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By jpetz

July 13, 2006 6:19 PM | Link to this

Nailed Reed But Good

This ad shows what Ralph Reed is all about. This guy should never have been in the race. God help Sonny Perdue should Reed actually win the primary. The rest of the country must be getting a good laugh watching all this play out. A vote for Reed is a vote for a crook.

By Betty Olson

July 13, 2006 6:23 PM | Link to this

Another liberal group attacks Reed. Why should anyone be surprised at this point? Mr. Cagle and his liberal supporters have thrown everything at him including the kitchen sink.

This has gone to far and set a new standard for low.

I could never vote for Cagle after the campaign he has run. To suggest that a Christian leader like Reed supports children in prostitution and abortion is simply preposterous.

Cagle and his cohorts have no credibility left in this campaign.

By jpetz

July 13, 2006 6:33 PM | Link to this

But Reed Did Those Things

He may not have thought out the ramifications of blocking union support in the Marrianas but the net effect of forced labor is as has been described.

BTW - liberals are not Reed’s only problem. Many conservatives have turned against him as well, including Christian Coalition groups. Stop trying to make liberals as the boogeyman. It was liberals who freed the slaves, desegregated public schools, passed the Voting Rights act, and the Civil Rights act. Perhaps you fault liberals for doing these things.

By Tony

July 13, 2006 6:49 PM | Link to this

Betty’s just another Reed supporter in denial. Hey, Betty, is it OK for Reed to make false claims that Cagle made unethical business deals? Where’s the proof? Is it OK to say Cagle said “everybody’s doing it” when Cagle never did? Is it OK to say you grew up in the N GA mountains but in your book say you didn’t? You criticise Cagle but say nothing about all of the things Reed has done. To sit there and criticise one man while condoning another man who has done inexcusable things is quite astonishing. Betty, if Cagle is low, Reed is subterranean.

By Michelle

July 13, 2006 8:08 PM | Link to this

Forget Indians and the Phillipines. The main problem with Cagle is he plotted to take your property through eminent domain seizures (SB 5) before he was against it, (which was after the Kelo decision when they found out how angry Georgians are on the subject),the low cap on medical malpractice that will net you $200 K after paying your lawyer; this cap disenfranchises every person seriously harmed by a medical professional or hospital. Also worrisome is the fact that he has sponsored special interest bills to grade close to stream beds and cover small streams and drainage ditches. 85 environmental groups advised against it. These things he has done are harmful to you and yours, not blah, blah, blah about Indian tribes and foreign islands.

I have been a Republican all my life, but those people that have been in office the past 4 years are evil.

By Tony

July 13, 2006 8:38 PM | Link to this

“but those people that have been in office the past 4 years are evil”

Oh, you mean the ones Ralph got elected? You telling me he elected us some winners?

By Political Foreskin

July 13, 2006 9:38 PM | Link to this

Vote for Ralph Reed

He had me at ‘HALO’

By Political Foreskin

July 13, 2006 9:56 PM | Link to this

Ralph Reed is the high priest of the American Taliban.

The idea of a cleric running for office is straight out of the Koran and this man need to go away and herd goats, or is that what he’s doing with his coalition?

If God talked to me every night like he does Ralph Reed, I’m sure he’d tell me to tell Ralph Reed to STFU, and to go sell earth shoes.

By Debbie

July 13, 2006 10:18 PM | Link to this

This is the same group that sends out emails to GOP activists. They have ties to Mother Jones and Air America. Both George Soros sponsored left wing groups. And yes Tony I posted information about it a while back with the email. I even questioned how a left wing group could obtain GOP activists emails.

They ran ads on Christian radio stations when Rudy Giuliani came for a fundraiser and the stations pulled the ads once they found out who the group reall was.

By debbie

July 13, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this

http://old.savannahnow.com/stories/061006/4011591.shtml

Everybody Does It Cagle: Everybody does it

Ralph Reed’s latest campaign broadside may say a lot about Casey Cagle.

Or it may merely say something about the way we do politics in Georgia.

Either way, it’s not pretty.

Reed, battling Cagle for the Republican nomination for lieutenant governor, accuses Cagle of using his state Senate perch to feather his banking nest.

Reed’s campaign says Cagle served on a banking committee, authored five bills on banking and voted 33 times on legislation affecting banking.

All the while, the campaign said, the Chestnut Mountain lawmaker served on the board or as chairman of a bank or the holding company that owned it.

Among the bills Reed says Cagle voted on were ones that let banks sell insurance, securities and corporate bonds.

Reed’s campaign cites Cagle’s official economic interest statements, which show that his bank holdings increased from $50,000 in 1998 to $450,000 at the end of 2005.

Reed campaign manager Jared Thomas noted that Cagle has said he sets “a fairly high standard” for himself.

That standard, Thomas said, “apparently includes personally benefiting from his public service.”

Cagle has denied profiting from his Senate service.

But his campaign’s response to Reed’s charges is - to say the least - interesting. While calling accusations “frivolous,” Brad Alexander, Cagle’s campaign manager, makes no attempt to refute their specifics.

Instead, Alexander essentially uses the “everybody-does-it” defense.

Alexander begins by rebutting a charge Reed didn’t actually make.

