Norcross.Talk

By DB

July 2, 2007 1:52 AM | Link to this

Lawrenceville is huge so of course it would have more crime. I live by Tribble Mill Park in Lawrenceville and there’s O crime and million dollar homes.

Norcross is also large - with 2 parts (Jimmy Carter and the other)

This blog makes no sense

By Anonymous

July 2, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

It’s long been known that people’s “sense of security” has little connection to actual risk probabilities. We panic over the thought of another terrorist attack, for example, even though death in a car accident is FAR more likely.

People are seldom aware of the true crime rate in their area, or across the nation… why else would polls regularly show that “the crime rate is increasing” over a period when it in fact has dropped? The only thing people know about the crime rate is

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By charliejoe

July 2, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this

Woody,

Why don’t you take the next step and divide the number of crimes by the population? Then you could give us a per-capita rate of crime. Of course, you would have to estimate the population quite a bit, as there are so very, very many illegal aliens not on the population roles living 15 to a house. Haha! You didn’t think you’d get more than a few comments before illegal aliens were brought up, did you? Got ya! Now, once again, alien talk has taken over the comments like they themselves are attempting to take over the country!

By LT5000

July 2, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

It would have been better if Woody would have compared Norcross 5 years ago to Norcross today.

*Norcross’s property crime levels tend to be higher than Georgia’s average level. *

The same data shows violent crime levels in Norcross tend to be much higher than Georgia’s average level.

http://www.idcide.com/citydata/ga/norcross.htm

I wonder what these statistics could possibly correlate to?

Does Woody feel safe now?

By charliejoe

July 2, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Notice on the demographics in LT’s post the bulge of 20 to 40 year old males (they highly outnumber women). Gee, I wonder where a huge influx of young males could have come from…

By A Villager

July 2, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

You are absolutelly correct Woody. It’s all about perception!

By WTF?

July 2, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

I think some of it is perception. I live in an area that is perceived to be a war zone but have never the victim of any type crime there. But most folks go by what they see on the news or papers & apply blanket generalizations.

Bottom line imho is no place is safe anymore. If you fool yourself into believing it is, you’re sure to get a wake up call eventually.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 2, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

They usually kill within their social, economic and ethnic group, unless there is some big rise in the WASP’s group, there should be no reason to panic. Right boys?

By LT5000

July 2, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Brucie,

Apparently, you think DUI drivers choose their victims.

Life is hard. It’s even harder if you are stupid.

LT5000

By charliejoe

July 2, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

WTF,WTF…you seem to be of the fatalist school of thought. Hey, everywhere is equal, it’s all perception. You’re in just as much danger in Habersham County as in SW Atlanta. You should take the same precautions in both places. And WTF, even in the worst places, the percent of population that is a victim of violent crime is in the low single digit percentages, so even over decades, you aren’t exactly guaranteed to be a victim, right? But ask the insurance companies (whose business is predicated on properly predicting crime, etc…) and you’ll find a logical reason why it’s more expensive for life insurance, car insurance, etc. in high crime areas.
P.S. Bruce: Everyone has to clean up after criminals, no matter the victim. And I don’t see a lot of graffiti and shi77ty diapers in parking lots left by WASPs, either. I’m personally more concerned with the much more prevalent, widespread property crimes and quality of life crimes…mostly because they are SO prevalent. I can’t for more than five minutes in Gainesville without seeing numerous graffiti-covered walls and stop signs, along with dilapidated boarding houses with 4 cars in the yard. It must be nice to apparently live in a gated or upscale community where you can argue for the poor illegals without actually having them affect your life. Oh well, other than to do your yardwork and clean your house. I’m sure you care so much about them that you’ll break federal law by hiring them yourselves, right? And if not, why should you tolerate others’ breaking the law? Spend some time in the barrios of Gwinnett, Hall County, etc., then see if your tune changes at all. I am going to assume you just don’t know how bad it really is in many, many areas. The third world immigrants have arrived and managed to nearly perfectly recreate the crime and squallor they were allegedly trying to escape, only now they also have an F250 parked in the yard instead of a burro.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 2, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

charliejoe our gates must have been stolen, have not seen a gate on Dickens since I moved here in 93’. My house was broken into that same year, no illegals around then to blame. No problems around here and this is in the middle of the supposed hood. I guess some just need to point fingers, it easier than doing anything to address the problem.

