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By Grass Roots Guy

July 21, 2006 9:11 PM | Link to this

The Republicans have lots of work to do. There is this kind of stuff and then the Reed people who have vowed to sit out the election in protest over Cagle’s extremely negative campaign.

Putting the tent back up, much less getting everyone under it will be a big job for Perdue and Cagle this fall.

Mark Taylor is probably smiling right now. Not only is he in reasonable good shape to take Perdue, but he could also take his vengance upon the state senate with a “D” as Lt. Governor.

By MC

July 21, 2006 10:27 PM | Link to this

Who would have thought a Civil War-minded redneck would have helped Georgia’s Democratic Party?

By Gone

July 22, 2006 3:08 AM | Link to this

Around here we call it “The War of Northern Aggression”, thank you.

By Political Foreskin

July 22, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

That Sonny Perdue is our Governor at all is a symptom of the dumbing down of America. This great mind probably thinks that you can keep beer cold with the ice you can glean from changing a Snowflake Baby’s diaper. Everytime a snowflake baby sneezes, we combat global warming!!

That’s not just a great joke, THAT’S a good IDEAR!!! God help us.

By FlaggerMan

July 22, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Everyone get ready for 4 years of an ANGRY Big Guy Taylor! What an axe to grind!

Sonny is sitting in the People’s House thanks to King Rat’s theft and Chicken Liar’s promises.

Mark this ‘On July 22nd, 2006, FlaggerMan said “Twas the 56 theft that got George on the throne, twas the 56 that knocked him off”

So far this year, Perdookie got 370,372 votes. McBerry and the Dems gathered a total of 529,918. The pride and joy of Georgia Republican Politics Ralph Reed is toast. Bush and National Repubs are a millstone around state ‘R’ politicians, and broken promises are a b*** to live down.

What the Political Inciter guys don’t mention is that at least the same number of McBerry/Anti Reed folks either voted in democratic races where McBerry/Cagle was not an option, or were unavailable to vote - given the low turnout in every primary.

Please continue to fool yourselves into thinking that there are only 50,000 Heritage voters, when we certainly remember the 105,000 votes Perdookie beat Barnes by.

Good ridance Reed! Hey Taylor - remember, all we want is a Fair Flag Vote per HB15 or you’ll be a one termer as well!

By colorado walker

July 22, 2006 1:58 PM | Link to this

if the flaggers can raise nearly 50,000 in 2 months with no money it’s possible they can raise well over a 100,000 votes between now and november,and ole tater does have a little money, i say good-bye perdooky, it’s all over but the crying.

By Debbie

July 22, 2006 5:14 PM | Link to this

I wonder if Mark Taylor will sign a paper giving them a vote on the old flag Barnes took down.

Wasn’t Taylor part of that whole thing? As Lt. Governor that acutally had power at that time, he could have stopped Barnes or at least put roadblocks in his way …

By FlaggerMan

July 22, 2006 7:45 PM | Link to this

Debbie & all (Hey Taylor)

Yes, Barnes #2 was up to his eyeballs in it as well. But cutting Mark some slack, it was fully King Rat who threatened, blackmailed, bullied, and coerced enough wishy washy politicians to vote with him in the flag theft.

Yes Ma’am, Barnes cut funding and programs from those who voted to retain the 56 flag, and at least 1 democrat who voted against the Barnes Rag has his seat removed by redistricting.

It was Barnes and Taylor who created the Flaggers. Barnes stated Georgians would forget in 3 weeks about the flag change, and like the idiots they are, were responsible for “The Great Train Chase, Part 2” when Roy and Mark took a train ride in North Georgia and were booed, hounded, and heckled into oblivion at every stop.

It got so bad for Barnes (the Repubs at this time were eating this stuff up!) he refused to make public appearances - and he was only Flagged about 100 times. Perdue the Chicken Liar has been Flagged over 150 times and campaign season hasn’t yet begun!

