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Raw numbers: a reality check
An election in which the numbers didn't match the hype
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
On Tuesday – we’re using 97 percent returns here – a total of 402,764 people voted in the most heavily publicized down-ticket race in the history of Georgia for sure, and maybe of the USA.
And in what may have been the least-noticed contested Democratic primary race for lieutenant governor ever in this state, 443,226 voted. Democrats have always had bigger primaries in Georgia, but the comparison in this particular race is still striking considering the huge difference in the hype.
Many Republicans are breathing a sign of relief today that the shadow of Jack Abramoff won’t be hanging over the fall campaign, and that Gov. Sonny Perdue has been delivered up the Democrat they’ve worried about least, with a hefty lead in the polls.
But a raw-number comparison of both statewide and legislative races paints a picture of a competitive two-party state that neither Republicans nor Democrats can take for granted.
Sure, these numbers are affected by some rural counties where the big local races are still in the Democratic primary, but that’s being swiftly offset by the Republican dominance in the ‘burbs.
Speaking of taking for granted, here are the starkest numbers to emerge from the Republican primary: Ray McBerry got 48,113 in the governor’s race against Sonny Perdue, and Ralph Reed lost to Casey Cagle by 49,126 votes.
By no means does that say the flaggers, whose cause McBerry represents, elected Cagle. It does indicate Reed got into the kind of cross-issue stew that poisoned Roy Barnes.
Back in ’02, it was the flaggers plus the teachers plus the county sheriffs who defeated Barnes in many South Georgia counties. This year, it was the flaggers plus the disaffected churchgoers who hurt Reed in the same areas.
Question: What do those 48,000-odd voters do this fall?



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By Philly
July 19, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
I will sit out in November and not vote. Let the Georgia GOP see what happens when christian conservatives sit out and not vote.
By Who cares?
July 19, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
Current population of Georgia, from the US Census Bureau, as of 2005: 9,072,576
And what, 440,000 voted?
Less than 5% turnout. Puh-leez. Split it in half since Dems probably didn’t vote in the Pubs’ primary, and you still have less than TEN percent turnout. What a joke!
There is only one issue for this election: the first candidate to figure out how to get people to care, and thus vote, will win in a landslide. How do you do that? Dump the stupid party-lining, the mudslinging, and all the popular hot-button issues and get back in touch with the average person.
Hell, I could run on that platform. Shame the primaries are over…
By SW
July 19, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
As sad as the turn out numbers were, as a resident in the 4th District I am so proud of each voter that made his or her way to the polls to vote against Cynthia McKinney. Reed not being able to beat someone as beatable as Cagle speaks volumes in regards to how people perceived Reed. Reed is just plain creepy; I feel in need of a good hot shower after I see him on television.
By Curious
July 19, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
Hmmm… Reed lost to Cagle by 49,000. Cox lost to Taylor by 37,000. Did crossovers to defeat Reed cost Cox a win? I know I received a phone call encouraging folks to do this. Maybe the Big Fat Guy was behind this call?! Curious.
By Philly
July 19, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Cagle will be defeated in November. Hecht will get conservative vote angry about the Reed election.
I feel like I need a colon cleanse whenever I see Creepy Casey on the tube.
By Tony
July 19, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Philly,
What you’re telling me is that there is a small group of ‘conservatives’ that would sacrifice their own personal principles and vote for someone who is counter to everything they believe in all because of bitterness and hatred and some grudge? THAT does not sound conservative and that SURELY doesn’t sound Christian.
By Amused
July 19, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
That presumes Hecht will make it to November. Folks who crossed over in July can’t cross back in August.
By Joe
July 19, 2006 1:05 PM | Link to this
How many others noticed that in the Lt. Govenors race ex newswoman and MARTA spokesperson Steen Miles had the nickname Newslady on the ballot? Whats up with that? This just smells bad to me, its like she is a favorite or something. Highy unethical to say the least.
By Curious Observer
July 19, 2006 1:15 PM | Link to this
Where is Debbie? We demand Debbie. Is she still ministering to poor Anne?
