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Betting beers on November
Citified types give Perdue, Cagle a wide edge; Democrat Hecht nearly matches Reed
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
‘Tis the season to gather in Savannah for conventions. Without Mark Taylor.
It’s the turn of the Georgia Municipal Association this week. And as is standard, in preparation for the gathering, the organization polled its membership of mayors and city council types about major political races. Responses came from 331 members, about 21 percent.
Does it matter? Not that much. But it’s clear, and possibly important, that GMA members are less impressed with the Democratic candidates for governor than they were last year. In 2005, Sonny Perdue barely edged out Cathy Cox. Mark Taylor came in third.
Here’s how things stand now — and remember that members aren’t asked who they support. The question is who will win:
Perdue: 72 percent; Cox: 14.8 percent; Taylor: 10.6 percent; and Don’t Know: 2.6 percent.
“City officials predicted that Sonny Perdue would defeat Roy Barnes in 2002, so maybe they’re on to something again this year with the margin of victory for him,” said GMA executive director Jim Higdon in the formal press release.
The GMA also asked members to forecast the November race for lieutenant governor. Confidence isn’t high, if “don’t know” is any measure. Here’s the bottom line:
Casey Cagle (R): 43.4 percent; Don’t Know: 32.8 percent; Ralph Reed (R): 9 percent; Greg Hecht (D): 8 percent; Jim Martin (D): 6.1 percent; and Steen Miles (D): .6 percent



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Comments
By Republican
June 21, 2006 07:37 AM | Link to this
Remember this GMA poll is the only one that predicted Perdue would beat Barnes. These folks know politics, and they are convinced Cagle is going to win. Go Casey!
By Tater Tate
June 21, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this
It only stands to reason that these “insiders” would pick one of their own—Cagle—who they trust to represent their interests. Keep in mind these are the citiy leaders who are more interested in annexation and their little fiefdoms than anything else. And also keep in mind that these are the people who did not want strong legislation on eminent domain that might lessen their powers to take our property.
Come to think of it, that’s the vote Cagle walked off the floor on and missed (SB 86). Now I guess we know why the GMA and city leaders want Cagle. He is just like them.
By bubba
June 21, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
Tater Tate, Outstanding simply outstanding. So a rhetorical blowhard like Ralph is the saviour of Georgia. His commrades are either under indictment, in jail, convicted and waiting for sentencing or have taken the fifth.
I have more confidence is someone who is making things happen for the good of the populace than one who lines his pockets with money of hardworking people. Ralph’s a joke, but a sad one.
By bubba
June 21, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Oh and by the way Tater? Who is Robert Randolph?
By Tony
June 21, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
Tater is delusional. He says this is about city leaders protecting and supporting their own. Tater, take some time and look at those attending Ralph’s sealed to the outside world fundraisers. Check his contributors…lotta big money in there. Check his finance committee and honorary chairmen. I’d say Ralphie supporters have NO room saying Cagle is big city guy. Check where Ralphie lives. Big city gated country club living the DC lobbyist life going to what was that Scotland with the other deadbeats and felons? I bet Ralph’s never worked an honest day’s labor in a shop or field in his life. Pot calling the kettle black there Tater.
By Darrell
June 21, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
My! my! All of this venom directed at the man who has done more to get Republicans elected in Ga than anyone else in recent history. He provided training for the grassroots and accomplished what he said he would do. Motivated the Christian Coalition to help bring about the 94 revolution. As state GOP chair he delivered on his promise to elect the first Republican Gov.in modern times, a US Senator, Organized and delivered the Southeast for Bush in 04. Yep! that’s a real scum for you! At least to all of you Democrats, Christian Haters and all you ungrateful Republicans who don’t remember who paved the road your sorry butts are running on today! Oh yeah, It seems to me politics is supposed to be about finding and supporting people who you agree with; have the same beliefs or as close as you can get. Especially in the primary. A lot of venom being vented here! Afraid of someone who actually does what he says he will do? Then don’t vote for Ralph, because he has a proven track record of doing just that.