Taylor has already begun to distance himself from Barnes - talking positively to a group of Flaggers, and his booth at the Redneck Games had more Southern Flags than did the Inaugruration of Jefferson Davis. Taylor knows full well the issue is a VOTE to include the 56.

Simple ain’t it? A Fair Flag Vote as per HB15, like they had in Mississippi, and the Flaggers will be satisfied.

Politicians will no longer need to lie about a Fair Flag Vote, break promises and be sellouts to the Atlanta Chamberpot of Commerce - for a simple Vote to include the 56 Flag like Perdue promised Georgians.

By Georgia Flagger

July 22, 2006 7:54 PM | Link to this

50th Anniversary of the Georgia 1956 State Flag

On July 1st, 1956, Georgia Senate Bill 98 took effect. SB98 was signed into law on February 13th, 1956 by then-Governor Marvin Griffin, and it called for a new design to the Georgia State Flag.

What is now commonly referred to as the “56 Flag” was created by a suggestion from Atlanta attorney John Sammons Bell, then-chairman of the State Democratic Party, attorney for the Association of County Commissioners of Georgia (ACCG), and later Judge on Georgia Court of Appeals. His desire was to “forever perpetuate the memory of the Confederate soldier who fought and died for his state.”

The flag it replaced was designed by Waynesboro State Senator and former Confederate Colonel Herman H.Perry in 1879, based on the 1st Flag of the Confederacy, AKA Stars and Bars. Similar to our current flag, it had 2 red stripes and 1 white stripe, and a field of blue down the left side.

By 1955 however, people like Representative Denmark Groover argued at the time that the old flag never had enough meaning for him when he was a boy and that the new flag “would replace those meaningless stripes with something that has deep meaning in the hearts of all true Southerners”

Others like Senator Jefferson Davis of Cartersville also argued that the state should be entitled to adopt the new flag, because “Georgia suffered more than any other state in the Civil War and endured a scorched earth policy from the mountains of Tennessee to the sea.� SB98 was discussed and passed with little fanfare, and became law on July 1st, 1956.

It is a fact that under the 1879 Perry version flag, Jim Crow, lynching, segregation, and blatant discrimination were widely practiced and flourished in Georgia, as well as across America, but it is also fact that Georgia’s greatest gains in Civil Rights came under the “56 Flag”.

Under the 1956 Bell version flag, Georgia’s schools were fully integrated, Black citizens were no longer lynched, they began enjoying full civil and equal rights in business, political, and social settings. Georgia gained 3 professional sports teams - Falcons, Braves, and Flames - hosted 2 Superbowls, held the 1996 Olympics, and set the pace for the New South.

Georgia based troops took the “56 Flag” with them onto the foreign battlefields of Viet Nam, Grenada, Beirut, Bosnia, and Desert Storm, and just as their Confederate ancestors before them, fought and died for their homes, families, and flag. Millions of Georgia citizens aged 5 to 50 were born under that flag.

In 1958, the United States Congress passed laws granting the same rights and recognition enjoyed by Union Veterans to men who served in the Confederate States Army and Navy. To this day Confederate Veterans are United States Veterans.

Unfortunantly, the 1956 Bell version flag had it’s enemies. Attempts at claiming the “56 flag” was changed to fight integration a long 2 years after the Brown vs Board decision helped begin the BIG LIE that remains to this day. Although the historical facts are out there that plainly refutes this, truth means little for those with leftist agendas.

Concerning those who claim that the flag was “… designed as a last desperate grasp of defiance against integration.” Judge John Sammons Bell said “Absolutely nothing could be further from the truth … every bit of it is untrue.” He further stated that “Anybody who says anything to the contrary is wrong or perpetuating a willful lie.” Plus in the year 1956 several newspaper accounts of the proposed change in the GEORGIA FLAG were published. In none of the articles was there any hint that the flag change was for any reason other than that stated by the gentlemen who proposed the change.

Former Governor Ernest Vandiver said “I can assure you that there was no discussion of segregation or of the U.S. Supreme Court. All that was discussed was the coming centennial of the Civil War and this flag was meant to be a memorial to the bravery, fortitude and courage of the men who fought and died on the battlefield for the Confederacy. More Americans died in that war than any other war in the history of America, before or since.”

