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An evening with Ann… and Lynn

Ann Coulter’s dinner speech to the Georgia Christian Coalition Saturday night was one of the year’s hot tickets for conservatives – even before an after-dinner appeal to open up checkbooks to pay for this year’s voter guide, the coalition had raised over $150,000 from the event, according to state chairman Sadie Fields.

No doubt the sharp-tongued conservative author was the star of the show, as evidenced by the long line that formed for a book-signing afterwards. But on a night with no hecklers to egg her on, she wasn’t the newsiest item on the program.

First, Coulter found herself in the uncharacteristic position of being upstaged by her introducer, Mike Gallagher.

He told the audience he was fresh back from an hour-and-45-minute session which President Bush held in the Oval Office Friday afternoon with him and four other conservative talk show hosts: Atlanta’s Neal Boortz, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and Michael Medved. Rush Limbaugh couldn’t make it, he said.

Though he said this session was supposed to be off the record, Gallagher described it at some length, including Bush’s observation to the right-wing radio jocks that the War on Terror has to be about right versus wrong, “because if it’s about Christianity versus Islam, we’ll lose.�

“Remind me never to invite you to an off-the-record session,� Coulter said after his introduction.

Coulter spoke mostly about the long court battle over abortion, a safe subject for the audience, but one that reminded listeners that Coulter was a lawyer before she became a bomb thrower. She saved her freshest barb of the evening for the last question from the audience: She referred to the Republican senators who defied Bush over the rules for interrogating terrrorist suspects as “the al-Qaeda contingent.�

It’s that kind of political incorrectness that people come to hear when Coulter speaks. Her most recent book, “Godless: the Church of Liberalism,� makes her a seeming natural for religious conservative groups, but it isn’t the easiest fit.

On television, Coulter plays off her seeming closeness to the elitist culture she criticizes, with her finishing-school accent and Upper West Side couture.

“In respect to my gay male friends, I’ll resist the temptation to call this an attempt to force gay marriage down our throats,� she said Saturday night.

Her audience laughed, but with what seemed a noticeable squirm, at lines like that. One speaker who did seem to know his audience was Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, and for those of us who keep an eye on the local scene that may have been the most notable thing about the evening.

Rep. Tom Price and Rep. Phil Gingrey both spoke at the dinner, but Westmoreland, one of the Republicans eyeing the 2010 governor’s race, got two speaking spots, including a pitch for contributions to the voter-guide fund after Coulter’s speech.

House Speaker Glenn Richardson, another ’10 mentionable, wasn’t at the dinner, for whatever you make of that. And come to think of it, we didn’t see Ralph Reed.

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By Will Jones

September 17, 2006 8:42 PM | Link to this

Call the Coulter/Gallagher meeting what it was:

a gathering of the racist Roman Catholic Fifth Column faction.

Gingrey, Hannity are RC too, and Viagrist-to-child-prostituting-Hispaniola Limbaugh’s on the record saying “The Roman Catholic Church is the rock-ribbed backbone of American moral value.”

Laura Ingraham’s Roman Catholic. Her brother’s gay. Molested by a priest? Gee, wonder why they can’t “figure it out?â€?

Each of Rome’s 188 dioceses in Our County has at least one convicted pedophile priest. Many have dozens.

Boortz’s father was a Marine - which has many Roman Catholics trying to regain a stable sense of post-priestly molestation masculinity - and wound up unable to biologically father children so his issues could stem from a German Roman Catholic background like the Bus(c)hes’.

None of this would matter were it not that these overt fascists are serving the very plutocracy based on feudal despotism and monkish perversion that Our Whig (anti-Roman Catholic) Founders recognized and identified as “the Real Anti-Christ.”

Treason, false-war, Gulf of Tonkin Hoax, 9-11, illegal immigration, the Bush family-controlled China Trade with generational debt bondage to the Vatican’s bankers in control of the unconstitutional Fed JFK (“temporarily”) removed from our money, an obvious closet-queen draft-dodger in the White House whose father killed Kennedy and whose Knight of Malta-grandfather was Hitler’s banker, and unnamable worms will yet have the temerity to fallaciously scam the easily demonstrated truth.

We built America to escape King and Pope and any apologist for the Roman Catholic Fifth Column, which controls the GOP and much of the Democratic Party, is nothing but a dupe, moron, or traitor.

Show your real names you racists and fascists and traitors.

Death for treason and may G_d Almighty bless America once more!

By michelle

September 17, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this

I am appalled by the hateful language of the above post. No one should be allowed to attack another’s religion in such a hate-filled manner.

By Just a thought

September 17, 2006 11:00 PM | Link to this

Will, try some decaf.

By Willie Jones

September 18, 2006 1:03 AM | Link to this

Will, you need a oil change and a tune up.

By ByteMan

September 18, 2006 6:27 AM | Link to this

He told the audience he was fresh back from an hour-and-45-minute session which President Bush held in the Oval Office Friday afternoon with him and four other conservative talk show hosts: Atlanta’s Neal Boortz, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and Michael Medved. Rush Limbaugh couldn’t make it, he said. <<

That was the most interesting part of the post. The so-called “independent” talk show hosts are meeting for nearly two hours with the most powerful politician in the country and being told how to talk about the so-called “war on terror”. Wonder what else they’ve been told to say on the air and how they’ll deny they were told to say anything if pressed to admit it.

Guess you’ll have to listen to them on Monday to find out. Or, better yet, don’t waste your time. Read a good book or talk to someone who doesn’t look like you instead.

Be merry, it’s Monday!

By Hunter

September 18, 2006 6:39 AM | Link to this

…lol..Byteman, yer cynicism precedes ya, bud…

I suspect they were invited to the WH for their input on what America is candidly talking about on the airwaves…but this assemblage does make me wonder WHY they did not wait for Rush’s presence, and WHY they did not include Glenn Beck and Michael Savage?

Why does the mainstream media shun Michael Savage to the ‘extreme’? He beats them all with ‘conscienceness’….

By Rawena

September 18, 2006 6:55 AM | Link to this

This won’t make it to the press, but the real news of the night was after the event when Satan showed up and started worshipping Ann!

By cliff zeider

September 18, 2006 7:18 AM | Link to this

Hey, Ann is a breath of fresh air. Cliff

By sweetpea

September 18, 2006 7:25 AM | Link to this

Ann is a Nazi…nothing “femi”nine about her.

By ByteMan

September 18, 2006 7:39 AM | Link to this

Hunter,

Is it really cynical when one of the attendees describes it this way:

“… including Bush’s observation to the right-wing radio jocks that the War on Terror has to be about right versus wrong, “because if it’s about Christianity versus Islam, we’ll lose.â€?”

If that’s not the president telling conservative mouthpieces how to talk about something, what is? Do you really think the guy — who has been described often as not wanting to hear dissenting opinions — really wants to LISTEN to guys who spend 3+ hours a day talking mostly to themselves in a self-important manner? Is that how you want YOUR president to spend his time? You’re thinking maybe he can’t get a briefing by his minions about what is coming out of pundits’ mouths?

It’s not cynicism, just ruling out all the other options as naive or ridiculous.

By BiteMeAnn

September 18, 2006 7:40 AM | Link to this

Gee, if you’re appalled by Will’s hateful language, you must be frightfully appalled at the GOP. They (along with idiots like Ann) have used religion in a hate filled manner to attack people who disagree with the war in Iraq, support stem cell research, the right to have an abortion, or otherwise think the Government shouldn’t be a theocracy. Don’t make religion political, and then get your panties in a wad when people fire back and trash “christians”. The Pope, Sadie Fields, and anyone else who wants to haul the cross into politics invites contempt for both themselves and their so-called faith. Ann should join them for a long walk off of a short pier.

By Susan

September 18, 2006 7:46 AM | Link to this

Coulter is a slut for publicity.

By Ed

September 18, 2006 7:51 AM | Link to this

Will you need a check up from the neck up. We just saw a “courageous” Muslim fanatic shoot a Catholic nun in the back. Hey Will tell me she deserved that. All in the name of politics and religion.

By BiteMeAnn

September 18, 2006 7:59 AM | Link to this

Well, that nun’s boss forbids the wives of HIV positive men to use condoms in the sacred name of Jesus. If they happen to get it from unfaithful husbands, or have babies who die from AIDS, that’s okay with the Pope.

Now who was the fanatic again?

By Buffalo Bob

September 18, 2006 8:03 AM | Link to this

Interesting to note that 4 well-known distinguished republicans with strong military and political service records are now coined the “al-quaeda contigent” by a bimbo who never served. How quickly the these republicans eat their own when they voice an opinion different than the one coming out of the white house.

By Political Foreskin

September 18, 2006 8:05 AM | Link to this

Ann Coulter does have a finishing-school accent, but she told her etiquette teachers there that she didn’t want to learn how to roll her R’s, only which 911 widow the fork goes into. Didn’t that raise suspicions?

By Blue

September 18, 2006 8:06 AM | Link to this

I agree Susan - an attention w******* of the worst stripe.

By JC

September 18, 2006 8:11 AM | Link to this

If I were one of her gay male friends, I’ll tell her to go bury her head in a beaver burrow! She and her kind are not welcome in Atlanta.

By Debbie

September 18, 2006 8:20 AM | Link to this

I attended the event and I am Baptist, not Catholic. Most of the ones I knew at the event were not Catholic either.

I found Coulter refreshing. She says what is on her mind. She is controversial, but only to make a point.

Jc, who made you the official person to decide who is and who is not welcomed in Atlanta? Coulter was in Cobb County and she was most welcomed there.

It was a sold out, jammed packed crowd.

Westmoreland did get the most applause. He also received standing ovations.

I loved Coulter’s solution for the Mideast. “Scoop up the children and send in the daisy cutters.”

I would not go that far, but I think it is time we quit p*** footing around with the Islamic Extremists and their followers.

I do n’t mean to offend you gay men with that last sentence. :)

By Mike

September 18, 2006 8:22 AM | Link to this

Truly Sickening. And they go under the name “Christian” Coalition. Anybody who associates with this group is about as far from Christian as you can get. I’m p** at what these sort of wackos have done to my religion and my political party. Enough!

By D

September 18, 2006 8:22 AM | Link to this

Not only is Ann fantastic in the sack, she uses sex to sell books about “morality”.

I wonder how the conservative Christains she was addressing rationalize those ironies…

By Rawena

September 18, 2006 8:30 AM | Link to this

JC - I 2nd you. Ann C** is NOT welcome in Atlanta nor in my Cobb County. How can anyone who claims to be a Christian agree with her?

Your so-called Christians need to practice what is in your book.

By gttim

September 18, 2006 8:31 AM | Link to this

I would not go that far, but I think it is time we quit p* footing around with the Islamic Extremists and their followers.

And if the Iraqis decide it is time to quit “p* footing around” and start killing Americans, is that okay? Funny how these so called “Christian Extremists” are okay with killing a bunch of Muslims, but get all upset when Christians die. Quit with the moral equivalence, killing is killing. It is never right and I doubt Jesus would hold your view. I doubt Jesus would want anything to do with these modern day, self-professed Christians.

Funny how fans of Ann would accuse anybody of “hateful language.” Who has called for the death of judges?

By Randy

September 18, 2006 8:36 AM | Link to this

I’ve listened to Coulter, but not enough to be biased one way or the other. She does deliver it direct without all the PC. The country & the world can benefit from that.

Whenever I visit a blog anywhere here at the AJC, liberals are bashing christians and blaming us for all the world’s ills.

What’s up with that?

By Spacey G.

September 18, 2006 8:43 AM | Link to this

ROFL Rawena! What a bunch of dweebs, has-beens, wonks and geeks. Who cares about a bunch of blowhards and arm-chair moralists? Anyone who was anyone wasn’t on that side of town Saturday night at all. They were all downtown at the star-studded Georgia Music Hall of Fame Awards, non-partisan partying-down until the wee hours with The Gov, Max Cleland, Mark Taylor, Greg Allman, Dallas Austin, Jermaine Dupri and R.E.M.

Bet the blowhards and the arm-chair moralists could hear the fun all the way up thar in Cobb County.

Plenty of pics here: http://spaceygreview.blogspot.com/

By Eric

September 18, 2006 8:44 AM | Link to this

If we could just eliminate ALL religions, we’d be a HELL of a lot better off.

Time to put the myths, fairy tales and hokey religions in the flat earth, dragons and ‘way of the do do’ file.

By Debbie

September 18, 2006 8:45 AM | Link to this

I am all for killing terrorists cowards that DELIBERATELY target and murder innocent civilians no matter what their religion or nationality. I don’t care if they are Baptist, Catholic, American, or from Mars.

Terrorists hide out among civilians. These civilians help hide them in some cases. Any civilian blood spilled is the fault of the terrorists cowards.

I remember watching a news story from Lebanon. I watched children talk about when they grow up they want to join Hezbollah. I thought , “Why are we sending them aid?” They just want to grow up and become terrorists and kill us.

By hornet

September 18, 2006 8:45 AM | Link to this

Will, Your comments show how sick you really are. Get help.

By Just Out of Curiosity

September 18, 2006 8:46 AM | Link to this

I lurk out here mostly from time to time, and I have seen and heard Will’s comments on air. I see some of you out here seem to have a problem with much of what he says. But to me, it seems that Mr. Will has access to some awfully detailed “facts”. I challenge some of you who say he’s full of it to point by point show where he lies. Is there at least one convicted felon in the each of the diocese? Is Laura I’s brother gay and was molested?

Is what he saying about the Bush family dealings true? I mean, either this guy has one HELL of an imagination or he is stating facts which he has gained through some pretty intense research. By the way, I really do have a problem with the President meeting in closed sessions with media people to essentially discuss policy and how it needs to be communicated to the american public. If that doesn’t sound like the old USSR I don’t know what does.

