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By Stan

December 15, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

{smacks the crap out of woody’s face}

Calm down there Woody Little. Man it’s going to be alright. The sky is NOT falling. The end is NOT near. Quit trying to scare people.

By Georgia Girl

December 15, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Wow. Seems like this is the time to be the most thankful and appreciative of any good things in one’s life. Personally, my husband was laid off several months ago, but I consider us blessed that I still have my job and we can pay our bills. We don’t spend money like we used to, but we’re getting by. And I know that lots of people have things pretty bad right now, but it’s a good time to take inventory: family, friends, health, food, shelter…there’s always something. When things are hard, you have to try harder. But this too shall pass.

By delois

December 15, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

I’m thankful my husband has survived 12 years after having a major heart attack and losing 40% use of his heart; I’m thankful my 23 year old son has never gotten involed in drugs, caught an STD, has no baby mama, has never gotten a DUI and is about to finish up at Georgia Tech; I’m thankful we don’t keep up with the Joneses so both are cars are paid for and the only real debt we have is our mortgage and if one of us loses our job, we will somehow be able to survive. Most of all, I’m thankful that we celebrate the real reason for Christmas at our house so we are not worried about having money to buy a lot of presents, etc. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY.

By Pi$$onaDawg

December 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

In 1978 I walked into a HISTORY CLASS in middle school. Mrs. Johnson made History LIVE. Her Husbond painted and created DIAORAMAS of Battles, Coronations, Tombs, and HISTORY with LEAD SOLIDERS & Fugures. The Taracotta Army now on display brings to life what I fell in love with. This year I am going to teach my Nephew to make Model Cars, Rockets, Airplanes, and Figures. Thank You Maryanne Johnson Holy Innocence School.

By Steev

December 15, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Sounds Like Woody needs a hug!

And some hot apple cidar

And some Christmas Carols…

By roska

December 15, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry about tough times.

The savior Obama will bring peace, happiness and justice to all. (The sad thing is there are people who actually believe Obama is the savior.)

Me?

I’m happy that my family is well and that we’re together and sane in a crazy world.

I’m happy that we live in a country where (at least for now) we’re free to pursue our own dreams and where our own efforts (at least for now) are the only limits to what we can achieve.

I’m happy that the values I’ve tried to pass on to my kids (work, education and honesty) seem to still be relevant (though I wonder for how much longer).

I’m happy that I live in a country that is so well off that overfed people with ill fitting ball caps can sit in heated comfort with high speed Internet, cable driven high def TV’s, BlueRay players, cell phones and Blackberry’s while they blog about how crappy their life is.

Thank you Lord (not Obama, but the real one) for the blessings we still have.

By Bubba

December 15, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Know what?

How many times have you said to yourself, “there but for the grace of God go I?”

How many of the great anxieties that you’ve had in your life been job-related? I’m just askin’, I don’t know.

My point is that time, and life, move forward, not back. Look. I’m not tryin’ to blow sunshine up anybody’s a$$, but it seems to me that bad times - like good times - never last forever.

To me, the holiday season is a holiday, or a time - a week, a day, an hour, a minute - when you get to reflect, as one would look back on the challengin’ rocks on that creek we nearly drowned in, hit the calm, catch your breath, thank God you made through alive, take a breath and say. “Wow, that was intense. What’s around the corner?”

Everybody needs a time to reflect on what it means to be alive. Be it Christmas, Chanukah, the Winter Solstice - what have you -

By BW

December 15, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this

Tell you what Woody, go hide in the closet, wel’l sent someone over after the holidays, problem settled.

By Michael H. Smith

December 16, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this

Woe is me, woe is me, what I gonna do!

Woodrow stop sulking. At least no one is throwing shoes at you - yet.

When you start feeling bad about how bad everything seems to be in this present life that surrounds you that my friend is a wake-up call. Yep, that’s right: Someone’s knocking at the door.

Since I’m considering this a private conversation held among the noisy if not nosy eavesdropping world twixt you and me Woodrow, I’m going to break with a long held personal tenet in regards to charity: Simply bending the rule not breaking it mind you.