In April 1992, the Atlanta Journal Constitution conducted a poll of 43,000 people, and their results were that 75% of citizens wished the “56 Flag” remain as is. Then on July 5th, 1992, the Atlanta Journal Constitution released the results of their own investigation into the flag change of 1956:”There is little written record of the 1956 Legislature and no audio record. News stories about the change were few. In none of our research did we find any record of a stated connection between changing the flag and opposition to desegregation rulings.”

On Thursday, September 26th, 1996, during the annual Carter Town Hall Meeting at Emory University, Former Georgia Governor and Nobel Prize winner Jimmy Carter stated, “‘We should take the attitude that this (1956) flag is not racist in nature and the fact that the flag does play a major role in Southern history is a legitimate historic recognition.”

But the lies grew and multiplied. Another bit of untruth was that somehow the flag was “Bad for Business”, and although the previously mentioned sports franchises and events came here under the “56 Flag”, businesses like Home Depot were created here, Coca-Cola thrived and truly went global. Hartsfield Airport became the biggest in the world and 3 Interstates were built. Foreign companies built numerous plants here, and the economy was booming. The “56 Flag” was seen in movies like Smokey and the Bandit, and on TV shows like Matlock. Regardless, truth was ignored and facts tossed out the window.

In 1994, James Andrew Coleman filed a Federal Lawsuit against then Governor Zell Miller over the 56 Flag. Mr Coleman lost the suit and the flag remained, but once again Denmark Groover stood up to the plate, and in his deposition under oath he stated ” I have no personal knowledge which would dispute the purely historical motives which were expressed then and since by the sponsors and others involved with the legislation when it was introduced in the Senate. While I cannot say that the Supreme Court’s rulings regarding desegregation played absolutely no role in my decision to support the bill in the House, I can say that segregationist sentiment was not the overriding or even a significant factor in my vote concerning the new flag, or, based on personal observation and knowledge, in its ultimate adoption by the House….â€?

It all finally came to a head in January 2001, when Ex-Governor Roy Barnes Blitzkrieged the legislature with threats, lies, and intimidation. Having ran on a campaign not to touch the flag, and just finished an interview on CNN in October 2000, stating the flag was not an issue, his flag change happened so fast not even most legislators knew what was happening. Those who voted with him received extra money for their campaigns and districts, those who refused were stripped of funding, or even in the case of Bowdon’s Jack West, had his district removed thru redistricting for voting against the change.

Barnes told Georgians people will forget in 3 months, but Georgians are not as stupid as politicians think they are and voted him and his Democratic party out of power for the first time in 132 years. Roy Barnes was also dropped as a Vice Presidential Candidate option from the 2004 National Democratic Ticket. Under the Barnes Rag, our school children were dropped from 49th to 50th in education rankings, and the economy tanked. Barnes even lied about securing the infamous Mercedes Benz plant.

In what must surely be the most idiotic action by politically correct anti-Southern forces in the history of the known universe, the Roy “King Rat” Barnes ‘Ugliest Flag in the World’ (voted 72nd out of 72 by N.A.V.A.) was chosen by only 212,020 people out of nearly 4,000,000 registered voters.

Republican Governor Candidate Sonny Perdue promised to allow a vote on which flag would represent Georgia, between the “56 Flag” and the Barnes Rag. Candidate Perdue looked voters in the eye, and with a handshake PROMISED a vote to include the ‘56 Flag. He sent out letters to thousands and thousands of voters asking their support in exchange for getting a flag vote. The ‘56 Flag Supporters, also known as the Flaggers, swore to help him. Anti-Barnes signs “BOOT BARNES” and ‘LET US VOTE’ signs began popping up in almost every yard. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were donated, millions of grassroots man-hours were spent passing out literature, putting up Sonny signs, Flagging the politicians who voted to remove the 56 Flag so hard Barnes refused to make any public appearances, pro-flag/pro Sonny radio and newspaper ads, countless voters signed up in registration drives, and huge numbers of ‘Yellow Dog’ Democrats switched over for that promised chance to vote between the 2 flags.

