Home > Political Insider > Archives > 2006 > July > 30 > Entry
DEL.ICIO.USLife without Ralph: The Democratic race for No. 2 searches for a voice
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Pity the two Democratic candidates for lieutenant governor, now locked in a run-off campaign that’s down to its final eight days.
For more than a year, Jim Martin and Greg Hecht - both metro Atlanta attorneys, both former state lawmakers - have pitched themselves as the only man with the smarts and chutzpah to take on the legendary Ralph Reed.
Fund-raising and strategy were built around the presumption Reed would dispose of Republican rival Casey Cagle like a used Bic razor.
But in the end, it was Reed who was judged obsolete by voters. And now, in a final lap, Martin and Hecht have left to redefine themselves and their race in new terms. You could see some of their effort Sunday morning in a relatively tame 30-minute studio confrontation on WXIA-TV (Channel 11) - taped two days earlier.
Martin, of Atlanta, emphasized electability. He bragged of his service in Vietnam, his first-place finish on July 18, at 41 percent, his endorsements - most recently, Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin - and his fund-raising success.
Hecht, a one-time assistant district attorney from Jonesboro, finished five points behind Martin - and was the aggressor on Sunday. Hecht made clear that he’ll rely on the issue that Democrats often dwelled on before their fall from power: Crime.
In the one exchange that contained any heat, Hecht said: “The last case that I didn’t win was the rape of a stepdaughter by a stepfather. The other side of the table had 12 jury strikes, and I had six. That’s what the victim had. We had a terrible jury. The jury let him off. I had to tell her that she had to go home with the fellow that raped her.”
Hecht claimed that Martin, while chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, blocked a bill to equalize strikes in rape cases.
Now, in the final days of the July primary, Hecht was accused of putting out a misleading flyer on legislation proposed by Martin that would have revamped the prosecution of sexual assault in Georgia.
On television, Hecht was careful not to cross any line. “It’s not to say Jim doesn’t have a good heart, he does. He’s a good man,” Hecht said. “But we have a different vantage point.”
Replied Martin: “I thought this was going to be an easy conversation today. Greg is continuing his negative campaign against me. The truth is I’m tough on crime. I’ve always been tough on crime. My personal story has been part of my advertisements - the fact that my daughter was kidnapped.
“The question is on one particular piece of legislation, a very narrow issue. It’s a very complicated part of criminal justice.
“But the point is that, over my time at the legislature, I voted for two-strikes-and-you’re-out, I voted for restitution for victims of crime, and I have a good record on the issues associated with criminal justice.”
They go at it again Monday evening, on GPTV.
Comments
Commenting is now closed for this entry.
By Judy P.
July 30, 2006 8:49 PM | Link to this
While the Lt. Governor’s race may have lost some of its luster, for Democrats, like this debate highlighted, it is all about electability. When it comes down to it, Hecht is the canidate that can help Mark Taylor in the fall. A liberal Atlantian isn’t going to get far in a statewide election, that is why I am voting for Hecht on Aug. 8th, and that is what all democrats who want a chance to win in November should do.
By Grass Roots Guy
July 30, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this
Matters not. Either “D” will easily beat Cagle this fall. Cagle’s campaign is arrogant. They will neglect their need to bring all “R’s” back together. Many Reed voters will sit this one out this fall or actually vote for the “D” instead of Cagle. This past week Cagle is speculating about running for Governor in 2010 rather than trying to reach out to Reed Republicans. He will need that 44% in November, but his campaign is too stupid to realize this.
I’ll vote for either Martin or Hecht. Just give us an alternative. It does not matter.
By Reed's Guy
July 31, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
The Grass Roots Guy got it right! I was (am) a Reed supporter…no way we’ll help out a liar like Cagle. I am looking at who I would like to see as the next governor after Sonny. It ain’t Casey. I will probably vote for Jim Martin, I know him and he is closer to Reed’s philosophy than Hecht.
By Philly
July 31, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
We can all send a message about Cagle’s negative campaigning. The ad about the Marianna’s was just plain distortions and lies.
We can just say no to Cagle in November.
If Cagle’s negative campaigning works it will continue.
