Norcross.Talk

By LT5000

July 30, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

The biggest eyesore in Gwinnett County is the illegal immigrants. Clean those up and the county will clean up.

Or we could institute a program that teaches them to use trashcans and lawnmowers. Also another program that teaches to buy several crappy cars and park them on the grass.

LT5000

By Woody Bass

July 30, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

I knew someone would say that.

By Last American

July 30, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Sorry Woody - but I have to agree with LT5000. This would also help decrease the work load for the Gwinnett County Code Compliance Depts and the Police Dept.There would be less traffic and it would give jobs back to Americans. One other thing, they always seem to do everything in front of their homes -never in the back yard. Swing Set, plastic pools, bikes, pickup trucks, etc. we have all seen it. Went to Panama City Beach on vacation. Went to Winn Dixie - yes one still exist. I felt like I was in America - it was a beautiful week without a mexican.

By LT5000

July 30, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Woody,

The name of the bar with the dragon head is “El Imperio”. It’s right down the street from “El Conejo Loco”.

What do you think the clientele for these establisments are? That’s right, the same people who are turning Norcross into the barrio.

LT5000

By single parent w/2 girls

July 30, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Good try Woody. I like diversity and enjoy other cultures. I also like the dragon head on JCB. Everybody is tired of the immigrant bashing. If you don’t have anything nice to say - don’t type. I like hearing folks opinions on the topic at hand. Of course I also like the pink houses and sea blue houses when well maintained. However, we have one house in our neighborhood that is the Watermellon house - watermellon pink and green. That is a bit much but to each his own.

By LT5000

July 30, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

I hate to break it to single parent w/2 girls, but diversity is not people treating Norcross like a barrio of Mexico City.

And someday your 2 little girls will be going to school with the lovely cholo gang bangers in the neighborhood.

We’ll see how you feel about “diversity” then.

LT5000

By charliejoe

July 30, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

You know what’s the biggest eyesore in Gwinnett? LT5000’s POS car. Thankfully he just bought a new one so I don’t have to look at that cholo-mobile anymore.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 30, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

The strip mall on Indian Trail that did not look all that great in 1993 and still has not had an improvement. I think the sign states Indian Hills Shopping Mall, the bar the Office is there, a real gun shop. a Subway, gee not one Mexican place in sight and the place looks like crap, go figure.

One that bothers me and I can not understand why it was even built, the empty gas station thats sits on Indian Trail besides Lowes. I think it was a Hess station for a couple of months.

I like a little color in the community, some want things to be so proper and drab, they must be a lot of fun at a party.

By Pam

July 31, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

There were several eyesores in the city of Lawrenceville, but thanks to Mayor Milsaps, the entire downtown historic district is being cleaned up.

Now, if the unincorporated Lawrenceville would catch up. The WORST eyesore is the corner of Highway 20 and Highway 316. All four corners are BIG eyesores and I wish Kevin Kenerly would approve some good for that area. However, it’s not Hamilton Mill (his area of residence), so I’m sure he doesn’t give a hoot. I can’t wait another opportunity to vote him out.

By delois

July 31, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

After reading the article in today’s AJC on the prostitution/drug problem at the corner of Brookwood Pkwy. and Indian Trail, I would think that corner might be the worst eyesore in Gwinnett.

By Michael H. Smith

July 31, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Uh,…Pam, Unless Kevin changes his mind you’ll not be able to vote him out. He’s not running for D4 commissioner seat again.

By LT5000

July 31, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Brucie likes to keep his eyes wide shut when it comes to the fact that the illegals are destroying Norcross.

He ignores the trash strewn lawns, junk cars and gang signs, but claims the one place on Indian trail that doesn’t have a Mexican place is junky looking. Actually, it’s not that bad. Especially when compared to the Singleton Rd/JCB intersection.

I was at the Kroger nearby last night and watched our friends from the South filling up their baskets with WIC products.

Of course, Papi was behind them in line with the snacks and beer. Nice to see them dining so well on my tax dollars. You think they could learn to use a trashcan as a courtesy for my generosity.

LT5000

By Sandy_G

July 31, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

There a lot of eyesores in Lilburn, but the worst one is a now closed carwash at the intersection of Highway 29 and Pleasant Hill Road. This business, which sits in a prime location at one of the busiest intersections in Gwinnett County, has been closed for over 2 years now. Weeds 3 -4 feet tall are growing up through the parking lot and the building and signs are literally falling to pieces. Someone with code enforcement needs to find the owner of this property and make them clean it up.

Ditto to the gas station and old Sonics restaurant directly across the street. A Developer bought this property almost two years ago with plans to build a retail/office building which has never been started. Both the gas station and the Sonics have overgrown vegetation and detiorated, dilapidated exteriors. What ought to be a beautiful gateway into the City of Lilburn just looks horrible.

By miso

July 31, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

One eyesore that crosses many cities and counties is Buford Hwy. That has got to be the seediest road I have ever seen. The cities and counties need to tackle this eyesore.

By skebum69

July 31, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Never did I think Memorial and Moreland in downtown would be better off than JCB! Sad but it’s true. With certain individuals brings lack or morals, crime, vandalisim and garbage.

By johndawg

July 31, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

I remember moving to Norcross in 1984. Jimmy Carter Blvd was a thriving street. I remeber going over to Green’s Corner across from the bowling ally. That was the place where the high school kids hung out and went to movies. It was the place to be… now, it’s just another strip mall with a run down sign.