“You falsely charge that ethics rules are violated when a legislator serves on a community bank board and votes on financial services issues,” he responds.

The Reed salvo made no reference to rules violations but alluded to a smell test it says Cagle imposed on himself and then flunked.

That aside, Alexander goes on to remind Thomas “that Georgia has a citizen Legislature; farmers help set agriculture policy, doctors craft health care laws and businessmen update commercial codes.”

The alternative, which he invites Reed to propose, is a full-time “California-style” legislature.

“In reality,” Alexander argues, “that is the only way to ensure that no one who serves in the Legislature has a job outside the Legislature.”

Thomas wouldn’t take the bait.

He said Reed agrees that Georgia shouldn’t have a full-time Legislature.

“But we’re not talking about farmers writing laws about farming,” Thomas said. “This is a fellow who started a bank, got on a committee that regulated banking and had a direct impact on his bank. And he profited.”

It’s not obvious who’s right.

Cagle is correct in noting that many Georgia legislators are active on committees and in legislation affecting their businesses and professions.

Rep. Tom Bordeaux, D-Savannah, a trial lawyer, used to chair the House Judiciary Committee, which had life-and-death authority over bills affecting trial lawyers.

Reps. Ron Stephens, R-Savannah, and Buddy Carter, R-Pooler, are pharmacists and members of a pharmacy caucus active on bills involving the industry.

Carter is secretary of the Health and Human Services Committee, chaired by Sharon Cooper, R-Marietta, a medical administrator.

The list goes on.

Yet the number of Cagle fingerprints on bills regarding matters that affect his business interests seems above average.

If, as Alexander implies, it isn’t, maybe we need to rethink the way we do things in Atlanta.

Probably with good reason, almost no one wants to go the California route. And, sure, the Legislature revised ethics laws last year. But, if Cagle’s practices are indeed the norm, maybe it’s not too early to go back to the well.

Bill Bozarth, director of the Common Cause Georgia political ethics watchdogs group, thinks so.

Bozarth’s not willing to single out Cagle for condemnation.

“He’s doing what a lot of people do to some extent,” he said. “But this shows the need for requirements for people to recuse themselves on these sorts of bills. … And we need some kind of an enforcement procedure.”

In the meantime, Alexander wants us to judge Cagle by the standard of current criminal law rather than the senator’s own “fairly high” standard. Or perhaps he thinks they’re one and the same.

“If you believe …. a legislator acted in violation of the law,” he told Thomas, “… sign an actual complaint, put a stamp on it and mail it to the Attorney General.”

Thomas said Reed won’t do that.

“We’re going to pursue it, but with the voters.”

Given that we’re really talking about politics, not the law, that seems an appropriate forum.

But, whatever we think of Cagle’s conduct, Bozarth has a point.

We need to think about the bigger picture.

By Tony

July 13, 2006 10:39 PM | Link to this

Debbie again can do nothing but copy and paste someone else’s ideas. She can’t come up with an independent thought on her own. Debbie fails to mention what ethics rules or laws Cagle violated. She also fails to mention why Reed would fight against equal wages and standards that the rest of Americans live by. Instead Debbie supports Ralph’s actions of protecting abortions, slavery, prostitution, and supporting Communist Chinese companies using a loophole to manufacture “made in the USA” labeled products.

You see no where has Cagle ever said anything about “everybody’s doing it” but yet Reed keeps claiming Cagle said that. It’s clear that Reed’s ads have claims not backed up with facts. Note no sources.

What do you get with Debbie? Someone who stupidly runs off to Wikipedia to make a claim to attack a devout Christian responsible for putting faith based initiatives on the map. Dumb Debbie reads one paragraph about this guy being an atheist in the 70’s and then attacks him for being a godless liberal. Nevermind that the rest of the link she posted shows the guy has ties to the evangelical community and has been the leading force promoting faith based initiatives through W and the White House.

With GReed you get someone who will always take up a cause for the money and never bother to see what damage his work actually does. Thanks to him, Indians have their healthcare taken away, school funds removed, sweat shops remain open, children sold into prostitution, forced abortions continue, and Communist Chinese companies using the Mariana Island to exploit workers and falsely make American products.

Ralph GReed….the best Lt. Governor money can buy!

By Debbie

July 13, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this

I simply included the link so you could see where the eveybody does it comes from.

Getting upset Tony because you know that Reed will win?

Activists all over are upset about the ads. Who in their right mind would believe Ralph Reed or any Republican would support slave labor or forced abortions? Cagle thinks the GOP voters are stupid.