By Tony
June 21, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
LOL! Darrell, you’re a riot. You’re telling me that Ralph pulled all that off himself? From many of those formerly employed by him and volunteering for him during his reign, they all tell me Ralph had very little to do with any of that. Ralph had as much to do with any of that as I did. If you honestly believe Ralph is responsible for that then you deserve the man. There already was a majority and it merely built off of what was there. All Ralph can ever do is ride on the coattails of others. If they win, he gets the glory and if they lose and go to jail, he still manages to squeak by. Classic. Darrel would support a clown of a businessman who hangs out with some real winners and pretends he knows nothing about the millions of dollars passing through his company. Again, he’s either a liar or an idiot businessman.
By Debbie
June 21, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Cagle Profited From Public Service, Contributed to Democrats, Admits He Violated State Ethics Laws
On the campaign trail, Cagle claims a “fairly high standard” for himself. But his actions reveal a different standard of “everybody does it.”
Cagle Claims Moral High Ground. Cagle says he sets a “fairly high standard” for himself. (Atlanta Journal Constitution, November 20, 2005) He told voters, “I believe that we have a moral obligation to lead by example.” (Christian Coalition of Georgia, Lt. Governor Forum, January 21, 2006)
But Cagle Voted 33 times on Bills Benefiting Banks, Including His Own. Cagle was appointed to the Senate Banking Committee the same month he opened a bank. He had no previous experience in banking or financial services; his prior employment was ownership of a tuxedo rental store. (Atlanta Journal-Constitution, June 18, 2006) Between 1999 and 2006, Cagle sponsored or cosponsored five bills and voted 33 times on legislation that significantly affected banking while serving as chairman of the Southern Heritage Bank or a director of the bank holding company that acquired it, GB&T Bancshares. (Senate Vote 27, SB 19, 2-2-99; S.V. 227, SB 230, 3-9-99; S.V. 475, 3-24-99; S.V. 264, SR 241, 3-15-99; S.V. 269, HB 297, 3-15-99; S.V. 918, HB 1231, 3-13-00 ; S.V. 717, HB 272, 2-23-00; S.V. 1048, HB 656, 3-16-00; S.V. 922, HB 1364, 3-13-00; S.V.1069, HB 1257, 3-20-00; S.V. 177, SB 70, 3-6-01; S.V. 178, 3-6-01; S.V. 211, SB 25, 3-7-01; S.V. 365, HB 191, 3-19-01; S.V. 555, SB 353, 2-6-02; S.V. 1111, 4-12-02; S.V. 20, SB 53, 2-12-03; S.V. 130, 3-6-03; S.V. 233, SB 157, 4-7-03; S.V. 853, 3-4-04; S.V. 80, SB 78, 3-3-03; S.V. 414, HB 506, 4-17-03; S.V. 568, HB 385, 4-25-03; S.V. 662, SB 405, 2-2-04; S.V. 1028, HB 1258, 3-24-04; S.V. 1027, 3-24-04; S.V. 59, SB 82, 2-14-05; S.V. 95, SB 100, 2-22-05; S.V. 287, 3-17-05; S.V. 207, SB 127, 3-11-05; S.V. 504, 3-31-05; S.V. 436, HB 59, 3-29-05; S.V. 437, 3-29-05) )
Cagle: Everybody Does It. Cagle’s bank holdings increased 900% while he sat on the Banking Committee and voted on regulations that significantly affected his bank business. When asked about this conflict of interest, Cagle “essentially uses the ‘everybody-does-it’ defense.” (“Cagle: Everybody Does It,” Savannah Morning News, June 11, 2006)
Cagle Contributed $1,000 to Liberal Democrat Mark Taylor, Then Admitted He Lied About It. Shortly after Democrat Lt. Governor Mark Taylor appointed him to the Senate Banking Committee, Cagle contributed $1,000 to Taylor, who used the funds to elect Democrats to the state Senate and defeat Republicans. (Cagle Campaign Contribution Report, December 31, 1999) Cagle claimed he contributed because Taylor threatened him. (Cagle Campaign Email, April 25, 2006) Cagle now admits the story was false. “I don’t ever remember Mark quote-unquote threatening me.” (“Cagle Retreats from Alleging Threat by Lieutenant Governor,” Atlanta Journal-Constitution, June 10, 2006)
Cagle Violated State Ethics Laws. Legislators are prohibited by state law from soliciting funds while the General Assembly is in session. When Cagle claimed he raised $100,000 in a single day from lobbyists and other interests once the legislative session concluded, his campaign admitted counting funds it had not received—-a clear violation of state ethics law. (Larry Peterson, “How Cagle Shook the Political Money Trees,” Savannah Morning News, April 27, 2006).