By E. Lewis

September 18, 2006 9:05 AM | Link to this

Why are Republican conservatives still allowing themselves to be defined by necons?

By Jennifer

September 18, 2006 9:07 AM | Link to this

Ann Coulter is angry, because she is obviously hungry.

By Rawena

September 18, 2006 9:08 AM | Link to this

Just curious Debbie, when did “Thou shalt not kill” stop being a commandment?

By debbie

September 18, 2006 9:13 AM | Link to this

Rawena, you need to actually read the Bible and not just the Ten Commandments. It mentions many instances where killing is justified.

Especially where murderers are concerned.

By Ann

September 18, 2006 9:18 AM | Link to this

So there are contradictions huh?

By Debbie

September 18, 2006 9:18 AM | Link to this

Will has made statements. Let’s see his proof. This is America and you are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

The Democrats have talking points memos that are dispersed to their talking heads when they speak to the press. I don’t hear you complaining about that. You just don’t like it when Republicans do the same thing.

Bush gathered the talk show hosts to explain his viewpoints and strategy. Not to tell them what to say.

By Kelly

September 18, 2006 9:32 AM | Link to this

I am a Christian and I still can’t understand the Christian Coalition. How can anyone who professes to follow Christ and His teachings spout such obvious hatred and bigotry???

By Traci Davis

September 18, 2006 9:33 AM | Link to this

I always knew the Radio pundits got their “TALKING POINTS” from the White House. Now I know for sure - Neal Boortz, and Sean Hannity- meet with the Bush to fine tune, what they need to say on the radio before the November Elections. Always wondered how all of the conservatives - all said the EXACT same thing on a daily basis.

By michelle

September 18, 2006 9:34 AM | Link to this

Debbie,

get your head out of the Old Testament. As Christians, we are supposed to adhere to the teachings of Christ? Remember? Christ never once advocated killing for any reason.

I am paraphrasing here, but Christ said that there were only two commandments that we should follow: To love God and to love our neighbors. Do those two things and everything else should fall into place. It’s hard to truly love others and kill them.

And to whoever was bashing the Catholic faith, remember that Catholicism, by and large, is the least hypocritical faith. They are opposed to abortion and capital punishment; they advocate adoption as an alternative to abortion and actually provide access to adoption services and prenatal care for women choosing adoption. They offer non-judgmental post-abortion counseling to women through a group called Project Rachel. They provide the most comprehensive set of social services to the poor of any church through Catholic Social Services. And you don’t have to be Catholic to receive help from them.

As far as saying that women married to men with AIDS cannot ask their husbands to wear condoms, you’re right. That is problematic, but it’s a message coming from the church hierarchy. When you get down to the individual church level, most priests that I know would tell the couple to follow their heart and to use condoms. Of course, there is also the option of not having sex. And I know, in a lot of these countries where this is predominant men rape their wives. But if he’s going to rape his wife, he’s not going to wear a condom even if the Church tells him he’ll burn in Hell for not wearing a condom.

And I do think Will’s comments are problematic because it appears Christianity is the only religion open for attack. If his comments regarding the Jewish faith, they’d be pulled for their anti-Semitism. If he attacked Islam, they’d be pulled because of their political incorrectness.

And, to whoever asked if I’m not opposed to the GOP, of course I am! The Republican party shows its bigoted stripes with pride. And Coulter is the worst. I detest her hate-speech and really can’t think of another person who makes me angrier, W. included.

Coulter is a pseudointellectual who uses her long blonde hair, and skeletal presence combined with her tiring, hateful comments to get the attention Daddy never gave her.

By anonymous

September 18, 2006 9:35 AM | Link to this

Ann Coulter must die and have her stupid books taken off the shelves.

By Alan

September 18, 2006 9:38 AM | Link to this

The KKKristian Coalition - what a joke - Tranny Coulter and Sadie Fields - HA!

By scott

September 18, 2006 9:43 AM | Link to this

Anyone who thinks that anything that comes out of Ann Coulter’s mouth is in any way productive is a fool. I am sorry, but that is the word: “fool.” She disses America and most Americans. She places all of those opposed to her in the Al Qaeda camp. She in fact tries harder to divide American society that UBL ever could! By her logic, John McCain and Colin Powell are terrorists. When did she ever serve our country; my country? She lies. She is the Howard Stern of right-wing radio except for 3 things… 1. she has no talent, 2 - she has no listeners and 3 - she doesn’t have her own show. Anyone who has ever met her off the record knows what she is really about. No one will ever defend the private Ann; no one’s that met her.

By Debbie

September 18, 2006 9:45 AM | Link to this

Michelle, I was not the one that bought up the Old Testament. If you bothered to read the thread you will see Rawena did not me. I just responded to what she said.

There were many issues Jesus did not address, but he did refer back to the Old Testament law and writings many times when questioned. He also mentioned doing the will of his father.

By mike

September 18, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it nice to see all these conservatives spouting out all those talking points for the rest of us citizens. It is easy to see why this country is in the position it is today. Sort of like the movie ‘Dumb and Dumber’. The dumb spout and the dumbers follow. Keep up your good work cons. They contribute nothing to the cause but make plenty money off the backs of our soldiers.

By Martel

September 18, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

BiteMeAnn said:

“Well, that nun’s boss forbids the wives of HIV positive men to use condoms in the sacred name of Jesus. If they happen to get it from unfaithful husbands, or have babies who die from AIDS, that’s okay with the Pope.”

A few points:
1) Wives DO NOT use condoms…husbands do.

2) even if the Pope approved of contraception…the large majority of HUSBANDS (and WIVES) in Africa are not choosing not to use condoms because the Pope does not approve. They are not using condoms because they do not like them and do not fully appreciate the risk of multiple sex partners; sex with gay men; sex with IV drug users and/or IV drug use.

NOTE: husbands in Africa have the free choice NOT to engage in activities that are KNOWN to present a high risk of HIV infection, namely: multiple sex partners, sex with gay men; sex with IV drug users; IV drug use. Unfortunately, there are serious consequences to high risk sexual behavior.

3) Are you really suggesting that the people of Africa should RELY on an easily broken condom in order to prevent the spread/transmission of HIV? Please say no (You can’t be that dumb).

By Bill Simon

September 18, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Kelly,

The reason for the “Christian Coalition” is for people who like to act un-Christian under a cloak of raising money and using it to slander a lot of non-fanatical Christians.

Ralph Reed found out that people don’t like professional hypocrites when he got his butt beaten severely in the primary earlier this year.

By maco

September 18, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

Funny how everyone slams the conservative talk show hosts for getting talking points from the President. Anyone who listens to Boortz will know he is as hard on Bush as anyone.

I much prefer that over the Democrats getting their talking points FROM the talk show hosts.

By dikran

September 18, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Now killing is the will of the father. The revolution of Jesus was ‘non-violent’, really. And practical. No matter what you are told, there is no effective extermination policy, never has been. You cannot kill all the terrorists. That is the definition of a terrorist. If you want to see evil in action look for the one who accuses others of evil.

By Bill Simon

September 18, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

If Lynn and Ann were on the same stage together, they should have been asked to rattle off the Ten Commandments. Think Lynn has ever gone back and studied them since his appearance on the Colbert Report?

By JP

September 18, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Tom Price..Ann Coulter..

That reminds me why I’m voting for Steve Sinton!

By dikran

September 18, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Sorry more. Then we have the strangest bedfellows. Georgie the king of the Whitehouse, al Qaeda, Ann Coulter, much of the new and old left. All killing together all exterminating the evil doers. It is almost, almost, funny.

By John

September 18, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

My My My… Aren’t we all the experts on everything here. I served as a Marine for 23 years and even though I might not agree with what is said, I will defend the right to say it to the death. Most of you wouldn’t even think that. Why? Simple… If you don’t agree with it, it shouldn’t be said. Kill her for what she says? How closed minded of you not to mention Islamic of you. Those of you who wish her ill, that is your choice, but yet you would not let her have her choice. So who is the NAZI here, you are she? Let both sides speak,let each one listen and make up his or her own mind. With exception to a few here, most of us have one.

To anonymous. Whats wrong laddie, no guts to say your name and defend your position?

Ever notice when people have nothing to say or can’t defend a point of view they insult and defile.

Tisk Tisk Children….

Semper Fi

John Wilson GySgt, USMC (ret.)

By boots

September 18, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

When the religious right attempts to impose it’s will, values and mindset on the rest of us, I have a hard time differentiating them from the Taliban we are attempting to distroy.

Do they have a right to their opinions and values? Of course, but so do I and I resent being force-fed their diet of right-wing ideology —- and this comes from someone who voted for Bush in both elections. I guess I’m getting what I deserve from that lapse of conscious.

By Shadtiqua Laroy Muhammed Washington

September 18, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

The lefties in this blog just cant stand the FACT that they are so irrelevant.

Sounds like a bunch of clucking hens (commie ones at that). LOL, cluck away.

I love it.

By Jenna

September 18, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Ann Coulter gives strong women who believe in God a bad name. Her statements are broad sweeping generalizations. What she states as facts are pure lies. She has the “you’re with us or against us” philosophy, which means if you question anything you are a Communist. Heaven forbid we should question a strategy or why things are done. I think the people who buy her books are the morally corrupt ones who’s intelligance is questionable.
The far right can make all the excuses they want, but open your eyes repubs, the far right is using God’s name are religious subtext for political gain. That kind of behavior is irresponsible and dangerous.
If Ann is a follower of Jesus and really understood what that means she would discuss tolerance not aggression. She would want equality for all in this country… Look at who Jesus keep company with, the people in society no one want to be near. He embraced them.
Jesus did not condone violence or acts of violence towards others. Rome, the mightiest empire in world crumbled due to this. The answers to the to the problems our country faces are not easy. However, a person like Ann Coulter trying to push her opinions only fuels the fire of hatred and continues to make our society look intolerant. She’ll be ashamed of herself the day she meets her Maker, and He of her.

By Kathy S. Hildebrand

September 18, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Ralph’s wife, Joanne, had a high school reunion to attend Saturday night (and those DON’T come around every year), so he was not able to attend. But he did support the event big time (you may have noticed a table named for him because of that support) as he has always supported our cause. —Kathy S. Hildebrand

By ryan

September 18, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Debbie, how would you offend gay men with your last sentence? We don’t have nor do we want anything to do with the word you so cleverly ** out. Keep your wound to yourself.

By BiteMeAnn

September 18, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Okay Martel:

  • Wives can use condoms. There are female condoms. Sorry that you’re ignorant of that fact.

  • Women in Africa often have no say over whether their husbands have sex with other women, or anyone else. BTW, AIDS is mostly spread by heterosexual means in Africa, so please don’t haul your “high risk behavior” judgemental self into that gabfest.

  • The fact that the Pope, and the hierachy of the church specifically tells those wives that asking husbands to use a condom is a sin. The Catholic church has a lot of moral and social authority in places where AIDS is more commonly spread heterosexually, and the result is women (and their children) dying in great droves. This ain’t a coincidence. The women’s only high-risk behavior is being married. The Pope thinks it’s okay to for those women to have no alternative to getting AIDS.

  • Well, I’d rather rely on a condom to protect me than the Pope, as he obviously doesn’t give a crap. Would you rather rely on prayer than a rubber? Don’t tell me you’re that stupid.
  • By Darrell

    September 18, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

    FYI - Speaker Richardson, was at a Speakers gathering in Birmingham, AL, and though he could not attend he did purchase a table for the event.

    By Mike McCormack

    September 18, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

    I’d like to comment about “An Evening with Ann Coulter.” Those of us in attendance thought Ann Coulter, Mike Gallagher and the Georgia Congressional contingent were fabulous. Sadie Fields did a fantastic job! Those of you who throw bombs and hateful rhetoric need to take a good long look in the mirror. Ann Coulter speaks truth while those on the left speak garbage. An unborn baby is a baby nonetheless and Miss Coulter is the champion of our time on behalf of these children. I, for one, am glad there’s such vitriol on the left. I get a good laugh evey time a Conservative Republican beats a socialist Democrat. You Democrats are still complaining about the last Presidential Election…..GET OVER IT….YOU LOST!

    By Jen

    September 18, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

    Kelly, I’m with you. Nothing about that whole meeting sounds Christian to me. Ann “Coultergeist” makes me think thoughts that make me less Chrisitan than I want to be, the nickname I have given her is included.

    By jpetz

    September 18, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

    Georgia Christian Coalition - Hatemongers

    Any group that puts hatemonger Ann Coulter on the pulpit is also a hatemonger.

    There is absolutely nothing Christian about Ann Coulter. She is a bomb thrower who gets an audience by simply be outrageous. Her commentary is disgusting and if any “Christian” in that audience didn’t figure that out, I as a Christian want nothing to do with them.

    I guarantee there are some in the GOP who are appalled by the way social conservatives have taken over their party. Coulter is an opportunist, suggest like Ralph Reed and Jack Abramhoff. These bright folks know what buttons to push to get this fundamentalist crowd on their feet. As P.T. Barnum once said, “there’s a sucker born every minute”. Here is a perfect example:

    In Ohio, the GOP has put up Ken Blackwell for Governor. Blackwell is a darling to the social conservatives and has started a whisper campaign against his Democratic opponent, Ted Strickland, suggesting Strickland and his wife are gay. Never mind the fact Strickland has been married to the same woman for over 25 years, but because they have no children Blackwell has decided to plant the idea of Strickland being gay in voters minds.

    Yes, this tactic will probably work for a minority of red meat right-wing types but the good news is it ultimately will fail miserably because thank God, the average Ohio voter is not a Coalition member.