By debbie

July 13, 2006 10:58 PM | Link to this

Have you seen the ads being run by David Donelly. Man, Cagle is in cahoots with left wing groups sponsored by George Soros… When you click on the David Donelly name this email address pops up. info@pcactionfund.org

Domain ID: D98309416-LROR Domain Name: PCACTIONFUND.ORG Created On: 02-Jul-2003 16: 50: 21 UTC Last Updated On: 04-Apr-2006 00: 04: 08 UTC Expiration Date: 02-Jul-2007 16: 50: 21 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: Go Daddy Software Inc. (R91-LROR) Status: CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED Status: CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Status: CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED Status: TRANSFER PROHIBITED Registrant ID: GODA-018567623 Registrant Name: Nick Nyhart Registrant Organization: Public Campaign — refered to your company by rick Registrant Street1: 1320 - 19th Street NW Suite M-1 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Washington Registrant State/Province: District of Columbia

http://www.motherjones.com/radio/2005/12/nyhart_bio.html

Evie46 wrote:

——-Original Message——-

From: David Donnelly, Public Campaign Action Fund Date: 05/17/06 15:15:04 To: Subject: Hard-Hitting Ad Targets Ralph Reed’s Hypocrisy

By debbie

July 13, 2006 10:59 PM | Link to this

Have you seen the ads being run by David Donelly. Man, Cagle is in cahoots with left wing groups sponsored by George Soros… When you click on the David Donelly name this email address pops up. info@pcactionfund.org

Domain ID: D98309416-LROR Domain Name: PCACTIONFUND.ORG Created On: 02-Jul-2003 16: 50: 21 UTC Last Updated On: 04-Apr-2006 00: 04: 08 UTC Expiration Date: 02-Jul-2007 16: 50: 21 UTC Sponsoring Registrar: Go Daddy Software Inc. (R91-LROR) Status: CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED Status: CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Status: CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED Status: TRANSFER PROHIBITED Registrant ID: GODA-018567623 Registrant Name: Nick Nyhart Registrant Organization: Public Campaign — refered to your company by rick Registrant Street1: 1320 - 19th Street NW Suite M-1 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Washington Registrant State/Province: District of Columbia

http://www.motherjones.com/radio/2005/12/nyhart_bio.html

Evie46 wrote:

——-Original Message——-

From: David Donnelly, Public Campaign Action Fund Date: 05/17/06 15:15:04 To: Subject: Hard-Hitting Ad Targets Ralph Reed’s Hypocrisy

By Tony

July 13, 2006 11:21 PM | Link to this

No Debbie, Cagle knows voters deserve the truth. Since Ralph can’t tell the truth someone has to. Debbie you can claim activists are upset and claim Ralph would never support those issues. But look at the actual cause. These children had a chance to be protected by law. Women had a chance to be protected from forced abortions and prostitution. Ralph and Tom DeLay along with the rest of the Scotland cabal made sure that Communist Chinese could continue to import slave labor for cheap products and prostitution.

The sad thing is that all Ralph had to do is go to the islands and see what he was buying into. he could have easily found out the evils he eventually condoned and ultimately protected. Instead, he stayed in his cozy gated community soaking up the millions while women continued to have abortions forced on them as they were forced into prostitution. And children were forced into slave labor conditions.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 12:05 AM | Link to this

Debbie it is clear by your response and GReed’s rebuttal that HE has no clue what the bill was he was hired to squelch.

Have you even read the bill? This bill would have required Customs inspections on containers coming into the islands. Without this bill containers could come in even from Communist China bringing in who knows what. That’s quite a loophole to bring something into US territory without checking it. Sounds shady and a good way to sneak Chinese agents or even terrorists into the country.

This bill would have also tightened the immigration and immigration standards here. Communist Chinese leaders were rounding up CHinese and Filipino indentured servants (and you thought that was only in colonial America) and bringing them into Saipan to work the sweat shops.

It would have required the US government investigate the human and civil rights issues clouding the islands. In other words, there was already a question that there were abuses but this would require investigations into what we now know is prostitution, forced abortions, and slavery.

So in other words, these people would have been held to the same standard of rights and protections OTHER immigrants ‘legally’ brought in face. It would have cut down on this immigration loophole that allowed slaves to be brought in.

You see Ralph only saw money. He was brought in to aid the Islands government who raked in local profits. He wasn’t brought in by conservatives, Christians, or the Republican Party. He was brought in to help the crooked politicians who were benefitting from this evil.

So no matter how GReed chooses to defend or spin this, he worked for the ones keeping this behavior going. Reed never bothered to check. He jumps right on a cause and never bothers to check the details. This is a repeated pattern for him. DO we really want someone either that corrupt or that stupid making decisions for our state?

By Political Foreskin

July 14, 2006 6:17 AM | Link to this

Ralph Reed is the high priest of the American Taliban

Ralph Reed is like an imam, or a caliph, or a mullah in the bizarro world if our Muslim friends are our own reflection.

VOTE FOR RALPH REED

HE HAD ME AT ‘HALO’

By Debbie

July 14, 2006 7:34 AM | Link to this

Cagle is treating GOP voters like they are stupid. Who really believes Ralph Reed or any Republican would support forced abortions or slave labor? Casey Cagle lies and distorts the truth.

Now GOP Gov. Bob Riley of Alabama was against that bill. Bill Clinton and big labor were in favor of that bill. Reagan had opposed making similar changes during his administration.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 8:22 AM | Link to this

Reagan also granted amnesty to millions of immigrants. Does Ralph support Reagan on that?

Debbie since you’re so plugged in give us a good explanation as to why would Ralph be hired to convince Riley to oppose the bill if he was already opposed to the bill? Just why was Ralph hired to convince JUST ONE Congressman to oppose the bill? Why only focus on Riley? And why focus on someone who was opposed to it?

