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By BW

September 12, 2006 2:37 PM | Link to this

What is Martinez so angry about, both parties have allowed his illegal, meth making, ladders in the middle of the road, 14 in the truck and 20 in the apartment (but it’s a two bedroom) cousins into the country and use my tax dollars for their kids to go schools and for them to foul up my neighborhood. Is Martinez legal? Do we know that for sure?

By Wow

September 12, 2006 5:10 PM | Link to this

Sounds like he hit the nail on the head. Of course a mad democrat or republican would peddle such nonsense as above (see BW’s post); they know people are waking up to the republican and democrat big government, big debt, and big taxes scheme.

By John D

September 12, 2006 8:50 PM | Link to this

No wonder the Republicans don’t like the Spanish language. It sounds too much like the truth.

By Hunter

September 13, 2006 6:22 AM | Link to this

WoW! A very astute Hispanic man who GETS IT !!!

Folks, Mr. Lieberman’s SIGNAL TO DEFECT is reverberating like never before!

DAMN the DEMOPUBLICANS - but STRIVE to be SMARTER than a DemoCRACKKK !!!

EQUAL BALLOT ACCESS in EVERY STATE NOW !!!

By Mike

September 13, 2006 8:51 AM | Link to this

What does he mean, “neither party does anything for Hispanics”? The government feeds them and gives them free medical care and all we ask in return is a few pennies in sales tax on that bottle of beer. If there ever was a case for the House Republican position on immigration, this is it!

By Tony

September 13, 2006 9:23 AM | Link to this

Mike,

That is the most bigoted comment I’ve ever heard. We feed them? Proof of that? How much medical care do we give them? Dollar amount?

If you think they do not contribute then refund them all of those sales tax dollars they’ve been paying for. All of the goods they buy pay for those schools and that Medicaid they use. So I’m not seeing your point here.

Perhaps you’d prefer to round up all of these so-called patriotic Americans who screw the rest of us by hiring these illegals? I read an excellent point on this board and another board about how no one wants to do a single thing about those Americans defrauding the rest of us.

So Mike, do you propose we do nothing about the Americans who are breaking our laws?

By CobbGOPer

September 13, 2006 9:50 AM | Link to this

“All of the goods they buy pay for those schools and that Medicaid they use…”

Um, no. Tony, in case you’ve forgotten, schools are paid for by PROPERTY taxes. And last time I checked, no illegals where buying up starter homes in Atlanta. Kinda hard when you have no credit history and no legal papers. And I’m pretty sure Medicaid is not funded with sales taxes. I mean if they were, Democrats would be losing their minds to change it.

But I like your idea: the Fair Tax would work right nicely to make sure illegal immigrants are paying at least some kind of share to the national pot.

By CynicalGeek

September 13, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Illegal immigrants supporting no gun control (the libertarian view.) Just great.

By David Franklin

September 13, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

This guy is right on target with the exception of the Libertarian Party—which I oppose as well as Dem and Rep

By Debbie

September 13, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Illegals are a drain on our economy and healthcare, not to mention or schools. Just pay a visit on weekends to your local hospital emergency room .

Employers hire illegals at low wages. The illegals can not afford health insurance. The employers are padding their pocketbooks at the expense of taxpayers.

I support a guest worker program where employers have to furnish health insurance for their workers.

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http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/info/facts.html

By Rob

September 13, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

The problem that both the Republicans and Democrats have is the lack of organziation.

In avery agenda there has to be a process where ideas and thoughts are wrote allowing creativity and motivation to action.

Our leaders have demonstrated to benefit only a certain group of benefactors.

Libertarian has the potential to work toward a common goal of human rights, social justice and economic support.

By Tony

September 13, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Um, no CobbGOPer, schools are not paid for entirely by property taxes. Check SPLOSTS and the money coming from the state of which part is sales tax revenue.

Tell me then where Medicaid is funded from.

They already are paying into the system. Go ask your local QT’s how much business they get from illegals. The illegals buy clothes, toys, food, etc. They pay taxes on all of this…..so they are paying into the system.