    This so-called Christian Coalition is anything but Christian. Its leader, Sadie Fields should look to God for answers on why she ruined her relationship with her daughter who happens to be gay. Ms. Fields has been brainwashed by fundamentalist thinking and is trying to do the same to others. She is no different than the Islamist radicals she so detests.

    By John from Jackson, GA

    September 18, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

    Who Cares???????????

    By jpetz

    September 18, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

    To Mike McCormack:

    If you find anything Christian in Ann Coulter’s speech, than you cannot possibly have a clue about Christianity.

    Do you honestly believe Christ himself would endorse the sort of hatemongering Coulter endorses? Are you for real?

    Coulter is playing you for a fool - you simply don’t realize it. She gets enormous fees for speaking engagements and you get to carry her water. In the meantime, you water carriers are simply pouring salt on an open wound, fueling hate and discontent in America. You are no better than the moneychangers Christ expelled from the Temple.

    One day, your’re going to have a reckoning with the Almighty and my guess is - it ain’t going to be pretty! Don’t think so? - just ask Jack Abramhoff.

    P.S. the 2000 election is yesterday’s news. Bush is President and he owes his legacy to Iraq, for better or worse.

    By Ryan

    September 18, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

    Martel, you amaze me with your stupidity.

    African are not using condoms because they don’t have any dummy.

    You apparently seem to think the African AIDS problem is somehow similar to the AIDS explosion in this country in the 80s.

    IV drug users? Are you kidding me? Yeah, I’ve heard about the big meth and heroin problem they’ve had in the bush.

    Sex with gay men? Having sex with a gay man is irrelevant: men and women are equally cursed with AIDS and HIV there, the “gay men have AIDS” idea applied in the 80s. Today, you’d be just as right saying the people of southern Africa do since it’s wiping out as many people as the epidemic did to the gay population in the 80s. Soon, it will be the black population in this country unless the powerful people with sway among the hip-hop population start talking about it more (HIV/AIDS is the NUMBER ONE KILLER OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN AGED 25-39!!!) The problem stems from same poor choices that young girls made that got them pregnant in high school, only now instead of making a life they’ll be taking one. Condoms are availbable in this country. Any time you here about someone becoming pregnant, remind yourself that it happened because they didn’t use a condom, which means they’re also exposing themselves to AIDS. If the trends and habits of our own people do not change we’ll need nursing homes and hospice centers next to the nursery schools in high school.

    Wake up Martel, in this country you don’t have to be on the downlow to get AIDS anymore, any ol’ lady can give it to you nowadays. In Africa, it’s never been a “gay man” disease. It is fully integrated throughout the population there. My friend from Zimbabwe loses uncles, aunts, cousins almost monthly. Her sister was just diagnosed with it. She got it from her boyfriend. They had to abort her baby because they don’t have the drugs to prevent the passing of the virus onto the child there….but you seem to think that injectable illegal drugs are easily attainable. Y’know, I don’t even know why I’m typing this. You are so clueless on so many points that you’re beyond help.

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 18, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

    Nice to hear that one of the attendees thinks Sadie Fields did “a fantastic job”. If she applied that to her own family values, maybe her daughter wouldn’t be estranged and live as far as geographically possible from her while still remaining in the United States.

    And how nice too that the vitriol from the left amuses you. Yes, I’m sure Jesus advocates such a smug attitude concerning political elections. Thank you, Mr. Right Wing Christian for exemplifying why those Socialist Democrats are angry. And why those Socialist Democrats along with decent Republicans dumped your little poster choirboy Ralph on his political, um, location where the door hit him on the way out.

    There’s gonna be a lot of Republican Talibansters following him after the next election. But then y’all can catch up on Ann’s books and talk hate to each other.

    By dangus

    September 18, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

    If we could just eliminate ALL religions, we’d be a HELL of a lot better off. <<

    Calling for the elimination of differing viewpoints. So glad to see you’re morally superior to religious people. Gosh knows that all those atheist and nihilist nation-states worked out so well…

    Power corrupts, not religion. True religion defers from power, recognizing its corrupting influence, but the temptation is always present… You seem a little covetous of the Ring…

    By Mrs Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian

    September 18, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

    Ann Coulter is either a very devious, liberal performance artist or mentally ill. There is no middle ground.

    But how lovely that she found an audience to laugh about people being tortured. That they were Christians must make Jesus so very proud!

    By Scotty

    September 18, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

    Mike McCormack I have a problem with anyone calling themselves christian and spouting such hate. The Cristian Coalition and the Religous Right spend all their time worrying about two little aspects of the morality of others…mostly those homosexuals and those abortionists. Then they go back to their gates communities and sent their children to those all white “Christian” schools, and invest all their money and vote so they won’t have to pay taxes. There is never a thought in their minds about the sin that their riches bring onto their own souls. The Bible says it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kindgom of Heaven. Everyone in this country better start to recognize how rich we are and until we begin to make sure that the children of this nation are not going to school hungry each day we are all sinners. Get used to the Homos, you will be spending eternity with them.

    By AuggieDoo

    September 18, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

    Ms. Coulter is a half price attention w******* who likes to do nothing more than inflame the populous. What positive things ever come out of her mouth? I don’t hear many. She’s nothing more than Jerry Springer in a skirt too short for her.

    By brett

    September 18, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

    All you have to do to get the hatred out from the crazy left is mention the name Ann Coulter. It makes their skin crawl.

    By Wild Bill

    September 18, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

    To all you Republican haters and Democrate haters. Get real….Collin Powell and John McCain WERE soldiers like me. Now they are politicians, and when have you ever heard a politician tell the truth about anything. Sift through the crap and make up your own mind about what is best for YOUR country and use the only option you have…VOTE

    By ChrisD

    September 18, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

    Will seems a little caught up in perversion and child molestation. Wonder why.

    By Bobby

    September 18, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

    Message to the Christian Coalition: Jesus was a liberal - he cared about everybody.

    Also, Ann Coulter used to be a man. If you don’t believe me, do some homework for once and turn your talk radio off.

    By Bodacious

    September 18, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

    Will, Buy a burka…..Michael SavAge Rocks!!!!

    By Jane

    September 18, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

    Does anyone remember that Westmoreland couldn’t name the 10 commandments on The Daily Show?

    By P.a

    September 18, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

    The sad thing is that these people are the very ones who have turned Christanity from a symbol of love, to a symbol of hate! They are no different the islamic terrorist who have taken a book as peaceful and loving as the Quarran and made it out be about hate. Perhaps we should put the Islamic terrorists and Christian ploters of hate in the same room and let them duke it out. Let us loving and accepting christians and loving and accepting muslims live happy and let each other be free to worship and pray however!!!

    By YAYforPeople

    September 18, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

    When I saw that Ann was speaking for the Christian Coalition it made me realize many of my fellow Christians have turned down a dark road. This week is the 100th anniversary of the 1906 Atlanta Race Riot during this rememberance I challenge each of you to see how we are alike on the highest levels of consciousness and not how we are different on the lowest levels. If you live to 100 years old that is only 36,500 days give or take a few leap years. In the big picture that ain’t a long time no matter how you slice it. You either hate or you love. You either create or you destroy. Identity should not be based on where you are from or from the color of your skin or how many zeros are in your bank account, identity should be based on your deeds as a human being for the very short time you grace this little place we call earth. To paraphrase the fisrt lines of Anna Karenina, “there is a million ways to do it wrong and only a couple of ways to do things right, the cards are stacked against us”. So learn to forgive and do not travel down the road the way we did 100 years ago after the Atlanta Riot, segregated, but strive to be united with the world so that we overcome hateful divisionists who want us separated for personal gain and control unless you are looking for personal gain and control and then, well, I forgive you.

    Shout out to crazy Will, next Da Vinci Code brother, love conspiracies, like the idea about talking to someone “different� than you, and love the Music Pix.

    Have a great week all. It will all be over soon. I’m hungry…

    By gttim

    September 18, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

    John Wilson GySgt, USMC (ret.),

    It is not a freedom of speech issue. Ann Coulter is allowed to say whatever she wants. I think she should speak more. I think she should be on television every single day. It is the hypocrisy of the anger, hatred, lies and immoral acts she preaches being worshipped by the “Family Values” Republican party that Liberals rant against, as they should. Coulter is one of the many talking heads of the GOP and “Christian” Right that exposes them for what they truly are.

    To a few posters above,

    I love it when “Christians” try to use the Bible to justify killing. There may be nothing as hypocritical and oddly humourous as that.

    michelle,

    The Catholic church you praise is the church that has allowed pedophiles to prey upon the world’s youth for centuries, and has even taken steps to protect them. The Catholic church you praise is the church that enslaved young women for decades in churches and covenants, such as with the Magdalene laundries. The Catholic church you praise is the one that caused millions of deaths with it Crusades. I wouldn’t be bragging about it.

    By brent

    September 18, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

    Typical tall, good-looking blonde…no substance. I am glad I can escape to Hawaii twice a year and leave people like her behind.

    By Jim C.

    September 18, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

    It figures a liberal rag like the AJC would put this “who cares” story at the top of it’s webpage to try to blast a good republician like Anne… nice try!

    By Jim C.

    September 18, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

    Will Jones is obviously emotionally upset. Everyone please ignore his comments. That is what those prople want…attention.

    By Bill Clinton

    September 18, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

    HI y’all. I know I’m famous for having raped a few women in my time, and selling the Chinese our secrets to Nuclear arms (hey, Hillary’s new house is expensive..), and basically selling any American secret information to make a buck, but all that is behind us now.

    We as Democrats need to stand together and let other cultures and other nations kick our butt. As Liberals, it’s what we do- lie down and let others kick us in the teeth. We stand for nothing, other than whining, so what’s the problem here?

    PS Hillary was a lousy lay.

    By DD

    September 18, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

    So-called Christians who have no problem with a unnecessary war. How moral!

    By DD

    September 18, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

    So-called Christians who have no problem with an unnecessary war. How moral!

    By DD

    September 18, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

    So-called Christians who have no problem with an unnecessary war. How moral!

    By Political Foreskin

    September 18, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

    “”INFIDELS!”

    These two infidels go into a mosque. The mullah says, “Hey, no infidels!” The one infidel starts to leave, but the other stops him and says, “Mohammed’s mother was a goat”. Then the mullah sez “So you’ve converted?”

    By JustMe

    September 18, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

    Why do politicans want to force religous views down our throats? Would a good politican even venture into that arena?

    Does this sound more like conservative republicans or more like radical Islam? You make the call.

    By CHDtbdm

    September 18, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

    Ann Coulter is a MAN, baby. And the anti-Christ.

    By Patti

    September 18, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

    Christ must be horrified when these so-called “Christians” use his name to justify their hate for all who do not think exactly as they do. WHO WAS THAT OTHER NATION WHERE THEY ALL MARCHED IN LOCK STEP?? As I recall it didn’t work out well for them.

    Christ is all about love. Loving thy neighbor is supposed to be what Christians are all about. Sadly, you “Christians” who love hate-filled Ann, the sad and miscalculating Georgie Boy, the drug addict Rush, K-K-Karl the Rove, and all the rest of the people who love to hate and then spead that hate, will discover your mistake when you finally meet your maker.

    I, being a good Christian, will pray for your soul and pray that you find enlightment before it is too late. I used to be proud to be a native Atlantan born right on Peachtree Street, but when I see how my beloved Georgia has been invaded by the hate-filled wing of the Christian body snatchers, it makes me so sad.

    By Matthew J

    September 18, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

    Her kind aren’t welcome in Atlanta? Are you kidding? They were probably welcome long before you got here. Hopping a flight from some Mid-Atlantic state to Atlanta a few years back does not even make you a Georgian, much less a local who is authorized to decide who is “welcome” here.

    By DD

    September 18, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

    Ann Coulter as the keynote speaker. How much lower can the so-called Christian Coalition go?

    By Sheila

    September 18, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

    Bill Clinton- you’re right, man! As a life long Democrat and Liberal, I live my life based upon what feels good. Why use thought (then I wouldn’t be a Liberal anymore..)?

    I like doing whatever I want, and whatever feels good to me. I don’t watse my time thinking about the others I may be hurting. Hey, we should free all those poor criminals. Maybe give them good jobs and free housing.

    And to heck with religion. As a Liberal, why would I want to believe in anything or try to better myself?

    I feel like hugging a terrorist about now. Poor fella, they’re having a hard time killing us and our children. Makes me want to hold a gay parade and raise money for them!

    By AKB

    September 18, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

    Let’s disspell a few things:

    1)Hardcore right wingers who embrace the ideology of Ann Coulter are not TRUE Christians.

    2)Just because someone is a liberal does not mean they are NOT Christians. In fact, a great many are.

    3)A great many conservatives are atheist.

    By O Shiela

    September 18, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

    Hey Shiela here’s your challenge. Explain how it is the Republican Party puts forth Christian ideals?

    Or do THEY not, “do what they feel” whenever they want how they want, and dare anyone to challenge them; through power, economics and what ever other means they have at their disposal.

    I’m waiting….

    By Mike

    September 18, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

    I love how hateful liberals feel so comfortable deciding who is a “true Christian” and who isn’t.

    Liberals always accuse conservatives of thinking that their own interpretation of Christianity is the “true” one. Looks like it is hateful liberals who do that most frequently.

    Then again, liberals are hypocrites and that’s what hypocrites do, right?

    By Philly

    September 18, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

    Jesus made it clear that marriage was between a man and woman.

    Jesus also made it clear that the will of his father was important.

    You people that just try to take what Jesus preached and nothing more make me laugh. You ignore all of Jesus’s teachings and the parts of the Bible you don’t like.

    Jesus did not need to re hash what God had already mentioned and condemned. He did refer to doing the will of his Father.

    Matthew 12: 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

    John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

    His Father also inspired both the Old and New Testaments.