I have a hard time driving by these places today. It’s truely sad to see how run down Norcross and the surrounding areas has become. People just giving up on the area or leaving as property values declines as the migrants and illegals moved in the area.

I am in N. Fulton now, and I wonder how long it will take or if the same thing will happen to Alpharetta, John’s Creek or Milton.

By TC

July 31, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

There’s an eyesore right next to the National Guard armory in Lawrenceville. A house full of Mexicans with a comparable number of chickens running around the back yard.

I just want to know when the goats are going to show up.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 31, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

About the intersection of Highway 29 and Pleasant Hill Road, don’t worry, there are three new strip malls going in just down the road on Pleasant Hill. Kind of makes you wonder what they’re thinking when they approve these projects?

I wish there was a law that says if a property is abandoned for a year the county takes it over and HAS to turn it back into Green Space.

By Last American

July 31, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Dear TC - You will know when the goats have arrived. Your street will be filled with Mexicans - it’s like a huge celebration when they cook the goats. I went through this on my street. I saw a man carrying a dead animal over him shoulder and putting it in his shed. I heard they cut the head off and bury it in the ground.
The chickens - they eat them also. I had to call the Environmental Control Dept. What is an eyesore in Norcross - the way these people live and destroy everything.

By RCH

July 31, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Maybe I should move to Mexico, all the Mexicans will be living in Norcross.

When I graduated from College i moved to Norcross. It was a great place to live. You couldn’t drag me back there. Yes, I do live in Alpharetta. Hopefully the homes are so expensive here that we can never be invaded.

By lilkris

July 31, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Hey JohnDawg…I remember Greens Corner too. It was a nice place to go and be around your friends and catch a movie. Not anymore… I refuse to drive down Jimmy Carter BLVD anymore because it’s so depressing seeing EVERY sign in Spanish and Pawn Shops on every corner. This is what America has become….

By Morticia Aadams

July 31, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

OMG!! You people are just a bunch of redneck racists! WTF? And I just LOVE how you say, “I just feel like I’m not in Ah-meri-kkk-a anymore — what with all the Mexicans around. Damn illegals!”

Get over yourselves already.

By Al

July 31, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

I nominate the ever-growing number of shells that were once big box stores or shopping centers in the Gwinnett Place area. Harry’s Farmers Market, HiFi Buys, Hobby Lobby are gone… and what about that huge shopping center whree the Kroger used to be? It’s on prime real estate right next door to the mall, yet the place looks like a ghost town! What a waste, and a shame!

By Al

July 31, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Oops, forgot to mention all the brand-new-soon-to-be-half-empty strip malls popping up all over the area. There’s one right down the street from my house that’s been finished for several months now, yet it sits completely vacant. I guess it’s kinda hard to fill it with businesses when there’s so many other options available (the dozen or so other strip malls being built just down the road).

By LB

July 31, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Take a stroll down Pleasant Hill Road. This used to be a street filled with busy stores and restaurants. In the areas near Atlanta Toyota going toward 29 it’s just vacant building one right after another. All new construction is made by tearing up green space and nobody renovating used buildings. What a shame. It looks like a ghost town minus the tumble weeds. Other places are like being in another county.

By alecia

July 31, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

We need to get rid of the rednecks/white trash. The Mexicans everyone mentioned are learning to park their cars in the yard from the locals. In Latin America the majority of the houses don’t even have a yard. I own a few properties in the area. Most times when I complain about a zoning violation(cars in the yard,trash,inoperable vehicles,ect) the culprit has an English surname. Infact, I just made a complaint against a house in one of my neighborhoods that leaves engine parts in the yard, cars on blocks, and trash in a flat bed trailer in the driveway. Yes, the residents are white Americans. Just saying trashiness comes in all colors. LT5000, you mentioned that the hispanic you saw in the store didn’t use a trash can. Just out of curiosity, did you follow him home and stalk him? ewww Also, are you saying that you knew that the man in line with you was an illegal, receiving welfare. Why didn’t you call INS? If you know that these people are here illegally just call INS. Don’t whine about it.

By Woodie

August 1, 2007 7:13 AM | Link to this

The biggest eyesore to me is the traffic. I could care less about the old rotting buildings and stripmalls. It’s the traffic that I hate. And the SUV’s. Why anybody would want to own an SUV is beyond me. SUV’s are big ugly boxes of metal that spew emissions. The reasons for owning them are even more stupid. People want to “sit high”. Dumbest excuse I’ve ever heard for a vehicle purchase. I think they should have intelligence tests at car dealerships.

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

You don’t call INS to report illegal aliens they no longer do enforcement, it’s now ICE you have to call. But don’t waste their time you’ll get no where with them. Of course, if we had a Sheriff like Cobb County has we might be able to call someone who really cares. Our Sheriff, as it appears - excuse the expression - has officially gone to the dogs.

By Anonymous

August 1, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Why on earth is construction still permitted when, as everyone’s pointed out, we already have a ton of abandoned and empty buildings just sitting there?

Tear ‘em down and rebuild on the same space if you want to open up a shop. Sheesh. Show a little common sense, folks!