I find it quite ironic that you and no one else even touched the comment on those patriotic Americans who are breaking the laws. We love shipping lawbreakers out of the country but we let Americans break the law and get away with it don’t we? I like the explanation used by another poster by saying all of you anti-amnesty types are hypocrites because you have already given Americans breaking the laws on this matter amnesty by turning the other cheek. So Americans can break American laws but others cannot?

By Debbie

September 13, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

I think we should go after the employers that knowingly hire illegals. I advocate jail time for repeat offenders. There should be strict penalties for those employers.

Only going after illegals to solve the illegal immigration problem is like trying to solve the illegal drug problem by only going after the drug user and not the drug dealer.

We need to punish both the employer and illegal alien.

By Blue in Georgia

September 13, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

Debbie,

I’m curious about your statement -

“I support a guest worker program where employers have to furnish health insurance for their workers.

Do you think employers should furnish health insurance for all workers or just immigrants? I cannot believe a Ralph Reed conservative would advocate something that bold and GASP progressive! Way to go girl!

By Kokotrek

September 13, 2006 1:56 PM | Link to this

Note comments from interview response from link in article at bottom of following link:

[http://www.galeo.org/story.php?story_id=0000001889]

“My comment in general was that we should do away with Government entitlements and welfare programs as that takes the ammunition from those are anti immigration based on the consumption of public services.”

“My comment was not that we should be asking anything from the Federal Government but that we should not be asking for anything at all but should be providing for ourselves in our communities at the local level”.

“the two dominant parties have lost their way and need to get back to their core values”

In The Prensa Alterna interview some things got a bit skewed from what I actually said for example: I said there should not be a Latino Commission or an Asian Commission or any other ethnic commission but that everyone should sitting at the same table. I also mentioned we are losing the War not in Iraq but against terrorism based on the loss of freedoms we are seeing at home.

My comment on Republicans and Democrats was that Republicans want to control what you do in the bedroom and Democrats want to control what you do with your money.

I also mentioned that Chinese built the railroads this got interpreted as locomotives and that Germans headed up the nuclear program the other comments are the article’s authors. My comment in general was that we should do away with Government entitlements and welfare programs as that takes the ammunition from those are anti immigration based on the consumption of public services. In a truly free market labor is just another commodity.

My comment was not that we should be asking anything from the Federal Government but that we should not be asking for anything at all but should be providing for ourselves in our communities at the local level.

I would strongly encourage Latino’s to vote Libertarian not because the candidates will win but because they play a spoiler role and therefore get the message across that the Latino vote counts.

Getting one or two Latino’s elected is not the objective as they will be powerless but getting a broader concept that the two dominant parties have lost their way and need to get back to their core values is what is important. Look at what happened to George Bush Sr. and the Republican Party when Ross Perot served the spoiler role. This needs to happen more often to keep things somewhat honest.

By Debbie

September 13, 2006 2:11 PM | Link to this

Blue, I just support requiring employers to provide insurance for someone they are sponsoring or bringing in to our country at low wages as guest workers.

Why should the taxpayer foot the healthcare for non citizens so the employer can pad their pocketbook?

I do believe that employers that knowingly illegals should be punished.

By CobbGOPer

September 13, 2006 4:29 PM | Link to this

Tony, SPLOSTS account for a minor amount of school funding. Apparently you don’t own a home, or you’d be getting your nice little county assesment that lays out exactly how much of your property taxes (the vast majority of mine did) goes to schools. The large majority of school system funds come from property taxes.

So yes, illegals do pay the SPLOST tax, but that is nowhere near what homeowners pay into the system.

Oh yeah, Medicaid? Funded by income taxes at the federal and state level. Income taxes that illegals don’t pay. So while they may pay in a few pennies at a time to the school system when they purchase their beef jerkey and super colas at QT, they do not pay into the Medicaid system. And as Debbie said, go look in any random emergency room and you’ll see why this is a big problem in the eyes of taxpayers like myself.

I AM for holding companies or individuals that hire illegals to account. But I’m also highly in favor of booting any undocumented alien from this country. Amnesty didn’t work in 1986, and it won’t work this time, it will only serve to encourage more people to attempt to come here illegally.

By Tony

September 13, 2006 6:32 PM | Link to this

So CobbGOPer you’re now admitting that there are other methods of funding schools? Those special taxes pay a lot more than you think. Of course up there in Cobb your BOE is more concerned about laptops and stickers in books to focus on spending where there needs to be.