Debbie, just read the bill and see what it would have done. It would have brought the Islands to the same standards in the workplace as the rest of the US. Something wrong with allowing for minimum wage? Something wrong with investigating forced abortions, slavery and prostitution? Something wrong with curbing a HUGE loophole in immigration? Something wrong with inspecting cargo containers coming into the US? Because especially since 9/11 a good bit of that bill has been pushed by the GOP in Congress. So I guess all of the GOP Congress is siding with Clinton?

By Debbie

July 14, 2006 8:50 AM | Link to this

Reed was not bought in to convince Riley.He was working WITH Riley.

The bottom line is Tony, you don’t care about the truth. You are so full of hate against Reed, he could be perfect and you would still be against him. You hate Christians period. I have seen it in your postings. You are a lost cause…

By Political Foreskin

July 14, 2006 9:02 AM | Link to this

Debbie, do you want a radical Shia Muslim running for Lt Governor? We have to share the planet with other religions. We have to keep religion out of government. You are a threat to our liberties, and you need to give to caesar what is caesar’s and give to your god what is your god’s.

The world really is divided between the haves and the half wits.

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 9:14 AM | Link to this

Debbie says: “Reed was not bought in to convince Riley.He was working WITH Riley.”

Wrong again, Debbie. Reed was working WITH Jack Abramoff. He was paid more than a million dollars to wage a campaign to defeat legislation extending some U.S. labor laws to the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands. Riley voted against the bill and needed some political cover. Reed ginned up the mailing and calls into Alabama at Abramoff’s request. Note that Michael Scanlon, Abramoff’s partner in crime and convicted felon, was formerly Riley’s press secretary. Scanlon filtered more than $500,000 to Riley’s campaign for governor through a phony nonprofit he created and controlled.

Sound familiar? It should because its the standard M.O. for Reed, Scanlon and Abramoff. Just because the other two are going to prison doesn’t mean Ralph is blameless. Investigators haven’t finished their investigation of him. But I expect him to be indicted and end up in the slammer with his cronies.

Deal with it Debbie.

900 percent! 900 percent! 900 percent!

By Tony

July 14, 2006 9:32 AM | Link to this

Thank you! So Debbie, do you care to change your story? Are you drinking the Kool Aid and believing the spin?

I mean feel free to ‘set the record straight’ here. Any reason why he only focused on AL and Riley? Was THIS a shakedown or some sort of laundering operation we have yet to uncover?

In August 1999, political organizer Ralph Reed’s firm sent out a mailer to Alabama conservative Christians asking them to call then-Rep. Bob Riley (R-Ala.) and tell him to vote against legislation that would have made the U.S. commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands subject to federal wage and worker safety laws.

Washington Post, May 29, 2006

Cagle launched a new offensive on Sunday, claiming a Reed firm in 1999 sent mailers to conservative Alabama voters decrying legislation that would have made the Northern Mariana Islands subject to federal wage and worker safety laws.

AccessNorthGA, July 14, 2006

By Tony

July 14, 2006 9:42 AM | Link to this

Debbie can you clarify which Reed supporter said the following:

“The only reason you have no choice but to trash Ralph is that your client is an empty suit. No education, no accomplishments, no leadership.�

So just because you don’t have a college degree, does that mean you have no education? Buying a business at 20 and running it only to sell it and make a good amount of money off of it is not an accomplishment? Living in a single parent home and getting to where he is today is not an accomplishment?

That is an insult to everyone who is making money and is successful without a college degree. This is an insult to single parents, epecially single moms out there. Reed supporters talk about family values and Christian values but they have the nerve to insult someone who actually came from a humble background and achieved great things. I despise evil hypocrites like you and the rest of the GReed sleaze that makes such comments. You have NO care on family values. You have NO care of Christian values. All you can do is insult and degrade ANYONE who disagrees with you and your types or stands in your way. If this is Ralph’s filth and base, THIS is why I speak out against him. He is an insult to my faith, beliefs, and God. Even if that filth wins on Tuesday, God will give him only a season. I will do what I can to make sure people around me see this coward for who he is.

By Debbie

July 14, 2006 9:42 AM | Link to this

No brainer, Riley was trying to genarate phone calls and emails that he could point to and say I have received x number from voters against this bill. You can not be that politically naive…

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 9:56 AM | Link to this

Debbie does it again. She says: “Riley was trying to genarate phone calls and emails that he could point to and say I have received x number from voters against this bill.”

Yeah Debbie, after the fact. Riley took some heat so he needed cover. Voters in Alabama didn’t tell him to oppose the bill before he voted against it. They did so after Reed provided him the cover he needed for his political hide.

The Truth Squad is out in force today, Debbie. You’ll have to work extra hard.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

So this whole operation was a fluffed up constituent scam? What a joke! So GReed profitted from creating an illusion that AL was against this? They took a chunk of taxpayers’ money from one place to make it look like another set of taxpayers were against this bill?

Debbie you have just admitted that instead of voting the way the people asked him to Riley had to work backwards and defend his already bought vote and make it look like he had a groundswell of support already.

So this whole operation basically scammed a vote in the People’s House. And for such a noble cause as well. How many abortions have been performed thanks to this? How many more children were brought over and forced to work in sweat shops and as prostitutes?