I don’t want Cagle to reach out to me. It won’t work. They think we will change our minds before November and they are wrong.
Let’s start an ABC (Anybody But Cagle) movement. The Lt. Governor’s office has no power anyway.
I disagree about Martin. Hecht is more conservative but I will either not cast a vote or vote for the Dem.
By GARunner
July 31, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Martin emphasized electability. What!
We need to ask ourselves two questions: first, which candidate has the best chance of beating Casey Cagle? Second, which candidate can help Taylor beat Perdue?
I cannot imagine Taylor would want Martin’s liberal baggage. Hecht is a moderate with state-wide appeal but still has an innovative, exciting platform.
By George Clements
July 31, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Sixteen hours have passed since this was first posted, and there have been just four blog comments. I’m not quite sure what to make of that fact. Since Jim Martin’s bonehead staff is keeping quiet, there is little to talk about. I’m still not sure Martin can beat Cagle without first answering Hecht’s lengthy list of allegations about position switching and incompetence as head of DHR. If Cagle is as bad as some of the Republicans say he is, he will certainly make it difficult for Martin in the fall election. Maybe Martin will finally address these charges from Hecht in their debate tonight. Jim needs to prove to we Democrats that he ought to be in the prime position to succeed Perdue in 2010 because we all know in our heart that the fat guy with two divorces isn’t going to beat Sonny this fall.
By Tamara Green
July 31, 2006 5:47 PM | Link to this
All I’ve heard about Cagle is that he is now bringing McCain into Georgia to get the big money for his campaign.
McCain is not a Republican I can ever support and neither is Cagle. Maybe I don’t have a right to complain because after the negative campaign he ran I just stayed at home, but I don’t think there is any way I could vote for Cagle this fall. I agree that Hecht is probably conservative enough for me anyway.
Cagle is a moderate Republican in the pocket of business. They made him a millionare and they own him.
By Suzanne Thornton
July 31, 2006 6:55 PM | Link to this
1st -GA dems are moderates/centrist except for few-Martin is a moderate ( even Jim Wotten said so-duh guys) 2nd- Hecht’s hecklers quote SOS everytime-yet where are the facts ? How about listing what Hecht did to be supposedly less liberal—then Hecht will get mad and send out more false mailers. 3rd-Do you want someone who will fight for right-and right way? Or do you want someone to waffle? 4th- Jim Martin is honest, caring, and ethical. He will fight for the Dems, and people who don’t have lots of money. 5th-Vote JIM MARTIN - he will listen and do what is best
By Tony
July 31, 2006 7:13 PM | Link to this
Tamara,
I guess you had no problem with the truthful and ethical campaign Ralph Reed ran? Would you care to name some other Republican you would have supported instead?
By Mad Dawg
July 31, 2006 8:34 PM | Link to this
Well if anyone had any doubts that Cythnia McKinney is a freakshow of political graffiti, I hoped you watched this evenings debate on GPT or listened to it on WSB 750!
I couldn’t belive her lies. She said she was ranked highest in “effectiveness” by congress.org, even saying she was ranked higher than Rep. John Lewis. LIE!
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/power_rankings/state.tt?state=GA&submit=GO
And a little further digging into her “facts” is that she’s ranked 408th out of 438 in OVERALL power effectiveness.. in the bottom 10%. LMAO!!
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/power_rankings/overall.tt
But of course the media probably won’t call her on her hypocrisy and LIES because they are afraid of her. Further, her supporters are probably just too stupid to research what she said.
Then she flapped that big mouth about “special interests” and accepting money, and her opponent didn’t even address HER acceptance of domestic and FOREIGN money from radical Muslims.
Then towards the end she qouted Eisenhower saying that “every dollar for a war is a dollar taken from the people.” My oh my what a contradiction to her saying that she “supports the troops” huh?
But I have to remind myself of the sheer moonbat lunacy of this woman who has the misfortune of having inherited some loose screws from her father.
Loose screws = loose cannon. We need Cynthia to stay in Washington. She’s the Republican gift that keeps on giving.