By charliejoe

July 2, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Bruce. I think they stole your eyeglasses as well as your testicles.

You don’t need to look far for Singleton Rd. A pipeline of illegal activity.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 2, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Not in my neighbor, I should know I live here. Both you and LT have become boring with the childish insults when proven wrong, school can not come soon enough for the two of you.

By LT5000

July 2, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Brucie.

When have I been proven wrong? Never.

As for your neck of the woods, I would check the Gwinnett County Detention Center. A lot of crime in your area.

You just need to open your eyes. Or pull your head out of you a*.

LT5000

By charliejoe

July 2, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Bruce,

I don’t go the childish name-calling route. LT used my screen name like the cowardly sonofabtch he is.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 2, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

charliejoe it didn’t sound like you, lt is just a school kid clearly without friends trying to play grown-up.

By LT5000

July 2, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Hey charliejoe, don’t drag me into you and Brucie’s lover’s spat.

Has the illegal immigrant issue ripped you two apart? You really should seek couples therapy.

Once again, Brucie is oblivious to the outside world. Actually, I think he prefers to keep his eyes shut. Dicken’s road isn’t too far from Singleton.

I live only a few miles away from him. Within the past month there have been two shooting, a bank robbery and multiple drug arrests within the past month.

Bruce is duplicitous when he claims there is no crime in his area because HE didn’t see it. He just doesn’t want to see it.

Good luck to you and charliejoe. You were such a cute couple.

LT5000

By charliejoe

July 2, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

Bruce,

Have you ever seen anyone that obsessed with homosexuality that wasn’t, in fact, a latent homosexual himself? I mean, come on…methinks the lady (LT) doth protest too much. He’d be a lot less high-strung if he just gave into his secret innermost desires and had him a little secret fling with a Piedmont Park boy, don’t you think? Okay, that’s the last joke I’ll make in this vein because I don’t want to insult gay people. Except LT.

By LT5000

July 2, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

charlie-blow,

Does that mean I want to be an illegal immigrant too?

LT5000

By charliejoe

July 2, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Okay, I know I said that was the last one, but just one more: No, you don’t want to be an illegal immigrant, you want an illegal immigrant to be (in) you :) Don’t you! Admit it!!!

By LT5000

July 2, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Ouch charliejoe.

Rich Little you ain’t.

More like Louie Anderson, except less funny.

LT5000

By Woody Bass

July 2, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

Soooo going to stay outta this little spat.

By LT5000

July 2, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

woody,

The basic take home is that certain places in Gwinnett are safer than others. However, Norcross has about 3X the state average of property and violent crimes.

I would love the see the statistics for the last 5 to 7 years. Just a cursory glance of the statistics indicates a rapid rise in crime.

This can only be correlated to one thing. And I think we all know what it is.

LT5000

By Wendell Wentz

July 3, 2007 7:44 AM | Link to this

It is nigh time the General Assembly of Georgia passed a good law as they have done in the case of “Doc’s Law.” Whoever heard of a principal wanting to fire a teacher for doing what they should be doing? We have too many School Boards just like that one — they don’t think. Schools deserve better School Boards and Principals all over this land. Amen!!!!

By Wendell Wentz

July 3, 2007 7:44 AM | Link to this

It is nigh time the General Assembly of Georgia passed a good law as they have done in the case of “Doc’s Law.” Whoever heard of a principal wanting to fire a teacher for doing what they should be doing? We have too many School Boards just like that one — they don’t think. Schools deserve better School Boards and Principals all over this land. Amen!!!!

By Woody Bass

July 3, 2007 7:47 AM | Link to this

LT5000 - There is no doubting that Norcross has a problem and the area absolutely needs to deal with it (and they are). You’ll get no argument from me on that. However, there are many who believe that they are safer where they live (if they are outside Norcross). I dont believe that is necessarily true.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 3, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Woody, I invite you to visit my neighbor, bring a Quality of Life officer with you, then you could point out the dangers to me. This bs blanket statement shows the same ignorance displayed by LT. There are many neighborhoods where people still care and take care of them. Even as a guest columnist you should know the facts vefore shooting your mouth off.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 3, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Woody, I invite you to visit my neighbor, bring a Quality of Life officer with you, then you could point out the dangers to me. This bs blanket statement shows the same ignorance displayed by LT. There are many neighborhoods where people still care and take care of them. Even as a guest columnist you should know the facts vefore shooting your mouth off.