“Riley was trying to genarate phone calls and emails that he could point to and say I have received x number from voters against this bill”

OR

Riley was already going to vote against a bill and needed political cover to explain WHY he voted against it. He couldn’t give a good enough reason so he needed GReed and Abramoff to create this false ‘cause’ to protect a crooked island government wanting to ensure Chinese Communists were benefitting from slave labor and prostitution.

And what of those Bibles? My guess is that those millions GReed raked in were not used to buy Bibles to give to those Chinese as they went home. My guess is that GReed never bothered to ensure that every Chinese returning home actually took the Gospel with them. GReed was satisfied with the paycheck and ran leaving an island of immigrants to continue to live in squalor, slavery, and sweat shop working conditions.

So noble to say your cause is doing something but fail to ensure that is actually happening.

Had Ralph read the bill he was working to kill, he’d have seen where there was a question of working conditions and human rights violations. Ralph didn’t bother to check.

To quote the Steve Miller Band “Go on take the money and run”….GReed’s campaign theme song.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

GReed is only proving himself one big scam artist. He ‘believes’ in a cause but 1)doesn’t thoroughly investigate it and 2)doesn’t follow up with making sure his message of the cause is lived up to. All he does is deliver the goods and collect the paycheck. He’s left a path of destruction in many people’s lives with the work he’s done.

As far as the Indian tribe whose casino he killed, he never bothered to make sure they had another source of revenue to replace the casino used to fund schools, roads, healthcare, etc. The Indians used the money to fund the things that helped their own way of life. They didn’t ask for handouts. They created their own business to provide their own better way of life. Ralph killed that. He killed capitalism. And he killed better schools, roads, and healthcare among that tribe. He can say “I stopped evil gambling!” but he forgets that he stopped much greater things as well. But who cares right? He got paid. he can live in his nice country club gated community and drive fast cars and fly private jets and eat at fine dining establishments while Chinese immigrants are forced to work for sweat shops in horrible conditions with low wages, forced prostitution, forced abortion, etc. He can enjoy all those things while Indians now have defunded schools, degrading roads, and no healthcare.

You see GReed says the Lotto in GA is settled therefore he won’t touch it. Well the casino he helped shut down was settled as well. But that didn’t stop him did it? Give GReed a few million and damn the principles right?

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

Today’s story about out-of-state homeschooled kids being bussed in to help the flailing Reed campaign includes this tidbit:

“The Reed campaign is picking up their hotel bills and feeding them, at a cost of about $250 per student per day.

Workdays extend from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Sunday is reserved for church and ultimate Frisbee. Rules are strict. In hotel rooms, the TV is disconnected, though the kids are permitted to watch CNN in the lobby.”

Gee. Twelve-hour work days? No TV? Sounds like work conditions for kids in the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

BahamaBoy…you beat me to it. I was getting ready to say GReed is carrying over the sweat shop working conditions to his own campaign. I wonder what federal and state laws say about that?

By Tony

July 14, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

If you’re undecided or teetering, here’s some food for thought. You’ve probably seen the ads on TV between Cagle and Reed. Some may wonder who is telling the truth. Well an independent non partisan third party out there has taken the time to become a political fact checker. Let’s look at what THEY have to say about these ads:

FactCheck.org

By fred

July 14, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

An independent fact checker that reviews political ads to determine who is lying and who is telling the truth in their ads has looked at the Reed and Cagle ads for truth and has found that Cagle’s adds are truthful, but that Reed’s are not. You can take a look at www.factcheck.org Sort of goes to show what we are dealing with here.

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

FactCheck.org? Librel scum media! Damn Yankees from up in Pencilvainya. Bunch a lyin heathen!

Wouldn’t trust em no ways.

By gdawginkalamazoo

July 14, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

Debbie,

I even questioned how a left wing group could obtain GOP activists emails.

Ralph sold them to them.

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Waffle House has sent out a memo to all locations advising that only Ralph Reed signs will be allowed on premises.

Fine. I’m boycotting Waffle House and will get my eggs elsewhere.

By debbie

July 14, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/luskin200501250808.asp

Fact check got this wrong

By Debbie

July 14, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Fact check got this wrong:

http://markschmitt.typepad.com/decembrist/2005/08/factcheckorg_st.html

http://parablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2005/09/recent_factchec.html

By debbie

July 14, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib200

http://qando.net/archives/003752.htm

By debbie

July 14, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib200

http://qando.net/archives/003752.htm

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Debbie, what did FactCheck get worng about its analysis on Reeds TV ads?

Quit posting all these other whiners and point out the inaccuracies in the piece that looked at your candidate’s ads and found them false and misleading.

By debbie

July 14, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Factcheck has been wrong many, many times and are now.

Voters need to ask themselves why left wing groups and gays are crossing over and voting for Casey Cagle against Ralph Reed. It is because Ralph is a threat to their liberal ideology and Cagle is not. Cagle could not even stand up to Mark Taylor or Roy Barnes… What a pathetic wuss Cagle is..

By Tony

July 14, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Funny how Debbie slams liberals ‘allied’ with Cagle but has no qualms about quoting liberals to rebutt her arguments. Debbie, you find a lot of free time trolling gay and liberal sites to back up your claims. Are conservatives supposed to be convinced by your references to liberal links?

And to anyone else, note Debbie does not argue the points against Ralph FactCheck.org brings up. She merely mentions a few articles (most liberal) that try to discredit a university’s effort to bring truth to the table.

