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By Cindy

July 29, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

I get to be the first one to comment, well, as long as nobody is posting at exactly the same time :)

My comment is “no comment at this time.”

By Chuck

July 29, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

At least one of them is competent and honest, but I won’t say which one she is.

By Chuck

July 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Still, the best “head to head” comparison of realities and characters can be found in this debate - truly a classic:

http://www.atlantapressclub.org/debates/

By Paul

July 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Interesting - today’s scheduled debate at GJAC was cancelled. Seems that Bannister and Lasseter both simultaneously had something come up. Imagine that!

By roska

July 29, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

Actually the first Bannister/Green debate can be seen at this link:

mms://mediam1.gpb.org/ga/2008/APC08GwinettCoChair07102008_558kbps.wmv

Spend 30 minutes to watch this and tell me who you think understands the issues.

I actually wonder if Bannister has all his mental faculties after watching this.

By justin

July 29, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

How many is nearly 263 Police Officers? Breaking news; the drug task force was around years before Bannister took office, guess nobody told him.

By Thomas

July 29, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

Go by Bannister’s wife’s house anytime during working hours. Chances are, he will be at home. It amazes me how little he has done and how much he takes credit for. He gets someone else to write his speeches, then doesn’t even read it before he gives it. He sounds like a 4th grader with a reading problem. I think the twilight fog is a comin’ in.

By Cindy

July 30, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

Justin, nearly 263 is a very non-committal number huh?

Kinda like he was also just nearly a chairman?

Word games can be fun. I offer as proof, Bannisters answers.

By Paul

July 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

I remember the good old days - well, a couple of months ago, actually, when Bannister claimed that 900 plus police officers had been added on his watch. Sure, most of them left due to low pay, but what the heck, right?

Another fun fact - the Chairman’s office door was traditionally NEVER closed (except for high level meetings and naps) until Bannister’s regime. A most symbolic gesture.

By Bob

July 30, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

@ Woody

Great column theme. Timely too. Would love to see something new on a weekly basis if possible. Keep up the good work.

Not thrilled with the answers from the candidates, but that’s not your doing. I will be doing R&D before casting my vote.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 30, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Gee Paul, the candidates did debate yesterday, what did you do yesterday, huh Paul, huh?

Hard to believe that Bannister was the HOPE of the party last time around, so much in fact he beat the longest Republican ever to be elected in Gwinnett?

It will be interesting if he wins, will the same folks blasting him now be hypocrites and vote for him anyway, hmmm?

By Michael H. Smith

July 30, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

From today’s AJC Gwinnett:

The drought continues to take its toll on metro Atlanta’s water supplies, but Gwinnett County water customers are still answering the call to conserve, according to the county’s Department of Water Resources.

Average daily water usage was down to 77 million gallons a day as of last week, compared with 88 million gallons the year before, according to Lynn Smarr, the department’s acting director.

Of course, conservation has a flip side.

It means the agency has less money to work with, especially in tight economic times.

“We are being pinched on operating expenses because, like everyone else, fuel costs are going up, chemical costs are going up, power costs are going up,” she said.

~

I’m glad to see one candidate identified that local economy faces challenges in the coming days ahead. While neither candidate specifically directed their response to energy and water as they relate to the pending “financial crisis” confronting county government, it would have been nice to have heard Lorraine elaborate further on these two very crucial overlapping major issues that will impact all other issues.

By Woody Bass

July 30, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Bob: I try, but taking care of a stubborn 64 year old 600+ miles away has its challenges. I have a few already que’d up that I started while my dad was in surgery in Tampa that I am just putting some finishing touches on.

Michael: Which tax plan do you like best? :o)

By Tim

July 30, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Bruce, I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you. Democrat votes in Gwinnett don’t count for much.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 30, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

I don’t worry about it Tim, the Repuublicans could run the Devil himself and these fine Christians would elect him.

By Cindy

July 30, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Republicans and Christians are synonymous?

By Paul

July 31, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

Some of us have productive things to do and cannot wheel around on the taxpayer dime during business hours – sorry I missed the debate, but I understand that Lorraine again outed Bannister. Waiting for a response to “what have you actually DONE” from a virtual plastic bottle full of vinegar and water is not productive – sorry, much to do with little time to do it in. Ahhh, reality – what a concept!

By Bruce Wilcox

July 31, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

More strange reasoning from Paul,”Some of us have productive things to do and cannot wheel around on the taxpayer dime during business hours”, Paul has three posts, with this one, I’ll have three posts? Pauls are all made during normal business hours, except for this one, mine would be at lunch hour and after work? I guess it doesn’t matter anyway I’m retired.

You open your mouth up again a little too soon, made you loo a little foolish, gee that must be a real embarrassment for an insider like you.