By Party-pooped Anarchist
July 19, 2006 1:53 PM | Link to this
“Curious” and “Amused” raise interesting points. In secular zeal to “cross-over” and defeat a “Lt. Goober” candidate (who probably lost to Cagle without that aid, and would lose to Martin or Hecht in November anyway), many 4th District Dems have disenfranchised themselves for 8/8. Granted, many “touchscreeners” are forced to tap with their left, while “nose-holding” with their right in most elections. In addition to shafting Cathy Cox, sure hope that the tambourine-tapping, cop beater, Cynthia McBigot doesn’t get a free pass. “Big picture” strategy seems secondary to self-serving feelings and partisan single issues.
By Kevin Kirby
July 19, 2006 1:55 PM | Link to this
A large part of the vote for Cagle also came from the gay and lesbian vote. Many metro Atlanta gays voted GOP just to defeat Ralph Reed.
By Tony
July 19, 2006 2:47 PM | Link to this
I never knew the Dems had a monopoly on the gay vote. I know for a fact Ralph got some of the ‘gay vote’ as well. Some voted for him because they wanted to see him take down the whole house of cards.
Honestly I think Ralph relied solely on HIS grassroots rather than the whole party. He limited his universe to just HIS people and hoped for a really low turnout.
If you want a simple look, check out county by county. Cagle won many rural counties that are not exactly hotbeds of gay activism.
By ted brodek
July 19, 2006 2:48 PM | Link to this
It can be argued that, once again, a narrowly focused vote by elements of the gay and lesbian community damaged a candidate who has always supported them: 4th District Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. Because some of her constituents decided to vote Republican, wasting their vote on Cagle who didn’t even need their support, they could well have deprived McKinney of the margin she needed to break the 50% barrier. Such tactics, whether for Majette in 2002 or against Reed in 2006, often have unintended but serious consequences.
By John D
July 19, 2006 3:50 PM | Link to this
Are any of the people who are dissecting the gay vote actually gay themselves? I am, and I don’t have near the insight they do into how an entire population of people voted.
By Concerned
July 19, 2006 3:59 PM | Link to this
It’s unfortunate we don’t have a real third party from which to choose moderate, honest candidates with unquestionable integrity. There are so many accusations during current primaries, it’s no wonder the silent majority don’t bother to vote! Yet after the primary they’re one big happy family again to do what they can to get their party in power. I want a moderate party (not left, not right) that is the voice of reason. A party with an eagle for a mascot!
By RL
July 19, 2006 4:05 PM | Link to this
Ted, I voted in the Republican primary to vote against Reed… if I had voteed Democratic Hank Johnson would have received my vote.
By RL
July 19, 2006 4:07 PM | Link to this
Concerned, Join this Democrat in voting Libertarian in November. The Georgia Democrati Party is DEAD… and just about gone.
By Concerned
July 19, 2006 4:28 PM | Link to this
RL, Why do you call yourself a “Democrat” if you consistently vote for other parties? RE: Democratic Party’s Demise - 53% of the votes cast for a gubernatorical candidate (Republican+Democrat) were via Democratic ballots. See Governor results
By RL
July 19, 2006 4:42 PM | Link to this
Concerned, I am a Democrat, just not a GEORGIA Democrat. The Georgia Democratic party is by and large Republican Lite.
Very seldom in my life have I voted for other parties… but that is about to change as long as I am in Georgia.
I’ll still vote for my State Rep and Senator because the are REAL democrats… statewide however only Jim Martin and Denise Majette will get my vote!!
By GKK
July 19, 2006 4:47 PM | Link to this
Explain to me why ANY conservative would vote for Hecht or Martin? I am confused….
By Philly
July 19, 2006 4:58 PM | Link to this
I will not vote Democratic but will just not vote in November. What makes you think that Hecht is not conservative?
Cagle is scum. He twisted facts and lied about Reed. Cagle became rich while serving in the State Senate. Cagle won the GOP Primary because there was anti Reed support he had. The general election is a whole different ball game.