“Don’t deny! Just lie!” It is better to make the other guy out to be a liar than prove you are not a liar.

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

See Debbie? All you can spout off is “Factcheck has been wrong many, many times and are now.”

But you offer not one shred, not a scintilla of evidence to support your claim that FactCheck is wrong about Reed’s ads. Pathetic wuss, indeed!

We offer you evidence and all you offer back is smoke and mirrors. Face it, Debbie, the little emperor has no clothes.

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Got your back, Tony.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

Answer the simple question Debbie. How are they wrong about Reed now?

Pathetic wuss? Try selling out his own clients, Christians, and conservatives. If you sell out Christians, who WON’T you sell out?

Debbie you also say FactCheck.org got it wrong. I seem to recall you getting Olasky wrong and Wikipedia wrong. Stupid mistake on your part. It’s knee-jerk reaction. You and GReed seem to go run after something but not bother to follow through and check the whole story.

Let’s see…if Ralph wins, he brings in his laundering dummy corps and non-profits hiding in a desk drawer and makes millions off the people of GA.

Will Ralph pledge to cease ALL activities, consulting, and lobbying while in office? I mean after all we wouldn’t want him to be like Cagle and use his elected office to benefit him in the private sector. Will Ralph pledge to NOT do ANY consulting at all on ANY affairs relating to Georgia, Georgian companies, or Georgian clients in any way shape or form while in office?

By fastfoodrocks

July 14, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Someone just emailed me that Waffle House had come out for Reed and that they were allowing Reed campaign signs at their locations.

Waffle House rocks!

By Tony

July 14, 2006 1:03 PM | Link to this

A classy joint where employees poison the customers. That place gives me the same result as when I see Ralph on TV. Waffle House and Ralph-ing…..two terms that are synonymous. I would say another term over “Ralph-ing” but there are children present.

By Chuck

July 14, 2006 1:09 PM | Link to this

Hey, before everyone like Michelle goes crazy trying to bust Casey Cagle for his initial endorsement of SB 5, let’s not forget that it was a bill introduced for the 2005 Session of the General Assembly by Sen. Dan Moody, Republican,of the 56th Senate District, with the blessing of the Republican leadership and most of the Republican Senate members and Gov. Perdue. It was after the Kelo decision when everyone including the Guv and Senate and House Republican leadership suddenly did this 180 degree and “got religion” about eminent domain. That turn arounf occurred only because of Neal Boortz, whom we all should thank. He’s the one who called attention to the evils proposed under SB 5.

Michelle and all the rest of you Cagle bashers, why aren’t you going after all the other Senate Republicans and the Guv who supported SB 5?

And Debbie (and debbie), no matter how you try to cut it, Ralph knew what kind of clients his long-time buddy Abramoff had. He reprsented casinos — people who made money from gambling, the vice Ralph pretends to be against. For him to try to sell this idea that he had been told that the money he was being paid came from nongambling sources is the stuff of fairy tales. It’s the kind of line you try to sell to suckers. When you lie with a dog, you’re going to get fleas.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 1:43 PM | Link to this

The more I think about this Waffle House endorsement, the more I recall a previous post of mine that said Ralph’s home should be called Waffle House. After all what better description of Greed is there than one of waffling on morals, abortion, ethics, immigration, etc. You see his words and his actions just don’t match. He preaches one thing but practices another.

So Ralph, here’s to you….one large waffle in honor of your many flops and waffling positions my friend. May your future be scattered, smothered, covered, and chunked with the lies you’ve told and the deceptions you’ve done. May Bert’s Chili be forever embedded in the desk drawers of your dummy non-profits. May the lard of the griddle forever coat the slimy deals you’ve orchestrated with the likes of Scanlon, Ney, Volz, Abramoff, DeLay, etc.

Mmmmm…mmmmm….good!

By Debbie

July 14, 2006 1:52 PM | Link to this

Cagle should remember that. Right now he is laying down with George Soros, left wingers, atheists and some gays. Georgia Equality is urging gays not to cross over, but some with Southern Voice are.

By Debbie

July 14, 2006 1:59 PM | Link to this

How were the ads wrong? How were they right? Ralph DID NOT sell out Christians as alleged by cave in Cagle. The Alabama Christian Coalition sent a letter praising Reed and his work.

www.reedfacts.com

If Reed had taken money to help open casinos he then would have betrayed Christians and his principles.

Reed does not support forced abortions or slave labor. If you say Reed does then you could say Ronald Reagan did because he and Reed had the same position. U.S. Labor Laws should not apply to the Mariannas.

Cagle lied about Reed committing a crime and being arrested. The Senate Report cleared Reed on wrong doing.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 2:01 PM | Link to this

And GReed is laying down with Chinese Communists, pimps, abortionists, sweatshop owners, casinos, and tons of DC special interests.

Some with the Southern Voice? Like two writers? Wow Debbie. Sounds like a massive drive to get the gays (assuming all are ‘liberal’) to cross over. When the leading gay rights organization in GA is telling gays to vote Dem, I’d say your theory holds up as much as saying Olasky is a godless liberal.

