
  • Cheney
  • Rumsfield
  • Foley
  • Rice
  • honorable mention: Chambliss, Isakson, Ralph Reed, etc. and the rest of the Georgia GOP. the list goes on and on.

    The bottom line is that the GOP has messed the country up. it is time to throw them out of office, now that is my “Sonny Do” list.

    By GC

    October 2, 2006 10:00 PM | Link to this

    For good or worst, the majority party controls the House. It has the votes to decide whether a bill passes or not. Likewise, the majority party has the authority to decide not only Committee assignments but also who chairs a particular Committee. Quite a bit of authority, which ought to be subject to accountability when its not used properly. Sitting on information about Mark Foley’s conduct for a year is irresponsible use of authority, regardless of the reason. Excusing simply will not cut it. There ought to be consequences for those in authority who had knowledge about this matter and did not act!

    By Liza M

    October 2, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

    Oh Lizzie—-c’mon gal you know you were Republican back with your John in the Senate. I did my best to tear that jerk David Gess away from the Dems. but I just got a CRAAAAAZY note from our bud EL JO who just stopped by in Atlanta again real quick like —-you know—-and he has decided that Mark Foleys are all over the Republican Party and how nice to have our friend Michael officially join. How MARVELOUS—Simply DIVINE—How MARVELOUS as Mama would say! Love ya lots my wheelchaired gal., Liza

    By VOICE OF REASON

    October 2, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

    As I read the accusations and of the finger pointing from my fellow Democrats I wonder where is/was the moral indignation concerning some of our own and their misdeeds? I have no problem holding the Republicans accountable for their mistakes and criminal activities but what kind of human being and life long Democrat would I be if I did not hold my own party and people to the same standards? It is a disservice to all American’s that both sides of the political machine are more interested in proving each other wrong and deflecting blame by pointing out the ‘warts’ of the other. Until we all, Democrat and Republican, take responsibility for our actions and our leaders for theirs we will never overcome that which is destroying us all. I listen to many hear and realize they do not care about the truth, they care only about destroying others they disagree with.Its a sad, sad time when its more important to be right at all costs despite the truth than to do whats right for all of America. I am ashamed and angered that I have spent my entire life as a Democrat just as I am sure there are some Republicans who feel the very same about their party, as a result I am rescending my membership in the Democratic party whom I have supported monetarily and otherwise…if what I have read here and witnessed on many occasions is true then my fellow Democrats are lost and without hope. We have become a party of ranters, whiners, ones who deny, deflect and destroy not take responsibility and heal. Fight it out fellas, fight until you destroy each other and maybe then those with common sense and who are committed to the truth can begin to rebuild this Nation as it was intended, united and for everyone.

    By David Franklin

    October 2, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this

    Amen to VOICE OF REASON—I rescinded my membership in the Democratic Party last month and encouraged all other progressive Americans to do the same. I am publicly for Condi Rice—the first African-American and woman to be the President of the United States. She will take us OUT of Iraq immediately upon inauguration! The weakness of Harry Reid, the idiocy of Howard Dean, the hypocrisy of Hillary Clinton, and the turncoat Joseph Lieberman just got too bad to handle. But thank God He did not direct me to the Republican Party of former Dixiecrats! I am a white male of the only race—the human race!

    By Conservative Christian

    October 2, 2006 11:42 PM | Link to this

    As a fundamental Christian Conservative I can no longer support the republican or democrat party eitherone. I was eager to register to vote when I turned 18 but this deviancy has turned me away from the government as I find it difficult to render unto Cesar. I will do what Christ demands as a mere minimum regarding politics but he does not command me to vote. God pleese bless America and also bless the Amish in Pennsavania who have turned me pacifist today by there example of true Christian living. I pray to you that you remove us from Iraq and all this sin we have caused there as a nation and as a follower of yours.Forgive us in Christ’s name I pray.

    By budmister

    October 3, 2006 12:23 AM | Link to this

    Hey whats crazy is If the Mark Foley scandle happened here in Georgia and Mark Taylor was Govenor Foley would be where he should be! in jail! Ha Ha Republicans I hope this is the straw that broke your corrupt backs!