So Paul seriously, “what did you do yesterday (Tuesday), huh Paul, huh?”

By Michael H. Smith

July 31, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

Woodrow -

Of the two proposed “consumption tax” plans I’d favor Green’s. Though at the moment, my focus is more on growing the tax base in this slowing economy to assure that more people have more disposable income. A restructure of taxes alone will not accomplish that objective. To meet that objective we will need a restructure of our economy by going “Green”.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 31, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

An a aside Lou…do you favor off-shore drilling?

By Grace

July 31, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Am I the only person that don’t like what Lorraine Green has done to her district? The Gwinnett Place area looks like Chinatown. I’m worried that the rest of Gwinnett will turn into a foreign country under her reign. She actually seems proud of the Gwinnett Place area, but I only go there now to shop at Costco. What happened to Global Station? The last I heard, asians are plannign to put a GROCERY STORE at the mall. How tacky!

By Paul

July 31, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Glad that you asked - yesterday I did the following:

Worked a short 9 but early (3 AM start) hour day (self-employed).

Picked up a trunkfull of trash around the neighborhood on the way to/from work.

Photographed a couple of zoning violations, filed complaints. The QOL resolved the first before the end of the day.

Made approx. 100 campaign calls on a phone bank.

Prepared 50-75 more personalized “Please Vote” post cards.

Drove two elderly ladies to and from early voting in Lawrenceville.

Finished up some arrangements for poll worker duty next week.

Delivered some collected donations to the Lilburn co-operative ministry.

Your turn Bruce - what did YOU do that was constructive?

By Chuck

July 31, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

Grace - Lorraine did not single-handedly trash up Gwinnett, its residents did. She also has not directed that specific nationalities MUST live in particular places. She has, however, been the primary force behind cleaning it up. I’ve been in the area for 25 years, and she’s done more than all the rest combined, including the zero accomplished by the chairman.

By Grace

July 31, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the reply Chuck. My first thought when I heard Green was running was to go and check out her district. I noticed changes, but I didn’t understand how that area could change so drastically. All of my favorite restaurants that were there are now gone and everything seemed to be replaced with asian businesses that I don’t know the name of because they are in another language. I remember talk of big things happening at Gwinnett Place, but I don’t see anything happening there now. What am I missing?

By Michael H. Smith

July 31, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

On the energy issue for the record to any party concerned, I’m with T. Boone Pickens and he is for using “everything” but “foreign oil” in making America energy independent. My only exception to that is drilling in ANWR - It remains off the table.

I strongly favor renewable energy in transitioning off of oil altogether.

Americans don’t need bailing out, we need bailing in an economy that produces jobs and better incomes that will remain in this country in the hands of U.S. Citizens. The best way to accomplish that is in the “Green Economy”.

Sadly, Congress has packed their bags, got out of D.C. and left the energy issue where it has been for the last 30 years - At the mercy of foreign governments that hate our American guts, while we pay them 700 billion U.S. dollars a year and a priceless fortune in American blood protecting that foreign oil.

It is past time for Democrats and Republicans to start acting like Americans!

By Bruce Wilcox

July 31, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

“So Paul seriously, “what did you do yesterday (Tuesday), huh Paul, huh?”

See Paul, as usual your ego took over, I could care less about Wednesday, I specially asked about Tuesday? The day you blasted Bannister for dropping out of the debate, when actually the debate did take place.

Paul being retired I do not, repeat, do not answer to anyone, I do not need to feed my ego or try to gain approval from anyone and last, but certainly not least, feel the need to blow my own horn.

I do not send out packets of myself with every news article and photo ever printed by the AJC or Gwinnett Post like you. You see Paul when someone sends out a package like that of themselves, I wonder who they’re trying to impress more, the one who received it or themselves.

Keep up the good work Paul, I’m sure you’ll keep us informed.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 31, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Lou, the more I study the problem off-shore drilling is not the answer, I’ll offer up several reasons, why keep feeding the monster, alternative energy is indeed the answer like you said, so why drill for more and more oil, the time it will take to actually get oil from the new wells, remember, it’s not like there is a big X in the ocean saying drill here, the oil companies still have rights in the Gulf and across the United States left untapped and by some researchers, not Liberal ones, in ten years all the drilling that is requested will be less than 2% of the worlds supply which means no effect on price.

Is it worth the chance, I say no, learn from the Europeans who have always paid far higher prices, small cars and trucks, mass transit and a great passenger railroad system.

By Michael H. Smith

July 31, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Have you got a real solutions Jesse, or just more hack garbage to trash up the issue? We will have to drill for more oil in the short term to transition off oil. Do some study and research. You might come back to thank old Lou.

By Paul

July 31, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

You asked, I answered - that was pretty much a typical day. Honest answer from me, nasty response from you. So, your turn, Bruce!