By GodHatesTrash
August 1, 2006 12:33 AM | Link to this
Poor Hecht, trying a rape case in front of a Georgia jury, especially the rape of a stepdaughter. Most Georgians think rape is a normal part of family life.
Trash.
By GodHatesTrash
August 1, 2006 12:40 AM | Link to this
Interesting to watch Georgia trash fulminate and rant and rave about that black woman Cynthia McKinney.
The sad fact is that Cynthia is the second best congressperson in Georgia, behind only John Lewis. Let’s face it, Georgia elects some of the most shiftless lazy no-account weasels that Congress has ever seen.
Which means that Georgians are properly represented in the nation’s capitol.
Trash.
By Hunter
August 1, 2006 6:46 AM | Link to this
I see McKinney returned to her old braidy standby hairdo with a big grosgrain bow at her nape…and conservatively dressed in a black suit…has she EVER dressed this conservatively? I believe I noticed her US Congress pin on her lapel, too …where was her african dahsheeki?…
By Thomas Pyles
August 1, 2006 8:02 AM | Link to this
This Republican plans to vote for whomever the Democrats nominate for Lt. Governor. I could never vote for Mr. Cagle after the terribly negative campaign he ran. I will probably vote for Perdue and then the Democrat Lt. Governor candidate. I don’t think it is too bad to have it split this way.
By Philly
August 1, 2006 8:23 AM | Link to this
Tony, you of all people should not be critical of anyone not supporting Cagle. After all you would not have supported Reed had he won so what is the difference?
Cagle is sleezy and unworthy of being Lt. Governor after the campaign he ran.
We can all send a message that enough is enough and we are sick of the type of campaign Cagle ran. If you disagree with the type of negative ads and distortions Cagle ran and you vote for him, then you are rewarding him for those ads and tactics.
Just say no to Casey Cagle…
By Tony
August 1, 2006 9:22 AM | Link to this
Again Philly I’ll ask you for the 30th time. Are you telling me that Ralph ran an ethical and honest campaign? Judging by you dancing around this question over and over I see you cannot even honestly say that Reed was any better than what you accuse Cagle of doing.
I said over and over I wouldn’t support Reed because of his dishonest business practices and him pretending to be something he’s not. He cannot say he fought for conservative Christian ideas after what he took millions to do. If he’s that unethical in his business life, how can we expect anything any different in elected life?
I will ask you again, can you honestly tell me that Reed ran an ethical and honest campaign? In your answer, don’t comment on Cagle. I know as hard as it is for a good Christian like you to not hate and judge Cagle over and over, I’d ask for an honest answer about Reed.
And your comment on just say no to Cagle? I think Republicans spoke volumes by just saying no to Ralph.
By philly
August 1, 2006 9:29 AM | Link to this
Democrats also crossed over. I think that fact Cagle increase his wealth 900% while in office is unethical. I think Cagle worked with liberal groups and media to defeat Reed.
Reed’s campaign was not as negative as Cagle’s nor did it go over the top like Cagle’s Marianna’s ads did.
I will not support Cagle and you are a hypocrite for criticizing anyone for not supporting Cagle. We all have our reasons and priorities.
By Philly
August 1, 2006 9:32 AM | Link to this
I think the voters in the general election might just say no to Cagle. Cagle’s Democratic opponent will start with 40% of the vote and go up from there.
Reed supporters will not all support Cagle. The voters that crossed over to vote for Cagle will vote Democrat.
You do the math.
By BahamaBoy
August 1, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent!
By BahamaBoy
August 1, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
Philly, the only math you know is 900 percent!
Go ahead and sit out the November election; or vote for a Democrat. But quit defending Reed and slandering Cagle. The best man won that battle and Reed knows it
By Jane
August 1, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
HB 1074 - offenses; extensive revision of provisions (14)
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1999_00/leg/sum/hb1074.htm
Read the legistlation carefully. Jim Martin sponsoredthe bill lowering the age of consent. He is vernerable.
By Earle
August 1, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Georgia voters! Remember, there is a message to be sent in the November election. Cagle, Democrat and LIBERTARIAN. Do not stay home. Let the elite legislators know they cannot dictate who will be Lt. Gov.