On election night, 2002, as the results trickled in and it became clear that Barnes lost, Perdue took the podium to make a victory speech. With Flaggers in the audience, Sonny stated the ‘Flag supporters were not’ with him, the ‘Flag is not an issue for the Perdue Administration’ and began saying “Free at last”.

1 week after his stunning upset victory, which placed Republicans in power for the first time in 132 years, Perdue said ” The people offended by the flag change were only a small constituency of the people offended by Roy Barnes’s arrogant abuse of power, they represent a small piece.” The once much sought after ‘56 Flag supporters were locked out of meetings with Governor Perdue, and then in 2003, instead of a vote as promised between the “56 Flag” and the Barnes Rag, a whole new flag was created.

Even current Georgia US Senator Phil Gingrey had sought Flagger assistance, by promising them if elected, he would gladly fly the 56 Flag outside his office in DC. After election, he proudly hung up the Barnes flag. While avoiding the flaggers, he has sent word thru his daughter that it cost “too much money to purchase a ‘56 flag” and would just use the free one supplied by Uncle Sam.

It is true that Governor Perdue submitted HB380 to provide a vote between the then 3 recent flags (‘56, Barnes, Perdue), but during the 2003 legislative session, the ‘56 Flag as an option was traded away with his blessing to get Democratic support for his controversial tobacco tax. This ultimately alienated the base of Perdue supporters, and the swing Yellow Dogs, and is the reason for the current batch of “SONNY LIED” signs, which Atlanta paper Creative Loafing has dubbed ‘Georgia’s Official Sign’ Of course Sonny being convicted of ethics violation doesn’t hurt either.

When HB380 was originally proposed, the Atlanta business community began complaning. Statements from Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank and several other business leaders said the referendum as proposed is unacceptable and divisive. “In my opinion, the citizens of the state should not be asked to vote on a flag” said Blank, co-founder of Home Depot. Business leaders had been planning for the 2010 Super Bowl and was is in the running against Miami and several other cities in the Western Hemisphere for the Free Trade Area of the Americas headquarters, but neither came to Atlanta. Southern Co. CEO Allen Franklin said “I’m worried about the flag issue having some impact” Spurgeon Richardson, president of the Atlanta Convention and Visitors Bureau: “If the referendum goes the way it’s currently proposed, we think it’s going to be divisive and think it’s going to hurt our chances to get business” All were empty scare tactics.

If any state flag was bad for business, it would have to be Perdue’s flag. The millions in secret taxpayer money never enticed NASCAR to build it’s museum in Georgia. The much ballyhooed Kia plant is nothing but hot air. Businesses have left Georgia like roaches when hit with light - Brown & Williamson Tobacco of Macon, Northrop Grumman of Perry, Ford in Hapeville, and Chevrolet in Doraville. Coca-Cola profits are flat or dropping, plus they never hold their annual convention in Georgia

The well respected Mason Dixon Polling Firm conducted a flag poll in 2004, which was presented to the Perdue Administration by Representative Tim Bearden. It shows that 79% of Georgians say the Flag issue is not settled and demand what is termed a ‘Fair Flag Vote’ as originally promised by Governor Sonny Perdue. Rep. Tim Bearden has submitted HB15 to allow a Fair Vote between the 1956 Bell version flag and 2003 Perdue version flag. Governor Perdue has stated the issue is settled, and the 79% of Georgians can take a hike.

Since January 2001, the 56 Flag has prospered more than any other state flag in American history. It is on hundreds of thousands of flagpoles statewide. It is on shirts, bumpers, hats and car tags. It is very near and dear to a majority of Georgians, and is still an issue undecided. Georgian’s should not have to suffer politicians who lie for political gain, and like the Flaggers, should hold them to their campaign promises.