By Michael H. Smith

August 1, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Sorry Anon, I feel your pain but to do the common sensible thing, it would take something very practical. Like a Statewide Concurrency Law in order to change the ground rules governing development. Otherwise developers will build with reckless profitable abandon as they virtually please.

By LT5000

August 1, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Alecia,

Pull your head out of your culo. Every code violation arrest I have seen has a spanish surname.

Your propoganda doesn’t work here. Feel free to check out what the Illegal invader have been up to by stopping by the Gwinnett County Detention Center site.

DUI’s, Drugs, Assault and everything else. Not too many Non-Hispanics getting arrested in the 30093 zip code.

Add that to the number of social services, such as WIC, that these people free load and you can see exactly what these people give to this country. Nothing.

LT5000

By Bruce Wilcox

August 1, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

LT5000 why don’t you sign on as a Jr. Code Enforcement Officer and get Mr. Smith to become a Jr. ICEman, what fun the two of you could have. Buy an old police car and paint the side with, ready, “ICECODE” enforcers, instead of a light bar a big eyeball that goes round and round. Here is another idea, follow the ice cream truck around to let them know you’re coming, Ding-a-Lings, Ding-a-Lings…

By LT5000

August 1, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Here comes Brucie with another asinine statement. No one will ever accuse him of being witty or intelligent.

I care enough about my neighborhood that I have called Code Enforcement several times.

You really should be more concerned, as well. I realize that you like to cruise the Home Depot parking lot for the young cholos, but some of us in Norcross actually care about the neighborhood.

Maybe you should paint your car pink and call it the Puto Mexicano mobile.

LT5000

By LT5000

August 1, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Now the latest scumbag immigrant admissions to the Gwinnett county Detention Center:

ESCOBAR DELEON HENSON UDIEL 501 WILOW TRAIL, NORCROSS GA 30093 @ * CHILD MOLESTATION/AGG CHILD MOLES

ORTIZ-GONZALEZ ALIN BETUEL 1243 SHERWOOD DRIVE, NORCROSS GA 30093 *VGCSA COCAINE

LOPEZ-FLORES JESUS 3105 PARK COLONY DRIVE, NORCROSS GA 30093 DISORDERLY CONDUCT

Still want to stand up (Or bend over and spread ‘em) for these people Brucie??

LT5000

By Anonymous

August 1, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

So, since today’s topic is NOT about illegal immigrants, how about everyone agrees to just ignore LT5000’s ravings and move on to something more meaningful?

By charliejoe

August 1, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

First of all to Mark: Thanks for bringing it down a notch. Did you forget to mention how the Jews control all the banks and the Muslims are all scimitar-weilding sheiks who rape camels? Jeez.

And Bruce, I don’t know why you cannot see anything (and I mean ANYTHING) bad or wrong with anything any Mexican has ever done, but try to be a little more open-minded (in the form of seeing things the way they are, not the way you wish they could be. Ignoring reality and deliberately trying to muddy the issue is being more closed-minded than LT5000.) Try a happy medium. Accept certain facts but also point out the good things. Like the hot mamis.

By Morticia Aadams

August 1, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

How about ignoring Mark’s stupid, racist comments about the “nigs,” too.

Mark — FYI. I really can’t stand your raggedy @ss. If I saw you in the street, I beat kick your butt. And I’m a girl. You wuss.

By Akagi

August 1, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

When I had the misfortune of living in Gwinnett I had to call code enforcement on three houses and none were owned or occupied by Hispanics—one was occupied by a bunch of white trash—the so-called parents letting the children run around the neighborhood at all hours of the night which included breaking into a foreclosed house which they then vandalized and trashed as well as vandalizing various fences and mailboxes in the neighborhood. They kept an unmovable truck with its bed filled with trash in the driveway and another unmovable car on the street without tags—it took months and various calls to the GC code enforcement people before they moved the truck into the garage and the car was removed.

A few doors down was a black family who piled trash five feet high in front of their garage door, let the siding on their chimney rot off the house so you could actually see the stove pipe, let their gutters fall off the house and had a giant blue tarp on their leaky roof for months. Again it tooks months for me to get the code enforcement people to do anything about them.

Then next door a rental owned by whites in another county and rented to a black “couple” complete with their out-of-state spawn from previous partners coming to live with them each summer. The backyard had piles of debri and a dead tree that stood for months as well as the front yard at times looking like the African Savanna.

When I had my fill of Gwinnett and that neighborhood, my house was bought by a couple from Latin America and they unlike the rednecks and black couples I mentioned keep my former house well maintained. It is not about color or race, it is about pride and ownership.

Homeowners in general keep up their homes. Renters, especially section 8 renters, in general are too lazy to even cut the grass on a regular basis and there are plenty of blacks and whites that fit that description.

So, LT, rundown properties are not restricted to just Hispanics or just to illegal aliens. Plenty of native born Americans are guilty as well and many immigrants actually take pride in their homes and keep them well maintained.

By Mark

August 1, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Morticia Aadams Don’t kill the messenger. Just because you choose to ignore facts, don’t label me. Open your eyes!

By MB

August 1, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

My favorite eyesore, that I have become quite fond of, is Kay Kim. I used to scoff at her smiling face as I drove down I-85, but now I recognize her as a sign that I’m finally almost home!