I say let the Georgia GOP see how many races they win if the christian conservatives sit at home. We can send a message they will not forget!!!
By to you philly
July 19, 2006 5:11 PM | Link to this
Perhaps when Christian talibanists, err, “conservatives” sit out an election, the republican party will revert back to the party of limited government, instead of the party that has increased non defense spending more than the democrats ever had. Maybe we’ll go back to staying out of peoples business and reducing government. Maybe we’ll go back to recognizing that theocracy is not a good system of government.
Because all that the christian conservatives have brought to the republican party is a welfare state mentality, political correctness, a culture of victimology, and feeble minds. Let the door hit you on the way out. Good riddance.
By John D
July 19, 2006 5:24 PM | Link to this
I voted for McCarley for Governor. He was the only Dem that sounded like a Dem. Bill Bolton? I couldn’t understand his sentences.
By BahamaBoy
July 19, 2006 5:39 PM | Link to this
Philly, you are coming undone. Get over yesterday’s loss and put it behind you.
Repeating Ralph’s mantra: Cagle twisted facts and lied about Reed; Cagle became rich while serving in the State Senate; 900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent! — is going to get you nowhere.
Reed never was able to connect with those charges because they are false. Everything thrown at Reed was factual and pointed directly to his character and fitness to serve in public office. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, Reed threw at Cagle had any merit. All of those charges were checked out by independent organizations and the conclusion was Reed was the one twisting and manipulating the facts to mislead voters.
But nothing I say to you will change your hot little head about any of this, will it?
I enjoyed coming on here to set the record straight whenever I could, and keep phony propagandists like you and Little Debbie from connecting with undecided voters.
The truth won out Philly. Poor another glass of Kool-Aid and relax!
By Philly
July 19, 2006 5:44 PM | Link to this
Gays and leftist crossed over and voted for Cagle. They will not do that in November. Cagle accused Reed of committing a crime , supporting forced abortions and child prostitution. Cagle will not get my vote nor will he get others upset about Cagle’s campaign.
It ain’t over until November. Justice will then be done.
By BahamaBoy
July 19, 2006 5:55 PM | Link to this
It is a crime to engage in lobbying in Texas for hire without registering and reporting specifics about who is behind the effort, how much is being spent, on what, and by whom. Failure to do so is a misdemeanor. The law is subject to a two-year statute of limitations.
Reed lobbied; didn’t register; hid the funding info; bragged about his efforts to Abramoff in emails. But it wasn’t discovered until after the two-year statute had run. He was not indicted for the crime due to what some folks call a “technicality.”
So was Cagle so wrong to claim Reed probably had committed crimes? I don’t think so, and obviously quite a few others got that message loud and clear.
Like I said Philly, I am here to set the record straight. Of course some people just don’t want to deal with the truth. They prefer fantasyland.
By Philly
July 19, 2006 6:02 PM | Link to this
Gay Georgians Real Winners in Primary Elections
Politics of gay bashing and fear losing their appeal
July 19, 2006, Atlanta, Georgia - Support for equality for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Georgians gained momentum last night as the results were announced for both Republican and Democratic Primaries.
“Those candidates who threw us and our families under the bus for their own benefit were resoundingly defeated, while those who stood by us survived,� said Chuck Bowen, Executive Director of Georgia Equality.
“Voters not only turned their backs on Ralph Reed and Cathy Cox who are very different politically, but in other races as well including Greg Hecht and Kay Godwin, a member of the Christian Coalition from Waycross Georgia who also served on Governor Perdue’s Social Conservative Advisory Team.�
Georgia Equality will be directing all of its focus on endorsed candidates who face runoffs including Jim Martin in the Lt. Governor’s race and Douglas Dean in House District 59
By Nick
July 19, 2006 6:50 PM | Link to this
Heaven forbid members of the gay community vote for (or against) the candidates they think will best represent them …
You’re telling me there actually are people out there voting based on what a candidate stands for? And here I was thinking I knew the electoral process …
By Tony
July 19, 2006 6:52 PM | Link to this
Philly,
BahamaBoy is correct. If anything Ralph said was true, Cagle would be under the jail right now. He’d have investigations coming at him from the state and federal levels.