Currently the only main candidate for Georgia Governor openly promising a Fair Flag Vote is Republican Ray McBerry. A Flag vote is all that was asked for in January 2001, again in January 2002, and right up till today. Even Ga.State Rep.Tyrone Brooks, the man who is most credited for his efforts in the change, had requested a flag vote. The Mississippi Flag issue was allowed a public vote, and from that vote their issue was settled. Do the Citizens of Mississippi have more rights than do Georgians?

As the 50th Anniversary of the 1956 Georgia State Flag is upon us, let us take time to reflect on all the progress, the wonderful growth, the removal of boundaries, and the excellent expansions of horizons that have come to pass. Let us remember in mind and deed those soldiers who the 56 flag was designed to honor, and the other US Veterans who gave their last full measure for that flag. Let us shun those who spread the BIG LIE about the 56 Flag and remember the promises of those currently sitting in office, and let them know that 79% of Georgians refuse to tolerate or forget being stabbed in our backs just for our vote.

Thanks & God Bless Billy B

By Lincoln's Advantage

July 22, 2006 9:35 PM | Link to this

The Confederate Battle Flag is the coolest historic relic in the entire civil war.

I’d do anything to get a real one.

However, it makes some of my fellow americans living today feel badly because it’s heyday coincided with their ancestor’s lives in slavery.

The ‘56 Flag belongs in the museums, and lucky collector’s archives, but has no business irritating citizens of the great state of Georgia.

The postage stamp size replica on today’s state flag is a brazen affront to the dignity of all of Georgia’s citizens.

The 1865 Yankee Flag is not resurrected today because it changed as the number of states grew.

Why would anyone want to remember how that cool Confederate Battle Flag led so many young americans into the teeth of massed Yankee artillery in virtually every single battle the south lost. You’d think the generals would try going around the artillery, but no, they’d spend all morning finding the yankee artillery, and then all afternoon lining up in neat rows and marching into it, redressing their lines as they went.

The south’s only chance to win the Civil War came at Seven Days. Lee had a confused McClellen all spread out in front of Richmond, and he was there for the taking. A real general would have known by then how to construct the orders that would have placed the army so as to destroy the Yankees. The roads were there, the available troops were all in the right embarking spot, all it took was a commander who could communicate his intention effectively to his generals, which Lee never could do. The closest Lee came to a comprehensible order was when Stonewall Jackson said, “I’m going around here”, and Lee nodded, in the hours before Chancelorsville. Lee just couldn’t give a clear order.

But that was the least of Lee’s shortcomings. He also didn’t understand what a battle engendered in the overall scheme of the war. He was still thinking in terms of a single battle having a end with victory or defeat tag on it. No, no, no, Mr. Lee. There’s no battle, there’s only a war, and the idea is to stay engaged and not think in terms of retreat or advance in a tactical sense, but in terms of a strategic advantage in a series of continued clashes that never has an end until the enemy is destroyed. The first general to realize that was Lincoln, with Grant understanding it next, and then Sherman.

Had Lee understood about what war really was, then he would have won that war in front of Richmond in 1862 at the seven days.

So, everytime I look at the Confederate Battle Flag, I get PO’d over the waste of such an amazing army by a incompetent fool in the person of Robert E. Lee.

By KA

July 22, 2006 11:15 PM | Link to this

It’s my understanding that Taylor was/is a KA.

Which means he is something of a “flagger” himself.

Taylor knows his Confederate heritage, and now that he is rid of Barnes’ baggage, he will call for a Fair Flag Vote.

You can bet on it.

By liar's worst enemy

July 23, 2006 3:40 AM | Link to this

Mr. Lincoln’s Advantage:

Which history books have you been reading?

According to the two greatest modern Generals of our time, General Rommel and General Patton, Lee was the greatest tactician of all time. During the 7 days battle you are second guessing Lee about, do you recall the number of soldiers on both sides? As usual Lee was outnumber around 2 to 1, he was outgunned, and communication was lousy as was the weather and roads.