With a record like this, no wonder Casey Cagle has been running a negative campaign of personal attacks against Ralph Reed for 15 months. The Cagle record is personally profiting from public service, contributing to liberal Democrats, and violating state ethics laws. Georgia Republicans deserve better.
For Immediate Release June 21, 2006
By Darrell
June 21, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Tony, I never said that but a leader provides the vision and the training to get the job done and that is what he did. George Bush isn’t actually fighting in Iraq, neither are a lot of the generals they are providing the leadership. And with leadership comes the praise or the blame. Ralph hasn’t been perfect, but I’ll take a LEADER that tries over someone who basically seems to have used his committee to enrich himself and finds it convenient to give other peoples money to kiss up to a Democrat. Vote as you like. I will. Leaders like Bush and Ralph Reed help make sure that we have that privilege. Because they inspire others to follow them and get it done!
By RepublicanDawg
June 21, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this
Debbie- Nice post. Did Ralphie write that for you, or did you take that off his website? And never link President Bush to Ralph-Bush has enough problems of his own. Have you noticed how the President and a lot of other Washinton insiders that Ralph tries to link himself to has been so quiet in this primary? Sure he got pro-gay rights and pro-choice Guiliani down here, but he’d sell his soul to be President. Maybe he and Reed do have something in common after all. If you want a LEADER in corruption, a LEADER in scandals, a LEADER in abuse, and a LEADER in lack of experience, waste you vote on REED. This type of campaign ruined the Georgia Republican ticket in 1998, while Ralph laughed all the way to the bank. It’s ridiculous to vote for someone for Lt. Gov that has NEVER served as an elected official and someone that twenty-something of his own party has asked him to step aside for the good of the party. If you want true leadership and someone Georgia Republicans won’t have to apologize for, Cagle is only conservative in the race.
By Tater Tate
June 21, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this
Good post Debbie. I am always amazed at how condescending the Cagle posters are, but then that is the attitidue of the campaign. They are so much higher and better than anyone else.
The reality is they had better start explaining Cagle’s record a little better because people aren’t buying Cagle’s Reed is a crook about to be indicted scheme any longer.
It is clear who the real political insider and sleezy character is in this race and it is Cagle himself. I couldn’t have outlined it better Debbie.
Tater
By Ugotta B. Kidding
June 21, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this
@RepublicanDawg
Dawg…Sure you aren’t describing your leader Bill Clinton when he ran for President??? Sure sounds like it. Corruptions, scandals, abuse, lack of experience!!! If ole Bill was good enough for your with all those glittering credentials then good ole Ralph’s damn sure good enough for me…
By Tony
June 21, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this
It’s amazing how many people Ralph does their thinking for. All Reed’s people can do is recite what they’re given. They have no thoughts on their own. They make the same lies over and over. But when their own candidate is held in check over his own deceptions, lies, stupid moves, etc. they turn back around and claim liberal this, Cagle that. They clearly cannot explain their candidate’s shortcomings. Why? Because the candidate HIMSELF cannot explain his shortcomings. Do we believe the regurgitated garbage repeated so many times I have it memorized, or do we vote for experience, leadership, knowledge of the job he’s running for, etc.?
Debbie makes it sound like all Cagle does is vote for whatever big business wants. But note Ralph’s clients. He does not fight on principles. He goes where the money takes him. He claims he’s against gambling but then takes all that money from a casino and pretends he has no clue where thousands of dollars came from. Frankly if he’s that stupid over his OWN business dealings, who wants him handling their tax money, education, roads, etc.?