By Bigredd115

August 1, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

I bet the way some of you are talking about what the Mexicans do to your neighborhoods when they move in is the same way you talk about what the Blacks do to your neighborhoods when they move in. It’s just sad.

By Gwinnett Sucks

August 1, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Gwinnett County is a toilet. The schools are terrible, most of the real estate is stagnant, and the illegals problem is rampant. Forsyth and Cherokee have it together and are much nicer places to live, so why would anyone want to live in this sess pool of Gwinnett County?????

By Morticia Aadams

August 1, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

My problem with you, Mark, is that you consistently refer to Black people using derogatory and racist terms such as “niggs.”

I’m taking steps to report your IP address to ajc.com. What a ‘tard you are.

By Bruce Wilcox

August 1, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

charliejoe it is not because I can see no wrong, it is because people screamed about the Immigration Bill, granted not the best, but we could tax them at least. So now I have to listen to the same boo-hooing rednecks for the next two years, the ones who fought so hard not to do anything about it.

I purchased a single family home here in 93’, the county has gone down hill, empty box stores, crappy strip malls, sub-divison after sub-divison the entire county is over developed, did illegals approve the changes?

Back to my single family home, what part of single family confuses the commissioners? Look what Cobb is doing and other counties, Gwinnett comes up with a feel good law that didn’t have many teeth to begin with, Snell Construction says I’m not going to play, the county backs off and says all you have to do is sign one piece of paper saying all 600 of your employees are legal and we’ll take your word for it. Now it doesn’t have any teeth at all.

If the county has weak laws on how many people can live in a single family home, related or not, it’s not the illegals fault. If it took the county this much time to finally start addressing the problem it’s not the illegals fault. If there is weak enforcement of the employment laws that been around since 1986, it’s not the illegals fault.

Hey my property and it’s value is effected like everyone elses, but when you fight against laws to try to control it, stop whining.

I just get tired when the same bigots blame all the worlds woes on illegals, if all the illegals magically disappeared tomorrow the same ignorant bigoted rednecks would be blaming another group and that you can take to the bank.

By Akagi

August 1, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Please Morticia instruct us how you plan to get his IP address unless you are planning on hacking the ajc.com site. Since the AJC runs this site, they are no doubt aware of the poster’s IP address—if they cared.

and Bigredd115:

From what I have seen, I have yet to see a house occupied by blacks that had ten and 15 adults crammed into a house designed for four, nor goats and chickens in the backyard. But as I posted before, this topic is not about illegal aliens, but eyesores and whites and blacks and anyone else are guilty of creating them as well—this is not restricted just to Hispanics or illegal aliens.

Gwinnett Sucks:

Yes I agree mostly, why do you think I left, but Cherokee is no paradise either.

By LT5000

August 1, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

I hate to break it to the people on this board, but it is about illegals treating the city like their own personal trash dump. Those gang signs painted all about aren’t Redneck gangs Anonymous.

To complain about eyesores, isn’t only restricted to commercial locations, but to individual homes as well.

It’s a sad fact, but almost every house with numerous cars and trash strewn about is occupied by a hispanic group. Not racism, just cold hard facts.

LT5000

By Akagi

August 1, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Sorry LT:

But the houses that I reported in my neighborhood when I lived in Gwinnett as I said in one of my previous posts were occupied by whites and blacks, not Hispanics. The “gang tags” that were spray painted on our mailboxes, fences and the foreclosed house was done by the spawn of white trash, not by Hispanic gang members—and I might add if these little thugs would face what they would face in Singapore—caning from a rattan cane, we would see much less of this.

In contrast, many homes that are occupied and owned by Hispanics are well kept. Again this is not a Hispanic only issue or an illegal only issue. Blacks and whites can be just as trashy.

By LT5000

August 1, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Akagi,

Unless this was 20 years ago, I don’t believe a word of what you write.

LT5000

By Sandy_G

August 1, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

In response to the observations made by other posters about the huge amount of empty retail space in Gwinnett and new retail space being built literally across the street from it, the solution is easy and just common sense. You don’t have to restrict new development of retail space, you simply make it cheaper to redevelop older retail space.

You do that by first, coming up with a list of all of the empty or underutilized retail space available for redevelopment in Gwinnett. Then, you pass an ordinance giving developers tax incentives to redevelop the properties. Then, for undeveloped, “green” properties, you impose fees for sewer, street, and utility connections that will make it more expensive to build new than it is to redevelop the old. In the Hwy 78 corridor, for instance, there is almost 1 million square feet of empty retail space and I’m sure areas around Gwinnett Place Mall, Pleasant Hill Road, etc. have similar amounts of empty space.

Cobb County already has a program like this in place, so Gwinnett officials wouldn’t have to travel to Seattle or the North Georgia mountains to learn how to do this. For developers, older properties can be a win-win situation because the infrastructure like sewer lines, water lines, gas lines, electric hookups, etc. are already in place. Old shopping centers can become mixed use residential/retail villages, office buildings, etc.

The other option would be for the county to purchase these properties and use them to build schools, fire stations or county office buildings. No trees have to be cut down and the county gets prime real estate at a reduced rate.

However, all of this requires innovative thought and an admission that we need to start doing things differently and planning Gwinnett based on an urban model rather than a suburban one. Maybe someday, someone in county government will open their eyes to what uncontrolled and unrestricted growth has done to our county and start trying to direct the developers rather than simply rolling over for them again and again.