By fred

July 14, 2006 2:04 PM | Link to this

Debbie, Casey Cagle’s support comes from Georgia conservatives - look at his campaign disclosure report. Then look at Reed’s - his money (support) other than his $500k loan, largely comes from out of state interests and a large donors in Atlanta. Casey has outraised Ralph in Georgia by a long shot. Cagle’s support is the small business community, local community leaders, Christians appalled by Ralph Reed’s conduct, and those familiar with Georgia’s government and the good work Cagle has done for the state. Ralph’s support seems to be a portion of the old Christian Coaltion, which has been fractured over his conduct, and some of the big money boys in Atlanta that want to keep the Republican party in the State under their control. That doesn’t seem to be quite as broad a support base as Cagle’s. Couple that with the fact that Cagle has been endorsed by hundreds of elected officials across the state, and I think he has the edge on this.

By gdawginkalamazoo

July 14, 2006 3:13 PM | Link to this

If Reed had taken money to help open casinos he then would have betrayed Christians and his principles

OKAY!

Only one way he could not have betrayed his principles in this case…… he didn’t have any to begin with.

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 4:15 PM | Link to this

Had to catch up on some things, so I missed you guys for a while. Thanks for keeping Debbie on her toes, Tony.

Debbie has been asked, repeatedly, over and over, again and again, ad nauseum to explain exactly how the FactCheck piece of Reed’s false and misleading ads in incorrect. Here’s what she came up with:

Debbie, is that the best you can do? Okay, let’s take them one by one.

—- Ralph DID NOT sell out Christians as alleged by cave in Cagle.

Yes, actually Reed did sell them out, and to the highest bidder — Abramoff. Reed has used his Christian mailing list over and over again in every piece of work he’s done since leaving the Christian Coalition in 1997. Come to think of it, there was an allegation at that time that Reed had let an outside vendor use the CC mailing list for unrelated matters and revenues. CC eventually sued the vendor and the whole mess was swept under the rug. Did Reed leave with a copy of CC’s list? Well, tell me this, Debbie: How else did he get his consulting firm up and off the ground? Where did he get those names? And over the years those lists have been used by Microsoft, Enron, eLottery, Northern Mariana Islands, and too many Indian tribes to keep up with. We’ll just let those Christians answer whether they believe Reed sold them out.

As for the Alabama Christian Coalition sending a letter praising Reed and his work, I can only imagine what he had do or who he had to pay off to get that letter sent. But since it’s a year old and written before the entire story of Abramoff-Reed-Scanlon came out, I’ll wait on this one until I see an updated resolution passed by the board of directors of the Alabama CC. Can you get them to send us one, Debbie?

—-If Reed had taken money to help open casinos he then would have betrayed Christians and his principles.

Couldn’t agree with you more, Debbie, because that is EXACTLY what Reed did —“betrayed Christians and his principles.” Notice I did not say he betrayed his “principals” who at the time were Abramoff and Scanlon. The Christians who were cynically employed in the Reed-Abramoff lobbying scandals wouldn’t answer Reed’s calls now if his life depended on it. That’s why he had to bus in home school children from 10 states and pay them $20 per hour to work 12-hour days schilling for his doomed candidacy.

Only two more to go …

—-Reed does not support forced abortions or slave labor. If you say Reed does then you could say Ronald Reagan did because he and Reed had the same position. U.S. Labor Laws should not apply to the Marianas.

I could say a lot of things, Debbie, but on this one I think the evidence is pretty clear that anyone who wanted to see the truth at the time could have. Ronald Reagan was at home with Nancy in his final years, so let’s leave him out of it. I’m sure he would appreciate it.

The bad guys hired Abramoff to kill congressional proposals that would have placed stricter labor standards on the Islands. Honest people can disagree about whether those stricter standards should have been adopted, but honest people cannot disagree with the conclusions that were published in an Interior Dept. report on the poor labor conditions and reported on by ABC News’ Brain Ross in 1998. Reed simply chose to take the money from Abramoff and get the job done.

Now I have no qualms about a lobbyist being hired to do a job and getting paid for it. It’s just like a defense attorney being hired to defend an indicted criminal. In our system, we are all entitled to the best representation money can buy. But let’s be honest about it and not say “I didn’t know they were doing forced abortions or using children as prostitutes.” Those facts, while uncomfortable, were all part of the debate, and an expert like Reed surely would have read up on the issues before crafting his mailing and phone scripts. Fair enough?

Only one more …

—-Cagle lied about Reed committing a crime and being arrested. The Senate Report cleared Reed on wrong doing.

That’s a two-parter, Debbie. No fair! First of all, Cagle didn’t say Reed committed a crime; he said he probably did, and that’s what a lot of people around here think. Wednesday’s federal lawsuit against Reed and Abramoff will shed some more light on this. One of the tribe’s attorney’s used to be chief of staff to then-Texas Attorney General John Cornyn. You will recall that the only reason Reed wasn’t indicted in Texas last year was because the statute of limitations had run on the misdemeanor crime of failng to register as a lobbyist. And there was plenty of evidence that Reed was, in fact, acting as a lobbyist. But he didn’t want to register as one because then his Christian patsies, I mean colleagues, would have seen who was bankrolling the effort — the Louisiana Indian tribe. He bragged in emails to Abramoff about his lobbying efforts with Cornyn’s office over and over. Now, Cornyn says he doesn’t remember anything about Reed lobbying him. And Cornyn’s former chief of staff is suing Reed on behalf of the Texas tribe that suffered defeat at his hands?