The people heard both messages and they decided who they trusted and believed more. It is clear that these voters did not agree with Reed. If you say all of what Ralph accused Cagle of doing was true, you are calling 56% of the voters in the GOP primary fools and liars.
As to the theory that some mass gay conspiracy came over and voted for Cagle, let’s look at the numbers. More people voted in the Perdue/McBerry race. McBerry only got 12% of the vote. If there was some mass gay conspiracy wouldn’t it have made more sense to vote against Sonny to embarrass him more?
Let’s also look at the counties Cagle won. He won in many rural counties by greater percentages than the overall vote. He won in some of the most conservative areas of the state. In these rural areas, I’d say there is not a large gay population that could swing an election. Shave a huge percentage of the difference in the race of 50K and Cagle still gets the election.
You can make excuses all day but Cagle won. The voters decided. As Ralph would say, it’s settled. If Ralph can concede and offer support to Casey, why can’t you?
How can a Christian sit here and pout about an election and not support someone due to so much hate, bitterness, and animosity? Those hardly sound like Christian values. You’d rather see someone of far left values win over in November all due to some hatred and vendetta? Look at this picture and tell me if this is truly representative of Christian values.
You can also say repeatedly Christian conservatives will lay out due to them being abused and neglected. Well this is one Christian conservative that will support Casey because he can be trusted and is a man of his word. Ralph can support him, why can’t you?
By Howard
July 19, 2006 7:09 PM | Link to this
And if everything Cagle was true of Reed he would be in jail now. Cagle went overboard. Tony I have read your postings and you are anti christian not christian. Don’t waste your time trying to convince me to vote for Cagle. It is time to say no to negative politics.
The only reason he won was because of anti Reed vote and cross overs and negative campaigning. We can send a message we will not tolerate a fellow christian being treated that way.
I would sooner vote for Bin Laden than Cagle. I will boycott the general election and I encourage other christian conservatives to do the same.
By Thinker
July 19, 2006 7:10 PM | Link to this
As someone who lives out of state I was very curious to see the reaction to Reed losing the primary.
Atlanta, you have done the country proud by rejecting the hated of reed and his ilk. Congrats, and keep up the good work.
By BahamaBoy
July 19, 2006 7:18 PM | Link to this
Alright! That’s two for the bin Laden camp — Howard and Philly!
Are there any more Reedites waking up from their hangover ready to declare allegiance to a new Leader?
I’ve been over and over these “facts” before; facts which are inconvenient for these Kool-Aid addicts. Even FoxNews’ Special Report did a piece on the GA primaries tonight, and the Reed defeat was featured on the second segment of the Fox’s All-Stars. Reed went down because of Abramoff. It’s as simple as that. Cagle won because Reed got in bed with w*******. (Figuratively, folks.)
Let’s get back to winning in November. (And encouraging people to vote against McKinney one more time!)
By Tony
July 19, 2006 9:48 PM | Link to this
Howard and Philly are representative of why people were turned off by Reed. Howard and Philly claim to be Christians but clearly have issues of too much hate and not enough forgiveness, not that there is anything that needs to be forgiven.
Howard and Philly claim to be Christians but then shout every insult under the sun about Casey Cagle and those who support him. They would rather allow liberals to win and carry on their agenda. Now with Howard’s comment, HE would rather support Osama Bin Laden.
Howard, I am a Christian. I can show love, compassion, and forgiveness. I can move on and work to promote Christian values without showing hate. I didn’t need Cagle to win or lose to feel this way. You on the other hand spit hatred left and right. If you were a follower of Ralph, you’d heed his call. My guess is that now that Ralph is on board with Cagle, HE has somehow sold out according to you?
I could care less if I convince you to vote for anyone Howard. Only YOU can come to the conclusion that many already have and still are doing. You can either do your part to help liberals and Bin Laden or you can climb on board. If Ralph can do it, surely you can. Or was Ralph’s values and decisions not good enough for you after all?