    By Bobby

    September 18, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

    Yeah, life with Bill Clinton was bad when he was President. Eight long years of peace and prosperity. What a joke that was. I’ll take ol’ “W” and his accomplishments any day - largest budget deficit in history; worst job creation record in 75 years; highest prices for gasoline ever; worldwide terrorism increasing every year since 9/11; his administration failed to connect the dots prior to 9/11, allowing it to happen; highest trade deficit in history; the dollar at historic lows worldwide (Message to conservatives - don’t try to figure any of that out or even respond as it has nothing to do with either the bible or Christians).

    Remember, the ideals on which this nation was founded cannot be sacrificed at the altar of wanton executive authority in the name of national security (I can just hear the eyes glazing over on all of the conservatives who just read that).

    Look folks, conservatives are an easy target, especially here in the wonderful red state of GA. You have to remember that SAT scores were the lowest in the nation for years, so we are not dealing with a bunch of rocket scientists here. All one needs are a handful of facts, and any debate can easily be won.

    By Captain Freedom

    September 18, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

    Debbie is clearly anti-American and objectively pro-terrorist. She writes:

    “This is America and you are presumed innocent until proven otherwise.”

    If Debbie were a True Patriot who supported the War on Pigmented Terror, she would realize that we are presumed innocent until the government decides otherwise. That is why it is OK to not-torture the incarcerants in Gitmo. They were “arrested” by our governemnt, ergo they are guilty of being terrorists. Presumably, Debbie would oppose not-torturing with humane methods such as beatings and waterboarding (my personal not-torture favorite) these guys when doing so has kept us safe from attack for five years and one week.

    I will refrain from the debate over the lovely, delightful, and virginal Ms. Coulter if only because the Captain finds it difficult to keep both hands on the keyboard when he considers her talents. I’m especially moved by her distinctive Adam’s apple.

    By getalife

    September 18, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

    The ugly mindset of the American wingnut has now made it to the lowest point of our history in which we are actually debating torture. Where did my America go?

    This election is an opportunity to get our country back from the pathetic, mind numbing insanity of the wingnuts.

    BTW, Austin Powers said about Ann Coulter, “its a man baby!”

    By Andrew

    September 18, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

    The Christian Coalition is a farce and a failure. If you need proof, just see how their ‘influence’ got Ralph Reed elected. They are a hate group with most of their agenda built around filling the pockets of corrupt politicians, and paying for hate-mongering bimbos.

    By Floyd

    September 18, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

    Ann Coulter is the prettiest woman in America.

    If I could, I’d f her with all your d i c k s.

    By Captain Freedom

    September 18, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

    Bobby, you pantywaist Lib. You forget that we Ture Believers do not care a rat’s patootie about your so-called “facts” and “documentation”. We have our passion, and our opinions, as validated by Our Leader and his willing vassals Hannity, Coulter, Gallagher and Himmler.

    By Donald G Jenkins

    September 18, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

    To all those at the dinner with the blonde dumbshell, do us a favor, take yourselves and the so called ‘leader’ taking up space in the White House and go to Baghdad. Don’t come back until the job is done, but I tell you what, don’t any of you monkeys come back at all!

    By Dave

    September 18, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

    Great comments Sheila !

    By Thomas

    September 18, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

    I read her column, and enjoy it! Didn’t see the speech, but wish I had. We live in a violent world, and need all viewpoints to be heard. That the one right of freedom. It seems her comments are taken literally and much gnashing of teeth ensues, so she can sell more books I’m sure. Good Christianity is about good works, maybe more so than about blinding faith.

    Do be aware of one thing: There is evil in the world and all it needs to succeed is that good men do nothing.

    Have you heard the 11th Commandment?
    “Thou shalt not admit adultry!”

    By getalife

    September 18, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

    These are fake Christians. Torture, hatred and killing of others. Lying, cheating, stealing and killing is what they teach their children.

    More like Anti- Christians.

    By Tech

    September 18, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

    Andrew, The CC was 0-2 in the primaries, Ralph got crushed and so did Bill Stephens. Sadie was supporting both of them. Hopefully people will wake up and realize that Sadie and the CC are not as powerful as they once were.

    By Stefan

    September 18, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

    As a Christian and a life-long Libertarian I dare any Republican - Ann Coulter and the “Christian” Coalition included - to cite so much as one example of a verse in the New Testament which states that it is the will of God that we petition the government to legislate morality. Just ONE EXAMPLE, in its pure form, unadulterated by any spin-doctoring to suit your hidden agendas.

    Go for it.

    By Stefan

    September 18, 2006 1:02 PM | Link to this

    Floyd, you scare me brother. If you think Ann is pretty you need to get your eyes checked. Ann’s got a face only a mother lemur could love.

    By Andrew

    September 18, 2006 1:03 PM | Link to this

    Oh ‘Philly’…

    “You people that just try to take what Jesus preached and nothing more make me laugh. You ignore all of Jesus’s teachings and the parts of the Bible you don’t like.”

    Did you happen to ignore this Bible verse?

    Romans 14:8-13 “For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.

    For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

    But you dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set all nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgement seat of Christ.

    Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.”

    Hypocrisy is a very un-Christian trait Philly. You should maybe refrain from it unless you want to spend eternity with all the ‘gays’ in hell.

    By Matthew J

    September 18, 2006 1:04 PM | Link to this

    Lets see what republicans are called on here… “haters”- How so? Simply because we think homosexuality is a sin? How about liberal “haters” who despise people who own guns and go to church on sunday.

    Cheating, lying, stealing- so maybe like a guy who takes a 100k bribe and stores it in the freezer?

    Torture- I sure hope so. If we’re not torturing people to get the information we need to protect this country, we need to start now.

    Killing- You’re right, we should stop killing people all together. We should just take them to dinner or something. After all, I’m sure Islamic terrorists would love to sit down and talk…so long as “talk with us” means “blow up the building we’re in.

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 18, 2006 1:08 PM | Link to this

    Dave, if you think Sheila’s points are so great, why don’t you pick up that banner and explain how the Republicans are so Christian, or how they don’t do what they want? I think Mrs. Fields certainly does what she wants with a total disregard for her own daughter.

    Ahhh, didn’t think so.

    Go back to your Cobb county skool of medieval thought. Denying the evidence of evolution through politics worked for you dingbats, didn’t it? No wonder Ann was so well recieved by a place full of mindless goosestepping sheep.

    By AnnCoulter

    September 18, 2006 1:09 PM | Link to this

    I left Rush’s Viagra on the podium. If anyone sees it, will you mail it back to me?

    Smooches, Ann

    By Thoughtsofme

    September 18, 2006 1:09 PM | Link to this

    Stefan. I agree wholeheartedly. You Libertarians are a breath of fresh air in that respect. You see the truth and the inherent problem of the concept of government trying to legislate morality. Christ REFUSED to become involved in the politics of the world at the time and this contributed to His crucifixion. I’m sure you will be labeled a “commie lib” by these hardcores even though libertarians are actually more conservative than Repubs.

    They are so married to their ideology and talking points it’s ridiculous. This whole thing is so silly.

    By Andrew

    September 18, 2006 1:12 PM | Link to this

    To Matthew J.

    Yes, thats about it. Not to mention your blind allegiance to an enept president, Jack Abranoff, Ralph Reed, CIA leak, bleeding of the US Treasury, no-bid contracts in Iraq, raping of our Constitution, a flawed energy policy,Sadie Frost…

    I’ll get back to you-there are many more reasons.

    By JohnD

    September 18, 2006 1:13 PM | Link to this

    Where, oh where, do I begin?

    Extremists – those on either side of an issue, who have lost their way, lost their senses and failed to use their minds. The Far Left would serve our country up to the Islamic Terrorists by doing nothing in response to the War brought upon us for over 700 years by the followers of Islam. The Far Right would curtail freedom of speech, expression and religion if set free to control the country. Neither is a viable option.

    The President met with TALK SHOW HOSTS not REPORTERS! There is a huge difference and simply being members of the media does not equate with controlling the news. The newspapers, major networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC) and the Clinton shills (Lanny Davis, et.al.) all carried the same message about Monica Lewinsky being a liar, a predator, a star-struck little girl and all manner of other ugly attributes – UNTIL the blue dress appeared. Do you Liberals ever wonder how they all told the same story vindicating the misogynist President Clinton? Gee, could the WH have programmed them all? Worst of all of the Clinton supporters was NOW, a woman’s group (?) that claimed Clinton was innocent and to this day has not disavowed their stand. NOW would have demanded any other executive in America be prosecuted for the violation of trust and criminal conduct by President Clinton.

    Anyone, Conservative or Liberal, who believes we can talk to Al Qaeda, Hammas and the others and work this out, is a poor lost sheep. The only thing these people understand is violence. Tell me exactly what the Muslim people have contributed to society. The Arabs and Persians have received billions upon billions of dollars over the past few decades and all they have to show is a gaudy palace or fleet of luxury cars. Not one medical discovery, not one benefit to mankind in general in all this time. Now they want to be the social arbiters for the world.

    Have the Liberal women on this post all lost your minds? Supporting the Democrat Party is a sure sign of insanity when all their leaders can offer is a conciliatory plan to TALK and work things out with these avowed murderers. You are worried about whether Ann Coulter is PC when the Islamic Fascists would cover you from head to toe and lock you in your homes to bear children and keep your mouths shut. All you women would be much closer to this lifestyle if Al Gore or John Kerry had been elected President. I do not agree with much that Bush has done but the Democrats are clueless on national defense.

    Amazing to me that the Liberals charge the Right with being the authors of “hate-speech� when all the Democrats have done for almost six years is personally attack the sitting President. What have the Democrats offered in the way of a President over the past 30 years? First there was Jimmy Carter who very nearly wrecked the economy, who created the basis for the belief in Iran that a little country led by mad men could stand toe-to-toe with the US by his failure to act decisively in the hostage crisis and who has generally been a great source of embarrassment by his support of oppressive dictators around the world. Second there was Bill Clinton who could only prove his manhood with female conquest after female conquest, who was dominated by his socialist wife and who had not the fortitude or decisiveness to defend our country when attacked repeatedly by terrorists during his time in office. If you would like to point a finger at the cause for the problems we now face – Bill Clinton is your man, a DEMOCRAT.

    Simply put, there is only one person who can make the decisions necessary to save our country from the terrorists, the extremists and any others who wish to destroy us. That person is you! Our politicians are corrupt (BOTH PARTIES) and interested only in maintaining power and making themselves rich while aligning with whomever they think will generate the most votes. Kick them all out and start over – how could this possibly be any worse?

    By Liberal

    September 18, 2006 1:14 PM | Link to this

    I am a Liberal, and I own TWO GUNS and not only attend every Sunday, but am active in ministries in my church.

    Wanna talk bribes and corruption? Can you say, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay. etc??

    Let’s end the rhetoric and other B-S.

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 18, 2006 1:20 PM | Link to this

    Gee, the liberal “haters” may be after your guns (which is using government to legislate their personal beliefs) but unlike the Republicans they don’t claim GOD wants your guns, because GOD agrees with what they think. And it’s their DUTY to force you to do what GOD, and they, know is best.

    Yes, Republicans are haters when they want to use the power of government to put the ten commandments in courthouses (implying that the goverment is approving them), instead of buying a billboard and posting them where somebody might actually read them.

    If you think homosexuality is a sin, whatever. It’s your personal thing. But to use the government to stomp on gays…that’s hatred. And to get so obsessed about it…that’s homoeroticism.

    And we were fine with the Taliban as long as they were killing the Soviets. We equpped and trained ‘em. Defending oneself is one thing, running about the world like we can bomb everyone into submission is stupid.

    If you cleaned your ears as often as your guns, you might make a little sense.

    By Captain Freedom

    September 18, 2006 1:21 PM | Link to this

    JohnD,

    Your sober and rational recitation had me all “ditto” until you wandered from the path of True Belief with this apostasy:

    “Simply put, there is only one person who can make the decisions necessary to save our country from the terrorists, the extremists and any others who wish to destroy us. That person is you!”

    If you believe this tripe sir, you are objectively pro-terrorist and a member of the delightful Ms COulter’s “al Qaeda” faction.

    There is ONLY ONE PERSON in the world who can defend us from Islamocryptofascism and preserve our precious American Freedoms, and that man is President Georege W. Bush, may he rule forever. I shudder to think of where we would be if any other mortal man had been in the Oval Office when the terrorists attacked 5 years, one week, 4 hours and 35 minutes ago.

    Anyone who posits that someone else could have his powers of fortitude, manliness, and God-given foresight is either terribly misguided or a deliberate provacateur for the Isalmo-hordes.

    By DD

    September 18, 2006 1:22 PM | Link to this

    If being a Christian means seeing Ann Coulter in Heaven for eternity. I’ll take Hell and day!

    By UGA 72

    September 18, 2006 1:33 PM | Link to this

    In today’s America you can hear what is being said and put your own spin on it almost as soon as it is said. Politicians of every party, rich and richer alike all have the same problem, you can tell they are lying if their lips are moving. I don’t think there are many labels that matter anymore. The old Yellow Dog Democrats are much more conservative than the Republican party as a whole. The Republicans run away from their own base, support them and get them elected and they see how far they can get from you, here in GA for example, Sonny needed the Teachers support then abandoned them, needed the support of Law Enforcement, then abandoned them, needed the 56 Confederate Memorial Flag Voters, then abandoned them. Ah but Sonny replaced his old supporters with the monied Chamber of Commerce and of course Art Blank, it seems that Sonny didn’t learn from the past money doesn’t win elections, grass roots supporters do.

    By Kate

    September 18, 2006 1:33 PM | Link to this

    Sorry - but if Ann Coulter is aligned with the Christian movement - then I’ll turn in my membership card. What a hateful, hateful person to have represent your religion. It’s a shame that Christians line up to hear such hateful talk.

