Norcross.Talk

By BW

December 9, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

It is still a joke that an unelected group, Gwinnett Clean and Beautiful sets the rules on who will be our trash collectors taking away a comsumers right to chose. Not only that, but the small trash collection services that served us so well maybe forced out of business in favor of these hand-picked corporate giants.

I only have room for one wheeled bin, how long will it be before I’m forced to join the program?

“Lets say someone reports someone misusing the recycling bins and after an investigation it turns out that the perpetrator (consistently) put “, man what a joke.

We build a stadium during a recession without a vote, now this garbage without a vote, anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

Thankfully two small trash companies are taking the county or it’s private trash board to court to stop the bs and save jobs and I hope they win.

Sounds like a bunch of old biddies who don’t like the idea of too many trash trucks passing by distubing their bridge games in their gated communities, isn’t that right Woody.

By Al

December 10, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

Good luck getting apartment complexes to successfully participate in this program. They tried this at the last complex I lived in. Despite the fact the the recycle bin was clearly marked “For Recyclable Material ONLY” along with a list of what can and can’t be placed in the recycle bins, most people continuously placed common garbage in them. So the recycling company used bigger signs with bolder type, even going so far to direct people to place their garbage in the dumpster just 10 feet away. It still did no good, and got so bad that the recycling company eventually gave up and discontinued the program. Most people just don’t care. Maybe they should hand out the fines like speeding tickets…it seems they’ll stop at nothing to get whatever money they can from us anyway.

By Dot

December 10, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

Woody,

I believe your fellow “Gator” fan (which I guess is why she chose 2 Florida companies and not Georgia, is misleading you. The cost is higher than over 50% of the citizens are currently paying.

But aside from that, you don’t have a problem with government taking away your rights as a citizen who does pay their salaries by the way? If you don’t then I guess you want socialistic, facist, or even communnision country. I DO NOT.

And the $500 fine does not read the way you stated and the Garbage Gestapo can enforce it at any time.

I am a widow and barely have a bag of trash a week and the only recyling I have is the newspaper which I will be cancelling to offset the additional cost of trash pick up which will be automatically added to my property tax against my will.

Not to mention your good buddy, CW, is responsible for companies going out of business and employees being laid off in this time of economic crisis.

I could go on forever as I have been working against for many months and the only comments I get from you buddy is canned responses. I for one do not need not want the government to make my decisions until the day they pay my bills then I will decide if I want to give up my freedom.

I personally am pulling for the 2 companies trying to get an injunction.

By Stan

December 10, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Defend this all you want Woody, this whole thing is just BAD! Bad policy, bad politics, bad for consumers, bad for voters, and will probably end up being bad for the environment.

BTW the article about the 2 trash cos trying to stop this mess stated that their lawyer is Roy Barnes. Is this the former Gov Roy Barnes?

By OK

December 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

“participating in this program will not cost anyone more than they were already going to pay”? How come my current waste hauler takes care of my trash, recycling, and yard waste for only $19.99 a month, while under this new policy this price only covers trash and recycle? Do some research before you try to defend GCB.

By Bob

December 10, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Woody - This whole thing stinks. Its restraint of trade, more government in our lives, cronyism/favoritism/graft… call it by any other name, its criminal. If it truly is voluntary (Which I doubt) Many people will stop recycling. If governments really wanted to do something to help, they would outlaw plastic bottles and mandate the return of refillable glass deposit bottles. If that kills bottled water sales, so much the better. This of course would have to be at state or federal level - but what the heck - the country has voted in big government. They may as well do a few things right.

@BW. -Couldn’t agree with you more. I currently only have room for one “Maynard.” The rest of your punch list is dead on. I like baseball as much as the next guy and will probably go to some games, but this concept of taxpayers funding private stadiums is ridiculous. Its been criminals for as long as its been done. The next time we have elections we need to put some of these “heads on poles”

By Corners guy

December 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

My current hauler charges $12.80 a month for trash and recycling. Next month I will be forced to pay $20 a month for the same service. The only difference is that the recycling bin will have wheels. That’s $3.60 a month rental fee for each plastic wheel. No thanks. Don’t need it, especially since I have cancelled my subscription to the newspaper, and the few cans and bottles I empty in a week fit nicely in the little bin. I’ll bet the manufacture of the extra dumpster consumed more resources than will ever be reclaimed by the recycling of my Coke bottles.

By Woody Bass

December 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Everyone… There is one thing to keep in mind here. If you are within a city limits (Lawrenceville, Snellville, Buford, Duluth, Norcross, etc)… this woudlnt apply. It only applies to UN-incorporated areas of Gwinnett.

If you are having to pay more… more than likely you are within a city who has a similar program. Now thats not to say that your not going to pay more regardless if you participate or not. I know trash fees are going up anyway… but to be specific.. you wont pay more specifically FOR participating in the recycling program.

By Michael H. Smith

December 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Thankfully I deal with the City of Lawrenceville and not the county for nearly all of my services including recycling.

Recycling is a common sense issue Woodrow. Though as the adage goes common sense is not common to all.

The bigger issue at the moment is recycling our present economy that has gone to waste. Gov. Purdue says he can’t wait on the messiah Dear Leader and The Polit Bureau to act on an economic stimulus program. So Good Ol’ Sonny intends to borrow-up us some money to get growing again.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/12/09/perduegeorgiastimulus.html

Got any ideas Woodrow? Like a Christmas wish list to give Good Ol’ Unca Sonny Clause (sic) to put underneath Gwinnett’s tree?