By Paul

July 31, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Awareness afterthought - apparently you are unaware that an afternoon debate, including both District 1 and Chairman candidates was indeed scheduled at GJAC - that would have been after the morning one downtown.

Still waiting - what didja do useful, huh, huh, huh?

By Bruce Wilcox

July 31, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Ten years isn’t the short term Lou, GM and Ford already dropped most of their SUV and pick-up lines to switch over to small cars and alternative fuel auto’s, there is a change already. How about nuclear energy, wind, hydro, I can remember up North many towns and villages had their own water turbines that could supply their own needs, solar, I’m sure there will be more.

But by adding this drop in the bucket amount risking our shorelines to keep feeding the pig that pollutes our air is insane, I guess it shows which party is owned, like the White House, by big oil. Gee, wonder why BIG OIL is breaking the old record profits with even larger ones wants to drill, like DUH!

Besides calling for mass transit and a better more complete passenger rail system, smaller cars and trucks that you ignored from the other comment what else do you want Lou?

By Bruce Wilcox

July 31, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

You Paul have a very serious comprehenion problem, have someone explain my last comment to you. Or when you want to chip in on my bills, then you can ask me what I do, till then?

Carry on.

By Michael H. Smith

July 31, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

So why drill for more and more oil, Jesse?

Quick answer: In place infrastructure.

Domestic oil can be brought into the marketplace in 3 years according to the experts in the field - not the wrongly used 10 years.

We don’t need smaller cars necessarily but we do need electric hybrids, flex fuel and tetra fuel cars like the Fiat that will be introduced in the Brazilian market this year that can use four different fuels: Gasoline, pure ethanol, Natural Gas and E85.

Natural gas and gasoline are the two most readily available fuel sources. The bio-fuels will have limited use until the industry can get up to speed. Nuclear, solar, wind and the necessary infrastructure to support the distribution of all this energy will all have to come into play.

A great passenger railroad system?

Gee, Jesse, didn’t old Lou tout a statewide rail system over that two county dominated mismanaged disaster that goes by the name of MARTA?

By Paul

July 31, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

No Bruce, you’re just lame - in more ways than one. Still no answer, huh, huh? I’m assuming that blogging is “it” for you - how sad.

By Sam

July 31, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Grace -

Yes, Gwinnett Place has changed. But, Lorraine nor any commissioner cannot say who will move in there. She also can’t say what type of store goes in at a mall.

As far as I can recall, the Global Village project simply fell victim to the economy - just like so many other projects around the country right now.

She has done a great job trying to turn around this district. She was the driving force behind the Quality of Life Police Unit. She had really helped our neighborhood.

I’m just sorry that her replacement will not live up to her!

By Bruce Wilcox

July 31, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

Lou, I admit you suggested a regional rail system, but the system I had in mine covered the state and country.

Lou your quick question, “Quick answer: In place infrastructure.” , Lou what do you call rails, it’s been there for years, rights of way already in place.

Now Lou, do you want the United States to keep giving Oil companies corporate welfare or rather funnel the same amount to improving AMTRAK?

Look at the Northeast corrider, the most traveled dailey in the United States. Of course you have major cities close together, here, which once the hub of the South, cities are farther apart. What saves more oil than that system?

Japan and all Europrean cities use high speed rail between cities great and small, yet here we still want to feed the pig, even build more roads for the hogs to line up on.

Lou, ever wonder why the United States is proud to have the most obese people and the highest medical costs? Probably don’t, maybe like most you’ll walk to the garage and drive to the library to do the research, better yet sit on your butt and research on the web.

Like Rome, like Rome…

Paul give it up, you know where I live, you admitted it on these blogs, stop by or call me, just like you looked me up before. Remember the writen words tell no lies.

Sorry Grace and Sam, you both had interesting points and sorry that I may have stepped over them, I shall remain silent.

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2008 2:21 AM | Link to this

BS Jesse. You had MARTA in mind period; and MARTA is not, and never will be a statewide system. Now you got AMTRACK, Wow… Hey, Jesse, what’s wrong with the idea of a transportation system making a profit, is it the anti-socialists capitalists part that gets to you the most? Perhaps it is the lack of government jobs and no room at the expanded public trough for teat-suckers? (oik, oik) Nice try but your attempted flip flop is pure crap!

Get a new menu to read from, will you Jesse? Those BANANA fringe talking points of “Build Nothing Anywhere Near Anything” aren’t worth quality methane - 70% of the country now favors offshore drilling.

You and Bannister share one thing in common with Mr. Obama on the issue of energy: You are all as lost as last years Ester Egg.

Too bad the county can’t capture the methane you guys put out. We could use all that cheap Natural Gas to power a few cop cars.