By RepublicanDawg
June 21, 2006 11:51 PM | Link to this
Ugotta B. Kidding-Bill Clinton? Where did that come from? Scandal, corruption, selling his soul to the highest bidder-wait that could be Clinton or Reed. I’ve NEVER voted for a Democrat since I first registered to vote, but I might have to leave it blank it Reed gets the nomination. Thanks for helping me out on that one. Tater Tot-Cagle supporters aren’t higher and better than anyone-they can just smell a crook and want to save the party from total embarrassment.
By Darrell
June 22, 2006 06:59 AM | Link to this
So a true conservative is someone who gives other peoples money to Democrats so he can be on a committee that he can use to become rich???? Wow, thanks for clearing that up for me! And don’t come back and say that it’s not true because you are saying all of these things Ralph hasn’t been charged with are true so shouldn’t the same rule apply? Or are you a hypocrite too?
By GodHatesTrash
June 22, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this
@ Ugotta B. Amoron
Ugotta B. Amoron. Loud-mouthed limey cretin.
America has enough idiots - we don’t need to import any more trash.
Go home.
By Debbie
June 22, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this
Reed supporters think for themselves. You Cagle supporters are the ones that sound like broken records.
Reed was and is not an elected official that used his political office to become rich off legislation he introduced and passed that benefitted him and his industry. Cagle did that. No explanation.
If Cagle increased his wealth over 900% in four years as a State Senator sitting on a banking committee. Imagine how much his wealth would increase if he were Lt. Governor…
Republican Dawg, Bush was officially silent in the 2002 GOP Primary for U.S.Senate but everyone knew he backed Saxby because of the officials Saxby was able to secure for his fundraisers. Same thing here. Haley Barbour is extremely close to the Whitehouse and he was at a Reed fundraiser.
Let’s see the people that have participated in fundraisers for Reed: Rudy, Newt, Haley, Bob Nardelli of Home Depot (also hosted fundraiser for Bush at his home), Sean, The Reynolds Family, (IE:Reynolds Plantation was the site of Bush-Cheney fundraisers).
By Debbie
June 22, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this
Republican Dawg, Those twenty somethings you mention may regret that letter. I will always work for and support the GOP nominee but not all feel that way.
I have heard Reed supporters talking about it being a slap in the face of every Reed supporter. They feel like these politicians want the support of Reed and his supporters to help get them elected but these officials think they should be relgated to stay in the background. It is similar helping someone get to a dance but being forced to stay outside the dance while the person you helped get there goes inside and dances with someone else.
These Reed supporters have said they will not vote for their State Senators that signed that letter even in the General election. I disagree with that sentiment, but that sentiment is there nonetheless.
By stephaniemills
June 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
Folks, Don’t listen to Debbie. She just goes onto any blog that mentions Ralph Reed and spits out her venom. Most people ignore her. Maybe if we all ignore her, she will just go away.
By Howard
June 22, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
Stephanie is the one that needs to be ignored. Tell me Stephanie, is your hair still purple and spiked?
You got your butt kicked on Peach Pundit and I see you are moving on.
Bleeding heart liberals are not popular in Georgia, Stephanie. You might want to think about moving to Massachusetts or Vermont where you would feel at home and welcomed.
By Tony
June 22, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
Good to see Howard’s got the Nazi mentality that only his close-minded kool aid drinking types are welcome here. Stephanie, ignore the goose steppers like Howard and Debbie. They recite the propaganda spilled to them by their master who does their thinking for them. Leave it to them and they’d turn Georgia, even the US, into a fascist anti-Constitution super state. Good to see close-mindedness prevails in the Reed camp. I’ll be sure to send them over some writings such as the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Common Sense, and the Federalist Papers over for some good toilet reading.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
June 22, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this
@Tony: You mean that “living breathing” Constitution that you liberal boys describe, the one that apparently only “lives & breathes” when it furthers YOUR LIBERAL causes? Is that the one? The one that allows your liberal judges to “read between the lines”? Is that the one? We conservatives prefer the one that means EXACTLY what it says. Of course you might prefer a more socialist version. And @GodHatesTrash, your little liberal buddy…YOU’RE STILL AN IDIOT!!!