Please don’t forget to include a request that every present must have the “multiplier effect” label of made in, for and by citizens of the U.S.A. placed on every gift.

* :)*

By Dot

December 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Woody:

I live in unincorpareted Gwinnett County and I currently pay 15. /month. I as an individual was able to negotiate a lower price than your buddy could for 180,000+ homes.

She is correct that the recyling fee is included in the garbage, in fact apparently ordered 95 gl recyling bins. Which I might get filled in say a year or two. The fact of the matter is this is unconstitutional by all of my research, a government entity can not collect fees for a private organization - profit of non profit - pure and simple.

If you wish to participate so far it still remains your choice and that is what I’m fighting for. Retaining my choice. And lets not foget that Gwinnett Co and GCB are going to make profit off of each of us. Your statement regarding cities does not apply here as this sneaky program was put in place quietly, and only involves unincorporated Gwinnett County.

Would you like to have my 95 gl recyle bin?

By TruthTeller

December 10, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Get your facts straight before you decide to publish propoganda from the GCB. For many of the folks affected by the GCB’s iron fisted policy, our bills will be increasing - mine is going up $6.00 a month. If this program is so great, why is the GCB resorting to putting the sanitation bills on our property tax bills? Because they know the threat of a lien being placed against your property is the only way they can squash any opposition to their grand plan. I do not feel the tax commissioner’s office should be used as a bill collector for a private company; if I have legitimate complaints about the service, I will have no recourse because the charges will be on my property tax bill no matter what. For once in my life, I am rooting for Roy Barnes to win (and defeat the tactics of the GCB).

By Scarlett

December 10, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Al, Things are so different in N.Fulton. NO APT complex can be built without recycling facilities & I lived @ a very lg. apt. complex with 2 recycle centers. There was a big window and bins for dif. types of recycling & I never saw it misused. Roswell&Alpha have been doing this for OVER 20 years, all apt. & condos included. What IS Gwinnett’s problem? Our condo complex IS NOT ALLOWED to participate in curbside recycling. None in Gwinnett are, WOW! Making it hard to do the RIGHT thing!

By BW

December 10, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Scarlett as a condo owner, did the county pick the trash company or did the complex have a choice? Oh an Scarlett, it only applies to “Those People” in UN-incorporated Gwinnett. Plus Scarlett I own my home, I like a chance, which I used to have, who will be my trash company. And private, non-elected boards deciding what a taxpayers choice will be is bs.

“It only applies to UN-incorporated areas of Gwinnett.”, Woody, where do most of “The People” live in this county? What kind of chicken-dung defense is that?

By Laura

December 11, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Woody Woody Woody…..they gotcha bud. Sounds like the material for your column came directly from Clean and Beautiful’s promotional literature. Guess you needed a job for Christmas money just like the rest of us, bless your heart.

By troubled

December 12, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

It sickens me that this underhanded deal went through without so much as a vote or consensus by the actual residents they are trying to force to use their services. What is this a dictator ship? And how is it legal to attach this to a homeowners property tax. I want to join a class action suit against this monopoly - someone is getting kickbacks or favors for this…sounds like a recent governor’s plight…paying for favors!

By DS

December 12, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

Hey Woody-Can you read? I know I should not expect that from a Gator but the 2009 Solid Waste Ordinance as posted on wwww.gwinnettcbservices.org whom Ms. Wiggins is President of state that this is mandatory. She can blow smoke however you like but it is real.

I guess she wants to have Butch Conway swear and deputize four of her employees so they can issue citations for people to appear in recorders court why?

Get a clue Woody this is socialism at it s best. Why did a RFP not go out to manage this plan ad she gets $234k per month to do so?

By DS

December 12, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Come join the fight www.trashgwinnett.com

By BW

December 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Wait the commissioners have just got back from their $15,000 annual trip the the mount, mind you this is when they’re cutting jobs, kind of reminds you of AIG in Bush’s Bailout & Vacation Plan.

A few years ago, it gave us Bert’s Field of Dreams, what will they’ll bring this for Christmas?

By LT5000

December 12, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

People are recycling the AJC more and more.

Mainly because of the 3rd rate hacks like Woody and Blubbering Badie.

Soon it’s circulation will be at zero. Just imagine all those trees that will be saved.

LT5000

By BW

December 13, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

May I offer a suggestion, if WE ALL ignore LT the “What Recession Kid”, maybe, I doubt it, he’ll find new columns to be a pain in the a** with..

Now some may preach the Freedom of Speech, fine, no one has cut him off, he has all the freedom given to all and each of us to act like a**’s.

But no can destroy a discussion like LT the “What Recesion Kid” can, some may agree or disagree, but those are the facts.

Let’s have some fun ignore him and press on with the real issues.

By John Galt Jr.

December 14, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

You know the funny thing is, maybe not so funny, I manage a large warehouse in Gwinnett. Because of the markets, we cannot even GIVE away the cardboard and plastic we recycle. The markets are now flooded with recycled materials. It is cheaper now to make virgin plastic than recycled plastic. A mill in Gainesville just laid of 60 workers this week that dealt with recycled plastic for that very reason. Warehouses are filling up with stuff to be recycled because the market has dried up. It will be a very long time before the market comes back. I wonder where we are going to store the stuff we are being mandated to recycle or get the nazi garbage police fine us $500. I have an idea, the new ball field!

By BW

December 14, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

John this was an article I came across to show how wide spread this problem is.

This is an Upstate New York paper that I check in with once and awhile, funny it was one of the top articles…

http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2008/dec/14/1214_recycle/

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