The crime was failure to register as a lobbyist, Debbie. So there. The fact he wasn’t indicted was due to a little technicality we call the statute of limitations. Funny how some observers complain when criminals get off on legal technicalities until it works for them.

Secondly, I’ve read the Senate report and it does NOT clear Reed of anything. It was aimed at Abramoff and Scanlon, who are both now convicted felons. Reed’s dealings have been turned over to other committees and the Internal Revenue Service for further investigation. He isn’t out-of-the-woods yet! It will be very difficult for Reed to preside over the Georgia Senate from a cell in a minimum security federal prison.

Your turn, now. Got anymore “evidence” that FactCheck got it all wrong about Reed?

By Tony

July 14, 2006 5:28 PM | Link to this

Ahhh…beautiful. A masterpiece. But even with that Debbie will make vain attempts to punch holes in all of this.

By Howard

July 14, 2006 5:30 PM | Link to this

Bahama Boy/ Cagle staffer, You are condeming Reed for taking the same positon on the Mariannas that Ronald Reagan did. How can you sit with a straight face and blast Reed but not Reagan? I can see why you would want to keep Reagan out of it. Everyone knows Reagan always towed the conservative line and the bottom line is if Reagan had the position as Reed then agree with Reed. Period. Typical Cagle bs trying to twist facts.

As far as Texas check out www.reedfacts.com

By Debbie

July 14, 2006 5:39 PM | Link to this

Bahama Boy, you said that that Senate Report was aimed at Abramoff and Scanlon. That means the Senate Committee Investigation was also aimed at Abramoff and Scanlon not Reed. That means your boss Cagle lied in his ads and emails when he said Reed was a TARGET of a Senate Committee Criminal Investigation.

Now which is it? Was Reed a target of the investigation and was cleared by the report or did Your boss Cagle lie about it in his ads?

By Tony

July 14, 2006 6:04 PM | Link to this

Debbie,

Again, YOU and YOUR BOSS have no room to accuse ANYONE of lying. You and GReed can’t even refute everything proving all sorts of shady and unethical behavior. Debbie, you can’t even rebutt without making yourself look like an idiot. Just remember calling a devout Christian and a evangelical leader and a leading force in the faith based movement a godless liberal.

When you can make a credible statement that doesn’t lie, dodge, or cover up, I’ll take your accusation of someone else being a liar.

Keep supporting the abortion, prostitution, and slavery cause. You’re doing a good job.

By Tony

July 14, 2006 6:07 PM | Link to this

Howard,

I never knew Reagan was President when this bill went through Congress. Am I missing something? How did Reagan take this same position? Reagan also granted amnesty for illegals. Reed came out and said he agreed but now for some reason is saying he is for tighter controls. Funny, he’d rather have Chinese Communists pouring into Marianas leading sweatshops, abortion, and prostitution. Fitting that his signs are up in Waffle House. We all know he’s waffled on not only the issues, but ethics and morals as well.

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 6:08 PM | Link to this

Gosh, Debbie. You make it too easy.

Let’s take them one by one.

First you say I am “condeming [sic] Reed for taking the same positon [sic] on the Mariannas [sic] that Ronald Reagan did. How can you sit with a straight face and blast Reed but not Reagan?

Uh … because Reagan was not involved in the Marianas debate in the late 1990s? He left office in 1990. Remember? So it’s ludicrous to try and drag in another Republic icon into this mess when he obviously wasn’t backing Reed’s efforts to prevent stricter labor laws being forced on the Northern Mariana Islands. Next, you’ll tell me Richard Nixon supports Reed too!

Your second comment about the Senate Report being aimed at Abramoff and Scanlon and NOT Reed is incorrect. The investigation was looking into the payment of huge lobbying fees to Abramoff’s and Scanlon’s firms. Reed was a subcontractor to Abramoff and Scanlon so, technically, he wasn’t a direct target of the committee’s investigation. But to claim that Reed is somehow exonerated by the findings in the report is ludicrous. He is tarred and feathered throughout, which explains why he has ducked press interviews for more than six months now. How does he seriously expect to “lead Georgia� if he is afraid to hold a press conference? Heck, even George W. has to go before the news cameras every once in a while, no matter how unpleasant it is for him. So should your man, Debbie.

So the truth is Cagle didn’t “lie[d] in his ads and emails when he said Reed was a TARGET of a Senate Committee Criminal Investigation.� Reed caught plenty of shot in that report, so he must have been very close to the TARGET!

Reed will have plenty to account for when the other committees finish their work on his use of real and phony nonprofits to funnel Indian money to his private accounts to conceal his funding from unsuspecting Christians. And the federal lawsuit filed last week by one of the tribes will keep him occupied as well. As I’ve said before: Reed isn’t out of the woods yet.

By BahamaBoy

July 14, 2006 6:24 PM | Link to this

Updated info on Ralph Reed and his involvement with the Marianas Islands deal.

It links to a 32-page report in .pdf format that completely details the complicated and twisted dealings Reed had on behalf of lobbyists supporting a regime that condoned forced abortions and child prostitution. The evidence is compelling and complete.

www.dontgambleonralph.com