    By B. Clinton

    September 18, 2006 1:35 PM | Link to this

    Okay, Okay, it’s true. Ann did turn me down.

    I am proud of my accomplishments- remember when I sold our Nuclear secrets? Made good money on that deal. Only Hillary spent it on her new house.

    Those women I raped? Well, they wanted it, just ask the Womens groups that still support me.

    Prosperity? OOps, I’m glad all of you forgot the big Corporate scandals that were allowed to exist under my policy. And the billions regular people like you lost when the Internet hype crashed.

    Heck, if it wasn’t for the short term memories of Liberals (and some conservatives), I suppose I may have been held accountable for my (lack) of actions that ruined so many people.

    I’ve got some Koreans to meet with, they still owe me some money from the Nuclear secrets I sold them.

    By GeorgeDubya

    September 18, 2006 1:38 PM | Link to this

    All you CommiePinkoLongHairs need to lay off my main chick, Ann. Without her protuding eyes and bobbling adam’s apple, I’d have nothing to lust after and keep me fortified in this war on terror.

    Clinton had his babe, now let me have mine, okay?

    muchos besos,

    GWB

    By LD

    September 18, 2006 1:41 PM | Link to this

    Matthew J - Um, I’m a Liberal, as well are a lot of my friends and I go to church every Sunday, as do my friends. Not sure where you’re getting your info that Liberals despise people who go to church? Oh wait - is it b/c Ann Coulter says we’re “Godless”. Stop believing that drivel.

    By Stefan

    September 18, 2006 1:41 PM | Link to this

    Oh Absolutely, Captain Freedom. Only George W. Bush could have possibly responded so decisively.

    Just like…

    Only George W. Bush can leap across buildings in a single bound.

    And only George W. Bush can swat a fly with a doily.

    And only George W. Bush can nail Jell-O to a wall.

    And only George W. Bush can do elaborate yo-yo tricks using only his ding-dong.

    Tell me, good boy: what have you been smoking?

    By Reagan Conservative

    September 18, 2006 1:41 PM | Link to this

    The Pope must die, says Muslim

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367232-details/The+Pope+must+die%2C+says+Muslim/article.do

    By Midori

    September 18, 2006 1:42 PM | Link to this

    Captain America,

    your tights are too tight.

    they are cutting off your oxygen — you sound like a giant GOP talking point.

    By Reagan Conservative

    September 18, 2006 1:45 PM | Link to this

    sorry I hit the send key before I had finished commenting on what Debbie had posted. Very eye opening article.

    Everyone should understand that you CAN not negoiate with these extremists. They believe those that can not be converted should be killed.

    If you show compassion, they consider it a sign of weakness.

    By sarah

    September 18, 2006 1:49 PM | Link to this

    I was raised as a Christian and I have realized that I can no longer take part in this religion. With their alignment w/ Bush and the Republicans - and the hateful talk they spew out - I just can’t get on board w/ it anymore. Pretty convenient that Bush overlooks the commandment of Thou Shalt Not Kill. Since when do we pick and choose which commandments we would like to observe? I was in NYC during 9/11. Right there. I saw it all unfold before my eyes. I didn’t I watch it on tv b/c I was a witness to it. I find it funny how all of the people I know in NYC who were actually affected by it - they lost someone they loved - think it’s criminal what Bush is doing. And all of the people here think Bush is hero.

    By Reagan conservative

    September 18, 2006 1:50 PM | Link to this

    I hit send before I finished commenting on Debbie’s postings. Very eye opening reading.

    You can not negoiate with these extremists. They want to kill those that can not be converted.

    They will be defeated through strength and resolve. That is something the Democrats do not have.

    By Stefan

    September 18, 2006 1:57 PM | Link to this

    Sarah, please don’t give up on our great faith; these awful people are nothing more than false prophets that the Dark One has created to confuse and distract us. Remember this one simple truth: the “Christian Right” is neither.

    By Ima Liberal

    September 18, 2006 1:57 PM | Link to this

    I’m a Liberal, too. I have guns, go to church. I also smoke pot, and firmly believe that criminals should have more rights than you. Which is why I have a gun, cuz I don’t want the criminal type hurting me. They can hurt you, though.

    I think being gay is cool. I like it when gay men prey upon our neighborhood boys. Thats why I have a gun, cuz I don’t like it when they approach my boys.

    Terrorists who want to kill me and my fellow neighbor? I think we should meet, sit down and smoke a few bowls, hug each other, heck maybe swap fluids, even.

    I think we should bow down these terrorists and give in to them.

    Which is why I have a gun, cuz I’ll shoot them first. But if they attack you, well, thats OK with me. They really are nice people.

    By NeoConArtist

    September 18, 2006 1:59 PM | Link to this

    The only accurate part about the term “Christian Coalition of Georgia” is the word “Georgia” — there’s nothing Christian about what Ann Coulter has said so far. Do you so-called “Christians” like how she responded to Timothy McVeigh’s attack on America? She said:

    “My only regret about Timothy McVeigh is that he did not bomb the New York Times building.”

    You bunch of religious fanatics are the reason that the hatred and killing continues on and on, week after week.

    And you want to defend the Pope for what he has to say about the Islamic religion? What part of the Christian Crusades was not about violence? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black…

    By Sarah

    September 18, 2006 2:04 PM | Link to this

    Stefan - interesting thought.

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 18, 2006 2:19 PM | Link to this

    Oh, if only some of you chickenhawk Republicans had shown so much devotion to wiping out the Islamic fanatics when they were on our side in Afganistan. We certainly sat down and smoked a bowl or two with them in the 80’s.

    We could have gotten them when they came to pick up the weapons that we were giving them.

    By Youire an Idiot

    September 18, 2006 2:21 PM | Link to this

    WOW, Ima Liberal!

    How judgemental of you. I guess that’s ok for you in YOUR church, but not ok in mine (the Christian Church).

    By Watta Load

    September 18, 2006 2:25 PM | Link to this

    @@Midori

    Captain America is the smartest person to frequent these blogs…read between the lines…here’s a hint (satire).

    As to the topic…I”ve never found Annie to be that religious so it seems strange that she would align with the CC…or does she even pretend to have credibility anymore…I get the feeling..for her…it’s less about philosophy and more about $$$…

    Good on her..

    By Ted

    September 18, 2006 2:26 PM | Link to this

    Just think, if the first poster ‘Will Jones’ had made the very same comments about Islam that he made about the Catholic Church, There would be riots from Iran to Indonesia and many people would die for his “right” to show his vitriol and idiocy. But - have any of you heard any outrage from the civilized Catholics of the world? No?, wonder why - civilization vs. barbarism..

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 2:28 PM | Link to this

    My name is Will Jones and I like men.

    By Stefan

    September 18, 2006 2:31 PM | Link to this

    Oh, but it’s not judgmental at all to post under the name “Youire (sic) an Idiot.”

    Riiiiiiiiiiight.

    By Captain Freedom

    September 18, 2006 2:39 PM | Link to this

    Watta Load,

    I am deadly serious. My role in the battle against anti-American Islamofascism is not to be sneered at, you pinko. Your efforts at misleading the likely not-a-man midori is unbecoming at best, and a subtle act of subversion as well.

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 18, 2006 2:39 PM | Link to this

    Will, I think I speak for everyone on this blog when I say we’re proud of your orientation, and supportive of your coming-out process. You’re good enough, you’re smart enough, and doggone it, people like you.

    Especially Ima Liberal, who is is baking you a cake, I’m sure.

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 2:42 PM | Link to this

    Please allow me the opportunity to amend my previous remarks. My name is Will Jones and I like men, except for those dirty rotten Catholics. Thank you and have a nice day.

    By joe

    September 18, 2006 2:43 PM | Link to this

    How people find the spare time to pay money & go listen to idiots like Coulter is beyond me. Don’t these people have have anything else to do, unless they thought it was a carnival freak show? I mean ‘cmon, do people really believe they are getting the truth from these Tokyo Roses? That’s what they are, just propagandists for the right wing. And thanks goes out the knucklehead who says he and Boortz & the like go to the WH for briefings on what to say on their programs. Never thought Bushie was so hands-on. I thought he left that up to Cheney and Rove. And to the folks who p** away their money @ this thing; don’t tell me ;most of you drive Lexus’ or Mercedes with big W’s on the rear window and live in McMansions in neighborhoods where they tell you what color to paint your house, what kind of flowers to plant, when to turn your lights off on Halloween, etc…..SHEEP. Wake-up! Get rid of all the incumbents and send a message loud and clear to the WH their days are numbered. We want a complete change in Washington, NOW!

    By The Pope

    September 18, 2006 2:53 PM | Link to this

    Trying to understand the mind of a liberal will try even the longsuffering of a man of God:

    1) Liberals are more concerned about the lives of the guilty terrorists in prison than the innocent children aborted every day under the dubious “right to choose” slogan.

    2) Liberals pretend to know the will of God but do not object to being called “godless” as Ann pointed out this weekend. BTW: God does not approve of murder and justified taking the lives of those who do murder. This is called justice.

    3) Liberals think evolution has been proven beyond any doubt. Ask any real scienctist and they will tell you it is still in the theory stage.

    God forgive your ignorance.

    By Oh My!

    September 18, 2006 2:59 PM | Link to this

    By Oh My! Link this

    The “Queen of Shock” was in the “City of Cobb” over the weekend and I understand she drew a crowd Very Large crowd and raised a lot of money for the “Christan Coalition”. I understand my friend “Meltdown Ralph” was not in attendance! It is unbelievable that the founding father of the “CC” was not present! Just goes to show you how the “CC” will just throw you to the curb when they no longer need you. I wonder if “Sonny” was there??? You Know “Sonny Did”.

    Coulter is the biggest Phony, next to the King of Shock, “Rush” you could ever see or meet! This “woman”, and I am using this word in a very,very loose meaning! She would jump off the top of the Time Square Neon Sign at “High Noon” in her “Birthday Suit” just to sell a book! The saddest part of this whole charade she doesn’t belive a D** bit of what she is saying!

    Rush, the Oxycoton, Virga, Internet Divorcee (Just case you new listerners doesn’t remember how he met his Second or Third wife, depending on who you believe)does belive everything he says! That is why his types of Phonnies are so dangerous! They are the “Hood & Sheetless” KKK! When Ann C. is just selling BULL!!!!!!!

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 3:02 PM | Link to this

    ….did someone say SHEEP. Where? Did I mention that I like SHEEP too!

    Joe, did it ever occur to you that since this is still America, I am free to spend my money on the car and home of my choice. I like being in a neighborhood with restrictive convenants because it keeps turds like you, who want to hang their laundry on the junked cars in their front yards, from living anywhere near me.

    But don’t take my insults personally. Actually, it is probable that I would like to get to know you, if you get my drift - big boy!

    By Stefan

    September 18, 2006 3:05 PM | Link to this

    OK “The Pope,” riddle me this:

    How is it possible that so-called ‘Christian Rightists’ - or whatever you people call yourselves - can be so adamant in your opposition to abortion, yet you so blindly support capital punishment despite the fact that it has been asserted countless times over the centuries by Biblical scholars (past popes included) that God is the only one who has the right to decide when a human being should die?

    Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

    By Matthew J

    September 18, 2006 3:10 PM | Link to this

    I never said liberals don’t go to church. I said the liberal wing of the democratic party often goes after the people who do. Same with gun ownership. Why else would the far left pursue such a worthless gun control policy? They do it because it angers the right. Why do you think people on the right pursue things like prayer in school? Because it p** the liberals off. Now this isn’t to say that the extreme on both sides doesn’t support those positions, but the support coming from the middle is directed at the opponent rather than truly advocting the cause…to quote The West Wing…”they don’t like people who like guns.” It goes both ways. What does Abramoff have to do with anything? Nobody said there aren’t sleazy GOPers, but I’m sick of the left acting as though they are a blameless and ethical group while the GOP is morally repugnant. You’ll trash Bush, but ignore Blanco and Nagin’s complete failure. You’ll call the GOP divisive, but attempt to run down the administration for things they have little control over. You’ll blame Bush for 9/11, but ignore facts saying Clinton passed up a chance on Bin Laden. You’ll say we shouldnt be fighting Bush’s war, but ignore that the Democrats voted to go in the first place. You’ll say we wasted time and money on the Clinton impeachment, but ignore the time and money wasted on the Valerie Plame “affair.” You’ll accuse the administration of outing a (not so covert) operative, but ignore that Plame sent her husband on a mission with the sole purpose of discrediting Bush (lets hold an investigation on that…) You’ll say Republicans are drones for Bush, Limbaugh and Rove, but say that Michael Moore, Bill Maher, and Howard Dean are somehow legitimate political minds. You’ll go after Ralph Reed, but support McKinney. You’ll accuse the administration of giving away contracts to Halliburton, but ignore the continued business they’ve recieved from other administrations.

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 3:13 PM | Link to this

    Joe, did you say SHEEP? Where? Did I mention that I like SHEEP too! (Can sheep be Catholic? I don’t think that I would like one of them.)

    Did it ever occur to you that since this is still America, I am free to spend my money on the car and home of my choice. I like being in a neighborhood with restrictive convenants because it keeps turds like you, who want to hang their laundry on the junked cars in their front yards, from living anywhere near me.

    But don’t take my insults personally. Actually, it is probable that I would like to get to know you, if you get my drift - big boy!

    By Captain Freedom

    September 18, 2006 3:16 PM | Link to this

    While objecting to his blasphemous use of the of the Pontiff’s first name, the Captain agree’s with Pope’s post of 2:53. As a stalwart defender of the rights of blastocyst-Americans everywhere, the Captain also wonders how anyone can defend the guilty prisoners who Our Holy Leader (the President, not the Pope, who is known to be a minion of Satan) wishes to not-torture into giving us essential information to help Jack Bauer keep us safe.