So here’s the skinny: The other week my wife and I were having breakfast conversation ‘P moaning’ life’s troubles - including our very own - while in the course of talking over Christmas gifts for this one and that one within the limited means of our budget. With very little deliberation we decided that this year instead of giving each other another piece of junk we really don’t need for a Christmas present, we would instead make our gift to one another be a donation to a local charity.

Someone’s knocking at the door Woodrow, so open it up and let in. Feel better now?

Something tells me this will be the happiest, best Christmas of all.

By Michael H. Smith

December 16, 2008 1:57 AM | Link to this

Bah-humbug, all is but a facade.

Here you go Woodrow. Good time to make the change happen over the Holidays. Since Rick is out-of-pocket for a few days and you might have some clout with the AJC Gwinnett, why not organize us activists and factions, liberals, centrists, conservatives and whatever else remains within the county to seriously discuss± national health care: Lest forgive the adage, our voices shall be Daschled.

± I mean town-hall, public forum not held on the usual ridiculousness that occurs on these blogs.

http://change.gov/page/s/hcdiscussion

By woodys mom

December 16, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

well woody wasnt taught this at home..

i love the christmas season.. it is a time to reflect and be thankful. and a time to give back. i do try to give back all year long. what do i have to be thankful for? for surviving cancer twice and being cancer free for 11 years.. and to be able to see and help other cancer survivors beat and win their battles.

to be thankful for having two wonderful kids who have found their own way. two grandkids who are the most special kids in the world.

there is good people all over who live their lives to the fullest and help others. not just holidays but all year long.

i also would like to add yes there are those who just give during holidays but look at the bright side. at least they are giving even if the holidays are a reminder to them at which they should do all year long. and some of those do little deeds of good will that gets missed. small deeds add up.. like a smile to the grumpy old man who forgot what was good in life. the scrapy old lady who forgot what it was like to have family around. a small smile to brighten up their lives sometimes is all it takes. be thankful for having a good family and freinds and a good life even in bad times.

By BW

December 16, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

MHS, Daschled, clever I like it. What an unusal concept, actually asking “The People” for their input instead of just lobbyists.

There are a number of items to be addressed, like redoing Bush’s soft-shoed drug program to letting those who what keep their own insurance.

My personal interest would that ALL children are insured, it isn’t a child’s fault that his parents/parent can not afford insurance. It is proven that preventive care in children provide a greater benefit than most realize, doing better in school, keeping up a heathy lifestyle that carries into older years, now how can you beat that?

Those are my idea’s, plus they love the Holidays.

Sorry about any typing errors, I have to keep checking my writting, time for a new pair of computer glasses.

By Michael H. Smith

December 16, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Hey, don’t blame that liberal idea on me. Dear Leader Obama is responsible for instigating this public input gig. But, if that is to be the course I at least want to bring a CONSERVATIVE prospective to the national town hall table. Lest I and the non-socialist among us all be Gored!

Where forth art thou Grinch Bass?

Tiny Tim beckons thee.

By BW

December 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

MHS didn’t see anything conservatives banned from sending in idea’s?.

Gored, come on, now you’re reaching.

By BW

December 16, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

The Fat Cats will be enjoying the Holidays…The Federal Reserve entered a new era on Tuesday, reducing its benchmark interest rate so low that it will have to reach for new and untested tools in fighting both the recession and downward pressure on consumer prices. The central bank lowered its target for the overnight federal funds rate to a range of 0 to 0.25 percent, a record low, virtually bringing the United States to the zero-rate policies that Japan used for six years in its own fight against deflation.

Read More: http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na

I don’t think you should be worry about National Health Care anytime soon. We should have given Fearless Leader the BOOT a long time go.

By Michael H. Smith

December 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

There you go again, throwing shoes at the President.

I did send Dear Leader some ideas: Like stop outsourcing American jobs to foreign labor inside this country. ¡ E-Haw !

Every U.S. Citizen having the means to afford healthcare is not that far of a reach. But, then again, that would be one more reason no one would need a union and those legacy costs added into the product price of goods and services. Bah- Humbug says Grinch Gettlefinger.