Oops, almost forgot (not really). I suppose we actually do capture your methane gas Jesse from the digesters at the water reclamation center in Buford to powers that facility in part - thanks to F. Wayne Hill.

By Paul

August 1, 2008 6:01 AM | Link to this

Another swing and a miss for Bruce - I answered his simple question, he responded with the usual nastiness, then refused to respond in kind. If he knew a tenth of what he thought he knew, he’d still have no clue.

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Speaking of nastiness did you read the GDP today ~ Conway defends honor ?

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

And the AJC.

http://www.ajc.com/gwinnett/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/08/01/sheriff_0801.html

By Paul

August 1, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Only the “Reader’s Digest” version of the story has been presented so far. The more of it that emerges from under the rocks, the uglier it’s going to be. Bannister has stepped in it and the stink won’t wash off for a very long time, even with long walks in “Da Nile”.

Couldn’t help but to notice that the Bill McKinney debacle was mentioned in the GDP piece. Let’s not forget that McKinney is Bannister’s long time business partner and political advisor.

I only say this because a couple of the ethics complaints flying around this story were mine - illegal campaign contributions WAY in excess of what’s shown up in print thus far. These also clearly refute Bannister’s denial of a relationship with Joe Newton, who made the “in kind” contributions. All in the public records. Stay tuned.

By Bruce Wilcox

August 1, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Lou the bigot, it had nothing to do with MARTA, MARTA wasn’t even mentioned, the side discussion was about offshore drilling and how it was just a republican fear tactic, works well on weak minds.

Here is my statement, “Is it worth the chance, I say no, learn from the Europeans who have always paid far higher prices, small cars and trucks, mass transit and a great passenger railroad system.”

How you can change the entire discussion on a national rail system like Europes to MARTA is a joke. Shows your playing a weak hand.

Loy what did you do for your community today, huh Lou, huh?

By Bruce Wilcox

August 1, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Hey Lou, where did Conroy get the recording? “department and played a recording in which Anderson said Norcross political activist Joe Newton had put him up to it.” Talk about dirty sneaky politics, the sheriff takes that cake?

Lou what did you do for your community today, huh Lou, huh?

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Jesse, BIGOT is your gig not mine. Since you’ve gone to down right lying as usual, the best thing I can do for the community and myself is today, is ignore YOU.

By Bruce Wilcox

August 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

No Lou, “Get a new menu to read from, will you Jesse? Those BANANA fringe talking points of”, even put banana in caps, no doesn’t sound like a bigot at all.

Ignore me because you cannot answer where Conroy got the tape?

Ignore me because your Jesse and MARTA attack had nothing to do with the discussion we were having?

Maybe because you didn’t do anything for your community today?

Ignore because you backed you butt into a corner?

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Facts on the lair Jesse. He did nothing but tout MARTA on several previous blogs, never mentioned AMTRACK once during that time. AMTRACK, which has been around for ages operates on Norfolk Southern rails located in the northern side of the county, as it has for quite some time.

Also, if this know nothing who fawns over Europe knew what he was talking about, then he would know that Europe is going with Natural Gas to power more of their automobiles. Outside of this country people actually have access to affordable cars made by the same car makers who sell in the U.S. that use alternative fuels and they have a choice of which fuel to buy at the pump. Just because the U.S. has about 75 years worth of Natural Gas supply why should we drill more to use what we have, lets just keep paying foreign countries that want to kill us for their oil. Oh and ride AMTRACK. Hey, but don’t tell anyone that AMTRACK doesn’t service 95% of this State or that the “Georgia Passenger Rail System” that I’ve touted on previous blogs - which the lair condemned while touting MARTA - actually has tracks in place that could service most of the cities in this State.

I’m sure everyone agrees what we need is AMTRACK and MARTA, a 2% mismanaged 100% government non-answer, only to ignore a 90% rail solution to service statewide transportation, with the possibility of less government involvement at taxpayer expense.

By Bruce Wilcox

August 1, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Oh poor Lou, “tout MARTA on several previous blogs”, what does that have to do with this blog? Like I said you have a bad hand to play.

Now it’s the “Georgia Passenger Rail System’ and not the Brain Train anymore? Gee I must have missed that great idea you came up with, care to point it out?

But your idea makes no sense, each state running it’s own railroads when we already have Amtrak? Another statement addressing the issue from me, “Japan and all Europrean cities use high speed rail between cities great and small, yet here we still want to feed the pig, even build more roads for the hogs to line up on.”

You expect the Norfolk Southern to adjust all the freight trains for Gwinnett can have a commuter train run downtown every half-hour, dreamer.

Unless it’s Amtrak which is already in place and with the power of the federal government behind them, it’s not going to work.

Europe has always been far ahead of us when to comes to any form of transportation, did you miss the part Lou where I said, “learn from the Europeans who have always paid far higher prices,”?