By truth
July 19, 2006 11:08 PM | Link to this
So, much for any say that Sadie Fileds might of thought she ever had in this world. The flaggers have more pull. And, well, certainly are smarter in how they use it.
(but, now, brothers n sisters, we must have forgiving, compassionate hearts. we musn’t hate her, nor laugh at her, nor call her a ‘fool’, nor shall we wish her badly. ours is the do what we can that she may one TRULY stumble her way to Him.)
By um
July 20, 2006 1:21 AM | Link to this
To “Who cares?”: The analysis you used to calculate voter tournout is deeply flawed. It doesn’t take into account what percentage of the population is under 18 or otherwise ineligible to vote (i.e. non-citizens). Also, voter turnout percentages are usually measured by % of registered voters.
Turnout was low, but 5% can’t be right.
By Reagan Conservative
July 20, 2006 6:14 AM | Link to this
Count me in as another Reed supporter that will sit out the election or vote Democrat. I am so disgusted with the Georgia State Senators and GOP that I am really giving serious considertion to sitting out the election.
If you think I am alone, then you are out of touch. Even the Reed supporters like Debbie are only providing lip service to supporting Cagle. She said she would support the nominee but her husband was voting for the Democrat.
Things will not change unless the GOP loses control.
Cagle got in bed with gays and liberals to destroy Reed. Cagle lied in his ads and distorted the truth. He may be forgiven for that but he still has to face the consequences.
I look forward to the Democratic attacks on Cagle. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap…
By BahamaBoy
July 20, 2006 9:00 AM | Link to this
Reagan Conservative, I knew Ronald Reagan and, trust me, YOU are no Reagan Conservative!
By Tony
July 20, 2006 9:52 AM | Link to this
Reagan Conservative,
Then you and those like you cannot call yourselves Christians. You come on here spouting hate. You spout vengeance and bitterness. You claim to be conservative but you’d vote for a liberal? You would vote for someone completely opposed to your values? For what? Revenge? Hatred? Those are EXCELLENT values and top notch Christian values.
Frankly if this is the way you feel, then by all means go vote for those who obviously share your values of vengeance and bitterness towards conservatism. The party does not need those who are so filled with animosity they can vote for liberals.
You see Ralph has publicly stated he will support Cagle. Why can’t you? And if you’re saying Debbie and others like her are only spouting lip service then you are saying her and those like her are all liars for saying one thing and doing another.
Trust me. You are doing more damage to your cause for acting no different than my children. They all want to pout when they don’t get their way. They want to take their ball and go home. Well in politics, it’s not play time. Either you fight the fight or get out of the way and let the grown ups do it. One way or another conservatives will carry on. You’re either with us or with the liberals. Take your pick. This Christian conservative doesn’t claim your cause or your attitude.
By Jack
July 20, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
Liberals, the media, Cagle — they didn’t destroy Ralph Reed. Ralph Reed destroyed himself. He made bad judgments with regard to Abramoff, took money from gambling interests (and knew they were gambling interests) while decrying gambling, and did not ‘fess up and admit he’d done it. Ralph Reed’s own actions were his downfall.
By BahamaBoy
July 20, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
You are so right Jack: Ralph Reed LOST the election more so than Cagle won it. Had Reed’s past not caught up with him he would be the LG nominee right now.
Truth is, conservative voters in Georgia would have voted for Daffy Duck over Ralph Reed, just to show him how they really feel about his character and values.
By Elmer Fudd
July 20, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
BahamaBoy, I knew Daffy Duck, Daffy Duck was a friend of mine and Casey Cagle is no Daffy Duck! Please leave Daffy out of this.
Ththththththat’s All Folks!
By Philly
July 20, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
I can vote Libertarian. I will not vote for Cagle under any circumstances as in doing so I would approving of the type of campaign he ran. He needs to be pay for what he did.
http://www.buckleyforgeorgia.com/index.asp
What you are telling us is that we can vote for lying, sleazy, unethical scum or be on the side of the liberals. I choose the side of the liberals.