I’ve talked to numerous people at hospitals. There seems to be much more fraud from good ol’ Americans than illegals. Sounds like a little bigoted feelings if you ask me.

I checked with several people who work at Grady and two other major hospitals and they tell me there is far more fraud coming from US citizens than illegals. Many people in healthcare say that illegals use the quick fix clinics and actually pay cash. So it sounds like they are using the correct method rather than insurance or fraud. Talk to the people in the field. Don’t just take Debbie’s word for it. After all she’s made some bogus claims on here she still has yet to pay up for.

but I tell you what, you go round up all of the illegals and send them back and don’t whine when the economy suffers because of it. And make sure you toss all of those Americans who are the ones not paying taxes on those they hire. It is the employers’ jobs to file these taxes and withhold. But you say NOTHING about them.

By CH

September 13, 2006 8:51 PM | Link to this

I don’t care who comes to this country and why, as long as they fill out the paper work and wait for permission. As far as the hospitals go..check out the number of facilities in the southwest that have closed due to the continous stream of ambulances from Mexico bringing pregnant and severly injured mexicans across the border. The border patrol cannot stop an ambulance running emergency when it comes across the border. I work in an emergency room here and we get very few that pay there bill. Also, many hispanics turn down health insurance and rely on medicaid to pay there bill. They caught some hispanics in Hall county recently, apparently one woman would apply for medicaid, go home, change the kids clothes and another woman would take them and sign up for medicaid. The illegals are a drain on our economy!

By Tony2

September 13, 2006 9:58 PM | Link to this

One item that was not discussed in this blog is the fact that immigrants do pay property taxes regardless of whether they own a home. If you are paying rent, part of your rent goes to pay the property taxes. Consequently, immigrants do pay property taxes. Additionally, undocumented immigrants pay into the income tax system, but do not file returns because of the absense of social security/work permit. There is over 6 BILLION dollars in the federal general accounting office that has not been returned to undocumented immigrants due to their failure to file. As an immigrant (who is now a US citizen), I can guarantee you that I have paid more in taxes (income and property) more than this country ever paid for my education or healthcare. Now, I am the biggest patriot and find this to be the best country in the world were your dreams and aspirantions can become a reality. We need to stop welfare for the lazy in our midst, and stop scape-goating the immigrants who are working diligently to ensure that our homes are built, our chickens deboned, our yards maintained, our homes cleaned, our meals cooked, etc., etc., etc.

By Hunter

September 14, 2006 7:08 AM | Link to this

Tony, thats a lame contension about ILLEGALS paying property tax…especially when you have a dozen or two occupying one residence…

SUPPORT the FAIRTAX !!! Its the only equitable way for everyone to pay their fair share when they buy things. Workers will KEEP 100% of their wages, Illegals/foreign visitors will pay, no more IRS tax forms, no more government forced tax withholding by businesses, HUGE BOOM to the already booming economy! Fairtax relieves the poor of any taxes on necessities. Fairtax will be the greatest return of power to the people since the Revolution!

By Rawena

September 14, 2006 7:35 AM | Link to this

Totally lame? I guess landlords don’t figure in the cost of the taxes they pay into the rent that they charge? Tony, you’re agree with you on this one.

By Tony

September 14, 2006 8:45 AM | Link to this

Totally lame? Don’t think so. The FACT is that these people pay into the system. They are not riding the system like many Americans are. I guarantee you that Gwinnett and DeKalb Co’s are immensely benefitting from the revenue generated by these groups.

Again, no one is saying a word about the American employers who hire these people and fail to pay the payroll taxes. No one is mentioning how Americans are breaking the law. I guess you all are actually for amnesty after all?

Hunter, as for the Fair Tax, I was a supporter of this before it was cool. I know for a fact two others who sometimes post to this board were supporters many years ago as well.

By CobbGOPer

September 14, 2006 9:39 AM | Link to this

Oh yes, I’m sure Gwinnett and Dekalb are benefitting from their revenue. And I’m sure they’re real happy about all the meth labs being set up as well. Why is it that those gigantic meth busts the last several weeks up in Gwinnett all involved illegals?