So Lou, except for the bigoted comments and the MARTA attack, all you did was reword what I have already written in this column and claimed them as yours.

btw…where did Conroy get the tape?

Me thinks you got Brain choo-choo Drain.

By Rage Against The Machine

August 1, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Bruce, what was wrong with what he done? What was violated. If I have missed something please enlighten me. Don’t be afraid, I can be extremely open minded at times. I promise I won’t judge you too harshly and call you Jessie

By Bruce Wilcox

August 1, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

Well Rage Against The Machine it’s like this, how did Conroy get the tape? Did he tap his phone, did he use a sheriff’s department wire when the man was under no kind of investigation? It’s a question of ethic’s and just plain honesty, where I come from unless it’s an offical investigation you have to inform the person he is being taped.

Plus I’m sure the entire tape was never provided and why would the guy flip? Was there a promise of something? The sheriff was on TV tonight pleading his case, the others involved say he’s full of it.

A Green supporter who is a sheriff taping someone secretly to use in a campaign against Green’s opponent doesn’t speak well of the sheriff or Green.

It’s bad enough no one in Gwinnett’s government believes in open government, but now the sheriff goes around secretly taping people?

Tell me Rage Against The Machine something doesn’t smell fishy in all this?

By Cindy

August 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

It’s all legit. Bruce I’m surprised you don’t know the true story behind it. But I’m not even going to talk about it further until you stop calling him Conroy. The other week when someone was calling you Brucie, that was uncool…and Conroy is uncool as well.

By Cindy

August 1, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

The sheriff was on TV tonight pleading his case, the others involved say he’s full of it.

What did you really expect them to do? Roll over and beg for mercy? Please! They’re under fire…they’re going to try to deflect attention from themselves. Good grief Bruce, you of all people should see through that crap.

Ok I just didn’t want to forget to say that…but…

…that’s all until you stop using that stupid name Conroy.

By Rage Against The Machine

August 1, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Nothing Illegal. No secret wire taps. No conspiracy. Just good old fashion CYA. For a Retired Fire captain from up North you appear to be just a wee bit politically naive. Mr. Newton and his indecisive little buddy are not victims here. They have made false accusations against Sheriff Conway and have been caught. If you want to play hardball? Be smart enough not to let youself be legally recorded doing the waffle dance.

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Oh poor Lou, “tout MARTA on several previous blogs”, what does that have to do with this blog? Like I said you have a bad hand to play.

It has everything to do with the topic YOU chose to change the subject to on in this blog. Having trouble keeping YOUR lies straight Jesse?

Oh and talking about bad hands to play do tell us Jesse which political party that promised an end to business as usual once they took control of Congress walked out on the energy issue in the House while the other party remained READY, WILLING AND ABLE to stay in session to work on the issue? Play that bad hand, Jesse.

Now it’s the “Georgia Passenger Rail System’ and not the Brain Train anymore? Gee I must have missed that great idea you came up with, care to point it out?

The Brain Train is part of the “Georgia Passenger Rail System” GEE, YOU certainly do miss alot. I have not changed my position on rail service one bit flip-flopper.

It is YOUR lack of an idea that is ludicrous and your reasoning is that of an idiot. Remember AMTRACK was your idea, not mine?

We should learn from Europe who have always paid far higher prices?

Oh, now that is so lame. Now we should pay higher prices? That is your answer? Look at the countries in question. They are smaller in land mass and many of them are socialist countries. This is America Jesse, I know you hate the liberty and capitalism that works free of government control in this country but contrary to your commi affinity the majority of Americans love their freedom of choice, hate their government competing in the marketplace against their businesses and decry things like AMTRACK and MARTA because they are rife with waste fraud and abuse that the taxpayers are always forced to pay for in bailing out these socialists welfare government entities from financial disasters.

You expect the Norfolk Southern to adjust all the freight trains for Gwinnett can have a commuter train run downtown every half-hour, dreamer.

I know the amount of daily freight traffic use that occurs on both the Norfolk Southern and the CSX rails lines going through this county. Those rails could handle commuter traffic as well with very little adjustment, if an adjustment were needed. Most importantly is the rights of way of both that that can be expanded for commuter rail, which MARTA, even in YOUR wildly delusional mind could never match. As for AMTRACK what does that service mostly out of state? How many people commute out of state to work?

Jesse you are the bigot that believes in multiple races not me. I reword your tripe? What a laugh. My comments are on record in the blogs anyone including you can review the archives of who said what and who supported what - Another worthless try, by you Jesse.

On the tape business, you should ask Butch Conway that question.

And for your information I’ve got alot better answers in my brain on energy than simply mass transit, idiotic cafe’ standards and the stupidity of refusing to drill for domestic oil and natural gas in favor of importing more and more foreign oil at 700 billion U.S. dollars a year. Some of those better ideas can be brought to fruition here in Gwinnett without waiting on other levels of a do-nothing government do nothing as usual.