By Woody Bass

August 1, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Wow. Theres some love goin around today I see!

By Jonny

August 1, 2007 11:36 PM | Link to this

We all know, KNOW, that any race can be trashy. But what is that proving? Let us be honest and un-PC for a moment, in the name of truth and honesty: With the immigrant population has come more crime, more litter, and greater demand for social services. And the jumps in the above three are grossly out of proportion to the number of illegals.

When people say something like “well, whites can be just as trashy” I instantly discredit them. That’s like saying about the male prison population that, “well, women can be just as criminal as men.” True, but it so happens that men are far far far more likely to commit crime than women by a 9 to 1 margin.

Do you get my point? Just because a white can live 20 to a house doesn’t make your argument any good. We are not talking about the exceptions, we are talking about the overwhelmingly disproportionate rule that the immigrant invasion has brought crime, litter and general seediness by a far greater proportion than the whites, pound for pound, cause in Gwinnett.

If you want to live in a third world country, let’s keep ignorant and do nothing about the influx of illegals from countries that lack basic water, sewer, water, respect for law or women, etc. Get off the Tim Leary Kool-Aid or start drinking the Jim Jones brand. For the sake of the USA, wake up. Please

By New Gwinnetian

August 2, 2007 2:25 AM | Link to this

I’m new to the county, relatively speaking (3 years). Luckily, I live in an “older” subdivision with an active homeowner’s association, so we’re insulated to an extent.

The biggest problems I see in Gwinnett:

By Michael

August 2, 2007 6:18 AM | Link to this

Eyesores? The countless used car lots with 10 to 15 cars. The Singleton/Norcross Tucker Road area is fairly urban — we aren’t in the country anymore. And Forsyth County schools are great? I don’t think great is an adjective to be attached to any public school system and especially not to that chicken coop county to our north.

By LB

August 2, 2007 7:21 AM | Link to this

I would like to present Davenport Rd. Coming in from Old Norcross Road there are tons of unwelcome cars (cut through) traffic that not only makes it difficult for residents to drive but they break laws. They speed, they do not stop at the 4 way stop at Davenport and Hill and they drive on the wrong side of the road when on the wide part of a curve. Residents are fed up with this unwelcome cut through, which by the way, saves them no time. If I’m ever hit or scraped by one of these wrong side of the road drivers I plan to sue. Joggers are no longer safe on the section of road from Old Norcross to Hill. The cut through people are NOT welcome and they need to wait their turn at the light at Old Norcross and Pleasant Hill. The Old Norcross and Pleasant Hill light is much more generous than the light at Hill and Pleasant Hill. Cut through people, GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!

Further down Davenport near Irene Circle is the famous Rotweiler (spelling???). This dog just mysteriously appears, attacks other dogs then disappears. About the time Animal Control shows up the dog is nowhere to be found. A couple of months later the precious pup appears again and the same story all over again.

Further down Davenport near Buford Hwy. are all the duplexes. There are as many as 6 cars on certain lawns. To add to the cars are tons of men sitting on the cars with their beers. Thats just Davenport Rd.

By LT5000

August 2, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

And Today’s Bienvenidos a Norcross Award:

JOSE GABRIEL GARCIA-GONZALEZ 2003 COLONEY PARK DRIVE NORCROSS GA 30093

Admitted: 8/01/2007 5:41 AM

Charges: CHILD MOLESTATION/AGG CHILD MOLES

Welcome to my country, please go home.

LT5000

By Anonymous

August 2, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Okay! LT5000 is completely obsessed with Hispanics and can’t think about anything else, we get it. Moving on….

By Paul

August 2, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

The best way to see for one’s self who’s actually doing what is to join us in a Recorder’s Court session in Lawrenceville. I won’t give away the ending, but over 95% of the defendants require the taxpayer provided interpreter.

Incidentally, the rest of the Snell Construction story is that they agree wholeheartedly with the new law, and actually appreciate the level “legals only” playing field. Their questions mainly surrounded legal and tactical issues that were easily clarified. Part of the new requirement is site inspection, so it is in fact not merely an honor system as erroneously noted herein.

By Akagi

August 2, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

LT:

No this was 2003 in a middle class neighborhood off Georgia 120 in Lawrenceville. Of the problem houses, across the street there was a rental property that seemed to be occupied by drug dealers—they were white.

Next door another rental—front yard looked like the African Savanna, dead tree in back stood for months and the debri from the dead tree piled in the backyard and never removed—owned by whites in another county, rented by lazy blacks. Down the street—parked truck in drive way filled with trash, car with no tags parked in front. Their “spawn” running around the neighborhood at all hours which included breaking into a house that was foreclosed on and trashing it as well as vandalizing the mailboxes and fences and streets with spray paint—not to mention shooting birds on other people’s property with an air rifle. These people were white—white trash—but white.

A few doors down from them a black family—siding rotted off the side of the house, gutters fallen off the house, trash piled five feet high in front of their garage door and blue tarps on their roof for months.

Oh and should I mention the two young kids riding their bike at dark yelling at the top of their lungs about “f’ing co-co puffs.” They were black.

The only house with Hispanics in that neighborhood that was problematic was next door which was a rental with a number of young Hispanic males who were no doubt illegal laborers and the habit of parking their cars in the yard. And another that let its dog run wild in the streets.