By BW

December 16, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

MHS, not shoes but the boot, big difference. Ah, you always try to destroy the Union and if I remember correctly the South attacked the Union and the United States of America, the Union, kicked the rebels butt, guess that’s why so many Southerners hate the Union.

Don’t make us do it again.

By BW

December 16, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

HMS, how do you even start making health care affordable for all without Federal assistance? In THIS economy, what young family could even afford it?

By Michael H. Smith

December 17, 2008 1:08 AM | Link to this

Don’t make who do what again? Please, the North desired to leave the Union of States some 40 years prior before the Southern lead succession. The only thing that trumps the Northern aggression of arrogance in this day is its’ ignorance in donning sanctimony.

To liberals who lust for socialist government control by an elitists few, of course there is no other alternative than socialized medicine.

HMS, how do you even start making health care affordable for all without Federal assistance?

In THIS economy, what young family could even afford it?

Last question first: You stop shipping wealth out of this country as has been the case over the last two Presidential administrations - Clinton and Bush - that has pursued the global agenda contrary to serving the security and prosperity of this country. No more outsourcing of American jobs to foreign labor - inside or outside of this country. That is the source of the now deflation you mentioned, which the FED is throwing money down a rat whole in vain to stop. As long as this gaping whole of outsourcing exist no wealth retention is possible. Not only will young couples be unable to afford anything, all but a few will be in much the same fiscal dilemma. Which is about where present circumstance finds the populous of this country today. Flat world broke!

Fixing the economy has to be job one starting from day one. Rebuilding infrastructure of this country will not be enough nor will it deliver the long term efficacy needed to sustain an economy very far into the future. That will require the long sought after goal of achieving energy independence. First from foreign oil, ultimately independence from the use of oil pretty much altogether. However, all the jobs created by this massive monetary stimulus must go into the empty pockets of U.S. Citizens not foreign workers from Mexico and Central America nor from any other foreign source for that matter, if we are actually investing in America and not simply spending and sending money out of this country.

First question second: There will never be an absolute zero amount of government involvement or business contribution possible. However, the model that Henry Kaiser gave us needs reform if American companies and even those so-called American auto makers will be able to compete, even under mirrored trade or Fair Trade policies. Some where in between socialized medicine and the Kaiser model is the correct balance that is needed. My thoughts on this have been expressed previously which are meant to give the individual the power and means of securing healthcare within a quasi framework that is free from as much as is possible the control of government and/or business. The problem with creating a reliable framework that can meet the terms of universal affordable portable healthcare for every U.S. Citizen is finding where it is breakable so that it is fixed before you get, which will mean the system simply works.

Once Americans, U.S. Citizens that is, have jobs that put money in their pockets, with lower energy costs from having invested in energy independence and a populists - not socialist or monologists - healthcare system, including a new approach in dealing with social security that will mean real security at the end of a Citizen’s most productive years the course of this nation will be on the right track again.

Fixing Wall Street and the financial sector is sweet and simple: You don’t regulate fraud, you prosecute it. Instead of giving the same crooks more money to pocket. We’ve already spent - thanks to Paulson - enough money to have given every person a check to have paid of all those home loans now in default.

By Michael H. Smith

December 17, 2008 1:27 AM | Link to this

Excuse the misspells it’s late and I’m not focusing on my typing.

“rat hole” not rat whole, “monopolists” not monologists and “paid off” not paid of.

By BW

December 17, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

Isn’t a county picking out your trash hauler and building a stadium during a recession without any public input or a Federal Bailout of Wall St. all perfect examples of a socialist government?

Socialized medicine? I have not seen any paper or plan yet put out by the incoming administration that suggests such a thing. Maybe if you could show some real facts put out by the incoming administration concerning how health care will be handled, the need to run around playing chicken little will ease.

By Michael H. Smith

December 17, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Go back and check your facts BW. Daschle’s cohort and “main healthcare adviser” is a big proponent of single payer. Fact: Single payer is socialized medicine, period.