Now what have you got Jesse, more and more government dependency, foreign oil dependency, P’ and moan non-answers?

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

Damn! I guess Georgia’s two Senators actually listen to at least some of what I had to say on energy. It can use a bit of dusting up but I can live with most of it better than I can accept Congress leaving town on vacation while Americans are facing hardships because of unreasonably high energy costs paid out to foreign governments.

http://www.isakson.senate.gov/press/2008/080108newerafacts.htm

By Rage Againstr The Machine

August 2, 2008 3:20 AM | Link to this

I’m Waiting Mr. Wilcox. (I must add with some nice Makers Mark. Yum;)

By Bruce Wilcox

August 2, 2008 4:28 AM | Link to this

Rage Againstr The Machine, up North we did it face to face, we didn’t record in secret. They have no idea what real politic’s are. If everyone was known to recording another they would be known as a scumbag forever more.

Have a sip for me mate.

By Bruce Wilcox

August 2, 2008 5:41 AM | Link to this

Lou I’m really trying to answer your ranmbling, but to be honest it’s just too hard, you make no sense. I’m not a scoialist, but being in the hinderlands like the South I may be consider so and will defend my position.

As far as the rails, I gave facts, you offer nothing more than if’s, no wonder you’re such a hit down here, wasn’t the famous last words of the General defending Atlanta, “IF Only I Hadn’t Given Up”.

Seems even the Dobbies and Republicans have given up, finally. Let the Feds decide our fate. Mass Transit and Amtrak, the only way to go. Write this down, within the next few years Gwinnett will be part of Metro-County Transit system. Won’t happen, did you ask about the stadium?

The service has ended, go in Peace.

By Michael H. Smith

August 2, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Hooey Jesse.

You’re trying to save some sense of face in the wake of suffering what has to be a very miserable defeat.

Time for reality Jesse (take your meds): The “Gang of Ten” mentioned nothing about MARTA, AMTRAK or educating us on the ways and means of Europe. In fact, nary a murmur of your socialists mass transit darlings was made in addressing the energy issue.

Need some more room to do your flip-flopping?

Like I said before Jesse, money is already on the table to begin parts of the “Georgia Passenger Rail System”, so read very, very carefully. Try to let the words sink into the void that exists between your ears this time and wipe MARTA out of your two left-eyeballs so you can read clearly.

It wasn’t just frustrated commuters celebrating recently after Gov. Sonny Perdue embraced plans to build two passenger rail lines linking downtown Atlanta with the suburbs.

Developers and other business entrepreneurs see rail stations along the planned routes — from Griffin in the south to Lilburn and Lawrenceville in the northeast — as focal points for the region’s next wave of growth. “We’ve got a lot of good communities that this will turn into superstars,” said Emory Morsberger, a Gwinnett County developer and chairman of a group of business leaders backing a proposed commuter rail line from Atlanta to Athens.

Perdue stood on the sidelines this year as lawmakers narrowly rejected a proposal to allow Georgians to vote by region whether to raise sales taxes to pay for needed transportation improvements.

The measure would have set the stage for a metro Atlanta referendum that likely would have included significant funding for the Atlanta-to-Athens and Atlanta-to-Griffin rail lines.

During the General Assembly session, the governor argued that pouring more money into road and transit projects before a planned overhaul of the agency would be throwing good money after bad. But that was before the latest spike in gasoline prices sent commuters scrambling for ways to get to and from work that didn’t involve driving.

“With standing room only on our express buses and gasoline at $4 a gallon, we need more transit options,” Perdue said June 12.

The governor called for making the Atlanta-to-Griffin rail line a state pilot project. The choice of the southern route over the Atlanta-to-Athens line was obvious.

Congress has provided $87 million of the $106 million needed to build the Griffin line as far as Lovejoy, 26 miles south of downtown Atlanta. On the other hand, only $13.5 million has been committed to the Athens line.

http://www.georgiabraintrain.com/admin/uploads/Businessridesonrailplans-AtlantaBusinessChronicle_.pdf

These are the facts Jesse. All you got is ifs’ and more MARTA BS.

“$13.5 million has been committed to the Athens line”

Money talks and as we all know, BS walks.

Enjoy your hike Jesse.

By Michael H. Smith

August 2, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Alas, Alas, has it come to pass Tucker, Wooten, Bookman and all other sayers of nay, for we now stand on the brink of the hydrogen economy verily once philosophized to come. For in the days of 2008, from yon MIT hath a major breakthrough befallen upon us one and all. Solar cells that produce Hydrogen on the cheap.