Before you decide to take on what is widely considered to be the greatest General of all time let me share some words of wisdom my Dad shared with me. It is better to have half the people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth (or email) and remove all doubt. Other than spelling General Lee’s name right, you were wrong about everything else.

By Philly

July 23, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

Grassroots, you are correct. I would say that Perdue has a much better chance of being elected than Cagle does. Many upset Reed people will either sit out November or just not vote for Cagle.

If the Dems are smart enough to nominate Hecht then some Reed voters will vote for Hecht.

The Lt. Governor has no real power now. It was taken away by the GOP Senate Mafia. It will not hurt the GOP cause to have a Democrat Lt. Governor. It will rightly punish the GOP Senate Mafia for their part in the Cagle nasty campaign.

The bottom line is the Cagle campaign stepped over the line as far as negative campaiging. If Cagle is elected, it will continue. If the Reed voters do not vote for Cagle that will send a huge message that this type of negative campaigning will not be tolerated. Cagle should not be rewarded for what he did.

By Lincoln's Advantage

July 23, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Four w*******, and Seven Beers ago…..(Lincoln at an AA meeting).

You’re wrong, sir! I have read and reread the official reports on every single battle the south lost in The Civil War. I get so angry when I get to the part where they find out where the Yankees have lined up all their artillery. I go, “No, not again, dont line up all your men like ducks and charge that massed artillery double shot with cannister again, NO! SOMEONE STOP THEM!”

I get so angry, that I often throw the book I’m reading across the room, and boy does my wife hate that.

But give me a break. We HAD THEM at Gettysburg. We HAD THEM at Seven Days, they were all sprawled out in front of Richmond like a wounded alligator on its side. Look at the maps. Check out where Lee had his reserves. He had them surrounded, and cut off, if he could have given the order CLEARLY.

That’s the rub. Lee could not communicate effectively his intention. He always worded his orders so that the general could spin those orders to mean: Just do nothing unless you catch the yankees naked bathing in a pond, then shoot them.

I’ve read the official records of the battle accounts over and over and over hoping that somehow, someway, Lee will actually say, “ATTACK! ATTACK NOW!! DONT STOP FOR NOTHING! MOVE FORWARD. SHOOT AT EVERYTHING YOU SEE! ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK”.

Only Grant and Sherman did that at Lincoln’s behest. Lincoln was the greatest general we’ve ever had. He had the overall vision of what large bodies of men are capable of and what disasters can befall them.

you see, nothing really bad can happen to an army. Not really. You can always find an impregnable defensive line and hold out until you can regroup and counter attack.

Spottsyllvania proved that. The Yankees kept massing infantry and moving them forward until they were a gigantic swarm of men fifty ranks deep, pressed up against the confederate line. But the rebels held. There’s no advantage to massing that many men together because the rifles in the rear ranks cant do anything, they are effectively blocked by their own men. There exists a logistical point of diminshing return.

Here’s how the south could have won. Lee divides the entire army into three divisions. (Including artillery). Then engage the enemy in their front and come on strong pushing the artillery up front as you advance. Then you take the other two divisions and do the same on each flank. The order should be. ATTACK! ATTACK NOW! DONT WAIT FOR SIGNALS. DONT TRY TO COORDINATE ANYTHING, JUST ATTACK!!

Lee wasted opportunity with the word, “Demonstrate”. Replace that word with ATTACK, and we’d all be speaking like true southern gentlemen!!

Another fatal mistake constantly repeated by lee is this:

One of the problems at the second day at Gettysburg was that the rebels tried to time their attacks to hit at a delayed sequence. The truth of attacking with a large force is this: They will hit at a delayed sequence naturally. If you try to force a time lapse between attacks, you will cause unnecessary delays, which is what happened, and you will lose. It’s just too easy to defend a line that can fall back and regroup as easily as the Yankees learned to do at Gettysburg.

There’s a physical factor concerning large bodies of men just marching around in a field that Lee never understood. If you read his letters, he spent alot of time thanking his sister for sending him socks and underwear. Go ahead, read Lees letters. It explains everything about that man.