So of all the problems in that neighborhood it was usually caused either by native born blacks or native born whites. The Hispanic family that bought my house maintain it as well as I did as do most of the Hispanic owners in that neighborhood.

You seem to have some issue with Hispanics—fine. But being a lazy bum and letting your yard become overgrown and your house to fall in disrepair is common to every color and nation—this is not only a Hispanic issue.

By Akagi

August 2, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Jonny:

I am not blind to the problems with illegal aliens. But this topic is about eyesores, not the problems of illegal aliens. And when I lived in Gwinnett (and happy every day I am no longer there), in my neighborhood, the people causing the most problems were either black or white and they mostly had one thing in common—they were renters.

Give me a Hispanic owner-occupied house over a lazy white renter anyday.

And FYI, Mexico is now considered a NIC, not a third world country. And technically, the term third world has been dropped in favor of the terms the “developing world” or the “undeveloped world” since the “second world” has ceased to exist.

By Bruce Wilcox

August 2, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Now Paul, if you’re going to run for office at least start being honest. “Snell Construction story is that they agree wholeheartedly with the new law,”, Snell and other companies have warned the county that they are overstepping Federal Law, it really doesn’t sound like a ringing endorsement. I admit I erred, it was not sign one piece of paper, it should have read, sign one affidavit.

“The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 07/25/07”

“Since the company’s July 9 letter, Snell said, the county has told the company it must sign only one affidavit vouching for its own staff, and not subcontractors. That satisfied E.R. Snell’s attorneys, he said. The Gwinnett ordinance applies to all bidding companies, regardless of size. It also subjects current employees, and not just new hires, to the same screening process.”

“Critics, including Snell, have warned that the county is overstepping federal law with those requirements.”

Maybe someone should lay off the tea for awhile.

By Woody Bass

August 2, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

New Gwinnettian: Thank you. Thats exactly what I want others to be not only saying.. but doing.

For some reason (as I will point out next week)… its the doing part that so many have a problem with.

By Jonny

August 2, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Akagi,

Nice semantics about third world vs. new terms designed by pinheads that desire to change the language to soften the perceived reality. Kinda like when an insurance company isn’t denying coverage, merely denying payment. Newspeak is alive, well, and prospering.

You still miss the point. Generally speaking, the illegals have brought the above listed in vast disproportionate terms.

Moreover, if I were to say “lazy Hispanic renter”, what howls would I read on this page? If you have a problem with white people, come out and say it. Do not shroud it with your code words.

You are still missing the point or your glasses are rose colored.

By Akagi

August 2, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

New Gwinnetian:

Expanding the Interstates and roads doesn’t result in increased development. I-16 seems pretty devoid of development once you get a few miles south of Macon. I don’t see much of a building boom in say areas around Dublin.

My own neighborhood is built off a two-lane state highway that existed when Sherman was here and in the last few years there has been at least four strip malls built along this road and at least that many new neigborhoods. The two-lane road doesn’t seem to stop developers from turning acres of oak trees into developments.

The only thing slowing road construction will do is cause longer commutes. As for your idea of “common-sense mass transit” just what is this?

The Atlanta region goes from Alabama to the suburbs of Athens and from the mountains to the suburbs of Macon. You plan to build lightrail from Cedartown to Statham or from Ball Ground to Barnesville? Or even Canton to Lawrenceville? People simply don’t commute from the outlaying areas to the central core of the city but from outlaying areas to outlaying areas as well.

You can stop road building if you want, but it won’t stop the building. People move out to Hall, Jackson, Barrow, etc because of the quality of life and housing cost issues. If 316 didn’t exist you don’t think people wouldn’t use Highway 8? Roads follow people, not the other way around.

By LT5000

August 2, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Akagi, Bruce and Anonymous are officially blind.

First of all Akagi, this is a Norcross blog, so your anecdotal story of Lawrenceville is moot.

Second, I would like to know when you will be holding the carbon-neutral candlelight vigil for the lovely hispanic child molesters in Norcross?

Undoubtedly they were framed by some evil, lazy white people.

Again, I invite you to check out the Gwinnett County Detention Center site and see who is committing the crimes in Norcross.

I back up my observances with facts, something you three are woefully short on.

LT5000

By Akagi

August 2, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Jonny:

I don’t have any problems with white people. Nor do I have problems with black people or Hispanic people, Asians or anyone else generally speaking.

And dropping the term “third world” is not newspeak. Does it make sense to talk of “three worlds” when one of them doesn’t exist anymore? You might recall the break up of the Soviet Union and the end of the Eastern Bloc.

Even if you wish to use the term “Third World” as inaccurate as it is, Mexico no longer fits that description but rather an NIC (Newly Industralized Country) just as Taiwan and South Korea were in the 1970s and 1980s.

What is the point I am missing. I thought this topic was about eyesores. Should the topic be changed to Eyesores caused by Hispanics?

By Akagi

August 2, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

LT:

I must be unable to read English as well because I thought this blog was about eyesores. I didn’t know it was about Hispanic child abusers.

I don’t plan to hold any vigils for anyone—Hispanic or otherwise.

By LT5000

August 2, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Akagi,

I guess you don’t consider trash strewn lawns, multiple cars parked on the grass and gang signs eyesores. Maybe you are under the impression that these help raise property values.