    By M & M's

    October 3, 2006 9:10 AM | Link to this

    That this is being construed to harm Mac and Max is quite a str-ret-ch. Georgians know how corrupt things have been for 130 years under the Dems. However, they want to frame this, the Dems rotten-applesauce is as vile and repugnant as the Dem spin.

    By the way, Mr. Feeman and Mr. Reason, keep it short. You lose me in the small print.

    By Debbie

    October 3, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

    Democratic alternative to the GOP. See what Uncle Ted has to say. Do you really want Ted Kennedy in charge? http://www.yahoo.com/s/404439

    Tony, let’s see proof that the 9-11 Report corroborated the meeting with Rice Woodard mentioned. .

    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/articledisplay.jsp?vnucontent_id=1003189931

    I like Condi, but she will not be a candidate for President. She doesn’t want it.

    By concerned

    October 3, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

    Debbie: The answer to your question is “YES”.

    By David Franklin

    October 3, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

    DEBBIE—Condi’s testimony was kept classified and not released in the 9/11 report. I believe Condi will accept if drafted as the first woman and the first African-American President

    If the conservative Washinton Times is calling for Hastert to go—this Foley issue must really be smoking the halls of the House of Representatives to total evauation particularly of the Republican leadership!

    By outraged

    October 3, 2006 1:27 PM | Link to this

    so Johnny Isakson took money from this pervert? He was in the house for many years, and served with Foley … my mama used to say you will be known by the company you keep.

    By outraged

    October 3, 2006 4:08 PM | Link to this

    let me get this straight. Johnny Isakson serves with this Foley in the House, where his sexual orientation is well known. Isakson accepts a $1,000 contribution from the guy in 2004 - and votes against gay marriage in 2005. That kind of money-grubbing hypocrisy is what allowed this predator to stalk innocent children.

    By Hunter

    October 4, 2006 7:28 AM | Link to this

    Remember, Republicans oust their perps…democrackkks merely say ‘oops’ and keep their guys in office…Foley admitted fault…did Gerry Studds or Barney Frank or Mel Reynolds? Did they resign? Its a double damn standard for despiccable democrackkks …Dont EVER vote for another democrackkk…they keep us ALL oppressed !!! They’ve RUINED our nation!!!

    By outraged

    October 4, 2006 3:27 PM | Link to this

    hunter your argument is foolish. when stubbs was exposed, he was CENSURED by the democratic controlled house. when the GOP House leadership found out about foley, they covered it up. those are the facts, look ‘em up.

    By betty boop

    October 4, 2006 5:07 PM | Link to this

    It rather looks like a dog trying to cover up on linoleum. The more you scratch, the more you call attention to your smelly stuff. I can almost (not really) feel sorry for Foley — pedophiles are sick, very sick. And, I think he is going to benefit from some of the legislation he supported in a sanctimonius fit. Poetic Justice, isn’t it.

    Now, let’s look at the lies and excuses:

    Hassert did know — as the story unfolds, based on information from his Republican colleagues, he knew, had known for some time, had seen the e-mails and did nothing and then lied about it. Nothing unusual there, just Republican business as usual. By the way, Georgia Republican Congressman Tom Price is a deputy whip, isn’t he. That makes him part of the leadership. By his own words, Tom Price says he is standing behind Hassert. Well, if I were him I would stand way, way behind. What did Tom know? Why take up a position endorsing a lie?

    Next, let us look at the excuses. For instance, 16 is the age of consent in DC. Good grief! He was still a kid and Foley is still a pedophile in the eyes of anybody with a lick of sense.

    Clinton did it. No, Clinton had a tawdry fling with a predatory young woman who was well above the age of consent in any state in the union. Clinton lied about it and got caught, too. It did not give the Republicans carte blanche to “go thou and do something worse.”

    He’s a drunk. That’s another story. It has nothing to do with the disgusting predatory behavior Foley is guilty of by his own admission.

    He was abused by a clergyman. Sad, even tragic, if true. But still no excuse. With everything that has been in the press and the courts etc. about this problem within the Catholic clergy (and don’t believe for a minute it is confined to Catholic clergy), Foley could have sought and received help long ere this. No excuse there.

    And what excuse does Hassert and his fellow cover-up artists in the Republican leadership have. None that I can see; none that anyone can see. It’s just the same old same old and it’s time we put a stop to it.

    By ed

    October 4, 2006 5:26 PM | Link to this

    right on betty boop

     

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