Now who is running or should be? You!

Two other points: No the county is not picking my trash hauler. I live in the City of Lawrenceville (proper) and the City has its’ own sanitation department and private recycling contractor. The only two services I receive from the county are 1) fire 2) partially water and sewer.

There is a very big difference between your favorite lament - the ballpark - and healthcare. That ballpark will in no way affect the quality or affordability of my healthcare. A single payer program so-called “Enhanced Medicare” for all a.k.a. socialized medicine will.

I favor individual medical savings accounts, a means to fund them and expanding the health departments we already own to compete directly with and against the private healthcare industry in delivering healthcare services with possible tax subsides for those of lower incomes. Re-importation of drugs in bulk purchase. Ability to buy healthcare insurance policies across state lines with no mandatory coverage for things the individual does not need to insure and a strictly enforced abolishment of “cherry picking”. Tax credits for employers contributions to their employee’s medical savings accounts. Tax credits for families with insured children and the ability transfer to surviving dependents or designated persons all remaining MSA funds tax free after death into the heirs MSAs’. Individuals allowed to form group healthcare insurance pools or self-insuring entities under State guidance and oversight. Government’s role should be one of enforcement and oversight primarily, with as little taxpayer subsidy as absolutely necessary and government control over individual healthcare choices as possible.

By BW

December 17, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

The Federal Bailout of Wall St. is a perfect example of a socialist government.

Socialized medicine? I have not seen any paper or plan yet put out by the incoming administration that suggests such a thing.

You base all this fear, the Republican way, on one person and Cabinet member named Tom Daschle? The same Tom Daschle who has a web-site seeking input from “The People” and not lobbyists on they would like to see in health care changes.

By Bob

December 17, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

Geez Guys! Its not always about you!

BW & Michael: Take it outside!

Woody: Slap Slap! Snap out of it man!

Sure there are bad things happening. Things are tough all over. Things were and are going to keep sliding regardless of who won. Some of us think the wrong choices were were made, but that doesn’t change the reality. We’re over extended. The party is over and its going to be cash and carry for the foreseeable future.

The hands have been dealt. The new government is not going to make things better. Its going to be even worse than it would have been with the other choices.

Be thankful for what you’ve got. Then hope/pray/plan/work for the best.

Lots of folks are out of work. Lots more will be. Lots more businesses are going to fail. What we all have to do is steer our own ships. The next two years are going to be a disaster for the tax payers and for the supporters of big government when they realize that trying to do what Hoover did in the late 20’s and early 30’s won’t fare any better than it did then. Roosevelt and the New Deal didn’t get us out of the depression. WWII did. Hopefully it won’t be as bad as that. In any case, that would be preferable to Russia in 1917.

God Bless us every one.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

By Michael H. Smith

December 18, 2008 2:15 AM | Link to this

Hey Bob, did anyone stop you from making your comment? Do you own this blog or wish that you did?

Then it isn’t about YOU either, so take that anywhere you.

Slap, slap….

By Michael H. Smith

December 18, 2008 2:42 AM | Link to this

The new deal, WPA and CCC put many people back to work who otherwise would not have had jobs for years or means to put food on their family tables. All the Libertarian smack talk in the world won’t change those facts. The efficiency of government and its’ efficacy matters more than the size of government. WWII was a “big government massive spending program” as wars always are and a result of war is a massive “redistribution of wealth”.

By Michael H. Smith

December 18, 2008 3:36 AM | Link to this

@BW

You don’t read enough first of all. You make plenty of statements, “mostly false” and baseless. You bet I will continue to attack this so-called “single payer” a.k.a. Enhanced Medicare for all as the socialist medicine scheme that it is and a part of Tom Daschle’s plan upto 150% of the poverty line. And I hope he runs head-on into that “Blue Dog” buzzsaw with this Enhanced Medicare for all bunk.

Many of the items I purpose Republicans fear and staunchly oppose. Yet another one of your false insinuations to link me to Republicans.