After all that is how Casey defeated Ralph was by being in bed with the liberals.
“By Mike
July 20, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Rest assured, there was A LOT of crossover voting on Tuesday and it was primarily Democrats crossing over and voting against Reed. I do think McKinney was a target as well (and rightfully so) but I think there were leaps and bounds more people voting against Reed’s hypocritical ethics and extreme, activist Christian Coalition views. Just read the numerous posts on this website relating to other voting topics and you’ll see just how large a number there were. As for me, I’m a conservative Democrat and also gay and I voted Republican on Tuesday to stop Reed. He’s one of the biggest threats to Georgia government that I’ve seen in a very long time. I can also say that I have not seen such a strong and concerted effort on the part of the gay community to rally against any one candidate in a very long time too”
By Tony
July 20, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
No I think Ralph defeated Ralph Philly. His lack of good judgment in the past few years led to his own downfall. People saw this and made the move to prevent Ralph from going any further.
Again, as for some mass liberal/gay/anti-Christian conspiracy, I disagree. Look at the many rural counties Cagle won with higher percentages than the overall one. Cagle won in areas I know a mass Democratic turnout did not take place. And in many of these counties I’d say there’s not some overwhelmingly gay population.
If there was a massive crossover, why didn’t it show in other GOP races? Look at Perdue’s election. Where was the indicators of a massive crossover protesting Sonny? Take half of McBerry’s votes away and apply those to the Cagle race and Cagle still comes out on top.
By Mike
July 20, 2006 1:26 PM | Link to this
As much as I appreciate people thinking enough of what I say to actually quote me, I think Philly is way off base. What he’s implying is that Cagle courted the gay vote which he definitely did not do (at least not to my knowledge). Simply put, many gay and straight people alike saw the true threat that existed had Reed been elected and we all realized that that simply could be allowed to happen. That’s the reason for the crossover. Also I would caution Philly on how he chooses to characterize me and my comments. Please re-read my post Philly. I am a conservative Democrat, not a liberal. And anticipating your next post, yes, there actually are conservative gay people out there!
By Justin
July 20, 2006 2:05 PM | Link to this
These reports of crossover voting have me thinking that Georgia needs to institute a system by which people register by party or as an independent. I think there might be a little more support for it now because the crossover voting affected Republicans and Democrats this time. The whole idea of a primary is to have citizens who identify with a particular party vote for the best candidate to represent them. People who crossover to vote in a primary for a party they dislike seems just as petty and stupid as the actions of the politicians they complain about.
By BahamaBoy
July 20, 2006 2:14 PM | Link to this
Uh … Philly, you did “vote for lying, sleazy, unethical scum.” His name is Ralph Reed.
By Debbie
July 20, 2006 2:16 PM | Link to this
http://www.sos.state.ga.us/elections/election_results/default.htm
There was a great deal of crossover voting against Reed. Look at the numbers in 2002 and 2006 in the GOP Primary in just Fulton and Dekalb. Fulton in 2002 -27,864 2006 - 33,085 Dekalb 2002 - 5,637 2006 - 13,754
By BahamaBoy
July 20, 2006 2:23 PM | Link to this
Crossing over to vote in another political group’s primary is fair game, unless and until the rules are changed. It allows voters to use their personal clout to affect the outcome of elections.
If we went to a system of registration and certification where voters had to sign an oath to support a certain party, and thereafter could only vote in that party’s primary elections, cross over voting would disappear. Do you see any chance of this happening any time soon?
Once they’ve voted in one of the party’s primary elections, though, they can only vote in that party’s run-off. Too bad, because I bet a lot of those Dem crossovers in the 4th wish they could go back now and vote for Johnson.
By DFranklin
July 20, 2006 2:44 PM | Link to this
I crossed party lines to vote for the sleezebag Reed thinking he would be an easier target than Cagle. Wonder how many did that Debbie?