Read his actually field orders too. that reveals why the south lost to a T.

Believe the Lee myth, if you will, but thank God for Lincoln.

Lincoln was dope wid da strategery…tupac out.

By Jack S

July 23, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Is it me or are the Reed bloggers here starting to sound a lot like the flaggers.

By Georgia Flagger

July 23, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Hey Linkkkoln’s Advantage

Man what a laugh. You sure are quite the comedian! I was thinking that it was Bragg who failed at Chattanooga to crush Sherman and Thomas, Hood who threw away his army at Franklin and Johnston who was great at falling back, but never attacking that were the Southern bad guys.

You said “The postage stamp size replica on today’s state flag is a brazen affront to the dignity of all of Georgia’s citizens.” You seem to be at least 3 years behind the times - you refer to King Rat Barnes ugly rag.

Our current state flag has 9 Yankee State stars on it, is not the flag 79% of Georgians voted for or wanted, is the flag that Tyrone Brooks demanded and Jesse Jackson approved, and is flying over us because of a republican Tabacco Tax.

By liar's worst enemy

July 23, 2006 2:36 PM | Link to this

Lincoln Dude:

I see that your response when confronted with facts is to change the battle and bring up something totally different and to the previous discussion, irrelavent. Somehow you failed to address the disparity in numbers of troops. Surrounding someone with a thousand men with a hundred men is possible, defeating them is another matter.

On Gettysburg, poor communication was certainly a key element in the Southern defeat. You persist in blaming Lee, though not based in fact you are entitled to your opinion. General Lee depended on his Calvary for tactical information, and again EVERY history book, Northern, Southern, or Eurpoean agrees that the reason the Confederates lost at Gettysburg was the absense of Gen. JEB Stuart which represented Lee’s eyes and ears. Lee failed to receive the information on enemy numbers and positions, so when he acted belatedly, the Confederates were badly informed as to the positions and strength.

General Grant wasn’t a great tactician, but he understood numbers really well, if you outnumber the enemy 8 to 1 you can trade lives at the rate of 7 to 1 and still win. General Sherman was a terrorist and war criminal, as was General Sheridan. The US was a signatory of the first Geneva Convention in 1862 which forbade Military Action against Civilian Populations. Since President Lincoln who you are so proud of knew of these actions and approved them shows just how little integrity the man actually had.

I’ve studied the battles of the War Between the States my whole life, it doesn’t make me an expert just old, but I do have some limited knowledge because I can’t have forgotten everything I’ve read. The Confederacy lost their only chance of Victory at the first battle of Manassas, Bull Run to Yankees. In the aftermath of the battle General Jackson pleaded with President Davis to just give him 20,000 men and he would capture Washington City. He would have done exactly that, he may have captured Lincoln, he would have certainly have gained money, weapons, and food stuffs enough to shorten the War if not end it. Certainly there would have been no Western Campaign by the Yankees, not in 1862 or 1863 and it is likely the North would have sued for Peace, which is all the Confederacy wanted. They never wanted control of the North.

By Ken

July 23, 2006 5:03 PM | Link to this

My great-great-granddaddy was killed in the Battle of Jonesboro and I get by every year or so to pay my respects to him and the other brave men buried in a mass grave in what had been the Jonesboro freight yard.

However, I think he would be amazed and appalled that grown men with lives to live and families to support are still passionately debating that war, and still clinging to the battle flag that he followed for just four years, 142 years later.

It’s a chapter of our history worthy of study, but it’s over. Get over it.

By The Thin Guy

July 24, 2006 1:01 AM | Link to this

If you really think The Fat Guy would let you vote on the Flag you need to contact Andy Young. He picked the wrong goober. It’s over guys. The Stars and Bars are never going to fly over Georgia again. The UGA band is never going to play Dixie again. You’re not going to get any Confederate holidays off from work. Fifty years from now it will be a hate crime to have a copy of Gone With the Wind. Political correctness is God.

By JP

July 29, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

Gone, the rational among us call the Civil War “Over.”

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