Republicans would oppose a national healthcare lottery, taking a cut from all gaming proceeds in this country to use in funding of individual U.S. Citizen MSAs’. Republicans oppose the re-importation and bulk purchase of drugs. Republicans would oppose expanding the health departments we already own to compete directly with and against the private healthcare industry in delivering healthcare services with possible tax subsides for those of lower incomes.

I intend to keep advocating taking away as much power and control as possible from goverment (especially federal goverment) in returning it to the people. Particularly the power and control over healthcare. I want the best healthcare my money can buy at the lowest price it can be bought from anywhere I choose to buy it, for the quality of service I desire.

You fear government losing power and control little socialist chicken. Go run hide now. That big bad progressive populists cloud is going the rain on your elite socialists parade.

By Bob

December 18, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

By Michael H. Smith December 18, 2008 2:15 AM | Link to this

No I don’t. But apparently you do. I responded to Woody’s post. While you and BW go on and on and on. ad nauseum with the same old OFF TOPIC BS. Maybe you and he should get a room.

By Michael H. Smith

December 18, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Bob you are the one is who obviously out of touch with the topic. Woodrow’s complaints centered on how bad things are, healthcare is one of those bad things. Get yourself a room Bob - a padded one.

By Bob

December 18, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Rubber room? Actually Michael,. Woody didn’t say anything about health care in his post. Georgia Girl did. BW did and you did.

Anyone who wants health care can have it. Its for sale. We have the best health care system in the world. Its even available, via a form of legalized gambling called health insurance. Its all about priorities. COBRA is an expensive hobby. BC/BS Blue 2000/35005000…is less expensive, but less comprehensive. Again, its all about choices. Regardless, health care doesn’t have squat to do with the current economic downturn. The same people that are whining about it now have been whining about it for a long time. We’re over leveraged as a nation from Wall Street to the alleys behind the buildings on Main Street.

I agree with a lot of what you say about health care. I disagree on its relevance in this thread.

Merry Christmas

By BW

December 18, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

MHS, is The Federal Bailout of Wall St. is a perfect example of a socialist government”

How can you discuss an issue when there isn’t a issue to discuss.

“You base all this fear, the Republican way, on one person and Cabinet member named Tom Daschle? The same Tom Daschle who has a web-site seeking input from “The People” and not lobbyists on they would like to see in health care changes.”

Has any plan been put forth by the incoming administration?

O alsp said with interest rates at the all time low (even worse than the Depression). Health reform is far down the list, until this country starts working again.

Bob I respond when addressed and I can not allow falsehoods to go unchallenged.

I replyed to Woody, it was a bummer of an article.

So a Very Merry Christmas to you, as a present to you I’ll take the week off.

By Michael H. Smith

December 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Actually Bob, Woodrow didn’t say anything about WWII or any of the other things you felt so note worthy to whine over that had nothing to do with this thread. But that’s fine with me. I don’t feel the need to tell you what to say on his blog, how to interpret the various thoughts Woodrow throws out for discussion, how much to say or how often to make a comment. So Bob, how about returning those curtsies to others instead of dictating what you find acceptable.

Regardless, health care doesn’t have squat to do with the current economic downturn

On that I disagree with you, Bob.

@ BW - Don’t try make it out that I support the Wall Street bailout. I don’t. This well… that is socialism so whats the difference business is not going to cut it with me. Capitalism is a curl economic system until it is compared to all the others. There should be no guarantees from government to business as to success or failure. That should include individuals. Government’s should only guarantee the conditions for business success, for getting a job, for having healthcare, for buying housing, for a secure retirement. The rest is up to us to make those things happen.

The healthcare issue is in national discussion at this moment BW. I will not let your falsehoods go either and you make a good number of them. The fear is on your part as I’ve pointed out, go back read the discourse again. You have yet to address the non-Republican items I’ve listed. There again, another false claim made by you.

By Michael H. Smith

December 18, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

“Cruel” spelling in lieu of curl.

By BW

December 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

MHS, a very Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.

Sorry Bob.

By Michael H. Smith

December 18, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Best of the season to all.

By Bob

December 18, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

MHS - You ignorant slut!