    As for the comment about the so-called THEORY of evolution, well, I can only say BRAVO to this unanswreable rejoinder. It is high time this theory be relegated to the dustbin along with those other theories like the Theory of Gravity, the Theory of Relativity, the Theory of Genetic Transmission, and my favorite unproved pet of the pony-tailed liberal know-it-alls, the Germ Theory of Disease. Some people will believe anything.

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 3:21 PM | Link to this

    Mathew J - Could you please refrain from infusing your post with facts and salient points. It is confusing to me. I just want to hate the ‘haters’, and when you say things that make sense, I get all flamustered. I’ll bet you are one them Catholics. Or, at the very least, I’ll bet you have friends who are Catholic.

    By the way. Did I mention that I like men?

    By The Pope

    September 18, 2006 3:23 PM | Link to this

    4) Liberals try to change the subject when they have no intelligent response and make up some nonsense about the history of Biblical scholarship to oppose the death penalty. This does fit with the twisted notion that murderers should live a comfortable life in prison even though they forfeited that right by taking another life.

    I need a new line of work. This forgiveness is getting harder and harder Lord.

    By Captain Freedom

    September 18, 2006 3:26 PM | Link to this

    The Captain wishes to apologize to anyone who may have been offended by his comment about the Pope. While the Captain feels his remark is technically accurate, he understands that some may find it potentially offensive, and regrets that it may be. He merely wished to open a friendly and substantive dialogue regarding the head of the Papist conspiracy to create a one world government.

    The Captain regrets that anyone managed to find offense in his unobjectionable remark.

    By Stefan

    September 18, 2006 3:28 PM | Link to this

    It’s things like this forum that make me glad I am a Libertarian, because (a) I will never need to feel obligated to sit around calling Democrats OR Republicans “stupid” for not agreeing with me, and (b) I will never be held responsible for supporting the activities of a party that, over the ages, has devoted obscene amounts of time, money and energy to disparaging the opposing party at the expense of getting anything meaningful accomplished to benefit the constituency it is supposed to be serving (and yes, BOTH “teams” are guilty of that).

    Ah yes, liberating indeed. =) So….. any of you partisan clowns care to toss off the shackles and join me?

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 18, 2006 3:35 PM | Link to this

    Oh, c’mon, the Democrats/liberals act like they’re the only ones who are blameless and ethical. So do the conservative/Republicans. So what’s the difference?

    I don’t see the Democrats having fund-raisers headed by bible-thumpers, with such funds intended for voter’s guides to BE DISTRIBUTED IN CHURCHES. Or claiming that they need to be elected or GOD WILL CURSE THIS NATION. Ann wasn’t speaking at a liberal democratic churchgoing fundraiser, was she? Nope, the audience was headed up by the queen of non-orgasmic bitterness and hate in the name of God, Sadie Fields.

    You theocratic Bush-huggers can yammer about Bill Clinton, Howard Dean, and whoever else, but the GOP’s deliberate manipulation of religion is beyond disgusting. Take your snake-oil and sell it elsewhere. The spanking delivered to Ralphie Reed indicates that your GOP/Christian Coalition/Anorexia Annie crowd is being seen for the vote w******* that you are.

    By The Pope

    September 18, 2006 3:37 PM | Link to this

    No more responses? My work here is done.

    God bless.

    By albert hollis

    September 18, 2006 3:38 PM | Link to this

    Captaion Freedom and Will Jones should join forces. Looks like a marriage made in Heaven. (A Catholic ‘free’ zone, so to speak.)

    By Stefan

    September 18, 2006 3:38 PM | Link to this

    Um, “Pope”, I’m not a liberal, for one thing. I am a Libertarian.

    Secondly, the “nonsense of Biblical scholarship” is not nonsense. It is as real and immutable as the Church itself, for it is based on an objective analysis of the Scriptures that serve as the doctrine to govern both. And by “Church” I do NOT mean the Catholic church. I mean the Church of Christianity in its purest, most universal and untainted form.

    And lastly, you avoided my question altogether in favor of “deciding” that I somehow endorse the idea of terrorists “living comfortably” in prison. When did I say they should live comfortably? I did not; I merely stated that we are not acting in accordance with the will of God when we take it upon ourselves to PLAY God and decide that people should die.

    Please pay better attention, and don’t put words in my mouth. Thank you.

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 3:49 PM | Link to this

    BiteMeAnn, is bush-hugging legal in Georgia? Of course, I wouldn’t know or care, because I like men.

    By Ellen Fix

    September 18, 2006 3:57 PM | Link to this

  • The bible, Jesus and religion do not belong in legitimate politcal discussions. Discuss it amongst your friends and in your churches and synagogues, but leave it out of intelligent government.
  • Ethics, however, does belong in politics; and in government, where it goes wanting. Ethics, as defined by L. Ron Hubbard, is long-term survival for the individual, the family, groups and mankind. A decision is good which results in the longest survival for the greatest number of people. A decision (or thing or force or idea) is bad which advocates maximum destruction for the largest number of people. Destruction does not just mean physical, but could be a destroying of ideas, of free thinking, or spirit, etc.
  • Based on the above definition, no exigent political party could be said to be very ethical in their rhetoric, their decisions, or their voting record. And, no Saun Hannity and your ilk, you nor Ann Coulter nor Llimbaugh nor N. Boortz nor any of the other ENTERTAINERS that pass yourselves off as keepers of the truth or some such nonsense - none of you has the right to define for humanity what is evil and what is good. In fact, to the degree that you continueto think WAR IS GOOD and PEACE IS BAD, you are living examples of the evil about which you claim to be experts.
  • By Ellen Fix

    September 18, 2006 3:59 PM | Link to this

  • The bible, Jesus and religion do not belong in legitimate politcal discussions. Discuss it amongst your friends and in your churches and synagogues, but leave it out of intelligent government.
  • Ethics, however, does belong in politics; and in government, where it goes wanting. Ethics, as defined by L. Ron Hubbard, is long-term survival for the individual, the family, groups and mankind. A decision is good which results in the longest survival for the greatest number of people. A decision (or thing or force or idea) is bad which advocates maximum destruction for the largest number of people. Destruction does not just mean physical, but could be a destroying of ideas, of free thinking, or spirit, etc.
  • Based on the above definition, no exigent political party could be said to be very ethical in their rhetoric, their decisions, or their voting record. And, no Saun Hannity and your ilk, you nor Ann Coulter nor Llimbaugh nor N. Boortz nor any of the other ENTERTAINERS that pass yourselves off as keepers of the truth or some such nonsense - none of you has the right to define for humanity what is evil and what is good. In fact, to the degree that you continueto think WAR IS GOOD and PEACE IS BAD, you are living examples of the evil about which you claim to be experts.
  • By cece4184

    September 18, 2006 4:02 PM | Link to this

    I used to love this country and now I hate it (this administration, that is). As a liberal, I’d like to ask you Repubs: please describe the country you would like to have if all the commie liberals left and formed their own country —?? I’m actually interested — please elucidate (I mean besides attacking us without provocation).

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 18, 2006 4:06 PM | Link to this

    Oh, Captain Freedom, can you please post some more? Your All-American Manliness excites me to no end. I feel an overwhelming urge to stop thinking for myself, burn all those silly scientific books that clutter my shelves, fall in line behind the Holy Leader of the American Republic, (under your guidance as the man and head of the household) and chain myself to your stove. Only then will I be safe from the Islamofasicists and Godless Liberals who oppose want to scratch “In God We Trust” off all our currency, thus leading to the fall of our great Republic

    And maybe you could get me one of Ann’s signed books if I bake you some chocolate-chip cookies? I promise I won’t use the recipe of that FemiNazi Hillary.

    By Ima Liberal

    September 18, 2006 4:23 PM | Link to this

    I’d like to ask you Repubs: please describe the country you would like to have if all the commie liberals left and formed their own country —??

    Well, umm, if we Libs had our own Country, who would pay for all the social programs?

    Someone (Repubs) has to work, and make a profit, and pay taxes (high taxes when Dems get their way).

    Wow, think of a totally Liberal society where wo do whatever we want without morals or ethics. But wait, what happens when we step on, or hurt the other guy? Ah who cares, we’re LIBERALS, we just think of ourselves.

    It would be cool for criminals, as it’s not their fault they commit crimes. It was Bush who made them rob that bank, rape your kids, or steal your Prius. Damn him anyway!

    Now, pass the pot around for all of us to share…

    By Captain Freedom

    September 18, 2006 4:30 PM | Link to this

    Mr Hollis,

    The Captain certainly does not dream of a world free of Papists. Some of his best friends are Catholic.

    No, we must band together to eliminate the scourge of Islamocryptofacism, and other Pigmented Plagues. Then once we are rid of the liberals who seek to destroy our nation from within….then and only then should we turn our gaze toward the Satan of Rome.

    By cece4184

    September 18, 2006 4:39 PM | Link to this

    I asked you to describe your country. Our country will be our own business!

    By Patti

    September 18, 2006 4:56 PM | Link to this

    Bad news for all you crazies who pretend to love God. GOD A LIBERAL! God loves those who love the least of his children. Haters are NOT high on his list of good people.

    Also, please learn the definition of facism. FACISM is the joining of Government and Business to the benefit of each other and the detriment of the people. There is absolutly nothing about Islam that could be considered facist. Some of the wingnuts in the Islamic faith do some horrible and disguting things that they will surely be judged harshly for when they meet their maker but then…you only have to read this blog to see a lot of Christian wingnuts who will also be judged harshly. OH!! BACK TO FACISM…Can anyone think of any country who’s government has joined together with corporations to benefit each other while harming the people??? Anyone???? Anyone????

    By Bryan

    September 18, 2006 5:08 PM | Link to this

    In a world where people such as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity et. al are given official credibility, credibility has no meaning.

    To follow this crowd means you are either complicit in their crimes, or a completely gullible moron who will follow anyone or anything deemed “Christian.”

    If Barry Goldwater or Richard Nixon were alive today, they’d be branded as liberals and banished from the Republican Party. Goldwater was against the Vietnam war, believed the government had no right to ban abortion and cautioned against reckless fiscal policy. Nixon created the EPA, recognized “Red” China and ended the draft.

    Wake up Conservatives!!! The flawed and disengenous policies your political and media heroes espouse are literally ruining this country.

    I know you probably don’t care for the Democrats all that much, and there not without their pecadillos. But, I’m sorry folks, it’s a two-party system in this country and that’s the best choice we have.

    Stop spending all your time praying and watching Nancy Grace and pick up a frikkin newspaper, for the love of God!

    By vince

    September 18, 2006 5:20 PM | Link to this

    Will, you’re fabulous, either the greatest scam artist and imposter—you precisely covered every single hate-filled Old Christian Right cliche—or really a retard. I can just see you 110 lbs, bulging Adam’s apple, cigarette down to its filter,feverishly pounding away on your computer. In any case, keep up the good work. Most entertaining crap I’ve read in years.

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 5:32 PM | Link to this

    September 18, 2006 03:49 PM is a pathetic fraud…just like George “Closet-queen, draft-dodger” Bush.

    Rather employ ad hominem fallacy than reason and argument?

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 6:09 PM | Link to this

    Regardless of fallacies employed by Rome’s Fifth Column fascist faction:

    Bush is easily proven culpable of 9-11;

    Iraq is false war based on proven lies;

    Bush’s father made public statement of his being “unable to recall” his whereabouts upon hearing of President Kennedy’s assassination - even though FBI memos place him within range of the murder and in the CIA, which a jury determined committed the crime;

    Bush’s grandfather was the money conduit to the author of “I Paid Hitler,” papal baron and fellow Knight of Malta, Fritz “The Rockefeller of Germany” Thyssen;

    Bushes have been Vatican-banker Rockefeller lieutenants since Standard Oil was built on unredressed “murder and arson” in 1870’s Cleveland;

    Nixon was Prescott Bush’s protege and also demonstrated an interest in concealing his actual whereabouts upon hearing of JFK’s assassination: though he went public with three fictitious explanations Nixon learned of the CIA’s assassination of John Kennedy while sitting in a jetliner taxiing for takeoff at Dallas’ Love Field;

    Kennedy had ordered the complete military withdrawal, with 120 Americans having been killed in Vietnam since 1956, six weeks prior to the Knight of Malta-led CIA’s assassination;

    58,000 Americans died in Vietnam for the five percent Roman Catholic elite which then owned 95% of that country’s wealth;

    Entry to the Guard and Reserve was officially closed in 1967 for 18 months when George W. Bush was cheated under a “locked door” by his Congressman-father;

    The Secret Service has released the log book of the “social entrance” of the White House proving that homosexual prostitute “Jeff Gannon” visited almost 200 times during a two-year period. Many visits were overnight.

    Bush’s perversion is his and his family’s own business.

    Bush’s hypocrisy is the business of the American People.

    False war is treason. No drop of American blood should be risked without a Declaration of War.

    Delay, Livingstone, Gingrich, Abramoff, Cunningham, Ney, Bush, Reed all go to demonstrate a culture of corruption, perversion, false patriotism, and treason.

    Recognizing the trans-generational Roman Catholic/Rockefeller/Bush/Nixon/Cheney Fifth Column proves the righteousness of America’s Founder and Prophet Thomas Jefferson: there is a “conspiracy between church and state.” It is “an engine for enslaving mankind.”

    The American People must once more remove the Tory/papist cancer from our midst.

    Those who “defend” the indefensible in Bush’s treason of 9-11 and false war are the same traitors who embrace illegal immigration as it undermines decent Americans wishing to earn a living wage, as the China Trade privately profits the Bush Crime family while destroying the Working Class whose jobs are shipped overseas.