By Tony
June 22, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
UBK,
Typical knee-jerk reaction from a clueless person. It shows how stupid you are to assume that someone who’s not drinking your kool aid is a liberal. Are all Reed supporters as stupid as you? Are they gullible? And like to assume based on absolutely nothing? When you get a clue and actually know something without assuming or repeating what your master tells you, come back and we’ll talk. Until then, just stay in the kiddie pool.
By Van
June 22, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this
Tony,
Why is it that only the lefties are using name calling and hate speech.
Nazi mentality Goose steppers close-minded kool aid drinking fascist anti-Constitution close-mindedness
I am glad to see how the left presents themselves, remember the old saying
Better to thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
The left, again, has removed all doubt.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
June 22, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this
Hey Tony…I’m baaaaack!!! No all the others are much smarter than me. But we all just marvel at your intelligence. I’ve always heard that if liberals can’t dazzle you with brilliance, they’ll sure baffle you with bull$hit!!! And Tony I feel baffled…
By Tony
June 22, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this
Van,
I don’t know. Why don’t you ask a liberal? And second of all I don’t think liberals have cornered the name calling. Check your bud Debbie. She’s a good example of a card carrying ‘rightie’ (using that terms loosely) who frequently calls names all the time. So make sure if you stereotype, you get in all of those who apply. It helps to have credibility when presenting an arguement. Why is it that good so called conservatives like you automatically assume someone is a liberal if they’re not in lock-step with your way of thinking? Why is it that your types call anyone else anti-American, anti-patriotic, anti-God, etc? You think you’ve cornered the market on morals and patriotism?
By Tony
June 22, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this
And Van, my guess is UBK’s use of calling people an idiot and using foul language spelled in unusual methods is an example of the intellect of your type? And how they don’t bother checking before making assumptions? Good quality braintrust in your camp there Van. Enough to definitely say none of your types are conservatives.
By Tony
June 22, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this
Debbie,
I surely can’t leave you out. Nice example of the rich and powerful and the out-of-state being the driving force behind Reed’s fundraising machine. Let’s see - lawfirms, lobbyists, fellow consultants, former customers, and several not even from GA. Lot’s of gated community types as well. A nice blend of people Ralph has scratched their backs and received some favors in return no doubt.
Whoever said Cagle used his office for his gain….pay no attention to Reed using his position for gain left and right. Can’t say he’s laundered some shady money through all of his companies and used some elected officials to get some strings pulled as well. He’s profitted quite nicely from the positions the common man has placed him in. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. And nice rebuttal to the report released today. Sounds like Ralph went ahead with a project and uses other companies to make it look like he’s a good little boy. Well Ralph, it don’t matter how you launder the money. It still came from casinos and you knew about it. Nice con job. I’m sure those Alabama Christians appreciate your laudering job.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
June 22, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this
Uh, Tony, you might want to go back and re-read your 12:00 post. Want to talk about name calling? Does Nazi, Fascist, or goose stepper ring a bell? Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. I’m just having a discussion AND having fun at the same time. Instead of just name calling you might want to try it sometime.
By Ugotta B. Kidding
June 22, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this
Tony…I notice that you have and I apologize.
By Tony
June 22, 2006 10:12 PM | Link to this
Oh I can take it with no problems. i was just pointing out to Van that he can’t say “only the lefties are using name calling and hate speech”. I merely pointed out to him that many who claim to be on the right do the same thing. By Van’s logic you and Debbie must be lefties. I was only getting on Van’s case for making such an absurd generalization when many who think as he does do the same thing as those he accuses as being lefties.
By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda
June 22, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this
There’s not a dimes’ worth of difference between a Georgia redneck and an Al Qaeda operative - and Ralph Reed is an American Ayatollah.
Except that rednecks are stupider and lazier.
By stephaniemills
June 23, 2006 12:49 AM | Link to this
Howard, you seriously think that is a good attack on me? I have never had anything other than my natural hair color, had anything pierced, tatooed or anything of the like. You will have to do better than you small minded fool.