By Tony
August 1, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
Philly do you have any evidence that Cagle worked with liberal groups and the media or is this just a lie you like to spread? I mean after all your buddy Debbie always says put up or shut up. You’re bearing false witness. Is that page torn out of your Bible?
And if you think Ralph’s repeated claims that Cagle was a federal and state lawbreaker was no where near sleazy then I question your moral standards. How can a professed evangelical Christian come out and repeatedly accuse someone of breaking the law without offering proof? How can a God-fearing person come out and publicly lie and slander someone and you think that fine? Is it OK to stoop to lying not once but over and over in multiple press releases accusing your opponent of lies and lawbreaking and offer no proof? Ralph repeatedly broke one of the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness but you think that fine to do. Philly, you and other Reed supporters have showed me exactly what type of people you are by not even living by the standards you hold others to. You and the rest of your crowd are hypocrites. You come on here and support a man who lies over and over, slanders another over and over, and then have the audacity to judge someone by standards you yourself cannot even live by.
Anyone like you who comes on here and professes to be a conservative Christian and says you’ll vote for a Democrat are basically solidifying the fact you are not who you say you are. As far as I am concerned, you go right ahead and cross over to vote Democrat. If the Democrat wins, we can all be proud of you for putting a liberal in office. You are doing your part to keep liberal ideas on the table and in the forefront. Stand tall and be proud of acting like a 5 year old sticking their tongue out and saying nyah nyah. Mature behavior from Reed supporters. I think THAT is what Republicans saw and THAT is why Reed is on the sidelines. He can thank you, Debbie, Howard, etc. for such a high standard of ethics and principles for sending him home early.
By Tony
August 1, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
I’m proud that the Republicans in this state told the K Street DC lobbyists and the elitist gated country club types in GA we don’t need them and their money to tell us who our Lt. Gov. nominee is. We don’t need all of DC and those party elitists writing checks to buy our leadership. Grassroots won. The party won and GA won.
So thanks Earle for reminding me how we truly told those who tried to control the process to stay out and let the people decide.
By Jake Taylor
August 1, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
The AJC gets it wrong once again Greg Hecht did not claim that Jim Martin blocked the equal strikes bill — Jim Martin did block the equal strikes bill - he has never denied that he blocked the legislation that would have equalized strikes— he in fact had an opportunity to deny it during the conversation and did not — he instead said it was a complicated issue and avoided answering the question.
Why did he avoid the question? because he did not want to admit that for four years while he was head of teh judiciary committee that he blocked equal strikes. It is not complicated! Every District Attorney and every proponent of victims rights was pushing for equal strikes and he refused to do it!!
You can not say you have always stood for victims when that is your record! It should also be noted that when he was blocking that bill his criminal defense law firm was doing very well - and Jim Martin has never denied that his firm represented some of the most heinous criminals in Georgia. Why hasn’t he denied this? because it is true.
His explanation that his law practice is a general practice is an outright fabrication of the truth. He and his brother have one of the most significant criminal law practices in the State and every Democrat better be ready for Casey Cagle to run that where the sun does not shine if Martin is the nominee - which will hurt the entire ticket.
Last night Greg Hecht asked Jim Martin about his opposition to a bill that would have made it a felony to deal drugs with 1000 feet of a school and once again Jim Martin refused to answer the question. I reserached the bill and Greg Hecht was absolutely correct. Jim Martin was the only legislator in the House or the Senate to vote against the bill and his reply in the debate was that everyone knew there was a problem with the bill? who was everyone? everyone of his colleagues voted for the bill, every law enforcement representative in the State was for the bill, every school adminstrator was in favor of it. I belive that the only people in Georgia that were opposed to it were drug dealers, criminal defense lawyers and Jim Martin.
When is the AJC and every other media outlet going to demand answers to these questions?
Jim Martin and his positions are not aligned with average Georgians and the Republicans would eat him for lunch if he were to be the nominee! Real Democrats should stand up and admit that and do the right thing for our ticket, Mark Taylor and Georgia by voting for Greg Hecht on August 8th.