Wrong again. It appears to be a habit with you.

This thread is about bad times. The Great Depression, soon to be renamed Depression I, is the prime example of bad times in the modern era. Not to discount the Panics of 1857 1873, 1893 and 1907- but most readers have never heard of them. History is on the verge of potentially repeating itself, with a government that wants to try to fix a pad economy with higher taxes and public works projects. It didn’t work in in the 30’s and it won’t work now. CONVENIENTLY, WWII came along and got us out of the Depression. Toatlally relavent to Woody’s question No one seems to be whining except YOU.

You might want to get your facts straight before your try to cross swords with me - you self absorbed, sanctimonious, offspring of unwed parents. You give conservatism a bad name.

By Michael H. Smith

December 18, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

Bob you wouldn’t know facts from your butt, stick it you whiny dumbass!

By Bob

December 19, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

MHS- You’re the one who is whining and lacking intelligence.

Your heavy handed crap may work with others, but not with me. Facts are facts. Its documented history and ON TOPIC.. You don’t like it, too bad. While, I’m at least as far to the right as you, it is often amusing to see BW wind your watch. You offer a lot of good points in many of your posts, but you invariably either go or take things off topic. You are belligerent to anyone who disagrees with you.

Two choices:

1) Merry Christmas & Peace be with you.

or

2) KMAMF

By Michael H. Smith

December 19, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Bob, you talking about belligerence and intelligence really is funny. I’m nowhere near over the cliff like you. BW is a nutjob, more like you Bob, who always trips up distorting the facts. Like you Bob, Brucie, oops…. BW is like a human pogo stick when it comes to staying on TOPIC. I know BW means well but like most elitist socialist contrarian liberals his comparisons usually don’t pan out.

Anyway Woodrow, get ready for WWIII, Bob has warned us that we are in a depression. It’s all documented history. The only way out of this financial travesty, this depression, is to repeat world war. But don’t tell Bob that in order to have another WWII it will take a HUGE PUBLIC WORKS project, because we all know public works projects don’t work. You know like FDR’s lend lease program with the U.K., “lending your neighbor your hose when his house is on fire”, shipping all the men of this country off to war and having to employ all the women that remained in the country to build the war machinery, just so we could have a World War. All of that was not a HUGE public works program, nah, not in the least manner of speaking. It’s all documented history, Woodrow!

Yeah, Bob, WWII definitely got us out of the depression because it created the biggest public works program that ever existed and redistributed the wealth of this world like nothing else that ever existed before that time. Lucky for us we were on the receiving end of that wealth redistribution - Very unlike today where we now owe everybody and GOD as the world’s greatest debtor nation.

I know you were depressed Woodrow but after this Bob person, if you are not having a good hard laugh I really fear for your well being.

Public works programs don’t work but World War II did… Oh my sides are splitting! LOL

Now if I can only get Brucie, oops I did it again… if BW will only tell the City of Lawrenceville to stop hauling my trash because they are violating the law. The County has jurisdiction and they will tell me who will provide sanitation services in Lawrenceville. It’s all documented history, right Bob?

Meanwhile back on TOPIC: Woodrow we can - that is the sane minds among us - be very thankful in these hard times that we are alive to make the changes that are necessary to end all the bad things that have really got you down. Of course it will mean a huge public works project to solve the energy crisis and putting millions of people, hopefully first and foremost U.S. Citizens back work and stop sending our wealth out of this country in spreading it around the world. Probably means we’ll have to get our healthcare costs in line to compete within the dynamics of a global economy that has no compression to anything that ever existed before in DOCUMENTED HISTORY. Not likely Dear Leader Obama will raise any taxes for a good long while. If anything Dear Leader Obama will do a very well structured highly defined capital gains tax cut to bring back all the outsourced offshore jobs and monies to this country in putting that capital back to work here, where it can do us some real financial good. Ah a lot to be thankful for Woodrow, even in these hard times.

By Michael H. Smith

December 19, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Footnote: The capital gains tax cut would include corporate tax cuts.