Make America Energy Independent

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/us/01hydrogen.html?ref=environment

By Bruce Wilcox

August 3, 2008 1:55 AM | Link to this

Hey Lou, under republicans both the state and the feds are broke, what Sonny says and reality are two different things.

The Georgia Passenger Rail System and the Brain Train sorry to say only exsist on paper, nothing more.

Maybe our federal, state and county leaders will get their heads out of their butts long enough to see the polluton that is killing us.

“My Friend”, I promise the world and even lower your taxes! You Southern Republicans and the Dobbies live in some lind of la-la land, being a Yankee I cannot understand the concept of cutting taxes while letting services go down the tube, yet you say nothing the change suntil it effects YOU?

Cindy and Rage, this line is a riot Cindy., “It’s all legit. Bruce”, how and where was it done, were you and Rage there? Legit, legit, a Sheriff only for political reasons secretly records someome falls in that fine line of what is is? Hey, no one is running against the sheriff, all he is doing is a very underhanded tactic supported by Green.

Now understand, New York politicans are not angels by any means, but we do not elect back-stabbers.

Any questions?

Just think what it does to the kids.

By Michael H. Smith

August 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

Jesse the nostalgia is very touching, reminiscent of the country under the Jimmy Carter Democrat years: Broke, double digit inflation, a triple digit economic misery index and we were all biting the bullet while shivering in the dark listening fireside chats that darn near had us biting the dust!

Wise up Jesse, the American people may bend but they will never break, in spite of the two self-serving political parties that would have us all broke.

After King Roy E. Barnes author of Georgia’s Back Room Deal, the State and Sonny were looking at the reality of broke. It wasn’t what Sonny said that changed all that; it was what Sonny did with that bleak reality. Never underestimate what Sonny will do with reality.

Thanks for the barb Jesse, maybe it will stick in Sonny’s gut. Nothing sets that man’s determination to do something like an intimidation that says what Sonny can’t do.

Sorry forgot to mention printed on all that paper exists the faces of dead Presidents, with the words “this note is legal tender for all debts, public and private”.

Nah, nah, Sonny, you can’t make that old Brain Train roll… you just can’t, can’t, can’t do it, because the Roy Rat liberal mice say you can’t!

If Jesse and the Kool-aid drinking bedwetting tree-hugging Environmental-nut jobs get their heads out of our butts long enough to find a brain they might begin to reason that no matter who is in office, no matter what we do immediately/short term if the New Energy Reform Act of 2008 does not become law and we continue to do nothing, then this country will use more and more oil and that will cause more and more pollution, and more and more loss of national wealth. Mass Transit will not change one damn aspect of that reality, neither will caps n’ trades nor will café standards make any meaningful difference. In very point of fact, we can no more conserve our way into energy independence than we can long term drill out of an oil dependency.

What will change our course and seal our fate and future destiny for the better is to use what resources we have to keep our American dollars here at home working for us rather than working against us as foreign debts accruing compound interests.

Provided, The Speaker of the New Plantation House of the “Polit Bureau”, Comrade Pelosi and the Senate’s Polit Leader, Comrade Reid are willing to reconvene and get the “Gang of 10” comprise bill written into law.

New Energy Reform Act of 2008 Roadmap to a Secure Energy Future

Overview: Knowing that the rising cost of energy is the number one issue facing Americans today, ten Senators from both sides of the aisle have come together to present a proposal to reduce gas prices, lessen our dependence on foreign oil, and strengthen our economy. The New ERA legislation represents a true compromise, incorporating common sense ideas.

The purpose of the legislation is to transition our economy – particularly the surface transportation sector – to run off alternative fuels other than gasoline and diesel. The legislation dedicates at least $20 billion in the next ten years to this important endeavor.

To ease gas prices in the interim, the New ERA bill includes significant conservation provisions and targeted, responsible measures to increase our domestic production of traditional fuel sources. Any new domestically produced resources must stay in the United States. The bill will also establish a National Commission on Comprehensive Energy Policy to identify critical “inhibitors and prohibiters” to the goals established in the bill and to make recommendations to Congress on policies to overcome these obstacles as well as to address related matters such as carbon capture and storage, nuclear and renewable energy, and the need for upgrading and transitioning the national grid and other energy infrastructure.

The New ERA bill contains three main components:

An intensive effort to transition vehicles to non-petroleum based fuels;

A robust federal commitment to conservation and energy efficiency; and

Targeted, responsible domestic production of energy resources.

Converting Cars and Trucks to Non-Oil Fuel Sources to Regain Energy Independence

The New ERA legislation funds a $20 billion “Apollo Project” like effort to support the goal of transitioning 85% of America’s new motor vehicles to non- petroleum-based fuels within 20 years. To accelerate this transition, the legislation includes:

$7.5 billion for R&D focused on the major technological barriers to alternative fuel vehicles, such as advanced batteries;

$7.5 billion to help U.S. automakers and parts makers re-tool and re-equip to become the world leader in making alternative fuel vehicles;

Consumer tax credits of up to $7,500 per vehicle to incentivize Americans to purchase advanced alternative fuel vehicles (those that run primarily on non-petroleum fuels) and up to $2,500 to retrofit existing vehicles with advanced alternative fuel engines.