By LT5000

July 3, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Brucie,

Norcross is sliding downhill, but don’t think your area is safe. A quick check of the Gwinnett County Detention Center, shows lots of crime in your area.

Just because nobody has broken into your doublewide trailer in the past 10 years doesn’t mean there isn’t any danger.

As for ignorance, you have displayed it again and again in these blogs. Your observations are born of wishful thinking and barren of facts.

Your predictions are laugable, remember how the Immigration Bill was going to pass?

Sometime it’s better to keep your mouth shut, than to open it and show the world what a fool you are.

Life is hard, it’s even harder when you are stupid.

LT5000

By LT5000

July 3, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

From Scanngwinnett:

While they were some changes, for the most part the targets of homicides that have occurred since then are much the same. We looked at a time period from December of 2006 until February of 2007, in which 57 homicides were reported. Of those reported homicides, the most common victim was once again a Hispanic male.

*But while Hispanic males recorded the highest number again, African-American males held a very close second. The average age of the victim changed a bit, increasing from the mid-twenties last year to approximately thirty-one this year. *

Last year, the average death occurred as a consequence of a felony crime being committed, such as a drug deal, robbery related, or home invasion type incident. In other words, the deaths occurred based on a sudden act of violence that had been precipitated by an illegal act. While many of the cases this year followed that trait, another classification came into view that clearly has worked its way into a primary motive for these cases. **

Brucie??? Just some hard working people coming here for a better life right??

Maybe your Rose colored glasses need cleaning.

http://www.scangwinnett.com/LibraryArticle266.html

By woodie

July 3, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

I’ve been saying this for the past five years. If you think Gwinnett is safe, you aren’t paying attention. There is a lot of ill people cruising the streets of Gwinnett looking for opportunities to ruin your day. The real problem here is how easily they justify their hatred and how their disease spreads so fast.

By LT5000

July 3, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Woodie,

Huh?

The real problem is that there is minimal enforcement of the laws. Primarily, Immigration laws.

I am all for the QOL unit utilizing a “broken windows” program, but it seems the unit is only reactionary, nothing is proactive.

They sit around and wait for citizens to call in the numerous cars, multi-families and trash storage, instead of handing out citations as they cruise by.

I just hope the laws put forth on July 1st will actually start to clean up this area.

I have a mortgage, I’m stuck here for a long while.

LT5000

By Bruce Wilcox

July 3, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Is it a Southern thing to be paranoid and live in fear?

By JJ

July 3, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

I am as safe as safe can be in my little tight-knit neighborhood. Half of my neighbors don’t even lock their doors.

I have two huge dogs, with vicious barks, so don’t even try to break into my house. They will get you before I do with the gun. And yes, this individual knows how to use a gun!!!!! And I’m not at all afraid to either. You make the mistake of coming into my house, you will get hurt. However, I will not live my life in fear of the “What if’s”. These gangbangers don’t scare me. They are the cowards, not me!!!!!

By KRP2

July 3, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

To quote Woody: “I, for one, have always thought that your sense of security is not determined by geographic location but by how safe you perceive yourself to be.

Do you agree?”

I agree. Your sense of security is not strictly a factor of location, in most cases, there are exceptions.

2 people were shot not far from my home Friday at the IHOP on Pleasant Hill. Brian Nichols was nabbed right around the corner from where I live; friends of ours have been burglarized twice in the last couple of years.

I do not live in fear. I feel safe in my home and walking in my neighborhood. I do not find the people I encounter threatening. Could something happen today or tomorrow to change this. Sure, and I’ll deal with that then, until then I will be alert, but not alarmed.

By publius

July 3, 2007 7:49 PM | Link to this

By next year, I predict Snellville will be number one in all Gwinnett crime statistics.

By Rhonda

July 3, 2007 9:29 PM | Link to this

Pricipals forcing teachers to change grades is not uncommon. It is almost ordinary in high school with athletes but it even goes back to elementary school in the grades with high stakes testing. In the system I was in last year a 4th grade teacher was told to change an F to a B. When she would not, the principal did so and the teacher was terminated for administration’s favorite trick, insubordination. {Meaning the teacher gets in trouble for doing right or simply for not kissing butt.)