By Peggy Richter
August 1, 2006 1:39 PM | Link to this
Why do these Cagle guys feel the need to keep beating up on Ralph Reed. He lost for goodness sake.
If you want us to support Cagle then reach out to the Reed voters, don’t continue to slander Reed. You’ll not win my vote by doing that.
Cagle really does need to reach out to Reed’s 44%. I know a lot of people who supported Reed and they are down on Cagle big time for the kind of campaign he ran.
Continuing to bash Reed will get you know where with us. You’d better start reaching out if you want our support and reaching out does not mean continuing to trash Reed.
Why don’t you get that?
By Reed Voter
August 1, 2006 1:43 PM | Link to this
I’ve been looking into Hecht and think his record is rather moderate to conservative. I think I’ll vote for him if he wins the primary. Martin seems to liberal to me, but I need to learn more.
I agree with Peggy, the Cagle folk have some kind of hangup about Ralph Reed. They are still fighting a battle that has already been won. Better to try to pull Reed’s people into the Cagle fold, but I’ve seen little to suggest they care to do that.
I think Cagle will have a difficult time winning if he refuses to pull the Reed voters into his fold.
By Reagan Conservative
August 1, 2006 1:45 PM | Link to this
Tony, Bahama Boy (AKA Cagle Staffer) Philly is not the only one that refuses to support Cagle. There have been many others including myself.
Tony, who are you to criticize anyone for not supporting Cagle? Quit being a hypocrite. You said you would not support Reed if he won. You think Reed is sleazy.
A lot of people think Cagle is sleazy. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. So give it a rest.
At least Reed was in private business when he made his fortune. Not like Cagle who made his while serving in the state senate.
Speakingof lies, your man Cagle lied about the Taylor contribution and he lied about his contributions on his financial disclosure forms and God knows what else he has lied about that has not come out yet. Cagle lied about Reed supporting forced abortions and child labor.
Again stop being a hypocrite. You think it is ok for Cagle to lie but not anyone else.
The gays and liberals that crossed over to vote for Cagle to stop Reed had a hand in Cagle’s win as well.
The funny thing is I think the Cagle campaign actually thought that after the devisive and distorted campaign Cagle ran, we Reed supporters would just fall in line and blindly support Cagle. Well that ain’t happening.
By Reagan Conservative
August 1, 2006 1:51 PM | Link to this
It is too late to pull me and others i n the Cagle fold.
Cagle deliberately lied in his campaign ads about Reed supporting forced abortions and child labor in the Mariannas. Ronald Reagan was on the same side of the U.S. Labor laws being applied to the Mariannas as Reed was. Reagan was against it as was Reed.
We can all take a stand here and not reward Cagle for his wrong doing. If we reward him then we are saying we support the type of campaign he ran. The Lt. Governor’s office has no real power so what if a Democrat is elected? No harm done except to Casey Cagle.
Enough is enough. I agree with Philly, just say no to Cagle.
By Jack S
August 1, 2006 2:20 PM | Link to this
I think I speak for all rational, honest, bible believing conservatives who finally decided to back Cagle after seeing the truth about Reed - we welcome all to Cagle camp except those foul, stupidly blind, morons who are so filled with hate of anyone and everyone who disagrees with them in the slightest.
Your boy Ralph is a fraud. He got what was coming to him. If you want to take your ball and go home, then go. Everyone will be really, really glad when you’re gone.
By Debbie
August 1, 2006 2:28 PM | Link to this
Jack S, not everyone has the same opinion of Reed as you Cagle supporters do.
I think Ralph Reed is a great man that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He had negative press and then Cagle piled on and ran negative ads that distorted the truth like the ones about the Mariannas.
What you are saying is that anyone that still supports Reed and thinks favoribly of Reed, you Cagle supporters don’t want them on your team.
If that is the case, you can sure count me out and I am sure there are many others that still like Reed and would support him as well if he ran again. You are hurting Cagle’s chances a great deal as you just made it clear you don’t want our vote..
You sound like you just described yourself so you should look in the mirror.
By Debbie
August 1, 2006 2:35 PM | Link to this
You Cagle supporters are basically saying that we Reed supporters have to turn their backs on Ralph and distance ourselves from him in order to support Cagle in November. Huge mistake!!!