Why is it that pretty much whenever I hear of a gigantic drug bust around metro Atlanta anymore, it involves illegals? But I digress.

And Tony, just because I’m in favor of sending lawbreaking non-citizens back to their country of origin doth not make me a racist or a bigot. I don’t care what they look like, what they eat, what language they speak, or whether they’ve got purple dots on their eyelids. If they’re breaking our laws to come to this country, they need to be held responsible, just like any citizen should be held responsible.

And you should read the comments more carefully, many folks have echoed the sentiment that employers who hire illegals should face dire consequences. Or at least have the current laws actually enforced against them, which the government does not do effectively right now.

And if you’re in favor of the Fair Tax, then stop b*** about taxes and who’s paying into what, and start pushing the plan. That plan would clear up a great deal of the economic problems with this issue, leaving us to focus on enforcing legal immigration to the country and preventing terrorists and criminals from entering.

By RF

September 14, 2006 2:13 PM | Link to this

All these people that keep asking for all these “illigals” to go back,are the same people that will not do the jobs that these “illigals” will. Will you end you sons and daughters to pick the fields, will you leave your cushy office job for 11 hour days in the sun building the homes that you enjoy? You complain and you moan about all the resources that they take…How many red blooded and able to work Americans are taking the system for a ride thru wellfare and other social services? Why don’t they go pick the fields.But yet you enjoy every bit of their hard work. Your nicely cut lawns, your homes, the food they picked that you are eating. Learn the whole truth before you spill your venom around. The truth is that your republican government doesn’t want to send anyone back because the economy will take a major hit. Evryone knows it, you choose to not see it….

By PolyTik

September 14, 2006 8:52 PM | Link to this

Why does this turn into a discussion of immigration? Only because the guy is Hispanic? They dont pay him enough for the crap he must be dealing with heading up a Latino Commission in this political climate.

The comments that he would do away with Government entitlements and welfare programs not asking anything from the Government are on target. He did not say anything about immigration either way.

The Republicans need more guys like this speaking their mind instead of the RINOs that tax and spend like Democrats and use illegal immigration for cover.

I wonder what Neal Boortz would have to say?

By Tony

September 15, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Testy Testy CobbGOPer….so you’re saying illegals are the only ones responsible for meth labs? They are the only ones setting them up? Selling meth? Buying meth? That’s as lame a stereotype as I’ve heard so far.

I’ve hardly heard anyone say anything about punishing the Americans breaking the laws. COnsidering it is THEM who is not paying the taxes, why aren’t they being punished? All I’ve heard from you is illegal this and illegal that. Why don’t you hide out at your local QT and start snitching on any American who loads up a truck full of illegals?

CobbGOPer if you’d take time to read rather than knee-jerk react you’d notice I said I’ve supported the Fair Tax before it was cool. You’re probably one of those who recently came on board after seeing the popularity increase. Where were you 5-6 years ago when people hid from this idea?

By debbie

September 15, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Cobbgoper, well said.

There is also the outbreak of TB in schools and the fact some county jails have started to innoculate for TB because of the illegal inmates.

RF, I believe in guest worker programs. I just support they enter our country through legal means and have background checks

By Debbie

September 15, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Another issue is that disabled AMERICAN kids are suffering because the Supreme Court ruled illegals were entitled to emergency health care. Who do you think pays for that? The state does through and does not have the money to provide elective services for these disabled children.

Go to your local hospital emergency room and check it out.

By debbie

September 15, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/issues/health_care.html

By debbie

September 15, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/issues/health_care.html

By debbie

September 15, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/issues/health_care.html

By debbie

September 15, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/issues/health_care.html

By Will Jones

September 18, 2006 9:59 AM | Link to this

Get your own copy of Rome’s “[National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry]”(http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1555861997/ref=dpolp2/103-9718467-5882244?ie=UTF8)

See for yourselves how the Roman Catholic Church has mapped out their stratagem for taking the U.S. back from the Anglos who “stole it” through the promotion of illegal immigration, naturalization, and voter registration.

Chip Rogers said he wanted to hear all about it and just never managed to have his secretary call back. Guess Rogers, like W.T. Sherman, is a Catholic name in Georgia, too.