And if Woody can complain about SUV’s being eyesores, then I am well within the topic to mention the barrio the illegals have created in Norcross.

In case you aren’t getting it, the illegals have contributed greatly to the decline of Norcross. If you don’t think so, your critical thinking skills are seriously deficient.

LT5000

By Paul

August 2, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Show of hands - how many believe what they read in the AJC as opposed to having been part of the story therein? Sorry, Bruce, again I haven’t seen you at the meetings, or much of anywhere where these things have been happening. Scuse me - more of the same ahead tonight, no time to waste here.

By Bruce Wilcox

August 2, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

So I take it you’re saying that Ben Smith and the AJC are reporting falsehoods? Paul even in Snell’s Letter to the Editor he says the same, I guess he wasn’t invited to Lorraines for tea either. Run along Paul.

By LT4999

August 2, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

This here’s LT5000’s daddy. You all need to quit takin’ up fer them messicans. He’s a good boy who done wants them dirty messicans to clean up is all. Shoot, I even seen him hide a vidja called “Latin Honeys, Vol. 3” in his sock drawer the other day. And fer sum reason, he wouldn’t get up and help me when I asked him. Face was red and he was sweatin, but I didn’t see him doin’ any work. Who know with these crazy kids.

By Woody Bass

August 2, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Huh? When did I complain about SUV’s?

By Anonymous

August 2, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

I have pointed out a fact, LT. I pointed out that you’re incapable of discussing anything EXCEPT illegals, regardless of the topic. And so far, it looks like that’s true.

By LT5000

August 2, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

My bad on the SUV’s. It was Woodie, not Woody.

And Dad (LT4999), I think you forgot to take your Alzheimer’s meds again. The video was “Gordita’s #9”. You get that colostomy bag changed yet?

Anonymous, I know you love to stick up for illegals because you can buy their “services” at a cheap price on Ponce de Leon, but you have to consider the downside of their trashy ways.

LT5000

By Bruce Wilcox

August 2, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

Paul you love to portray yourself as the ulimate insider, the wheeler and dealer, the man that hangs with the commissioners. The man in the know, even more than Ben Smith or the AJC. The man who knows who attends meetings and those who do not, the man that know works works around their neighborhood and those who don’t, he knows who is good or bad, Gwinnetts own Santa if you will.

Do you recall a letter to the editor you wrote on 6/24/07 where you tore apart the new QOF unit? I mean you blasted them, took it apart piece by piece, a really hard hitting letter.

Later the very same day in a Rick Badie column asking if Lorraine Green should run for Chairman and after being invited over to Lorraines for an afternoon tea everything is fine? In a matter of hours and a nice tea, birds sing, children safely play again and the world is back in balance.

The two different opinions in one day confuses me, did you miss a meeting? If you had such serious concerns that forced you to write a letter to the editor, why didn’t you just call one of the commissioners you hang with? You say the AJC and Ben Smith don’t know as much as you, but you give us two different stories in one day, looks like we can not believe anyone.

Here is a hint for you Paul, you’re not the only one working to better Gwinnett. We all know you work hard on it, probably more than most of us, but please stop telling us. I do not feel I have to check in with you, nor does anyone else, to let you know what we’re doing. Lay off the I or me, try using we, it will get you a lot more co-operation.

One more thing, we have never been introduced, you said you looked up my address once, so unless you hide in my bushes, I do not know how you could know who I am or what I do.

By LT5000

August 3, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Today’s Turn Norcross Into Mexico City Awards:

EVER CRUZ RAMIREZ GUEVARA 1389 SILVER LAKE DRIVE NORCROSS GA 30093

Admitted: 8/02/2007 11:04 AM

Charges: GIVING FALSE NAME OR INFORMATION FENCES AND WALLS INT DRIVEWAY GRASS/WEED JUNK VEHICLES MAINTANCE OUTDOOR STORAGE PREVENT EXCESS ACCUMULATION OF REFUSE TALL GRASS WEEDS TREE DEBRIS

LUIS JONATHAN SANCHEZ-CEBALLOS 2729 LEA HILLS DRIVE NORCROSS GA 30093

Admitted: 8/02/2007 2:54 PM

Charges: NO DRIVERS LICENSE PARKING ON GRASS

I tell you it’s those damn white people turning Norcross into a barrio of Mexico City.

By Celynn

August 3, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

A photo of the Blade recycling center on the corner of Brook Hollow Parkway and Mitchell Road in Norcross should be in the dictionary under “eyesore.” The building and the grounds are equally decrepit. Weedy, messy, rundown, and packed with cars and trucks. It’s also an earsore, if such a thing exists — the night shift apparently has contests to see who can bang and slam the most metal. It’s audible from our home in a subdivision down the street, even with windows closed and a/c or furnace running. It wins the triple crown of blight because during the day, big trucks stop right on the street in the traffic lane, blocking traffic in both lanes of Mitchell Road, while the drivers await their turn to get into the driveway of the center. A guy wearing a “security” uniform stands in the street. He doesn’t make traffic move a bit more smoothly, since it is impossible to move at all until the big truck gets out of the street. I guess he’s there to offer gullible delayed drivers some hope of moving again. Oh, did I mention that it is smack-dab in the middle of the Gwinnett Community Improvement District?