By philly
August 1, 2006 2:38 PM | Link to this
Jack, you just described Tony as well. I guess you think it is ok to be “foul, stupidly blind, morons who are so filled with hate of anyone and everyone who disagrees with them in the slightest” as long as you support Cagle.
You guys are so typical of the Cagle race team and his supporters.
By Tony
August 1, 2006 2:42 PM | Link to this
Peggy,
Here’s something easy to grasp. Cagle supporters are sick and tired of this fringe of Reed supporters who whine and cry about Cagle all of the time. They sit here and go over how sleazy a campaign Cagle ran while ignoring what Reed did. I can actually forgive Reed. But I will not sit back and let certain fringe nuts like Philly, Debbie, Howard, Reagan Conservative, etc. sit back and lie about Cagle while giving the man they supported a free pass. If they have a problem with Cagle, they should sack up and say their guy ran an even worse campaign. I cannot stand hypocrites to sit here preaching morality and ethics after placing their man to godlike stature after the campaign he ran.
Peggy, if you are reasonable, you will agree that neither candidate ran a remarkable campaign. But if you are reasonable, you will not sit here and complain about Cagle while not saying something likewise about Reed. Or you can be like a few others who prefer to whine, cry, and take their ball and go home. Philly, Reagan Conservative, etc. obviously care nothing about conservative values because they would rather support a liberal to win over a conservative. There is no hope for them. I just hope there are more reasonable people out there. I’ve talked to quite a few Reed supporters who are humble enough to admit Ralph ran a bad campaign but they’d rather see an accomplished man like Cagle in there with conservative values than Martin or Hecht.
By Philly
August 1, 2006 2:50 PM | Link to this
Tony, you are giving your man Cagle a free pass about his lies (Taylor contribution, disclosure form and Reed supporting child labor and froced abortions) and the fact he made his fortune while a State Senator.
Can’t you stop being a hypocrite?
By Tony
August 1, 2006 2:53 PM | Link to this
Reagan Conservative,
Clearly you are out of touch just like Howard and Philly. BahamaBoy is not a Cagle staffer. Even your buddy Debbie said that. I guess the obvious is not something you’re keen to?
How am I a hypocrite? My views are backed up with fact. Yours are on lies and distortions. How can I vote for a man who repeatedly lied about his opponent? How would I vote for a man who accuses people of breaking the law and offers no proof?
Let me guess Reagan Conservative, you love people who bear false witness? You love people who lie about others like Reed did? You have no problem with just running around professing to be a Christian and then accusing people of breaking the law? Every one of those press releases that came out the last two months of the campaign from Reed about Cagle were lies. But that seems to be rewarded by you? You like supporting lies? You have no problems with false accusations?
I’ve asked you and the rest of the clique here over and over to prove your statements but you just can’t seem to do so. Where did Cagle lie about the contribution? If he lied about all of these things, where are the charges, fines, etc.? How come not a single charge stuck? How come Cagle is not in jail or even in court? I mean if he did break the law, why is he not being punished? I’m just seeing some sour grapes and some juvenile behavior by a few on here.
For the rest of the people out there, there are MANY Reed supporters who have already contributed to Cagle’s campaign. Quite a few have already put signs in their yard. I’ve talked to quite a few Reed supporters who are quite thrilled with taking this seat away from the Dems. There seem to be many who are more principled with conservative values and ideas than some grudge and hatred. The sad part is that many of these disgruntled people call themselves Christians while speaking ill of someone and spreading hate and lies. You’d think they’d spend more time in the Bible than on this blog.
I’ve always been told people’s true characters come out in times of trouble. We see who the real conservatives are.
By Debbie
August 1, 2006 2:54 PM | Link to this
Tony, you hold on one moment. I made it clear I would vote for Cagle because he was the nominee until you and other Cagle supporters like Jack s, basically insinuated we had to distance ourselves from Reed and turn out backs on him in order to support Cagle. We could not support Cagle and have a favorible opinion of Reed.