    Noticed the record heroin production in Afghanistan since Bush’s cronies got there?

    Did you not know Dubai is the largest heroin transhipment point in the world?

    What an “interesting” “coincidence” was Bush’s proposed port deal?

    Wake up, America!

    By Susan

    September 18, 2006 6:33 PM | Link to this

    the Christian right’s motto: my God can beat up your God

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 18, 2006 6:44 PM | Link to this

    Will was doing so much better there for a while.

    Guess he missed his meds, or maybe his aluminum foil hat fell off.

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 6:59 PM | Link to this

    “Brilliant” riposte, BitMeAnn.

    Seems you concede the points made and put your efforts toward being “cute?”

    Your cultural background discourages “brainwork?”

    America was founded out of Reason. Try acting like a true American.

    By Roger Sizemore

    September 18, 2006 7:33 PM | Link to this

    So many words wasted on a woman with a serious progesterone deficiency and no real ideas. These Protestant “conservatives” really are easy to manage. When they aren’t defending the bona fides of a Catholic f* from New York, they’re sending their money to Israel in hopes of making the first bus out on the Rapture. All you have to do is tell them it’s what their betters believe, and they’ll pay retail for it.

    By cece4184

    September 18, 2006 7:46 PM | Link to this

    I see no conservatives took me up on what “their country” would look like. Here’s some suggestions: No abortion (12-y/o’s having babies/illegal abortions) No social security or Medicare (get ready to change Mom’s & Dad’s diapers) No “gov’ment schools” (only rich kids go to school) No bankruptcy (debtor’s prison) Men supporting their families again (not a bad idea!) It’s starting to sound like East Germany. Maybe the liberals will have to build a wall to keep the right-wingers out!

    By C. C. Millah

    September 18, 2006 8:52 PM | Link to this

    Glue a limp bleach-blonde wig on a doberman and you have that thing’s twin.

    By Papist

    September 18, 2006 8:54 PM | Link to this

    Gee Will..you have an ax to grind with Catholics don’t you…well..most secularists hate us..we understand that…and they get encouragement from Cynthia Tucker who believe that anti-Catholic bigotry is acceptable…

    By Libby Rawls

    September 18, 2006 9:10 PM | Link to this

    well in a conservative society I fear we might have to work to earn our keep and not be free to exercise our right to a hand out. Conservatives wantpeople to work when we have a right to be given freebies and we liberals will always demand our freebies…paid for by tax payers of course…but not us..we liberlas don’t work so we don’t pay taxes

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 9:22 PM | Link to this

    Papist: My axe is Jefferson’s and the Whig Founders of the United States of America.

    To Samuel Kercheval Monticello, January 19, 1810

    SIR, -- Yours of the 7th instant has been duly received, with the pamphlet inclosed, for which I return you my thanks. Nothing can be more exactly and seriously true than what is there stated; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ.

    Leave your homosexual, pedophile priesthood and the Carrolls, Buckleys, Keatings, and Rockefellers of Rome’s Fifth Column which financed Hitler through Prescott Bush, used their assassins in the Knight of Malta-led CIA to murder Our President six-weeks after his NSAM 263 ordered the military withdrawal of all U.S. Armed Forces from S.E. Asia; murdered 3,000 of us on 9-11 to create a false war for Roman Catholic “Big Oil” and the Chaldean Roman Catholics of Iraq…

    read and understand the above quote from America’s Founder and Prophet and become American…and closer to Divine Providence we ask to “bless our endeavors.”

    It isn’t “bigotry.” Many of my ancestors were Roman Catholic. Once in America they wised up to the increased blessings won for us by true patriots. Every Roman Catholic duped by Rome’s “Black Aristocracy” and pedophile priesthood can be healed as an American.

    When my grandfather cold-cocked the professor/priest at Notre Dame in the act of beating a much smaller student, he left the Anti-Christ and became American, fully.

    Bush/Walkers have been Rome’s mobsters in St. Louis and Kansas City. Perhaps a Bush or Walker was on the “hit-team” that murdered Meriwether Lewis fleeing back to his uncle in Washington to report of Rome’s power west of the Republic.

    Justice must be done: for our dead of Vietnam, the victims of 9-11, John Kennedy and Dr. King, and our dead of Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Rome’s Fifth Column is guilty.

    Of treason and misprision of treason, here, and for Hitler and the Holocaust.

    America’s Founders knew Rome to be the Anti-Christ. Having a closet-queen draft-dodger in Our White House, whose father helped to kill President Kennedy and whose grandfather was Hitler’s banker, so far getting away with committing 9-11, is proof enough for me that the same satanic power is yet afoot and Our Founders intelligence is yet to be surpassed.

    All those who think themselves smarter than America’s Whig Founders identify yourselves and start holding forth, please.

    By John C. Fremont

    September 18, 2006 9:22 PM | Link to this

    Debbie

    As a Baptist did you say p*** footing? And you went to the “”Christian Coalition”” rally?

    By John C. Fremont

    September 18, 2006 9:34 PM | Link to this

    Debbie—-how many of your former husbands are still living?

    By Eric

    September 18, 2006 9:35 PM | Link to this

    Isn’t it ironic that Mr. anti-Catholic Nazi has conspiracy theories regarding the assination of the only Catholic(at least in name) president? Also, isn’t it ironic that these protestants are being labled as Catholics and Nazis when the Catholics were the Nazis 2nd biggest target? So it’s the Catholics fault that some protestants killed the Catholic president and it’s the Catholic’s fault that some protestants funded a monster who killed Catholics?

    All we’re missing now is black helicopters. Is Will the guy putting up those “Don’t go to Church on Sundays” signs on the interstate?

    Isn’t it ironic…dont you think?

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 10:00 PM | Link to this

    Eric, Read “A Moral Reckoning,” by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen (author of “Hitler’s Willing Executioners”) to fully understand the moral, ethical, and legal guilt of two popes and the Roman Catholic Church in the rise of Hitler (whose finance was arranged by Rockefeller-lieutenant and Knight of Malta Prescott Bush) and the Holocaust.

    Four of the first seven heads of the CIA were also Knights of Malta - the papal fraternity whose members openly claim to “run the Vatican.” It was on Knights of Malta passports that 2,000 Nazi SS officers escaped Nuremberg during the Vatican/OSS “Operation Ratline,” during which the Croatian Roman Catholic priesthood secreted over 30,000 Nazi SS out of Europe…through the Vatican’s “basement” for “humanitarian” reasons. John Loftus and others have written well on the subject.

    It isn’t “theory” that George H.W. Bush stated before bona fide journalists that he was “unable to recall” his whereabouts upon hearing of President Kennedy’s assassination.

    The only other two Americans born prior to 1959 with the same “inability” are Richard Nixon and E. Howard Hunt. Read “Plausible Denial,” if you actually care to discovery that a Federal District Court Jury determined that the CIA killed John Kennedy. Fact, not “theory.”

    As to the myth you wish to promote: “Catholics were targets of Roman Catholic, and never-excommunicated Adolph Hitler,” read Roman Catholic Gordon Zahn on the subject…or Goldhagen’s “Hitler’s Willing Executioners.” Goldhagen was award the “Democracy Prize” by the government of Germany so it is probably a bit better researched that your papist wish.

    You also might want to review Hitler’s autobiography, “Mein Kampf,” to discover just how “enthusiastic” a Roman Catholic he was.

    Two popes thought he was such a good Roman Catholic that they each signed Concordats with him…but “nice” try.

    Rather not move to a truly Roman Catholic country? Or, you’ld rather just promote the illegals to take over this one, eh?

    By Will Jones

    September 18, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this

    PS Eric, Do you think the Bushes are “Protestant” because they call themselves Methodist or Episcopalian? Their religion is the Devil’s.

    Prescott Bush financed the author of “I Paid Hitler,” papal baron, and his fellow Knight of Malta, Fritz “The Rockefeller of Germany” Thyssen.

    Google:”Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz” if you seek the facts of the matter.

    Prescott Bush called himself “Episcopalian” even though he was a sworn member of the Vatican-running Knights of Malta who were still practicing slavery of Jews on the Mediterranean Sea into the 1890’s. Could Bush have been “Christian” let alone “Episcopalian?”

    Look at W. What “tribe” is he? Any knowledge of anthropology or ethnology?

    Bushes are not “WASPs.” GHWBush is incontrovertibly guilty of some role in President Kennedy’s assassination.

    Ergo: Protestants did not murder John Kennedy.

    Dulles brothers (Presbyterian) were with Sullivan and Cromwell when they were funnelling U.S. Roman Catholic money to Hitler. One of their sons is now a Roman Catholic cardinal.

    Evil knows no religion for evil is of the Devil.

    Rome’s Fifth Column is of the Anti-Christ and America had better watch it “fall in a day,” soon, D.V.

    By kelley

    September 18, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this

    this woMAN is a real jerk. she lies and lies about telling lies.

    By C.C. Millah

    September 19, 2006 6:27 AM | Link to this

    Why can’t we all just get along? There’s no reason for different religions and different politics to fight like dogs and cats. I mean look at how the Pope’s comments got him in trouble. Time to smile and be nice to each other!

    By Eri

    September 19, 2006 7:20 AM | Link to this

    Will, maybe if you switched your hate in eveything you’ve writen from “Catholic” to “Mason” you’d be closer to the truth.

    By Will Jones

    September 19, 2006 8:11 AM | Link to this

    Eri, Masons founded America. I’ve no idea, other than the greatness of Scottish Rite Hospital, what they are getting done for America today.

    The Bush/Nixon/Rockefeller/CFR/CIA Fifth Column serves Rome, not America.

    Rome is the “real Anti-Christ.” The Founders were correct then and world events prove them correct today.

    Purging the traitors of Rome’s Fifth Column will reestablish America’s posterity and covenant.

    Please provide your evidence that Goldhagen’s work, “A Moral Reckoning,” proving the culpability of two popes and the Roman Catholic Church in the Holocaust, is flawed.

    After you “accomplish” that impossible feat, tell us, as did Vatican-banker David Rockefeller, how Vietnam was a “pro-Western, Christian democracy” that needed 58,000 American G.I.’s to die for the five percent Roman Catholic Vietnamese population that owned 95% of that country’s wealth.

    Then explain how having at least one convicted pedophile priest in each of the Roman Catholic Church’s 188 dioceses in the U.S. doesn’t suggest a pattern.

    America is the Lifeboat of the World.

    America’s Founders, and the Mottoes they bequeathed, can yet lead friends of freedom, justice, and truth to The Promised Land.

    The Roman Babylon shall fall in a day…and all the world will see.

    Come to righteousness or stay in “Egypt:” your choice.

    By JohnD

    September 19, 2006 9:48 AM | Link to this

    Captain Freedom - my reference to “you” was you the American Voter. Only by voting can we clean out the trash in Congress.

    I agree, George W. Bush is the right man at the right time.

    Will Jones never met a conspiracy he did not love. No updates on the Trilateral Commission? How about David Rockefeller’s statement he is proud to have moved the world toward a global economy that erases all national boundaries?

    Ellen Fix, the classic blue sky liberal. War is bad - Peace is good. Hard to argue that point until the next moronic suicide bomber targets her family reunion. But then I imagine she will want to sit down with the Iranis, Syrians and the like to better understand the reasons her family was murdered.The ISLAMIC TERRORISTS HAVE VOWED TO KILL US ALL. What part of that is so difficult for the LIBERALS to understand? They just smoke another joint and mellow out rather than face the truth.

    Everyone on this post needs to take the time to read the Federalist Papers.

    By kaosktrl

    September 19, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

    Amazing , You cant choose the enemy Islam is at war with the world , you can choose to ignore that and try to call the enemy an alli, but that doesnt change anything.

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 19, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

    I love how you conservatives try to co-opt the idea of having “the way” to fight terrorism. Nobody (including liberals) wants to hug terrorists. But if you disagree with the way Bush is doing it, then that doesn’t make you a yellow-bellied pothead peacenik. It makes you someone who thinks we’re fighting in a stupid manner.

    And why can’t you guys argue your own ideas, instead of posting in a sarcastic imitation of what you think a liberal would say? It’s easier to sling mud then articulate or defend your own stuff, perhaps that’s why it’s a characteristic of the paranoid GOP worldview.

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 19, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

    Off topic (sorta) and in a no kidding kind of way: Will Jones, I hope you’re just a blog troll. But if your posts are serious, please print them out and take them to a mental health professional.

    And I’m not saying this to be an a**, I think you may really need some help.

    By Martel

    September 19, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

    On September 18, 2006 11:04 AM BiteMeAnn said: Okay Martel: • Wives can use condoms. There are female condoms. Sorry that you’re ignorant of that fact.

    +++Martel - Yes, female condoms do exist and I am sure they are as popular in Africa as they are in the US. We both know what the vast majority of people think of when you tell them they should use a condom.

    • Women in Africa often have no say over whether their husbands have sex with other women, or anyone else. BTW, AIDS is mostly spread by heterosexual means in Africa, so please don’t haul your “high risk behavior� judgemental self into that gabfest. The fact that the Pope, and the hierachy of the church specifically tells those wives that asking husbands to use a condom is a sin. The Catholic church has a lot of moral and social authority in places where AIDS is more commonly spread heterosexually, and the result is women (and their children) dying in great droves. This ain’t a coincidence. The women’s only high-risk behavior is being married. The Pope thinks it’s okay to for those women to have no alternative to getting AIDS.

    +++Martel - The fact is that heterosexuals are getting HIV from other people who are either sexually promiscuous, have had homosexual relations (the gay community is much more promiscuous than the hetero community) or relations with/use of IV drug users. You can skip over the part about just where/from who the heterosexuals are contracting HIV if you must, but you are less than fully truthful in doing so. It is tragic that HIV has hit the gay community so hard. But, to act as if the risk of HIV is mainly in the non-IV drug using, monogamous, heterosexual community is simply not true. You are helping no one by telling only partial truths. You are helping no one by making them feel less uncomfortable with what are known high risk behaviors.