By Bob

December 19, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Take a breath Michael. You demonstrate the points so well. (Geez you fly off the handle.) Actually the Gwinnett Clean and Beautiful initiative has been struck down. http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/12/18/gwinnettgarbageinjunction.html

WWIV started on 9/11/2008. (I agree with Boortz that the cold war was WWIII) So we’re already in a World War. The difference is we try to pretend that we’re not for the folks back home.

1) Its a bad economy. If you don’t agree with statement #1, there’s no need in further discussion.

Its not a depression - yet. If we repeat the mistakes of the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations, it could be. Up till now, Dear Leader has been talking about doing the same types of things. We;’ll get a lot of bridge and road re-builds and some nice public buildings, but that won’t fix the economy. The Federal government will either back up and regroup, or a lot of Congressional representatives will be replaced in 2010. If they still don’t get it, Dear Leader could be out on his keister in 2012. They do have the legacy of the 30’s to review. I never said it would take another World War to fix the economy. I said that what was tried in the 30’s didn’t work. If you haven’t noticed, I’m a capitalist and a right wing conservative. Probably more right wing than you. I hope this clarifies things for you.

So I hope you have the next week off. Chill out and spend some time with the family .’Cause when you’re angry, your debating skills stink.

Merry Christmas - Bob -OUT

By Michael H. Smith

December 20, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this

Bob, Gwinnett Clean and Beautiful has nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with my trash collection nor does the county. There was no flying off the handle GEEZ. It was simply another one of BW’s baseless uninformed BS statements I took the good pleasure of pointing out, in FACT. I’m so glad you informed of the things Dear Leader has said and little, obviously unbeknown to you, reiterating what I said about Dear Leader be tossed out of office if he does not preform in turning around this economy.

If you want to be hostile as you were when you entered the blog and pretty much continued to do, don’t expect to meet anything but hostility. It’s not cute, it’s not smart, in fact it’s just a down right stupid thing to do Bob. Worse to then tell that person you attacked and continued to attack, to CHILL!

By BW

December 21, 2008 3:11 AM | Link to this

MHS, “Bob, Gwinnett Clean and Beautiful has nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with my trash collection nor does the county.” “another one of BW’s baseless uninformed BS statements” ?

It seems that I’m suppose to know or even care where MHS lives? If he is in the backwoods of unincorperated Gwinnett or enjoying the city nightlife of the county seat? While I was pointing out an example of socialism, the trash bs, he felt because he enjoyed the city life it didn’t apply to him, I guess while he can mouth off about everything in the county, when it applies to his city life, well thats different.

MHS, if you dare apply the same standards to yourself as you do do to others, maybe your rants would not not take up a half a page and they would only apply to those that enjoy the city life.

Bob, when you tell people that they’re not discussing the topic, which by the way was not receiving a grat amount of discussion because it was a bummer anyway and yet to take over where the one you berated listened makes you nothing more than a hypocrite.

BUT ALL ENJOY THE HOLIDAY’S

By Michael H. Smith

December 21, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

BW try getting your facts straight before telling someone what they get from where.

Old pal you don’t miss many opportunities to rant about everything around the world and then some; and you take up as much space and time as you wish to consume.

Oh by the way I seen a poll (not that polls count) but 77% said they want healthcare fixed.

Anyway I’m glad Dear Leader Obama is focused on what needs to be done. People may like to berate FDR and the New Deal but if Dear Leader’s New Deal can do as good a job of cutting the unemployment rate in half over 6 years like FDR did in the ’30s with his public works investment programs not many people will complain then.

Do you suppose Dear Leader Obama will have to give up his free market principles in order to save the free market like Fearless Leader Bush and become a protectionist?

By Scarlett

December 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Dear Woody……I agree with you! Things are bad & they’re going to get much worse. People need a reality check & better get ready to hold on for a long, hard, wild ride (& I don’t mean the enjoyable situation you wish we were talking about.)

And for you wealthy folks “google” Ben Stein. He wrote a great article on 12/22 about why folks that CAN pay their mortgage & have a good deal of security & savings, SHOULD be helping wage earners keep their jobs & companies make money BY SHOPPING!