By Tony
August 1, 2006 2:55 PM | Link to this
Philly, he made his fortune from the time at 20 he bought that shop. But somehow you like to keep lying about that don’t you?
Prove the other lies Philly. Why can’t you just take a simple challenge? I want you to prove Cagle’s lies. Prove it. Simple. If you can’t back up your statements, as Debbie says, you need to shut up.
By Debbie
August 1, 2006 3:00 PM | Link to this
Tony, if you are a true conservative then I am a liberal. What a joke, you a conservative. Really funny.
If memory serves me correctly, you Tony said you would not support Reed if he won and now you are blasting Philly and others for not supporting Cagle. You have a do as I say not as I do mentality.
As far as Cagle lying about the contributions on his financial disclosure forms, there was an article in the Savannah paper where his campaign manager listed contributions not yet received in hand. Want me to refresh your memory? Want me to refresh your memory about how Cagle backtracked on saying he was threatened by Taylor?
If Reed did everything Cagle accused him of why is he not in jail?
By Philly
August 1, 2006 3:10 PM | Link to this
Go check his financial disclosures yourself. His financial holdings increased almost 900% in four years while he was state senator.
They are found at the Secretary of State’s web site for previous years.
Tony you have not proven anything as well. Why is Reed not in jail if he is guilty of illegal actitivity as Cagle alleged?
By Philly
August 1, 2006 3:12 PM | Link to this
I know many Reed supporters that have donated to Hecht.
Answer me something honestly Tony. Do you think Cagle will win if 40% of the Reed supporters do not vote for him? Keep in mind the Dems that crossed over and voted for Cagle will be voting Democrat.
By philly
August 1, 2006 3:20 PM | Link to this
http://www.greghecht.com/gh_georgiaplan.html
By BahamaBoy
August 1, 2006 4:04 PM | Link to this
Sure is noisy around here. So the Reedites are still harping on Cagle and claiming Reed would now be in jail IF he had committed any crimes. Phooey!
As I’ve posted many times, the statute of limitations ran on the CRIME Reed committed in Texas, namely not registering as a paid lobbyist. The only reason Reed was not indicted was the fact that more than two years had passed since he waged that marvelous campaign to knock out one Indian tribe’s casino while being paid millions by a neighboring state’s Indian tribe. (One little, two little, three little Indians …) It just gets so hard to keep up with Reed shenanigans.
As for the ongoing congressional and IRS investigations of Reed’s (mis)use of nonprofits to funnel the more than $5 million in Indian money to his corporate accounts, well, let’s just say the jury is still out on that one. (Whoops! No jury has been empanelled yet. My mistake)
So Reedites, I could care less if all 12 of you stay home, vote for Democrat, or jump off a cliff come November. Your presentations here and elsewhere have demonstrated that you have very little offer in the way of constructive dialogue.
By Tony
August 1, 2006 4:14 PM | Link to this
Debbie,
Prove me wrong about me being a conservative.
As for the disclosures Debbie, are you to believe a newspaper article or are you to believe a lack of the SEC filing a complaint? I don’t see any rulings against Cagle. Funny how you believe a newspaper article over the governing body who rules over disclosures. Check yourself.
Backtracked? How? And where is the lie?
Increased 900%….funny how numerous Americans have had their personal wealth increase even greater than that. Are you a communist who thinks increasing wealth is evil? I challenge you to look at Bill Frist’s finances or even Rudy Giuliani’s wealth increases. Let’s hear the charges against them as well. Just because they’ve increased in wealth while they happen to be in office does not mean something corrupt happened. Again, where are the charges? If he did something wrong, sue him. Charge him. Silence…
Where did Cagle accuse Reed of doing something illegal? Funny I can’t find that. But I can find press releases, mailers, commercials, and website posting accusing cagle of breaking the law. But THAT is fine isn’t it?
And Peggy, let me refer you to this regarding people attacking Reed. Look up at the top of this post. See who attacked who here. Note the certain Reed supporters full of hate and lies who have to be bitter like 5 year olds and keep accusing Cagle of doing illegal things but not being able to back it up.