    +++Martel - Given your assertion that the Pope’s word is so strong, influential and widely accepted that it is virtually the reason for the spread of HIV/AIDS (ex: women won’t use condoms), perhaps you can explain why people seem to ignore him when he also says that: sex should be limited to a monogamous relationship; that IV drug use is bad and that sex should be between a man and a woman. Why does he have so little influence when he says these things to people?

    +++ Martel - Your position is like saying that people are dying when swimming in the lake because the Pope is against the use of jet skis on the lake. Never mind that the lake is known to have a high number of hungry alligators and, that the people swimming are dying because they are being eaten by the alligators. The fact may be that people riding the jet skis are less likely to be eaten on the lake. But the risk is still there and the consequences the same.

    +++Martel - If you are really concerned about the deaths on the lake, the better preventive measure is to be honest and tell people that the lake is “high risk� because it has a lot of alligators in it, and to tell them that the best way to avoid death by being eaten by the alligators is to stay out of the lake. Pointing out the specific activities that are known to be the highest risk is far from judgmental. It is merely being truthful about the reality.

    • Well, I’d rather rely on a condom to protect me than the Pope, as he obviously doesn’t give a crap. Would you rather rely on prayer than a rubber? Don’t tell me you’re that stupid.

    +++Martel - I would rely, and recommend, the safe practice of avoiding the known high risk behaviors such as promiscuous sex, sex with promiscuous people; IV drug use or sex with IV drug users. I would never suggest that anyone rely on a CONDOM as THE way to protect themselves from HIV/AIDS. You should not do that either. Tell people what lakes to stay out of.

    By The Pope

    September 19, 2006 3:22 PM | Link to this

    I will never apologize for speaking the truth as revealed through the actions of the radical followers of Islam. If we continue to appease the evil in the world then we will suffer the consequences. Let the mistakes of the Carter and Clinton administrations be testament to that kind of thinking.

    By BiteMeAnn

    September 19, 2006 3:36 PM | Link to this

    Okay, Martel, you go to Africa and tell that 16 year old girl not to get married.

    You are obviously missing my main point: The majority of HIV cases are now in women. In Thailand, the highest risk group is…married women. In these cultures, women have little or no say as to who they have sex with. You yak and yak on about avoiding having sex with this or that person, but for the majority of people infected TODAY, RIGHT NOW, they will be in a monogomous relationship. One that was likely determined by their family or economic circumstances.

    Do you get that? If so, why are you blabbing on about “staying out of the lake with alligators”? My point is the majority of people who will be infected with HIV TODAY RIGHT NOW, HAVE NO CHOICE AS TO THEIR SEXUAL PARTNER. They don’t have A CHOICE TO STAY OUT IF THE LAKE, IDIOT.

    Pull your head out of your judgemental a** and quit telling them what to do. Yes, if everyone only had sex with one person (heterosexual or not) and didn’t use IV drugs, AIDS wouldn’t be a problem. But that is small comfort to those who don’t use IV drugs, only have one partner, and no say as to who that partner is.

    And nobody listens to the Pope when he tells them to avoid sex outside of marriage because that’s human nature, especially for men, and especially for men in other parts of the world. In Africa, monogomy and marriage aren’t even the same thing. Duh. In African nations where condom use is encouraged, and they are made available, the infection rate has dropped.

    And really, the majority of cases in Africa are heterosexually transmitted. If you have hangups about people who use IV drugs, have anal sex (which is the highest risk sexual activity, and not confined to male homosexuals…uh, are you endorsing lesbian relations BTW?) or anything else, whatever. But by your “they shouldn’t be doing it” attitude, you’re condemming a lot of people who AREN’T doing those things to death.

    The Pope is a cold-blooded fish to sit there on his throne of celibacy and discourage a 28 year old man to use a condom with his 15 year old bride. And you’re a pig to join him.

    By BUSHwarcriminal

    September 19, 2006 4:47 PM | Link to this

    g*d i hate that dum anne coulter ,= shes so stupid. whoever lsitens to her (or him) is a incredible gullable idot.

    By kickbushout

    September 19, 2006 4:50 PM | Link to this

    ANNE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    rosie odonnell you rock. b***!

    By Martel

    September 19, 2006 6:14 PM | Link to this

    BiteMeAnn said on September 19, 2006 03:36 PM

    They don’t have A CHOICE TO STAY OUT IF THE LAKE, IDIOT.

    +++Martel - BitemeAnn, your sensitivity (and politeness) is overwhelming. But, combined with ths rest of your above burb of words, I am reminded of my first grade teacher telling me that an “empty wagon makes a lot of noise”.

    Have a great day!

    Martel

    By Vlad the Muslim Impaler

    September 19, 2006 8:34 PM | Link to this

    On September 16, 2001, after 3000, Americans, etc were slaughtered by Muslims, Bush met Islamofascist militants at Washington’s Islamic Center, and told those pigs: “Islam is peace.” GWB is an oil patch puppet who talks about advancing “freedom” while looking to match the $60,000,000 that Cheney raked in after getting GW1 contacts. Bush is more than a parasite; he is a worthless parasit. Nuke Mecca.

    By Will Jones

    September 19, 2006 9:08 PM | Link to this

    Vlad: Can’t be bothered by the truth? Bush did 9-11. Plenty of references above. Treason charges can’t spur you to click on some links?

    By Satan

    September 19, 2006 9:28 PM | Link to this

    And NOBODY cares that I showed up after party and worshipped Ann? What is devil to do!

    By Cheri Montagu

    September 20, 2006 4:25 AM | Link to this

    I would like to say in response to this right-wing fanatic that those senators of both parties who question Bush’s policy with respect to the interrogation of terrorist suspects should be called “the American Faction”, because it is their support for the Bill of Rights which is most in line with the views of the Founding Fathers. In favoring mistreatment of suspects, it’s the Bush Administration that is unAmerican and behaving like Al Quaeda.

    By Hunter

    September 20, 2006 7:19 AM | Link to this

    Well, there’s mucho perversion of thought here…Will Jones’ should realize that information on algore’s Internet can be misleading…

    Anyway, as always…’STRIVE to be SMARTER than a demoCRACKKK’ !!!

    By Rawena

    September 20, 2006 7:48 AM | Link to this

    Strive to be smarter than Hunter. Geesh guy.

    By Chaya

    September 20, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

    Dear Gttim: Killing is only killing when you kill innocents. Radical Islamists are NOT innocents. Radical Islamists have been killing Americans and other Muslims in Iraq for quite some time now. But I suspect you know that. You can’t bear the thought of mere infidels standing up to radical Islam. What of Jesus? Who says we can’t stand up to murderers? What kind of religion demands that we allow radical Islamists to kill our families? What kind of religion states that we have no right of self-defense? Not my religion.

    By Wisdom

    September 20, 2006 2:22 PM | Link to this

    All this shatter is nice, some nasty, but it’s a dialogue nonetheless. It gives us all insights into who is really living amongst us. For those who are offended by the fund-raising dinner, or by its supporters on this blog, one word of wisdom: “you know now who attended the event. You know now who met with the president. You know now who may be running for governership. USE YOUR FOUNDING FATHER’S RIGHT - VOTE - BOYCOTT - MAKE A DIFFERENCE”

    Talk is cheap. It’s time for action. It’s time to take back what’s been hijacked and snatched from us - airwaves, religion, conservatism, …

    By Will Jones

    September 20, 2006 8:28 PM | Link to this

    Hunter, Strive to be smarter tomorrow. Read “New Pearl Harbor,” and give an intelligent review of it to this board, please. A logic professor wrote it. It proves Bush did 9-11. Can’t handle the truth and would rather spew nonsense? Afraid to watch “Loose Change 2”? Being Roman Catholic prohibits your questioning authority?

    By Hunter

    September 21, 2006 1:08 AM | Link to this

    Sorry Will…not a Catholic here…but I dont read books by kook professors either…only kooks read those kind of books…

    STRIVE to be SMARTER than a DEMOCRACKKK !!!

    By Frank

    September 21, 2006 8:28 AM | Link to this

    Boortz and Bush were probably comparing notes on how they avoided serving in the Military! Boortz bragged to Bush that he was one up on him, by completely “chickenhawkin”out of the Vietnam War,while Bush did show up for a while. Then they talked about college, Boortz lost this one, because Bush did graduate,while ” according to Boortz him self he “finished up”. Lil”w” reminded Boortz that finishing up isn’t the same as graduating! Boortz then went to the back of the room and had a good cry!

    By Will Jones

    September 21, 2006 7:06 PM | Link to this

    Gee Hunter, You must have been a National Merit Scholar, not.

    PRESS RELEASE

    August 11, 2006

    PRESBYTERIAN PUBLISHING CORP. EXPLAINS WHY IT PUBLISHED CONTROVERSIAL BOOK ON 9/11

    August 11, 2006—Amid attacks from conservative groups in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) and beyond, the Presbyterian Publishing Corporation discussed today its decision to publish David Ray Griffin’s controversial book Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action.

    In the book, the respected theologian and author makes some very controversial claims about the events of September 11, 2001—claims that are not endorsed by the Presbyterian Publishing Corporation [PPC] nor by the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) [PC(USA)]. But rather than engaging the content of Griffin’s work, some have chosen to cloud the issue by claiming, falsely, that the book was published by the PC(USA).

    The Presbyterian Publishing Corporation is one of six agencies of the PC(USA) but receives no funding from the denomination. Under the Westminster John Knox Press imprint, PPC publishes a theologically and religiously diverse selection of books that extends far beyond the Reformed tradition and the official policies and stances of the PC(USA). Books specifically for the PC(USA) are published under our Geneva Press imprint.

    The Presbyterian Publishing Corporation reports to the General Assembly of the PC(USA) through a Board of Directors, which is elected by the Assembly. The Assembly has long recognized and endorsed PPC’s editorial autonomy, and as recently as the 2006 General Assembly affirmed this autonomy.

    “WJK publishes a plethora of books by non-Presbyterians without being branded as disloyal to the interests of the PC(USA),” said PPC President and Publisher Dr. Davis Perkins. “For example, no one ever imagined WJK’s popular The Gospel according to The Simpsons reflected the ‘official position’ of the denomination on matters of theology or polity, and, similarly, there was never a word of criticism about WJK publishing the works of a major Jewish scholar like Jacob Neusner or an evangelical Anglican like N. T. Wright. This is what academic/trade publishers do, and this is what the General Assembly intended for PPC and the WJK imprint when it unanimously approved the documents that created the organization. There are close to 1,500 titles in the WJK backlist portfolio and the specter that they are in or out of kilter with a so-called official Presbyterian position has never been a serious issue.”

    “The fact that we published this book has obviously disturbed a number of Presbyterians,â€? he added. “We expect people to take issue with our books from time to time, but what is disappointing is that the most vocal critics of the work to date are dismissing it without having even bothered to read it. What we intended when we published this WJK book was not that people would necessarily agree or disagree with the author’s thesis but that his well-researched argument would provoke serious discussion and reflection among Christians in this country who care about these issues. We feel this author – and all our authors – deserves this courtesy.”

    “PPC and its predecessor imprints have published books by David Ray Griffin for many years,â€? said PPC Board Chair Kenneth Godshall. “In his new book, Griffin provides a theological response to contemporary political events that many readers will find uncomfortable, even objectionable. We invite Presbyterians to read the book before making up their minds.â€?

    “The views expressed in the book are Griffin’s alone,â€? Godshall added. “PPC provides a variety of viewpoints in the books we publish. A few of them from time to time are controversial. This particular book is the work of an independent author and in no way represents the views of the denomination or PPC itself.”

    In his preface to the book, Griffin writes “One of our main tasks as theologians is to deal with current events in light of the fact that our first allegiance must be to God, who created and loves all people—indeed all forms of life. If we believe that our political and military leaders are acting on the basis of policies that are diametrically opposed to divine purposes, it is incumbent upon us to say so.�

    Griffin, retired professor of philosophy and theology at the Claremont School of Theology and one of the founders of the 9/11 Truth Movement, has stirred such controversy before with two previous books from other publishers: The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 and The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. But the fact that this most recent book came from a publisher with ties to a mainline denomination has created a frenzy among some conservative media. Christianity Today reported on the book on its Web site, and Griffin was the featured guest on conservative pundit Tucker Carlson’s show on MSNBC this week. Other television and radio talk shows are lining up to interview him.

    “The claims David Ray Griffin makes in Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11 will not be universally accepted by his readers,â€? says Dr. Perkins, “but the arguments supporting those claims merit careful consideration by serious-minded Christians and Americans concerned with truth and the meaning of their faith. Professor Griffin employs established principles of intellectual argument in a book with 192 pages of carefully researched text and 49 pages of extensive scholarly notes. This book is not an off-the-wall polemic but rather a considered work that deserves to have a place in the public forum of discourse about Christian faith and U.S. policy.”

    Westminster John Knox Press has a long and distinguished history of publishing classic and trusted books by the likes of John Calvin, Karl Barth, Reinhold and H. Richard Niebuhr, William Barclay, John Bright, Shirley Guthrie, James Luther Mays, and Walter Brueggemann; controversial books that have electrified the Christian conversation, such as those by Joseph Fletcher, John Hick, John A. T. Robinson, Thomas Altizer, Letty M. Russell, William Sloane Coffin, Robert McAfee Brown, and Cornel West; as well as evangelical books by such scholars as John Leith, Andrew Purves, Elizabeth Achtemeier, Stanley Grenz, and N. T. Wright.

     

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