By Bruce Wilcox

August 3, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Celynn I agree, but I think Blade was there when that area was still considered the boonies. Higher fences and a paved lot may help the looks but I think you’re stuck with the noise.

ICE could make a killing on any Saturday morning when the pay checks must be handed out.

By Jon Kelley

August 3, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

My candidate for Gwinnett’s Biggest Eyesore is the Woody Bass picture in the Gwinnett News Section of the AJC

By Chuck

August 3, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Looks like Bruce’s ego driven wheels have rusted in place again - yup, we “got it” too that “YKW” was indeed a problem but was quickly fixed - DUH? Keep up the great work guys!

By Bruce Wilcox

August 3, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

“YKW”?

By Akagi

August 3, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

LT:

Yes I consider trash strewn lawns, cars (and other things) parked on the grass and gang signs eyesores. I also think blue tarps on roofs that stay for months, falled gutters, rotten siding, trash filled pickup trucks, trash piled feet high in front of the garage door, a backyard that if you took a picture of it and laid it side by side with a picture from the Oconee National Forest you would be uable to tell which was which eyesores too.

But wait—these were all done by whites and blacks. Again, LT, this is not an illegal problem or a Hispanic problem as much as you would like to paint it as one.

Many areas of Clayton County resemeble what you describe and the ones doing it there are native born, legal, blacks. Been down Tara Blvd. in the past few years..how about some of the low income neighborhoods in Riverdale? So, LT, what is your point?

Oh I know. Hispanics are the root of all evil. Why didn’t you just post that and save us all a bunch of time.

By LT5000

August 3, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Akagi,

Once again, back up your assertions with facts. I do. I don’t believe your anecdotal stories. My postings are straight from the Gwinnett County Detention Center.

Oh yeah half wit, this is a Norcross Blog, not a Lawrenceville, Riverdale or Lithonia Blog. Try and get that through your head. Hint: It’s in your culo.

LT5000

By Woody Bass

August 3, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

DING! Theres the other comment I expected! Geesh… it took 4 days longer than I thought it would.

Also, Ive had a few people tell me about the recycling center… Im gonna try to drive by this weekend and have a look. From what I have been told it should definitly be on the list.

By homeowner

August 4, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter who lives in these houses, it matters who owns the houses and the commercial eyesores. Go after the owners. They are the ones who are ultimately responsible. Once you’ve inconvenienced these property owners enough, i.e., they’re forced to come out to clean up, take time off from work to appear at a hearing, etc., and when they’ve accumulated enough fines, they’ll sell out. It has happened in our n’hood, not in Gwinnett. Good luck.

By Does This Qualify

August 4, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Certain times of the day, especially from around 7:00 to 10:00 there is a sweet smell in the air that makes many people’s eyes water. I live in the Pleasant Hill area near the Walmart eyesore and the smell really kicks up allergies. I learned that a scented candle making company was slapped on the wrists a couple of years back for these smells but now they are back. For some, the smell is pleasant, for others it hurts their eyes and makes it hard to breathe because many people are allergic. I have no idea where this candle company is or the name of it but if people are experiencing physical symptoms them it’s an assault with a deadly weapon and needs to be addressed. The Walmart supercenter also needs to go away. It’s like an ant hill that creates tons of traffic. I resent all the vacant buildings but I wouldn’t mind seeing this Walmart vacated.

By Celynn

August 4, 2007 10:05 PM | Link to this

To “Does this qualify” I share your disgust over the Walmart SuperCenter on Pleasant Hill Road. Shorty Howell Park used to be a really quiet, relaxing spot. Now the SuperCenter is right across the street. Who wants to go for a stroll with that for a view? There’s still some solitude to be found at the back of the park, but with all the homes next to it now for sale, who knows what may pop up in their place? We boycott Walmart for ruining yet another green space, building yet another SuperCenter and leaving yet another empty bigbox just a few miles down Pleasant Hill. It won’t make a bit of difference to Walmart, though. As much as people complain, they still shop there. At least I can say that my family doesn’t.

By Al

August 6, 2007 7:27 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Celynn for the insight to Blade recycling and their night shift noise contest. I think now I may finally have solved the mystery of who is responsible for all that loud banging late-late at night. I live not too far from there and I’ve been awakened by a loud banging sound on several occasions, but have never been able to pinpoint the source (not really in the mood to go searching at such a late hour…all I know is that it comes from a distance but it’s still too loud…it sounds similar to a garbage truck picking up a large metal dumpster and repeatedly slamming it down on the pavement). I wonder why the noise ordinance does not apply to them? Eyesore and earsore indeed.

By Celynn

August 6, 2007 8:00 AM | Link to this

I need to correct a typo. I typed “Blade” instead of “Blaze.” Want to give discredit where discredit is due. It’s the Blaze recycling center. And Al, you describe the sound perfectly. In fact, that could be what’s happening during a boring night shift. I’m told the recycling center was there before some of the houses and apartments around it, though our subdivision is about 20 years old, so maybe it’s received a waiver from the noise ordinance. If the unsightliness and the traffic-blocking could be stopped, I’d be happy or at least happier. Two out of three is better than nothing. Of course, if it were in the City of Norcross and not in unincorporated Norcross three measly miles from City Hall, I’ll bet there’d be much less noise at night. The City of Norcross wants to be an island unto itself; as long as the problems stay just outside of city limits, they aren’t going to worry much.