I see nothing to prove their accusations. I’ve asked them over and over and have yet to see a single claim of theirs proven. But yet they keep bearing false witness. My guess is that they’re the same type screaming for the Ten Commandments to be placed in the Court Houses but somehow they seem to ignore living by “Thou shall not bear false witness”.
By Philly
August 1, 2006 4:16 PM | Link to this
If Reed supporters are supporting Hecht then they’re not true conservatives. I think most of that 40% of Reed’s support are much smarter and more true to their party and principles as you Philly. Unless Ralph is lying, he said he’d be doing everything he can for Cagle. I guess even Ralph is a traitor by your standards?
By McCainite
August 1, 2006 4:30 PM | Link to this
Any disclosures from this writer Debbie should be ignored—I read last week that she DID NOT KNOW that Ronald Reagan was our FIRST divorced President—not that it makes any difference I guess to non-Christian pro-divorcites maybe like her—she stated emphatically that he was not the first. What an ignorant writer she is!
By Bob Long
August 1, 2006 4:32 PM | Link to this
I am shocked by the arrogance of some of the Cagle people posting here. I would hope the Cagle campaign would step in before it is too late.
I think Cagle does need Reed’s supporters to win in November. This election is not going to be as easy as some Republicans think. Neither will it be easy for Perdue.
Cagle’s folk need to quit criticizing Reed. They won and Reed lost. Don’t rub salt into their wounds. We need the Reed voters in order to win.
Quit bashing Reed and his supporter.
By Tony
August 1, 2006 4:44 PM | Link to this
Bob Long,
Look at the top of this blog. Who is the one criticising who? I think you have it completely backwards. Reed has a core group who cannot do anything but hit the blogs spreading the same old lies Republican voters already laughed at. It’s sad that there are a few out there who can do nothing but recycle the same old hateful attitudes that lost. You can keep on blaming Cagle all you want but the facts speak for themselves. It’s Debbie, Philly, Howard, Reagan Conservative, etc. that come on these blogs and have nothing better to do with their time than to call themselves Christians and then recite “oh how I hate thee let me count the ways”. It’s old. It lost. Move on.
By BahamaBoy
August 1, 2006 4:50 PM | Link to this
Bob Long says “Quit bashing Reed and his supporter.”
What Bob, are we down to just ONE supporter — you?
By Bob Long
August 1, 2006 4:52 PM | Link to this
Tony,
Read my post. I’ve said nothing about Cagle. I voted for the guy. It’s some of his supporters I have a problem with.
It serves no purpose for us to continue this fight. Cagle won. We won. But we do need those Reed votes. I agree it would be foolish to be to confident about this fall.
Let’s leave off the Reed bashing and welcome the Reed voters to our campaign. To do less is foolish and childish.
Let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot before we cross the finish line that really matters.
By George Clements
August 1, 2006 6:52 PM | Link to this
Am I the only Democrat who was surprised by Jim Martin’s appearance — and performance — during the Monday night debate? Not only did he not answer some of the questions, he appeared confused at times. For a man who is just turning 61, he looks like he is 71. Is Martin battling a serious illness that we don’t know about? And finally, is this the face that the Democrats want to represent them during the next four years of a Perdue administration? In other words, is this the best that we Democrats can offer?
By Dean
August 1, 2006 7:16 PM | Link to this
Suprised by Jim Martin’s performance? I was suprised that Hecht consided that Jim was the best candidate and offered to be his campaign manager before the election. It doesn;t bode well for Hecht if he knew he wasn’t the best candidate at the start.
By debbie
August 2, 2006 7:40 AM | Link to this
McCainite/gay activists, you are just upset because I am against gay marriage and you are upset because you can not marry your partner.
Give it a break. I will match my IQ against your or your lack of anyday of the week. I will not stop posting so insults accomplish nothing except show you for the immature, hate filled person you are known to be.
I thought there was a President in the earlier times of our country that was divorced but I was mistaken. It was his wife that was divorced and caused a scandel.
By Philly
August 2, 2006 8:16 AM | Link to this
There is an alternative to Cagle and the Democrat in case Martin wins the Democratic Primary.
http://www.buckleyforgeorgia.com/