Other than believing Our Whig Founders were correct recognizing Rome as the Anti-Christ - priestly pedophilia, Knight of Malta-run CIA killing JFK to put us in Rome’s Vietnam, Knight of Malta Prescott Bush funding Hitler to get two cousins and an uncle of mine dead at the Battle of the Bulge, culpable for the Holocaust according to “A Moral Reckoning,” by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, the “Wall Street of slavery” for 2,000 years - plenty of American Roman Catholics are decent people duped by their ancestry into still being part of what is obviously the greatest evil in the history of the world.

Crucifixion was Roman punishment for only one crime: the second conviction for sedition.

They’ve spent more than two thousand years molesting little kids to grow soldiers and assassins and taught their fabricated Replacement Theology anti-semitism to the polygamous Sodomite Arabs. Read Herodotus.

Rich, poor, white, black, Protestant, Jew, freemason: let’s get back to the elemental America so we can properly teach the newcomers just what righteousness and goodness is required to be true to Our Mottoes.

Importing excess slaves from Latin America’s plantations to destroy the Working Class while the Bush Family profits from the China Trade using their generals’ slave labor and off-shoring the Internet Revolution to India is not patriotic.

Build the border wall and condemn and expropriate the wealth of Rome’s Rockefeller/Bush/Nixon Fifth Column that funded Hitler, killed Kennedy, sent us to Vietnam and committed 9-11.

The latinos who’ve come here are largely good, decent people who’ve suffered as victims of the Roman latifundium Jefferson and Adams recognized as the Antichrist: “an engine for enslaving mankind.”

Let us teach them to be individually sovereign Americans and remove from our shores the pedophile priesthood and false aristocracy manipulating them…and us.

Rome’s success promoting illegal immigration in keeping with their “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry� is made possible by Congress’s being one-third Roman Catholic.

Let’s correct Congress in November. I’m not prepared to kiss America goodbye. Too much of my family’s blood, and too many dreams and prayers demand we keep the covenant.

Annuit Coeptis

By Jose Mora

September 23, 2006 6:15 PM | Link to this

Some of the xenophobic comments I see here are not worth dignifying with a response. Until we realize that we have a socialist government creating unemployment through minimum wage laws, providing corporate welfare to wealthy farmers by keeping out foreign crops (only to have those same farmers hire illegals to pick their crops), keeping out foreign ethanol, while complaining about foreign oil, and taxing businesses to the point of moving off-shore, we will not learn. It is not the role of government to regulate the supply or cost of labor, nor the price of goods, nor the availability of healthcare. That is best done by the free market. Government isn’t the answer - its the problem. Mario speaks the truth.

By Jose Mora

September 23, 2006 9:05 PM | Link to this

PS - I hate to break the news to you, but Mario pays more in taxes than most of your public elected officials. However, unlike them, who feed at the public trough with your tax dollars, he made his money legally by providing his biotechnology expertise in a very competitive market.

By Jose Mora

September 25, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

ANNUIT COEPTIS NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM is a very majestic phrase.

Here is some more Latin which may do you some good:

“Et ego dico tibi quia tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam.� - Matthaeus 16:18

“Exorcizo te, omnis spiritus immunde, in nomine Dei (X) Patris omnipotentis, et in noimine Jesu (X) Christi Filii ejus, Domini et Judicis nostri, et in virtute Spiritus (X) Sancti, ut descedas ab hoc plasmate Dei (name), quod Dominus noster ad templum sanctum suum vocare dignatus est, ut fiat templum Dei vivi, et Spiritus Sanctus habitet in eo. Per eumdem Christum Dominum nostrum, qui venturus est judicare vivos et mortuos, et saeculum per ignem.�

By Will Jones

September 25, 2006 2:21 PM | Link to this

I rest my case.

National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry

By Will Jones

September 25, 2006 2:25 PM | Link to this

I rest my case.

National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry

By Jose Mora

September 25, 2006 8:30 PM | Link to this

Your case is not of this world, nor are we the ones to judge it. Save it for when it counts; for you will have plenty of time to dwell upon it. Pax.

By Jose Mora

September 25, 2006 8:57 PM | Link to this

PS - I will include you in my prayers, because Miracles do happen. I cannot desire ill will towards anyone, lest I suffer the same fate.