Meanwhile, the principal was promoted even though she did not have the number of years she needed as a principal to attain a central office position.

At another school in the same system a teacher who had only a Bachelor’s degree and was not even a real teacher—-she was alternately certified—-was made the “lead” over a program, a semi-supervisory position, that placed her ina position to boss 2 teachers with Master’s degrees and over 20 years of experience each. A coordinator tried to soothe the situation by claiming she was only “acting lead”, but the fact was that she had immense power and abused it well. The principal informed me that I was not to complain about her for any reason, that to do so was “character assassination”. She was verbally abusive to students and staff and instructed the other teachers so incorrectly on some very important paperwork that we had to spend multiple hours of our own time redoing it. When only her victims were around we referred to her as “God Junior”, “The Diva”, and by more profane terms. But we could not tell the principal about her and keep our jobs.

Disrespect and lack of control is a primary reason why nearly 50% of teachers leave the field within 5 years. And I don’t mean disrespect by students. That is not important and is controllable if you have a supportive principal. I mean administrators who do not stand behind their good teachers.

Schools are extremely political institutions. Often, power and position depends on who you know, not what you know. A few years ago there was a special education teacher who beat her handicapped students (they could not talk), was a racist and could not write a grammatical sentence. But she stayed with the system until she decided to retire. How? Her first cousin was an assistant superintendent and her husband an assistant principal. Meanwhile those of us who were the wrong race, did not go to the right college or did not have relatives in high places were weeded out.

America will not have quality schools until teachers are respected by the administration and have control over the curriculum, testing, equipment and discipline. Then the bad ones will fall by the wayside because they realize the job is too much for them and the good ones will make our schools the best they can be.

By Bruce Wilcox

July 3, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this

America will not have quality schools until they get rid of local school boards.

By Valerie

July 5, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Woody:

I live near the historic downtown Lawrenceville area and although I feel safe, I am still cautious when I’m out at night and when I’m in a parking lot at anytime of day. I’m also this way in my small native hometown in rural Georgia. I don’t care where I am, I’m always cautious.

However, I do want to say that downtown Lawrenceville is beefing up security with their revitalization that is underway. I always see multiple cops as I’m shopping and out with my kids. I want to thank the new Mayor Milsaps for finally giving east Lawrenceville some attention. That area is already looking better.

By Last American

July 5, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

One should always be aware of their safety. My neighbor across the street had her car stolen in the morning - right out of her driveway. Also, I agree with many of the comments that our safety has become more dangereous with all the ILLEGALS in our country. Even when I am in my house, every door and window is locked. When in my car -I never open my window, doors are always locked. When approaching my house - I always look around to see if anything looks suspicious. No one is safe in Gwinnett County. Has anyone noticed that they are putting in sidewalks along Brook Hollow Parkway. Look who the county hired to do the Job. What a surprise.

By Taylor

July 6, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

People,

Crime is EVERYWHERE….even in what you may perceive as UTOPIA.

By LB

July 9, 2007 8:01 AM | Link to this

A couple of points I have pondered are:

Opinions welcome.

By LB

July 9, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Correction to my last statement. It should read hispanic girls who are expecting babies that are in middle school and high school.

By JL

July 9, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Are those crime stats for the city of Norcross or the area people generally called Norcross? Norcross generally ends at the QT on Jimmy Carter. Want to change Norcross’ perception? Give the area on the other side of I-85 another name. I nominate Gwinnett Village.

By harold

July 10, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Does location or perception determine how safe Harold feels?

Neither.

The Homeland Security alert level determines how secure Harold feels.

Geez!

Harold feels yellowly secure except when flying and then he feels orangely secure.

Orange you glad Harold didn’t say banana?

By Woody Bass

July 10, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this

JL - Oh I love it when people try to play that card.

What about all the area along Buford Hwy? Thats within the city limits and a large part of the Gwinnett Village redevelopment plans. The Gwinnett Village extends well into the city of Norcross, right up to Buford Hwy by the cities request. Its in the cities best interest, as I pointed out last year, to be very involved and supportive of the GV efforts.