By Tony
July 20, 2006 2:49 PM | Link to this
Debbie,
How does that prove anything? How does that prove there was a huge crossover? And how does that prove that there was enough cross over to amount to this being the reason Reed lost? Debbie, take a good look at the counties Cagle won. Most of those counties are NOT huge Democratic bastions. Explain to me how Cagle even won VERY conservative counties even by margins ahead of any potential crossovers?
You see, all you have become is a Democrat from 2000. Replace Gore with Reed and you are now no different than a whiny “W stole the election” crybaby. Face up to the facts that Reed LOST it. He was his own downfall. Pride comes before a fall. I remember hearing oh Ralph has it in the bag over and over. But then look at the money. Why did it trail off this last period? Can you blame lack of fundraising on crossover? What about those endorsements? Where was W? Where was Cheney? You yourself claimed they’d be down here. Those other endorsements? Recordings on a phone? Where were the appearances weeks before the election? We saw no one after the Senate Indian Affairs report came out. Why? Democrats and gays’ fault? Make excuses and be bitter. No matter what you claim, there is a logical answer to rebut your claim.
By Howard
July 20, 2006 3:02 PM | Link to this
Cagle needs to have Reed supporters united behind him to win and that is never going to happen. The Democrats that crossed over and voted for Cagle will now desert him and vote Democrat.
A lot of christian conservatives will sit out the general election.
Cagle is doomed and he deserves what will happen.
By Howard
July 20, 2006 3:07 PM | Link to this
Cagle ran a very nasty and divisive campaign. It was not your average primary campaign. Cagle went overboard and we can send a message that this is not acceptible.
Who cares if a Democrat is Lt. Governor? There is no power with Lt. Governor anyway. Just a figurehead.
Cagle may have won the primary but he will lose the general.
By Tony
July 20, 2006 3:13 PM | Link to this
“Who cares if a Democrat is Lt. Governor? There is no power with Lt. Governor anyway. Just a figurehead.”
If that was the case, why were you Howard so personally nasty in your comments? Why were you so staunchly ‘Ralph’? Why did Ralph decide to run for a meaningless seat then? Why would he spend over half a million dollars of his own money then? If there was nothing to run for, why did you back the guy? Why did he bother?
If you can look at yourself in the mirror and honestly say Ralph ran a clean and ethical campaign, Howard you have issues. I will redirect you to all of the press releases that Ralph’s campaign put out accusing Cagle of breaking state and federal laws. If there was truth to any, why is Cagle not in jail? Why have there been no charges against him?
You don’t accuse people of breaking the law unless you back it up. Ralph dipped into sleaze-land by accusing his fellow Republican of breaking laws repeatedly. Where is the honor in that? Why is THAT not sleazy Howard? Why do you let Ralph get away with THOSE charges?
By BahamaBoy
July 20, 2006 5:30 PM | Link to this
Tony, lay off Howard. He must have a Kool-Aid hangover, and the effect is wearing off.
When I read posts/rants from the likes of Howard and Debbie, I just want to type away and answer their silly attacks. They never offer evidence or proof — just hyperbole. I have asked them repeatedly to back up their charges against Cagle, and all I get back is “900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent!”
It’s sad to think these people believe that others look to them for political analysis. I sure don’t. I’ve tried again and again to reason with them; all to no avail.
Best to let them wallow in the mire of their own making. Mix up another batch of Kool-Aid for the general election folks, and keep drinking.
By Anne
July 20, 2006 5:37 PM | Link to this
To all people I called godless as Democrats I ask your forgiveness. Please be more forgiving of me than my Chrurchladies have been who did have a big sneer Wednesday nite becuase I had a relapse of smoking and vodka. Pleese get the kind taxi cab driver to come back so I can hug him for not taking me to hug Ralph at the Intercontinental Tuesday nite. My son still will not return the keys to car until I can prove that I can behave at the Chi Phi House Party homecoming at U of Georgia.
By Tony
July 21, 2006 5:55 PM | Link to this
I see Cheney was here in GA today. I wonder why he didn’t come here earlier? After all didn’t Debbie say to expect him and some other surprises as well?
I’m just curious as to why Ralph’s loyalty and hard work were not rewarded with a visit.