Now I don’t want to get started with politics except to say that BUSH nationalized the banking industry & Paulsen apparently has more power than Bush or the Fed right now! Bush approved the TARP BAIL-OUT & my 2 Republican Senators did also even though I contacted them to say I didn’t support it.

Remember in the mid-late 1970’s when Pittsburgh Steelworkers everywhere were loosing their jobs & pink slips were coming their way, more & more everyday. Well, I was in high school at the time and doing research & the math discovered they were making about $19 per hour (straight pay, not including benefits.) I didn’t feel so sorry for them when I realized that school teachers, post office workers, nurses, librarians, full-time pastors of huge churches…and MOST Americans made MUCH, MUCH, LESS THAN the complaining steel workers (no offense intended Bruce Springsteen) who were making about $40,000 per year!

Now assembly line workers in US automaker plants are making about $30 per hour and 95% of them can draw their regular pay via “job banks” EVEN if they are laid off. I feel sorry for these 3rd & 4th generation auto workers, who have given hard work & loyalty to their companies, but again, this is entirely RIDICULOUS! Soldiers & others in the military, new teachers (hell, most teachers, even in Atlanta) nurses, librarians, State legislators, store managers and MANY small business owners don’t make over $60,000 per year! It is sad for Detroit & everywhere, but we live in a SERVICE economy, NOT an INDUSTRIAL economy. Computers, IT workers, media & the helping professions are in demand, math, science & special educators are needed, not more autoworkers. They’re practically giving cars away & nobody is buying them still. It is sad, but they have been making too much for a long time & now is reckoning day! And they get benefits as good, usually BETTER than the above named, college educated professionals, ALL hard work is honorable, ALL, but bricklayers and autoworkers should not be paid more than teachers, nurses, librarians, beginning accountants….because all those folks have student loans to pay off & the world can live without buying US cars. Teachers, nurses, librarians, etc. are absolutely necessary. You can’t buy their “products” from another country with a more efficient industrial system. People complain that WalMart doesn’t treat their employees very well. I’m sorry to hear that but I can’t afford to buy all my groceries at Whole Foods or my clothing from Belk! Who among you would return a rebate check from the government right now or give 100% to a charity & I don’t mean sharing with your blood relatives. Yep, I didn’t think so!

By Rhett

December 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Scarlet always was a lying vixen. What say give old Rhett a look see under them petticoats. This ain’t Scarlet! It’s that no count cross-dressing carpetbagger Brucie bring dishonor on a fine southern belle with another one of those lying a$$ stem winders.

By Mark

December 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

No.

By BW

December 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Rhett, I was enjoying the week in Savannah you paranoid scumbag. I always love t-shirt weather round Christmas, I hated to leave today, but it is the best day to travel.

By BW

December 26, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

MHS, Obama promised to review every Free Trade Agreement, you know the the ones that give the other countries the advantage because None have ever been enforced could quickly even the playing field. Would that be considered a protectionist, I wouldn’t think so. I did note the lowest number of container ships moving to and fro since I’ve been going to Savannah and it seems they were all running high?

As aside…by the number of tourists around Savannah this year in was hard to believe we are in a recession

By Michael H. Smith

December 26, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

According to the Bush Neo-Con - Chamber of Commerce - thinking this so-called “leveling the playing” or ’ insistence on ’ and ’ practice of ’ Fair Trade policies where mirrored markets exist that would absolutely be protectionists, isolationists and damnably nationalists.

By jd

December 26, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Here are some of the things I am thankful for…

I am thankful that the economy has forced my grown children to live with me. Thus, bringing us closer together as a family.

I am thankful that my son’s unemployment has been extended another few weeks.

I am thankful for employment that offers insurance even though it doesn’t pay me enough to make ends meet. Thus, I am thankful for the equity in my home that allows me to survive from month to month.

I am thankful for the ability to e-file my taxes. That means I will get my refund back faster and can pay some past due bills.

I am thankful that my car did not break down on may way to work today.

Lastly, I am thankful that we will soon have a president that will at least give us hope for the future.