Enhancing Conservation

To ease gas prices and protect our environment during the transition, the proposal includes a significant federal commitment to promoting conservation and efficiency. These include: Extending renewable energy, carbon mitigation and energy conservation and efficiency tax incentives, including the production tax credit, through 2012 to create greater certainty and spur greater investment;

New consumer tax credits of up to $2,500 to purchase highly fuel efficient vehicles, to help Americans reduce their annual gas costs and reduce oil imports;

Extending and expanding the $2,500 tax credit for hybrid electric vehicles;

$500 million for R&D into new materials and other innovations to improve vehicle fuel efficiency;

$2.5 billion in R,D&D on next generation biofuels and infrastructure;

Tax incentives for the installation of alternative fueling stations, pipelines and other infrastructure;

Expanding transmission capacity for power from renewable sources;

New dedicated funding for the weatherization assistance program.

Responsible, Targeted Domestic Energy Production

To help meet our energy needs until our economy transitions to advanced alternative fuel vehicles, the New ERA bill increases domestic energy production in environmentally responsible ways. The legislation: Provides a CO2 sequestration credit for use in enhanced oil recovery to increase production from existing oil wells while reducing greenhouse gas emissions;

Opens additional acreage in the Gulf of Mexico for leasing (in consultation with the Defense Department to ensure that drilling is done in a manner consistent with national security) and allows Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia to opt in to leasing off their shores. Retains an environmental buffer zone extending 50 miles offshore where new oil production will not be allowed. Requires all new production to be used domestically. Creates a commission to make recommendations to Congress on future areas that should be considered for leasing. Provides for appropriate revenue sharing for states that allow leasing off their shores;

Provides grants and loan guarantees for the development of coal-to-liquid fuel plants with carbon capture capability. Plants must have lifecycle greenhouse gas emissions below those of the petroleum fuels they are replacing;

Supports nuclear energy by increasing staff at the NRC, providing workforce training, accelerating depreciation for nuclear plants, and supporting R&D on spent fuel recycling to reduce nuclear waste.

Speculation

The Group decided to focus on increasing supply and reducing demand and will await the mid-September report of the CFTC to consider this subject.

Offsets

The $84 billion in investments in conservation and efficiency in the New ERA bill will be fully offset with loophole closers and other revenues. Approximately $30 billion will come from new revenues from the oil and gas industry through such measures as modifying the Section 199 manufacturing deduction for oil and natural gas production and other appropriate measures to ensure that the federal government receives its fair share of revenue from Gulf of Mexico leases. Remaining offsets will be finalized in consultation with the Finance Committee after accounting for interaction effects with other pending legislation.

By Bruce Wilcox

August 3, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

Hey, hey Lou, remember the last time you had a temper tantrum like this you blew out your Depends.

Hey Lou, is that old mind going too, Jimmy Carter was way back in the 70’s, right after Ford who left all those ‘WIN’ buttons around, that’s ‘Whip Inflation Now’ for the uninformed, so besides the inflation Ford left him along with a 7% unemployment rate, it’s all Jimmy’s fault, my, my, but you Southerners have such a selective memory.

Now I do believe that the one who was awarded the white house by the Supremes was left with a surplus? I also believe that Roy left this state in fine shape, as did the Democratic leaders of 1985.

As far as Sonny who broke his racist promise to bring the flag of defeat back, let two American auto makers close their eorgia plants without a wimper, why he was in Korea kissing KIA’s butt.

Now go and change your Depend, like your writing, it is starting to stink.

By Michael H. Smith

August 4, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

Hey Jesse get a brain and a better grip on the reality after Roy. You still can’t get over the fact Gwinnett voters told you NO on MARTA. Just thought I’d rub it in one more time to keep you steamed.

And by the way, where the hell is “eorgia”?

Jesse you pathetic egomaniac, you are no one to critique stench or writing abilities. LOL

By Bruce Wilcox

August 4, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Big fingers, small keyboard or “eorgia” used to be Georgia, but under Republican control it’s falling apart, I guess it Depends on how you look at it.

btw…when your only retort is a typo shows all you’ve got is moosedung.

By Micheal H. Smith

August 6, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Yeah, yeah. Any old excuse will do dumb-a* !

By Scott

August 6, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

It will take more than stemming the tide of illegal immigrants to make a difference in Gwinnett. It will take a reversal of illegal immigration and a removal of all illegal immigrants. And yes, it can be done.